THE BIG ORCHESTRAL ACTION MUSIC THREAD! [Archive] - Page 53

tangotreats

08-20-2013, 01:34 AM

You have to understand that this isn't an isolated instance, and nobody is asking for a punishment for "requesting music". This isn't one person doing a silly thing once. This is one person doing the same silly thing repeatedly, literally a hundred times (count 'em) over a period of years. He's been told in a variety of tones, ranging from polite, through frustrated, all the way to aggressive and threatening. He's even been told in a variety of languages; since he doesn't appear to have much of a command of English, and sometimes posts in French, I tried to explain to him what he needed to do in broken, albeit comprehensible, French. His response was to completely ignore the message, and restate the same request in French. Even when pointed to the correct section, the end result is the same.

His last nine posts have been for requests for the same score and not a single one of them in the correct section. He has requested Warhawk at least thirty times over the past two years despite it being posted multiple times by multiple users. He has also requested albums that are completely irrelevant to the thread or forum topic, albums that have already been posted, albums that are forbidden from being posted, and even albums that don't exist. He crossposts the same atrociously spelt incoherent requests ("hellow complete chrissopher lennertz megaupload" / to multiple (sometimes dozens) of different threads simultaneously but never to the request section where they belong, and repeats them on a bi-weekly basis until some poor moron either fills his request in desperation or his interest shifts to something new, and the process begins all over again.

His desperation is inversely proportional to the intelligibility of the requests:

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If all else fails, he will make posts like this:

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Recording Sessions please download
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Recording Sessions please download
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Recording Sessions please download

He's been reported countless times and the prevailing FFShrine solution to every problem - do nothing - has been applied and the end result has been entirely predictable.

I'm sorry to whine, but seriously... I appreciate the policy here is to let people get away with bloody murder... but isn't enough, for once, enough? :/

My further prediction is that he will ignore your "alert reminder" as he has systematically ignored every single one of our "gentle reminders" and will be back tomorrow for more of the same. I predict that he will receive more "alert reminders" and eventually either we will get sick of complaining and nothing being done, so we will return to the situation as it stands (ie, he spams and annoys everybody and we sit back and suck it up) or you will get sick of us complaining and you (or another moderator) will say "He's not hurting anybody / he doesn't have very good English / just try to be a bit more patient!" and we will return to the situation as it stands...

Sanico

08-20-2013, 01:47 AM

We will see, though i wouldn't want to be in her place if he/she directly ignore a moderation alert.

hater

08-20-2013, 02:03 AM

i dont even think he is a real person. propably some kind of bot.no one can be so ignorant or even go on if he gets what he wants.doesnt make any sense.

tangotreats

08-20-2013, 02:03 AM

Since the only English words this person seems to understand are "download" and "please" I wonder if they will even realise they received such an alert... ;)

But hopefully, this will have a positive impact. Thank you. :)

Sirusjr

08-20-2013, 04:11 AM

Yeah I tried to like One Piece music but I just can't stand the tiny orchestra. A real shame. They probably wrote some good music but I can't enjoy it.

topSawyer

08-20-2013, 02:33 PM

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04.一劍風徽 (杜舞雩角色曲)
05.朱虹三嘆 (宮無后殺曲)
06.殘燭夢迴 (宮無后抒情曲)
07.年華不染 (佛鑄裳瓔珞)
08.篁翠東風 (慕瀟韓角色曲)
09.一劍凌塵 (杜舞雩武曲)
10.血印葬天輪 (迷達氣勢曲)
11.雪消雲埋 (冰樓悲曲)
12.百世風霜 (白髮一頁書)
13.沐靈山 (山神)
14.涼守宮 (菊花台)
15.山雨欲來 (轟定干戈預告曲)
16.暴雨臨世 (暴雨心奴)
17.黃羽客
18.殘酷的慈悲 (闋聲雲舵悲壯曲)
19.闋聲雲舵
20.一字鑄骨
21.瀟瀟暮雨 (元生造化球)

CD-2曲目:
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23.傅月影 (說悄悄傅月影)
24.秋風沐雪 (冰樓抒情曲)
25.漂浪的歌 (轟定干戈片尾曲)
https://mega.co.nz/#!hs0g1R7Z!URCkTirQJ-ln7fVHamLvQHrfptQ7k5Y1E7gpGzCbLjs

tangotreats

08-20-2013, 10:57 PM

Picked up my brand new turntable today, to replace a very good but old and worn out Sony PS-LX250H... I'm sure you all know which album I inevitably pull off the shelf when I really want to remind myself of what vinyl sounds like at its absolute pinnacle... Yep, it's time for a JERRYGASM!

Please enjoy this little sample I recorded after assembly and the tonearm balance. Woah boy... :D

(Don't just listen to the crappy Zippyshare sample... download the entire FLAC. You seriously need it.)

Zippyshare.com - - jerrygasm.flac (http://www67.zippyshare.com/v/11367243/file.html)

I'm planning to transfer this one again and a few others, as well as update my Herr Salat co-production transfers... so please look forward to it! (I sound like a Japanese TV ad...)

Faleel

08-20-2013, 11:31 PM

Planet of the Apes?

PrawnNetwork

08-20-2013, 11:40 PM

I've been searching for theses, I just love the scores while watching the movies, but I haven't had any luck finding theses soundtracks, does anyone happen to have them and is willing to share? :)
FernGully: The Last Rainforest (1992) (MCJD-10619) – (14 Tracks)
Pebble And The Penguin (1995) (R2 71996) – (17 Tracks)
All Dogs Go To Heaven (1989) (CRBD-10403) – (13 Tracks)
All Dogs Go To Heaven 2 (1996) (CDQ 37579) – (15 Tracks)

Herr Salat

08-21-2013, 12:08 AM

PrawnNetwork, this isn't a request thread. Also, these haven't been shared here. I have just searched and found these threads. You might have to ask for re-ups there.

alan-silvestri-ferngully-last-rainforest-1992-%5Bflac-134108/ (Thread 134108)
ferngully-last-rain-forest-alan-silvestri-1992-a-121337/ (Thread 121337)
ferngully-last-rainforest-soundtrack-67972/ (Thread 67972)
all-dogs-go-heaven-ralph-burns-score-79350/ (Thread 79350)
all-dogs-go-heaven-2-mark-watters-90120/ (Thread 90120)
all-dogs-go-heaven-2-mark-watters-89967/ (Thread 89967)

You might have to open a thread for "Pebble And The Penguin" in the request section (http://forums.ffshrine.org/film-television-music-requests/).

Sirusjr

08-21-2013, 12:15 AM

Obviously Poltergeist :) I'll still keep my FSM version though.

tangotreats

08-21-2013, 12:57 AM

Enjoy the balls sound quality. ;)

Sanico

08-21-2013, 01:52 AM

That's 'Escape from Suburbia' from Poltergeist... but my Jerrygasm moments on that score are always on the 'Rebirth' and 'The Light' tracks ;D

Sirusjr

08-21-2013, 03:18 AM

Enjoy the balls sound quality. ;)

If anything, the sound quality on the vinyl is balls with all those cracks and pops. Sounds the same to me. I don't really know what you are talking about. The FSM sounds great.

jlaidler

08-21-2013, 07:06 AM

Tango, what model did you pick up to replace it?

warstar937

08-21-2013, 12:16 PM

WARHAWK
Christopher Lennertz and Timothy Wynn
Gamerip download please lien bloquer nouveaux lien please ???????

bishtyboshty

08-21-2013, 12:45 PM

WARHAWK
Christopher Lennertz and Timothy Wynn
Gamerip download please lien bloquer nouveaux lien please ???????

Thread 80346

tangotreats

08-21-2013, 12:57 PM

WARHAWK
Christopher Lennertz and Timothy Wynn
Gamerip download please lien bloquer nouveaux lien please ???????

Holy mother of God.

bishtyboshty

08-21-2013, 01:07 PM

Holy mother of God.

I actually have that file, but I can't decide if it will solve things if I re-upload it.

That's the 20-track file that ygmmasta posted in September 2010.

Amazingly it was the only one posted in "our" forum (as opposed to the VG forum), and so it is the only one I have.

If I do re-upload it, I fear he will either revert to requesting the "29-track" version, or start requesting the next one on his list...

Why do soundtracks attract the mentally-challenged ?. Perhaps an opening for a considered dissertation by Tango.

I'd include the socially clumsy, but I think I'm one of those... lol.

Who hasn't been at those social gatherings and been asked "and what kind of music do you like ?"... "I like Film Music"... "Oh, have you got Saturday Night Fever by the Bee Gees ?".... "No, I like the background orchestral music"... "Oh, I didn't realise there was any... you mean Like Star Wars ?".... "give me strength (muttered under the breath)". I like composers such as Jerry Goldsmith, Miklos Rozsa, John Williams"... "He plays the guitar doesn't he, I've heard of him".

Anyone who likes Film Music knows what being an outsider is like... and if you don't like sport or cars... Where is that pistol ?."

tangotreats

08-21-2013, 02:01 PM

Socially hopeless, terrified-of-people Aspie here. :awsm:

tangotreats

08-21-2013, 04:17 PM

jlaidler: Well, if money were no object, I'd have got an ELP or a Linn... but instead I got a Rega RP1 with a Carbon cartridge. In tests, they come out scoring similarly to other tables costing five or even ten times as much. So far, it's been a jaw-dropping experience. I keep reconnecting and retesting the old Sony just to convince myself I'm not hearing things. Not to say the Sony sounds like shit, either - it's actually a brilliant table for the money and mine is 11 years old and still working, although for some strange reason it's been getting steadily faster over the last three or four years and now plays at 35rpm! (Meaning I have an additional pitch-correction process in any transfers I do.)

I already have a Rega table but it only plays 78s - I've been really looking forward to trying out the RP series and I haven't been at all disappointed. :D

In other news:

Space Brothers has started to introduce new orchestral music as of Saturday's episode - including a lovely variation on a three note motif derived from an earlier theme, a wistful piece for Serika, a brassy heroic theme for Mutta... and a bouncy theme for the atrocious Mr Hibbit "comedy" shorts that have started playing after the main episode... so clearly, they're planning to continue for a while. On the downside, this means that the score releases are once again incomplete, and we will undoubtedly have to resume our search and wait for the inevitable OST 3, which I'm sure will be bundled with the next �400 Bluray boxset...!!!

Vinphonic

08-21-2013, 04:58 PM

Very excited about the new orchestral material, I hope it won't take forever this time.
Any news on Majestic Prince yet?

LeatherHead333

08-21-2013, 06:39 PM

Considering there are a handful of samples on the official website i'd say it's inevitable that we'll get a soundtrack release. Probably won't be announced still September if i had to guess.

nextday

08-21-2013, 06:51 PM

Very excited about the new orchestral material, I hope it won't take forever this time.
Any news on Majestic Prince yet?
TOHO has finally started releasing Majestic Prince related CDs.

THCS-60016 - Majestic Prince Character Song vol.1 - Oct 16, 2013
THCS-60017 - Majestic Prince Character Song vol.2 - Oct 16, 2013
THCS-60018 - Majestic Prince Character Song vol.3 - Nov 20, 2013
THCS-60019 - Majestic Prince Character Song vol.4 - Nov 20, 2013

There will probably be one more character song CD. Then all that's left is the soundtrack. Their catalog updates every two weeks with the next update being either tomorrow or Friday.

tangotreats

08-21-2013, 07:37 PM

Considering there are a handful of samples on the official website i'd say it's inevitable that we'll get a soundtrack release. Probably won't be announced still September if i had to guess.

Those samples have been there since weeks before the show aired. Right about the same time that Toshiyuki Watanabe announced on his blog that there wouldn't be a CD release.

Which I bloody hope is wrong...

Doublehex

08-21-2013, 07:42 PM

WARHAWK
Christopher Lennertz and Timothy Wynn
Gamerip download please lien bloquer nouveaux lien please ???????

All I can do is laugh.

nextday

08-21-2013, 07:50 PM

Oh yeah, and also the production company says a second season of Majestic Prince is being considered.

NaotaM

08-21-2013, 08:51 PM

Good news for Tango; No idea what Ken ga Kimi is(a quick gis makes it look like typical reverse-harem stuff), but whatever it is, Natsumi Kameoka is handling sole composing duties. (With Mitsuda on production.)

REC-092 | Ken ga Kimi Original Soundtrack plus Drama - VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/41181)

tangotreats

08-21-2013, 09:07 PM

Ooh, thanks!

I wonder if that show could give us Kameoka's masterpiece... but it's lovely to see her going out on her own more often these days.

nextday

08-21-2013, 09:19 PM

Some lengthy samples for Ken ga Kimi here, in case anyone missed the link on the VGMdb page. Track selection is on the upper right: 関連商品 | サウンドトラックCD | 剣が君 (http://rejetweb.jp/kengakimi/#related/soundtrack/)

tangotreats

08-21-2013, 09:22 PM

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NaotaM

08-21-2013, 10:47 PM

Sirusjr

08-22-2013, 12:06 AM

For those of you trying to figure out how to play different samples of music on that web site, the little black pull-down menu in the upper right lets you select audio samples. I've never seen anything like this before so it took me a while to figure out how to select a different sample.

jlaidler

08-22-2013, 12:56 AM

Tango just looked up the Rega. I think I'll just look into a used B&O digitally controlled linear tracking job or a Sony linear tracking job. Those go for around $300 on Craigslist. My Sony PS-LX350H though a nice turntable has started knocking at the platter bearing. Thought it might have been the belt going funny and pulling it up and down, but nope, it's the bearing it's self. Rather annoying to be playing a record and the stupid thing starts sounding like a hammer or knocking at the door. I got the manual one just so there wouldn't be mechanical stuff weighing down the tone arm, but now I have a knocking platter. Only had the bloody thing for just under three years. I am officially off Sony, unless it's a nice old thing on the used market.

tangotreats

08-22-2013, 01:40 AM

Haha! Just looking it up, it seems like the 350H is a considerably better table than the 250H. That was the first thing I bought with my first ever pay packet. It's done me well over the years... I don't have a knocking noise, just occasionally eratic speed and really, really average sound quality. (As in, what you'd expect from a mass-production table - nothing special, nothing terrible, just functional. It cost me �100 in 2002. It's served me well, and it's required no repair and not even any maintenance. Just a new stylus every now and again and it kept on trucking.

I've heard a lot about those bearings going. Is it worth your while looking at a repair?

What you were saying about mechanics... this is actually why I like the Rega. I love their design philosophy. Bearest minimum technology. No clever shit. Everything you need to play records and absolutely nothing else. 100% of the manufacturing price spent on things that make your records sound better.

When I was first getting into vinyl, I wanted automatic everything, automatic cueing, automatic turn-over, linear tracking, computerised everything, LCD display, strobe, auto-centre, etc, etc, etc... I really, REALLY thirsted after one of those Japanese tables that did a laser measurement of the record's position on the table and then a little hammer popped out and knocked it until it was dead centre. That looked so unbelievable cool... and then it dawned on me it was a load of bullshit - just useless (expensive) window dressing that's just begging to break down. That stuff is ridiculous fun to play with, but for sitting down and playing music, you need a steady platter, a good tonearm, a good cartridge, and a good stylus... and nothing else.

I borrowed a linear tracking table off a friend a few years ago to have a play with. It was a right smart-arse machine. It might've been a Denon... It could actually turn the record over, or play the other side automatically - I think the tonearm disappeared underneath the record or something, don't remember... never saw that bit working. They warned me that it was on its last legs, so I put on a record I wasn't too bothered with. Just as well, because it started playing then something went "CLUNK!", the stylus dug down into the record, and the linear tracking dragged it right across the entire surface of the record. Then the stylus flew out, then the belt on the tracker snapped, then I put it back in the box, gave it back to my friend, and vowed never, ever to use one of those bastard things ever again. ;)

Screw that. If the Rega breaks down, it doesn't have the capacity to physically destroy whatever record's playing and then fire the stylus into my crotch like some jet-propelled bullet of doom. The worst that'll happen is the motor will stop. (Unless the whole table catches fire, of course...)

:D

jlaidler

08-22-2013, 02:47 AM

Don't know where I'd go for a repair, might be just cheaper to find a nice old Technics one of a similar type etc. Good point about those linear tracking jobs, though I like the mechanics of linear tracking since no mucking about would be done to the actual angle to the tone arm on the record as with standard swinging arms. I also like those S-shaped ones because they would have a more uniform angle as it swings inward. I think the problem with that Denon one was it was just too clever. That's why it went fucked to all Hell and back. The Sony and B&O ones just have a direct drive platter with a small tone arm which just goes up and down. I've used a B&O job before and was quite lovely actually. Needed a new stylus, but worked rather well. Maybe I'll slowly get one of each, and just find a friend who can make something new to use the motor and other bits of the old Sony to experiment with building a new one. Don't know if that bearing can be easily removed, but with the platter off it's certainly easy to pull it up and down to see how much play is in there.

Sirusjr

08-22-2013, 03:46 AM

I think it is pretty obvious from your discussion why most people gave up using vinyl. It sounds like it is a bit of a pain to get a decent setup for cheap. On the other hand, you can get a decent digital audio converter for your PC for pretty cheap that plugs into USB and sends the sound out to your speakers.

Doublehex

08-22-2013, 04:42 AM

I think what we have here is the difference between hobbies and entertainment.

With entertainment, you just plug in and play.

With hobbies, you gotta work at it to get some fun out of it.

We all deal in both sides of the equation at some point or another. I do video games, movies, tv shows - and yes - music.

I also deal in tabletop games, which usually requires hours in some way or another. If you do RPGs (ex. Dungeons and Dragons) you will spend time creating your character, thinking up of his backstory, and probably how you want to advance him. If you are the GameMaster, you are gonna spend a whole lot more than that preparing 4~ hours of story and action for your group of players.

And you will do that every week.

And you will enjoy the living hell out of it. Even when people look at you all weirdly.

If you do wargames, you will get out your micro sticks of glue, hundreds of dollars worth of paint, and assemble hundreds of minatures, and then paint them. You will spend days on them.

And people will look at you weird.

Right now Tango and the gang are talking about vinyl players, and Sirusjr and I are looking at them weird. Why NOT just play it out of the speakers? Its easier! Its less time consuming! It doesn't drive you crazy!

Because in some weird way, Tango and the gang find it fun to mess around with vinyl, getting them to work and the like. They find that work enjoyable.

To each their own ladies and gentlemen.

Unless any of you mock my RPG collection. In which case I will pick up my 600+ pg Pathfinder core rulebook and bash you over the head with it.

Sirusjr

08-22-2013, 06:57 AM

I understand an obsession with vinyl for certain purposes, like when people sample from them to make new beats. I just don't see the point of going through all that to listen to a soundtrack that exists in great sound on CD. And if it does sound good on vinyl and is not on CD, then rip it and listen to it on the computer.

nextday

08-22-2013, 06:26 PM

MICHIRU OSHIMA - LITTLE WITCH ACADEMIA ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK
FLAC, LOG, CUE | 86.0 MB | 13 TRACKS | 00:17:22
Russian State Symphony Cinema Orchestra, conducted by Sergei Skripka

VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/40434)
Catalog Number: N/A
Release Date: Aug 10, 2013

Tracklist (my translation)
01 Magic Show
02 Cafeteria
03 Flight Practice
04 In the School Dormitory
05 Minotaurus
06 Iron Maiden
07 Appearance of the Dragon
08 Let's Go!
09 Fight
10 Chariot's Theme
11 Main Theme
12 Title Roll
13 Title Roll <Short ver.>

Download: https://mega.co.nz/#!0ItTxaya!LQRosmJo-FojiMeT_Zj2-kqyPE0R1reQYU5MqpTh5YE

Here it is in all it's glory. (edit: download link updated with track titles)

Upcoming Oshima soundtracks: Aug 28 - Shomuni 2013 / Sep 18 - AURA ~Koga Maryuin's Last War~ / ??? - Patema Inverted

warstar937

08-22-2013, 10:21 PM

jeff beal alternate route DOWNLOAD PLEASE ?

LeatherHead333

08-22-2013, 10:42 PM

Was able to upload my latest (very expensive x_X) order today. This time around Devil Survivor is much better than the first volume (though when it comes to enclosures that's how it usually is). I highly recommend giving Kiniro a try. Easily one of my top faves out of this season :).

