I think maybe because we're all trying to play songs at once, it can't keep up? I'm having the same problems with the TFOAC albums. I guess we'll just have to wait... =-O O:] =)

It's a great stress test for their new site and server :)
lol

It's a great stress test for their new site and server :)
lol

Yeah, and I'll hope it will pass =) Still, it's a great way to listen to their tracks. I like the quality of the songs as well.

people are naive ... it was so obvious that this would happen

anyway great new site.

LOL,
This is funny: http://www.immediatemusic.com/msov4/help_abstract.cfm
I wonder from which song these are the lyrics :)

:laugh: Licenturion
This page is funny. Thank for the help section, it enlightened me ^^
Anyway the site is great, and huh... thanks for the full library in 320k :D
For your debate about wich album is the best/the worst, i think it's only a matter of taste. Here is my vote:
The best album ever is Nemesis. Just a little under (almost the same quality) we have Dynasty, and then i think it's TFOAC2, then TFOAC3 and TFOAC1. And then we have the Platinum Series, etc, etc.

^^
Yeah all those albums you name are great. It's just a matter of taste :)
But Immediate Music has a slight advantage for me since they use 'live percussion'. TSFH seems to use a lot of elektronic percussion in their latest albums and that detracts a bit from the orchestral experience for me sometimes...

Okay I figured out the problem with the IM site. A lot of the songs have punctuation that makes the song title different than the actual file name or the track had too long a file name that got automatically truncated by the server. The web player however looks for the full file name as given in the list, so if the actual file name on the server is different it can't find it. All the files are actually there, but sometimes it takes some guesswork and fooling around with the direct links before you can actually find the file.

Okay I figured out the problem with the IM site. A lot of the songs have punctuation that makes the song title different than the actual file name or the track had too long a file name that got automatically truncated by the server. The web player however looks for the full file name as given in the list, so if the actual file name on the server is different it can't find it. All the files are actually there, but sometimes it takes some guesswork and fooling around with the direct links before you can actually find the file.

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Okay I figured out the problem with the IM site. A lot of the songs have punctuation that makes the song title different than the actual file name or the track had too long a file name that got automatically truncated by the server. The web player however looks for the full file name as given in the list, so if the actual file name on the server is different it can't find it. All the files are actually there, but sometimes it takes some guesswork and fooling around with the direct links before you can actually find the file.

(*baffled by the technobable*):

but this is something IM can fix as well, right?? Because I think it's a lot of work to change these names each time I want to listen to 1 song. (I don't like guesswork, ok? O:] =) ), so can't they just rename the files on the server??, because the error seems to be in a lot albums.. =-O

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Thanks licenturion, I had already posted this message before I read your new post, I understand now...most of it =) By the way, what's the html code for "#"??? (As in [name song] Drums #2)

Thanks licenturion, I had already posted this message before I read your new post, I understand now...most of it =) By the way, what's the html code for "#"??? (As in [name song] Drums #2)

Normally it's %23
But you don't need the HTML code for that Just use: DRUMS%20#1.mp3

IT helpdesk @ your service LOL :)

you really had to go further... some people just don't know when it's enough

you really had to go further... some people just don't know when it's enough

look, I just wanted some advice to listen to the music, because I can't do that with the flash-player. If IM's flash player and IM's website isn't functioning properly, than that isn't my fault, bro.

look, I just wanted some advice to listen to the music, because I can't do that with the flash-player. If IM's flash player and IM's website isn't functioning properly, than that isn't my fault, bro.

use a pm for that

The site raises another question for Vanton. Why are different tracks on the same CD's published by different companies?

They are different writers who have different publishing companies, thats the basic answer, the in depth one will need 2 pages ;-)

Does anyone here know what trailer music is this promo clip of 24 Season 5 from

24: Season 5 - Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm7zwALnCrs&feature=related)

24: Season 5 - Trailer 3 (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/24-season-5-teaser/2619264573)

anyone know the music playing in this trailer ?
Star Wars The Force Unleashed World Exclusive Trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/38410.html)
Thx in advance. =D

Awesome Trailer~!

anyone know the music playing in this trailer ?
Star Wars The Force Unleashed World Exclusive Trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/38410.html)
Thx in advance. =D

"Mutilated (SD)" by Epic Score

Good Job, Rid3rsCr3w , I find it later than you..

Well since I mentioned 'IT helpdesk @ your service', my private messagebox got flooded with the same question over and over again (68 messages in the past 12 hours) I'll post this in public...



Many people experiencing download problems with a few songs on the new Immediate Music website. Immediate Music has a few songs where the filenames don't correspond with the values stored in their counterpoint MusicSource database system. When the song does not stream, it can't be downloaded yet unless you start guesswork for the correct filename. They will hopefully fix this soon since I guess the site is in beta stadium. Most problems seem indeed to occur when there are special characters in the filenames like quotes, #, commas, ...

Feel free to download all the songs you can get from their own website, however I will not upload the missing or non working songs! Be glad with the great new system the great guys at Immediate made possible for their clients and us. A few songs missing at this moment won't kill you :)

The more common "solutions" are:
- removing special character
- removing ", The"
- adding the ", The" (!)
- substituting ", The" with ",The" (note the missing space)
- paying attention to numbering (some are shifted by two)

...and a stunt I pulled once with success: change the order of ", The" and "NC" :) (+ a different spelling in one case)

"Mutilated (SD)" by Epic Score
Many thx !!! but on what album plz !

EDIT : nvm, its on Pounding Percussion 2.

The Immediate Music Library is great!

Does anyone here know what trailer music these promo clips of 24 Season 5 are from?

24: Season 5 - Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm7zwALnCrs&feature=related)

24: Season 5 - Trailer 3 (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/24-season-5-teaser/2619264573)

The main choral song in the second trailer is Doom Service from Media Venture's Epic Choral album. And I know I have the song from the first trailer but I can't remember what it is.

BTW, can other people still successfully listen to the IM library through their web player? It worked for me on Saturday but suddenly stopped actually streaming songs yesterday, though I can still access the files through their direct links. I also noticed it says on IM's website that fans won't be given access to the online catalogue. Did they implement some security that stops the web player from working now?

It still works for me.

The more common "solutions" are:
- removing special character
- removing ", The"
- adding the ", The" (!)
- substituting ", The" with ",The" (note the missing space)
- paying attention to numbering (some are shifted by two)

...and a stunt I pulled once with success: change the order of ", The" and "NC" :) (+ a different spelling in one case)

I think none of them works for Global Crisis and Fate Of The World :-(

I think none of them works for Global Crisis and Fate Of The World :-(

For "Fate of the World (NCV)" remove the V. I can't figure out the Global Crisis ones either though.

For "Fate of the World (NCV)" remove the V. I can't figure out the Global Crisis ones either though.

Thanks, putting the "(NC)" also fixes some others that were missing it. Now, for the first CD, I just have to figure out Global Crisis, Sargon's Legions and To Places Never Imagined =)

For "Sargon's Legions" you just need to make it "Legion" instead.

Edit: Well I just got lucky with "To Places Never Imagined". It's "To Place Never Imagined (NC)"

Could you upload the song to trailer 2 of "24"

do u know the name/title for "The Panicked Room #1" on Action Drama 5 ???

do u know the name/title for "The Panicked Room #1" on Action Drama 5 ???

I'm having a hard time with this too. Tried all of the possible combinations I can think of.

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I'm working with another guy at downloading all of TFOC3 from the IM site, and these are the only ones we haven't figured out yet. Can anyone help?

IMTOC03A TRACK 16/17/18/19 Global Crisis Pt1 / Global Crisis Pt1 NC / Global Crisis Pt2 / Global Crisis Pt2 NC

IMTOC03B TRACK 15 "Mythos Female Voice Solo"

IMTOC03C TRACK 05 "Call to Valor, A (NCV)"

IMTOC03C TRACK 19 "Night at the Mausoleum"

IMTOC03C TRACK 21 "Daddy's Gotta Brand New Tail"

IMTOC03C TRACK 23 "Unfortunate Circumstances"

Unbelievable thing!

Could someone give me the links to...

Director's Cuts:
Epic Choral
Epic Adventure

Epic Score:
Your Destiny is Coming.MP3

Nightmare Before Christmas Trailer Music - John Beal

PS: I'm looking for the musics used in these Trailers

Simpsons Movie - Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLnqZqQ1eW0&feature=related)

Simpsons Movie - Trailer 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEoU6FEYIyA)

South Park Movie - Epic Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLnqZqQ1eW0&feature=related)

anyone has the correct title for "Waking Up In Pleasonton"? Having a hard time with that one...

These two seem like they should be simple, but I can't figure them out. Any help would be appreciated.

TFOAC3B 22 Brave Shall Rise, The

TFOAC3C 01 Mystery of the Ages

These two seem like they should be simple, but I can't figure them out. Any help would be appreciated.

TFOAC3B 22 Brave Shall Rise, The

TFOAC3C 01 Mystery of the Ages

Yeah, thought they were easy too... found out the other way :'(

Mystery of the Ages is just "Mystery of the".

Not sure about the other one, but I think we have it. I'd recommend trying "The Brave Shall Rise".

Mystery of the Ages is just "Mystery of the".

Not sure about the other one, but I think we have it. I'd recommend trying "The Brave Shall Rise".

Debatelord: you happen to know IMTOC03C: 17 Waking up in Pleasanton? O:]

Thanks for "Mystery". For the other one, "The Brave Shall Rise" was my first guess. There's a "The Brave Shall Rise NC" that works, but the choral one doesn't.

