Has the underlying story ...

Ghost is really a trapped time-traveller

... been used before? It rings bells. Something by BF? Possibly not even a DW story.

reminds me of the Eighth novel Time Zero, with George Williamson.

Medic 3 vs ghosts




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Though if anyone has any of the Yeti, Cybermen (doughnut in black void particularly) BBC narrated soundtracks I would be grateful.

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I recommend not posting the entire title of the Baker ABook, unless you want the uploader to get in C&D strife.

uploading your doughnut now.

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WHOM ON PLANETOID TERRA FIRMA IS THOMAS THE BREADMAKER- AUDIOBOOK BY AUTHOR

Hi folks, I requested this myself earlier, but did a little digging round t'internet and found it. As this has been Hitchhikers weekend on the forum, I thought I would share and enjoy Not my uploads so I cant take credit.

Though if anyone has any of the Yeti, Cybermen (doughnut in black void particularly) BBC narrated soundtracks I would be grateful.



Uploading the Doughnut & Lunar Outpost. Ignore the Doughnut - started uploading before I saw Sashabot's post.

Will be taking the Tolkien audios down soon. If anyone else wants them shout and I'll PM a link :)

Uploading the Doughnut & Lunar Outpost. Ignore the Doughnut - started uploading before I saw Sashabot's post.

Will be taking the Tolkien audios down soon. If anyone else wants them shout and I'll PM a link :)

Cheers andy.

I'm not shy of sharing at the moment so if anybody wants the Tolkien audios after you take them down I could fill the gap.

Cheers andy.

I'm not shy of sharing at the moment so if anybody wants the Tolkien audios after you take them down I could fill the gap.

Cheers m8.

The TARDIS materializes on board the maiden voyage of a pioneering space cruiser, traveling from Earth to the planet Eternity. The Doctor has just started exploring the vehicle when there is a loud bang, a massive jolt and a flash of light. Shortly afterwards, he discovers that nearly all the passengers and crew have disappeared. Unless the Doctor and flight attendant Sugar MacAuley can take control and steer the ship, they could crash-land—or stay in space forever.





Read by David Tennant

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No, please don't get me wrong, you have - I just feel a bit sad that everyone seems to be disliking this era so much, when I'm enjoying it so much, that's all.

As I've said before, I really like the Moffat/Smith era, and while I agree there's been some stinkers (Victory, Black Spot, Rings), I really enjoy the majority. I've watched them all several times, and my opinion hasn't changed. I get the whole 'over clever' thing, I really do, and agree to an extent that he can sometimes go too far with the 'clever' stuff (I'll admit to being a little worried about the whole 'Name of the Medic' thing & certain rumours about the 50th), more stand-alones would be good, Alex Kingston is over-used, and so forth, but overall I like the 11th Doctor & his era more than the 10th and his, and for the most part I LOVED that.

However, I don't think it's fair to accuse Moffat of doing a half-arsed job, though, I really don't think he'd be that unprofessional. By all means criticise his style of storytelling, but that's a very different thing to him not giving a shit...

Whether I'll still feel this way in 10 years time, who knows, but I've always loved EVERY era of DW, no matter what the faults, so chances are I will.

Just my opinion, just as yours are yours. Please don't think I'm angry or anything, just stating my thoughts. I love this place and interacting with you guys, and hope to for a long time. Just please let me know if I ever start to sound like a TTROLL... :P

and you sir can go disappear up your own ass for starting shit

and you sir can go disappear up your own ass for starting shit

and such class ttroll

Take your gutter talk to a forum where it's welcome - cos it sure as hell isn't welcome here!!

HIDE... a very appropriate title... I think every actor should hide after this one! As far as haunted house stories, I think the one in SJA was much better. Pocket universe? Sure why not. But the 2 aliens just wanting to rekindle their love and being misunderstood as life threatening monsters? How many more of these stories will envolve this kind of stuff? The only time I actually jolted was when we saw clara 2.0. now then I thought we would have a great teaser (hmmm.... 2 jlc in the same scene just seems like a teaser all on its own!)... but it just ended up being the TARDIS "talking" with someone she doesn't like too much. only other time we saw that was when Rose was sent back or when a CD was put in the player. it was not an automous response and definitely not a sentient one. it troubles me that the TARDIS is becoming so sentient. sounds too much like the compassion storylines in the books that i really didn't care for. since when does the TARDIS open its own doors for anyone? even the doc freaked out when he lost the key from time to time. the way clara goes on, it seems that she just expects the TARDIS to open up whenever she's around. *sigh*
nice wink at doc 3 in this one though with metebelis (someone teach 11 how to pronounce it properly please) although i have no idea what Crystal he had since at the end doc 3 did give it back so the great one's head would explode :)
nice idea to mention the eye of harmony as well which may lead into next week's episode. the only way that one will work for me though is if the now-sentient TARDIS has a fit and decides to become very antagonistic towards clara. THAT would be a nice twist.
all in all, not a great episode for me though. honestly, up until now not a great run for this last set at all. can only hope that things get better. Here's hoping!

and you sir can go disappear up your own ass for starting shit

Do you have a single pleasant word to say to anybody?
Because if you do I've never seen you post one.

excuse me i do believe it was that asshole who started the shit here just now why not ask him to take his antagonism elsewhere ---or is it okay to antagonize just as long as you are on a certain side of belief?

He can shut it...he said "Just my opinion, just as yours are yours. Please don't think I'm angry or anything, just stating my thoughts. I love this place and interacting with you guys, and hope to for a long time. Just please let me know if I ever start to sound like a TTROLL... :P"

So i tolf him was....so is that okay to antagonize for no reason? I'm unclear on that...

Do you have a single pleasant word to say to anybody?
Because if you do I've never seen you post one.

then you haven't been looking...... but let me see here who said something that was disparaging toward me before i said somkthing toward him.... oh yeah looseskin

again was i saying anything in this conversation before he started something?


so why don't you ask him to stop with his actions or it it a one way thing where i can be insulted and not say anything?

i'm unclear why there seems to be a new rule that you can insult certain posters and not repond to the insults because you will be blamed for the insult in the first place....... unclear here....

and you sir can go disappear up your own ass for starting shit

You know TTROY, looking at your join date, it's the same as mine and perhaps you joined (as I did) when our little green imp disappeared. I am forever grateful for this forum that allows us to discuss, question, give opinions and get our DW fix through the LC line. But I honestly think that it's impossibly rude (and frankly lacking in basic social skills) to use these kinds of comments here. It is offensive to everyone and sets a very negative tone.

I'm all for free speach but please don't disrespect others... unless of course you're a 14-year-old kid who gets his kicks off typing trash because your parents would spank and ground you if they ever heard you actually speak in that fashion. If this were the case, I suggest you learn your manners and think before you type because you're only manifesting your own immaturity...

i'm unclear why there seems to be a new rule that you can insult certain posters and not repond to the insults because you will be blamed for the insult in the first place....... unclear here....

Bearing in mind the huge amount of abuse you dealt out to Foe you seem awfully thin skinned. Don't you think this is a teeny over-reaction to what, at most, was the gentlest of digs?

or the fact that my posts were in response for him insulting me? is that okay? is he a 14 year old kid that gets his kicvks by making a post and ending it with a personal insult to me... when i hadn't been a part of the conversation at all?

why dont you ask the poster i responded to to mind his manners and not be insulting to another poster --well? respond to that? or am i to say nothing and sit back and take the abuse from him? well? it is okay to insult me but then i am called out for responding?

no because i was asked to drop it and so was everyone else... i did... i guess he didn't get the memo...

[again there must be a rule where i am an okay target to dig at...but can't respond]

why dont you ask the poster i responded to to mind his manners and not be insulting to another poster --well?

Is this irony?

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no because i was asked to drop it and so was everyone else... i did... i guess he didn't get the memo...

[again there must be a rule where i am an okay target to dig at...but can't respond]

Diddums. Was someone mean to you on the internet?

no you scolded to person that was being insulted here this time... long after the fire went out from the other events..... unless those are fair game again...[which unless you want to have it brought up again you dont really get the right to use then against me...]

I capitulated to the demands of the group NOT to bring it up yet i can't repond to being insulted because of it]]] which is it... leave the past the past or stick a red hot poker in my eye and tell me not to blink ?

so... how about that weather, eh?

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so... how about that weather, eh?

It's looking a bit stormy :)

Thank you.... i don't appreciate being told to keep quiet and then being insulted and not being able to respond to the insult.

and then the person getting insulted get the rebuke...notice how no one of you has rebuked him for insulting me? Very Telling. You want to have it both ways..

......

Diddums. Was someone mean to you on the internet?

yeash i could have said the same thing to FOe but please stop being condescending..i do that better than you.

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It's looking a bit stormy :)

Probably something like how capt jack felt when travelling through the vortex outside the TARDIS :)

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it is just very telling that he makes the insult and the subject of the insult gets the flack for responding. Pretty much it would have dropped but little loosskin got protected. bercause he is such to 14 year old boy that makes the smarmy comments the were supposed to be witty... trying to score poijnts were the any TTROY brigade on here by calling me a TTROLL long afterr the subject of the mythical Loost Episodes were dropped?

keep it up loosy you make yourself look so much better by saying what a great place this is... how we all get along and then two words later pour gasoline all over the bonfire coals

TTroy, you're obviously trying to goad people into responding but it doesn't look like anyone is going to. Why not let it go now?

yeah that worked so well last time... why not tell loosekins to let it go and not insult someone for after they dropped it long ago? well? no you still see it as come-upance. for something that was supposed to be dropped---you cant have it both ways... will i drop it now only to have it used against me again? well? i guess goading me is okay correct?

becaused it worked so well last time... and the person that did it didn't get a scolding from you did they?

the person that did it didn't get a scolding from you did they?

It was quite gentle teasing if anything but I can see you've taken it to heart. Why does it bother you so much?

How about ...

EVERYONE consider themselves scolded?

EVERYONE drop-it and move on?

Shall we say the following to the arguments and name calling? "So Long, And Thanks For All The Phish Fingers And Custard?

i complied when asked to dropped the other topic..
it seems others haven't and hold it against me. in fact so much they insult me.
I respond to the insult and pretty much am told that i deserved it for the other topic.... i guess it wasn't dropped.... [i guess if i am still being taken to task for the other topic and deserve to be mocked then the other topic isn't closed] Is it?

Fait Acomplit..that is why.

Well it's all dropped now.

I refer everyone to the wise words of Officer Roger Murtaugh.

Well it's all dropped now.

I refer everyone to the wise words of Officer Roger Murtaugh.

Speak for yourself! I'm never too old :)

Talking of time-travel, I see the Canadian series "Contwiddliyum" started again today.

Which is nice.

Talking of time-travel, I see the Canadian series "Contwiddliyum" started again today.

Which is nice.

And now i will only be able to think of it by that name :)

Talking of time-travel, I see the Canadian series "Contwiddliyum" started again today.

Which is nice.


Is the Series any good?

Is the Series any good?

Yeah, the first one wasn't too bad. It's sort-of a "Life On Mars" but in reverse. She's come from the future and now stuck in our (near-)time trying to find out what happened to get her back here and stop those people that made it happen in the first place.

Or something like that!

I may have to give the last episode of S1 another watch before S2E1 to remind myself! :)

I may have to give it a spin one of these days then.

10 and the stiff companion




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With all the HHG files popping up, I was wondering if anyone has the version that was released on record and cassette that followed the TV version plot closely. Has it ever even be released on CD or digital?

With all the HHG files popping up, I was wondering if anyone has the version that was released on record and cassette that followed the TV version plot closely. Has it ever even be released on CD or digital?

there's p2p copies floating around the toruntsphere.

EDIT TO ADD - Wasn't it was the other way round; the TV followed those audio releases? You know, I honestly can't remember.

Is the Series any good?

Actually not too bad considering it's a canadian production which by definition means very little budget. The lead is Rachel Nichols who I found was pretty good in Alias back in the day. It's a little predictable at times but good entertainment.

