Whilst I am posting I take it we have no scarfed one release this month cause we had 2 last month? Also I see the original Borg Queen is in next months scarfed.

That's right, yeah.

you sick, sick man!
I suggest a vervoid salad served with a shock(rib)eye'd steak! but thats just me.....lol

Marshminnows, as eaten by Sil! Tinned peaches dyed green, I believe... :)

2) The person who found these episodes is a businessman. It is his job to restore archives for television stations, and it was in this capacity that he was able to access so many African stations' archives. The point is - as far as I know - he and his colleagues have been negotiating a deal to return these episodes to the BBC. There's a huge MONETARY side to all this; these episodes are worth a tremendous amount to the BBC (future DVD sales, etc.) and so this individual has taken his time negotiating a settlement for all his time and work. The BBC would never release a story like this until they had the episodes in hand.

Well, I know who that would be, then - makes it all a little more real to me... :) :) :)

And let's not forget, they successfully kept the last discovery quiet for many months, too...

Like others have said, if they turn up, I'll be beyond thrilled - if not, c'est la vie. It won't make me respect foe any less for it.

Foefromthefuture: Please excuse my extreme thickness but I'm having a problem with the Dardle/Library stories. I am getting the 'wait 20 seconds' message and not much else. What am I doing wrong? I use a mac if that makes any difference!

Foefromthefuture: Please excuse my extreme thickness but I'm having a problem with the Dardle/Library stories. I am getting the 'wait 20 seconds' message and not much else. What am I doing wrong? I use a mac if that makes any difference!

Are you using Safari? It's probably downloaded it after countdown gets to zero but not bothered telling you the download has completed. Check your 'Downloads' directory.

No, I use Firefox, and my download are empty right now!

No, I use Firefox, and my download are empty right now!

have you clicked the "Free Download" under the "wait 20 seconds"?

I'm going to say they're probably in NZ now, with Peter Davison. And Nicholas Briggs. Considering I'm visiting them in the morning...

(and yes, I'm beside myself)

unless they are shooting second unit footage with peter jackson! not as crazy as it sounds is it!
after all, he did say of late that he would love to direct an episode and his fee would be a real pepperpot from the show....
what better story for a director of his standing that the anniversary show, thats being done in 3D and shown at selected cinemas.....

hhhmmmmmmmm

have you clicked the "Free Download" under the "wait 20 seconds"?

Yes, and I get a sign up or log-in pop-up!

OK, did the free sign up and it's all working now. Thanks for help and suggestions.

I found that. You have to create a free account to be able to download files. Well if there is as way round it I couldn't find it. Signing up is all very painless and it seems a good site. Fast!

Yes, and I get a sign up or log-in pop-up!

Ah! Well there's your answer. You do have to sign up to 4shrd, but I've yet to hear of anyone having any issues from doing so. And it's happy to accept disposable email addresses, too, if you're worried about being tracked back to your regular email address.

Yeah I'm always worried there is going to be a catch with these sign-ups, but this looks painless.

not really.... is my attitude of asking for some proof going to deny anyone the episodes if they exist? no

and why all the secrecy...this doesn't makes sense... why not tell the story that they are found... you know the episodes exist? great... what is the reason for not telling people they exist? that is the part that makes no sense in any way shape or form... and leads anyone with sense to the conclusion that this is a hoax

Why so secret? why is his source keeping it a secret.... why would the BBC keep it a secret this time when last time they got them they posted it on TWITTER!.... the facts and the comments lead to a hoax and pretty much no facts to refute it seem to indicate he was had...
FACTS are tricky things you know ......without them ..... you have unsubstantiated stories....

okay we'll bite what clips did you see? tell us those clips you witnessed first hand..

Why the need for such aggressive behavior? You don't believe any of it? All the more power to you. I myself find it nice that something could spring hope in some of us who have been wishing for these to mysteriously pop up for the past 30 years! (At least for me, that's how long I've been a fan.) If these rumors p*ss you off, then just stop reading them. Some would argue such aggresive behavior is overcompensation for... ?
@Foe: It's all good my friend and thank you for all the postings and the mysterious news... it's wonderful!

Yeah I'm always worried there is going to be a catch with these sign-ups, but this looks painless.

I had the same thought. As Nobber said, just use a disposable email address. I did and I've had no hassle so far.

Damn it - I've now got Sarah in my head saying "Dardle MUST live" agggrrrr!

....and Foe, forgive my manners. Thank you for Dardle/Library.

Guys!!! Just to let you know Large Conclusions are having a sale on Frozen Water Battle Champion stories at the moment in a nod to this weeks new story. They are $5 a story or $40 for bundle of ten

Does anyone have the following titles?

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One last thought before calling it a night on the whole sonic thing. Maybe he needs to upgrade to a sonic laser...

Sonic screwdriver? I have a sonic laser | Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/04/sonic-screw-driver-i-have-a-sonic-laser/)

Not unheard of... 6 had a sonic lance in the revisited London tunnels and met up with a shiny almost-man. At least when he dealt with it, he did it with a lance, not a screwdriver :)

Damn it - I've now got Sarah in my head saying "Dardle MUST live" agggrrrr!

Definitely one of my favorite stories. Dardle MUST live. ES was just brilliant and such an incredible focus on a companion for her goodbye series was awesome. Didn't really think until I saw that series that anyone could outshine Mr. TB but in that particular story, it was all about Sarah from the very beginning, although TB was brilliant as we've all come to expect. Makes me miss my fav companion even more. RIP Liz.

Here is a better clip of the cold soldiers from Mars episode coming tomorrow

The Ice Warrior's Name - Doctor Who: Cold War preview - Episode 3 Series 7 2013 - BBC One - YouTube (http://youtu.be/MA3Q_2CLxfU)

Here is a better clip of the cold soldiers from Mars episode coming tomorrow

The Ice Warrior's Name - Doctor Who: Cold War preview - Episode 3 Series 7 2013 - BBC One - YouTube (http://youtu.be/MA3Q_2CLxfU)

By his reaction, has the Doc met him before?

By his reaction, has the Doc met him before?


I assume may have heard of him - probably some legendary villainous IW that was banished from Mars to spend all time frozen. I think LC did a similar story idea with the 7th Medic (98th in the main range)

By his reaction, has the Doc met him before?

I just removed a reference to his name form a page on the bluebox wiki (in accordance with their spoiler policy: not before broadcast!)

before I did so it suggested that he was...

the Grand Marshal from the PT era story "plantlife reproducing things of not-aliveness"

but I don't know if it is so, or if he is named as such in that story. The editor could have been wrong.

I could watch and check, but I have stuff to do this evening

anyone seen it recently?

I just removed a reference to his name form a page on the bluebox wiki (in accordance with their spoiler policy: not before broadcast!)

before I did so it suggested that he was...

the Grand Marshal from the PT era story "plantlife reproducing things of not-aliveness"

but I don't know if it is so, or if he is named as such in that story. The editor could have been wrong.

I could watch and check, but I have stuff to do this evening

anyone seen it recently?

I saw it a week ago. the GM wasn't named in the story, however as tomorrow's story is set in 1983 and SoD is set in the late 21st cent, I doubt it is the same GM, unless the writer suggests it

Has anyone got the latest releases NOT on 4shared??

I saw it a week ago. the GM wasn't named in the story, however as tomorrow's story is set in 1983 and SoD is set in the late 21st cent, I doubt it is the same GM, unless the writer suggests it

This is a good point. This is a very good point.

tbh I went there and typed in the name and got that result.
looking more closely the page before the "info" was added actually puts in the category "individuals with unknown names".

no name or citation was given to justify the edit (other than the title of the as yet unbroadcast ep) so could all be complete spheroids.

but The Medic does seem to know the name somehow, and the yt vid is titled as "freezefighters name".

come on guys, we are meant to be medic nerds here, surely we can't let some obscure reference get past us?

A clip from the upcoming IW DVD release.

Exclusive animation preview - The Ice Warriors - Doctor Who - BBC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HICrwM89caY)

Yeah, I was thinking about that. So here we go ...

Fry some bacon (with fat on)
Chop into small bits
Get some stale bread and crumb it - probably about a 50/50 mix to bacon - may have to experiment
Mix with bacon
Mix with eggs to a reasonably firm mix
Make a 'slab' about the size of a slice of bread and about 2cm thick
Fry on both sides until cooked through.
Cut to size and serve

I'm away for half a day and on my return I find the place has mutated into some kind of housewife's recipe site :)

Has anyone got the latest releases NOT on 4shared??

Gimme an hour or so

A clip from the upcoming IW DVD release.

Exclusive animation preview - The Ice Warriors - Doctor Who - BBC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HICrwM89caY)

Good God, but that's TERRIBLE!

Good God, but that's TERRIBLE!

It looks more like a modern cartoon than something from the 60's. They should have kept it in the style of "Invasion" that was perfect.

A clip from the upcoming IW DVD release.

Exclusive animation preview - The Ice Warriors - Doctor Who - BBC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HICrwM89caY)

The actual likeness' isn't too bad, but the animation is awful, the mouth movement made me laugh out load, they so need to improve that before final release or by the end of the two episodes I'll be a gibbering wreck.

Good God, but that's TERRIBLE!

From what I can gather, they have been using the telesnaps as a base and then doing a basic cartoon on top - they whether that is a final look or they will add more detail I don't know..... I'm not to sure about this yet considering what was shown in the previous animated efforts and the clip from TP

The actual likeness' isn't too bad, but the animation is awful, the mouth movement made me laugh out load, they so need to improve that before final release or by the end of the two episodes I'll be a gibbering wreck.

At least it didn't look like they cut to a new shot every 1/4 second. But I agree, the mouth movement was a bit much.

Think my link to Warriors of Passion Disk 10 was wrong.

So here's a new link.

And I'm not sure I posted the next link, disc 11.

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Hope they work, I was quite drunk at the time.

Hey zark7 where's that avatar from....I recognise it but just can't place it

...Thanks for the tips to everyone about custard however I'll forgo it this time, with what I for it now it's easier to make it more Hors d'oeuvre style food.
And I was trying to go for food seen or at least mentioned on the show.

Though I like the creativity of everyone for the foods you've come up with.

I had no idea there would be so much feed back on this. lol

I love to cook and really love the idea of a DW cookbook.

Hey zark7 where's that avatar from....I recognise it but just can't place it

Battle of the Planets. Remember it fondly from my childhood. :D

I love to cook and really love the idea of a DW cookbook.

They did make one back in the 80's with recipies from the cast and crew.

In a way I feel sorry for the animation team because no matter how they animate a lost episode they will not please all of us, I know we should just be happy that the beeb are spending the money on recreating them but it would be nice if they picked a style and kept to it. I agree with jlm1883 that the best so far is the Invasion.

