Here's my thinking on the spinoffs:
The fiery one was always meant to be a lot darker than Who is. That's one of the things I liked about it. Yes, it took some time to get into a groove and figure out its way, but most shows do. I agree with most of what Jawamaster said, including that CoE was absolutely incredible. The scenes with the truly alien alien in the smokey room were some of the most riveting television in years, as were the scenes of the government debating exactly which children to give up and the scenes of the government coming to round those children up. And the idea of using schildren as an addictive drug was fascinating! It wasn't perfect (what exactly was Jack's plan when he went in there to confront them, anyways? And the deus ex machina ending was quite a bit telegraphed, though it still had a strong emotional impact), but it was about as close to perfect as any other series I've seen.

The last MD season definitely went on a bit too long, which hurt it a lot. After the initial few really great episodes, it seemed to wander quite a bit. But there were really a ton of great ideas and moments and characters in it. Those scenes of Gwen on the plane and of Vera in the camps with the ovens were incredibly suspenseful and powerful. And I actually liked Jack's love story in the past. But the ending was really very weak, which is what most of us will remember. If the series had been distilled down with a few fewer episodes and a stronger ending, I think it would be much better regarded than it is.

SJA is on completely the opposite end of the spectrum. It's meant to be light and adventurous and most of all fun. Most of the episodes were eminently missable, but still quite fun. The big exceptions, though, were the annual two parter with Sarah facing off against the Trickster. Most of those stories were very smart, complex and well-written, especially for a kids' show. And they usually gave a lot more depth and background to Sarah Jane's character. The episodes with the Doctor, Jo and the Brig are certainly highlights, too.

oH dear. Has everyone heard the questionable news?

the SJA really could have had a spin off it self .... and still could

my idea is Te Adventures of Santiago Jones Clive and Rani Join Santiago and Jo Jones on a globetrotting "Young" Indy type series where they solve archeological mysteries of the supernatural and historical nature and every so often Luke and K-9 show up as Sarah is still raiging Sky back on Bannerman road

oH dear. Has everyone heard the questionable news?If you are speaking of the two misters...well one mister and one miss finally face to face in one story, then yes I have. Was just coming to report on it myself.

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And on the subject of the Burning Tree.....I could never get into it, and believe me I seriously tried. But I found it absolutely dull and dreary. I found show like X-Files, Babylon 5, and Farscape the same. They just never clicked with me.

oH dear. Has everyone heard the questionable news?


If you are speaking of the two misters...well one mister and one miss finally face to face in one story, then yes I have. Was just coming to report on it myself.

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And on the subject of the Burning Tree.....I could never get into it, and believe me I seriously tried. But I found it absolutely dull and dreary. I found show like X-Files, Babylon 5, and Farscape the same. They just never clicked with me.

I reported it yesterday (albeit in a "Spoiler"-free hidden tab (post # 3580747 (Thread 85235))

But, it WAS after a paragraph or so talking about Chuck Pollrrd, so... it could be easily missed.

Personally, I'm all FOR multi-MAZTRR stories!
Sadly, I just wasn't a SIMM fan.

I like my MAZTRRS to be tall, dark and bi-color-ghotee'd.
(Although, MIZZY does do a pretty good turn at it.)

What I'd LOVE is to have these last two MAZTRRS toghter and toss in "Crispy Bacon MAZZTR" (Jeff Beeverz is still around and doing it wonderfully for LC).
Heck, get Roberts to come on board (a perfect excuse to get Paul McGNN back for a guest spot).
And ANY excuse to have Derek Jacobi on screen is always welcome!
Just a big old TIM3L0RD jamboree!

Nice letters in latest DW Mag (#511) regarding last issues feature on videotaping DW. Mine got printed as well, but was hoping for a Star Letter. Still, nice to see it was included.
Recommend buying DW Mag lately (I get the digital and then the air freight newstand copy a week later) as the year of no Who hasn't been all that dull. And can't wait to get the Special Edition on DW Toys & Games.

I was pretty Who free all year in 2016, including the Mag. Lack of a book range which I usually impulse buy contributed to that too. I feel I've got a lot to catch up on, especially considering I lost literally everything I had digitally after two almost simultaneous hard drive failures, an exploding laptop battery and my uploaded archive of printed media and LC EDA stories disappeared off the web. Thank goodness bookshelves and DVD cabinets don't spontaneously explode during hiatuses. If not 2020 might be rough.

Nice letters in latest DW Mag (#511) regarding last issues feature on videotaping DW. Mine got printed as well, but was hoping for a Star Letter. Still, nice to see it was included.
Recommend buying DW Mag lately (I get the digital and then the air freight newstand copy a week later) as the year of no Who hasn't been all that dull. And can't wait to get the Special Edition on DW Toys & Games.

I love the DW Mag. Must say I like the Special Editions too. I think I read your letter in the latest mag - it was just under the star letter, I think (yes, I used to get a heap of video tapes to tape the show too). you were spot on with your observations of the kids nowadays.

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I was pretty Who free all year in 2016, including the Mag. Lack of a book range which I usually impulse buy contributed to that too. I feel I've got a lot to catch up on, especially considering I lost literally everything I had digitally after two almost simultaneous hard drive failures, an exploding laptop battery and my uploaded archive of printed media and LC EDA stories disappeared off the web. Thank goodness bookshelves and DVD cabinets don't spontaneously explode during hiatuses. If not 2020 might be rough.

So sorry to hear of your bad luck! I have to say I would prefer physical media over anything, but beggars can't be choosers. I try to have my files backed up on many different drives, which is expensive when you have to keep purchasing drives!

This weekend's LC sale is *very* nice!

This weekend's LC sale is *very* nice!

I agree.


BTW, has anybody come across the new Chaz P0ll@rd set yet? I'm beginning to think that nobody liked the first one enough to buy the second. It doesn't help that it got delayed either, I think.

I visited the Doctor Who Experience in Cardiff today. It was a fabulous day with clear skies and lots of people enjoying the warm spring weather. Lots of visitors from all over the World were there to see the exhibition before it closes in early summer. Quite a few dressed up for the occasion and one was exceptionally well dresses as DT.
Such a pity its going to close when it's so popular.

changed my mind....nothing to see here!

To avoid confusion, was going to say something but realised it was not relevant.

If anyone gets SFX magazine, my name is in it this month as co-writer of a book that got reviewed. Bit surreal tbh.

If anyone gets SFX magazine, my name is in it this month as co-writer of a book that got reviewed. Bit surreal tbh.

I get SFX.... PM me with book title so I can cast a scathing review on it lol (or so that I can know and maybe give you 2 and a half pence in royalties if I so choose)

addendum: just read the review whilst sat on the armitage shanks (if that confuses use google lol), and a 4 out of 5 review, which is very positive... well done mate! now when I buy this, there better be loads of children of the stones dot to dots and the owl service colouring pages for me!

I wrote both the Children of the Stones and Owl Service pieces but at no point did I think to put in a dot to dot or a colouring page. Kicking myself now. :)

I wrote both the Children of the Stones and Owl Service pieces but at no point did I think to put in a dot to dot or a colouring page. Kicking myself now. :)

Well that's one lost sale! unless you have a guide to Worzelise (?) in there... Bwor Ewor Ewor Twor Ewor Rwor dip Bwor Eworzel!

Well that's one lost sale! unless you have a guide to Worzelise (?) in there... Bwor Ewor Ewor Twor Ewor Rwor dip Bwor Eworzel!

Twor Hwor Ewor Rwor Ewor dip Iwor Sworzel.

If anyone gets SFX magazine, my name is in it this month as co-writer of a book that got reviewed. Bit surreal tbh.

Which issue?

Cancel that. I've found it. Congratulations on the book, it's a whopper isn't it! Sounds just like my kind of thing.

The latest one dated June 2017.

Twor Hwor Ewor Rwor Ewor dip Iwor Sworzel.

Swor Owor Lwor Dworzel!

I wrote both the Children of the Stones and Owl Service pieces but at no point did I think to put in a dot to dot or a colouring page. Kicking myself now. :)

Children of the Stones and The Owl Service are both on YouTube. Still haven't got around to watching The Owl Service, but read the book last year, so I'm interested in how it turned out. I love Children of the Stones, with the late Gareth Thomas.

A certain adventuress is now sitting on the dock of the Bay.

A certain adventuress is now sitting on the dock of the Bay.

Sweet.

I know I'm probably looking for trouble here, but just to ask a really wild question, what would people think if you were to put lotte pullhard 2gether with one of the newer medics that are out there, say the 10th or could you even return her to the 8th.
or maybe the first one somehow.
<www.sendspace.com/file/ikezc7>
Or the scot who isn't scottish could be with her as the second
<https://www.sendspace.com/file/1zr0t4>
or Tim the third
<www.sendspace.com/file/3i3tyu>
we do have a fourth
<www.sendspace.com/file/pajgno>
But just imagine putting her with the mouth and 5th
<www.sendspace.com/file/j96cmu>


Just my meanderings. Don't mean anything by it? ;)

Hi guys and gals. Just had a follow up visit to the surgeon at the hospital today. Turns out that I have a post-op infection, it's dislodged the spacer they put in my cochlear. I'm now on anti-biotics, but I also have to have more surgery early tomorrow to fix things up. No, I wasn't planning on doing anything in particular tomorrow Mr Surgeon. Oh well. Catch you on the flip-side. :)

OMG EM, and I thought I was having bad luck! Good luck, and a speedy recovery.

Hi guys and gals. Just had a follow up visit to the surgeon at the hospital today. Turns out that I have a post-op infection, it's dislodged the spacer they put in my cochlear. I'm now on anti-biotics, but I also have to have more surgery early tomorrow to fix things up. No, I wasn't planning on doing anything in particular tomorrow Mr Surgeon. Oh well. Catch you on the flip-side. :)

Sorry to hear that EM, wishing you a speedy recovery

I'm not sure if anyone enjoys Light Reprisals but there was an rewarding write quality one that I enjoyed perusing today.
<https://transfer.sh/15LDGC/Star%20Wars-%20Thrawn.epub>

I know I'm probably looking for trouble here, but just to ask a really wild question, what would people think if you were to put lotte pullhard 2gether with one of the newer medics that are out there, say the 10th or could you even return her to the 8th.
or maybe the first one somehow.
<www.sendspace.com/file/ikezc7>
Or the scot who isn't scottish could be with her as the second
<https://www.sendspace.com/file/1zr0t4>
or Tim the third
<www.sendspace.com/file/3i3tyu>
we do have a fourth
<www.sendspace.com/file/pajgno>
But just imagine putting her with the mouth and 5th
<www.sendspace.com/file/j96cmu>


Just my meanderings. Don't mean anything by it? ;)

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Cheers Robot D84

Thank you foru1.


And, thank you for the well-wishes. That's life, unfortunately! :)

Thank you foru1.


And, thank you for the well-wishes. That's life, unfortunately! :)

All the best EM, I wish you a speedy recovery. ;_;

Hi guys and gals. Just had a follow up visit to the surgeon at the hospital today. Turns out that I have a post-op infection, it's dislodged the spacer they put in my cochlear. I'm now on anti-biotics, but I also have to have more surgery early tomorrow to fix things up. No, I wasn't planning on doing anything in particular tomorrow Mr Surgeon. Oh well. Catch you on the flip-side. :)

Get well soon!!

Best wishes EM!

