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mtjs
08-27-2016, 02:20 PM
That seems to be the common explanation, but I think it was just Barry's style evolving. Dalton gets the strings in The Living Daylights, too.

Anaximander
08-29-2016, 01:40 AM
The origin of the string arrangement of the James Bond theme first appeared in the 1972 album "The Concert John Barry" Perhaps it was Barry trying something new when it came to the James Bond theme. If you can find it, I highly recommend it. It contains a wonderful Bond suite that the string version of the Bond theme can be heard on and it sound very similar to the Moonraker version. Unfortunately I can't find the version on youtube, but this rescore video does use it, very nicely I might add.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG3p_PvsaoM

Oh I love the concert album and it's one of my favorite arrangements of the Bond theme. I also love the version in "Bond meets Bambi and Thumper" with the synth. Barry was a pioneer in blending unusual instruments with traditional orchestra

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I think it was a concious choice based on Moore playing the character lighter. Notice how in DAF, Barry goes right back to the guitar for Connery :)

Good point. The guitar gunbarrel just wouldn't feel right with Moore and his flared bell bottoms lol

http://www.bondsuits.com/roger-moores-infamous-flared-trousers/


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That seems to be the common explanation, but I think it was just Barry's style evolving. Dalton gets the strings in The Living Daylights, too.

Do you think Barry would have evolved it further if he'd scored Goldeneye?

sintesi
08-29-2016, 01:52 AM
Thanks, KaFaraqGatri, for your continued great work on these scores. There's a lot more here than the last time I came through--I'm looking forward to hearing Spectre!

Imperivm
08-29-2016, 09:37 AM
Thanks, KaFaraqGatri, for your continued great work on these scores. There's a lot more here than the last time I came through--I'm looking forward to hearing Spectre!

It's already there! :D Check the OP

Anaximander
08-29-2016, 12:24 PM
I really need to pick up a copy of Burlingame's book. I found this interesting article on the scoring of Moonraker. Appearently Barry had originally wanted to release a 2 LP album a la the Star Wars 1977 OST (what a shame we never got one). I also was not aware Kate Bush was approached to do the title, although I knew Sinatra was asked and Mathis was replaced by Bassey.

http://www.filmmusicnotes.com/john-barrys-james-bond-scores-part-4-of-6-moonraker/

Interesting how Moonraker, of all films, marks the dividing line between his brassier, more diverse early period and the later symphonic style featured heavily in Out of Africa and the majority of his late period scores. There were hints of him going that direction in scores like Golden Gun, Robin and Marian, The Deep and King Kong, but Moonraker is jarringly different and lusher than anything he'd scored up to that point.

suteki_da_ne0087
08-31-2016, 08:26 PM
Interesting how Moonraker, of all films, marks the dividing line between his brassier, more diverse early period and the later symphonic style featured heavily in Out of Africa and the majority of his late period scores. There were hints of him going that direction in scores like Golden Gun, Robin and Marian, The Deep and King Kong, but Moonraker is jarringly different and lusher than anything he'd scored up to that point.

Agreed. I love the lushness of the score. It's very jarringly different from what he scored up to that point and I think that's what makes John Barry one of my favorite composers right next to Goldsmith, Vangelis and Williams. He's not afraid to try new things. For example, in "Majesty's" he incorporated early synths onto the score and then that same year, he's making a very orchestra heavy score for "The Lion In Winter" (which won him an Oscar and rightly so).

On "Moonraker", you have the "Cable Car Chase", the "Lazer [sic] Battle" and the amazing "Flight Into Space".

Also, Ken Adam's sets really saved this movie.


Just watched Golden Gun again. Somewhat underrated but understandable why it's ranked so low.

Christopher Lee saves the movie.

This is me with A View To A Kill. Underrated and understandable as to why it's ranked low for Bond fans. In fact, it was this, Goldfinger, GoldenEye and The Living Daylights that I saw as my first Bond films growing up. (especially when they're repeated on TBS for their usual Bond marathons. Now either AMC, ION, Cloo TV, SyFy or STARZ does Bond marathons)

Like how Christopher Lee saves Golden Gun, Christopher Walken and Grace Jones saves A View To A Kill, plus Duran Duran's title song and John Barry's score. I could put that score on repeat all week and never get tired of it.

Sean Barry
08-31-2016, 09:06 PM
Agreed. I love the lushness of the score. It's very jarringly different from what he scored up to that point and I think that's what makes John Barry one of my favorite composers right next to Goldsmith, Vangelis and Williams. He's not afraid to try new things. For example, in "Majesty's" he incorporated early synths onto the score and then that same year, he's making a very orchestra heavy score for "The Lion In Winter" (which won him an Oscar and rightly so).


A bit o t maybe, but you by this mean John Williams also wasn't afraid to try new things? If so, what scores come to mind for example?

suteki_da_ne0087
08-31-2016, 11:18 PM
A bit o t maybe, but you by this mean John Williams also wasn't afraid to try new things? If so, what scores come to mind for example?

Ohh Williams did new things indeed. Best examples are Jaws, Close Encounters and then his magnum opus, Star Wars.

Yeah, I should have elaborated/reworded that about John Barry (or any composers for the matter) delving onto new things. This is the result of not having coffee in the afternoon after a stressful day, haha!

mtjs
09-01-2016, 02:38 AM
Do you think Barry would have evolved it further if he'd scored Goldeneye?
Well, there's reasonable chance Barry would've incorporated some contemporary elements into a new Bond score. It wouldn't have been out of place for him, in the context of the series; let's remember the synths in Moonraker, the screaming guitar in A View to a Kill, and the drum machine in The Living Daylights, not to mention the title songs, which reflected, to a greater or lesser degree, the musical trends of their times. On the other hand, we should keep in mind that Barry's nineties scores are mostly all cut from the same cloth, and seem to represent a refinement and consolidation of the orchestral approach he started to develop in the mid to late seventies. Even more action-oriented scores like The Specialist and Mercury Rising fit into that mold. His scores in that period are the most homogeneous sounding of his entire oeuvre. I suppose it's likely we would've gotten another score in that style: a bit more lively than The Specialist, because it's Bond, but not something radically different from his other nineties work. It would've been something like The Living Daylights, with a few contemporary elements, but mostly same old same old.

Not that I would mind, even though I'd miss Eric Serra's score!

suteki_da_ne0087
09-01-2016, 02:55 AM
Do you think Barry would have evolved it further if he'd scored Goldeneye?

There is a fan-made GoldenEye gunbarrel with a gunbarrel music that Barry did for his compilation disc entitled "Moviola II: Action and Adventure"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcztaNGA1ZY

However, to quote mtjs


Not that I would mind, even though I'd miss Eric Serra's score!

mtjs
09-01-2016, 03:04 AM
There is a fan-made GoldenEye gunbarrel with a gunbarrel music that Barry did for his compilation disc entitled "Moviola II: Action and Adventure"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcztaNGA1ZY

Yep, that's seriously splendid!

Sean Barry
09-01-2016, 10:11 PM
Ohh Williams did new things indeed. Best examples are Jaws, Close Encounters and then his magnum opus, Star Wars.

Yeah, I should have elaborated/reworded that about John Barry (or any composers for the matter) delving onto new things. This is the result of not having coffee in the afternoon after a stressful day, haha!

"New" things is stretching it a bit, I think. Have you heard 'The Rites of Spring' by Igor Stravinsky, 'Orb and Sceptre' by Sir William Walton and 'King's Row' by Erich Wolfgang Korngold from 1942? There's an interesting comparison between Korngold's theme for 'King's Row' and Williams' theme from 'Star Wars' here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V47enEvsafQ
Most of the music you mentioned are written in the vein of late 19th century's large-scale orchestral music by the likes of Tchaikovsky or Richard Wagner and utilizing their concept of leitmotif, that also inspired Williams' film music predecessors.

I'd call Williams a very skilled composer though who've created much memorable themes by refining and updating elements from his predessors. But he'll never be as daring, radical or original as for example Ennio Morricone or John Barry imo.

Anaximander
09-06-2016, 12:12 AM
I like to picture, or should say hear, a Barry scored Goldeneye sounding like a blend of The Specialist, Mercury Rising and Enigma. In fact if I had the editing experience and time to devote I would love to do an "isolated score" for the film using the best elements from each of those scores and pasting in the moviola bond theme where appropriate.

Did You Call Me would make a good Bondian love theme

Some elements from Ruby Cairo might work too

Sean Barry
09-07-2016, 06:25 PM
I like to picture, or should say hear, a Barry scored Goldeneye sounding like a blend of The Specialist, Mercury Rising and Enigma. In fact if I had the editing experience and time to devote I would love to do an "isolated score" for the film using the best elements from each of those scores and pasting in the moviola bond theme where appropriate.

Did You Call Me would make a good Bondian love theme

Some elements from Ruby Cairo might work too

Good choice! Would be interesting to hear!

I agree. 'Did You Call Me' would definitely fit as a good Bondian theme.

Yeah, I think for example 'Banco De Cortez', 'Cairo, Kentucky' and maybe 'Veracruz Encounter' from 'Ruby Cairo' could work. They remind me of elements from 'The Living Daylights' and 'Octopussy'.

poomshanka
09-07-2016, 09:45 PM
Thanx for the uploads!

Anaximander
09-08-2016, 08:12 PM
Good choice! Would be interesting to hear!

I agree. 'Did You Call Me' would definitely fit as a good Bondian theme.

Yeah, I think for example 'Banco De Cortez', 'Cairo, Kentucky' and maybe 'Veracruz Encounter' from 'Ruby Cairo' could work. They remind me of elements from 'The Living Daylights' and 'Octopussy'.

I'm going to make a Goldeneye Barry playlist. Sorry if this seems like blasphemy to the Serra fans!

Sean Barry
09-08-2016, 09:23 PM
I'm going to make a Goldeneye Barry playlist. Sorry if this seems like blasphemy to the Serra fans!

Will you use the same track titles as the Serra score or new ones? Feel free to post the playlist when you're done! I'm no Serra fan, so I don't care anyway.

suteki_da_ne0087
09-09-2016, 11:49 PM
This sounds like a cool idea! I can't wait! I like Serra's contributions, as it's a very underrated score, but I would have liked to imagine how Barry would have done it.


Did You Call Me would make a good Bondian love theme

Agreed.

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On a different note, I've decided to revisit a score that's actually on one of my frequently listened soundtracks (too long to mention, but in Bond's case, it's AVTAK and the one I'm going to talk about now):



Amazing score by Barry that packs a punch (especially the drum machine) and it's quite a swan song from Barry to the Bond franchise. I also love the A-ha title song and the two songs from The Pretenders too. Of course I'm listening to the older expanded edition by KaFaraqGatri, but if you're listening to the official remastered one from either Rykodisc or the 2003 EMI, keep in mind that there are some cues missing ("A Real Man", the film edit of the title song, "Why Didn't You Learn the Violin?" and "Aboard Hercules"). Still, don't let that get to you from enjoying one of my personal favorite Bond scores!

Anaximander
09-11-2016, 07:18 PM
Will you use the same track titles as the Serra score or new ones? Feel free to post the playlist when you're done! I'm no Serra fan, so I don't care anyway.

Probably barryesque era titles like "Bond Meets Xenia"

Sean Barry
09-11-2016, 09:41 PM
Probably barryesque era titles like "Bond Meets Xenia"

Sounds like a good idea

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On a different note, I've decided to revisit a score that's actually on one of my frequently listened soundtracks (too long to mention, but in Bond's case, it's AVTAK and the one I'm going to talk about now):




Amazing score by Barry that packs a punch (especially the drum machine) and it's quite a swan song from Barry to the Bond franchise. I also love the A-ha title song and the two songs from The Pretenders too. Of course I'm listening to the older expanded edition by KaFaraqGatri, but if you're listening to the official remastered one from either Rykodisc or the 2003 EMI, keep in mind that there are some cues missing ("A Real Man", the film edit of the title song, "Why Didn't You Learn the Violin?" and "Aboard Hercules"). Still, don't let that get to you from enjoying one of my personal favorite Bond scores!

Agreed. TLD is one of my all time Barry favs. 'Where Has Everybody Gone' and 'If There Was A Man' should get more praise than they do. The last true great Bond songs imo.

brother_john
09-12-2016, 03:12 AM
May I ask a very dull un-musical question about these collections please? (probably for OP KaFaraqGatri ...)


Are they generally on sale amazon etc.? If not, where did they come from...?

Who originated accessing the original tapes and doing the selections, remastering etc.?

Which company published these and when - was it recently?

The cover artwork supplied with this - is it new artwork, or concocted by the poster?


Thanks so much if you have this info!!

HunterTech
09-12-2016, 03:40 AM
I can immediately tell you right now: these are fan made by the original uploader himself. These are not things you can buy. If you see them listed for sale, it's a fake.

As for how they got put together? That's a question the creator of the thread will have to tell you.

brother_john
09-12-2016, 04:19 AM
I can immediately tell you right now: these are fan made by the original uploader himself. These are not things you can buy. If you see them listed for sale, it's a fake.

As for how they got put together? That's a question the creator of the thread will have to tell you.

Ah, thank you!

I wondered because I've seen links to very similar collections elsewhere, with different artwork, and sometimes one or two slightly different track lists. I just wondered where they were sourced from.

But the ones posted here are great jobs! Very pleased to have them!

HunterTech
09-12-2016, 05:03 AM
I wondered because I've seen links to very similar collections elsewhere, with different artwork, and sometimes one or two slightly different track lists. I just wondered where they were sourced from.