PCXG-50263-2 | DEVIL SURVIVOR 2 the ANIMATION ORIGINAL SOUND TRACK VOL.02 - VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/40166)

(http://s455.photobucket.com/user/leatherhead93/media/img076_zpsbd6c3684.jpg.html)

Title: DEVIL SURVIVOR 2 the ANIMATION ORIGINAL SOUND TRACK VOL.02
Type OST: Anime Soundtrack
Composers: Kotaro Nakagawa
No. of tracks: 21
Format: MP3 and ALAC
Bitrate: 320kbs and Loseless
Release Date: Aug 21, 2013
Size: MP3 92.8mb/ ALAC 227mb
Host: Zippyshare/MP3 Mega/ALAC

Tracklist
01 "Mu"
02 3RD DAY Fuon no Kayoubi
03 Sennyuu
04 Trumpeter
05 VS3
06 Chessboard
07 Ureu Mono
08 catch
09 4TH DAY Henyou no Suiyoubi
10 Alcor to Yamato
11 Sarasvati
12 Byakko
13 Lorelei
14 5TH DAY Kyougaku no Mokuyoubi
15 Houtsu Inka no Inbou
16 survive
17 Ronaldo
18 7TH DAY Sorezore no Doyoubi
19 VS LAST
20 Kagayaku Chiheisen
21 LAST DAY Ketsujitsu no Nichiyoubi

320 kbs MP3
Zippyshare.com - DEVIL SURVIVOR 2 the ANIMATION ORIGINAL SOUND TRACK VOL.02.7z (http://www1.zippyshare.com/v/63439800/file.html)

ALAC (Loseless)
https://mega.co.nz/#!fMYQQYIY!b_rz8SewkgzkVYLpZKsEyA9w6bRODxGmv_ppeR5 vF_Q

ANZX-6196 | ROBOTICS;NOTES Vol.8 Bonus CD - VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/40608)

(http://s455.photobucket.com/user/leatherhead93/media/img020_zpsae164896.jpg.html)

Title: ROBOTICS;NOTES Vol.8 Bonus CD
Type OST: Anime Soundtrack
Composers: Yuki Hayashi, Asami Tachibana, Takeshi Abo
No. of tracks: 16
Format: MP3 and ALAC
Bitrate: 320kbs and Loseless
Release Date: Aug 21, 2013
Size: MP3 93mb/ ALAC 173mb
Host: Zippyshare/MP3 Zippyshare/ALAC

Tracklist
01 Nichijou no Ana
02 Shijima no Hazama
03 Ane to no Omoide -Yuki Hayashi- Rearrange ver.
04 Program
05 Imbou
06 Setsuna
07 Joshou
08 Terrorist: Kimijima Kou
09 Houi
10 Robot Kenkyuubu -Asami Tachibana- Rearrange light ver.
11 FRAUKOUJIRO
12 Himotoku Jikan
13 Robotics;Notes (Adamix light ver.)
14 Soba ni Iru no.
15 Kidou!?
16 Surechigai (Rubato ver.)

320 kbs MP3
Zippyshare.com - ROBOTICS;NOTES Vol.8 Bonus CD.7z (http://www46.zippyshare.com/v/95756866/file.html)

ALAC (Loseless)
Zippyshare.com - ROBOTICS;NOTES Vol.8 Bonus CD FLAC.7z (http://www46.zippyshare.com/v/85399418/file.html)

VTCL-60349 | Kin-iro Mosaic Soundbook Hajimemashite Yoroshiku ne. - VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/40097)

(http://s455.photobucket.com/user/leatherhead93/media/img065_zpsd475e027.jpg.html)

Title: Kin-iro Mosaic Soundbook Hajimemashite Yoroshiku ne.
Type OST: Anime Soundtrack
Composers: Ruka Kawada
No. of tracks: 27
Format: MP3 and ALAC
Bitrate: 320kbs and Loseless
Release Date: Aug 21, 2013
Size: MP3 122mb/ ALAC 329mb
Host: Zippyshare/MP3 Mega/ALAC

Tracklist
1. Overture ~ To England
2. Passing the Grassland
3. Blonde Girl
4. Barrier of Words
5. To The Precious You
6. Shinobu and Alice
7. Final Night
8. Morning
9. Midst of Going to School
10. Interaction with Everybody
11. Why is that?
12. Gentle Evening
13. Tiny Alice
14. Eyecatch 1
15. The Duck of the Corridor
16. Eyecatch 2
17. Lightly
18. Talk
19. Teacher!!
20. Falter
21. Well.
22. Invariable Thought
23. Forever Together
24. Orchid Fleabane
25. See You Again
26. Gold+Silver Sweet Olive
27. Pink Celebration

320 kbs MP3
Zippyshare.com - Kin-iro Mosaic Soundbook Hajimemashite Yoroshiku ne..7z (http://www33.zippyshare.com/v/41275374/file.html)

ALAC (Loseless)
https://mega.co.nz/#!iJhBnI7R!Ljr5kFVSA162V_9xTOZyd025cI8AX26Z5ntrK0f Hwdg

Many thanks to nextday for translating Robotics Notes and Devil Survivor http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq271/leatherhead93/kucing_ngayal_zpsba2b588b.gif (http://s455.photobucket.com/user/leatherhead93/media/kucing_ngayal_zpsba2b588b.gif.html)
And another thanks goes to Akashi-san for english translating Kiniro :)

Scans included in as always. Enjoy http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq271/leatherhead93/kucing_capek_zpsc3d04393.gif (http://s455.photobucket.com/user/leatherhead93/media/kucing_capek_zpsc3d04393.gif.html)

Next week i will have Blood Lad and GatchamAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAn uploaded :3

Doublehex

08-22-2013, 11:11 PM

jeff beal alternate route DOWNLOAD PLEASE ?

HE KNOWS. HE KNOOOOWS.

nextday

08-22-2013, 11:27 PM

rain Developer Diary: The Music of rain - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97mAKGuQnaI)

So apparently Yugo Kanno is doing the music for a PS3 game called "rain". Here he talks about some of the music he did for it (with samples).

Edit: Kin-iro Mosaic is lovely. Thanks for sharing, leatherhead.

Akashi San

08-23-2013, 12:48 AM

I shouldn't have listened to Little Witch - it's only goddamn 17 minutes long. :( At this level of quality, I can only expect Patema to be nothing short of a glorious Oshima masterpiece.
And about Kin-iro Mosaic... the music is so cheerful and surprisingly strong in its melodic content. Absolutely loving it!!! I have been in a seriously wanting this kind of music.

Thanks to both nextday and LeatherHead for providing these gems!

English tracklist for Kin-iro will appear in this post after my dinner...

Tracklist:
1. Overture ~ To England
2. Passing the Grassland
3. Blonde Girl
4. Barrier of Words
5. To The Precious You
6. Shinobu and Alice
7. Final Night
8. Morning
9. Midst of Going to School
10. Interaction with Everybody
11. Why is that?
12. Gentle Evening
13. Tiny Alice
14. Eyecatch 1
15. The Duck of the Corridor
16. Eyecatch 2
17. Lightly
18. Talk
19. Teacher!!
20. Falter
21. Well.
22. Invariable Thought
23. Forever Together
24. Orchid Fleabane
25. See You Again
26. Gold+Silver Sweet Olive
27. Pink Celebration

nextday

08-23-2013, 01:03 AM

I shouldn't have listened to Little Witch - it's only goddamn 17 minutes long. :( At this level of quality, I can only expect Patema to be nothing short of a glorious Oshima masterpiece.
I'm actually expecting Hal and Patema (the other two Russian soundtracks) to be short as well. I think when she went out to record these Tempest was the main course and the other three were just sides.

Akashi San

08-23-2013, 01:20 AM

Well, that would be a terrible shame.

tangotreats

08-23-2013, 01:35 AM

It's sensible to expect that they were recorded during the same trip, and that incredibly fortuitous timing enabled Oshima to record four incredibly expensive scores at the same time...

...but I don't for one moment think that Little Witch, Hal, and Patema will be short changed due to them being hastily bolted on to the end of the Tempest session.

Little Witch is short because the film was 26 minutes long. There's no reason to expect that the other scores will be compact. Both are full length features and both look well-endowed, budget-wise.

Tempest had 68 minutes of orchestral score - which means:
a) They somehow managed to record 68 minutes in two sessions (Rule of thumb; one session = 30 minutes of music...)
or b) ...They had three sessions and recorded Little Witch at the same time (68 minutes Tempest + 17 minutes Little Witch = 85 minutes... the maths makes sense, but who knows?)...

So, they still had to record Patema and Haru - probably the next day. I predict either one session per film (30 minutes of music each) or three sessions for the both of them (45 minutes of music each).

If I were doing the scheduling, that's how I would've done it - two days of recording, 90 minutes per day, three hours of finished score at the end; 68 for Tempest, 17 for Little Witch, 45 for Haru, 45 for Patema.

All that said... I wonder if they really did do all this at the same time. Tempest was finished in April 2012 (because the promotional videos had completed score) but Little Witch, which had trailers much later, had synth mockups in the trailers. Additionally, did they really score Patema and Haru two years before finishing the films??!

Gets more confusing by the minute...

Edit: Yep, LWA trailers of JANUARY 2013 had synth mockup score, meaning LWA was recorded either very late 2012 or very early 2013... months after Tempest had premiered... Stranger and stranger! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqBssEBpihA

basic-instinct

08-23-2013, 04:12 AM

The Grandmaster on itunes today only in USA...

:(

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/grandmaster-original-motion/id686851821

Vinphonic

08-23-2013, 12:05 PM

Listening to Little Witch Academia over and over again, certainly the best shortest anime score I ever heard. Having a blast now with all of her Russian scores at the moment. One thing struck me however, are there any news of a soundtrack release for Zetusen no Tempest after all this time?, even itunes would be fine because I so want THIS! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVrw9UWbC-o) in flac.

Rajen11

08-23-2013, 01:01 PM

Zetusen no Tempest THIS! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVrw9UWbC-o)

Oh my God! I can't stop listening it!

nextday

08-23-2013, 02:10 PM

It's sensible to expect that they were recorded during the same trip, and that incredibly fortuitous timing enabled Oshima to record four incredibly expensive scores at the same time...

...but I don't for one moment think that Little Witch, Hal, and Patema will be short changed due to them being hastily bolted on to the end of the Tempest session.
You are very right. I kept thinking Tempest was later in 2012 probably because the soundtracks came out so late. Further research shows that there were two trips. One for Tempest and one for the other three. I'm still pretty sure Hal will be short though. Theater listings show it as 60 minutes (which includes trailers, credits, etc. as far as I know). In the first 8 minutes of the film, which can be viewed on Yahoo, there's only two piano+strings pieces which are each about a minute in length.

As for Patema, who knows. There's already 27 minutes of the film's prologue online which have been up for over a year now (movie was planned for 2012). There's only mockup music used and I don't remember it sounding orchestral or anything. Though the the prologue takes place underground for the most part so it could just be that the orchestral music is saved for later in the film when they are on the surface.

Listening to Little Witch Academia over and over again, certainly the best shortest anime score I ever heard. Having a blast now with all of her Russian scores at the moment. One thing struck me however, are there any news of a soundtrack release for Zetusen no Tempest after all this time?, even itunes would be fine because I so want THIS! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVrw9UWbC-o) in flac.
Standalone soundtrack release will come whenever Aniplex decides to release a blu-ray box for it and that could take anywhere from 2-4 years. At least that's how Aniplex has done it in the past (Bakemonogatari, Star Driver, Kannagi, etc.).

tangotreats

08-23-2013, 03:06 PM

Those are OVAs - they're not the movie, they're "what happens before the movie". :D

http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=14890

And the music is terrible.

Still not worried. ;)

nextday

08-23-2013, 03:27 PM

Nah, it's definitely part of the movie. Yoshiura's last movie started out as web episodes too.

And plus, it'd be really weird for them to animate an additional half hour with voice acting and everything only to release it online for a small audience...

tangotreats

08-23-2013, 03:42 PM

I wouldn't be throwing around words like "definitely" unless you've a) seen the film or b) seen something in an official press release that confirms what you suggested.

So far, all signs point to the OVAs being OVAs - a prequel to the movie, some cheap crap designed to build up interest and generate bums on seats for the cinema release. They're even pushed like that on the official site. You can watch them on the official site.

It would hardly be the first time Japan made some rubbish OVAs and released them online in order to drum up interest in a TV series or feature film.

Please, let's be optimistic here... :D

chancth

08-23-2013, 03:44 PM

@LeatherHead333
Huge thanks for all the uploads. Now that I've finally had enough time to catch up with all the stuff posted in the last weeks here are my two cents:

Beast Saga: Great Score, definetly worth a purchase.

Tanken Driland: Absolutly fantastic, Hirano does it again.

Galileo X Midsummer Formula: Lovely with the typical Kanno filler.

Vividred Operation: Some "very" enjoyable tracks (4, 13, 15 and especially 18). The rest is okay but the second ost is even longer so perhaps we'll get more of the good stuff.

Date A Live: Very Good, one of the better scores of 2013 and there is even a third ost coming.

Gargantia: Some tracks are enjoyable but I would not listen to it again. Rather forgettable.

Photokano: Nice and enjoyable. Perfect for a relaxing afternoon.

Leviathan: So I gave this one a go and it's better than expected. It has some nice string pieces and the synth tracks are enjoyable.

HATARAKU MAOUSAMA!: I like track 22 from the second disc, the rest is not for me.

Attack on Titan: I don't like it.

Arata Kangatari: I don't care for Otani unless Giants and or Angels are involved.

Pacific Rim: Terrible but at least it has motifs.

I'm now waiting for Yamato 2199 and Final Fantasy: The Celebration (is it actually worth buying, I already have Returning Home so I'm still unsure...). Also, since Watanabe's Majestic Prince has still no release date what about his more lyrical score: Daini Gakusho (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=AVCL-25784). If no one has it yet I will consider buying it.

thanks for these short reviews. very helpful as there are so much music to listen to
and of course many many thanks to all uploaders

Sirusjr

08-23-2013, 04:32 PM

Thanks for these leatherhead. Robotic Notes is all composers who I don't recognize and who look like they just started so I'll check it out. Also really hoping the Kin-Iro Mosaic is as good as they say.

LeatherHead333

08-23-2013, 06:30 PM

nextday

08-23-2013, 06:52 PM

tangotreats

08-23-2013, 08:03 PM

Ooooooooooooh! GREAT samples! Do want! There is a copy for sale at Amazon Japan for 750 yen, but they don't ship internationally. I'd buy this in a heartbeat.

Herr Salat

08-23-2013, 08:26 PM

amazon.co.uk/Komugiiro-No-Tenshi-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B00005EQ7G (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Komugiiro-No-Tenshi-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B00005EQ7G)

nextday

08-23-2013, 08:26 PM

Yeah, I was gonna buy it but no international shipping means I'm out of luck. Maybe someone here will find a way.

Edit: And yeah, I saw that on Amazon.co.uk. Too high for my budget though.

tangotreats

08-23-2013, 08:29 PM

Ordered. :D

Sirusjr

08-23-2013, 08:46 PM

I'd say about half of Kin-Iro Mosaic is good. Tracks 14-20 are too wacky/cutsey for me to enjoy and the last three tracks are insanely cutsey songs. But the rest of it is quite nice. On other soundtracks by composers I never thought I would ever be interested in, I find I actually enjoy Atli Orvarsson's score to Mortal Instruments City of Bones. He wrote a solid theme and some great orchestral material. A bit of the middle sections are covered by a little bit more synth than I would normally like to see but on the whole it is great.

33liborek

08-24-2013, 10:14 AM

Speaking of Tempest, 3rd Soundtrack is bundled with DVD/BD vol.9, release date is September 25.

Blu-ray?DVD | TV????????????? (http://www.zetsuen.net/bluraydvd/bluraydvd09.html)

lcnam0113

08-24-2013, 12:07 PM

Anyone got Ryuichi Sakamoto's "Playing The Orchestra" (1988) ? Plz....

tangotreats

08-24-2013, 01:11 PM

Speaking of Tempest, 3rd Soundtrack is bundled with DVD/BD vol.9, release date is September 25.

OST 3?! Crumbs... was there really that much missing music from the first two? Klnerfan might get his full-length Kaigo after all... :D

nextday

08-24-2013, 01:31 PM

Well, I for one, wasn't expecting this. I guess there's no brakes on the Oshima train.

Tracklist for vol.3 here: ANZX-6968 | BLAST OF TEMPEST ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK VOL.3 - VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/41246)

11 tracks, 25 minutes. Track 10 is 3 minute variation of Kaigo. Not quite the four minute version from the video klnerfan posted... but it's still something.

Vinphonic

08-24-2013, 01:35 PM

Now my life is nearly complete. All that's left is an anime about cute japanese girls traveling through germany with music by Oshima with a theme based on Ode to Joy.

Doublehex

08-25-2013, 01:14 AM

DRAGON'S CROWN
Composed by Hitoshi Sakimoto

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1.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Opening Cinematic Theme (1:20)
2.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Title Screen Theme ~ Welcome to the World of Dragon's Crown!! (1:24)
3.Hitoshi Sakimoto - The Good Old Character Select Screen (1:47)
4.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Tutorial Stage (1:10)
5.Hitoshi Sakimoto - World Map Theme (1:33)
6.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Adventurer's Guild (3:01)
7.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Ghost Ship Cove (3:08)
8.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Ghost Ship Cove B Route (3:41)
9.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Kraken (2:33)
10.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Castle of the Dead A Route (2:35)
11.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Castle of the Dead B Route (2:42)
12.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Battle (1:04)
13.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Mage's Tower (3:44)
14.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Lost Woods A Route (3:32)
15.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Lost Woods B Route (3:38)
16.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Killer Rabbit (2:38)
17.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Dragon's Crown Full Vocal Theme (2:17)
18.Hitoshi Sakimoto - Staff Roll (5:55)

https://mega.co.nz/#!6cYD2KKI!Sp-uWhU9nNf2prDqJ9K6rQxrxUwmvMqTuE2o4QexAnw

Well, I for one, wasn't expecting this. I guess there's no brakes on the Oshima train.

Tracklist for vol.3 here: ANZX-6968 | BLAST OF TEMPEST ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK VOL.3 - VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/41246)

11 tracks, 25 minutes. Track 10 is 3 minute variation of Kaigo. Not quite the four minute version from the video klnerfan posted... but it's still something.

Cue translation:

1. Changes
2. Hamura
3. Mischief
4. Strange
5. Idle
6. Kiraky
7. Intricacy
8. Hakaze
9. Reasoning
10. Variations on a Chance Encounter
11. Flower

Sirusjr

08-25-2013, 09:28 PM

Now my life is nearly complete. All that's left is an anime about cute japanese girls traveling through germany with music by Oshima with a theme based on Ode to Joy.

Ironically, I don't feel much of this same excitement about big classical themes being interpolated into scores. I don't really have much of an attachment to any of the big famous themes. If anything I hate most of them because they have been overused and beat me over the head in films that shouldn't be using them.

I find I am not particularly overjoyed by the music in Little Witch Academy. This ideal of an anime score highly inspired by classical music does not appeal to me in the slightest, thus why Oshima's scores to Fullmetal Alchemist mostly fall flat on me. Despite my attempts, most classical music doesn't give me the same reactions as a good film score.

Afterall, the whole reason I was drawn to film scores to begin with was they provided an emotional immediacy to the music that I felt was heavily lacking in classical music. Thus, though I do enjoy Tempest, I wonder how much of that enjoyment comes from enjoying the anime itself and the music by association rather than enjoying the heavy Beethoven influence in the music.

For example, I went from listening to Atli Orvarsson's delightful score to Mortal Instruments City of Bones to Oshima's Little Witch Academy and immediately I thought, "eh, this is so classical." In a way, it seems a strange complaint because the reason I enjoy Mortal Instruments score so much is it has big themes in a classic style we rarely hear in modern films. But it is still more steeped with emotion and melodrama than Little Witch Academy.

I would also say the same "too classical" feel applies to a lot of the music by Masamichi Amano. I get that a lot of his Giant Robo themes are heavily lifted from big films but they are done in a style that drips with stuffy intellectual classical music.

tangotreats

08-25-2013, 11:27 PM

Hmm, nice - shift the blame on to the music. It can't possibly be simply the case that certain forms of music evade your taste - it has to be because the music is deficient. Statements like "too classical", "stuffy intellectual classical music", and suggesting that classical music lacks emotion... derides the people who do appreciate those things as well as the wonderful music itself.

Count me as somebody who is very proud of his ability to appreciate classical music. Somebody who, in years past, found himself unable to enjoy classical music but blamed himself and NOT the music - and developed his taste, educated himself, and grew to understand the true greatness of classical music... and who appreciates that just because something may be an acquired taste, doesn't make it worthless or the people who have acquired the taste stuffy intellectuals...

As for Tempest, I'm not sure where you're getting this "heavy Beethoven influence" because there's basically no Beethoven whatsoever in the score, with the exception of one melody quoted from his 17th Piano Sonata... which is rarely heard in full and even when it is (in one cue only) still sounds like 60% Oshima, and 40% Beethoven. Anybody who hears a significant Beethoven influence in Tempest needs to listen to more Beethoven. It's an Oshima score through and through. There is a Mahler influence in a few earlier cues, however!

It's like complaining about Tintin having "overuse of accordion" when the accordion is only playing in one cue for about thirty seconds... or about Tetsujin being "too jazzy" when out of two CDs of music there is four minutes of jazz... Who'd say crazy stuff like that? ;)

Finally, I listened to Mortal Instruments. It's a piece of complete and utter shit, with a handful of barely tolerable moments. Like most contemporary film scores. There's more music in Oshima's delicate scoring in "In The School Dormitory" - just over a minute in length - than there is in all of Orvarsson's over-produced, generic, emotionless monstrosity of a score put together...

Just to make this post not ENTIRELY a 100% disagreement with what you wrote... ;)

Ironically, I don't feel much of this same excitement about big classical themes being interpolated into scores. I don't really have much of an attachment to any of the big famous themes. If anything I hate most of them because they have been overused and beat me over the head in films that shouldn't be using them.

Now, this I agree with. Sticking famous, oversaturated themes into scores, has two effects as a rule. Firstly, the famous themes completely overshadow any of the composer's original melodies, leading to complaints over their lack of memorability, and secondly it takes you out of the score/film/tv series/whatever when you suddenly start hearing tunes you recognise from other places.

Great music has been sullied by repeated playback over the decades. We've heard The Blue Danube so many times, and it became so inextricably linked with "2001 - A Space Odyssey" that we can't even listen to it with a clear head any more. We can't get over the fact that we're bored to death of hearing it, and we can't appreciate it for what it is - a truly magnificent orchestral waltz. Likewise with Strauss' Also Sprach Zarathustra - another great piece that Stanley Kubrick pissed all over. Strauss is turning in his grave at the prospect of just over a minute's worth of his magnificent 30 minute tone poem becoming indelibly embedded in Average Joe's consciousness... and I'm surprised that knowing that same 60 seconds of music now features on compilation albums as "Theme From 2001 A Space Odyssey" hasn't precipitated Zombie Strauss rising from his coffin to bring about the apocalypse.