But I can't believe no-one was around to tell MS how to say "Metebelis" properly!!

That was very jarring, but I remember watching The Daemons and wondering why Jon Pertwee alternated between calling then 'Day-mons' and 'Dee-mons' in the same story... so there is precedence for the Doctor getting his pronunciation wrong!

there's p2p copies floating around the toruntsphere.

EDIT TO ADD - Wasn't it was the other way round; the TV followed those audio releases? You know, I honestly can't remember.

The radio series was first (started in 1978), and was followed by the TV series, which started in 1981.

Nite all.
I will not be posting ANYTHING ANYWHERE, nor visiting any websites (that are not work related as I couldn't get the day off) tomorrow in solidarity against CISPA.

If companies notice the lack of traffic and purchases from their sites, they may be more willing to pressure the Senate to vote down CISPA.

If we want to stop CISPA, we need to work together. It isn't about "copyright infringement," it's about our right to privacy. To visit the sites WE want to visit without some govt stooge looking over our shoulders.

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The radio series was first (started in 1978), and was followed by the TV series, which started in 1981.

But were the LP/Tapes released before or after the TV version? These were distinct re-recordings and not just copies of the radio transmission. I've a feeling that the HH set was before the TV and the Restraunt set were after.

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But were the LP/Tapes released before or after the TV version? These were distinct re-recordings and not just copies of the radio transmission. I've a feeling that the HH set was before the TV and the Restraunt set were after.

They were released on LP in 1979 and 1980.

there's p2p copies floating around the toruntsphere.

EDIT TO ADD - Wasn't it was the other way round; the TV followed those audio releases? You know, I honestly can't remember.

Radio series came first, the the TV series the THAT fim. The records are rerecordings of all six episodes of series one

Looks like I missed the fun and games last night.

Sorry to dredge this up again, but TTROY is right up to a point. You can't have a dig at him and then tell him to shut up for responding to it.

TTROY, you've gotta try and keep your responses proportional - it was hardly much of an insult and your response was a bit of an overreaction. Reading one of your other posts, we didn't tell you you had to shut up altogether - you're entitled to voice your opinions, you were just asked to be civil towards Foe (and other members.)

(Here's hoping the excrement doesn't hit the rapidly rotating blades again :))

(Here's hoping the excrement doesn't hit the rapidly rotating blades again :))

More of a case of "Light the blue touch paper and retire" to quote the medic

I was around last night but couldn't be bothered to get involved, I was going to upload the next batch of magazines but thought it may get lost in the argument, I'll up them later today.
You do have a point andyb2011 about responding to personal digs but I also think a certain member delights in causing these arguments.

yeah that worked so well last time... why not tell loosekins to let it go and not insult someone for after they dropped it long ago? well? no you still see it as come-upance. for something that was supposed to be dropped---you cant have it both ways... will i drop it now only to have it used against me again? well? i guess goading me is okay correct?

becaused it worked so well last time... and the person that did it didn't get a scolding from you did they?

⸮Has your shift key fallen off?⸮

Talking of time-travel, I see the Canadian series "Contwiddliyum" started again today.

Which is nice.

Well spotted.

You do have a point andyb2011 about responding to personal digs but I also think a certain member delights in causing these arguments.

Maybe, but if we don't give him an excuse. Given past events, the response was pretty predicatable.

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hmm thats a nice cover art for BBV audio, is there a collection of cover arts for all the BBV's audios?

it seems that an attempt at humour, that was wisely ignored by the rest of us, has brought strife back to our happy little forum
my two-penneth: (probably best to ignore really)
The comment was uncalled for and should be regretted. Looshkin, you should think carefully on your actions. What i think you saw as humour, was closer to poking with a stick.
that TTROY felt attacked is perhaps understandable and I can understand s/he wished to respond.
but TTROY, you need to chill out.
try to learn to deflect aggression, not respond to it in kind.
an expression of sadness or regret that someone would make such a comment, or even a self-deprecating joke would have raised your "thread-cred" a great deal. Aggressive indignation is not going to help.
Disagree with people here by all means, healthy debate is wonderful - but a slanging match is not fun for anyone.
the comments directed at you (with the exception of the one that sparked this last little event), are critical of the tone, not the content of your comments.

I try never to post anything I wouldn't say in front of my grandmother, a way to keep me from acting unwisely.

TTROY please do not feel that you are unwelcome here; aggression however is.
can I suggest we all try to learn what we can from this and move on....

in other news...
I know I have been heavily critical of Muff and his oversight of the show, and I believe my critique has some merit.
but please understand that it is because I care so much that I complain.
I'm not making posts on other sites about shows I don't give a pair of foetid-dingoes kidneys about

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Thank you for that Red.
I remember hearing just one ep. I'd forgotten all about it

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Completely new to me, so looking forward to this. Ta!

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... and redskutter comes up trumps again!

hmm thats a nice cover art for BBV audio, is there a collection of cover arts for all the BBV's audios?

I always liked the simplicity of the original covers.

Some 'interesting' ones with Ms Aldread ...



And talking of "Contwiddliyum" - I obviously wasn't really expecting a second season as I didn't bother keeping the S1 rips. :)

Forgot to post this S*p*a*c*e H*a*c*k*s

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Never even heard of this. Googled it and sounds interesting - thanks Red. :)

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AMAZING, MORE PLEASE IF ITS POSSIBLE!!!! YOUR A STAR!!!

I have to correct you here..... 2 of you private messaged me and told me to shut up completely...about everything.
i had dropped the whole previous issue and 2 of you names unmentioned wanted to silence me completely because i had an opinion that was different from theirs.

When the issue was asked to be dropped i dropped it.. but you can't have it both ways.

I was around last night but couldn't be bothered to get involved, I was going to upload the next batch of magazines but thought it may get lost in the argument, I'll up them later today.
You do have a point andyb2011 about responding to personal digs but I also think a certain member delights in causing these arguments.

and i assume you mean me... so tell me how this argument was caused..... because someone though they would have a dig at me?
sorry but saying that the response is a cause in like saying the cause of the fire was because they were pouring so much water on it after it started burning.

and with that i close the book on this... good morning

I have to correct you here..... 2 of you private messaged me and told me to shut up completely...about everything.
i had dropped the whole previous issue and 2 of you names unmentioned wanted to silence me completely because i had an opinion that was different from theirs.

When the issue was asked to be dropped i dropped it.. but you can't have it both ways.

Sorry, I had no idea about that. As far as I am concerned, you have the right to voice your opinion here as much as anyone else. The problems start when you start insulting other posters.

Yeah, don't like all the aggro. Please just don't wind one another up. I love this forum and you guys are great. So it's now a good-night from me (I'm in Oz and it's nearly 10pm).

Random request: I'm looking for the LC 5th medic story #136, "Spider meshs".

If a good soul has it, I would be extremely grateful. Like really, really grateful. Heck, I even would lend you a hand with your piano if you have to move house. That's how grateful I would be.

Random request: I'm looking for the LC 5th medic story #136, "Spider meshs".

If a good soul has it, I would be extremely grateful. Like really, really grateful. Heck, I even would lend you a hand with your piano if you have to move house. That's how grateful I would be.

I'm at work atm, but if nobody beats me to the punch I'll upload it when I get home.

Was only joking about Clara/River.

Jenny didn't actually regenerate and she was only part-timelord. Could she actually regenerate?

I'll have to go back and review the episode to be sure, but I thought that Jenny was a clone of the Doctor and therefore fully Gallifreyan. Whether she is a Timelord or not is up to interpretation, but I'm under the impression one has to be trained/schooled to be a Timelord. Do all Gallifreyans regenerate or only Timelords?

Random request: I'm looking for the LC 5th medic story #136, "Spider meshs".

If a good soul has it, I would be extremely grateful. Like really, really grateful. Heck, I even would lend you a hand with your piano if you have to move house. That's how grateful I would be.
Literally just finished listening to this and thought I'd check in here..
so

I have no piano, but I do have a large wardrobe....
my first time using this upload site, let me know if there any problems

I'm at work atm, but if nobody beats me to the punch I'll upload it when I get home.
punch beaten ;)

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the impression that Jenny couldn't actually regenerate?
she "died", did the sparkly breath thing, and then was alive as her old self....the evidence suggests no, she can't regen
Even as a "clone" of the medic her genes were shuffled.
as to whether there is a difference between a native of the homeworld and a chrono-baron, or even what constitutes a full tempero-earl....with the complication of the red-headed archaeologist i think the best anyone can say is that it is unclear

she "died", did the sparkly breath thing, and then was alive as her old self....the evidence suggests no, she can't regen
Even as a "clone" of the medic her genes were shuffled.
as to whether there is a difference between a native of the homeworld and a chrono-baron, or even what constitutes a full tempero-earl....with the complication of the red-headed archaeologist i think the best anyone can say is that it is unclear

I've got to admit it's been a while since I saw the ep, but I thought Jenny only had a single heart (of course I may be confusing her with the other doc from Journey's End). Don't think she was a straight clone of the doc either, I thought his DNA was mixed with other inside the genetic bank to create her.

Her coming back to life seemed to be more to do with the Terraforming gases than her own abilities.

The red-headed archeologist is not a time-lady. She was conceived in the Tardis and timey-wimey, wibbley-wobbley things changed her iirc (again, it's been a while since I saw the ep that explained all this).

I thought Jenny only had a single heart

ok I'd have to check, but I'm fairly sure it's two.
Super-temp made the medic check and asked "who does she belong with?"

She did have a single heart as far as I remember, but so did the first medic. I always chalked the extra heart as the bodies was of coping with the regeneration and what not. (Instead of just the retcon that did happen.) n.n

On another note what do you guys (and gals) think of this:https://soundcloud.com/the-ninth-to-remember/doctor-who-the-ninth-to?

She has two hearts. She healed but didn't do a full regen.

On another note what do you guys (and gals) think of this:https://soundcloud.com/the-ninth-to-remember/doctor-who-the-ninth-to?

Surprisingly good impression at times, but the actor needs to relax and 'not try so hard'.

She did have a single heart as far as I remember, but so did the first medic. I always chalked the extra heart as the bodies was of coping with the regeneration and what not. (Instead of just the retcon that did happen.) n.n

On another note what do you guys (and gals) think of this:https://soundcloud.com/the-ninth-to-remember/doctor-who-the-ninth-to?

Pretty good might have to keep an eye on that.

Out of curiosity, anyone know wny the Beeb hasn't given clearance to LC to do the new medic audios? I would think DT might be up for it.

Out of curiosity, anyone know wny the Beeb hasn't given clearance to LC to do the new medic audios? I would think DT might be up for it.

Hasn't Mr B said that BF aren't really that interested in doing NuWho at the moment anyway?

EDIT TO ADD - But that's not a 'snark', more that they still prefer playing in the classic sandbox rather than the 'Nu', if you see what I mean.

But I'm sure they'll get to do them someday. 9th will probably take nearly as long as 4th to get on-board, 10th would do it but I feel he'll still want to wait a few years. 11th? Yeah, I could see him wanting to come back later in his career.

The Fi*rst Ki*ng of Ma*rs and The Fur*ther Adven*tures of the Fi*rst Ki*ng of Ma*rs if anyone fancies them.

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Out of curiosity, anyone know wny the Beeb hasn't given clearance to LC to do the new medic audios? I would think DT might be up for it.
I suspect its because AudioGO (formerly BBC Audio) owns the rights to do audio stories with Medics 9-11, as well as Queen Victoria's organization of burning trees. However, it hasn't stopped them from collaborating with LC on the "Fate of the Medic" range. Speaking of which, I was initially pretty skeptical of said range, but after listening to the one with the Cosmic Hobo and hearing his reaction to the 11th Medic's bow tie, I knew I had to keep listening. If anything to see how the other Medics react to 11. XD

Out of curiosity, anyone know wny the Beeb hasn't given clearance to LC to do the new medic audios? I would think DT might be up for it.

I thought it was to keep the new story focus on the current Medic.

I thought it was to keep the new story focus on the current Medic.

