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KaFaraqGatri
04-05-2016, 02:22 AM
I'd never take it that way - no worries!
tooheen
04-05-2016, 05:02 AM
Thank you for the sporting spirit. Eagerly waiting for the rest of the scores.
Sean Barry
04-05-2016, 07:58 PM
It's in the right spot. It was originally written to underscore Bond getting into the chopper, the pilot being electrocuted and the chopper turning into a nosedive, but John Glen decided to remove it.
Thank you for the information! Since there wasn't stated that it is an unused track, I didn't realize. Are there other tracks on your expanded version unused in the released film? Just curious :)
That one isn't on there. It would fit in between Runaway and Take Me Home.
Is this correct Kafaraq?
You know, this TV spot (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rboQp3VK4j4) of The Spy Who Loved Me proves that the Bond theme heard when Bond rides the camera leads naturally into the Ski Chase coda. It was edited for the film. I suppose it's not hard to tell, but this is solid proof.
The cut is mostly alright, because the theme ends when the cameras are switched off, but it's still ever so slightly jarring.
Predatorean
04-09-2016, 12:18 PM
This is great! Many thanks! Patiently awaiting Spectre :-)
KaFaraqGatri
04-09-2016, 07:05 PM
FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE posted.
Special thanks to tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ� for supplying the assets. Given the historical and analogue nature of the source material, some of the tracks are a little hissy but hopefully nothing too distracting. I was hesitant to dehiss them to avoid introducing artefacts, so pretty much left them alone. Like some of the other scores on here, one or two of the tracks are gapless and flow into each other for (what I feel is) a better listening experience.
raybond
04-09-2016, 07:30 PM
Thanks.
ttube
04-09-2016, 08:45 PM
Very nice job on FRWL. Thanks for your efforts. Eagerly awaiting GF.
suteki_da_ne0087
04-09-2016, 10:59 PM
*recovers from fainting*
AWESOME!
chiops
04-10-2016, 01:57 AM
FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE posted.
Many thanks for all your efforts and hard work, mate!
NCFirebolt21
04-10-2016, 02:41 AM
Thanks for FRWL!
tooheen
04-10-2016, 05:12 AM
Many thanks for From Russia With Love. Thanks. Waiting eagerly for The Spy Who Loved Me, A View To A Kill, The Living Daylights, and Spectre.
stardragon978
04-10-2016, 06:46 AM
Many thanks for the upgrade on Russia!
tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
04-10-2016, 06:53 AM
Woo! This one's been a long time in the making.
Can't wait to give it a listen :)
AZabko
04-10-2016, 06:55 PM
YES!! Many thanks for FRWL, one of my all time faves. Downloading now!
JorickThijs
04-10-2016, 07:16 PM
One of my favorites!! Thank U so much for From Russia With Love.
asc2111
04-10-2016, 08:01 PM
FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE posted.
Special thanks to tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ� for supplying the assets.
Thank you very much KaFaraqGatri and tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ� :)
Best regards
Maestrooo7
04-10-2016, 10:32 PM
Just found this thread.
Amazing! Thank you.
May the Vodka-Martini be with you!
dan007
04-11-2016, 09:23 PM
brilliant for FRWL thanks :)
Pierat
04-12-2016, 02:56 AM
Just found this thread too! Wow! Thanks very much for sharing!
tooheen
04-12-2016, 04:11 AM
This is THE BEST THREAD. Eagerly waiting to complete the collection.
KaFaraqGatri
04-14-2016, 07:51 AM
GOLDFINGER is now posted - a Connery double bill this month!
As per From Russia with Love, this edition was created from high-resolution 24-bit analog masters and carefully downsampled for impeccable sound quality; the music is dynamic and crisp with little top end bloom. Due to the analog sources, some artifacts inherent to the source format may be present.
dekamaster2
04-14-2016, 08:05 AM
Thanks a lot!
GOLDFINGER is now posted - a Connery double bill this month!
As per From Russia with Love, this edition was created from high-resolution 24-bit analog masters and carefully downsampled for impeccable sound quality; the music is dynamic and crisp with little top end bloom. Due to the analog sources, some artifacts inherent to the source format may be present.
a big THANK YOU for you works (again)
NCFirebolt21
04-14-2016, 08:55 AM
Big thanks for Goldfinger! :D
raybond
04-14-2016, 01:40 PM
Many thanks for Goldfinger.
ttube
04-14-2016, 02:25 PM
Thanks for GF.
suteki_da_ne0087
04-14-2016, 05:26 PM
Thank you for Goldfinger!
wylkhan_iks
04-14-2016, 07:45 PM
Thank you for Mister Goldfinger !
Sean Barry
04-14-2016, 08:07 PM
COMING SOON: Goldfinger complete. Restored and remastered.
Thanks, but what happened?
Maestrooo7
04-14-2016, 08:21 PM
Dude, it feels so good to finally hear the exact version of Goldeneye as it ends in the movie and not just fading out as it always does on the soundtrack!
Thank you!
Next Vodka-Martini on me.
'Shaken or stirred?'
'Do I look like I give a damn???'
KaFaraqGatri
04-14-2016, 08:24 PM
What happened??
Yes, I spoke too soon. Having spent two years on and off with Goldfinger, I was simply unsatisifed with the quality of some of the material I had been given or acquired - some of the cues weren't even complete. As a result, there is only a minute or two of minor cues missing from this compilation, including one or two "Oddjob stings" that last only five or six seconds. These 'stings' are heard again in some other cues on the album and, to me, are not missed being heard again in isolation. I think what I managed to put together here makes a pretty nice listen, although it won't please everyone.
castas
04-14-2016, 09:58 PM
Thank you for Goldfinger
Sean Barry
04-14-2016, 10:27 PM
Yes, I spoke too soon. Having spent two years on and off with Goldfinger, I was simply unsatisifed with the quality of some of the material I had been given or acquired - some of the cues weren't even complete. As a result, there is only a minute or two of minor cues missing from this compilation, including one or two "Oddjob stings" that last only five or six seconds. These 'stings' are heard again in some other cues on the album and, to me, are not missed being heard again in isolation. I think what I managed to put together here makes a pretty nice listen, although it won't please everyone.
I see. Sounds frustrating. I agree on the minor cues including the "Oddjob stings". I like the merging of Bathroom Voyeur with Pussy Galore's...Good idea! Do you have the cue "A car in the mirror" heard as Bond crashes the car when being chased? I'd be interested even if it's in bad quality, since that's the one standout track that I can't find anywhere else as part of the score.
JorickThijs
04-14-2016, 10:28 PM
Thank U so very very much for Goldfinger, you're the best!!
timeras
04-15-2016, 01:31 AM
Thanks much for the double-bill!!
tooheen
04-15-2016, 12:29 PM
Thanks a lot for Goldfinger. Waiting for the next ones.
suteki_da_ne0087
04-15-2016, 04:03 PM
I think at this rate with only 9 soundtracks to go, the wait is almost over. If this keeps on going, we might have to celebrate Christmas in July pretty early with Bond music!
Nightmare27
04-16-2016, 02:13 AM
Thank you!
I see. Sounds frustrating. I agree on the minor cues including the "Oddjob stings". I like the merging of Bathroom Voyeur with Pussy Galore's...Good idea! Do you have the cue "A car in the mirror" heard as Bond crashes the car when being chased? I'd be interested even if it's in bad quality, since that's the one standout track that I can't find anywhere else as part of the score.
You won't find that one anywhere without SFX.
essexlad83
04-16-2016, 05:56 PM
Thanks for Goldfinger
M.Clarke27
04-16-2016, 06:00 PM
Fantastic work again!
ts151268
04-16-2016, 07:34 PM
Thanks again! Fantastic work so far! Appreciate every second of bond music, so thank you again!
Anaximander
04-16-2016, 09:58 PM
Double thanks for FRWL and Goldfinger
sanaa111
04-17-2016, 02:05 AM
Does anyone have an SFX free version of The World Is Not Enough by David Arnold?
KaFaraqGatri
04-17-2016, 02:51 AM
I am sure someone, somewhere in the world, does. But as for the chances of someone here who a) has it and b) is willing to share it? I'd say nill :/
agrub
04-17-2016, 09:16 AM
HI . THERE IS A "COMPLETE" VERSION OF THE GOLDFINGER SOUNDTRACK WITH "A CAR IN THE MIRROR" AND "AURICS STUD" , BUT BOTH HAVE SFX . I THINK YOU CAN GET IT THROUGH ELITE SOUNDTRACKS.
sanaa111
04-17-2016, 02:16 PM
I am sure someone, somewhere in the world, does. But as for the chances of someone here who a) has it and b) is willing to share it? I'd say nill :/
Are you sure? Please take no offense, but I doubt that. Let's just hope that one will come soon.
Anaximander
04-17-2016, 03:12 PM
Missing stings in GF didn't bother me. I think it makes for a more satisfying, smooth listening experience.
Sean Barry
04-17-2016, 04:55 PM
Are you sure? Please take no offense, but I doubt that. Let's just hope that one will come soon.
Let's hope so.
KaFaraqGatri
04-17-2016, 04:59 PM
Missing stings in GF didn't bother me. I think it makes for a more satisfying, smooth listening experience.
Thanks!
Anaximander
04-17-2016, 05:08 PM
bond producers were notorious for tracking music in the older films.
Not sure if this was Barry's call or the sound editors. I seem to remember reading that it annoyed him whenever they reused the old James Bond theme.
reppa35
04-17-2016, 05:31 PM
Thanks
KaFaraqGatri
04-17-2016, 06:04 PM
bond producers were notorious for tracking music in the older films.
Not sure if this was Barry's call or the sound editors. I seem to remember reading that it annoyed him whenever they reused the old James Bond theme.
You're right; I believe the worst offender was Peter Hunt!
DAKoftheOTA
04-17-2016, 06:22 PM
I guess I'm in the minority when I say I like hearing tracked music? :p
Anaximander
04-17-2016, 06:35 PM
I guess I'm in the minority when I say I like hearing tracked music? :p
Depends for me.
I liked it when Ridley Scott tracked Hanson's 2nd Symphony over the end credits in Alien; think it works better than Goldsmith's original music.
DAKoftheOTA
04-17-2016, 06:40 PM
I mean I like hearing Williams' HP theme tracked in both Deathly Hallows, I like hearing Skyfall material tracked in Spectre, I could go on. Yeah, I love it when music is tracked.
