Then, give him a half-assed refit that later needs improvements, only the second time around done my a pack of monkeys who can't even get the doors to open right.

By the second time around (and the incorrectly opening doors), do you mean the Enterprise from "The Final Frontier?" That actually wouldn't have been a second refit of the Enterprise, but an entirely different ship entirely -- as the big E was blown up in "The Search for Spock."

'Course, it was another ship that was renamed and probably refit. And, yes, apparently was engineered by monkeys.

By the second time around (and the incorrectly opening doors), do you mean the Enterprise from "The Final Frontier?" That actually wouldn't have been a second refit of the Enterprise, but an entirely different ship entirely -- as the big E was blown up in "The Search for Spock."

'Course, it was another ship that was renamed and probably refit. And, yes, apparently was engineered by monkeys.

You're right -- I somehow, in all my nerddom, forgot about it. Minus 10 Nerd Points from my NEver Kissed A Girl nerd license.

I really love that "Girl Scout" photo! GREAT!

William

Oddly enough, I can't find the CLUB47 music in my own STO rip.
I can't find it in the archives!!!

Btw, does anyone know if the "Year of Hell" score was ever leaked?
I think its Dennis McCarthy's finest work on Star Trek!
As far as I know, Year of Hell has not leaked. I have not seen true leaks od any DS9 or Voyager. We have a fair number for Enterprise, and a few from Next Gen.

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Also, I just noticed that IZBOT hasn't posted anything on this site since the first of May, 2012.

I hope he's okay, and will be coming back soon.

William

Izbot is alive and well at Bolt, the last I saw. He had posted the TMP three disc set recently...

Yes, I just noticed that the other week at BOLT as well!

William

That's pretty funny Justin

BTW maybe they went back in time and saved the Enterprise before it was blown up and they slapped the crap out of the Klingons and then rebuilt It, It IS an expensive piece of Real Estate! Oh i forgot, money doesn't matter anymore. Got to get out there and work our butts off to build new Ships. I hope i have enough credits to have a coffee break. Oh wait, Credits? isn't that the same as money? Except easier to print than real money, out of nothing? Wait, maybe B&B, Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman are actually writing History? Let's all join Starfleet so we can get our free complamentary 20 credits and buy some Cigs and Tea or Coffee and sit around and laugh about the Scripts. Oh, wait, I think that's what We're doing now, and We didn't have to join Starfleet and go back and forth through time, which gives me Time Lag Sickness!

I liked Star Trek 2009, better than the TNG films IMHO.

PLEASE BE ADVISED:

Any posts by "He who must not be named", if and when they appear, are on my IGNORE list, and will not be replied to by me. So, if you feel the need to reply, PLEASE don't "quote" his rants or harassing comments, because then they won't be invisible! It's a loophole in the system, so he can get his comments read by everyone who has him on their ignore list.
Apparently there is no way to really ban this troll, even though he apparently has several sockpuppet accounts with different IPS addresses.

Anyway, let's just enjoy all the LLL and FSM new releases and others as well, and concentrate on all the positive stuff we can share!

Sincerely, William

Anyway, let's just enjoy all the LLL and FSM new releases and others as well, and concentrate on all the positive stuff we can share!

Sincerely, William

I eagerly await for you to say something "positive" and can't wait for you to actually share some new trek related content.

And please folks, don't share FSM releases here. That would be a violation of forum rules.

Peace and long life Gre...oh, excuse me, William Taylor.

HE who must NOT be named! :)

William

I really think that this trend to "Un-invent" canon Star Trek started really with Rick Berman, and Brannon Braga, the "B&B" boys. They loved throwing all sorts of things like that. Spock was supposed to be the first Vulcan to join Starfleet, which was mentioned in TOS, and then T'Pol comes along, 78 years before Spock, and now SHE's joined Starfleet! W T F????


Just for the sake of clarification, B&B were tricky with that one. They managed to get around it because T'Pol wasn't actually a member of Starfleet. She was "assigned" by the Vulcans to basically keep an eye on the crew. That's why she had on that ugly uniform, that looked like carpet, for the first two seasons. Then for the remainder of the show she had the more colorful catsuits - after she resigned her Vulcan commission - but still wasn't a member of Starfleet, even though she was first officer. I guess they figured that was enough to cover their asses on that one. *shrugs*

Anyway, I don't believe I've posted in this thread before, been following for some time but unfortunately haven't had anything to contribute that wasn't already on here. So, hello to you all and thanks for all the great uploads!

With regards to the newest Trek movie, I think this process of rebooting old TV shows is doomed to failure on some level before you even begin.

If you made a Trek movie loyal to Rodenberry's style, today's tweeting texting Lady Gaga loving audience wouldn't know what to make of it. They would say, "What is this? Where is my roller coaster ride? Get this thing out of here and give me Abraham Lincoln battling vampires.

On the other hand, if you update Star Trek and make Kirk a rebel biker boy and Scotty a comic relief character with a sidekick and have Spock groping Uhura in the turbo lift, you freak out the older generation.

I prefer what Ridley Scott did with Prometheus. Instead of doing a sequel to Alien, a beloved movie from the 70's, he did his own thing and went in his own direction with no legacy strings attached. Proper.

If you made a Trek movie loyal to Rodenberry's style, today's tweeting texting Lady Gaga loving audience wouldn't know what to make of it. They would say, "What is this? Where is my roller coaster ride? Get this thing out of here and give me Abraham Lincoln battling vampires.

Considering the steaming pile of box office fail that turned out to be, I don't think anyone wanted that either. But I agree with your assessment (I just woulda said "Twilight").

According to the numbers I see from searches with each film name and "Opening Weekend":

"Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter": $16.3 million
Estimate budget (which may or may not include adverstising costs, which can be multi millions): $69 million

I'd say that's not good. Who knew turning one of America's greatest presidents into a vampire killing action hero would turn off audiences? Oh, wait -- I was fairly sure. I thought it would make a little more, but I was certain doing that to Abe would kill the film.

Hey -- I got their next film idea: Superman: The Re-Visioning
Starrring: Justin Beiber as a really, super gay Superman who is in love with Jimmy. and has only a red speedo on -- no blue pants.
Yes, I'm sure American would love to see one of of their favorite Superhero's turned into that.

Oh, oh! I got it! A graphic video of Whitney Huston's autopsy! Everybody will love that!

You see? And I thought that I was the ONLY one who thought Justin Beiber was secretly gay! Of course, alot of people think that Lady GaGa was once a man! Go figure!

AND, speaking of "Abe Lincoln" killing vamps, I knew it would bomb when I heard about them starting to film it! Even before the posters came out!

No accounting for brains in the movie biz. What have I been telling you people? I see it every day!


HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED!!!!

William

:( :sad:

:erm: Ah, I LIKE a few GaGa songs. Not her pre se, but few numbers. And loath as I am to say this I kept the Abe Lincoln thing. I was bound a determened to hat it. I was just gonna see if perhaps the action bit could be salvaged for my compilation, and I ended up keeping it intact, and listened to a couple times now. It's no masterpiece to be sure, but something about it kept my attentioh. :shock:

Okay, but was she originally a GUY???? That's all that anyone on the internet seems to want to know. There are a couple of photos where people are saying that you can see her onstage, performing, and you can see her PENIS! I, personally, couldn't see anything, but they said it, not me!

And I thought that the music for "ABE" was just totally and completely substandard, especially for a major motion picture in Hollywood today. SHAME!

William

HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED, MUST JUST GO AWAY FOR ALL TIME. HE IS NOT WELCOME HERE!

LLLR posted yesterday that they'll be at the STar Trek convention early August, with:


La-La Land Records: We shall be there (Star Trek Convention - Las Vegas) with plenty of goodies...and perhaps with news of the biggest release in soundtrack history.

People re speculating since it's a Trek convention, maybe a TOS box set. Maybe things have finally changed.

Either a TOS set, which I HIGHLY doubt, unless they tied up Neil Norman and stole his supply out of his safe, hehehehe, or it's an ORIGINAL recording from Titanic! :)

William

HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED, MUST JUST GO AWAY FOR ALL TIME. HE IS NOT WELCOME HERE!

Or maybe they paid off Neil, or maybe they found a NEW stasdh of tapes and are boldly going away from Neil Norman.

One day, when I'm 75, have bad hearing, and sleep most of the day, Sony will relent and they'll release a complete "Titanic". You know, after half the fanbase for the score has died.

HE who must NOT be named! :)

William


Okay, but was she originally a GUY???? That's all that anyone on the internet seems to want to know. There are a couple of photos where people are saying that you can see her onstage, performing, and you can see her PENIS! I, personally, couldn't see anything, but they said it, not me!

William

I think Lady GaGa's member is a bit off topic for a Star Trek soundtrack thread. I realize you're posts lean towards the inflammatory side, but this really was inappropriate.

Has there been any news about the DS9 episodic release?

I didn't claim Abe's score was "great" by any means, just I didn't delete. :)

GaGa has a member? :angel:

It is a TOS set. But I believe Norman was not tied up, only drugged.

i'd totally touch gaga's penis.


only not really.

Does anybody have anything for Star Trek TAS.

i have the ones someone posted on their blog. they are ripped from each individual episode with sfx. i can't remember the name of who posted them. i'm a bit busy tonight but i can try to re-up them this weekend.

i have the ones someone posted on their blog. they are ripped from each individual episode with sfx. i can't remember the name of who posted them. i'm a bit busy tonight but i can try to re-up them this weekend.

Thanks!

O God, that member is going to rear its ugly head in my country this December. He/she will be touring SA, and ticket sales are soaring. Only God knows why, and of course, His Enemy.

Does anybody have anything for Star Trek TAS.

Lost Master Tapes of Film Scores (http://rejectedfilmscores.150m.com/lost.html)

Sorry.

There is dvd rips on the star trek complete score project blog.

Yes, but those are music and SFX, and you can hear some talking in the BG. Paramount still has all of the two track masters on these! But that has music and SFX mixed on one track, talking on the other. Those two track masters are STILL there as of two years ago, so I know that something can be done!

Also, back in the early 1990's when the TOS sound effects were discovered at "Horta Editorial", my partner and I saw a couple of reels of music in their library. One was music from "The Jetson's" which he copied, and the other was for TAS, which he didn't want because it was not the original TOS music! Now, I wish that I had gotten both of those reels copied. I can't even get the Jetson's music from him, because he's being a total jackass, and has gone totally ego!

But they did exist back about 20 years ago!

William

HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED, MUST JUST GO AWAY FOR ALL TIME. HE IS NOT WELCOME HERE!

Yes, but those are music and SFX, and you can hear some talking in the BG. Paramount still has all of the two track masters on these! But that has music and SFX mixed on one track, talking on the other. Those two track masters are STILL there as of two years ago, so I know that something can be done!

Also, back in the early 1990's when the TOS sound effects were discovered at "Horta Editorial", my partner and I saw a couple of reels of music in their library. One was music from "The Jetson's" which he copied, and the other was for TAS, which he didn't want because it was not the original TOS music! Now, I wish that I had gotten both of those reels copied. I can't even get the Jetson's music from him, because he's being a total jackass, and has gone totally ego!

But they did exist back about 20 years ago!

WilliamIt's a shame studios don't treat their valuable properties better. They toss out tapes, film and other materials...or they just let them rot. The irony of it is that when someone (such as the fans) do things like extract the music from a film or do a high-quality digital conversion of a video for their own use and the enjoyment of other fans -- the very things that the studios fail and refuse to do -- they get all up in arms about "lost revenue". Which of course, begs numerous questions, such as, "what lost revenue, since you don't even offer this for sale at any price", and "if you have so much 'respect' for the property [as you claim], and you want to give the fans what they want [as you claim] and there is any real money in it [as you claim], they why the hell aren't you doing it -- particularly since most fans would rather have official products and support the franchise than not?"

Now, I wish that I had gotten both of those reels copied. I can't even get the Jetson's music from him, because he's being a total jackass, and has gone totally ego!

William

*sigh*

Another mentally positive post. Why is it all your "I work for a major motion picture studio" posts all end the same way? You get into a big fight with someone and have yet another reason why you can't share.

You had more credibility when you were sounding off on Lady GaGa's unit.

Sorry Mods. If you knew who this guy truly is, you would understand why I have a hard time remaining silent. Why anyone here defends him is beyond the farthest star.

I don't defend him, I merely point out that it is not of any interest to most. Like I have said, it's his thread, he can jabber all he wants. And, "true identities" are more or less checked at the door in these parts, for obvious reasons.

but the "animated" episodes of the starship farragut fan film had clean tas music tracks to use for their 'toons. where did those come from?

but the "animated" episodes of the starship farragut fan film had clean tas music tracks to use for their 'toons. where did those come from?

Also, my DVD rip of More Troubles, More Tribbles, had almost ZERO dialogue.

but the "animated" episodes of the starship farragut fan film had clean tas music tracks to use for their 'toons. where did those come from?

The dvd rips are very good actually. Still not my cup of tea, but very very close. I highly recommend them.

I have them [Star Trek TAS Music and SFX] in 320 mp3, and SFX are seperate, not in the Music but the Music is a little staticy.
Also 2010 - Main Theme - Filmation Animated Television Series Star Trek[Single][V0] sounds really good.

It's a shame studios don't treat their valuable properties better. They toss out tapes, film and other materials...or they just let them rot. The irony of it is that when someone (such as the fans) do things like extract the music from a film or do a high-quality digital conversion of a video for their own use and the enjoyment of other fans -- the very things that the studios fail and refuse to do -- they get all up in arms about "lost revenue". Which of course, begs numerous questions, such as, "what lost revenue, since you don't even offer this for sale at any price", and "if you have so much 'respect' for the property [as you claim], and you want to give the fans what they want [as you claim] and there is any real money in it [as you claim], they why the hell aren't you doing it -- particularly since most fans would rather have official products and support the franchise than not?"

Yes, you are completely correct, they do let them ROT! I was reading a blog yesterday, that was linked from here, wherein the person had reported on the "Lost" soundtracks to many famous films and TV shows. One report, the studio had tried to re-record a score from a movie, and the tape was falling apart as they handled it! The original film from "Forbidden Planet", the filming negs, were covered with green slim, when they pulled it from the MGM vaults, back about 20-25 years ago. If not for a film collector in Texas, who managed to keep his copy completely pristeen, we would not have a clean DVD copy of that film. Add to that, the composers of the score, who kept a nice STEREO master of their music, to be respliced into the mono audio track! Then the second version of the DVD came out, with an all new, cleaned up audio track and nice stereo foley tracks!
Wish they would do that with more old Scifi stuff! It would be great!