Then again, it's even happened with so many pieces of original film music. ET being my favourite example. We've all heard that theme so many times, we almost forget that it's superb music.

Tempest succeeded because it didn't overdo it - Beethoven's sonata comes up basically once in the whole score and in a very specific place. And Oshima's a good-enough tunesmith - and adapts Beethoven's theme well enough - that her own contributions still stand out.

Some other scores have done it reasonably well - Hirano's Real Drive bringing in Paganini (for a plot point), and I'm quite fond of Kamen's interpolation of various melodies in Die Hard, for example... but as a rule, I do think that it's something to be avoided.

In any case, Beethoven's dead. He has been for hundreds of years. His greatest works are all written and recorded and documented. Let him be. Let Oshima score this "Girls Touring Germany" series, with the Moscow Symphony Orchestra, and with completely original melodies like we know very well she's capable of writing... ;)

Sirusjr

08-25-2013, 11:37 PM

What is the difference between saying "I don't like the music because it lacks X" and "I can't appreciate the music because it doesn't do X for me"? How is it that certain styles of music you like are "acquired tastes" while music others appreciate that does nothing for you becomes "generic and emotionless"? Considering the number of people whose taste in film scores I appreciate who enjoy Mortal Instruments I think it is offensive to them to suggest it is the same as all the other modern scores out there. And if there is one thing I can say with certainty, it is that Mortal instruments is NOT emotionless. It may be a bit simplistic but then so are a lot of the anime scores that people in this thread swoon over. Then again your idea of a good score is all that matters and anything you don't like is shit.

You can't have it both ways though. I attack the music and I am suddenly lacking in taste, while you attack the music and that's OK because it is generic music. Can't you possibly approach a modern score with some respect that suggests the style of music is not for you, or it evades your taste without suggesting that it is trash?

Also, I never said the scores I can't appreciate were shit. I said they were too classical, which is a way of attempting to identify a style of music so that I can better classify what I like and don't like. I can't explain why certain scores that are very classical really grab me, like the lovely re-recording of Peyton Place conducted by Frederic Talgorn with the Royal Scottish National Philharmonic, and others feel stuffy.

tangotreats

08-25-2013, 11:45 PM

The difference is, you're attacking great music because you don't like it. I'm attacking crap music because it sucks. There's a subtle difference there.

Then again your idea of a good score is all that matters and anything you don't like is shit.

I didn't think I'd end up hearing that from you of all people... what a shame.

Can't you possibly approach a modern score with some respect that suggests the style of music is not for you, or it evades your taste without suggesting that it is trash

What you're saying is that I must pretend crap music is great music in order to justify your affection for it, but you're OK to pretend great music is crap music to justify your lack of affection for it!

This really isn't about what music I like and what music you like. This is about you running down music generally agreed to be great because YOU DON'T LIKE IT... but attacking me because I acknowledge that other kinds of music you DO like aren't anywhere on the artistry scale.

Music being "more classical" is a GOOD THING in terms of quality. You might not like it, but it doesn't make it crap. Conversely, the fact that you DO like that Orvarsson thing doesn't make it great.

I really love Alan Silvesti's The Delta Force, but I can still acknowledge that musically it's a piece of shit.

You should stop looking down on classical music, and maybe open your mind. That's what I was trying to say when I wrote all that stuff, but all you heard was "You don't like classical music because you're a simpleton."

That's not at ALL what I meant and I like to think that you'd think more of me than to make that assumption.

Sirusjr

08-26-2013, 12:04 AM

Like it or not, your post essentially read exactly like "You don't like classical music because you're a simpleton." Though I have immense respect for you, you also do tend to come across as an ass sometimes, and in your reply that was one of those times.

Trust me, I go back to classical music occasionally because I think there might be something there I am missing. I recognize that there might be some amazing font of melodies I am missing out on. Except the amount of times I have an emotional response to a symphony are very few and far between. Sure most of them have a ton of themes but they don't reach me in the same way as the themes in my favorite scores.

I've probably said this before but I'll say this again, I prefer simplistic themes in my scores because I enjoy my scores while doing other things, especially reading a novel. Most of what is considered good classical music is so complex that I can't even attempt to process it unless I listen to it alone. Ain't nobody got time for that. Even when I do attempt to listen to them that way I usually end up feeling like I need to do something else after 5 minutes.

tangotreats

08-26-2013, 12:14 AM

I think others will read what I wrote and make their own judgements. Your decision to ignore my obvious good intentions and instead directly insult me (which I have never done to you) is deeply insulting and most hurtful on a personal level.

I withdraw from this discussion to prevent the spread (or receipt) of any further ill will.

Doublehex

08-26-2013, 12:27 AM

...welp, this is the last time I encourage Sirusjr to speak his mind.

But Tango, I am going to have to agree with Sirusjr here. The biggest problem with classical music - and music that is classically inspired - is that it has lost its appeal. It is too complex, with too many damn notes, that takes way too long to get through them, and with weird abbreviations like Op. and K and C and other things just pushes people away. With all these things going against its no wonder we have a problem with modern composers no longer associating themselves with that market. It is the same problem that tabletop gaming has - it is too influenced by the desires of the old (or the old minded) than it is by the desires of those that want to get into it or those that are just getting into it.

It's the model train fiasco. At one point model trains were the go-to Christmas gift for young boys. But the model train industry put more of an emphasis on the hobbyists, with complex and expensive trains than on bringing new people in, that model trains became a hobby exclusive for old men.

Or near exclusive. But you get the point. The presentation of classical music as stiffy, high-high brow, and gray haired pushes the vast majority of people away. When you have names for movements that all sound the same - Allegros and Minuets and Requiems all sound very confusing and similar to those outside of the loop - it is very hard for newbies to get in.

It's not a matter of classical music being emotionless. It's about classical music having shitty marketing.

That and they never get to the damn point! Half of the time I'm like "Gee when is the composer gonna give me a nice piece of music, this is all very samey. Oh that was nice! ....and then its gone."

That is the appeal of film music - yes, modern music. It gets to the damn point! I don't need to wait six minutes for the emotions to flare up! Its right then and there a minute after the cue! Now are the emotions well represented? For the most part, no! But at least its quickly and easily accessible. Unless your name is Beethoven, Prokofiev, Mozart, Penderecki, and Barber, the answer is going to be a big fat NO. Classical music is drowning in notes. It is drowning in snottiness. It is drowning in poor marketing.

Film music has, for as long as I have been alive at least, never had poor marketing. Or at least not as poor as classical music. It was always relevant and conversable. There are a heck of a lot more fans of John Williams than there are of Beethoven. But before Zimmer came around it was sounding very...samey. It all started to sound the same. Even now, you can see that Williams is on recycle. Beautiful and magnificent recycle, but recycle none the less. Williams represented everything that was right and wrong about film music before Zimmer, just like how Zimmer represents everything that is right and wrong about modern film music.

Count me as somebody who is very proud of his ability to appreciate classical music. Somebody who, in years past, found himself unable to enjoy classical music but blamed himself and NOT the music - and developed his taste, educated himself, and grew to understand the true greatness of classical music... and who appreciates that just because something may be an acquired taste, doesn't make it worthless or the people who have acquired the taste stuffy intellectuals...

Okay. Dude. You love classical music. That is wonderful. I sincerely mean that. Everyone deserves the right to have a great passion for something. A life where everything is "meh" is hardly a life at all. BUT people not liking Classical Music is not the fault of the individual. It is the fault of the medium. When I say "I don't like rock" I also say that it doesn't appeal to me. I don't go ahead and blame myself, saying I "just don't get it". To say otherwise is to say that people are WRONG for not liking classical music.

And there is no better way to discourage newcomers than to be like that.

Finally, I listened to Mortal Instruments. It's a piece of complete and utter shit, with a handful of barely tolerable moments. Like most contemporary film scores. There's more music in Oshima's delicate scoring in "In The School Dormitory" - just over a minute in length - than there is in all of Orvarsson's over-produced, generic, emotionless monstrosity of a score put together...

Tango, come on. Mortal Instruments is not complete and utter shit. It is a good score. Does it have flaws? You bet your ass it does! The action music sounds ripped out of Two Steps From Hell! The electronics in "Vampires and Werewolves" were utter shit! But does that make the entire soundtrack crap? No way! It is a good blend between the classical and the modern and has more than enough to appeal to both camps.

The difference is, you're attacking great music because you don't like it. I'm attacking crap music because it sucks. There's a subtle difference there.

There is nothing in this statement that I can describe as being objective. What one defines as great music and what one defines as subjective are entirely dependent on the individual. There are tons of people that say Citizen Kane is a crappy movie. There are just as many that say the opposite (including myself). Some say Ferris Bueller's Day Off is the best movie ever made. Others suggest Lawrence of Arabia is a better competitor.

Are they right? No. Are they wrong? No.

Music being "more classical" is a GOOD THING in terms of quality.

Correction: Music being more classical CAN be a good thing. Music being derived from modern elements CAN be a bad thing. But nothing guarantees either camp to either quality scale.

tangotreats

08-26-2013, 12:40 AM

Uh... Never mind. Maybe I'll wake up tomorrow morning and this will all be a dream, and people I respected will be talking sense again...

Doublehex

08-26-2013, 01:54 AM

Guys! I got it! I know how to make orchestras popular again! A Satanic Panic!

Think about it. All of the modern musical genres - rock, rap, electronics or anything else - have been linked to Satanism. Or Sex. Or both! And look how inanely popular they are!

So all we need to do is to make people think that listening to orchestral music is equal to singing your soul to the devil! Orchestras will be SWIMMING in money!

For starters, the conductor should be covered in pentagrams and use a whale bone as a baton...

Vinphonic

08-26-2013, 02:40 AM

Welp indeed, so let's get the easy thing out first:

@Tango: I said "a theme" not necessarily "Main Theme" and "based on" can be many things, sort of like Hisaishi's "joke" in Ponyo. ;)

I actually love it when a classical piece is woven into a score (not as a carbon-copy however).

Now to the difficult part:

It's sad to see this kind of discussion in this thread of all places. Since it's also my fault for igniting this it's actually difficult for me to put my thoughts together now on the subject. In short I disagree with Sirusjr 100% and I'm not even sure what to make of Doublehex post.
If you have neither the time nor desire to actually listen to classical music and truely appreciate the orchestra as a tool to express human emotion then I don't even know what to say. Music is a huge part of my life, ever since I heared classical music as a child and I simply cannot understand that someone has no patience to at least listen to it on it's own. Not to mention that there's no musical genre on this planet as diverse as classical music. Heck most classical scores from the early 20th century served as a template for all these film scores we enjoy so much.The thing that makes me angry however is the stigma that classical music is for old farts, it's too many notes too difficult and I'm too dumb to appreciate it anyway. Short answer: No, no and no. Not only are such beliefs completley missing the point of what classical music is (it's not about just getting to the damn point damnit, it's the journey to the point, the point and then conclusion) it's also downright insulting to many young people (I would still count myself as one), musicians, composers and listeners alike who love classical music but are constantly reminded NOT BY OLD FARTS BUT BY PEOPLE OUR AGE that classical music is this boring overdone tiring thing.

And finally:

I believe there is no favorite score of mine, be it film, game or anime that is not classical inspired in some way.
Infact I had a different reaction to City of Bones after LWA: It sucks balls in comparison.
I stay behind Tango on this topic and there is a certain quality in classical music, probably the sheer amount of work and talent you need to proberly use the orchestra for more than 3 minute cues that is simply lost in modern film scores. Not to mention that most composers today have no freaking clue how an orchestra works, so they throw a shitton of synth, guitars and drums over it for no reason. They also cannot be bothered to write (pff who am I kidding) a coherent musical story, the greatest power of classical music and film music of the past. In short, there are a few exceptions but any modern film score I've heared in the last few years was downright terrible in my opinion.
Hollywood is dead to me anyway, I'll grab Star Wars 7 and say goodbye, if I want the music I love, there are other places for me now.

Sirusjr

08-26-2013, 03:10 AM

Following on some of your ideas, how would you suggest that someone start to recognize the musical story-telling? If you can't follow much of what the music is saying while it is building up the background for the exciting climax then it becomes simply noise to the uneducated listener. How does one start to recognize the slow development of musical ideas over the course of a more lengthy piece of music?

EDIT: For example, I am reading a lengthy Sci-fi novel currently and there are a lot of portions of the story that aren't exactly exciting but give development of the characters that I know is going to be important later on. Yet, if I was not able to recognize this as development it would seem like I am wasting my time and I would never get to the good parts. Considering I can rarely understand the development in classical music, it is no surprise that I only appreciate the good parts.

Faleel

08-26-2013, 03:12 AM

I would like to know as well. (I usually start skipping through a piece after the first 2 minutes)

tangotreats

08-26-2013, 03:44 AM

Faith in humanity hereby restored. May I ask your age, sir?

I am 29 - which, though it pains me to acknowledge, makes me an "old fart" in the eyes of the very young. Every day that passes, I become more conscious that I am not of "this" generation. It happened very subtly. I have always felt "out of time" but the feeling becomes more pronounced as I make that awkward move from "young adult" to simply "adult".

This conversation reminds me of an experience I had some seventeen years ago (ugh) in the Royal Albert Hall - probably at the Proms. An old man approached me during the interval and asked "what the devil" I was doing, a twelve year-old boy, at a classical concert. We chatted for a bit, I spoke of my recent discovery of classical music and thirst to learn, etc - and the poor old gentleman paused, and wiped a tear from his eye. I don't remember exactly what he said, but it was along the lines that knowing I had opened my mind to the artform to which he he had devoted the last SEVENTY YEARS... made him feel happy and content that his beloved music would be in safe hands and would be noticed by the incoming generation.

That said...

"The presentation of classical music as stiffy, high-high brow, and gray haired pushes the vast majority of people away. When you have names for movements that all sound the same - Allegros and Minuets and Requiems all sound very confusing and similar to those outside of the loop - it is very hard for newbies to get in."

I've never found classical music like that. Granted, most of the people I know with the greatest enthusiasm for it do have grey hair or NO hair... but that's completely irrelevant. I remember when I was first starting out. I still have the first issue of "Classic FM Magazine" I bought when I was ten years old. At the back were concert listings. I begged my family, and we booked tickets for Sibelius' 5th Symphony and Brahms' 1st Piano Concerto, with Stephen Kovacevich and the Helsinki Philharmonic conducted by Leif Segerstam. The picture on the left is that night; the night my life changed. On the right, a visit to the Proms in 2011.

I went to that concert and then I went home. Two months later, I received an encyclopedia of Classical music for Christmas from which I learned what Allegros, Minuets, and Requiems were... and learned about different eras, different sub-genres, different composers, different techniques. I read about Mahler, so I bought Mahler's 9th symphony. I hated it to death. I put the CD in the cupboard and listened to a lot of Mozart and Beethoven and Gershwin and Tchaikovsky. I bought boxes and boxes of LPs from car boot sales and saved up my pocket money. After a month of saving, I could afford the bus fare up to Oxford Street, one Naxos CD, and the bus fare home. Five years later, I tried Mahler's 9th symphony again, and it made me cry. I started getting into the "harder" stuff, and the rest is history.

I was as newbie as you could possibly be, and I got in just fine. Classical music is not some impenetrable "thing" you can't get admittance to unless you're rich and old. Sometimes it requires a bit of manual effort. Sometimes it is about, as klnerfan so eloquently said, the JOURNEY to the point... but who wants to live in a world where there's no journey, and no anticipation? It is by the process of the journey that we understand where we were and where we are and how those two places are different.

The world is too fast nowadays. People are too fast. Everything is about having everything RIGHT F*****G NOW and then moving on to something else before the contemporary thirty-second attention span is exhausted.

I will now raise an electronic glass, if I may...

Gentlemen, to the journey. :)

Doublehex

08-26-2013, 04:04 AM

@ klnerfan: It's not hard at all to understand what I am trying to say. Classical music suffers from presentation. It suffers from being perceived as being too artsy and too highbrow. If we want classical music - and classically inspired music - to be loved by the general public we need to mainstream. Make it more accessible, easier to understand and less intimidating.

Honestly? I think if we have some casual orchestras - have the conductor and the orchestra dress in casual or business casual wear, let their be drinks and food, let the audience come in whatever appropriate attire they please - that could do wonders. Those types of things could be a great first step for getting people interested. I imagine it would take away the intimidation factor.

Now guys, you keep going on about my "gray hair" comment. I wasn't speaking in the literal sense but in how the general perceive classical music. Look at popular media and you'll see classical composers or fans written off as being old.

Additionally, I am not saying all classical music is boring, with too many notes, unaccessible and the like. But a fair amount of it is - especially modern classical! And classical is perceived as being all of those things when that simply isn't the case. There are some classical music that is...well, just wonderful and HUMMABLE, and attention grabbing from the first note. And there are some that can hold your attention for a long time.

I hope I am making myself clear at this point gents. I'm a little crazy from jumping between half a dozen projects all day long. I respect all of you crazy fools and your mad, insane ideas.

Vinphonic

08-26-2013, 07:35 PM

@Tango I'm turning 25 in a few months so I guess that makes me a "young adult" by definition. But I don't believe that there is a magical barrier that will change you into an "adult" when you turn 30. I know people who are younger than me who think more conservative than my grandparents. I say your outlook on life makes all the diference, not so much your age. Your remark about the speed and shallowness of the modern generation is not only for older people. I had a great discussion with a friend of mine who is a year younger than me and absolutly loves the music of the 70s and 80s, is a real fan of David Bowie and Queen and has trouble as well with the speed of the world and how everything is moving so fast right now. He would rather take life easy instead of being constantly reminded that you need to work your ass off for a shitty job that pays the bill or your not worth a damn thing ... but I digress.

Now on to classical music. My first experience was through my parents who are not into classical music that much but love a few pieces. My mom really loved Ravel's Bolero for instance and that was probably my first exposure to it. The utmost adoration for film music came with all these fun adventure and family films with music by Williams, Horner and Silvestri like they don't make 'em no more.

@Sirusjr: That is actually a very tricky question since I do it subconsciously now but I guess it helps if you concentrate on an instrument (or a section) of the orchestra and follow it in your mind. It also can not hurt to read a bit about music theory. For example I'm currently investing some time to start composing music of my own as a hobby, got a few decent libraries for a relativly low price (god bless educational discount) and it's been great fun so far, exploring the different instruments and finally getting almost the exact same sound you hear in your favorite scores. It's actually a very rewarding experience now to listen to a piece you love (Bolero for instance) and notice all these little things that were always there but you couldn't pinpoint them, like you always loved how the piece builds and builds, gets louder and more intense but you didn't know why it works so well but now you see all these little things like the change of woodwind instruments, the rising velocity of the snare drum, the pizzicato kicking in, the strings taking the lead later on and then the brass and finally all together at the end... beautiful.

That said I can also understand to listen to classical music while doing something else, for example Beethoven Piano Concerto No. 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSeg69d3CQ8) works perfect for building stuff in Minecraft.

hater

08-26-2013, 09:35 PM

Western filmmusic will propably never fully recover from this phase of blandness.when you read someting like audience bitchin� about yareds troy score being too old fashioned then you know its too late.and it only got worse.people other than us dont give a damn about filmscores and hollywood doesn�t either as score is often buried under soundeffects. and of course has to follow a trend, if it fits or not.i can easiily destinguish most goldsmith, williams, poledeuris scores but if i hear some RCP and similar stuff its often impossible to tell where its from.
If the audience doesn�t start complaining about the music it will never go away.the rcp-style music is so easily forgotten that no one thinks about it after the movie.also music is very rarely discussed in filmreviews, which i dont understand.if it makes the movie better or worse in your opinion than tell us about it.
Btw i�m 35 in a few weeks.

Sirusjr

08-26-2013, 10:14 PM

I'm somewhere in between Klnerfan and Tango on age. I've always been a fan of instrumental music over other things. First it was game soundtracks that were rarely orchestral in the early days. I started with NES and SNES roms, especially finding Chrono Trigger to be amazing for the era. In the next generation, on PS1 I was really drawn to Final Fantasy Tactics and Final Fantasy IX. I listened to classical music occasionally but often found it didn't draw me in so I slowly moved to film scores on a whim around 2009 or 2010. From there I explored a lot of the more industrial rock scores at first because they are easily digestible and slowly moved towards the other film scores as I got tired of the music I was hearing from the initial set of composers. So I gradually explored everything I could find and all the orchestral music I could find including all the way back to the 40s and up through modern scores.

Over time I have explored classical music as I get recommendations from people in this thread and elsewhere. I do occasionally enjoy certain composers, including Rachmaninov, Chopin, Grieg, and others. I actually found the Instant Classics disc to be quite delightful and enjoyed some of the Takeshi Yoshimitsu classical compositions posted in this thread. I spent most of my primary school education playing in band up through high school first playing clarinet and later bass clarinet. In some ways that might have been part of my influence towards enjoying orchestral music but who knows.

Sirusjr

08-27-2013, 08:58 PM

Also, La la Land records just released complete version of Wyatt Earp by James Newton Howard. One of his finest scores ever written. I can't wait for a slightly more normalized sound to this. This is one where the album has too much dynamic range.
LA LA LAND RECORDS, Wyatt Earp - James Newton Howard - Limited Edition (http://www.lalalandrecords.com/WyattEarp.html)

tangotreats

08-28-2013, 02:25 AM

I love that score, but oh, dear God, I hope those samples are a very, very late April fool. They sound absolutely hideous. The original album was quite lovely - mastered as it should be - and now we get this over-processed, muddy, compressed trash. Goodbye detail, goodbye space, goodbye room ambience, goodbye subtlety... Hello loud noise.

