Oh dear lord.......

Yahoo! News UK & Ireland - Latest World News & UK News Headlines (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/norwich-star-wars-club--doctor-who-fans-trouble-star-wars-fans-police-called-160210697.html#mCXa1r5)

LMAO!!!

he had been planning on shagging her
Adric and Nyssa?? never going to happen, he had no chance
Turlough and Nysssa maybe.

but Tegan probably had the best chance with her.....


excuse me, I'll be in the zero room!

Adric and Nyssa?? never going to happen, he had no chance
Turlough and Nysssa maybe.

but Tegan probably had the best chance with her.....


excuse me, I'll be in the zero room!
...again!!!

They did. Andrew Sachs played Adric in The Boy that Time Forgot.....

Yeah, but that doesn't really count for what I was suggesting. That story was a hatchet job, anyway.

---------- Post added at 03:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:36 PM ----------



PS anyone else heard the rumour the BBC America Bluray leak is a nonsense and created by BBC offices to create hype? If so, it's worked brilliantly...

I'd be pretty annoyed if I was the head of BBC America Distribution arm, then, for making my department look so ridiculously unprofessional.

I met Mat Waterhouse at memorabilia in Birmingham UK last year, he may not be the best companion ever but as a person he was very friendly and approachable. I'm always hoping that he will do a LC audio someday.

Lalla's said very recently that she has no problem with working with Tom.
(Although she seemed less keen to renew her acquaintance with Matthew)

I suspect that LC are understandably scared that asking him might make him uncomfortable. Especially after how long it took him to agree to record with them in the first place.

Thing is--do they even have to be in the same room? They can all just record their dialog separately and be done with it.

I met Colin Baker once. He was in a show where he, McCoy, and Katy Manning just talked about Doctor Who, and a friend and I ran into him on the street as we were going to dinner. I pointed him out to my friend, who promptly went up and introduced himself to CB. Meanwhile, I was embarrassed (I always am nervous around famous people; I once forgot my name at a Terry Pratchett signing), so tried to hide behind my friend - unsuccessfully, since my friend is very thin and I am very fat. But CB was very nice - he talked to us for a minute or so, and later on he recognised us during the post-show autograph session.

My brush with Doctors couldn't have been more sweeter than it was..... i was at a convention where Pat was and he stepped out back to have a bit of a breather and so had i... we had a great chat and then when i came up to the table to get a signing he greeted me as an old friend....

my second brush was riding a train in OZ cross country.... and i guess Jon was doing a Scaredrow tour down there... and i was seated in one of the dining cars... and this guy sat down next to me and i did a triple take and almost lost it.... he said is this seat taken...? i was like "OMG it's you!" and he responded "( i kid you not) "what were you expecting ..all teeth and curls?"

Sat with him for hours just chatting.....


I am going to die happy

Den of Geek thinks this has the potential to be the best finale ever. No pressure then...

No spoilers in review btw

Doctor Who: The Name Of The Doctor spoiler-free thoughts | Den of Geek (http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/25649/doctor-who-the-name-of-the-doctor-spoiler-free-thoughts)



PS anyone else heard the rumour the BBC America Bluray leak is a nonsense and created by BBC offices to create hype? If so, it's worked brilliantly...

UNTEMPERED*SCHISM (http://untempered-schism-insta.tumblr.com/post/50300883364/this-is-not-a-spoiler-proof-the-doctor-who-series)

Nothing spoilery there other than what the discs and the box look like :D I'm sure is genuine

I hate to ask, but you weren't bitten by Mary Whitehouse, were you? Because if you were... it may already be too late.

For my money, Sylvester sounds exactly the same as ever. Listening to him and to Sophie, you'd think it was still 1988.

Well, I turn 39 years of age today and I firmly wish it were still 1988!

Well, I turn 39 years of age today and I firmly wish it were still 1988!

Sounds like someone loves neon clothes. Good news, they seem to be coming back. And pretty soon we can look forward to pinch-rolled pants again!

and skinny leather ties?

I come from Norwich and feel a bit devastated that I missed all the fun, anyway now for something a bit different a 3 min prequel ahead of this sat's finale RWQ


<!--www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtaIpkjF6Ss-->

Good show! He's a wonderful chap :)

... i can say that having met him once makes me the absolute authority, right? *snerk*

I met him twice - once at TARDIS 21 in Chicago and again here in Austin. The first time, I got a pic with him, he reached up and pointed at the camera just as the pic was taken hiding his face. He was sweet enough to reshoot the pic here in Austin. One of the days, I showed up on an insanely colored outfit and he came over, gave me a huge hug and said "My dear, you've topped me." I gave him a look. "Sorry, I'm color-blind. Is it bad?" He looked SO upset because he thought he'd upset me. I gave him a huge grin. "We had lots of fun picking out this get up." He and Jon P. teased me about it the rest of the weekend.

and skinny leather ties?

I'm old enough to remember when skinny piano ties were considered cool ...

... and I'm ashamed to admit that I actually had one :(

I met him twice - once at TARDIS 21 in Chicago and again here in Austin. The first time, I got a pic with him, he reached up and pointed at the camera just as the pic was taken hiding his face. He was sweet enough to reshoot the pic here in Austin. One of the days, I showed up on an insanely colored outfit and he came over, gave me a huge hug and said "My dear, you've topped me." I gave him a look. "Sorry, I'm color-blind. Is it bad?" He looked SO upset because he thought he'd upset me. I gave him a huge grin. "We had lots of fun picking out this get up." He and Jon P. teased me about it the rest of the weekend.
What a great story. I hope he'll like the Dalek t-shirt I plan on wearing to the con this weekend. It means a lot to me because it was one of my first Doctor Who-themed tees I ever got. Plus, it was a Christmas gift from my older brother's in-laws, who know I'm a big Whovian. :)

just cheekily reposting a request i made a few pages back in the vague hope that the lack of success was due to posting timezones or something rather than an inability to fulfill it..

Hello all, I've just recently begun vociferously devouring the NSA audiobooks, kind people here have helped me out with some and directed me to a toe-rent with nearly all of them, thank you all very much :)
.. I'm still hunting for a few though, particularly Torrowed Bime, Laradox Post and Honly Uman (i was going to come up with exciting cryptic titles but then trying to think of synonyms for laradox post began to grind me down..) If anybody has these and is willing to share I'd be delighted, it's possible they're somewhere back up the other end of the thread, I've looked but between cryptic titles, dead links and nearly 500 pages of hilarious geekery they would be easy to miss..
Cheers

just cheekily reposting a request i made a few pages back in the vague hope that the lack of success was due to posting timezones or something rather than an inability to fulfill it..

Hello all, I've just recently begun vociferously devouring the NSA audiobooks, kind people here have helped me out with some and directed me to a toe-rent with nearly all of them, thank you all very much :)
.. I'm still hunting for a few though, particularly Torrowed Bime, Laradox Post and Honly Uman (i was going to come up with exciting cryptic titles but then trying to think of synonyms for laradox post began to grind me down..) If anybody has these and is willing to share I'd be delighted, it's possible they're somewhere back up the other end of the thread, I've looked but between cryptic titles, dead links and nearly 500 pages of hilarious geekery they would be easy to miss..
Cheers

RWQ for Honly Uman. <http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?lhr5ec153n255t5 ---that's part 1
<http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?3k7le13kbn4tay4 ---that's part 2
btw, it's OVER FIVE HUNDRED pages now :D

about the new monsters...

so we have all seen the trailers and we know we are going to meet what the muffett has named "the Whisper men"

Is it just me or are they basically just the opposite of the silence/silents (never sure which that is)

no mouth, big eyes and suits => scary-toothy-mouth, no eyes and top hats

and if the have some ability which depends on whether you look at them......

about the new monsters...

so we have all seen the trailers and we know we are going to meet what the muffett has named "the Whisper men"

Is it just me or are they basically just the opposite of the silence/silents (never sure which that is)

no mouth, big eyes and suits => scary-toothy-mouth, no eyes and top hats

and if the have some ability which depends on whether you look at them......

Might be just you, or it MIGHT be a very good guess... Let's wait and see...

I'll admit, with the amount of good reviews this one's getting, I'm actually feeling quite excited now!

about the new monsters...

so we have all seen the trailers and we know we are going to meet what the muffett has named "the Whisper men"

Is it just me or are they basically just the opposite of the silence/silents (never sure which that is)

no mouth, big eyes and suits => scary-toothy-mouth, no eyes and top hats

and if the have some ability which depends on whether you look at them......

The first time I saw them I said to my son 'Oh look they're just like The Trickster from Sarah Jane Adventures' and I still maintain that.

The Trickster - Tardis Data Core, the Doctor Who Wiki (http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Trickster)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=514331165267185&set=a.292114147488889.77412.292111747489129&type=1&theater

Here's a groovy eleven medics cartoon picture

Might be just you, or it MIGHT be a very good guess... Let's wait and see...

I'll admit, with the amount of good reviews this one's getting, I'm actually feeling quite excited now!

having managed to avoid most reviews and and spoilers I am too.
hopes springs eternal...


The first time I saw them I said to my son 'Oh look they're just like The Trickster from Sarah Jane Adventures' and I still maintain that.

The Trickster - Tardis Data Core, the Doctor Who Wiki (http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Trickster)

good point, now if they were going to suggest that they were all related somehow...

I seem to remember references to "the Tricksters Brigade" and "the Pantheon of Chaos"...if they were linked together it could provide some good fun!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=514331165267185&set=a.292114147488889.77412.292111747489129&type=1&theater

Here's a groovy eleven medics cartoon picture

Nice artwork.
I'm really looking forward to the finale!

just so everyone knows... mickey/Rickey/noel is in the Trek Movie as well this weekend

just so everyone knows... mickey/Rickey/noel is in the Trek Movie as well this weekend
I thought I recognised him.

just so everyone knows... mickey/Rickey/noel is in the Trek Movie as well this weekend

Only briefly, but he's pretty good.

Dunno if it's due to seeing him on a cinema screen as opposed to a TV, but he's put on a shed load of weight!

Only briefly, but he's pretty good.

Dunno if it's due to seeing him on a cinema screen as opposed to a TV, but he's put on a shed load of weight!

I think what's happened is he's aged somewhat (that's how it stared with Larry Fishburne and Christopher Judge, something about their faces getting wider although they don't look bigger in any other way). Speaking of Trek, I just got back from the cinema and for the time being Cumberbatch is the one thing about the movie that's stayed with me, the rest is a bit of a (melodramatic) blur. I really don't see the need for using emotional manipulation every half hour but apparently it sells.

(Btw the Cumberbatch praise is coming from a non-fan of Sherlock - I dropped the series after ep 2 bored me so sincerely I was quite alarmed. Turns out the young fella is rather memorable though. I've decided that when he reaches a more respectable age, he should become a Doctor. Especially in audios. Voice is to die for.)

I think what's happened is he's aged somewhat (that's how it stared with Larry Fishburne and Christopher Judge, something about their faces getting wider although they don't look bigger in any other way). Speaking of Trek, I just got back from the cinema and for the time being Cumberbatch is the one thing about the movie that's stayed with me, the rest is a bit of a (melodramatic) blur. I really don't see the need for using emotional manipulation every half hour but apparently it sells.

(Btw the Cumberbatch praise is coming from a non-fan of Sherlock - I dropped the series after ep 2 bored me so sincerely I was quite alarmed. Turns out the young fella is rather memorable though. I've decided that when he reaches a more respectable age, he should become a Doctor. Especially in audios. Voice is to die for.)

He's great in a Radio 4 comedy series called "Cabin Pressure." I can post some if people would like.

I think what's happened is he's aged somewhat (that's how it stared with Larry Fishburne and Christopher Judge, something about their faces getting wider although they don't look bigger in any other way). Speaking of Trek, I just got back from the cinema and for the time being Cumberbatch is the one thing about the movie that's stayed with me, the rest is a bit of a (melodramatic) blur. I really don't see the need for using emotional manipulation every half hour but apparently it sells.

(Btw the Cumberbatch praise is coming from a non-fan of Sherlock - I dropped the series after ep 2 bored me so sincerely I was quite alarmed. Turns out the young fella is rather memorable though. I've decided that when he reaches a more respectable age, he should become a Doctor. Especially in audios. Voice is to die for.)
Cumberbatch certainly is no stranger to Who. He was in LC's 115th monthly, which commemorated the Medic's 45th anniversary. :)

Surprised that ST:ITD was released in the UK first. I only realised yesterday.

He's great in a Radio 4 comedy series called "Cabin Pressure." I can post some if people would like.

Yes, please - I'd appreciate any audio he's been in. Would like to see how much range he's got.

GoldenTalesGeek, thanks for the tip. Will listen to main range 115 as soon as damn Subsonic allows me access to my LCs. (I'm a few thousand miles away from my hard drives and have to access them remotely, except annoyingly, it /Subsonic/ has started to act like my m4b files don't exist.)

GoldenTalesGeek, thanks for the tip. Will listen to main range 115 as soon as damn Subsonic allows me access to my LCs. (I'm a few thousand miles away from my hard drives and have to access them remotely, except annoyingly, it /Subsonic/ has started to act like my m4b files don't exist.)
You're welcome. It's one of those 4 1-part story anthologies LC likes to release in it's monthlies. Cumberbatch is only in the first 2 of those stories, though.

He's great in a Radio 4 comedy series called "Cabin Pressure." I can post some if people would like.

"Cabin Pressure" is HYSTERICAL. Definitely worth a listen.

Only briefly, but he's pretty good.

Dunno if it's due to seeing him on a cinema screen as opposed to a TV, but he's put on a shed load of weight!

He is bulking up for his next movie, I Am Soldier. He's gone a bit Jason Statham.

"Cabin Pressure" is HYSTERICAL. Definitely worth a listen.

For everyone's information, radioarchive.cc is hosting all 4 series.

about the new monsters...

so we have all seen the trailers and we know we are going to meet what the muffett has named "the Whisper men"

Is it just me or are they basically just the opposite of the silence/silents (never sure which that is)

no mouth, big eyes and suits => scary-toothy-mouth, no eyes and top hats

and if the have some ability which depends on whether you look at them......

i saw those things and The Trickster from SJA immediately popped into my head.

anyone posted the 3 new bbc audios yet? and how do you find out when the audiobooks come out?

Wasn't it pretty much from the horse's mouth that the whispermen were designed to be the total opposite to the Silence?