What you might be referring to is the original versions of the sets the uploader made years ago before deciding to properly revise them here. You can be lucky in getting the older versions in FLAC, but it's more ideal to get the ones here.

western52
09-12-2016, 08:55 AM
merci a vous

Anaximander
09-17-2016, 03:42 PM
Yes, the current revisions are by far the best yet. Superior track edits and I like how some longer album versions of cues are split up. It's also a pleasure to have the film order over the awkward album ordering of cues. Kendall tried to do this with some of the 2003 expansions but the record company lawyers blocked it.

I can't wait for the latest AVTAK and LTK edits.

sorrymagic320
09-23-2016, 03:08 AM
Thank you!!!

Imperivm
09-30-2016, 09:33 AM
KaFaraqGatri, since the Skyfall FYC has been posted in lossless, could you make a lossless upgrade to your Expanded set?

suteki_da_ne0087
10-05-2016, 06:41 PM
Yes, the current revisions are by far the best yet. Superior track edits and I like how some longer album versions of cues are split up. It's also a pleasure to have the film order over the awkward album ordering of cues.

Agreed with this. The new ones are the best by far due to these reasons alone.

I could see it now: KaFaraqGatri 2016 - Make Bond Scores Great Again.

P99
10-10-2016, 02:37 PM
Hi

it is possible Skyfall with 46 tracks in flac version?

Many thanks

Sean Barry
10-16-2016, 06:17 PM
Is a film version of Snow Job possible to make for AVTAK and a perhaps a film version of Ski Chase from The Spy Who Loved Me KaFaraq?

xavior_firestar
10-19-2016, 07:12 AM
Can't wait for Moonraker, A View To A Kill and The World is Not Enough. :D

JackBauer1
10-23-2016, 10:05 AM
Is there any chance to get that Cue where Bond arrives in St.Petersburg (Goldeneye)

tooheen
10-29-2016, 07:53 AM
Eagerly waiting for the next updates.

xavior_firestar
11-06-2016, 11:41 PM
Any news on the updates? No rush just curious.

Anaximander
11-07-2016, 11:25 PM
Any news on the updates? No rush just curious.

Same here. I'm happy waiting indefinitely, as I always have the last editions he made to get me by. Just curious if there might be any hint at what to expect next.

These expanded scores have been through at least a couple revisions now. I wish I'd saved the originals for comparison's sake.

suteki_da_ne0087
11-08-2016, 11:02 PM
Same here. I'm happy waiting indefinitely, as I always have the last editions he made to get me by. Just curious if there might be any hint at what to expect next.

Same here.

I'm in no rush as well, because I could imagine the blood, sweat, and tears editing scores can be.

We are a really patient fanbase and whatever KaFaraqGatri throws at us, we are ready for some good Bond score goodness.

http://i.imgur.com/OAT7lED.gif

mambomerlin
11-08-2016, 11:27 PM
For many years, this thread has been the go-to for all things Bond music, and I am eternally grateful.

I wondered - has anyone created a film version of the 'Backfire' track? It tends to go on a little longer and is remixed (sometimes rather oddly) in a different manner. Particularly when Bond jumps out the window and runs to his Aston and also just after Bond and Hinx clear the Vatican and take a hard left under an arch, before narrowly avoiding hitting a lorry.

If not, I'd like to try and create my own version. Does anyone know of any tools that could do this?

vzok
11-09-2016, 10:15 PM
Is a film version of Snow Job possible to make for AVTAK and a perhaps a film version of Ski Chase from The Spy Who Loved Me KaFaraq?

California Girls / Snow Job

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apJ-x2p-tvo&t=0s

Vertigo2016
11-10-2016, 05:47 PM
Thank you!

vzok
11-10-2016, 07:52 PM
Is a film version of Snow Job possible to make for AVTAK and a perhaps a film version of Ski Chase from The Spy Who Loved Me KaFaraq?

Ski chase


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxl6pPzZ57E

suteki_da_ne0087
11-10-2016, 08:28 PM
Ski chase


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxl6pPzZ57E

That actually sounds good, despite the SFX around 1:33-1:41. It's still a great job and probably the next best thing we have for the film edit of "Bond 77/Ski Jump"

The Oscar-nominated score is a tricky one to edit, in my opinion. The best example is "The Pyramids". There're too many sound effects to edit out, to the point that you have to utilize the soundtrack re-recording on top of the blu-ray rip, in order to make a seemless edit.

Sean Barry
11-10-2016, 09:13 PM
California Girls / Snow Job

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apJ-x2p-tvo&t=0s

Thanks!

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Ski chase


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxl6pPzZ57E

Misleading title ("Movie edit"), but apart from that and some slight sfx in the beginning and around 1:33-1:41 as suteki noted, plus obvious use of the re-recorded album version, good editing.

vzok
11-10-2016, 10:46 PM
Thanks!

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Misleading title ("Movie edit"), but apart from that and some slight sfx in the beginning and around 1:33-1:41 as suteki noted, plus obvious use of the re-recorded album version, good editing.

There was no way of getting the beginning or the 1.33 bit without sfx unfortunately. I think I boosted the bass, and to my tin ear this rerecorded track doesn't sound too far off the movie track a lot of the time.

I view it as a temp track. It's better than nothing, until someone expands the soundtrack.

If not "Movie Edit" what would you have called it?

suteki_da_ne0087
11-15-2016, 03:46 AM
"Diamonds are Forever" has got to be the strangest movie ever made. "Strange" in a sense that it feels out of place after the dark and grittiness of "Majesty's". The year is 1971 and a film that premiered earlier starring Gene Hackman had all the grit and thrills that I think "Diamonds" should have incorporated, but it didn't turn out that way. The film I'm talking about is "The French Connection" (though I don't mind some elements of "Klute" on there too, but still honoring Ian Fleming's original book and as a direct continuation to "Majesty's" as a revenge story). Here we are in 1971 and pretty much every film was dark in the 70s, considering not just "The French Connection", but also films like "The Poseidon Adventure", "A Clockwork Orange", "Dirty Harry" and "Klute". With "Diamonds", I feel as if I'm watching a prototype Roger Moore film. Was this intentional? Did EON want us to forget the dark ending of "Majesty's"? Was this meant to be a film to make us smile again, considering the fact that the news in our world was kinda bleak at the time with a certain war? Perhaps that's the case why "Diamonds" is the way it is, as a certain film to make us escape from the bleakness of other Hollywood films and current world events at the time, but that's just my guess.

The Bond girl, Tiffany, is written kinda odd? She starts out as a tough-as-nails type, but then turns into a ditz later on in the film, to the point that it's kinda jarring. Charles Gray as Blofeld does nothing for me, especially after the performances of Donald Pleasance and Telly Savalas. Wint and Kidd as henchmen also do nothing for me either. Sean Connery seems bored in this film and lacks the charisma of his earlier films. This wasn't the best swan song to end his Bond era ("Never Say Never Again" doesn't count, as that's not an EON film). This film is infamously known for its plotholes. EON shouldn't have cut those vital scenes that didn't make the cutting room floor...

The real "diamond" of this film is the film score. John Barry's score is my desert island score that I don't mind listening to over and over again without being tired of it ("Octopussy", "A View To A Kill", "Moonraker", "You Only Live Twice" and "The Living Daylights" are my other personal favorites of his). "Circus Circus" has got to be a gorgeous piece of music, as well as the Shirley Bassey title song...in fact pretty much everything about the score is brilliant (especially the piece of music that plays when Bond is at the crematorium). If MGM and EON gave their films to Twilight Time, I would listen to the isolated score track, though that's wishful thinking, considering that there's other rights issues to settle if we were to ever want an isolated score track.

Sean Barry
11-18-2016, 08:28 PM
There was no way of getting the beginning or the 1.33 bit without sfx unfortunately. I think I boosted the bass, and to my tin ear this rerecorded track doesn't sound too far off the movie track a lot of the time.

I view it as a temp track. It's better than nothing, until someone expands the soundtrack.

If not "Movie Edit" what would you have called it?

I understand. It's tricky with sfx. I think it's good work, don't get me wrong. It's just that I really like that the movie version has more funky guitar and different keyboard work capturing the snowy winter feel of the scene, compared to the studio version imho. But I think your version is the best we get at this stage, as you point out. Your contribution is important and valid and I like it :)

Since your track is a mix of music from the actual film soundtrack and the re-recorded studio version, I'd call it 'Remix Edit'.

Sean Barry
11-18-2016, 09:29 PM
Are you still with us by the way Kafaraq?

Msolo
11-19-2016, 02:06 AM
Been wondering that myself

xavior_firestar
11-19-2016, 09:03 PM
He said he's been busy working on 3 Bond soundtracks at once. I can't wait to find out which ones. The tension is killing me. :P

Sean Barry
11-23-2016, 10:00 PM
Shocking, positively shocking ;)

KaFaraqGatri
11-25-2016, 03:00 AM
I am still here. I apologize for the lack of input or updates. I haven't forgotten these and I know we're not many anyway from the complete collection (well, complete as of now). These last ones are the hardest and I am just trying to work out the best way of presenting them. I am sorry but bear with me.

xavior_firestar
11-25-2016, 06:11 AM
No worries! Thanks for the update and take your time. I know these last few will be magical! :)

chiops
11-25-2016, 06:45 AM
I am still here. I apologize for the lack of input or updates. I haven't forgotten these and I know we're not many anyway from the complete collection (well, complete as of now). These last ones are the hardest and I am just trying to work out the best way of presenting them. I am sorry but bear with me.

That's OK. I have all the time in the world. ;)

tooheen
11-26-2016, 08:48 AM
Thanks KFG. We are all pulling for you.

Sean Barry
11-26-2016, 12:44 PM
Good News KFG. Thanks! I bear with you. Especially if The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker and ATAK are in there. Only a wild guess of course ;)

Iamtommie44
11-26-2016, 01:26 PM
Great! Take your time, we can wait

Tarencapel
11-26-2016, 04:57 PM
Good man!

TC


I am still here. I apologize for the lack of input or updates. I haven't forgotten these and I know we're not many anyway from the complete collection (well, complete as of now). These last ones are the hardest and I am just trying to work out the best way of presenting them. I am sorry but bear with me.

KaFaraqGatri
11-29-2016, 01:46 AM
Good man!

TC

A Doctor Who fan, are we Taren? You are not alone :)

booker111
12-06-2016, 02:22 PM
thanks for DAF!

James (The Disney Guy)
12-06-2016, 07:12 PM
Thanks.I Just Snagged Goldfinger & Thunderball!

KaFaraqGatri
12-12-2016, 02:35 AM
THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN is now posted.

suteki_da_ne0087
12-12-2016, 02:45 AM
Thank you!

tooheen
12-12-2016, 04:00 AM
Many thanks KFG.

RDAF
12-12-2016, 02:03 PM
thanks Kaf!!!

Bri-Bri
12-12-2016, 02:22 PM
Thank you!

solo04
12-12-2016, 03:38 PM
Thank You!!

clactonlad83
12-12-2016, 04:49 PM
Thanks KaFaraqGatri :D

chiops
12-12-2016, 07:26 PM
THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN is now posted.

Many thanks!

gururu
12-12-2016, 08:01 PM
THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN is now posted.

I listened to it yesterday; a very commendable job. Thank you for the time and effort you put into these.

I don't suppose you could briefly describe how this recent version differs/improves over the previous?

KaFaraqGatri
12-13-2016, 06:49 AM
I don't suppose you could briefly describe how this recent version differs/improves over the previous?

It's exactly the same version, just a reup; I failed to see any way that it could be improved upon. Gkgyver did a great job.

tooheen
12-14-2016, 05:26 AM
Thanks. May we expect something before the holidays?

Sean Barry
12-15-2016, 07:25 PM
Thanks. May we expect something before the holidays?

Ditto!

mikafu
12-15-2016, 08:42 PM
Does anyone know the CD "Merry Christmas 007" by The Reception Music Co., which contains the following Tracks:

1. Merry Christmas 007! (Radio Edit)
2. Call Me Hilly
3. Resignation
4. Ice Cavern/Irma La Not So Douce
5. The James Bond Theme

The Description:
Originally released by The Reception Music Co. four years before The Propellerheads 'OHMSS' single, and first launched in 1994 at the 007 MAGAZINE Christmas Lunch at Pinewood Studios attended by George Lazenby, some would say 'Merry Christmas 007!' was the inspiration. The CD, containing five tracks, which blends music and dialogue from one of the most exciting films in the James Bond series became a special limited edition run of only 500 copies.

Two of the tracks, 'Call Me Hilly', and 'Ice Cavern', were never released on the 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' original soundtrack album, and were heard for the first time on this limited edition CD.

"This very innovative collectors' CD was one of the first of its kind and is a must for all serious Bond collectors!" "The Reception Music Co. have been responsible for a number of Bond mixes, and this is definitely one of their best!"

recons
12-16-2016, 08:12 AM
I second this request!

mtjs
12-16-2016, 09:23 AM
Two of the tracks, 'Call Me Hilly', and 'Ice Cavern', were never released on the 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' original soundtrack album, and were heard for the first time on this limited edition CD.

We've got those tracks by now.

As for the others, here's one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gEHhLkXexU

Anaximander
12-17-2016, 01:05 AM
thanks for golden gun, man. I quite like this score. midpoint between the brassy and lush barry styles. transitional time for barry. interesting title song, though not my fave, it's memorable in a campy way.

this one always had a certain atmosphere to it, like the film. a bit dreamy.

Walecs
12-18-2016, 06:53 PM
Is there any chance to get that Cue where Bond arrives in St.Petersburg (Goldeneye)

Would love this one!

Anaximander
12-19-2016, 05:33 PM
Would love this one!

There was a segment of the original John Altman cue floating around at one point. Not the complete cue as heard in the film, but at this time the only surviving release of it. The Prague version is VERY close to what is heard in the film and I believe is the version Kafarq used for his Goldeneye expansion--trained ears might notice but otherwise it is good enough to serve as a placeholder until the full Altman cue is someday available.. Perhaps when LaLaLand expands the Bond Scores (in other words, never), then we'll get the full length film version cue in remastered form.

