UPDATED links on page one. MEGAUPLOAD links being replaced slowly but surely! (and DON'T call me "Shirley)!!! Hehehehehehe

William

Somewhone got Star Trek: First Contact Limited Edition Complete Motion Picture Score?

It hasn't been posted yet.

Sweet!

Waiting on that, and "Generations" extended release as well!

William

Make no mistake, i like Mark Slaters music, but i find what he writes so outrageous, that I have to repost it here.
This is NOT how artists should behave with each other, if you don't like a fellows work, you f*cking keep your mouth
shut, unless the fellow has proven himself to have no talent whatsoever - at least in my opinion. Additionally i have totally opposing views. I like the score, but the movie itself -
well i need to keep mute about that, lol:

Star Trek (2009)
added on 01/11/09 by Mark Slater
Although I can't praise the overall film enough in terms of characters, script, art direction, pace and style, the perfection that otherwise might have been complete was seriously marred by the rather crass main theme. Although irritating enough to have people whistling it in the washrooms after the show, after the amount of repetitions this is hardly surprising and no reflection on the quality of the hook. Based around a motif, I can hardly call it a theme, it ran out of steam every 8 bars, requiring a plodding unimaginative eighth note dominant pedal to return it to its repeat. During moments of action the score performed its duty i.e. could have been composed by anyone, but while a different thematic style for the music was undoubtedly called for along with all the other reinvention of the franchise, MG's effort missed the grandeur of the big screen by a few parsecs. His monster theme for Cloverfield was only moderately less out of place, but still nothing compared to his excellent work with animation and 50's pastiche (Land of the Lost, The Incredibles). I am left with the distinct impression that this composer should be recognised for his considerable gifts there, for lighter and more fun styles, and others more capable to be a successor to Goldsmith or Horner be considered for future Star Trek films, rather than flavour of the month, Michael Giacchino.

Source: Mark Slater :: Film Music Composer :: Film Score Reviews (http://www.markslater.net/reviews.php?Idx=10)

Really, really? ST09 is one of the best ST film scores next to goldsmith and horner's additions. (don't forget Eldeman)

I don't necessarily disagree with him. I never thought MG's score was all that and a bag of chips.

Well, when I saw the film I was more into the storyline than the music, so I had to see it a couple of more times to appreciate what Michael had done with the score. Although, as a "Trekkie", you may not think that his music is really TREK music, since it has been cast in stone, first in the TV series by Courage and Steiner, and then in the movies by Goldsmith and Horner. But, the more I listen to the music, the more I really LOVE the style, and the various themes used in the construction of the soundtrack. I think that he did an acceptional piece of composition with this score, and it truely will be the direction of TREK music for the future.

That's my two cents, as a professional!

William

and it truely will be the direction of TREK music for the future.

That's my two cents, as a professional!

William

Professional what? Are you a typist for the studio? Truely??

Gwent, do you ever contribute anything of value? At all? To anyone?

That's my two cents, as a professional!

William

It's not a "bad" score, it just doesn't move me. I don't look at any score as "Star Trek" music, just whether or not it works for me in the film. It did the job, but nothing more. For me. I just find Giacchino's work when scoring JJ Abrams directed films to be easily forgettable. However, I loved his M:I Ghost Protocol score. And The Incredibles.

That's my unprofessional two cents (tongue firmly in cheek).

I loved UP, and Ratatoullie

That's my two cents, as a professional!

William

I'll add another 2 cents (unprofessional and almost deaf in one ear) to your two and now you have 4 cents my friend :)

Scott

That's my two cents, as a professional!

William

I'll add another 2 cents (unprofessional and almost deaf in one ear) to your two and now you have 4 cents my friend :)

Scott

Scotty, do you always multiply your estimates by a factor of four?

I actually have that book, got it for Christmas the year it came out, haven't read it in a very long time though, had no idea there was an audiobook of it.

I am having the most horrible time finding the audiobook of INSIDE STAR TREK by Herb Solow and Bob Justman. Its an excellent book, and a great audiobook as well... lots of dirt and interesting tidbits... Gene was quite a "character"... not quite the christ-like figure lots of people would have you believe. Anyways,on my old computer I downloaded it in this thread, or another from FFShrine. But that computer crashed and now I'm on my new one and I'm having a hell of a time finding it again. I tried to search for it but I'm just not finding it. Could someone help me please?


Inside Star Trek The Real Story Audio Tape Box (4 of 4) - Free Download from 4shared - FilesTube.com (http://www.filestube.com/dp8Oy1SOs2HIjL5oQlrXnP/Inside-Star-Trek-The-Real-Story-Audio-Tape-Box-4-of-4.html)

Try that one.

William

Scotty, do you always multiply your estimates by a factor of four?

Aye Sir! how else am I to keep my reputation as a miracle worker...

Inside Star Trek The Real Story Audio Tape Box (4 of 4) - Free Download from 4shared - FilesTube.com (http://www.filestube.com/dp8Oy1SOs2HIjL5oQlrXnP/Inside-Star-Trek-The-Real-Story-Audio-Tape-Box-4-of-4.html)

Try that one.

William

Seems you have to be registered there in order to download it. Any other way to get it?

yes, 4shared requires registration to up or download anything these days. A couple of others also.

Registration is free, I had no problems yesterday. Just register, no worries.

Here's a couple of RAPIDSHARE links:

https://rapidshare.com/#!download|16p11|283597591|Inside_Star_Trek_-_The_Real_Story.part2.rar|79252

https://rapidshare.com/#!download|763p10|283597899|Inside_Star_Trek_-_The_Real_Story.part1.rar|104857

William

Hi,

before a long time a friend showed me a "complete Star Trek First Contact" Soundtrack. It was a bootleg and the quality was great. Now the "complete Soundtrack" was published in a limited version - as we know - and I to ask you something: What is the difference? More stuff, different stuff, better stuff? Would be very interesting for me.

Thanks!

Me

There were also the recording sessions that were released...don't know if that was a boot leg or not but I really enjoy that edition.

In theory, the official release would be pristine and mastered, thus be a better all around experience than the boost, or, say, Sonic's remastering. In theory. But we all know being an official release means next to nothing these days.

Hi,

before a long time a friend showed me a "complete Star Trek First Contact" Soundtrack. It was a bootleg and the quality was great. Now the "complete Soundtrack" was published in a limited version - as we know - and I to ask you something: What is the difference? More stuff, different stuff, better stuff? Would be very interesting for me.

Thanks!

Me

Same here. Sometimes i get the feeling, we get, what i we already got through Promo Scores. Like Don Davis' TNGs "Face Of The Enemy" Promo that came LATER on the 3 CD TNG release. I didn't make much efforts trying to hear any sound quality differences along those two sources, but after a first listen i at least got no new impressions from the CD. As for the Expanded Movie Scores i DO hear a difference, they
are superb, but anything television, i am somewhat disappointed.

EDIT: Lol, Amanda, we had the same thought here :D

Hello there,

Could someone please upload the Complete Scores to each Star Trek Movie including 2009. The ones which are out on CD in Mp3 Format 256 to 320 KB's please, Rapidshare would be the best for me.

If someone can share them on here I would be grateful to you

Regards
CaptCub2012

Trek 2009 is a Varese Sarabande release. Their releases, and Film Score Monthly are not allowed on the open forum. This means Trek 2009, Wrath of Khan expanded, and Search for Spock expanded should not be posted here.

I'm trying to find the official album of Star Trek Vol 1 "The Cage" & "Where No Man..." on flac or mp3. I have the vinyl album but long since parted with any hardware to play it on!

Registration is free, I had no problems yesterday. Just register, no worries.

Here's a couple of RAPIDSHARE links:

https://rapidshare.com/#!download|16p11|283597591|Inside_Star_Trek_-_The_Real_Story.part2.rar|79252

https://rapidshare.com/#!download|763p10|283597899|Inside_Star_Trek_-_The_Real_Story.part1.rar|104857

William

Many thanks William. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-thumb-up-045.gif

In theory, the official release would be pristine and mastered, thus be a better all around experience than the boost, or, say, Sonic's remastering. In theory. But we all know being an official release means next to nothing these days.

According to everyone who has it on the FSM thread about the score, the quality IS much better than both the bootlegs and the original CD. Plus it probably doesn't have those digital 'popping' noises in some tracks.

Hi William

Do you have a pw for the Rapidshare zips, please?

Hi William

Do you have a pw for the Rapidshare zips, please?

Try...

www . rapidbyte . org

The string, not the web address. No spaces.

Try...

www . rapidbyte . org

The string, not the web address. No spaces.

Brilliant, thanks, and thanks to Williamtaylor1969!

AAAaaannnnd....another bootleg gets deleted... :awsm:

Don't delete too quickly -- about three slight alternate versions, not included on the new GNP, plus you don't get that scoring sessions sounds, if such interests you. So, about 30 minutes or so of extra stuff.

Nah. I have never been interested in alternates, and sessions., Toodle along now, little boot.....

someone has the new official one?

someone has the new official one?

we can haz cheezborger?

we can haz cheezborger?

yez ve can haz da booger ofs za chiezz

Hey, JH, gotchya a well done burger for your upcoming walkabout. It should be in your box now. :)

I like cheeseburgers. Official ones anyway. :)

Dunno. These burgers are pretty raw and large, not processed down in any way.

Gotcha. So no GNP burgers on the grill. Sigh.... :)

well, I prefer a good fireside chat, to go alone with my burgers. A private sorta thing.

I would love to try this cheesburger to compare with the one I ate and passed around a while back, but my wife will kill me if I don't downsize my order. Little space left in my inbox and all. Does it come in 'small'?

I'd love a cheeseburger but am not yet allowed to make orders in a private venue.

Any chance of getting a cheeseburger? Thanks! Dan

I like Cheezeburger, the bigger the better!

i can mash a pretty good sized cheezburger down into a junior cheezburger in a timely manner for those who wish it... just point me toward the ingredients.

also, free apple pie!

I have not seen the ingredients laying around in a way that the public can get at them. Never fear though, the ingredients are in such high demand, I am sure vendors everywhere will be having them shortly. After all, when has demand ever not been met?

It never hurts to say that if you liked the complete edition of First Contact to buy a copy and support GNP. That way if this album sells well the greater the chance that GNP can release a same special edition for Generations and Insurrection in the near future.

In the meantime and to complement the CD booklet, the GNP website provides a digital PDF file of the extended liner notes, with a track-by-track analysis, that are not included in the CD booklet, here:




http://www.gnpcrescendo.com/firstcontact/

Very true. Why would a restaurant keep trying to sell burgers, if they get no or negative feedback. And it is true that if the discount chain next door puts on too much pressure, then the bigger stores may just decide it is not worthwhile to compete at all.

Imagine a world with no cheesy goodness, and just plain processed muck...:/

Wait, we're still talking about actual cheeseburgers, right? I don't know about anyone else, but that's what I'm talking about - an actual meaty cheeseburger. At the very least, a decent quarter pounder with cheese. Maybe a double quarter pounder with cheese. Not kidding, I'm not talking about soundtracks anymore - I want a friggin' cheeseburger!! lol

would you like fries with that?

???? When WAS I talking about soundtracks?

I am, however, now making homemade burgers. I combine x-tra lean ground beef, with ground pork, and ground sweet Italian sausage. Add an egg, some bread crumbs, and chopped red and yellow bell peppers, and chopped onion. Grill patties (duh). Then I chop fresh mushroom, and hand grate a comb0 of Swiss and Mozzarella cheese. Cook off bacon from the butcher. Add potato buns. So, my end product is homemade Swiss mushroom bacon burgers. And waffle fires on the side with a least a coupla wine coolers. Mmmmmm.

Thanks to Sanico for the brochure of that first cheeseburger special.

Mmm cheeseburger! Yes please, Amanda :)

I like yummy cheeseburgers :)
Does anyone have one?^^

Me like cheezburger too please, no mustard though, yuck.