There's that, too. The ongoing AudioGo stuff, apart from Destiny, has always been for the incumbent.

Give it a few years and things will change, I'm sure.

The Destiny series isn't too bad, but beyond the little tiddbits slipped in from the future they've pretty much felt like regular CCs. Which I why I think we'll see the CC range continue with AudioGo when BF retire them.

Hi gents, as I was burning my stuff from my usb harddrive - just to be safe - I noticed some gaps I thought I had filled already.

Does anyone have links to:
- Space Gatherer: E*c*h*o*e*s*
- Space Gatherer: *C*h*i*l*d*o*f*T*i*m*e
- Space Gatherer: A*l*b*i*n*o*'s D*a*n*c*e*r
- BBC Chatting Compendiums: Terror of the Alien-race-that-rhymes-with"Trigon"
- The *P*e*s*c*a*t*o*n*s
- *a*t*t*h*e*b*b*c:t*h*e*p*l*a*y*s
and the first CD (strangely enough I got 2 and 3) of The Medic and the Time -person-that-participates-in-war

I apologize for the quality of these synonyms etc in advance

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i think we can wait awhile for any new 9,10 and 11 audios..... 4,5,6,7 and 8 not meant to be morbid biut they won't be around forever and would like to have them do as many as they can before it is too late... the same with the classic companion...[the mazing Ian is still ricking about]

One thing this past couple of year has shown us is that whole eras can pass away Liz,Sarah,Brig,Romana.. add to the already passed master,1,2,3,,Harry,Barbra,Ben and it is amazing that many of the classic who characters are still around.

I really hope they use them in some way for the 50th.

Jenny is interesting. Full genetic duplicate of a Gallifreyan. Two hearts and what seems to be a good dose of Artron energy.

did she regenerate? I think she actually did (there've been documented cases of disputed canonicity wherein TLs regenerated without changing at all).

should she have regenerated? My line says absolutely not. Regeneration is a TL trait conferred by the Rassilon imprimatur; it isn't one of the biological advantages bestowed by the Gallifreyans' many many years of tinkering with their own genetics. It's carried in a genetic aspect other than DNA, so would have been discarded by the cloning machine as irrelevant information.

is she a TL? Certainly not. One is not born a TL, it is a rank rather than a species. Some unfortunate wording has muddied the ideas a bit on tv, but I think that's more because the Doctor doesn't want to call himself Gallifreyan ever since that planet was destroyed. Bad memories and such.


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in other news, does anyone else listen to THIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSZonj6WZYg) song and imagine the Library?

One thing this past couple of year has shown us is that whole eras can pass away Liz,Sarah,Brig,Romana.. add to the already passed master,1,2,3,,Harry,Barbra,Ben and it is amazing that many of the classic who characters are still around.

I really hope they use them in some way for the 50th.

Unfortunately, unmorbidly as you say, this is true.

And, yes, for the love of the blessed cheesemaker would the BBC PLEASE announce some proper CLASSIC link to the 50th.

I'm sure that 10+11 will make a brilliant story together, but, man, it feels like a kick in the teeth to the classic series if it's not represented in some way.

there've been documented cases of disputed canonicity wherein TLs regenerated without changing at all

such as? (genuine interest, not narky)

such as? (genuine interest, not narky)

Brax, for a start? (Not sure if that's disputed, as such, but he regenerates into himself.)

i think we can wait awhile for any new 9,10 and 11 audios..... 4,5,6,7 and 8 not meant to be morbid biut they won't be around forever and would like to have them do as many as they can before it is too late... the same with the classic companion...[the mazing Ian is still ricking about]

One thing this past couple of year has shown us is that whole eras can pass away Liz,Sarah,Brig,Romana.. add to the already passed master,1,2,3,,Harry,Barbra,Ben and it is amazing that many of the classic who characters are still around.

I really hope they use them in some way for the 50th.

Yeah, it's been a rough couple of years.
I can see why they may not want to make a really big thing of it though, it could leave a lot of the younger fans wondering what the heck was going on.
maybe something almost background, that will get us uber-nerds pointing at the screen and cheering or raising a wry smile, but that those still with single digit ages won't even notice.

Yeah, it's been a rough couple of years.
I can see why they may not want to make a really big thing of it though, it could leave a lot of the younger fans wondering what the heck was going on.
maybe something almost background, that will get us uber-nerds pointing at the screen and cheering or raising a wry smile, but that those still with single digit ages won't even notice.

Sorry but I disagree, it is a celebration of 50 years. I doubt anyone with an ounce of gumption would write a celebration story of this magnatude with the premise of not confusing the 9 and under age bracket :)

If all we are getting is 10 and 11 SM should hang his head in shame.

such as? (genuine interest, not narky)

I say disputed just coz the only thing that's taken more-or-less universally to be canon is the Classic tv series. except for those who consider only the nuWho tv series to be canon. bleh

anyway, offhand I can only think of one definitely - that's Galah, from Strange England.
there was also the idea that the more adept TLs can tailor their regenerations, e.g. Romana. This could very conceivably result in a new face same as the old face.

... except for those who consider only the nuWho tv series to be canon. bleh

I wasn't aware such a group existed, the very idea induces rage within me :)

I wasn't aware such a group existed.

Trust me they're there. I have a friend who thinks he knows everything about Dr Who. Unfortunately he had no idea who The Master and Davros were when they were being re-introduced.

Stop kicking yourself. I remember sometime in the late 90's on a Sunday afternoon watching an episode of STNG on B*B*C 2 then switching over to Channel 4 to watch Stargate then followed by Andromeda. Believe it or not it was the same story in all three series in less than 3 hours.

i watch A LOT of crime dramas (Law & Order, CSI, Criminal Minds, etc..) and that tends to happen quite a bit in that particular genre of television.

Trust me they're there. I have a friend who thinks he knows everything about Dr Who. Unfortunately he had no idea who The Master and Davros were when they were being re-introduced.

Maybe you should introduce your friend to this site and we can educate him thoroughly on the subject of classic who :)

Maybe you should introduce your friend to this site and we can educate him thoroughly on the subject of classic who :)

I would but he's the type of asshole who would grass us up for sharing all these audios :(

I just wanted to say thanks for the latest audios! I haven't had a chance to listen to them as yet, but at least I have them for the future.

Personally I believe that Sherlock should get cancelled with immediate effect.

But this is mainly as I have an utterly irrational dislike of the series, even taking into account that Freeman (IMHO) has all the acting ability of a plank.

I honestly don't know WHY I dislike it so much, but watching it is like hearing nails down a blackboard.

I would but he's the type of asshole who would grass us up for sharing all these audios :(

Mmm maybe not such a good idea then.

I can't imagine not wanting to know more about the Doctors past or worse still dismissing it altogether. When the series returned in 05 my daughter was 7, I explained that I used to watch it when I was a kid and told her about my collection of VHS which was kept in the loft and to cut a long story short it ended with me having to buy a new video player and then start to replace my collection on dvd just so she could watch them.

Mmm maybe not such a good idea then.

I can't imagine not wanting to know more about the Doctors past or worse still dismissing it altogether, when the series returned in 05 my daughter was 7, I explained that I used to watch it when I was a kid and told her about my collection of VHS which was kept in the loft and to cut a long story short it ended with me having to buy a new video player and then start to replace my collection on dvd just so she could watch them.

I think a lot of the younger ones are put off because the earliest Doc were in B&W, there were no fantastic special effects (compared to what is possible now, of course), and not to mention the wobbly sets.

I suspect its because AudioGO (formerly BBC Audio) owns the rights to do audio stories with Medics 9-11, as well as Queen Victoria's organization of burning trees. However, it hasn't stopped them from collaborating with LC on the "Fate of the Medic" range. Speaking of which, I was initially pretty skeptical of said range, but after listening to the one with the Cosmic Hobo and hearing his reaction to the 11th Medic's bow tie, I knew I had to keep listening. If anything to see how the other Medics react to 11. XD

These are just narrated audiobooks though, right? Not dramas?

Unfortunately, unmorbidly as you say, this is true.

And, yes, for the love of the blessed cheesemaker would the BBC PLEASE announce some proper CLASSIC link to the 50th.

I'm sure that 10+11 will make a brilliant story together, but, man, it feels like a kick in the teeth to the classic series if it's not represented in some way.

Yeah, new fans ignore the old series pretty much completely. Just looking at the reddit Docteur Qui page you see posts like "50th anniversary painting!" and it has 3 medics on it.

I think a lot of the younger ones are put off because the earliest Doc were in B&W, there were no fantastic special effects (compared to what is possible now, of course), and not to mention the wobbly sets.

Yes you have hit the nail on the head with the black and white stories, she showed less interest in them than the colour episodes, but she didnt seem to mind the lack of sfx, I think a younger mind makes up for the lack of effects with a good imagination.

Yeah, new fans ignore the old series pretty much completely.

... I'm a new fan ... please don't let us all be tarred with the same brush, the Classic series ended before I'd attained sentience IT'S NOT MY FAAUUUUUULT :'(

Yes you have hit the nail on the head with the black and white stories, she showed less interest in them than the colour episodes, but she didnt seem to mind the lack of sfx, I think a younger mind makes up for the lack of effects with a good imagination.

tbh, some of the effects in the early stories were probably more impressive than the current effects, per se. Nowadays it's mostly CGI, but in the old days it was all custom made models and I find myself thinking 'Christ, some poor sod had to sit and make that', especially when it was made for a shot maybe 4 seconds long.

I agree with Sasha, I became entranced in show through a friend showing me episodes of nine, I watched some ten, got bored went and watched the classics (finishing up right around the time "the specials" came out and watched all of ten in one go). Now I watch eleven, listen to the audios, and read a few comics. Now as a 'nuwhovian' my favorite doctors are the classics. The new one's are alright but...eh...in order of liking: 9, 11, 10.

Huh?

These are just narrated audiobooks though, right? Not dramas?

The Destiny series? They're CC's by another name.

Trust me they're there. I have a friend who thinks he knows everything about Dr Who. Unfortunately he had no idea who The Master and Davros were when they were being re-introduced.

Ask some folks and they'll still swear blind that PMcG isn't official, despite being seen in the new series two or three times.

Ask some folks and they'll still swear blind that PMcG isn't official, despite being seen in the new series two or three times.

and the fact that 11 called his own face the eleventh.
and the fact that ALL THE OFFICIAL MERCHANDISE calls him official. gah, some people keke

Here's a conversational hand-grenade ...

Would "NuWho" have been better if it HAD been a reboot?

Complete restart. CE is The First Doctor. The series keeps the Regenerating Time Traveller In A Police Box AND THAT'S IT.

Sometimes I do think, yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea. The writers don't have to worry about 50 years of history and fan histrionics, old foes could be redone from scratch, new rules to make and later be broken, and no one can complain about how you pronounce the name of a planet.

And we wouldn't have to worry about regenerations running out soon! :)

Now obviously I'm happier that it is a continuation, but what are others thoughts on the idea?

I think that if the show gets cancelled again, it's an inevitability. Wheather or not it would be better if Nuwho had been a reboot, no I don't think so. CE wouldn't have worked except for a war vet I think, then DT wouldn't of had his PTSD, and MS would...well I don't think he would of changed much.

Ask some folks and they'll still swear blind that PMcG isn't official, despite being seen in the new series two or three times.
I think as fans we all tend to filter out the bits we don't like, for instance I still ignor the bit in the 96 tv move when the Doc announces he's half human. Hogwash and piffle I say. I know some media has since tried to explain this away as a lie on the Doc's part, but it should never have been written into the script and after that I would not have been suprised if later on he told us that Spock was his half brother. Mc*gann is a very good medic but the Segal movie was rubbish in almost every respect and I make my statment about the 8th solely from his performance in the audios, but this does not make him any less the Doc than say Tom B or Matt S.

I think as fans we all tend to filter out the bits we don't like, for instance I still ignor the bit in the 96 tv move when the Doc announces he's half human. ...

:) I take that bit as a joke on his part. Thankfully the way he says it helps this point of view!