Deleted

For those that are following it, The Munistur Of Charnce podcast has just release Part Five. (Which reminds me that I really must listen to Part Four!)

Yes, please - I'd appreciate any audio he's been in. Would like to see how much range he's got.

GoldenTalesGeek, thanks for the tip. Will listen to main range 115 as soon as damn Subsonic allows me access to my LCs. (I'm a few thousand miles away from my hard drives and have to access them remotely, except annoyingly, it /Subsonic/ has started to act like my m4b files don't exist.)

Series 1 (RWQ)

<http://www.filefactory.com/file/2wqgusui7t0d/n/Series_1_-_2008_rar>

Well this is very unexpected and - if true - great news for Matt Smith fans.

Matt?s time (lord) isn?t up yet | The Sun |TV Magazine (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/tvmagazine/4930525/Matts-time-lord-isnt-up-yet.html)

^Well, if it was in The Sun, it must be true^

As for the new monsters, we've had the Silence, tomorrow we get the Whispering Men (or whatever) who I suppose are blind. What next season - The Deaf?

He's great in a Radio 4 comedy series called "Cabin Pressure." I can post some if people would like.
Oh do, They are, as Arthur would say, "brilliant!"


Yes, please - I'd appreciate any audio he's been in. Would like to see how much range he's got.
Oh. the boy has range. he along with DT are almost certain to be in the next generation of theatrical knights


Wasn't it pretty much from the horse's mouth that the whispermen were designed to be the total opposite to the Silence?
really? I hadn't heard that. actually thought I was being observant


Well this is very unexpected and - if true - great news for Matt Smith fans.
Matt?s time (lord) isn?t up yet | The Sun |TV Magazine (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/tvmagazine/4930525/Matts-time-lord-isnt-up-yet.html)
Sorry but the Sun is NOT a valid source of news. I'll wait till i see it from the beeb.
Like these....
how much money? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIz6oyOcD4Q
Introducing....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf7_N2PuwlE
they're ba-ack! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqt7e_gVHpM

I asked this several pages back but haven't seen a response to it yet (please excuse me if there was one and I missed it -- its cumbersome scanning 30+ pages to see if there's a response.)

Has anyone posted the latest Bennie collection of stories - B*e*r*n*i*c*e S*u*m*m*e*r*f*i*e*l*d: N*e*w F*r*o*n*t*i*e*r*s ?

Deleted

Yes. I did say if true boys and girls. No need for infrequent CAPS LOCKING of words in sentences...or are you Ian Levine in disguise?!? (Joke. Just messing. Frankie Says Relax)

The Sun is such a bad source of news, it deserves the emphasis :p

Yes. I did say if true boys and girls. No need for infrequent CAPS LOCKING of words in sentences...or are you Ian Levine in disguise?!? (Joke. Just messing. Frankie Says Relax)
perhaps italics in bold would have been more acceptable


The Sun is such a bad source of news, it deserves the emphasis :p
placing "The Sun" and "source of news" in the same sentence without a negation.......not sure that is acceptable either ;)

Since I'm a Yank, can you tell me which of the Brit newspapers are any good? Guardian?

Since I'm a Yank, can you tell me which of the Brit newspapers are any good? Guardian?

tbh, they're all crap

tbh, they're all crap

to be honest, isn't that all of them? I.E. Every country?

to be honest, isn't that all of them? I.E. Every country?

Yeah, but some make better toilet paper than others :D

tbh, they're all crap

The Guardian isn't crap.

Since I'm a Yank, can you tell me which of the Brit newspapers are any good? Guardian?
none of them.


The Guardian isn't crap.
yes, yes it is. and it can't spell

the entire British newpaper industry is an irredeemable cesspit of evil and putrescence. do not read any of them it would only taint your soul.

Since I'm a Yank, can you tell me which of the Brit newspapers are any good? Guardian?

Any of the old broad sheets can be relied upon for news
Telegraph - (very right wing)
Times - (right wing) [paid for online]
Independent - (left wing)
The Guardian - (left wing) [probably has the best online presence imho]

The Mail and The Express are vile mid-market trash (both right wing)
The Sun (right wing) and The Mirror (left wing) are tabloid trash


The Guardian has a unique structure in that it is owned by a trust - so it has a set of rules that oblige it to act in a "moral" manner - and it has no individual owner to interfere with it and inflict his ego on it

So, British tv news less sensational the US tv news, but British news papers are more sensational the US news paper?

So, British tv news less sensational the US tv news, but British news papers are more sensational the US news paper?

ok

10 days ago I had my DW themed birthday party it was fantastic! My custom Bubble Shock soda labels were a hit! My TARDIS cake was amazing and my front door dressed up as the TARDIS, got the attention of my next door neighbor.

---------- Post added at 05:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:27 PM ----------

I going to watch "The Doctor's Name" out at a local restaurant tomorrow night know as The TARDIS Room!

Any of the old broad sheets can be relied upon for news
Telegraph - (very right wing)
Times - (right wing) [paid for online]
Independent - (left wing)
The Guardian - (left wing) [probably has the best online presence imho]

The Mail and The Express are vile mid-market trash (both right wing)
The Sun (right wing) and The Mirror (left wing) are tabloid trash


The Guardian has a unique structure in that it is owned by a trust - so it has a set of rules that oblige it to act in a "moral" manner - and it has no individual owner to interfere with it and inflict his ego on it

Thanks for this, I never know what the slant is when I'm reading a Brit paper. Mostly I get my news from the Beeb and NPR.

10 days ago I had my DW themed birthday party it was fantastic! My custom Bubble Shock soda labels were a hit! My TARDIS cake was amazing and my front door dressed up as the TARDIS, got the attention of my next door neighbor.

---------- Post added at 05:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:27 PM ----------

I going to watch "The Doctor's Name" out at a local restaurant tomorrow night know as The TARDIS Room!

I'm downloading it & taking it to rehearsal tomorrow, we're going to stick it up on the projector XD

I was one of the Liverpool fans lied about and disgraced by the rag known as the S*n. For that reason i dont and never will Buy, Read or touch anything that it has polluted. After spreading Lies about Victims who died at Hillsborough and those who tried to save them (Not the Police/Ambulance or Fire Service, But Supporters). They then proclamed their lies as the truth. Nearly 10 years later they asked Liverpool supporters to lift our boycott, in exchange for them running a story finaly admitting they had lied.
When we refused to lift our boycott they dicided not to run a story exonnorating our fans....Funny that.
More Recently they have taken the superb step of hacking telephone lines and even deleting messages from answerphones including some that may have had information regarding Maddy McCann, a child kidnapped while on holliday.
Honnestly the list goes on and on. Quite simply put the S*n is a rag and the people who work for it are the biggest pile of lowlife scum the world has ever seen.

Justice for the 96
DONT BUY THE S*N

the entire British newpaper industry is an irredeemable cesspit of evil and putrescence. do not read any of them it would only taint your soul.

Fine. The Guardian is still the best of the bunch. And their Android app is a lot better than the Beeb's.

thank you kindly for honlyuman sashabot, you've come to my rescue once again:)

BBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

Well this is very unexpected and - if true - great news for Matt Smith fans.

Matt?s time (lord) isn?t up yet | The Sun |TV Magazine (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/tvmagazine/4930525/Matts-time-lord-isnt-up-yet.html)

Now confirmed by the man himself in an interview. And I don't find it unexpected, personally - I always thought we'd get at least one more year out of him. Great news to have it confirmed, though - another year of Matt 'n' Jenna is a good thing IMHO. :)

At least you have a choice of newspapers over there - here in South Oz, it's "The Advertiser" (right-wing shite), or nothing. I choose nothing...

10 days ago I had my DW themed birthday party it was fantastic! My custom Bubble Shock soda labels were a hit! My TARDIS cake was amazing and my front door dressed up as the TARDIS, got the attention of my next door neighbor.!

So how many different DW foods did you manage in the end?

(Since we discussed it: Bounty-Bar Fish Fingers and Bacon&Egg cubes are now A Thing in the Nobber household.)

The Guardian has a unique structure in that it is owned by a trust - so it has a set of rules that oblige it to act in a "moral" manner - and it has no individual owner to interfere with it and inflict his ego on it

it is perhaps worth considering media ownership -

The Telegraph - The Billionaire recluses the Barclay Brothers; tax exiles who split their time between Monaco and their private island of Brecqhou, from where they try to take over the Govt. of Sark (to which Brecqhou is subject)

Daily Mail - Billionaire Lord Rothermere - That he owns the Mail is surely condemnation enough

Express - Richard Desmond - Pornographer - made his money from "men's mags". Not that I have a problem with such things, but they aren't even decent porn. (e.g. there are examples of the same picture set being used two editions in a row but calling the model a different name)

Independant - Alexander Lebvedev - Russian Oligarch, former KGB

The Times and The Sun - Rupert Murdoch....do I really need to explain how big a shit this guy is? (How about the tale of his first newspaper in Aussieland; to boost circulation he ran sensationalist stories about schoolchildren's sex lives, based on a 13 yo girls diary. The 13yo boy named killed himself and the Girl, upon medical exam was found to be a virgin. The "diary" was mostly fantasy. But Rupert had his market domination by then and didn't give a shit)

Between them these titles hold the VAST majority of the market, Leveson didn't go far enough

Yes Prime Minister explains. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIPDjvcmVrM)
And Russel for a more up to date view (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq5_joo5l5I)

The Guardian isn't crap.

nope. it's carp :)

I'm very impressed by all the views expressed here, in this unlikely corner of the forum. For any exasperated Medic fan, please forgive this intrusion.

I have never thought much of the printed British press. I'm now in my sixties (and watched the first episodes of the medic live), and started reading newspapers on the Guardian due to its left leanings because it didn't jarr too much with my world view. I was a loose labour supporter, but too young to vote (it was 21 in those days); by the time I was old enough I had gravitated to the Liberals (where I still am, although its LibDem now). I could recognise all the biases, but my main concern was statistical facts... election results and such, and the Guardian was a bit short on those things so I switched to the Times. They had the statistics I wanted and so I just ignored the views I didn't like. After a long time with the Times, along came the Internet and except for odd election issues I began to rely on the BBC website (and others). Rags, like the Mirror, Sun, Express and Mail have never been my choice, with weighty world issues summed up in a small paragraph next to a girlie in swimwear draped over a car. Now, the only newspapers I buy are the big 4 (Times, Telegraph, Guardian, and Independent), but only on the Saturday after the annual local elections for all the detailed results in print form.

For daily news I tend to have BBC News 24 on in the background, and sometimes Sky News, and let it wash over me.

I'd be horrified if we ever got a Fox News equivalent.

I also used to buy issues of the International Herald Tribune for coverage of US presidential elections. I liked that a lot, but it did have a shockingly insular view commensurate with its description of "World series" for an essentially US only domestic game.

are british news agencies controlled in the same way us ones are? owned by the same types of ppl?

BTW, does anyone have The Womb of the Metal People, narrated by Fruzer Hinnes and The Droids of Tara audiobook by Daviid Fisher (his new novelisation based on his script), please?
Thank you.

Looking for the metal story too. Can anybody help? Thanks.

Well, like several others seem to have, I'm now going off to hide in a cave for a while until I've seen the Oz screening of The Medic's Moniker (in about 22 hours), as I don't want ANY chance of being spoiled beforehand, and I'm not downloading as like the feeling of 'event' I get from watching it 'live' (although I may download a back-up just in case something goes wrong...)

See you all on the other side - and here's hoping it's worth it... :)

Medic 10 - D*A*Y**O*F**T*H*E**T*R*O*L*L*

RWQ
<!--http://www.sendspace.com/file/69ciyq-->

Strangely optimistic about tonight.

I hope he doesn't let us down...

Yeah, but some make better toilet paper than others :D

Yeah, agree there! Problem is, if you use it, some newspapers can leave more s**t on your bum then before you tried to wipe it!

Well, less than an hour to go. Time to start getting drunk ... just in case. :p

Well, less than an hour to go. Time to start getting drunk ... just in case. :p
let us live in hope while we can

Oooo Errrr.

The once and future Medic.

Single thought on the finale ....


Yawn

dear god...... I have lost my faith in the current show now..... roll on the next showrunner I say!

Well, I was pleasantly surprised. It had it's faults but on the whole a good final episode that holds out promise for November

Well, I was pleasantly surprised. It had it's faults but on the whole a good final episode that holds out promise for November

I suppose, in fairness, it wasn't quite as awful as I thought it was going to be, but it just never really felt like it got going. A certainly lack of ... Ooomph.


Nice to see the usage of the old footage, though, especially Clara telling 1st which one to nick!

WOOOW , i loved that, yes it was little predictable but still good solid entertainment. Only niggle i have is i didn't like the caption coming up on the screen at the end. took you out of the bubble abit. but apart from that ROLL ON THE 50TH!!!!!!

I really enjoyed it.

I know. I am shocked. I have hated this series, but that was great.

Now this is not a spoiler, it is a theory.

I am assuming that John Hurt is the 9th as was rumoured then? He ended the time war in the way he did so was far too ashamed to take the name of the Doctor so he regenerated into 9 who is now 10?

If there's anyone in the states (or elsewhere) wanting to watch it without having to wait, message me, and I'll get you the link.

Could have been better but then could have been MUCH worse.

Single thought on the finale ....


Yawn


pretty much
as the plot was pretty much as we had all figured out, the only things to comment on are the way it was told
no explanation as to how the GI became powerful enough to create the whispermen, and get to other planets
Madam vastra seemed weak compared to her earlier outings, and if she and Jenny are married then what was all that ma'am stuff, seemed a bit odd.
and killing Jenny twice...and back from the dead twice? almost Rory like powers of recuperation
When exactly were we seeing River from in her timeline? and why was seeing her painful to the medic now, but not any of the other times they met, they were all after the library after all.
about the only good comedy came from strax while in the land of haggis., no stand out line of genius like "bar-mitzvah" or "and this is my wife"
but the big problem.....
if all the other Carla's knew to "save" the medic then why didn't dalek girl and vicorian carla? told One which time capsule to steal so she knew what was going on.
Ok I'm prepared to wait to know where/when/how/what the JH medic fits in, but the reveal was not exactly spectacular.
oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Mr muffett it's time to let someone else take the reins.
and were we not promised some MS/DT action for not leaking the leaked ep?
where is it?

pretty much
as the plot was pretty much as we had all figured out, the only things to comment on are the way it was told
no explanation as to how the GI became powerful enough to create the whispermen, and get to other planets
Madam vastra seemed weak compared to her earlier outings, and if she and Jenny are married then what was all that ma'am stuff, seemed a bit odd.
and killing Jenny twice...and back from the dead twice? almost Rory like powers of recuperation
When exactly were we seeing River from in her timeline? and why was seeing her painful to the medic now, but not any of the other times they met, they were all after the library after all.
about the only good comedy came from strax while in the land of haggis., no stand out line of genius like "bar-mitzvah" or "and this is my wife"
but the big problem.....
if all the other Carla's knew to "save" the medic then why didn't dalek girl and vicorian carla? told One which time capsule to steal so she knew what was going on.
Ok I'm prepared to wait to know where/when/how/what the JH medic fits in, but the reveal was not exactly spectacular.
oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Mr muffett it's time to let someone else take the reins.
and were we not promised some MS/DT action for not leaking the leaked ep?
where is it?