Anaximander
04-17-2016, 07:44 PM
I don't know if this counts but I like when the Escape from cloud city music was tracked over the scene with the snowspeeders searching for Luke and Han in empire.
Also the extensive use of tracked library music in conjunction with the original goblin score in the US version of Dawn of the Dead is nice.
I like the Aliens music used toward the end of Die Hard.
KaFaraqGatri
04-17-2016, 08:02 PM
I guess I'm in the minority when I say I like hearing tracked music? :p
Depends how well it is done. To give but one example, The Living Daylights has some tracked music and I think it completely works. Sometimes it sticks out, particularly if it's badly edited or looped. Otherwise, it doesn't bother me, generally.
Anaximander
04-17-2016, 09:37 PM
It sounds like they looped that low percussive intro to Capsule in Space in YOLT before the harp(?) and strings come in. It works pretty well.
Agree that the TLD tracking was done well. Barry's music is very thematic, in general. Like, he scores more to the mood than the action, so if the mood fits the music, it tends to work well.
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Despite Barry's annoyance at its use, I never minded the Bond theme being tracked in FRWL, YOLT, OHMSS, etc. although it's a little weird in FRWL when it's played over Bond checking into his hotel room. Not exactly a high energy action scene for such a bombastic piece of music. The best of course is when it appears during the card table scene early in Dr. No. So smooth.
http://i.imgur.com/uX0Z8RQ.gif
timeras
04-18-2016, 05:31 AM
My earliest recollections of the Bond films were of the previews for the ABC showings... Always used the original theme, far as I can recall... but that music, with that voice-over, "Tonight... James Bond is Back..." etc. Funny too... I couldn't have been more than 7 or 8... yet those remain vivid memories, even tho I didn't understand 100% of what I was watching.
It's too bad VCR recording wasn't invented yet.
Penguincap
04-18-2016, 10:42 AM
Thanks for posting FRWL.
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Thanks for sharing Goldfinger.
KaFaraqGatri
04-18-2016, 05:47 PM
It sounds like they looped that low percussive intro to Capsule in Space in YOLT before the harp(?) and strings come in.
I think this is a case of them cutting it down for repetition on the LP and not tracking. I could be wrong but I think that's the likely case.
Sean Barry
04-18-2016, 08:05 PM
I guess I'm in the minority when I say I like hearing tracked music? :p
It depends, as others have pointed out. I think it works well thematically in The Living Daylights with repeated versions of Necros' theme (Necros Attacks, Inflight Fight etc.) and in Octopussy with the tracking of parts of 009 Gets The Knife for example. I agrew with KaFaraq that if the editing is done musically and well timed it works.
Anaximander
04-20-2016, 05:02 PM
the thing I find amazing is how well sound editors often did trsacking music in an age before it was all easily done on a computer screen with visual interface to easily line up the cues with the images. I imagine it could be a long and painstaking process to get it "just right"
sjroutley83
04-20-2016, 07:00 PM
Thanks for Goldfinger
Memorabilia
04-20-2016, 07:59 PM
Sean Barry
04-20-2016, 09:55 PM
Memorabilia
04-20-2016, 10:20 PM
Great editing, thanks!
thanks ;)
Killer Kane
04-21-2016, 01:42 AM
Nothing new here! Everything just taken apart from stuff around since 2010 and reassembled.
elmodoggie1
04-21-2016, 01:50 AM
Great Shares. Many thanks. Keep them coming!!
djthuunder
04-21-2016, 01:54 AM
Good stuff, thank you for goldfinger and frwl
KaFaraqGatri
04-21-2016, 02:21 AM
Nothing new here! Everything just taken apart from stuff around since 2010 and reassembled.
Actually everything has been remade/reworked from scratch. All I have done is omit anything sourced from DVD or remixed the same cues from better quality sources (i.e. the Blu-rays). Some of the cues are also retitled, but that's a minor change. Still, if you're not enjoying them, that's fine :)
Faleel
04-21-2016, 02:40 AM
I like that the new versions have dropped some of the recreated tracking, since I am not intimately familiar with the films, some tracking I didn't notice and so was listening to extra music that I didn't "need" to listen to.
Oh and some music that KaFa cut out of his previous versions are restored in some cases (for instance some music in Full of surprises from OHMSS)
Thanks for these Ka!
DAKoftheOTA
04-21-2016, 02:41 AM
Someone not enjoying expanded and remastered Bond music is NOT fine.
Cristho
04-21-2016, 02:43 AM
Wunderbar !!! Amazing !!! :) Many Thanks !!
suteki_da_ne0087
04-21-2016, 06:57 PM
More sad news to announce in the Bond fandom: director Guy Hamilton passed away.
NCFirebolt21
04-22-2016, 03:47 AM
^Sad to hear about that. We've lost so many celebrities this week; first Doris Roberts, then Chyna and Prince, now Guy Hamilton. RIP
Anaximander
04-22-2016, 01:12 PM
Bummer about Hamilton. He was up there with Hunt, Glen and Young as one of the best 007 directors.
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Did the DVD producers source the music from original score master tapes?
Some of the rips in Goldfinger sound quite nice, although maybe that's just KaFarq's mastering skills to thank.
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By the way, let's not lose hope on the possibility of the Moonraker tapes being found:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/james-bond-007-soundtracks-golden-gun-spy-moonraker-view-to-a-kill-octopussy.322777/
Mr Burlingame’s book has given new hope to the existence of the tapes as he clearly states they were ferried to London by Dan Wallin for mixing and dubbing so it would seem unlikely they were ferried back again. Hopefully that’s the case as it seemed many original tapes were destroyed by Davout Studios and Barry did not have a duplicate himself.
If a remix was done in the 80’s then presumably they would have needed the tapes or some other dups to create it? If it was done in the States then perhaps that is where some of the material is.
The general problem seems to be EMI's lack of interest in expanding the rest of the Bond scores. I think they're content to have a 'best of' collection every few years featuring the title songs. It's a shame, considering how many other major franchises *coughcoughSTARTREKcoughcough* have seen full expansions of score albums in recent years. Surely EMI could outsource this to Intrada or LaLaLand and sell these at a limited run depending on demand. The Star Trek TOS box set was, IIRC, in higher demand than its producers had initially expected--the number of Barry fans and general score lovers will yield a fairly high demand for these, if the recent (failed) Kickstarter to rerecord Moonraker is any indication.
Luckily we have someone devoted enough to create the next best thing in this thread, and in most cases, I don't even listen to the original LP sequences anymore because these edits are closer to what die hard score lovers and myself would want in official expanded releases.
GreatKenji
04-22-2016, 04:50 PM
Oh, quite interesting, thanks for sharing this with us. Let's hope someday soon they reconsider all of this and give us an expanded release of each James Bond score.
suteki_da_ne0087
04-22-2016, 06:30 PM
That's very interesting to share, Lyedecker!
I think those "expanded" Bond releases from 2003 were a joke (also, the tracklisting isn't in movie order, but it's scrambled to the original LP listening experience order, while the unreleased bits were "bonus tracks"). "Dr. No", "From Russia with Love", "Goldfinger", "The Man with the Golden Gun", "Moonraker", "The Spy Who Loved Me", "A View to a Kill" and "Octopussy" is missing all of the music that's heard in the movie and while I'd like a re-recording of "Moonraker", I think "The Spy Who Loved Me" is another one in dire need of a re-recording too, as every Bond fan loves that film along with "Goldfinger" (though story has it that the late Marvin Hamlisch lost the masters, but I'm not sure if that story's true). It also helps that TSWLM was nominated for an Oscar for best original score, but lost to "Star Wars".
Intrada or LaLaLand would definitely be the best places that EMI could outsource their Bond scores to, as there will be a higher demand of people who would want these scores to be expanded the proper way.
We have to be very thankful for KaFaraqGatri and those who've helped him contribute their time to help make this possible. In fact, I'm very thankful of this thread, because it really got me back into the Bond fandom (though Skyfall helped on that front as well).
KaFaraqGatri
04-22-2016, 11:33 PM
I know a little about the process behind the DVDs and the expanded albums from 2003. I'll write it up later!
GreatKenji
04-22-2016, 11:43 PM
I know a little about the process behind the DVDs and the expanded albums from 2003. I'll write it up later!
Oh, that sounds quite interesting, fella... we'll wait for you to share your knowledge :D
KaFaraqGatri
04-23-2016, 12:09 AM
I should just clarify that it is nothing exclusive or anything, just stuff I collated over the years.
acestarchild
04-23-2016, 03:53 PM
We're grateful for all that you do - I echo the sentiments above, although owing the official releases I tend to play the expanded versions provided by you kind self.
That's very interesting to share, Lyedecker!
I think those "expanded" Bond releases from 2003 were a joke (also, the tracklisting isn't in movie order, but it's scrambled to the original LP listening experience order, while the unreleased bits were "bonus tracks"). "Dr. No", "From Russia with Love", "Goldfinger", "The Man with the Golden Gun", "Moonraker", "The Spy Who Loved Me", "A View to a Kill" and "Octopussy" is missing all of the music that's heard in the movie and while I'd like a re-recording of "Moonraker", I think "The Spy Who Loved Me" is another one in dire need of a re-recording too, as every Bond fan loves that film along with "Goldfinger" (though story has it that the late Marvin Hamlisch lost the masters, but I'm not sure if that story's true). It also helps that TSWLM was nominated for an Oscar for best original score, but lost to "Star Wars".
Intrada or LaLaLand would definitely be the best places that EMI could outsource their Bond scores to, as there will be a higher demand of people who would want these scores to be expanded the proper way.
We have to be very thankful for KaFaraqGatri and those who've helped him contribute their time to help make this possible. In fact, I'm very thankful of this thread, because it really got me back into the Bond fandom (though Skyfall helped on that front as well).
The running order of the tracks was restricted by the original record label. When they re-released the albums in 2003 they had to keep the original tracks in their original order (though they did sneak some expansions of those tracks in) and then put the additional tracks after as bonus tracks. They didn't have to bunch those tracks together (as they did on Thunderball) forcing us to have to separate them out again.