William

HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED, MUST JUST GO AWAY FOR ALL TIME. HE IS NOT WELCOME HERE!

All the Star Trek TOS sfxs links are dead, can you please reupload them, williamtaylor1969?

Yes, you are completely correct, they do let them ROT! I was reading a blog yesterday, that was linked from here, wherein the person had reported on the "Lost" soundtracks to many famous films and TV shows. One report, the studio had tried to re-record a score from a movie, and the tape was falling apart as they handled it! The original film from "Forbidden Planet", the filming negs, were covered with green slim, when they pulled it from the MGM vaults, back about 20-25 years ago. If not for a film collector in Texas, who managed to keep his copy completely pristeen, we would not have a clean DVD copy of that film. Add to that, the composers of the score, who kept a nice STEREO master of their music, to be respliced into the mono audio track! Then the second version of the DVD came out, with an all new, cleaned up audio track and nice stereo foley tracks!
Wish they would do that with more old Scifi stuff! It would be great!



William

HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED, MUST JUST GO AWAY FOR ALL TIME. HE IS NOT WELCOME HERE!


Yes, to save money and make room in vaults, studios would through things away, erase them and record over them, etc.

And they later find out this fact when they go looking for the masters, since their right hand doesn't know what its left hand has done, often even surprised they have hands! OMG -- WTF are theese???!!!


I'd love to see tha tblog, to see if anything is missing from my listing:
Lost Master Tapes of Film Scores (http://www.rejectedfilmscores.150m.com/lost.html)

All the Star Trek TOS sfxs links are dead, can you please reupload them, williamtaylor1969?

You join this board in 2008, yet only have TWO posts?

Curiouser and curiouser

William

HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED, MUST JUST GO AWAY FOR ALL TIME. HE IS NOT WELCOME HERE!

Yes, to save money and make room in vaults, studios would through things away, erase them and record over them, etc.

And they later find out this fact when they go looking for the masters, since their right hand doesn't know what its left hand has done, often even surprised they have hands! OMG -- WTF are theese???!!!


I'd love to see tha tblog, to see if anything is missing from my listing:
Lost Master Tapes of Film Scores (http://www.rejectedfilmscores.150m.com/lost.html)
Ughh. The formatting of your page Lost Master Tapes of Film Scores (http://www.rejectedfilmscores.150m.com/lost.html) is really tough to follow. Just thought I'd mention is in case it you weren't aware of it...

You join this board in 2008, yet only have TWO posts?

Curiouser and curiouser

William


I registered in 2008, and I think I made no posts until a few months ago.

But then again, I may be pure evil, so...

I registered in 2008, and I think I made no posts until a few months ago.

But then again, I may be pure evil, so...Justin, I don't think it was you to whom William was referring...Unless you were intending to speak on behalf of "sonicjordan2" and I'm just too dense to realize that...

No, just pointing out.


Clearly, the answer must be that William is a "2008" racist. ;-)

2007 and 2009 are fine, just not that POS 2008.

No, just pointing out.


Clearly, the answer must be that William is a "2008" racist. ;-)

2007 and 2009 are fine, just not that POS 2008.
Or we could just go with the conspiratorial theory that "sonicjordan2" is a spy from the planet Twilo. Or the RIAA!! :)

Not that it is of any real importance to anyone but --

I have been looking for a way to change my forum user name. Haven't been able to find it. Apparently there is not an option for that. Tried contacting a forum admin to advise if they were able to do that from there end. Haven't gotten a response. So...I have undertaken to create a new account using my new and improved user name (LDMartin1959). I will begin using that but in the meantime my message count on the new account will begin at "0" again, I'll be subject to the newbie restrictions and such. As a result, my contributions to this thread may -- for a time -- be even lesser than they were before. So, new user name, same avatar but it'll still be little ol' me, Underdog.

Not that it is of any real importance to anyone but --

I have been looking for a way to change my forum user name. Haven't been able to find it. Apparently there is not an option for that. Tried contacting a forum admin to advise if they were able to do that from there end. Haven't gotten a response. So...I have undertaken to create a new account using my new and improved user name (LDMartin1959). I will begin using that but in the meantime my message count on the new account will begin at "0" again, I'll be subject to the newbie restrictions and such. As a result, my contributions to this thread may -- for a time -- be even lesser than they were before. So, new user name, same avatar but it'll still be little ol' me, Underdog.

Thread 76832

usually marcelline handles name changes. either post your request in there or PM her

Thread 76832

usually marcelline handles name changes. either post your request in there or PM her

Oh, it figures. I searched for info in the forums and didn't find anything. My luck at doing searches is terrible. And I already created the new I'd. Oh, we'll. Maybe the can undo my screwup.

well, the search feature here seems kinda derpy.

oh, and here is the score (with sfx) from the animated series episode 1, originally uploaded by altovar on his blog



tracklist:
1. Outward Course
2. Steady As She Goes
3. Absolute Zero
4. Boarding The Alien Ship
5. We're Going Inside
6. Self Destruct
7. The Beating Of A Heart
8. Three Meters
9. Obey Me!
10. So Lonely


http://www.mediafire.com/?2w9fsvfl18rx4n5

Star Trek: The Animated Series season one, episode 2




http://www.mediafire.com/?45cafl35u5qeym4

Thanks so much for sharing these!

thank altovar. he actually ripped them. i think he still has RS links on his blog, but you need an invite to view and follow his blog. also, not sure if the RS links are still good or dead now, and MF is so much faster. i'll have more on the way soon.

Wow, the animated series. That's just brilliant.

and here is altovar's rip from Star Trek TAS Season One Episode 3




http://www.mediafire.com/?kqfaq2rw5ykfey1

Hello Guys! A little heads up: my hotmail account and my password for several other sites was hacked a while ago, that's why i did not post anything on the blog or anywere else. Also, lately i spend a lot of time abroad (poor me :)) and i simply did not have time to start all over again, but if there is a need for the TAS rips or any other rips i'll try to upload those in the next few weeks. No promises, but i'll do my best.

A.

Thanks for making these rips available, they sound great! If you have the chance to post any more in the near future, thanks in advance, they are well worth the wait.

i don't know if altovar is planning on posting links but i will try to work on getting the next few episode rips up later this evening

Thanks again for posting those first couple of episodes, I have been looking for the music from the animated Star Trek for a many years, without much luck until today.

Season One, Episode 4:



http://www.mediafire.com/?p769gadjustdj0a


Season One, Episode 5:



http://www.mediafire.com/?svwqj9xjdw437x0


Season One, Episode 6:



http://www.mediafire.com/?r295dj29pl6nn3d

I really appreciate your taking the time to post these, thanks again!

here are the scores to episode 7 and 8:



this time i just bundled the two into one file, as it was easier


http://www.mediafire.com/?pqo4i2yjddu6zj2

I couldn't re-locate the interview for the exact quote, so I had to cull this from his wikipedia page.

Yvette Blais & Jeff Michael were pseudonyms. Ray Ellis & Norm Prescott were the composers.
Yvette was Ellis' wife's first name.
"Jeff and "Michael" are Prescott's son's names. Coincidently, Ellis has a son named Jeff, too.

Is that the same Ray Ellis that did the 1960's Spiderman? I don't suppose his son would have the master tapes up in the attic somewhere...

Is that the same Ray Ellis that did the 1960's Spiderman? I don't suppose his son would have the master tapes up in the attic somewhere...

He has two sons, one became a composer, too. I guess I could just contact both them and ask. But I suspect they've been asked before.

I sent an email to the composer a few years go, got no response.

I sent an email to the composer a few years go, got no response.

E-mails sent to both of them. Assuming I have the same Marc Ellis (the website listed on IMDB for Marc, is gone).

Now the waiting game.



EDIT:
1:30 -- one reply back. Sent off the question in regards to "Spider-Man" and "Star Trek" (TAS).

We'll see.

Cool - that's further than I got. Let us know.

Hey, i'll be uploading the 320 MP3 TMP i said eariler. I've had my hands full, it will be up SOON.

my hands are full today as well but i will try to get more of altovar's TAS rips up soon.

Okay, one reply so far, from Jeffrey Ellis -- the lawyer. He doesn't know, but he's forwarded my question to Marc.

If Jefrrey doesn't know, it makes me wonder if they've been contacted at all by anybody. I have a hard time believing that, but I guess I'll be finding out in due course.

If it turns out Marc does have tapes to either, I'll be putting him in touch with labels like La La Land Records, and they'll know who to forward him to -- if they're interested in either show's music. I thought I remembered them saying breifly about both series, but there were tapes issues -- but I could be wrong.

if we here about a TAS album in the near future, we can thank justin for getting the gears moving. i don't think it would be a very long album...there wasn't much music composed and they reused it throughout the course of the show. but it would still be great to have sfx free

ST TAS music was also used as library for other shows, like Flash Gordon and Tarzan, as I recall. So maybe there is more music that could be released, ST TAS music a part of that larger library. (Ark II, Space Academy, Jason of Star Command)

that would be great! a filmation music box set!

Found one of Prescott's sons, will be contacting him in due course. Doesn't appear Prescott worked on "Spider-Man" -- but you never know what tapes Ellis and Prescott may have loaned, traded, or made personal copies for themselves, of.

Hopefully he'll be able to forward me to the other son.

I'm going to try and put to bed, best I can -- I do have limitations -- the situations on master tapes nad possible releases, for both the shows in aforementioned posts.

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BAD NEWS

So far the report is neither Prescott son have anything.

In an interview with Film Score Monthly Ray Ellis said he did not have copies of the ST TAS music and had no idea where it might be.

I also heard Ray co composed the music with his son, who used the pseudonym of Norm Prescott's sons.

:sad:

Someplace, we were talking about copyright laws, in relation to the Star Trek TOS music, or sound effects. I don't remember exactly where it was, or what the gist of the discussion was, but I just came across something very interesting concerning US copyright laws!
The copyright on music states that any copyright will survive the death of the composer for a period not less than 50 years! The COMPOSER! Now, that means that ONLY James Horner should be allowed to own the copyright on his music, NOT the studios, NOT the recording companies, nobody! Which means that SONY has NO LEGAL RIGHT to claim any of Horner's music, or Michael Jackson's music, or anybody else! Granted, I'm not a big fan of SONY, as you no doubt can tell from my previous statements of hatred towards them, but this is a personal situation, since the Jackson estate also includes ownership of all of the BEATLES music, valued at over 2 billion dollars (US).
If I have read my copyright law correctly, anyone who has a copyright on music that was composed by another, cannot hold onto that copyright, cannot enforce that copyright in a court of law, and all of the rights and ownership to ALL music created by Sir Paul McCartney and John Lennon, would therefore revert BACK to Paul, and John's widow, or his sons!
Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants, if the movie studios no longer can hold onto music created for motion picture use, but would be held by the composer!

Makes the mind boggle! :)

Hehehehehe William

Someplace, we were talking about copyright laws, in relation to the Star Trek TOS music, or sound effects. I don't remember exactly where it was, or what the gist of the discussion was, but I just came across something very interesting concerning US copyright laws!
The copyright on music states that any copyright will survive the death of the composer for a period not less than 50 years! The COMPOSER! Now, that means that ONLY James Horner should be allowed to own the copyright on his music, NOT the studios, NOT the recording companies, nobody! Which means that SONY has NO LEGAL RIGHT to claim any of Horner's music, or Michael Jackson's music, or anybody else! Granted, I'm not a big fan of SONY, as you no doubt can tell from my previous statements of hatred towards them, but this is a personal situation, since the Jackson estate also includes ownership of all of the BEATLES music, valued at over 2 billion dollars (US).
If I have read my copyright law correctly, anyone who has a copyright on music that was composed by another, cannot hold onto that copyright, cannot enforce that copyright in a court of law, and all of the rights and ownership to ALL music created by Sir Paul McCartney and John Lennon, would therefore revert BACK to Paul, and John's widow, or his sons!
Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants, if the movie studios no longer can hold onto music created for motion picture use, but would be held by the composer!

Makes the mind boggle! :)

Hehehehehe William

I could be wrong but aren't the copyright on a composition and the copyright on a recording two separate things? So for example Monty Norman owns the James Bond theme, but Eon Productions or United Artists (or whoever paid for recording the Dr No score) owns the very distinctive original recording and can release or withhold it as they choose.

this is closer to the truth, yes. :)

I know, I know, in a PERFECT world! I'm just saying that the way the law is written out, it could be fought in court! Unfortunately, the way it works is that you sign over all of the rights to ANY piece that you create, when you sign a contract with whichever publishing company, or movie studio. Have you ever wondered why so much music gets used all over the place? And now, with rap songs using the original backing tracks from old songs, like 60's Stevie Wonder hits, and "Inagaddadavida" (I just heard that one the other day), because the music companies see a situation where they could make MORE money for using the old songs again. This is what they do, and the composer only gets a small piece of the action, since he/she only WROTE the song. Some don't even get that! There are ALOT of music companies that have not paid a dime to the composers, or artists, and (this is an old story) the respective artists have to take the company into court and sue them for that money that is owed them.
Being on the back end of that deal, I can tell you stories!

Seriously!

William

The composers and music companies seem to be equally vital to each other in a way; without the creativity of the composer the company has no raw material to make a recording from, and without the technical resources and publicity machine of the company the composer just has a sheet of paper that is next to worthless. I'm sure both sides would see their part as being by far the most important. :)

Seriously though, if this is all about the composer's work, why not just re-record all these old unavailable scores and release those? There would be the composer's work available to anyone who wants it, but that doesn't seem to be what most people want. It has to the the exact recording made by the LSO in Abbey Road and used in The Empire Strikes Back, or the exact recording of a jazzy tune from the Spider-Man cartoon. If that is true (and given the craving for original soundtrack recordings on display all over this messageboard I think it could be) then the product that the paying customers want is as much the work of the studio machine as of the composer.

The composer should get his due of course, companies being sly and trying not to pay out money is just what companies do though - and to everyone, not just composers!

...The copyright on music states that any copyright will survive the death of the composer for a period not less than 50 years!

Then again, with language that vague, it could still mean that Sony's copyright expires 50 years after Horner dies. His lifespan doesn't give him the ownership. It just sets the clock ticking for whomever the owner is.

To me, when to comes to downloading from the net, "copyright" means the right to copy. :)

Generally studios keep ownership of the music scores, especially decades ago. Back then the general audience was more into classical music, and would give a score a fair listen and the studios wanted to profit of off performance rights and any other angel the sheet music or tapes could yield.