Edit: Glenn, like several of the others you need to add "(NC)" to the end. It's "Waking Up In Pleasonton (NC)"

Edit: Glenn, like several of the others you need to add "(NC)" to the end. It's "Waking Up In Pleasonton (NC)"

Thanks Alastor for your help ;-)
I may sound a little bit stupid now: How exactly do I add that to the HTML link? Because when I do %20NC at the end, it still tells me that it does not exist...

Thanks for your help

EDIT: never mind, got it working, thank you so much, Alastor!

There's actually no need for the %20's. So after the track number, in this case 17, just add the title exactly. Again, in this case, "Waking Up In Pleasonton (NC)" (don't forget the parentheses).

Oh, and don't forget the ".mp3" at the end. ;-)

Could someone give me the links to...

Director's Cuts:
Epic Choral
Epic Adventure

Epic Score:
Your Destiny is Coming.MP3

Nightmare Before Christmas Trailer Music - John Beal

PS: I'm looking for the musics used in these Trailers

Simpsons Movie - Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLnqZqQ1eW0&feature=related)

Simpsons Movie - Trailer 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEoU6FEYIyA)

Batman: SubZero Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk0PHXX9fXs)

"Down Periscope Trailer" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Mx1kA3irk)

Thanks,
Music-Man

There's actually no need for the %20's. So after the track number, in this case 17, just add the title exactly. Again, in this case, "Waking Up In Pleasonton (NC)" (don't forget the parentheses).

Oh, and don't forget the ".mp3" at the end. ;-)

I totally get this HTML-thing now, thanks ;-)

So far acces to the songs doesn't seem to have been denied, but a message has come up:



Note from MUSICSOURCE:

This online music search page is for production use only. Fans of Immediate Music or Globus will not be granted access, but you can purchase this music by visiting our store at IMPERATIVA RECORDS.

Clients of Immediate Music may LOGIN and begin searching our catalog.

So far acces to the songs doesn't seem to have been denied, but a message has come up:

Sad... thought this was a pretty good solution IM had come up with... They only need to hide the tracks more deeper into their server core, if they want to keep their music "exclusive"...

On behalf of IM I hope they "hide" the source tracks better, but keep the acces to the songs on line! :-)

"Mutilated (SD)" by Epic Score
Does anyone know in which other trailers this piece of music has been used? Or does anyone know a website where I can search for trailer usage by track title (so not soundtrack.net/trailers)

Because I love this track and I'm sure that I've heard it somewhere before...

Does anyone know in which other trailers this piece of music has been used? Or does anyone know a website where I can search for trailer usage by track title (so not soundtrack.net/trailers)

Because I love this track and I'm sure that I've heard it somewhere before...

I don't know in which other trailers it has been used, but I do know that you can listen to it at http://www.apmmusic.com/myapm/main.php, select "Libraries & Cover Art > epic score".

Hmm didn't know there were a Youth Oriented 4 and 5 from Immediate Music.

Can't get War Games

already tried:
IMTOC03A_13 WAR GAMES (NCV).mp3
IMTOC03A_13 WAR GAMES (NC).mp3
IMTOC03A_13 WAR GAMES (NCV).mp3
IMTOC03A_13 WAR GAMES (NC).mp3
IMTOC03A_13 WAR GAMES NC.mp3
IMTOC03A_13 WAR GAMES NCV.mp3
IMTOC03A_13 WAR GAMES.mp3
IMTOC03A_13 WAR GAMES NC.mp3
IMTOC03A_13 WAR GAMES NCV.mp3

Almost every variaton...

13 really is an EVIL number. :')

Edit: Oh I got it to work... xD

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So far acces to the songs doesn't seem to have been denied, but a message has come up:

I gave you a few days guys, just to see the frenzy.

Thanks for being our hack testers.

It will be fixed.... wonder if someone will get fired?

Sharing music isn't just about hosting sites, its about this as well.

I actually give up with you guys.

See ya, no more nice stuff, totally dissappointed in you all.

My colleagues said this would happen and II was wrong

I gave you a few days guys, just to see the frenzy.

Thanks for being our hack testers.

It will be fixed.... wonder if someone will get fired?

Sharing music isn't just about hosting sites, its about this as well.

I actually give up with you guys.

See ya, no more nice stuff, totally dissappointed in you all.

My colleagues said this would happen and II was wrong

Vanton, I have to say that I am surprised with this, and what happened with the IM site.

I never expected you to put full quality access to songs on your website. I believed someone made a mistake. If that was the case, I wonder if someone will get fired as well. It seemed a huge error to allow access to your library for the general public, especially with the release of Trailerhead.

You should not be surprised that people started to download the songs from your site. It is everyone's mentality that if it can be listened to on the internet legally, then it can be downloaded legally, and listened to. If you want to put a library on the internet, and don't want people to download it, you have to put some sort of security behind it, or else there's nothing to stop people. If IM made a mistake by allowing public access at first, then that is unfortunate for you. However, I don't feel that you can blame anyone for listening to the music, or downloading it for that matter.

You call it hacking, but I don't really consider it that. Call me crazy, but if you allow the ability to listen to music on the internet for free, downloading the files to listen to without getting on the internet is really no different. If a sound file starts to play on a website that I visit, that file is downloaded to my computer. Why can't I take that file and save it? I can find nothing illegal about that.

Trying to figure out the correct file names on the server; that is hacking. I would agree with you there. Access to those files was not granted.

Well Vanton, you don't honestly think you could throw us a bone this big and expect us not to bite do you? You can't blame us for trying. Did you really think you could put the entire IM library online in 320k mp3s and have fans NOT download it?

Yet in spite of that, I still mean all that I said in my last post to you. Even if your entire library (minus a few tracks with bad file names) is now online, I and hopefully everyone else here would still gladly buy all of it if given the opportunity via a plan like I mentioned above. If you're willing, I would still like to hear your thoughts on such a business model.

Why not just put demos of each disc freely listenable to everyone like on TSFH's website ??? The idea of hosting a complete library online was not a smart move (no offense though).


You call it hacking, but I don't really consider it that. Call me crazy, but if you allow the ability to listen to music on the internet for free, downloading the files to listen to without getting on the internet is really no different. If a sound file starts to play on a website that I visit, that file is downloaded to my computer. Why can't I take that file and save it? I can find nothing illegal about that.
+1 !

Vanton, I have to say that I am surprised with this, and what happened with the IM site.

I never expected you to put full quality access to songs on your website. I believed someone made a mistake. If that was the case, I wonder if someone will get fired as well. It seemed a huge error to allow access to your library for the general public, especially with the release of Trailerhead.

You should not be surprised that people started to download the songs from your site. It is everyone's mentality that if it can be listened to on the internet legally, then it can be downloaded legally, and listened to. If you want to put a library on the internet, and don't want people to download it, you have to put some sort of security behind it, or else there's nothing to stop people. If IM made a mistake by allowing public access at first, then that is unfortunate for you. However, I don't feel that you can blame anyone for listening to the music, or downloading it for that matter.

You call it hacking, but I don't really consider it that. Call me crazy, but if you allow the ability to listen to music on the internet for free, downloading the files to listen to without getting on the internet is really no different. If a sound file starts to play on a website that I visit, that file is downloaded to my computer. Why can't I take that file and save it? I can find nothing illegal about that.

Trying to figure out the correct file names on the server; that is hacking. I would agree with you there. Access to those files was not granted.

the listening portion of the site is flash, yes someone made a mistake, I found out a day or so ago.

My point is theis forum agreed not to share, that to me, means not to share, end of.

Anyway its academic now

Trying to figure out the correct file names on the server; that is hacking. I would agree with you there. Access to those files was not granted.
I would disagree with that actually. Technically that is a technique called link hacking, which is very different than actual hacking, especially in this case. Normally for something to be considered hacking you would have to defeat some kind of security system. So if you broke into a directory protected by an .htaccess file by brute forcing the password, that would be hacking. In this case, we simply figured out what directory the files that did work were coming from, deduced IM's file naming scheme, and managed to guess the filenames of the "broken" tracks. And these broken tracks were inaccessible not through any intentional security measures but because of a flaw in the web player that was looking for the wrong file names, which had somehow gotten changed in the process of uploading them to the server. Nothing in what we did would be legally considered hacking. If it's available with no security on the public internet, it's fair game.

BTW Vanton, even if the listening portion was Flash, there are any number of programs or Firefox plugins that can snag the original media file a flash plugin points to. Flash media is the most insecure type of media player in existence.

On the old website, IM had its library up too, only in low quality, which is (I think) the best compromise between Fans and IM that's possible. Would love to see TFSH to put up something like that in the future...

But I do agree with JP Perdition's idea of a CD-wise demo, that allows fans to listen to the music, but also industry professionals to "know" on what album the tracks they've heard in the demo is on, without going through the entire library... Which I know is a real pain in the ass-job... especially with a very large catalogue...

By the way, looks like IM is fixing its site right now... Somehow I do think a system administrator wil get his ass fired..

I would disagree with that actually. Technically that is a technique called link hacking, which is very different than actual hacking, especially in this case. Normally for something to be considered hacking you would have to defeat some kind of security system. So if you broke into a directory protected by an .htaccess file by brute forcing the password, that would be hacking. In this case, we simply figured out what directory the files that did work were coming from, deduced IM's file naming scheme, and managed to guess the filenames of the "broken" tracks. And these broken tracks were inaccessible not through any intentional security measures but because of a flaw in the web player that was looking for the wrong file names, which had somehow gotten changed in the process of uploading them to the server. Nothing in what we did would be legally considered hacking. If it's available with no security on the public internet, it's fair game.