Matt Smith and David Tennant Behind the Scenes of the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary Special - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Em8lmmTNkA)

More to the point on the GI ...


Where were the proper Yetis? SURELY they could have found a reason to drop them in?

Well, as I had avoided all spoilers and speculation it was all completely new. It was a tad predictable in places but there were some very nice touches and i am looking forward to the 50th without the feeling of dread i did have.

Having said that I do feel that the Moff's time as show runner should be as short as possible as things are starting to look a bit threadbare on the ideas front.

Here is a novel thought - let's not have a pretentious series arc and just have a year of good old fashioned stand alone stories lasting 2 or 3 episodes

Matt Smith and David Tennant Behind the Scenes of the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary Special - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Em8lmmTNkA)

Ah-ha, thank you and here was me thinking it would be on the official BBC site first

I really enjoyed it.

I know. I am shocked. I have hated this series, but that was great.

Now this is not a spoiler, it is a theory.

I am assuming that John Hurt is the 9th as was rumoured then? He ended the time war in the way he did so was far too ashamed to take the name of the Doctor so he regenerated into 9 who is now 10?

I think that's what we are supposed to think.

I have a different theory. Does everyone/anyone remember when we were first introduced to Romana II? In that serial, she was trying on faces before choosing her form. What if Eight regenerated into Hurt!Doctor who then "won" the Time War and, as a result of shame and internal hate, used his remaining regenerative energy (as seen in 10's first episodes, assuming that the Hurt!Doctor was within the first 15 hours of his regeneration) to "change faces" into the actual 9?

Deleted

Not a spoiler, but I am wondering in fairness to Moffat if he cant use Paul McGann because of Universal television rights? I know Grace isnt allowed in LC productions for a similiar reason, but I dont recall seeing Clara with McGann tonight...sobs...

I was looking for it, but it was, unfortunately, non-existent. Very sob worthy indeed.

---------- Post added at 09:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:11 PM ----------

[/COLOR]Not a spoiler, but I am wondering in fairness to Moffat if he cant use Paul McGann because of Universal television rights? I know Grace isnt allowed in LC productions for a similiar reason, but I dont recall seeing Clara with McGann tonight...sobs...

8 was in the flashbacks. Not McGann but somebody dressed as him. I assume no suitable footage could be found or the fact it was filmed differently made it look odd. But at least he sneaked in there.

The BBC do own the rights to the 8th Doctor, just not his companions which is why they had to change them and give him new ones in the spin off matrial.

Anyway, McGann appears for about half a second running past Clara just before Troughton.

If Hurt is who a majority of fans on certain forums seem to think (a disgraced 9 Time War Doctor) then we might get lucky and those rumours about McGann getting a bigger scene might be true.

Deleted

So how many different DW foods did you manage in the end?

(Since we discussed it: Bounty-Bar Fish Fingers and Bacon&Egg cubes are now A Thing in the Nobber household.)

I got everything I listed on my post a month or so back on here. I even ended up with the hard to come by Jelly Babies!

Thoughts on Anniversary plot. I have put this in spoilers as (a) it deals with final scene tonight and (b) it also deals with a much muted rumoured plot line about the anniversary. I add rumoured so it may not be the official plot etc, but just in case...






The Anniversary rumour was that John Hurt would actually be Omega which would in itself be resolving a long running plot thread Moffat had been sowing into the series (Google "Omega symbol Doctor Who" for examples). The suggestion was the Doc had forgotten about Hurt's Doc because it was so traumatising and, as a result, 10 and 11 bought completely that he was a former Doc. However, the close of the Episode would have Omega revealed that he was trying to steal Doc's body (again!) and he would be defeated.

However, in the final scene, Matt seems to know EXACTLY who Hurt is. Without doubts. There is no fog or confusion - Doc 11 acknowledges who Hurt is and clearly despises what he does which makes me think...is he REALLY going to be a Doctor? If so, Moffat has gone bonkers!!






I do love that theory and I hope it happens, although he better spell it out or the casual fans/bulk audience will be sat there wondering what is going on.

The other way, fans will be looking at their merchandise and �50 prints from forbidden planet and knowing that the number of their Doctor is now wrong.

Either way, it is weird. But I am hoping it is a Turn Left style problem and will be fixed.

I have answered without directly answering to respect your spoiler tags.




Onto more important things... McGann. I have watched his .5 seconds about 10 times now. Is that weird.

I do love that man.

I felt the episode could have been a two-parter. It felt like there wasn't much of a build up, things happened so fast, quick resolve and then finish. Agree with a statement that it would be nice to have a series of stand-alone episodes with no story arc. I've been reading the E-Space trilogy- now that was a good little arc in a season, even that would be okay, if only for a few episodes. And did anyone else feel a little cheated at the Matt & DT video - a minute and a half of virtually nothing?!

So my thoughts after a second viewing... To be honest Moffat is going to have to pull something seriously amazing out for the 50th Anniversary Special because this series has made me question Nu-Who. The ending may have been a shock to some, but the episode felt rushed to me, parts missing and some of the storyline too wishy-washy.

The moment with River and the Doctor saying goodbye was the first time that I felt the old Moffat was back, but that was it. What he has done to the Great Intelligence has annoyed me as the audio's of those rank highly in my books. Gone is that disembodied voice with a robot army, replaced by R.E.G. and what seemed to be scary versions of Dr Seuss in their place.

Season 5 & 6 were great to me. I loved S5 and how the arc for that worked out, and although S6 had duff moments and may have been complex, it still worked, even with a mid-season break. However this half-season has been focused on Clara, who I haven't got attached to like previous companions. I know that there are other companions like that to me (as I seem to be the expect on one of them) but this half season hasn't gripped me. It is a sad fact that the two episodes I enjoyed in this season were the Gatiss written ones, who has managed to get the one thing that has been missing in the others - The feel of Doctor Who.

I know that the ending of this episode is to be resolved in the 50th Special, but with the way things have been this series I'm looking to it with serious reservations.....

It seems to be that I have taken the crown off Ian Levine as being the grumpy git of fandom... or the new Lawrence Miles

...so he can't be a really old version of the Eighth? I'd pretty much decided it was Eight who did the deed, then regenerated (possibly in an unrelated event) into a somewhat traumatised Nine. Don't make me wrong.

I, too, was rather unenthusiastic about the caption at the end. To the effect of what? WHAT? WHAT‽ � la Six (as opposed to Ten) but with more swearing. Well, more coherent-and-non-alien-language swearing anyway.

And I, too, reckoned the episode would've been better as a multiparter. So much wasted opportunity.

Other than that,
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Rv5M4iXxQts/ULj5ke7de2I/AAAAAAAACIc/OX9gO4yvMh8/s1600/images+(1).jpg

i liked tonights finale i thought it was more who like than previous episodes, it defiantly had the feeling of older episodes in its story which i feel that most of season 7 has been missing for some reason cant pin point why though.

has no one noticed how many times the name Valeyard was mentioned WHY? hmmmm indeed, why mention him at all could Hurt be the Valeyard which was doctor 13 evil was it not? Maybe the GI changed something very slightly that saved the Valeyard and Clara and the 11th Doc doesn't know.

i do think the Valeyard is going to come back if Hurt ain't him then someone else will be i reckon as the name was dropped a few times for no reason other than to remind us that there was a Valeyard once at sometime in the future of the DOC possible or alternate future i dont know need to re watch trial of a time lord now lol to refresh myself.

We didn't see the 10th Doc did we? and as nine runs past i thought the doc before or after him was the 4th Doc not the 8th Doc, i missed it if it was the 8th going to re watch it tomorrow as memory is fading lol still dont explain why we dont see the 10th Doc though and we know he is in the 50th.

Thoughts for November ...


Hurt's going to be some sort of manifestation of all the Doc's "Bad Sides" as hinted at in, IIRC, "Amy's Choice" - is that the one where the Doc looks at his reflection as the bad guy of the week says something along the lines of the Doc knowing who his own worse enemy is? Sort of a Second Valeyard.


Or something like that. God, I'm find it hard to get enthusiastic about the whole damn thing.

what a blast!
i'm really happy with that..back to watch 4th, and hope before november i finished watching all old who

oh, and Nobber, no highlight this episode?:p

and the wait begins lol

has no one noticed how many times the name Valeyard was mentioned WHY? hmmmm indeed, why mention him at all could Hurt be the Valeyard which was doctor 13 evil was it not? Maybe the GI changed something very slightly that saved the Valeyard and Clara and the 11th Doc doesn't know.

i do think the Valeyard is going to come back if Hurt ain't him then someone else will be i reckon as the name was dropped a few times for no reason other than to remind us that there was a Valeyard once at sometime in the future of the DOC possible or alternate future i dont know need to re watch trial of a time lord now lol to refresh myself.

One of the Moffster's biggest problems with the Valeyard was that it'd take a lot of explanation for new viewers, but hopefully he's realized he can slowly seed in info about him. Also, Clara went through the medic's timestream. His entire timestream. From his first to eleventh bodies - surely if it's supposed to be some 8.5, she'd have known who he was, or it would be gone from the medic's memory as well. So I'm with you, thinking he's more than just a name drop. Alternatively, they just swapped the places of the classic medic per episode, with six here, while seven was last week.

Deleted

Yup! There's a snippet from what looks like its supposed to be a scene in Silence In The Library where 10 has his back to us and Clara is looking at him through the glass. A very very short scene, but still more than McGann got (i'm sorry McGann spotters last night, but I cant see him anywhere!)

McGann's .15 seconds were him running infront of Clara, then the 2nd Doctor running the other way and the camera following him......

Deleted

Have seen it now...Sweet Jesus that is piss poor...

I don't think that's even actually the man himself, just a double.

If for what ever reason they couldn't use proper footage from the TV Movie, they could have at least used the usual Still they normally use and, oh, I dunno, ask BF to give them some suitable audio!

---------- Post added at 03:02 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:01 AM ----------

Ooo ... here's a thought .... will JLC make a guest appearance in the BF 50th special??

Ooo ... here's a thought .... will JLC make a guest appearance in the BF 50th special??

I hope not.... Moffat has already spoilt the Nu-Who stuff for me this year, don't want him to wreck the one thing that could save the 50th anniversary year for me.


I am really suffering from a case of the Lawrence Miles's today :\

I hope not.... Moffat has already spoilt the Nu-Who stuff for me this year, don't want him to wreck the one thing that could save the 50th anniversary year for me.


I am really suffering from a case of the Lawrence Miles's today :\

:)

Ok, but she should at least have a brief cameo in the November CC which is meant to be the story of how 1st and Susan left in the first place.

:)

Ok, but she should at least have a brief cameo in the November CC which is meant to be the story of how 1st and Susan left in the first place.

I don't think LC can do that as it means a Nu-Who/Classic cross over. Also if it doesn't happen and Moffat screws up the special in such a way that I discount anything from the New Series, I'm swapping my canon so that the Ecclescake 9th Doctor is changed to the R.E.G. 9th Doctor as the true 9th Doctor (as the final EDA TGC suggests that there are three 9th Doctors).

It also means I can count Withnail & I as a spin off Multi-Doctor story in the same vein as Human Nature, with both the 8th and 9th fob-watching themselves and hiding in 1960's Camden

Nah, it's not really a cross over... if it's purely her line about picking a different Tardis. ... Even if it's just Susan mentioning it second-hand, it'd make a proper link between to the two eras and be a nice little nod.

Just got back from The Fish & Chip Shop (aka The TARDIS Room), in Portland, Oregon. Great food and service! Watching the episode was a bit awkeward sitting the angle we were. Gorgeous girl dressed as Oswin asked if anyone had lost their sonic screwdriver, I wanted to say it was mine just so I could talk to her. ...I'm such a wuse.
I also wish I had worn either my 4th or 11th Doctor outfits.

Ok I've watched the new ep and - I don't get why it's being bagged so much

Thought it was bloody brilliant!

Without posting anything remotely resembling spoilers - it answered a lot of questions, it led onto the 50th ep and managed to give us more questions.

I really don't think nu-who has lost its way - but i'm wondering if some fans have.

I've sat back and watched some consistently bag eps, along with the show runner, and i don't think it's deserved.

I haven't walked away from any ep this half-season disappointed - well except for one but that seems to be everyone else's favourite - and i think the negativity is unearned.

This show was a large chunk of my childhood, and i'm rapt that i get to share it with my kids. MS is doing a brilliant job as the medic, the vast majority of the stories are excellent and i think the culture that seems to be developing of ripping every episode apart because it doesn't reach your personal expectations needs to end.

Start looking at every episode like you're damn lucky the show is on air, put them on in a positive frame of mind, and maybe, just maybe, you'll see what a lot of fans do. That it's bloody brilliant that we get to watch it!!

Just got back from The Fish & Chip Shop (aka The TARDIS Room), in Portland, Oregon. Great food and service! Watching the episode was a bit awkeward sitting the angle we were. Gorgeous girl dressed as Oswin asked if anyone had lost their sonic screwdriver, I wanted to say it was mine just so I could talk to her. ...I'm such a wuse.
I also wish I had worn either my 4th or 11th Doctor outfits.

How have I never been here? I know where I'm going come November.