Also, with ownership, they could track the music into different films and television shows as needed to keep the budget down (this was before AFM rules requiring new scores). That's why it wasn't uncommon to see "The Twilight Zone" scores show up in western TV series, or find "Wagon Train" tracked into "The Virginian".


Now these days the compsoer can request, or have built into their contract, that they retain the rights to their music, but generally they have to buy it from the studio. Graeme Revell said he owned the rights, for example, to his rejected score to "The 13th Warrior" (so, I guess nobody has contacted him to release it legally).

I could be wrong, but I believe with music, you can renew the copyright (I know you can do that with certain other things-- Disney has people waiting the very day, to renew).


Now, this is, again, for America. Different countries have different rules. Gabriel Yared told me that he gets to keep his music overseas. He didn't say, however, if this applies to an American movie recording the score overseas.

i think we can all at least agree that american copyright law is a complete and total clusterfuck

Can someone extract sound effects from Star Trek online game?

Hi Friends,

anyone have the comlete scans fromStar Trek III 2010 release?

YES, the studios can, and do update copyrights all the time, look at what Paramount has done to Star Trek the TV show! Which is amazing, because they recently stated that the TOS series was "still in the red" from 50 years ago! If that is so, why update your original copyright? AND, if there were a fact, why are they dishing out approx 5.7 million dollars a year to Gene Roddenberry, Jr.? They had to pay off Gene seniors FIRST wife, 40 million dollars as a settlement about 12-15 years ago, because Gene and her were still married when Gene did the first pilot! MAN, I need to marry a producer with that kind of power, to get that much money from something that happened almost 60 years ago! Amazing! (of course, my wife would have something to say about that, ehehehehe)

William

I need the cd 2 and 3 from ST TMP in mp3, please!

YES, the studios can, and do update copyrights all the time, look at what Paramount has done to Star Trek the TV show! Which is amazing, because they recently stated that the TOS series was "still in the red" from 50 years ago! If that is so, why update your original copyright? AND, if there were a fact, why are they dishing out approx 5.7 million dollars a year to Gene Roddenberry, Jr.?

Probably because TOS is only a small subset of Star Trek. Royalties on hundreds of episodes of Next Gen, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise, plus eleven movies, and God knows how many Star Trek books, comics, posters, toys, T-shirts and so on are all going to add up to a fair bit each year.



They had to pay off Gene seniors FIRST wife, 40 million dollars as a settlement about 12-15 years ago, because Gene and her were still married when Gene did the first pilot! MAN, I need to marry a producer with that kind of power, to get that much money from something that happened almost 60 years ago! Amazing! (of course, my wife would have something to say about that, ehehehehe)

Yeah, marry a producer, or be a successful composer. Monty Norman is still raking it in for one afternoon's work 50 years ago! :)

Well, Penny, you almost sound like a studio exec, when you talk like that!

William

yeah, only it's completely unfair than john barry hasn't been given a co-writer's credit. i know monty did the original composition, but if you hear it, it is almost unrecognizable. barry's contribution to the theme was vital in its evolution to the recognizable theme we all know and love.

Well, Penny, you almost sound like a studio exec, when you talk like that!

William
No need for that! :) Really though, I'm not sure which part of my post you disagree with; the Star Trek franchise generating a huge amount of money, or producer's wives and composers sometimes getting paid a great deal for doing nothing at all? The first is surely self evident - if franchises don't make money then they won't stay a franchise! If it's the second; well, read on....


yeah, only it's completely unfair than john barry hasn't been given a co-writer's credit. i know monty did the original composition, but if you hear it, it is almost unrecognizable. barry's contribution to the theme was vital in its evolution to the recognizable theme we all know and love.
Yes it seems a bit rough, but is a brilliant arrangement of a piece on a par with composing it in the first place? The case of who composed the James Bond Theme actually went to court in London a few years ago, with Norman and Barry both giving evidence, and exactly who did what was picked apart in detail and the verdict was that Norman alone wrote it. Anyone who says otherwise is very likely to hear from his lawyers! Not surprising that he is keen to hold on to sole ownership because it gives him a nice little income (not sure on the figure, I think the court case mentioned that the royalties were something like �100,000 a year maybe).

A similar situation comes to mind; again about 50 years ago, Ron Grainer wrote the theme for Doctor Who. When he heard the recording of the piece that the staff at the BBC had come up with, he thought his composition had been so enhanced by the arrangers' work that he wanted to give them a co-writer credit. It wasn't allowed for some reason (maybe a procedural problem on the BBC side, or maybe Grainer's agent exploded!).

The point is that Grainer thought a brilliant arrangement WAS on a par with composing a piece, while Monty Norman certainly doesn't! What happened in the five decades after Dr No? John Barry had an illustrious Oscar winning career in movies, was credited with more or less inventing the whole genre of "spy" music, had concerts of his work performed at the Albert Hall, etc etc. Monty Norman picked up royalty cheques for the Bond Theme. I know who I think the winner between the two really was. :)

And you say you are not a studio insider! :)

William

i think if you go back and listen to a lot of the early john barry seven songs and some of barry's early score work, the james bond theme sounds very much like something he would write and arrange, whereas monty norman's music sounds very little like the theme. that's the main basic of my argument that there should be shared writing credit. i know barry's estate really doesn't need the income, and sure it's nice norman gets to capitalize on it through royalty checks, but i think the issue is more about artistic integrity than it is about money

of course the fact that barry is probably my favorite composer does make me a bit biased.

And you say you are not a studio insider! :)

William

Well it hardly takes insider knowledge to see that Star Trek makes a huge amount of money, and that composers get paid over and over for the same piece of work - a very cushy arrangement. I mean, imagine being obliged to send your plumber a fee every time you use the toilet he installed ten years ago - there would be outrage! :)


On the JB/MN rivalry, I don't think there can be any doubt that Barry will be remembered as a giant in the field of film composing and Norman just a one-hit wonder who needed a lot of help to even achieve that. JB wouldn't have needed the money, but it did bother Barry personally that he didn't get a co-writer credit which he felt he deserved on the James Bond Theme, which is a shame.

Hehehehehe, just joking around, Penny, don't take it personally! :)

As a wise man once said, "Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive"! It is so true!

And I agree with you, the studios want to be the only "plumber" on the block that gets a fee 50 years down the line! :)

William

A plumber performs a service, a composer creates an artistic work. Unless we're comparring snaking a toilet to scores like "Rudy" and "Conan the Barbarian".

Whether it be a studio or a label, they are using the artists material, for profit.
You have to pay to perform music (songs, scores) live. You have to pay interest on a loan from a bank. No doubt some of you have encoutnered a friend, family member, of acquaintance that have charged you a fee to borrow something from them (like a lawn mower, or a house hold item, etc.)

A plumber also gets a good fee for his service. Many composers, unless you're John Williams or James Horner), gets paid substancially less, in fact some (even Graeme Revell on rare occassion) do things for free just to establish ties.
And as one composer told me, some studios are giving them a bulk price only -- that has to cover all the expenses (music editors, orchestrators, copyists, the composer's own fee) and if they want anything extra, like a another violinists or a specialty percussion player, they have to shell out from that, often leaving them with little or no money.

Also, you got to understand that money also goes to the AFM.

AND, I forgot to mention in the previous posts, that most composers, and performing artists as well, have to sign a contract giving the studio, or label, exclusive rights to do with your material whatever they damned well want to, and you have NO say in the final desposition of your music! If you don't sign that contract, or try to have your attorney get rid of that VERY important clause, then your music goes NOWHERE! It's like dealing with Lucifer, in many ways.
This is the main reason that I don't allow any of my work to be touched. I am completely happy being an arranger, and doing little tweaks to other composer's works, instead of getting all pissed off, film after film, when the studio brings in someone (like me) to totally screw up my music. I've been yelled at by many composers, many not too well known, but a couple, like Horner, who are! I tell them all the same thing, it's not personal, it's just business, and I have to do what the PTB tell me to do. If they don't like what I've done to their music, take up with THEM, not me!

What are you going to do?

William

I'm at Bolt, and I discovered that all of Izbot's rapidshare links are dead. I've been contacting Izbot, he is very busy.

Seems that alot of Rapidshare links are now gone. Something may be up with them. Don't like it, and RS has been kind of wonky for a couple of months now.

William

Nothing is up with them. They delete links after a month of non-use. No one dl's the link, it dies, is all.

Also, I thought Delia Derbenshire?spelling? was credited as having created the original Doctor Who theme.

No, RS has been going down for a couple of months, acting all wonky. When I would use Jdownloader for a 143meg file, it would show 143megs, and then start the download, the 143 meg would jump to 128KB!!!! and it wouldn't download. When I tried to download that same file without Jdownloader, it would say that there was an error with that file, that I had entered the wrong parameters, and wouldn't download it. Yet I would try it again a couple of days later, no problem! And, that was the same with several different files, from different sites/people.
I know that I'm old (already been called a Geezer once this week) but I'm not totally addleminded! :)

Oh, and here are some ST blueprints for you all, will be adding some LCARS tomorrow!

https://hotfile.com/dl/165818453/4ba7f2d/Blueprints.rar.html

Enjoy, William

I heard a story this week that makes me think the BMI stuff can go a bit too far. The owner of a local (and non-profit) coffee shop has been holding an open mic for a few years. Sparsely attended at times, just a local community gathering in a small college town. Well, he told me this week that BMI has been hassling him for a while to pay royalties for the open mic since copyrighted material is sometimes performed. He doesn't charge to enter, mind you, it is just a little coffee shop that has an open mic. He says they were really leaning hard on them lately, so he now will make it clear no more cover tunes, just originals or copyright-free songs will be performed.

With the money changing hands over the James Bond theme with Monte Norman alone, it seems like bullying to go after some local joint with someone getting the courage to get up with a guitar for the first time and play for 10 minutes with nothing but a few extra lattes being made.

That's my rant on this.

Serya, tell your friend to do his homework! Chances are, that is NOT an agent of, or for BMI!!!! Tell him to check out this person, or persons, next time they hassle him. Tell him/them to give the owner an official "C&D" from the lawfirm handling any BMI interests, with a name, address, phone number, on a legalhead letter. He could also call the local area office of BMI, and find out if his club has been targeted, and he wants to file a complaint!

This is not the first time I have heard of someone getting hassled, and come to find out that the person is not from the music or movie industry! One person, who used to own a chain of video stores was getting paid visits from "men in black" types, stating that they were from a major studio, and he was not allowed to show any movies in his stores, that this was a clear violation of copyright law. These MIBs were actually part of a local christian group that hated the stores, as they had an adult section, and they just wanted to harass the guy, force him to move out of "THEIR" city
Have your friend get all the info on this situation, and I hope that he will find out it's very much something like the video store situation.

Sounds like he caved in before all the facts were in. He may have a very nice lawsuit, like the videostore owner!

William

WHAT??? Nobody liked the blueprints? Well, then let's see if you like THESE:

https://hotfile.com/dl/165918838/67d395e/WT8969A1.rar.html

That's part one of all the LCARS that I have collected over the years. I even have alot of the Motion Picture graphics that Andy Probert and Robert Walker had done up with Lee Cole for the first movie. But some of those are VERY rare and have not been seen by anyone outside of the movie biz, so we shall see what you all think!

Here's part two:

https://hotfile.com/dl/165921458/3ba1405/WT8969B2.rar.html


Enjoy, William

A bit random but I reached Vice Admiral status in STO several days ago and bought the Odyssey Class Cruiser!
How freakin' gorgeous can one ship be?!

To me this ship is 100% canon. This IS the NCC-1701-F!!!
Absolutly stunning piece of pure amazing kick-assness!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q939wUmbmCQ

Wow! ALOT of wasted space on that ship! The hallways are about 15-17 feet across! The STTNG hallways were only about 8-9 feet across, which was a pain, when you had to move some equipment into one of the rooms, and the only access was thru that hallway, and the tiny doors also!

But nice pictures and videos.

William

You are the god of LCARS William!!! Thank you just does not seem enough!! Holly Crap!! I'll have my eyes glued to my monitor for days if not weeks....

And fonts galore!! woohoo And Engineer powerpoint...I can make my own graphs YES!!!

Scott

If I figured that if anyone really needed these things, it'd be you, Grand Shriner Chief Engineer! :)

William

Thanks for the gorgeous imagery, William!

Yes, will just wait till I can upload all of the ANIMATED Lcars! Hehhehehehehe

William

If I figured that if anyone really needed these things, it'd be you, Grand Shriner Chief Engineer! :)

William

Aye!! you know us Engineer's! we are always over worked and under-appreciated! someone has to shovel the coal into the furnace's to power this place and now with all the LCARS I can modernize this place. Warp power at your command Sir!

Scott
Grand Shriner Chief Engineer!

Any TAS graphics/Blueprints in the collection?

hardeharharhehehehehehe

CUTE!!!



Really cute!

William

Thanks William for all the blueprint files, one can never get enough Trek eye candy! Love the bridge layouts also!!!!

Aye!! you know us Engineer's! we are always over worked and under-appreciated! someone has to shovel the coal into the furnace's to power this place and now with all the LCARS I can modernize this place. Warp power at your command Sir!

Scott
Grand Shriner Chief Engineer!


If I figured that if anyone really needed these things, it'd be you, Grand Shriner Chief Engineer! :)

William

You two really need to get a holosuite!

BTW William, damn fine shares with the LCARS and blueprints!

Orgasmic!

I still have all those shots of the Enterprise refit model on file. Do you wantthose reposted? Side by side with the prints, it makes for a hell of a tech manual..

I still have all those shots of the Enterprise refit model on file. Do you wantthose reposted? Side by side with the prints, it makes for a hell of a tech manual..

In a word!! hell Yes!!

Scott

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You two really need to get a holosuite!

BTW William, damn fine shares with the LCARS and blueprints!

Orgasmic!

It wouldn't work!! his wife would object! and my engines would get lonely. :)

Scott

Thank you for this wonderful post. La-La Land is a good company to support.

Well, my wife and I could go into the Hollowsuite with you, and there we could play with the engines from the INSIDE out! Hehehehehehe She just LOVES to tinker with things. She's really amazing at stuff like that, and I'm saying that because she is standing right behind me. Hehehehehe

William

Thanks for the blueprints, William! I noticed the blacking out around the Enterprise-D blueprints leaves out a lot of information (pointing out where things are and such). Luckily, I actually bought these blueprints ages ago when they were originally released. Didn't know there were so many more Trek blueprints out there, though.

Thanks William for the wonderful blueprints. I'm just downloading the LCARS as I type!