BTW Vanton, even if the listening portion was Flash, there are any number of programs or Firefox plugins that can snag the original media file a flash plugin points to. Flash media is the most insecure type of media player in existence.

Come on debatelord ... the fact that it was in flash should say that its not intended for you to download, end of. YOU HAD TO SEARCH A LITTLE

To hide behind fair game is bollocks and you know it. Especially seeing some of your comments on other boards, maybe you should change your user name and your password ..... its fair game you know!

I will now say one thing.... You are all now warned... anymore that we see anywhere on any board will attract legal sanctions.

I really tried to explain our difficulties and you all screwed up.

I was told it was a waste of time talking to you all and I have no defence.

Goodbye

the listening portion of the site is flash, yes someone made a mistake, I found out a day or so ago.

My point is theis forum agreed not to share, that to me, means not to share, end of.

Anyway its academic now

The old site had low quality files for public listening purposes.
This new site, for a time, had high quality files for public listening. I was expecting this kind of music access, though I never expected such high quality. As this was the case, even I was unsure of whether it would stay like this.

We all agreed to not share your music, when it was illegally obtained. We never agreed not to "share" your music if you gave it to us.

Sorry vanton, but it seems someone made a giant error in web-design. Whoever did that, is the only person to blame for what happened. Even that may be harsh. What happened was unfortunate, but no one should be surprised.

And I take back the word hacking. I'm sure you are right that it was still "legal" to find broken links. However, of everything that happened, I'll accept vanton's anger over that.



I was told it was a waste of time talking to you all and I have no defence.

Goodbye

I'm sorry you feel that way. I enjoyed our discussions, and I thought they were important. Thanks for your time on this board, and thanks for Trailerhead.

hmmm i feel quite bad for the programmer guy or the team (programming was part of my college's technic, mistakes often happen in programming). Dont blame, just act. Fix it. Then stop talking about it.

However, of everything that happened, I'll accept vanton's anger over that.

Thinking of it, Vanton is right in a way...

We, the ones who agreed not to share & download IM's music anymore, screwed up by not resisting the huge temptation... Guess we should've listened to the Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want" more closely...

But that's what you get when you have fans; they'll always try to get what they want.

hmmm i feel quite bad for the programmer guy or the team (programming was part of my college's technic, mistakes often happen in programming). Dont blame, just act. Fix it. Then stop talking about it.


I'm work in network security and software development as well. This is not the fault of bad programming. It's the fault of the tester. Before the web company puts something online it must be tested tremendeously. Besides I don't understand why a tester overlooks such big error. Rights management is the first thing that always should be tested before anything else. If a tester on my team would overlooked such a big issue before going in production he would be out of a job...

I'm work in network security and software development as well. This is not the fault of bad programming. It's the fault of the tester. Before the web company puts something online it must be tested tremendeously. Besides I don't understand why a tester overlooks such big error. Rights management is the first thing that always should be tested before anything else. If a tester on my team would overlooked such a big issue before going in production he would be out of a job...
good point !

I'm work in network security and software development as well. This is not the fault of bad programming. It's the fault of the tester. Before the web company puts something online it must be tested tremendeously. Besides I don't understand why a tester overlooks such big error. Rights management is the first thing that always should be tested before anything else...

We were the test subjects.

Vanton thought a library with acces for everyone would work, with only the abbility to listen to the tracks. Now we began talking about downloading songs and fixing bad links.

There isn't really an error in this case.

We were the test subjects.

Vanton thought a library with acces for everyone would work, with only the abbility to listen to the tracks. Now we began talking about downloading songs and fixing bad links.

Probably, but maybe in some way, he also underestimated the power of the fans and their ability to download songs from a Flash-based website.

Because even if THIS forum promised not to download the songs, there would be (other forums with) other fans who would have found out about the (lack of) security on the website and started to download the music. It's wrong that he comes to this forum and accuses us of some sort of "betrayal", while, if WE wouldn't have downloaded the songs, other people would have.

While I'm also sad that this library system had to go, it's wrong to just blame US...

Vanton, it was a mistake for putting the files online, especially high-quality. You should have known beforehand that this would happen. I'm slightly disappointed with IM in that regard, but mistakes happen.

To everyone else, everyone that made a post in the last few pages, you clearly have shown why you do not deserve this music. If the public release CD was after today, I doubt Immediate would even want to release it. I think you guys don't understand a lot of things, and you only see it from your own perspective, really.

Any business talk you guys have is purely foolish, especially if your not involved in this industry. I think now, you can forget about other public releases. I wouldn't want to release anything to these kinds of people. Just my opinion.

@LGGuy16

Yep, basic rule in IT: if you put something online even if it's secured it can be accesed one way or another if no encryption algorythems are applied on the files themselves. So if you don't want people to get something, just don't put it online.

I know people who know nothing about computers but are ripping YouTube videos, MySpace tracks, recording playable streams to MP3, and doing this 'find the link' games... Strange thing is that the basic things they SHOULD know about a computer are a complete mystery for them :p

I will now say one thing.... You are all now warned... anymore that we see anywhere on any board will attract legal sanctions.
Vanton, while you are perfectly right to be angry, legal threats won't do any good at this point. Nobody here has done anything illegal. As far as I know, nobody even posted direct links to the files--just the correct file names. There's certainly nothing illegal about that. Granted it was foolish to talk about it here, but also inevitable and you could have easily figured out that people were downloading the files from your server logs. Lashing out at us won't solve anything.

So, it is now revealed that the ability to access music on the Immediate Music site, was a mistake.

While there was no way for anyone to know that at the time, it should have raised questions with everyone. I know I was surprised at this move, and if anyone had thought about it, it doesn't make sense. Why would Immediate Music put music on their website for free, if they want people to buy Trailerhead?

Now the site will be fixed, and things will be back to normal. But what is normal? Should we all agree to not share the music that was just given to us by mistake? The answer to that question is yes. But will each of us actually follow through with that promise?

The truth is, the answer to that question doesn't matter. In my opinion, it never has mattered.

I know that the trading of Immediate Music continues. However, this is not something that can be stopped, except by legal action. But even this trading does not obviously hurt Immediate Music. There are some things that do though:

1: Using Immediate Music songs in YouTube videos, or other productions on the web, or other media.
2: Not buying Immediate Music merchandise because you have the songs already; obtained illegally (or legally over the past few days).

The accidental access to music Immediate Music provided cannot be undone. To be realistic, the sharing of trailer music can never be stopped. How can we show at least some respect to the trailer companies? How can we show some respect to the composers? We love their music. Don't they at least deserve something in return?

I ask everyone to do two things. If you are a fan of Immediate Music do not use their music in YouTube videos, or other productions. If you are a real fan, buy the items Immediate Music provides to its fans. Buy Trailerhead, buy the DVD, and buy Epicon.

I am not asking fans to stop sharing music. I know that is impossible. I am asking fans to show their support of Immediate Music in the only way we can.

We were the test subjects.

Vanton thought a library with acces for everyone would work, with only the abbility to listen to the tracks. Now we began talking about downloading songs and fixing bad links.

It is utterly naive to believe music can be for listening only, especially if it is in high quality and coming to your home or office. Because even if there is absolutely no way to download or save the stream, it can always be recorded. Even mediocre hardware will still leave acceptable results if a stream is recorded via analog output (dat-recorder, minidisc, etc.) and re-digitalized. If people can listen to music, they can keep it, full stop.

It is time for producers to re-think their way of thinking. They have to stop acting like Taliban and accept a simple fact: Their products make people happy and they can earn money if they sell their stuff without any restrictions for the people who want it. That's what I call a win-win situation. Everything else will simply not work, as can be seen anywhere on the net.

And Vanton, I don't think anyone betrayed you by downloading some of the TOC3 songs. There is no harm done, because only a few fans have it now and will enjoy private listening. Save your time and energy for fighting the youtube-scene that really harms your company by wearing out your music. We are not your enemies!

By the way. Entering open directories is legally not considered as hacking since legally 'open directories' are part of the publicly accesible part of a website...

I don't know if people remember the Reuters 'hacking' incident that happend a while ago. That was the same issue

Article (http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/wire/2002/10/28/reuters/index.html)

I ask everyone to do two things. If you are a fan of Immediate Music do not use their music in YouTube videos, or other productions. If you are a real fan, buy the items Immediate Music provides to its fans. Buy Trailerhead, buy the DVD, and buy Epicon.

I am not asking fans to stop sharing music. I know that is impossible. I am asking fans to show their support of Immediate Music in the only way we can.
+1
Amen to that :)

Like I said, it was obvious this would happen ...

looks like people were really naive enough to think they're allowed to get everything now..

well... I think it was naive as well to hope people would use their brains for both Immediate Music's AND their own interests but ok ...

As far as our decision whether or not to download it, it's a classic prisoner's dilemma. The ideal situation for everyone might be nobody downloading. But individuals know that if they don't download, other people will, achieving the same net result of the tracks being taken down, but with no individual benefit to them. Logical conclusion--everyone downloads.

Like I said, it was obvious this would happen ...

looks like people were really naive enough to think they're allowed to get everything now..

well... I think it was naive as well to hope people would use their brains for both Immediate Music's AND their own interests but ok ...

Could you please stop talking like you know everything best and like you're some enlightened being!
Not too long ago you were asking for (re-)uploads of albums from various trailer companies, including Immediate Music!