How about a double cheezburger! Please! i'm really hungry!

Would love a large cheeseburger Amanda!

Amanda, when did you become Burger King all of a sudden?

mmm, I'll have one with onions!

I would love a burger if anyone would be so kind as to provide one.... Thanks so much! Dan.

I'm actually in the mood for some KFC now. Chicken sounds good.

Seriously, why the hell are we talking about food in the Star Trek thread? Are we really that poor and hungry these days? Hope not. :)

I had fried chicken the other night, it was pretty good. I go to Church's as opposed to KFC though. They taste about the same, but Church's is cheaper, for more product. I am craving some good chinese now.

How about Japanese? Yaki and Chicken or shrimp!

That burger had bacon and BBQ sauce on it and it was damn tasty.

:D

Ok, now I want a cheeseburger.

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Hey guys, I'm mostly a reader not a poster (maybe a poster child?!?) but I am not seeing links to the music you DVD-ripped. Must they be requested PM-wise? Of course, if they were Megaupload ... (shrug).
BTW, my music-sharing blog is Spock's Record Round-Up -- Spock�s Record Round-Up (http://spocksrecordround-up.blogspot.com/) -- and am slowly posting and re-posting through mediafire.

Thanks from a newbie.
Thanks for the link to your blog. Some interesting bits there. :D

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Yes, something came up on another thread, that reminded me of a story about TREK that I wanted to share with all you good people here. "Industry Spies"!!! Trek has a TON of them, fans out there that will snitch to the studios about any "copyright" infringement situation. They think that they are being loyal to TREK by telling the studio if some other fan even has a COPY of a TREK soundtrack that hasn't been officially released! I have never been caught in the middle of any of these situations, because I don't really deal directly with any "Trekkies" or "Trekkers" or "Trekkettes" at all.
But I did talk with Greg Jein, a model-maker who has done some fantastic model work for the different TREK incarnations, and as a matter of fact, he was one of the people who built the 8 foot Enterprise-D for STTNG! While he was working on one of the films, he got his hands on the molds for the original 6 foot Enterprise from STTMP, and made about 10 copies out of fiberglass, and put them in storage for safe keeping. Several years later, he sold 5 of the ten ships, after he had some of his workers put them together, detail and paint them, and put them on a display stand. He sold them to some Japanese corporate types, for 5,000.00 each! Apparently one of his workers had spread the word that he was doing this, and Greg was told by a friend of his at the studios that the executives at the studios were ordering search warrants for his house, his shop, and several storage units that they knew about. Greg had to rush to get all of his TREK stuff moved to a new storage unit, that he went and got under an assumed name! He left ONE of the Enterprise castings in one of his storage units.
When the studio suits showed up, with the LAPD in tow, they went thru everything with a fine tooth comb, grabbing stuff from 2001, voyage to the bottom of the sea, and many other non-TREK movies and shows. Greg was arrested, and taken to the Hollywood LAPD office, and held for 12 hours of questioning, while the suits and cops went thru all of his storage units. Greg had to hire an attorney, and sue the city to get his stuff returned. Fortunately, the only thing that was kept was the Enterprise castings, and Greg rec'd a letter from the studio, warning him that if he ever sold copyrighted material, he would be sued, and never work on any Paramount production...EVER! All because some fan wanted to impress the studio!

What did he think that the studio was going to do? Give him a private tour of the sound stages? Give him a bunch of money? Let him take whatever he wanted from some secret TREK treasure cave? YEAHRIGHT! No accounting for intelligence.

William

Yes, I agree, similar thing in the Doctor Who (of which I am also a fan of) world. Makes you wonder if these people were dropped on their heads when they were born. More power to you William and the other kind people here.

:D H.T.A.P :D
PCM

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ENTERPRISE TV SERIES uncommon tracks

Digged these up from the internet. Have no source,
because I did not get them through actual browsing but,
well other methods ...


Diane Warren - Enterprise Theme (alternate, instrumental)
Velton Ray Bunch - Aquisition - ?
Velton Ray Bunch - Desert Crossing - Night Attack & Rescued
Velton Ray Bunch - Desert Crossing - Geskana Match Part 2

Enterprise.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/?xx9pjawgfji09x2)

Pass: BOB
Thank you very much for these. I am listening now and enjoying them very much.

:D H.T.A.P. :D

PCM

tHANKYOU

---------- Post added at 11:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:08 PM ----------


"Horizon" suite -- same format and quality as offered on his site then:

Free File Hosting - Online Storage; Upload Mp3, Videos, Music. Backup Files (http://www.peeje.com/files/359055990/horizon_ENTERPRISE.mp3.html)

Thank you very much JB :D

:D H.T.A.P. :D

PCM

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Why, thank you, Sir. I feel honored, indeed! This coming from you does mean a lot to me!

Well, I know too well what you mean, reading your little story with your wife and the Goldsmith score. Just two days ago, my wife and I watched a movie, and as soon as the credits ran, I saw the name "Alexander Siddig", and I said: honey, there's Alexander Siddig in this movie, that's Dr. Julien Bashir from Deep Space Nine! My wife looked at me and said: [insert the German equivalent of "get a life"]! Needless to say, I also let her know what composer she's hearing in any movie, at least as long as I'm able to identify him, like Goldsmith, Williams, Herrmann, Rozsa and a few others I love!

Now, I have to leave, to "get a live" - at least for a short while!

Best regards,
Soundtrekker

LOL, this happens to me at work. We will be listening to one of those internet soundtrack stations and I'll be able to name so many tracks, and I get the "Get a Life" yelled at me. I then usually retort with "I have two kids and don't get out anymore, what's your excuse."

:D H.T.A.P. :D

PCM

Hey guys and gals

Has anyone seen this one around?
"30 Years - Star Trek - A Tribute" 1996 BMG [74321 39180 2]?
i would like to check it out if anyone could help. Thanks!

Well, gang, here is something very special, and VERY rare! This is a link to the Star Trek Spaceflight Cronology:

SFCFASA.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/?jcwrkflrc9jwgiy)

It's in PDF format, and it is in full color, with illustrations by Rick Sternbach! I have a copy, and have NEVER seen it online anywhere, so hold it close to your chest! Hehehehehe

Mr. Scotts guide to the Enterprise:
http://www.mediafire.com/?0rj4he8x6mu7mxe

Enjoy, William

Thanks for the Mr. Scott's guide William...used to look at that all the time...I would love a burger-medium cooked please and hold the cheese

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Well, gang, here is something very special, and VERY rare! This is a link to the Star Trek Spaceflight Cronology:

SFCFASA.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/?jcwrkflrc9jwgiy)

It's in PDF format, and it is in full color, with illustrations by Rick Sternbach! I have a copy, and have NEVER seen it online anywhere, so hold it close to your chest! Hehehehehe

Mr. Scotts guide to the Enterprise:
Scottys.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/?0rj4he8x6mu7mxe)

Enjoy, William

Thank you very much for these. I shall enjoy reading them.

:D H.T.A.P;. :D

PCM

H.T.A.P.?????
Human Trafficking Awareness Partnerships???
Hicks Trans American Partners????
healthCare Transparency Accreditation Program????
hypertension Arteriala Pulmona????


Hehehehehhehehe:)

William

Me also want cheezburger ;)

H.T.A.P.?????
Human Trafficking Awareness Partnerships???
Hicks Trans American Partners????
healthCare Transparency Accreditation Program????
hypertension Arteriala Pulmona????


Hehehehehhehehe:)

William

Ah, well as I've said previously, I'm a bit of a Doctor Who fan as well, yes I know, Doctor Who fans don't usually like Star Trek, however I am one of those rare fans that like both. However, I digress, "H.T.A.P.", When I was but a child and getting my Doctor Who Weekly comic there was always a letter from the Doctor in it, and he always signed off Happy Times And Places. So no deep meaningful meanings....can you have a meaningful meaning? Probably not :D

But, as always

:D H.T.A.P. :D

PCM

Thanks William!!!

H.T.A.P.

Hepititus A Person

Thank You William...I have always loved my guide to the Enterprise ;)

I'll take a cheeseburger with a Scotch chaser...


Scott

i LIKE THAT GUIDE WELL ENOUGH. bUT TO ME, NOT ENOUGH ACTUAL PHOTOS OF THE MINIATURE AND SETS. wHAT THEY DO HAVE IS POOR AND BLACK AND WHITE. iT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE THE LINE DRAWINGS BLATANTLY CONTRADICT ....err, hang on...of, they don't match what is seen on screen. Not the bridge, counsels, equipment, uniforms. All of it is wrong to some degree, and it cheeses me, because we know the uniforms still exist. We KNOW they took extensive pics of the fittings for all the movies. It is a nice little manual, but it could have been so much MORE...

thing about the movie era though... is it was wide open. instead of having whole seasons of stuff contradicting everything being put out, you had a movie every other year. in that context i was always really jazzed by stuff like scotty's guide and the fasa stuff. there was nothing saying that any of that wasn't happening somewhere.

Oh well events sure. But I am a tech Trekette, so when they have graphics for the uniforms, and then a pic, even grainy B/W, that CLEARLY show that that drawing in no way resembles the actual costume...stuff like that bugs me. I tool to drawing my own stuff..:/

Hi,

I assume, nobody has bought the new "First Contact" CD, right? ;)

Shran

wrong

You assume, incorrectly, that whomever gets it will just pop it up for everyone. You should not assume that, but sooner or later ir is bound to show.

You assume, incorrectly, that whomever gets it will just pop it up for everyone. You should not assume that, but sooner or later ir is bound to show.

Thank you. Well, I just have asked, if someone has bought the soundtrack ;)

Shran O:)

Here's some more FASA stuff:

https://hotfile.com/dl/153185019/ec03282/STFASA.rar.html


and here is some ASDB items:

https://hotfile.com/dl/153185625/c4e2466/ASDB.rar.html

Enjoy, more to come.

William

H.T.A.P.

TJ Hooker Action Police and yes i know it doesn't fit the letters but thats due to i ain't got no cheeseburger yet!

Here's some misc TREK stuff, some in TXT format as well:

Franchise:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153187681/fdda6bc/ST_Franchise.rar.html
Decipher:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153188027/14a4ed0/STdecipher.rar.html
Dixon:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153188515/b395c3c/STdixon.rar.html
Fanon:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153188577/c33b27c/STFanon.rar.html


Enjoy, more to come.

William

I assume, nobody has bought the new "First Contact" CD, right? ;)

Well, I for one did purchase it (From Amazon), and have been waiting for it to arrive. But now I see on GNP's site they state they won't ship any to Amazon fulfillment until Amazon raises their prices! (b@sta@rds!) So I have no problem grabbing a copy online until my order ships.


GNP Crescendo Records (http://store.gnpcrescendo.com/new/)

*Please note that although Amazon has the new First Contact listed at $15.83 they have not been shipped any product and will not be able to fulfil your order. I am trying to get them to set the price so they do not undercut everybody else, and their shipment is on hold until then.

Here's some stuff I KNOW that you will love:

Guenthersofia:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153189348/83c8dd5/STGuenthersofia.rar.html
Jackills:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153190899/75972a4/STJackills.rar.html
Jaynz:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153191361/6512588/STJaynz.rar.html
Johnson:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153192149/0e4fe05/STJohnson.rar.html
Just:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153192370/52e651c/STJust.rar.html


Enjoy,

William

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Well, I for one did purchase it (From Amazon), and have been waiting for it to arrive. But now I see on GNP's site they state they won't ship any to Amazon fulfillment until Amazon raises their prices! (b@sta@rds!) So I have no problem grabbing a copy online until my order ships.

GNP Crescendo Records

*Please note that although Amazon has the new First Contact listed at $15.83 they have not been shipped any product and will not be able to fulfil your order. I am trying to get them to set the price so they do not undercut everybody else, and their shipment is on hold until then.

That sounds like something Neil Norman would do, what a JACKASS!

William

Here's some misc TREK stuff, some in TXT format as well:


Thank you!!! Very cool stuff.