Battle of the Planets. Remember it fondly from my childhood. :D

Thanks, Ive been calling that series G-Force for years.

Does anyone have a working link for the latest story about the book depository. Foes' doesn't seem to be working.

Never mind. Turns out it is working. D'oh!

They did make one back in the 80's with recipies from the cast and crew.

I have an HTML (and PNG) version of this somewhere. I could sort it out tomorrow and post it if anyone's interested?

I have an HTML (and PNG) version of this somewhere. I could sort it out tomorrow and post it if anyone's interested?

That could be fun :)

I like your avatar by the way, it reminds me of a xbox game my daughter likes to play called naughty bears.

Thanks, Ive been calling that series G-Force for years.

Yeah. Not to be confused with giunea pig secret agents.

Not quite a M-Puppet album but an album from 1971 that has more to do with a seed used on the top of a bun and a long road but it does have a green frog in it.

Ohh... and another Warriors of Passion. Disc 12.

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Yeah. Not to be confused with giunea pig secret agents.

Even so, I enjoyed the giunea pig film. Although I really didn't want to.

Hi again everyone. As I said when I first posted, I was a little hesitant because I have no idea as to the BBC's actual timeline. The impression I get is that this announcement will be made sooner rather than later. Of course, "sooner" could mean a few months still.

The other, more important thing, is that I have personally now seen some evidence that these episodes do exist. The people who initially shared this information with me (last August, I believe, was when I first heard), are people very closely linked with the show. Two in particular are names that you would recognize, and I've been lucky enough to have struck up a friendship with them. It was only two weeks ago that I finally saw some physical evidence that there is a huge amount of substance to this rumour. These were the briefest of clips from two lost stories - but they are clips that I know should simply not exist. (And by the way, I am very familiar with what exists and what is thought to be lost - including Australian censorship extracts, etc.)

As I've said, do with this what you will. I hope you have all gotten to know me over the months, and I hope you realize that I am not the kind of person to get my kicks from posting unsubstantiated "wishful-thinking" rumours all over the Internet. The only place I have shared this is here, because I've gotten to know many of you and I sort of see this place as a bit of a refuge when I need it. For that, I thank you all, and I just wanted to share some of this exciting news with you as a way of saying "I'm grateful".

Hi Foe, thanks for the information - which stories did you see clips from?

A clip from the upcoming IW DVD release.

Exclusive animation preview - The Ice Warriors - Doctor Who - BBC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HICrwM89caY)

I want this now! No really I want this RIGHT now!

I have an HTML (and PNG) version of this somewhere. I could sort it out tomorrow and post it if anyone's interested?

Please.

If anyone is interested I have the latest from the second incumbent "Internet Boy's Sepulchre"

RWQ

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I have no idea what this is, but the obfuscation sounds interesting.

Thanks, Ive been calling that series G-Force for years.

And I know it as Gatchaman!!!

And here's this month's Friends of the Medic:

About a famous book depository in Egypt.

Enjoy!

RWQ

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Thank you for this Foe and the upload of the new MR No.172

As for your information about the missing stuff. I want it to be true and I think it is true. We wait and hope.

I have no idea what this is, but the obfuscation sounds interesting.

I had no idea and downloaded it.... It is the novel reading of the 2nd medic story of the robot people and their burial place... read by the tall guy who starred in it and the voice of all the monsters doing the robot people

while I would be happy to listen to Mr Warner read a phone book, I have to agree that him doing 11 is not something i can imagine!

Looks like he's in this week's episode as well!
Professor Grisenko - Doctor Who S07E03: 'Cold War' - Digital Spy (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/s7/doctor-who/i553623-8/doctor-who-s07e03-cold-war-professor-grisenko.html#a472820)

Hello, Foe! I've PMd you :)

Anyone have the audiobook of the novelization of TxxHxxExx RxxExxSxxCxxUxxExx?

Try Post #9315 bladerunner13

Recipes from Time and Space (1985)
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I know, I've requested this before, but it bears repeating: Does anyone have the soundtrack for the 5th Medic's swan song that was released last month? I'd really like to have it. Thanks!

Or Garlic Bread in the shape of a Dalek - Dalek Bread!

You are Peter Kay & I claim my 5 pounds... :P

I had no idea and downloaded it.... It is the novel reading of the 2nd medic story of the robot people and their burial place... read by the tall guy who starred in it and the voice of all the monsters doing the robot people

Oh, thank you! I hadn't got a bloody clue for once - still don't get it - but now you've said that, I'll happily grab it!

Thanks Lokisph & Flasheart...

OOH - Wait - I FINALLY GET IT!!!! WOW, That's obscure! Kudos to you...

And I know it as Gatchaman!!!

And now I have the theme song from Battle of the Planets running through my head! Why is that still stuck in there after 30 years?

I have no idea what this is, but the obfuscation sounds interesting.

Hope I haven't made to obscure - How about "The place shiny men are laid to rest"

Yeah. Not to be confused with giunea pig secret agents.

Gatchaman crushs that series! But whenever i say G-Force or Battle of the Planets people know what I mean. It is just the people who have to look up gforce dont know and say guinea pigs lol i dont think anyone liked that pig series

Cookbook
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And now I have the theme song from Battle of the Planets running through my head! Why is that still stuck in there after 30 years?

Because it's COOL!! Altogether now: Daaaaah-da-daaaah, da-da-da-daaaaah - "BATTULLLLLLLLLLL OF THE PLANEEEEEEEEEETS!!!!"


...sweeeeeet...

Damn you, Foe, your code for your first upload this month is just too memorable. Now while I'm listening to it, I keep expecting the characters to actually SAY "Dardle Must Perish!"...

It's distracting, I tell ya... :P

What a diverse thread this is. Medics, puppets, and now one of my favourite gravity-inspired animated shows.

On the subject of the latter, please find enclosed some listening pleasure:


GForce! - Download - 4shared (http://www.4shared.com/zip/L7_2e8Jm/GForce.html)G Force!

Ah. Sounds like they're gonna be plugging the BF 50th audio in that case. Anyway, have a good time tomorrow you lucky sod. :DA great time. And I just about managed to pass myself off as something other than a creeper and/or a moron XD
Briggs talked a fair amount about BF, but none of them really brought up the 50th, only discussing it when audience members mentioned it. Was good, refreshing to not feel like I was listening to someone with an agenda. Did find out a couple of interesting things about the BF 50th audio though, like what companion the 5th Medic would have and what the title would be and one or two other details :)



ah,so close yet so far...My usual "alas" is 'so far, and yet so far'... So little of anything comes down to the Antipodes!



unless they are shooting second unit footage with peter jackson! not as crazy as it sounds is it!
after all, he did say of late that he would love to direct an episode and his fee would be a real pepperpot from the show....
what better story for a director of his standing that the anniversary show, thats being done in 3D and shown at selected cinemas.....
hhhmmmmmmmmCould be... Sylvester kept on making snide remarks on how the others were all out-of-work actors while he's In The Hobbit (lol) There was some minor discussion about Peter Jackson and his offer/proposed fee of course, but as expected these guests said they didn't really know anything about such things.


a truly enjoyable day. Those chaps are fascinating to listen to. would repeat like a shot.

as expected these guests said they didn't really know anything about such things.


LIES!!! ALL LIES!!!!

right now they have Pete J directing them all in scenes for the anniversary, using the whole convention thing as cover.

It's what I want to believe and I don't care if you all think I'm nuts!

Did find out a couple of interesting things about the BF 50th audio though, like what companion the 5th Medic would have and what the title would be and one or two other details :)

Don't keep me / us in suspense, please tell all now :)

Im glad you enjoyed your day, I still remember going to the 2 day event at longleat in 83 fo the 20th anniversary, I meet 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th plus loads of medic friends. Some things you just never forget :)

Would people be interesting in some of the stories of Victoria's Welsh Academy?

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I'm Jealous.. I was too young, but I have met 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th at various places plus other companions. hoping to meet William Russell and a few others at Collectormania MK this year too.

Well fingers crossed that Mark Gatiss manages a decent episode. 10 mins to go

Please, no spoilers for those of us on the other side of the pond (Ponds?)

Honest question about the episode, double spoilered so not to spoiler for those that haven't seen it yet.



Ice Warriors are beings inside bio-mechanical suits? Is this a new thing? I honest cannot remember this being referenced before.

Honest question about the episode, double spoilered so not to spoiler for those that haven't seen it yet.



Ice Warriors are beings inside bio-mechanical suits? Is this a new thing? I honest cannot remember this being referenced before.



See below. Inside spoiler


Yes. The first time the Doctor met the Ice Warriors he noticed that their helmets were like spacesuit helmets and had electronic connections, the inference being that they were inside suits. Can't remember if any of the big finish stuff alluded to it

Without giving anything away - much better than last week

Without giving anything away - much better than last week

Agreed. And, yeah, it seems I'd forgotten that detail. Certainly not a thing I remember BF touching. Ta!

Please, no spoilers for those of us on the other side of the pond (Ponds?)

well if you cant have the good sense to live in the UK.....;)



bio-mechanical suits?

seems new to me!

I must say, these soviet subs are very roomy aren't they!

big improvement over last week, a MG written ep that I can actually watch!

And the helmetless look......yeah!

Without giving anything away - much better than last week

And another 2nd dentist reference as well!
Much better episode, more like "who" should be....

At last a proper Doctor Who story. I was starting to think they'd forgotten how to make them!

Thoughts inside spoiler


Much better, but I am getting fed up with Matt Smith being flippant and making jokes all the time
Reminded me a bit of the 4th Doctor and SJS being chased around the Arctic base in Seeds of Death at times. Good tension. I imagine there might be a few nightmares for kids.
Good to see a body count and a bit of death and destruction
David Warner was completely wasted
The episode sort of fizzled out
Clara was in the traditional companion role of scream and look helpless basically, not sure it worked

All in all a lot better than last week

well if you cant even bother to live in the UK.....

I must say, these soviet subs are very roomy aren't they!


You'd be surprised, actually. When you consider how long they had to be underwater (months at time) they need some room so that the crew doesn't go nuts in such close confinement.

(I read too much Tom Clancy)

Thoughts ...


Agree that David Warner (and his character) seemed wasted. It was great to have him, but the actions of the character could have been done by any other character.
And, yeah, it did fizzle out a bit at the end, but the episode worked well as a whole.
Clara, rather than the Doc, saves the day again?
3.5/5 for me, though.

Not perfect. But so so much better than last week


All sort of fizzled out as the nice Ice Warrior turned out to be a good guy. Should have been like old Who where the Doctor ended up blowing up the spacecraft just before it launched the missiles. They also seem to have a pathological need to put in flippant humour :(

Thoughts ...