The original album didn't have "too much" dynamic range because there is no such thing; the object of sound recording (should be) to accurately reproduce - in a realistic space and with realistic dynamics - the sounds made by musicians. Once again, a subset of individuals cry out for "louder, faster, bigger, more!" and everybody suffers as a result. Yes, I'm aware that some people don't like good quality recordings or have a specific need for something with poor dynamics - listening in a car, listening in a quiet environment (so you don't turn up the volume to catch the quiet stuff and then wake up your neighbours when the loud stuff starts) and that's just fine... but the problem is...

...one can take a good, realistic recording, and (if that's what you're in to) process it, compress it, add fake bass, gain-ride, etc, until the cows come home. It is not possible to take a recording to which this insanity has already been applied and process it to sound decent again.

Poor, poor show, La La Land. One size does not fit all. Make a proper release next time.

I believe it's only Intrada left who don't play this stupid game with their remasters. How long until they succumb?

nextday

08-28-2013, 02:29 AM

TAKU IWASAKI - GATCHAMAN CROWDS ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK
FLAC | 472.2 MB | 24 TRACKS | 01:13:00
Studio Orchestra, orchestrated and conducted by Taku Iwasaki

VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/39964)
Catalog Number: VPCG-84945
Release Date: Aug 28, 2013

Tracklist
01 Gotchaman ~ In the name of Love
02 The core of Soul
03 Milestone
04 Firebird
05 Tutu
06 Pandaman
07 Music goes on
08 Phenex
09 Un beau l�opard violet
10 Gatchadance
11 Galax
12 The bird can't fly
13 Are you Gatchaman?
14 Destruction by rumor
15 Why I kissed him?
16 Fat guitar
17 Ziel der Hydra
18 Sacrifice
19 Crowds
20 Unbeatable Network
21 Love
22 INNOCENT NOTE
23 Crowds (TV size)
24 INNOCENT NOTE (TV size)

Download: https://mega.co.nz/#!FZEhUZIA!InkYzHTo5M1BTWfYG5nNbge-HfcLrRMbJu_tpRMSdUk

I'll start off saying that I don't really care the majority of the tracks on here. There's weird tracks like "Ziel der Hydra" where I wonder what the heck Iwasaki was thinking. Orchestra, opera and... dubstep? Ugghhh.

That said, in the middle of this barrage of electronics and dubstep there's actually a few tracks that have not been experimented on at all (or where the experimentation is minimal). I criticize Iwasaki a lot for his recent soundtracks, and I still will, but I can't say that he's lost his ability to write good music.

NaotaM

08-28-2013, 03:32 AM

Tons of thanks for Gatchaman. The show is unbearable, but I've been waiting for the music for a looooong time.

Rajen11

08-28-2013, 03:51 AM

Chrono Trigger Symphony Vol 1 (http://www.loudr.fm/release/chrono-trigger-symphony-vol-1/BFe5n)

Sirusjr

08-28-2013, 04:57 AM

Tango - To a certain extent you are right but I find that overall La La Land strikes a good balance. Yes the bass is a bit heavy on Dave remastered complete but overall the orchestra ends up sounding good. Perhaps you just hear stuff that I am not in there but I have been overall satisfied by what they did on Dave.

streichorchester

08-28-2013, 08:03 AM

step 1. download midis for [insert game name here] from vgmusic.com
step 2. run midis through sampler like kontakt or fruity loop, record efforts
step 3. profit

nextday

08-28-2013, 05:40 PM

MAIKO IUCHI - A CERTAIN MAGICAL INDEX -THE MIRACLE OF ENDYMION- ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK
320K MP3 | SCANS | 136.2 MB | 29 TRACKS | 00:53:17
Studio Orchestra, orchestrated by Keiji Inai, Yasunori Iwasaki & Hayato Matsuo

VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/39579)
Catalog Number: GNXA-7158-CD
Release Date: Aug 28, 2013

Tracklist
01 Title back
02 "ねえ、とうま?
03 劇場版ハリーアップ
04 それが今の私の夢かな
05 劇場版日常
06 劇場版闇の中
07 何もんだよお前ら!
08 Fortis931
09 ...歌いたいよ
10 J.S.Bach-Suite Nr.1 G-dur f�r Violoncello solo BWV 1007 より Prelude
11 劇場版夏の日差し
12 劇場版思い出
13 劇場版常盤台女子寮
14 鳴護アリサは我々黒鴉部隊の庇護下にある
15 ヒトは怠惰で愚かだ
16 劇場版異端審問
17 劇場版吸血殺し
18 アリサが聖人?
19 イノケンティウス
20 シュメールのジグラッド
21 そして奇蹟だけが残った
22 核を始末
23 あの人たちのために、私は歌います
24 あいつのやることって!!
25 もう千年は生きた
26 魔術によって呪われたもの
27 だから私は奇蹟を否定する
28 OVER
29 劇場版歪み

Download: https://mega.co.nz/#!odkXzDSD!V7DC-jxT9nm6Ue92aYfSc3oOr0BnhksP4xHQE1BDUoQ

Hmm, I don't remember the TV soundtracks having music like this. This is still an I've Sound soundtrack though, so there's electronics/guitars mixed in on most of the orchestral tracks.

Sirusjr

08-28-2013, 06:45 PM

Thanks for your shares Nextday. I appreciate your short descriptions as well.

LiquidAcid

08-28-2013, 08:33 PM

void (http://localhost)

Doublehex

08-29-2013, 01:53 AM

step 1. download midis for [insert game name here] from vgmusic.com
step 2. run midis through sampler like kontakt or fruity loop, record efforts
step 3. profit

I am 24 and what is this?

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�

08-29-2013, 01:57 AM

step 1. download midis for [insert game name here] from vgmusic.com
step 2. run midis through sampler like kontakt or fruity loop, record efforts
step 3. profit

There's an awesome VST tool that works splendidly in free mode.
Drum Replacement Tool (http://anonym.to/?http://www.masseyplugins.com/#plugins/drt) by Massey Plugins Inc.

It can scan and detect the transient peaks very well and you can use minor adjustments to eliminate false positives for transients.
After you find the amount you want, just apply any drum or loop sample over it and BAM!

They also have youtube videos too.

Seriously, free version is awesome as it is.
Paid version adds more but not that big of a deal, imo.

Faleel

08-29-2013, 02:53 AM

I am 24 and what is this?

I think he is saying that the CT symphony is really just a guy taking MIDI's re-"performing" them, and making money off of it.

Sirusjr

08-29-2013, 04:19 AM

I think he is saying that the CT symphony is really just a guy taking MIDI's re-"performing" them, and making money off of it.

Yup. Doesn't sound like there are any original arrangements involved. Still waiting for a true Chrono Symphony though I know that won't really exist. (Yes I know about the suite on one of the orchestral albums from Germany but I want a proper recording).

nipponsensei

08-29-2013, 07:56 PM

Blood Lad O.S.T. 1 | MP3 320K | 132MB

Composed by: Hayashi Yuki
Catalog Number: VTCL-60352
Release Date: Aug 28, 2013
VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/40096)

Tracklist
01 BLOOD LAD
02 Nichijou Makai
03 TRYAGAIN!
04 Iraira
05 Usankusai Yatsu
06 Itsumo No Are.
07 Dari
08 HATOMUNE
09 Nakama(Pf-Mix)
10 Taiji
11 Final Phantasy
12 Quick Attack
13 Shoudou
14 BLOOD LAD (Em-Mix)
15 Osore
16 Kampai!
17 Ningenkai
18 Hajimete No
19 Karenna
20 Wolf
21 Stay as you are
22 TWILIGHT
23 LOVE&HATE
24 Masquerade
25 YAH YAH YAH

Password ZIP: senseiow

Download: T�l�chargement de fichier (http://nx4q9e.1fichier.com/)

nextday

08-29-2013, 08:13 PM

For anyone wondering about the above post, Blood Lad is composed by Yuki Hayashi and the music is acoustic.

Sunderella

08-29-2013, 09:35 PM

Funny news. Alexandre Desplat is scoring Godzilla according to this site -> "The behind-the-scenes creative team includes Oscar�-nominated director of photography Seamus McGarvey (�Anna Karenina,� �Atonement�); production designer Owen Paterson (�The Matrix� trilogy); editor Bob Ducsay (�Looper�); Oscar�-nominated costume designer Sharen Davis (�Dreamgirls,� �Ray,� �Django Unchained�); and Oscar�-winning visual effects supervisor Jim Rygiel (the �Lord of the Rings� films). The score is being created by Oscar�-nominated composer Alexandre Desplat (�Argo,� �The King�s Speech�)."

Legendary | Godzilla (http://www.legendary.com/films/godzilla)

tangotreats

08-29-2013, 10:09 PM

Wow... so Godzilla will not be fucked up by an incompetent composer after all! It will, instead, be fucked up by a competent composer... ;)

LeatherHead333

08-29-2013, 10:16 PM

Wait they are making another Godzilla movie? I honestly thought that franchise was dead long ago o_O.

gururu

08-29-2013, 10:24 PM

Funny news. Alexandre Desplat is scoring Godzilla…

The only news that's peaked my interest in the film to be honest.

Sirusjr

08-30-2013, 06:09 AM

For anyone wondering about the above post, Blood Lad is composed by Yuki Hayashi and the music is acoustic.

Also a bit of a strange funk sound. Not really a lot of interesting material in there IMO. Not bad for a first major score though. Only two tracks have significant melodic material.

boogiepop.phantom

08-30-2013, 12:05 PM

Also a bit of a strange funk sound. Not really a lot of interesting material in there IMO. Not bad for a first major score though. Only two tracks have significant melodic material.

Yuki Hayashi is around for a while already and this is definitely not his first major score.

Doublehex

08-30-2013, 01:24 PM

Wow... so Godzilla will not be fucked up by an incompetent composer after all! It will, instead, be fucked up by a competent composer... ;)

Oh come now. His Harry Potter scores were pretty good!

Aoiichi_nii-san

08-31-2013, 12:07 AM

For any British forum goers, last night's (as of ten minutes ago) Hollywood prom was a real scorcher, even if just for the performances of Robin Hood and Ben Hur- I well advise you to go seek it out on iPlayer. As for tonight, there's another film music prom of "modern" "classics"... we'll see how that pans out.

tangotreats

08-31-2013, 12:15 AM

[Edit: Maybe not...]

streichorchester

08-31-2013, 10:54 AM

Ha, Horner has been booted from Amazing Spider-Man 2 AND Romeo and Juliet?? What's been going on with him? I'd ask the folks over at FSM but they scare me a little.

ApertureSilence

08-31-2013, 11:10 AM

Thanks for the Sea Dogs and Age of Pirates scores. Really top-notch stuff.

Doublehex

08-31-2013, 02:00 PM

Ha, Horner has been booted from Amazing Spider-Man 2 AND Romeo and Juliet?? What's been going on with him? I'd ask the folks over at FSM but they scare me a little.

Okay, at first I was certain that ASM2 was due to studio incompetence. But him being booted from that AND Romeo and Juliet? I'm willing to bet that will have something to do with something on his end. I usually don't dissolve into gossip but I have heard that he isn't the nicest guy to be around. His comments on Yared's Troy score does give some support to that theory.

But I don't really feel bad for the guy. I mean he has has a rich career, and its not at all like he is being cutting off in midst of his prime. Him being replaced by Abel Korzeniowski is not nearly as disheartening as he is by Hans Zimmer. Korzeniowski is a pretty great composer who definitely leans on the classically minded side of things.

nextday

08-31-2013, 02:16 PM

REIJIRO KOROKU - RENNYO MONOGATARI ORIGINAL SOUND TRACK
FLAC, LOG, CUE | SCANS | 209.9 MB | 12 TRACKS | 00:44:38
Moscow International Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Konstantin D. Krimets

VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/41336)
Catalog Number: KICA-4001
Release Date: Mar 27, 1998

Tracklist
01. The Town at Daybreak - Rakuyo
02. Hoteimaru
03. Vicissitudes
04. Trembling Eyes
05. Time of Parting
06. Color
07. Memories
08. The Story of Rennyo
09. Bright Light
10. Method
11. Memory of a Dream - Yashome
12. Yashome

Translated, ripped, scanned, etc. by me.

Download: https://mega.co.nz/#!QBkSnDIR!He8FmBDO1j08uGF05wZ5NiJXnot1MMnwDnKc05B AaWg

Here's a little something I got recently. It must be pretty unknown considering I couldn't even find a synopsis for the movie in English. Anyways, some nice music here from Reijiro Koroku, who you may know for Kessen. This his last released anime soundtrack as far as I can tell. After a couple more anime movies in the early 2000s he stopped composing for anime and moved to dramas and movies, which he has been doing ever since.

Tr.1,11,12 featuring vocal by Chieko Baisho and Yoshikazu Mera. Mera had performed the theme song for Princess Mononoke the year before this and Baisho went on star in Howl's Moving Castle in 2004 in addition to performing the theme song. The more you know.

Herr Salat

08-31-2013, 03:02 PM

Thank you, nextday. I was looking at that list with the works Mr. Krimets conducted. I bought a Taro Iwashiro / Mosfilm Orchestra / conducted by Mr. Krimets album that was disappointing. ~~I'm sure this'll be better~~. This is great! :'D

nextday

08-31-2013, 03:56 PM

Well if you put Koroku up against Iwashiro, Koroku comes out on top every time. Or at least so I think.

And that's an good list. Led me to a couple other interesting albums (though not by Krimets) which I'll probably get some time in the coming months. Stay tuned.

JBarron2005

08-31-2013, 04:22 PM

A wonderful release by La-La Land Records that I must bring to everyone's attention... Matrix Reloaded Limited Edition Original Soundtrack. I am so glad that this gets a release and the music is just superb. I love what Don Davis did with this. Or course my favorite out of the trilogy is Revolutions which I am hoping they do a complete release for that also. Anyway, here it is.

Please give thanks to the original uploader (The 4th) :).

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tangotreats

08-31-2013, 11:04 PM

COMING UP shortly... A wonderful British score from 1985, by a famous composer who celebrates his eighty-third birthday on November 3rd... and it's still waiting for an official CD release. There are a few bootleg CDs out there, but they all have their problems.

The composer conducts the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra at Angel Studios in London. Now, finally, we can hear it in insanely beautiful sound quality... a remaster and restoration to be proud of - produced by yours truly, with original transfer work and manual restoration undertaken at 96000khz 24-bit resolution, and with brand new cover artwork and liner notes...

Zippyshare.com - - ssshhhh2.flac (http://www11.zippyshare.com/v/65129220/file.html) <--- Please download the FLAC, don't listen to the crap quality AAC streaming version ZippyShare offer...!

The score cannot be posted openly (it'll be one of those "PM for a link" affairs) due to a forum embargo on music released by a certain label... So, enjoy this brief sample... but please don't be too overt about it if you recognise the score or the label concerned. They deleted this from their catalogue in the late eighties so it's safe to say they don't care about it from a revenue perspective... but the rules are the rules...

Aoiichi_nii-san

08-31-2013, 11:27 PM

I've taken the liberty of recording Monday's BBC Proms extra, featuring much under-appreciated Debbie Wiseman in a discussion about the history and art of film music. With mentions of Korngold to Stravinsky in L.A, and Bugs Bunny and 12-tone theory, it's well worth a listen. Unfortunately, it's edited down from the live broadcast version, but still has a lot of interesting content.

Download links for BBC_Proms_film_music_extra.mp3 - Mirrorcreator - Upload files to multiple hosts (http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/8Z3B4NHD/BBC_Proms_film_music_extra.mp3_links)

And a (not so small) request: can someone set me up with a copy of The Count of Monte Cristo by Edward Shearmur? Been looking for it ages after hearing a small suite on youtube, but none of my efforts (even here) have been successful.

Herr Salat

08-31-2013, 11:29 PM

bishtyboshty

08-31-2013, 11:42 PM

.

I'd have thought that this one would be better ?.

http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/edward-shearmur-count-monte-cristo-@flac-81116/

Aoiichi_nii-san

08-31-2013, 11:42 PM

That's what I meant by my efforts being fruitless, I did, but I'm not "deserving" enough. I love we've got such a big community here dedicated to film music and spawns massive walls of text with analyses and debates every other page, but the kind of closed-club hoop jumping it takes sometimes is kind of frustrating. I understand people in possession of somewhat rarer scores might want to keep them closer at hand, but aren't we all here to share and appreciate fine music, first and foremost?

I'd have thought that this one would be better ?.

http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/edward-shearmur-count-monte-cristo-@flac-81116/

It's a megaupload link mate, got a small problem there...

On another note, the BBC Proms Hollywood extravaganza/film music proms are now available online... I'll see if I can rip those too, but the audio streams seem limited to 128kbps and get_iplayer has decided to crap itself.

Herr Salat

08-31-2013, 11:47 PM

Aoiichi_nii-san, Edward Sheamur's "Count of Monte Cristo" ordered. It's on iTunes, but I hope you can wait for a proper CD rip.

Thanks for that BBC Proms Extra episode. Here's a link for the episode information, for those curious :'D

bbc.co.uk/programmes/b038y3tz (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b038y3tz)

bishtyboshty

08-31-2013, 11:57 PM

That's what I meant by my efforts being fruitless, I did, but I'm not "deserving" enough. I love we've got such a big community here dedicated to film music and spawns massive walls of text with analyses and debates every other page, but the kind of closed-club hoop jumping it takes sometimes is kind of frustrating. I understand people in possession of somewhat rarer scores might want to keep them closer at hand, but aren't we all here to share and appreciate fine music, first and foremost?

It's a megaupload link mate, got a small problem there...

On another note, the BBC Proms Hollywood extravaganza/film music proms are now available online... I'll see if I can rip those too, but the audio streams seem limited to 128kbps and get_iplayer has decided to crap itself.

Not when I'm re-uploading it...

Phideas1 "lovely person" downloaded the Flac version a year ago, and now seems to be offering it in MP3-Only for "deserving" members only.

I'm re-uploading the Flac version for everyone.

I would have re-uploaded it sooner, but no-one asked in the Flac thread.

Update: Re-upload now active.

On the same basis that any country with "democratic" in its title isn't.

Then anyone describing himself as a "lovely person" ?.

Aoiichi_nii-san

09-01-2013, 12:07 AM

Thanks bishtyboshty! And Herr Salat, apologies if I made you order the score prematurely... but from what I've already heard, I think it's an entry in your physical collection that well deserves a place.

tangotreats

09-01-2013, 12:29 AM

Aoiichi: Don't worry, I've got it all at 320kbps AAC. Sounds beautiful. Will upload soon. :)

Herr Salat

09-01-2013, 12:42 AM

Sirusjr

09-01-2013, 01:37 AM

Yuki Hayashi is around for a while already and this is definitely not his first major score.

Well I mostly went by what I found on VGMDB, which admittedly isn't always accurate. Since I didn't see much there I figured there wasn't much.

tangotreats

09-01-2013, 01:55 AM

VARIOUS ARTISTS
BBC Proms 2013
Prom 65 - Film Music Prom

BBC Concert Orchestra
Valentina Lisitsa, piano
Lawrence Power, viola
conducted by
Keith Lockhart

Live from the Royal Albert Hall in London.

AAC @ 320kbps

https://mega.co.nz/#!M9gEDIaD!VYlBRn2caR0oZ6aXjCYjhyC7W91sA-mMB3-VY6YlRs8

Well, what a smashing concert this was! Film music concerts are usually quite predictable, and this one isn't really surprising (although it's nice to hear Independence Day and Alien, alongside a nice big chunk of British scores - they don't crop up very often) with most of the workhorse scores here as expected... but what it does, it does well. The performance is fantastic, the recording is stunning, and since the BBC have FINALLY sorted out their "weird clicking noise on iPlayer streams" (thanks to Yours Truly shouting at their technical support department for the better part of three years) we can hear it in absolutely gorgeous quality.

Even Star Trek Into Darkness sounds marginally more competent than it did in the film - and that's saying something!

I have losslessly split the concert into tracks for your convenience. And yes, I am aware that I have spelled Petroc Trelawny's name incorrectly in the tags - I don't care. He's a twat. Move along, please.

From the BBC's own description of the concert:

Film music from British war films dominate the first half including Walton's original music for 'Battle of Britain'. Part 2 is given over to music with a space connection including the UK premiere of music from the latest Star Trek.

Live from the Royal Albert Hall, London

Presented by Petroc Trelawny

Alwyn The True Glory - March Walton Suite - Battle of Britain Richard Rodney Bennett Lady Caroline Lamb - Elegy Lucas Ice Cold in Alex - March Addinsell Warsaw Concerto (from 'Dangerous Moonlight')

8.25 Interval

8.50 Strauss Also sprach Zarathustra - opening Ligeti Atmosph�res (excerpt) Johann Strauss II By the Beautiful Blue Danube - waltz (excerpt) M. Giacchino Suite from Star Trek Into Darkness UK premiere David Arnold Independence Day - closing title Jerry Goldsmith Alien - closing title John Williams Star Wars Suite

Enjoy! :)
TT

streichorchester

09-01-2013, 04:11 AM

Okay, at first I was certain that ASM2 was due to studio incompetence. But him being booted from that AND Romeo and Juliet? I'm willing to bet that will have something to do with something on his end. I usually don't dissolve into gossip but I have heard that he isn't the nicest guy to be around. His comments on Yared's Troy score does give some support to that theory.
True, he's not nice at all. But that never hurt him before. His friction with Cameron on Aliens is what eventually lead to Titanic and Tory. Maybe it is coming to an end for him. Last I heard R&J was a completed score, fully recorded, people were already writing reviews. Add it to the list of rejected scores that we will probably seeing a bootleg for here very soon. Maybe it didn't vibe with test audiences (some reviews mentioned it sounding like The Pelican Brief which is definitely odd...) Also heard that Silvestri is not scoring Captain America 2. It seems the 80s guys are being phased out.