Well, my wife and I could go into the Hollowsuite with you, and there we could play with the engines from the INSIDE out! Hehehehehehe She just LOVES to tinker with things. She's really amazing at stuff like that, and I'm saying that because she is standing right behind me. Hehehehehe

William

You indeed have a great marriage William!! Hello Mrs. WilliamTaylor!! you know the old saying "Beside every successful man there is a woman" You got to love a woman that wants to tinker with things :) but for the better!

I hope she does not mind all the oil! could get slippery....LOL

Scott

You indeed have a great marriage William!! Hello Mrs. WilliamTaylor!! you know the old saying "Beside every successful man there is a woman" You got to love a woman that wants to tinker with things :) but for the better!

I hope she does not mind all the oil! could get slippery....LOL

Scott

Hey Scotty, nice new avatar!

Hi Friends,

anyone have the comlete scans fromStar Trek III 2010 release?

Here you go:

Looking for Number One - Artwork.rar download - 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/file/53z1QVm6/Looking_for_Number_One_-_Artwo.html)

pw: katra

Just announced on La La Land Records!!!



Star Trek: The Original Series Soundtrack Collection- Behind the Score - YouTube (http://youtu.be/UA34dfODi4M)

Yep -- the Neil Norman problem has been SOLVED:

FSM Board: PR: La-La Land announces 15CD Star Trek Collection (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=90900&forumID=1&archive=0)

OH, MY GOD!!!!!!!!!

Yeah just saw this announcement, this is gonna be sweet.

It's a dream come true.

Just announced on La La Land Records!!!

Holy crap! Somebody send Osama a parka, because I think hell just froze over.

Thanks...it was time for a change!!!

Woohoooooo!!! Awesome!!!

*out of words*

:D :D :D

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Complete TOS soundtrack announced on Facebook... aaaand bunch of idiots are trashing it.

"That was unnecessary"

"This is just ridiculous. I don't understand a) how there is enough music for this; and b) why anyone needs this. Greedy much, Paramount?"

"There are three songs from that show. The opening sequence. The ending sequence. And the fight music. What's on the other 14 CDs? A spoken word version of the end credits?"

"Soundtrack? I'm assuming this is 15 disc of Trek music??? So is it episodes or music?? Or what. Hard to believe 15 disc of music when every episode opens with the same theme by Desi Arnaz orchestra"

Dumbasses. May they choke on J.J's cock!

Anypony seen this?
Star Trek - Angry Video Game Nerd - Cinemassacre.com - YouTube (http://youtu.be/1CNddEz9dak)
Also, since there's a Star Trek thread, why isn't there a My Little Pony Friendship is Magic Thread?

Also, off of topic, I got the 2400'th post!

Superb! Looking forward to this, I wonder how much it'll cost?

The word is around $200.

Anypony seen this?
Star Trek - Angry Video Game Nerd - Cinemassacre.com - YouTube (http://youtu.be/1CNddEz9dak)
Also, since there's a Star Trek thread, why isn't there a My Little Pony Friendship is Magic Thread?

Also, off of topic, I got the 2400'th post!
Get your pony crap out of this star trek thread now.

Also, I'm uploading the STTMP 3-CD in 320K right now, Finally found a good host.

Well, I am surprised! I had heard that someone was trying to negociate with Neil Norman to reup his recordings, but I never thought that he would EVER give out these recordings, unless LALALAND got them from the composers directly, which is possible. Ralph Miller has been bragging over at the "Phase 2/new generation" site (where he is reworking all those SFX that I gave you here) that he has gotten hold of some of the TOS music, and has been reworking that also into some of the scenes over there!

I hope that LALA is smart enough to not limit the number of copies they will sell, as these are going to blow that whole "Ron Jones" set right out of the freaking water! Hehehehehe :)

I just watched that video on LALALAND's site, and that is MOST impressive! The restoration that they did on the music is off the wall, and the fact that most of the third season music has never seen any release is fantastic. I don't know about one statement they made on that video, however! They said that there is some music from Star Trek TOS, that has NEVER been heard!?!?!?! What are they talking about there? In the video, one of their people is walking down in the music vaults, and using a keycode passcard, and a numberpad to open it with, looking at the original reel to reel "master" recordings, however, I KNOW that what he was holding had to be the two track master, not the music master, since those are long gone. Trust me, I've looked all over, taking DAYS out of my life looking for those original music tapes. I've been over every inch of Paramount, back when they belonged to Gulf and Western! Like I said, if they have access to any music masters, they would have to been in the possession of the composers themselves! But Fred Steiner told both Neil Norman, and myself, that he had NONE of the original music recordings in his possession. And that was back in 1985 or thereabout!

I would really love to learn what their source for this music is, and where exactly that "music vault" is, because that is NOT the Paramount music vault, I can tell you that!




William

By the sound of it, they WILL limit the numbers. They asked if i would buy it, when i put my name on the mailing list, just so they would have an idea on how many copies they would go for... question is: How many copies and how much?

Time to get my piggy bank (s) out.

Get your -snip- out of this star trek thread now.
Sheesh, you're mean. Oh well, rules are rules.

:awsm:

Put my name on the mailing list too.

The word is around $200.

Aw, crap. No way I can afford that. If only they'd release it as individual volumes as well. :(


They said that there is some music from Star Trek TOS, that has NEVER been heard!?!?!?! What are they talking about there?

William

Perhaps unused season 3 re-recordings of season 1/season 2 themes?

You know how they re-recorded Spocks theme, Monster battle and Veena's dance. So perhaps there are more of those.
OR alternate versions of some of the themes as they've indicated that they have access to a lot of alternate takes.


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By the sound of it, they WILL limit the numbers. They asked if i would buy it, when i put my name on the mailing list, just so they would have an idea on how many copies they would go for... question is: How many copies and how much?

Isn't it bit weird that they're unsure it would sell considering some of the obscure stuff they've released?
True, it's a 15 cd set... but it's Star Trek!

Price has been confirmed between $200-225 now. Release is expected late-November. Right now they are shooting for a release between 3000-5000 units.

Well, I am surprised! I had heard that someone was trying to negociate with Neil Norman to reup his recordings, but I never thought that he would EVER give out these recordings, unless LALALAND got them from the composers directly, which is possible. Ralph Miller has been bragging over at the "Phase 2/new generation" site (where he is reworking all those SFX that I gave you here) that he has gotten hold of some of the TOS music, and has been reworking that also into some of the scenes over there!

Maybe -- just speculatory supposition (is that a double negative?) -- Neil saw the writing on the wals. All these Trek releases and the one big ugly BLOT on that history would be HIS name.


I hope that LALA is smart enough to not limit the number of copies they will sell, as these are going to blow that whole "Ron Jones" set right out of the freaking water! Hehehehehe :)

They are smart enough not to make more than they know they can move. MV updated a little bit ago saying that based on the demand so far, maybe 3,000 to 5,000 units -- subject to change, from $200 to $225 (with a target month of November); all subject to change.


They said that there is some music from Star Trek TOS, that has NEVER been heard!?!?!?! What are they talking about there?

Jeff Bond updates saying music written and recorded for episodes, but not used. I would guess, if it's anything like other TV shows and movies:
Alternate cues.
Cues where parts were chopped off or dialed in & out (The GNP "Amok Time" release has a cue noted to contain score not used in the episode) -- still common practices today (I can think of the Warecare chase scene in "Futurama")
Instances where the music wasn't right and the producers had source music/library cues track in instead, or they decided a cue wasn't working and they re-used score from another episode.
Or parts of scenes got deleted, but were scored.


In the video, one of their people is walking down in the music vaults, and using a keycode passcard, and a numberpad to open it with, looking at the original reel to reel "master" recordings, however, I KNOW that what he was holding had to be the two track master, not the music master, since those are long gone. Trust me, I've looked all over, taking DAYS out of my life looking for those original music tapes. I've been over every inch of Paramount, back when they belonged to Gulf and Western! Like I said, if they have access to any music masters, they would have to been in the possession of the composers themselves! But Fred Steiner told both Neil Norman, and myself, that he had NONE of the original music recordings in his possession. And that was back in 1985 or thereabout!

Maybe it was all behind a special door marked something like: "Janitor's Closet -- Authorozed Personnel Only. No 'Taylor's' Allowed". ;-)

In my time here I've been searching old threads looking for older music releases and from what I've been able to piece together the Star Trek The Next Generation Ron Jones Project box set released by FSM caused a huge uproar here and is why FSM uploads are no longer aloud. I hope this set from LLL is not uploaded here until after it sells out because I'd hate to see the same thing happen with LLL uploads getting banned.

I'd love to own this set but it could be awhile before I have a spare 200+ to spend. Late November is to close to Christmas and I have 3 kids buy stuff for; I also can't remember the last time I received a $200 Christmas gift so I doubt anyone would get it for me.

In my time here I've been searching old threads looking for older music releases and from what I've been able to piece together the Star Trek The Next Generation Ron Jones Project box set released by FSM caused a huge uproar here and is why FSM uploads are no longer aloud. I hope this set from LLL is not uploaded here until after it sells out because I'd hate to see the same thing happen with LLL uploads getting banned.

I'd love to own this set but it could be awhile before I have a spare 200+ to spend. Late November is to close to Christmas and I have 3 kids buy stuff for; I also can't remember the last time I received a $200 Christmas gift so I doubt anyone would get it for me.

Thanks I know what to buy you for Christmas George Bailey.

What they did was a huge undertaking -- and MV has a wife and a baby that was only born a few months ago -- his free time, if you're a parent and understand, isn't that much. After all that, to just see it chucked up to Peeje or some such site, well, can piss a guy off. No matter how nice they are.

Is this advertising? I dunno. For all who are in a love-hate relationship with Hollywood (hi there, uh, William):

A Wish For Smish: David Gerrold: Amazon.com: Kindle Store (http://www.amazon.com/A-Wish-For-Smish-ebook/dp/B004O0U9RQ/ref=sr_1_55?ie=UTF8&qid=1344756932&sr=8-55)
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And for everyone who just loves seeing Abe Lincoln fighting Vampires, come on! (Start Exec discussion here:) Don`t you know that heroes ought to start out flawed, so they can be truly heroes? Yeah! Lets see ... who might be the most fucked up individual in history and can attract brainy and mindless audiences?!?! (And he imagine him shoving those letters into his dads mouth, wow! We got a movie!!!!)

Franz Kafka, Superhero!: David Gerrold: Amazon.com: Kindle Store (http://www.amazon.com/Franz-Kafka-Superhero-ebook/dp/B004S837L4/ref=sr_1_29?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1344758613&sr=1-29)

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WHAT??? Nobody liked the blueprints? Well, then let's see if you like THESE:

https://hotfile.com/dl/165918838/67d395e/WT8969A1.rar.html

That's part one of all the LCARS that I have collected over the years. I even have alot of the Motion Picture graphics that Andy Probert and Robert Walker had done up with Lee Cole for the first movie. But some of those are VERY rare and have not been seen by anyone outside of the movie biz, so we shall see what you all think!

Here's part two:

https://hotfile.com/dl/165921458/3ba1405/WT8969B2.rar.html


Enjoy, William
I'll check them out ASAP.

I want it!! I want it!!

Hey, I've always loved David Gerold's stories! If you think that I'VE had some time in the doghouse, over at various studios, read some of David's stuff, starting with the old "Trouble with Tribbles" book. There are stories that most people don't know, or have ever heard about. If I was a studio exec, the LAST person I would want to piss off, would be David, for fear that he would write about the studio, his experiences, or ME! hehehehe There are a number of great books written about working in the studio systems, starting with "the Wizard of Oz" and going forward! The latest book that I've read was "Dean and Me" by Jerry Lewis, which is a fantasticly good read, with a ton of stories about how they both started, and how Dean saved Jerry from getting a beating, and how Jerry saved Dean's life (That's right!), and in the end of the book, Jerry actually admits that HE was the one to blame for their breakup, not Dean! It takes a really big man to admit something like that! He also tells about the last time that he saw Dean, in a resturant in LA, how small and frail Dean had looked, and Jerry was shocked by his appearence, and all about going to Dean's funeral, standing in the back of the church, so he wouldn't distract from the family, and the proceedings. I really developed a whole new respect for this legend of old Hollywood from reading this book, and I would tell anyone to go out and buy the book, or order it from your local library, and READ IT!!! :)

William

Just announced on La La Land Records!!!
Star Trek: The Original Series Soundtrack Collection- Behind the Score - YouTube (http://youtu.be/UA34dfODi4M)

Dear God, I've died and gone to Trek heaven.

Just announced on La La Land Records!!!



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Just announced on La La Land Records!!!



Star Trek: The Original Series Soundtrack Collection- Behind the Score - YouTube (http://youtu.be/UA34dfODi4M)

FANTASTIC NEWS!!!! Couldn't believe it when I saw the news today on trekmovie (although there was some hint a week ago, about some great announcement from La-La-Land, which some speculated could be a TOS music release!)

Now, after 30 years of waiting, we finally get our HOLY GRAIL, Veri, my friend! While going through the comments on trekmovie.com and the FSM Board, I was playing your bootleg from "Elaan of Troyius", just to get into the mood. ;)

Now, if I'll be able to get hold of this Box (and can afford it in the first place!), that will be the pinnacle of my soundtrack collection! There will never, ever be another score on my wish list comparable to this one!!

Nevertheless, thank you, Veri, for giving us the next best thing to this La-La-Land release before: your complete bootleg collection, which gave us a great listening experience in the best possible way so far! I will definitely keep your mp3's in my trek collection!

Best regards
Soundtrekker

I think that they will sell out of these sets on preorder. There was a post here I read that said Neil over at GNP had ordered 40,000 of one of the Star Trek music CDs and had sold out of those. I think this set will really put LaLaland records far above FSM or VS. This will be a feather in their cap, for sure.

As per request: the booklet scans from ST II (expanded):

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I think that they will sell out of these sets on preorder. There was a post here I read that said Neil over at GNP had ordered 40,000 of one of the Star Trek music CDs and had sold out of those. I think this set will really put LaLaland records far above FSM or VS. This will be a feather in their cap, for sure.


I doubt it will make a ripple in the larger picture. It's too big, and too expensive. Even havien got it for free, I can't absorb the RJ set. Just too much there. This will be the same. It's an extreme collector's item, not a general public thing.

I doubt it will make a ripple in the larger picture. It's too big, and too expensive. Even havien got it for free, I can't absorb the RJ set. Just too much there. This will be the same. It's an extreme collector's item, not a general public thing.

Yes, it's extreme, for sure, but other than the RJ set, this one is directed at the older fans of classic trek, who for the most part are much older than the NG fans, and may very well have the money for this! And, don't underestimate the demand for the TOS set - I have a feeling it will sell out very quickly. It was a wise move from La-La-Land to make a market analysis before deciding on the number of copies.