Agree that David Warner (and his character) seemed wasted. It was great to have him, but the actions of the character could have been done by any other character.
And, yeah, it did fizzle out a bit at the end, but the episode worked well as a whole.
Clara, rather than the Doc, saves the day again?
3.5/5 for me, though.


Ummm

I actually thought that this was her weakest episode. Must more the old style, scream and run about companion with the odd leading question to allow answers to be given. Maybe I need to watch it again :)

more thoughts
Agree about David Warner, a waste of a brilliant actor. and the part was only used as an excuse for the IW being there and getting Clara to sing.
the whole M.A.D in microcosm being resolved by a big alien ship turning up and saving the day, or was it the singing daughter substitute? make your mind up Gatiss!
and if they could transmat Skaldak off the bridge, why did they need to raise the sub?
but even so
actual deaths!, jeopardy, action, and while used as a threat/trigger at the end, the sonic didnt act as a magic wand
so, good. not great, but good
and as for next week....
is that the same house as in the last xmas ep?

well for me, that was one of the best ever for new who! it had a classic vibe to it. I know it may not be everyones cup of tea, but I thought it was fantastic! wont say anything else, because I dont want to spoil it for all those who are downloading it as I type (coz we all know they are!), other than this, for me,it was the closest that the show has got to classic style tales since it came back in 2005!

One thought


I think they are starting to run into problems with having to have everything wrapped up in 45 mins. The story lines are just too rushed and compressed, there is little or no back story and the solutions are superficial. I know Moffat said he wash't convinced with the two parters last season, but I think that was because they were being all cute with the ongoing story arc. This would have been a perfect two parter with a gripping cliff-hanger with things allowed to develop more gradually and the tension to build - and they could have sorted out the ending

it had a classic vibe to it

agreed, I know there is some "picking" at it (It's what we obsessive fans do. and this is the internet after all), but it is great to see that old skool feel

Ummm

I actually thought that this was her weakest episode. Must more the old style, scream and run about companion with the odd leading question to allow answers to be given. Maybe I need to watch it again :)


Saved The Day insofar as it seemed to be her singing that made his mind-up to leave.

agreed, I know there is some "picking" at it (It's what we obsessive fans do. and this is the internet after all), but it is great to see that old skool feel

Don't get me wrong I really enjoyed it but there is still room for improvement :)

Saved The Day insofar as it seemed to be her singing that made his mind-up to leave.


Maybe that was a matter of taste lol

Don't get me wrong I really enjoyed it but there is still room for improvement :)

oh I agree, but in this age of the moffs ADHD style of story telling, that was a corker! the short attention span of the modern audience is what has destroyed the classic format, however taking that into account, I still say this was the closest to the old days that we have seen thus far, and I loved it! going away for a bit now.... gonna watch it again now! which is also a first for me in a very long time with the show as it is now! see ya later peeps!

One thought


I think they are starting to run into problems with having to have everything wrapped up in 45 mins.




I agree. The credits started before 41 minutes had passed. This cannot be good for the writers.

One thought


I think they are starting to run into problems with having to have everything wrapped up in 45 mins. The story lines are just too rushed and compressed, there is little or no back story and the solutions are superficial. I know Moffat said he wash't convinced with the two parters last season, but I think that was because they were being all cute with the ongoing story arc. This would have been a perfect two parter with a gripping cliff-hanger with things allowed to develop more gradually and the tension to build - and they could have sorted out the ending


its a lot more difficult to have two-parters when you split the series in two

more thoughts

if they could transmat Skaldak off the bridge, why did they need to raise the sub?

Maybe the matter transmitter doesn't have as great a range as the tractor beam? Or maybe the matter transmitter doesn't work through water? Or maybe, being a cold blooded creature submerged below an awful lot of cold water, they needed to bring the submarine to the surface before they could get a strong enough read on his lifesigns to beam him up?

its a lot more difficult to have two-parters when you split the series in two

Which is one of the reasons why I hate that

Am I being cloth-eared, or has the theme changed a bit again? The bass line seems to have quietened and there's a clappaity bit of rhythm going on instead?

I know they were mentioned in BF as wearing full body armour, but not bio-mechanical. Maybe the IW ship transmat wouldn't work through 700 feet of water.

Finally, a self contained episode where the Doc turns up and saves the day - job done.

I agree about Warner being wasted, but it was great to have him there.

Don't know about anyone else but when they were chasing the IW without his armour, kinda reminded me of Alien.

Wasn't keen on the look of the IW out of his armour - the head looked too CGI.

The Doc said he has never seen an IW out of his armour, but I'm sure there is a BF story where he is on mars before the cataclysm. Would the IWs have needed their armour before then?

All in all, a good episode. Better than last week, but the trailer for next week looked pretty good too. Maybe last week was just a blip.

kinda reminded me of Alien.

more like a deliberate reference surely.
the bit with two ruskies searching
a line where one says something like "it so...alien"
and the IW grabs one up to the ceiling....
Alien3 anyone?

See below. Inside spoiler


Yes. The first time the Doctor met the Ice Warriors he noticed that their helmets were like spacesuit helmets and had electronic connections, the inference being that they were inside suits. Can't remember if any of the big finish stuff alluded to it


Doctor Who - The Lost Stories: Thin Ice

One thought


I think they are starting to run into problems with having to have everything wrapped up in 45 mins. The story lines are just too rushed and compressed, there is little or no back story and the solutions are superficial. I know Moffat said he wash't convinced with the two parters last season, but I think that was because they were being all cute with the ongoing story arc. This would have been a perfect two parter with a gripping cliff-hanger with things allowed to develop more gradually and the tension to build - and they could have sorted out the ending


They are rushing through all the episodes lately but I'm not sure why! When you compare tonight with a story like 'Dalek' from Series 1 - that seemed to do the same job but had a lot more going on!

Got to laugh at this line in the "bloopers" thread over on GB ...



I agree, far too roomy, and far too few crew. I'm unfamiliar with submarines in general, but I know that much!

"I'm unfamiliar" !!!

Sorry, but that did make me laugh.

BTW: Taking some artistic licence into account to make room for the cameras and lights, people don't seem to know just how big cold war era "boomers" are.

They are rushing through all the episodes lately but I'm not sure why! When you compare tonight with a story like 'Dalek' from Series 1 - that seemed to do the same job but had a lot more going on!

That was where classic Doc was better, practically every story was the equivalent of at least a two parter. Yeah, the eps were only 25 minutes long back then but with 4 or 6 part stories the writers had time to tell the story and finish it properly ... without resorting to the sonic screwdriver.

I think that's why a lot of BF stories work so well - they kept to the original format.

Menacing and awesome new fridge warriors..make the old versions seem like damp sqibs!!
Now LC must do a Tim Beaker story with the new ones...now THAT would be something.
Now the Beeeeeee*B must do those pesky Ocean Deeeevils next!!
Well done to Marccc G*a*T*T*i*S

Well, what can I say!

Tonight's episode has made me believe that the "Doctor Who" I grew up with may still relevant today. This was a pure Troughtonesque story, classic base under siege, geniune mystery, scares and superbly paced. Would have been happy to watch in monochrome HD!

Matt Smith was so much better served with a script which played to his strengths and I will admit that it was the first time in his run for me that he became The Doctor (can of worms most certainly opened).

I don't post often as I feel that most of you fine people are well on target, however couldn't stop myself tonight.

p.s. Foe, thanks for the uploads, I trust you are telling the truth. Would it be the case that any eps recovered from Africa might have English soundtracks substituted? If so, would they need to be remastered with existing off-air recordings? Might explain the wait.

p.s. Foe, thanks for the uploads, I trust you are telling the truth. Would it be the case that any eps recovered from Africa might have English soundtracks substituted? If so, would they need to be remastered with existing off-air recordings? Might explain the wait.

The audios have been mastered by MA for the audiobook releases. The main issue may lie in syncing up the audio to the picture due to the nature of how the audios were recorded (different tape speeds, slowing and speeding up ect).

It's unlikely they'd need redubbing, anyway. Without wishing to open a very large can of worms too wide, don't forget that when these aired it was mainly rich, English speaking, white people that had televisions and radios. To put it politely, it's unlikey that they'd have bothered taking native speakers into account.

[QUOTE=neonihilist;2324611]well if you cant have the good sense to live in the UK.....;)

I had the good sense to move :)

Yeah, I was thinking about that. So here we go ...

Fry some bacon (with fat on)
Chop into small bits
Get some stale bread and crumb it - probably about a 50/50 mix to bacon - may have to experiment
Mix with bacon
Mix with eggs to a reasonably firm mix
Make a 'slab' about the size of a slice of bread and about 2cm thick
Fry on both sides until cooked through.
Cut to size and serve

What do you call this? A myocardial inTARDtion?

(I was out of town for a few days, but couldn't pass that up. I'm kind of glad I missed the latest bit of drama, but Foe, you're the man.)

What do you call this? A myocardial inTARDtion?

ROFL!!

Cold War
I thought the episode was well paced, very reminiscent of the Alien film directed by Ridley Scott in some ways.
It was strongly infered in 'The Ice warriors' that the suit was infact armour and that the creature within wore it for protection "a space helmet with electronic attachments" or words to that effect was how the 2nd Doctor put it. The actual head of the Ice Warrior was very well designed but did look a little to much like CGI, I thought it worked much better when it was shown in shadow. Nice to have the HADS mentioned, last used in The Krotons I think. The Ice Warrior ship was amazing and looked very big budget as did the submarine sets. David Warner Excellent as ever but a little under used, Matt Smith just goes from strength to strength as the Doctor, and a very strong supporting cast. What more could we ask for?
I think Mark Gatiss certainly pulled all the stops out on this one and I thoroughly enjoyed it. By far one of the best new who episodes to date in my book. 9.5/10

That was where classic Doc was better, practically every story was the equivalent of at least a two parter. Yeah, the eps were only 25 minutes long back then but with 4 or 6 part stories the writers had time to tell the story and finish it properly ... without resorting to the sonic screwdriver.

I think that's why a lot of BF stories work so well - they kept to the original format.

I agree but I actually meant the Eccleston 'Dalek'. The 2 episodes strike me as quite similar (reintroduce an old foe who the humans have locked up - it then escapes & they're all locked in with it trying to stay alive & stop it escaping to kill everyone else in the world). But Dalek was a much better paced episode with plenty of story, characters (who all had their own thing going on) & all done in the same amount of time.

I liked the new episode (much better than last week) but it did feel rushed. All the recent episodes feel like they're desperate to get finished before you've had a chance to get into it! If that makes sense.

Even though I found it got terribly self-indulgent (and not in a good way), I would have liked a "Confidential" for this one. Thoughts on the costume design, and the trials and tribulations of filming in a cramped and wet environment.