-

EM,

Find out if your surgeon charges by the hour.
Sheesh!
;-/

But seriously... good luck for you today.
With your positive attitude, I'm sure you'll make a speedy recovery!

Be well Exterminate Me!!! Wish you the fastest best recovery!!!

Thank you Robot D84!!!!

All the very best E.M.
Chin Up Mate.

Hi guys and gals. Just had a follow up visit to the surgeon at the hospital today. Turns out that I have a post-op infection, it's dislodged the spacer they put in my cochlear. I'm now on anti-biotics, but I also have to have more surgery early tomorrow to fix things up. No, I wasn't planning on doing anything in particular tomorrow Mr Surgeon. Oh well. Catch you on the flip-side. :)
As Five likes to say to folks, "Brave heart". Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Our thoughts are all with you EM!!!

Hang in there, EM!

(Have you suggested to your doctors that they consider reversing the polarity of the neutron flow?)

Best wishes EM.

Get well soon EM!

And chapeau to RD84 too.

Jeez, best wishes EM!

all the best EM!

Wish you the best EM!

That's life, unfortunately! :)


Life. Don't talk to me about life.

Take care EM

Pip Cliffhinch box set #3


RWQ

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wishing you the best EM.

All the best to you EM.

Many thanks to Spevman for PHP3!

Thanks spevman. Love to EM. Hope everyone else is ok.

CHEERS

Pip Cliffhinch box set #3


Thank you spevman!

Wow! Top marks spevman! Thank you on behalf of us all for your kindness.

Thanks spevman!

Thank you spevman!

Primary males inside Luna on sound tome harbour.

Best of luck to you, EM!

this is a gut feeling but ..... i'm starting to get the feeling that medic 8 is returning to the screen or we may be "revisiting old faces ala The Curator"
very cryptic comnment inb the podcasts lately ; coupled with PaullyMcG's comments on Loose Women and elsewhere and the reluctance of BF to state anything else for the 8th medic apart from the Time War box ..... very curious

Does anyone have monthly #65 that doesn't skip? I have a few copies and they all skip once episode 3 starts. I found one that was fine until the middle of the last episode and then that skips.

Thanks Spevman

Thank you everybody for your comments. Out of hospital late yesterday. Got to be good and take things easy now.

Thank you everybody for your comments. Out of hospital late yesterday. Got to be good and take things easy now.

Glad to hear it went ok. at least while you rest you can listen to medic as much as you like. :)

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Does anyone have monthly #65 that doesn't skip? I have a few copies and they all skip once episode 3 starts. I found one that was fine until the middle of the last episode and then that skips.

<www.sendspace.com/file/5mtg4t>


try this one, I don't know if it's any better or not.

Cheers everyone for the recent shares, hope you feel better soon EM - just one more sleep until new Medic!

I listened to the new Nointh Docter trailer, and, well, it had to be done. ()

I listened to the new Nointh Docter trailer, and, well, it had to be done. ()


i see this as a huge misfire.... i was cringing how bad it sounded

I listened to the new Nointh Docter trailer, and, well, it had to be done. ()

Just listened to it myself. ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Oh so true. What were they thinking?

I listened to the new Nointh Docter trailer, and well, it had to be done.If they couldn't do a full cast with Chucklestone then they shouldn't have even bothered.

If they couldn't do a full cast with Chucklestone then they shouldn't have even bothered.

Maybe the plan is to do it so badly that Chris gets offended and embarrassed by it so decides he'd better do them instead.

Terrible. You could be right timevortex!

Fraptuous Who Day, everyone. Here's hoping its a good one.

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Could it be true?The Mirror is reporting that Kris Marshall has been cast as the new Medic and will officially take over from Capaldi at series end, before the Christmas special. I know the reputation the Mirror has as a hack rag, but they do seem to have a reliable track record when it comes to breaking Who news.

I listened to the new Nointh Docter trailer, and, well, it had to be done. ()

Oh good grief!
Truly awful

Well that was disappointing. Going by first impressions I really don't think I'm going to like Bill. I found her more annoying than Adric or Martha.

Interesting meaning of Telos has come my way today. As you know, it's the planet of the original Cybermen who were seen during the regeneration from the 1st to 2nd Doctor. The end of one Doctor with a new beginning of other.
Telos means "an ultimate end or termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time), the last in any succession or series, that by which a thing is finished...".
Further than this, Telos comes from the Greek word Telelestai which can be found in the historical texts of Scriptures as "It Is Finished". Christians this weekend know this phrase as the last dying words of Jesus Christ on the cross before "regenerating" 3 days later.
And as the original Cybermen are paying a visit to the 12th Doctor at the end of series 10 and perhaps another regeneration (as in the series preview), could it be possible that naming the Cybermen's planet Telos wasn't just picked out of thin air, but has a meaning, namely, It Is Finished.
The end to a new beginning...
Happy Easter to all...

Interesting meaning of Telos has come my way today. As you know, it's the planet of the original Cybermen who were seen during the regeneration from the 1st to 2nd Doctor. The end of one Doctor with a new beginning of other.
Telos means "an ultimate end or termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time), the last in any succession or series, that by which a thing is finished...".
Further than this, Telos comes from the Greek word Telelestai which can be found in the historical texts of Scriptures as "It Is Finished". Christians this weekend know this phrase as the last dying words of Jesus Christ on the cross before "regenerating" 3 days later.
And as the original Cybermen are paying a visit to the 12th Doctor at the end of series 10 and perhaps another regeneration (as in the series preview), could it be possible that naming the Cybermen's planet Telos wasn't just picked out of thin air, but has a meaning, namely, It Is Finished.
The end to a new beginning...
Happy Easter to all...

Interesting. You've obviously put a lot of thought into that.

Actually, went to Easter service with mum (while my dad is in hospital). You can imagine my grin when Telos was mentioned in the message...lol.

Actually, went to Easter service with mum (while my dad is in hospital). You can imagine my grin when Telos was mentioned in the message...lol.

What a coincidence! I hope its a good omen.

Really enjoyed the new episode, Bill seemed far more down to Earth and relatable than any of the Moff's past female companions.

Really enjoyed the new episode, Bill seemed far more down to Earth and relatable than any of the Moff's past female companions.

I definitely agree.

Watched episode 1 as a download during lunch (Australian time 6 hours after broadcast) and then at 7.30pm on ABC TV with subtitle function on.
Really enjoyed Whovians, the ABC 2 TV extra after tonight's episode.
Just like sitting down with a group of friends discussing what you just saw.

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With those couple regenerations we've seen in the preview, I think...
we are all being lied to (Clara anyone...). PC will regenerate at the end of the series (they've said that), not at the Christmas Special as reported. Kris Marshall or simular will be the surprise regeneration that they couldn't do with Chris Eccelston and David Tennant. And he will finally be ginger. And young and brilliant again.

Interesting meaning of Telos has come my way today. As you know, it's the planet of the original Cybermen who were seen during the regeneration from the 1st to 2nd Doctor. The end of one Doctor with a new beginning of other.
Telos means "an ultimate end or termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time), the last in any succession or series, that by which a thing is finished...".
Further than this, Telos comes from the Greek word Telelestai which can be found in the historical texts of Scriptures as "It Is Finished". Christians this weekend know this phrase as the last dying words of Jesus Christ on the cross before "regenerating" 3 days later.
And as the original Cybermen are paying a visit to the 12th Doctor at the end of series 10 and perhaps another regeneration (as in the series preview), could it be possible that naming the Cybermen's planet Telos wasn't just picked out of thin air, but has a meaning, namely, It Is Finished.
The end to a new beginning...
Happy Easter to all...


Mondas... they came from Mondas :D Telos was they were frozen in Tomb.

This is from the Target book written by the authors.
"Centuries ago by our Earth time, a race of men on the far-distant planet of Telos sought immortality. They perfected the art of cybernetics—the reproduction of machine functions in human beings. As bodies became old and diseased, they were replaced limb by limb, with plastic and steel. Finally, even the human circulation and nervous system were recreated, and brains replaced by computers. The first cybermen were born."
What I don't really know is if Telos was actually mentioned in the TV version or not? It probably wasn't important to say that...
...just checked and you're right. So the book is wrong then. As it also says this, "Later, forced to leave Telos, the Cybermen took refuge on the long-lost sister planet of Earth... Mondas". I had thought that as well remembering Tomb and Attack references.

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This must be what I was thinking of...from Attack.
"‘There isn’t much to tell,’ he said. ‘As you know, we’re on our way to Telos, the Cybermen’s home planet.’‘
Adopted planet,’ interrupted the Doctor, turning to face the group. ‘If you’re going to tell the story, at least get it right.’".
Wonder which history came first then? Or why the creators said differently in their book? Very strange.

This is from the Target book written by the authors.
"Centuries ago by our Earth time, a race of men on the far-distant planet of Telos sought immortality. They perfected the art of cybernetics—the reproduction of machine functions in human beings. As bodies became old and diseased, they were replaced limb by limb, with plastic and steel. Finally, even the human circulation and nervous system were recreated, and brains replaced by computers. The first cybermen were born."
What I don't really know is if Telos was actually mentioned in the TV version or not? It probably wasn't important to say that...
...just checked and you're right. So the book is wrong then. As it also says this, "Later, forced to leave Telos, the Cybermen took refuge on the long-lost sister planet of Earth... Mondas". I had thought that as well remembering Tomb and Attack references.

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This must be what I was thinking of...from Attack.
"‘There isn’t much to tell,’ he said. ‘As you know, we’re on our way to Telos, the Cybermen’s home planet.’‘
Adopted planet,’ interrupted the Doctor, turning to face the group. ‘If you’re going to tell the story, at least get it right.’".
Wonder which history came first then? Or why the creators said differently in their book? Very strange.

I think they made a lot of it up as they went along. You've got to remember, that with Attack, you had Ian Levine advising, and a lot of his "continuity" was from memory.

I really liked the new episode.

As for Bill, I'd really like to see a new companion who keeps their own identity & personality. In the classic series, companions could be amazing or annoying but they always remained true to themselves. In the new series, no matter who they are, companions always end up becoming light-weight versions of The Doctor. They're proud of it & brag about it which always makes me cringe. Even companions from the classic series who left with their own identity & then turn up in the new series just morph into light-weight Doctors (with their own companions). For once, I'd like to see a companion who remains an individual & doesn't become so generic.

PS. I'm not knocking SJ, any of the kids or SJA in general, just the whole 'I've lost my own identity & now I'm The Doctor' thing.

Posted my opinion of the new episode on another site and now I'm being attacked by so-called fans who seem to equate disliking a single episode as disparagement of the series as a whole. I keep getting told "If you don't like the series go watch something else". NuWho fans are way to sensitive.

I really liked the new episode.

As for Bill, I'd really like to see a new companion who keeps their own identity & personality. In the classic series, companions could be amazing or annoying but they always remained true to themselves. In the new series, no matter who they are, companions always end up becoming light-weight versions of The Doctor. They're proud of it & brag about it which always makes me cringe. Even companions from the classic series who left with their own identity & then turn up in the new series just morph into light-weight Doctors (with their own companions). For once, I'd like to see a companion who remains an individual & doesn't become so generic.

PS. I'm not knocking SJ, any of the kids or SJA in general, just the whole 'I've lost my own identity & now I'm The Doctor' thing.