....
And YES, Neil Norman is currently sitting on 11 episodes of unreleased music from TOS. He was given the master tapes from Greg Jein, and NOBODY has been allowed to hear them. I got this from Mark Banning, who worked for Neil for about 12 years before moving onto bigger and better. Neil is not happy that the sales on the last couple of CDs has been bad, but (of course) a couple of these were not completely TOS music, were they? Neil is kind of holding onto those tapes, like he doesn't want anyone else to even know that he has them. Too bad, if I had known that Greg Jein had them 15-20 years ago, I would have made him an offer he couldn't refuse (NOT in the Godfather way, either, hehehehe)

William

Well, if that's true (and I have no reason to doubt it, this coming from you!), than there is still hope... I think. OTOH, if one takes into account the way you describe Neil's character and his modus operandi so far, one has to wonder if anything will happen soon. I'm thinking... he has the original source material, which he can release only if Paramount/CBS gives its okay, right? He wants to make money with it, right? The trekkies are demanding it and are willing to pay for it, and he knows that, right? So what's the deal here, Neil? Release that stuff already!!!

Another fact I'm thinking about: The only trek composer still living right now is Gerald Fried, who would be glad to see his unreleased work made available, I presume (Catspaw, Friday's Child, Paradise Syndrome). Now, I remember some post from you, William, saying that the late Fred Steiner woulnd't let Neil Norman release his work, after which he himself made those two volumes of newly recorded trek music in the 80ies. So is this obstacle after Steiner's death (may he rest in peace!) now out of the way, or has his estate anything to say about it? What's your opinion in that matter (as an insider)?

Here's some more FASA stuff:

https://hotfile.com/dl/153185019/ec03282/STFASA.rar.html


and here is some ASDB items:

https://hotfile.com/dl/153185625/c4e2466/ASDB.rar.html

Enjoy, more to come.

William

Thank you again :)

:DH.T.A.P.:D
PCM

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Here's some misc TREK stuff, some in TXT format as well:

Franchise:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153187681/fdda6bc/ST_Franchise.rar.html
Decipher:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153188027/14a4ed0/STdecipher.rar.html
Dixon:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153188515/b395c3c/STdixon.rar.html
Fanon:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153188577/c33b27c/STFanon.rar.html


Enjoy, more to come.

William

Oooooh, what are these. I'm intrigued. Ta very much.

:DH.T.A.P.:D

PCM

Well, if that's true (and I have no reason to doubt it, this coming from you!), than there is still hope... I think. OTOH, if one takes into account the way you describe Neil's character and his modus operandi so far, one has to wonder if anything will happen soon. I'm thinking... he has the original source material, which he can release only if Paramount/CBS gives its okay, right? He wants to make money with it, right? The trekkies are demanding it and are willing to pay for it, and he knows that, right? So what's the deal here, Neil? Release that stuff already!!!

Another fact I'm thinking about: The only trek composer still living right now is Gerald Fried, who would be glad to see his unreleased work made available, I presume (Catspaw, Friday's Child, Paradise Syndrome). Now, I remember some post from you, William, saying that the late Fred Steiner woulnd't let Neil Norman release his work, after which he himself made those two volumes of newly recorded trek music in the 80ies. So is this obstacle after Steiner's death (may he rest in peace!) now out of the way, or has his estate anything to say about it? What's your opinion in that matter (as an insider)?

You have brought up a couple of really valid points here, my friend. What Neil has to consider to release any new TOS stuff, is to grease as many palms over at CBS as possible before he can even think about starting up the production on the CDs, and whatever. He is VERY tightfisted on his money, but he also has to remember that his proceeds from just the SFX cds bought him a whole new house in Malibu, and allowed him to finally move out of his daddy's house! And that's just ONE release (of over 40,000 units, I might add). Having any obstacle removed would not concern Neil in any manner, as he knows that money is the real obstacle removal tool, and he knows how to use that very well. He is just thinking about the end game, how much money can he recover, compared with how much he has to lay out. And therein lays the rub, as the Bard would say! You have to realize that he's been sitting on these tapes, since he got them in his hot little hands over 22 years ago! I don't know if it's a drug or drink problem that affecting his judgements, or maybe a girlfriend (or boyfriend) that's holding him back. Don't know at all. I do know that if he did release those discs, THEY WOULD SELL!

As "Sean" would say, Neil "Think it over"

William

You have brought up a couple of really valid points here, my friend. What Neil has to consider to release any new TOS stuff, is to grease as many palms over at CBS as possible before he can even think about starting up the production on the CDs, and whatever. He is VERY tightfisted on his money, but he also has to remember that his proceeds from just the SFX cds bought him a whole new house in Malibu, and allowed him to finally move out of his daddy's house! And that's just ONE release (of over 40,000 units, I might add). Having any obstacle removed would not concern Neil in any manner, as he knows that money is the real obstacle removal tool, and he knows how to use that very well. He is just thinking about the end game, how much money can he recover, compared with how much he has to lay out. And therein lays the rub, as the Bard would say! You have to realize that he's been sitting on these tapes, since he got them in his hot little hands over 22 years ago! I don't know if it's a drug or drink problem that affecting his judgements, or maybe a girlfriend (or boyfriend) that's holding him back. Don't know at all. I do know that if he did release those discs, THEY WOULD SELL!

As "Sean" would say, Neil "Think it over"

William

This Neil chap sounds like the Star Trek equivalent of Ian Levine in the Doctor Who world. He has a lot of rare Doctor Who stuff, and he keeps it all to himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he has some of the 16mm film of the missing episodes. Sigh! There appear to be some very selfish people about.

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PCM

You have brought up a couple of really valid points here, my friend. What Neil has to consider to release any new TOS stuff, is to grease as many palms over at CBS as possible before he can even think about starting up the production on the CDs, and whatever. He is VERY tightfisted on his money, but he also has to remember that his proceeds from just the SFX cds bought him a whole new house in Malibu, and allowed him to finally move out of his daddy's house! And that's just ONE release (of over 40,000 units, I might add). Having any obstacle removed would not concern Neil in any manner, as he knows that money is the real obstacle removal tool, and he knows how to use that very well. He is just thinking about the end game, how much money can he recover, compared with how much he has to lay out. And therein lays the rub, as the Bard would say! You have to realize that he's been sitting on these tapes, since he got them in his hot little hands over 22 years ago! I don't know if it's a drug or drink problem that affecting his judgements, or maybe a girlfriend (or boyfriend) that's holding him back. Don't know at all. I do know that if he did release those discs, THEY WOULD SELL!

As "Sean" would say, Neil "Think it over"

William

Hey William.

That whole situation seems very intriguing. You obviously know a lot about this situation, and the music industry in particular, but what I don't understand is why Neil would be the only person who has the original TOS music. Is it your understanding that Paramount/CBS (or whomever it is who owns the rights to Star Trek anymore) doesn't actually have copies of the music themselves anymore? Is the reason why Neil would have to "grease palms at CBS" because he has the music master tapes but doesn't actually have the rights to sell/publish them? and that he'd have to pay so much to publish them that he wouldn't make any money in the end?

Although I would definitely be one of the first to purchase any new original TOS soundtrack releases, I guess I can somewhat understand the businessman who doesn't want to lose money selling something if they genuinely don't think it will generate a profit. I have no idea how the economy of music publishing works, but like you, I would fully expect there would be enough demand to at least warrant a limited release like all the expanded trek-movie soundtracks.

Also, if Neil/GNP has a license to publish them but doesn't, wouldn't that license expire at some point? And once it expires, then someone else could get the license to publish the scores? But, if Neil has the master tapes without permission or a license, couldn't Paramount/CBS demand to have them returned (assuming they know he has them)? And if they don't know that he has the tapes, would that be because Greg Jein obtained them illegitimately? (and yet he seems like the kind of guy who'd have kept a copy at the very least for himself)

I guess I just don't understand and am curious if there's any further explanation you can share.

BTW: On a somewhat related note, I once had a conversation with Jeff Bond not long after he published his "Music of Star Trek". I was interested in the music cue sheets in his book, and he claimed that he had the originals from every TOS episode, as well as much of the original sheet music. I asked if he had any further plans to publish them, but he said no, he was sitting on them and "keeping them safe." Seemed odd to me as well. And I wondered why anyone would sit on something like that which might be of interest to fandom and music enthusiasts.

Then again, I can recall hoping and waiting for many years in the 70s and 80s for Paramount to release even a single original TOS soundtrack. It took a long time, but eventually GNP Crescendo came through, and for the next few years they released a fairly steady stream of TOS and Trek-movie soundtracks, but then they just stopped in the mid-90s. I guess I figured it was because there were no more original soundtracks left to publish, but to hear that they're just sitting on them really makes me annoyed. It's a terrible affront to all Star Trek fans and soundtrack enthusiasts, and I wish there was something we could do about it.

Is there?

Well, I wish there was something that anyone could do about it. But there really isn't, when dealing with the corporate "Classical mess", as Bruce Lee called it! Or, better yet, dealing with the "Suits". The studio had four single sources of sound for each TOS episode. Three of which were the music, the vocals, and the SFX. These were combined into a "2-track" master, wherein the music was on the left side channel, or track one, and the vocals and SFX were on track two, on the right side. This was the ONLY master tape that was kept by the studios! This was what Neil had access to for some of the episodes before he got the tapes from Greg Jein. The problem with having the two-track masters is that over time, the tracks start to degrade, and tend to bleed into each other, so while you have clean music, sometimes you get some vocal bleed into that, or even some faint SFX bleed. I've heard them about 25 years ago, and the bleed was there! Now, I'm sure that some recording genius could manage to adjust the playback head to keep the music clear and clean, while sidestepping the bleed, but that is alot of work. Perhaps they have already re-recorded the 2 track masters for the blue-ray releases, I don't know.

As for Neil, his last three TREK releases had lost money, or so he says. This is why he has not released any more. The releases where he had music from the different series, one from TOS, STTNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise were the ones that bombed, again, according to Neil. And that was where he stopped. If he would release two or three TOS episode music per disc, I know that he would find that they would sell greatly. What you may want to do is get a letter writing blog started, to hammer GNP records to getting them out there. You could point out how great the STTNG Ron Jones 14 CD set sold out quickly, or the other recent releases.

As far as ownership of the actual tapes is concerned, gulf/western Paramount had thrown the master music, vocals and SFX tapes IN THE TRASH, back in the 70's. One fan had grabbed one set of tapes, which had the very LAST TOS episode vocals on it, and this became the STAR TREK BLOOPERS record that Harry and his sons sold at the conventions in the 70's and 80's. I believe there is a link to that recording on an earlier page here! But the studio doesn't care about those classical pieces of music, or anything! Too bad, because they could have a bunch of great alternate takes, since I know that Majel had copies of ALL the outtakes, in film form, which she was just cutting up and selling as film clips. But these didn't have any sound. All the master vocal tracks, as far as I know, were either recorded over, or thrown away. But somewhere, SOMEWHERE, in the Paramount archives, are all of the original film negs, with ALL of the actual footage that was shot back then. They preserve the negs, but throw away the vocals and music. Just does not make any sense!

William

Interesting post, William. Thank you for your insight. A petition might be the way to go for GNP, but I certainly wouldn't mention sales of the Ron Jones Box Set. It's not sold out and Lukas Kendall at FSM has said that sales have been pretty poor on that title. Ditto for the La la land TNG set. Though this might support the notion that fans aren't interested in scores form the Berman-Era Treks and that Neil might be able to make some money off of the sales of TOS only material. GNP seems to be doing well with its First Contact re-release which is encouraging though....

Dan

STAR TREK SCRIPTS!!! go to this link:

Index of /Star_Trek (http://leethomson.myzen.co.uk/Star_Trek/)

You can find ALL of the STTNG and DS9 scripts, in various formats, and several of the others. If anyone knows of a site that has all of the TOS scripts in PDF or some other format, since Majel was selling all of them previously, perhaps they can be found somewhere "out there"

Enjoy, william

You know what the most annoying thing is? I bet you, I just bet you, studios now post guards at garbage bins to make sure people don't rescue film/music history. Or pay to have it immediately driven to the dump, where you're not allowed in.