I am pretty sure I have the Altman cue in mp3 (not great quality) and it's a couple minutes long. I will try to upload this at some point unless someone else has it available.

raybond
12-19-2016, 06:03 PM
Thank you for Golden Gun, KFG.

sharpy
12-19-2016, 11:25 PM
Does anyone know the CD "Merry Christmas 007" by The Reception Music Co., which contains the following Tracks:

1. Merry Christmas 007! (Radio Edit)
2. Call Me Hilly
3. Resignation
4. Ice Cavern/Irma La Not So Douce
5. The James Bond Theme

The Description:
Originally released by The Reception Music Co. four years before The Propellerheads 'OHMSS' single, and first launched in 1994 at the 007 MAGAZINE Christmas Lunch at Pinewood Studios attended by George Lazenby, some would say 'Merry Christmas 007!' was the inspiration. The CD, containing five tracks, which blends music and dialogue from one of the most exciting films in the James Bond series became a special limited edition run of only 500 copies.

Two of the tracks, 'Call Me Hilly', and 'Ice Cavern', were never released on the 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' original soundtrack album, and were heard for the first time on this limited edition CD.

"This very innovative collectors' CD was one of the first of its kind and is a must for all serious Bond collectors!" "The Reception Music Co. have been responsible for a number of Bond mixes, and this is definitely one of their best!"

I've never heard of this so would be really interested to hear the two additional OHMSS tracks, as it's probably my favourite score.

Also I'm sure I have two mp3s hanging around somewhere for the brief bits of background music I call "The Ice Rink" and "Oompah Band" (for want of better titles) but was wondering if anyone could offer quality versions of these? Sorry if this has already been covered here!

KaFaraqGatri
12-22-2016, 03:23 AM
There was a segment of the original John Altman cue floating around at one point. Not the complete cue as heard in the film, but at this time the only surviving release of it. The Prague version is VERY close to what is heard in the film and I believe is the version Kafarq

I combined the two, IIRC. I felt it best to use as much of the film's original music as possible.

vzok
12-24-2016, 10:03 AM
There was a segment of the original John Altman cue floating around at one point. Not the complete cue as heard in the film, but at this time the only surviving release of it. The Prague version is VERY close to what is heard in the film and I believe is the version Kafarq used for his Goldeneye expansion--trained ears might notice but otherwise it is good enough to serve as a placeholder until the full Altman cue is someday available.. Perhaps when LaLaLand expands the Bond Scores (in other words, never), then we'll get the full length film version cue in remastered form.

I am pretty sure I have the Altman cue in mp3 (not great quality) and it's a couple minutes long. I will try to upload this at some point unless someone else has it available.

That John Altman cue was for the middle section of the tank chase. I think JackBauer1 was talking about the cue when Bond arrives in Russia and meets Jack Wade. That cue isn't available anywhere. All I have is a DVD rip for that one.

suteki_da_ne0087
12-25-2016, 01:30 AM
"Merry Christmas, 007"



We'll be patiently waiting for the rest of the expanded scores. :D

tooheen
12-26-2016, 06:57 AM
We most certainly will.

suteki_da_ne0087
12-28-2016, 04:01 AM
You know what's good about this year for Bond fans?

KaFaraqGatri gave us the expanded scores "Goldfinger", "From Russia With Love", "The Man With The Golden Gun", "SPECTRE" and "For Your Eyes Only".

The main Bond actors (Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan and Craig) are still with us, as of writing.

The Bad? We've lost Louis Jourdan (Kamal Khan in "Octopussy"), Ken Adam (set designer), Guy Hamilton (director for "Goldfinger", "Diamonds Are Forever", "Live and Let Die", "The Man With The Golden Gun") and George Martin (composer for "Live and Let Die").

tooheen
12-28-2016, 05:39 AM
May they Rest In Peace. Didn't Guy Hamilton also direct "You Only Live Twice"?

chiops
12-28-2016, 05:51 AM
May they Rest In Peace. Didn't Guy Hamilton also direct "You Only Live Twice"?

No, Lewis Gilbert directed YOLT.

Action_Man
12-28-2016, 10:04 AM
Louis Jourdan passed away in Feb 2015.

2016 has not been a good year

Imperivm
12-28-2016, 02:41 PM
Hi everyone! :)
I recently posted the Expanded Score (Thread 213291) for "007 Skyfall", mostly in lossless quality, a couple are from KFG's set.
Check it out! :D

KaFaraqGatri
12-29-2016, 11:25 PM
A VIEW TO A KILL is now posted. A few notes about this:

I'm of the opinion that DVD rips of unreleased music don't really cut it, especially when the music is of poorer quality than the surrounding material. I will, however, include such rips if I feel an album is lacking without them (e.g. the gunbarrels on Octopussy and GoldenEye) or when an isolated score track is available (e.g. Goldfinger, Tomorrow Never Dies). So the focus in this thread has really always been more on chronological ordering, improved sound sources (mastering from higher-than-CD resolution when such sources are available) and including little bonus tracks where possible (e.g. the 12" remix on A View to a Kill, special film edits, demos that were missing from the commercial soundtracks, etc.).

In short, the expanded version of A VIEW TO A KILL doesn't have a lot of extra stuff on it, but I feel it works better in chronlogical order with a couple of extra bonus tracks at the end (there's also none of the hiss that plagued the 2003 remastered release of the score). It's likely that the rest of the remaining scores will follow a similar presentation.

suteki_da_ne0087
12-29-2016, 11:44 PM
Thank you!

gururu
12-30-2016, 12:13 AM
A VIEW TO A KILL is now posted. A few notes about this…

Uh, thanks!

Suggestion though…this thread is 82 pages and going, and it would be an awful help if you could add footnotes to releases on the front page identifying mastering status and/or mastered/remastered version(s) No., and upload dates so folks don't have to comb through the entire thread looking for answers.

rogeerabbit
12-30-2016, 12:13 AM
Many thanks for A View To A Kill, another gem from KaFaraqGatri. These really are the creme de la creme of Universal Exports.

KaFaraqGatri
12-30-2016, 02:39 AM
Suggestion though…this thread is 82 pages and going, and it would be an awful help if you could add footnotes to releases on the front page identifying mastering status and/or mastered/remastered version(s) No., and upload dates so folks don't have to comb through the entire thread looking for answers.

I know, I have considered it. Thing is, most of them have no need for notes or background info (and I suspect most people aren't really bothered). With so few releases left to go, I don't think I will add anything to the first page right now. Maybe once they are all done.

Msolo
12-30-2016, 03:07 AM
These are so wonderful! You are the reason I joined this forum. Everyone here always does great work. Even when there is in fighting. Keep this up! (not the fighting)

NCFirebolt21
12-30-2016, 03:20 AM
Thanks for AVTAK, KFG! :)

chiops
12-30-2016, 08:08 AM
A VIEW TO A KILL is now posted.
"Morwah....morwah powah" to you good man.

Cheers.

KaFaraqGatri
12-30-2016, 09:27 AM
"Morwah....morwah powah"

Hahah, I love it :) Thanks, buddy.

chiops
12-30-2016, 10:56 AM
Hahah, I love it :) Thanks, buddy.

I bet a lot of people must be wondering what the hell we're on about. :p

JorickThijs
12-30-2016, 11:25 AM
@KaFaraqGatri, thank U so much for TMWTGG, but more for AVTAK the most briliant score for a bond movie. Happy New Year everybody.

Memorabilia
12-30-2016, 06:57 PM
Thank you for AVTAK
I want to share missing tracks that I had found, they are not bad, a good job, certainly dvd rip, but absent of sound effects.
PS: California Girls - Helicopter Chase is my old job, I want to share with pleasure

https://mega.nz/#!pw9GxCoC!weJQiw3e7yuGe8wQ53cAidqPMzvyzRuTBwKxjLj5QSk

xavior_firestar
12-30-2016, 07:47 PM
Thanks for sharing that Memorabilia! :)

Memorabilia
12-30-2016, 10:05 PM
it was a pleasure ;)

Sean Barry
12-31-2016, 02:27 AM
Thank you for AVTAK
I want to share missing tracks that I had found, they are not bad, a good job, certainly dvd rip, but absent of sound effects.
PS: California Girls - Helicopter Chase is my old job, I want to share with pleasure

https://mega.nz/#!pw9GxCoC!weJQiw3e7yuGe8wQ53cAidqPMzvyzRuTBwKxjLj5QSk

Thank you very much for sharing Memorabiblia and impressive work on California Girls - Helicopter Chase. Much appreciated :)

Memorabilia
12-31-2016, 12:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apJ-x2p-tvo ;)

it is always a pleasure to share with you.
I not wanted to add this hidden track that feels before the helicopter crashed, but there are the effects of the blades, it would be perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9GCPyVyKIg

PS: I also have this track, but unfortunately feels some small sound effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LeqLiqC14E

tooheen
01-01-2017, 06:21 AM
Many thanks.

Tarencapel
01-02-2017, 05:42 PM
Just superb

TC

Anaximander
01-02-2017, 08:42 PM
Happy New Year everyone.

Thanks for AVTAK!

tooheen
01-03-2017, 03:44 AM
Looking forward to MR and TSWLM.

OhOh7
01-03-2017, 07:07 AM
Many thanks for AVTAK and the best wishes for 2017 !!

asc2111
01-05-2017, 12:03 AM
Thanks for TMWTGG & AVTAK and happy new year !

KaFaraqGatri
01-05-2017, 03:31 AM
A few people have asked about my adding extra albums (video game scores, compilations, etc.). I will be adding some extra Bond-related material, including a full album of rare/rarely heard music from the series. More news to come later.

chiops
01-05-2017, 03:52 AM
A few people have asked about my adding extra albums (video game scores, compilations, etc.). I will be adding some extra Bond-related material, including a full album of rare/rarely heard music from the series. More news to come later.

Delicious!

suteki_da_ne0087
01-05-2017, 04:14 AM
A few people have asked about my adding extra albums (video game scores, compilations, etc.). I will be adding some extra Bond-related material, including a full album of rare/rarely heard music from the series. More news to come later.

Good news! Looks like 2017's up to a great start!

Kelly Harris
01-05-2017, 01:24 PM
I've never heard of this so would be really interested to hear the two additional OHMSS tracks, as it's probably my favourite score.

Also I'm sure I have two mp3s hanging around somewhere for the brief bits of background music I call "The Ice Rink" and "Oompah Band" (for want of better titles) but was wondering if anyone could offer quality versions of these? Sorry if this has already been covered here!

It's brilliant, and was the first of it's kind, before it was the norm to do it and use lines from the film. I'm sure the guy that did it, who I know will let you have a copy... I'll check it out

sharpy
01-06-2017, 12:59 AM
Thank you, would be great.

And thank you KaF for AVTAK. I decided to keep the jacuzzi music/ to Paris etc etc snippets on my personal playlist for completeness, but understand why you removed them. The 2003 cd was plagued with that dreadful hissing which has been virtually eliminated. Brilliant job!

OOSTEVEN
01-06-2017, 11:30 AM
The 2003 cd was plagued with that dreadful hissing which has been virtually eliminated. Brilliant job!

So true, but the Japanese AVTAK- EMI-CD-Releases doesn't have that hiss and sound much warmer. It has the same tracks.

Johnny Utah
01-06-2017, 01:13 PM
Any sign of the remaining scores going up?

Sean Barry
01-06-2017, 09:11 PM
A few people have asked about my adding extra albums (video game scores, compilations, etc.). I will be adding some extra Bond-related material, including a full album of rare/rarely heard music from the series. More news to come later.

Sounds interesting. Good initiative:)

vzok
01-11-2017, 10:07 PM
Many thanks KFG for the updates, and to memorabilia for the added tracks.

Here is a slightly different version of the scene where Bond hangs beneath the blimp in AVTAK. Free from sound effects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwNy5_Oxxd4

xavior_firestar
01-12-2017, 10:09 PM
That's great Vzok. Do you think it would be possible to do a clean version of the Helicopter Crash music Memorabilia posted above? It would also be great to have the music when Bond goes to the Iceberg submarine. Thanks for this delicious contribution.

sexplosion4
01-12-2017, 10:19 PM
thanks

Memorabilia
01-12-2017, 10:47 PM
Many thanks KFG for the updates, and to memorabilia for the added tracks.

Here is a slightly different version of the scene where Bond hangs beneath the blimp in AVTAK. Free from sound effects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwNy5_Oxxd4
Great!!!!
But in Japan there are not all the tracks on a view to a kill ???
It's impossible :( :( :(

booker111
01-13-2017, 02:49 PM
thanks for TMWTGG.

vzok
01-13-2017, 09:18 PM
That's great Vzok. Do you think it would be possible to do a clean version of the Helicopter Crash music Memorabilia posted above? It would also be great to have the music when Bond goes to the Iceberg submarine. Thanks for this delicious contribution.

I don't think it is possible for the Helicopter Crash. What Memorabilia posted was easily the best rip I've heard of that section. But where there are explosions on all of the DVD sound channels then you can't extract the music. You'd need someone to do a re-recording.

I think I've got a version of the Iceberg music that I did ages ago. I don't think it's that great, with sound effects spoiling the quality.