That wasn't SJS at all her identity always was to help others.... and in terms of gaining "companions" she did that long before the new series with Brendan and K-9

That wasn't SJS at all her identity always was to help others.... and in terms of gaining "companions" she did that long before the new series with Brendan and K-9

They all like helping people; that's not really what I'm talking about. If anything, SJS was the one who changed the most. After one meeting with the tenth Doctor, she went from terrified & learning as she went along to fearless & a complete expert on everything alien virtually overnight! As for K9 & Co, Brendan wasn't really a companion, just a supporting character. And K9 wasn't really her companion, she was his.

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Posted my opinion of the new episode on another site and now I'm being attacked by so-called fans who seem to equate disliking a single episode as disparagement of the series as a whole. I keep getting told "If you don't like the series go watch something else". NuWho fans are way to sensitive.

I don't know what the rules are in other places but I could never just 'go watch something else'.

in the weird world of "i didn't know that they were in that together"

i just happened upon a copy of the production of Hearts and Minds from the 90's and LC's Hex Mr Oliver is in it along with the 9th medic himself.

Posted my opinion of the new episode on another site and now I'm being attacked by so-called fans who seem to equate disliking a single episode as disparagement of the series as a whole. I keep getting told "If you don't like the series go watch something else". NuWho fans are way to sensitive.

You're not allowed to have an opinion I'm afraid! :(

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in the weird world of "i didn't know that they were in that together"

i just happened upon a copy of the production of Hearts and Minds from the 90's and LC's Hex Mr Oliver is in it along with the 9th medic himself.

Spooky.

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I really liked the new episode.

As for Bill, I'd really like to see a new companion who keeps their own identity & personality. In the classic series, companions could be amazing or annoying but they always remained true to themselves. In the new series, no matter who they are, companions always end up becoming light-weight versions of The Doctor. They're proud of it & brag about it which always makes me cringe. Even companions from the classic series who left with their own identity & then turn up in the new series just morph into light-weight Doctors (with their own companions). For once, I'd like to see a companion who remains an individual & doesn't become so generic.

PS. I'm not knocking SJ, any of the kids or SJA in general, just the whole 'I've lost my own identity & now I'm The Doctor' thing.

I'm with you. And, yes, SJS's character did change virtually overnight - I guess, faced with that one episode (School Reunion) it wasn't enough to see a gradual change, it just happened. It's like her character in both the radio plays in the 90's - they were off too. I'm glad we got the SJ Adventures though, I loved that.



And my thoughts on the episode. I quite enjoyed it, and it's made me hopeful for the rest of the series. It was more of an introductory episode though, for people new to the show, or as a jumping on point. Can't wait to sit down to an episode proper. Movellans - blink and you'd miss them, was expecting more, but it doesn't really matter. I thought Bill being gay was handled very well, very matter of fact, which is the way life is - it happens. I'll have to view again as to what's in store for the rest of the series though, I'm sure, they'll be videos on YouTube with analyses of that. *


*views are strictly my own and yours may differ, doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong, or vice versa, just that they're my opinions. You too are allowed your opinions.

*views are strictly my own and yours may differ, doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong, or vice versa, just that they're my opinions. You too are allowed your opinions.You're not allowed to have an opinion I'm afraid!
Sorry couldn't help myself. ;)

You're not allowed to have an opinion I'm afraid!
Sorry couldn't help myself. ;)

Well I know that I am not! lol

Bleh, back after some reconstructive surgery on the nerves in my hands left me more or less unable to type for a while...

So, I enjoyed the episode with one exception that I might get some flak for - but hey, that is why I will hide it in spoilers;

The issue of Bills sexuality and how big a point they made it really, really ruined the episode in many ways for me. It also made it a bit harder to watch with my kids because, well, Doctor Who is not meant to focus on that sort of thing. I recognize it HAS a BIT, but this episode worked hard to make sure you know that Bill is as gay as it is possible to be, and hey did you know she's gay.

Not to mention various other things; She is smart but unable to get into university so she works at a stand nearby and sneaks in, she has no parents so this somehow implies this made her gay, the short but palpable little fat shaming bit where she ditches a girl *she implies she made fat* for a newer/cuter model.


Outside of this, I liked the episode a good bit. Hell, I even like Bill when she isn't moaning about her various girlfriends. She is a refreshingly old school companion in that she is wide-eyed and we can rest easy knowing she won't somehow supplant the Medics place on the show, thus making him sort of pointless like... oh... Clara did.

....Unless they really pull something out of left field.

I agree with your comments about the sexuality. I thought I read they weren't going to make it a major part of the story and yet they did.

They also hyped up the pepper pots and the robots with the dreads but they only showed them for a few seconds which was disappointing.

It could have been better but we will see in the upcoming episodes......fingers crossed

I agree with your comments about the sexuality. I thought I read they weren't going to make it a major part of the story and yet they did.


Yeah, it was almost as blatant as the way they kept shoving Rory and Amy's sexuality in people's faces, what with them getting married, having a baby,telling each other they loved each other, separating, reuniting.

Rose and Mickey?
Rose and the Doctor?
Martha and the Doctor?
Amy and Rory?
Clara and Danny?
Yeah, how dare they bring up sexuality in Who.

It's funny how people only complain about these things when same sex couples are shown

And if you're worried about explaining it to your kids just tell them that sometimes girls fall in love with girls and sometimes boys fall in love with boys. It's not that hard.

Rose and Mickey?
Rose and the Doctor?
Martha and the Doctor?
Amy and Rory?
Clara and Danny?
Yeah, how dare they bring up sexuality in Who.

It's funny how people only complain about these things when same sex couples are shown

And if you're worried about explaining it to your kids just tell them that sometimes girls fall in love with girls and sometimes boys fall in love with boys. It's not that hard.

It's probably more due to the soap opera elements with nu-who that people have complained about since the series returned in 2005. I, for one, got sick and tired of Rose's or Martha's pining for the medic.

It's probably more due to the soap opera elements with nu-who that people have complained about since the series returned in 2005. I, for one, got sick and tired of Rose's or Martha's pining for the medic.

Don't have to worry about that happening with Bill, at least.

That is a very good point when you say about the soap opera elements. it sums it up in a proper way

I enjoyed the "Pilot" episode for what it was; a fresh start for (hopefully, new) viewers.
Of course, the plot was a bit thin and the more you look at it the less it IS a plot and the more it just MIMICS one.
(you see what I did there?)

I thought it was touching, overall.

But for the sake of spoilers, I'll hide my thoughts...


The Medic is "stuck" on Earth (for some mysterious purpose / promise); be it self-imposed "exile" or some imposed responsibility with whatever is in the vault.
He is doing what he likes to do; show off and pontificate to eager minds (so... students, ok, yeah).
He sees a promising, curious, differently-minded, laterally-thinking person and offers to tutor her. I like that. Strictly teacher/student. No Relative Dimensional excursions planned.

The relationship is shown to take some time to develop, and thankfully she isn’t whisked off in THE BOX upon their first meeting.

He even grows to have some caring for her (gives her [ok, well... "hides in the back of her closet"] the Christmas gift of photos of her mom) - although, I thought that she MAY have a moment where she thinks that since HE was in at least one photo - taking pics of her mom - that maybe he was her FATHER or something. Although, now that she's done some time-travel, it won't be a hard concept to grasp that he just went back in time in order to give her a gift.

Of course, she then may ask for a trip back to SEE her mum (but hopefully the Medic will remember how badly that went for R0$e).

As for Bill, I like her thus far.
I found that for the first teaser spots, that I initially thought I'd hate her, but subsequent trailers showed me that she was sweet and likable.

There was a bit of a hiccup in the writing when she speaks of "fatting" her "like a model" crush. THAT comment, followed quickly by her hitting on Heather (more on Heather in a minute) made it seem as if she was callously tossing aside the “fattie” for a newer model.

There WAS a quick scene snippet of the “fattie” on line for chips and the two exchanging a friendly smile, so perhaps that scene was to lessen the perceived slight.
But since it's a negative stereotype stigma that "gays will hit on everyone and aren't monogamous or committed to each other, only wanting a good time" I cringed a bit at the slight implication.
I'm sure it was NOT intended, but when dealing with subjects that aren't average mindsets, the story editors must be hyper-vigilant.

However, Heather… wow. Yeah, I’m sorry. I may need the Zero Room.

But the “threat” posed by the sentient oil puddle really wasn’t one. Not really. Well, ok… like the Medic said, “you killed one person, and that can’t be helped, but…” so sure. There was the threat that wanted/needed to absorb/replicate its pilot and passenger, but otherwise…there wasn’t much threat to anyone other than the doomed Heather and now Bill.
It was nice that the “threat" was merely due to the vestigial remembrance of the human pilot having made a promise to someone with whom she shared some emotion.

Yes, the lesbian thing was really a bit more involved in the story than Moff admitted, but I’m ok with it.

Anyone else getting a “Donna Noble” vibe off this new dynamic?
An “average, everyday” working girl, with a less-than-ideal mother, and no father.
Obviously, the very nature of the Medic is to broaden the horizons and perceptions of his companions, so I won’t add that to the comparison.

Did I mention Heather’s hotness? I did? Just making sure.

Nardole, I’m liking.
He was good in Mysterio and he was ok here.
They’ll build his purpose a bit more as the series progresses, I’m sure, but for now, he’s a sidekick Jimeny Cricket; part comedy-relief, part conscience/carer.
Cyborg body. OK. Fine. It was implied in Mysterio, and here they make sure to hammer it home.
Although, if it were ME, I’d have hoped for I’d get a better body than what I originally had, y’know?

One thing: they had Medic play the Beethoven’s fifth guitar sting while Bill was waiting, and that was one of the few times I cringed and said; “no.”
The other two instances were Nardole-related (the overly loud and obvious servo whirring when he first moves his arm. YES, we get it! Robot body!
and then when he’d following the Medic to the vault and he turns the wrong way. Yes, hilarious. Ha. Ha.
But when he SPEAKS, Nardole is a gem.

As for the quick jaunts to other times/places (Peppots and Dredbots and alien landscapes)... they were included for the "fresh start" aspect, introducing main players and teasing plot threads. It could have been handled better but it got the job done.

Capaldi was EXCELLENT. Across the board. He seemed to have been given some new revitalizing vigor for this, and was firing on all cylinders. He was vibrant and puckish in THE BOX, and when he was wounded (at the end) he was palpably emotionally hurt by the conflicted thoughts of those whose memories were wiped (including his own).

SO, that’s it. I’m curious as to the mystery of the vault, and look forward to that being revealed (hopefully in a clever and worthwhile manner).


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UPDATE:
NEW NEWS!!!

In what I can only headline as:
CIRCLE OF LIFE: The ULTIMATE Multi-Medic Story!

If true, this is pretty HUGE.
Spoilers and a link!


The FIRST MEDIC (played once more by David Bradley) is to team up with 12th to Save Gallifrey (as seen in DAY of the MEDIC).

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/first-time-lord-joining-peter-10244835

Hmmmm.....Assuming this is confirmed I wonder if the actress that played Susan will be back for another turn in the role.

in the weird world of "i didn't know that they were in that together"

i just happened upon a copy of the production of Hearts and Minds from the 90's and LC's Hex Mr Oliver is in it along with the 9th medic himself.


and then i was watching "an audience with Kylie minougue" and who should she invite up onstage to do the Locomotion but Mr Oliver himself....

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Well I know that I am not! lol


actually you think your opinion and you stature in the room tend to make you opinion something we have to drop everything and listen to you

please you seem to think your opinion has more weight based on what you have posted in the past... not saying you cant have it but you act like you are something special.
[and it is obvious to you too based on your own comment]

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I agree with your comments about the sexuality. I thought I read they weren't going to make it a major part of the story and yet they did.