... I'm a new fan ... please don't let us all be tarred with the same brush, the Classic series ended before I'd attained sentience IT'S NOT MY FAAUUUUUULT :'(

me too..i entered the realm of Who in 2010, and i am working my way to watch classic series

i knew of Who because a small reference in TBBT season 1, when Sheldon always watch this show every wednesday morning or whatever day it is

Who related requests

1. Who On Earth Is Tom Baker audiobook by the author OR a pdf of the book.
2. Yeti or Cybermen related BBC Soundtracks.

Any help as usual very much appreciated folks.

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Sorry but I disagree, it is a celebration of 50 years. I doubt anyone with an ounce of gumption would write a celebration story of this magnatude with the premise of not confusing the 9 and under age bracket :)

If all we are getting is 10 and 11 SM should hang his head in shame.

DAMN STRAIT!!!

Now obviously I'm happier that it is a continuation, but what are others thoughts on the idea?

To quote an Ood, the song goes on forever. It's absolutely right that NuWho is a continuation, even if you didn't watch the classic series you know that the Doctor is old, with a lot of history under his belt. There's a significance and a weight gifted to the new show by its history. As for fan histrionics - I think we all know that fans will have histrionics regardless. Plus if you think that the alternative pronunciation of Metebelis caused problems imagine how much of a problem it would be to say that CE is the Billy H character. And we all secretly know that the regeneration limit (a complete mis-step from the normally reliable Holmes and not, itself, in keeping with previous continuity) can be dismissed with a single line.

Huh?

u said that Sherlock should be cancelled, that pic was my response...i've been a Sherlockian since i was 5 years old and Ben Cumberbatch is my 3rd fave. so, I bite my thumb at you.

Ben Cumberbatch is my 3rd fave

Jeremy Brett first? But who second? I'd guess Basil Rathbone but I've recently gained a massive appreciation for Johnny Lee Miller's interpretation.

u said that Sherlock should be cancelled, that pic was my response...i've been a Sherlockian since i was 5 years old and Ben Cumberbatch is my 3rd fave. so, I bite my thumb at you.

That graphic really didn't show that, then! :)

BTW: I did say *irrational*, so it's not a view one should take too seriously.

My faves would have to be ... Merrison and then Brett. I've not really paid attention sufficiently to others to have a decent opinion.

I do like "Elementary". But, to be honest, it does feel more to me like "Monk 2013".

Jeremy Brett first? But who second? I'd guess Basil Rathbone but I've recently gained a massive appreciation for Johnny Lee Miller's interpretation.

Shame they put Rathbone with such a bumbling interpretation of Watson, though. Really puts me off those films.

Trust me they're there. I have a friend who thinks he knows everything about Dr Who. Unfortunately he had no idea who The Master and Davros were when they were being re-introduced.

To be brutally honest, sometimes i have to wonder if some writers are part of this group with some of these really strange plot lines that totally disfigure the original mythos. i obviously don't consider NuWho NOT cannon but if i had to choose between the two, i'd definitely go with the classic who as a baseline.

on the topic of jenny, i don't personnally think she regenerated. the "resurrection effect" was a lot closer to the terraforming sphere effect than the actual (rubbish) regeneration effect. although jenny is definitely a loose end, i don't particularly want to see her come back in any way. as for how river and clara are related well i'd rather not think about it. i just hope they don't do away with the entire plot line claiming it's all timey-wimey stuff... you know like void stuff or any other kind of stuff. *GASP* what if clara is the child of rose and the 10th (rubbish) meta crisis guy born in another universe and now rose breaks down the universe to get her baby back! then river comes in and says: "My mom and dad did that too and i almost killed them all, not a good idea violet, go back to where you came from and take your fake honey with you too!"

also, if there is nothing from the classics in the 50th, i'll forever quit on who after 30+ years. it would simply be disastrous not to give credit to the actors, creators and writers who made who great for decades.

... I'm a new fan ... please don't let us all be tarred with the same brush, the Classic series ended before I'd attained sentience IT'S NOT MY FAAUUUUUULT :'(

Dang where did time go? Does this mean we're old now?
But honestly sashabot, if you haven't had a chance to get to know the "old" doc, by all means do. i would say that hartnell and troughton are incredible. didn't care too much for the kung-fu wanna be who kept reversing the polarity of the neutron flow myself :)

... the regeneration limit (a complete mis-step from the normally reliable Holmes and not, itself, in keeping with previous continuity) ...

In fairness, it did sound a lot of regenerations at the time! :)

Sorry but I disagree, it is a celebration of 50 years. I doubt anyone with an ounce of gumption would write a celebration story of this magnatude with the premise of not confusing the 9 and under age bracket :)

If all we are getting is 10 and 11 SM should hang his head in shame.

i don't want a 10 and 11 pairing for the 50th...... --- i want a representational love letter....4 walking a canine in the background.....5 playing cricket.... 6 shopping in a clothing shop for a black turtleneck... 7 playing spoons... 8 kissing americans...9 just something that says thank you to them and the fans... give William russell his due as first lead of the show...; and Purves as the Lead masle lead...[remember 1 was less the lead rather than those two...and the extras for this piece should read as a cast list for the whole series.. but this just can't be The Two Doctors 2.0

In fairness, it did sound a lot of regenerations at the time! :)

But not as significant as living forever, barring accidents. Holmes was around at the time of The War Games so why not hold to some of its continuity?

But not as significant as living forever, barring accidents. Holmes was around at the time of The War Games so why not hold to some of its continuity?

Yeah, I see what you mean. But you could interpret the 'barring accidents' bit as an unspoken at the time hint of the regeneration limit?

i want a representational love letter....

Oddly enough, the best 'Love Letter"s we've had to the series in recent history have been the BF CCs:Time Museum and Last Post

now i hate to open this up..... but this is the only reason i can see of holding episodes back if they found them, that they will do a Forrest Gump/DS9 of some of the older Doctor and even record nwer material with some of the other Doctors with them in "Gollum" type CGIwear they will act the roles but the Digital magic will make them look younger and thinner WETA workshop making a new 8th doctor outfit and sonic? the repeasted story that Jackson wants to be paid with a Dalek...

i'm just saying it may all add up to a secret multi doctor tale

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now i hate to open this up..... but this is the only reason i can see of holding episodes back if they found them, ...

I see where you're coming from but, really, there is a damn sight more than that.

1 - Have they actually FOUND them?
2 - Who OWNS them: just because the BBC owns the IP to programme doesn't mean they own the actual tapes/film-reels they are on.
3 - Assuming they HAVE found them and they're in negotiation to get them back home, payments and transfer of ownership could be contractually linked to an announcement
4 - Usage: The BBC must surely have to go through a 'due diligence' procedure to ensure that all concerned in the making of an episode are LEGALLY happy for it be to aired, altered (c/f DS9) and resold on DVD et al.

(4) may well be the biggest hurdle of them all. All it could take is one Extra to say "Excuse Me! The legally binding contract I signed at the time doesn't take this into account so I don't give my permission for it to be aired and I don't give it permission to be aired with me removed. Doesn't matter I agreed the soundtrack release, but I don't agree to my image being used anymore."

I know that's a wild example, but it's the sort of thing they must have to check.

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You may have a point there, look at what I found: !!!WARNING, POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR THE 50TH!!!

Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A Week :: TV Episodes :: Doctor Who go all Star Trek to bring back the old Time Lords (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/309945/Doctor-Who-go-all-Star-Trek-to-bring-back-the-old-Time-Lords/)

The Daily Star isn't the most .... er ... uuuuhhhhmmmm .... reliable of papers, though.

I hope it's true, though.

But ...

Yeah...

The Daily Star.


(Please feel free to laugh at me if The Daily Star is true, though. :) )

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i didn't even look but the Star? ....ummm they said Matt was leaving after his second series....and leaving after his first series..... and David was staying for a year under Moffatt... ---sorry their track record is pure twaddle

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Well, like I said, I don't read it. I'm in the US, so I know that USA TODAY or Huffingtonpost isn't always to be trusted, but no idea about UK papers. Is it mainly a prank/joke paper like The Onion? Because that would be so disappointing. :/ (I'll keep on hoping anyways, though. Veracity of that particular article in doubt or not. After all, it HAS been done before. :) )

It's not INTENTIONALLY a joke/prank paper, but they are the sort of paper that considers Digital Spy a reliable source of information. Their main focus is to be generally against which ever party is in power, lots of sports related reporting, and facsimile of the Yahoo "entertainment" section.


It's very much a lowest-common-denominator paper.

I think a lot of the younger ones are put off because the earliest Doc were in B&W, there were no fantastic special effects (compared to what is possible now, of course), and not to mention the wobbly sets.

oh i don't know - my 10yo loves JP and happily sits down with me when i put on one of my classic dvds. AND he can name all the actors, knows which one they played and is even starting to identify which medic i've got playing by the music...

:D

It's possible that the youngest children are the only people too uniformed not to drown from all the cheese.

The problem being is that most adults put excessive warning labels on media so that by the time that any winkle is old enough to watch something, they're also too old to enjoy it.

lol i ignore the ratings on shows - i use my own judgement on whether a show is suitable for a particular child. ;)

hmmm playing around with my account settings - hadn't noticed before that i could avoid people's signatures on here - makes a considerable difference on how long the page takes to load :)

lol i ignore the ratings on shows - i use my own judgement on whether a show is suitable for a particular child. ;)


Hear, Hear!


As for 'Sigs' - When I can I always turn them off. I got so sick of forums like good ol' rapid and bolt where folks' sigs took more space than the content that it's one of the first things I do in fora when I can.

I also never understood the perceived kudos of having overly 'img' based sigs. But I'm old school. Back from the days when a 1200/75 modem was seen as "Showing Off"

Actually not too bad considering it's a canadian production which by definition means very little budget. The lead is Rachel Nichols who I found was pretty good in Alias back in the day. It's a little predictable at times but good entertainment.

Hey! Actually, our shows are improving a lot, lately.

Hey! Actually, our shows are improving a lot, lately.

I totally agree that they are improving. But still low budget. BTW i'm canadian too so it's definitely not a cheap shot at the show being canadian.

while on the topic of low budget or low special fx, i also think that the fact that old who is still quite enjoyable comes from the fact that the stories were so good as a whole. watching the classics, i quite enjoy them, even more so than i did when i was younger. for example, CB's run in with the cybers on telos is a jem as far as the story goes IMHO. you can rant and rave about many things but the tie-ins with the WH and PT eras are really nice. same can be said about SMcC's stories which were not portrayed as best they could have been but they were definitely interesting and added quite a bit to the medic's story and character. LC allows us to see just how far they could have gone had they had better material to work with. pacing was maybe ackward, dialogues somewhat tedious but good stories... i mean am i the only one who noticed the new generation daleks at the end of the CE series is quite close to what davros did while meeting up with 6 by harvesting dead humans? not sure if it was a deliberate tie-in but it's definitely a precedent to what the emperor did when rebuilding the pepperpot race.

Dang where did time go? Does this mean we're old now?
But honestly sashabot, if you haven't had a chance to get to know the "old" doc, by all means do. i would say that hartnell and troughton are incredible. didn't care too much for the kung-fu wanna be who kept reversing the polarity of the neutron flow myself :)ooh, I didn't say I hadn't had a chance to catch up. the Saturday before last I got a chance to catch up in person, with four of them, oyus (and no, I can't adequately convey in text how utterly thrilling it was. Suffice to say I was literally shaking).

true, I haven't watched much of the Classic series yet (so far only all of the behatted one, and all of CB including Arc of ∞), but I've been collecting them and will make a thing of it.

And I'm working my way through the audios, about a tenth of the way through I think.
Plus I've read an awful lot of it. All the novelisations, and all licensed novels, short stories, and comics, and all the DWM short stories and comics, and multiple somethings of the unlicensed unofficial fanwank stuff.

I am officially catching up.