As far as our decision whether or not to download it, it's a classic prisoner's dilemma. The ideal situation for everyone might be nobody downloading. But individuals know that if they don't download, other people will, achieving the same net result of the tracks being taken down, but with no individual benefit to them. Logical conclusion--everyone downloads.

First of all, I cannot remember anyone on this board agreed not to download (correct me if I'm wrong), just to not share trailer music in public. That's a promise I made to tjb and that's a promise I'll keep, nothing more and nothing less!

When I saw IM's new website I thought someone finally woke up and started seeing things clearly, but IM disappointed me when Vanton started complaining about people downloading from the open database.

I think they should just fix the broken links and make the site accessible again, and they will see no harm would come to them!

Because, to be honest, nobody cares for an open IM database! Only a few fans who would get the music anyway, because someday everthing leaks. So why make such a fuss about it? IM is not Madonna and the general public couldn't care less, most people I know cannot understand why I like this music, they don't even ask me to copy it to them! Hardcore fans will still buy the albums if they are sold (like trailerhead) because it is always better to have a CD and all the others won't care anyway. Wake up now!

First of all, I cannot remember anyone on this board agreed not to download (correct me if I'm wrong), just to not share trailer music in public. That's a promise I made to tjb and that's a promise I'll keep, nothing more and nothing less!

When I saw IM's new website I thought someone finally woke up and started seeing things clearly, but IM disappointed me when Vanton started complaining about people downloading from the open database.

I think they should just fix the broken links and make the site accessible again, and they will see no harm would come to them!

Because, to be honest, nobody cares for an open IM database! Only a few fans who would get the music anyway, because someday everthing leaks. So why make such a fuss about it? IM is not Madonna and the general public couldn't care less, most people I know cannot understand why I like this music, they don't even ask me to copy it to them! Hardcore fans will still buy the albums if they are sold (like trailerhead) because it is always better to have a CD and all the others won't care anyway. Wake up now!

+1
Amen to that (too) :)

I agree with every line I've just read. I normally don't even show my music to other people (family for instance, and friends) because most of the time, when I try to explain what kind of music I listen to, they think it's like classical music (*ugh* :(!). If major production companies start downloading your music for free and use it without permission, then you can really start using your legal rights and sue their sorry asses. But a buncha fans are just gonna use the music for private usage; to listen to in private. No harm done to anyone!

nobody cares for an open IM database! Only a few fans who would get the music anyway, because someday everthing leaks. So why make such a fuss about it? IM is not Madonna and the general public couldn't care less, most people I know cannot understand why I like this music, they don't even ask me to copy it to them!

IM is the Madonna of Trailer Music, and as explained on this forum before, trailer music is VALUABLE. More VALUABLE than Madonna or some other pop idol. I've seen the "average" price that the MCPS/PRS has for use of production music in feature film trailers, which is �494 per 30 second unit... IM's Lacrimosa would be worth �3952 based on the MCPS rates, when you'd license the entire track...

Production music isn't Madonna, it's much more.

Yes. an open IM database would be fantastic for us, the fans just keen to listen to it... but there are people out there who want to use this music in their own productions. That's bad for the price of the music. So; if I were IM, it would be an easy decision: a closed library. That way you can secure your clients exclusive stuff, and you can save huge amounts of money on legal stuff.

That's just what I wanted to say about it.

Here's the answer to all questions:

Trailer Music isn't for you, 'nuff said so!

We must be happy trailermusic is published on CD for us to buy.

vanton, I'd like to say that I've downloaded the album from IM's website, but still bought the Trailerhead CD and Globus DVD (you can check for an order from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil). I'm not going to use your music on any public media, neither share with other people, it's just for private listening. I believe many in this forum have the same position.

However, something is not well explained. Weren't we supposed to be able to listen to the music on the website at all? Even if it were intended just for streaming, one could easily record the playing audio, so it wouldn't be any different at all than downloading the .mp3 files directly. In this case, we weren't notified that it was forbidden to listen to your music available on the website.

Thanks for your understanding.

Wow, it is kind of funny to see Vanton suddenly squirming like a little child.
But seriously, that's just stupid. Just because something is IN FLASH DOES NOT MAKE IT PROPRIETARY. Flash, ironically, was design for MORE interactivity.

The argument "You had to SEARCH A LITTLE" as reasoning that people here did equal hacking is pretty stupid as well.

Based from what I am understanding, I could of gotten those files by using a LEGAL software ON A LEGAL web browser and making two mouse clicks, that's not hacking. That's your IT department not understanding FLASH.

To everyone else who actually believe they are of any guilt and need to buy their CD now because of it. Legally, you did nothing wrong, hacking in most cases require MODIFICATION of code or software.

Could you please stop talking like you know everything best and like you're some enlightened being!


Don't get me wrong. I'm just disappointed how thoughless everyone was acting in this situation.

Why would you think you can suddenly get all this music for free that you were not allowed to have all the time before ?


Not too long ago you were asking for (re-)uploads of albums from various trailer companies, including Immediate Music!

Sure, I don't deny this fact. That's why I don't edit my posts.

I doubt you've understood my intentions..

I got a message from Vanton today, thought you guys should see:

Today, 03:58 PM
vanton
Grand Shriner

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 118


"oh yeh
I found your post very upsetting, who the fuck are you have you invested time effort and money into what you thought was a career? Have you fuck.

We are just trying to make an honest living and you shit heads discover a little flaw in the code and attack with greed and grab everything you can.

If our site was a store after a tornado you would be shot as a looter, how on earth do you justify what you do?

Try working for a living and not on theory as I've seen in your other posts, invest hard cash and see how you feel when some shitbag like you steals it all.

Squirm like a child? You watch ...."



Now, let me explain why I think your response(s) have been really comedic, it is because in my opinion Vanton has been a character who for the longest time played this "I am better than all you non-working (whatever)", so it becomes funny to me that this issue of your website came, obviously, from someone who did not understand the developments in web browers, of all the things, so suddenly for someone to reverse that role and start yelling is very ironic. And irony is funny, to me.

The person you should be angry at is whoever designed your web site USING flash. FLASH by itself is neither proprietary nor secure. In fact, most web designers try to avoid flash. It is normally stupidly over-used by big companies....hmmm.....

And once again, HACKING requires someone to modify the code of your web site, BEYOND "DOING A LITTLE SEARCHING". The only way that web site is being changed is by you guys.

But you know what, all this discussion is moot, you say you want to work in the practical then stop talking to everyone here as though they do not work for money, THAT's theoretical. Go talk to your legal counsel and when you can actively prove that Flash, by itself, is instantiated as proprietary then we can talk. And then argue what people did here, using a legal software for what it was designed for, as illegal. And here is the irony train once again, the only individual who was doing all this "sharing" all along was....your....website.

Another tip, dont splatter your argument with a bunch of cursing and rantings, it makes it ineffective.

Wow, it is kind of funny to see Vanton suddenly squirming like a little child.
But seriously, that's just stupid. Just because something is IN FLASH DOES NOT MAKE IT PROPRIETARY. Flash, ironically, was design for MORE interactivity.

The argument "You had to SEARCH A LITTLE" as reasoning that people here did equal hacking is pretty stupid as well.

Based from what I am understanding, I could of gotten those files by using a LEGAL software ON A LEGAL web browser and making two mouse clicks, that's not hacking. That's your IT department not understanding FLASH.

To everyone else who actually believe they are of any guilt and need to buy their CD now because of it. Legally, you did nothing wrong, hacking in most cases require MODIFICATION of code or software.

I think vanton just wants people to be honest.

Answering illegal sharing with "I'm sorry but it's just that I like this music so much" and acting like "hey I didn't know this, it's not my fault. I did not do anything forbidden" when it "gets out" that it's still illegal, no matter if there's been a little accident, doesn't show much respect at all.

I think vanton just wants people to be honest.

Answering illegal sharing with "I'm sorry but it's just that I like this music so much" and acting like "hey I didn't know this, it's not my fault. I did not do anything forbidden" when it "gets out" that it's still illegal, no matter if there's been a little accident, doesn't show much respect at all.


Here is the thing, from what I understand, production music is not illegal to have. It is not a banned substance, however, sharing it is illegal, like most other kinds of proprietary music. And the truth this, I dont see anyone here who used a new web browser technology to grab the music as being illegal. (OMG Vanton, here it comes again) In THEORY, a person not using the web browser could just turn on the internal soundcard and record the stream.
In both cases, the only individual who was sharing....was the website.

On an interesting note:
Actually, I feel like I should seek legal counsel to whether I should have a case against vanton who "might be" representing IM who made derogatory, inflammatory, and slander comments toward me personally with no proof that I even have or am interested in "his" music.

I will keep everyone updated.....

Ha hahahaaaa...
What can I say ? I told you.... no use I suppose.

People will never change.

Anyway, Vanton, that "test" was hmm stupid.
Now, almost everyone here has full Immediate Music library.
The albums we are missing will be shared by mp.

I call that an Epic Fail :D
Auto leak xD

If that was a "test" then why fire someone ?
Was it a mistake so ?

That was obvious what would happen seriously...

Good job everyone :D


PS : Legal sanctions against people that sahre IM music lol...
You knew that we had acces to full library and waited a few days to do something.
Face the truth : IM leaked his own music.

Yeah, at this point the discussion is becoming kinda pointless.