The same thing happened to Maurice Jarre. The studio wanted to make room, so they threw away a bunch of things, and one of those masters they tossed out was the original score to "Lawrence of Arabia" -- a fact they only discovered when they were, years ago, doing a special DVD release and realized their error.

They send all the owners notes telling them to come pick it up, but Jarre got his too late and it went to the dump. That is, I can only HOPE, unless some smart guy rescued the tapes and is still today in posession of them but doesn't realize what he has or how important it is that he has them.

What is wrong with these studios. It's not just limited to the US. The BBC juncked loads of their tv programs. Do you know that one episode of the Space Pirates video tape (that's a Doctor Who episode from the late 60's) was wiped before it was even transmitted. They had to use on of the 16mm telecine transfers (which they had done to sell to another country). It's just plain crazy. The BBC are lucky that some fans made audio recordings of the shows on reel to reel tape recorders as they managed to find some 16mm telecine from an arabic country which was dubbed in Arabic. If it wasn't for the fans they wouldn't have been able to use those episodes as their cash cow.

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PCM

And even when the studio does have the material, in this instance, master tapes, they stiull manage to screw things up because of some legal mumbo jumbo or logic.

I won't name the label or score, but case-in-point:

The label released a somewhat requested score. Yay, right? They released it in mono. So, what's the big deal, right? The composer donated a bunch of his master tapes to a university, as happens from time-to-time, and among the donated tapes, STEREO masters for the aforementioned, but un-named, score. The label head said they were not permitted to use them.

A score people want, but not popular enough to get a second shot later, denied stereo masters and forced to use mono.

And even when the studio does have the material, in this instance, master tapes, they stiull manage to screw things up because of some legal mumbo jumbo or logic.

I won't name the label or score, but case-in-point:

The label released a somewhat requested score. Yay, right? They released it in mono. So, what's the big deal, right? The composer donated a bunch of his master tapes to a university, as happens from time-to-time, and among the donated tapes, STEREO masters for the aforementioned, but un-named, score. The label head said they were not permitted to use them.

A score people want, but not popular enough to get a second shot later, denied stereo masters and forced to use mono.

Figures, it defies belief. Not an ounce of common sense. :(

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PCM

No, the studios, all of them as far as I know, LOCK the trash dumpsters up. If you want to throw ANYTHING in the trash, you have to get security to open it up for you. AND, the studios do not consider the items to be "trash" until the dump truck as left the studio lot!
I do know for a fact that the studios are still erasing tapes, and are still "misplacing" master tapes! AND, if that were not enough, there are MASSIVE destructive situations going on, even today, that boggle the mind. 3 years ago, just before CBS took over Paramount, Viacom had ordered the total destruction of EVERY Trek uniform left in wardrobe! All the STTNG, DS9, Voyager, movie and Enterprise uniforms that were not major pieces, (that were in storage elsewhere), were ripped apart with razors, and then had a caustic chemical poured onto them, and then burned! (as if one of the three wouldn't be enough!) A good friend's wife works in Paramount's wardrobe department, and had worked on all TREK shows as a wardrobe mistress (a title that I constantly make fun of, calling her "Mistress", like a S&M mistress, hehehehe).
Sets and props (anything that is not part of a costume) were destroyed to make room for future projects, without consideration of their historical importance, not only from TREK, but many old, classical productions, dating back 30-50 years! As I say, it really boggles the mind!

William

It would have been better if they simply sold all of those things. They would get the money and fans would get a part of beloved film/series. It would be a win-win situation. What they do is sick.

Thanks William (and everyone else) for the great recent links!

Does anyone have the (fan-produced I think) TNG 24th Century Technical Manual Vol 1?

No matter how much it hurts to read that but after all we should not forget that all that stuff is property of the studios. For example the uniforms William talked about. Of course for a fan it is hard to see that happen (to read that nearly made me cry) but when i rip my Armani coat apart or crash my 1956 Ferrari it is still my cup of tea.
PS: That was just an example! I own neither of those things ;)

No matter how much it hurts to read that but after all we should not forget that all that stuff is property of the studios. For example the uniforms William talked about. Of course for a fan it is hard to see that happen (to read that nearly made me cry) but when i rip my Armani coat apart or crash my 1956 Ferrari it is still my cup of tea.
PS: That was just an example! I own neither of those things ;)

I do own a cup of tea...

No matter how much it hurts to read that but after all we should not forget that all that stuff is property of the studios. For example the uniforms William talked about. Of course for a fan it is hard to see that happen (to read that nearly made me cry) but when i rip my Armani coat apart or crash my 1956 Ferrari it is still my cup of tea.
PS: That was just an example! I own neither of those things ;)

Sure. And if i where to use my Fagnola to fire the grill, that would be my business too! Seriously? There's something like cultural property and that has a tag attached to it: Humility.

The two main reasons all these things (sets, sound , music and costumes) are destroyed comes down to two things 1: money (storage) and 2: you have studio heads that have no idea what these pieces of film or TV history mean to us the fans. All they see is dollar signs, they don't care about us fans, unless they can make more money off of what they have already paid out for. I have a cassette (copy of a copy) of the sound effects from STTOS that William talked about, it came from one of the dumpsters of Paramount (I got it back in the late 70's) and before I know it, it had come out on a record! Paramount could care less...the studios mind set was Star Trek was dead, canceled! until the individuals started making money!! then Paramount setup and took notice and of course the studio wanted there cut...screw Roddenberry and all the other artists...they already got paid. For the last several years most of the studios have been approached by some of the film schools to look in their vaults and found negatives of so many wonderful films literally rotting away! and found the master tapes of the scores, sound effects and all the other things that go into a film or TV shows buried in box's...some of those films have been preserved and restored, while others are to far gone and we will never see again. The one person that changed all that was George Lucus, George kept the rights to merchandise all the items from his films (at first Fox owned Star Wars, it was there -Fox- money that paid for Star Wars, later George bought Star Wars back from Fox and has owned all of them ever since) and that is how George became a billionaire and paid for all his other movies himself. After Star Wars came out and made millions and billions of dollars, Paramount looked around at what they had and Star Trek stood out and off it went and of course Paramount has made billions off of a old TV show that only lasted 2 and half years and changed our out look of the whole planet and humanity. In the end it all comes down to money.

Scott

The two main reasons all these things (sets, sound , music and costumes) are destroyed comes down to two things 1: money (storage) and 2: you have studio heads that have no idea what these pieces of film or TV history mean to us the fans. All they see is dollar signs, they don't care about us fans, unless they can make more money off of what they have already paid out for. I have a cassette (copy of a copy) of the sound effects from STTOS that William talked about, it came from one of the dumpsters of Paramount (I got it back in the late 70's) and before I know it, it had come out on a record! Paramount could care less...the studios mind set was Star Trek was dead, canceled! until the individuals started making money!! then Paramount setup and took notice and of course the studio wanted there cut...screw Roddenberry and all the other artists...they already got paid. For the last several years most of the studios have been approached by some of the film schools to look in their vaults and found negatives of so many wonderful films literally rotting away! and found the master tapes of the scores, sound effects and all the other things that go into a film or TV shows buried in box's...some of those films have been preserved and restored, while others are to far gone and we will never see again. The one person that changed all that was George Lucus, George kept the rights to merchandise all the items from his films (at first Fox owned Star Wars, it was there -Fox- money that paid for Star Wars, later George bought Star Wars back from Fox and has owned all of them ever since) and that is how George became a billionaire and paid for all his other movies himself. After Star Wars came out and made millions and billions of dollars, Paramount looked around at what they had and Star Trek stood out and off it went and of course Paramount has made billions off of a old TV show that only lasted 2 and half years and changed our out look of the whole planet and humanity. In the end it all comes down to money.

Scott

Isn't that just the truth. But I suppose they are a business, and business is there to take the �/$'s. They do not care about the fans any further than their fans wallets. C'est la vie

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PCM

Isn't that just the truth. But I suppose they are a business, and business is there to take the �/$'s. They do not care about the fans any further than their fans wallets. C'est la vie

:DH.T.A.P.:D

PCM

Thats all it is...A business and all it will ever be. It's economics 101 you have to spend money to make money, every studio has to answer to a board of Directors and share holders, they all want money. When the studios destroy everything from a film or TV show they are trying to cut costs to show a profit and to make room for new projects. It's only later that they realize that someone would pay good money to buy all this junk (thats what the studio's considers what it is) but then its to late...unless you happen to know what this piece of art is and walk it out the gate. Today it's different, the people that create these great films and TV shows know how much the merchandising rights are worth to us fans and some go to great lengths to make sure they are for sale to the general public...just look at what Universal did with BSG! they auctioned off just about every prop and made a small fortune from it. I'll be 55 in a few months and I stopped trying to understand a studio-head years ago...all they want is to make money so they can keep there jobs.

Scott

Thanks William (and everyone else) for the great recent links!

Does anyone have the (fan-produced I think) TNG 24th Century Technical Manual Vol 1?

Yes, I have those, and will continue to post them this weekend! That, and MUCH more! :)

To Scotty, (and others) Those sets, props and costumes are ART, they belong in a museum, or somewhere to be protected. in the late 70's, I wanted to start a company that would preserve those items, get a huge building from the city, get a non-profit license from Los Angeles, and approach the studios to DONATE the items. Imagine walking thru the ACTUAL "Happy Days" sets! Or perhaps seeing the costumes that were worn in "Grease"? Not just TREK, but many other classic films and TV shows. Being able to view copies of the actual sheet music from "Gone with the wind"! I thought that there would be a great desire for this, but could not get anyone to even see this MY way. If I could have approached Steven Spielberg, and talked with him, he may have helped, or got me in touch with someone who would help me out, but that was just a dream!

William

Yes, I have those, and will continue to post them this weekend! That, and MUCH more! :)

To Scotty, (and others) Those sets, props and costumes are ART, they belong in a museum, or somewhere to be protected. in the late 70's, I wanted to start a company that would preserve those items, get a huge building from the city, get a non-profit license from Los Angeles, and approach the studios to DONATE the items. Imagine walking thru the ACTUAL "Happy Days" sets! Or perhaps seeing the costumes that were worn in "Grease"? Not just TREK, but many other classic films and TV shows. Being able to view copies of the actual sheet music from "Gone with the wind"! I thought that there would be a great desire for this, but could not get anyone to even see this MY way. If I could have approached Steven Spielberg, and talked with him, he may have helped, or got me in touch with someone who would help me out, but that was just a dream!

William

That's a good idea, but I foresee legal mumbo jumbo and wary studios making it near impossible/to impossible. And even if they agree, then they'll want something like monthly rental fees for their property, even though they were going to trash it.

We're probably better off bribing the city dump gate man.



These studios have dumped tons of sheet music, master tapes. They let K.I.T.T. replicas rot out back. Sets from one of the highest grossing films of all time time, even during the time when they knew better, sets of "Titanic" rotting in a feild -- incluyding the big ship replica.

Can you imagine all the fans of that film that would want to tour the sets, stand on the bow, etc.

Yeah, holding Kate's boobs from behind... but it's all just a dream.

Yes, I have those, and will continue to post them this weekend! That, and MUCH more! :)

To Scotty, (and others) Those sets, props and costumes are ART, they belong in a museum, or somewhere to be protected. in the late 70's, I wanted to start a company that would preserve those items, get a huge building from the city, get a non-profit license from Los Angeles, and approach the studios to DONATE the items. Imagine walking thru the ACTUAL "Happy Days" sets! Or perhaps seeing the costumes that were worn in "Grease"? Not just TREK, but many other classic films and TV shows. Being able to view copies of the actual sheet music from "Gone with the wind"! I thought that there would be a great desire for this, but could not get anyone to even see this MY way. If I could have approached Steven Spielberg, and talked with him, he may have helped, or got me in touch with someone who would help me out, but that was just a dream!