That really depends on what books/audio/TV you count as canon.as I said, My line :) I take my canon from a variety of sources including tv, audio, novels and comics. Actually, if Jenny's resuscitation can be attributed instead to the terraformer, ...there's still Ten's hope that she Would regenerate, which calls it natural... bloody plot devices! *grumble* Sure, it may be throwaway or ignorant or arrogant, but the poignancy of the Jenny's-staying-dead scene hinges on it. Bleh.
If you count only what was seen on TV, it's natural to the species, If you include other media, there are other explanations. Sort of like normal reproduction vs. looms, it's up to what you include as canon. (Although simply being Gallifreyan does not make one a TL, as you've said. Even if it turns out that all Gallifreyans really are time sensitive and have the ablility to regenerate, it's made clear in the classic series that only training makes them TLs.) I really think that there must be a physical aspect to the conferral of TL rank. It can't be that you get a TARDIS, because if so the Medic wouldn't have needed to steal one. So it must be something else. We've never seen non-TL Gallifreyans regenerate and we have seen them die (a bunch, if not all, of the Chancellery Guard are non-TLs), so it may as well be that.

My reckoning of general Gallifreyan traits is
-Their interesting anatomy, including binary vascular system
-Low body temperature, slow heartsbeat and respiration rate
-Low-level telepathy (the Academy offers courses in developing this)
-High endurance and longevity
-possibly a predisposition to Time-sensitivity (nuWho says yes, Classic doesn't comment. But then nuWho says lots of things, some of which contradict Classic.)

My reckoning of TL-specific traits is
-ability to be symbiotically-linked with a TARDIS
-ability to regenerate

concerning River, I reckon the TARDIS has the ability to confer the TL-specific traits. If Blue really felt maternal, I don't see why she shouldn't have done so.

concerning the living-forever-barring-accidents comment, I consider the natural lifespan of a single regeneration capable of topping several thousand years. Multiply that by 13, and you're getting effectively (if not absolutely) close to forever. Indeed, if you've the Medic's temperament, it may well feel like forever.



i mean am i the only one who noticed the new generation daleks at the end of the CE series is quite close to what davros did while meeting up with 6 by harvesting dead humans? not sure if it was a deliberate tie-in but it's definitely a precedent to what the emperor did when rebuilding the pepperpot race.I noticed it, and I reckon that's part of the reason the Daleks revolted against him. They are the Pure Race, and he's going about sullying them. Makes me wonder that this lot in CE's story didn't rebel against that emperor. Maybe they were already mad(der than Daleks normally are, which is quite mad as it is).

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concerning the living-forever-barring-accidents comment, I consider the natural lifespan of a single regeneration capable of topping several thousand years. Multiply that by 13, and you're getting effectively (if not absolutely) close to forever. Indeed, if you've the Medic's temperament, it may well feel like forever.

When the Doc was a little creature in a cage in Last of the TLs, didn't The Master say that was what he would've become without regenerating. They can obviously exist for at least 900 and a few years - but getting clothes that fit must be a bitch.

When the Doc was a little creature in a cage in Last of the TLs, didn't The Master say that was what he would've become without regenerating. They can obviously exist for at least 900 and a few years - but getting clothes that fit must be a bitch.

I understood that to mean what he'd look like if he were a living 900-year-old human. Most other TLs seem to live that long in single regenerations without shrivelling up. Gawd that thing was hideous, though.

*sigh* I really need to read/watch the Classics again, so I can get some common-denominator canon sorted. I only started keeping records around Six, and my memory's just so sievelike that it's all gone!

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Didn't the first medic die of old age? Under 800 if I recall.

...nothing definite can be determined about who can and can't regenerate from the classic series alone.true that.
I really like most of the non-tv DW media, (there's a couple of stinkers in there of course, looking at you, F*a*c*t*i*o*n P*a*r*a*d*o*x!) but I'm on the fence when it comes to including them as suitable source material, (when it comes to speculation about the technical side of things, at least) simply because there are too many conflicting stories that can't be explained or fitted together in any way that makes sense, unless we're dealing with several alternate universes. (If so, wouldn't it be awesome if someone knowledgeable sorted them out and filled in the gaps so everything worked together?!)agree with you so hard on the FP opinion. I've just mentally refactored that whole arc so that they aren't there. most of the events still take place, but either it was someone else or it was rebel Time Lords. yeah.

I'm working on filling in the gaps. I have fairly chunky notes on what fails to fit in with what, and so on. It's an interesting diversion to figure out how little i can take out/change in order to make things mesh. :)



Didn't the first medic die of old age? Under 800 if I recall.he did, but I understood that the reason he got so old, so fast/died so young was the stress of his lifestyle. On the homeworld they generally have negligible stress so their aging is/was a much more sedate, drawn-out process.

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1. he can't actually remember,
2. the Gallifreyans mark time differently,
3. he lies through his teeth.

I'm going to say a combination of the above, as circumstances dictate. :D


1. He's pretty forgetful sometimes (plus when you're a time traveller it's difficult to tell. Especially since his absolute-time-sense seems to come and go).

2. Some sources suggest Gallifrey's day and year are both nigh-identical to Terra's, some say they're completely different.
Plus, although the Gallifreyans have ten phalanges, it's not a given that they use decimal and not that sensible that they'd use a base 60 like our time system; nuWho has them using base SEVEN of all things. I consider it more likely that they use base six, just coz they seem to really like hexagons and such. So the subdivision of their time-periods is likely wayy different.

3. Rule One: The Doctor lies.

Two was 450 in human years in Tomb--Polly and Ben only traveled for a year, so it's within a year of One's regeneration.

I have a brain like a filing cabinet. ;)

Personally, I don't believe Eleven ever lived those further 200-300 years, as I just believe Nine's original statement, which was specified to be 900 years of time and space (big difference--he possibly chose to delete his Gallifrey-bound years due to his guilt, as well--that's a 236-year deletion!) and the Doc has always shaved years off his age (see Romana correcting Four's age when he was shaving years off--and he was hundreds of years older than she was--759 to her 140/125!). I just see Eleven as having a convenient point in which to adjust his age. There's also the question of when he's using the Earth calendar and the Gallifreyan calendar, as he actually specified the Earth calendar only when he spoke to Jamie and Victoria. There's an Eight audio that makes a joke about which calendar his age is calculated by and he might only be 2 in some parts of the galaxy. (For example, being that I'm almost 26, I'd be about 13 on Mars.) This might explain why an 8 year old looks like a human 8 year old, but 90 was just a kid by Time Lord standards (I believe the 8 might be a equivalency conversion).

Jenny had two hearts and it was a huge turning point that made the Doc start to get feelings about it, despite the fact that he didn't want to deal with the repercussions of it. I'd adore seeing her again and don't get the hate for the story at all.

There are a lot of Time Lords (and I hate the Gallifreyans and Time Lords are different races crap--likely the Shabogans/outside rebels even state that they had left Time Lord society). I seriously think a lot of the later books were written by folks who had a sh*tty memory of the series in the days before all the videos were out or they didn't exactly pick through every word in the series. And of course, the JN-T era had its whole attempt to asexualize the Doc when he had never been that prior (no, really, he wasn't), to the point of Carole Ann Ford laughing in JN-T's face when she was told that if she called the Doc "Grandfather" it meant the Doc had once had sex. Oh, and yeah, Three speaks of having been "a little boy" with the Hermit/K'anpo (seriously, he says "when I was a little boy"), which also deletes Lungbarrow and its looms further from canon, just like showing the 8-year-old Master did (thank God). And then there's the demented 'didn't listen very closely, did you?' fans who try to argue that the Doc wasn't born on Gallifrey because he was born near Karn, when it's blatant that the Sisterhood is extremely connected to Time Lord history.

(Jeepers... Am I the only early Docs, more-interested-in-CCs person and Ten fan around here? Everybody else seems to be '80s and Eleven fans.)

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Sorry but I disagree, it is a celebration of 50 years. I doubt anyone with an ounce of gumption would write a celebration story of this magnatude with the premise of not confusing the 9 and under age bracket :)

If all we are getting is 10 and 11 SM should hang his head in shame.
It wasn't meant to be the ideal i wanted, more what we may get!
though if the rumours of the DS9 style insertions to interact with the previous medics are true.....done right I will be very happy. done badly and rage will be induced

Didn't the first medic die of old age? Under 800 if I recall.
I'm sure I remember hearing from somewhere official that his end was meant to be because of the influence Mondas, but that it wasn't made clear enough in the show

450! 450! 450!

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doctor's_age

What I believe works:

1: left Gallifrey at 236, regenerated at c. 450.
2: c. 450-?
3: ?-748
4: 748-813
5: 813-c. 900
6: c. 900-953
7: 953-1009
8: 1009-1136
9: 900 years of time and space + 236 = 1136-1137
10: 1137-1143
11: 1143-c. 1200

Eleven has just been adding back on his Gallifrey-bound years that Nine originally chopped off, IMO.

Also, further proof that there's some age equivalency shenanigans going on is that Susan actually states in one of the CCs that she's older than Ian and Barbara combined, rather than a mere 15-16 year old. Romana getting her air car at 80 and the Doc still considering himself a kid at 90 is a probably a good place to start for what is considered a Gallifreyan teenage-like age. This gels with Susan being more than the ages of a mid-30s teacher and 40ish-year-old teacher combined.

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Two was 450 in human years in Tomb--Polly and Ben only traveled for a year, so it's within a year of One's regeneration.

3 kept mentioning the fact that he was thousands of years old.

Three said it once. It also begs the question of 'by which planet's calendar?' As I said, it's only the 450 figure that we actually know is the Earth calendar.

I'm 13 years old on Mars. ;)

Three said it once. It also begs the question of 'by which planet's calendar?' As I said, it's only the 450 figure that we actually know is the Earth calendar.

I'm 13 years old on Mars. ;)

Actually he says it more than once, or at least alludes to it with phrases like 'in all my thousands of years.'

Jeepers... Am I the only early Docs, more-interested-in-CCs person and Ten fan around here? Everybody else seems to be '80s and Eleven fans.true, I'm not that interested in the CCs, but that's just because I'm not that interested in the companions.

I'm not specifically '80s and Eleven. My favourite is Six, but I actually don't really like any of seasons 22 and 23 - that was all either rubbish or Six-light. I'm much more into the character than the stories. And I like Eleven, but only as much as Ten.

my order of favourites seems a bit uncommon:
most favourite: Six
second most: Seven
middle rank A: Two, Nine, Eight
middle rank B: One, Five
second least: Three, Ten, Eleven
least favourite: Four
sometimes the middle ones shuffle around.
bearing in mind that's just the Faces themselves. the stories vary Wildly.


also, I've started making notes of how long the Medic spends on each adventure. Wish I'd started that while I was still on the Classics, will have to re-read (⸮such a chore!⸮).

For example, he spent 600 0rbis years on 0rbis. That may not have been comparable to 600 Earth years, but it was long enough for him to forget how much he likes humans.

It's very interesting.

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or any of the 11th medic audios,

T*h*e A*r*t o*f D*e*a*t*h
T*h*e N*u-H*u*m*a*n*s
D*a*y of the C*o*c*k*r*o*a*c*h
S*l*e*e*p*e*r*s i*n t*h*e D*u*s*t

here's deepers in the slust :)
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also, I've started making notes of how long the Medic spends on each adventure. Wish I'd started that while I was still on the Classics, will have to re-read (⸮such a chore!⸮).

For example, he spent 600 0rbis years on 0rbis. That may not have been comparable to 600 Earth years, but it was long enough for him to forget how much he likes humans.

It's very interesting.

A very ambitious project and I wish you luck, but...

Without some kind of frame of reference, it's pretty meaningless. 600 Orbis years could be 6 Earth Months (just a ludicrous example), plus how much 'down time' does he take between adventures?

Forgot to post this S*p*a*c*e H*a*c*k*s

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Never heard of this, but sounds interesting - Tim Key & Dan Tetsell, Prunella Scales... great cast at least. Thanks, red!

A very ambitious project and I wish you luck, but...