Memorabilia
01-14-2017, 09:45 PM
A view to a Kill - Helicopter Crash
I tried to create a track without sound effects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyvrkqTURe0

https://mega.nz/#!ZsNB0BIC!qARpJ2djxRLvhTgn37a0YxRwrynsrUuphu9CFS2uTBM

Sean Barry
01-14-2017, 11:06 PM
A view to a Kill - Helicopter Crash
I tried to create a track without sound effects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyvrkqTURe0

https://mega.nz/#!ZsNB0BIC!qARpJ2djxRLvhTgn37a0YxRwrynsrUuphu9CFS2uTBM

Wow! Thanks very much Memorabilia! Very impressive!

suteki_da_ne0087
01-15-2017, 09:38 AM
On a random, but still Bond topic, 2017 is a big year in Bond history for many reasons:

- Bond turns 55, which in turn means that Dr. No turns 55

- The Living Daylights turns 30

- Tomorrow Never Dies turns 20

- You Only Live Twice turns 50

- Die Another Day turns 15

- The Spy Who Loved Me turns 40

- Sir Roger Moore turns 90 (!)

- Skyfall turns 5

vzok
01-15-2017, 12:44 PM
Another bit from AVTAK. The attack on Stacey's House. I've added a few bits that were not on other versions I've seen - the bit where Bond tails Stacey home, and the punchy bit of score where the goons first attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6f7vx5-Kpc

Memorabilia
01-16-2017, 02:04 PM
Another bit from AVTAK. The attack on Stacey's House. I've added a few bits that were not on other versions I've seen - the bit where Bond tails Stacey home, and the punchy bit of score where the goons first attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6f7vx5-Kpc

Great Work!!!!

DAKoftheOTA
01-18-2017, 04:38 AM
Does anyone know the source of this (https://www.discogs.com/David-Arnold-Quantum-Of-Solace-Expanded-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/release/2636268) QoS expanded version? I've had it for years and it's meatier than the one in this thread. And no, it doesn't contain any music from the videogame. That's included on this (https://www.discogs.com/David-Arnold-Quantum-Of-Solace-Expanded-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/release/2193514) version.

Memorabilia
01-18-2017, 12:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhwqCBa1YQ8
Does anyone have this version divided into 5 tracks ???
Once I had found, but unfortunately my HD is dead, so I lost everything.
is an issue with bass, guitar, drum, orchestra and voices, divided into 5 tracks

OOSTEVEN
01-18-2017, 02:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhwqCBa1YQ8
Does anyone have this version divided into 5 tracks ???
Once I had found, but unfortunately my HD is dead, so I lost everything.
is an issue with bass, guitar, drum, orchestra and voices, divided into 5 tracks

I sent you a PM!

Memorabilia
01-18-2017, 08:05 PM
I sent you a PM!
WOW!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!
Rep +1!!!!

vzok
01-18-2017, 09:07 PM
Don't suppose you could send me a PM OOSTEVEN?

Memorabilia
01-18-2017, 09:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVrxfvXjKQk

Thank OOSTEVEN, I tried this version for my gunbarrel!!!

asc2111
01-18-2017, 10:01 PM
Hello all.
First, I wish all of you an happy new year, and I hope you will feel good !

@ KaFaraqGatri : Thanks a lot for all your contributions.
@ OOSTEVEN : Je serai �galement heureux d'obtenir le Music Trailer de Casino Royale, divis� en 5 morceaux. Merci par avance. (I will be very happy if you can send me the Casino Royale Trailer Music divided into 5 parts. Thanks in advance for your help.)

Best regards.

Sean Barry
01-18-2017, 10:25 PM
Thank you very much for the great work on the cues from AVTAK and Octopussy vzok! Very impressive!
I'm a bit puzzled about Gobinda Attacks (Movie version) though. Did you rip that from the Blu Ray or is it a mix of the album soundtrack and the score as heard in the film?
I noticed that the build up with the strings, right before the James Bond Theme (during the company car chase) starts, isn't present in any of the versions of the film I've seen. Would be interesting if you'd like to share info on this?

Regards
Sean Barry

vzok
01-19-2017, 09:57 PM
Thank you very much for the great work on the cues from AVTAK and Octopussy vzok! Very impressive!
I'm a bit puzzled about Gobinda Attacks (Movie version) though. Did you rip that from the Blu Ray or is it a mix of the album soundtrack and the score as heard in the film?
I noticed that the build up with the strings, right before the James Bond Theme (during the company car chase) starts, isn't present in any of the versions of the film I've seen. Would be interesting if you'd like to share info on this?

Regards
Sean Barry

It was just a remix of the soundtrack cue. I added in an extra shot of the Bond theme, as per the film. The string build up is in the film, but is a little bit before the chase starts. It's straight after the casino scene ends. It is dialled down low in the film, and now that I've watched that bit again they actually fade the strings a bit earlier that on the soundtrack.

Sean Barry
01-20-2017, 07:35 PM
It was just a remix of the soundtrack cue. I added in an extra shot of the Bond theme, as per the film. The string build up is in the film, but is a little bit before the chase starts. It's straight after the casino scene ends. It is dialled down low in the film, and now that I've watched that bit again they actually fade the strings a bit earlier that on the soundtrack.

Ok. Thanks for clearing that out. I watched that bit too and noticed that the very last note, when all the strings kind of "hammer" intensly, isn't heard in the film. Or maybe that's just me? If it isn't ,it's a shame it isn't in the film, since it adds a lot to the overall impact, I think. I can see why you kept it in though.

Have you thought about doing a rips for the remaining cues not available on the soundtrack album by the way if that's possible? Your work so far easily show what you can do. Cues like Welcome to Delhi, Gunbarrel/A load of bull, Acrostar and Egghunt is sorely missed imho.

vzok
01-22-2017, 12:56 PM
Ok. Thanks for clearing that out. I watched that bit too and noticed that the very last note, when all the strings kind of "hammer" intensly, isn't heard in the film. Or maybe that's just me? If it isn't ,it's a shame it isn't in the film, since it adds a lot to the overall impact, I think. I can see why you kept it in though.

Have you thought about doing a rips for the remaining cues not available on the soundtrack album by the way if that's possible? Your work so far easily show what you can do. Cues like Welcome to Delhi, Gunbarrel/A load of bull, Acrostar and Egghunt is sorely missed imho.

I like all of those cues too, however I think gkgyver did his rerecordings of those ones, and they are pretty accurate.

At the moment I am still tinkering with the Tiger Helicopter track from Goldeneye. I am totally limited to what is on the DVD, so it might be a bit of a lost cause. However the best version I can see on youtube is this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDEHkogdr1s and so far I've managed to get rid of most of the sfx, so to me it seems a lot better. The rest of the world may not agree.

Memorabilia
01-22-2017, 02:00 PM
I have this version

Tiger Helicopter
https://mega.nz/#!g5FHzaBZ!2IhIMdUGNSe37dMFZCjJcB1k51yuzZiOlggvmTn1Qds

Sean Barry
01-22-2017, 02:44 PM
I like all of those cues too, however I think gkgyver did his rerecordings of those ones, and they are pretty accurate.


Ok. I've heard those too and I agree they're pretty accurate but they obviously can't match the real thing. Don't get me wrong here, I think they are incredibly detailed and admirable recreations of Barry's arrangments. But they still sound a bit thin and synth heavy compared to the real thing f�r a trained musical ear like mine.
I understand if maybe you don't feel these tracks are priority, but it would be great if you were able to do them? I tried but couldn't.
If you can't or won't maybe Memorabilia would have a go? :)

OLLOPLLO
01-22-2017, 02:57 PM
Fantastic, looking forward Moonraker & Spy who loves me
excellent work
Thanks

vzok
01-22-2017, 10:38 PM
Ok. I've heard those too and I agree they're pretty accurate but they obviously can't match the real thing. Don't get me wrong here, I think they are incredibly detailed and admirable recreations of Barry's arrangments. But they still sound a bit thin and synth heavy compared to the real thing f�r a trained musical ear like mine.
I understand if maybe you don't feel these tracks are priority, but it would be great if you were able to do them? I tried but couldn't.
If you can't or won't maybe Memorabilia would have a go? :)

I'll have a look at them, but my guess is I'm probably not going to come up with anything different to you. I mess about with the DVD tracks generally.

gkgyver was using the DVD audio tracks and augmenting them with synths. That's probably about as good as anyone is going to do without doing a professional rerecording with an orchestra.

Sean Barry
01-22-2017, 11:13 PM
I'll have a look at them, but my guess is I'm probably not going to come up with anything different to you. I mess about with the DVD tracks generally.

gkgyver was using the DVD audio tracks and augmenting them with synths. That's probably about as good as anyone is going to do without doing a professional rerecording with an orchestra.

Ok. I'm no extreme audiophile so any ok dvd-rip with the score as heard in the film, if you're somehow manage to do it, sounds good to me :)

Yeah, you're probably right about the augmentations.

vzok
01-22-2017, 11:54 PM
Ok. I'm no extreme audiophile so any ok dvd-rip with the score as heard in the film, if you're somehow manage to do it, sounds good to me :)

Yeah, you're probably right about the augmentations.

I'm having a listen to these tracks now for OP. gkgyver used the synths to augment the DVD audio for Moonraker and Golden Gun if I remember, but for OP the tracks are just synths, and I can see why now. OP seems to have a different audio mix, and the sfx seem to be on all of the audio tracks. I could do a rip but there would be some sfx left.

---------- Post added at 04:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:20 PM ----------






OK, here is a very quick stab at "Welcome To Delhi"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ec33CpgLHs

Bri-Bri
01-23-2017, 12:42 AM
Could someone please give me a track list with AVTAK with all the extra cues inserted? Thanks.

Sean Barry
01-23-2017, 09:06 PM
I'm having a listen to these tracks now for OP. gkgyver used the synths to augment the DVD audio for Moonraker and Golden Gun if I remember, but for OP the tracks are just synths, and I can see why now. OP seems to have a different audio mix, and the sfx seem to be on all of the audio tracks. I could do a rip but there would be some sfx left.

---------- Post added at 04:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:20 PM ----------




OK, here is a very quick stab at "Welcome To Delhi"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ec33CpgLHs

You're right. That explains the synths.

Wow! Great work under the circumstances! Looking forward to what you can come up with. Cheers! :)

/SB

vzok
01-23-2017, 10:43 PM
You're right. That explains the synths.

Wow! Great work under the circumstances! Looking forward to what you can come up with. Cheers! :)

/SB

I think "Welcome to Delhi" is about as good as it can be. Gunbarrel, Acrostar and Egghunt are full of fx, so I haven't been able to get anywhere with them. I also looked at the "Checkpoint Charlie" cue and that was full of fx. All of those are better as gkgyver did them.

The only Octopussy track I managed to get free of fx recently was this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tD-3FnAfuo

agrub
01-24-2017, 06:40 AM
DOES ANYONE HAVE THE ICEBERG SUBMARINE CUE ( CALL ME JAMES) FROM AVTAK. IT WOULD COMPLETE THE OPENING SEQUENCE , AS YOU GUYS HAVE FILLED IN ALL
THE OTHER MUSIC FROM THAT SECTION OF THE PRE MAIN TITLE SECTION OF THE MOVIE.
THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT STUFF COMING THROUGH, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE GREAT MUSIC IN 2017.

DAKoftheOTA
01-24-2017, 07:15 AM
I THINK YOU FORGOT TO TURN CAPSLOCK OFF :p

recons
01-24-2017, 09:08 AM
DOES ANYONE HAVE THE ICEBERG SUBMARINE CUE ( CALL ME JAMES) FROM AVTAK. IT WOULD COMPLETE THE OPENING SEQUENCE , AS YOU GUYS HAVE FILLED IN ALL
THE OTHER MUSIC FROM THAT SECTION OF THE PRE MAIN TITLE SECTION OF THE MOVIE.
THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT STUFF COMING THROUGH, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE GREAT MUSIC IN 2017.

I have a version of Call Me James, but it suffers from hiss and the wind sound effect is still present at the beginning of the track, but the speech and other sfx are absent. I think it's ripped from the rear surrounds. In case it's of any use to you, here it is (https://www.sendspace.com/file/cve7rz).

agrub
01-24-2017, 09:36 AM
Thanks heaps , it will complete the pre title sequence.

Memorabilia
01-24-2017, 10:59 AM
This is a suite that I created for The Man with the Golden Gun, a very dynamic soundtrack ;)
https://mega.nz/#!J1dAjKia!jt47nNAgNY-Y5iT7oY7nMnIHJG_4pHByZ-Yd8t4uWhs

Sean Barry
01-24-2017, 08:30 PM
I think "Welcome to Delhi" is about as good as it can be. Gunbarrel, Acrostar and Egghunt are full of fx, so I haven't been able to get anywhere with them. I also looked at the "Checkpoint Charlie" cue and that was full of fx. All of those are better as gkgyver did them.

The only Octopussy track I managed to get free of fx recently was this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tD-3FnAfuo

Ok, bad luck. But thank you very much for 'Welcome to Delhi' and 'Diffusing The Bomb'. I already knew about the last track. Great work there too, thank you very much :)

agrub
01-25-2017, 02:32 AM
Does anyone have the short cue from AVATK where General Gogol confronts zorin at the race track . I think it is called "physiological freak"? I spotted it on a
track-list some time back.

hgohari73
01-25-2017, 06:30 AM
Also does anyone have and can add the short cue as well when Bond and his assistant are going in their car heading towards Zorin's huge Estate? And can add this as well? hgohari73

brother_john
01-25-2017, 10:24 PM
Thanks for The Man With the Golden Gun! Plugged a gap in my collection! :-)

Enigma84
01-26-2017, 01:47 AM
Also does anyone have and can add the short cue as well when Bond and his assistant are going in their car heading towards Zorin's huge Estate? And can add this as well? hgohari73

Yeah, very much chasing this as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZak8Ri37oo

hgohari73
01-27-2017, 02:43 AM
Yeah can someone get a clean rip of the music cue driving up to Zorins castle?

BondScores
01-29-2017, 08:19 PM
Hi vzok - thanks for some great work isolating some of the unreleased moments of AVTAK's score. I was wondering if you had them as downloadable mp3 links? Many thanks in advance!