William

I agree with you 100 percent William...Debbie Reynolds had the same idea, so when MGM went b/k (Bankrupt) and started to auction off there property's (furniture, costumes, and everything else from the Grand Old Days of MGM) Mrs. Reynolds went and bought all she could afford and was going to open her own museum to the general public! well this was several years ago and she has run out of time (age) and the millions she would need...

"Todd Fisher, Reynolds' son, announced that his mother was "heartbroken" to have to auction off her collection. It was valued at $10.79 million in the bankruptcy filing. The Vancouver Sun reported that Profiles in History has been given the responsibility of conducting a series of auctions beginning in June and continuing into December 2011. Among the "more than 3500 costumes, 20,000 photographs, and thousands of movie posters, costume sketches, and props" to be sold are Charlie Chaplin's bowler hat and Marilyn Monroe's white "subway dress", whose skirt is lifted up by the breeze from a passing subway train in the film The Seven Year Itch (1955). On June 18, 2011, the subway dress was sold for $4.6 million dollars, far in excess of pre-auction estimates of $1-2 million. Another Monroe dress, which she wore in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, fetched $1.2 million, four times the upper pre-sale expectation." this is from June 2009.

As I'm sure most of you know Cecil B. DeMille after filming The Ten Commandments (1923 version) had the Egyptian city set buried where it was built....it's still there under the sand in Guadalupe, Calif., a small city 150 miles north of Los Angeles.

It is a very nice dream my friend and one of which I would have loved to help you build!! but ales (for me anyway) the years have slipped by and there is no longer more days ahead then there once was.

Scott

Well, that's the whole thing behind my idea. With a non-profit license, I could get all the sets, costumes and props donated, and then the studios would be able to charge it off on their taxes, as write-offs to charity! They could charge off whatever they invested in the creation of that set or costume! Like the 40,000.00 that Paramount claimed was spent on Kirk's costume from STTMP!!! The studio would recoup those fees from their taxes, and I would get a nice display piece! Logical, hey?

William

Well, that's the whole thing behind my idea. With a non-profit license, I could get all the sets, costumes and props donated, and then the studios would be able to charge it off on their taxes, as write-offs to charity! They could charge off whatever they invested in the creation of that set or costume! Like the 40,000.00 that Paramount claimed was spent on Kirk's costume from STTMP!!! The studio would recoup those fees from their taxes, and I would get a nice display piece! Logical, hey?


William

Very Logical!! and well thought out, I don't see any reason the studio's would turn you down! plus you would make a little profit for paid admission and photos of customers standing next to or on the set piece. $40,000!! holy crap...I feel sorry for there accountants trying to write that off...I could see $40,000 for all the costume's but not that much just for one. I wonder what they paid for the costume's for Star Trek II? must have been over a hundred thousand dollars!! in the end, Paramount made their money back and then some...and still are.

I would give my right testicle to stand just once on the bridge of the Enterprise A,B,C,D or E but that well never happen, unless I build it myself....such is life.

Scott

I would give my right testicle to stand just once on the bridge of the Enterprise A,B,C,D or E but that well never happen, unless I build it myself....such is life.

Scott

Well, Scotty57, I'm really surprised! I thought your only love would be the Enterprise 1701... no bloody A, B, C or D... or do you have had too much Saurian brandy today?

Well, the studios inflate the costs of preproduction, by adding the cost of research and development for the script, the sets, the costumes, everything. That's the ONLY way they could claim 40,000.00 for one outfit, which happened to be Kirk's "Admiral" outfit, the first one he was wearing in the movie. If you took the actual cost of making the blasted thing, it wouldn't be more than 2-3,000.00 tops!

I just wish the IRS guys would say to the studio attornies and accountants "Disallowed!!" and watch their faces fall into their laps! That would be a hoot!

William

Well, the studios inflate the costs of preproduction, by adding the cost of research and development for the script, the sets, the costumes, everything. That's the ONLY way they could claim 40,000.00 for one outfit, which happened to be Kirk's "Admiral" outfit, the first one he was wearing in the movie. If you took the actual cost of making the blasted thing, it wouldn't be more than 2-3,000.00 tops!

I just wish the IRS guys would say to the studio attornies and accountants "Disallowed!!" and watch their faces fall into their laps! That would be a hoot!

William

Would it even have cost that much? I would have thought more in the hundreds than in the thousands. Sigh! problem is, if people are prepared to pay those stupid amounts the companies will sell them for that.

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PCM

Oh, BTW, I do actually have a copy of the Star Trek Spaceflight Cronology, personally signed by Rick Sternbach! I caught him at one of the conventions, and just happened to have the copy with me, shoved it under his nose and pleaded with him for an autograph, which he was REALLY put out to do! Seems that he later was CHARGING people for his autograph, what a wanker! :)
Anyway, I was just wondering what something like that should go for on Ebay. I checked several times over there, but nobody has had a copy of this in over 30 years, so no way of knowing what it would be worth.

Let me know, Thanks,

William

Well, Scotty57, I'm really surprised! I thought your only love would be the Enterprise 1701... no bloody A, B, C or D... or do you have had too much Saurian brandy today?

Aye laddy, the Enterprise 1701 is the only one! I was just wishing...Synthetic saurian brandy, synthetic soundtrekker...scotch is the only civilized drink laddy :)

Scott

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Oh, BTW, I do actually have a copy of the Star Trek Spaceflight Cronology, personally signed by Rick Sternbach! I caught him at one of the conventions, and just happened to have the copy with me, shoved it under his nose and pleaded with him for an autograph, which he was REALLY put out to do! Seems that he later was CHARGING people for his autograph, what a wanker! :)
Anyway, I was just wondering what something like that should go for on Ebay. I checked several times over there, but nobody has had a copy of this in over 30 years, so no way of knowing what it would be worth.

Let me know, Thanks,

William

This is what I found on signed books William...

"How Much Does an Author�s Signature Increase the Value?

There�s no rule. If a book is signed by the author, it may be worth more than an unsigned copy. The difference could be large, moderate, or negligible, depending upon the book in question.

Again, supply & demand comes into play. If the author is very popular, but signatures are scarce, the signature will be in demand. Factors to consider are whether the author is living or dead (and thus not signing any more books!), if the author signed many books or few, and of course the desirability & collectibility of the book in question.

Books signed by heavily-collected authors are much-desired. For example, every one of the thousands of collectors of Beat Generation literature would love to have a signed book by Jack Kerouac -one of the most influential & highly regarded writers of the 20th century � in their collection. Consequently, such books are in high demand and hard to find (Kerouac wasn�t a very prolific signer of his books anyway), and they fetch grand prices.

For modern novels with authors still living, a signature will add somewhat to the price � perhaps ten to twenty-five percent. If the signature is very scarce, it may be worth more. The amount will vary depending upon the particular book & author and how easy that signed book is to find.

However, the cookbook your Aunt Jane wrote, self-published, and signed is worth little, if anything, more than an unsigned copy. That�s because Aunt Jane�s signature, and her cookbook, are likely not objects of desire for book collectors."

I know the book you described unsigned is going for $75.00 on Amazon, so you can take it from there and name your own price.

Hope this helps...Scott

Thanks, Scotty! That is interesting indeed. Possibly get more money if I had ALL the authors to sign it, instead of just Sternbach, and I know that if the author was no longer around, it would be worth a TON more, but I have seen Marilyn Monroe signed pictures going for only 25.00! But they also say that unless you had actually been present when the item was signed, you just won't know if the signature is real or fake. So, "Buyer beware" rules apply. I should just throw it up on Ebay without mentioning Sternbach's signature, and see what I can get. Apparently really doesn't mean much one way or the other, since Sternbach is a small fish in the big pond, really.

Thanks again, Scotty.

William

Ill will add my two cents here. It will be worth exactly what someone will pay for. it. I had some rare comics I wanted to sell, and it is the same. Try to buy a "rare" or signed item, you will pay an arm and a leg. But try to sell the same item, and you will get far less, usually. :?

agreed. never expect to 'flip' a signed item and get anything for it. that's why i don't bother unless i can get stuff signed to me by name. i'm not expecting to turn around and make a buck. i want something that says i met George Takei or Sylvester McCoy at this con or that con.

Thanks, Scotty! That is interesting indeed. Possibly get more money if I had ALL the authors to sign it, instead of just Sternbach, and I know that if the author was no longer around, it would be worth a TON more, but I have seen Marilyn Monroe signed pictures going for only 25.00! But they also say that unless you had actually been present when the item was signed, you just won't know if the signature is real or fake. So, "Buyer beware" rules apply. I should just throw it up on Ebay without mentioning Sternbach's signature, and see what I can get. Apparently really doesn't mean much one way or the other, since Sternbach is a small fish in the big pond, really.

Thanks again, Scotty.

William

Your welcome my friend...

I to have a few signed Star Trek books and there worth far more to me then anyone would give me. On a side note I bought a first edition hard cover book on the "The greatest Norman conquest by James van Wyck Osborne" 1937 for $35.00 and when I received it, it had a very old folded 2 paged typed letter just inside the cover...you could tell the paper was old, I opened it up and low and behold it was from General George Patton Jr. to the author, telling him how much his book and helped him in the Sicilian Campaign of 1943...boy I thought I hit the jackpot...after I calmed down, I realized that General Patton did not sign the letter, it was probably typed by a clerk, so I had it checked out and yep, even thou the letter was differently from 1943 and had all the correct information on it, without a signature it was worth the paper it was printed on. Did not matter to me I framed it and hung it on my wall where it's still at.

Scott

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Ill will add my two cents here. It will be worth exactly what someone will pay for. it. I had some rare comics I wanted to sell, and it is the same. Try to buy a "rare" or signed item, you will pay an arm and a leg. But try to sell the same item, and you will get far less, usually. :?

Yep...it all comes down to how much the other person wants what you have...thats why I don't sell any of mine, there worth far more to me, plus when I'm dead my sons can have fun with the 3,000 books, all the vinyl records,cd's and DVD's I have left them :)

Scott

On a different subject, everyone has been saying how great James Crawley's Elvis show is, so I thought that I would look up a couple of vids on YOUTUBE. GEEEZZZ, was he bad! I've seen a number of Elvis knockoffs, and I have to say, he is, BY FAR, the worse I have seen. There were a couple of others that were dead on, both in looks and in voice. James' voice was not even close, compared to these other guys.
I was greatly disappointed by that show. But don't take my word for it, check out YOUTUBE for the James Crawley vids and you can see the links to the other Elvis impersonators.

Enjoy, William

On a different subject, everyone has been saying how great James Crawley's Elvis show is, so I thought that I would look up a couple of vids on YOUTUBE. GEEEZZZ, was he bad! I've seen a number of Elvis knockoffs, and I have to say, he is, BY FAR, the worse I have seen. There were a couple of others that were dead on, both in looks and in voice. James' voice was not even close, compared to these other guys.
I was greatly disappointed by that show. But don't take my word for it, check out YOUTUBE for the James Crawley vids and you can see the links to the other Elvis impersonators.

Enjoy, William

James Crawley is a legion in his own mind....

Scott

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HOLY S**T, Zoran! That is GREAT!

William

NOT to get myself into this too deep. But, I feel I must point out many of the Trek master tapes and recording sessions that William has given us. I was a member at Jean's, and I know for a fact those were not posted there. So wherever they came from it was not Jean's. As for the rest, no one has rare stuff on a continuous basis. Sooner or later, there is nothing left in the vault to share. But consensus around here seems to be a positive opinion of William. Most are not waiting with baited breath for the next big thing. Indeed they mostly seem content just to engage him in conversation. In no way whatsoever are the natives getting restless. And, the Titanic stuff has nothing to do with this thread, and frankly has been beaten beyond death.