Without some kind of frame of reference, it's pretty meaningless. 600 Orbis years could be 6 Earth Months (just a ludicrous example), plus how much 'down time' does he take between adventures?

no idea how much down time is between adventures, that's why they manage to cram novels and audios etc. in there :D

mostly i'm assuming Earth years, months etc unless specified otherwise, plus i'm noting when the time passed is passed on Earth, because then it's Definitely Earth time.

I don't really mind if it's meaningless. it's not undertaken with any grand purpose in mind other than boundless curiosity :)

no idea how much down time is between adventures, that's why they manage to cram novels and audios etc. in there :D

mostly i'm assuming Earth years, months etc unless specified otherwise, plus i'm noting when the time passed is passed on Earth, because then it's Definitely Earth time.

I don't really mind if it's meaningless. it's not undertaken with any grand purpose in mind other than boundless curiosity :)

I didn't mean the idea is meaningless, I meant the differences between calenders makes the passage of time meaningless, btw :)

... I'm a new fan ... please don't let us all be tarred with the same brush, the Classic series ended before I'd attained sentience IT'S NOT MY FAAUUUUUULT :'(

But we KNOW you're interested in the old series - you've read the NAs and so on, for instance, so you've made an effort to explore the past, which is GREAT! Not all new fans deny the past, thank goodness... :P

Here's a conversational hand-grenade ...

Would "NuWho" have been better if it HAD been a reboot?

Complete restart. CE is The First Doctor. The series keeps the Regenerating Time Traveller In A Police Box AND THAT'S IT.

Sometimes I do think, yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea. The writers don't have to worry about 50 years of history and fan histrionics, old foes could be redone from scratch, new rules to make and later be broken, and no one can complain about how you pronounce the name of a planet.

And we wouldn't have to worry about regenerations running out soon! :)

Now obviously I'm happier that it is a continuation, but what are others thoughts on the idea?

From my own POV, no. I'm glad it wasn't. I guess I would've been ok with it if it had (& if it had sucked, it would've been easier to just ignore it!), but continuing on from where we left off just seemed RIGHT...

u said that Sherlock should be cancelled, that pic was my response...i've been a Sherlockian since i was 5 years old and Ben Cumberbatch is my 3rd fave. so, I bite my thumb at you.

"So, I bite my thumb at you" is pure comedy gold, it made me nearly spill my coffee :)

Jeremy Brett will always be the yard stick by which any actor who plays Holmes will be measured, his portrail is nothing short of perfection.

(Jeepers... Am I the only early Docs, more-interested-in-CCs person and Ten fan around here? Everybody else seems to be '80s and Eleven fans.)

I love it ALL!! And despite Davison being my first 'proper' Medic and thus holding special place in my fan heart, Troughton is my favourite!

Although, I must admit I prefer 11 to 10...

3 kept mentioning the fact that he was thousands of years old.

But three was a show-off and did talk a lot of crap... :)

I didn't mean the idea is meaningless, I meant the differences between calenders makes the passage of time meaningless, btw :)

understood :) I have a habit of thinking of things in terms of algebra anyway, so unsimplifiable equations don't bother me!

i don't want a 10 and 11 pairing for the 50th...... --- i want a representational love letter....4 walking a canine in the background.....5 playing cricket.... 6 shopping in a clothing shop for a black turtleneck... 7 playing spoons... 8 kissing americans...9 just something that says thank you to them and the fans... give William russell his due as first lead of the show...; and Purves as the Lead masle lead...[remember 1 was less the lead rather than those two...and the extras for this piece should read as a cast list for the whole series.. but this just can't be The Two Doctors 2.0

The scenario you give each Doc is perfectly imagined in my opinion, I especially like the 6th shopping for a black turtleneck. Your thoughts on Russell and Purves do you credit too and as you so rightly say these two actors should be given honouree lead role status.

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FANTASTIC!!! These are making my days!!!! Thank you!!! Are you planning to do any of the early LC stuff with the wrong theme music attached to it. That would be cool!!!

But we KNOW you're interested in the old series - you've read the NAs and so on, for instance, so you've made an effort to explore the past, which is GREAT! Not all new fans deny the past, thank goodness... :P
I agree.

I would never tar any of the new fans with the same brush. I only have an issue with the new fans that want to try and deny the past.

My wife has 13 year old cousin and she is a medic fan and thankfully not a stereo typical teen. I am guessing (although have not had the chance to ask her) she has come to it from the new series. I saw once in her room she has listened to a JP audiobook reading. Which judging by the kind of case it was in I am guessing she had borrowed from the library.

We are hoping she will come round soon and I will ask her about her interest in the classic series. In fact I have 8 DVD's I can give her if she wants them as I have upgraded to the SE versions and if she wants more then I can continue to give them to her when I get SE versions.

She could also watch some classic medic with us.

New eLectric Reading! My avatar's contribution to the anniversary: "The Rutes of Eve Ill" RWQ

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New eLectric Reading! My avatar's contribution to the anniversary: "The Rutes of Eve Ill" RWQ

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Ooh, I'd forgotten this was out today! Thanks a billion, spyderkb!! You rule!! :D

New eLectric Reading! My avatar's contribution to the anniversary: "The Rutes of Eve Ill"

I seem to have been too late to catch the third of that lot... can anyone help?

I seem to have been too late to catch the third of that lot... can anyone help?

Here they are, the first four 50th anniversary Electric Readings, thanks to spyderkb. ;) RWQ

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thankyou thankyou!

You're all most welcome! Just trying to add my small part for all the wonderful audios you've all uploaded :)

As to the recent HHGTG uploads, just checking, but was the Un-Cut* version of Fit the 3rd included? If not I can supply that.

In the meantime, here's a rarity for you: The Marvin the Android Singles! Yes, our favorite manically depressed robot cut his own tracks back in the day. And you thought "Medic in Dis tress" was disturbing .... RWQ

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*In the initial transmission, there's a scene where Marvin "hums" like Pink Floyd and The Beatles that has been un-released (distribution rights too expensive) since then. It happens at the 16:20 mark after the Ship's new personality finally opens the door for them on Magrathea.

In the meantime, here's a rarity for you: The Marvin the Android Singles! Yes, our favorite manically depressed robot cut his own tracks back in the day. And you thought "Medic in Dis tress" was disturbing .... RWQ


Love Reasons to be Miserable. Was remixed and rereleased with Stephen Fry for the HHG Movie soundtrack.

Found this on YT as well, scene dropped from the Movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAC4Bq0v7sw

Found this on YT as well, scene dropped from the Movie.
Vote Beeblebrox - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAC4Bq0v7sw)

Excellent!

Saw Hannon perform this live at The Roundhouse a few years back. Brilliant experience.

You're all most welcome! Just trying to add my small part for all the wonderful audios you've all uploaded :)

As to the recent HHGTG uploads, just checking, but was the Un-Cut* version of Fit the 3rd included? If not I can supply that.

In the meantime, here's a rarity for you: The Marvin the Android Singles! Yes, our favorite manically depressed robot cut his own tracks back in the day.

thank you very much! i think i may have worn out my vinyl copy of reasons to be miserable...

and the uncut version? oh definitely please

thank you very much! i think i may have worn out my vinyl copy of reasons to be miserable...

and the uncut version? oh definitely please

Filling a couple req's here.

For Moody: the uncut Fit the 3rd RWQ

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And I forgot who asked for them, but here are the LP versions of H2G2: same cast as the radio drama, but updated scripts, so no bird people or cloned archaeologists.

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Filling a couple req's here.

For Moody: the uncut Fit the 3rd
thank you for that. brilliant!

(Jeepers... Am I the only early Docs, more-interested-in-CCs person and Ten fan around here? Everybody else seems to be '80s and Eleven fans.)

Y*A*N*A Sorry, couldn't resist.

No, you aren't the only one! Though, being American, I didn't get to start with the early Docs *until* the 1980's. So strange to realize *now* that the "new and fresh" 4th Doctor era was long over in the U.K. by the time I got to see it.

Anyway, I completely agree with the silliness of asexualizing the Doctor. While I love the novels, and am perfectly happy for the Doctor to be revealed as even more alien than expected, retconning Susan was crap. Their relationship is one of the things I really love about the 1st Doctor era. And for some Author Come Lately to decide it was all just role-playing 30 years later is unacceptable. It pisses all over the back-story Hartnell and Ford themselves added to the lore. Mostly it annoys me because it forces a choice between Lungbarrow and the TV show. And I *really* want the NA's to be part of the continuity. So, Mr. Platt not only pisses on the show, he pisses on the NA's as well. 'Cause I'm siding with Hartnell and Ford.

As for 10: 2nd best Doctor. Full Stop. I'm honestly baffled by the backlash his era has gotten lately.

Matt if fine - no, brilliant! Love the guy - but he really is a Troughton 2.0 for me. And Troughton did Troughton better.

Y*A*N*A Sorry, couldn't resist.

No, you aren't the only one! Though, being American, I didn't get to start with the early Docs *until* the 1980's. So strange to realize *now* that the "new and fresh" 4th Doctor era was long over in the U.K. by the time I got to see it.

Anyway, I completely agree with the silliness of asexualizing the Doctor. While I love the novels, and am perfectly happy for the Doctor to be revealed as even more alien than expected, retconning Susan was crap. Their relationship is one of the things I really love about the 1st Doctor era. And for some Author Come Lately to decide it was all just role-playing 30 years later is unacceptable. It pisses all over the back-story Hartnell and Ford themselves added to the lore. Mostly it annoys me because it forces a choice between Lungbarrow and the TV show. And I *really* want the NA's to be part of the continuity. So, Mr. Platt not only pisses on the show, he pisses on the NA's as well. 'Cause I'm siding with Hartnell and Ford.

As for 10: 2nd best Doctor. Full Stop. I'm honestly baffled by the backlash his era has gotten lately.

Matt if fine - no, brilliant! Love the guy - but he really is a Troughton 2.0 for me. And Troughton did Troughton better.

10 I think to many is still 'too new' even though his era was five years ago! I wonder if the 50th will prompt a re-evaluation of the 10th era? By the way, the 4th was my first doctor although I only have memories of two of his adventures (i was very young!) I didn't watch avidly until doctor 5 came along, so I will always have a soft spot for him.

Completely off-topic, but...

This just in : France is finally allowing same-sex marriage, just a few days after New Zealand. I am sincerely thrilled right now!

And for some Author Come Lately to decide it was all just role-playing 30 years later is unacceptable.

i knew there was a good reason why i hadn't ever gotten round to reading them...

true, I'm not that interested in the CCs, but that's just because I'm not that interested in the companions.

I'm not specifically '80s and Eleven. My favourite is Six, but I actually don't really like any of seasons 22 and 23 - that was all either rubbish or Six-light. I'm much more into the character than the stories. And I like Eleven, but only as much as Ten.

my order of favourites seems a bit uncommon:
most favourite: Six
second most: Seven
middle rank A: Two, Nine, Eight
middle rank B: One, Five
second least: Three, Ten, Eleven
least favourite: Four
sometimes the middle ones shuffle around.
bearing in mind that's just the Faces themselves. the stories vary Wildly.


also, I've started making notes of how long the Medic spends on each adventure. Wish I'd started that while I was still on the Classics, will have to re-read (⸮such a chore!⸮).

For example, he spent 600 0rbis years on 0rbis. That may not have been comparable to 600 Earth years, but it was long enough for him to forget how much he likes humans.

It's very interesting.

I have a similar "unpopular" list:

best: one and seven
runner up: two, six and ten
2nd runner up: four and five
3rd runner up: eight
least favorites: nine and eleven

I said it may not be popular!

While I love the novels, and am perfectly happy for the Doctor to be revealed as even more alien than expected, retconning Susan was crap. Their relationship is one of the things I really love about the 1st Doctor era. And for some Author Come Lately to decide it was all just role-playing 30 years later is unacceptable. It pisses all over the back-story Hartnell and Ford themselves added to the lore. Mostly it annoys me because it forces a choice between Lungbarrow and the TV show. And I *really* want the NA's to be part of the continuity. So, Mr. Platt not only pisses on the show, he pisses on the NA's as well. 'Cause I'm siding with Hartnell and Ford.