Anaximander
02-06-2017, 12:27 AM
I've been wanting a sfx free version of the arrival at zorin estate cue for ages. At this point I'll settle for sfx since I doubt we'll ever get an expanded AVTAK score

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Does anyone have the short cue from AVATK where General Gogol confronts zorin at the race track . I think it is called "physiological freak"? I spotted it on a
track-list some time back.

I dunno but I always chuckle when the Russian guy says physiological freak

Sean Barry
02-18-2017, 04:37 PM
Will your collection of Bond rarities include tracks not previously available on the expanded scores here Kafaraq?

suteki_da_ne0087
02-18-2017, 07:30 PM
For me, as long as it has Ace of Base's "The GoldenEye", Eva Almer's "Forever (I Am All Yours)" or Nina's "The More Things Change" (they were absent from their respectful expanded releases on here, especially "Forever (I Am All Yours)" on the expanded "Quantum Of Solace"), I'm happy.

Bri-Bri
02-18-2017, 08:15 PM
So I guess that's a noon the AVTAK track list with where the new files go?

Sean Barry
02-19-2017, 01:03 AM
For me, as long as it has Ace of Base's "The GoldenEye", Eva Almer's "Forever (I Am All Yours)" or Nina's "The More Things Change" (they were absent from their respectful expanded releases on here, especially "Forever (I Am All Yours)" on the expanded "Quantum Of Solace"), I'm happy.

Those would be nice, yes :)

booker111
02-21-2017, 03:21 PM
thanks for DAD!

Walecs
02-21-2017, 06:46 PM
There was a segment of the original John Altman cue floating around at one point. Not the complete cue as heard in the film, but at this time the only surviving release of it. The Prague version is VERY close to what is heard in the film and I believe is the version Kafarq used for his Goldeneye expansion--trained ears might notice but otherwise it is good enough to serve as a placeholder until the full Altman cue is someday available.. Perhaps when LaLaLand expands the Bond Scores (in other words, never), then we'll get the full length film version cue in remastered form.

I am pretty sure I have the Altman cue in mp3 (not great quality) and it's a couple minutes long. I will try to upload this at some point unless someone else has it available.

I see, thank you :)

Knightwriter
02-21-2017, 07:46 PM
For me, as long as it has Ace of Base's "The GoldenEye", Eva Almer's "Forever (I Am All Yours)" or Nina's "The More Things Change" (they were absent from their respectful expanded releases on here, especially "Forever (I Am All Yours)" on the expanded "Quantum Of Solace"), I'm happy.

Or Shirley Bassey's "No Good About Goodbye", written by David Arnold, which uses several musical phrases from his "Quantum of Solace" score, and features the word "Solace" in the lyrics.

It's not technically a "rejected theme", since it wasn't finished and submitted in time, but still.

raybond
02-21-2017, 08:20 PM
Or Shirley Bassey's "No Good About Goodbye", written by David Arnold, which uses several musical phrases from his "Quantum of Solace" score, and features the word "Solace" in the lyrics.

It's not technically a "rejected theme", since it wasn't finished and submitted in time, but still.

It was never rejected, because it was never written for the film at all. Arnold took a riff from the film, and expanded it for Bassey after the film was completed and released. The 'rejected for QOS' meme for this song, great as the song is, is one that just won't go away.

Knightwriter
02-21-2017, 09:31 PM
It was never rejected, because it was never written for the film at all. Arnold took a riff from the film, and expanded it for Bassey after the film was completed and released. The 'rejected for QOS' meme for this song, great as the song is, is one that just won't go away.

In an interview with MI6-HQ, Arnold confirmed that it WAS being worked on for the film -- but that only a few lines of the song were written and it was far from complete by the time Jack White and Alicia Keys were chosen to perform "Another Way To Die." When he was asked to produce Shirley Bassey's new album, "The Performance", Arnold teamed up with lyricist Don Black to finish the song for her specifically.

So it was being noodled around, based on his QOS score, but not completed, and not submitted. It was resurrected and finished, post-film, specifically for Bassey.

(Source: Due to Twitter's god-awful search function, I can't find Arnold's original tweets, but here's the post on MI6-HQ: https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/index.php?itemid=8079 )

suteki_da_ne0087
02-23-2017, 12:11 AM
It's confirmed now that Daniel Craig is the 2nd longest serving Bond (Craig lasted from 2006-2015 with only 4 movies on his belt), with Sir Roger Moore being the first (he ran from 1973-1985 with 7 movies on his belt). Source is here (http://www.avclub.com/article/today-daniel-craig-officially-becomes-second-longe-250638).

Let's think about this: Daniel Craig just beat Sean Connery for that spot.

tooheen
02-23-2017, 04:44 AM
An interesting piece of Bond trivia.

OOSTEVEN
02-23-2017, 01:49 PM
It's confirmed now that Daniel Craig is the 2nd longest serving Bond (Craig lasted from 2006-2015 with only 4 movies on his belt), with Sir Roger Moore being the first (he ran from 1973-1985 with 7 movies on his belt). Source is here (http://www.avclub.com/article/today-daniel-craig-officially-becomes-second-longe-250638).

Let's think about this: Daniel Craig just beat Sean Connery for that spot.

Shouldn't it be more interesting that this would be expressed in screen minutes appearing as 007? Just a thought...

Sean Barry
02-24-2017, 12:17 AM
It's confirmed now that Daniel Craig is the 2nd longest serving Bond (Craig lasted from 2006-2015 with only 4 movies on his belt), with Sir Roger Moore being the first (he ran from 1973-1985 with 7 movies on his belt). Source is here (http://www.avclub.com/article/today-daniel-craig-officially-becomes-second-longe-250638).

Let's think about this: Daniel Craig just beat Sean Connery for that spot.

Is this an early April Fools Day Joke? It's a well known fact (check Wikipedia, imdb.com or any serious Bond book like 'The World of 007') Sean Connery made 6 official Bond films from 1962 to 1971 (7 if you count the non EON-film 'Never Say Never Again' from 1983). Craig only appeared in 4 films. Brosnan played Bond from 1995 to 2002. I usually don't care but this was just too wrong and silly to go unnoticed.
A V Club needs to get their the facts straight.

suteki_da_ne0087
02-24-2017, 10:18 PM
Is this an early April Fools Day Joke? It's a well known fact (check Wikipedia, imdb.com or any serious Bond book like 'The World of 007') Sean Connery made 6 official Bond films from 1962 to 1971 (7 if you count the non EON-film 'Never Say Never Again' from 1983). Craig only appeared in 4 films. Brosnan played Bond from 1995 to 2002. I usually don't care but this was just too wrong and silly to go unnoticed.
A V Club needs to get their the facts straight.

This. So much this.

As soon as I saw the whole "Daniel Craig is now the 2nd longest serving Bond", I literally had to take a double-take.
http://i.imgur.com/IoEflg1.gif

I was going to add on to the original post as to how Twitter and big news outlets such as AV Club really need to check their facts. Then again, we're unsure of the fate of the Bond series, due to the mixed reception of "SPECTRE" and our current political climate. We're still unsure if Daniel Craig's signed up to play Bond again and at this point, he's currently 48 years old.

vzok
02-25-2017, 09:42 PM
Is this an early April Fools Day Joke? It's a well known fact (check Wikipedia, imdb.com or any serious Bond book like 'The World of 007') Sean Connery made 6 official Bond films from 1962 to 1971 (7 if you count the non EON-film 'Never Say Never Again' from 1983). Craig only appeared in 4 films. Brosnan played Bond from 1995 to 2002. I usually don't care but this was just too wrong and silly to go unnoticed.
A V Club needs to get their the facts straight.

It isn't wrong though, they are just choosing how they calculate it - from first appearance to last. Roger is on 12 years, Craig 9, Sean 9.

HunterTech
02-25-2017, 10:28 PM
It isn't wrong though, they are just choosing how they calculate it - from first appearance to last. Roger is on 12 years, Craig 9, Sean 9.

^^

:large

You have to remember that the amount of years it takes to make films count as well. Though it is indeed correct from the films only perspective that Connery beats both Brosnan and Craig. Still, both are valid.

vzok
02-26-2017, 12:27 AM
^^

:large

You have to remember that the amount of years it takes to make films count as well. Though it is indeed correct from the films only perspective that Connery beats both Brosnan and Craig. Still, both are valid.

How does Lazenby clock up that many days?

HunterTech
02-26-2017, 12:32 AM
I'm pretty sure there is an explanation (like how Connery did take a break for a film).

suteki_da_ne0087
02-26-2017, 12:50 AM
Nice chart! Now that makes sense! Thanks HunterTech!

http://imgur.com/DP2n9l9.gif

Anaximander
02-26-2017, 10:56 PM
If Spectre is his last, he's tied wth Connery, at least in my mind. If Craig returns for another film than he will be tied with Moore, most likely, as EoN plans for 2018 release for the next installment, which would put Craig at 12 years. Kind of sad that he'd have only made 5 in that many years. They really churned them out back in the day, whereas now, 3 to 4 year intervals are the norm. If you got a mediocre Bond in the "golden era," no matter! There'd be a new one 2 years later (exception being the 3 year gap between Golden Gun and TSWLM).

I don't really count days worked, since even during their off time, the actors were still contractually bound. I think of it like senators and congressmen, who only serve a certain number of days per year but are still considered senators and congressmen.


Also, I'm not sure if this is an urban myth, but I seem to remember reading that Bond actors at one point were not allowed to appear in a tuxedo in any non-Bond media gigs while contractually obligated to the franchise. Would be great if someone could confirm or debunk this.

Sean Barry
02-28-2017, 09:46 PM
^^

:large

You have to remember that the amount of years it takes to make films count as well. Though it is indeed correct from the films only perspective that Connery beats both Brosnan and Craig. Still, both are valid.

Fair enough. Another perspective is 'quality' or how a person defines 'quality'. I know some people won't agree, but to me a chart on what actor who has worked the longest as a fantasy figure like 007 James Bond is a bit pointless really.
All I care about is watching something worthwhile, special and unique that stands apart from the rest of the regular action films.

Bond films up until approx 1987 was that, but from 1989 everything gradually went downhill in my view.

What used to set The Bond films apart from other Spy/Secrect Agent stuff was that it never took it self too seriously. Sure, there was a cold war pretext and all that, but the unique thing about Bond movies was that 007 was so exaggerated in his dry wit, womanizing, use of unbelievable gadgets.
And the villains with their fantastic evil plots of world domination, the weapons, headqarters and henchmen/woman. Too over the top to be taken as "serious" action films. And you always knew how it was going to end.
Seriously? Where's the thrill in that?
Maybe it's the just me or is it because these unsure and unstable times, that so many of us need Bond as comfort? Something we know that feels safe?
I get philophical, I know, but that's me. Take it or leave it.

The only real value the Bond films has, for some of us nowadays, are to look for something about the state of manhood, sexuality and maybe, if we're lucky, some comments on the state of society and the world today.

Other than that it's getting more and more boring and tiresome for each film to be honest.

I'm sorry if I sound old and sour, but truth is I'm getting more and more convinced that time has come to move on.

I might stick around the series a while longer for sheer curiosity's sake that maybe somehow something surprising happens though, so 'Never Say Never Again' ;)

smyslov
02-28-2017, 11:07 PM
The "Days as James Bond" statistics actually refer to each actor's "reign" as James Bond. So it's NOT how many films, and NOT how long from first film until last (Dalton would be only around 700 days if it were, the two years between TLD and LTK), it's how long each actor was the OFFICIAL INCUMBENT of the role.

The reign as the incumbent James Bond runs from the day they are announced by EON as the new Bond until the day the next Bond is announced (so for example, Dalton's reign runs from his casting in 1986 until Brosnan's casting in 1994). Even if "Spectre" turns out to be Craig's last movie, he is still the current James Bond until his replacement is announced, and is continuing to rack up days on his total.

[And about the "no appearances in tux outside of Bond" business mentioned above; Pierce Brosnan said it's bollocks!]

chiops
03-01-2017, 05:21 AM
Even if "Spectre" turns out to be Craig's last movie, he is still the current James Bond until his replacement is announced, and is continuing to rack up days on his total.
Well, Craig isn't the current James Bond because his contract finished with Spectre surely. At the moment there is no actor playing James Bond until its been announced. Such gaps between contracts shouldn't be accounted for should they?

xavior_firestar
03-01-2017, 11:12 AM
It's heavily implied he's coming back.

Dlmeek
03-01-2017, 08:32 PM
And this is why I think number of films should be the standard for how long a Bond has served in the role. Connery has fewer years total but he is the only Bond to not take years off in between films (Dr. No through Thunderball were made over four years without a year in-between). Dalton gained five years because of a lawsuit against Eon Productions and did not even star in a final film as an end cap to his time in the mantle. This makes years in the role pretty much meaningless. I think number of films is the best way to go because it shows the actor's contribution to the role. Moore and Connery would be both tied at seven (totally counting NSNA), Brosnan and Craig at four, Dalton at two, and Lazenby at one. As much as I admire Craig's time in the role, he's only given us four movies in twice the time it took Brosnan to give us four. Considering two of Craig's movies were mediocre, I don't think an argument of "well his movies need more time to make more quality" is legitimate. Craig, you've had the role for a long time, I would like to have seen more Bond movies during that time...like maybe six...

In unrelated news, I can't wait for The Spy Who Loved Me to get posted. It would be amazing to have a proper version of Ride to Atlantis and Bond '77 without SFX!

Anaximander
03-01-2017, 11:38 PM
Fair enough. Another perspective is 'quality' or how a person defines 'quality'. I know some people won't agree, but to me a chart on what actor who has worked the longest as a fantasy figure like 007 James Bond is a bit pointless really.
All I care about is watching something worthwhile, special and unique that stands apart from the rest of the regular action films.

Bond films up until approx 1987 was that, but from 1989 everything gradually went downhill in my view.