Make no mistake, this IS the HOLY GRAIL for classic trekkers!

All too true, Soundtrekker! When LALALAND brought out the extended score from "1941" on two CDs, I was so impressed with the product that I actually bought TWO sets, keeping one in my safe, along with my other precious recordings! As they say, "one to use, and one to lose", but I sure as HELL will not be losing that score! :)

On the TOS score, I think that they will sell out on preorder as well! Neil was on his EIGHTH printing of the first release of "The cage/where no man has gone" and his SIXTH printing of the "TOS sound effects" CDs! That's 80,000 of the first TOS soundtrack, and 60,000 of the TOSSFX! Now, that was in 1996 or 1997, no telling where his sales are now, but I know that he has lost a BIG customer when "Tower" records filed BK, because they ordered alot of his stuff! (wouldn't it be a shame for Neil to get his little house in Malibu foreclosed on? Hehehehe)

I, for one, will be getting at least two sets of this one. One for the safe as well! :)

William

All too true, Soundtrekker! When LALALAND brought out the extended score from "1941" on two CDs, I was so impressed with the product that I actually bought TWO sets, keeping one in my safe, along with my other precious recordings! As they say, "one to use, and one to lose", but I sure as HELL will not be losing that score! :)

On the TOS score, I think that they will sell out on preorder as well! Neil was on his EIGHTH printing of the first release of "The cage/where no man has gone" and his SIXTH printing of the "TOS sound effects" CDs! That's 80,000 of the first TOS soundtrack, and 60,000 of the TOSSFX! Now, that was in 1996 or 1997, no telling where his sales are now, but I know that he has lost a BIG customer when "Tower" records filed BK, because they ordered alot of his stuff! (wouldn't it be a shame for Neil to get his little house in Malibu foreclosed on? Hehehehe)

I, for one, will be getting at least two sets of this one. One for the safe as well! :)

William

8th printing of the "Cage/WNM" CD? Wow, that's impressive. I myself got hold of it when it was available in Germany, I bought it first as LP (I still have it!). I bought all the other early stuff on LP (and later on CD), including the Fred Steiner re-recordings from Varese and the two volumes from Label X with the Tony Bremner re-recordings. That were my most valuable LP's/CD's of the 80ies and 90ies. Little did I know what we would be facing in 2012!

So you will purchase two sets of the TOS collection? I envy you. For me, here in Europe, it will be very hard or nearly impossible to get it - and the price tag of 200 $ is more than what I can afford in this short a time - I have a family, you know! ;) Now if I were single and 25 again, earning my first money, I wouldn't hesitate a second - hell, when I was 20, I had bought 4 TOS episodes on 8 mm film (!), including a projector just to play them! (That was before the first bunch of episodes were released on VHS!) There was a little shop in Birmingham/England called "Andromeda", where I bought them. I still have them ("Catspaw", "Shore Leave", "Tomorrow is Yesterday" and "The Galileo Seven"). They cost a lot, several hundred British pounds, but I had worked hard then to earn the money myself to be able to buy them! And, I didn't have a girlfriend then, which helped! ;)

Now, I hope that at least, a download will be available here, after the sets are sold, of course! Maybe even in flac, and including the Jeff Bond booklet (which will be more like a book, with 100 pages!) That would be great, to be able to play all those TOS cues, and reading the always competent and entertaining comments by this mega-expert on all things trek! Truly, a HOLY GRAIL! Can't wait!! And, it's somehow consoling to know that at least you will have it in your safe! *hint, hint* ;)

Well, like Scotty told Kirk, when he found out Sulu had a family "If it's important, you MAKE the time"! If you think that the TOS set is important, you FIND the money! :) Fortunately for me, I have a most understanding wife, and I BRIBE my children, hehehehehe!

One thing that came to my attention: with an average of 25-30 minutes of music per episode, and 80 episodes, are they going to be able to fit ALL the music, plus extras on only 15 discs? Something seems amiss with this situation here. I know there was alot of rehashed music, especially on the third season, but still, discounting that, with the first two seasons, over 50 episodes, 25 minutes per would still take over 20 discs! Let me know what you think.

To slightly change the subject, I had a very strange dream last night! I was watching the 2009 Star Trek movie with dinner last night, the kids are away at a summer thing all week, and my wife had a "thing" to do last night ("Why is anything we don't understand always called a "Thing"?) so I was on my own for the night. When I awoke this morning, I remembered having a dream where, in the new movie, it was "Captain James R. Kirt"! NOT "James T. KIRK", and I laid there thinking, "Well, it's a good thing that they didn't mess around with the names, like some others have done with OTHER movies, and stuff like that! We could have had Commander Speck, or chief engineer Snotty! (God, don't get me started)
I guess that was just my subconscience rebelling against people messing with anything that we know for FACT! I remember, in the dream, looking on the internet, and seeing that EVERYWHERE had "Captain Kirt" (I wonder if it was starring "William Slapner"?) hehehehehe

As the man says, "Hey, Shat happens" :)

William

Well, like Scotty told Kirk, when he found out Sulu had a family "If it's important, you MAKE the time"! If you think that the TOS set is important, you FIND the money! :) Fortunately for me, I have a most understanding wife, and I BRIBE my children, hehehehehe!

One thing that came to my attention: with an average of 25-30 minutes of music per episode, and 80 episodes, are they going to be able to fit ALL the music, plus extras on only 15 discs? Something seems amiss with this situation here. I know there was alot of rehashed music, especially on the third season, but still, discounting that, with the first two seasons, over 50 episodes, 25 minutes per would still take over 20 discs! Let me know what you think.



Oh, that's an easy one, for once! You see, there will only be ORIGINAL music on the box set, not re-used, tracked music who re-appear in different episodes. There are, roughly, about 33 episodes who got almost completely new music, a handful got a few minutes of new music, and the rest (roughly 40+ episodes) had previously composed tracks only! There's an interesting posting at trekmovie.com, by "HarryMudd.com", who goes further into the details:

" 108. HarryMudd.com - August 12, 2012

Look at the list below. Of the 79 episodes of the original series (80 if you count �The Cage�), there were 33 with significant amounts of new, orchestral music.

This is NOT counting various re-recordings such as was done for �The Tholian Web.� It�s also not counting Uhura playing Trelane�s harpsichord in �The Squire of Gothos,� nor Spock�s playing the piano in �Requiem for Methuselah,� nor the songs in �The Way to Eden.� That�s not even counting episodes that had small amounts of new music, such as �The Omega Glory� and �Patterns of Force.�

33/80 means that over 40% of the original series had significant amounts of new, and mostly compelling music. Even an abysmal episode like �And the Children Shall Lead� had music that when reused in �Day of the Dove� was suddenly revealed to be quite good.

Many thanks to everyone at La La Land Records for all their hard work in putting the set together! I�ve been waiting years for this.

01) The Cage
02) Where No Man Has Gone Before
03) The Corbomite Maneuver
04) Mudd�s Women
05) The Enemy Within
06) The Man Trap
07) The Naked Time
08) Charlie X
09) Balance of Terror
10) What Are Little Girls Made Of?
11) The Conscience of the King
12) Shore Leave
13) The City on the Edge of Forever
14) Catspaw
15) Metamorphosis
16) Friday�s Child
17) Who Mourns for Adonais?
18) Amok Time
19) The Doomsday Machine
20) Mirror, Mirror
21) I, Mudd
22) The Trouble With Tribbles
23) By Any Other Name
24) Return To Tomorrow
25) Spectre of the Gun
26) Elaan of Troyius
27) The Paradise Syndrome
28) The Enterprise Incident
29) And the Children Shall Lead
30) Spock�s Brain
31) Is There In Truth No Beauty?
32) The Empath
33) Plato�s Stepchildren"

Another intesting dialogue between some posters, including an answer from Jeff Bond:

"86. Shatoupee - August 11, 2012
I read on another forum that the �library cues� (re-recordings of original music tracks used in subsequent episodes) are included in this set. Awesome! What about the Brahm�s Lullaby, Uhura playing the piano for Trelane (Roses from the South, I think is the title), Uhura singing about Spock and Charlie in Charlie X, Uhura singing Beyond Antares in Conscience of the King, Spock singing Bitter Dregs, Goodnight Sweetheart on the radio in City on the Edge of Forever, etc.?
Are all original track titles, as named by the composer, known?

87. darendoc - August 11, 2012
I think it�s clear in Jeff Bond�s statement� �Every piece of music recorded for the original series� � :)

88. Jeff Bond - August 11, 2012
Yes�and if all goes well everything you mentioned will be on the set. Every piece of music recorded for the series is included.
�Star Trek DID track its music from season to season�the first 8 episodes or so would get original music, then that music would be sliced and diced for the remainder of the season. Then in the next season, a few of those cues might be rerecorded with variations or different tempos. So there will be three or four CDs of library music but 9 or 10 CDs of original scores written for specific episodes�something like 17 hours of total music."

Later on, Jeff Bond added these details:

" 122. Jeff Bond - August 12, 2012
TV music of the 60s was always broadcast in mono. We do have some stereo material on the album but the majority was mixed to mono and those are the sources we have�however it all sounds stupendous, far better than any original Trek music that�s ever been released�believe me, even in that big hall we announced the set in, the music sounded great.
There are about 30 episodes of Star Trek with music scores recorded for them. And we do include all the library music recorded for the series, so yes, there are variations of some of the same music�but that is in the minority and we�re still talking at least a dozen CDs of totally original music in the set with the rest devoted to library cues and source music (and some musically created sound effects)."

And regarding the earlier GNP releases having stereo sound, he answered a poster who desperately wanted to be the new set also being in stereo:

" 139. Jeff Bond - August 13, 2012
... the GNP albums were in �false stereo,� which I believe is just creating a microscopic delay or something between two identical tracks of music.
... no one involved in this project �chose� whether to release this music in stereo or mono. We used the elements that were available�mono elements were released as mono, stereo elements were released as stereo. Any �decisions� regarding the stereo or non-stereo status of those elements were made almost half a century ago, so even praying to your god isn�t going to alter those facts."

Finally, a post from Jeff Bond which made me almost getting a heart attack (couldn't first believe what he wrote, but it somehow made sense, in a perverse way...):

"144. Jeff Bond - August 13, 2012
Like I said, we have some stereo material, but the bulk of it is mono, and in great sound as far as I�m concerned. Another thing: part of the agreement with the union back in the day was that all recorded music would be DESTROYED at the end of each season in order to prevent it from being tracked into subsequent seasons. Obviously this was ignored in many many cases�but the point is we�re lucky to have this music available at all. A lot of people have worked very hard to make this sound as good as it possibly can and I think the results are terrific�this is a historic release, as I don�t believe any television series�s music has been so completely preserved the way this release does it."

That should sum up the essential facts, and should suffice to answer your question, William! ;)

In my time here I've been searching old threads looking for older music releases and from what I've been able to piece together the Star Trek The Next Generation Ron Jones Project box set released by FSM caused a huge uproar here and is why FSM uploads are no longer aloud. I hope this set from LLL is not uploaded here until after it sells out because I'd hate to see the same thing happen with LLL uploads getting banned.

I'd love to own this set but it could be awhile before I have a spare 200+ to spend. Late November is to close to Christmas and I have 3 kids buy stuff for; I also can't remember the last time I received a $200 Christmas gift so I doubt anyone would get it for me.
x2

i hope more restraint is shown this time.

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Nevertheless, thank you, Veri, for giving us the next best thing to this La-La-Land release before: your complete bootleg collection, which gave us a great listening experience in the best possible way so far! I will definitely keep your mp3's in my trek collection!
same here. a lot of work and love went into that boot. sfx and all, i will keep it, even after i own the new box

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so when they say every piece of music, i assume that includes adam and the space hippies' jam sessions :rofldata:

Very many thanks; much appreciated.

hope we can all keep it on the down low, only PMs for awhile, till the first rush sells out! That would be nice.

hope we can all keep it on the down low, only PMs for awhile, till the first rush sells out! That would be nice.

Well, as long as we are just discussing the TOS box release, I see no problem. But you're right, we should tone it down a bit, and for news and/or discussions there are many more possibilites, like trekmovie.com or the fsm boards! ;)

That actually sounds like a very good idea, we don't want a repeat of that whole "Ron Jones" debacle, would not be good for anyone. I think that we should set some ground rules, here on the board, to prevent anyone jumping onto that subject, that would draw un-needed attention from you know who! :)

Of course, if someone does jump on that subject, he/she can always edit their post, once someone sends them a PM!

William

Personally, i will buy that Box or simply not have the music. They deserve that AND i want some DS9 releases also, no matter who holds the rights, the Box making good money, it raises our chances.

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To slightly change the subject, I had a very strange dream last night!
William

I can't help myself but i simply like the new Spore Trek and Battlefork Antarctica,
not to mention Bud Snodgers, Scar Bores, Sperminator and Latex and Ani-Latex!!!

WHOA! I think that I just had a "TZ" moment! :)

Hehehehehe

Captain William R. Curt :)

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Thanks Zoran :)

Scott

Thanks Zoran

Very nice. Can never have too much LCARS!

Thanks Zoran.

very lovely, thanks.

Thanks, Zoran

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Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise (revised edition)
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Star Trek Next Generation Technical Journal
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Made some captivating Edits of of the more action oriented tracks of the Enterprise Series Promos (Brian Tyler and Velton Ray Bunch), drawing together multiple tracks parts into new, lengthier tracks.
I use these to play as Battle music in Skyrim RolePlayingGame, LOL. The edits are flawless with some good sound enhancements also, making the music more cinematic. I bet u like:


EDITS.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/?zr1iuqnsprttk1m)

PASSWORD: BOB

PS: Tracks are not named according to the original source, but you know the music you will have no problem recognizing the original.

Please tell me what you think folks! OR JUST PUT A "LIKE" HERE (thumbs up) briggin' :D

Thank You Zoran!!! always a pleasure to read another tech manual! especially the 24 Century tech journal one...I need it for this shuttle ;) now maybe I can find out how to flush the toilet in this thing (makes my journey a little easier when I don't have to stop at every habitable planet looking for a latrine or tree! it's ruff when you get old, can't seem to hold it as long!!) hehehehehe

Scott

p.s. great web site Zoran!!

That actually sounds like a very good idea, we don't want a repeat of that whole "Ron Jones" debacle, would not be good for anyone. I think that we should set some ground rules, here on the board, to prevent anyone jumping onto that subject, that would draw un-needed attention from you know who! :)

Of course, if someone does jump on that subject, he/she can always edit their post, once someone sends them a PM!