That said, yes William ignore him. If you get stuff like that above, send it to a moderator. But putting it up here will only escalate the situation. My opinion, of course.

I agree with what Sanico has done here and suggest that certain people put gwent on ignore. If any personal info gets posted by him, it will be deleted and him permanently banned.

Agreed, Amanda. It's just a mystery why the PTB on this site seems to want to protect and encourage this guy to continue what he is doing. And I HAVE sent all of his emails to Jessie, and was told that he is entitled to his opinion, and that Jessie doesn't think that he making trouble.

Go figure

William

I think i'm gonna ban you soon, you've sent me nothing, and i don't like liars.

You obviously didn't read my post at all, so i'm actually gonna ban you now, it's been a long time coming.

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Thanks Zoran!! I'm now in Avatar Heaven....

Scott

From LLL facebook...

"Our voyage began 3/22/2009 and today, 4/23/2012, the final proof was signed off on. . .the booklets/tray cards are being printed as I type!

(Nearly 3 years to the day! Funny how some projects work out.)

June 5th 2012 at 1 pm prepare to boldly go. . ."


http://www.facebook.com/lalalandrecords

From LLL facebook...

"Our voyage began 3/22/2009 and today, 4/23/2012, the final proof was signed off on. . .the booklets/tray cards are being printed as I type!

(Nearly 3 years to the day! Funny how some projects work out.)

June 5th 2012 at 1 pm prepare to boldly go. . ."


http://www.facebook.com/lalalandrecords

What I'm not sure of... is that the release date or the day we find out what the heck it is? I'm already losing my mind wondering what this might be...and how big it's going to be.

*Please be ST:TMP*

See, now if I KNEW now what it was. If I knew now that STTMP was being released, that is something i would really want to buy. But i would have to have advance notice.....

See, now if I KNEW now what it was. If I knew now that STTMP was being released, that is something i would really want to buy. But i would have to have advance notice.....

Same here, I'm not the biggest Trek fan or the greatest soundtrack collector but I **adore** ST-TMP music and if that's on the cards I want to know to be sure my credit card is healthy at the right time! If this was some limited super CD of TMP and I missed it, well, that would be a very bad thing!

See, now if I KNEW now what it was. If I knew now that STTMP was being released, that is something i would really want to buy. But i would have to have advance notice.....



MV posted a followup comment too:


To quote John Hammond, "Spared no expense." ;) LLL 1207 is our crowning acheivement

See, now if I KNEW now what it was. If I knew now that STTMP was being released, that is something i would really want to buy. But i would have to have advance notice.....

I'm with you Amanda!! I got LLL email this morning and nothing about what was coming up for release...disappointed.

Scott

Star Trek or something else. It will be Limited Edition, probably.

Star Trek or something else. It will be Limited Edition, probably.

Since Bruce Broughton is working at Intrada, my guess it, we will see something from him. Good thing though, he sounds alot like Goldsmith :)

Note: all of my Hotfile and Mediafire links are now DEAD! 119 files have been deleted, all in about 24-48 hours time. amazing!

William

Welcome back William.

Note: all of my Hotfile and Mediafire links are now DEAD! 119 files have been deleted, all in about 24-48 hours time. amazing!

William

I use hotfile to, but all my files are still there! it does make one wonder whats going on....I'll have to keep an eye on it. Thanks for the heads up William.

Scott

I'm surprised someone who's been banned has actually been brought back. Welcome back William, and sorry to hear about your files getting deleted.

Admin generally do not do perma bans. Usually they are around 3 days to a week or so. Will, Welcome back. Pm me, I have some..err..things to talk about.

Note: all of my Hotfile and Mediafire links are now DEAD! 119 files have been deleted, all in about 24-48 hours time. amazing!

William

So, you're back, eh? Well, good for you.

All you're files gone, huh? Sooo, I suppose that means you won't be posting all that great stuff you didn't post last week, right?

Don't start crap or you'll be banned. Oh and just so you know, one more ban means permaban for you, gwent.

Welcome back William!

Note: all of my Hotfile and Mediafire links are now DEAD! 119 files have been deleted, all in about 24-48 hours time. amazing!

William

Well, that's amazing indeed! Maybe you've been declared a no. 1 target for them? Nevertheless, I'm glad to see you still around, you would've been sorely missed in the shrine!

Hey, watched the ST11 TV-Spot #3... Can someone tell me what song this is?
Star Trek 11 Official TV Spot #3 in HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8GNZRVXNYo)

Hey, watched the ST11 TV-Spot #3... Can someone tell me what song this is?
Star Trek 11 Official TV Spot #3 in HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8GNZRVXNYo)

Well, that's not a "song" per se (a song is something really sung by an interpret and usually contains lyrics!) - what you mean is a musical clip or cue created to underscore a movie scene or, in this case, a movie trailer. In this case, I would assume it's one of those generic trailer scores which had been massively produced by Hollywood in recent years, with no specific movie in mind. See, first they have some trailer of a new movie, and then the music director tries to find some fitting 20 or 30 sec. music clip to underscore the trailer.

I'm with you Amanda!! I got LLL email this morning and nothing about what was coming up for release...disappointed.

Scott

They don't do that this early. They drop hints on their Facebook page, and they used to do it at the Film Score Monthly forum, but it appears they now have that to a minimum.

About a week 'till they'll let us know what it is, but even then it won't be on their website. It will go up on the site for order the day of release.

They don't do that this early. They drop hints on their Facebook page, and they used to do it at the Film Score Monthly forum, but it appears they now have that to a minimum.

About a week 'till they'll let us know what it is, but even then it won't be on their website. It will go up on the site for order the day of release.

I feel a little silly, that at my age I would still fall for such a obvious promotional campaign...almost like a kid in a candy store...oh well, better then feeling nothing.

Scott

Are we all still here?

Scott

Very sad news about the death of Joel Goldsmith...... Along with his father he contributed some great music for Star Trek. Working by himself he did so much for series like Stargate. I believe he composed the music for about 350 episodes!

Very sad news about the death of Joel Goldsmith...... Along with his father he contributed some great music for Star Trek. Working by himself he did so much for series like Stargate. I believe he composed the music for about 350 episodes!

No Goldsmith composing music... these are dark times.

I was surprised that he died so young! Cancer, that is a really screwed up situation. I remember, about 1997 or 98, I read a medical magazine, while sitting at my doctor's office, that told of a new enzyme, that would actually incapsulate a cancer cell, basically starving it to death. It was actually a "cure" for cancer. But try to find out anything about this drug today, forget it! The drug companies just don't want any cures, it would harm their financial income from all the drugs that they sell right now. Especially all the cancer related drugs. They must have paid off the company that created that enzyme with millions or billions. Sad to think that perhaps we may have had so many people still with us today, including Joel!

I was surprised that his resume said that he created sound effects for the motion picture, I would have thought that he would have worked with Jerry on the music. I worked with Alan Howarth, who was the only person that I knew was making the SFX. That is where those trek movie sound effects that I gave out here came from, DIRECTLY! I also worked with Kenny Hall on the music, since he was the music editor, and I also worked with Rick Anderson, who was the SFX suspervisor. Many of the SFX were musically created! But I never got to meet Joel directly. I had seen him in some studios from time to time, but never spoke with him. Sad.

William

Hey Williams, do you know of any source for Howarth's "Music" for The Final Frontier?

So right William!
Drug companies want to sell as many drugs as they can. That's why they treat symtoms most of the time, rather than cure. Cancer? ever heard of Colloidal Silver? or Peach Seeds? And these are actually ancient cures that are suppressed.
Just ranting :p

So right William!
Drug companies want to sell as many drugs as they can. That's why they treat symtoms most of the time, rather than cure. Cancer? ever heard of Colloidal Silver? or Peach Seeds? And these are actually ancient cures that are suppressed.
Just ranting :p

Capitalism always trumps Socialism / Liberalism.

Only the wealthy deserve to survive.

[That's sarcasm, btw...]

Yes, AND, I just found out about a year ago, if you have SCURVY, you have to only take doctor prescribed medication, according to a new FEDERAL LAW that the drug companies got on the books!!! I think that everyone knows that the cure for scurvy has been for 100's of years, to take lemons and limes on your boat, during a long sea voyage. That's why old British sailors were called "Limeys"!!! Amazing but true!

William

Hey William, do you know of any source for Howarth's "Music" for The Final Frontier?

Evil drug companies is just some balony that gets peddled in certain newspapers and cable news networks, then multipled online by such sites, and people who buy into it.


If people really did tyheir research, they'd often find these companies can't get financial backing, run out of money, cant' get FDA approval for human testing, the drug turns out to not work/or be as effective, they sell the rights to the formula to another company who changes names of it, so forth, and so forth.


Listening to a popular radio host, now owner of his own online network, for a few months now they have on/off been trumpeting this cure for all cancers. I had heard about it years ago (it usually takes years, sometimes ten or more to get approvals, financing), but now it's getting close. They have most of the machinery ready, and FDA approval is pending, as I recall.

What is does, in simple terms -- since I don' recall precisely rhe details -- is inject you with microscopic gold leaflets that attach themselves to ANY cancer, ANYwhere in your body. You are put in a machine that sends out radio waves that fry the gold, killing all cancer it's attached to. Testing on animals has showed NO side effects.

So, name the "Evil drug company(ies)!" that are stopping this. 'cause so far it's for every cancer. Can you imagine putting all cancer drug makers out of business, or reducing money intake from larget companies that carry one or more?


There's no more "Evil drug companies" than "evil oil companies".

So true Justin!! I just had my mothers oldest brother die of cancer (89 years old, a Marine from WW II), my own mother had breast cancer (they got it in time) and she is doing great for 85. I can not imagine someone finding a cure for cancer and selling it to some drug company and said drug company hiding it! personally if it was me (and I am no virologist by any sense of the word) there is no way I would sell it to some drug company! hell, I would sell it myself! clam my Nobel Peace Price and retire to some tropical island with a pi�a colada in one hand and a woman in the other. Joel Goldsmith was a very good composer and he was the same age I am...sad that he left before he could really shine like his father....I'll miss him.

Scott

So true Justin!! I just had my mothers oldest brother die of cancer (89 years old, a Marine from WW II), my own mother had breast cancer (they got it in time) and she is doing great for 85. I can not imagine someone finding a cure for cancer and selling it to some drug company and said drug company hiding it! personally if it was me (and I am no virologist by any sense of the word) there is no way I would sell it to some drug company! hell, I would sell it myself! clam my Nobel Peace Price and retire to some tropical island with a pi�a colada in one hand and a woman in the other. Joel Goldsmith was a very good composer and he was the same age I am...sad that he left before he could really shine like his father....I'll miss him.

Scott

You got to understand, it's not that they willingly sell a cure. That's not what all their test results and experiements show. No computer prints out, Results: Cure for Cancer, OMG!

They have what they have, and have beliefs, but they also have bills, debt incurred from the money needs for research and to pay off grants/loans for the research, and at a certain point they just give up on it.


It's a shame Joel didn't live any longer, 'cause if this gold/radiowaves thing had panned out, he could have gone through it. Heck, I have two family members that could go through it.



I'm still waiting, for example, something I read about in a science magazine a few years ago (don't recall the name). It was described as "liquid Draino for the heart", that you could take and would clear out clogged arteries in the heart like Draino in a clogged pipe, removing the need to open heart surgery and so forth.

They said they were awaiting approval for testing and that it would take many years. Still waiting.

Hey, William, do you know of any source for Howarth's "Music" for the Final Frontier?

What music are you referring to?

William

Maybe he meant TWoK.

I understand completely! R&D is very expensive and most of the time it leads no where...the main problem is Government!! if the Government got the hell out of the way, things would be a lot better for all of us...the less I see and hear of the Government the better I am...and I know that the Government has it's Constitutional porpoises (limited), but to interfere in our lives is beyond contempt, it's criminal. *End Rant*

My hope and prayer is that some day they will find a cure for cancer, but scientists just don't understand it fully enough yet, let along the human body. From what I have read, everyone has cancer inside them, something triggers these cell's to reciprocate at a phenomenal rate, and it all depends on what type of cancer it is (there are 12 types of cancer) and where it is located...some cancers are more aggressive then others. I understand sharks don't have cancer and are immune to cancer! scientists are studying that aspect and have for several years...but nothing yet.