For 'Dr No', 'From Russia With Love' & 'Goldfinger' the original master tapes are no longer in existence. So you'll never get any more of these, unless a re-recording is ever allowed. Beyond 'Live And Let Die' there was no more budget for Lucas Kendall to work with. From memory he said had he known the money was about to be stopped he'd have done 'The Man With The Golden Gun' ahead of 'Live And Let Die'. Glad he didn't myself.
The Moonraker kickstarter re-recording project was on track I believe, and then having met the target it was pulled due to issues that need to be reviewed (I guess legal issues). This suggests EMI don't want any new version of these albums coming out.
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Looking at the link that Lyedecker posted, (
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/james-bond-007-soundtracks-golden-gun-spy-moonraker-view-to-a-kill-octopussy.322777/) there is a comment by brioni:
The 50th Anniversary was certainly a missed opportunity as the 30th and 40th presented us with new music, a bizarre 2 CD compilation was all that transpired. When Richard Moore was compiling a remaster for Matt Monro’s singles in 2010, he struck upon a problem:
“The original session tapes I wanted to use have been sent back to United Artists films in 2006. This leads to two months of fevered searching. United Artists is owned by MGM and they search everywhere they can think of – The James Bond archives, the MGM archives in the UK and USA and various sub archives – they can find nothing and what's more there is no record of anything being returned to them in the past three years.
So unfortunately these tapes have disappeared down some form of black hole – so I am left with Mono mixes of these tracks for this compilation.”
With mess-ups happening even as recently as this, it doesn’t bode well for future releases although I’d love to see an inventory of those archives!
This comment suggests that FRWL couldn't be found in 2010. However looking on Richard Moore's website you can see that by 2011 he was able to locate multi tracks to make a stereo mix of Matt Monro's FRWL. Does that mean EMI or United Artists did find all the FRWL masters?
http://www.mint-audio-restoration.co.uk/News/SingersCD.html
Anaximander
04-24-2016, 04:02 PM
The running order of the tracks was restricted by the original record label. When they re-released the albums in 2003 they had to keep the original tracks in their original order (though they did sneak some expansions of those tracks in) and then put the additional tracks after as bonus tracks. They didn't have to bunch those tracks together (as they did on Thunderball) forcing us to have to separate them out again.
For 'Dr No', 'From Russia With Love' & 'Goldfinger' the original master tapes are no longer in existence. So you'll never get any more of these, unless a re-recording is ever allowed. Beyond 'Live And Let Die' there was no more budget for Lucas Kendall to work with. From memory he said had he known the money was about to be stopped he'd have done 'The Man With The Golden Gun' ahead of 'Live And Let Die'. Glad he didn't myself.
The Moonraker kickstarter re-recording project was on track I believe, and then having met the target it was pulled due to issues that need to be reviewed (I guess legal issues). This suggests EMI don't want any new version of these albums coming out.
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Looking at the link that Lyedecker posted, (
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/james-bond-007-soundtracks-golden-gun-spy-moonraker-view-to-a-kill-octopussy.322777/) there is a comment by brioni:
The 50th Anniversary was certainly a missed opportunity as the 30th and 40th presented us with new music, a bizarre 2 CD compilation was all that transpired. When Richard Moore was compiling a remaster for Matt Monro’s singles in 2010, he struck upon a problem:
“The original session tapes I wanted to use have been sent back to United Artists films in 2006. This leads to two months of fevered searching. United Artists is owned by MGM and they search everywhere they can think of – The James Bond archives, the MGM archives in the UK and USA and various sub archives – they can find nothing and what's more there is no record of anything being returned to them in the past three years.
So unfortunately these tapes have disappeared down some form of black hole – so I am left with Mono mixes of these tracks for this compilation.”
With mess-ups happening even as recently as this, it doesn’t bode well for future releases although I’d love to see an inventory of those archives!
This comment suggests that FRWL couldn't be found in 2010. However looking on Richard Moore's website you can see that by 2011 he was able to locate multi tracks to make a stereo mix of Matt Monro's FRWL. Does that mean EMI or United Artists did find all the FRWL masters?
http://www.mint-audio-restoration.co.uk/News/SingersCD.html
I can understand the masters to the older scores being lost, but I'm amazed nothing exists or can be found for the later scores.
We know TMWTGG and TSWLM tapes existed as recently as 2003 (whether they still survive is unknown), and it just kills me that the powers-that-be at eon and mgm are still so out of touch with the desires of the film score fan community.
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The very least they could do is release a compilation of unreleased cues something akin to the 1993 best of bond 2nd disc.
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Regarding FRWL, it was my understanding the Munro sessions were seperate from the scoring sessions, so I wouldn't hold out hopes that score masters from 1963 have survived, although we've seen recent expansions and remasters of even older non-Bond scores, so never say never;)
Nightmare27
04-25-2016, 02:31 AM
I am enjoying the frequency of the release of these scores, you've done a grand job, KFG. I have a feeling you're going to end on a high note on these remastered/expanded scores with Spectre. Looking forward to it.
suteki_da_ne0087
04-25-2016, 04:15 AM
Thank you @vzok for the information!
Agreed, Nightmare27! We're enjoying the frequency of these expanded scores and we are looking forward for more. Hopefully the next one will surprise us with a bang, but we shall be patient, haha.
http://i.imgur.com/gv9d387.gif
Nightmare27
04-25-2016, 04:25 AM
Tempus fugit.
KaFaraqGatri
04-25-2016, 06:19 AM
Sorry for the late reply, but I just wanted to add something to what vzok posted in response to Lyedecker's question of "Did the DVD producers source the music from original score master tapes?"
Mi Casa Multimedia (founded in 1997 and once based in Los Angeles but now, apparently, out of business) were tasked by MGM with remastering the monaural and stereo Bond films into 5.1 for the Ulimate Edition (UE) DVDs in the mid-2000s, with work beginning sometime around 2003. These new mixes were used for the Blu-ray releases, although following a poor reception of the UE mix on Thunderball, the 5.1 mix of this film on the Blu-rays is different (read: more sympathetic) to the original mix than the version included on the UE DVDs. An article published in January 2003 read (emphasis added by me):
Original masters from the films only had mono dialogue, music and sound effects - so how can 5.1 surround sound tracks be created? The answer came in the shape of original scoring session at Abbey Road Studios, London. A cornucopia of tracks and formats have been reshaped to form polished surround sound sound by using clips and segments... from up to eight hours of original session recordings.
This, to me, implies that original scoring sessions exist, even for the earliest films. There is some entirely clean (and high quality) unreleased music in some of the films from the 60s, 70s and 80s that was expanded into surround for the UE DVDs, which suggests that it is possible for these cues to be released on CD. Even if a record company released new expanded Bond scores and only had access to stems as opposed to scoring sessions (similar to what was done on for La-La Land's releases of Die Hard or It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World), it would be possible to include new music - assuming separate dialogue, sound effects and music masters exist that were originally created for contemporary foreign dubs. However, the article makes it explicity clear that original scoring sessions exist for (at least some of) the films, so I see no reason why (technically-speaking) some of the Bond soundtracks cannot be given a new expanded treatment.
With regards to missing/unavailable masters, Lukas Kendall (who did the 2003 expansions) stated at the time that:
Master tapes for Dr. No, From Russia with Love and Goldfinger were not at EMI’s Abbey Road vaults in London, where most of the expanded Bond material was kept [he presumed they were missing but who knows]
Thunderball was intended to be a 2-CD set but EMI could not afford it. Additionally, master tapes in the UK and US were incomplete, with at least two cues missing. However, other existing cues were not included for space reasons [the Thunderball album had to be under 80 minutes to fit on one CD]
Nancy Sinatra's vocal-only track of the title song is missing, rendering a remastered remix impossible; the music-only backing track exists so an edit combining the music-only track with the album master was used on the expanded CD
OHMSS is missing the full versions of come cues (which were edited for "redundant passages"), some source music, at least one alternate cue and the film version of "We Have All the Time in the World" as Bond and Tracy hide out in the garage. These cues were omitted in order to create an expanded album that fit on one CD [it runs for 79:44]
Diamonds Are Forever fades out a cue early as it was repetitious and over five minutes long, and the album is also missing only some wild snare drum hits and trumpet fanfares as heard in "Circus, Circus" in the film; again, this was all done to in order to create a single CD album [it runs for 75:48]
Originally, EMI was going to try to remix and expand both Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun from the 16-track tapes. As the transfers were being done at Abbey Road, Kendall was informed that the process was becoming too costly and, so The Man with the Golden Gun would not be done. Had he known he could only do one of the early Moores, he would have suggested the John Barry score rather than the George Martin one — but he didn't, so we lost out on that
There are 24-track tapes of The Spy Who Loved Me at Abbey Road, but it wasn't known if these were for the film soundtrack or the LP re-recording. 24-track mixes are very time-consuming and expensive to work with, which prohibited an expansion in 2003
Moonraker was missing because it was recorded in Paris [although the HTF post by brioni suggests the material is not in France at all]
Octopussy may have tapes of extra music at MGM in Los Angeles, but there wasn't time to check in 2003
A View to a Kill was recorded in London, but the tapes are not at Abbey Road [very strange]
Another thing that was dropped due to a lack of time and money was the tank chase cues from GoldenEye, which was recorded on modern digital tape that required expensive equipment to transfer
With all these factors take into account, it would seem that official expanded versions of the following films, at the very least, would be possible (using stems or scoring sessions, and assuming many of the later films have their original scoring sessions safely vaulted):
- From Russia with Love
- Goldfinger
- Thunderball (2CD set, assuming the alternate versions of the title song and some of the missing cues were included)
- You Only Live Twice (2CD set, assuming the Julie Rogers version of the title song was included along with the instrumental of Sinatra's version)
- On Her Majesty's Secret Service (2CD set, assuming the material edited/cut for the 2003 edition was included)
- Diamonds Are Forever (2CD set, assuming the wild hits were included)
- Live and Let Die (the 2003 edition edits/combines cues and there is no indication the uncut master recordings are missing)
- The Man with the Golden Gun (the 16-track masters exist)
- The Spy Who Loved Me (assuming the 24-track masters are for the score and not the LP re-recordings)
- For Your Eyes Only (no indication the masters are missing, the Rykodisc/EMI editions simply don't include all of the music)
- Octopussy (assuming the extra material is indeed in LA)
- The Living Daylights (no indication the masters are missing, the Rykodisc/EMI editions simply don't include all of the music)
- GoldenEye
- Tomorrow Never Dies
- The World is Not Enough
- Die Another Day
- Casino Royale (aside from a couple of alternates, we more or less have the full score available commercially)
- Quantum of Solace
- Skyfall
- Spectre
The more time passes, the more I lose hope that these amazing soundtracks won't see an official release. It is nice to think the stars will align and that an intrepid record label/producer is able to talk some sense into the rights holders and produce newly-expanded versions of the Bond scores, even if it means using less-than-ideal sources. But time will tell; it always does.