The roomies and our friend crowded into my room - I have the largest TV and watched the show while we ate home made fish fingers, tartar sauce, Sontaran potatoes and a lovely Eggnog Custard pie. We're all Classic fans - having spent more time than we want to admit attending conventions back in the Eighties (the roomie introduced CB to Thin Mint Girl Scout cookies and I once played an afternoon of cricket with Jon P and Ant Ainley and we all got lessons in doing the "Time Warp" by Nick Courtney.) The four of us loved it and thought it worked very well. I think Moffat's doing a fine job, he definitely knows what he's doing and , at the moment, my only real disappointment is that we have to wait so long for next season. That's the consensus from the Lion's Den.

Haven't seen the finale yet, so I've been deliberately avoiding your spoilers. However, meeting Colin Baker today was a real joy. Such a nice guy. I think he looked touched when I told him Six was one of my 2 fave LC Medics. :)

How have I never been here? I know where I'm going come November.

A fellow Oregonian?
I have been planning to go there with friends for several months now, but have been having a darn time trying to figure out how and when. An old schoolmate wrote me the other day and asked if I had heard of "TARDIS Room" and since I had just had my b-day treated me to dinner.

http://thefishandchipshop.com

A fellow Oregonian?
I have been planning to go there with friends for several months now, but have been having a darn time trying to figure out how and when. An old schoolmate wrote me the other day and asked if I had heard of "TARDIS Room" and since I had just had my b-day treated me to dinner.

The Fish & Chip Shop (http://thefishandchipshop.com)

Aye, out in Suburb land, Beaverton, even. And funnily enough, I work near Killingsworth. Thanks for the link! That must've been a good treat. The Davros burger sounds like a classic.

I think I generally agree that it was a bit average overall. definitely believe they could have done a lot better on the CGI when using past medics, but perhaps this is just a taster for future episodes...

Haven't seen the finale yet, so I've been deliberately avoiding your spoilers. However, meeting Colin Baker today was a real joy. Such a nice guy. I think he looked touched when I told him Six was one of my 2 fave LC Medics. :)He's my favourite of each and every medium, but of course I couldn't say it, so hard was I concentrating on not making a scene. *sigh*

O fandom, what power you have to make us suffer and like it.

Aye, out in Suburb land, Beaverton, even. And funnily enough, I work near Killingsworth. Thanks for the link! That must've been a good treat. The Davros burger sounds like a classic.
I'm from the Milluakie, Oregon City area.
I actually had the Davros burger! It was awesome.

I just saw it. I liked it. It neatly provided the answer for what the deal with Clara is. It neatly poses new questions. Dunno if the "not Doc" is evil per se. Just made choices and decisions a Doc couldn't. Smith knew who he was/is, so I do not thing it is an "unremembered" part. It may be merely a matter of semantics. Clara was in all The Doctor's timelines, but that was not a Doctor proper by name...?

I caught glimpses of all of the Docs. They were all there. I don't mind. It is a gift to old fans that we see that, and hear Valeyard. So we can know that past continuity is at least acknowledged. At the same time , fans who have never seen the past episodes can be happy without getting bogged into a shit ton of back story. Works for me.

I will not try to defend this season, it is not really clicking for me, dunno why. I do however, love the scenes with River tonight. 'Bout damn time. (Pardon the punny)

For anyone who missed the blink and miss 8th Medic

http://s16.postimg.org/ockb785ad/tumblr_mn0dqbg9_TK1qapfimo1_400.gif

it seems we have come to the end of River's story..... i wonder if she will even be in Series 8...the question now stands. is Smith and JLC are both in for the next series.... it'll be interesting to see where Smith ends.. because he will then be approaching one of the medics with the most screen time.... a few more special or episodes and he'll come close to 2 and 3 and then 1 but still a ways off from 7.

amazingly enough i keep thinking of him as a new Doctor only having just taken over from 10.... -- he gives some really great performances

and now 11 knows what Trenzalore has in store for him.... [ time can be rewritten....]

As the Master stated, "The Valeyard, Doctor, is your penultimate reincarnation... Somewhere between your twelfth and thirteenth regeneration."

hmmm so thats 12.5 then, but now we got another at 8.5 too.

As the Master stated, "The Valeyard, Doctor, is your penultimate reincarnation... Somewhere between your twelfth and thirteenth regeneration."

hmmm so thats 12.5 then, but now we got another at 8.5 too.

I don't know...i'm developing a theory...

who was the doctor before he became the doctor and stole the tardis?

Thoughts for November ...


Hurt's going to be some sort of manifestation of all the Doc's "Bad Sides" as hinted at in, IIRC, "Amy's Choice" - is that the one where the Doc looks at his reflection as the bad guy of the week says something along the lines of the Doc knowing who his own worse enemy is? Sort of a Second Valeyard.


Or something like that. God, I'm find it hard to get enthusiastic about the whole damn thing.

I would like this and not just for selfish reasons (see my signature)[shameless plug there]
I would like this a lot more than JH being a regen that the medic simply denies. that seems just a bit naff.


He's my favourite of each and every medium, but of course I couldn't say it, so hard was I concentrating on not making a scene. *sigh*

O fandom, what power you have to make us suffer and like it.

Not making a scene???
the best way to support Six-y is to emulate him!

I think that's what we are supposed to think.

I have a different theory. Does everyone/anyone remember when we were first introduced to Romana II? In that serial, she was trying on faces before choosing her form. What if Eight regenerated into Hurt!Doctor who then "won" the Time War and, as a result of shame and internal hate, used his remaining regenerative energy (as seen in 10's first episodes, assuming that the Hurt!Doctor was within the first 15 hours of his regeneration) to "change faces" into the actual 9?

I like this theory - you may be on to something there, and that way, he's not an 'official' Doctor... Good thinking, sir (madam??)!!

Brilliant episode, BTW, loved every minute. The opening sequence alone almost made me faint with glee!! Yes there wasn't a lot of plot, but by god it was hugely enjoyable, massively entertaining and greatly satisfying, and tickled my fan-gene (oo-er!) greatly. However, that same gene still isn't quite sure what to make of the the Hurt-Medic thing, which is probably why I like jsg's idea so much!! And goldie, I agree 100% about the caption taking me out of the moment - it was a touch too far...

Anyone else notice there was no sign of McGann?? Could certain rumours be true?? :) EDIT: Never mind - Puthkins found him...

evilmonk & dark4eyes: agree completely. This year had it's problems, but all seasons do - still loving every minute!

FYI, from the Doctor Who News Page: "The official website has revealed that the show’s lead writer and executive producer, Steven Moffat, is already working on the new series and plotting a new run of adventures for the Doctor. The series is expected to start filming at the end of 2013 or beginning of 2014 which suggests a transmission date of Autumn 2014.

The website also looks ahead to the 50th Anniversary later this year and promises big plans are being put in place that will well and truly celebrate the Doctor’s half-centenary. "

Which seems to go some way towards my thoughts that the BBC will be starting the anniversary celebrations proper in November, which - in my opinion at least - is technically when it starts...

Now to just get through the next 6 months (Lots and LOTS of LC stuff, methinks)... :(

Not making a scene???
the best way to support Six-y is to emulate him!And I do, really, in everything I say and do (and think, probably). But I tend to tone it down a lot when dealing with people whom I'd prefer to not get the impression that I'm a bit... weird (coz I am, super weird: tried being normal a couple of times to see if it'd get me friends; decided the friends weren't worth the boredom).

Is it better to kick myself for not being interesting but be a little pleased that I didn't alienate another person I'd really rather not, or to kick myself repeatedly and cringe every time I remember how I alienated another person I wish I hadn't?

Of course best is being just interesting enough. It's a difficult balance, though. I secured myself a handshake and a not-entirely-awkward half dozen words exchanged; but then, I also followed through with giving him the picture I'd drawn... is it possible to give yourself half a kick?

A fellow Oregonian?
I have been planning to go there with friends for several months now, but have been having a darn time trying to figure out how and when. An old schoolmate wrote me the other day and asked if I had heard of "TARDIS Room" and since I had just had my b-day treated me to dinner.

The Fish & Chip Shop (http://thefishandchipshop.com)

That sounds utterly BRILLIANT! Very jealous...

I just rewatched Madhouse of the Kaleds again for the first time since it was transmitted. What an amazing episode, I enjoyed every second!!! Much better the 2nd time round. Now for lizards on a space craft!!!!

The more I read people saying it was the best episode ever, the more I wonder if there is something wrong with me. I watched it for a third time last night and it didn't seem as bad, but I still feel like I'm missing what everyone else is seeing. I know the ending was meant to be a massive shock/lead in to the special, but it felt a little like Utopia without the build up to the big reveal.... Almost like it was missing some things during the episode that would have made the ending less 'oh that felt tagged on' and more 'oh so that is what he was gearing up for'

Also I know people are saying the Whisper-men were great, but that rhyming stuff just felt a little too much like Dr Seuss to me

I don't know...i'm developing a theory...

who was the doctor before he became the doctor and stole the tardis?

Some one lied to the Master or the Master was lying.

They also said that the Valyard was a twisted unlikely probability made manifest by the matrix.

Although it seemed that the Master had been fighting the Valeyard for quite some time before the Trial of a Timelord began, so it's not an unreasonable assumption.

I think you are all missing the important definitive revelation at the beginning. It shows # 1 and Susan on home planet stealing a capsule. The old man, AND HIS GRANDDAUGHTER SUSAN ON GALLIFREY. So, yes, yes she is likely a Time lady and his true granddaughter??? :awsm:

Did anyone else notice that when the Tardis crashed and the Doctor came out of the door that the window was broken on the Tardis and he tapped it, now look at the large final Tardis it had the same window break same place didn't it?

Also who was the girl in the shop that gave Clara the phone number, why did Amy write that book Summer Falls, did the GI survive, at the end of the first episode of season 7 who was the woman speaking too? was it the GI as we never see or learn who that was do we?

if 8.5 is not the Valeyard, could he be a Doctor probably the 8th that has been sucked out of time by the time lords forced to regenerate into a more dark sinister Doctor to help end the time war? That makes him an alternate Doctor from an alternate time line maybe hence 8.5 the doctor that never is.

I think River Song will be back but we watched the final moments of Goodbye sweetie she was the Library River Song, she also was connected to Clara in some way too and i think it went beyond the other link at the beginning.

Also at the end of trial of the timelord 6th DOc season the Valeyard didnt die he was seen still alive.

Got this from wiki valeyard:

The Doctor entered the Matrix and fought and defeated the Valeyard in a fictional world of his creation. The Inquisitor revealed that Peri had indeed survived and was married to Yrcanos. The Master and the Valeyard appeared to be trapped in the Matrix, with the Valeyard apparently being destroyed by the feedback from the particle disseminator, but at the end of the serial, the Valeyard was seen disguised as the Keeper of the Matrix. The subsequent whereabouts of the Valeyard have never been disclosed in the television series.

In the 2010 episode "Amy's Choice", the Eleventh Doctor, Amy Pond and Rory Williams are attacked by the mysterious 'Dream Lord', an older man dressed in duplicates of the Doctor's clothes, who traps them between two dream states. At the episode's conclusion, the Dream Lord is revealed to be the Doctor's dark side, manifesting in their dreams after exposure to psychic pollen, although no reference is made to the Valeyard.

In the 2013 episode "The Name of the Doctor", the Great Intelligence states that "the Valeyard" is one of the names by which the Doctor will be known by the end of his life.

Deleted

Can somebody refresh my memory? Where did the story about JH being a 'forgotten regeneration' between PMcG and CE come from? As far as I remember it's still all rumour and conjecture.

I don't know...i'm developing a theory...

who was the doctor before he became the doctor and stole the tardis?

what if the chamelion arch can be used to change him into another time lord.. who does something "in his name" such as "i smite thee in the name of God"

---------- Post added at 06:54 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:44 AM ----------

on the whole i thought this episode should have been 2-3 parts.... it seemed bits were missing.... endless running away wasn't foreshadowing of the reveal that came out of no where... a few more substantial moments with the classic 10 medic and clara... and the Great IN -- come on the whispermen, great idea but why where and and who? Muffat is missing all the keys elements to creating characters that are no central to the plot....

one only need to look as classic who character to WHY we listen to LC today... why is there a Jagfoot and Lite-0.. why because as characters they were fleshed out and we wanted more... based on muffet's characters there are very few i want back and the use of Vast,Jenny and Strax is still baffling because we seem to be missing parts of their story as well.

---------- Post added at 07:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:54 AM ----------

Every season has highs and lows.... the problem with smaller chunks is the lows tend to stick out more.... Series 17 had vast highs with Deadly Paris
to the abysmal lows of Porn of the Hymen....

It is funny that one of the worst WTF moments in Fire Is Dragging where the medic hangs from his 'brella is highlighted in this ep...


While i dont think the season has been bad..... i can't help but wonder if the episodes need to be fleshed out to 60 minutes or even 75 minutes from now on this idea that 45 is the right amount of time [ to i guess please overseas commercials ] is getting to wear a bit thin.... and the fact that this whole season has been single episodes.... in classic whol that means we just has a season of 5 2 parter a 3 parter and 8 2 parters ...14 different stories in one year.....

think about that...14 different stories in classic who i think the record was 10-11 tops broken into episodes...

Maybe we need to go back to the 30 minute format?

In regards to Matt Smith leaving DW after the 50th, or after Xmas:
Wikipedia has stated that MS is in the Xmas special with JLC, JLC has been stated as returning for series 8 for quite a while, and a week or two before the Sun reporteded it said that MS was to be returning for Series 8 as well.

List of Doctor Who serials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_serials)

In regards to Matt Smith leaving DW after the 50th, or after Xmas:
Wikipedia has stated that MS is in the Xmas special with JLC, JLC has been stated as returning for series 8 for quite a while, and a week or two before the Sun reporteded it said that MS was to be returning for Series 8 as well.

List of Doctor Who serials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_serials)

Means absolutely nothing. Wikipedia isn't exactly noted for it's accuracy, and newspaper reporters have actually admitted to using Wiki to get their information in the past.

Can somebody refresh my memory? Where did the story about JH being a 'forgotten regeneration' between PMcG and CE come from? As far as I remember it's still all rumour and conjecture.

It comes from a couple of the forums - but i think that if had been stated by The Doctors Trainers originally, and he tends to be on the mark with spoilers

Means absolutely nothing. Wikipedia isn't exactly noted for it's accuracy, and newspaper reporters have actually admitted to using Wiki to get their information in the past.

It's a lot more reliable than those "news papers".

i would love a spin off starring Vast,Jenny and Strax in victorian Era and maybe various other era's too :) come on BBC make it happen.