See below. Inside spoiler


Yes. The first time the Doctor met the Ice Warriors he noticed that their helmets were like spacesuit helmets and had electronic connections, the inference being that they were inside suits. Can't remember if any of the big finish stuff alluded to it



It does. It's a plot point in Red Dawn, in fact.

It does. It's a plot point in Red Dawn, in fact.

Crumbs! It's been ages since I last heard that one. In fact I think the last time I even thought of it was a while back during a "this is how not to do CD artwork" discussion. AFAIR, though, the story is much better than the cover! :)

Even though I found it got terribly self-indulgent (and not in a good way), I would have liked a "Confidential" for this one. Thoughts on the costume design, and the trials and tribulations of filming in a cramped and wet environment.
there is a short behind the scenes video in youtube uploaded by the Beeb, although no thoughts on the costume designs (i think)

Behind the Scenes of Cold War - Doctor Who - Episode 3 Series 7 2013 - BBC One - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cweHoRqlAo4)

I agree but I actually meant the Eccleston 'Dalek'. The 2 episodes strike me as quite similar (reintroduce an old foe who the humans have locked up - it then escapes & they're all locked in with it trying to stay alive & stop it escaping to kill everyone else in the world). But Dalek was a much better paced episode with plenty of story, characters (who all had their own thing going on) & all done in the same amount of time.

I liked the new episode (much better than last week) but it did feel rushed. All the recent episodes feel like they're desperate to get finished before you've had a chance to get into it! If that makes sense.

If I were to comparte Dalek with this latest episode, I'd have to say that Dalek was much better. CE was at his best and there is absolutely no comparison between the passion CE brought to the role (too brief in my opinion) and 11's. I am not against 11, but I won't be shedding tears when the 11 falls. Clara wins on all counts as far as I'm concerned. The greatest parts were her scenes with the refrigerated soldier. her first encounter with it was absolutely incredible and terribly frightening! And at the end, one could argue that without her little speach, things would have been blown to hell. I just think that this doc is becoming too predictable and 2 dimensional. Last week's episode had a much better performance from matt imho.

I loved Cold War! Except for the look of the Ice Warriors face out of the helmet.

I had the good sense to move :)
So....you're an.....ALIEN?

many saying it felt rushed. someone said of last weeks (something like) keeping things moving so the viewer didn't have time to think.

There does seem to be a tendency for this, move on quick before they notice the plot hole/ story arc hint. Confusing high speed and story pacing.

It does. It's a plot point in Red Dawn, in fact.

I thought I'd heard an audio show making reference to it but that was a long time ago :) I remembered the observation in the original TV episode where the 2nd Doctor first encounters them as I listened to the audio TV soundtrack this week to get into the mood for last nights episode.

So....you're an.....ALIEN?

many saying it felt rushed. someone said of last weeks (something like) keeping things moving so the viewer didn't have time to think.

There does seem to be a tendency for this, move on quick before they notice the plot hole/ story arc hint. Confusing high speed and story pacing.

The pacing is actually becoming quite annoying. Even compared to the first few years with CE and DT the current shows are significantly faster, positively manic compared to a 2nd or 3rd Doctor storyline even taking into account the much slower pacing of TV then. I do think you are right and it is partly a device to paper over plot weaknesses as stories are compressed into 45 mins. Maybe when Matt Smith finally leaves we will have a different pacing as his character does tend to the faster pace. He is quite similar to Patrick Troughton but as his stories were 4 or 6 episodes long the running about and elements of slapstick weren't so noticeable and in your face.
Still a very enjoyable episode

they aren't going to win no matter what they do. If they had made it a two-parter, there would have been people complaining about how there wasn't enough story and there was too much padding and it would have been better as a single episode.

Alien in a sub, right down to that insectile clicking noise, predator designed by Wizards vs Aliens team face, kitschy 80's tunes and the better Doctor (Unbound) given a pointless cameo. I'm losing faith.

I know, I've requested this before, but it bears repeating: Does anyone have the soundtrack for the 5th Medic's swan song that was released last month? I'd really like to have it. Thanks!


Try this




Doctor Who - The Caves of Androzani (Original Television Soundtrack)
This is the music from Peter Davison's last episode. Played by The BBC Radiophonic Workshop & Delia Derbyshire

1. Doctor Who (Opening Theme)
2. Androzani Minor
3. Gun-Runners
4. Morgus and Chellak
5. Death Sentence
6. Sharaz Jek
7. Death Under the Red Cloth
8. Androids
9. Next Time It'll Be for Real
10. Nobody Lives for Ever
11. Spectrox
12. Salateen
13. Exile
14. Clever Little Android
15. Two Kilos, What a Deal
16. The Magma Beast
17. Blind Fools
18. Tear His Arms Out
19. Stage Three
20. Geostationary Orbit
21. The Girl Will Be Alone
22. Peri Abducted
23. Vertical Descent Pattern
24. It Could Have Been Worse
25. Do You Think I'm Mad?
26. The Doctor Pursued
27. Mud Burst
28. Morgus and Stotz
29. Face Off
30. Morgus Kaput
31. Not Beaten Yet
32. Milk of the Queen Bat
33. Return To The Tardis
34. Is This Death?
35. Doctor Who (Closing Theme)

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Normally I'd agree about the episodes being too fast paced, but this week I think the ep works better because of it. Just look at the situation ...

You have a hostile alien in an enclosed space killing the crew one by one, one who has the power to destroy the world with a single missle. You'd want to track him down asap - it would be a frantic race against time. The Doc even took the time to explain who the Ice Warriors are for the uninitiated.

The only thing I would've liked is some explanation about how Skaldak ended up trapped in the ice in the first place.

Please remember about spoilers. Remember not everyone has seen the episode yet ;)

Could someone help me find Warriors of Passion 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8? I've been enjoying the ones already uploaded.

Please remember about spoilers. Remember not everyone has seen the episode yet ;)

Spoilsport, do we have to stick to that? Even the big sites stick by the 'once it has aired it isn't a spoiler' rule. And it has been like 15 hours! Their own fault!

(The main point being that spoilers are a pain in the arse on a phone!)

We don't have to stick with it, but not everyone has seen it and imagine how you would like it if someone told you pretty much the entire plot before you had chance to watch it. I know it's been 15 hours, but not everyone gets it at the same time.

It's not a rule - just a courtesy; and sorry if it's a pain in the arse (actually I'm not - it's your own fault!) :D

Just a wild thought here... IF Matt Smith is leaving the role, as rumoured [and we all know the rumour mill] then possibly David Warner "tested" the water out [no pun intended BTW] regarding the whole production set up? After all, companions HAVE appeared in previous roles before, so why not a replacement for the title character?
Just a thought, nothing else.
After all, if the title character got any younger, he'd either be in nappies or covered in spots...

lol, not quite. I made the effort and watched the show as it aired.

I think my main problem with the people who moan about spoilers after airing is... Don't visit a fan site! One of the reasons I visit places like this and other forums is to discuss the show and share excitement as I logged on here to do. But then you get 'oh I don't get it over here for another day so it is a spoiler'. So stay away!! These are the same people that don't want to know the results of a football match yet visit BBC Sport's website. ie, Morons who really don't deserve any courtesy.

When is acceptable? a day? a week? a year? classic series only? new series only because some people are only just watching the classic series?

IMO. I am just being a prick really, and don't mean any offence or argument. I think my irrational fear of spoilers started because idiots (actual idiots) started using them to cover their own crap theories! I mean seriously? Take digital spy, the whole conversation ends up in spoilers because some thicko thinks that Clara is the Rani's next door neighbour.

(All very lighthearted, and I don't really mind either way but I do work away a lot and spoilers on iPads and phones are horrible to post with and read. Which yes, is my problem and fault!)

Spoiler free opinion.

Fast paced, in a good way, solid story and acting. I loved the dialogue, I loved the return of the Ice Warrior. I loved the return of the HADS, but I hated 'Can I have a lift?' - it may as well have ended with 'wah wah' and them all tutting 'Oh Doctor, will you ever learn' like some episode of Mork and Mindy.

Dreading next week. The Rings of Boredom guy returns already.

Just a wild thought here... IF Matt Smith is leaving the role, as rumoured [and we all know the rumour mill] then possibly David Warner "tested" the water out [no pun intended BTW] regarding the whole production set up? After all, companions HAVE appeared in previous roles before, so why not a replacement for the title character?
Just a thought, nothing else.


Doesn't the David Warner character say that you have to be young to do all the running round? If anything, that's the script writer telling you quite explicitly that you aren't going to get older actors in the role.

I tried to watch it as it aired, but company turned up just as it was starting so had to watch it on iPlayer when it turned up an hour or so later.

As for what is acceptable - that's entirely up to you. We get it on Saturday evening, but Oz don't get it until a Sunday evening but they're about 8 hours or so ahead of the UK.

As for staying away from fan sites - technically this thread is about the Audio Dramas. We just tend to go so far OT it's almost unbelievable.

I don't think you're being a prick and the only reason I mentioned the spoiler thing again is because somebody jokingly 'thanked' us for spoiling last week's ep for him and somebody asked us not to spoil this week's ep.

I was only joking about it being your own fault and throwing your own words back at you. :)

Sorry if I'm coming off high-handed and preachy, but my brother decided to tell me that Bruce Willis was dead in The 6th Sense, which kinda spoiled it and it's a movie I've never seen because of knowing that. :(

Doesn't the David Warner character say that you have to be young to do all the running round? If anything, that's the script writer telling you quite explicitly that you aren't going to get older actors in the role.

Or it could be David Warner telling us that he won't be running all over the place when he's the Doc. Highly unlikely, but I would like to see him in the role.

I tried to watch it as it aired, but company turned up just as it was starting so had to watch it on iPlayer when it turned up an hour or so later.

As for what is acceptable - that's entirely up to you. We get it on Saturday evening, but Oz don't get it until a Sunday evening but they're about 8 hours or so ahead of the UK.

As for staying away from fan sites - technically this thread is about the Audio Dramas. We just tend to go so far OT it's almost unbelievable.

I don't think you're being a prick and the only reason I mentioned the spoiler thing again is because somebody jokingly 'thanked' us for spoiling last week's ep for him and somebody asked us not to spoil this week's ep.

I was only joking about it being your own fault and throwing your own words back at you. :)

Sorry if I'm coming off high-handed and preachy, but my brother decided to tell me that Bruce Willis was dead in The 6th Sense, which kinda spoiled it and it's a movie I've never seen because of knowing that. :(

Since I tend not to download any of the dramas, I am not normally one of the people asking for links or posting links. I am so far behind on the main range it is ridiculous. I am buying a couple per month from amazon at a pretty good second hand price though, so it works out ok. Some episodes like the light at the end, I ordered as soon as I could.

Obviously I download any 8th Doctor episodes straight away. I am not crazy! The minute the next boxset says pre order, I will be all over it.