Sirusjr

09-01-2013, 04:35 AM

I'd really like to hear what the new crop of composers can do if they are asked to write a big sweeping melodic thematic score (like Orvarsson wrote for Mortal Instruments City of Bones). I have faith that they have the skills from what I heard of Balfe in his score to Megamind though I suspect they are just not asked to write that sort of music. A real shame.

Though I should say that I saw The Grandmaster today and there was some fantastic music in there, though I can't easily tell what is original and what is existing music. I did hear some quite lovely themes though.

LeSamourai

09-01-2013, 04:52 AM

Thanks, Tango!

boogiepop.phantom

09-01-2013, 06:04 AM

Well I mostly went by what I found on VGMDB, which admittedly isn't always accurate. Since I didn't see much there I figured there wasn't much.

He mostly did TV drama stuff so far (Strawberry Night, Rich Man Poor Woman, Zettai Reido, Hidarime Tantei EYE...). He also worked with Hiroyuki Sawano a couple times :)
Blood Lad is his first anime score where he is the main composer though. The next one will be Diabolik Lovers (an otome game adaption) coming in late september and a new Gundam show in october.

tangotreats

09-01-2013, 04:06 PM

...A big sweeping melodic thematic score like Orvarsson wrote for Mortal Instruments City of Bones.

LOLWUT?

streichorchester

09-01-2013, 04:46 PM

The prevailing theory right now is that today's crop of composers aren't writing scores like E.T., The Omen, Krull, Back to the Future, North by Northwest, etc. simply because they aren't being asked to. In my opinion, they are incapable of reaching that level, and were hired because they were adequately skilled, and get the job done in a timely and cost-effective manner. It's outsourcing.

Doublehex

09-01-2013, 05:47 PM

LOLWUT?

You heard him. And I don't disagree.

tangotreats

09-01-2013, 06:38 PM

It's still crap.

Doublehex

09-01-2013, 06:52 PM

In your opinion. ;)

tangotreats

09-01-2013, 06:53 PM

Not opinion; fact. It's crap. Musically, it's crap.

Edit: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-09-01/hayao-miyazaki-to-retire-from-making-feature-films

Oh, bugger... what if he means it this time?

Sirusjr

09-01-2013, 07:28 PM

It's still crap.

Yes but it does have actual melodies and themes. I don't deny that behind the themes it is a bit of the typical modern sound but it is a huge step in the right direction. And compared to Iron Man 3 where the themes are surrounded by pounding bass and electric guitar, Mortal Instruments is mostly orchestral.

EDIT: Also how about so me more detailed criticism rather than "it is musically crap"

Doublehex

09-01-2013, 07:53 PM

Not opinion; fact. It's crap. Musically, it's crap.

Rarely are things so clear cut. Music can be bad; but why? Are there redeeming elements? Is it amateurish? Too ambitious? And even then it is rarely straight down, objective, facts. Are there any redeeming values of the piece? Do they save the music, or is it just not enough? What one man says is a POS another man praises to the high heavens. And so long as they have good reasons with logical foundations, they are both right.

Just like with any other art form. One man says Citizen Kane is the best movie of all time; the other says Ferris Bueller. Neither are wrong.

Sirusjr

09-01-2013, 08:28 PM

They are wrong when they call The Big Lebowski the best movie ever. I want to punch those people in the face with a bowling ball.

Doublehex

09-01-2013, 08:40 PM

They are wrong when they call The Big Lebowski the best movie ever. I want to punch those people in the face with a bowling ball.

I have learned, long ago, that in casual conversation "the best" is just another way of saying "I liked this alot". When somebody says "this is my most favorite", that is when you have to take things seriously.

This bit of knowledge has prevented just as many arguments as it has spawned. I honestly do not know if I am better for it or not.

Sirusjr

09-01-2013, 08:56 PM

Yes but that movie was full of stupid so bad I couldn't finish it.

NaotaM

09-01-2013, 09:24 PM

Not opinion; fact. It's crap. Musically, it's crap.

Edit: Hayao Miyazaki Retires From Making Feature Films - News - Anime News Network (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-09-01/hayao-miyazaki-to-retire-from-making-feature-films)

Oh, bugger... what if he means it this time?

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

But in seriousness, please quit it. If the fact posters whose usernames aren't "NaotaM" are starting to react poorly to your dismissive blanket statements isn't enough of a sign, I dunno what is. It's OK to just admit how you feel about something is just an opinion. It's cool. It's how discussion is born and (possibly) minds are changed, and you're always going on about how much you love that, so lay off all the dismissal lately. The people here clearly trust your judgement and taste. It's time to start paying that back in earnest.

It's just music, anyway.

In Miyazaki news, welp...we'll see. Even if he does decide to finally hang it up for good, he left a hell of a career behind him, and there are worse notes to go out on; The Wind Rises is getting lots of favorable comparisons to Porco Rosso, which has me hyped.

Besides, what Ghibli really needs now is some new blood.

EDIT: You're being insulting enough for the both of us... *eyerolls

tangotreats

09-01-2013, 09:42 PM

Ah, that again. Not going to work, but nice try. It must've taken a great deal of restraint on your part to avoid insulting me too much in that post. I've got to compliment you for that. ;)

In Miyazaki news, welp...we'll see. Even if he does decide to finally hang it up for good, he left a hell of a career behind him, and there are worse notes to go out on; The Wind Rises is getting lots of favorable comparisons to Porco Rosso, which has me hyped.

Besides, what Ghibli really needs now is some new blood.

He has indeed... it's not like anybody could say "Oh, but he never lived up to his potential!" because he did and he's earned his retirement probably twenty times over by now. It'll still be a massive shame to see him go. Is there anybody who could really "replace" him? I think not. This could be really, REALLY bad news for Ghibli - when one looks at box-office returns of their non-Miyazaki films, well, it doesn't make joyous reading.

If this really is the end of Miyazaki's feature-film career, well, bugger... my enthusiasm for and interest in anime has just dropped a few points...

Aoiichi_nii-san

09-01-2013, 10:49 PM

But in seriousness, please quit it. If the fact posters whose usernames aren't "NaotaM" are starting to react poorly to your dismissive blanket statements isn't enough of a sign, I dunno what is. It's OK to just admit how you feel about something is just an opinion. It's cool. It's how discussion is born and (possibly) minds are changed, and you're always going on about how much you love that, so lay off all the dismissal lately. The people here clearly trust your judgement and taste. It's time to start paying that back in earnest.

Yeah, this is why I don't bother adding any meaningful discussion, analysis or debate regarding scores; I know it'll just be dismissed out of hand with a dictionary attack using as many entries for "bad" because the subject of the discussion is inevitably factually, and musically, crap (??????). It's a shame, because although there's some good discussions that pop up, there could be a lot more. And any that do always seem to end up with "You hate great music because you think it's bad, I hate bad music because it must be factually bad!"

Anyway, are there any plans to upload John Wilson's Hollywood Rhapsody prom? The performance of Ben-Hur at the end is worth it alone.

Sirusjr

09-01-2013, 11:12 PM

But that's why we need some serious musical discussion going on. I know it is hard to meaningfully develop criticism of something that you didn't get into, so if you can't do that, just say "I didn't really get into that one" or "I didn't find it particularly interesting" and leave it at that. As much as I understand Tango's position behind his "This music is factually bad" it just comes off as condescending and snobbish. Yes we get it, there are objective criteria from which you can judge music, but this is a forum where we mostly share music of anime, video games, and films for Gods sake. It just leads to flamewars when certain users post "I enjoyed this score" and they are met with "Haha you like trash"

Doublehex

09-01-2013, 11:22 PM

My point exactly. We are not encouraging discussions here. We are encouraging wanking to only a very restricted selection of music. Instead of saying "this soundtrack is crap", why not [I}say[/I] why? I mean, isn't that the point of this thread in the first place? We hated how everyone else would just do less than 10 word "comments" to a score. We are doing the exact opposite here! We are writing, at minimum, why we hate score A or B.

What's the point of even coming here anymore? We're no different than the rest of the Shrine if we continue what we're doing.

Don't like a soundtrack? FINE. But A), don't make your opinion fact (because unless God made you the Patron Deity of Music, you sure as hell aren't), and B) explain your reasonings.

tangotreats

09-01-2013, 11:51 PM

Edit one last time: Bollocks.

streichorchester

09-02-2013, 12:35 AM

Yes but it does have actual melodies and themes. I don't deny that behind the themes it is a bit of the typical modern sound but it is a huge step in the right direction. And compared to Iron Man 3 where the themes are surrounded by pounding bass and electric guitar, Mortal Instruments is mostly orchestral.

EDIT: Also how about so me more detailed criticism rather than "it is musically crap"
I'll bite:
Listening to full score on youtube here: The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones Full Score - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t7ZGU53TVw)
-kinda new agey, atmospheric, but still listening
-harmonies are really simple
-i like the ascending bass line in trombones, hope to hear more of that
-it sounds like the harmony is dictating the melody when it should be the other way around; this makes for a nice sound, but not memorable
-more atmosphere, random choirs and voices
-5 minutes in and all I've heard so far is harmony and atmosphere - a perfect example of orchestral wallpaper
-skipping ahead to 7 minutes - this piano sounds nice, but again, this isn't a melody. it has melodic shapes, but they're almost randomly placed so as not to hit any interesting notes
-"interesting notes" would be like what Prokofiev does in his melodies, and some describe it as "angular", but not here
-this piano stuff around 9 minutes in is very "linear" and boring
-batman appears 10 minutes in (zimmer batman, not elfman or goldenthal or walker :( )
-this is some serious ES Posthumus ripoff trailer music garbage
-skipping ahead to 14 minutes, still trailer music
-16:30, more zimmer
-18:00 lol so EPIC!!! it's like jesus and buddha in a death grip atop mount olympus
-22:00 somebody take those choir samples away from this guy
-27:30 wtf

I could not make it past this point. This is NOT orchestral music. This is a bunch of sound effects that sometimes resembles violins and cellos and french horns. This is not worth discussing except to point out that it is another casualty in the Zimmerification of film scores.

I wish I had heeded your warning, tango.

edit: if "big sweeping melodic thematic score" is what people are using to describe this, how do we describe E.T. then? we are shooting ourselves in the foot if we overload our terminology. we already sullied the word "epic", let's not do the same with words like "sweeping" and "melodic" and "thematic" (although it is "big", i'll give you that, but as long as we can follow up with "steaming pile")

i like pie

Doublehex

09-02-2013, 12:42 AM

I agree with you in part there. The "chorus" sounds ripped right out of Two Steps From Hell - and I eagerly criticized it for it. And in "Vampires and Werewolves" when it was blaring with electronica crap? Blagh.

But when the composer actually trusted his abilities, and just let the orchestral music work? It worked pretty damn well.

Sirusjr

09-02-2013, 02:59 AM

Can you explain in depth more how these themes I hear in this are somehow "not themes" or what makes them melodic shapes but not melodies?

Sanico

09-02-2013, 03:19 AM

Debbie Wiseman said on her face that the proms concert with John Wilson was "superb". Is there a streaming or some recording anywhere of that concert?

NaotaM

09-02-2013, 03:21 AM

Can you explain in depth more how these themes I hear in this are somehow "not themes" or what makes them melodic shapes but not melodies?

Listening to it now...It's like...Imagine you have a cue in E.T. or something, and it's mostly it's own piece; the strings are on hyperdrive, there's some twinkly bits here and there to add a touch of whimsy. It's mostly standalone, but then a brief little whisper of the main theme appears in there somewhere. It's blink and you miss it(or in this case, yawn or something) but you immediately recognize it as a melody either because it was stated in grand form before or made appearances all throughout the score. In it's ultimate statement, it's a long-form, distinctive sequence of notes that consistently flow into each other as a cohesive piece of music. Basically, the best way to tell if something is "melodic" is if you can hum it.

Now take that brief snippet of the main theme, a couple notes long at most, and imagine the main theme turning out to be nothing but those couple notes, just stretched out with lots of generic sighing harmonies in the accompaniment that don't add to the melody so much as just vaguely echo it in this droning wash on and on.

I don't terribly care if you can "hum" a piece of music or not, nor do I necessarily use that as a barometer of quality, but this seems to be what people mean when they refer to something as "themeless." "Underdeveloped" or "elementary" may be better words, as maybe they do serve as themes, but they're tragically underdeveloped ones.

That's Mortal Bones' problem, which it shares with many other recent scores; its stronger moments have some vague, derivative power to them, but nothing is coalescing into something that sounds like a full melody, into something I can grab onto or remember. My thoughts thru the first fifteen minutes were: "Uh-huh....yup, atmospherics...huh, this is kinda nice...and there go the droning strings again." Little moments and a whole bunch of nothing in between, and everything sloughs together, to the point it doesn't feel like it has themes. If there are, I can't recognize any.

I can see what people enjoy about this kind of sound, but I've heard and forgotten a thousand scores just like it. But hey, at least people are voicing some detailed thoughts.

Sirusjr

09-02-2013, 03:43 AM

NaotaM

09-02-2013, 04:35 AM

But that's the thing. I recognize the themes in Mortal Instruments when they appear, both in the full statements and partial statements. I'll admit that the background stuff isn't exactly memorable but I found the themes quite engaging, and I do mean plural themes because there are a few. I also found myself whistling them, just as I did with Iron Man 3's main theme and a few other recent scores. Yeah the themes are mostly a string of short motifs but when stated in full to me they make up proper lengthy themes.

More power to you, then.

Honestly, I can't say I'm having as much luck. It's nice to have a more acoustic general sound to it across the board as opposed to the relentlessly produced efforts in Hollywood scores nowadays, but I can't help but suspect that may just be due to budget. The Mortal Instruments(whose title I got wrong before, d'oh) is a decidedly B-level release by most respects and everything I've heard indicate a lack of effort all around. Could be they initially wanted to go with a more modern Hollywood sound and didn't have the resources to go whole-hog, cause it certainly sounds like it in places.

Clary's Theme and Your Secret is Safe are lovely, but even with the orchestral stuff, it all just kinda sounds like Fable/The Witcher/Everything Fantasy-related on tv right now.

But while it does little for me, the signs of returning to slightly more melodic material and emphasis on themes in film music is encouraging.

It's funny that you compare it to E.T. because I consider that one of the more classical Williams scores that I just can't get into. I've tried to but it doesn't draw me in. Maybe part of it is I haven't seen the movie except for once as a child, so I wasn't exactly looking for where the material fits with characters. It is one of Williams' more complex scores and so I've never gotten a good grasp of it even when listening to the supposed best sounding version.

Lolo I was just grasping at random for an example, really. You bring up a good point, though, and one you made earlier but I missed, so apologies; it doesn't mean you're dumb just because you don't immediately latch onto complex Classical works or the genre in general, or that it's irrational or anti-intellectual to try. What people like is what people like.

I couldn't get into Classical music, or indeed Film music at all, for the longest time. It was the classic case of Public Domain Fatigue(coining now). Far as I was concerned, I'd already heard all the good stuff a thousand times just by virtue of it being fucking everywhere, and everything else was all harpsichords and overlong plodding stretches of seemingly random melodies and phrases. The monumental track lengths and sheer breadth of the music itself can be a huge hurdle for someone who doesn't have the time to just lay back and take it all in at the pace it seems to demand, and at the time, I simply wasn't fond of the grandoise sound of it all. It's really no different from discovering any other genre of music. You either react poorly to it, enjoy it kinda passively; something to tap your foot to or have on the radio; or dive in and do research and find more like what spoke to you. With classical music, I hovered somewhere around the middle option for most of my teenage life. (I am newly 25.)

Film scores, meanwhile, disagreed with me due to their cinematic tendencies. Cinematic. For a long time, hearing the word applied to music was a red flag. The constant driving orchestration and the abrupt shifts of tone and emotion meant to sync with the actions onscreen struck me as extremely jarring to the point of seeming bipolar, certainly counterintuitive to standalone listening. I could never keep up, particularly with many Golden Age scores and a LOT of Williams, and again, I figured just growing up an American left me inundated with all the noteworthy examples of the medium already.

If it's something that you ever grow into at all, it'll probably just happen naturally. Listening to a lot of the scores posted here, for instance, helped me adjust and gradually develop a taste for more and more composers of both branches of music, and it's getting easier to stomach the thirty-min Mahler symphonies little-by-little. A long Kanno/Hirano-heavy phase helps, too. Sometimes, it pays to revisit things you previously found disagreeable with fresh ears, but at the end of the day, I can't claim life feels any brighter just because I discovered Debussy or something.

This brings me back to my point earlier that was quickly dismissed by the more classically oriented on here. What I look for in scores and most music is simple hooks that grab me and draw me in. If later I might learn to appreciate the complicated supporting music, so be it, but that is not a necessity to my enjoyment. Jurassic Park and Indiana Jones have that so that even though I might not understand the rest of the score, I occasionally hear some statements of the big themes I love so much and I get that.

I still haven't gotten around to really sitting down and listening to most of William's oeuvre. As stated, never really felt it necessary. As my tastes broaden, however, it really feels like I probably should, kinda as an obligation. Always kinda wanted to, and never had a reason to badmouth Williams. Things just didn't work out that way. I've seen distressingly little of some of these classic films. >.>

Perhaps it is a sign of weakness that I hear the themes so frequently in Mortal Instruments but it keeps me engaged.

Not at all.

JBarron2005

09-02-2013, 04:42 AM

I just hope this doesn't mean the end of Hisaishi Ghibli scores... I believe those are my favorites out of Hisaishi's career.

streichorchester

09-02-2013, 06:55 AM

Can you explain in depth more how these themes I hear in this are somehow "not themes" or what makes them melodic shapes but not melodies?
Melodies usually have a beginning and end. A motif can be melodic, but it is only a piece of a larger melody, hence it has a melodic shape (also possible is rhythmic shape, but rarely.) A motif doesn't usually have a beginning and and end, because if it did, it wouldn't be a part of a larger melody. It would be a melody itself. A melody that serves a motivic purpose like this is a theme.

Some melodies can be part of even larger melodic/thematic chains/sequences, such as Williams's theme to Jurassic Park or Horner's theme to Apollo 13. Those themes have distinctive sections such as A, B, C, A', etc.

A good melody/theme is made up of strong motivic cells. Take theme theme from Back to the Future for example. The first motivic cell (we'll use C major) is G C F#. These three notes are not a theme, but most people familiar with that score will recognize it as being part of the main theme. It plays throughout the movie, often by itself, representing adventure and scientific intrigue. Sometimes it's combined with other motivic cells to make new themes.

Why is G C F# not only such a great beginning of a theme but also a great motif? Because it is "angular." The shape, comprised of two large leaps with no stepwise movement, is not intuitive, nor are the notes harmonically simple or pleasant to the ears (our ears like simple harmonies.)

Breaking it down:
G down to to C: large harmonic leap, simple, lots of themes begin this way
C up to F#: large non-harmonic leap, complex, unexpected
total leap count: 2
leaps per note ratio: 2/3 = 66%
As a bonus, here's Star Wars:
C up to G: large harmonic leap, simple
G down to F to E to D: harmonic stepwise motion, simple (like Korngold's King's Row, amirite?)
D up to C: very large non-harmonic leap, complex, shoots up to outer space!
C down to G: large leap, inversion of the opening C to G, harmonic, familiar
Leaps per note ratio: 3/7 = 43%
(speaking of shooting up to outer space, Williams does it again in Superman which contains a very large non-harmonic leap of C to B in the middle of the main theme)

If Silvetri's G C F# were G C E it would sound much more pleasing, but no longer adventurous. It would sound like a nursery rhyme. But that's child's play. Silvestri is a man, and a real man like his themes with manly ruggedness. Screw tonality: put in the F#, as Prokofiev would. Now we have an adventure worth listening to.

(Also interesting to note that the theme to Digimon is almost the same thing: C G F#)

Since this theme is non-intuitive, our ears have a hard time remembering it. Silvestri counteracts this by using it over and over, forcing our ears to respond. By forcing us to remember it, we learn to love it every time we hear it, even though me might not consciously know why. This is because our brain is naturally wired to find patterns in sounds, thus turning even the most outrageously atonal sounds into viable motifs gathered we hear it enough.

Luckily no matter how many times we hear this G C f# motif, it doesn't get old! This is because it lends itself to rhythmic variation (Silvestri often changes the rhythmic makeup of the 3 notes. Listening to the entire theme, I don�t hear much melodic variation such as inversion or retrograde, but that's okay. I hear a shit-ton of harmonic variation (Silvestri repeats the same thing over a few times, increasing the harmony by a semi-tone each time, making things sound more and more anxious.) From this we can conclude the sequence G C F# is a strong motif because of its angular melodic shape, and thus forms the basis of a strong theme.

Listen for yourself: Back To The Future Theme Song By Alan Silvestri (1985) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTGyeGgMpk8)

I counted hearing the C G F# motif 21 times in those 3 minutes. There are also quite a few other motives Silvestri references here that can be found littered throughout the rest of the score. It's really quite amazing.