If our site was a store after a tornado you would be shot as a looter, how on earth do you justify what you do?
And while "because we can" or "because it's not verbotten" or "because there is no harm in it" answers aren't probably the ones you're looking for, I must point out that the store analogy is TOTALLY out of a rat's ass, dammit!

Well, the rest of ad hominem part is not even worth mentioning.

To sum it all up:

1. IM made available an unsecured archive (then again - imagine someone who actually wasn't lectured to death about trailer companies not sharing their music with anyone... - what would he/she do after entering such a website and realizing the music's great and worth downloading?)

2. Some of the users (me including) participated in exploring the site to an extent that would satisfy our musical taste. The music was made available to us - by mistake maybe, by IM for sure... in the beginning I actually, just like kmb previously said, was rather considering it a new IM's way of promoting itself.

3. After realizing the mistake, the site is being secured... Everything will be back to normal (well, besides how some of us will think of one another)



Answering illegal sharing with "I'm sorry but it's just that I like this music so much"
Care to repeat that? ILLEGAL? It can be seen as exploiting a security hole, but as I said above - it was just accessing the resources published by their respectful owner. No sharing, no copying. Let's not mistake obeying the law with conforming to what some people want.

And while I must admit I was close to feeling a little guilty about the whole affair - the harsh accusations and blame shifting, when it was certainly not my resposibility to keep your servers sanitized, well... they aren't helping.

Anyone wants a screenshot, feel free to ask.

Hey could anyone post or give me a direct link to those files? Thanks !

What DRM do you use or would you use?


I'm work in network security and software development as well. This is not the fault of bad programming. It's the fault of the tester. Before the web company puts something online it must be tested tremendeously. Besides I don't understand why a tester overlooks such big error. Rights management is the first thing that always should be tested before anything else. If a tester on my team would overlooked such a big issue before going in production he would be out of a job...

Well well it's drama night it seems :)

All in all everything is way exaggerated in my opinion.
Why? Well just by the simple facts:
- of all the albums that were downloadable only 3 are of a quality worth downloading and that tis the TFOAC series. All the rest is IMO generic stuff and movie scores are much more enjoyable for pure orchestral mood music

- TFOAC1 + TFOAC2 have been leaked years ago in high quality to the general public. So again, no harm done.

- Even TFOAC3 has been leaked in high quality a few months ago. A few people shortly had it after it came out. But the album stayed between a small group of people

- If TFOAC3 hadn't been leaked on a larger scale this weekend with the site problems it would have probably leaked in the next few months/weeks

- The fact that you now use a digital platform with no user specific watermarks will lead to less fear among the 'sharing' producers since everyone downloads exactly the same MP3-file from the digital catalog thus increasing the leak risks potentially

So all in all the end results would have been the same with or without the site problem this weekend ...

One last thing: people, it's not because you now established easy acces to new trailer music material that you must apply a 'mother theresa' attitude against other less unfortunate people...

True, result is the same.

That was just faster, and bigger.

Now it's done, it's too late for complaining.

Site is back up, now I wonder what they are going to do with the Search & Download section.

What DRM do you use or would you use?

I'm not talking about DRM.
DRM is pass�. Record labels have finally seen that too. Consumers have been complaining for years now that they want to do what they want with their bought music files on their computer. That's why we have amazon MP3, iTunes Plus, and much more. Besides DRM can be removed too

I was referrering to fixing the directory rights on the file server. Putting a login page on the catalog will not help if you don't change the file and directory permissions! I dunno who 'solved' the problem this evening but he should be fired too, cause the problem isn't solved at all with bringing the IM site down or restoring the 'coming soon'. I can't believe that these problems are the work of REAL IT person cause the errors made is BASIC knowledge for anyone who knows a bit about computers...

Well you mention DRM in your post so I was curious what you meant. DRM really is more of a pain than anything else. The truth of the matter is, if it is available online for streaming. The content can be recorded and stored. Directory permissions and what the "IT department" does won't stop that at all.

There was no hacking going on here at all. It isn't like Kevin Mitnick was online here. It was just a bunch of link sharing. The decision is really whether IM wants to make things available online or not.

Hona Sainara !


I'm not talking about DRM.
DRM is pass�. Record labels have finally seen that too. Consumers have been complaining for years now that they want to do what they want with their bought music files on their computer. That's why we have amazon MP3, iTunes Plus, and much more. Besides DRM can be removed too

I was referrering to fixing the directory rights on the file server. Putting a login page on the catalog will not help if you don't change the file and directory permissions! I dunno who 'solved' the problem this evening but he should be fired too, cause the problem isn't solved at all with bringing the IM site down or restoring the 'coming soon'. I can't believe that these problems are the work of REAL IT person cause the errors made is BASIC knowledge for anyone who knows a bit about computers...

Well you mention DRM in your post so I was curious what you meant. DRM really is more of a pain than anything else. The truth of the matter is, if it is available online for streaming. The content can be recorded and stored. Directory permissions and what the "IT department" does won't stop that at all


Yep that's what I said earlier too. :) If you don't want something shared, don't put it online in the first place in any form unless encrypted with the heaviest encryption algorythems...

But I agree. Even if I make software too I'm against all stuff that annoys legitimate customers. I'm not a fan of DRM, product activation, DVD-checks, or online handshaking everytime you use a product. But eventually in 10 years all industries have learned their lessons. I'm sure of it. It's like they say, "the consumer is always right" :)

Lionsgate made a deal with the pentagon, they now may use their encryption on their movie sites.

Would be a great deal for Immediate too, but seriously. I think this whole discussion is stupid, Immediate is the Madonna, how come that bitch still get's money while her music is everywhere to download?

I dunno who 'solved' the problem this evening but he should be fired too, cause the problem isn't solved at all with bringing the IM site down or restoring the 'coming soon'. I can't believe that these problems are the work of REAL IT person cause the errors made is BASIC knowledge for anyone who knows a bit about computers...

Meh, I think that taking down the site and reverting it to the pre-open-library state was just the quickest way. It surely didn't disable the links, but it made them "undiscoverable" through the site.
Bringing the links down will problably take a while, since it must involve the hosting provider.

EDIT:

The Music is offline too.
Oh, right. (but it wan't just after "maintenance" notice popped up)

Meh, I think that taking down the site and reverting it to the pre-open-library state was just the quickest way. It surely didn't disable the links, but it made them "undiscoverable" through the site.
Bringing the links down will problably take a while, since it must involve the hosting provider.

The Music is offline too.

Not to be an ass or anything, but does anyone else find this whole situation pretty comical? For months and months Vanton has been threatening us not to share any of their music, and for the most part we've all stopped and moderated this thread, even though he's continued to go on and on about how sharing of the music is destroying his company. Then Immediate Music themselves go and share their entire catalog, including an album that everyone's been desperate for for months.

Yet after IM shares their music, Vanton comes in here and starts accusing us of sharing it and how he was right about us all along, when not a single one of us posted a direct link or gave detailed instructions on how to download them (I know we helped each other with file names, but that wouldn't have helped anyone who didn't already know what they were doing).

Then, to become even more ridiculous, he says that we somehow hacked their servers. Two clicks of the mouse to download the file, and then another two clicks to see the location of it, is hardly hacking. The directory listing of all the files would deny access, and as far as I know no one "hacked" into that to see the full list of everything on the server.

This was a giant faux pas on Immediate Music's part, and rather than admitting that they screwed up, they're accusing us of doing something illegal, and now Vanton has turned into a parody of himself. The only thing that's doing any damage to IM and its reputation is Vanton himself right now. Whining and swearing at members of this forum because they have a rudimentary understanding of the internet is just sad.

Vanton, I'm sorry that you guys screwed up, but saying that the members of this forum did something illegal to make yourselves feel better about your mistake is pretty low and childish. Sweep it under the rug and just move on. I'm sure everyone here will forgive you for getting upset. We understand. Sometimes it's hard to own up.

Not to be an ass or anything, but does anyone else find this whole situation pretty comical? For months and months Vanton has been threatening us not to share any of their music, and for the most part we've all stopped and moderated this thread, even though he's continued to go on and on about how sharing of the music is destroying his company. Then Immediate Music themselves go and share their entire catalog, including an album that everyone's been desperate for for months.

Yet after IM shares their music, Vanton comes in here and starts accusing us of sharing it and how he was right about us all along, when not a single one of us posted a direct link or gave detailed instructions on how to download them (I know we helped each other with file names, but that wouldn't have helped anyone who didn't already know what they were doing).

Then, to become even more ridiculous, he says that we somehow hacked their servers. Two clicks of the mouse to download the file, and then another two clicks to see the location of it, is hardly hacking. The directory listing of all the files would deny access, and as far as I know no one "hacked" into that to see the full list of everything on the server.

This was a giant faux pas on Immediate Music's part, and rather than admitting that they screwed up, they're accusing us of doing something illegal, and now Vanton has turned into a parody of himself. The only thing that's doing any damage to IM and its reputation is Vanton himself right now. Whining and swearing at members of this forum because they have a rudimentary understanding of the internet is just sad.

Vanton, I'm sorry that you guys screwed up, but saying that the members of this forum did something illegal to make yourselves feel better about your mistake is pretty low and childish. Sweep it under the rug and just move on. I'm sure everyone here will forgive you for getting upset. We understand. Sometimes it's hard to own up.

Yeah, it is very ironic, but speak about "forgiving" on your behalf only. I am pretty miffed that without proof of me even involved in anything this guy, a representative from IM, calls me a shithead, a shitbag, and a thief.