William


Sorry, but none of you have the right to do ground rules nor pm anyone. The board allows anything not from a banned label to be posted, and that is the bottom line. Pm'ing anyone to edit their post is a clear case of harrassment, and not allowed by this site's TOS.

EDIT:

I agree with you, but it is for mods to take that action. I am only saying this because the actions you are talking about will start a wave of anger and flaming, and negativity of the sort that will get this thread locked or edited. You all KNOW that.

My suggestion is to petition the mods to get the set on the do not share list for now. THAT would solve the sitch without the fights.

And I truly appreciate that, Amanda, I was just trying to avoid that whole mess we had over the RJ stuff, which actually was a banned label, but still......

Glad to see you back, and how are you feeling?

William

RIP William Windom, a.k.a. Commodore Decker from "The Doomsday Machine". My favorite TOS episode.

William Windom Dead: Comedic Actor Dies At 88 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/william-windom-dead-comedic-actor-dies-88_n_1813357.html)

I read awhile back that he was still active in some of the fan-produced episodes (New Voyages perhaps) well into his mid 80s.

I read awhile back that he was still active in some of the fan-produced episodes (New Voyages perhaps) well into his mid 80s.

Yes, see at 11:30 - 14:15:
Star Trek New Voyages - 4x01 - In Harm's Way - Directors Cut - Subtitles - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVCXw1xJFJ4)

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Well, he was very overweight, and had lived a good long life. I'm just surprised that Shatner's lasted so long, the abuse he puts his body through. It's amazing to me, that people like Walter (Chekov) had worked out every day, did pushups, didn't drink (much) and didn't smoke, yet he still had to have a heart bypass installed, and Shatner just keeps going and going! Amazing! :)
We should create a list of all of Trekdom that has passed, and who is still around, even the support players, like the woman who died recently, who was the singer on the main TOS theme. At one point, at the conventions, Majel tried to convince people that was actually her singing!
It was a opera singer, Loulie Jean Norman, who, by the way, was the voice of the opera singing ghost in the "Haunted Mansion" ride at Disneyland! You can google her name and it will take you to several sites of info on her.

I was never a fan of William Windom's acting, I thought (especially after that hack job he did on "Doomsday machine") that he was a very poor actor, just like Shatner, and without TREK, neither one of them would have been noticed all that much. Windom had only one starring role on TV, and then only appeared in guest spots on various shows, lastly appearing on the New Voyages netisode, reprising his "Decker" role, who (it seems) didn't really die after blowing up in the shuttle, trying to kill himself, suffering from grief over the loss of his crew. Some of the storylines on that New Voyages site are really lame, even the one written by Dorothy Fontana, who was a writer on the original TOS TREK! But then again, look at who is in charge of the production of that series of netisodes! Mr. EGO himself, James T. Presley! :) (Hehehehehehe)

William

Well, he was very overweight, and had lived a good long life. I'm just surprised that Shatner's lasted so long, the abuse he puts his body through. It's amazing to me, that people like Walter (Chekov) had worked out every day, did pushups, didn't drink (much) and didn't smoke, yet he still had to have a heart bypass installed, and Shatner just keeps going and going! Amazing! :)

Well, he's the SHAT, period! ;)

Regarding William Windom: I think, saying he was a poor actor is a little bit harsh; yes, he wasn't Marlon Brando (neither is Shatner), but without actors like Windom, who, after all, at least was a decent actor, you wouldn't have anybody supporting the starring actors. It's like in sports: You have 1 or 2 stars, and the rest is supporting the stars - that's what they are meant to do!

Finally, speaking of Star Trek Phase II (earlier known as New Voyages): yes, the stories are of varying quality, but even TOS had its clunkers (Miri, Alternative Factor, Spock's Brain, Way to Eden)! And speaking of James Cawley: without him, the whole project wouldn't be the same, he is the driving force behind most of its production values: sets, costumes, and he invests his money into the series! Yes, the acting sucks more often than not, but, hey, they are amateurs, what do you expect? But they give their best, and for that they deserve at least respect and appreciation. And who knows, after stepping down as Captain Kirk, Cawley found another actor playing Kirk, and that one is a professional actor named Brian Gross. And if Cawley manages to find even more professional actors, the whole project may become even more professional looking. Time will tell...

BTW, today I found this on the Star Trek New Voyages forum:

Question about Phase II music / soundtrack (http://forums.startreknewvoyages.com/index.php?topic=12190.0)

Basically, someone is asking how the New Voyages production crew has managed to score their episodes with unreleased original tracks of TOS, and he gets the answer that a certain Ralph Miller is responsible, having access to "the original 3 track recordings". William, do you know more about that? I seem to remember, you have mentioned his name before. Are his sources of original trek cues somehow related to the source La-La-Land had for its 15-CD release? Or are the "Miller Files" of lesser quality? The cues as heard in New Voyages had always irritated me, as they, at least in several instances, where clear, FX- and dialogue-free cues of not-before-released original cues!

Well, you are most certainly correct, without Windom to support the poor acting talents of Shatner, where would we be? :)

As for Crawley, I do appreciate all the hard work, using his own money and hammering out netisodes about once a year or so, I just feel that more dedicated persons could be found for quality control so the end result wouldn't be such a joke. And that's the major problem with the whole thing, is that many TREK fans out there think that it's a total waste of time, and not worth downloading and viewing. Mr. Crawley just considers them to be a small section of "Unbelievers", and not noteworthy. He's just like Steven Segal, not aware that his whole "career" is a total joke, and is in serious need of a total revamp. But since you say there's a new Kirk coming onboard (I don't follow their news) then perhaps the acting may get better, but I have my doubts.

As for Mr. Miller, he has a two track copy of the TOS episode "That which survives", which has music on one track, and vocals and FX on the other. No doubt this is where he was getting the remixed music from, NOT a "3 track master", and he does NOT have any VIP access to the vaults at Paramount, like he has claimed on their own little message board! The guy works for the US postal service, painting those corner post boxes you see on the streets. The only connection he has to the studio is through Mr. Crawley, and his limited contacts at the studios.

The last time I attempted to get access to the "master tapes" at Paramount, I was informed that there were only "2 track masters" being held onto in their vaults! This came from a person who would know for sure. I knew that many of the music 1 track masters were gone, because Greg Jein had aquired about 13 or 14 episodes, and had done a deal with Neil Norman many years ago, so that the music could be released! But Neil screwed over Greg Jein as well, and only released 2 of the 13-14 episodes.

The studio, back in the 60's would erase the tapes, after a period of time, or toss them in the trash, or they could get stolen by recording techs to erase for their own private use. This is what happened to all the master vocal tracks as well. One reel was saved from the trash, and that turned into the "Star Trek Bloopers" record, that was released by a man named "Harry Friedenberg", who had a bunch of bootleg records, including "War of the worlds" score, the first time that was released in the late 70's. Harry would print up about 500 records of any given title and he made a small bundle on the Star Trek Blooper record, selling over 2000 copies of that one! :)
But that is what you are dealing with, regarding all these old recordings. The studio feels that maintaining the original 2 tracks is good enough for TREK, and all other copies are gone or in private collections somewhere!


William

Well, you are most certainly correct, without Windom to support the poor acting talents of Shatner, where would we be? :)

As for Crawley, I do appreciate all the hard work, using his own money and hammering out netisodes about once a year or so, I just feel that more dedicated persons could be found for quality control so the end result wouldn't be such a joke. And that's the major problem with the whole thing, is that many TREK fans out there think that it's a total waste of time, and not worth downloading and viewing. Mr. Crawley just considers them to be a small section of "Unbelievers", and not noteworthy. He's just like Steven Segal, not aware that his whole "career" is a total joke, and is in serious need of a total revamp. But since you say there's a new Kirk coming onboard (I don't follow their news) then perhaps the acting may get better, but I have my doubts.

As for Mr. Miller, he has a two track copy of the TOS episode "That which survives", which has music on one track, and vocals and FX on the other. No doubt this is where he was getting the remixed music from, NOT a "3 track master", and he does NOT have any VIP access to the vaults at Paramount, like he has claimed on their own little message board! The guy works for the US postal service, painting those corner post boxes you see on the streets. The only connection he has to the studio is through Mr. Crawley, and his limited contacts at the studios.

The last time I attempted to get access to the "master tapes" at Paramount, I was informed that there were only "2 track masters" being held onto in their vaults! This came from a person who would know for sure. I knew that many of the music 1 track masters were gone, because Greg Jein had aquired about 13 or 14 episodes, and had done a deal with Neil Norman many years ago, so that the music could be released! But Neil screwed over Greg Jein as well, and only released 2 of the 13-14 episodes.

The studio, back in the 60's would erase the tapes, after a period of time, or toss them in the trash, or they could get stolen by recording techs to erase for their own private use. This is what happened to all the master vocal tracks as well. One reel was saved from the trash, and that turned into the "Star Trek Bloopers" record, that was released by a man named "Harry Friedenberg", who had a bunch of bootleg records, including "War of the worlds" score, the first time that was released in the late 70's. Harry would print up about 500 records of any given title and he made a small bundle on the Star Trek Blooper record, selling over 2000 copies of that one! :)
But that is what you are dealing with, regarding all these old recordings. The studio feels that maintaining the original 2 tracks is good enough for TREK, and all other copies are gone or in private collections somewhere!


William

Why does all this sound so familiar....... The BBC did the same with Doctor Who. It was Lucky that the Radiophonic Workshop made audio recordings of any of the shows that their work was in, otherwise all the reclaimed dubbed episodes from other countries would not have the original English soundtracks (because they recorded over the original video tape recordings!!!!!!!!). Do you know that some episodes that have been recovered that were historical stories, and thus did not contain the work of the wonderful Radiophonic Workshop, now have a soundtracks that were recorded by fans off air with a microphone in front of the TV speaker. Same old Sh*t different corporation. So I understand your feelings William 100%

:DH.T.A.P.:D

PCM

Buying this day one. This is a set that I have wished for for ages now.

HOLY MOLY!!! I cannot FREAKIN believe it!!! Nearly 100 pages, and almost 2500 posts!!!! It's gotta be a world's TREK record! :) :) :) :)

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William

Wow. I came to this thread after doing a Google search for the Complete Scores Project which was mentioned on trekmovie.com's site. I had no idea there was so much history in the music of Star Trek. Yeah, I know a little bit - GNP, Neil Norman, etc., but the extent of it all can fill a book. Someone should get on that.

A bit about me - I've been a soundtrack collector as long as I can remember and a Star Trek fan from when I used to watch it on NBC with my dad. I used to be on the old Hotline servers, one in particular was huge on soundtracks. I think it was called Hyrule or something. Since then, a lot of the then-bootlegs have come out as legit expanded CDs. I'm happy to see that TOS is finally getting the release it deserves. A note about me - I buy everything if it exists commercially. Support the artists!

Shame about the TAS music. I still love it, even though it's not up to par with TOS and such. Maybe it's more nostalgia than anything.

Anyway, this isn't my first time here, it's just that it's been years since I was here with my original account, I couldn't remember my old login so I had to make a new one.

Looking forward to being here a while.

Wow. I came to this thread after doing a Google search for the Complete Scores Project which was mentioned on trekmovie.com's site. I had no idea there was so much history in the music of Star Trek. Yeah, I know a little bit - GNP, Neil Norman, etc., but the extent of it all can fill a book. Someone should get on that.

A bit about me - I've been a soundtrack collector as long as I can remember and a Star Trek fan from when I used to watch it on NBC with my dad. I used to be on the old Hotline servers, one in particular was huge on soundtracks. I think it was called Hyrule or something. Since then, a lot of the then-bootlegs have come out as legit expanded CDs. I'm happy to see that TOS is finally getting the release it deserves. A note about me - I buy everything if it exists commercially. Support the artists!

Shame about the TAS music. I still love it, even though it's not up to par with TOS and such. Maybe it's more nostalgia than anything.

Anyway, this isn't my first time here, it's just that it's been years since I was here with my original account, I couldn't remember my old login so I had to make a new one.

Looking forward to being here a while.

Welcome onboard, macdev! Nice to have a fellow "soundtrekker" around, like me (that's a trek fan who happens to also be a soundtrack collector, of course!). Looking forward to your input! ;)

Yes, I saw the comments on trekmovie regarding the "Complete Scores Project", which was a huge undertaking by "Verisimilitude", who also has an account here on the shrine and uploaded his files here and on a private torrent site a while ago.

And like you, I'm also very excited about the new release!

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HOLY MOLY!!! I cannot FREAKIN believe it!!! Nearly 100 pages, and almost 2500 posts!!!! It's gotta be a world's TREK record! :) :) :) :)

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William

Very funny! That must be the rabbit from "Shore Leave", together with his 8 brothers! But where's Alice?

Welcome onboard, macdev! Nice to have a fellow "soundtrekker" around, like me (that's a trek fan who happens to also be a soundtrack collector, of course!). Looking forward to your input! ;)

Yes, I saw the comments on trekmovie regarding the "Complete Scores Project", which was a huge undertaking by "Verisimilitude", who also has an account here on the shrine and uploaded his files here and on a private torrent site a while ago.

And like you, I'm also very excited about the new release!

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Very funny! That must be the rabbit from "Shore Leave", together with his 8 brothers! But where's Alice?

Lancelot and Tiger Lilly got her!

Lancelot and Tiger Lilly got her!

Welcome to the mayhem olafolaf!! good to see your not a shy one...more input the better :)

Scott

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Congratulations William!!


Scott

As for Mr. Miller, he has a two track copy of the TOS episode "That which survives", which has music on one track, and vocals and FX on the other. No doubt this is where he was getting the remixed music from, NOT a "3 track master", and he does NOT have any VIP access to the vaults at Paramount, like he has claimed on their own little message board! The guy works for the US postal service, painting those corner post boxes you see on the streets. The only connection he has to the studio is through Mr. Crawley, and his limited contacts at the studios.

The last time I attempted to get access to the "master tapes" at Paramount, I was informed that there were only "2 track masters" being held onto in their vaults! This came from a person who would know for sure. I knew that many of the music 1 track masters were gone, because Greg Jein had aquired about 13 or 14 episodes, and had done a deal with Neil Norman many years ago, so that the music could be released! But Neil screwed over Greg Jein as well, and only released 2 of the 13-14 episodes.