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Now I'm not comparing Silvestri's Back to the Future, one of the greatest film scores ever written, to "Mortal Instruments City of Bones." I'm just giving an example of a framework we might use to analyze either score and point out the successes and failures in melodic/thematic complexity and innovation. Obviously there's way more to it than just a simple three-note motif.

What I noticed while listening to Mortal Instruments was that if there were themes and motifs, they were not being utilized in a complex or innovative manner. It's easy to pick and choose any sequence of notes to base a score around, but using the sequence in such a way where there's development and meaning behind them allows us to listen to the music away from the movie and still be intellectually stimulated. But that's only important to those of us who look for intellectual stimulation in music.

To be perfectly honest, it didn�t sound like the composer cared too much about his themes or motifs; opting to play nice-sounding, harmonious notes over an ambient backdrop, with little consideration for us classical types who like to be challenged on the details. We can�t just read The Great Gatsby; we must analyse the significance of the �green light� and its symbolism and relevance to the �American Dream.� Similarly, I can�t just listen to a score while relaxing in the sun sipping lemonade and slowly falling asleep. If someone is going to spend more time making the music sound like trailer music, and less time making meaningful thematic and motivic development, it�s going to show, as it did here.

Doublehex

09-02-2013, 01:30 PM

I applaud your attempt at teaching us plebs the artistic science behind orchestral music...but dude I didn't understand a damn thing. Still fascinating stuff.

Sometimes Orchestral Music is like science to me. I find it absolutely fascinating and awe inspiring...when I can wrap my head around it.

Sirusjr

09-02-2013, 04:07 PM

Yeah, that was a bit over my head as well. I also wanted to point out that Orvarsson had about 2 weeks to write Mortal Instruments so that explains his simple background music.

tangotreats

09-02-2013, 04:08 PM

Jerry Goldsmith, Chinatown, two weeks, one of the best scores of all time.

Also, yesterday:

A big sweeping melodic thematic score...

Today:

...simple background music

;)

Just to deal with yesterday... I fully accept I am occasionally a bit of a grumpy bastard. One thing I never do is insult people, call them names, or try to shut them up. People did all those things to me last night. People who know me, and people who don't. People with whom I've had friendly banter in the past. I have been accused of things I have not done, and the most bitter pill to swallow is that the aggression came not only from the usual suspects (I expect arrogance and hypocrisy from them, so I don't care) but from people I had a great deal of time for. Aoiichi seems to suggest that it's me and my ilk who are causing upset and ruining the forum. That hurts me more than anybody can ever know or understand. I've made over 4,000 posts on this forum - and 3,500 of them are probably in this very thread.

Even if that weren't the case, I think I deserve to be treated with a lot more dignity than I was last night. As I said, I am hurt and upset - and that's magnified fifty-fold by the fact that it was coming from the people I thought I could count on to defend['/i] me even if they don't [i]agree with me.

Perhaps it's time I modified my relationship with this thread.

Doublehex

09-02-2013, 04:19 PM

Gee. Here I was gonna make a post thanking Tango for all his contributions to the Thread and introducing me to the singular piece of music that ever made me cry (Richard Blackford's Mirror of Perfection). And here is, back, poking jabs at Sirusjr here! Geez. You Brits sure are damn inconsistent.

Welcome back.

tangotreats

09-02-2013, 04:24 PM

Not so much a jab, more of a... well, OK, a jab. :P

Thank you. You hurt me. But you've also made me happy countless times, so there you go...

How about some music?

A very, very apt repost - and upgrade to FLAC... Ladies and gentlemen, we're off through the time portal once again...

RICHARD BLACKFORD
Mirror Of Perfection (1997)
Ying Huang, Soprano
Bo Skovhus, Baritone
Bournemouth Symphony Chorus (Neville Creed, Director)
Ballard Lane Preparatory School Choir (Elizabeth Nayler, Director)
Bournemouth Sinfonietta
conducted by
Richard Blackford

My Rip - Scans (including notes in English, French, and German, and lyrics in English and Italian) - FLAC Level 8

[Trivia Note: The Bournemouth Sinfonietta - one of Southern England's finest Chamber ensembles - disbanded shortly after making this recording. Funding was cut and the decision was made to sacrifice the Sinfonietta so that the full sized Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra might survive. Furthermore, the beautiful venue for this recording, the Bournemouth Winter Gardens, was flattened in 2007 thanks to Bournemouth Borough Council's penny pinching... so this recording sadly serves as an excellent memorial for both ensemble and venue. The Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra is flourishing today (both in the concert hall and through its extensive catalogue of recordings by EMI, Naxos, and others) but classical music was never quite the same... A little piece of England died on the days we lost the Sinfonietta and the Gardens.]

https://mega.co.nz/#!ctIgTRgD!a-KZsDvr2yQqdQnMYma0eHOXrrYThSchHRoFLFSYmhg

I worried and debated with myself the merits of posting this... It's not action music. It's not even film music. It's a piece of contemporary classical music that changed my life. I first heard it when I was fourteen; I endured a four hour bus ride (I couldn't afford the train) and spent three weeks pocket money going up to HMV in Oxford Street to buy it. It's one of those pieces that became a part of me - one of those experiences you have and instantly you know you will never forget. It has more meaning for me because I played it a lot during my transitional years - as I made the awkward leap from adolescent to adult, it was a constant.

All that apart, it's by Richard Blackford - who of course composed the Millennium - A Thousand Years Of History score that was recently uploaded by two very good gentlemen, Lens of Truth, and ShadowOnTheSun. So, if anything, we can follow along the "If you liked that, try this..." route. This thread has always been about taking risks and discovering new things. I can't think of a better piece of music to take a risk on than this one.

Just to clarify a few points... I realise that most of you will have heard the words "contemporary classical" and will now be running for the hills. Fear not. In the midst of the contemporary classical world - with all its intellectual posturing, and emotionally dead, ridiculously complicated mathematical music, great men like Richard Blackford make a stand for emotion, tonality, lyricism, melody, beauty, and simplicity.

This is one to try if you classify yourself as somebody who "doesn't like" or "doesn't get" classical music; if you've got a soul, you'll get this. Don't get tied up worrying that you're missing out on something because you don't have a dictionary of classical music inside your head, or because you feel like you missed out on the development section, or you didn't notice the particularly daring harmonic modulation in the second movement. This one will go in your ears, past your brain, and straight into your heart. This is beautiful music, not smart-arse music - I realise that sort of description may sound trite, but I don't think I've ever known anybody translate positivity, elegance, and purity so succinctly into music.

St Francis Of Assisi's words (sung in their original Italian) cut right through to the bone - and Blackford's setting is almost a direct translation of meaning to harmony.

As I say, this isn't bombastic, or loud... but it is gorgeous.

Enjoy :)
TT

Doublehex

09-02-2013, 04:32 PM

KINGDOMS OF AMALUR: RECKONING
GRANT KIRKHOPE; ADDITIONAL MUSIC BY MARC CROMER; PERFORMED BY THE PRAGUE PHILHARMONIC

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1.Grant Kirkhope - Broken Up Logos (0:09)
2.Grant Kirkhope - Kingdoms of Amalur (2:00)
3.Grant Kirkhope - Attract (1:08)
4.Grant Kirkhope - The Age of Arcana (1:54)
5.Grant Kirkhope - Dead's Dead (2:26)
6.Grant Kirkhope - Dead's (Not) Dead (0:51)
7.Grant Kirkhope - Fight! (3:01)
8.Grant Kirkhope - Defying the Tuatha (1:12)
9.Grant Kirkhope - ''Live! You Must Live!'' (0:33)
10.Grant Kirkhope - The Tower is Falling (1:08)
11.Grant Kirkhope - The Well of Souls (0:32)
12.Grant Kirkhope - The Troll (2:04)
13.Grant Kirkhope - The Forests of Dalentarth (0:55)
14.Grant Kirkhope - Gorhart Village (0:41)
15.Mark Cromer - Gorhart Inn (1:41)
16.Grant Kirkhope - Stonecandle Mines (0:22)
17.Grant Kirkhope - The House of Ballads (1:25)
18.Grant Kirkhope - The Fae of the Summer Court (1:08)
19.Grant Kirkhope - The Warsworn (1:23)
20.Grant Kirkhope - Agnur Farhal (1:13)
21.Grant Kirkhope - Gorguath (0:50)
22.Grant Kirkhope - Overgrown Thicket (0:45)
23.Grant Kirkhope - Didenhil (1:00)
24.Mark Cromer - The Old Holn Inn (1:20)
25.Grant Kirkhope - Investigating the Blood Plague (0:50)
26.Grant Kirkhope - Ancients (1:05)
27.Grant Kirkhope - Surprising the Necromancer (2:09)
28.Grant Kirkhope - St. Hadwyn's Mission (0:49)
29.Grant Kirkhope - The Hunter's Pit (0:31)
30.Grant Kirkhope - Webwood (0:53)
31.Grant Kirkhope - Besieged Canneroc (1:04)
32.Mark Cromer - The Silken Seat (1:02)
33.Grant Kirkhope - Shade River Caves (0:37)
34.Grant Kirkhope - Castle Yolvan (0:47)
35.Grant Kirkhope - Cathrus (0:59)
36.Grant Kirkhope - Widow's End (2:29)
37.Grant Kirkhope - Ettinmere (1:07)
38.Grant Kirkhope - The Ballad of Bloody Bones (0:59)
39.Grant Kirkhope - Ballads Oratory (1:14)
40.Grant Kirkhope - Dellach (0:56)
41.Grant Kirkhope - Theatre of Fate (0:19)
42.Grant Kirkhope - Usurping the Tuatha (1:56)
43.Grant Kirkhope - Haxhi (1:01)
44.Grant Kirkhope - Summer's End (0:57)
45.Grant Kirkhope - Castle Windemere (0:53)
46.Grant Kirkhope - Lorca-Rane (0:58)
47.Grant Kirkhope - Ohn's Stand (0:58)
48.Grant Kirkhope - Brigand Hall Caverns (0:41)
49.Grant Kirkhope - The Summoning (0:30)
50.Grant Kirkhope - Niskaru Tyrant (2:20)
51.Grant Kirkhope - The Sidhe (1:01)
52.Grant Kirkhope - The Ruins of Aodh (0:47)
53.Grant Kirkhope - Arduath (0:57)
54.Grant Kirkhope - Rundamir (0:59)
55.Grant Kirkhope - The Gardens of Ysa (1:33)
56.Grant Kirkhope - Titarion (1:51)
57.Grant Kirkhope - The Reading (SFX) (1:49)
58.Grant Kirkhope - The Summer Court (1:07)
59.Grant Kirkhope - Pause (1:14)
60.Grant Kirkhope - The Plains of Erathell (1:04)
61.Grant Kirkhope - The Wolds (0:59)
62.Grant Kirkhope - Ayten (1:01)
63.Mark Cromer - The Golden Plains Inn (0:34)
64.Grant Kirkhope - Cranalt (0:55)
65.Grant Kirkhope - The Farm (0:54)
66.Grant Kirkhope - The Forsaken Plains (1:09)
67.Grant Kirkhope - Mull-Rane (0:51)
68.Grant Kirkhope - Bristlethorn (1:04)
69.Grant Kirkhope - Bitter Cove (0:42)
70.Grant Kirkhope - Shining Labyrinth (0:51)
71.Grant Kirkhope - Orieator's Tomb (1:08)
72.Grant Kirkhope - The Cradle of Summer (1:14)
73.Mark Cromer - The Blue Bear Tavern (0:52)
74.Grant Kirkhope - Syl (0:51)
75.Grant Kirkhope - Helmgard Keep (0:51)
76.Grant Kirkhope - The Warsworn Vaults (0:59)
77.Grant Kirkhope - Life on the Plains (1:04)
78.Grant Kirkhope - Galafor (1:00)
79.Mark Cromer - The Reedsong Inn (0:43)
80.Grant Kirkhope - Skycrown Ascend (0:54)
81.Grant Kirkhope - Skycrown Peak (1:03)
82.Grant Kirkhope - Tala-Rane (1:03)
83.Grant Kirkhope - Dolve-Wayle (0:45)
84.Grant Kirkhope - Rathir (0:43)
85.Grant Kirkhope - The Scholia Arcana (0:37)
86.Grant Kirkhope - The Dokkalfar (1:21)
87.Grant Kirkhope - The Tywili Coast (1:03)
88.Grant Kirkhope - The Blackened Hall (1:00)
89.Grant Kirkhope - Kandrian (1:02)
90.Mark Cromer - The Raven (0:48)
91.Grant Kirkhope - The Deserts of Detyre (0:40)
92.Grant Kirkhope - The Red Marches (0:37)
93.Grant Kirkhope - The Ruins of Galette (1:07)
94.Grant Kirkhope - Tomb of Fyragnos (0:56)
95.Grant Kirkhope - The Tunnels (0:45)
96.Grant Kirkhope - Alserund (0:49)
97.Grant Kirkhope - A Good, Hard Life (1:24)
98.Grant Kirkhope - The Circle of Engard (0:49)
99.Grant Kirkhope - House of Valour (0:20)
100.Grant Kirkhope - Gladiators (0:24)
101.Grant Kirkhope - Saltwell Caverns (0:32)
102.Grant Kirkhope - Ironfast Keep (1:07)
103.Grant Kirkhope - The Hollowlands (0:48)
104.Grant Kirkhope - Motus Mining Company (0:51)
105.Grant Kirkhope - Apotyre (0:55)
106.Grant Kirkhope - Whitestone (0:49)
107.Mark Cromer - The Thirsty Wench (0:42)
108.Mark Cromer - Food's Gotta Come From Somewhere (0:45)
109.Mark Cromer - Time to Get Drunk and Conspire (0:40)
110.Mark Cromer - As Good a Time as Any (0:39)
111.Mark Cromer - Hit Me With the Red Rocks! (0:51)
112.Grant Kirkhope - Darkvari Mine (0:35)
113.Grant Kirkhope - Cynric Quarry (0:49)
114.Grant Kirkhope - Zungar Shaft (1:00)
115.Grant Kirkhope - Blood for Rocks (1:02)
116.Grant Kirkhope - Bonetown (0:36)
117.Grant Kirkhope - Opening a Vein (0:45)
118.Grant Kirkhope - Bigger Sights (1:02)
119.Grant Kirkhope - Adessa (0:43)
120.Grant Kirkhope - The City of Earth (1:37)
121.Grant Kirkhope - The March (1:18)
122.Grant Kirkhope - The Ships (1:08)
123.Grant Kirkhope - Mel Senshir (0:28)
124.Grant Kirkhope - Lifting the Siege (0:49)
125.Grant Kirkhope - It Ends Here (1:30)
126.Grant Kirkhope - Triumphant Over the Balor (2:19)
127.Grant Kirkhope - The Balor Falls (0:50)
128.Grant Kirkhope - Peace in Mel Senshir (1:12)
129.Grant Kirkhope - The Overgrowth of Klurikon (1:10)
130.Grant Kirkhope - Cursewood (0:59)
131.Grant Kirkhope - Silence Falls (0:48)
132.Grant Kirkhope - The Midden (0:59)
133.Grant Kirkhope - The House of Sorrows (0:52)
134.Grant Kirkhope - A Time to Reap (1:00)
135.Grant Kirkhope - Meditate (1:23)
136.Grant Kirkhope - The Keening (0:45)
137.Grant Kirkhope - Fallen Hall (0:43)
138.Grant Kirkhope - Drowned Forest (0:55)
139.Grant Kirkhope - Spawning Pools (0:50)
140.Grant Kirkhope - Voices of the Dead (1:00)
141.Grant Kirkhope - Caeled Coast (1:01)
142.Grant Kirkhope - Southern Lights (0:59)
143.Grant Kirkhope - Alabastra (0:54)
144.Grant Kirkhope - High Fulgen (1:08)
145.Grant Kirkhope - Bolgan Bane (0:54)
146.Grant Kirkhope - Shadow Pass (1:07)
147.Grant Kirkhope - Mordus-Turr (0:54)
148.Grant Kirkhope - The Killing Ground (0:55)
149.Grant Kirkhope - Twilight Pass (0:44)
150.Grant Kirkhope - Ashmoore (1:08)
151.Grant Kirkhope - Bareth (1:05)
152.Grant Kirkhope - Maura Chalin (0:51)
153.Grant Kirkhope - Amaura (0:55)
154.Grant Kirkhope - The House of Vengeance (1:02)
155.Grant Kirkhope - Cann-Rane (1:02)
156.Grant Kirkhope - Bhaile (0:33)
157.Grant Kirkhope - The Heart of the Enemy (1:09)
158.Grant Kirkhope - The Duel With Gadflow (1:55)
159.Grant Kirkhope - Cataclysm (0:45)
160.Grant Kirkhope - The Heart of Amethyn (2:28)
161.Grant Kirkhope - Battle With Tirnoch (2:18)
162.Grant Kirkhope - Reckoning (1:30)
163.Grant Kirkhope - The Legend of Dead Kel (0:44)
164.Grant Kirkhope - Shipwreck (0:27)
165.Grant Kirkhope - Gallows End (1:13)
166.Grant Kirkhope - Castaway's Cove (0:49)
167.Grant Kirkhope - Gravehal Keep (0:39)
168.Grant Kirkhope - Restore (0:56)
169.Grant Kirkhope - The Keep (2:09)
170.Grant Kirkhope - The Black Atoll (0:52)
171.Grant Kirkhope - The Jawbone (1:01)
172.Grant Kirkhope - Aubrey's Hand (1:00)
173.Grant Kirkhope - Dark Harbor (0:21)
174.Grant Kirkhope - Scuttle Beach (1:04)
175.Grant Kirkhope - Fghting the Hanged Men (2:12)
176.Grant Kirkhope - Northern Coast (1:01)
177.Grant Kirkhope - Ring of the Watcher (1:01)
178.Grant Kirkhope - Akara-Tor (0:51)
179.Grant Kirkhope - The Altar (0:26)
180.Grant Kirkhope - The End of Dead Kel (2:21)
181.Grant Kirkhope - Teeth of Naaros (0:52)
182.Grant Kirkhope - The Teeth (0:55)
183.Grant Kirkhope - Southern Passage (0:57)
184.Grant Kirkhope - Idylla (0:48)
185.Grant Kirkhope - Antediluvian (1:57)
186.Grant Kirkhope - Anokatos (0:23)
187.Grant Kirkhope - Secandra (0:25)
188.Grant Kirkhope - The Warrens (1:03)
189.Grant Kirkhope - Pteryx Eyries (1:13)
190.Grant Kirkhope - The Lost Litanies (1:00)
191.Grant Kirkhope - Ascension (1:14)
192.Grant Kirkhope - Preservation (2:22)
193.Grant Kirkhope - Kingdoms of Amalur (Alternate) (1:18)

https://mega.co.nz/#!7BAjzZBa!YomuGUomed1W2McpZOQbH1KxvIQ2_vpWa9kU_0U PbJI

So let's talk a bit about this rip. First off there is a TON of music. Not in length - at just a quarter over three hours, this isn't necessarily unstandard fare for games. However in terms of volume there is a ton. Including the music from the DLCs there are almost TWO HUNDRED different tracks! And that's after I merged a crapton together! The biggest issue with creating this complete soundtrack was simply one of organization. I had alot of folders to make this whole mess somewhat manageable.

I also decided to go against creating suites out of all the area themes. I got some criticism in the past over my methods, so I decided to just put them in as is. This gave me some freedom with merging tracks with the Faction themes, so it worked out fairly decently in that regard. There are still plenty of tracks that are below a minute, so I might just merge them all together in the future.

But for now, they will be as is.

Since the music was randomized - after the opening main theme of each zone - I decided to just put music to various important landmarks of each zone. Towns, different regions, quest names, etc. For the tavern cues, which were also randomized, I just put them to the name of the various inns and pubs that dot the Faelands.

Almost all of the battle music contains the cinematic finisher, with the exception of the Tuatha battle themes and Fight!. Kirkhope did not present any versions on his Bandcamp releases of those variants with an actual finisher. They just loop. Deal with it.

Vinphonic

09-02-2013, 04:49 PM

Tango, I know how to make you happy ... how about some Hirano :)

Tanken Driland ~BGM~

Download (FLAC) (https://mega.co.nz/#!LwYjnapD!SjBG8wUqi8JvExOiJXVuADvrcDUfXCNTVne240L S5Qo)

Tracklist:

01. Adventure ☆ Princess!
02. Wallance
03. The guy with the tiny hat
04. Knight of Pan-blue eyes (Night)

Now Tanken Driland is complete and it all makes a fine hour of fantastic music. If you want to make your own CD version with these tracks I put some pictures in there too.

Enjoy

tangotreats

09-02-2013, 04:53 PM

F**king hell, did you buy that? :D

Thank you, sir!

Doublehex

09-02-2013, 05:01 PM

Just to deal with yesterday... I fully accept I am occasionally a bit of a grumpy bastard. One thing I never do is insult people, call them names, or try to shut them up. People did all those things to me last night. People who know me, and people who don't. People with whom I've had friendly banter in the past. I have been accused of things I have not done, and the most bitter pill to swallow is that the aggression came not only from the usual suspects (I expect arrogance and hypocrisy from them, so I don't care) but from people I had a great deal of time for. Aoiichi seems to suggest that it's me and my ilk who are causing upset and ruining the forum. That hurts me more than anybody can ever know or understand. I've made over 4,000 posts on this forum - and 3,500 of them are probably in this very thread.

Even if that weren't the case, I think I deserve to be treated with a lot more dignity than I was last night. As I said, I am hurt and upset - and that's magnified fifty-fold by the fact that it was coming from the people I thought I could count on to defend me even if they don't agree with me.