Whilst I found the NA's to be an enjoyable read I don't personally count what they contain to be canon, firstly they were released after the cancelation of the show in a time when the BBC didn't really care what was written about a now defunct show, and second they were mostly written by fan boy authors who seemed hell bent on creating their own version of who lore.

I find that I enjoy them better if I read them with the premise that this Doctor is an alternative version of our Doctor, a splinter of the same character but with a slightly different personal history and ethics.

When Amy asked the TARDIS to show her all the Doctors past companions we only saw the TV companions and none from any other medium i.e. Sharon, Benny, Lucy, etc so presumably the BBC only see the TV show as canon and that the rest is mere conjecture, which is a pity really when it comes to the audios because LC, unlike the NA authors, Platt, Arronovitch, Orman etc, have kept to the established history of the original series almost faultlessly, and have given us much more actual “content” that can be seamlessly woven into the Doctors personal time line.

For a fan of the series to take established fact like the 1st Doc and Susan and try and change it to his own way of thinking was egotistical to say the least, whilst Lungbarrow is a good read it has no place in our Doctors personal history.

I think that to try and write a biography of the Doctor that takes every fact from every medium and place those facts into a linear time line is impossible for the simple reason that much of it is written by fans, and as I said earlier as fans we ignore or explain away what we don’t like with our own theory’s and ideals that we want to be true however much it may contradict the established story.

But that’s just my opinion, at the end of the day canon is what you want it to be.

The Destiny series? They're CC's by another name.

I don't listen to those--are they just audiobooks? I'm only really interested in full dramas.

I don't listen to those--are they just audiobooks? I'm only really interested in full dramas.

They're "enhanced" audiobooks. The format is generally one reader who does most of the descriptive passages and narration, with a second actor providing another voice or POV where the story requires. Depending on the story they're either First or Third Person narration. There's a few that are more "two handers" with little narration, such as Solitaire or 'Perry And The Pizzcon Parrydox'

They're not my favourite range as I find Ms Bowwyman's direction (S4 and 5 in particular) to be lazy, but there's some amazing stories though. Those two I mentioned previously, everything with Ian or Steven and the brilliant Leela trilogy.

And there's 'The Scortcheese' which is ... bizarre!

Thought I throw this into the mix as it was sought of bought up earlier. The HHGTTG movie soundtrack.

Not expecting this to be that popular but hey-ho. It's better than the film at least.

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Oh F@*K and buggeration! Just realsed I've deleted every sinlge DW video on both my main drive and my back-up drive.

Whilst I found the NA's to be an enjoyable read I don't personally count what they contain to be canon, firstly they were released after the cancelation of the show in a time when the BBC didn't really care what was written about a now defunct show, and second they were mostly written by fan boy authors who seemed hell bent on creating their own version of who lore.

I find that I enjoy them better if I read them with the premise that this Doctor is an alternative version of our Doctor, a splinter of the same character but with a slightly different personal history and ethics.

When Amy asked the TARDIS to show her all the Doctors past companions we only saw the TV companions and none from any other medium i.e. Sharon, Benny, Lucy, etc so presumably the BBC only see the TV show as canon and that the rest is mere conjecture, which is a pity really when it comes to the audios because LC, unlike the NA authors, Platt, Arronovitch, Orman etc, have kept to the established history of the original series almost faultlessly, and have given us much more actual “content” that can be seamlessly woven into the Doctors personal time line.

For a fan of the series to take established fact like the 1st Doc and Susan and try and change it to his own way of thinking was egotistical to say the least, whilst Lungbarrow is a good read it has no place in our Doctors personal history.

I think that to try and write a biography of the Doctor that takes every fact from every medium and place those facts into a linear time line is impossible for the simple reason that much of it is written by fans, and as I said earlier as fans we ignore or explain away what we don’t like with our own theory’s and ideals that we want to be true however much it may contradict the established story.

But that’s just my opinion, at the end of the day canon is what you want it to be.



Personally, I have a harsher view of those novels. "Canon is what you want it to be" only goes so far before you've fallen into the utter fanon territory. And to me, those books were pure fanon. Elevated fanfics (and bad fanfics at that) published to make a buck and nothing more.

Oh F@*K and buggeration! Just realsed I've deleted every sinlge DW video on both my main drive and my back-up drive.

wwwwoooooppss!!!

The biggest problem with labelling the NA's as purely Fanon is the fact that the BBC did have a hand in them in some regard. I remember reading the very first book in the line and there being a page or so that was dedicated to thanking the BBC for letting them continue the show in some regard. If I can find the exact text, I may add it later.

And here it is:
Here is an introductory word about Doctor Who - The New Adventures: continuity.
Our objectives in publishing this series of novels are: to continue the time and
space peregrinations of the Doctor and Ace from the point at which we last saw
them on television, at the end of the story Survival; to continue the Doctor Who
traditions of exciting science fiction stories laced with humour, drama and
terror; and to continue the trend of recent seasons of television stories
towards complex, challenging plots with serious themes.
Within these objectives there is room for a universe of types of story and
styles of writing, and I've encouraged the authors of The New Adventures to take
full advantage of the scope offered by the medium of the novel. In Timewyrm:
Genesys John Peel has produced a two-fisted, sword-wielding, action-packed
adventure that doesn't pause for breath between the first and last pages. Each
subsequent book in the Timewyrm series - Exodus by Terrance Dicks, Apocalypse by
Nigel Robinson, and Revelation by Paul Cornell - has its own style; all,
however, share the common Doctor Who heritage. A second series, of three novels,
is in preparation.
Creating a new series of original Doctor Who novels is a considerableundertaking - I can vouch for the fact that the TARDIS is a tricky craft to
pilot - and thanks are due to all who made it possible: Chris Weller of BBC
Books, for letting us do it; John Nathan-Turner, for supporting the project
right up to the end of his Producership; Andrew Cartmel, Marc Platt, Ben
Aaronovitch, John Peel, Ian Briggs, and JeanMarc Lofficier, for providing the
plot and characterization details out of which I have tried to create a
consistent background for the series; Andrew Skilleter, for stepping into the
void to illustrate the covers; Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred, for providing
such vivid characterisations of the Doctor and Ace, for allowing us to use their
faces on our book covers, for supporting Doctor Who in general and The New
Adventures in particular, and thanks especially to Sophie for her generosity in
writing a foreword for this novel; Rhona MacNamara, my assistant, without whom I
simply couldn't have done it; and every single one of the people who have
submitted proposals for stories.
The Doctor continues - unregenerated, but with a new lease of life.
Peter Darvill-Evans, Series Editor February 1991


I may be reading it wrong, it's still a little early for me, but there ya go. n.n

The biggest problem with labelling the NA's as purely Fanon is the fact that the BBC did have a hand in them in some regard. I remember reading the very first book in the line and there being a page or so that was dedicated to thanking the BBC for letting them continue the show in some regard. If I can find the exact text, I may add it later.

And here it is:
Here is an introductory word about Doctor Who - The New Adventures: continuity.
Our objectives in publishing this series of novels are: to continue the time and
space peregrinations of the Doctor and Ace from the point at which we last saw
them on television, at the end of the story Survival; to continue the Doctor Who
traditions of exciting science fiction stories laced with humour, drama and
terror; and to continue the trend of recent seasons of television stories
towards complex, challenging plots with serious themes.
Within these objectives there is room for a universe of types of story and
styles of writing, and I've encouraged the authors of The New Adventures to take
full advantage of the scope offered by the medium of the novel. In Timewyrm:
Genesys John Peel has produced a two-fisted, sword-wielding, action-packed
adventure that doesn't pause for breath between the first and last pages. Each
subsequent book in the Timewyrm series - Exodus by Terrance Dicks, Apocalypse by
Nigel Robinson, and Revelation by Paul Cornell - has its own style; all,
however, share the common Doctor Who heritage. A second series, of three novels,
is in preparation.
Creating a new series of original Doctor Who novels is a considerableundertaking - I can vouch for the fact that the TARDIS is a tricky craft to
pilot - and thanks are due to all who made it possible: Chris Weller of BBC
Books, for letting us do it; John Nathan-Turner, for supporting the project
right up to the end of his Producership; Andrew Cartmel, Marc Platt, Ben
Aaronovitch, John Peel, Ian Briggs, and JeanMarc Lofficier, for providing the
plot and characterization details out of which I have tried to create a
consistent background for the series; Andrew Skilleter, for stepping into the
void to illustrate the covers; Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred, for providing
such vivid characterisations of the Doctor and Ace, for allowing us to use their
faces on our book covers, for supporting Doctor Who in general and The New
Adventures in particular, and thanks especially to Sophie for her generosity in
writing a foreword for this novel; Rhona MacNamara, my assistant, without whom I
simply couldn't have done it; and every single one of the people who have
submitted proposals for stories.
The Doctor continues - unregenerated, but with a new lease of life.
Peter Darvill-Evans, Series Editor February 1991


I may be reading it wrong, it's still a little early for me, but there ya go. n.n

Doesn't sound like they did. He's just thanking the people responsible at the beeb for giving him permission to produce the stories.

Personally, I have a harsher view of those novels. "Canon is what you want it to be" only goes so far before you've fallen into the utter fanon territory. And to me, those books were pure fanon. Elevated fanfics (and bad fanfics at that) published to make a buck and nothing more.

This proves my point, each and every one of us has a different view of what is and isn't good canonical material, I agree the main drive behind these books was in virgins view to make a few quid, and from the writers view it was a release valve, a chance to put right all that they thought was wrong or could be improved upon.

Some of the books are quite well written and imaginative and I don’t think it’s fair to say they were all bad, though Transit by BA was utter tripe.

The Doctor's age is as muddled as his own personal timeline. Third can say he was thousands and Romana can give an exact number but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things without the reference to the calendars he's using. I believe I read somewhere that Third's statement was swept under the rug with the half human remark and the morbius regens as being fan unfriendly. It was also implied that he meant he's traveled through time across thousands of years to gain that experience. Ultimately irrelevant because we'll continue to get new books and audios to fill any gaps real or imagined regardless of how 'old' the doctor is.

That said, I choose to believe that Four traveled much longer than the the chronology suggest simply because he was on screen so long and shot across the universe with a fellow time lady. I also take issue with the same chronology because two and five always traded off human companions which makes adding time to his on screen time more challenging. I choose to believe that their travels were cut decidedly short.



There's a few that are more "two handers" with little narration, such as Solitaire or 'Perry And The Pizzcon Parrydox'


Both fantastic CCs. Buy don't borrow.

Oh F@*K and buggeration! Just realsed I've deleted every sinlge DW video on both my main drive and my back-up drive.

*gasp*

Oh F@*K and buggeration! Just realsed I've deleted every sinlge DW video on both my main drive and my back-up drive.

Oh bloody hell. Hope you have a third backup!!

Oh F@*K and buggeration! Just realsed I've deleted every sinlge DW video on both my main drive and my back-up drive.

Ouch! I had a recovery programme somewhere from when I did something similar. There's a very slim chance I may still have it - will check my pc at work and if I do I will send you it.

In the meantime, a few DW ebooks I found while looking for it. Don't know where they came from, or when, but enjoy!

RWQ

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Will leave the link up for 24 hours or so.

And there's 'The Scortcheese' which is ... bizarre!

Dam! I *almost* had that song out of my head ... "Jo is making a thing, held together with a piece of string" AAAAGGG!


at the end of the day canon is what you want it to be.

Which completely negates any idea of a Canon = the accepted body of work determined by authority), since no one of us (fans) can claim final authority, and the BBC hasn't and won't. "Personal Canon" is nearly a contradiction. I try to think in terms of continuity, which presents it's own wibbly/wobbly problems quite unique in DW. So, "Fanon" is all there ever was or will be. Which is both annoying and liberating.