They also hyped up the pepper pots and the robots with the dreads but they only showed them for a few seconds which was disappointing.

It could have been better but we will see in the upcoming episodes......fingers crossed

actually they did little to hype up the daleks and the movellans.... give examples beside a gun in a promo pic...

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Yeah, it was almost as blatant as the way they kept shoving Rory and Amy's sexuality in people's faces, what with them getting married, having a baby,telling each other they loved each other, separating, reuniting.


hell they made mini episodes where Rory was looking up her skirt and broke the Tar-is.... and then has The girl who waited makje eyes at herself while Rree had a fantasy about it.....


frankly it you don't like that Bill is gay justy say it... and dont try to say that this was in your face because it hardly was

Posted my opinion of the new episode on another site and now I'm being attacked by so-called fans who seem to equate disliking a single episode as disparagement of the series as a whole. I keep getting told "If you don't like the series go watch something else". NuWho fans are way to sensitive.

If you're talking about GB, it's essentially a cult now. But don't get discouraged. Remember, any time you post an opinion that isn't in support of the show or its producer, you waste 4 hours of Mr. Blum's day as he writes paragraphs to explain how your opinion is wrong. It is my strongly held belief that I have personally given him carpal tunnel syndrome.

And that's just it - we all have opinions. If you don't agree, there's no need to rubbish anyone's opinion. I personally thought that Bill being a lesbian was dealt with sensitively, and done in a much better way than say Cap'n Jock, after all the show is Medic What, not Carry on Medic What. I don't like the soap opera elements of the show since it's return. I wish it would return to its roots. I'd much rather it didn't focus on anyone's love or sex life. That's my opinion.

I guess time will tell whether the audience likes the direction of the show. And that will determine whether or not it remains on air. That's what matters in the end. I love the show, have done for as long as I can remember.


And, Waterboat, please don't get stuck into Jawamaster again. This forum is not for bullying, or putting people down.

Yeah, it was almost as blatant as the way they kept shoving Rory and Amy's sexuality in people's faces, what with them getting married, having a baby,telling each other they loved each other, separating, reuniting.

They even fucked in TARDIS at the end of S5! But I guess it's only wrong when it's not straight people.

They even fucked in TARDIS at the end of S5! But I guess it's only wrong when it's not straight people.

And don't forget that the 4th medic himself has said that he always had to go down on K9.....the only way to keep himself in shot!
Except when he was picking him up or had his hands inside him.

Admittedly nothing to do with Professor Whatsit but would anyone have the second series of End Fetcher or either series of Stan Risk?
Thanks.

I had two other plot (hole? mistake? unedited?) thoughts about PILOT.
And an observational thought or two.

See if you agree - after the SPOILER:



These are additional thoughts that I forgot to add to my previous post
# 37099.

SO when B!11 and Medic FIRST run into his BOX and she turns around for the reveal, he says "You're safe in here, and ALWAYS WILL BE."
But, why would he say "...always will be." if he had sworn off traveling around (especially with a companion)?
I think that was a line of dialogue that needed to be edited.

And, anyone else notice that no matter WHERE they ran to, B!11 would always end up gravitating to wherever there was WATER?
Aussieland? Watercloset.
Alien world? Water pool.

Although, we saw NO water in the M0v3LL@N base.

And WHY water?
It was already stated that it wasn't a water puddle creature, but an "oil slick" creature.
So, wouldn't it need to be places where there is "oil"?

Then, coming out of the mirror might make sense (not sure what the "silver" backing of mirrors is made of these days, so maybe some oil base in there).
And the alien world might not have been a water puddle, but some kind of oil.
THEN, the M0v3llan base would make sense, because of all the machinery, there'd be oil spills from all the damage done.

(And WHY does the "moist bink" [for all you Python fans] feel the need to shriek? Out of pain of incompleteness? Frustration?? Probably not. More like just a need to scare the audience.)

But, my BIG thought (and with a brain as small as mine, don't expect much) was that the photo of Susan and the time-travel to a point in time where the Doctor had already been (4th Medic could conceivably have been around the corner at any time in the MO/PEPPOT battle) be a teaser to the proposed "1st MEDIC" appearance when they go to save G-frey (where the attack eyebrows scene took place)?

That and the return of SIMMS opens the viewers' perception of a multi-Medic meeting of that magnitude.

I saw an online vlogger had pointed out on some set pics what HE thought was the back of an actor doing a "Roger Delgado" stance (and similar costume) standing alongside Mizzy, so... maybe MORE than one MAZTER?
Not sure if I buy into his theory, but it'd be interesting, to say the least.



Either way, I'm looking forward to this season/series!
I just hate to see P.C. go.

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Theres many episodes of the medic considered classic, like talons of wing chan, caves of anderzani etc. is there any episode in the "new series" that would stand up to those and be considered classic? and top a poll of best medic episode???

I was thinking about it today and realised I need to rewatch the whole lot again as nothing really sprang to mind.

Just thought I would throw it out there! :)

Fraptuous Who Day, everyone. Here's hoping its a good one.

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Could it be true?The Mirror is reporting that Kris Marshall has been cast as the new Medic and will officially take over from Capaldi at series end, before the Christmas special. I know the reputation the Mirror has as a hack rag, but they do seem to have a reliable track record when it comes to breaking Who news.


A ginger Doctor? Finally!

A ginger Doctor? Finally!

When kris Marshall left death in paradise I did put his name forward. maybe I should be a casting coach. lol.
Anyway nothing has been confirmed yet it is still speculation.

Theres many episodes of the medic considered classic, like talons of wing chan, caves of anderzani etc. is there any episode in the "new series" that would stand up to those and be considered classic? and top a poll of best medic episode???

I was thinking about it today and realised I need to rewatch the whole lot again as nothing really sprang to mind.

Just thought I would throw it out there! :)



Ahh so I am not alone in this train of thought! I have been saying this for years! we have had some potentially great medics, just hampered by so so script writers! Thank you for showing me that I am not alone in thinking this

If KM is the nu medic I'd be cool with it. He's a good actor and will do. the comedic and dramatic elements well. But I think they've missed a trick not getting a non-white or female medic. I mean for me it would be interesting to see a non-white/non-male medic in historical settings because the presumed authority a white male would carry particularly in Western European settings would be gone.

As for all time classic Nu stories, I'd probably say blink would have a fair crack at a very high place in a poll.

In my opinion I think perhaps Blink, The Library episodes, The Doctor's Wife, and the two recent Davros stories stand out as the cream of NuWho's crop, with only Blink reaching anywhere near classic series status.

Only ones for my taste that reach near classic level are Human Nature/The Family of Blood and Turn Left (even though its a spin on "Its a wonderful life"). Blink comes close for me, however it could have been a twilight zone or outer limits episode, By that I mean it was a great sci fi or fantasy tale, but not a classic who tale, if you get my meaning! However every ones tastes do differ and I am sure many would have different episodes that stand out to them.

I totally agree with your choices jawamaster. I'd personally also add GITF and SITL/FOTD to my all time list. Funny how I like the moff's standalone eps but have found his season long arcs disappointing.

I find I'm agreeing with you both, Webs01 and Jawamaster.

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Funny how I like the moff's standalone eps but have found his season long arcs disappointing.

Yes. I think I like him when he contributes those episodes, but not as a show runner. I probably lost interest after series six - that's when I last really enjoyed the show. This series shows promise though - I actually feel like I'm looking forward to the episodes for a change.

Hmmm...classic Nu-who for me...really enjoyed the Master, David T and Martha trilogy. And the almost Tennent regeneration was very big at the time as no one knew what would happen. But whether these are classics or really good media hyped cliffhangers, I don't know.
While not a classic, or a Kylie fan, I do recall watching the dvd opening of the Space Titanic at Christmas and just being so excited, happy, proud in seeing David T & Kylie M in the opening credits. That was a unbelievable moment, a turning point of how great DW can be.
I'm actually guessing that in order for something to be a classic, a certain amount of years has to pass. There really is no such thing as "watch this, it's a classic". Time is the essence here.

Hmmm...classic Nu-who for me...really enjoyed the Master, David T and Martha trilogy. And the almost Tennent regeneration was very big at the time as no one knew what would happen. But whether these are classics or really good media hyped cliffhangers, I don't know.
While not a classic, or a Kylie fan, I do recall watching the dvd opening of the Space Titanic at Christmas and just being so excited, happy, proud in seeing David T & Kylie M in the opening credits. That was a unbelievable moment, a turning point of how great DW can be.
I'm actually guessing that in order for something to be a classic, a certain amount of years has to pass. There really is no such thing as "watch this, it's a classic". Time is the essence here.

I have to agree with you too. The almost regeneration always sticks in my head too. And you're right, the passage of time is essential. It's hard to believe that 12 years have elapsed since the return now (in classic series time we'd be up to the end of Pert-wee's reign!). Maybe another eight years passage of time will do wonders for looking at things in hindsight.

Midnight is probably my favorite of the revived series. I'd call it a classic. I miss RTD.

They're Burning Trees on the ABB

Theres many episodes of the medic considered classic, like talons of wing chan, caves of anderzani etc. is there any episode in the "new series" that would stand up to those and be considered classic? and top a poll of best medic episode???

I was thinking about it today and realised I need to rewatch the whole lot again as nothing really sprang to mind.

Just thought I would throw it out there! :)

Didn't Blink win the last "best episode of all time" poll in DWM?

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Didn't Blink win the last "best episode of all time" poll in DWM?

There is a site of rankings (google will take you there) and the top of the pile mixes the best of nu and old: Blink, Caves, Empty Child, Talons, Day of Doc, Genesis, Human Nature, Fireplace, Library, City of Death, Pyramids, 11th Hour are the best stories in that survey.

Don't have the DWM results to hand but from memory the top stories were a similar bunch. IIRC the 50th "Day" was top story in the last DWM survey.

One thing I do think of the modern version is that they seem to have lost the knack a making a gripping title for the story! If you think back to many of the classic tales, they had great story names, many that you imagine could sit on a classic b movie poster, however the new version seems on the whole to have really bland titles or basic descriptions. Of course there are exceptions but the don't seem to have the same impact IMHO.

Some new classics for me include B@d W0lf/P@rting 0f the W@ys; Vince & D0c; D@y 0f Doc; N!ght 0f D0c (yes, it's a short but still brilliantly done); D00msday/Gh0sts; Ut0pia 3-parter; D0nna finale; He@ven Sent; Sch00l Reun!on; Empty Ch!ld .....to name just a few that come time mind.

Yes, forgotten about Midn!ght - enjoyed that too. How to make a low budget thriller!

Have to agree about story titles too. Loved some of the titles from the H!nchchl!ffe era!

I miss RTD.

In the end, RTD had to go. Tennant too. I loved every minute of Eccleston & the first 2 years of Tennant but after that he just became an over-the-top caricature of himself. Every episode (even the good ones) were just 30 minutes of running around pulling stupid faces & 15 minutes of saying goodbye to everyone & being really miserable. And was getting so sick of all that 'boo-hoo, I'm sad about The Time War' every bloody time! When Matt Smith turned up & didn't mention it, it was such a breath of fresh air.

I can't help but feel sorry for Moffat. When RTD left, he was the only choice to take over & it really did seem like it was the role he born to play. But he obviously hasn't enjoyed it & it really feels like the only reason he's stayed so long is because he knows he can do better & desperately needs to prove it before he goes.