Perhaps it's time I modified my relationship with this thread.

Tango, I really hope you know that Sirusjr and I never wanted to insult you. What we did want to do was made you realize you were, unintentionally, treating us like crap. We give an opinion on something and you just go off and say "It's factually crap", or some other one line response, how do you think that makes us feel?

Like our opinions aren't wanted.

I can't believe I am going to do this, but I need to quote NatoM here. We have all the respect for your opinions. But you need to show it to us in turn as well. Don't like something we like? Don't go and say it's crap and any other opinion is invalid. Talk to us. Discuss! Debate on different opinions and perspectives! There's nothing wrong with that.

Now maybe our words last night were harsh. If so they were born from weeks of aggravation. We are your friends dude, and we do have your back. That is why we are actually talking to you instead of just leaving the Thread altogether.

Sirusjr

09-02-2013, 05:42 PM

Tango there is nothing inconsistent between those two statements. Like I said, I like the themes and melodies in the score and yet I fully admit that what lies behind them is not complex. Clearly from this whole thing I learned that good melodies over simple textures is not enough to excite you. i still can't figure out what makes good melodies vs not and so we are back to the subjective thing of "If I can whistle it, it is a good theme" which you can't really argue with. What makes me whistle a theme is not the same as what makes you whistle a theme or Doublehex. Each person is drawn in by different themes. So I leave you with a latin phrase De gustibus non est disputandum (Concerning taste it is not to be disputed). Also, see those few posts above where we actually try to engage in back and forth over the music? That is what we were asking for.

Some thoughts will come later on these new posts of music once I get to listen to them.

Herr Salat

09-03-2013, 12:15 AM

Teddyb3ar

09-03-2013, 12:43 PM

Well... Among this 2-3 pages of discussion i've been reading, frankly, in some post i have no idea what was it about. I enjoy Classical Music but not as far as some people are devoting their life to that and with those technicism that i really have no idea... And seriously, glad my mind is way more simple and i only listen the music because i like it, not to say or label it like crap, not crap, god-like, etc. (and im referring too the music other people listen to, judge other people tastes i think its not fair, at least IMO).

The only way i can see this is:

Each one choose what he/she want to list and thats all. I dont think City Of Bones (f. ex) to be a crappy score and more, if a selection of the best composers (alive right now) tell me, "Dude, its crap" I still will enjoy the score and for some, it may be trash, crap, etc. For me, not. And i wont change my way of thinking in this things except i would want to do it. Thats all i think right now.

PD: And with this I dont want to be polemic or something like that, not insulting anyone, etc. Its just my opinion. Similar to some users here i think they have. And also find it a vey interesting topic to chat here, of course, with respect between us. Oh, sorry for my awful english.

PD2: Drilland! Thanks

bishtyboshty

09-03-2013, 02:30 PM

Tango, are you accepting requests yet on that British Score from 1985 ?.

tangotreats

09-03-2013, 02:38 PM

Not quiiiiiiiiiet yet... should be ready to go in a few days. I'll post here, don't worry. :)

tangotreats

09-03-2013, 06:19 PM

HAPPY BELATED 50th BIRTHDAY...
...to the compact cassette... the much maligned, unfairly treated analogue sound reproduction medium of yesteryear.

People have a lot to say about how crappy tapes were... but I don't think they've ever heard a REALLY REALLY GOOD QUALITY tape... so I thought I'd take the liberty of celebrating this wonderful birthday by letting you hear just how amazing the humble cassette can sound given half a chance. At the height of its development, it was said that the cassette had reached 99.9% of CD quality, and most people couldn't tell the difference. You'll probably be snorting at the thought of a crappy plastic tape sounding as good as a CD... but it happened, guys.

Here's a track from one of my favourite James Horner scores - selected because it's still held up as a great sounding recording (Eric Tomlinson, folks, Eric Tomlinson...) - in a transfer from cassette.

It was recorded with an audiophile deck about 14 years old (but looked after and serviced) with Dolby S noise reduction and Dolby HX Pro. The blank tape was a brand new off-the-peg Maxell XL-II Music, bought about ten years ago in a supermarket. Haven't done a single clever thing - transferred the CD to tape, transferred the tape to PC, encoded as FLAC, that's it.

Zippyshare.com - - horny tape.flac (http://www76.zippyshare.com/v/28531077/file.html)

Enjoy this example of start-of-the-art circa 1980 home recording technology; the digital age is great and everything, but digital music fans like to pretend that before CDs and FLACs came along, we were all listening to Edison cylinders. It weren't so.

Happy birthday, cassette deck. :D

Edit: Sorry, there's a bit of clipping around the 2:38 mark for about ten seconds. That's my fault, had the levels too high, can't be bothered to fix it. Still sounds fantastic though!

Added later:

"What about a shitty old cheap crap cassette that's been used a hundred times and sat in a cupboard for twenty years, with no fancy noise reduction? How does that sound?"

Good question (that nobody asked)! Just so we have a fair trial here, I had a rummage through my box of old tapes to find the biggest piece of garbage I could. I turned out a twenty year-old 120 minute Tandy Concertape. These were complete and utter garbage. They had two things going for them. They were cheap, and they were 120 minutes long, so I really loved 'em because I used to do a lot of recording off the radio so I could do two hours on one tape. I found this one which had a Prom from 1996 on it - the last ten minutes of side B had a terrible recording of Star Trek The Next Generation on it that I made by holding a microphone to the side of the TV... So... I recorded over that...

...with this.

Zippyshare.com - - hamaguchi_on_tape2.flac (http://www33.zippyshare.com/v/90481160/file.html)

We have the track "Ventus - Abareru Megami" from Shiro Hamaguchi's Ah My Goddess The Movie score, as performed by the Warsaw Philharmonic Orchestra. You get it twice - both recorded on this cheap thin worn out tape. First time is with no noise reduction, no nice settings, no nothing. Just shove the tape in and hit record. The second time is with Dolby S Noise Reduction. Sounds pretty damn good to me. Not perfect, but very listenable and still good even in the higher frequencies. The hiss on the first iteration is a bit oppressive, but it's nothing too serious...

Enjoy :D

Sirusjr

09-03-2013, 07:03 PM

I'm not surprised Tango. My parents had a few recordings on tape back in the day. Thankfully, most of what we had on tape has been released in other formats so I don't have to deal with it. Good sound or not you still can't rip tapes as easily as CD (same problem as vinyl).

tangotreats

09-03-2013, 07:32 PM

Oh, absolutely - I'd rather have a CD any day of the week and tapes are a pain in the arse to deal with, like LPs. CDs are plug and play. They work. My point was only to illustrate what this crappy old technology was capable of under optimal circumstances. :)

tangotreats

09-03-2013, 09:42 PM

VARIOUS ARTISTS
BBC Proms 2013
Prom 59 - Hollywood Rhapsody

John Wilson Orchestra
Matthew Ford, vocalist
Venera Gimadieva, soprano
Jane Monheit, vocalist
conducted by
John Wilson

Live from the Royal Albert Hall in London.

Sound Only Version (fantastic quality sound): AAC @ 320kbps https://mega.co.nz/#!AlZzSLzL!GaE3BC17nh4EDDIBkT3-fxbvMrRHWjm7Eug306SutNY
Video (with slightly crappy quality sound): MKV (warning: 1.3gb) https://mega.co.nz/#!wspwBIqb!R7dyWHM7q2jgbM-TABVAX2stW7JNAVPn4u4QAw2Rflc

John Wilson's orchestra is arguably the world's creme-de-la-creme as far as performing classic film music goes. Hand-picked from the finest players in the United Kingdom, Wilson describes his ensemble as "a symphony orchestra with an old-fashioned dance band in the middle" and it certainly is that... Whether they're playing old Broadway showtunes, Scott Bradley's frenetic Tom And Jerry scores, or serious symphonic masterpieces like Rozsa's Ben-Hur, they are simply beyond compare.

Tom And Jerry is just insane. Everything else is beautiful. Bless the Proms.

I have losslessly split the concert into tracks for your convenience.

From the BBC's own description of the concert:

At the Royal Albert Hall, Katie Derham introduces the ever-popular John Wilson and his orchestra in a celebration of the music of Hollywood. Bernard Herrmann's Psycho, Erich Korngold's Robin Hood, Max Steiner's Casablanca and Miklos Rozsa's Ben Hur are among the film scores featured, performed by the orchestra Wilson describes as 'a symphony orchestra with an old-fashioned dance band in the middle'. With soloists Venera Gimadieva, Matthew Ford and Jane Monheit.

Alfred Newman: 20th Century Fox Fanfare / How to Marry a Millionaire – Street Scene

Bronislau Kaper: Forever, Darling – Confetti
David Raksin: Laura – Suite
Bernard Herrmann: Psycho – Suite for Strings / Citizen Kane – Salammb�'s Aria
Erich Wolfgang Korngold: The Adventures of Robin Hood – Suite

Interval Feature (Proms Plus)

Jerome Moross: The Big Country – Main Title
Max Steiner - Casablanca – Suite
Various Artists - Movie Theme Song Medley
Franz Waxman - A Place in the Sun – Suite
Scott Bradley - Tom and Jerry at MGM
Mikl�s R�zsa - Ben-Hur – Suite
Encore - Franz Waxman - Taras Bulba (Ride Of The Cossacks)

Enjoy! :)
TT

nextday

09-03-2013, 10:02 PM

I believe you forgot to include something important in your post.

Faleel

09-03-2013, 10:03 PM

A...um...link?

tangotreats

09-03-2013, 10:11 PM

Sorry, the upload took a bit longer than I was expecting... :D
Links now available.

Sirusjr

09-03-2013, 11:16 PM

Wow you weren't kidding. The sound quality on these PROMS recordings is awesome!

Lens of Truth

09-04-2013, 12:00 AM

VARIOUS ARTISTS
BBC Proms 2013
Prom 59 - Hollywood Rhapsody

Flipping heck! I'm so not with it on this year's Proms. Why didn't we go to this?? :(

Can't wait to hear it!! :D

tangotreats

09-04-2013, 12:10 AM

I didn't even know it'd happened until I was listening to the Film Music Prom from last week (and kicking myself for not going to THAT) and then I read about "Hollywood Rhapsody"... and I thought "That sounds like John Wilson!"

Then I played it. It was. It was great.

We both missed it!

BALLS!

Lens of Truth

09-04-2013, 12:14 AM

It doesn't seem right. The last one was such a wonderful occasion. We should henceforth vow to attend all future Rhapsodies!

Herr Salat

09-04-2013, 12:17 AM

tango, I'm sorry I have to ask. What's the name of the score of "horny tape" (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/big-orchestral-action-music-thread-57893/528.html#post2441639) ?.

EDIT: Ah, I thought this one was something different :'D

tangotreats

09-04-2013, 12:18 AM

It's a score from the label we're not allowed to talk about... the name of the film is two words... the first one is the thing you have inside your head between your ears, the second is what happens when it rains... :D

Faleel

09-04-2013, 12:20 AM

Easy! I guessed it when you said "Eric Tomlinson" ;)

ragebot

09-04-2013, 12:23 AM

[Answered]

Akashi San

09-04-2013, 01:49 AM

Thank you very much for the Proms! Absolutely Magnificent!

EDIT: I wanna put down some sentences about the previous discussion about classical music - when I get some time that is...

Sirusjr

09-04-2013, 04:53 AM

Sanico

09-04-2013, 07:04 AM

That's the Proms concert with the John Wilson orchestra!!!! I love you TT :)

tangotreats

09-04-2013, 09:11 AM

These proms concerts are awesome. Too bad the majority of Prom 59 is stuff I have a ton of recordings of already. (One on the Gerhardt recording and one on a Golden Age collection from the BBC). Though it is nice to have a few of the ones that are new.

Yeah, a lot of it we've all got before... but it's still good to hear alternative performances - particularly played by that s**t-hot band... :)

That's the Proms concert with the John Wilson orchestra!!!! I love you TT :)

You are very, very welcome. :awsm:

nextday

09-04-2013, 04:25 PM

Aha, I told you all it was coming.

THCS-60022 | Ginga Kikoutai Majestic Prince Original Soundtrack - VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/41403)

tangotreats

09-04-2013, 04:45 PM

HOOOOOOOOOOO YEAH!

I have to admit, my faith had started to trickle away this last month or so... but it's fantastic to see it confirmed.

Do you know at this point whether it's a standalone release or a bonus CD arrangement? And will it be two discs as originally theorised...? :D

Thanks!

Edit: December? Ohhhh, bloody hell...! Want it now, now, NOW...

nextday

09-04-2013, 04:56 PM

It's a standalone release. Amazon has it listed as 1 disc and doesn't have a price currently. That's all we know right now because Amazon is the only site listing it (just got added).

Edit: Amazon says it's planned to have 20 tracks.

Vinphonic

09-04-2013, 05:03 PM

Well at least it makes a nice Christmas present ;)

Also many thanks for the Proms!

LeatherHead333

09-04-2013, 05:13 PM

http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq271/leatherhead93/tumblr_lpbkd8f0cR1qlsz95o1_500_zpse372fa59.gif (http://s455.photobucket.com/user/leatherhead93/media/tumblr_lpbkd8f0cR1qlsz95o1_500_zpse372fa59.gif.htm l)

I literally lost my mind once i saw that it was getting released on vgmdb. It would do the music world an incredible injustice for such a masterpiece not to be released to the masses.

Also i believe it is a stand alone CD. I checked the release dates of the dvd/blueray packs and none of them match up (the closest one is being released on the 20th). That's kind of weird actually because usually as far as i know most companies release soundtracks on the same day as their blueray/dvd sets. But i don't care either way how it it's being released I'll get it :). December is already looking good with Tatsuya Kato's score for Genei wo Kakeru Taiyo coming out on Christmas <3.

bishtyboshty

09-04-2013, 05:54 PM

Frogged

09-04-2013, 08:52 PM

Tango, that is a fine tape recording. Hard to imagine that the sound comes from a microcassette (2.4 cm/s) and not from tape on reel recorded at some higher speeds (9.5 or 19 cm/s). It's also amusing that you've picked THAT movie to celebrate compact cassette's anniversary, because the story told there shows that you can record pretty much anything on tape, even the unimaginable, and play it back perfectly. :D

LeatherHead333

09-05-2013, 01:03 AM

My recent purchase finally arrived. I know both of these have been posted already but here they both are in MP3 and Loseless with scans :3.

VPCG-84945 | GATCHAMAN CROWDS ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK - VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/39964)

(http://s455.photobucket.com/user/leatherhead93/media/BookletFront_zpse3a094dc.jpg.html)
Title: GATCHAMAN CROWDS ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK
Type OST: Anime Soundtrack
Composers: Taku Iwasaki, Yutaka Shinya, WHITE ASH
No. of tracks: 24
Format: MP3 and ALAC
Bitrate: 320kbs and Loseless
Release Date: Aug 28, 2013
Size: MP3 194mb/ ALAC 497mb
Host: Mega/MP3 Mega/ALAC

Tracklist
01 Gotchaman ~ In the name of Love
02 The core of Soul
03 Milestone
04 Firebird
05 Tutu
06 Pandaman
07 Music goes on
08 Phenex
09 Un beau l�opard violet
10 Gatchadance
11 Galax
12 The bird can't fly
13 Are you Gatchaman?
14 Destruction by rumor
15 Why I kissed him?
16 Fat guitar
17 Ziel der Hydra
18 Sacrifice
19 Crowds
20 Unbeatable Network
21 Love
22 INNOCENT NOTE
23 Crowds (TV size)
24 INNOCENT NOTE (TV size)

320 kbs MP3
https://mega.co.nz/#!HEwRyAbQ!cCjArFzwelTeJYSzPkpDY06DhbxFbG1BmpwsGnc LVqI

ALAC (Loseless)
https://mega.co.nz/#!zBpzFbBQ!b0lHUAE4eaMGvcyL6c4aUCD5sScA-HAuBiDohO5Km1c

VTCL-60352 | Blood Lad O.S.T. 1 - VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/40096)

(http://s455.photobucket.com/user/leatherhead93/media/BookletFront_zps15074490.jpg.html)

Title:Blood Lad O.S.T. 1
Type OST: Anime Soundtrack
Composers: Yuki Hayashi, Masayoshi Takasaka, Jason.D, Koshiro Honda, Ryo Aska
No. of tracks: 25
Format: MP3 and ALAC
Bitrate: 320kbs and Loseless
Release Date: Aug 28, 2013
Size: MP3 163mb/ ALAC 376mb
Host: Mega/MP3 Mega/ALAC

Tracklist
01 BLOOD LAD
02 Nichijou Makai
03 TRYAGAIN!
04 Iraira
05 Usankusai Yatsu
06 Itsumo No Are.
07 Dari
08 HATOMUNE
09 Nakama(Pf-Mix)
10 Taiji
11 Final Phantasy
12 Quick Attack
13 Shoudou
14 BLOOD LAD (Em-Mix)
15 Osore
16 Kampai!
17 Ningenkai
18 Hajimete No
19 Karenna
20 Wolf
21 Stay as you are
22 TWILIGHT
23 LOVE&HATE
24 Masquerade
25 YAH YAH YAH

320 kbs MP3
https://mega.co.nz/#!SVYG0KQb!Soiirwai_RkDJEYVgQ6dtBYekm8yPYy3TnZNfew iv3c

ALAC (Loseless)
https://mega.co.nz/#!jAp2CBTS!HJxjXm8m_Z4xoHUXQW4YkUV3RBtRrv1kS1Xo4zW twBU

Enjoy them if you haven't already http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq271/leatherhead93/kucing_capek_zpsc3d04393.gif (http://s455.photobucket.com/user/leatherhead93/media/kucing_capek_zpsc3d04393.gif.html)

Next i should have Rikka Takanashi Kai ~Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai! The Movie~ Original Soundtrack and the long awaited CODE GEASS Akito the Exiled O.S.T. up. Hopefully i'll get them on time this time around :).

evilwurst

09-05-2013, 07:03 AM

In a bizarre thought experiment alternate reality where the content side of the industry hadn't intentionally crippled digital tape in its early days, we might still be using cassette tapes today.

averell-dalton

09-05-2013, 09:01 AM

need a reup please ;)

tangotreats

09-05-2013, 12:35 PM

So anyways, I was going through Oshima's discography thread on here looking for interesting stuff when I come across THIS (http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00005EQ7G).

Here we have a 64-minute Oshima score from 1999 performed by the Moscow International Symphonic Orchestra, conducted by Konstantin D. Krimets. And unless I've suddenly become terrible at searching, it hasn't ever been posted online.

Well, it turned up today - will post later.

It's not all that, though... it's got a great theme, but that's just as well because the score is basically the same theme repeated again and again for an hour in varying states of emotion. Every time you hear a track that sounds like it might be a bit different, suddenly there's a trademark Oshima "pay attention, folks - here's the main theme" moment (you know, four rising chord progressions accompanied by rolling cymbals and timpani) and then there it bloody is again. Not Oshima's strongest. Not worth �30. Oh well, win some, lose some.

Would anybody care to provide me with a translation of the track listing? (Though it might as well just be 1. Main Theme (Orchestra Version), 2. Main Theme (Strings Version), 3. Main Theme (Brass Version), 4. Main Theme (Woodwind Version), 5. Main Theme (Romantic Version), 6. Main Theme (Heroic Version), 7. Main Theme (Suspenseful Version), 8. Main Theme (Orchestra Version Again But A Bit Faster Than The Other One), 9. Main Theme (Brass Version - Short), 10. Main Theme (Heroic Version - with choir), etc, etc, etc... :(

1. こむぎいろの天使(ショート・ヴァージョン)(斉藤由貴)
2. こむぎいろの天使(高音ヴァージョン)(宗次郎)
3. 夏休みだぞ!遊ぼうぜ!
4. 青空へ飛び立つすがれ
5. すがれ追い
6. 気をつけろ!すがれがもどってきたぞ
7. 蜂の神秘
8. 待ってろ!カメオ~健一の勇気とやさしさ
9. 夕焼け
10. 蛍
11. こむぎいろの天使(サビ高音ヴァージョン)(宗次郎)
12. 元気になるんだカメオ
13. すがれにさされるサブ
14. 大収穫~やったぞカメオ,がっくり辰次郎
15. こりゃ,ギネスもんだ
16. まつたけ泥棒対カメオ
17. カメオとの再会
18. あっ!スズメバチだ
19. 女王蜂とその仲間たち
20. 忘れない,友情,そしてぼくたちの伊那
21. こむぎいろの天使(ロング・ヴァージョン)(斉藤由貴)
22. こむぎいろの天使(ピアノ・ヴァージョン)(小形眞子)
23. こむぎいろの天使(合唱ヴァージョン)
24. こむぎいろの天使(オカリナ・ソロ・ヴァージョン)(宗次郎)
25. むげん(むげん隗)
26. 天地(むげん隗)

In other news... Oshima confirmed for the second Buddha movie. So, not only do we get another new Oshima movie score next year, but we also might just see the previous one (2011) released after all this time, as well...

bishtyboshty

09-05-2013, 12:42 PM

need a reup please ;)

Of what ?.

Herr Salat

09-05-2013, 01:14 PM

tango, I'm so sorry I linked you an Amazon UK Marketplace link to that score...

tangotreats

09-05-2013, 01:35 PM

No apologies are necessary! The samples were promising, I was feeling adventurous, I wanted to buy it, so I did. I'm still glad I did, and hope that it will bring happiness to the good people here, so it won't be a waste...