Thanks for all of that KFG, very interesting. I didn't know any of that info re the DVD mixes.
So using stems is what they did with the expansion of Casino Royale 67 - is that right?
Couldn't they have fitted more on to a single CD? I know Bear Family cram in up to 89 minutes on to some of their CDs, and they play fine for me.
The fact that when Richard Moore was searching for Matt Monro's FRWL and UA / EMI didn't seem to have realised that it wasn't at Abbey Road certainly suggests that Dr No, FRWL and GF could just be somewhere else rather than just destroyed. Maybe AVTAK is located with them.
The wild hits and fanfares in DAF can't have lasted too long, can they? Surely they had a couple of minutes of space left on that CD. They included a sting which occurs when Q tells Bond Peter Franks has escaped, but I think there is another one when Blofeld (posing as Willard Whyte) slams the phone down.
Don't we already have the full score for Quantum Of Solace? I thought only the end credits song was missing and that was on iTunes.
Wasn't the tank chase cue on a John Altman compilation CD - couldn't they use that on Goldeneye?
Anyway, I think you are right and that hope is fading for any more expansions. If they were interested then the 50th anniversary would have been the time to do it, and why block the Moonraker rerecording.
Anaximander
04-25-2016, 02:37 PM
Thanks for that comprehensive and informative post, KaFaraq.
In response to your last remarks, I think it will take a lot of passion and interest from someone with a lot of influence in Barbara Broccoli's inner circle, and even then, she may be unwilling or unable to go through the legal wrangles and hoops with all of the different record labels and rights holders involved. We know Broccoli was close to Barry via his wife, and even that hasn't led her to pursue this project or task someone else with taking it on. It could be she has already tried and realized what a, pardon my french, clusterfuck it would be. More likely, however, is that I just don't think it's something very high on her to-do list, as her primary desire is to continue producing new Bond movies and scanning the horizon for Craig's eventual successor.
As has already been addressed by you, myself, and other people in this thread, it's not an issue of the smaller score labels lacking interest so much as it is (probably) an issue of getting the powers-that-be to be enthusiastic about a project that they might perceive to yield little financial return.
ttube
04-25-2016, 03:14 PM
The last few posts have been quite informative. Thank you all for that.
I guess it is still possible but not probable that I will ever hear the original "Best Place In Town" and "Walk To The Barn" (both SFX free) from Goldfinger (my first soundtrack). As KaFaraq stated "Time will tell" but as we wait we all get a little older.
pitkis
04-25-2016, 03:59 PM
Fascinating info here. What about Licence to Kill? Does original session masters exist?
KaFaraqGatri
04-25-2016, 06:19 PM
So using stems is what they did with the expansion of Casino Royale 67 - is that right?
I forget the story behind that, as I have never seen it or listened to the score, so I couldn't say.
Couldn't they have fitted more on to a single CD? I know Bear Family cram in up to 89 minutes on to some of their CDs, and they play fine for me.
There are 90 minute CDs but I think it's a very niche thing and some (earlier?) CD players have trouble with them. Anything beyond 80 minutes requires the pressing plant to sign a waiver stating they will not be held responsible if the disc has readabilty issues on some players.
The wild hits and fanfares in DAF can't have lasted too long, can they? Surely they had a couple of minutes of space left on that CD.
I forgot to mention, a piece of source music was also cut down for the album. I've amended my post above. As recorded, it was over five minutes and quite repetitive but faded out early to, again, fit more music on the disc.
Don't we already have the full score for Quantum Of Solace? I thought only the end credits song was missing and that was on iTunes.
There's the "bar escape" cue that has never been released as well as another Field Trip-type cue, to name but two. From all of the commercially-released Bond scores, this is the most complete, however.
Wasn't the tank chase cue on a John Altman compilation CD - couldn't they use that on Goldeneye?
Yes, it was included on one Altman's agency promos, but it was only the first part of the chase. The rest of the music was not included.
Sean Barry
04-27-2016, 10:38 AM
Sorry for the late reply, but I just wanted to add something to what vzok posted in response to Lyedecker's question of "Did the DVD producers source the music from original score master tapes?"
Mi Casa Multimedia (founded in 1997 and once based in Los Angeles but now, apparently, out of business) were tasked by MGM with remastering the monaural and stereo Bond films into 5.1 for the Ulimate Edition (UE) DVDs in the mid-2000s, with work beginning sometime around 2003. These new mixes were used for the Blu-ray releases, although following a poor reception of the UE mix on Thunderball, the 5.1 mix of this film on the Blu-rays is different (read: more sympathetic) to the original mix than the version included on the UE DVDs. An article published in January 2003 read (emphasis added by me):
This, to me, implies that original scoring sessions exist, even for the earliest films. There is some entirely clean (and high quality) unreleased music in some of the films from the 60s, 70s and 80s that was expanded into surround for the UE DVDs, which suggests that it is possible for these cues to be released on CD. Even if a record company released new expanded Bond scores and only had access to stems as opposed to scoring sessions (similar to what was done on for La-La Land's releases of Die Hard or It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World), it would be possible to include new music - assuming separate dialogue, sound effects and music masters exist that were originally created for contemporary foreign dubs. However, the article makes it explicity clear that original scoring sessions exist for (at least some of) the films, so I see no reason why (technically-speaking) some of the Bond soundtracks cannot be given a new expanded treatment.
With regards to missing/unavailable masters, Lukas Kendall (who did the 2003 expansions) stated at the time that:
Master tapes for Dr. No, From Russia with Love and Goldfinger were not at EMI�s Abbey Road vaults in London, where most of the expanded Bond material was kept [he presumed they were missing but who knows]
Thunderball was intended to be a 2-CD set but EMI could not afford it. Additionally, master tapes in the UK and US were incomplete, with at least two cues missing. However, other existing cues were not included for space reasons [the Thunderball album had to be under 80 minutes to fit on one CD]
Nancy Sinatra's vocal-only track of the title song is missing, rendering a remastered remix impossible; the music-only backing track exists so an edit combining the music-only track with the album master was used on the expanded CD
OHMSS is missing the full versions of come cues (which were edited for "redundant passages"), some source music, at least one alternate cue and the film version of "We Have All the Time in the World" as Bond and Tracy hide out in the garage. These cues were omitted in order to create an expanded album that fit on one CD [it runs for 79:44]
Diamonds Are Forever fades out a cue early as it was repetitious and over five minutes long, and the album is also missing only some wild snare drum hits and trumpet fanfares as heard in "Circus, Circus" in the film; again, this was all done to in order to create a single CD album [it runs for 75:48]
Originally, EMI was going to try to remix and expand both Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun from the 16-track tapes. As the transfers were being done at Abbey Road, Kendall was informed that the process was becoming too costly and, so The Man with the Golden Gun would not be done. Had he known he could only do one of the early Moores, he would have suggested the John Barry score rather than the George Martin one � but he didn't, so we lost out on that
There are 24-track tapes of The Spy Who Loved Me at Abbey Road, but it wasn't known if these were for the film soundtrack or the LP re-recording. 24-track mixes are very time-consuming and expensive to work with, which prohibited an expansion in 2003
Moonraker was missing because it was recorded in Paris [although the HTF post by brioni suggests the material is not in France at all]
Octopussy may have tapes of extra music at MGM in Los Angeles, but there wasn't time to check in 2003
A View to a Kill was recorded in London, but the tapes are not at Abbey Road [very strange]
Another thing that was dropped due to a lack of time and money was the tank chase cues from GoldenEye, which was recorded on modern digital tape that required expensive equipment to transfer
With all these factors take into account, it would seem that official expanded versions of the following films, at the very least, would be possible (using stems or scoring sessions, and assuming many of the later films have their original scoring sessions safely vaulted):
- From Russia with Love
- Goldfinger
- Thunderball (2CD set, assuming the alternate versions of the title song and some of the missing cues were included)
- You Only Live Twice (2CD set, assuming the Julie Rogers version of the title song was included along with the instrumental of Sinatra's version)
- On Her Majesty's Secret Service (2CD set, assuming the material edited/cut for the 2003 edition was included)
- Diamonds Are Forever (2CD set, assuming the wild hits were included)
- Live and Let Die (the 2003 edition edits/combines cues and there is no indication the uncut master recordings are missing)
- The Man with the Golden Gun (the 16-track masters exist)
- The Spy Who Loved Me (assuming the 24-track masters are for the score and not the LP re-recordings)
- For Your Eyes Only (no indication the masters are missing, the Rykodisc/EMI editions simply don't include all of the music)
- Octopussy (assuming the extra material is indeed in LA)
- The Living Daylights (no indication the masters are missing, the Rykodisc/EMI editions simply don't include all of the music)
- GoldenEye
- Tomorrow Never Dies
- The World is Not Enough
- Die Another Day
- Casino Royale (aside from a couple of alternates, we more or less have the full score available commercially)
- Quantum of Solace
- Skyfall
- Spectre
The more time passes, the more I lose hope that these amazing soundtracks won't see an official release. It is nice to think the stars will align and that an intrepid record label/producer is able to talk some sense into the rights holders and produce newly-expanded versions of the Bond scores, even if it means using less-than-ideal sources. But time will tell; it always does.
This explains a lot. Thanks for the info!
I forget the story behind that, as I have never seen it or listened to the score, so I couldn't say.
There are 90 minute CDs but I think it's a very niche thing and some (earlier?) CD players have trouble with them. Anything beyond 80 minutes requires the pressing plant to sign a waiver stating they will not be held responsible if the disc has readabilty issues on some players.
I forgot to mention, a piece of source music was also cut down for the album. I've amended my post above. As recorded, it was over five minutes and quite repetitive but faded out early to, again, fit more music on the disc.