In my opinion, I think a big part of the problem is that SM has been the show runner for 2 shows medic and sheerluck. And because of it both shows have suffered with huge gaps of no episodes. And when we did get episodes they have been somewhat rushed or overly convoluted.

It would have been better if he had just done one and someone else had done the other

Obviously Sheerluck has the added issue that its two stars have busy hi-profile movies careers and they have work around their schedules as well

Blink does stand out as a tale well told. I enjoyed it. my only worry with it, is that it's a classic top of poll story that hardly includes the medic.

makes me think that mission to the unknown would've been classic. If i'd got chance to see it. only seen cartoon version. :)

anyhoo, while we are all on the subject. what about LC's audios??? any classic stories there??? :)
One of my favs is the one doctor. I have this image of Chris Biggins flying around space time in a portaloo. lol.
Or Col Baker singing Gallifreyan buccaneer. lol


Day of the doc would go down well with me. John Hurt owned that episode. wish he had more tv time. :(

I don't know that I believe time needs to pass for something to be "classic".

(Oddly enough, however, many movies and shows that we deem as "classics" today were bombs or panned in the theatres/original airing (*cough*It's a Wonderful Life*cough*The Honeymooners*cough*The Wizard of Oz*cough*CITIZEN KANE*cough*)

Still, it MAY be that time needs to pass for it to be savored, passed around and appreciated by many, but I believe that some things can be "instant classics".

However, there are a few nuMedic eps that I'd deem instant "classics":

BLUNK - ironically, since the Medic isn't really even IN it much. It's a classic episode, but maybe not so much a Medic What classic. Take him out of it and it's a great idea for a film.

AFTERLIFE SHUNT - No way that isn't deemed a classic. Especially as it's pretty much ONLY the Medic (in direct contrast of BLUNK) - even if some of the premise is ridiculous and a simpler, faster escape was possible (write "carry a shovel EVERYWHERE" in the dust, and write it BEFORE you pull the lever. I mean, sure... you'll still take a long time to chip your way out, but anything is faster than just using your fist).

I'd also add:

CLOCK THEFT (a fun romp)

WOUNDED UNDEAD on the ASIAN FAST-LANE

and maybe:

TIME of the Medic
(I'd like to make it NAME, NIGHT, DAY, TIME of the Medic as one big arc, but...those others aren't as strong as "TIME of")

The two LIBRARY episodes

HUMMUN NATURE / FAM of HEMOGLOBIN (though I'd have preferred to see it as originally planned, with 7 [thank heavens for LC, who did just that])


There are certainly other episodes that I truly LOVE, but we're talking "classic" status here, so I don't know that I could justifiably add them.

I don't know that I believe time needs to pass for something to be "classic".

(Oddly enough, however, many movies and shows that we deem as "classics" today were bombs or panned in the theatres/original airing (*cough*It's a Wonderful Life*cough*The Honeymooners*cough*The Wizard of Oz*cough*CITIZEN KANE*cough*)


Blade Runner *cough cough* :)

anyhoo, while we are all on the subject. what about LC's audios??? any classic stories there??? :)
One of my favs is the one doctor. I have this image of Chris Biggins flying around space time in a portaloo. lol.
Or Col Baker singing Gallifreyan buccaneer. lol

They're 2 of my favourites as well. I think my absolute favourite is The Kingmaker.

They're 2 of my favourites as well. I think my absolute favourite is The Kingmaker.

Don't Remember that one. will make a point to re-listen to it.

Remember it now. Yep another good one. Is it just me or does the guy playing richard sound very similar to Chris Ecclescake. actually more so than guy playing wallace in the new 9th doc audio.

Aw, Kingmaker is fantastic, definitely in my top 5.

My all-time classic BFs are The Holy Terror and A Death in the Family, can't choose a favourite between them. Holy Terror manages to make me laugh and disturb me at the same time, and I found Family to be both super-tense and super-poignant, with a terrific villain.

I luv TOD as well. One of the first LCs I listened to and still do from time to time. I think my personal fave probably for nostalgia reasons is legend of the stockingheads. Also love Heroes of potatoheads, as well as the crimes of tb cos of all the companions and associates in that story (p.s. Bring back Menzies!). I think my fave LC stuff are actually the CCs.

Don't Remember that one. will make a point to re-listen to it.

Remember it now. Yep another good one. Is it just me or does the guy playing richard sound very similar to Chris Ecclescake. actually more so than guy playing wallace in the new 9th doc audio.

He definitely does! I had to look it up online to see if it was him. I'm in agreement with Jez about Death In The Family. A brilliantly complex story.

Honeymooners??? From wiki - "a ratings success—becoming the #2 show in the United States during its first season."

Blade Runner *cough cough* :)

John Carpenter's The Thing

New Trek Continues is up for those who care.https://youtu.be/GQeO5uuUbH4

In the end, RTD had to go. Tennant too. I loved every minute of Eccleston & the first 2 years of Tennant but after that he just became an over-the-top caricature of himself. Every episode (even the good ones) were just 30 minutes of running around pulling stupid faces & 15 minutes of saying goodbye to everyone & being really miserable. And was getting so sick of all that 'boo-hoo, I'm sad about The Time War' every bloody time! When Matt Smith turned up & didn't mention it, it was such a breath of fresh air.

I can't help but feel sorry for Moffat. When RTD left, he was the only choice to take over & it really did seem like it was the role he born to play. But he obviously hasn't enjoyed it & it really feels like the only reason he's stayed so long is because he knows he can do better & desperately needs to prove it before he goes.

and the case for high expectations almost every forum was putting down RTD at his end... and diefying Moffat as the Grand Moff [including this one]

For those interested, the latest Burning Trees just sailed into the bay ;)

and gone

It was also posted here yesterday :)

Thread 85235

Sorry. Missed that ... my fault for not paying attention :D

...and thanks btw

Honeymooners??? From wiki - "a ratings success—becoming the #2 show in the United States during its first season."

Hmm... perhaps. My error. Apologies.
I'll admit, I was never a fan of the show, so I may not be up on the particulars.
I only remember from a Ken Burns style PBS documentary series (Pioneers of Television) that stated the show quickly lost viewers.
That, and Gleason personally pulling the plug because he thought it dead-ended, idea-wise.


Here's a quote from the documentary site:

"Comedian Jackie Gleason had a well-rated variety show in 1955 that he gave up in favor of playing just one character: Ralph Kramden, a bickering bus driver who was the centerpiece of a new situation comedy, “The Honeymooners.” It was a bold move, but Gleason had already created the four core characters in CBS’ “Jackie Gleason Show,” and he understood the power a strong character and a continuing storyline can wield. While “The Honeymooners” didn’t catch on as he’d hoped — the groundbreaking sitcom finished after only 39 episodes — the episodes gathered a cult following and are now revered as some of America’s best classic television."

Here's a quote from a different site:

"But in the fall of 1955, rival network NBC moved its popular variety series The Perry Como Show to the 8 p.m. time slot on Saturday nights, and The Honeymooners started losing momentum. By September 1956, the show had dropped down to number 19 in the Nielsen ratings, and CBS was considering cancellation. Gleason, however, pulled the plug himself after 39 episodes, stating that the writers had exhausted all the possible plots for a half-hour sitcom."

But, still... if it was popular then, at the start, it was more likely due to Gleason's popularity as well as the dearth of programming back in those days, but just couldn't hold viewer interest when up against variety shows.


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BTW, I only BOLDED those two passages so that they wouldn't be lost in the text.
Not yelling.

Trust me, I have NO particular interest in being right or wrong about this.
Just mentioning the facts as I had them.

Just goes to show how ratings still are considered after all this time.

Thank you stupidbuttonmasher!! That was informative and enlightening. I am never opposed to learning.

Depends if you wish to explore this era further, but pre-dating The Honeymooners and The Flintstones is The Bickersons from radio. Internet Archive (moved to OTR) has about 39 episodes of a suffering snorer and a even more suffering wife. It was the template for what was to come. A simple Google search will find it. Look for the episode Car Repairs that is in stereo first (and where their white cat got to) as other episodes are a bit shoddy.
Just checked. Someone on YT has uploaded all available episodes. Look for a pink album cover for the Playlist.

Thank you stupidbuttonmasher!! That was informative and enlightening. I am never opposed to learning.

And I am never opposed to bloviating about things with which I know next-to-nothing.
Win-Win!
;-)

I grew up on OTR. And Don Ameche in The Bickersons was one of the first i ever heard.

Currently doing a really weird questionnaire about a ratshed. It's all a bit mixed up.

<Sicks for scarf - mp3 tracks - https://mega.nz/#!QjpQzTpa!Jqxb1btmkohGyRwL4FBNiF8kVsCA9gJGDrtISUK4WtI>
<Or m4b single track audio book - https://mega.nz/#!J2RhUJBQ!9d0EzuDJvCsc-DPY-46W9s7xpcLhFux4Q6910sEcvwQ>

Currently doing a really weird questionnaire about a ratshed. It's all a bit mixed up.
A ratshed, huh? Well, I wish you luck with that, and hope you can get it unmixed up.

Currently doing a really weird questionnaire about a ratshed. It's all a bit mixed up.

<Sicks for scarf - mp3 tracks - https://mega.nz/#!QjpQzTpa!Jqxb1btmkohGyRwL4FBNiF8kVsCA9gJGDrtISUK4WtI>
<Or m4b single track audio book - https://mega.nz/#!J2RhUJBQ!9d0EzuDJvCsc-DPY-46W9s7xpcLhFux4Q6910sEcvwQ>

---------- Post added at 09:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:13 AM ----------

Thanks for today's cryptic clue happyegg.

Currently doing a really weird questionnaire about a ratshed. It's all a bit mixed up.
I loved the questionnaire although it was a bit weird!

Currently doing a really weird questionnaire about a ratshed. It's all a bit mixed up.



Thank you. That is really a weird questionnaire :)

Thanks for bringing that questionnaire to my attention happyegg, really very good of you

Cheers, happyegg.

Rats... I probably won't be able to get to the questionnaire until early this evening.
I hope I don't miss out.

But still, thanks for it, happyegg.

----UPDATE----

YAY! I managed to sneak in some Rigorously Written Questionnaire time!

THANKS, happyegg!

New Medic & Friends Novels now on Vee Kay.

I don`t like rats or sheds but i do love blue sheds to keep my long scarf in!!
Cheers

---------- Post added at 04:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:40 PM ----------


New Medic & Friends Novels now on Vee Kay.

I can only find a trailer on there am i doing something wrong...heeeelp Please!,
Also anyone got Dean Daring 2?,
Cheers.

New Medic & Friends Novels now on Vee Kay.

Can someone message me what Vee Kay is - I thought I had it written down but I can't find it...

Checked VK, only see Trailer for story as of 2 pm US.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you've misunderstood what agent619 is telling you. They're referring to books. Bladerunner, literally just google it. It's the top result. Click on it then in the search bar type the word classic.

If anyone is lost, you can Refer With Queries.

<http://www23.zippyshare.com/v/6kjyqFzQ/file.html>

Thanks - got it... :)

That questionnaire was tricky, happyegg. Glad you managed it.

Cheers Agent!!!!

Thanks happyegg

Any word on the cricket Medic's double bill? Burning Trees and the scarfed Medic's adventures were excellent.

Any word on the cricket Medic's double bill? Burning Trees and the scarfed Medic's adventures were excellent.