What used to set The Bond films apart from other Spy/Secrect Agent stuff was that it never took it self too seriously. Sure, there was a cold war pretext and all that, but the unique thing about Bond movies was that 007 was so exaggerated in his dry wit, womanizing, use of unbelievable gadgets.
And the villains with their fantastic evil plots of world domination, the weapons, headqarters and henchmen/woman. Too over the top to be taken as "serious" action films. And you always knew how it was going to end.
Seriously? Where's the thrill in that?
Maybe it's the just me or is it because these unsure and unstable times, that so many of us need Bond as comfort? Something we know that feels safe?
I get philophical, I know, but that's me. Take it or leave it.

The only real value the Bond films has, for some of us nowadays, are to look for something about the state of manhood, sexuality and maybe, if we're lucky, some comments on the state of society and the world today.

Other than that it's getting more and more boring and tiresome for each film to be honest.

I'm sorry if I sound old and sour, but truth is I'm getting more and more convinced that time has come to move on.

I might stick around the series a while longer for sheer curiosity's sake that maybe somehow something surprising happens though, so 'Never Say Never Again' ;)

I agree. No reason to reinvent the wheel with a tried and true formula, especially in the Bond series, where there was never much emphasis on the arc or development. Sure the occasional slight deviation is fun, i.e. OHMSS and License to Kill, but even those followed a basic formula and Bond was Bond. I think now the producers have feminized him a bit too much. It's one thing to have him be complex and brooding a la Dalton, but another thing to cast aside the very masculinity that is central to the character's appeal.

I'm all for cinema evolving, but I tend to be more of a traditionalist when it comes to classic franchises like Bond and Star Wars. There's certain parameters that need to be in place, as Bond is essentially the McDonalds of action movies. People want what they want when they see a Bond film. I feel Craig has been a letdown overall and it's time for them to return to basics. Broccoli and Wilson need to step aside.


The "Days as James Bond" statistics actually refer to each actor's "reign" as James Bond. So it's NOT how many films, and NOT how long from first film until last (Dalton would be only around 700 days if it were, the two years between TLD and LTK), it's how long each actor was the OFFICIAL INCUMBENT of the role.

The reign as the incumbent James Bond runs from the day they are announced by EON as the new Bond until the day the next Bond is announced (so for example, Dalton's reign runs from his casting in 1986 until Brosnan's casting in 1994). Even if "Spectre" turns out to be Craig's last movie, he is still the current James Bond until his replacement is announced, and is continuing to rack up days on his total.

[And about the "no appearances in tux outside of Bond" business mentioned above; Pierce Brosnan said it's bollocks!]

I've never seen official confirmation of that myth. It wouldn't surprise me if this sort of clause were in the contract back in the days of Connery and Lazenby when the producers seemed to practically own the actors, but IIRC, didn't Moore appear in tuxedo in Cannonball Run, whilst still contracted as Bond?

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I find Cracked equal parts amusing and infuriating

http://www.cracked.com/article_21534_7-disturbing-scenes-that-prove-james-bond-psychopath.html

tooheen
03-02-2017, 10:23 AM
Hello everyone. Any word on the next update??

suteki_da_ne0087
03-02-2017, 08:00 PM
It's one thing to have him be complex and brooding a la Dalton, but another thing to cast aside the very masculinity that is central to the character's appeal.

This. Absolutely this.

I really want Bond to just go back to basics and not to be overly feminized. I think this is to appeal to the female filmgoers or the politically correct generation who just wants to romanticize a suave and charming hero like Bond, but if they go back to the Fleming novels, the early Connery films, Moore's "The Man with the Golden Gun" or that scene where Dalton's Bond forcefully tore a woman's clothes off in order to use her as a decoy to distract a bad guy in "The Living Daylights", they'll be disappointed. Granted, we can't have this Bond now, especially considering who's leading the US right now (which is one of the bigger problems EON is facing as to how to make a current Bond movie now in terms of how Bond Villain he is and the infamous hot tape that leaked...the list goes on).

This goes way back to GoldenEye, a film where you have Moneypenny talking about sexual harassment in the workplace or Judi Dench's M saying how Bond is sexist. EON really wanted to keep up with the changing times. (on top of that, the Cold War ended and Bond was seen as a relic of the past, so EON had to strategically get Bond to the current changing times.)

To keep it brief, I want a Fleming Bond a la Dalton, but I highly highly doubt we'll see this soon.

----


Hello everyone. Any word on the next update??

I'm curious about this too (since I'm excited about which ones will be posted next), but like all good things, we have to be patient. :)

Sean Barry
03-02-2017, 08:59 PM
I agree. No reason to reinvent the wheel with a tried and true formula, especially in the Bond series, where there was never much emphasis on the arc or development. Sure the occasional slight deviation is fun, i.e. OHMSS and License to Kill, but even those followed a basic formula and Bond was Bond. I think now the producers have feminized him a bit too much. It's one thing to have him be complex and brooding a la Dalton, but another thing to cast aside the very masculinity that is central to the character's appeal.


I'm all for cinema evolving, but I tend to be more of a traditionalist when it comes to classic franchises like Bond and Star Wars. There's certain parameters that need to be in place, as Bond is essentially the McDonalds of action movies. People want what they want when they see a Bond film. I feel Craig has been a letdown overall and it's time for them to return to basics. Broccoli and Wilson need to step aside.




My point was I'm tired of Bond as a pop cultural phenomenon. The McDonalds comparison is valid though. Fast junkfood sweetned and drained of real nutriotion to keep you satisfied for a short while. Until you realize it makes you empty and sick and longing for something more worth while food for thought.
It only makes me feel empty and shallow. So frankly I couldn't care less. The world and times as a whole have moved on wether we like it or not. Let's face it: The 60's, 70's, 80's, 1990's and 2000's are gone. Times change, people change. Deal with it.

Barry's music on the other hand is timeless and so good it stands alone. I wouldn't say the same about George Martin's, Monty Norman's and Bill Conti's scores, but they at least add something personal and I listen to them sometimes.

Brosnan, Haggis, Arnold and Craig was the last straw for me.

I don't expect you to agree with me, but that's how it is for me

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Hello everyone. Any word on the next update??

Was wondering the same!

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I really want Bond to just go back to basics.

This goes way back to GoldenEye, a film where you have Moneypenny talking about sexual harassment in the workplace or Judi Dench's M saying how Bond is sexist. EON really wanted to keep up with the changing times. (on top of that, the Cold War ended and Bond was seen as a relic of the past, so EON had to strategically get Bond to the current changing times.)

To keep it brief, I want a Fleming Bond a la Dalton, but I highly highly doubt we'll see this soon

Funny. The only thing I liked about Craig's portrayal was how how he dared to show a more vulnurable, vain, "feminine" side to the Bond character. Pretty brave and refreshing move by him and, I suspect, Paul Haggis imo.

suteki_da_ne0087
03-05-2017, 02:15 AM
Barry's music on the other hand is timeless and so good it stands alone. I wouldn't say the same about George Martin's, Monty Norman's and Bill Conti's scores, but they at least add something personal and I listen to them sometimes.

This is like me, except when it comes to Barry, I really don't listen to "Majesty's" or "Golden Gun" that much in my iTunes rotation. There are some gems, though that makes it worth listening on both. I listen to "The Living Daylights", "Octopussy", "Diamonds Are Forever" and "A View To A Kill" a lot more. "You Only Live Twice" also has gorgeous music that I love to listen to a lot (especially "Capsule In Space". Barry can work wonders with gorgeous space music. Same goes for "Moonraker" with "Flight Into Space" and the "Space Lazer [sic] Battle".)

George Martin, Monty Norman, Bill Conti, Marvin Hamlisch, Michael Kamen, Thomas Newman, Eric Sera and David Arnold are one of those scores I can't stay they're timeless as well, but they've added something different to the franchise. Bill Conti's one of my favorite Bond composers and his score for "For Your Eyes Only" grew to me. Marvin Hamlisch has his moments and I can hear why it was nominated for the 1978 Oscars for Best Score (despite what's heard on the film is different from the soundtrack, as the soundtrack is a re-recording with some cues that aren't even in the movie, such as "Anya"). Thomas Newman is.....okay (I know I'm going to be killed for that). I like some bits, especially when Bond enters the Casino and you hear the "Skyfall" theme. Loved his work on "SPECTRE".

Eric Sera, I know I'm going to sound controversial here, but I love his score for "GoldenEye", especially John Altman's tank cue.

Michael Kamen's the one that I really lean towards indifferent. It's not a score that has grown on me, though I do love the "Gunbarrel". I think it's one of those scores that work best with the film, not on its own, I think. (I don't know how to describe the feeling.)

David Arnold on the other hand, I love "Tomorrow Never Dies", "Casino Royale" and "The World Is Not Enough". That's about it.

DAKoftheOTA
03-05-2017, 02:44 AM
Eric Sera, I know I'm going to sound controversial here, but I love his score for "GoldenEye", especially John Altman's tank cue.

Nothing controversial about that. GoldenEye is my favorite Bond score.

Phildvd
03-05-2017, 04:12 PM
Thank you this is an awesome thread love bond music

Sean Barry
03-06-2017, 04:31 PM
Thank you this is an awesome thread love bond music

The music, yes...How are things going with that Kafara? I for one is very interested in what you're going to come up with for the rarities-compilation, if that's still on? Been a long while since we heard from you...:/

gtmunn
03-07-2017, 03:13 AM
This. Absolutely this.

I really want Bond to just go back to basics and not to be overly feminized. I think this is to appeal to the female filmgoers or the politically correct generation who just wants to romanticize a suave and charming hero like Bond, but if they go back to the Fleming novels, the early Connery films, Moore's "The Man with the Golden Gun" or that scene where Dalton's Bond forcefully tore a woman's clothes off in order to use her as a decoy to distract a bad guy in "The Living Daylights", they'll be disappointed. Granted, we can't have this Bond now, especially considering who's leading the US right now (which is one of the bigger problems EON is facing as to how to make a current Bond movie now in terms of how Bond Villain he is and the infamous hot tape that leaked...the list goes on).

This goes way back to GoldenEye, a film where you have Moneypenny talking about sexual harassment in the workplace or Judi Dench's M saying how Bond is sexist. EON really wanted to keep up with the changing times. (on top of that, the Cold War ended and Bond was seen as a relic of the past, so EON had to strategically get Bond to the current changing times.)

To keep it brief, I want a Fleming Bond a la Dalton, but I highly highly doubt we'll see this soon.

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I'm curious about this too (since I'm excited about which ones will be posted next), but like all good things, we have to be patient. :)


It'll be a shame if Bond continues to turn into a pale shade of Fleming's original creation - all in the name of political correctness.
The Goldeneye examples you shared were well executed because Bond stayed to form and faced criticism for it. One hopes EON would spring back to this approach.

Additionally, there are many more real life Bond villains that are far more interesting in today's age - exhibiting less buffoonery in favor of more sinister methods.
Glimpses this past year of a world shadow government, the increasing control of information by the powerful, and an increasing number of undermined regimes these past years by the CIA and similar agencies create an atmosphere suitable for the world of Fleming's Bond. Albeit, these topics are unlikely to make their way to the Silver Screen.

I enjoy your posts, suteki_da_ne0087.

solo04
03-07-2017, 05:47 AM
I agree whole heartly, Bond it too much of a wimp today!! But I still find myself going to see him, thinking that one day they will go back the basics.

turlaach
03-07-2017, 04:58 PM
This is a great set, thank you.

I for one think they should now re-adapt the novels in the appropriate period setting rather than the modern day.

vzok
03-11-2017, 09:48 PM
Does anyone have the short cue from AVATK where General Gogol confronts zorin at the race track . I think it is called "physiological freak"? I spotted it on a
track-list some time back.

This one would have sound fx over the end of it.


Also does anyone have and can add the short cue as well when Bond and his assistant are going in their car heading towards Zorin's huge Estate? And can add this as well? hgohari73

This one would have sound fx all over it I'm afraid.

miniaturo
03-11-2017, 10:04 PM
I think the mission impossible saga with tom cruise its showing how it should be done to Bond. Ive had more fun watching the rogue nation movie than watching any daniel craig bond. I know critics rave about sam mendes movies, but he took away one of the greatest things Bond movies had: playfulness and silly entertainment

Lets be honest, Im a big bond fan, but the bond series is made for people who want to live that lifestyle vicariously, with the hot women, the danger, the thrill and the incredible scenarios. It was never a mature action movie for intellectuals, it was a silly wank fantasy thart overgrown babies like myself immensely enjoy. I personally dont remember almost anything about any of the daniel craig movies, I find him and the movies completely forgettable, and the worst thing, I didnt have any fun watching any of them.

its time to either go back to basics or completely reinvent the character

Anaximander
03-13-2017, 01:57 PM
I think the mission impossible saga with tom cruise its showing how it should be done to Bond. Ive had more fun watching the rogue nation movie than watching any daniel craig bond. I know critics rave about sam mendes movies, but he took away one of the greatest things Bond movies had: playfulness and silly entertainment

THANK YOU. I couldn't agree more on the bolded. Even the Dalton Bonds had that playfullness, albeit toned down considerably. Yet I find lines and moments in License to Kill that still arouse a chuckle from me. This series was never intended to take itself too seriously. There was always a bit of self-awareness and self parody. And Mendes, while a really talented director, doesn't seem to understand or care for that.

This is why I'm not always sure an auteur is the best fit for the 007 series. Maybe someone like Spielberg could've done it in his younger days, as he brought a similar sense of fun and self parody to the Indiana Jones series, but Mendes is just too serious and his preferred tone doesn't work for this series.

mtjs
03-13-2017, 09:18 PM
I know critics rave about sam mendes movies, but he took away one of the greatest things Bond movies had: playfulness and silly entertainment

Personally, while I'd hesitate to say Spectre is a film built on playful and silly entertainment, I'd definitely say it has its fair share of playful and silly entertainment.