Anyway, my point was, I actually forget what this thread is even about sometimes. You are right, it is crazy off topic, but I like that...

You aren't coming across as preachy, I only argued my case here because it never goes down badly on this site. If I had spoken my mind on GB or DS, I would be banned!

Bruce Willis was dead in The 6th Sense

What? But?!
and I was finally get round to watching that tonight......

I think my main problem with the people who moan about spoilers after airing is... Don't visit a fan site!
I see what you're saying, however, this isn't the general chat thread. This is the audio drama thread. While I'm not actually saying don't talk about the show here, I feel that you should be sensitive when doing so.

Me, I've got a hold of the ep because of the good words going out. However, I haven't yet summoned up the will to watch it. A good episode from Mark Gatiss? Really? The idea is too bizzare for words.

On topic, does anyone know when the next Archeologist audio is coming? I liked the Christmas one, especially as it seems she's getting back together with the Medic! It's a dream team, you know.

You aren't coming across as preachy, I only argued my case here because it never goes down badly on this site. If I had spoken my mind on GB or DS, I would be banned!

Yeah, that's the good thing about this thread, we mostly seem able to discuss things like grown ups. I've been on a few other forums and found that there seems to be a handful of core posters and if you disagree with them you're pretty much harangued off the thread.

On topic, does anyone know when the next Archeologist audio is coming? I liked the Christmas one, especially as it seems she's getting back together with the Medic! It's a dream team, you know.

Could be any time this month. Hope it's sooner rather than later...

Spoilsport, do we have to stick to that? Even the big sites stick by the 'once it has aired it isn't a spoiler' rule. And it has been like 15 hours! Their own fault!


It's airing RIGHT NOW in Australia!! It's not our fault at all. It's when our tv chooses to air it. Is it really that hard to not spoil it for others??

It's airing RIGHT NOW in Australia!! It's not our fault at all. It's when our tv chooses to air it. Is it really that hard to not spoil it for others??

Please read my other post, where I argue all my points, argue against myself and address that.

Torrents maybe? Or is it that hard to stay away from places likely to have spoilers?

I am not saying what is right and wrong at all, but the point works both ways.

I would never intentionally spoil it for others, but equally if something is blurted out by any poster then it is fair enough really.

On the other hand I will be wetting myself with excitement for Wentworth (the re-imaganing of Prisoner) is on in Australia. I will be torrenting as soon as possible, no intention of waiting months for UK tv or the DVD. But if I didn't want spoilers then I wouldn't visit a Prisoner site. Audio or not.

Enjoy the episode.

We don't have to stick with it, but not everyone has seen it and imagine how you would like it if someone told you pretty much the entire plot before you had chance to watch it. I know it's been 15 hours, but not everyone gets it at the same time.

It's not a rule - just a courtesy; and sorry if it's a pain in the arse (actually I'm not - it's your own fault!) :D

My roomie has forbidden me to watch the eps alone - she says I have to wait for her. I'm naughty, I don't always do wait for her.

My roomie has forbidden me to watch the eps alone - she says I have to wait for her. I'm naughty, I don't always do wait for her.

I have done that many times. Having to watch it a second time, while pretending you haven't seen it is more difficult than it sounds!

I really wanted to enjoy Cold War but...

it was so 1 dimensional and cliched. There was no attempt to flesh out any characters beyond their names. We know it's possible in 45 minutes because it's been done loads of times since 2005 but Gatiss just seems to write Who as if it was still 1973 all time with guest characters who are just generic roles in the story. I just didn't care once it was finished. It's like eating a bland meal when you are really hungry.

My roomie has forbidden me to watch the eps alone - she says I have to wait for her. I'm naughty, I don't always do wait for her.

Get another roomie. (Only joking :))

I know this is the Audio thread but at the rate that new productions are released there is bound to be a bit off topic discussion especially around an episode airing. It is also good to have the occasional diversion into other audio drama that is in the same vein as the Doctor a la Blake's 7, Tomorrow People etc as long as it doesn't go overboard. I for one have been enjoying discovering new audio dramas and the interesting discussion that have been going on here as well as the core topic discussion

I know this is the Audio thread but at the rate that new productions are released there is bound to be a bit off topic discussion especially around an episode airing. It is also good to have the occasional diversion into other audio drama that is in the same vein as the Doctor a la Blake's 7, Tomorrow People etc as long as it doesn't go overboard. I for one have been enjoying discovering new audio dramas and the interesting discussion that have been going on here as well as the core topic discussion

Please don't misunderstand me, I wasn't complaining about all the OT stuff, I was pointing out that it wasn't supposed to be a general discussion thread. I completely agree about an occasional diversion otherwise the thread would be boring - a few posts every month and people constantly asking for audios.

more like a deliberate reference surely.
the bit with two ruskies searching
a line where one says something like "it so...alien"
and the IW grabs one up to the ceiling....
Alien3 anyone?

Exactly what I was thinking!

Great episode, I thought - dark, spooky, tense, and exciting, with a minimum of 'cringe' moments. And while David Warner could've been used more, he was still brilliant in every frame he was in. Agree about the CGI, didn't quite work: I would've definitely preferred prosthetics - the two didn't even seem to match. That said, the actual 'look' was quite good, and it wasn't on screen for too long.

(One thing, though - I thought Grand Marshals were the ones who looked like Ice Lords, but with glitter all over their helmets. Skaldak looked like martian footsoldier, but they called him Grand Marshal? Perhaps the ruling class - quite rightly - thought the glitter was laying it on a bit thick, and it was time to be more 'with the people' :) ...)

A cracker, then, with a nice classic base-under-siege vibe - next week looks promising, too. Love the look of the 'ghost'...

Sorry if I'm coming off high-handed and preachy, but my brother decided to tell me that Bruce Willis was dead in The 6th Sense, which kinda spoiled it and it's a movie I've never seen because of knowing that. :(

Same thing happened to my friend a few years back. He went to see a play, read the programme, and some prick had put that in as an hilarious 'joke'... Really spoilt his night, as he was rally looking forard to seeing the film and had managed to avoid being spoiled up to then...

I was just about to have a listen to the 7th medic audio, world help, or errr-th ay-de. its one of the unfound tales. However the version I have is laking any audioin the first 25 mins. Would some kind soul happen to have a full copy

I think David Warner and Richard E Grant were both cast because they have both previously played the Medic in one way or another before (as well as being good actors). Moffat managed to get Douglas Wilmer into a Sherlock episode. I wonder if Terry Molloy will make an appearance in Who.

There's a reference to a classic Medic in every episode this year so far: a wooly multi-coloured scarf in the background in the first, a reference to his grand-daughter in last week's, and the HADS this week. Seems like the right year to do this!

I was just about to have a listen to the 7th medic audio, world help, or errr-th ay-de. its one of the unfound tales. However the version I have is laking any audioin the first 25 mins. Would some kind soul happen to have a full copy

EDITED

Give me a an hour or so

I thankyou for your kindness neonihilist, however I have stumbled upon a torrent where I have now found the full version, yipee, if anybody else would like i have it to re-distribute

I thankyou for your kindness neonihilist, however I have stumbled upon a torrent where I have now found the full version, yipee, if anybody else would like i have it to re-distribute

ho hum!

hope you enjoy it, I love the twist, so good for audio.

A question about last night's episode...


I'm not the most well-versed in every little detail of DW history, but this had me wondering, especially after reading what you guys wrote about last weekend's episode.

So we know Oswin is a time anomoly like Jack was.
TARDIS does not like time anomolies. (anomolys? darn you English spelling!!!)
Last weekened the TARDIS wasn't translating any of the alien's languages for her.
And yet, last night, lo and behold 'I'm speaking Russian? I'm not speaking Russian? *leans over to the Doc* Am I speaking Russian?'
Now I understand from the whole story / writer's prespective it would've been a pain for Oswin to have been the only one not having a clue what the Russian dudes or the Ice Warrior were saying and to try and play that into the episode.

So, what was last night's episode when pretaining to this? Just a fluke on the writer's part? Something intentional?

I WAS going to also ask about when the TARDIS fft! and vanished from the sub and why 11 and Oswin could still understand the Russian dudes, but
1, with the TARDIS just relocating to the South Pole
2, and the Doctor still being conscious*, that just answered that question.
(*Saw in the first episode with Ten that the whole while he was unconscious, no one could understand what the aliens were saying.)


Oh, and about that Weeping Angel Cat video posted a few pages back, THANK YOU FOR SHARING!!
I swear, just seeing the original cat video was funny enough. Putting that Tenth Doctor bit to it just had me crying from laughing so much. Man, that just made my weekend right there.

This may be a site about the audios, but I actually love the fact that we do go off topic at times. On the whole its a great place and most of the posters are really great people. I agree with a prior comment that some of the other sites hound you off of them if you dont agree with the "elites" views. I once posted on one of them, no names here, that I was not too keen of the moffs style of story telling, and the amount of abuse that I had was incredible... however on that very same site now, many of them are calling for him to be replaced!!!

The show has been through so many changes of pace and style over the years, has embraced so many types of medium, tv, audio, books, comics, that it can and never will be always the same.

I am still not too keen on the moffs vision, but I am sure that it will change again when he eventually leaves..... that is if he does not become JNT mark 2...........

A question about last night's episode...




If you start really questioning how and when the translation ideas work then the whole series falls apart! :)

If memory serves last week, though, the only one it didn't work for properly was the 'barking' language and that, IMHO, was down to the power of "Comedic Effect".

And the Translational effect in "The Christmas Invasion" was, erm, a requirement of the plot. But could be handwaved by the effect being temporarily disrupted whilst the Doc's brain settled down after the regeneration.

This may be a site about the audios, but I actually love the fact that we do go off topic at times.

Agreed, it would be quite boring if all we taleked about was LC audios, the amount of times we go off topic and other members join in just shows how relaxed and friendly this place is.

This may be a site about the audios, but I actually love the fact that we do go off topic at times. On the whole its a great place and most of the posters are really great people. I agree with a prior comment that some of the other sites hound you off of them if you dont agree with the "elites" views. I once posted on one of them, no names here, that I was not too keen of the moffs style of story telling, and the amount of abuse that I had was incredible... however on that very same site now, many of them are calling for him to be replaced!!!

The show has been through so many changes of pace and style over the years, has embraced so many types of medium, tv, audio, books, comics, that it can and never will be always the same.

I am still not too keen on the moffs vision, but I am sure that it will change again when he eventually leave..... that is if he does not because JNT mark 2...........

Oh I had the same. I loved his stories under RTD, but as an actual showrunner, not for me. Voice that opinion and you may as well have killed their family pets. Never had so much abuse on a forum.

Shame, because I enjoy a lot of it and want to enjoy it all, but no point in lying when I don't.