Back to "Lungbarrow" and the books: I certainly didn't mean to stir the pot with my vent against the retconning of Susan. I love the novel ranges! And it'd take far more typing than anyone would be happy to sit through to explain why they should not be considered mere fan-fiction. But the short of it is, without the NA's, DW would look *very* different today, if it got another chance at all. Plus, so many who produce current BBC DW and Big Finish worked on the novel ranges. And the new series does make reference back to the novels from time-to-time. Not least of which is the "Family of Blood" story, of course. But "Lungbarrow" itself is an especially sticky wicket, since it was the culmination of The Cartmel Masterplan, and was where the show was headed before it got cancelled. I really just don't like the Susan thing.

(Wow, I totally trimmed several long paragraphs down to only 2. I'm so proud LOL!)

Oh F@*K and buggeration! Just realsed I've deleted every sinlge DW video on both my main drive and my back-up drive.

I think I'd cry, if it were me! Do you want some Toe-Rent links to help start the recovery?

The biggest problem with labelling the NA's as purely Fanon is the fact that the BBC did have a hand in them in some regard. I remember reading the very first book in the line and there being a page or so that was dedicated to thanking the BBC for letting them continue the show in some regard. If I can find the exact text, I may add it later.

And here it is:
Here is an introductory word about Doctor Who - The New Adventures: continuity.
Our objectives in publishing this series of novels are: to continue the time and
space peregrinations of the Doctor and Ace from the point at which we last saw
them on television, at the end of the story Survival; to continue the Doctor Who
traditions of exciting science fiction stories laced with humour, drama and
terror; and to continue the trend of recent seasons of television stories
towards complex, challenging plots with serious themes.
Within these objectives there is room for a universe of types of story and
styles of writing, and I've encouraged the authors of The New Adventures to take
full advantage of the scope offered by the medium of the novel. In Timewyrm:
Genesys John Peel has produced a two-fisted, sword-wielding, action-packed
adventure that doesn't pause for breath between the first and last pages. Each
subsequent book in the Timewyrm series - Exodus by Terrance Dicks, Apocalypse by
Nigel Robinson, and Revelation by Paul Cornell - has its own style; all,
however, share the common Doctor Who heritage. A second series, of three novels,
is in preparation.
Creating a new series of original Doctor Who novels is a considerableundertaking - I can vouch for the fact that the TARDIS is a tricky craft to
pilot - and thanks are due to all who made it possible: Chris Weller of BBC
Books, for letting us do it; John Nathan-Turner, for supporting the project
right up to the end of his Producership; Andrew Cartmel, Marc Platt, Ben
Aaronovitch, John Peel, Ian Briggs, and JeanMarc Lofficier, for providing the
plot and characterization details out of which I have tried to create a
consistent background for the series; Andrew Skilleter, for stepping into the
void to illustrate the covers; Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred, for providing
such vivid characterisations of the Doctor and Ace, for allowing us to use their
faces on our book covers, for supporting Doctor Who in general and The New
Adventures in particular, and thanks especially to Sophie for her generosity in
writing a foreword for this novel; Rhona MacNamara, my assistant, without whom I
simply couldn't have done it; and every single one of the people who have
submitted proposals for stories.
The Doctor continues - unregenerated, but with a new lease of life.
Peter Darvill-Evans, Series Editor February 1991



I may be reading it wrong, it's still a little early for me, but there ya go. n.n


I think the big problem is the comic strip, the NAs, the BBC Novels and Big Finish all have continuity issues that mean they cannot all be in the same canon so people have to pick things to leave out. BBC Books tried to tie it all up with the "bottle universe" idea (different continuities exist in cloned universes in bottles) but that seemed to be dropped.

Which completely negates any idea of a Canon = the accepted body of work determined by authority), since no one of us (fans) can claim final authority, and the BBC hasn't and won't. "Personal Canon" is nearly a contradiction. I try to think in terms of continuity, which presents it's own wibbly/wobbly problems quite unique in DW. So, "Fanon" is all there ever was or will be. Which is both annoying and liberating.

I know what canon means :D, but unless the authority i.e. the BBC clarify (and they won’t) what is and what isn’t canon then it’s up to the individual to make their own mind up. For me personally I only take the TV series and LC audios as cannon (and thats only because I like them) :).

Canon is specifically and exactly what I believe it to be, and not what anyone else believes it to be. So unless you're thinking it's exactly what I think it is, you're wrong. Sorry! :)

Oh bloody hell. Hope you have a third backup!!

That's the only reason I realised as I was about to back them up to the third drive.


Ouch! I had a recovery programme somewhere from when I did something similar. There's a very slim chance I may still have it - will check my pc at work and if I do I will send you it.

I used to have a really good recovery program that would even manage to recover the file names but can't for the life of me remember what it was called, my current one only recovers the files. Although I fear it may be all for nowt, 2� terabytes would probably defeat my patience.

The NuWho and 1st/2nd medic episodes aren't a problem can get those easy. It's the 3/4/5/6/7 that I don't have good links for.

4's my who so they're the ones I want back.

Cheers everyone.

Oh F@*K and buggeration! Just realsed I've deleted every sinlge DW video on both my main drive and my back-up drive.

On the up-side ... I shouldn't take you too long to rebuild your collection. If you can get into UseNet you can probably grab a good 70% of the dvdrips within a few days.

Doesn't that complicate things though with the Benny Series from LC? Seeing as how she was originally a character from the NAs and all?

..It's the 3/4/5/6/7 that I don't have good links for...

Usenet, my friend, Usenet.

Doesn't that complicate things though with the Benny Series from LC? Seeing as how she was originally a character from the NAs and all?

Nah. They've obviously got a good ongoing relationship with her creator.

Canon is specifically and exactly what I believe it to be, and not what anyone else believes it to be. So unless you're thinking it's exactly what I think it is, you're wrong. Sorry! :)

That is precisely my point :)

I think I'd cry, if it were me! Do you want some Toe-Rent links to help start the recovery?

Was planning on watching 4th Medic from the start later this week.

Oh F@*K and buggeration! Just realsed I've deleted every sinlge DW video on both my main drive and my back-up drive.

I hope you can get everything back mate, it's a bloody disaster for you.

Usenet, my friend, Usenet.

I'll be honest in the past every time I've tried to use Usenet I've got nowhere... I'll have to look into it again.

Oh F@*K and buggeration! Just realsed I've deleted every sinlge DW video on both my main drive and my back-up drive.

How the hell did you manage to wipe your main and backup? Talk about unlucky. :(

Nah. They've obviously got a good ongoing relationship with her creator.

I suppose you have a point there.

I'll be honest in the past every time I've tried to use Usenet I've got nowhere... I'll have to look into it again.

Seriously, it's worth it. With a three-day free account from somewhere like ....


★ ★ Hitnews ★ ★ (http://www.hitnews.com)


... you should be able to grab nearly everything you need from the ...


alt.binaries.drwho


... group.

If you're on a PC get a copy of ForteAgent, read their help and FAQs, and you should be fine.

And it's times like this I wish I was better at explaining things! :)

How the hell did you manage to wipe your main and backup? Talk about unlucky. :(

Buggered if I know. Bought a new drive just for the my medic, BeeBeeSee and a few other keepers and somewhere in the transfer I seemed to have deleted both folders.....I can't complain too much there was probably a pint or six involved so it's my own fault.

Dunno if it helps, but I've recently started seeing 1gb and 2gb USB sticks in POUNDLAND of all places. Should be able to stick a complete story on one stick. Yeah, it may mean having loads of sticks, but you're unlikely to loose the lot! :)

Buggered if I know. Bought a new drive just for the my medic, BeeBeeSee and a few other keepers and somewhere in the transfer I seemed to have deleted both folders.....I can't complain too much there was probably a pint or six involved so it's my own fault.

If you have just 'deleted them' they are recoverable all that has happened is the file allocation table now shows that space is available. Thing to do is to stop using that drive immediately to prevent any of the data being over written! What OS are you using?

Personal vs universal canon:I personally delight in all the novels' promise and expansion of the universe. My canon is super-enveloping with many warts and stupid things, because people's lives have stupid things. Of course I can't have everything, but I do try and get as much in as makes sense.
For example, I can't have both Alex Campbell and David Junior, Ian, and Barbara Campbell. I've gone with Alex, because I'm being greedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greedy_algorithm), and because his storyline's better and Legacy of the Pepperpots was a bit ridiculous anyway.
Of course my picking stuff to leave out means my canon probably won't work for anyone else, but why should it work for anyone else? I think one of the great beauties of DW is that it's something different for each fan.Asexualisation of the Doctor:all of his aspects have been flirted with at some point, and he's never reciprocated unless circumstances were extenuating, e.g. mind control or expediency or something. Until Rose, and then suddenly he was doing it all the time. I find that more jarring than a minor "retcon" of Susan's origins (I say "retcon" because I don't think it's a true retcon considering she was never given a proper backstory to change: she could indeed have been adopted). I'm okay with his uninterest in matters of the flesh. As a consequence, I'm okay with backstories explaining his uninterest in such things.Interstitial adventures (and thus his age):I really like the idea that the TARDIS sometimes brings the Doctor back so neatly that the companions didn't even know he had gone. So he could have many many years' worth of adventures, even with new companions, even while he had tv companions out at the shops or on their own mini-adventures. Even during other adventures - nested adventures - recursive adventures - adventures all the way doooooooown!

Which would mean that nobody except he should have any real idea of his age. I mean, how would they know his age back on Gallifrey, other than by spying on him � la Trial of a TL? Ah, possibly that super duper Eye-of-Harmony-TARDIS-link-telepathic-Matrix-link thingy. But I reckon Romana was just talking hot air, or referring to the length of Gallifrey time he'd been away.Fanon:I don't really understand the term, and as such don't understand the aversion. Is it just that it's being pick-and-choose-ey about past canon in order to make one's own? Because that's what the tv series does all the time, isn't it? Does the fact that a fan's doing it really make it worse? I'd actually be more offended by a non-fan tromping all over the established events with his great clod-hoppers.
presumably the BBC only see the TV show as canonI'd rather say they were being diplomatic. They refuse to comment on the other media's canonicity; if they included any of it in the show, that would be a much more overt comment than exclusion.
and anyway, what about the new companions in the PDA or EDA series? those were BBC series.

Dunno if it helps, but I've recently started seeing 1gb and 2gb USB sticks in POUNDLAND of all places. Should be able to stick a complete story on one stick. Yeah, it may mean having loads of sticks, but you're unlikely to loose the lot! :)

Or backup onto writable DVDs - that's what I do.

Or backup onto writable DVDs - that's what I do.

Call me paranoid but I have every episode on DVD, as DVD images on one USB drive and then mp4 files for the AppleTV on another DVD drive. Oh and just backed up everything, not just DW, on a 3TB drive that is now unplugged and kept safe.

Call me paranoid but I have every episode on DVD, as DVD images on one USB drive and then mp4 files for the AppleTV on another DVD drive. Oh and just backed up everything, not just DW, on a 3TB drive that is now unplugged and kept safe.

I've stopped worrying about entertainment stuff and applications I've 'discovered and acquired' over the years. As long as my personal stuff (mainly photos, etc) is multi-backed-up, I'm fine.

I guess it'd take me about a week, tops, to get the stuff back that I really wanted/needed.

EDIT TO ADD - That's not to say I don't bother with backups, btw, just that I've stopped being quite so paranoid! :)

Oh F@*K and buggeration! Just realsed I've deleted every sinlge DW video on both my main drive and my back-up drive.

A moments silence, please.


Call me paranoid but I have every episode on DVD, as DVD images on one USB drive and then mp4 files for the AppleTV on another DVD drive. Oh and just backed up everything, not just DW, on a 3TB drive that is now unplugged and kept safe.

Paranoid? not after I lost and entire collection (of something quite different) due to a power cut corrupting a hard drive.

I have an "active" external hard drive, which i'm using to organise the complete mess of my collection, a second "back-up" drive which pretty much has everything chucked in there somewhere, and have started using cloud storage for the organised files.

A few Official BBC episodes here. Official, as-in it's the BBC that have put them up. And, unlike 4OD, you can grab them via a YT downloader. Which is nice.



http://www.youtube.com/show/drwho/videos