There is nothing wrong with you! I have been thinking that too. On more than one occasion this series, I have read reviews of episodes saying "the fans will be in for a treat with this episode that is destined to go down as a classic" (yes, hello Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS) and I have watched it and thought this is utter shit. Seriously you take away the old doctor clips from last nights episode, what do you have? A nonsense.

Then on Twitter you have Ian Levine who says things like "That was the best piece of Drama you will see on the BBC for a long time" which makes me think what the f##k am I missing here? I've been a Who fan for over 30 years and I can truly say this series has been the worst written and most nonsensical since I started watching it. Even Season 22 and Season 24 had moments more enjoyable than this. And thats not a reflection on Matt or Jenna who have done superbly with the material they have been given. If Matt does bow out in the Anniversary special, I wouldnt blame him.

I also think its amazing how the press praises this series as being brilliant...and yet in TWO seperate newspapers (lets not start the "What The Papers Said" debate again btw) I read articles suggesting Moffat's job was on the line due to the low quality of this series.

And I am not too old to appreciate Who anymore. I absolutely loved Eccleston-Tennant's stuff, but once Moffat reinvented the show by taking a camera crew for a colonoscopy up his own arse, it just hasnt been the same.

I am so glad that it is not just me then.

i would love a spin off starring Vast,Jenny and Strax in victorian Era and maybe various other era's too :) come on BBC make it happen.

I think there was some talk a while back. With the yanks killing TW and Liz Sladen passing away, there's definitely an open slot there. Would like to see it being done after the watershed though ;)

Well, this series has been contraversial! I do wish we'd has some two-parters - 45 minutes isn't enough to flesh out some stories.
I'm baffled as to the direction Who has gone since the last series. Series 6 at least felt more cohesive, and at least the split that year was in the same year. The damn split - why can't we have the whole series, from start to finish, with no damn split?!!! At present there's no proper flow. It'll be interesting to see the whole of the series from start to finish.

After Who stopped in 1989 I well remember the wilderness years. Don't get me wrong, I love having Who on TV, but this series has been so inconsistent and it's lost some of the true "magic" that Who is. I have enjoyed this series, but I do feel that we've been let down. Something (good) has got to happen. Who used to be loved by a lot more people when it came back, but now some of those people have stopped watching. It shouldn't be a niche show, like it was towards the end of its original run (which is not to say that I didn't like Who then - I pretty much love all Who, even at its worst - dishonourable mention to "Fear Her"...shudder).

Let's just hope that things will improve and we'll have less to complain about. At least the Clara business was pretty simple in the end and not convoluted. Though it was a bit silly when you look at the "He said, She said" prequel, now.

Oh, and TTroy, I still think of Matt as a new Medic too. Funny, I recently re-watched the SJA Death of the Medic - it's funny to compare Matt's acting then to now as the Medic.

Anyway, that's my thoughts.

BTW, with the release of the Part A of this series, and Part B due next week, are we still going to have a complete series box-set of this series, and if so, when?

---------- Post added at 10:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:00 PM ----------


i would love a spin off starring Vast,Jenny and Strax in victorian Era and maybe various other era's too :) come on BBC make it happen.

Exactly what I've been thinking too. What with Muffet's Sherrrrlock not being set in Victorian times I get the feeling that Muffet wants to do something in that era.

BTW, with the release of the Part A of this series, and Part B due next week, are we still going to have a complete series box-set of this series, and if so, when?

Probably, in a couple of months. They've done a complete series boxed set for every other series so far, so I can't see that changing.

It is a bit worrying to me as i still think of Matt as the New Medic.... when 10-ant was with Donna i was thinking he had been there a while...

and really i am curious why of all the Medic friends there are.... and including those that the Intelligent Greatness knows.... why choose Gen-E and Vastrax? why not a certain Scotsman , or a Victorian Girl ... it seems that this would have been a great opportunity to bring back medic friends for a final bow... Ian, Steven, Jamie, Victoria, Jo , Leela, Tegan, Peri, Ace, Charley or Grace , Rose and Donna all could have been in the round table... this could have been the companion tribute episode....

instead we get non companions as his friends.... heck this could have even been a way to have Amy and Rory get a look in ... as they were not being visited by the Doctor... but on a conference call


It just seems that this sort of thing in the RTD era would have gone for broke... RTD would have suggested it and Julie would have said -- go for it... bigger badder ... all the friends do it even if you dont have an ending to the story.,...

muffett like the co0mplicated messes but misses the beats along the way that RTD remembered...--i am wondering how much of RTD is in the MTV Child and the Noiseless Book Depository... heck even Double Wink Fleshed out the characters more

It is a bit worrying to me as i still think of Matt as the New Medic.... when 10-ant was with Donna i was thinking he had been there a while...



To me that says that Matt is still fresh in the role while Tennant was starting to outstay his welcome :)

After reflection; this 7B season has become "Pertwee S1" for me. As in "It's DW, but not as I like it" - There's been some good bits, and Matt and JLC have both been on top form. but 7B never really rose to the occasion for me.

As others have said - Matt STILL feels fresh and it really doesn't feel like he's been in the part as long as he has. If nothing else, he's still watchable.

So; a bit of a slump, but fingers crossed for November.

I agree with most of you that this season has not been very satisfying to say the least, although I'm a rather forgiving Whovian who subscribes to the idea that even when it's bad, it still has its merits that makes it watchable. Although, that being said, I admit I am easily entertained.

The major issue I have with last night's episode was that it seemed to throw the whole romantic notion of "the Doctor chose the TARDIS / the TARDIS chose the Doctor" completely out the window. He would have stepped into another if Clara hadn't stopped him.

The major issue I have with last night's episode was that it seemed to throw the whole romantic notion of "the Doctor chose the TARDIS / the TARDIS chose the Doctor" completely out the window. He would have stepped into another if Clara hadn't stopped him.

Yeah, I see what you mean. It wouldn't be so bad if he'd contradicted (say) RTDs era, but when he contradicts a story he's commissioned for HIS era, that's a bit daft.

Unless, of course, we're meant to think that because of the GI he'd not have had the chance to be chosen until given a bit of a nudge by Clara?

Just watched 6,7 & finale. Thankfully Moffat included some solid logic in the 7B story-arc, although it does seem a stretch for the casual viewer to have guessed Clara's mystery - even speculation on geek-related websites didn't even come close. I'm rather glad I waited to watch this run now, even if it wasn't for the reasons I initially did so.

I didn't mind the finale overall, some nice ideas and touches, even if I found the related fan-service pretty clunky to watch.

I'd thought I'd be rather annoyed with JLC's Clara, being setup as the ultimate cypher in some respects, but I didn't mind her at all.

I'm glad we have finally seen the last of Riversong, perhaps Moffat was forced to finally get rid of her not because her story had quite natually finished some time ago, but to save his marriage ;)

BTW It may sound facetious, but what exactly was the game-changer. Anything in the episode that occurred whas essentially retconned wasn't it? Or at least discrete i.e. Clara's prior adventures

Can somebody refresh my memory? Where did the story about JH being a 'forgotten regeneration' between PMcG and CE come from? As far as I remember it's still all rumour and conjecture.
I know when it appeared, jest around the time of the first read through s of the script and filing started


Just watched 6,7 & finale. Thankfully Moffat included some solid logic in the 7B story-arc, although it does seem a stretch for the casual viewer to have guessed Clara's mystery - even speculation on geek-related websites didn't even come close. I'm rather glad I waited to watch this run now, even if it wasn't for the reasons I initially did so.

I didn't mind the finale overall, some nice ideas and touches, even if I found the related fan-service pretty clunky to watch.

I'd thought I'd be rather annoyed with JLC's Clara, being setup as the ultimate cypher in some respects, but I didn't mind her at all.

I'm glad we have finally seen the last of Riversong, perhaps Moffat was forced to finally get rid of her not because her story had quite natually finished some time ago, but to save his marriage ;)

BTW It may sound facetious, but what exactly was the game-changer. Anything in the episode that occurred whas essentially retconned wasn't it? Or at least discrete i.e. Clara's prior adventures

Not guessed on the fan sites??? I know people were suggesting "something like conurbation of not-aliveness" since madhouse of the kaleds
and the "game changer" was the last few minutes and JH appearing

as for River, what started as a great idea has become confused, for it to work in needs both her and the medics timelines to be well though out, but these are clearly not.
for example, how did Lizard woman et al come into contact with a river from the book depository?, this river knew her fate so must be being projected from there, but the trio had no way to know of her to set up the seance.

Not guessed on the fan sites??? I know people were suggesting "something like conurbation of not-aliveness" since madhouse of the kaleds
and the "game changer" was the last few minutes and JH appearing


I suppose you could look at JH appearance as a game-changer, but I tend to view it as a plot-point that will be later explained, explored and retconned later this year. I suppose it comes down to semantics and cynicism :D

Deleted

It's a lot more reliable than those "news papers".

Er, no. Wikipedia is not really more reliable than anything.

---------- Post added at 12:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:25 PM ----------




It just seems that this sort of thing in the RTD era would have gone for broke... RTD would have suggested it and Julie would have said -- go for it... bigger badder ... all the friends do it even if you dont have an ending to the story.,...

muffett like the co0mplicated messes but misses the beats along the way that RTD remembered...--i am wondering how much of RTD is in the MTV Child and the Noiseless Book Depository... heck even Double Wink Fleshed out the characters more

And that's the problem with RTD. He wrote nonsense crap stories about the companions, in which the Doctor featured as a helper, not the other way around. It's the Doc's 50th anniversary, not "Rose comes back!!!!"

I hated RTD's run, in almost every way.

After reflection; this 7B season has become "Pertwee S1" for me.

I'm going to remember this and let it provide me with some hope. I actually find it very reassuring after all the criticism of the latest season that's been flying around. (I still haven't watched past the third season of the new show, just focusing on the classic stuff.)


Form is temporary, class is permanent.

That's deep, man.

The green imp returns? (untested)
RWQ
<!--
http://www.demonoid.mk/search.php?q=doctor+who&cat=all
/-->

The green imp returns? (untested)
RWQ


Hmmm ... it make have taken the name, but it's not The Site, if you see what I mean. It's too pop-up heavy and loads of porn site ads. Something the old Green Imp never did.

The green imp returns? (untested)
RWQ
<!--
doctor who torrents | Demonoid (http://www.demonoid.mk/search.php?q=doctor+who&cat=all)
/-->


NO WAY!! It's just full of porn and gross images. The old site had more class. Will not be using this!!!!

The green imp returns? (untested)
RWQ
<!--
doctor who torrents | Demonoid (http://www.demonoid.mk/search.php?q=doctor+who&cat=all)
/-->

I'm not convinced. The site just doesn't seem 'right'. Funny that there's no news about The Imp coming back online....

Apparently the word is that the new site is more than likely a scam

Went back to last season's finale and Blue head in a box states: On the field's of Trenza**lore at the fall of the eleventh... Remember when we all thought that was foretelling 11's exit. If it's his final death then what eleventh was falling? Also goes on to imply that we will only learn his name on the day he dies. As if everyone learning his true nature will kill him. Makes no regen limit ever more dismaying.

How about room 11 in the God Complex? Was JH in there?

As far as JH being the valeyard, I disagree. JH was a horror he remembered, accepted, and denied because he was a monster. Just like the TLs denied the Master during s4 finale. While I would personally dislike the idea that eleven is actually the medics twelfth body I would accept the idea that JH is *not* a medic in so far as continuing to call CE nine, DT ten, and MS eleven. But I would still demand 13 medics. But not an end to the regen limit. My head hurts...

My current theory ...


50th is set in The Doctor's mind.

JH is who The Doctor *WOULD* have regenerated into had he really released a hell of a lot of pain and anger at something like The Time Lord. The Doctor who would have rampaged the universe with God like anger.

But he refused to become *THAT* Doctor and became Nine instead, who walked away from it all sad and broken instead.

(Or vice-versa; JH's wasn't strong enough to fight, so he became CE instead who could fight.)

So what he did 'In the name of peace' (or what ever the line was) was NOT to become him.

I base this on Moff's thing about shifting the emphasis of words; 'THE NAME of the doctor' becoming "The name of 'THE DOCTOR'" for instance.

The Regeneration limit seems to have been an arbitrary limit set artificially set by the Time Lords themselves. I just watched the 2nd Docs Wargames exit, and he clearly states his people can live forever, barring accidents....

The limit was set as a dramatic way ti get the Master a new body, pure and simple, and may well be just ignored by the current series, or a casual "no more Gallifrey, no more artificial limit" thing. I have no issue with it being ignored. I am merely mildly interested in what they will decide.

I do not think this current series was a complete waste. Just jumbled and not cohesive. Lots of interesting little scenes that made no real sense as a whole. I did like the Ice Warrior, and also the TARDIS exploration. I love the ones where we see far more of the interior. And it was better than endless concrete loading bays...I liked the finale. Those wanting more Doctor interaction, remember that for the story plot, there was really no need to see them at all. Just a few lines of dialogue. Not everyone who watches now knows much about the original show, and here in the States many have never clapped eyes onto past shows or Doctors, or if they have it was likely Pertwee or Baker. I only saw 6 & 7 on video after I bought them. And we all know the TV movie was pretty much ignored here. Partly because no one in the main demographic knew what the hell it was. Even the new Series One, when it aired on Sci-Fi was poorly watched. So it is my contention that the visuals of all the docs was intended for long time fans as a treat, which is obviously being rejected. The GI did say Valeyard, but also two others, who we know are not actual Docs. Could be different names for the same being. But I do feel it is the current team's attempt to reconcile past (nonsensical) continuity with the current series coming so close to the "limit'. Please too, remember how vilely hated Trial was when aired. I myself cannot stand ANY of 6th's stories. The idea any are being referenced here is surely a reaching out to fans?

Lastly. I **hate** your coding thing. I do not understand most of what you are saying. Although I started this thread, I have only heard 2 -2- audio stories. Read two books which totally put me off them, and have read none of the comics. The television adventures are all I consume. So I have no idea what most of your references are to, and am simply glad to have new Who on the air at all, unlike Trekkies, who are screwed. :)

The Regeneration limit seems to have been an arbitrary limit set artificially set by the Time Lords themselves. I just watched the 2nd Docs Wargames exit, and he clearly states his people can live forever, barring accidents....