Skyfall, clearly not. But Quantum of Solace wasn't dissimilar to it.

Sean Barry
03-13-2017, 11:34 PM
THANK YOU. I couldn't agree more on the bolded. Even the Dalton Bonds had that playfullness, albeit toned down considerably. Yet I find lines and moments in License to Kill that still arouse a chuckle from me. This series was never intended to take itself too seriously. There was always a bit of self-awareness and self parody. And Mendes, while a really talented director, doesn't seem to understand or care for that.

This is why I'm not always sure an auteur is the best fit for the 007 series. Maybe someone like Spielberg could've done it in his younger days, as he brought a similar sense of fun and self parody to the Indiana Jones series, but Mendes is just too serious and his preferred tone doesn't work for this series.

Not sure Spielberg would have fit, but interesting thought anyhow. Thanks a lot for the rest. Couldn't have put it better myself!

smyslov
03-14-2017, 12:58 AM
I know critics rave about sam mendes movies, but he took away one of the greatest things Bond movies had: playfulness and silly entertainment

Falling through a collapsing building and landing neatly on a comfy sofa isn't playful and silly? Roger Moore would have given his best cigar for a gag like that!

miniaturo
03-14-2017, 02:38 AM
Spielberg would've been an awesome bond director

Ive always thought the bond series was great at several things: bond girls (with very few exceptions, they've always been very hot), music (eric serra aside), gadgets, exotique scenarios, silliness and a few other things, but picking directors was not its forte IMO. Spielberg would've been a perfect fit. Mendes wasnt. not disputing his quality as a filmmaker, but all this praise for his action sequences and I'm not in love with them, I dont remember them. I just dont think he was the ideal suit for a series that required a self deprecating macho approach with a firm handling of the action scenes.

Im on the fence about craig too, not sure if the blame should go to the script, filmmaker or if he should also take some of the criticism. He seems so effin serious, but I admit, I find roger moores bond hilarious and admirable. He did have the macho approach like connery, but he wasnt a bully, and hes far wittier than connery, very suave too. connery is the most imposing of all the bonds, and Im sure the most attractive for females, but Moore, dalton and brosnam were for me the most likeable, particularly moore and dalton. Brosnam was in the best bond movies in my opinion, despite perhaps not being the best bond, some of those were genuinely terrific action movies, thats why I felt such a breaking when after those brosnam movies we were treated to such a serious approach. Sure it had its funny moments here and there, or rather, it tried to, but it felt contrived, and it wasnt the general tone of the movie, like octopussy (not a very good example, that one is perhaps too much tongue in cheek, but bond movies were never serious, and the few that were, were the worse)

Sean Barry
03-18-2017, 11:45 AM
A few people have asked about my adding extra albums (video game scores, compilations, etc.). I will be adding some extra Bond-related material, including a full album of rare/rarely heard music from the series. More news to come later.

It's been almost 2, 5 months since your latest post. Are you still alive?

suteki_da_ne0087
03-28-2017, 04:24 AM
Looks like someone had time on their hands because I've discovered a fan-made video of someone syncing Barry's music to "GoldenEye".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-0VT9TSes8

How about that? Mixing Barry's score for "The Specialist" with the gunbarrel to "The Living Daylights". (at least to my ears because "The Living Daylights" is my favorite Bond score, period and I listen to that on repeat because it's that good)

I love Eric Serra's score, but for a fan to put in Barry is a "what-if" kind of situation had Barry returned to actually make his Swan Song for the franchise right before David Arnold took over for the rest of Brosnan's run. However, I think "The Living Daylights" was his Swan Song for the franchise. He packed a lot of energy, heart (ironic, considering the frozen heart in the film) and soul into that score. I don't blame him for not wanting to do "GoldenEye".

This is one great fan edit and I applaud the person who did this.

Sean Barry
03-28-2017, 09:30 PM
Another fan who likes to score...;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8w1IFCCJTM

Memorabilia
03-28-2017, 10:54 PM
Another fan who likes to score...;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8w1IFCCJTM

I'm interested in the music of gunbarrel
Where can you find?

Msolo
03-28-2017, 11:59 PM
Youtube is a good place to find the gun barrels. I rip a lot of music from there because I am a completest.

Memorabilia
03-29-2017, 12:29 AM
Youtube is a good place to find the gun barrels. I rip a lot of music from there because I am a completest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUi351nK_G0

I need for my gunbarrel.
I would find this music in full, but do not know who the author ;)

timeras
03-29-2017, 01:51 AM
I think the mission impossible saga with tom cruise its showing how it should be done to Bond. Ive had more fun watching the rogue nation movie than watching any daniel craig bond. I know critics rave about sam mendes movies, but he took away one of the greatest things Bond movies had: playfulness and silly entertainment

Lets be honest, Im a big bond fan, but the bond series is made for people who want to live that lifestyle vicariously, with the hot women, the danger, the thrill and the incredible scenarios. It was never a mature action movie for intellectuals, it was a silly wank fantasy thart overgrown babies like myself immensely enjoy. I personally dont remember almost anything about any of the daniel craig movies, I find him and the movies completely forgettable, and the worst thing, I didnt have any fun watching any of them.

On the nose!! Exactly right!!


its time to either go back to basics or completely reinvent the character

That's how we got in this mess in the first place, going back to "basics" and "reinventing"...

xavior_firestar
04-01-2017, 06:11 AM
It's an edited version of the James Bond theme John Barry recorded in 1972 for the album "The Concert: John Barry." It's part of a long 14 minute suite. It's actually the first time Barry did that orchestral arrangement of the theme synonymous with the Roger Moore Bond films.

Anaximander
04-07-2017, 03:06 AM
The concert John Barry is a phenomenal album. That 'gunbarrel' arrangement is very similar to the version in moonraker whereas the version in TMWTGG seems to blend the concert version with the earlier 60s version's persussive elements. The 80s versions are descended from the concert version but seem a little more full of life; that said there's a nice reverb from the live recording that isn't really present on the film versions of the gunbarrel music. I think moonraker is my favorite arrangement of the gunbarrel music, overall, followed by OHMSS as a close second with the daring use of early analog synthesizers.

that album also features an interesting arrangement of Midnight Cowboy that can't be heard elsewhere, as it seems later recordings hewed closer to the original soundtrack version. And a nice version of Mary Queen of Scots, a theme that wouldn't be out of place as a Bond love theme.

Sean Barry
04-10-2017, 09:05 PM
Best cover of Goldfinger I've heard:https://youtu.be/r3UVMglELpU

OOSTEVEN
04-11-2017, 09:04 AM
Best cover of Goldfinger I've heard:https://youtu.be/r3UVMglELpU

Great! Also an interesting rendition: https://open.spotify.com/track/2Hu3OXEw4l5wVNmp31e8F0 :-)

Sean Barry
04-11-2017, 08:36 PM
Great! Also an interesting rendition: https://open.spotify.com/track/2Hu3OXEw4l5wVNmp31e8F0 :-)

Thanks! Can't get the link to work. What artist does the rendition?

OOSTEVEN
04-13-2017, 09:19 AM
The artist is Dirk Blanchart, a Belgian pop/rock pioneer... He covered Goldfinger for his 1995 album Mindsurfin'. https://itunes.apple.com/lu/album/mindsurfin/id692543389

Bates1960
04-14-2017, 08:50 AM
Could You Upload The Remaining Bond Films In Expanded Series MP3

Sean Barry
04-15-2017, 10:21 AM
The artist is Dirk Blanchart, a Belgian pop/rock pioneer... He covered Goldfinger for his 1995 album Mindsurfin'. https://itunes.apple.com/lu/album/mindsurfin/id692543389

Ok, sounds cool. The link is restricted to Luxemburg. Do you know if I can download the song from a safe source somewhere?

suteki_da_ne0087
04-15-2017, 09:25 PM
While not a favorite character of the Roger Moore era, though I know a few that likes the character, Sergeant J. W. Pepper was very memorable in the only two Roger Moore movies. Clifton James will be missed.

http://comicbook.com/movies/2017/04/15/james-bond-clifton-james-obituary/

Anaximander
04-29-2017, 08:03 PM
Much respect. I never understood why the hell a southern good old boy would choose Southeast Asia as a vacation destination but I find his presence amusing in Golden Gun, it adds to the bizarreness of that film. I always thought he was a good fit for Moore era Bond

Sean Barry
05-01-2017, 10:40 PM
Much respect. I never understood why the hell a southern good old boy would choose Southeast Asia as a vacation destination but I find his presence amusing in Golden Gun, it adds to the bizarreness of that film. I always thought he was a good fit for Moore era Bond

Yes. Lines like "Wee-ha! I've never done that before!" and "Neither did I" between James and Moore are what I remember most from Golden Gun. We need more good humour and weirdness in the Bond movies imho. And music. I'm looking at YOU Kafaraq, hehe ;)

suteki_da_ne0087
05-04-2017, 07:03 PM
This reminds me that one of my guilty pleasure Bond films is "Moonraker". Yes, it's silly and it's "The Spy Who Loved Me" but with space and not underwater, but it's fun. What makes this movie worth it is Ken Adam's set design, John Barry's score and Shirley Bassey's title song.

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Also, who's going to see that Hulu biopic on George Lazenby called "Becoming Bond"? It looks hilarious! You have to feel bad for the man though because while he's stiff in the role, he has his moments (especially at the end). He's right there with Dalton as Bond (though Dalton has *years* of acting experience, both on stage and screen, before landing the role of Bond 30 years ago compared to Lazenby.), they both never got their feet wet with another film to show their full potential as Bond and they're literally a footnote in Bond history. (in Dalton's case and we all know that if a Bond actor does a third film, it's better than their other two and who knows if Dalton's third film could rival that of the great "Licence to Kill"? With Lazenby, who knows if "Diamonds Are Forever" would be dark and not Roger Moore era-esque with it's humor? We'll never know...)

Vertigo2016
05-04-2017, 07:17 PM
Much respect. I never understood why the hell a southern good old boy would choose Southeast Asia as a vacation destination but I find his presence amusing in Golden Gun, it adds to the bizarreness of that film. I always thought he was a good fit for Moore era Bond

What I love is the fact that the southern good ole' boy goes on vacation to Southeast Asia and then spends part of his time shopping for a new car at the AMC showroom.

Sean Barry
05-08-2017, 09:50 PM
...we all know that if a Bond actor does a third film, it's better than their other two...

No, we don't ALL think so, no. I agree with you on Lazenby being stiff due to acting inexperience, though.

suteki_da_ne0087
05-10-2017, 03:41 AM
No, we don't ALL think so, no.

*gasp*! That means you don't love "Goldfinger", "The Spy Who Loved Me", "The World Is Not Enough" and "Skyfall". I'm kidding! :D To each their own. :)

"Goldfinger", "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Skyfall" are the good ones, though, again, to each their own. I know some who've felt that "Skyfall" is too overrated and that Thomas Newman's score for that film wasn't their favorite. I personally felt that "The World Is Not Enough" is underrated, though it has its faults but still manages to be entertaining with a good mix of story (especially the twists), action and silly good fun all around.


I agree with you on Lazenby being stiff due to acting inexperience, though.

http://i.imgur.com/pGjBH12.gif

Sean Barry
05-11-2017, 04:57 PM
*gasp*! That means you don't love "Goldfinger", "The Spy Who Loved Me", "The World Is Not Enough" and "Skyfall". I'm kidding! :D To each their own. :)

"Goldfinger", "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Skyfall" are the good ones, though, again, to each their own. I know some who've felt that "Skyfall" is too overrated and that Thomas Newman's score for that film wasn't their favorite. I personally felt that "The World Is Not Enough" is underrated, though it has its faults but still manages to be entertaining with a good mix of story (especially the twists), action and silly good fun all around.



http://i.imgur.com/pGjBH12.gif

Haha! Yeah, I hate 'em. No, I'm kidding too. I just haven't watched them for a long long while...;)
I'm one of those boring fundamentalist conservative purists who dislikes everything except Barry's, Martin's and Conti's scores ;P

Let's put it this way: 'OHMSS' and 'FYEO' and maybe 'TLD' fits better than the ones you mentioned, for where I'm at in life now. Like you mentioned: To each etc. :)

Ps Your movie clip says it all >_<

Anaximander
05-12-2017, 12:00 AM
This reminds me that one of my guilty pleasure Bond films is "Moonraker". Yes, it's silly and it's "The Spy Who Loved Me" but with space and not underwater, but it's fun. What makes this movie worth it is Ken Adam's set design, John Barry's score and Shirley Bassey's title song.

There's a certain haziness and beauty to that film, and while I can objectively recognize it as highly flawed, it stands as one of my favorites and possibly my favorite Moore era film. Technically FYEO is Moore's best Bond, but it falls flat for me, and I think TSWLM, Moonraker, and Octopussy are the definitve Moore trium


Also, who's going to see that Hulu biopic on George Lazenby called "Becoming Bond"? It looks hilarious! You have to feel bad for the man though because while he's stiff in the role, he has his moments (especially at the end). He's right there with Dalton as Bond (though Dalton has *years* of acting experience, both on stage and screen, before landing the role of Bond 30 years ago compared to Lazenby.), they both never got their feet wet with another film to show their full potential as Bond and they're literally a footnote in Bond history. (in Dalton's case and we all know that if a Bond actor does a third film, it's better than their other two and who knows if Dalton's third film could rival that of the great "Licence to Kill"? With Lazenby, who knows if "Diamonds Are Forever" would be dark and not Roger Moore era-esque with it's humor? We'll never know...)