Not to be an ass or anything, but does anyone else find this whole situation pretty comical? For months and months Vanton has been threatening us not to share any of their music, and for the most part we've all stopped and moderated this thread, even though he's continued to go on and on about how sharing of the music is destroying his company. Then Immediate Music themselves go and share their entire catalog, including an album that everyone's been desperate for for months.

Yet after IM shares their music, Vanton comes in here and starts accusing us of sharing it and how he was right about us all along, when not a single one of us posted a direct link or gave detailed instructions on how to download them (I know we helped each other with file names, but that wouldn't have helped anyone who didn't already know what they were doing).

Then, to become even more ridiculous, he says that we somehow hacked their servers. Two clicks of the mouse to download the file, and then another two clicks to see the location of it, is hardly hacking. The directory listing of all the files would deny access, and as far as I know no one "hacked" into that to see the full list of everything on the server.

This was a giant faux pas on Immediate Music's part, and rather than admitting that they screwed up, they're accusing us of doing something illegal, and now Vanton has turned into a parody of himself. The only thing that's doing any damage to IM and its reputation is Vanton himself right now. Whining and swearing at members of this forum because they have a rudimentary understanding of the internet is just sad.

Vanton, I'm sorry that you guys screwed up, but saying that the members of this forum did something illegal to make yourselves feel better about your mistake is pretty low and childish. Sweep it under the rug and just move on. I'm sure everyone here will forgive you for getting upset. We understand. Sometimes it's hard to own up.

I agree with this 100%. Immediate Music made the mistake. As a company who puts a lot of value on their property (more so then the RIAA and MPAA), they should have tested everything out before letting the streaming portion of the web site go live.

They knew their songs were highly prized in the p2p/file sharing communities (for those who knew about them, anyways), and should have really taken steps to secure it better. Maybe by a log-in that only allowed their clients to stream high-quality files. But, they didn't.

If they didn't want people to download high-quality songs..they really shouldn't have allowed this kind of access to them. If they only wanted people to stream, then it would have been better (for them) to stream crap-quality files (like mp3's at 56K/22khz) or .ram, or .wma files, as those are near worthless to most people, but perfectly fine for a preview.

I also agree with that we did not do any 'hacking'. "Hacking" really involves breaking/getting past security features. There was NO security on the high-quality streams (besides using Flash, which is insecure by nature). All we did was figure out the file names. And as you said Alastor2588, all it took was a few clicks and a working knowledge of how the internet works, and bam, we had access. There were no 'leet' tricks, no 'hardcore' commands, no modified software, and no modification of their own site.

I would say, who ever programmed the web player, is the one at fault. They didn't test to make sure that only 'clients' had access, they didn't program any security features at all (not even a log in screen). They can't really do anything about it..they hosted the files on their own servers, they only have themselves to blame.

Yeah, it is very ironic, but speak about "forgiving" on your behalf only. I am pretty miffed that without proof of me even involved in anything this guy, a representative from IM, calls me a shithead, a shitbag, and a thief.

Oh, just ignore him guys. Just think about the awful day he's had and give him a break. This is after all probably the biggest security breach in the company's history--leaking their entire library to the public on their own website. For a company that values exclusivity and secrecy in their catalogue, that's got to make for pretty much the worst day at work ever. I imagine it might not sit too well with their clients either if they hear about it. I disagree with what Vanton said but I can understand why he's upset and lashing out at us.

And remember, he threatened me personally too, with his vague references to my accounts on other forums. Not exactly sure what he was talking about, but I'm willing to overlook that as well.

debatelord, don't forget about the aceboard forum as well. You wouldn't want him to know about that one, would you?

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GONE....

mmmh...
just curious...

why so many peoples want trailers "music" ???

it's incredible... anyone of us have already listen at this "kind" of music ???

all tracks from any companies are exactly the same all the times !!! :-D

someone can tell me who is better between Immediate Music or Two Steps From Hell honnestly ???? ...the same, all the same ! ....it's an insult to all the film music industries, and it's an insult for yourself !!

I'm really glad to see these company's don't want published cd's to public, thanks so much for that, you are in the right way !!!

and with a great behavior like that, you, publics, still wants these CD's !???
I can't understand really... you don't think if the company's don't launch cd's to public is maybe because that was not really "musics" ???

stop joking guys, are you really film music fans ???
because this is not film music... sorry but hit the more harder than possible on a drum or anything else is not music....
Since Spiderman or Matrix all the trailers goes "the same" with these retorical musics !!

ahhh... I can remember the old times, when the trailer from Cuttroat Island was launched with Army of Darkness by Joseph LoDuca by example, or when the trailer from Invaders from Mars was launched with Goldsmith's music... ahhh the old times...

That opinion sounds exactly like some of my friends's opinions about trailer music. There is just a very small group of people who enjoy the style (maybe we're the elite music appreciators? j/k). In the end, it means that it doesn't matter whether this kind of music is made available for download or not, there won't be much people downloading it anyway. Maybe 10 or 20 people downloaded IM's albums due to their website issue? I think it would hardly make any impact in licensing/sales for IM just to have their music available on a hard-to-reach-but-not-illegal place where true fans of their music (and potential newcome licensers) can download it for free.

mmmh...
just curious...

why so many peoples want trailers "music" ???

it's incredible... anyone of us have already listen at this "kind" of music ???

all tracks from any companies are exactly the same all the times !!! :-D

someone can tell me who is better between Immediate Music or Two Steps From Hell honnestly ???? ...the same, all the same ! ....it's an insult to all the film music industries, and it's an insult for yourself !!

I'm really glad to see these company's don't want published cd's to public, thanks so much for that, you are in the right way !!!

and with a great behavior like that, you, publics, still wants these CD's !???
I can't understand really... you don't think if the company's don't launch cd's to public is maybe because that was not really "musics" ???

stop joking guys, are you really film music fans ???
because this is not film music... sorry but hit the more harder than possible on a drum or anything else is not music....
Since Spiderman or Matrix all the trailers goes "the same" with these retorical musics !!

ahhh... I can remember the old times, when the trailer from Cuttroat Island was launched with Army of Darkness by Joseph LoDuca by example, or when the trailer from Invaders from Mars was launched with Goldsmith's music... ahhh the old times...

What got ME into 'Trailer Music' is the song "Lacrimosa'. I first heard it on the Spider-man 2 trailer. I went out from there, trying to find more songs like that (dramatic opera-ish). That's when I came across the whole industry of 'Trailer Music'. I love that opera stuff.

Let's all just take a step back for a moment, and put things in perspective.

The facts are, someone at IM made a big mistake. We all took advantage of said mistake, without knowledge that it was one. However, I'm sure we all thought somewhat it was too good to be true. Everything was leaked by IM, and anyone who downloaded the music did it legally. Now the site is back to normal, with no access to the public.

Can we move on from a discussion of who is at fault, and onto what were the consequences? Where do we go from here?

Vanton had an awful day. DebateLord is right; this was the biggest security breach in the company's history, and they were the one's who allowed it. It's depressing. Let us please not forget about the affect on them, and how the composers feel about this; terrible, I'm sure.

While some people now have music as a result of the mistake, the same things still apply as before. Because it was legal to download, it's not illegal to have this music. However, it is illegal to use it in any production, online or offline. Please keep this in mind.

IM's music will continue being shared. Even if this didn't happen, it would have been shared. While it is unfortunate, it is the truth of the trailer fan community. But this fact does not really matter.

The bottom line is, this was a terrible thing for Immediate Music. The reason it was terrible was because people downloaded the music, which they accidentally allowed access to. That's not to say anyone who downloaded it did something wrong. However, it's what we do with that music that is important, and how we continue to interact with the company. Please respect the company, and the integrity of the music by not using it. Show support by purchasing the albums that IM is kind enough to make available, even if you were able to get a hold of some of the same songs over the past few days.
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why so many peoples want trailers "music" ???

It's a style of music that has always been important to me. Until just a year ago, I never realized this style of music had a name, but my entire life I have been composing this type of music. I had never had the ability to make any music, and when I heard Immediate Music, it was like hearing what I had composed, played back in full Orchestra. Thinking back, it was literally a life changing experience. Different people like different styles of music, and trailer music speaks to me more than other kind of music.

I think the whole situation is rather hilarious. You've briefly found a back door! Now, to just find the others :)

mmmh...
just curious...
why so many peoples want trailers "music" ???


It's just matter of taste. But saying that 'I don't like it, so it's good that it isn't released to the public' is a bit selfish. Everybody likes different stuff. If you don't like it, don't buy it or don't listen to it.

Even sometimes people have different taste in the same genre. In movie scores for instance some people praise the overuse of synths in MediaVentures productions (yesyes I mean Hans Zimmer, Powell, Gregson-Williams, Badelt) while others hate it and say it's horrible music and not worthly of release or use in films. But this is all a matter of taste.

So the more music that get's released the more audiences that will be pleased...

What got ME into 'Trailer Music' is the song "Lacrimosa'. I first heard it on the Spider-man 2 trailer. I went out from there, trying to find more songs like that (dramatic opera-ish). That's when I came across the whole industry of 'Trailer Music'. I love that opera stuff.