Even with the regen limit, that statement still makes sense. A particular body could live For Ever ... assuming it doesn't have an accident that causes a regeneration ...




Lastly. I **hate** your coding thing. I do not understand most of what you are saying. Although I started this thread, I have only heard 2 -2- audio stories. Read two books which totally put me off them, and have read none of the comics. The television adventures are all I consume. So I have no idea what most of your references are to, and am simply glad to have new Who on the air at all, unlike Trekkies, who are screwed. :)

The coding's a fairly recent thing to try and put off autobots that hunt down shares. It's been reasonably successful ...

Finally! Somebody who hates the coding thing as much as me.

@Nobber: Surely the Autobots are off fighting the Decepticons :p

I dunno. The 1st Doctor regenerated purely from old age it seems. The 2nd was forced early. But we see many an old Time lord, and often they complement each other on newly regenerating. It is not until later that the limit is set, and remember that the Master was offered an entirely new regeneration cycle, to my implying it's artificiality.

Lord Flashheart - And now for something completely different... a man with three buttocks...

FFShrine Forum - We've done that!

LF -Oh all right. All right! A man with nine legs.

FFS - He ran away.

LF - Oh, alright. This then - INTRODUCING JOHN HURT (http://introducingjohnhurt.com/) (move mouse on top of picture)

---------- Post added at 11:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:57 PM ----------

Additional info



Looks as though the mystery of Sutekh has been solved

I dunno. The 1st Doctor regenerated purely from old age it seems. The 2nd was forced early. But we see many an old Time lord, and often they complement each other on newly regenerating. It is not until later that the limit is set, and remember that the Master was offered an entirely new regeneration cycle, to my implying it's artificiality.

Yeah, I see where you're coming from.

If in doubt ... blame it on The Time War! :)

I highly doubt JH a future regeneration. If that was the case, then would we also see at least one more incarnation? (Eleven+ 2 more= the original thirteen.) If he was the zero medic then why isn't he dressed as a timelord? Same thing with the Valeyard, if he was he then wouldn't he be wearing those flowing black robes? Plus doesn't he technically count as a regen or does he fall in the same category as the ghost that followed four? around? Personally I believe he is most likely the medic that fought in TLGTW, and out of guilt regenerated into CE, who then proceeded to shove that doctor into the back of his mind. Plus one of JH's line's (something along the lines of being forced) might mean that he was regenerated forcefully from PMc to JH at the beginning or sometime during the TLGTW.

In addition since MS called him his secret, meaning he was known. Doesn't that rule out future regens since the current doc can't remember future regens at all? I.E. Three docs, Five Docs, Two Docs, Timecrash.

Yeah, I see what you mean. It wouldn't be so bad if he'd contradicted (say) RTDs era, but when he contradicts a story he's commissioned for HIS era, that's a bit daft.

Unless, of course, we're meant to think that because of the GI he'd not have had the chance to be chosen until given a bit of a nudge by Clara?

That was how I saw it - the GI changed everything so he was picking the wrong one but Clara stepped in and fixed it

I have Yet Another Theory ...


The Moff has a grand army of interns whose sole purpose in life is to scour various forums, read as many DW related blogs as they can, and tick of each Theory in turn.

And each time brand new Theory is discovered, SM crosses it off his "list of story resolutions"

Hence why his resolutions are always head-scratchers as all the sane ones have been taken ...

Has anyone posted the new audiobooks:

Plague of the "men who are afraid of gold"

Or

KELAD Generation?

Thanks in advance!!!

There is nothing wrong with you! I have been thinking that too. On more than one occasion this series, I have read reviews of episodes saying "the fans will be in for a treat with this episode that is destined to go down as a classic" (yes, hello Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS) and I have watched it and thought this is utter shit. Seriously you take away the old doctor clips from last nights episode, what do you have? A nonsense.

Then on Twitter you have Ian Levine who says things like "That was the best piece of Drama you will see on the BBC for a long time" which makes me think what the f##k am I missing here? I've been a Who fan for over 30 years and I can truly say this series has been the worst written and most nonsensical since I started watching it. Even Season 22 and Season 24 had moments more enjoyable than this. And thats not a reflection on Matt or Jenna who have done superbly with the material they have been given. If Matt does bow out in the Anniversary special, I wouldnt blame him.

I also think its amazing how the press praises this series as being brilliant...and yet in TWO seperate newspapers (lets not start the "What The Papers Said" debate again btw) I read articles suggesting Moffat's job was on the line due to the low quality of this series.

And I am not too old to appreciate Who anymore. I absolutely loved Eccleston-Tennant's stuff, but once Moffat reinvented the show by taking a camera crew for a colonoscopy up his own arse, it just hasnt been the same.


Two words, my friend: Personal. Taste. I loved it, you didn't - we're both right. If everyone loved the same things at the same time for the same reason, the internet would implode. And if Medic fans all start to agree, say yer prayers - the world's about to end... :)

---------- Post added at 06:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:13 PM ----------


After reflection; this 7B season has become "Pertwee S1" for me.

And oddly enough that's one of my favourite 'classic' seasons!!

Lots of interesting comments here about the finale. I enjoyed but once again it all seemed a bit rushed - what's wrong with having two part stories these days? But overall this season has been a dissapointment, and yes - it's all down to personal taste, and maybe I'm expecting too much. I watched the library episodes yesterday and thought how much better executed the whole thing was very complicated (moff's trademark) but so watchable and enjoyable. My view is that this seasons scripts were simply below par and then edited to fit 40 min episodes, which means something has to get left out as a result. Trying to cover it up with some slick special effects doesn't do it for me either, the medic has survived this long based on plot not just effects. As to who is JH? No idea - good medic, bad medic or broken medic? Not a clue. But I see this as moff's last chance for me - he's got a great cast, the tech for special effects, and all the support of the bbc too - I just don't want to see this opportunity squandered.

Two words, my friend: Personal. Taste. I loved it, you didn't - we're both right. If everyone loved the same things at the same time for the same reason, the internet would implode. And if Medic fans all start to agree, say yer prayers - the world's about to end... :)

---------- Post added at 06:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:13 PM ----------



And oddly enough that's one of my favourite 'classic' seasons!!

Have to agree here. Just as with the music I like may not be someone else's cup of tea. I do like Pertwee S1 too (though it would have been nice to have more stories then, rather than just four, three being quite long).

I quite like Pertwee's first season, am watching Silurians now, as I type. I do wish Liz had stayed on one more season though. I love Joe, but find Liz to be a much more interesting companion. I would have liked to see her do some TARDIS roaming....

anyone else having trouble getting ep 5 of min1st#r-of-ch@nce?
i can't even access the main site

I quite like Pertwee's first season, am watching Silurians now, as I type. I do wish Liz had stayed on one more season though. I love Joe, but find Liz to be a much more interesting companion. I would have liked to see her do some TARDIS roaming....

There's much to like and, agreed, Liz is an underrated and underused companion.

But - and please note this is based on a marathon watch, so stories were watched back-to-back without weekly breaks between episodes - the real gripe is that the stories are just so damn slow. You could have removed two episodes from Silurians/Death and Inferno without spoiling them and used those 'spare' episodes to have another story.

And, oddly enough, that was S7, too!

---------- Post added at 12:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:51 AM ----------


anyone else having trouble getting ep 5 of min1st#r-of-ch@nce?
i can't even access the main site

Just tried it via iTunes. Not fast, but came down OK.

ALL of the classic series really could use some judicious editing. Wargames is ten episodes of running, getting caught, escaping, running, caught again. The really big stories really were all like that. I feel that generally the new Who stories move TOO fast, are just a tad too rushed. But that frenetic atmosphere has sort of become it's trademark now.

I have all the vhs released for stories that survived. I am doing them at night. I started at the beginning, and am up to part 6 of Silurians now.

**am dreading the technicolor coat stories**

I liked this finale, I was thrilled by seeing all those Doctor's around, just made me giddy.

However, I think there is some clue that is easily missed...

This epsiode SOUNDS a lot like Gallifrey, old Gallifrey, pre-Time War.
The music is mostly taken from "Gallifrey - Our Childhood, Our Home" so represents good, old whole Gallifrey. Time-War Gallifrey is usually accompanied by other tunes, blended with martial elements, sharp percussion and all. Along with all the Nostalgia thrown around, this episode showed the Doctor, this whole person, his life and what he did.
And now for the contrast.

I think that JH is who the Doctor used to be before he became the Doctor, so he's not 8.5, but rather -1.
The emphasis was on names, and "The Doctor" is the name this individual chose. He chose to become a man of peace and sanity (roughly quoted) - he became a new man. And the man he was before - JH.

Personally, I think JH is who the doctor would have been if he had stayed on Gallifrey.

He stated that nobody had ever time-travelled as much as him and I think it terrifies him to imagine not travelling.

Remember, in the England on a space slug ep happened, and the Doctor was angry at Amy's choice? He said he did not know who he'd be, but he couldn't be "The Doctor" anymore?

Dunno. It seems through watching the old stuff that the Time Lords rarely intervened at all before the second's trial. So I don't really see how there could be an "evil" incarnation before number one. Considering also how old one was when he stole the TARDIS. I suspect the true answer will amaze us and piss us off royally at the same time and may or may not make any real damn sense at all. You know, same old...:)

I have to say that contrary to seemingly the entirety of Who fandom I never thought Tennant outstayed his welcome. He got far too much media exposure because of the heights he took the show, but I loved him as the Doctor and I knew when he went his presence would be missed...and i'll be honest I still do miss Doc 10.

Similar to when Davison left. I loved Colin Baker's doctor, but when I hear how close PD was to changing his mind during the making of Season 21 and doing a fourth season, I am slightly sorrowful.

I think Who fans because we have got so much in terms of Who books, audio and tv are the first to be overcritical - I include myself here - and we sometimes find it too easy to sneer at the show. As a long time fan, I remember post 1989. I remember the disappointment of no The Dark Dimension being made, the utter shambles of Dimension In Time and the potential Paul McGann series that never happened. We should all be grateful for what we have. This series has been shit - yes, I said it - UTTER SHIT, but the talents involved in making Who are too good to let this continue. Form is temporary, class is permanent. I am hopeful for the future and - if anything - hopefully Moffat and co can learn from the mistakes of the last few years.

I felt Medic 1 left at a good time
medic 2 i could watch forever.. but frankly he left at a good time as well
medic 3 probably outstayed his welcome by 1 year
medic 4 outstayed by 2 years but that last season was bloody brilliant
medic 5 need 1 more year
medic 6 alas need 3-4 good years and not the ones he got...
medic 7 probably the best plan was the plan to end his run after one more year
medic 8 is one i wish we could get some specials to give him some face time
medic 9 tough one... great season... i think was the right decision... possibly might have worked better with 2 years
medic 10 the decent we saw during the special year should have been planned better... but he left at the right moment
medic 11 i think 1 more series is going to be the perfect ammount for him as long as his performance is solid....[ seriously that is what is carrying the show right now]

@Nobber,
i live close to Oz, but in their poor neighbor but beautiful country. i am trying to access the site using proxy and it loaded well. so it must be regional problem, i think. cannot download via itunes too :(

I felt Medic 1 left at a good time
medic 2 i could watch forever.. but frankly he left at a good time as well
medic 3 probably outstayed his welcome by 1 year
medic 4 outstayed by 2 years but that last season was bloody brilliant
medic 5 need 1 more year
medic 6 alas need 3-4 good years and not the ones he got...
medic 7 probably the best plan was the plan to end his run after one more year
medic 8 is one i wish we could get some specials to give him some face time
medic 9 tough one... great season... i think was the right decision... possibly might have worked better with 2 years
medic 10 the decent we saw during the special year should have been planned better... but he left at the right moment
medic 11 i think 1 more series is going to be the perfect ammount for him as long as his performance is solid....[ seriously that is what is carrying the show right now]
i agree with all of these especially with medic 2. i love the trio, medic+jamie+zoe..oh, Zoe.. (and now i have to go to zero room)
ah, except medic 6, he should break medic 4's record :D

I liked this finale, I was thrilled by seeing all those Doctor's around, just made me giddy.

However, I think there is some clue that is easily missed...

This epsiode SOUNDS a lot like Gallifrey, old Gallifrey, pre-Time War.
The music is mostly taken from "Gallifrey - Our Childhood, Our Home" so represents good, old whole Gallifrey. Time-War Gallifrey is usually accompanied by other tunes, blended with martial elements, sharp percussion and all. Along with all the Nostalgia thrown around, this episode showed the Doctor, this whole person, his life and what he did.
And now for the contrast.

I think that JH is who the Doctor used to be before he became the Doctor, so he's not 8.5, but rather -1.
The emphasis was on names, and "The Doctor" is the name this individual chose. He chose to become a man of peace and sanity (roughly quoted) - he became a new man. And the man he was before - JH.




Wait, wait, wait, wait... Let me see if I understood well.

Do you mean... the Other?

Different teams have been fiddling with the Doctor's "origins" for years. The seventh talked as if he was there with Omega and Rassilon when they were developing their stellar engineering. And, he did tell Davros he was "far from just another Time Lord". Although, that was cut from original transmission. But, the tenth seemed to carry some sort of that too. The look me up bit among others, is much like the eleventh's basically run bit. Always a taste that there is much more going on with him below the surface. Also, I personally think it is very clear that the ninth was newly regenerated in Rose. BUT, all the books and images she was shown of him in the past were all of the ninth.? And, he described the Titanic bit TO Rose, implying that happened before he met her. Sooooo....? The is a ton of convoluted continuity and flat out contradictions, just in televised stories, let alone other media.

---------- Post added at 07:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:30 AM ----------

Plus, the Time Lords themselves did a lot of "tinkering"
with the Doctor and all of the other Renegades.....and hey, War Chief never regenerated? I still like him as the Master. Romana was in E-Space....is she still around? I am ignoring the audios, as the new series seems to. And the Rani. I don't see her or the Monk laying down their lives for anyone......hmmm.

well, it could just be something as ridiculously simple as that the ninth never bothered to look in a mirror until "Rose"

I dunno. He was also messing around with the things in Rose's apartment. Like the deck of cards. Tried doing tricks and when he failed, muttered maybe not....similar to many post regeneration antics as the figure out what their "thing" will be....