I wasn't aware of the Lazenby documentary but I'd like to see it. I hope it does him some justice. I've always felt he is too unfairly treated and had he not been a moron and instead signed a contract for 6 or 7 films, he would've grown as an actor and been the second coming of connery. Suppose Connery was canned after Dr. No. Does anyone think he'd be as highly regarded? He'd probably be remembered as that rough, cold blooded Scot. We forget he didn't really become the Bond we remember him as until Goldfinger, where the coldbloodedness was toned down and he became a more tongue in cheek playboy.

I have no doubt Dalton would've been more highly regarded had he been given the chance to do a third and fourth film. I think Goldeneye was initially written before the producers were sure he wasn't returning, so the tone is somewhat more like a Dalton style than the other Brosnans which feel like a hybrid of the best elements of Connery and Moore. Dalton's Goldeneye with a Barry score is my dream.


What I love is the fact that the southern good ole' boy goes on vacation to Southeast Asia and then spends part of his time shopping for a new car at the AMC showroom.

I always wondered how he intended to get the car shipped home and why it wouldn't be more convenient to shop for one in the states. I think the trip was his wife's idea. He was just killing time with a reminder of the good ol' US of A


*gasp*! That means you don't love "Goldfinger", "The Spy Who Loved Me", "The World Is Not Enough" and "Skyfall". I'm kidding! :D To each their own. :)

"Goldfinger", "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Skyfall" are the good ones, though, again, to each their own. I know some who've felt that "Skyfall" is too overrated and that Thomas Newman's score for that film wasn't their favorite. I personally felt that "The World Is Not Enough" is underrated, though it has its faults but still manages to be entertaining with a good mix of story (especially the twists), action and silly good fun all around.



http://i.imgur.com/pGjBH12.gif

I go back and forth on my favorites. I used to think Goldfinger was definitive but I recently gave thunderball another chance (I never liked that one) and found myself enjoying it more. Sure it's where the series started to stretch credibility and gadgetry outweighed story, but it has a certain charm and it feels like a real event. I've also never been super fond of Spy (it's a middling film in the series, not terrible, not stellar, on par with Tomorrow Never Dies, in my opinion), I think the girl, main villain, and disco-tinged score ruin it for me. I will take Goodhead, Drax and Barry over Stromberg, Anya and Hamlisch any day.

I like Newman as a Bond composer but I would like to see Arnold or a new composer given a shot. Arnold was just getting interesting with QoS


Haha! Yeah, I hate 'em. No, I'm kidding too. I just haven't watched them for a long long while...;)
I'm one of those boring fundamentalist conservative purists who dislikes everything except Barry's, Martin's and Conti's scores ;P

Let's put it this way: 'OHMSS' and 'FYEO' and maybe 'TLD' fits better than the ones you mentioned, for where I'm at in life now. Like you mentioned: To each etc. :)

Ps Your movie clip says it all >_<

I dig Martin but I think Conti was a terrible fit. A great example of how disco ruined a lot of great things.

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This Die Another Day retrospective more or less sums up my thoughts on Brosnan

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/die-another-day/37190/james-bond-007-revisiting-die-another-day


Pierce Brosnan will always be the 'what if' Bond. What if his tenure had built on Goldeneye rather than fallen away from it? What if he was gifted a script such as Licence To Kill or Casino Royale, the two films that came immediately before and after him? What if Pierce was placed, just once, at the centre of proceedings; rather than playing second fiddle to cars, action and gadgets. Pierce made one much loved film, Goldeneye - but every other Bond made a better one. Considering the talent of the man that’s a sobering thought.

But there exist many caveats. Brosnan carried his films in a way no other Bond has had to do. With a weak Bond, none of his films, including Goldeneye, are strong enough to work regardless - in the way On Her Majesty’s Secret Service transcends the game but miscast George Lazenby. Meanwhile both Dalton and Moore required scripts that played to their very different strengths. In some ways Brosnan was too good a fit. The writers could shun Bond the character and focus on the fripperies because they knew Brosnan would shine regardless. Perhaps this is merely the fanboy talking…

But while it’s easy to scorn all the whizzbang in the cold light of Craig, remember that Craig only exists due to Brosnan. All four of his films were huge box office - giving the franchise the creative freedom to experiment with Casino Royale. If Casino Royale failed, well, back we go to the gadgets. But if Goldeneye failed, after a six year hiatus, after the commercial and critical failure of Dalton (posterity has been kind to Timothy, rightly, but it wasn’t always thus), nearly 30 years since the last genuine blockbuster that was The Spy Who Loved Me, if the first post-Cold War Bond fell flat on its arse - well, the future would have looked pretty bleak.

I couldn't agree more that his potential was wasted, his talent squandered. But he also saved the series. I think he's unfairly regarded by some because he made 2 middling films and one awful film, but he did his best with what he was given to work with. I feel similarly about Moore. Great actor who could hit the dramatic high notes, but the producers and Moore himself ruined it by insisting on upping the humor factor with double taking pidgeons and stupid sight gags that felt like leftovers from a Pink Panther film or Cannonball Run. Bond humor should be subtle and edgy, not smacking the viewer over the head with slapstick and lowbrow fuckery.

recons
05-12-2017, 08:40 AM
There's a version of Die Another Day "out there" (called "Beyond The Ice", if memory serves) that removes all the unnecessary nonsense from the movie (such as the invisible car) and renders it a much more satisfying and less cringeworthy experience. Has anyone else seen it?

Sean Barry
05-17-2017, 07:08 PM
There's a version of Die Another Day "out there" (called "Beyond The Ice", if memory serves) that removes all the unnecessary nonsense from the movie (such as the invisible car) and renders it a much more satisfying and less cringeworthy experience. Has anyone else seen it?

To remove all nonsense from that one you have to burn all existing copies and original reels ;)

Haven't but I've seen and heard this:https://youtu.be/JZA7I9RZPQM

recons
05-18-2017, 07:15 AM
To remove all nonsense from that one you have to burn all existing copies and original reels ;)

Haven't but I've seen and heard this:https://youtu.be/JZA7I9RZPQM

That is creepily frightening!

OOSTEVEN
05-18-2017, 09:38 AM
R.I.P. Chris Cornell

http://news.sky.com/story/soundgarden-rocker-chris-cornell-dead-at-52-10882437

Maybe an atypic choice as a theme song composer for a Bond movie, nonetheless "You know my name" was the perfect song for Casino Royale and its boost and resurrection of the Bond film series...

Iamtommie44
05-18-2017, 01:30 PM
I always thought that You Know My Name was als beautiful used in de score. No ither song would have fitted in that score and movie.
R.I.P. Chris Cornell

suteki_da_ne0087
05-18-2017, 05:11 PM
I really loved that Bond theme. Both the theme and the film really revived the franchise after "Die Another Day" nearly killed Bond. (definitely not a way to start a major anniversary of a franchise with a bang. "Skyfall" did much better on that aspect, both in the theme song and the film itself and so did "The Living Daylights" as well.)

RIP Chris Cornell. He'll be missed.

Sean Barry
05-21-2017, 12:31 PM
That is creepily frightening!

What is creepily frightening?

Anaximander
05-21-2017, 08:08 PM
There's a version of Die Another Day "out there" (called "Beyond The Ice", if memory serves) that removes all the unnecessary nonsense from the movie (such as the invisible car) and renders it a much more satisfying and less cringeworthy experience. Has anyone else seen it?

I don't think it's a terrible film. I think the first half or so is decent and feels more like a serious Bond film (similar to Moonraker leading up to that ridiculous Venice boat chase). I think it goes off the rails right around the point of Madonna's cameo. The producers were trying to top everything that had come before because it was the 40th anniversary AND the 20th film, when they could've made a more serious film that would have both allowed Brosnan to exit on a high note and been worthy of the anniversary spectacle. I think Brosnan does a really great job with the script he was given, it's just not strong material. I understand the buffet feeling they were going for in trying to capture elements of each previous film, but it makes for an uneven film with no identity. It's an anomaly in the franchise, but not a good anomaly like OHMSS, which at least had a distinct and unified tone.

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Does anyone else feel "The Living Daylights" is a criminally underrated title song? I think it's in the top 5.

suteki_da_ne0087
05-21-2017, 09:09 PM
Does anyone else feel "The Living Daylights" is a criminally underrated title song? I think it's in the top 5.

I do, as it's one of my favorite title songs from the film. The film itself is underrated too.

While I won't hold my breath, I do hope there's something special for the 30th anniversary of that film. (that and the 40th anniversary of "The Spy Who Loved Me" and the 55th anniversary of the franchise as a whole. Yes, there's also the 15th anniversary of "Die Another Day", the 50th anniversary of "You Only Live Twice" and the 20th anniversary of "Tomorrow Never Dies" to consider as well)

rocklegend
05-21-2017, 10:02 PM
*gasp*! That means you don't love "Goldfinger", "The Spy Who Loved Me", "The World Is Not Enough" and "Skyfall". I'm kidding! :D To each their own. :)

"Goldfinger", "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Skyfall" are the good ones, though, again, to each their own. I know some who've felt that "Skyfall" is too overrated and that Thomas Newman's score for that film wasn't their favorite. I personally felt that "The World Is Not Enough" is underrated, though it has its faults but still manages to be entertaining with a good mix of story (especially the twists), action and silly good fun all around.



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Me personally Skyfall is half a good movie... the first half, the second half just becomes a Dark Knight wannabe with Silva�s plot just becoming nonsense and full of coincidences. Thomas Newmans score annoyed the hell out of me at first but now I love it.... alot better than his Spectre score

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I don't think it's a terrible film. I think the first half or so is decent and feels more like a serious Bond film (similar to Moonraker leading up to that ridiculous Venice boat chase). I think it goes off the rails right around the point of Madonna's cameo. The producers were trying to top everything that had come before because it was the 40th anniversary AND the 20th film, when they could've made a more serious film that would have both allowed Brosnan to exit on a high note and been worthy of the anniversary spectacle. I think Brosnan does a really great job with the script he was given, it's just not strong material. I understand the buffet feeling they were going for in trying to capture elements of each previous film, but it makes for an uneven film with no identity. It's an anomaly in the franchise, but not a good anomaly like OHMSS, which at least had a distinct and unified tone.

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Does anyone else feel "The Living Daylights" is a criminally underrated title song? I think it's in the top 5.

The mess that is Die Another Day lays firmly at the feet of the director...The original script was awesome... gritty....... based on the Moonraker novel...... EON should�ve reigned him in but he just went nuts and let him do whatever he wanted....... like speed ramping, shitty CGI... He tried to Michael Bay a bond movie..... Pierce Brosnan is my favourite Bond hands down...... The best no but he�s my Bond

Sean Barry
05-22-2017, 07:07 PM
I do, as it's one of my favorite title songs from the film. The film itself is underrated too.

While I won't hold my breath, I do hope there's something special for the 30th anniversary of that film. (that and the 40th anniversary of "The Spy Who Loved Me" and the 55th anniversary of the franchise as a whole. Yes, there's also the 15th anniversary of "Die Another Day", the 50th anniversary of "You Only Live Twice" and the 20th anniversary of "Tomorrow Never Dies" to consider as well)

Agreed. A bit uneven imho though. On the plusside: The last John Barry soundtrack and good chemistry between D'Abo and Dalton. Good support from Rhys Davies and Malik. Funny and exciting stunts.

Minuses: Weak villains. Necros aside. His line "Help him or I kill you both" makes me laugh for the wrong reason, if you know what I mean?

As for the anniversaries: Who knows? But I won't hold mine either.

mikafu
05-22-2017, 08:18 PM
I do, as it's one of my favorite title songs from the film. The film itself is underrated too.

While I won't hold my breath, I do hope there's something special for the 30th anniversary of that film. (that and the 40th anniversary of "The Spy Who Loved Me" and the 55th anniversary of the franchise as a whole. Yes, there's also the 15th anniversary of "Die Another Day", the 50th anniversary of "You Only Live Twice" and the 20th anniversary of "Tomorrow Never Dies" to consider as well)

And the 5th Anniversary of "Skyfall".;)

comicsatemybrain
05-23-2017, 02:46 PM
RIP Roger Moore (http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/23/entertainment/roger-moore-dies/index.html) :-(

Anaximander
05-23-2017, 03:38 PM
:( The first Bond I saw was A View to a Kill. In some ways he was the original Bond to me.[COLOR="Silver"]

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Shit...this is the first Bond actor we've lost...

jonnyalucard
05-23-2017, 03:52 PM
I was born in '67 so grew up with Sir Roger as the Saint on TV and my generations Bond. Absolutely gutted.

cd13
05-23-2017, 04:13 PM
RIP Sir Roger Moore and Chris Cornell. Thank you for the uploads. Much appreciated.

kywik44
05-23-2017, 04:13 PM
The first Bond I saw at 7 years old was "The Spy Who Loved Me". I discovered myself a real passion for the James Bond character even if I was terrified when I saw Jaws for the first time.

It was the beginning of a real passion for James Bond (the characters, the girls, the movies, the soundtracks etc...).

Even though Sean Connery will remain for many the eternal James Bond, for me it will remain Roger Moore.

Thanks you for everything Mr Moore.

RIP. :'(

suteki_da_ne0087
05-23-2017, 04:13 PM
:(

Not since Carrie Fisher that I am deeply gutted by this. He's done a lot for this world, not just as Simon Templar or James Bond. He was a very loving and giving man who've helped countless of children via UNICEF. He is a true saint.

GreatKenji
05-23-2017, 08:26 PM
R.l.P. Roger Moore, his Bond films were the first I saw and made me feel more interested on the character and the franchise... My favourite two films starring him are The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker... I got to see them now.

tooheen
05-24-2017, 03:39 AM
RIP Sir Roger Moore aka James Bond. Very sad to hear it. His was the first Bond movies I saw. KFG, please upload his remaining Bond scores soon. Thank you.