So Ralph Miller basically just was able to use the tracked episode "That Which Survives" for underscoring "New Voyages"? (Apart, of course, from the GNP cues) That's odd, because in the fan episode "Blood and Fire", in the teaser you can clearly hear music from Fred Steiner, composed for "Elaan of Troyius", which was never released on CD before (The "Klingon Attack" cues, in this case). They seem to me FX/dialogue-free. Here's the trailer of that episode (3:48), containing the "Klingon attack" cues from "Elaan of Troyius" (besides, you may note the improved production values, compared to the earlier "New Voyages" episodes - they have clearly improved!):

Star Trek Phase II "Blood and Fire Pt. 1" Teaser - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHL36D5c9Dw)

And no, this music, if I recall correctly, wasn't used in "That Which Survives" (there are no Klingons attacking in that episode, just Losira touching our crewmen to kill them, which demanded other cues). So, I'm not convinced he hadn't other sources available.

As for those 13/14 episodes from Greg Jein: were those first generation masters? And if so, was La-La-Land able to get access to them? Or had they only access to back-up copies of those? There's an interesting posting from Lukas Kendall at the FSM forum, which does elaborate on this matter further (I don't know if it answers my question, though, I don't have the knowledge to draw the right conclusions from it, but you may, William):

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Posted: Aug 21, 2012 - 10:23 PM
By: Lukas Kendall (Member)

The source for the box set are the 1/4" full-track monaural mixes made of the complete scoring sessions—which is to say, every recorded take, including outtakes and false starts. These 1/4" tapes were dubbed to 1/4" library or "backup" rolls of solely the master takes (we had access to those as well, for the odd instance of damaged or missing cues from the first-generation tapes), and then to acetate disc for the music editors to use in selecting cues for the "tracked" episodes. There were also 35mm mag rolls made of the cues for production use, which no longer survive—these would be built into the dubbing units for mixing the final show. It is not clear to me whether the 35mm mag rolls were three-track stereo or mono, but they were probably mono, because there would be no reason for them to be in stereo, and the 1/4" rolls were used as safety masters to create new 35mm mag copies as needed for production (as evidenced by notatations on the track lists, e.g. "print 2 35mm copies"). There are some exciting odds and ends in stereo which will be revealed in due course as La La Land reveals the track list. But there is no evidence that this stuff ever existed in stereo.

One last note: you may find mention of "three track 35mm master soundtracks" used by the studio to create new DVDs, blurays, etc. These refer to the split-track dialogue/music/effects (which do exist, and are synched to the final show) and NOT to any L-C-R music masters.

Lukas
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Finally, you say, Neil Norman just released 2 of the 13-14 episodes, but he released 3 volumes with 6 episodes! Or was this Greg/Norman deal done after Vol. 1 and 2? Then it makes sense, of course!

I would like to know which those 13-14 episodes exactly are. If those were, indeed, first generation masters, I hope La-La-Land was able to use them - maybe they managed to have a deal with Norman?

Most interesting stuff! As I had said previously, I know very little about the technical side of music recording, however I had an idea that there had to be more than just the ONE copy of the recording sessions. If Paramount only has the original 2 track masters, then what LALA is getting access to, must be stored elsewhere! I know that you can find all the original sheet music on file over at ASCAP, and in a second location over at BMI as well! I wanted to xerox off copies of all of that stuff, but alas, it is NOT allowed! :(
So, if they have access to these recording sessions, then they will have a TON of stuff that will not be released on this set! Which is good news, to be sure. :)

Yes, the LAST two TOS music releases from Neil were the Greg Jein deal! If you notice a difference in music quality from the earlier stuff, then you will know which ones came from Greg. I would hope that Neil is co-operating with LALA on this deal!

Since you have pointed out specifically which episode the new voyages music was from, then you know that Ralph Miller also had access, thru ME, to the music tracks from "Elaan of Troyius", which I had posted a poor copy from cassette earlier on, here on this site. Perhaps you can find the specific music he used from that copy. Be advised that Ralph had access to a reel to reel copy of that music, but I only had cassette at that time, plus Mr. Miller has access to ALOT of audio equipment, from his previous job as a recording engineer, to help clean this music up dramatically! :)

Also note: ALL of the music from TOS, and the sound effects that Ralph Miller is using came from ME, not the studios. As I have said previously, Mr. Miller is now claiming ONLINE that I stole the SFX from him, (but he's not claiming that I stole the music from him!) but it was really the other way around, except that I GAVE him the access to this stuff, he didn't steal it from me! I thought that he was a nice guy, and had alot of talent with recording venues, so I gave him access to everything I had. Only later did I find out that I was missing many discs, many scores, and several DVDs to boot! While I cannot say that I actually SAW him take anything, many times it was just he and I together, so it's sort of obvious, wouldn't you say?
Anyway, he's ticked because I shared this stuff with you, and is claiming that I stole it from him, which is strange, since he and I parted company well over 10 years ago, LONG before these SFX copies were re-edited into the order that I posted here! I'm sure that his new found friend "James T. Presley", who wants to be the only person who has certain TREK items, and doesn't like sharing anything with anyone, is behind this. Ralph used to go online and share just about anything with anyone, but not now!

Such is life. Just have to forget it and move on.

Oh, and BTW, here is the third disc of the TOS sound effects (of which I spoke) which has a nice 12 minute music piece from "Elaan of Troyius", which sounds VERY clean, and alot cleaner than that hissy version that I uploaded previously.
https://hotfile.com/dl/168402375/6c38e69/WTOSDisc_Three.rar.html
https://hotfile.com/dl/168405073/0aa36e7/WTOSDisc_One.rar.html
https://hotfile.com/dl/168407080/fcdf857/WTOSDisc_Two.rar.html



William

Okay, what you say mostly seems to make sense to me, from an outsider point of view, of course! And I already had an idea that Ralph Miller had used top notch equipment to clean up any available sources from "Elaan". But what else just struck me, when viewing the teaser to "Blood and Fire" again, is that starting with minute 1:00 up until about minute 1:55, there seems to be NEW music, which is completely unknown to me (and trust me, I know my TOS trek music enough to be certain!). It's not by Steiner, nor any other of the 8 trek composers, and in style I would assume it's composed in our time - BUT it complements Steiner's music very well, so kudos to whomever composed that track! It's odd, however, that in the credits, they are only having the names of Alexander Courage (main theme) and Fred Steiner (additional music), no one else! (In case I should have been mistaken, and those 55 seconds are, indeed, original TOS music, let me know, anybody who reads this! I have no delusions of being the almighty, knows-everything trekker! But I should be damned if those tracks were from TOS!) Ralph Miller, btw, is credited as music editor/technical adviser/sound editor etc.

Well, now lets look forward to the LLL release and forget all what happened before. You're right, we should move on - what happened, happened, and what matters right now is that soon, we are able to have all those tracks in pristine quality!

On another note, regarding the cue sheets: There was an interesting talk over at trekmovie (again!), where Jeff Bond started a short discussion:

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179. Jeff Bond - August 20, 2012

... The cue sheets will not be included in the booklet but we’re thinking about other options for those. I would love to make them available somehow so people could cobble tracked scores together (although you would still have to do a little editing in Garage Band to cut some tracks apart)–not sure if there are any legal problems with doing that though.

181. Curious Cadet - August 20, 2012

@ 179

... I would think there would be no problems legally since the cue sheets are already available in public form through ASCAP and BMI’s websites, albeit electronically as part of a database (nor do I think it’s organized by episode, or order).

186. Neil S. Bulk - August 20, 2012

The cue sheets are nice, but they aren’t the most accurate documents in the galaxy. There are frequent typos and omissions.

[Neil S. Bulk is the La-La-Land music editor for the trek release!]

188. Curious Cadet - August 21, 2012

@ 186

Good point Neil. I wouldn’t be surprised if any number of edited cues were not listed correctly, especially where numerous cues are being combined from previous episodes. More than likely they would just list a single title anyway, especially if it were all credited to the same composer.

Cue sheets are primarily a royalty payment document, not so much a continuity report. In those days cutting 35mm mag stock on the fly meant lots of shortcuts. Those were the days music editors actually had to work for a living. So notes were probably loosely kept at best, and the cue sheets themselves prepared weeks after the fact. As long as the proper composer was getting credited for the timing of the total music used in a cue, that’s about all that could be expected. I wouldn’t be surprised to find titles that had nothing to do with the actual library cues used in some cases.

I think what fans really want is a detailed break down of each cue, and combination of cues used in their chronological order as they appeared in each episode, so they can follow along as they watch an episode, and even do a little in home editing, to recreate some of these hybrid cues from the original takes included in the CDs. Anything even remotely accurate like this would have to painstakingly created from scratch, by laying particular cues against the picture, as I doubt it ever existed. I smell a fan project coming on after the release …

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So, while they may not be as accurate as one may hope for, they nevertheless are most certainly interesting reading, so getting them in any form (preferably as downable files), would be much appreciated. Is it possible they already are accessible somewhere on the internet, as "Curious Cadet" assumed already? That would be most fascinating! :)

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EDIT: I just found the "unknown" cue from "Blood and Fire": It's indeed from Fred Steiner, from the episode "Spock's Brain" (an episode I don't watch every week, for obvious reasons! ;) ) It's hidden in the cue "Escape" (No. 15 from the Verisimilitude bootleg). I stand corrected (by myself!)

Yes, I agree with you, that would be fascinating! I just went thru the music on that YOUTUBE video, and I have heard that before, although it is heavily re-edited, and there is a large plate echo added to the music (Ralph had purchased a plate echo about 12-13 years ago, so I'm sure this is the same one) I also went thru the music cue that I had just reupped on disc 3 of the TOS SFX above! I'm sure that you can listen to the pieces of music from about 5 minutes to 8 minutes in, and you will hear THAT music, not as clean, but I feel that is the music. Ralph took a 4-5 second piece of music, and looped it onto itself about 4 times over in one part of that shot. It worked well in the shot, as the SFX of explosions and hull hits really covered up what he did, but a trained hear can hear it, as I'm sure you will be able to listen to it as well. Now, the TOS music that I have only runs 12:44, and I am SURE that the music that I had on a cassette filled up most of one side of a 60 minute tape, so that would mean that there are some parts missing. I wish that I still had a copy of that two track from "That which survives" to share with you all, it would really be neat to hear again, after all these years.
Anyway, check it out, I'm sure the NV music is there.

William

Yes, I agree with you, that would be fascinating! I just went thru the music on that YOUTUBE video, and I have heard that before, although it is heavily re-edited, and there is a large plate echo added to the music (Ralph had purchased a plate echo about 12-13 years ago, so I'm sure this is the same one) I also went thru the music cue that I had just reupped on disc 3 of the TOS SFX above! I'm sure that you can listen to the pieces of music from about 5 minutes to 8 minutes in, and you will hear THAT music, not as clean, but I feel that is the music. Ralph took a 4-5 second piece of music, and looped it onto itself about 4 times over in one part of that shot. It worked well in the shot, as the SFX of explosions and hull hits really covered up what he did, but a trained hear can hear it, as I'm sure you will be able to listen to it as well. Now, the TOS music that I have only runs 12:44, and I am SURE that the music that I had on a cassette filled up most of one side of a 60 minute tape, so that would mean that there are some parts missing. I wish that I still had a copy of that two track from "That which survives" to share with you all, it would really be neat to hear again, after all these years.
Anyway, check it out, I'm sure the NV music is there.

William

I found the cue, it's from "Spock's Brain" (see my edit from my last post!). There are about 27 seconds worth of music in the track "Escape" (from the Verisimilitude bootleg), and Ralph Miller must have looped it just once, so that sums up to the 55 seconds in question! Mystery solved! ;)

Cool, well that was good that you found it!

William

Cool, well that was good that you found it!

William

And it happened, when I, coincidently, just watched the original trailer from "Spock's Brain" on youtube, just today (without specifically looking for that cue!). Part of that mysterious cue, just a few seconds (but enough for me to recognize them immediately!) was used in that trailer (that's the trailer from the sixties, as broadcast on tv back then!)

This 27 second cue indeed seems to be rather obscure and seems to never have been used again in the third season (as far as I remember - but I wouldn't bet my life on it anymore! ;) ) - a shame, as it is a fantastic cue, whose ferocious, brutal quality finally gets its full impact in the "Blood and Fire" teaser!

Well, you just proved that Mr. Miller's BS about having a "Studio contact" is just that, BS! And the clip I saw, had the same piece of music looped over at least 3 times, back to back to back, so he had to loop it more than once, unless it was done that way in the original episode!?!
That young kid that they got to play Chekov really does a fantastic job, doesn't he? I never saw that netisode, so I never saw him. Going to have to check out some of the newer netisodes and see how it fairs.

Thanks, William

Ugh, I own a vB forum license and my forum doesn't act like this. Very strange.

To recap what I accidentally deleted: friend comes over with a VHS copy of the original cut of WNMHGB, tells me not to copy it. Two copies made, one for me and one for someone else. At the next con, the other person set up a table selling copies of it. That's how it got leaked around 1984.

Interesting that you mention VHS Star Trek tapes. I went to visit a friend of mine who, at the time, was working for "Lincoln Enterprises", which, back in the 1970's was run by Majel! There was this little office off of a side street in Hollywood, and I was going to have lunch with my friend "Edward" (Yes, that is his REAL name). Since Majel and "Reyna" (her personal assistant/gofer/girl friday) are gone off, doing a convention somewhere, Edward takes me into the back of the office, behind this huge table where they get the packages ready to be shipped. Down this one hallway are shelves of items, and there, on a bottom shelve, are TONS of old, sun bleached VHS copies of the TREK TOS episodes, that could not possibly play, due to being erased by sitting in the sun. The covers are so washed out, I asked Ed why they were even still there, and he said that Majel insisted that if they got an order for one, that Ed was to ship it out, regardless!
We walked down a little more, and the dark hallway turned right, so I followed Ed a little bit more, and we came to a spot, which looked like a coal storage bin, and there sat a HUGE pile of film reels, with no film hubs on them, just film, no reels! This mountain of film was all the original film stock that Majel was using for her film clips, these were clapboard shots, unused scenes, everything! Majel ordered Gene to print up EVERYTHING that went thru the camera, but without a soundtrack on it!
When I looked at some of the clips that were hanging off of one of the reels, it hit me how rare these were! Now, Gene "Rod" Roddenberry has that film stock somewhere, because about 3 or 4 months after I saw it, "Lincoln" went out of business, so that stuff is still sitting somewhere, unless it was just thrown away, which is also possible.

William

@soundtrekker - I'll bet the community will put together a more comprehensive cue sheet list than what's available now.

Ugh, I own a vB forum license and my forum doesn't act like this. Very strange.





I don't understand what you mean by this. How is this forum/message board strange? I'm on several other sites that operate exactly like this one

William

I posted a reply to you, and it showed up as an addendum to my first post. It was supposed to be separate. That's why I edited my original post.