There's the "bar escape" cue that has never been released as well as another Field Trip-type cue, to name but two. From all of the commercially-released Bond scores, this is the most complete, however.
Yes, it was included on one Altman's agency promos, but it was only the first part of the chase. The rest of the music was not included.
Thanks a lot for all of that KFG.
I remember now reading about that repetitive track. It was 'The Whyte House" which lasted over 5 minutes, largely repeating the same minute over and over, so they edited it down to 2 minutes plus a fade as we looped around for the third time.
suteki_da_ne0087
04-29-2016, 02:59 AM
Thank you KaFaraqGatri for all of that information!
sjroutley83
04-29-2016, 06:40 PM
Memorabilia
04-29-2016, 07:48 PM
it is always a pleasure for me to make happy ^_^
Pluto Facial
05-08-2016, 09:37 PM
Thanks for all the hard work you have done with these!
tooheen
05-09-2016, 03:14 AM
Thanks for the hard work. Eagerly waiting for the next update.
comicsatemybrain
05-10-2016, 01:31 AM
I discovered this site only a few days ago, and registered just to tell you how much I have been enjoying these expanded soundtracks. They sound great and I appreciate the time and effort that must have gone into each of them! Count me as another one of those people looking forward to the remaining nine! =)
tooheen
05-10-2016, 03:28 AM
I agree very much with the above statement. KFG, we cannot thank you enough for your monumental efforts. We hope aside from James Bond, you will bring us many more soundtracks in the future.
kane_nr2
05-11-2016, 06:23 AM
Awesome thread!
Thank you very much.
booker111
05-19-2016, 06:11 PM
thanks for CR!
booker111
05-22-2016, 12:30 PM
thanks for QoS- great score!
booker111
05-28-2016, 02:02 PM
thanks for Skyfall!
Anaximander
05-30-2016, 05:50 PM
After listening to Spectre by Radiohead multiple times on rpeat, I can conclude that the Bond producers are idiots when it comes to their taste in good music.
Sean Barry
05-30-2016, 07:05 PM
After listening to Spectre by Radiohead multiple times on rpeat, I can conclude that the Bond producers are idiots when it comes to their taste in good music.
Thanks for the tip Lyedecker. I know what you mean.
Msolo
05-30-2016, 07:38 PM
I fully agree.
Anaximander
05-30-2016, 08:47 PM
Thinking about putting together a compilation of every rejected Bond song ever.
Sean Barry
05-30-2016, 09:27 PM
Thinking about putting together a compilation of every rejected Bond song ever.
Good idea. You know there was a fan-made compilation floating around a few years back including Johnny Cash's 'Thunderball', Julie Rogers' 'You Only Live Twice', Straw's 'The World Is Not Enough', Alice Cooper's 'Man with The Golden Gun', Blondie's 'For Your Eyes Only' and Phyllis Hyman's 'Never Say Never Again'? Can't seem to find it now sadly, so an updated version would be most welcomed.
Some links to help in your quest (You probably already know them, so to all who doesn't):
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/lost-bond-themes/ and
http://graemeshimmin.com/alternative-james-bond-themes/
suteki_da_ne0087
05-30-2016, 10:11 PM
After listening to Spectre by Radiohead multiple times on rpeat, I can conclude that the Bond producers are idiots when it comes to their taste in good music.
Not to mention the Academy and Golden Globe voters too. I don't think the song was that worthy of the win and the songs that were nominated in the awards were more deserving of a win, but that's a story for another time.
For me, I hope this will be one of the bonus tracks on the expanded score for SPECTRE, as it's such a good song and I've been listening to it on repeat as well. I also don't mind the rejected songs album idea as well.
Anaximander
05-30-2016, 11:12 PM
Thanks for the links.
KaFaraqGatri
05-31-2016, 01:13 AM
Thinking about putting together a compilation of every rejected Bond song ever.
It's planned :)
Msolo
05-31-2016, 03:11 AM
Ive put some of the better Bond themes both used in film and rejected on my ipod (yes, I still use one). Interesting to listen as a whole.
salteran
05-31-2016, 08:20 AM
Hi Just wondering if any CD Covers Back & Front have been made for these fantastic Expanded Scores?
suteki_da_ne0087
05-31-2016, 04:33 PM
Hi Just wondering if any CD Covers Back & Front have been made for these fantastic Expanded Scores?
Sadly, no CD covers with fronts and backs (plus a disc and booklet) were never made for these (which I think should be done, as Bond is very underrated as far as designing one of these goes, in my opinion).
However, there are some on the Custom Covers thread.
tintacle made covers for "A View to a Kill" via a request I've made -
Thread 90457
Heidl made covers for "Skyfall" and "Spectre" -
https://hqcovers.net/2013/08/28/skyfall-by-thomas-newman/
https://hqcovers.net/2015/10/27/spectre-by-thomas-newman/
Heidl also made variants for the expanded score for "SPECTRE" too -
Thread 90457
Stinkor made covers for the series, but I'm not sure if he'll make one for "SPECTRE" -
Thread 77043
Mr. Gold made covers for the entire series -
Thread 90457
Most of these have "Original Motion Picture Soundtrack" on them, but I think it's okay (though personally, I'd also like "Expanded Motion Picture Score" on them, just for iTunes organization sakes and since these scores are expanded after all), and could be used to print out and use for jewel cases, but they don't have a back and were designed mainly for iTunes or Foobar2000 libraries.
Still I hope Bond fandom gets more love and more custom jewel case inserts and iTunes covers will be made for these expanded scores soon.
yunba1105
05-31-2016, 06:07 PM
Thank you!
KaFaraqGatri
05-31-2016, 10:27 PM
SPECTRE is now posted.
I am not entirely happy with it, but I feel the score works better put into film order and with the title song in the correct place. I had to cheat a little in a couple of cues but as a first attempt, I guess it's OK. Maybe I will revisit it at some point.
dragonrobot
05-31-2016, 10:39 PM
Thanks!
SgtDecimal
06-01-2016, 12:20 AM
Thanks again for working on these. Very well done. :)
Pluto Facial
06-01-2016, 01:15 AM
SPECTRE is now posted.
Great work, KaFaraqGatri, thanks!
SPECTRE is now posted.
I am not entirely happy with it, but I feel the score works better put into film order and with the title song in the correct place. I had to cheat a little in a couple of cues but as a first attempt, I guess it's OK. Maybe I will revisit it at some point.
I LOVE that you used the IMAX poster image for the cover! Can't wait to listen, thanks!
suteki_da_ne0087
06-01-2016, 02:29 AM
Thank you!
GreatKenji
06-01-2016, 02:46 AM
Thanks for SPECTRE!
Imperivm
06-01-2016, 04:43 AM
SPECTRE is now posted.
I am not entirely happy with it, but I feel the score works better put into film order and with the title song in the correct place. I had to cheat a little in a couple of cues but as a first attempt, I guess it's OK. Maybe I will revisit it at some point.
Thanks! :D
So, this one is sort of an edit of the Score, in chronological order, plus trailer music? :)
KaFaraqGatri
06-01-2016, 05:30 AM
No, it's not just a simple re-edit. Look at the tracklist, you'll see some extra cues.
GreatKenji
06-01-2016, 05:44 AM
No, it's not just a simple re-edit. Look at the tracklist, you'll see some extra cues.
How did you manage to get those extra cues, KaFaraqFella?
NCFirebolt21
06-01-2016, 05:50 AM
SPECTRE is now posted.
I am not entirely happy with it, but I feel the score works better put into film order and with the title song in the correct place. I had to cheat a little in a couple of cues but as a first attempt, I guess it's OK. Maybe I will revisit it at some point.
Anything is better than none, thanks for Spectre, KFG! :)
reppa35
06-01-2016, 05:58 AM
Thanks for the update
Msolo
06-01-2016, 06:00 AM
Agreed. When ever I come to this site it's always here I got to first. The Bond music you all have done... There are no words to describe the excellent job you all have done.
Action_Man
06-01-2016, 06:33 AM
THank you Spectre.
I hope you do go and revisit the score as you have done with previous releases of the other bond scores.
Anyway, It'snice to see it in film order.
tooheen
06-01-2016, 02:37 PM
Many thanks for Spectre.
salteran
06-01-2016, 02:46 PM
Sadly, no CD covers with fronts and backs (plus a disc and booklet) were never made for these (which I think should be done, as Bond is very underrated as far as designing one of these goes, in my opinion).
However, there were some that were made by KapowDesign (sadly, it looks as if the blog is deleted), but they're for the older versions of the score. Luckily, I've saved those:
https://mega.nz/#!oI1UxCaZ!rCUmg0hxoWOCSDjL-p7eMljRMXbWu1zkM-oYsTJmAtQ
However, there are some on the Custom Covers thread.
tintacle made covers for "A View to a Kill" via a request I've made -
Thread 90457
Heidl made covers for "Skyfall" and "Spectre" -
https://hqcovers.net/2013/08/28/skyfall-by-thomas-newman/
https://hqcovers.net/2015/10/27/spectre-by-thomas-newman/
Heidl also made variants for the expanded score for "SPECTRE" too -
Thread 90457
nolomax made ones for the expanded score for "SPECTRE", but luckily I've saved those too -
https://mega.nz/#!cE9FFbaT!zj7ElBQuv7tMHcd9mfai3-LKStObfkcvORRiDY3rf7Y
Stinkor made covers for the series, but I'm not sure if he'll make one for "SPECTRE" -
Thread 77043
Mr. Gold made covers for the entire series -
Thread 90457
Most of these have "Original Motion Picture Soundtrack" on them, but I think it's okay (though personally, I'd also like "Expanded Motion Picture Score" on them, just for iTunes organization sakes and since these scores are expanded after all), and could be used to print out and use for jewel cases, but they don't have a back and were designed mainly for iTunes or Foobar2000 libraries.
Still I hope Bond fandom gets more love and more custom jewel case inserts and iTunes covers will be made for these expanded scores soon.
Thanks for this. Amazing research!!!
wylkhan_iks
06-01-2016, 03:03 PM
Thank you so much !
Nightmare27
06-02-2016, 12:10 AM
Thanks for your efforts. Hopefully more tracks will arrive in the future that you can utilize.
Many thanks for Spectre.