I think what really gets me is Moff's attitude. If you don't enjoy it then it must mean you don't understand it and you are stupid. It is so arrogant.

If you start really questioning how and when the translation ideas work then the whole series falls apart! :)

If memory serves last week, though, the only one it didn't work for properly was the 'barking' language and that, IMHO, was down to the power of "Comedic Effect".

And the Translational effect in "The Christmas Invasion" was, erm, a requirement of the plot. But could be handwaved by the effect being temporarily disrupted whilst the Doc's brain settled down after the regeneration.


A couple of questions about the tranlation effect
1. Does it just work for the Doc and his companion, or everyone in the vicinity?
2. How far does the effect reach? Assuming last night's story was set somewhere near the North Pole and where the Tardis ended up, it seems to have the hell of a range.

Has any of this actually been established?

Hi folks. Ive been away for a bit (ie bloody months :p) and i'm a bit flummoxed by the li nks. I just can't seem to find them.

Am i being a total idiot or what? What am i doing wrong.

Thanks

A couple of questions about the translation effect
1. Does it just work for the Doc and his companion, or everyone in the vicinity?
2. How far does the effect reach? Assuming last night's story was set somewhere near the North Pole and where the Tardis ended up, it seems to have the hell of a range.

Has any of this actually been established?

TBH the best way to describe it would be to give the same answer that Gene Roddenberry gave when asked how the Transporter worked ... so, 'how does the translation work?', "Rather well, actually!"

:)

Hi folks. Ive been away for a bit (ie bloody months :p) and i'm a bit flummoxed by the li nks. I just can't seem to find them.

Am i being a total idiot or what? What am i doing wrong.

Thanks

If you see RWQ then click 'Reply With Quote' and you'll then see the links

If you see RWQ then click 'Reply With Quote' and you'll then see the links

Thanks so much, mate. Appreciate it.

TBH the best way to describe it would be to give the same answer that Gene Roddenberry gave when asked how the Transporter worked ... so, 'how does the translation work?', "Rather well, actually!"

:)

Thanks Nobber (rolling my eyes and tutting :D)

Gotta say Warner would be great but the market forces would never allow it. My vote goes to Robert Sheehan for the next medic.

Gotta say Warner would be great but the market forces would never allow it. My vote goes to Robert Sheehan for the next medic.

It isn't market forces that would stop a 71 year old actor from being the next Doctor. A hectic 9 month schedule would probably finish him off.

It isn't market forces that would stop a 71 year old actor from being the next Doctor. A hectic 9 month schedule would probably finish him off.

Very true! But if we're starting the whole 'who we'd like to see as the new Doc' thing again, I'd like to see Philip Glennister give a Dalek a kicking - Gene Hunt style. :)

Anyone willing to use an ed2k program could dl the dw eps quite quickly using this site. I do because we don't have the HD american beeb yet and the special effects look horrible when viewed in sd on a hd tv. No commercials and no risk of edits doesn't hurt. Watching it six or seven hours early is gravy.

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Gotta say Warner would be great but the market forces would never allow it. My vote goes to Robert Sheehan for the next medic.

nah... I think Damien Molony, who played Hal, in the last two series of BeInG HuMaN, would be perfect!

nah... I think Damien Molony, who played Hal, in the last two series of BeInG HuMaN, would be perfect!

second that! or maybe Aidan Turner from the earlier series of the same?

nah... I think Damien Molony, who played Hal, in the last two series of BeInG HuMaN, would be perfect!

Nope, Thomas Sangster is the only possible choice

Please don't misunderstand me, I wasn't complaining about all the OT stuff, I was pointing out that it wasn't supposed to be a general discussion thread. I completely agree about an occasional diversion otherwise the thread would be boring - a few posts every month and people constantly asking for audios.

This thread does a really good job of keeping itself vaguely within the parameters of audio, but can still go off on whatever tangent without derailing the whole thing. If this were GB, we'd have had a couple of mods and an admin chiming in about how they spent the better half of their night deleting posts and writing stern warnings to plebeians.

Sorry, went off on a tangent there.

Nope, Thomas Sangster is the only possible choice

really?! can he vote yet? i bet he still gets ID checked in pubs...

Nope, Thomas Sangster is the only possible choice

I'd say you're having a laugh but there is that little nagging voice at the back of my head suddenly sniggering in an evil way...

Very true! But if we're starting the whole 'who we'd like to see as the new Doc' thing again, I'd like to see Philip Glennister give a Dalek a kicking - Gene Hunt style. :)

Hands of Glennister. I want him and Emily Fox for S&S

My current 'wish-list' for the next Doc are (in no particular order), Stephen Mangan, Ryan Cartwright, Paul Bettany, Mark Addy, Marcus Brigstocke, Michael Kitchen, Anthony Howell, Darren Boyd

Nope, Thomas Sangster is the only possible choice

Had to Google who the heck that was. I feel old.

really?! can he vote yet? i bet he still gets ID checked in pubs...

He's 23 this May



I'd say you're having a laugh but there is that little nagging voice at the back of my head suddenly sniggering in an evil way...

No, I'm serious.

The general trend is for each medic to be younger. If you buy the idea that whatever was going on with the "observer" between 4 and 5 altered the order as part of a plan to avoid The Junkyard (my own head canon) it fits.

ChronoBarons age backwards!
And they LOVE their titles. "medic" is the equivalent of a Key Stage Two (eleven years old for non UK-ers) and the First was stolen by/stole the "museum piece" while on a school trip.

Younger actor, but older personality.
weary, bitter, disgruntled. A LOT darker.

Would be so good, but it'll never happen

Crumbs! It's been ages since I last heard that one. In fact I think the last time I even thought of it was a while back during a "this is how not to do CD artwork" discussion. AFAIR, though, the story is much better than the cover! :)

There's actually a guy who did a bunch of fan covers for those early ones who's brilliant.

There's actually a guy who did a bunch of fan covers for those early ones who's brilliant.



Much, much better than the original. Time to change the cover art! What else has he done?

Much, much better than the original. Time to change the cover art! What else has he done?




http://www.colinbrockhurst.co.uk/portfolio/

Oh I had the same. I loved his stories under RTD, but as an actual showrunner, not for me. Voice that opinion and you may as well have killed their family pets. Never had so much abuse on a forum.

Shame, because I enjoy a lot of it and want to enjoy it all, but no point in lying when I don't.

I think what really gets me is Moff's attitude. If you don't enjoy it then it must mean you don't understand it and you are stupid. It is so arrogant.

Internet forums are populated by jerks just waiting to pounce on you - except this one!

Moffats success depends entirely on people focusing so much on the bits that are clever that they forget/ignore the bits that don't work! I like a lot of his stories but if you look at ANY of them in detail & they just fall apart!

I like a lot of his stories but if you look at ANY of them in detail & they just fall apart!

:) I think that could be levelled at nearly every other story over the show history.

:) I think that could be levelled at nearly every other story over the show history.

Agree totally. The balancing act is to have the plot detail and pacing so you just go along with things. There is a lot of rose tinted glasses looking back at the old stuff of which I am as guilty as anyone else. I think you have to have one eye on current TV programmes and the other on the history and ethos of the show. Not surprising that occasionally folks go cross eyed and produce a stinker like last weeks episode. Hope the writer manages it better for next weeks episode....

A question about last night's episode...


I'm not the most well-versed in every little detail of DW history, but this had me wondering, especially after reading what you guys wrote about last weekend's episode.

So we know Oswin is a time anomoly like Jack was.
TARDIS does not like time anomolies. (anomolys? darn you English spelling!!!)
Last weekened the TARDIS wasn't translating any of the alien's languages for her.
And yet, last night, lo and behold 'I'm speaking Russian? I'm not speaking Russian? *leans over to the Doc* Am I speaking Russian?'
Now I understand from the whole story / writer's prespective it would've been a pain for Oswin to have been the only one not having a clue what the Russian dudes or the Ice Warrior were saying and to try and play that into the episode.

So, what was last night's episode when pretaining to this? Just a fluke on the writer's part? Something intentional?

I WAS going to also ask about when the TARDIS fft! and vanished from the sub and why 11 and Oswin could still understand the Russian dudes, but
1, with the TARDIS just relocating to the South Pole
2, and the Doctor still being conscious*, that just answered that question.
(*Saw in the first episode with Ten that the whole while he was unconscious, no one could understand what the aliens were saying.)


Oh, and about that Weeping Angel Cat video posted a few pages back, THANK YOU FOR SHARING!!
I swear, just seeing the original cat video was funny enough. Putting that Tenth Doctor bit to it just had me crying from laughing so much. Man, that just made my weekend right there.

I basically consider the translation function like i do the isomorphic controls, the famed "state of grace" that disables all energy weapons and the relative ease/difficulty with which one enters the TARDIS. Some people just happen to open the door or chisel out the lock (remember that one from the 60's?) while the hordes of Khan can't get into it for nothing.
I would think it has to do with the telepathic circuits / semi-sentience (or fully sentience) of the TARDIS. it "knows" who to translate for. otherwise it would be chaos. you could have a chinese and a frenchman having tea in London speaking... what exactly? perfect English? bad chinese? bad french? typical case of suspension of disbelief. in other words, don't waste too much brain power on it, just take it in stride :)

:) I think that could be levelled at nearly every other story over the show history.

Yeah, that's fair!

The general trend is for each medic to be younger. If you buy the idea that whatever was going on with the "observer" between 4 and 5 altered the order as part of a plan to avoid The Junkyard (my own head canon) it fits.

ChronoBarons age backwards!

... except that none of the other ones (except for the very recentmost Magister) seemed to do so. And I wouldn't really say that 9 looked at all younger than 8.
I've always considered that the apparent age of the new face is a reaction to the old face's experiences.
I figure "well this last one frequently had to run, but he still died, so obviously he didn't run fast enough. Next one should be better at running. How to do that? Ah! Younger!" :p



Don't keep me / us in suspense, please tell all now :)UmmNyssa, "The Light At The End", it features the first eight Medics and is not at all based on The Eight Medics.
There was probably more but I wasn't taking notes.Back on the theme of the Con, one thing that bothered me was the fact that while they were selling plenty of stuff with 1-4, and of course loads with 5-8, and naturally a metric boatload of 10 and 11, the only stuff I could find featuring 9 other than the dvd set of his season was Everyone Merch. There was no 9 merchandise! No books, certainly no figurines, not even any stinkin' badges :(

I feel a bit stoopid. It's only just hit me that the year in which "Cold War" was set was, of course, the same year as the 20th Anniversary.

D'oh!

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Missing Episodes Thoughts

First time poster here who has been reading with interest your conversation about the missing episodes Foe mentioned. I kept meaning to mention this all of last week, but I noticed that Ian Levine's twitter feed for April 1st stated the following So what happened to all the expected Doctor Who April Fools I expected to be reading "Seventy Eight missing episodes turn up in Africa" lol.