Deleted

@Nobber,
i live close to Oz, but in their poor neighbor but beautiful country. i am trying to access the site using proxy and it loaded well. so it must be regional problem, i think. cannot download via itunes too :(

i agree with all of these especially with medic 2. i love the trio, medic+jamie+zoe..oh, Zoe.. (and now i have to go to zero room)
ah, except medic 6, he should break medic 4's record :D

Ol sixey has already beaten the scarfed one... in terms of the amount of audio goodness... i love LC for this one simple reason that they redeemed ol sixey
....seven had already redeemed himself by his final appearance. -- and LC certainly help me see that Bonnie was not the problem as well.

I think the title of the finale was a misdirection, much like "The Doctor's Daughter" or "The Doctor's Wife" were, neither of which dealt with an actual daughter or marriage in what those who first heard the titles may have expected. I don't mean to say that the fact that we never learn his name was the misdirection, more the fact that I believe the title was focusing the importance of the name "Doctor", not his actual name.

The things that he had done since leaving his home, exploring the universe and using his abilities to save those he could, all in this new name he had chosen to call himself.
During the Time War he had done terrible things, things he never would have done otherwise. Even Davros had acknowledged the ruthlessness in which the Doctor had in his part in the War. I believe that during that time the Doctor had been so disgusted and ashamed with himself that he refused to go by the name "Doctor", because the things he did in the War was not done in that name. In what it meant to be that name. I believe this is who JH is, a version of him that he finds so repellant that he wants him to be forgotten along with his true name.

"I said he was me. I never said he was the Doctor."

"What I did I did without choice. In the name of peace and sanity."

"But not in the name of the Doctor."

My theory is that the 50th is going to finally focus on the Time War, filling in the sizable gap that we have all been wondering about since the new show began eight years ago.
But of course, knowing the writers of the show as we do, it's not going to be that simple, is it?

Lots of interesting comments here about the finale. I enjoyed but once again it all seemed a bit rushed...

This my attitude to the whole of Season 7, if not the whole of Moffat's stewardship.

His ambition to make the show more cinematic in scale and breadth, right down to having movie style posters for each of the episodes, is entirely undone by having to cram it all into 45 minutes or (often) less. What we are left with feels like a sort of Reader's Digest version that barely covers the pertinent plot points, and, as Mo-fo is so willfully twisty turny in his story telling, it leaves precious little space for atmosphere and character investment.

Old Who-ers are always very rude about RTD's tenure, but at least his Who seemed to have space to breath, with quiet moments of intimacy and observation that almost made up for all the bad science and magic wand resolutions.

In the end I think the problem is that in Steemo's head these stories are an hour and a half to two hours long, when the reality is that they occupy half the needed time - a very lean (and mean) 45 minutes.

Strictly Come Dancing or The Voice are afforded more time - which is a crime - but then again they don't have to accomodate 15+ minutes of imaginary ad space so that their shows will fit into the American hour long programme slots...

This my attitude to the whole of Season 7, if not the whole of Moffat's stewardship.

His ambition to make the show more cinematic in scale and breadth, right down to having movie style posters for each of the episodes, is entirely undone by having to cram it all into 45 minutes or (often) less. What we are left with feels like a sort of Reader's Digest version that barely covers the pertinent plot points, and, as Mo-fo is so willfully twisty turny in his story telling, it leaves precious little space for atmosphere and character investment.

Old Who-ers are always very rude about RTD's tenure, but at least his Who seemed to have space to breath, with quiet moments of intimacy and observation that almost made up for all the bad science and magic wand resolutions.

In the end I think the problem is that in Steemo's head these stories are an hour and a half to two hours long, when the reality is that they occupy half the needed time - a very lean (and mean) 45 minutes.

Strictly Come Dancing or The Voice are afforded more time - which is a crime - but then again they don't have to accomodate 15+ minutes of imaginary ad space so that their shows will fit into the American hour long programme slots...


that is what bugs me the most that the 15 minutes only seems to not be there because of international concerns... [ this is worse than any US influence that was employed in the movie] you are playing with time structure. Heck Bloke's 6+1
got full hours when it appeared. I think every episode this season could have used an extra 15 minutes at least... with the last one needing a full 2 parter...
the Red Scare episode skirted around doing flashbacks... highly annoying when you see a good season in there just out of reach

Wait, wait, wait, wait... Let me see if I understood well.

Do you mean... the Other?

yes or no

He could refer to the Other if he existed - depends on canon and what you regard as canon - or simply, well simply in lack for a better word, a douche of a Time Lord the Doctor no longer wants to be associated with.
I read somewhere, can't remember where sadly, that the Doctor and the Master who were friends on Gallifrey, became friends because they were so similar, smart, manipulative and cruel. The first, earliest Doctor was a bit like that at the beginning, just think of the stone age man he almost killed, but he turned away from the man he once was and turned into the Doctor.


and as for the whole last season...I think I figured out what feels off about the last episodes, and in fact all the bad ones.
Rather than telling a story and let it go places, it feels like Moffat decided that the episode must contain a certain line or image, and the whole episode has to be strung along, so that this point is reached. It's not a story, but a vehicle anymore, taking us to this one point.
They all feel less like a story and more like "ok, we want to have this reveal, how do we get it?" and tailor a story around this point, adding it retroactively.


like in Nightmare in Silver, it feels like the whole "Oh, he's the emperor" reveal was something they just wanted to put in there, and tailored the rest around it

Apparently according to the Beeb site, "more's in store for the medic's half-centurnial" than the three things we know about (AJTSAT, the 50th, and the christmas one).

Apparently according to the Beeb site, "more's in store for the medic's half-centurnial" than the three things we know about (AJTSAT, the 50th, and the christmas one).

That news has me on the roof of the world.

That news has me on the roof of the world.

Let's just hope it means something actually good for all fans, and not just a few conventions or something, because as much as I love to go to one I simply don't have the funds to do so.

I have Yet Another Theory ...


The Moff has a grand army of interns whose sole purpose in life is to scour various forums, read as many DW related blogs as they can, and tick of each Theory in turn.

And each time brand new Theory is discovered, SM crosses it off his "list of story resolutions"

Hence why his resolutions are always head-scratchers as all the sane ones have been taken ...



all i can see is you dress up like John Cleese in drag saying this i have a theory and it is mine... are you sure youre name isn't Anne Elk?

anyone else having trouble getting ep 5 of min1st#r-of-ch@nce?
i can't even access the main site

I can get to the main page for ep 5 here (http://www.ministerofchance.com/The_Minister_of_Chance/Episode_5.html), but when I click download it tries to dl number 4.

(I just generally can't do itunes)

After watching the latest for the third time, he are my thoughts on the whole thing.

THINGS TO REALLY GET EXCITED ABOUT!
1. The opening scene was incredible and almost had me cheering. To see Hartnell and hear his voice from the very first scene of the original series was incredible!
2. I liked the idea of how Clara ended up being everywhere at once. It was original and I like to be surprised.
3. I'm intrigued about the mystery "doctor" who's not a doctor. I'd vote for 8th consciously regenrating because he couldn't deal with the moral implications of the TW and then regenerating immediately after time-locking everybody because he couldn't live with himself. There was something about 6 possibly regenerating willingly to thwart the possibility of him actually becoming the Valeyard which would make the Valeyard a hypothetical future doc that 6 avoided by forcefully regenerating into 7.

MISSED OPPORTUNITIES
1. Seeing some good companions at the conference call. You can't tell me that they couldn't have worked something out and had SOME really good companions there. I mean Clara is the current companion so she had to be there, but Vastra, Jenny and Strax??? Not exactly in the same league as Ian, Barbara, Jamie, Jo, Tegan and many others. Although I have to say I enjoy immensely the Strax character :)
2. Resolve the River situation. The mentionnng of "spoilers"! is the proof that we haven't seen the last of her. The constant reminder that she is in the Library and somehow projecting herself tells me that somehow she'll be back, sooner probably than later.

THINGS I DON'T GET
1. The whole passionate kiss deal. Since when is the Medic actually in love with River? I think that trust grew along the way and they did "marry" but wasn't that all to fool the Silence. I think that was stretching things a little.
2. Why did the big baddy have to be the G.I.??? And why have the whispermen in there? Totally useless monsters. This felt to me like a grand play and I think someone like the Master would have been awesome. It's so twisted and dark!
3. And the more obvious: THIS IS JUST ANOTHER DAMN STORY THAT ENDS WITH THE DOCTOR BEING TOTALLY SCREWED AND HAVING A COMPANION TAKE CONTROL OF THE ENTIRE STORY AND SAVING HIS LIFE. Another Rose, or missionary Martha, or super Donna. I'm just sick of those stories. I want to see the Medic shine, not have him crying on the floor waiting for someone to save him!

The more I read people saying it was the best episode ever, the more I wonder if there is something wrong with me. I watched it for a third time last night and it didn't seem as bad, but I still feel like I'm missing what everyone else is seeing. I know the ending was meant to be a massive shock/lead in to the special, but it felt a little like Utopia without the build up to the big reveal.... Almost like it was missing some things during the episode that would have made the ending less 'oh that felt tagged on' and more 'oh so that is what he was gearing up for'

Also I know people are saying the Whisper-men were great, but that rhyming stuff just felt a little too much like Dr Seuss to me

the Whisper Men just reminded me of The Trickster and that excessive rhyming reminded me of Zagreus.

Just like to say to my gay friends, I look forward to getting invites to your weddings in the UK very soon XXX

I have been thinking about a few things

I think the Doctor was meant to die and 11 was his final life but Clara saved or has now changed something to save him and let him live on.

When the tardis crash lands and they exit we see the broken glass window on the tardis, well go look at the huge tardis grave its exactly the same tardis even has the broken glass window the exact same window broken, even the insdie is the same as the 11th Docs tardis.

Clara only see incarnations of the Doctor up to and including 11. Clara even said something "I've seen all your faces, all eleven" and the reason she does not know who the JH doctor is is because she has re written something that allows the 11th Doc to live instead of dieing and now theres been a side effect of that happening hence the mystery DOC.

Also look closely to what JH doc is wearing looks like yes its a neck scarf shirt like the 8th docs and is that a leather jacket from 9th doc more worn out but is sure looks like it.

---------- Post added at 04:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:19 PM ----------

Heres something that goes back to Silence in the Library, could the Vashta Narada, the shadow beings in the library, that are a non-corporeal predatory species that first begins to attain sentience in contact with the Library and the Doctor, could they have evolved to become the Great Intelligence?

Just like to point out one thing - the medic doesn't necessarily regen into a young man (eg 3rd) so JH could be pre-first, with 1st being a fresh or near fresh regen that decides he doesn't want to associate with the TLs anymore because of something he was forced to do as JH. Therefore JH wasn't the medic as WH's character was the first.
What happened that made WH's medic take his granddaughter and leave Falligrey?

Just like to point out one thing - the medic doesn't necessarily regen into a young man (eg 3rd) so JH could be pre-first, with 1st being a fresh or near fresh regen that decides he doesn't want to associate with the TLs anymore because of something he was forced to do as JH. Therefore JH wasn't the medic as WH's character was the first.
What happened that made WH's medic take his granddaughter and leave Falligrey?

And what's to say that this is his first incarnation in this form?
Maybe he's had a few lives pre-Doctor...this could help explain the faces shown in his mind battle with Morbius.

Alternatively, he could well be a twelfth or later Doctor which the 11th does recognise because he saw him in the 50th special when he was the 10th and therefore remembers the events.

Or he might be a late 8th, or an altenative dimension Doc.......or something completely different.

Hopefully it will all make sense later in the year!

And what's to say that this is his first incarnation in this form?
Maybe he's had a few lives pre-Doctor...this could help explain the faces shown in his mind battle with Morbius.

Alternatively, he could well be a twelfth or later Doctor which the 11th does recognise because he saw him in the 50th special when he was the 10th and therefore remembers the events.

Or he might be a late 8th, or an altenative dimension Doc.......or something completely different.

Hopefully it will all make sense later in the year!

Have to admit that the battle with Morbius has always been a big loose end for me although i doubt that nu-who will want to go that far back. I do think on the other hand that something might be said about the TW. For the 50th, I think that will be adressed in some way and we will see the return of Gallifrey. The fact that through the Medic's actions Gallifrey was lost and all (more or less) of the Dalek race was destroyed, is enough for him to disassociate from himself. What he did, he had no choice in doing, that much 10th said already. with the meta-idiot, 10th did say he had to be locked away because he could not be allowed to continue because he was born of rage an in the war. could it be that JH was also born during the war? could it be that 11th knows exactly how bad he can get when born into that kind of setting? Could it be he didn't want the meta-idiot to turn into another JH version of himself? Maybe in a moment of enlightenment, maybe remembering who he was pre-TW, JH did commit suicide and forcefully regenerated because he couldn't accept his own part in the TW. He is the destroyer of worlds, the destroyer of his own people, etc...

Finished 3rd's Silurians. Interestingly, he said to Liz that the virus was nothing like anything he had ever seen in his lifetime, and "that covers several thousand years"....so, the third maintains at that point he had lived several thousand? hmmm...

But is that a thousand of our years, Gally's years, another planets years? :)

The universal translator adjusts the math.

Gallifreyan years are converted into human years and vice versus.

Ditto for Cyber years, Dalek Years, Silurian years and draconian years.

Ditto, ditto ditto.

A lot of rounding, I'm assuming to avoid massive fractions.

Still. All very vague. Also, in the Three doctors, both doctors two and three seem amazed to meet Omega, having considered him a hero and legend. If he had been around with them, then why act like that?. I mean, with others maybe, but why between himselves?

I can get to the main page for ep 5 here (http://www.ministerofchance.com/The_Minister_of_Chance/Episode_5.html), but when I click download it tries to dl number 4.

(I just generally can't do itunes)

It is working fine for me as a link from the main Minister of chance webpage

Downloading it now

Swannieau

Still. All very vague. Also, in the Three doctors, both doctors two and three seem amazed to meet Omega, having considered him a hero and legend. If he had been around with them, then why act like that?. I mean, with others maybe, but why between himselves?