Listening to it now. The 2 parters are a lot quicker than the 4 parters. No real introduction of characters or quest, they are just there. But, anything with Daleks in it is always usually good.
Can't share here as someone was gracious enough to PM it to me. Not sure if I'm allowed to reshare the link or not, so I'm kinda playing it safe for the time being. I'd rather not be on someone's naughty list if I can help it. :-)

Listening to it now. The 2 parters are a lot quicker than the 4 parters. No real introduction of characters or quest, they are just there. But, anything with Daleks in it is always usually good.
Can't share here as someone was gracious enough to PM it to me. Not sure if I'm allowed to reshare the link or not, so I'm kinda playing it safe for the time being. I'd rather not be on someone's naughty list if I can help it. :-)

Wise move. You're better safe than sorry.

Listening to it now. The 2 parters are a lot quicker than the 4 parters. No real introduction of characters or quest, they are just there. But, anything with Daleks in it is always usually good.
Can't share here as someone was gracious enough to PM it to me. Not sure if I'm allowed to reshare the link or not, so I'm kinda playing it safe for the time being. I'd rather not be on someone's naughty list if I can help it. :-)

That's understandable. It's nice to have friends. :) It probably won't be long before someone puts it up on the aural inlet, hopefully. :)

Any word on the cricket Medic's double bill? Burning Trees and the scarfed Medic's adventures were excellent.

This link is for you and only you. Pay it forward. :)

goo.gl/PSbi74

I'd prefer no-one else clicked on the above as it's for my good friend GTG only. Sorry. :(

Any word on the cricket Medic's double bill? Burning Trees and the scarfed Medic's adventures were excellent.


Burning Trees was excellent --are you sure you got the right audio?

Burning Trees was excellent --are you sure you got the right audio?

Well, he may have liked it! Haven't heard it myself, so can't give my opinion though.

Listening to it now. The 2 parters are a lot quicker than the 4 parters. No real introduction of characters or quest, they are just there. But, anything with Daleks in it is always usually good.
Can't share here as someone was gracious enough to PM it to me. Not sure if I'm allowed to reshare the link or not, so I'm kinda playing it safe for the time being. I'd rather not be on someone's naughty list if I can help it. :-)
I was in the same boat when someone graciously PMed me the 2nd HG adaptation last month, so I understand. I'll be patient for now.


This link is for you and only you. Pay it forward. :)

goo.gl/PSbi74

I'd prefer no-one else clicked on the above as it's for my good friend GTG only. Sorry. :(
I see what you did there. Well played. It actually made me laugh.


Burning Trees was excellent --are you sure you got the right audio?
I was referring to both of them being excellent. Burning Trees was particularly interesting this month, because it was a chance to see the organization from a different perspective than just Jack and co.

I was in the same boat when someone graciously PMed me the 2nd HG adaptation last month, so I understand. I'll be patient for now.


I see what you did there. Well played. It actually made me laugh.


I was referring to both of them being excellent. Burning Trees was particularly interesting this month, because it was a chance to see the organization from a different perspective than just Jack and co.

i don't know what you heard but it wasn't Torchwood....and LC should stay away from trying to do American accents unless it is an American --or they actually have someone that can do one

i don't know what you heard but it wasn't Torchwood....and LC should stay away from trying to do American accents unless it is an American --or they actually have someone that can do one
Eh, agree to disagree. I'm American myself, and dodgy American accents don't really bother me too much. Also, I should mention that if you actually Google some of the cast members of this month's Burning Trees, I think you'll find that quite a few of them are genuinely American. I guess that goes to show you that sometimes reality is unrealistic (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealityIsUnrealistic)... :D

Eh, agree to disagree. I'm American myself, and dodgy American accents don't really bother me too much. Also, I should mention that if you actually Google some of the cast members of this month's Burning Trees, I think you'll find that quite a few of them are genuinely American. I guess that goes to show you that sometimes reality is unrealistic (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealityIsUnrealistic)... :D

Actually, I wonder sometimes if it's the writing of Americans in LC's stuff. I know I've listened to audios and thought that an actor wasn't American, only to find later they were, but thought that they didn't come off as sounding convincing, and that distracts me. Then I've thought that, here we have British writers, writing for Americans - maybe that's why it doesn't come off as sounding right.


*I can't help thinking of the atrocious M!nu3t in H3ll!

Actually, I wonder sometimes if it's the writing of Americans in LC's stuff. I know I've listened to audios and thought that an actor wasn't American, only to find later they were, but thought that they didn't come off as sounding convincing, and that distracts me. Then I've thought that, here we have British writers, writing for Americans - maybe that's why it doesn't come off as sounding right.


*I can't help thinking of the atrocious M!nu3t in H3ll!
It's possible. But like I said, I've never really been bothered by it. If anything, I'm bemused by it more than anything else. Although, I will admit that parts of it are a bit less funny given who's occupying the White House at this point in time... *sighs*

Eh, agree to disagree. I'm American myself, and dodgy American accents don't really bother me too much. Also, I should mention that if you actually Google some of the cast members of this month's Burning Trees, I think you'll find that quite a few of them are genuinely American. I guess that goes to show you that sometimes reality is unrealistic (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealityIsUnrealistic)... :D



uggg you lost all credibility when you used the phrase "agree to diagree"
s


sorry but that isn't a thing EVER you either agree or disagree --- nothing else.... stop being ******* ****** '''


there is agree and disagree NOTHING ELSE

feel free toi agree or disagree with this post but not agree to disagree with this post --which has no basis in reality.

Somebody got out of the wrong side of bed this morning :D

PS "agree to disagree" is actually a thing. It's an acknowledgement that you respect the other's different opinion and you don't wish to keep arguing about it.

With post like above, this is why I don't share anymore books here anymore. Bye all. Been fun.

Oh, great day in the morning...

Actually, I wonder sometimes if it's the writing of Americans in LC's stuff. I know I've listened to audios and thought that an actor wasn't American, only to find later they were, but thought that they didn't come off as sounding convincing, and that distracts me. Then I've thought that, here we have British writers, writing for Americans - maybe that's why it doesn't come off as sounding right.


*I can't help thinking of the atrocious M!nu3t in H3ll!As an American I sometimes think that the folks at LC unknowingly fall into the trap of writing to the American stereotype, which is why their characters that are supposed to be American, whether played by an actual American, a Canadian, or an English actor using an accent don't quite ring true. It's not so much because the accent sounds off but because the dialogue doesn't sound right. It's not the way real Americans speak but the way English writers think we speak.

It's not the way real Americans speak but the way English writers think we speak.

That's a very good point. It's also why Brits in US dramas often sound wrong.

Waterboat, what is your issue? You are constantly trying to start things with others on this forum. Calling someone out simply because you dislike a certain turn of phrase is beyond petty. Try using a little restraint once in awhile. No need to go on a tirade over something so insignificant.

Oh, and here's the final answer to the "agree to disagree". A simple Google search quickly solves it.
https://tinyurl.com/lo7aykc

no agree to disagree used in that sense is when ALL parties comes to an understanding of their positions ---not when one party uses it as a cop out ....

saying you agree to disagree in an agreement is is just plain false. --so unless both parties feel the same way the way it was used here isnt the way--- you either agree or disagree .... when using the term agreeing to disagree you alreadyu disagree!!! nothing else! This is one of the stupidest misused phrases in the english language


Do you agree or disagree? there is no other option

there is no other option

We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

again used wrong

YOU disagree on that one... agreeing to disagree implies 2 parties

For all "intensive purposes" all well you are "literally" using it wrong

again used wrong



Does it actually matter? And does it require an expletive riddled rant? The answer is no.

I "disagree" with you on that poppytwaddle [ there...... is that better than an expletive for you sensitive little jimmies?]

using agree to disagree would assume that you do as well without such cause ---use the fecking launguage right

[for a group that regular steals things and changes names left right and center there is certainly a tendency to get thin skinned about an expletive

a group

Cutting to the chase, let's focus on this. It's a group who muddle along getting on with each other. There's no need to swear at other people on the board, there's no need to be so aggressive, there's certainly no need to single out one respected member of long standing and make him the focus of your (frankly incomprehensible) ire. Maybe people did use a phrase you hate wrongly. So what? It. Doesn't. Matter. And because we are people getting along with each other it's a really good idea not to make an issue of it.

"Agree to disagree" just means neither side will convince the other so continuing an argument has become pointless. So, each side drops the subject and moves on to something else.

Cheerful Face Expression was a pretty good Medic episode, and I definitely find myself liking young William as a companion. Also like the way this episode ends, taking us into the beginning of the next adventure, just like the very very early days of the show. I wonder if they'll keep doing this all season.

As for another subject, there are certain phrases that are practically unique to British or North American English that instantly tip off a listener to a mismatch between accent and dialogue. Waltz in Hades didn't just suffer from accents and bad phrasing, though, it also profoundly misunderstood American politics and religion. It's wrong from top to bottom, left to right, back to front, inside and out.

And one last thought: don't leave, Who Lover!

Also like the way this episode ends, taking us into the beginning of the next adventure, just like the very very early days of the show.


I did like it but have you seen the contortions that people have to perform with their personal canon so they can accept a new First Medic story? There are no gaps so people have real trouble accepting, for example, a Medic, granddaughter and the teachers story.

I did like it but have you seen the contortions that people have to perform with their personal canon so they can accept a new First Medic story? There are no gaps so people have real trouble accepting, for example, a Medic, granddaughter and the teachers story.

Yes, I like the way it flows onto the next story but, as you say, it'd be hard to squeeze any new stories, retroactively. Funny, but I've never had any problems with with LC's stories fitting in. I guess it all comes down to whether you're one who buys it or not.

Yes, I like the way it flows onto the next story but, as you say, it'd be hard to squeeze any new stories, retroactively. Funny, but I've never had any problems with with LC's stories fitting in. I guess it all comes down to whether you're one who buys it or not.


actually there are nice little spaces in a few of the stories where there flow.... the 1st medic and the teachers clearly have a a series 1 and 2 break where many stories can fit in there....

the place where the worst fit is mostly with any 5th medic stories that not Traken princess related.....


There was one 3rd medic story recently that was supposed to have been set during Season 9 but there were lines of Jo Grunt that revealed that she knew of The Doctor having multiple faces --- when you are a slave to cobntinuity and yuou mess it up it is glaring but if you casually glance over it [see the PeriEririmem era it works]


as it stands i think all but 1-2 stories in the LC range of the first medic grand daughters and teachers are set in the post Paris pre giants gap [ I am thinking endurance and Venus transit are the two thast are excepted ... but almost every other one is set in the series 1-2 gap]

again used wrong

For all "intensive purposes" all well you are "literally" using it wrong


If you're going to go all "Michael Douglas Falling Down" on everything, I should point out that the actual phrase is "intents and purposes"!

Holy hell... I've met some vitriolic folks across many message boards on the internet over the years, but Waterboat definitely takes it to a whole other level. And all because I said "agree to disagree", too... The last time I had met someone who got remotely close to that bad with me was when this one guy on another message board I was a part of who got really pissed at me. He was asking for requests of songs we'd like to hear him do on his YouTube channel, which was made up of him just simply sitting in a chair and doing song covers with a guitar. So, I offhandedly suggested "Behind Blue Eyes" by The Who, which is one of my personal favorites. Plus, I figured it'd fit the style of his channel perfectly, since he only had a guitar. As it turned out, that song was one he was planning for a subscriber special and he gave me SO MUCH SHIT for "ruining the surprise" and demanded to know who told me because he had only told a select few people, and those people were sworn to secrecy. He refused to believe that it was just a "lucky guess" on my part...