Then the original post disappeared.

*shrug*

Oh, okay. :)

Yes, this site has some problems. Sometimes it will not allow you to edit your own post! Then you come back a couple of days later, and everything is fine!

William

Interesting that you mention VHS Star Trek tapes. I went to visit a friend of mine who, at the time, was working for "Lincoln Enterprises", which, back in the 1970's was run by Majel! There was this little office off of a side street in Hollywood, and I was going to have lunch with my friend "Edward" (Yes, that is his REAL name). Since Majel and "Reyna" (her personal assistant/gofer/girl friday) are gone off, doing a convention somewhere, Edward takes me into the back of the office, behind this huge table where they get the packages ready to be shipped. Down this one hallway are shelves of items, and there, on a bottom shelve, are TONS of old, sun bleached VHS copies of the TREK TOS episodes, that could not possibly play, due to being erased by sitting in the sun. The covers are so washed out, I asked Ed why they were even still there, and he said that Majel insisted that if they got an order for one, that Ed was to ship it out, regardless!
We walked down a little more, and the dark hallway turned right, so I followed Ed a little bit more, and we came to a spot, which looked like a coal storage bin, and there sat a HUGE pile of film reels, with no film hubs on them, just film, no reels! This mountain of film was all the original film stock that Majel was using for her film clips, these were clapboard shots, unused scenes, everything! Majel ordered Gene to print up EVERYTHING that went thru the camera, but without a soundtrack on it!
When I looked at some of the clips that were hanging off of one of the reels, it hit me how rare these were! Now, Gene "Rod" Roddenberry has that film stock somewhere, because about 3 or 4 months after I saw it, "Lincoln" went out of business, so that stuff is still sitting somewhere, unless it was just thrown away, which is also possible.

William

Long ago (late 1970's) I went to a convention in San Diego and bought one of those film clips (35mm), I think I paid $10.00 dollars for it and still have it, it's mounted in a frame and I had it blown up and printed...it's a shot of the Enterprise coming toward the camera with the words "Start Trek" in blue off to the right of the model. I was told at the time that this was from the original 35mm film! your right William there is no soundtrack on the piece of film I have. I know they sold hundreds the 3 days I was their...I hope Rod Roddenberry still has the original 35mm film they be all that is left of TOS, I would assume Paramount still has the negatives? stored some where safe!! but who knows.

Scott

Well, what do you know??? I got the first post on the100th page!!! YEAH!

HAPPY 100th, STAR TREK!!!
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Scotty, I was informed by a person of import over at Paramount that ALL of their negatives, on films dating back to the 20's and
30's, are stored in a nice, dry storage facility out in Salt Lake City, Utah, where the dry climate is condusive for max film preservation. Could be more BS, but that is what I was told.

William

Well, what do you know??? I got the first post on the100th page!!! YEAH!

HAPPY 100th, STAR TREK!!!
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Scotty, I was informed by a person of import over at Paramount that ALL of their negatives, on films dating back to the 20's and
30's, are stored in a nice, dry storage facility out in Salt Lake City, Utah, where the dry climate is condusive for max film preservation. Could be more BS, but that is what I was told.

William

Nice 8D!

Thats good to know! Utah is a great place to store almost anything!! the bone yard comes to mind. The first post about La La Land TOS music I watched a video on youtube that stated the tapes where stored in a vault in Utah! so lets hope and pray that they stay safe and Paramount is not BS-ing!!

Scott

p.s. Happy 100th William! :) must be the luck of the Irish!! :)

Well, he's the SHAT, period! ;)

Regarding William Windom: I think, saying he was a poor actor is a little bit harsh; yes, he wasn't Marlon Brando (neither is Shatner), but without actors like Windom, who, after all, at least was a decent actor, you wouldn't have anybody supporting the starring actors. It's like in sports: You have 1 or 2 stars, and the rest is supporting the stars - that's what they are meant to do!

Windom is alot better than what we call good acting in Germany today, meaning we almost have no good acting here at all. And even Windom could be a star in it's own right, like for instance, Steven Seagal is. You find a niche and about 50% great screenplays to act and have good timing at the Box Office, you can be a star. It's very simple: Folks wanna be entertained, they are entertained, you can get away with not being very broad about your acting. And i must say i love it, that this is possible, if actors like these aren't hyped beyond what they really can do (like, *belch*, Jennifer Lopez used to). I for one would hire Windom any time to put a bullet into Till Schweigers head - and that would'nt necessarily be for acting in a movie either ... :D

Congratulation guys! A hundred pages about Star Trek is a big thing. So now on to 200! :D

Interesting that you mention VHS Star Trek tapes. I went to visit a friend of mine who, at the time, was working for "Lincoln Enterprises", which, back in the 1970's was run by Majel! There was this little office off of a side street in Hollywood, and I was going to have lunch with my friend "Edward" (Yes, that is his REAL name). Since Majel and "Reyna" (her personal assistant/gofer/girl friday) are gone off, doing a convention somewhere, Edward takes me into the back of the office, behind this huge table where they get the packages ready to be shipped. Down this one hallway are shelves of items, and there, on a bottom shelve, are TONS of old, sun bleached VHS copies of the TREK TOS episodes, that could not possibly play, due to being erased by sitting in the sun. The covers are so washed out, I asked Ed why they were even still there, and he said that Majel insisted that if they got an order for one, that Ed was to ship it out, regardless!
We walked down a little more, and the dark hallway turned right, so I followed Ed a little bit more, and we came to a spot, which looked like a coal storage bin, and there sat a HUGE pile of film reels, with no film hubs on them, just film, no reels! This mountain of film was all the original film stock that Majel was using for her film clips, these were clapboard shots, unused scenes, everything! Majel ordered Gene to print up EVERYTHING that went thru the camera, but without a soundtrack on it!
When I looked at some of the clips that were hanging off of one of the reels, it hit me how rare these were! Now, Gene "Rod" Roddenberry has that film stock somewhere, because about 3 or 4 months after I saw it, "Lincoln" went out of business, so that stuff is still sitting somewhere, unless it was just thrown away, which is also possible.

William

Intersting stuff - and it brings back memories of my own: Back in the 80ies, I used to order many paraphernalia from Lincoln Enterprises, including a print of Roddenberry's "bible", an IDIC, a golden Enterprise necklage and also some of those 35 mm prints, together with a tiny viewer designed to hold those clips! I ordered tons of trek material from other sources (e.g. the ANDROMEDA shop in Birmingham, England), including magazines, comics, novels, and episodes on VHS! I also was able to get one of those rare VHS tapes from that leaked unaired WNM episode, which was hard to get for German fans back than!

Hi there, I'm thinking about collecting the Star Trek music, but I'm not exactly a Trekker, I just enjoy a lot the TV show and the score. Where to start and what are the 'definitive' and complete CDs (well, I'm talking about links, of course, because I don't have enough money to buy all this)? I heard that the FSM set isn't complete... is it true?

Well, the Film Score Monthly is only Ron Jones' stuff, and I don't really know if it is completely all of his stuff or not. But will you find links on this site, if you search thru some of the first original pages, to some of the other STTNG music.

William

you will not, however find links to the RJ set, since FSM albums are not allowed here, same with Varese. I may have a present for you all later today or tomorrow

OH, Amanda, tell me that you have access to all of the discs for the LALA TOS stuff! P L E A S E ! ! ! ! ! ! Hehehehe :)

William

ah, no. No I don't. But that isn't even released yet, right?

Hey Lupus, I have those CDs in your sig.

Star Trek Online added a new ship!

The Sovereign Class successor!
Here is the new Regent Class Cruiser...

8of5's Guide to the Trek Collective: Regent class launches (http://8of5.blogspot.de/2012/08/regent-class-launches.html)

Windom is alot better than what we call good acting in Germany today, meaning we almost have no good acting here at all. And even Windom could be a star in it's own right, ... :D

William Windom was a fine actor who did a lot of great work. I especially enjoyed him in Night Gallery - They're Tearing Down Tim Riley's Bar. As for Shatner: yep, sometimes he'd chew scenery like it was his favorite food, but most often he put in some very fine, subtle, layered work. He was excellent in Trek and many other shows and films. His career bears this out (as do his Emmy's). He is, at worst, a lot of fun to watch (TJ Hooker). But, sauzeech his own.

All Star Trek Enterprise albums have been re-upped and posted in a dedicated thread.

Thanks, Amanda! It's nice to finally have In a Mirror, Darkly.

All Star Trek Enterprise albums have been re-upped and posted in a dedicated thread.

Thank you very much, Amanda. Right now my ST collection beggins!

Most interesting stuff! As I had said previously, I know very little about the technical side of music recording, however I had an idea that there had to be more than just the ONE copy of the recording sessions. If Paramount only has the original 2 track masters, then what LALA is getting access to, must be stored elsewhere! I know that you can find all the original sheet music on file over at ASCAP, and in a second location over at BMI as well! I wanted to xerox off copies of all of that stuff, but alas, it is NOT allowed! :(
So, if they have access to these recording sessions, then they will have a TON of stuff that will not be released on this set! Which is good news, to be sure. :)

Yes, the LAST two TOS music releases from Neil were the Greg Jein deal! If you notice a difference in music quality from the earlier stuff, then you will know which ones came from Greg. I would hope that Neil is co-operating with LALA on this deal!



Posted on the FSM forum today by "ZapBrannigan", and the reply by Jeff Bond:

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Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 1:01 AM
By: ZapBrannigan (Member)

The liner notes to GNP Vol 1 say "The master tapes for this album are from the best sources available. They have endured fire and flood at Paramount and though they do betray their age, they are still in mint condition."

Was there any evidence of fire and flood amongst the series tapes, or did they sidestep those events?

Also, it's been 27 years since the first round of GNP CDs were created. Do the tapes seem to have deteriorated any since then?

Did the new project use any DAT copies that GNP would have recorded circa 1985, and would the DATs be in better shape than the 46-year-old original reels?



Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 7:44 AM
By: Jeff Bond (Member)

Neil [that being Neil S. Bulk from La-La-Land, of course, NOT Neil Norman! Soundtrekker] might be able to address this better than me, but we saw no evidence of flood or fire damage and the condition of all the tapes was excellent. Nor did we use any of the transfers done by GNP; everything was newly transferred and mastered to take advantage of current technology for the best possible results. Believe me, one of our biggest concerns was what kind of condition the tapes would be in, but between their condition and the great experience of Johnny D during the transfer process, we couldn't be happier with the results.
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So, that clearly puts to rest any further speculation on any deal regarding source material possessed by Neil (Norman) being used for the La-La-Land release, now, doesn't it, William? All those informations so far, as far as the condition of their source material is concerned, sounds very, very good, almost too good to be true! Let's hope for the best...

Have a nice weekend, my friends! ;)

The only fire that I know about, in the last 40 years at Paramount was the fire in stage 18, that burned down the back lot buildings that were used on the TOS series, for "City..." and several other episodes. They were filming ST3 (I think) at that time, and Harve Bennett had numbered every script, and had the actors sign for them and agree that NO copies would be made, etc. WELL, apparently Shatner had left his script inside one of the buildings, where they were filming, and ran in to get the script, so it wouldn't get burned. Even though only one small side of the building was on fire, and never threatened anyone, it was still crazy that the rules they put down on these stupid scripts could have gotten Shatner killed or seriously injured, just to save a script! I remember, after the fire was out, Shatner posed with several of the firemen for pictures, and the next day, there was a photo in one of the newspapers, stating that he "helped to put out the fire"! Kind of like the King in "Dragonslayer" who thrusted his sword in the dead remains of the dragon, and declared it dead, or all to see! Amazing, simply amazing! :)

Never heard of any flooding at all, ever.

William

At one point, at the conventions, Majel tried to convince people that was actually her singing!
It was a opera singer, Loulie Jean Norman, who, by the way, was the voice of the opera singing ghost in the "Haunted Mansion" ride at Disneyland! You can google her name and it will take you to several sites of info on her.


Very interesting information there, thanks for that tidbit.

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That young kid that they got to play Chekov really does a fantastic job, doesn't he? I never saw that netisode, so I never saw him. Going to have to check out some of the newer netisodes and see how it fairs.


I felt exactly the same way, made me want to check out those new episodes as well.

captain kirk, fire fighter

captain kirk, fire fighter

At Shatner's age he would of done better peeing on the fire ;)

Scott

or dialing rescue 911.....zing!

No, he couldn't pee on the fire, his prostate, ya know, hehehehehe

William

No, he couldn't pee on the fire, his prostate, ya know, hehehehehe

William

LOOOOL

Captain Wizz!!!

Scott

There was that site, put up by a guy who had it in with Shatner, I think he served him once and he was rude, something like that. And all these others joined in and told their stories. Obviously, it can be a subjective thing and having one moment with someone famous can get blown out of proportion, but some were funny stories in a way. And that the guy was so hating on Shatner was kind of funny in it's own way.

I know this has nothing to do with William Shatner's urination. Sorry if I am off topic. : )

No, that's alright, still Shatner topic! If you have the link to that site, I would love to see it!

William

"Captain's Wizz, 234432....".

Well, you know why Captian Kirk always pee'd on the ceiling, don't you? So he could "Go where no man had gone before" Hehehehe

I know, it's an old joke, but a good one!

William

Hey William,

After trudging around the net this morning, I found that old site! One man's crusade to out the true nature of the man -

A Steaming Load of Shatner (http://www.bigwaste.com/shatner/index.shtml)

Others add their stories on the guestbook at the bottom of the page, located here....

A Steaming Load of Shatner: Guest Book (http://www.bigwaste.com/shatner/guestbook.shtml)

Now I think we have both Shatner's No. 1 and No. 2 covered, so to speak....

Well, you know why Captian Kirk always pee'd on the ceiling, don't you? So he could "Go where no man had gone before" Hehehehe

I know, it's an old joke, but a good one!

William

Yep still a good one my friend!! :)

Scott

Man, that Steaming load page is great! Thanks for finding that for us.

William

Hi serya,

interesting site! I can understand him being pissed off...so to speak, but really! how many book signings has Shatner done over the years? hundreds!... thousands! don't get me wrong, I don't worship at the alter of Shatner...Shatner should know what to expect! it's not his first rodeo...he has been doing this sort of thing for a lot of years, plus all the conventions he has been to!! and Shatner has made a good living off of the Star Trek movies, conventions and all the other stuff they have sold over the years. I don't see Shatner slowing down anytime soon, the man will probably die on stage with the echo of his adoring fans applause fading in his ears...his last words will be "It Was Fun...I Have To Pee" ;)

Scott