Your "liquid Draino" sounds very interesting!! something that would indeed be a blessing to clogged artery's. I myself suffer from congestive heart failure and well have a AICD implanted next week, what I'm looking forward to is the day they can grow an individual's organ's for any person and therefore replace my heart with a new one and no anti-rejection medicine...but I doubt I will live to see that happen...but my children might!

Scott

Now if only we could stop all those "evil aluminum companies" from stopping transparent aluminum. ;-)

Now if only we could stop all those "evil aluminum companies" from stopping transparent aluminum. ;-)

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Hi everyone
I've noticed through the thread that there have been some DS9 score rips done - but no links are active. Can anyone help? Beyond the Emissary cd, the other snippets on the official volumes and the 3am at Quarks that I have, I am really eager for more!
thanks

As a related note, I cannot get into Bolt anymore. Which is the original source of the DS9 rips.

I was just at BOLT, with no problems. They were down a couple of days due to HACKING last week, but they are up and running now. PM me if you still have a problem, Amanda.

William

Well, none of my bookmarks for it work at all.

PM sent

William

Howarth's sound effects

What music are you referring to?

William

The "Music" that Christian Clemmonsen was referring to in his review to The Final Frontier...

"Avoid it... on any of the albums if you want to hear the replacement music for the brainwashing sequences in the film"

"Along with this idea comes a series of Synclavier tones for Sybok's brainwashing sequences, though this material was mostly removed in favor of heartbeat and other effects provided by electronic composer Alan Howarth later in production."

"La-La Land Records issued a 5,000-copy expanded pressing of the score's film edits, sans Howarth's music,"

??? Who's Howarth. Sound effects. What, burps groans, farts?

@olafolaf:

Thank you for uploading your edit of Voyager Concerning Flight music. I really enjoyed it! I do have one question though: did you cut and paste around the voices and sfx? Did you remove the sound effects? If so, did you use a software besides the VST's to remove the voices and sound effects. I'd like to try it with Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Thank you!

from jayjay23

??? Who's Howarth. Sound effects. What, burps groans, farts?

That is on the "Star Trek MOTION picture sound effects link"

BTW, Amanda, did you get my PM, and did the link work?

William

That is on the "Star Trek MOTION picture sound effects link"

William

The Megaupload link?

was just listening to the Orig TV Sound Effects "51 Comedy Background FX". kinda reminds me of Congress while in session.

William

Did you ever re-up Spock Vs, Q2? would like to here it. I didn't realize they did a second one.

The Megaupload link?

No, that was a HOTFILE link, which had disappeared recently, under very strange circumstances. I'm trying to reup all of these links for you guys, but it takes time.

William

No, that was a HOTFILE link, which had disappeared recently, under very strange circumstances. I'm trying to reup all of these links for you guys, but it takes time.

William

Alright, thank you, and good luck!

William

I just figured out i had both S Vs. Q's audios in one zip. my bad.

COOL! Hope that they are better quality than the crappy sounding ones that I downloaded!

William

COOL! Hope that they are better quality than the crappy sounding ones that I downloaded!

William

Unrelated:

Why is this Spectre Gadget claiming you sent him those Titanic sessions?

Is he trying to stir that drama up again or just play a cruel joke?

Is he trying to stir that drama up again or just play a cruel joke?


Actually....

PM Sent.

COOL! Hope that they are better quality than the crappy sounding ones that I downloaded!

William

MPEG Audio Layer 3 44100Hz mono 128kbps [Audio] Variable. probibly same as yours. they sound ok to me if you want to try them.

In regards to a "Star Trek: Generations" complete release, since GNP just did First contact, somebody checked about it:


I asked Mr. McCarthy himself about the expansion. He said:
"they're putting the expanded version together now; probably in a month or two".

Also intrada may be reissuing Star Trek V!

I think that when the new Star Trek movie open in the theatres, every score should already have a special edition released to all Trek movies.

The Final Frontier re-issue, fisrt.
Generations second.
The Motion Picture third.
Insurrection probably fourth -- I would estimate late this year.

Nemesis probably in the last two batches of the Varese Sarabande CD Club.

STTMP 3-CD set!

"Star Trek: The Motion Picture" Soundtrack Celebration, 6/4/12 | Creature Features (http://www.creaturefeatures.com/2012/05/star-trek-soundtrack-celebration/)

STTMP 3-CD set!

"Star Trek: The Motion Picture" Soundtrack Celebration, 6/4/12 | Creature Features (http://www.creaturefeatures.com/2012/05/star-trek-soundtrack-celebration/)

Wish I could go...:(

Scott

Perhaps if you slingshot around the sun...

STTMP 3-CD set!

"Star Trek: The Motion Picture" Soundtrack Celebration, 6/4/12 | Creature Features (http://www.creaturefeatures.com/2012/05/star-trek-soundtrack-celebration/)

Wow! That's really cool! I wish I could attend as well. Craig Huxley will be there to sign autographs! WilliamTaylor does that mean you'll be there?

Perhaps if you slingshot around the sun...

Aye! now all I need is a warp ship and a star to steer her by... :)

Scott

Wow! That's really cool! I wish I could attend as well. Craig Huxley will be there to sign autographs! WilliamTaylor does that mean you'll be there?

Don't think anyone would want MY autograph, hehehehe. But I'm thinking about going, gotta check it out with the wifey to see if she's got anything booked for that day or not. Gotta keep the homefires happy, ya know! :)
Just wondering, since both Jerry and Joel Goldsmith are no longer, who are they going to get to speak about the actual score recording sessions? May have to contact someone over at LALA and see.
William

Um, David Newman played on STTMP, I am sure he would know something.

Also intrada may be reissuing Star Trek V!

That's confirmed--the notice went out yesterday.

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Don't think anyone would want MY autograph, hehehehe. But I'm thinking about going, gotta check it out with the wifey to see if she's got anything booked for that day or not. Gotta keep the homefires happy, ya know! :)
Just wondering, since both Jerry and Joel Goldsmith are no longer, who are they going to get to speak about the actual score recording sessions? May have to contact someone over at LALA and see.
William

Wish I could be there for this. They're bringing in Bruce Botnick, Craig Huxley, David Newman and Mike Matessino, with a Jeff Bond-hosted panel discussion, plus a theatrical screening of the Director's Cut.

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Wasn't Jerry Goldsmith's daughter working on a JG bio a while back? Has anyone heard what may or may not be happening with it? And if that's true, wouldn't she have been a person to bring into a discussion of her father's music?

it said some guests were TBA....

it said some guests were TBA....

TBA... To Beam Aboard !.

The biography was cancelled courtesy of everybody's favourite lunatic, Lukas Kendall, who violated the trust of the Goldsmith family to the extent that they withdrew it indefinitely.

The biography was cancelled courtesy of everybody's favourite lunatic, Lukas Kendall, who violated the trust of the Goldsmith family to the extent that they withdrew it indefinitely.

Well, that sounds about right. Surely some publisher would be interested if it could be completed without Kendall on board.

Hi Friends,

anyone have the comlete scans from Intrada�s STAR TREK V release?

Greetings:

I was wondering if anyone had any image scans of the individual images from the Ron Jones Project disks? Not the music just the images?

no its not out yet , I want to encourage everyone to buy this wonderful set thats coming out from La La Land , well worth the asking price of 35 bucks , 3 cds of Great Goldsmith.
and a word of warning about this one , treat it as as FSM cd , Lukas is heavily involved with it , you know what I mean guys :)

I am sooo excited about this release... I will be picking it up!

If there ever was a true holy grail of mine, this is it. The Epic release of the decade for me, cant wait!!!!

It would be good to see this one not shared, and see everyone buying it. I sold 2 OOP CDs to be able to afford it :p

I am planning to buy this when it comes out, but I really don't understand the double standard here. I don't see how you can willfully download and upload soundtracks to share with others, all super illegally, but then somehow be selective about certain titles at the same time, or whenever you happen to buy them. It seems to me that either all of it is "okay" or none of it is.

I ponied up the cash for the big Burton / Elfman set, for example - spending much more than than the STAR TREK: TMP release costs - and although I was angry to see that it was posted here and on other sights pretty much as soon as people started receiving their copies, I decided to acknowledge my hypocrisy on the matter and let it go.

I agree that it would be a bummer if TMP shows up here immediately upon its release too, but at the same time, that's what this place is, and if you're going to participate, you need to accept that people are going to post releases here that will make you feel that others are cheating.

What he said. Hypocrisy stinks. You can't chose to be lawful and correct when it suits you and certainly not flame everyone else that goesn't do the right thing when the right thing happens to be what you do.

and a word of warning about this one , treat it as as FSM cd , Lukas is heavily involved with it , you know what I mean guys :)

I have no idea what you mean. Any kind of warning attached to this holy of holy CDs makes me nervous. I'm still buying it though. :)

I have no idea what you mean. Any kind of warning attached to this holy of holy CDs makes me nervous. I'm still buying it though. :)

some time ago Lukas Kendall of FSM , Film score monthly , saw here his Star Trek Next Gen box for download and he , justifiably so get very upset , so all FSM releases from now on forbidden from being posted here , Lukas is a major influence with the La La Land release of TMP so :)

some time ago Lukas Kendall of FSM , Film score monthly , saw here his Star Trek Next Gen box for download and he , justifiably so get very upset , so all FSM releases from now on forbidden from being posted here , Lukas is a major influence with the La La Land release of TMP so :)
Right, so the CD itself is fine. That's all I'm concerned about! My opinion is probably very much biased but I can't imagine there being a problem shifting 10000 of these even if every torrent site in the world listed it on their homepage.

I agree that it would be a bummer if TMP shows up here immediately upon its release too

Well, that's a given. You know that it's gonna happen. Still, I'm kinda surprised to see that a lot of people here are gonna buy the Start Trek: TMP set themselfs....I definitely will too!!! (and thus far no one is asking for a MP3/FLAC rip in this thread :p)

I guess you could discuss the topic of sharing these new releases for years on end, everyone will have a different opinion. Still.....I haven't seen this many score releases this last few years since, well......ever. And even though these releases are pirated like hell, they still must sell amazingly well for them to keep on releasing them.

Well, I don't think we can fairly be pissed at one soundtrack turning up here and not another. None of this material is yours to share, so let's not get moralistic about it.

As for the hypocrisy issue, I've got none. I download stuff all the time, but only the things I can't afford or would never have spent money on anyways. So nobody loses money on me.

Now, this 3-disc ST:TMP...? I'll be buying that. For that one, I'd be late on paying rent if I had to!

Are you kidding me? You actually have some of these old Star Trek soundtrack up for download? Awesome. Thanks.

Yes, yes we are kidding. (mainly because most links are dead for now.)


**They're....DEAD Jim....*teehee

I'm looking for the 20th Anniversary Edition of Star Trek TMP, is this one still available somewhere ?

Yes, I had heard that LALA was coming out with this 3CD set, but I cannot imagine what they could put on there that hasn't already been offered here in the past. Anyone have a track listing for comparison?

William

The 3CD set will be the original masters composed and conducted by Jerry Goldsmith. All the other album versions, including the 2CD set, are different recordings that are not on the movies

EXCUSE ME???? Are we talking STTMP here, or Titanic?

William

Yes, I had heard that LALA was coming out with this 3CD set, but I cannot imagine what they could put on there that hasn't already been offered here in the past. Anyone have a track listing for comparison?

William

Something being "offered here in the past" isn't really much of comparison to getting all the music on CD now (or soon anyway)! It might mostly be stuff that's been floating around the internet for many years but the several alternate takes of the main title will be new to me.