If you're going to go all "Michael Douglas Falling Down" on everything, I should point out that the actual phrase is "intents and purposes"!
Couldn't have put it better. He does give me that vibe, too.

P.S. Don't go, Who Lover! You're a really cool dude! (Or dudette. I'm kinda bad at guessing people's genders...)

Old steam trains ran on coal, to keep it going you had to keep stoking the fire.

Old steam trains ran on coal, to keep it going you had to keep stoking the fire.

My dear old late Dad loved Steam Trains. It's now four years since he passed.

If you're going to go all "Michael Douglas Falling Down" on everything, I should point out that the actual phrase is "intents and purposes"!

hence the "quotes"

I love steam trains. bring them back I say. who needs superfast trains anyway.....

.

This thread relies on kindness and friendliness.
I just thought I ought to point this out.

Being deliberately antagonistic isn't a great way to encourage people to share things

This thread relies on kindness and friendliness.
I just thought I ought to point this out.

Being deliberately antagonistic isn't a great way to encourage people to share things

Got it in one versatile! There was a time I used to share here, but for various reasons I stopped, however I do check in and read the posts every few days. Now and again, I am driven to add the odd post.
In the last few months, when I have done so, and even when I have not, Waterboat, for some reason has taken it upon himself to attack me and abuse me. This person has even done it via PM to me. I don't understand their issue with me, I asked them to go about their business and leave me to mine, I even (shudder) reported them to a mod and forwarded their abuse so they could see!

I have friends on this forum that I have spoken to for a few years, I will NOT be driven off by some person, that for some reason, has issues with me (god knows why!), I see that they have now sparked some verbal war with other members here...
I am not going to pass judgement on them, state anything about their mental health or say anything else about them other than please for the love of god, what ever your issues are, look past them and try to get on with people... if this is beyond your scope of understanding, then maybe you should leave this site because your are NOT doing yourself any favours with your confrontational attitude!

Please take this advice in the spirit it is given and think upon it!

Got it in one versatile! There was a time I used to share here, but for various reasons I stopped, however I do check in and read the posts every few days. Now and again, I am driven to add the odd post.
In the last few months, when I have done so, and even when I have not, Waterboat, for some reason has taken it upon himself to attack me and abuse me. This person has even done it via PM to me. I don't understand their issue with me, I asked them to go about their business and leave me to mine, I even (shudder) reported them to a mod and forwarded their abuse so they could see!

I have friends on this forum that I have spoken to for a few years, I will NOT be driven off by some person, that for some reason, has issues with me (god knows why!), I see that they have now sparked some verbal war with other members here...
I am not going to past judgement on them, state anything about their mental health or say anything else about them other than please for the love of god, what ever your issues are, look pat them and try to get on with people... if this is beyond your scope of understanding, then maybe you should leave this site because your are NOT doing yourself any favours with your confrontational attitude!

Please take this advice in the spirit it is given and think upon it!


maybe if you stopped with the private messages that are insulting and derogatory and then act all Innocent and above it all in public then i wouldnt have a problem... you continue thuis act that you are the pinacle of this board wehen you are nothing special.... dont let the door hit you

excuse me????
YOU are the one that PM's me!!

like the one you just sent....

do me a favor and don't visit my page you self important little prick


Guess what... had enough.... here is my reply....

What the hell is your issue? what have I ever done to you?
I have tried to keep this polite you jumped up little shite fer brains twat, but right now I simply don't care anymore!
I have tried to leave you alone, but like an ADHD driven muppet, you wont leave me alone!
I have suffered a death in the family today you cock smoking cunt, so if you wanna fucking go for it, bring it fucking on!
I will destroy you like the shite bag, self important prick that YOU are, and guess what.... I have no issue in posting this on the main forum for all to see... because you are wearing thin the patience of many of the people here!
Go fuck yourself!
leave me alone or prepare for a war you will not win!
Your choice!


Don't know what your issue is, but had enough of your crap, after the day I have had, the loss I have had, I have no issue in fucking showing you up for the idiot you are...
got many more I can post too!

Yeah today my response is harsh... I don't care... you are a rude, aggressive arsehole and I will not put up with your crap any longer!


oh yeah.... here is another of your nice PM's for all to see!!!!

just go away you self important prick...
you seem to ponce in lord over everyone in this holier than thou attitude
yet you are the worst of the bunch..
you are irrelevant and just a gnat not contributing anything
dismissed you sad pathetic shit stirrer

you are delusional,deranged and a down right horrible person!

excuse me????
YOU are the one that PM's me!!

like the one you just sent....



Guess what... had enough.... here is my reply....

What the hell is your issue? what have I ever done to you?
I have tried to keep this polite you jumped up little shite fer brains twat, but right now I simply don't care anymore!
I have tried to leave you alone, but like an ADHD driven muppet, you wont leave me alone!
I have suffered a death in the family today you cock smoking cunt, so if you wanna fucking go for it, bring it fucking on!
I will destroy you like the shite bag, self important prick that YOU are, and guess what.... I have no issue in posting this on the main forum for all to see... because you are wearing thin the patience of many of the people here!
Go fuck yourself!
leave me alone or prepare for a war you will not win!
Your choice!


Don't know what your issue is, but had enough of your crap, after the day I have had, the loss I have had, I have no issue in fucking showing you up for the idiot you are...
got many more I can post too!

Yeah today my response is harsh... I don't care... you are a rude, aggressive arsehole and I will not put up with your crap any longer!


oh yeah.... here is another of your nice PM's for all to see!!!!


you are delusional,deranged and a down right horrible person!

QFT. Waterboat, you are an overly aggressive, antagonistic ****. See? I typed in asterisks because I might think it but I don't effing saying it. You might want to think about your impulse control because it seems pretty non-existent. I've seen you have a go at some guy for posting a manga reference, I've seen you lay into GoldenTalesGeek because he used the phrase 'agree to disagree', what the hell is that even about??? You've even had a go at me for a non-issue. I genuinely don't know what your issue is but you need to get a grip because your online persona is a complete dick. Why am I posting this now? Because Jawa is a good person, a lot of us on here have a lot of respect for him and your constant antagonism towards him is both unwarranted and unwelcome. Feel free to swear at me, feel free to rage, but you should know that every post you put up full of swear words, full of hatred, only makes you look bad. Jawa, you have my sympathy on what is a very trying day. Don't let this crap get you down.

excuse me????
YOU are the one that PM's me!!

like the one you just sent....



Guess what... had enough.... here is my reply....

What the hell is your issue? what have I ever done to you?
I have tried to keep this polite you jumped up little shite fer brains twat, but right now I simply don't care anymore!
I have tried to leave you alone, but like an ADHD driven muppet, you wont leave me alone!
I have suffered a death in the family today you cock smoking cunt, so if you wanna fucking go for it, bring it fucking on!
I will destroy you like the shite bag, self important prick that YOU are, and guess what.... I have no issue in posting this on the main forum for all to see... because you are wearing thin the patience of many of the people here!
Go fuck yourself!
leave me alone or prepare for a war you will not win!
Your choice!


Don't know what your issue is, but had enough of your crap, after the day I have had, the loss I have had, I have no issue in fucking showing you up for the idiot you are...
got many more I can post too!

Yeah today my response is harsh... I don't care... you are a rude, aggressive arsehole and I will not put up with your crap any longer!


oh yeah.... here is another of your nice PM's for all to see!!!!


you are delusional,deranged and a down right horrible person!

and the mask of Josh hill comes off..... and look he reposted one of his post to me looking like it was posted to him.

Nice try.

Again with your holier than thou attitude

My Final words to you....waterboat....
I quoted TWO of your Pm's to me... its there for all to see... I did not doctor or edit anything! the middle section is my reply to YOU! that's clear to see for anyone with a working brain cell! Now as I has stated before in private and now in public, LEAVE ME ALONE! do not message me, ignore anything I post, just get on with your life!

To others here, I apologise for some of my language if it has offended, however I do not apologise for not being able to take this Idiots abuse and I will do so no longer!

To Del37, Thank you for the defence my friend, YOU and others like you are why I do bother! It has been a tough day today and people like yourself make it easier!

My Final words to you....waterboat....
I quoted TWO of your Pm's to me... its there for all to see... I did not doctor or edit anything! the middle section is my reply to YOU! that's clear to see for anyone with a working brain cell! Now as I has stated before in private and now in public, LEAVE ME ALONE! do not message me, ignore anything I post, just get on with your life!

To others here, I apologise for some of my language if it has offended, however I do not apologise for not being able to take this Idiots abuse and I will do so no longer!

To Del37, Thank you for the defence my friend, YOU and others like you are why I do bother! It has been a tough day today and people like yourself make it easier!

Iurge you to do the Same Josh, and don't contact me message me or speak to me again....i fact dont even make veiled comments about me to your friends... that way you can continue to be the golden boy that you portray yourself to be... but remember Mr Hill

shit dipped in gold is still shit

and the mask of Josh hill comes off..... and look he reposted one of his post to me looking like it was posted to him.

Nice try.

Again with your holier than thou attitude

Seriously, what is your issue? Leave people alone. You don't look big, you don't look clever and with every nasty word you go down in people's estimation. Just stop for your own sake if for no other reason.

ask Jawa what he issue with me he was the one that went for me first ---but then he is the golden dipshit that can do no wrong correct so you won't ask his "seriously what is your issue jawa.... as you saw he is just as volatile as anyone else and he like to do it in private messages so he can retain that golden luster....[the smell is still there though]

who the hell is this Josh Hill??? do you think you know who I am? if that is who you think I am (whomsoever that may be), you are wrong!
As for your reference of "shit dipped in gold is still shit ", is this a reveal of who your were or who you are?
Easter has gone bud, the time for resurrection from beyond is over!

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come on the waterboat, what is it that I actually did to you???? tell me here in public, because I SURE AS HELL have no idea what I have done to earn such hatred from you!
NO PM's, no secrets, just tell me what I am supposed to have done!

who the hell is this Josh Hill??? do you think you know who I am? if that is who you think I am (whomsoever that may be), you are wrong!
As for your reference of "shit dipped in gold is still shit ", is this a reveal of how your were or who you are?
Easter has gone bud, the time for resurrection from beyond is over!

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come on the waterboat, what is it that I actually did to you???? tell me here in public, because I SURE AS HELL have no idea what I have done to earn such hatred from you!
NO PM's, no secrets, just tell me what I am supposed to have done!

what's that smell? ahhha just a little shining jawa

what's that smell? ahhha just a little shining jawa

And that answers the question how?
How is this to be put to bed if I have no idea what your issue is??????????
If I offended you in the past, explain to me how... do you think I am this josh person?... I am not...
Just tell me what the issue is!

we are done here ---go back to your shining hill ..... and be sure to clean up afteryourself.... and please stop with the private messages and the lying


Delusional in your own mirror

what's that smell? ahhha just a little shining jawa

Are you delusional now? I can tell you for a fact that Jawa isn't a person called Josh Hill. If you have issues with Josh Hill (whoever that might be) then you're in the wrong place talking to the wrong person. Is that clear?

nice private message goldenrod --i'll file it with the others

Its amazing that for all your smug, self righteous posts, you cant actually say what your issue with me is! As Del said above, and I have said in this thread, I am not Josh Hill. If that is who you have issues with, that person is not me! You have done nothing but attack me these past few months despite a few people asking you not to, you have insulted me publically and privately despite me asking you not to AND reporting you to the mods. If I have crossed you in the past, I am not aware of it, if we crossed swords it was clearly so meaningless and uneventful that I have no memory of it.....
So finally, one last time, what actually is it that I am supposed to have done to you?