Here is the classical piece that is used when Lucia is about to be killed, for anyone who likes to include source music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxp74hB-4Zw
castas
06-02-2016, 09:46 PM
Thank you
raybond
06-03-2016, 05:38 AM
Thanks for SPECTRE, KFG.
toto4478
06-03-2016, 11:25 AM
Thanks KFG.
One more time, your job is amazing, even if you think that it's not perfect.
booker111
06-03-2016, 02:10 PM
thanks for SPECTRE!
"Technical" question for KFG -
Your Spectre track "Escape From The Compound" is an edit of "Tempus Fugit". You've cut out the fluttering flute bit, which is used in the helicopter fight scene. Is that bit not used as Bond escapes from the compound?
I can't say I've noticed it when I've seen Spectre.
Nightmare27
06-03-2016, 10:05 PM
"Technical" question for KFG -
Your Spectre track "Escape From The Compound" is an edit of "Tempus Fugit". You've cut out the fluttering flute bit, which is used in the helicopter fight scene. Is that bit not used as Bond escapes from the compound?
I can't say I've noticed it when I've seen Spectre.
I never heard it at that scene.
KaFaraqGatri
06-03-2016, 10:24 PM
Your Spectre track "Escape From The Compound" is an edit of "Tempus Fugit". You've cut out the fluttering flute bit, which is used in the helicopter fight scene. Is that bit not used as Bond escapes from the compound?
Nope. On the Spectre album, Newman (as per his album presentation of Skyfall) had one or two tracks made up of music from entirely different scenes in the film. In this case, the track "Tempus Fugit" is a mini suite of material from the opening helicopter fight (which features the fluttering flute) and the compond escape music. The two cues have similar material so I am assuming that's why he edited them into one. From memory, he did the same thing with Granborough Road on Skyfall (which contained similar-sounding thematic material from the Komodo dragons scene and the train chase, IIRC).
tooheen
06-04-2016, 04:18 AM
Thanks for all your efforts KFG. Eagerly waiting for the next update. Cheers.
dai2m
06-04-2016, 10:13 AM
Thanks for Spectre. You've made it again.
Nope. On the Spectre album, Newman (as per his album presentation of Skyfall) had one or two tracks made up of music from entirely different scenes in the film. In this case, the track "Tempus Fugit" is a mini suite of material from the opening helicopter fight (which features the fluttering flute) and the compond escape music. The two cues have similar material so I am assuming that's why he edited them into one. From memory, he did the same thing with Granborough Road on Skyfall (which contained similar-sounding thematic material from the Komodo dragons scene and the train chase, IIRC).
Thanks for that KFG
KaFaraqGatri
06-05-2016, 12:19 AM
No problem :)
hpfanlover
06-05-2016, 08:23 PM
A major thanks for Spectre.
robbie31387
06-05-2016, 10:34 PM
Thanks, as always, KFG!
chiops
06-06-2016, 06:42 AM
Many thanks for the latest entries, KFG.
They're finger-lickin' goooood!
booker111
06-07-2016, 02:10 PM
thanks for YOLT!
suteki_da_ne0087
06-07-2016, 03:42 PM
Many thanks for the latest entries, KFG.
They're finger-lickin' goooood!
I have to agree with you there! The latest updates were very much welcomed. You have FRWL, FYEO, Goldfinger and now Spectre! This has got to be one very Bond-tastic year for expanded Bond scores and I'm sure that whatever the future update may bring, it'll be smashing!
http://i.imgur.com/3jVxypk.gif
tooheen
06-11-2016, 02:56 AM
I have to agree with you there! The latest updates were very much welcomed. You have FRWL, FYEO, Goldfinger and now Spectre! This has got to be one very Bond-tastic year for expanded Bond scores and I'm sure that whatever the future update may bring, it'll be smashing!
http://i.imgur.com/3jVxypk.gif
Agreed very much. Eagerly waiting for the next update. Hoping it is either AVTAK or TLD.
fredfx007
06-12-2016, 09:00 AM
A huge thanks for Spectre!
Muddyw
06-18-2016, 02:12 PM
Thanks for Spectre!
Here's the additional music like the classic pieces during the scenes with Lucia:
http://www.thejamesbonddossier.com/content/additional-music-in-spectre.htm
tooheen
06-22-2016, 05:56 AM
Hello KFG. Many thanks for all your hardwork. I have some scores that I would like to share with you. How may I get them to you? Please advise.
Sean Barry
06-23-2016, 09:37 PM
Has anybody been able to identify the song that's playing over the car radio when Chuck Lee is strangled by May Day in 'A View to a Kill'?
KaFaraqGatri
06-23-2016, 10:01 PM
IIRC, it's source music composed for the film and not an actual song.
Sean Barry
06-23-2016, 10:40 PM
Ok, thanks. Do you know if the track has a title, by any chance?
KaFaraqGatri
06-23-2016, 11:57 PM
Barry didn't title his cues, so it's name would simply be in the format of 2m5 or something similar.
Sean Barry
06-24-2016, 11:14 AM
Ok, thanks! Do you think you'll be able to include this track on your upcoming expanded ATAKas a bonus?
Anaximander
06-24-2016, 04:46 PM
It always amuses me when movies feature source music that's a rendition of the main theme. It somehow seems like a breaking of the 4th wall. Bond movies do this a lot.
KaFaraqGatri
06-24-2016, 07:26 PM
Ok, thanks! Do you think you'll be able to include this track on your upcoming expanded ATAKas a bonus?
It wouldn't be worth it. Not only is the piece incomplete, it runs for mere seconds and is treated to sound like it is coming from the radio. It wouldn't sound right.
It's probably sourced from some music/SFX library, like DeWolfe. I've tried to find it, to no avail.
xavior_firestar
06-25-2016, 12:47 AM
That cue sounds very similar to the Bottoms Up Club music in The Man With The Golden Gun.
Anaximander
06-25-2016, 06:12 AM
It's probably sourced from some music/SFX library, like DeWolfe. I've tried to find it, to no avail.
It sounds to me like a source version of the title theme meaning it would be on the score master tapes. Unless we get an official AVTAK score expansion, it's unlikely we'll ever hear it in full.
Anaximander
06-26-2016, 10:45 PM
Do you exshpect me to talk?
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Never shay never again
daltysmilth
06-27-2016, 08:11 PM
Does anyone have the N64 or Playstation soundtracks to the World Is Not Enough?
KaFaraqGatri
06-27-2016, 10:36 PM
Possibly coming later once we get all the films done :)
booker111
06-29-2016, 12:53 PM
thanks for OHMSS!
Sean Barry
06-30-2016, 04:22 PM
It wouldn't be worth it. Not only is the piece incomplete, it runs for mere seconds and is treated to sound like it is coming from the radio. It wouldn't sound right.
Yeah, I've watched and I agree. Too much volume fluctuations.
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It sounds to me like a source version of the title theme meaning it would be on the score master tapes. Unless we get an official AVTAK score expansion, it's unlikely we'll ever hear it in full.
Unless someone else gets lucky first. Like someone said: Never say never again ;)
OOSTEVEN
06-30-2016, 04:35 PM
Hey guys,
Interesting topic, because I was watching DAD the other day on television and London Calling from The Clash is prominently present in the movie when 007 on the 747 flies back to London and before Gustav Graves makes his grand entrance at Buckingham Palace, but I never found it in any complete or expanded versions of the score...
Is there a reason for this or is it pure a copyright question?
Maybe it is already discussed here, but then I'm sure that I missed it ... ;-)
Clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRbTQKh1RN8
Thank you for your feedback! :-)
Kind Regards,
OOSteven
berkfeedme
06-30-2016, 04:37 PM
Great!
Maestrooo7
07-03-2016, 02:30 PM
A huge thank you for SPECTRE, finally was able to download it.
(I had to create a free account cos it kept saying I've reached my limit registration, which is funny since I downloaded all the rest the same way before...)
Alright, let's see what we got...
Tman08
07-03-2016, 04:52 PM
So....I spotted this Score for The World is Not Enough:
http://elitesoundtracks.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=146
Seems it MIGHT be legit. Anyone here have this by chance? This score is probably #1 or 2 with trying to acquire over the years.
Thanks!
JimMoriarty
07-03-2016, 04:56 PM
So....I spotted this Score for The World is Not Enough:
http://elitesoundtracks.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=146
Seems it MIGHT be legit. Anyone here have this by chance? This score is probably #1 or 2 with trying to acquire over the years.
Thanks!
Sadly it isn't legit sorry, it contains SFX.. :(
Tman08
07-03-2016, 05:39 PM
Sadly it isn't legit sorry, it contains SFX.. :(
Ah.....was afraid of that. Still shocked this hasnt been found yet given EVERY other Brosnan score is available....the hunt continues...
Bondfan0824
07-07-2016, 01:12 AM
For Skyfall, which is the track when Bond captures Silva and the helicopters fly over?
KaFaraqGatri
07-07-2016, 02:08 AM
It's commercially unreleased and not included here, sadly. One day, perhaps!
booker111
07-08-2016, 02:06 PM
thanks for Live and Let Die!
suteki_da_ne0087
07-08-2016, 07:10 PM
thanks for Live and Let Die!
Excellent choice of download there!
I love the Barry Bond scores as much as the next guy, but there's something I really love about George Martin's wonderful contributions with that score. The gunbarrel is perfect, the title song is pure magic and the track "Bond Meets Solitaire" is absolutely amazing, as well as the rest of the score (especially the instrumental that segues to the reprise of the title song). Yeah, the film is pure '70s spy thriller cheese, but the score makes up for it, I'd say (and Sir Roger's performance, but I'm partial to his performance in TSWLM, Moonraker and FYEO).
Bondfan0824
07-08-2016, 08:55 PM
Real quick: I do love these soundtracks, excellent job! Thanks for the hard work. Just one question. How come some tracks have shorter running times than the official albums. Like in FRWL "Death of Grant" is 1:59 according to
http://www.allmusic.com/album/from-russia-with-love-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-mw0000202296, but yours has it as 0:36 seconds. Also, why are some tracks split into two songs?
KaFaraqGatri
07-08-2016, 09:52 PM
Real quick: I do love these soundtracks, excellent job! Thanks for the hard work. Just one question. How come some tracks have shorter running times than the official albums. Like in FRWL "Death of Grant" is 1:59 but yours has it as 0:36 seconds.
That's because on the LP, Death of Grant is two cues combined into one track.