Unfortunately, there have been so many writers over the years that if we start looking for coherence between eras, it's quite a chore. About the Medic knowing Omega, Rassilon and the like, well you have to maybe think about the passing thought he had about the stellar manipulator as 7th. "We really messed that up" or something of the like. At his 7th incarnation, he sure seems to know more than any other of his selves. Could he be remembering things from his own past? Remember 1st didn't even know how to drive the tardis although he seems to have been brilliant even if he didn't score too well at the academy exams. Although 1st is portrayed as brilliant, especially in 3 medics and 5 medics, it sure seems like he suffered from *something*. I can't portray a TL running away in a time capsule he can't even drive! Could it be that 1st is suffering from some kind of memory loss due to some particularly traumatic events that brought about his leaving Gallifrey? Truth is we know practically nothing of the circumstances which brought him to i.m. junkyard. the classic series sort of hinted at those circumstances from time to time, ie. war games, five medics but nu-who hasn't shown any kind of interest in that period, focussing on the TW.

Well, I was thinking. The doc has a granddaughter, so must have had a wife and daughter. If perhaps something happened to them, and the time lords did not intervene, that could be the trigger. Or, if Susan's mom died, and first was left to care for her, perhaps he decided staying on Gallifrey would be a waste, and he decided to show her the universe.?
Or maybe we have it wrong. Susan was not from Gallifrey, but got there somehow, and the Doc was trying to get her away with memory intact, much as the second with Jaimie and Zoe. To me, that actually could make sense, though many versions have admitted to having had "family'.

**am dreading the technicolor coat stories**
Concentrate on CB's performance and try and ignore the stories. Oh and you will get Sil in VoV, thats just brilliant

not make any real damn sense at all
given Muffet's recent efforts, this is almost inevitable. (why cant amy and rory go to washington and get picked up by the TARDIS?)


medic 11 i think 1 more series is going to be the perfect ammount for him as long as his performance is solid....[ seriously that is what is carrying the show right now]
So true! Others have said here that MS still feels new in the role. I think this is because we all love what he is doing in the role but to some extent "edit out" all the truly appalling episodes from our minds. Suddenly it feels like he's barely done one season.


Only downside for this would be the casual viewer would be VERY confused at what is going on.
It's the 50th. If there is one episode that should be FOR the fans and screw the casual viewer it is this.
Let those who onnly dip in and out, those who think that CE started the show, those who think "that blue box is a pretty colour"....
let them see that this is a show with history, a show with a long and honourable past, a show with depth.
a complex history, a past worth exploring, and profound depth allowing the telling of such stories...
just this once, SCREW THE CASUAL VIEWER!


minutes of imaginary ad space so that their shows will fit into the American hour long programme slots...
you mean there's a way to blame the americans.......hmmmm


Just like to say to my gay friends, I look forward to getting invites to your weddings in the UK very soon XXX
not passed quite yet, but hopefully soon
tbh it's starting to be embarrassing that as a country we haven't done this yet. whether we are or not, we like to think of ourselves as a leader in the world on issues of tolerance. but we are going to be, what 15th, 16th.....even the french have beaten us ffs

So, for JH the basic theories so far seem to be
medic 8.5
medic 0
medic 12.5 (valeyard)
medic 8, but old
something else
I have a horrible feeling that its going to be 8.5, that the medic simply denies as part of him. like a child pretending that they didn't do the naughty thing. if this is the case then muffet will never be able to redeem himself in my eyes

Regarding the identity of JH:
I immediately leapt to the idea of him being 8.5 - but didn't like it because it messed with the repeatedly established fact that there was no-one else between 8 and 9, and the idea of him just being a sort-of "disowned" Medic just seemed like the most fanwanky of retcons imaginable.
But then the idea of him being Medic 0 was raised, and I find that much more appealing. Especially since it would be wrong for the 50th to revolve in some way around the Time War - since that premise has nothing to do with the classic series. If he's Medic 0, then that sets up a chance of dealing with the show's entire history.

i feel the same too, vertigo
i like to think that the reason why he left gallifXXX and the reason why he "disowned" JH is the same

Still. All very vague. Also, in the Three doctors, both doctors two and three seem amazed to meet Omega, having considered him a hero and legend. If he had been around with them, then why act like that?. I mean, with others maybe, but why between himselves?

The mental link... CONTACT!

The blocks in 3's brain would have been confusing and scary to the other two, and they might have decided to play along with the Timelord's boudaries forced inside his brain, like how it's dangerous to wake sleepwalkers.

Follow this link to get to mini*ster of cha*nce ep5.

HOME - ministerofchance (http://www.ministerofchance.com/#/download/4575649404)

After watching the latest for the third time, he are my thoughts on the whole thing.

THINGS TO REALLY GET EXCITED ABOUT!
1. The opening scene was incredible and almost had me cheering. To see Hartnell and hear his voice from the very first scene of the original series was incredible!
2. I liked the idea of how Clara ended up being everywhere at once. It was original and I like to be surprised.
3. I'm intrigued about the mystery "doctor" who's not a doctor. I'd vote for 8th consciously regenrating because he couldn't deal with the moral implications of the TW and then regenerating immediately after time-locking everybody because he couldn't live with himself. There was something about 6 possibly regenerating willingly to thwart the possibility of him actually becoming the Valeyard which would make the Valeyard a hypothetical future doc that 6 avoided by forcefully regenerating into 7.

MISSED OPPORTUNITIES
1. Seeing some good companions at the conference call. You can't tell me that they couldn't have worked something out and had SOME really good companions there. I mean Clara is the current companion so she had to be there, but Vastra, Jenny and Strax??? Not exactly in the same league as Ian, Barbara, Jamie, Jo, Tegan and many others. Although I have to say I enjoy immensely the Strax character :)
2. Resolve the River situation. The mentionnng of "spoilers"! is the proof that we haven't seen the last of her. The constant reminder that she is in the Library and somehow projecting herself tells me that somehow she'll be back, sooner probably than later.

THINGS I DON'T GET
1. The whole passionate kiss deal. Since when is the Medic actually in love with River? I think that trust grew along the way and they did "marry" but wasn't that all to fool the Silence. I think that was stretching things a little.
2. Why did the big baddy have to be the G.I.??? And why have the whispermen in there? Totally useless monsters. This felt to me like a grand play and I think someone like the Master would have been awesome. It's so twisted and dark!
3. And the more obvious: THIS IS JUST ANOTHER DAMN STORY THAT ENDS WITH THE DOCTOR BEING TOTALLY SCREWED AND HAVING A COMPANION TAKE CONTROL OF THE ENTIRE STORY AND SAVING HIS LIFE. Another Rose, or missionary Martha, or super Donna. I'm just sick of those stories. I want to see the Medic shine, not have him crying on the floor waiting for someone to save him!

I sorta like the idea of the passionate kiss for River... it wasn't passion for him.... it was for her. He did it to put her echo at rest. Plus the fact that he has feeling for her and the fact that she is a link to Amy & Rory..

And to the point of the GI being the big baddie... i like the idea --if only for the fact that we may get a Yeti story again someday... and thankfully in this series of 8 there were no Daleks... this series as a whole impressed me with the re-invention [without losing anything] of the Ice Warriors

But i just feel every episoide is cramped

---------- Post added at 07:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:25 AM ----------

Medic JH --- i am either of the mind that he is the same being but not THE Definite Article as Hartnell is the first one who took the "title" of The Medic

or maybe this can relate to the faces we see in Morbius that Hartnell not only stole a TArdy box but he acquired a whole new series of Regens... and even hid them from the Time Lords... and from himself and only learned of his actions during the Time War..
Hence the state that 9 was in and the fact that 9,10,11 have become even more emotional


either.. isn't it amazing how much we are going to have to talk about until November?

and look at all the LC goodness that is coming... [ an aside here.. i am sure that given the Briggs connection in Cardiff the LC anniversaries audios will give us clues of what isn't going to happen as will try the damnest not to contradict each other in the long term.] so those CC's and Light at the End may give us little non hints

I felt Medic 1 left at a good time
medic 2 i could watch forever.. but frankly he left at a good time as well
medic 3 probably outstayed his welcome by 1 year
medic 4 outstayed by 2 years but that last season was bloody brilliant
medic 5 need 1 more year
medic 6 alas need 3-4 good years and not the ones he got...
medic 7 probably the best plan was the plan to end his run after one more year
medic 8 is one i wish we could get some specials to give him some face time
medic 9 tough one... great season... i think was the right decision... possibly might have worked better with 2 years
medic 10 the decent we saw during the special year should have been planned better... but he left at the right moment
medic 11 i think 1 more series is going to be the perfect ammount for him as long as his performance is solid....[ seriously that is what is carrying the show right now]

I quite agree with that list there and the comments you've made.

---------- Post added at 09:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:38 PM ----------


I sorta like the idea of the passionate kiss for River... it wasn't passion for him.... it was for her. He did it to put her echo at rest. Plus the fact that he has feeling for her and the fact that she is a link to Amy & Rory..

And to the point of the GI being the big baddie... i like the idea --if only for the fact that we may get a Yeti story again someday... and thankfully in this series of 8 there were no Daleks... this series as a whole impressed me with the re-invention [without losing anything] of the Ice Warriors

But i just feel every episoide is cramped

---------- Post added at 07:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:25 AM ----------

Medic JH --- i am either of the mind that he is the same being but not THE Definite Article as Hartnell is the first one who took the "title" of The Medic

or maybe this can relate to the faces we see in Morbius that Hartnell not only stole a TArdy box but he acquired a whole new series of Regens... and even hid them from the Time Lords... and from himself and only learned of his actions during the Time War..
Hence the state that 9 was in and the fact that 9,10,11 have become even more emotional


either.. isn't it amazing how much we are going to have to talk about until November?

and look at all the LC goodness that is coming... [ an aside here.. i am sure that given the Briggs connection in Cardiff the LC anniversaries audios will give us clues of what isn't going to happen as will try the damnest not to contradict each other in the long term.] so those CC's and Light at the End may give us little non hints

I quite agree with you here too. Yes, I would love to see Yetis again!

I quite agree with that list there and the comments you've made.

what we have to remember is that in the early year both medic 1 and 2 had the equivalent of 4-5 years [which to me is the perfect amount based on performance....story quality is another matter.] some of my favorite stories from each medic are on the tail end of their runs...

Does anyone out there by any chance have any of the Extended Extras from L-c's main range from this years' releases at all. Would appreciate it if anybody did. Thanks in advance.

Sorry for posting this but I just found the YouTube Muppet channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/MuppetsStudio?feature=watch

---------- Post added at 03:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:01 PM ----------

One mean Tornado, heart goes out to those affected.

Yeah, I don't think your winding us this up but I'd be interested as to where you picked up this little nugget.

Oh crap! Skutter's here ... RUUUUN :p

I missed this the first time round.......

All I have to say is RUNNING won't help.

Seems the true ending of 'The Name Of The Doctor' has been shown. Apparently they chickened out with this version and went for the John Hurt one as to make it less controversial

Seems the true ending of 'The Name Of The Doctor' has been shown. Apparently they chickened out with this version and went for the John Hurt one as to make it less controversial

Haha!
This gives another possibility........as if!
JH being an older (or regenerated maybe) version of the movie Doc....bringing together these different takes on the Doc.....parallel universes? alternate timelines? altered memories?
Rule number 1....The Doc lies!

I just thought of something........ if this is a forgotten medic..... then this will be the 4th Medic #9 Rowan;Richard;Chris and John....

.. and not forgetting Ms Lumely! :)

she isn't a 9...well she is "10" but she was the 13..... but even Richard was a 9 AND 11 [[ and remember that was written by muffett...

Nells, this may seem out of the blue, but I've been out of the loop for audios for awhile, but would it be possible for a re-up of post 11971? If not I understand, but I've listened to some of your other work, and would love to give these a listen.

Nells, this may seem out of the blue, but I've been out of the loop for audios for awhile, but would it be possible for a re-up of post 11971? If not I understand, but I've listened to some of your other work, and would love to give these a listen.

RWQ

Also included are some LC-style cover art templates, for those interested. Initially included due to a PM request, but figured I'd justb e lazy and use the same link and give you all some goodies :P
<!--http://www.sendspace.com/file/hu9du4-->

Thank you kindly my good sir, I will enjoy listening to these very much.

So it's my 30th birthday today, I hope it's better than Dimensions in time!!!!

what we have to remember is that in the early year both medic 1 and 2 had the equivalent of 4-5 years [which to me is the perfect amount based on performance....story quality is another matter.] some of my favorite stories from each medic are on the tail end of their runs...

When you look at the amount of stories they pumped out back then, with what they had available to them too.

---------- Post added at 04:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:06 PM ----------


So it's my 30th birthday today, I hope it's better than Dimensions in time!!!!

Oh how young you are. Have a 5 Medics type day then!

Happy 30th.
I'm starting to feel old now...

Starting? I passed his happy 30th over a decade and a half ago....**sigh**

Starting? I passed his happy 30th over a decade and a half ago....**sigh**

Touche

Just wondering, but has anyone gotten the soundtrack for "The Croutons" yet? I've been awaiting it with bated breath. Also, finally got to see the s7 finale last night. Helluva revelation! Makes me wonder how it's all gonna turn out come the 50th... XD

Starting? I passed his happy 30th over a decade and a half ago....**sigh**

As you are the creator (of this thread) i assumed you had always existed. All praise to the neon-pelted creator.

Has anyone posted the new quattro medic story "ghosts in a trench" yet?. I'm starting to think i've missed it.

When you look at the amount of stories they pumped out back then, with what they had available to them too.

---------- Post added at 04:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:06 PM ----------



Oh how young you are. Have a 5 Medics type day then!

I just had my 30th and I went 5 Medics with it, most fun I've ever had for my birthday.

Thanks for birthday messages. I went and saw Bonnie lang*ford in spam*alot. Was very funny. Thank you. I went 5 medic for defo, especially in forbidden planet!!!!

RWQ

Also included are some LC-style cover art templates, for those interested. Initially included due to a PM request, but figured I'd justb e lazy and use the same link and give you all some goodies :P
<!--http://www.sendspace.com/file/hu9du4-->

speaking of the templates, still waiting on 2, 4, 5, 6, & 7, just whenever u get them finished...your templates have really come in handy, i'm workin' on cover art for 11's run.

Am I right in thinking Amanda started this thread in the first place?
Starting? I passed his happy 30th over a decade and a half ago....**sigh**

Great Avatar anyway! And nice to see you back!

At one time, I had a ton of audio stories on the pc. I wanted to post them, and get rid of them for space reasons. Starting this seemed more appropriate than doing so in the soundtrack thread. I thought it'd be nice to have a corner for it. Same reason I started the custom covers thread, since so many members are making them, having an all in one place to show them all off made sense.