I didn't know what to make of this - especially since (a) Foe has said he has seen clips of episodes that dont exist and (b) Ian Levine seems to have made a habit of winding Who fans up with a "i know something you dont know" attitude for years.

I would love Foe to be on the money here, but I genuinely dont think if the BBC had found the episodes (50th anniversary or not) that (a) they would hold news of the find back and (b) would be able to even if they tried! Dont get me wrong Levine's post could be taken that he is having fun with us all and the imminent Moonbase DVD release is the first of many rediscovered Whos, but is it likely...really?

Regardless, if the episodes havent been found and Foe is wrong, I do not subscribe to him having misled us all on purpose. He is - like burneggroll before him - one of the best posters in this forum and if he is wrong I am sure it is just a mistake. I, on behalf of many posters or fans watching in the wings (as I was before today) would like to thank him for all his efforts on this forum and hope HOPE that he is right...I so want to see The Wheel In Space!!

I have a feeling that Ian may not know things now as he has in the past burnt a lot of bridges with both the DVD people and the Doctor Who makers with his attitude*. Also the time frame part is normal as the 2 recently discovered episodes were only announced some months after being found (If I recall, they were announce at the start of December 2011 but had been located as early as May/June of that year)

Plus, as Foe said, this seems to be more surrounding this than the normal episode finds we have had in recent years, so this maybe why it is taking so long (if all is true)

* I should point out here that while he has done well for the show and missing episodes in the past, he does come across a little to full of himself online, and this has been backed up by several stories I have heard about him looking down at new series fans or those who may not have been born when the show started but watched it from a later point... Plus he did unleash that charity single and Take That on us.

I tried to watch it as it aired, but company turned up just as it was starting so had to watch it on iPlayer when it turned up an hour or so later.

As for what is acceptable - that's entirely up to you. We get it on Saturday evening, but Oz don't get it until a Sunday evening but they're about 8 hours or so ahead of the UK.

As for staying away from fan sites - technically this thread is about the Audio Dramas. We just tend to go so far OT it's almost unbelievable.

I don't think you're being a prick and the only reason I mentioned the spoiler thing again is because somebody jokingly 'thanked' us for spoiling last week's ep for him and somebody asked us not to spoil this week's ep.

I was only joking about it being your own fault and throwing your own words back at you. :)

Sorry if I'm coming off high-handed and preachy, but my brother decided to tell me that Bruce Willis was dead in The 6th Sense, which kinda spoiled it and it's a movie I've never seen because of knowing that. :(

OMG, Bruce Willis was dead in that movie?

Sorry, just kidding.

Missing Episodes Thoughts

I would love Foe to be on the money here, but I genuinely dont think if the BBC had found the episodes (50th anniversary or not) that (a) they would hold news of the find back and (b) would be able to even if they tried!

Assuming they have been found, there's plenty of reasons for an official announcement to be held back.

A simple one - The BBC may not even OWN the tapes. Just because they've finally been found a the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard' it doesn't mean the BBC/BBC Worldwide actually has any rights to them. They may well own the IP of the CONTENT of the tapes, but the actual physical media itself could be the property of someone else.

And then there's transmission/distribution - You can't just shove all this stuff on DVD for sale without due-diligence that all concerned are OK with it. For instance, any thing with the Daleks must be cleared through the Nation estate.

But, fingers crossed, we're all in for a nice surprise by the end of the year.

* I should point out here that while he has done well for the show and missing episodes in the past, he does come across a little to full of himself online, and this has been backed up by several stories I have heard about him looking down at new series fans or those who may not have been born when the show started but watched it from a later point... Plus he did unleash that charity single and Take That on us.

He's a spoiled manchild who is not burdened with empathy, the tools of interpersonal communication or a conscience. I have seem him berate a child online for fan art, saying that he could do it far better. The irony is that a lot of the "films" he makes for himself give drivel a bad name. There seems to be a fair amount of cognitive dissonance at work. I don't mean to get personal or beat an obsessive horse, but my point is that everything that man says online is for the singular purpose of promoting himself. He speaks in nothing but hyperbole, be it glowing or vicious. Usually the first, and then later the second. It's always talk of betrayal and lies, etc, etc, et-effing-cetera.

Having said all of that, if there are recovered stories, and if Levine has nothing to do with their finding, his place in the echelons of fandom becomes somewhat less important than it used to be. He is the type that I think would prefer there to be missing episodes than episodes that aren't recovered by him. Whatever the news is, expect vitriol from his general direction.

It should be noted that I am not much of a fan of the man.

It should be noted that I am not much of a fan of the man.

I was wondering, but it's impossible to tell with such ambiguous language.

Assuming they have been found, there's plenty of reasons for an official announcement to be held back.

A simple one - The BBC may not even OWN the tapes. Just because they've finally been found a the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard' it doesn't mean the BBC/BBC Worldwide actually has any rights to them. They may well own the IP of the CONTENT of the tapes, but the actual physical media itself could be the property of someone else.

And then there's transmission/distribution - You can't just shove all this stuff on DVD for sale without due-diligence that all concerned are OK with it. For instance, any thing with the Daleks must be cleared through the Nation estate.

But, fingers crossed, we're all in for a nice surprise by the end of the year.
Assuming the story is even true........

when asked what clips he has seen someone has been pretty damn silent....

Don't believe the story one iota....

[p.s. my friend who has his own personal copy of Water Polo.... says i can see it but for reasons that are pretty much obfuscatory he says i can't tell you i saw them]

...He is the type that I think would prefer there to be missing episodes than episodes that aren't recovered by him...
Whatever else you may say of him - this bit clearly isn't true. He would walk barefoot across hot coals to recover a missing episode, so deep is his love for the show. He'd even admit he was wrong.

Whatever else you may say of him - this bit clearly isn't true. He would walk barefoot across hot coals to recover a missing episode, so deep is his love for the show. He'd even admit he was wrong.

you forgot shy, retiring, and respectful of other's opinions ;)

Assuming the story is even true........

when asked what clips he has seen someone has been pretty damn silent....

Don't believe the story one iota....

[p.s. my friend who has his own personal copy of Water Polo.... says i can see it but for reasons that are pretty much obfuscatory he says i can't tell you i saw them]
believe it or not is one thing, but to be rude about it is another thing

believe it or not is one thing, but to be rude about it is another thing

Compared to previous posts it seems he is trying to be polite, sarcastic ... but polite.

He's a spoiled manchild who is not burdened with empathy, the tools of interpersonal communication or a conscience. I have seem him berate a child online for fan art, saying that he could do it far better. The irony is that a lot of the "films" he makes for himself give drivel a bad name. There seems to be a fair amount of cognitive dissonance at work. I don't mean to get personal or beat an obsessive horse, but my point is that everything that man says online is for the singular purpose of promoting himself. He speaks in nothing but hyperbole, be it glowing or vicious. Usually the first, and then later the second. It's always talk of betrayal and lies, etc, etc, et-effing-cetera.

Having said all of that, if there are recovered stories, and if Levine has nothing to do with their finding, his place in the echelons of fandom becomes somewhat less important than it used to be. He is the type that I think would prefer there to be missing episodes than episodes that aren't recovered by him. Whatever the news is, expect vitriol from his general direction.

It should be noted that I am not much of a fan of the man.

Please don't beat about the bush ... tell us what you really think about the man :D

Compared to previous posts it seems he is trying to be polite, sarcastic ... but polite.

I'll eat a Dalek if the Story is ... true......--- don't believe it for a second..... it may have to do with my school of belief in which chickens lay addled eggs and whether the moon is made of cheese.....

I say poppycock! tell us the epsides that the clips you saw so we have some idea or what to look forward to Foe? [you did say you were very familiar with them... and you already told us that there are episodes... so why beat about the burning Mel .... tell us what we have to look forward to in your 5 faces of delusion.....

Please don't beat about the bush ... tell us what you really think about the man :D

Can you imagine the screaming when the Bush is being beaten.???

tell us what we have to look forward to in your 5 faces of delusion.....

You were going so well till this point. Why be so antagonistic? It doesn't get you anything, makes you look a bit like a stereotypical angry nerd (think Comic Book Guy in The Simpsons - all sarcasm and social maladjustment), and probably makes Foe less inclined to discuss anything with you at all.

You were going so well till this point. Why be so antagonistic? It doesn't get you anything, makes you look a bit like a stereotypical angry nerd (think Comic Book Guy in The Simpsons - all sarcasm and social maladjustment), and probably makes Foe less inclined to discuss anything with you at all.

I'm starting to think he lives under a bridge and only comes out when a billygoat crosses it.

You were going so well till this point. Why be so antagonistic? It doesn't get you anything, makes you look a bit like a stereotypical angry nerd (think Comic Book Guy in The Simpsons - all sarcasm and social maladjustment), and probably makes Foe less inclined to discuss anything with you at all.

" you made me mad so i'm not going to prove to you that i am not a liar!!!!!!!."....... typical ending to the hoax storylines

[just curious why he can't tell us the namje of the episodes he saw? what tipped him off that his "friend" has a this suculent piece of meat and was only giving him a morsel.... and then said nah nah you cant see anything else...[we are assuming that his friend is as real as the episodes right?

You were going so well till this point. Why be so antagonistic? It doesn't get you anything, makes you look a bit like a stereotypical angry nerd (think Comic Book Guy in The Simpsons - all sarcasm and social maladjustment), and probably makes Foe less inclined to discuss anything with you at all.

but i WANT to know!!! NOW!!! WAAAAHHHHH!!!!! *goes off and sulks in the corner* mummy foe is being meeeeeaaaaannnnnnn to me.....

*where's that sarcasm font when i need it??

The sulky brat routine is getting old.

If it's true, then YAY!! If it's false, then damn!! Either way, it's not costing any of us a cent to hope and dream, and not doing anyone any harm either. Personally, i think we'll find that some episodes are still out there, somewhere, probably in private hands and one day they'll reappear when the person who has them realises what they are, or they are found in some dusty box in an attic. Sooner or later, I don't really care and i refuse to stop hoping!!

i just love how Foe is just the latest in a long line to try and improve his "internet cred" with a story of "missing episodes" ..... quite goos this time really... but let'sa be real.... his story REEEKS of hoax and falsehood... it doesn't even pass the benefit of the doubt smell test... because he himself claims to have seen them .....

it is one thing to have hope it is another to raise false hope.. i love to hope as much as tyhe next guy... but this it saying they are there and then snatching that hope away....

i just love how Foe is just the latest in a long line to try and improve his "internet cred" with a story of "missing episodes" ..... quite goos this time really... but let'sa be real.... his story REEEKS of hoax and falsehood... it doesn't even pass the benefit of the doubt smell test... because he himself claims to have seen them .....

it is one thing to have hope it is another to raise false hope.. i love to hope as much as tyhe next guy... but this it saying they are there and then snatching that hope away....