Bondfan0824
07-08-2016, 10:57 PM
Oh, I see. So your tracks are in order of how they were used in the film? Is the rest of "Death of Grant" in another track?
Anaximander
07-08-2016, 11:30 PM
Oh, I see. So your tracks are in order of how they were used in the film? Is the rest of "Death of Grant" in another track?
I think it's in Death of Kerim
KaFaraqGatri
07-08-2016, 11:32 PM
Or it's the cue when the wall bomb goes off, I forget now!
suteki_da_ne0087
07-09-2016, 12:01 AM
The first half of the LP version of "The Death of Grant" is on the track "8. Explosive Close Call (1:01)". The other parts that pertains to it are on these two tracks:
21. Briefcase Ruse (0:22)
22. Death Of Grant (0:36)
I believe those two tracks were cut in the final film, because the battle between Grant and Bond is in total silence.
Bondfan0824
07-09-2016, 05:50 AM
Last question, promise: Is Greene's party music "Regresa"?
KaFaraqGatri
07-09-2016, 06:29 AM
Yes; it is non-original music (i.e. it's not composed by David Arnold) but I felt the general vibe/tone of the track fitted amongst the score pretty well, so I opted to include it. You could, of course, remove it if you did not like it :)
sanaa111
07-09-2016, 08:03 PM
My favorite James Bond scores are GoldenEye (1995) by Eric Serra, Spectre (2015) Composed & Conducted by Thomas Newman, The World Is Not Enough (1999) by David Arnold & You Only Live Twice (1967) Composed & Conducted by John Barry.
Anaximander
07-12-2016, 01:47 PM
Barry was notorious for truncating his cues into single tracks on album releases. That seemed common on older soundtrack albums so I don't know if he was responsible or if the record companies were the ones compiling the music (also happened a lot with Williams scores, especially Star Wars). For that matter, I wonder how much input (if any) that the Bond composers enjoyed when choosing the picks for the OST LPs. It seems like there was a lot of redundancy in the appearance of similar cues, especially on LPs like Octopussy and AVTAK, but then really lovely pieces would often be left out.
Some of the truncation was nice, creating little mini-suites, but it could be confusing if you wanted to hear the music as it appeared in the film.
Muddyw
07-15-2016, 05:16 PM
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For Skyfall, which is the track when Bond captures Silva and the helicopters fly over?
That's "Boum Boum" by Charles Trenet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLBFeoikELo
The other track you hear from the helicopter, during the attack by Silva on Skyfall, is "Boom Boom" by The Animals.
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That's "Boum Boum" by Charles Trenet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLBFeoikELo
The other track you hear from the helicopter, during the attack by Silva on Skyfall, is "Boom Boom" by The Animals.
No, that track 'Boum' by Charles Trenet is heard before Bond captures Silva. It is just before the shooting of Severine.
The track when Bond captures Silva isn't on the Skyfall CD, and it wasn't on the track list of the FYC either as it contains the James Bond Theme.
Muddyw
07-17-2016, 10:26 PM
No, that track 'Boum' by Charles Trenet is heard before Bond captures Silva. It is just before the shooting of Severine.
The track when Bond captures Silva isn't on the Skyfall CD, and it wasn't on the track list of the FYC either as it contains the James Bond Theme.
Then I misunderstood, thanks!
christopherkomar
07-18-2016, 02:13 AM
Hey guys,
Interesting topic, because I was watching DAD the other day on television and London Calling from The Clash is prominently present in the movie when 007 on the 747 flies back to London and before Gustav Graves makes his grand entrance at Buckingham Palace, but I never found it in any complete or expanded versions of the score...
Is there a reason for this or is it pure a copyright question?
Maybe it is already discussed here, but then I'm sure that I missed it ... ;-)
OOSteven
As far as I can tell, any songs that were specifically commissioned for the film (ie. the songs on the License to Kill score and The Pretenders pieces in The Living Daylights), are licensed just for the film. I'm not sure how the royalties work with the films being re-released every couple of years. Maybe the Clash is making a killing off of that scene. Hard to say.
KaFaraqGatri
07-18-2016, 04:24 AM
The Pretenders songs were composed specifically for The Living Daylights. Barry wrote the music to both and used motifs from them throughout the score.
christopherkomar
07-18-2016, 05:06 AM
The Pretenders songs were composed specifically for The Living Daylights. Barry wrote the music to both and used motifs from them throughout the score.
My apologies. That should have read "...any songs that were commissioned." I've since corrected it.
Michael Kamen also helped write the Patti LaBelle and Tim Feehan songs for L.T.K.
Zoran
07-18-2016, 08:00 AM
tooheen
07-18-2016, 12:00 PM
Excellent work by the composers.
Iamtommie44
07-22-2016, 11:14 PM
Hey everybody,
I'm new on this site and I was wondering how I can listen to the numbers. I hear everyone about how great they are, but I don't know how I can listen to it. Could someone explain this to me????
Sean Barry
07-23-2016, 02:03 PM
Hey everybody,
I'm new on this site and I was wondering how I can listen to the numbers. I hear everyone about how great they are, but I don't know how I can listen to it. Could someone explain this to me????
Hey! Go to the first page in this thread. Each score currently available for download has a cover image. Below you find the header "Spoiler". To the right of the header is a button with the word "Show". Left click and the tracklist appears. At the bottom you find the Mega download adress. Just highlight, copy into your browser and click enter. You should then be directed to the download page.
Hope that helps.
Liquid75
07-23-2016, 02:06 PM
Thanks a lot
Iamtommie44
07-23-2016, 02:11 PM
Thanks, I'll try it right away
sanaa111
07-24-2016, 02:58 AM
I now have two James Bond scores on my favorite soundtracks list: The World Is Not Enough (1999) by David Arnold & You Only Live Twice (1967) Composed & Conducted by John Barry.
suteki_da_ne0087
07-24-2016, 04:23 AM
I now have two James Bond scores on my favorite soundtracks list: The World Is Not Enough (1999) by David Arnold & You Only Live Twice (1967) Composed & Conducted by John Barry.
Those are really good choices!
For me, these are my favorite Bond soundtracks:
A View to a Kill (1985)
The Living Daylights (1987)
Diamonds Are Forever (1971)
For Your Eyes Only (1981)
Moonraker (1979)
Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
The World Is Not Enough (1999)
Thunderball (1965)
You Only Live Twice (1967)
Live and Let Die (1973) (I love the gunbarrel!)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
GoldenEye (1995)
Sean Barry
07-24-2016, 12:54 PM
Thanks, I'll try it right away
No problem!
Charlie_Brown
07-25-2016, 10:37 PM
Very Nice, thanks for these post.
Thanks so much for all of these. I've been waiting 20+ years for a clean version of the Goldeneye Tank Chase film version music.
KaFaraqGatri
08-05-2016, 02:00 AM
Thank you for the kind comments, everyone. Sorry for the lack of updates lately but I am working on three more at the same time right now. It is slow going but I am getting there. I appreciate the patience and support.
Robie the Cat
08-05-2016, 06:19 AM
Thanks fir the update! All your work is much appreciated:)
mlg1982
08-05-2016, 10:25 AM
Thanks for all of your hard work on these!
Sean Barry
08-05-2016, 02:43 PM
Thanks for the update!
suteki_da_ne0087
08-05-2016, 03:32 PM
Thank you so much for the update!
blackie74
08-05-2016, 07:14 PM
thanks, and expecting the TBA ones!!! :)
brother_john
08-05-2016, 07:41 PM
OUTSTANDING! Thank you SO MUCH!
Bondfan0824
08-06-2016, 03:39 PM
Just out of curiosity, will you do Casino Royale (1967)?
Thanks for the update!
Imperivm
08-06-2016, 03:58 PM
Just out of curiosity, will you do Casino Royale (1967)?
Thanks for the update!
Some time ago I found here on Shrine a 2CD set containing the Complete Scores of both the 2006 and 1967 movies, but I cannot find it... I think it was a German bootleg.
tooheen
08-07-2016, 04:16 AM
Thank you for the kind comments, everyone. Sorry for the lack of updates lately but I am working on three more at the same time right now. It is slow going but I am getting there. I appreciate the patience and support.
Great to hear that KFG. Could you please give us a hint as to what the three more scores may be? Thanks.
Great to hear that KFG. Could you please give us a hint as to what the three more scores may be? Thanks.
There are only 8 left, so 3 out of 8 is going to keep most of us happy whatever they are.
I'm guessing AVTAK, TMWTGG, MR.
acestarchild
08-07-2016, 08:22 PM
Just happy to know you are working on them
suteki_da_ne0087
08-18-2016, 06:33 PM
There are only 8 left, so 3 out of 8 is going to keep most of us happy whatever they are.
I'm guessing AVTAK, TMWTGG, MR.
I'm guessing AVTAK, TLD and TWINE. It has to be scores that packs a good punch and to keep us happy at the same time.
However, I'm just going to be patient and be surprised.

Anaximander
08-20-2016, 07:08 PM
Just watched Golden Gun again. Somewhat underrated but understandable why it's ranked so low.
Christopher Lee saves the movie. The title song is so weak; Barry's score is pretty good considering he had limited time to compose it. Roger Moore misses the mark. Still acting in Connery's shadow in this one and it would take the next movie for him to come into his own.
Sean Barry
08-20-2016, 08:47 PM
I don't understand this almost constant bashing the title song gets. To me 'The Man With The Golden Gun' will always be one of the more dynamic, dangerous and Bond title tunes highlitghted by Lulu's refreshingly edgy and raw performance. Really captures the feel of the The Man With The Golden Gun/Scaramanga-character and imo much better compared to later sleepinducing 80's schmaltz like 'All Time High'.
I agree with Lee saving the film though. The shitty misogony and the writers reducing Mary Goodnight's character to stupid eyecandy dates it all pretty badly imo.
Barry's score to me is a bit uneven and repetitive while resembling tv music sometimes. But the time constraints he had to work under forgives that to some extent, I think.
KaFaraqGatri
08-20-2016, 09:43 PM
I don't understand this almost constant bashing the title song gets. To me 'The Man With The Golden Gun' will always be one of the more dynamic, dangerous and Bond title tunes highlitghted by Lulu's refreshingly edgy and raw performance. Really captures the feel of the The Man With The Golden Gun/Scaramanga-character and imo much better compared to later sleepinducing 80's schmaltz like 'All Time High'.