Yes, I had heard that LALA was coming out with this 3CD set, but I cannot imagine what they could put on there that hasn't already been offered here in the past. Anyone have a track listing for comparison?

William

A lot of this stuff may have been available on boots, but I'm sure the sound quality will be vastly superior. Well worth the purchase. I can't wait to get this.

From Trekmovie.com via FSM Message Board

DISC 1

THE FILM SCORE

1. Overture (1:43)
2. Main Title / Klingon Battle (7:01)
3. Total Logic (3:54)
4. Floating Office (1:08)
5. The Enterprise (6:02)
6. Malfunction (1:30)
7. Goodbye Klingon / Goodbye Epsilon Nine / Pre-Launch (2:10)
8. Leaving Drydock (3:32)
9. TV Theme / Warp Point Eight (0:50)
10. No Goodbyes (0:53)
11. Spock's Arrival (2:03)
12. TV Theme / Warp Point Nine (1:49)
13. Meet V'Ger (3:06)
14. The Cloud (5:05)
15. V'Ger Flyover (5:01)
16. The Force Field (5:07)
17. Micro Exam (1:13)
18. Games / Spock Walk (9:51)
19. System Inoperative (2:03)
20. Hidden Information (3:58)
21. Inner Workings (4:04)

TOTAL DISC 1 TIME: 72:06


DISC 2

1. V'Ger Speaks (4:04)
2. The Meld / A Good Start (5:37)
3. End Title (3:16)

TOTAL FILM SCORE TIME: 85:03


THE UNUSED EARLY SCORE

4. The Enterprise (6:05)
5. Leaving Drydock (2:39)
6. No Goodbyes (0:55)
7. Spock's Arrival (2:00)
8. Micro Exam (1:15)
9. Games (3:49)
10. Inner Workings (4:43)

TOTAL UNUSED EARLY SCORE TIME: 21:26


THE 1979 ALBUM

11. Main Title / Klingon Battle (6:50)
12. Leaving Drydock (3:29)
13. The Cloud (5:00)
14. The Enterprise (5:59)
15. Ilia's Theme (3:00)
16. Vejur Flyover (4:56)
17. The Meld (3:15)
18. Spock Walk (4:17)
19. End Title (3:16)

TOTAL 1979 ALBUM TIME: 40:02

TOTAL DISC 2 TIME: 74:31


DISC 3

ALTERNATES

1. Overture (Long Version) (2:50)
2. Main Title (Alternate Take) (1:44)
3. Total Logic (Alternate Take) (3:49)
4. Malfunction (Early Take) (1:28)
5. Goodbye Klingon (Alternate Take) (0:35)
6. No Goodbyes (Alternate Take) (0:53)
7. Spock's Arrival (Alternate Take) (2:01)
8. The Force Field (Alternate Take) (5:04)
9. Micro Exam (Alternate Take) (1:14)
10. Games (Early Synthesizer Version) (3:48)
11. Games (Alternate Take) (3:48)
12. Inner Workings (Alternate Take) (4:05)
13. V'Ger Speaks (Alternate Take) (4:03)
14. The Meld (Film Version) (3:16)
15. A Good Start (Discrete) (2:27)
16. Main Title (Album Take) (1:44)

TOTAL ALTERNATES TIME: 42:49


ADDITIONAL MUSIC

17. Main Title (First Raw Takes) (7:21)
18. The Force Field / The Cloud (Excerpts) (2:33)
19. Beams and Synthesizer for V'ger (4:04)
20. Beams and Synthesizer for Ilia (0:59)
21. Synthesizer for Main Theme (1:44)
22. Main Theme From Star Trek: The Motion Picture (Bob James) (5:24)
23. A Star Beyond Time (Shaun Cassidy) (2:43)
24. Ilia's Theme (Alternate) (3:33)
25. Theme From Star Trek: The Motion Picture (Concert Edit) (3:25)

TOTAL ADDITIONAL MUSIC TIME: 31:46


TOTAL DISC 3 TIME: 74:35


GRAND TOTAL TIME: 3:41:13

Any specific details on this? would love to know more.

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just a word of warning, its the DVD they will be screening for the directors cut, so expect it to look not so great on the screen. and being a that its a screening that is using a DVD for the source its definitely not worth the 17 dollar admission price to see the movie.

Any specific details on this? would love to know more.

---------- Post added at 03:01 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:59 AM ----------

just a word of warning, its the DVD they will be screening for the directors cut, so expect it to look not so great on the screen. and being a that its a screening that is using a DVD for the source its definitely not worth the 17 dollar admission price to see the movie.

I don't think they have any other option though, wasn't the director's cut only made at DVD quality? A blu-ray of TMP DC is one of my most wanted titles. Maybe if Paramount see the soundtrack album selling at great speed they will think it's worthwhile remastering TMP. :)

A lot of this stuff may have been available on boots, but I'm sure the sound quality will be vastly superior. Well worth the purchase. I can't wait to get this.

From Trekmovie.com via FSM Message Board

DISC 1

THE FILM SCORE

1. Overture (1:43)
2. Main Title / Klingon Battle (7:01)
3. Total Logic (3:54)
4. Floating Office (1:08)
5. The Enterprise (6:02)
6. Malfunction (1:30)
7. Goodbye Klingon / Goodbye Epsilon Nine / Pre-Launch (2:10)
8. Leaving Drydock (3:32)
9. TV Theme / Warp Point Eight (0:50)
10. No Goodbyes (0:53)
11. Spock's Arrival (2:03)
12. TV Theme / Warp Point Nine (1:49)
13. Meet V'Ger (3:06)
14. The Cloud (5:05)
15. V'Ger Flyover (5:01)
16. The Force Field (5:07)
17. Micro Exam (1:13)
18. Games / Spock Walk (9:51)
19. System Inoperative (2:03)
20. Hidden Information (3:58)
21. Inner Workings (4:04)

TOTAL DISC 1 TIME: 72:06


DISC 2

1. V'Ger Speaks (4:04)
2. The Meld / A Good Start (5:37)
3. End Title (3:16)

TOTAL FILM SCORE TIME: 85:03


THE UNUSED EARLY SCORE

4. The Enterprise (6:05)
5. Leaving Drydock (2:39)
6. No Goodbyes (0:55)
7. Spock's Arrival (2:00)
8. Micro Exam (1:15)
9. Games (3:49)
10. Inner Workings (4:43)

TOTAL UNUSED EARLY SCORE TIME: 21:26


THE 1979 ALBUM

11. Main Title / Klingon Battle (6:50)
12. Leaving Drydock (3:29)
13. The Cloud (5:00)
14. The Enterprise (5:59)
15. Ilia's Theme (3:00)
16. Vejur Flyover (4:56)
17. The Meld (3:15)
18. Spock Walk (4:17)
19. End Title (3:16)

TOTAL 1979 ALBUM TIME: 40:02

TOTAL DISC 2 TIME: 74:31


DISC 3

ALTERNATES

1. Overture (Long Version) (2:50)
2. Main Title (Alternate Take) (1:44)
3. Total Logic (Alternate Take) (3:49)
4. Malfunction (Early Take) (1:28)
5. Goodbye Klingon (Alternate Take) (0:35)
6. No Goodbyes (Alternate Take) (0:53)
7. Spock's Arrival (Alternate Take) (2:01)
8. The Force Field (Alternate Take) (5:04)
9. Micro Exam (Alternate Take) (1:14)
10. Games (Early Synthesizer Version) (3:48)
11. Games (Alternate Take) (3:48)
12. Inner Workings (Alternate Take) (4:05)
13. V'Ger Speaks (Alternate Take) (4:03)
14. The Meld (Film Version) (3:16)
15. A Good Start (Discrete) (2:27)
16. Main Title (Album Take) (1:44)

TOTAL ALTERNATES TIME: 42:49


ADDITIONAL MUSIC

17. Main Title (First Raw Takes) (7:21)
18. The Force Field / The Cloud (Excerpts) (2:33)
19. Beams and Synthesizer for V'ger (4:04)
20. Beams and Synthesizer for Ilia (0:59)
21. Synthesizer for Main Theme (1:44)
22. Main Theme From Star Trek: The Motion Picture (Bob James) (5:24)
23. A Star Beyond Time (Shaun Cassidy) (2:43)
24. Ilia's Theme (Alternate) (3:33)
25. Theme From Star Trek: The Motion Picture (Concert Edit) (3:25)

TOTAL ADDITIONAL MUSIC TIME: 31:46


TOTAL DISC 3 TIME: 74:35


GRAND TOTAL TIME: 3:41:13


This will not be a popular thought, but this track list is exactly why I cannot bring myself to buy it. I have absolutely no interest in the early score, alt takes or the original lp release. All I want is the score. It brings me to tears, really. Most of this has been on the boots, and I have deleted all of it. So, two out of three discs, for the most part, will never get played. The artwork is meaningless to me. Over 40 dollars (accounting for shipping) is just too steep for one price.

@theturokfanboy: What tracks do you say vary from film edit? I have always thought they sound pretty close to me. Closer than some movies for sure. With that remastered lossless boot a bit back, the only new part of this score is the first captain's log, less than a minute. This just is not going to be justifyable. I would have to forgo a bottle of insulin to swing it. And, I totally would, but now.....tears I tell you. All I want is the stripped down score :sad:

But, I do know for the ajority this is a dream come true, and I am very happy for you.

just a word of warning, its the DVD they will be screening for the directors cut, so expect it to look not so great on the screen. and being a that its a screening that is using a DVD for the source its definitely not worth the 17 dollar admission price to see the movie.
HD isn't necessary. It depends were you're sitting. For example: If you have a 42" TV set and you're sitting 3-4 meters from the screen there's no difference in quality. That's why I'm sticking to DVD at least for now.

Cool.
I'm defensively buying this. I just hope LaLa won't sell-out in the 5th.

Cool.
I'm defensively buying this. I just hope LaLa won't sell-out in the 5th.

I'm glad I'm off work tomorrow, because I'll be standing by waiting to order it. I wonder if it'll eventually get an unlimited release, like Star Trek V...

@Wayfarer, I second that. Intrada, please consider this....

Greetings:

I was wondering if anyone had any image scans of the individual images from the Ron Jones Project disks? Not the music just the images?

This is the complete booklet scan, including the online liner notes (pdf):

neutral_zone.rar download - 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/file/_xAmg9ur/neutral_zone.html)

pass: nakednow

Thank you soundtrekker!

Hi Friends,

anyone have the comlete scans from Intrada�s STAR TREK V release?

here you go:

Sybok.rar download - 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/file/0f9zXviC/Sybok.html)

pass: rowrowrowyourboat

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Thank you soundtrekker!

You're welcome!

here you go:



Thanks, but this is the LLL-Version.

Thanks, but this is the LLL-Version.

Yes, I was well aware of that, but I have only the LLL version. Besides, this is how Intrada describes its 2012 release:

"... All musical content plus liner notes by Trek authority Jeff Bond are identical to earlier 2-CD release. New packaging by Joe Sikoryak brings artwork design in keeping with other Intrada/Film Score Monthly STAR TREK releases..."

So I guess you just want it for the "new packaging"? If so, I'm sorry, but in this case you have to ask again. Good luck!

Thanks, but this is the LLL-Version.

Isn't LLL the same? just the cover is different?

Isn't LLL the same? just the cover is different?

Look for post # 2005, and you'll be enlighted! :-)

Yes, I was well aware of that, but I have only the LLL version. Besides, this is how Intrada describes its 2012 release:

"... All musical content plus liner notes by Trek authority Jeff Bond are identical to earlier 2-CD release. New packaging by Joe Sikoryak brings artwork design in keeping with other Intrada/Film Score Monthly STAR TREK releases..."

So I guess you just want it for the "new packaging"? If so, I'm sorry, but in this case you have to ask again. Good luck!

I know that the Intrada cover is different and I think the back cover too. The linernotes are the same like the LLL-version, but the grafiks are the same too?