I remember that I got into the whole trailer-music world by hearing DNA Reactor by Pfeifer Broz. Music in the trailer for Harry Potter 5. I wanted to know what the song was called and that's how I found out about PBM, IM, ES, XRD and so on. Before I'd heard of them, I used to think that the movie companies made their own music for the trailers, can you believe that?! ;)

Sure, what's happened over the past few days has been regrettable for some, and for other (like Vanton) maybe one of the worst in their careers. But can't we, like, MOVE on? Because don't get me wrong, I like discussing all of this and reading your comments, I really do, but what else can be said about this? We've heard all the important parts:

-Vanton is pissed off;
-We downloaded the music, and we were not breaking the law by doing so (it wasn't hacking);
-IM made a security mistake;
-Vanton is pissed off;
-We should not share the music that we obtained;
-TFOAC 3 and other albums would have been leaked anyway in the future;
-IM should be mad at the IT guys;
-Vanton is pissed off.

So what else is there to say? The ones who were able to get hold of the albums should be happy and listen to it in private. Vanton may or may not leave this forum, and the ones who were planning on buying Trailerhead should continue to do so. It's been a long and busy night (and now morning ;)) for everyone.

Does anyone have the song 'Somaquado' by X-Ray Dog? Care to PM me?

GONE....

GONE....

GONE....

mmmh...
just curious...

why so many peoples want trailers "music" ???
Let's see... hmmm... Why do i want a Ferrari? Because it's the most beautiful car of the world.


And it's the same for film music, I hate Zimmer's Remote Control (media ventures) and these kind of "scores of simplicity", but I consider that like a real music anyway, because Zimmer, Gregson-Williams, Badelt, Jablonsky, Lohner, Powell, Glennie-Smith, Dooley, Zanelli, Rupert Gregson-Williams, Andrews, Orvarsson, Neely, Burnett, etc etc don't loose her life to composed trailer music...
Oh no? and what Zimmer, Gregson-Williams, Badelt, Jablonsky, Lohner, Powell, Zanelli "tried" to do with Director's Cuts & Extreme Music?


And I don't have said "I don't like it, so it's good that it isn't released to the public"
uh... you said "I'm really glad to see these company's don't want published cd's to public, thanks so much for that, you are in the right way !!!"
It's quite the same thing.


....it's an insult to all the film music industries, and it's an insult for yourself !!

stop joking guys, are you really film music fans ???
I think you misunderstood something: THIS IS NOT FILM MUSIC.
Personally, yes, i'm also film music fan. But i still prefer trailer music. That's not a joke.

You don't like trailer music, fine. But don't come here to post some fucking messages. I hate Britney Spears (for example). Do i go on Britney's fans forums to say "i don't understand how you can like this music, bla bla bla"? No. Full Stop.

Now for the IM leak story, what i can say is that i agree with most of the posts in the previous 3 pages, especially the strong and deeply true posts of Debatelord, and great r�sum� of LGGuy16. Everything has been said, i'll not repeat.

Now i'm waiting for my Trailerhead cd and my Live DVD...

For me, trailer music adds energy and power to traditional classical music, without losing the variety of instruments and melodies that usually happen with heavy metal style. It's like the perfect combination, maybe it should be called "heavy classical"?

So what else is there to say? The ones who were able to get hold of the albums should be happy and listen to it in private. Vanton may or may not leave this forum, and the ones who were planning on buying Trailerhead should continue to do so. It's been a long and busy night (and now morning ;)) for everyone.

He'll be back to be rude and condescend to you guys, are you kidding? In my opinion, he's like the child in the sandbox who has been given alot of toys by his rich parents so he goes around saying he has all these things and you are not rich enough to get it. And when he doesnt get his way, he complains, whines, and yells. But like all children in that situation, he always goes back to the sandbox.

cerberusHound, I've never quite known exactly how to describe him without resorting to petty insults, but you just did it perfectly.

cerberusHound, I've never quite known exactly how to describe him without resorting to petty insults, but you just did it perfectly.

Full Ack! I think someone just managed to make people lose all respect they had for him.

If Vanton had just asked us to keep quiet about what happened, to delete our posts about it and to enjoy the music but keep it to ourselves, we would have done just that, and the incident would have been forgotten within a month. Instead, he made such a fuss, acting like a troll and swearing at people who did nothing wrong (he even implied we deserve to be SHOT as looters!) and thus made matters much worse (Streisand effect, anyone?).

If that accident had happened to TSFH, I think that is what TJB would have done. He has always been much more sensible... and likeable, too! I have deepest respect for TSFH, but IM just lost it!

lol, may we call this the "Self-destruction of IM" ?

lol, may we call this the "Self-destruction of IM" ?

Would be a good song theme for TFOAC 4... lol.

Does anyone know what music was used in Batman: SubZero Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk0PHXX9fXs) & "Down Periscope Trailer" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Mx1kA3irk)

Thanks,
Music-Man

We've heard all the important parts:

-Vanton is pissed off;
-We downloaded the music, and we were not breaking the law by doing so (it wasn't hacking);
-IM made a security mistake;
-Vanton is pissed off;
-We should not share the music that we obtained;
-TFOAC 3 and other albums would have been leaked anyway in the future;
-IM should be mad at the IT guys;
-Vanton is pissed off.


Wow, you go out of town for a few days and miss out on everything. I wish I had seen this truncated version earlier, but I think I have a grasp on what happened. I mean I can see why vanton would be a bit upset, while yall were ABLE to download the songs you didnt really HAVE to. You could have just streamed it and left it at that. Now yall be good boys and girls and give vanton his music back.

Now yall be good boys and girls and give vanton his music back.

We would... but he left :(

Now yall be good boys and girls and give vanton his music back.

Well in theory people didn't take it away. They just made a copy of it.
It's like taking a picture from something thats on public place :)

lol

To everyone else, everyone that made a post in the last few pages, you clearly have shown why you do not deserve this music. If the public release CD was after today, I doubt Immediate would even want to release it. I think you guys don't understand a lot of things, and you only see it from your own perspective, really.

Any business talk you guys have is purely foolish, especially if your not involved in this industry. I think now, you can forget about other public releases. I wouldn't want to release anything to these kinds of people. Just my opinion.

This is worth repeating.

I wasn't here when all the IM stuff happened. Any progress we as fans made of this music is gone down the drain. Forget any future commercial releases.
And forget about TFOAC 4, 5 & 6.
Well done!!

And forget about TFOAC 4, 5 & 6.
Well done!!
hmm TFOAC 4 is 3/4 done already or more right now. I dont think they will cancel TFOAC 4 after wut's been done. THAT would be a waste of time and money for them. It would be like if they were killing themselves a second time. Non sense.

You're all doing like this is a serious disastaster, Immediate isn't going to cancel anything.

This is worth repeating.

I wasn't here when all the IM stuff happened. Any progress we as fans made of this music is gone down the drain. Forget any future commercial releases.
And forget about TFOAC 4, 5 & 6.
Well done!!

Why? IM's reasoning for not doing commercial releases was because they claim we'd just illegally download it and no one would actually buy it. But no one illegally downloaded anything in the past week or so, so it's completely irrelevant. I haven't seen any sharing of Trailerhead going on in this forum. The only ones who screwed up here were the people who designed IM's site. Not the fans.

This is worth repeating.

I wasn't here when all the IM stuff happened. Any progress we as fans made of this music is gone down the drain. Forget any future commercial releases.
And forget about TFOAC 4, 5 & 6.
Well done!!

I beg to differ. The website was open and it was not obvious IM made a mistake. I wasn't here to post about it (so your comment does not concern me), but when I got back and found the open website, I really thought IM changed their policy and were trying to advertise their music. As several songs did not play in the flashplayer provided, it was clear there was a mistake with the filenames, so it was only natural to try to get it right. I think the people who posted about it did not think they were doing anything illegal or harming IM. It was IM who made the mistake, not the people here. I don't know what to blame them for. They could not anticipate Vanton's over-reaction.

Because, honestly, who would think a professional company like IM would give access to songs by accident?

I think now, you can forget about other public releases. I wouldn't want to release anything to these kinds of people. Just my opinion.


hmm TFOAC 4 is 3/4 done already or more right now. I dont think they will cancel TFOAC 4 after wut's been done. THAT would be a waste of time and money for them. It would be like if they were killing themselves a second time. Non sense.

Oh no, Immediate will continue to make Themes 5, 6.... for the production industry. I meant, you can forget about it. Don't even think you'll be getting it from your other forum.... that time has come and now gone.

Oh no, Immediate will continue to make Themes 5, 6.... for the production industry. I meant, you can forget about it. Don't even think you'll be getting it from your other forum.... that time has come and now gone.
plz tell me the bloody hell it has to do with my last post ?

plz tell me the bloody hell it has to do with my last post ?

Someone said

And forget about TFOAC 4, 5 & 6.
Well done!!

you said

hmm TFOAC 4 is 3/4 done already or more right now.

I just made a post replying to that. So there you have it. More clear now?

Oh, be scared guys, robertz is watching and because of him he won't have TFOAC4...

Wasn't the 3 "hidden" ?

Seriously, I'm really scared when you come here to say such things to us.


PS : Thanks for all you do for IM, it's really appreciate. You should be friend with Vanton ;)

Oh, be scared guys, robertz is watching and because of him he won't have TFOAC4...

Wasn't the 3 "hidden" ?

Seriously, I'm really scared when you come here to say such things to us.


PS : Thanks for all you do for IM, it's really appreciate. You should be friend with Vanton ;)

Who is this guy anyway? The master of trailer music form a mysterious aceboard?
How come I wasn't invited?

Let's ignore him and go back to the main subjet.

What's the song used on this trailer please ?
I ripped it, but I need a tittle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dow5a1XTEw0

And about this music too :

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/38833.html

:D

Thanks!

Who is this guy anyway? The master of trailer music form a mysterious aceboard?
How come I wasn't invited?