I agree with Lee saving the film though. The shitty misogony and the writers reducing Mary Goodnight's character to stupid eyecandy dates it all pretty badly imo.
Barry's score to me is a bit uneven and repetitive... but the time constraints he had to work under forgives that to some extent, I think.
I agree with all of this.
Sean Barry
08-20-2016, 10:29 PM
Thanks Kafaraq. I'd like to clarify also that I like most 80's Bond title songs. 'All time high' isn't one of them though.
nickdv
08-21-2016, 09:33 AM
thanks and keep them coming!!!
kalel921
08-21-2016, 10:59 AM
I had to really search for Moonraker and The Man With The Golden Gun. Found an excellent Synth re-recording of TMWTGG score from the original Barry score sheet music with as much original backing as possible. Trying to find the link. Will post when I find it.
suteki_da_ne0087
08-21-2016, 03:55 PM
The Lulu song grew to me over time. I've come to join the "I've enjoyed it" bandwagon. It literally packs a punch and fits very well to Scaramanga's character. Also, I loved the reprise at the end of the film, so slow and sensual and then it goes back to pack yet another punch.
Lee definitely saved the movie and I forgive pretty much everything else from the movie, as it was the '70s after all. I agree with Barry's score being uneven and sounding like television scores (especially of that era). Even Barry himself expressed disdain for this score and stating that it's his least favorite and I quote: "It's the one I hate most ... it just never happened for me.". Who could blame him? He was under time constraints, so I forgive the score on that front.
Also, this was the Bond film that decided to ditch the electric guitar during the Gunbarrel and instead used an orchestral string arrangement, which sounds pretty good.
I had to really search for Moonraker and The Man With The Golden Gun. Found an excellent Synth re-recording of TMWTGG score from the original Barry score sheet music with as much original backing as possible. Trying to find the link. Will post when I find it.
Oh that TMWTGG score is probably from the old expanded score. It's one great re-recording of the missing pieces, cobbled with a very good DVD rip for some parts, such as the Gunbarrel.
Phuzz Phace
08-21-2016, 09:13 PM
I don't understand this almost constant bashing the title song gets. To me 'The Man With The Golden Gun' will always be one of the more dynamic, dangerous and Bond title tunes highlitghted by Lulu's refreshingly edgy and raw performance. Really captures the feel of the The Man With The Golden Gun/Scaramanga-character and imo much better compared to later sleepinducing 80's schmaltz like 'All Time High'.
I agree with Lee saving the film though. The shitty misogony and the writers reducing Mary Goodnight's character to stupid eyecandy dates it all pretty badly imo.
Barry's score to me is a bit uneven and repetitive while resembling tv music sometimes. But the time constraints he had to work under forgives that to some extent, I think.
Count me as one that loves this theme to TMWTGG. Love the song and Lulu's fiesty voice on it. It's probably the last Bond theme I liked for a good long while (scratching my head to think of another post TMWTGG theme I love). I've always loved the film TMWTGG since seeing it in the theaters when it was first released. Is it a perfect Bond film? No. But, I also don't believe such a thing exists. So, just enjoy and remember the times each film was made.
I had to really search for Moonraker and The Man With The Golden Gun. Found an excellent Synth re-recording of TMWTGG score from the original Barry score sheet music with as much original backing as possible. Trying to find the link. Will post when I find it.
I would love to hear that!
Also, this was the Bond film that decided to ditch the electric guitar during the Gunbarrel and instead used an orchestral string arrangement, which sounds pretty good.
And OHMSS ditched the eletric guitar for a harpsicord - which I really dig.
KaFaraqGatri
08-21-2016, 09:41 PM
Barry himself expressed disdain for this score and stating that it's his least favorite and I quote: "It's the one I hate most ... it just never happened for me.". Who could blame him?
I am pretty sure this is a slight misquote and I see it alot. I believe Barry was referring solely to the title song, and not the score. It was on a Channel 4 documentary in the UK about the best Bond songs, IIRC, and I am sure that is what he was referring to.
suteki_da_ne0087
08-21-2016, 11:29 PM
I am pretty sure this is a slight misquote and I see it alot. I believe Barry was referring solely to the title song, and not the score. It was on a Channel 4 documentary in the UK about the best Bond songs, IIRC, and I am sure that is what he was referring to.
Thank you for that clarification! :)
Anaximander
08-21-2016, 11:31 PM
I don't understand this almost constant bashing the title song gets. To me 'The Man With The Golden Gun' will always be one of the more dynamic, dangerous and Bond title tunes highlitghted by Lulu's refreshingly edgy and raw performance. Really captures the feel of the The Man With The Golden Gun/Scaramanga-character and imo much better compared to later sleepinducing 80's schmaltz like 'All Time High'.
I agree with Lee saving the film though. The shitty misogony and the writers reducing Mary Goodnight's character to stupid eyecandy dates it all pretty badly imo.
Barry's score to me is a bit uneven and repetitive while resembling tv music sometimes. But the time constraints he had to work under forgives that to some extent, I think.
Interesting point. I often feel TMWAGG resembles a high budget TV film from the 70s more than it does a top notch theatrical release. The aspect ratio is constraining; TSWLM and MR actually looked epic and the cinematography did the locations justice. It also borrowed heavily from kung fu movie tropes although I like it when Bond is a fish out of water. Sherriff Pepper is humorous but it makes no sense that he would vacation in southeast asia. He is in the film for the sole purpose of adding comic relief to two action set pieces.
Despite the misogyny in golden gun, I think MR has one of the most misogynistic lines ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiWeqVYYI1c
Sean Barry
08-21-2016, 11:53 PM
Interesting point. I often feel TMWAGG resembles a high budget TV film from the 70s more than it does a top notch theatrical release. The aspect ratio is constraining; TSWLM and MR actually looked epic and the cinematography did the locations justice. It also borrowed heavily from kung fu movie tropes although I like it when Bond is a fish out of water. Sherriff Pepper is humorous but it makes no sense that he would vacation in southeast asia. He is in the film for the sole purpose of adding comic relief to two action set pieces.
Despite the misogyny in golden gun, I think MR has one of the most misogynistic lines ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiWeqVYYI1c
Considerably.
KaFaraqGatri
08-22-2016, 12:03 AM
Thank you for that clarification! :)
And here is the proof:
https://youtu.be/aXQXcLcKYMw?t=6m45s
suteki_da_ne0087
08-22-2016, 12:05 AM
I am pretty sure this is a slight misquote and I see it alot. I believe Barry was referring solely to the title song, and not the score. It was on a Channel 4 documentary in the UK about the best Bond songs, IIRC, and I am sure that is what he was referring to.
That is correct. I don't have a source right now, but he thought the score was "very good".
Imperivm
08-23-2016, 02:08 PM
Hi everyone :)
Some time ago there was a thread for a German bootleg for Casino Royale, both the 2006 & 1967 movies (
Thread 192536)
Now the links are dead... Whoever wants it, here's my re-up:
RE-UP: CD1 + scans (
https://mega.nz/#!2pE3jLDa!S2Vcm0Ueg_bEfl0FqD4uYEnxh17UwL6hFQaRaHRFbH4) | CD2 (
https://mega.nz/#!2ttxmLpR!xtbI-8AlrNY1v7biBTNTtp1k7wVdH6Y4Hvn0yuSJxLw)
Unfortunately, all the tracks in their respective CDs are condensed into one, long cue. Check the tracklist to see the single tracks lenth.
DylanZimmer
08-23-2016, 09:55 PM
You seriously need to create an album of the rejected songs. I'm hearing some great and not-so-great attempts online.
KaFaraqGatri
08-23-2016, 11:12 PM
I'm already there. I've spent some time hunting down elements in as high a quality as possible
DylanZimmer
08-24-2016, 06:40 AM
I'm already there. I've spent some time hunting down elements in as high a quality as possible
very cool. Can't wait.
suteki_da_ne0087
08-25-2016, 05:55 PM
http://i.imgur.com/USw0mH3.gif
Today is the 86th birthday of probably everyone's favorite James Bond, Sean Connery! Without him, we wouldn't have this amazing franchise as we know it today.
Sean Barry
08-25-2016, 11:25 PM
I'm already there. I've spent some time hunting down elements in as high a quality as possible
Very interesting!
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http://i.imgur.com/USw0mH3.gif
Today is the 86th birthday of probably everyone's favorite James Bond, Sean Connery! Without him, we wouldn't have this amazing franchise as we know it today.
...and not his characteristic acshent either ;) Hope he had a nice birthday!
recons
08-26-2016, 07:37 AM
In TLD, when Bond is asked by Leiter's girls whether he fancies a party, there's a little sax track playing as incidental music. Has this ever been made available by anyone?
Anaximander
08-27-2016, 12:25 AM
I actually prefer the string arrangement to the guitar in the gunbarrel. Why did Barry switch the arrangement? I think it sounds best in moonraker
Although OHMSS and License to Kill had great arrangements as well.
FYEO sounds like the Bond theme on steroids XD
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I like the disco moonraker. Guilty pleasure and I like how the opening chords from Flight Into Space reappear at the beginning
xavior_firestar
08-27-2016, 06:35 AM
I actually prefer the string arrangement to the guitar in the gunbarrel. Why did Barry switch the arrangement? I think it sounds best in moonraker
Although OHMSS and License to Kill had great arrangements as well.
FYEO sounds like the Bond theme on steroids XD
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I like the disco moonraker. Guilty pleasure and I like how the opening chords from Flight Into Space reappear at the beginning
The origin of the string arrangement of the James Bond theme first appeared in the 1972 album "The Concert John Barry" Perhaps it was Barry trying something new when it came to the James Bond theme. If you can find it, I highly recommend it. It contains a wonderful Bond suite that the string version of the Bond theme can be heard on and it sound very similar to the Moonraker version. Unfortunately I can't find the version on youtube, but this rescore video does use it, very nicely I might add.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG3p_PvsaoM
KaFaraqGatri
08-27-2016, 07:29 AM
I actually prefer the string arrangement to the guitar in the gunbarrel. Why did Barry switch the arrangement?
I think it was a concious choice based on Moore playing the character lighter. Notice how in DAF, Barry goes right back to the guitar for Connery :)
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