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Only Pm I sent you today, is posted here in public in post #37209 .
Like I said, its the middle section between your posts! like it says I have no issue with posting it on the main forum.........

I just want to know what you believe I have done and to end this stupid argument!

the ignore function is wonderful --hides the glare but the smell lingers

nice private message goldenrod --i'll file it with the others

Claiming to have private messages reminds me of another poster of old....what was their name???? It'll come to me in a minute.

Well, I've added the little blighter to my ignore list. I strenuously suggest you all do the same. Stop feeding the troll, and he'll go the eff away.

I receive nothing from this site so I'm not reliant on the latest release. I only give from the money I've got to spend. So I don't own anyone or anything for this and won't reply to any PM's of a nasty nature. But I found this helpful and correct from another site which I will post here.

"WARNING!!! Trolls have been sighted on this planet for the first time. For those of you who have never encountered these foul creatures, here are the signs: They use offensive language at every opportunity - which makes them look as well as sound ugly. Cowards by nature, they attack and bully those they think are weaker than themselves, and then only from a distance and usually behind a mask to hide their ugliness. There is only one way to destroy a troll: DO NOT FEED!!! I cannot stress this enough. Trolls' only source of nourishment are the words and reactions of others. Without this source, their own ugliness destroys them from within, literally eats away at them until they implode in the shower of shit that they are. Without reactions, all these sad little creatures can do is sit in the darkness they have created for themselves and rage impotently at those who will not feed them. Their words may grow harsher and more offensive once they realise an entire community is slipping them the finger and laughing at every word that dribbles from their rancid mouths. But no matter what the provocation, DO NOT FEED!!! Do not react! Do not engage in conversation, even if to reprimand, for this is what they want. It only makes them stronger. Ignore them, block them at every turn, spoil their fun. Let them rant and rave at thin air, words full of sound and fury, signifying...nothing. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!!

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That was from another source. Here are my own personal thoughts...
I have a simular situation with a walking group I go to on Tuesdays. This guy has decided to hate me for no reason that I can think of. I would join his group and he would walk away somewhere else. I sit here, he sits over there. I run this path and he runs the opposite.
Guess what. It used to really, really, physically annoy and depress me. And it was the "knowing why" that really got to me. Why? What did I do!!! How can I solve it?? How can I make amends to fix this!?
And you know what. After abusing myself, even getting suicidal about it, I did a smart thing and ignored him. In fact, I make it a habit to be around him purposely just to ruin his day. By doing nothing other than existing. Never talked to him, but I don't treat him with any less respect than anyone else.
...you see, it is HIS problem, not mine. It's something, at his age, he either deals with it or continues to be silly about it.
It really doesn't worry me anymore for 2 reasons. 1) Do I REALLY want to know why he hates me and 2) Am I ever going to change his mind about me though my own efforts in doing so. And when I honestly answered NO to those questions, I was free from all this crap I was putting myself through.
Anyway, hope this helps.
* note: capitals are strong statements, not yelling here.

My condolences jawa, sorry to hear about your bereavement, hope you're holding up okay mate

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What did everyone think about 'Smile' then?

My condolences as well, jawa. Best wishes to you and your family. I've been a bit stressed as of late, too. My mother is having surgery this coming Tuesday and these audios and my video games have been keeping me from having a complete breakdown of worry.

My sympathies Jawa, in this time of grieving for you. I'll be here for you.

What did everyone think about 'Smile' then?

I enjoyed it. Surprisingly, as the trailer looked a bit naff.

I enjoyed it. Surprisingly, as the trailer looked a bit naff.

Wow, that's exactly how I felt (especially after the "It speaks emoji" bit).

I had wanted to express my condolences for jawa's loss, but it seemed... "off" for me to try during that whole kerfuffle.
However, jawa, I am truly sorry for your loss.

Glad to see that people are returning to calmer, sympathetic attitudes after another strange instance of board... "percolation".
This place is always a great place to just visit and read each others thoughts, and any personal anecdotes that may be tossed into the circle.
While unfortunate life-events (surgeries, passings, job woes) are brought up, and commiserated by sympathetic people, we can hope that we leave the "annoyance and grief" of existence at the "Pull to Enter" sign.

As for "Grin"; I enjoyed it. "Will" is a very likable assistant. I was VERY much afraid (by the initial series' teaser) that I would find her annoying, so I am quite pleased for that not to be the case. (Editing is a very important tool. So simple to give the wrong impression, in 30-60 seconds, if the clips are used incorrectly.)

Both THIS episode and the first were quite enjoyable (despite some obvious and/or questionable plot points).
But, the first was mostly to set up the general premise of the show for any newcomers (a pilot, indeed) and this second one followed form of going to the far end of the spectrum to hit a broad beat (and set up interplay between the leads - with a hint as to the overarching series' "mystery"), and in those objectives, these episodes succeeded wonderfully!

I am SO going to miss PC when he leaves.

I had wanted to express my condolences for jawa's loss, but it seemed... "off" for me to try during that whole kerfuffle.
However, jawa, I am truly sorry for your loss.

Glad to see that people are returning to calmer, sympathetic attitudes after another strange instance of board... "percolation".
This place is always a great place to just visit and read each others thoughts, and any personal anecdotes that may be tossed into the circle.
While unfortunate life-events (surgeries, passings, job woes) are brought up, and commiserated by sympathetic people, we can hope that we leave the "annoyance and grief" of existence at the "Pull to Enter" sign.

As for "Grin"; I enjoyed it. "Will" is a very likable assistant. I was VERY much afraid (by the initial series' teaser) that I would find her annoying, so I am quite pleased for that not to be the case. (Editing is a very important tool. So simple to give the wrong impression, in 30-60 seconds, if the clips are used incorrectly.)

Both THIS episode and the first were quite enjoyable (despite some obvious and/or questionable plot points).
But, the first was mostly to set up the general premise of the show for any newcomers (a pilot, indeed) and this second one followed form of going to the far end of the spectrum to hit a broad beat (and set up interplay between the leads - with a hint as to the overarching series' "mystery"), and in those objectives, these episodes succeeded wonderfully!

I am SO going to miss PC when he leaves.

And, in honour of my 2,000 irreverent posts, I agree with you too. It's nice to be proved wrong, in regards to watching a trailer and thinking "This looks a bit naff" when it turns out to be enjoyable.

Why do I get the feeling, and this is only on those two episodes so far (well, I enjoyed the Christmas special too), that Grand Moff is getting back on track and then he leaves, along with a Medic who hasn't been on the receiving end of the best writing? My opinions only, yours may differ. Like Marmite/Vegemite. I love both, but both are also detested by people, just because we have different tastes.

Just a quick line to all to say thank you for your support and sorry about my outburst!
Your support does mean a lot and shows me that a lot of you are good people and I thank you for that.
I will be off line a few days to sort out personal issues, but I will be back, and then with luck we can all go about doing what we do best and talk endless rubbish that we all enjoy and understand!
Once again Thanks guys n gals, stay safe and talk to you all soon!

Just a quick line to all to say thank you for your support and sorry about my outburst!
Your support does mean a lot and shows me that a lot of you are good people and I thank you for that.
I will be off line a few days to sort out personal issues, but I will be back, and then with luck we can all go about doing what we do best and talk endless rubbish that we all enjoy and understand!
Once again Thanks guys n gals, stay safe and talk to you all soon!

Take care. I hope all goes well. We'll be here for you when you get back.

and he clears off again after acting one way in private and two faced in public..... get the air freshener the golden stool is mobile again.... and please the assertion he has personal issues cry me a river he tugged on all the heartstrings to get all this sympathy.....boo hoo

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I liked it, but did think it was a "Happiness Patrol" Updated to nowadays though.

Don't feed the troll!!! Don't reply. Just ignore such childish behaviour.

...I loved it for its simplicity. Was nice to actually follow a adventure in the traditional manner with it mostly a two-hander.
I don't care if it broke a law in how robots must protect humanity first, etc. The story (fictional) actually made sense for a change. Was like reading a good Target book. Was funny to see PC smile.
Did you get the David Boowie quote?
9/10 for the story then...

I'm still getting used to Bill, but I like the way she sees everything with childish wonder.

I'm having people who haven't been into the medic for years telling me out of the blue how much they're enjoying it again.

I liked it, but did think it was a "Happiness Patrol" Updated to nowadays though.

Well, that is one story that needed telling twice....

now that the golden latrine is gone maybe we can talk about Doctor Who and see if anyone will post the latest Jago and Litefort
or the 5th Doctor 2 story Alien Heart and Dalek Soul ; i think the second Volume of Dan Dare has been released as well

Just letting you know how I'm watching this series.
1. Read the DWM preview from #511+.
2. Download (from 6am Sunday, which is around 7pm in Britian on Saturday) and find time to watch it during the day.
3. Download and watch aftershow from The Fan Show on YT.
4. Watch episode live on ABC TV at 7.30pm Sunday night with subtitles on to catch anything missed.
5. Watch Rove on Whovians on ABC 2 Sunday 8.30pm.
6. Criticise episode and condemn Stephen Moffatt to hell (or make him watch Press Gang).

I miss the Heathcliff years, They need some really good monster stories. Brian of Mobius style.

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Well, that is one story that needed telling twice....

Yep, Can they remake Ghost Light so that it makes sense next, please.

I'm really enjoying the series thus far (keeping in mind only 2 eps in so far) happy face was great better than i thought. Just made me think... how many of the human colonies during the whole solar flare issue (thats the issue i thought they were having please throw any other ideas my way) encountered problems that had to be solved by the Medic and Co. We've had Nerva station, UK space whale ship now nanobot house. Are humans as a species in Medic What rubbish or am I thinking too much lol

P.s is Class worth a watch? the general consensus in "MEH" yes, no, maybe so...

Could use some help with a Unheard Cry from last month? The only one I can find at the other place is corrupt.

P.s is Class worth a watch? the general consensus in "MEH" yes, no, maybe so...

I quite liked it, but it didn't feel like it was part of the whoniverse. I think that was partly because it didn't actually begin in Who (unlike TW & SJA). The Doc was in ep 1 but felt like he'd been squeezed in just to link the two shows. Worth a watch, but don't expect too much.

And Jawa ... I'd like to add my condolences to those voiced here too.

Could use some help with a Unheard Cry from last month? The only one I can find at the other place is corrupt.

#36924

or

#36922

Page 1477

If they are still active, otherwise will up again.

[QUOTE=andyb2011;3589237]I quite liked it, but it didn't feel like it was part of the whoniverse. I think that was partly because it didn't actually begin in Who (unlike TW & SJA). The Doc was in ep 1 but felt like he'd been squeezed in just to link the two shows. Worth a watch, but don't expect too much.

Thanks andyb! i'll probs binge it sometime this week gotta few days off.

Have any of you guys ever had the thought of, I dunno, your watching summit rubbish or your other half is watching summit rubbish and you get the thought that whate ever your watching would be improved significantly if a bunch of pepperbots arrived a just started exterminating people. I have that thought when me mates watch the walking dead and as a good host put up with it lol