Except he isn't trying to improve his internet cred. He's told us. He hasn't run around the net, posting this info on every forum.

Bet your parents once said that 'maybe' you could have a puppy for christmas and then didn't get you one. Is that where all this hostility is coming from? You got disappointed once and now that's it.

but he has YOU defending him and he really hasn't shown you anything to defend --correct? He got cred from you by dangling a little piece of meat... and now here i am doubting him...and you are coming to his defense.... his cred rose in your eyes.....[for a liar]

and funny 4-5 people have stiahgt out asked him what he saw,... and he sidesteps or ignores the question....... *sniff sniff* that smell is reeking of falsehood

but again we shall see.. i venture--- by this time November we won't have any missing episodes [at least not the stash that is a figment of Foe's mind] But he'll will have some elaborate story about how his contacts misled him......

post 9718 ------ we'll revisit this in november .... and see how many time Foe b dangles his story in front of us till then ...

I'll eat a Dalek if i'm wrong... but dollars to daleks...i'm not

Except he isn't trying to improve his internet cred. He's told us. He hasn't run around the net, posting this info on every forum.

Bet your parents once said that 'maybe' you could have a puppy for christmas and then didn't get you one. Is that where all this hostility is coming from? You got disappointed once and now that's it.

it wasn't a puppy... it was a robotic dog..... that had a number and letter on the side... forget the name.

and we all know that if this happens i'm gonna spend.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuBJ5H9m3Sc

No actually, his cred didn't rise in my eyes. As I've already stated, I'm not sure if these episodes exist but I'm willing to believe him. My defence of him has nothing to do with the story, it's about how your attitude has been in regard to the story. If it had been you who had leaked the news and someone else had reacted as you had, I would be siding with you.

You're allowed your opinion and I salute you for sticking to your guns - it's just the way you've put yourself across some of us have issue with.

No his 'cred' hasn't risen in my eyes.
But then, like him I believe, internet cred isn't the thing to be chased after in my life.
He may be wrong, mistaken whatever.
I fail to see what anyone could gain from fraud such as this (if it is fraud - fingers crossed it's not)
What he doesn't deserve, nor anyone, is small minded petty bullying comments that would be out of place in a primary school yard.

In fact, if anything, his cred will actually be damaged because of people like you if this story does turn out to be false. So what possible reason could he have to tell us lies?

we'll see.........

Nope, Thomas Sangster is the only possible choice

Well, watching him on Game of Thrones this week, it sounds like his voice is still breaking, so he's the right age... ;P

I'll be honest, I think he's a bit bland as an actor, but to each their own...

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There's actually a guy who did a bunch of fan covers for those early ones who's brilliant.



Niiiiiice...

I have a feeling that Ian may not know things now as he has in the past burnt a lot of bridges with both the DVD people and the Doctor Who makers with his attitude*. Also the time frame part is normal as the 2 recently discovered episodes were only announced some months after being found (If I recall, they were announce at the start of December 2011 but had been located as early as May/June of that year)

Plus, as Foe said, this seems to be more surrounding this than the normal episode finds we have had in recent years, so this maybe why it is taking so long (if all is true)

* I should point out here that while he has done well for the show and missing episodes in the past, he does come across a little to full of himself online, and this has been backed up by several stories I have heard about him looking down at new series fans or those who may not have been born when the show started but watched it from a later point... Plus he did unleash that charity single and Take That on us.

Ian Levine is an obnoxious tw*t. Case closed.

Assuming the story is even true........

when asked what clips he has seen someone has been pretty damn silent....

Don't believe the story one iota....

[p.s. my friend who has his own personal copy of Water Polo.... says i can see it but for reasons that are pretty much obfuscatory he says i can't tell you i saw them]

Please shut up Ttwonk - we're bored now...

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but he has YOU defending him and he really hasn't shown you anything to defend --correct? He got cred from you by dangling a little piece of meat... and now here i am doubting him...and you are coming to his defense.... his cred rose in your eyes.....[for a liar]

and funny 4-5 people have stiahgt out asked him what he saw,... and he sidesteps or ignores the question....... *sniff sniff* that smell is reeking of falsehood

but again we shall see.. i venture--- by this time November we won't have any missing episodes [at least not the stash that is a figment of Foe's mind] But he'll will have some elaborate story about how his contacts misled him......

post 9718 ------ we'll revisit this in november .... and see how many time Foe b dangles his story in front of us till then ...

I'll eat a Dalek if i'm wrong... but dollars to daleks...i'm not

Oh, for the love of god, Levine (it's you, isn't it??), give it a bleedin' REST!! We get it - you don't believe him and you think we're all idiots for hoping it's true. Fine. Thanks. We got it the first time. Please. Seriously. Shut the photon up now. It's just boring and childish...

And if, in November or whenever, he's proved wrong, don't bother coming back here to gloat - go somewhere they'll actually give a toss. FitthrowingFanboyOverreactors.com, perhaps...

Sorry everyone - I'm usually pretty low-key, but I am so SICK of this s**t...

ahh,he is starting again..
i am really sorry if it is anything to do with my post earlier

Sorry everyone - I'm usually pretty low-key, but I am so SICK of this s**t...

Here, here! How about letting it drop until we hear one way or the other. I think we all know where we stand and further discussion is not going to change anyone's mind.

i am sick of liars on the internet.... so we are even.

wow..unbelievable

ahh,he is starting again..
i am really sorry if it is anything to do with my post earlier

No worries. If it wasn't you it would've been something else set him off.

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I mean this in the politest way possible, but would you please stop carrying on?

so much more polite than he deserves; and much more polite than what I'm thinking.

btw: if you're sick of liars on the internet I would suggest that you refrain from being on the internet. It, like the world at large, is full of them and also full of self-serving, narrow-minded, intolerant, perhaps frightened, bullies. The thing is to realise that and rise above it.
I'm all for freedom of speech and freedom of expression; but not to use those things to be bullying and vindictive.

I think i shall pass on posting for a while now.

Here, here! How about letting it drop until we hear one way or the other. I think we all know where we stand and further discussion is not going to change anyone's mind. sorry andy - I couldn't help myself!

as esgal also said: it's meant to be fun!

we just all need to remember rule #1 of the internet....

Don't feed the troll

Now, I'm off to feed my own personal little trolls...ummm...kids ;)

sorry andy - I couldn't help myself!

as esgal also said: it's meant to be fun!

S'all right. Couldn't help chuckling at Looshkin's contribution (#9728). Couldn't have got more to the point if he tried :D

" you made me mad so i'm not going to prove to you that i am not a liar!!!!!!!.".......

"Don't make him angry, you won't like him when he's angry!" Ok I know that's a miss quote :)

This old cookie again? Why can't you just except that people will believe what they want and who they want (and like), the snippet that foe gave us isn't doing you any harm, apart from perhaps your blood pressure, I accept you don't believe him, it makes no difference to me what you choose to believe or disbelieve. If he's wrong then it's a genuine mistake on his part and I suppose you can sit there and say "I told you so", and you would no doubt take great pleasure in doing so. But just imagine if he's right... even you have to admit it would be nice.

We are all no doubt wondering what clips foe has seen to make him believe he isn't being deceived, but imagine if you were in the position of being shown something you know does not exist in the archive and then asked to keep what you have seen a secret for a little while longer, would you go against your friends wishes?

You certainly know how to inspire healthy debate, I'll give you that, all we need now is for you to drop the sarcasm.


i am sick of liars on the internet....

I think we can all relate to that, being able to filter truth from deceit is never going to be that simple, especially information taken from the net, you just need to distinguish between lies and information given in good faith that's all, and I mean that nicely.

He's a spoiled manchild who is not burdened with empathy, the tools of interpersonal communication or a conscience. I have seem him berate a child online for fan art, saying that he could do it far better. The irony is that a lot of the "films" he makes for himself give drivel a bad name. There seems to be a fair amount of cognitive dissonance at work. I don't mean to get personal or beat an obsessive horse, but my point is that everything that man says online is for the singular purpose of promoting himself. He speaks in nothing but hyperbole, be it glowing or vicious. Usually the first, and then later the second. It's always talk of betrayal and lies, etc, etc, et-effing-cetera.

Having said all of that, if there are recovered stories, and if Levine has nothing to do with their finding, his place in the echelons of fandom becomes somewhat less important than it used to be. He is the type that I think would prefer there to be missing episodes than episodes that aren't recovered by him. Whatever the news is, expect vitriol from his general direction.

It should be noted that I am not much of a fan of the man.


Well I do think this also.... I was being too nice I feel :P

Oh, for the love of god, Levine (it's you, isn't it??)

I was beginning to think this too....

No he's not Levine, I had the very unfortunate experience of being in the same room as him years ago. Compared to that pr*ck our friend is a positive joy, at least he inspires debate, the only thing Levine inspires is projectile vomiting.

ah so not a troll just aspiring to be a troll one day? *significantly edited post - thought i'd better not go with my first thought - not suitable for public consumption....

soooooooooooo

who's looking forward to next week's episode??
What does everyone think of the latest large conclusions?

(ie, let's get off this unpleasant subject and back onto something we all enjoy) :)

I'm really looking forward to the week after, Trip To The Middle Of The SID-RAT, I can't wait to see what they have in store for us, hope it's not just long corridors and half glimpsed rooms.

I'm really looking forward to the week after, Trip To The Middle Of The SID-RAT, I can't wait to see what they have in store for us, hope it's not just long corridors and half glimpsed rooms.

Well it's got to be better than the boiler rooms, plumbing and old basements that they used in the Invasion of Time. I have been desperately avoiding any mention of plots for the remaining episodes so hopefully it will be a pleasant/scary surprise.

Do people think that the final episode will be a cliff-hanger leading into the 50th Special....

I always enjoyed the classic eps where we got to see the interior so it will be most interesting to see what they've come up with for the anniversary year - knowing that the old sole-con rooms are in storage maybe we'll see some of the earliest :)

yes lokisph - i've been doing the same with the plots - i've got the latest mag and can't read most of it yet. I've filed it away so i'm not tempted :)

who's looking forward to next week's episode??

me, me..from the trailer it looks like a proper horror/fantasy genre

I can just imagine the reaction if he came on and told us Yes, I can confirm I have now seen the entire Power of the Daleks serial...All that waiting for it and turned out to be not very good! He would receive absolute dogs abuse.
I've read the novelisation. I can tell you that either the book was done badly, or yes, POTD isn't exactly top notch.

Do people think that the final episode will be a cliff-hanger leading into the 50th Special....
Yes