We've all done it, mate... took a risk on some CD or another, and lost. You've probably done it more times than anybody here. ;)

nextday

09-05-2013, 03:20 PM

Sorry to hear that. Though I'm sure people will be happy with your share if the main theme is a keeper. And I'm sure it is since it's Oshima.

Was able to sort of translate most of it but one track I don't really know and dictionary isn't helping.
1. Light Brown Angel (Short Version) (Yuki Saito)
2. Light Brown Angel (Treble Version) (Sojiro)
3. It's Summer Vacation! Let's Play!
4. Sugare Flies Away to the Blue Sky
5. Chasing Sugare
6. Take Care! Sugare Came Back
7. Mystery of the Bees
8. Wait! Cameo ~ Kenichi's Courage and Kindness
9. Sunset
10. Firefly
11. Light Brown Angel (Hook Treble Version) (Sojiro)
12. Lighten Up: Cameo
13. Sugare is Stung: Sabu
14. Big Harvest ~ You Did It Cameo, Tatsujiro Discouraged
15. こりゃ,ギネスもんだ
16. Matsutake Thief VS Cameo
17. Reunion with Cameo
18. Ah! A Hornet
19. The Queen Bee and Her Companions
20. Do Not Forget, Friendship and Our Ina
21. Light Brown Angel (Long Version) (Yuki Saito)
22. Light Brown Angel (Piano Version) (Shinko Ogata)
23. Light Brown Angel (Chorus Version)
24. Light Brown Angel (Ocarina Solo Version) (Sojiro)
25. Infinite (Mugenkai)
26. Heaven and Earth (Mugenkai)

Bold is performer.

Maybe Buddha's complete soundtrack will be released after the third movie. No idea how the music is. Haven't checked.

tangotreats

09-05-2013, 03:35 PM

(Translation)

Thank you very much! :D

I was having trouble with 15 as well... Google Translate comes up with "Shit! I massaged Guinness!" and fun though that sounds, I'm guessing that's not what it actually is...

Buddha...

The music in the first movie is quite excellent - a nice mixture of action and romance. Oshima's orchestra is respectable (not Moscow-sized, but quite well-stocked) and she works them quite hard. The score is mixed quite low in the film and it's hard to really get a feel for it - but what's audible is great, so I'll be a very, VERY happy chappie if it should get released somehow.

I always wondered why they never bothered with the first one - no bonus CD, no standalone, no iTunes, bugger all... hopefully the continuation of the trilogy (and Oshima's involvement in at least the second, and likely the third as well) will see a CD turning up eventually. I'd rather not have to wait until after the third movie, because that's at least two, perhaps three years away - but I'll take what I can get. I don't doubt that there will be further excellent Oshima scores between now and then to keep us amused...

Is it just me, or has this "bonus CD" shit improved a little just lately? It seems that most things are getting standalone releases... and I'd say pretty much everything does become available sooner or later. I was really, really surprised to see physical releases of Code Breaker, Girls Und Panzer, Valvrave, and Driland. Those were all dead-cert bonus CD shows in my mind, and they all got actual CDs released - two of them doubles.

Maybe things are picking up a little... (Toshiyuki Watanabe says "no Majestic Prince, no chance, no way, never" and then six months later, there's a soundtrack CD...)

nextday

09-05-2013, 04:07 PM

Well, for the current season at least, the number of unreleased cds and bonus cd releases is equal to the number of standalone releases. Take that as you will.

Aniplex is still the biggest offender (looks like they're going for a perfect score this season!).

nextday

09-05-2013, 07:25 PM

Hmm... Shiro Hamaguchi is writing the music for Aniplex's original series Galilei Donna airing this October.

Real PV on 9/19, here is a 15-second teaser: 「ガリレイドンナ」・「サムライフラメンコ」第３弾ティザービジュアル (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjBQc74Sdpw)

tangotreats

09-05-2013, 08:18 PM

If that's the score (at least the first fifteen seconds)...
FUCK YEAH! :D

nextday

09-05-2013, 08:36 PM

According to Twitter they recorded the soundtrack around 2-3 weeks ago, so there's no ifs. :)

Last 15 seconds is obviously for another show.

Aoiichi_nii-san

09-06-2013, 01:17 AM

Aoiichi seems to suggest that it's me and my ilk who are causing upset and ruining the forum. That hurts me more than anybody can ever know or understand. I've made over 4,000 posts on this forum - and 3,500 of them are probably in this very thread.

Perhaps it's time I modified my relationship with this thread.

That's cool. Perhaps you should consider however, people aren't trying to shut you up but are rather calling for a bit more tact when being critical and dealing with criticism? As said before, if you don't like something, that's almighty fine (and I agree with a lot of things you don't like), you can state your analysis and reasoning behind it just well- but there's close to no point in reminding or trying to repeatedly inform people they like trash (or whatever word pulled out the thesaurus). If we're at that level, we might as well quit and go sh*tpost on 4chan.

If you go onto youtube, and search for something like "composition lessons", you'll pull up a lot of different things. On one hand, you'll find Don Freund talking about the musical tapestry and interweaving of Bach. On the other hand, you'll also find "guides on the epic chord progression", etc. Do I think the latter is ridiculous? Of course. Do I love the former? Definitely, and I'll happily say so each time. But I won't constantly remind people how the awfulness of the epic chord progression or how it's stupid- not productive at all. I'll just say my grievances and then leave. Time much better spent discussing Bach.

Look, no-one's telling you to shut up. I think when it comes to dealing with a score people disagree on, there could be a lot more eloquence involved. And we're all capable of that, as posts just a page or two behind show. That's the kind of discussion that's deserved around here, that a lot of the music deserves (and a lot more than some deserve). It's far more productive than telling people the things they like are factually trash. And if you're concerned about being hurt, I daresay that more intelligent discussion would also likely not be so as hurtful or insulting to any of the composers that drop by. I can't say it with 100% confidence, but I'm pretty sure somebody like Chad Seiter could have made many, many, more insightful posts into why his is like that, who wanted it like that, what could it have been instead, etc. as opposed to just his final one, if he wasn't met with one-line dismissals.

If you're honestly still hurt by any of those sentiments, all I can honestly say is that's too bad. If you're going to change your relationship with this thread, well, again that's too bad. But if not, I'll still enjoy your more productive postings. Oh, and thanks for the prom postings this year.

At any rate, let the drama rest in the music. By the way, if anyone's interested in the video footage of the Hollywood rhapsody prom on youtube, there's a surprisingly good quality copy here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0mKPBJ7e3I

tangotreats

09-06-2013, 12:17 PM

By the way, if anyone's interested in the video footage of the Hollywood rhapsody prom on youtube, there's a surprisingly good quality copy here:

...And also in my original post, you can find an MKV of the same concert.

are rather calling for a bit more tact

Does my alleged lack of tact excuse yours?

Chad Seiter could have made many, many, more insightful posts into why his is like that

That one really wasn't my fault; I made a long and heartfelt apology to Seiter and he flounced off. He was only interested in posting here when he could make sarcastic rebuttals to my critique. When things got more civil and serious, he suddenly didn't want to play.

In any case, I've now managed to piss off Seiter and Tilton - just waiting for Giacchino to show up now... ;)

there's close to no point in reminding or trying to repeatedly inform people they like trash (or whatever word pulled out the thesaurus). If we're at that level, we might as well quit and go sh*tpost on 4chan.

True dat, point well made.

That said, I think I find myself growing weary of silly debates, with what I consider obvious outcomes. When one states "trees are made of wood" and an opponent insist that trees are made of spaghetti, Swarfega, and tin, and they refuse to even acknowledge your (correct) view unless a five hundred page thesis is duly submitted... One thinks to oneself, "Trees are made of f****g wood. They just ARE. I've got better things to do than argue about this crap."

I have no desire, not ever, to offend anybody, and I hope that those who know me will bear that in mind even when I say something that rubs them up the wrong way. In the future, I will endeavour to back up my outlandish claims (that crap is crap) with insanely detailed walls-of-text, and if time or boredom precludes my doing this adequately, I'll just keep my fool mouth shut. ;)

...Despite being told in the past to be more concise and NOT write walls-of-text as that is interpreted as an attempt to browbeat or "victory by verbiage" and distracts stupid people from download links... So, realistically, the only way I can really win this one is to keep on posting music and never express an opinion of any kind about anything... Which I'm NOT going to do... After four thousand posts, 1,200 "likes", 1,200 reputation points, and five years I think I've well-established my posting style and most people don't seem to have a problem with it... so, there you go... :)

Gushing praise, which is routinely accepted here and nobody ever asks for any justification whatsoever...

Have you ever seen a thread that went like:

User 1: Wow, I say, Mortal Instruments is a fantastic score, it's just the best score ever!
User 2: What? Snob! Don't just tell us it's f****g great, tell us why or your OPINION doesn't count!
User 3: Yeah, STFU you elitist f**k! You sure as hell aren't the God of music! Get back to 4chan, you troll! You ruined this forum! You chased away all the good people with your dismissive attacks!

Nope... It's only when somebody doesn't like something somebody else does and then bruised egos lead to aggression...

Finally, if anybody gets offended by things I post - SORRY! :awsm:

I'm an Aspie. I'm not good at this stuff.

tangotreats

09-06-2013, 11:34 PM

MICHIRU OSHIMA
Komugiiro No Tenshi (1999)

Moscow International Symphonic Orchestra
conducted by
Konstantin D Krimets

My Rip. FLAC at Level 8. English translation of tracklisting by nextday. Track 15 titled in Romaji because nobody can make head nor tail of it! Booklet scans included.

https://mega.co.nz/#!FhhSzDCS!b8YTbCv5G5LTmsz5ycMMPWj2pVpdObzu57gxapF fB1w

So, it had to happen eventually... a Michiru Oshima score that doesn't quite thrill me. It's got a theme to die for, and it's endlessly professional as one would expect from Oshima... but I find it annoyingly repetitious. Oshima's frequent and often untouched statements of the main theme begin to tire, with the sad effect of burning out a splendid melody by bashing you over the head with it so many times you find yourself grinding your teeth every time it appears. Additionally, though she has the renowned Moscow International Symphonic Orchestra at her disposal, the score is curiously uncommitted. Early Oshima tends to feel like this sometimes; as if the balance between melody and orchestration isn't quite right, and as if her confidence in taking those melodies to different places isn't there yet... there is much to enjoy here, and not a single note of this is really bad or offensive... but in making a judgement here I have to consider Oshima's more recent, pitch-perfect scores that mix symphonic mastery and effortless lyricism with the greatest of ease...

So, all that said, please enjoy! It might not be her best, but it's got moments of loveliness, and it's Oshima so you know it's not going to be all bad.

Many thanks for the recommendation and for uncovering this one which has apparently never surfaced online!

Peace :)
TT

gururu

09-07-2013, 12:05 AM

Hmmm, well… Hrumph. Cough, cough… pituhhhhh…

Does the pharse "never the twain shall meet" ring a bell?

It seems to me the best practice, at least as regards the discussion of film music, is not enter into debate with those whose musical taste and opinions are so diametrically opposed to one's own, and/or their argumentation so flawed and steeped in ignorance, that any discussion will only ever descend into vitriol.

As far as The Mortal Instruments is concerned: it isn't as immediately offensive to my ears as the composer's Hansel & Gretel but, seriously, this canned RC formulaic shit is so fucking stale. And, boy oh boy, I couldn't hit PAUSE fast enough when, two minutes into "Close the Dome", that fucking Chorus of Ahhhsumeness™ from the last lame RC inspired score I heard reared its botoxed face.

It's pablum for the undiscerning. I'd even go as far as to say it's purposed muzak for those who don't like purposeful music.

chancth

09-07-2013, 07:30 AM

KEISUKE SHINOHARA & MUNEO TERUYA - ONE STORMY NIGHT ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK
320K MP3 | 86.7 MB | 23 TRACKS - 00:49:47
Stormy Night Orchestra (Studio Orchestra)

VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/32906)
Catalog Number: PCCR-00427
Release Date: Nov 23, 2005
Download: https://mega.co.nz/#!dN9GDBKD!ORmY6i...KPTCfkbUwvKCxY

I'm curious to listen to this composer. thank you for introducing him

---------- Post added at 12:30 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:16 AM ----------

[CENTER]MICHIRU OSHIMA - LITTLE WITCH ACADEMIA ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK
FLAC, LOG, CUE | 86.0 MB | 13 TRACKS | 00:17:22
Russian State Symphony Cinema Orchestra, conducted by Sergei Skripka

tangotreats

09-07-2013, 02:22 PM

It's pablum for the undiscerning. I'd even go as far as to say it's purposed muzak for those who don't like purposeful music.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything in the above post (not just the bits I quoted,) but it almost implies that Average Joe can't enjoy good music, or that Average Joe requires a special education to appreciate it. In the world of film music, John Williams' strength has always been that he writes music that you can whistle and remember, music that gets your blood pumping, and also music that actually has something to say. I have always found in the best music, that kind of multi-level appeal. Music that functions as an aural experience, and as an intellectual one. I worry about folk who don't listen to, for example, Mahler's symphonies because they've had it drummed into their heads that this deep and intellectual music is beyond their comprehension. What could be farther from the truth? Mahler can rip out your heart with one chord. It is music to be heard as well as music to be listened to, if that distinction makes any sense.

Arguing about quality is doomed to fail, because the people you're arguing with, by definition, cannot or do not spot the inherent qualities in music.

It's difficult to argue that Haute cuisine is better than McDonald's if your only metric is to alleviate hunger. If that's all you want to achieve from food, both are just fine and as far as you're concerned, because you have measured your needs against what each type of food provides, they're both exactly the same. I respect those people; at the same time I feel bad that they haven't opened their minds to the wonderful experiences they could have if they changed their metric.

I like McDonald's. It's complete crap, of course, but it has a simple and appealing flavour, it's quick, it's easy, and it's cheap. I do not for one moment pretend that it's anything but the lowest common denominator of food. I would not attack anybody who said it was crap because it clearly is; nor would I be offended by those words. I would not run around claiming it's the pinnacle of sophisticated cuisine, nor would I attempt to elevate it above its station with sophisticated language which it plainly doesn't deserve. I would not place the "burden of proof" on the people claiming it's garbage.

I do understand very well why this particular discussion exploded in such a manner, and in that case, perhaps it's "shame on me" for going about it in the way that I did. All that quite apart from the obvious "right versus wrong" component which I, as a proud Asperger's sufferer, have a particular affection for... I completely neglected the "relationships with humans" component and as a result it became nothing whatsoever to do with music and everything to do with ego struggles and hurt feelings. All in all, a complete and utter cock-up!

Still, I hope that it's all resolved now... He said, crossing his fingers...

Sunderella

09-07-2013, 08:09 PM

1. Rom CCCXII
2. Rom CCCXII - Long Version (Piano Solo by Eric Babak)
3. Rom CCCXII - Night Theme (Original from The Panometer)
4. Rom CCCXII - Night Harp
5. Rom CCCXII - Day Theme (Original from The Panometer)

The choir is powerful, it's a 60 piece one. Composed by Eric Babak for the world's largest panorama picture by Prof. Yadegar Asisi.

Download (http://adf.ly/VJO60) - 320 kbps

Sirusjr

09-07-2013, 11:31 PM

Tango, you've made the food analogy before and I just don't see how it is apt. Even among fast food you will find vast disagreement between people as to whether they appreciate certain chains or not. My sister is a huge fan of In N Out and gets some whenever she is in town yet I find it largely bland. At the same time, there are other places that I love and certain friends don't get into. It doesn't mean that the quality is less because one friend doesn't appreciate it, it just comes down to taste.

Music, like food, satisfies certain urges. Food needs to satisfy hunger but also tends to satisfy other urges, like enjoying what you eat. Regardless of how much you rag on certain qualities of a score, there are certain emotions that some people feel from the score that don't go away simply because you don't like the themes or certain techniques used by the composer distract you from enjoying the music.

Regardless of how much fantastic music I have, I always feel the urge to listen to something new, thus why I explore new released Hollywood scores and stuff in this thread that I haven't heard yet. There is a certain aversion to the familiar that I feel at times. Most new scores don't grab my attention but the underlying emotions in Mortal Instruments did, and still do when I listen to certain cues. Are certain elements of the score taken straight out of the RC formula? Sure. Do they detract from the parts i enjoy? Not really.

NaotaM

09-07-2013, 11:59 PM

Herr Salat

09-08-2013, 12:12 AM

I have found that food analogy by tango:

To employ the old cliche, the film scores are extremely tasty snacks - but the concert scores are the acquired taste, expensive meal at a prestigious restaurant about which you initially think "pretentious shit, how can they get away with charging XXX money for that? Daylight robbery, I tell you!" and leave thinking "Wow, that was absolutely incredible..."

tangotreats

09-08-2013, 12:31 AM

I have found another food analogy by tango

I sure talk about food a lot... I shall have to return to my old sex analogies.

A good film score is like f*****g a beautiful woman... Since I don't have a beautiful woman to f**k, I'm listening to a lot of film music... ;)

I will now quote a wise man:

I like pie.

That is all. More music coming up in a little bit, as soon as my upload speed stops arseholeing me around.

Herr Salat

09-08-2013, 12:50 AM

Sunderella

09-08-2013, 01:03 AM

1. Connecticut Yankee Main Title
2. Class Room Day Dream
3. Time Travel
4. King Arthur's Court
5. Camelot, Beauty & Danger
6. Karen & Clarence Meet Mordrid & Lancelot
7. Merlin the Mysterious
8. Gentle Queen
9. March & Battle
10. Eclipse, Escape & Home!

Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court - YouTube (http://youtu.be/qAXq1KmarUg?t=1m9s)

Download (http://adf.ly/VJkyy) - 320 kbps

Alternative link (http://adf.ly/VJlsG)

Moar orkesetral muzak pls by Jerry Goldhammer

Doublehex

09-08-2013, 01:44 AM

First off:

zaxxbys hook you up bro

Naoto and I are now bros. Goddamn do I love Zaxby's, for reasons I cannot explain. I love how they use crushed ice in their foam cups that are taller than they are wide. I love the sauce they use on their chicken sandwiches. I love how their chicken sandwiches are in reality chicken fingers in a bun. BUT they never, ever, ever fall out or make a big ass mess.

Chick-Fil-A is good and all. They are a very fine establishment. But they do not even compare to the Nirvana in the Mouthe that is Zaxby's.

Goddamn. It is 8:30 in the evening, I am in my PJ's, I have already eaten and I want some Zaxby's. Thanks alot NaotoM.

But as for Tango, a few things. First off:

It is music to be heard as well as music to be listened to, if that distinction makes any sense.

I love that phrase, because it speaks so well what we've been saying in this Thread for the past God knows how long. I'm gonna mentally highlight this and keep it in mind.

But Tango I do have issue with how you think there has to be such a narrow metric for what has to be considered good. And the fact that you even consider what you feel to be good is the objective truth is a dangerous idea. I think there is lack of distinction between what I like and what is good, and they are not necessarily the same thing.

But I'm not saying that you are wrong for saying there has to be an objective standard, because there is. Every artform has created for itself the base necessities for what is "good". A film needs acting, writing, cinematography, sense of scale, pacing and (possibly) good music to make it good. Video games need a good sense of art design (which is not the same thing as graphical fidelity), good level design, game mechanics that work with the narrative, a story that actually compliments video games instead of some other genre (ie movies), a camera that actually works, controls that are responsive, and lack of game breaking glitches.

...I'm getting off topic.

Look, what I am trying to say is that what I think is good is not necessarily the universal standards of good. I consider Planescape: Torment to be one of the greatest pieces of literature ever made. Oh, that game - well, its more of a book than a game, but let's keep this easy - can make your soul sing. That game will make you laugh, it will make you smile, it will brings tears of joy to your eyes, it will make you weep, and it will make you ponder. Oh, the things it will challenge you with. But it is a hard game to experience. It is mostly reading. There is combat in it but the focus is on the words rather than on the combat, and for a medium that places so much emphasis on the action rather than the reflective that is a hard pill to swallow.

So do I fault people when they disagree with me? No! Because my views are not universal. And I never want them to be.

Now if they go and tell me Superman 64 is the greatest game of all time then we will have a problem...

Sirusjr

09-08-2013, 02:09 AM

But is Planetscape torment really a good game? I tried playing it one time and the gamplay was horrendous. I later read a fan novelization of it and enjoyed it quite a bit. Does a good story excuse poor combat when combat is a pretty big part of the game? Do good themes excuse generic ideas behind those themes? Does good action excuse poor writing? Does good camerawork excuse poor acting? The list could go on.

The point being, rarely does something coming out satisfy in all the ways in which it could possibly satisfy. I understand Tango's point somewhat now after some private discussion and I would say he is right there are absolutely some elements of Mortal Instruments that are compositionally subpar to some other scores that the thread has gone crazy over lately. Yet somewhere among all that are a few simple themes that touch my heart. Do I forgive the parts that could be better because of what touches me? Absolutely, just as a lover tends to overlook a few things that make the person he falls in love with less than perfect.

Also, I had never heard of Zaxby's before so I thought Natota M was on crack when he replied to my post. But yes there are certain pleasures we find in fast food places that are indescribable and totally worth it. This place called Woody's Burgers opened near me recently and they make all their burgers with Angus beef. The mushroom burger and jalapeno burger are each fantastic so I was surprised when my friend came with me and ordered a plain burger (that's how he rolls, no matter where you go) and he thought "eh, this is not very good." Apparently he didn't like the less fatty Angus meet because it didn't taste like he expects burgers to taste. As a plain burger I wasn't all that excited by it either. But it's like when you go to a restaurant and order something that isn't very good your friends who rave about that place will just tell you "you ordered the wrong thing man, why did you order that?"