Ask Shuyan, maybe he can invite you there...

btw, if you feel scared of me, than I feel sorry for you.

Ask Shuyan, maybe he can invite you there...

Wow you know some things and you are happy. Good job little buddy!


btw, if you feel scared of me, than I feel sorry for you.

I was sarcastic, but you didn't understant, it's ok, I forgive you. But say it when you don't understand something, I will explain ;)

Ok, lets go on-topic again:

I have a question for Vanton...

I ordered the cd version of Trailerhead (yeay ^^) but why is the artist stated as "Immediate or The Immediate" instead of good ol' "IMMEDIATE MUSIC"?

Thanks in advance

Final

Oh no, Immediate will continue to make Themes 5, 6.... for the production industry. I meant, you can forget about it. Don't even think you'll be getting it from your other forum.... that time has come and now gone.
You're definitely stupid.

I have a question for Vanton...
I don't think Vanton will answer...

good job guys lol!


@vanton if u ever read this

dont be that "angry". the stuff these guys were able to download from your site was the common stuff floating around on the internet. you didnt really lose anything :) everyone had that stuff before. now you know about the security issue and can improve your site.

Well that's not entirely true. I don't think Action 5, Suspense 5, or Youth Oriented 4 and 5 had leaked at all yet, and TFOC3 had only leaked to a small number of people and hadn't hit p2p networks yet.

And robertz, shut up. I'm sure you're just tickled pink you found a way to cause more trouble, but if you think you made any lasting impact with your little private war on trailer music collectors or spying on our forums, your sadly mistaken. Bug off.

Well that's not entirely true. I don't think Action 5, Suspense 5, or Youth Oriented 4 and 5 had leaked at all yet,

LOL, haha. Must have AAA albums :)

lol robertz is acting like...an adult *cough* :D

but i remember him from former forums, and all he did was leeching too lol and now he is talking trash lol


@debatelord
well...have you ever listen to youth or supsense albums? how long? did you like it? or do you just want to "collect" them? :)

That's true, Youth Oriented albums suck. Action/Suspense albums are not that bad. There are numerous tracks that could have been in a TFOAC album.

First, please show me from where have I leeched something in the past? I don't think you'll find anything because.... I think you have no clue who I am, no clue what I do... and what you guys do is plain wrong. Grow up. I try to help you guys, but you think you never do anything wrong and try to defend yourselves.

i cant show you because the forums you were on are all dead now lol

apart from that you dont help us with your little trash talk.

I think we should ignore him., let him talk in the wind. What he says is not interesting anyway.

You're all doing like this is a serious disastaster, Immediate isn't going to cancel anything.

This post is not aimed at Visculmania but general.
I was referring to any future commercial releases that may have been planned after 'trailerhead'.
Commercial as in actually spending money on some music instead of illegal downloading, must sound strange, I know.
We have it pinned up in the boards that IM music and TSFH is forbidden to be shared here. Whether that includes providing download links OR guidelines on how to access their online library if there's a bug, it's the same thing.
People will always share but at least have the courtesy to do it through PM.
The trailer music companies have been very tolerate about this forum, actively participating in discussions here, IM in particular, trying to make you see the full picture.
Everybody is ki$$ing ass. Then they make one mistake and you, as fans, backstab them.
It's pathetic.
We've gave them our word and you all broke it at the first opportunity that was at hand.
If I were part of IM, I wouldn't even consider releasing to the public anymore.
Because newsflash people, we're not with alot of fans here. The average Joe is not gonna care if trailermusic is on sale. Average Joe comes in late in the theatre and putts his coat on the moment he spots the credits of the movie. IM's not gonna make any money releasing to us with the few disks we buy of them. They did it as a gesture to us, the trailer fan community.
And the recent actions on this board showed clearly how we repay them.

It's disrespectful behaviour and you don't deserve it, it's as plain and simple as that.

I think we should ignore him., let him talk in the wind. What he says is not interesting anyway.
Yeah you're right.
What were we talking about? Oh, yeah, the music in the 2 trailers you posted.
Sorry Shuyan, i can't help you :(
The music on the first trailer is great!

Give poor Robertz a break=)

the music used in these two trailers are indeed very good, shuyan. But i have no clue bout the names of the songs.:-$

Forget any future commercial releases.

I don't think I.M will cancel any future planned commercial releases of their music (If they have any at the moment.)

Why do I think that? Well, think about it like this:

Have any major Hollywood studio canceled plans for future movies due to piracy in the past? Nope. None have. Most movies that come out don't even turn a profit when they are in the theaters. In fact, more then half of movies made NEVER turn a profit, yet they continue to make more. And this trend was happening way before movies could be easily downloaded from torrents or usenet.

I can bet you that Hollywood looses way more money on a single film then I.M 'claims' they have lost in their existence, and yet, Hollywood doesn't cancel DVD releases, doesn't cancel future movies because of piracy. I haven't seen that, ever.

Has any musician ever come out and said "Due to piracy, I/We can no longer produce more music." ? Again...the answer is no. In fact, piracy has shown the opposite, at least on music. Piracy actually increases album sales

Movie fans download/copy movies/music all the time. Yet, more movies/music is being produced, all the time.

So, I do not think that I.M would cancel plans on future commercial releases due to the last few days.

Plus, we DO NOT know what their plans are/were. But I do hope that I.M does put out commercial released in the future. I would buy them.

First, please show me from where have I leeched something in the past? I don't think you'll find anything because.... I think you have no clue who I am, no clue what I do... and what you guys do is plain wrong. Grow up. I try to help you guys, but you think you never do anything wrong and try to defend yourselves.

Robertz, most importantly known as Roberts20sv (mp3forum.ru) but he has many other aliases.

On mp3forum.ru.....
(evidence of providing/leeching)
http://mp3forum.ru/index.php?showtopic=166463&st=100
[wanted to leech music junkies, provided two steps from hell and various other production albums]

there is your evidence

touch�

but let's keep this topic usefull shall we?

You think I am roberts20sv... why? because it's similar to robertz? that's your proof? Nice try. Actually bad try, but whatever. Know who your talking to before blaming them.

lol

its a big fluke then huh? mr. "robertz"...lol
go home son, you wont win this war here :)

Jeez...can't we talk about stuff that matters? I'm sorry, but constantly talking about what we've SUPPOSEDLY done wrong is kinda depressing... The "so-called" damage is done, let's not get angry at eachother just because some vanton-clone robertz says that we aren't worth listening to the music..

I told you to ignore him. Don't play his game.

Ok ...

zbik, please remove NOW your links. Thank you.

[edit] Thanks :)

Guys is the XRD song, the Vesion or the Vision?

it's The Vision.

Can you guys reload up Two steps from hell albums please^^

Can you guys reload up Two steps from hell albums please^^

No, we can't.

Just send it to my email [email protected]:)

Just send it to my email [email protected]:)

Sorry, cant do that either. But thanks for playing.

But on a related note, does anyone know anything about the music that was used in the opening/closing ceremonies of the olympics? I know its not trailer music but it sounded pretty epic.

To anyone experiencing deja vu, i asked once before but my post was engulfed by the news regarding trailerhead.

didn't Immediate Music used the track: The Brave Shall Rise there?

But on a related note, does anyone know anything about the music that was used in the opening/closing ceremonies of the olympics?

About award ceremony music (http://www.univs.cn/newweb/channels/cri/2008-08-05/1217939151d870697.html) - about award ceremony
"A total of 110 minutes of music was created by 18 composers for the opening ceremony." (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/08/content_9052487.htm)
"The musical score for the ceremony was arranged by composer Tan Dun" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Summer_Olympics_Opening_Ceremony)

I couldn't find any thorough info on the ceremony music coverage, unfortunately - just the bits and pieces.

I know that Klaus Badelt made a few tracks for the closing ceremony

Immediate Music did compose some music for the opening ceremony:


2008 Beijing Olympics
08 / 08 / 2008

Watch the opening ceremonies on 8/8/08 at 7:30 pm on NBC to hear Immediate Music in the first two and a half minutes!

From the official IM music site, [NEWS] section =)

Immediate Music did compose some music for the opening ceremony: From the official IM music site, [NEWS] section =)
I thought it was just NBC specific coverage (like the music used to announce the olympics broadcast).

I thought it was just NBC specific coverage (like the music used to announce the olympics broadcast).

It could be, but than again, DeePoo also posted a message about what track it could be:

didn't Immediate Music used the track: The Brave Shall Rise there?

Wow, you guys are good at this. Thanks for the info. Think I can find a chinese bootleg of the music, or is that just redundant?

The "Official Album for Beijing 2008 Olympic Games" was already released, but I think all it contains are just songs. They sometimes also release some sort of a "classical" album, which contains an underscore music used in the ceremonies (e.g. Athens '04).

The actual production music that might have been used is probably going to stay unpublished.

The "Official Album for Beijing 2008 Olympic Games" was already released, but I think all it contains are just songs. They sometimes also release some sort of a "classical" album, which contains an underscore music used in the ceremonies (e.g. Athens '04).
What you're talking about is the matter of soundtrack and score.
Most of the time the "soundtrack" of a movie sucks, but what we mostly love (in this topic anyway) is the "score" of a movie.
Maybe it's the same for the Olympic Games...

If anyone watched the Olympic games in Torino the music used in the first minutes of the NBC broadcast was Immediate Music. You can see most of it on the Immediate Music website (It's at the very end): http://www.immediatemusic.com/core/video_demo.cfm

The song used is in Trailerhead.

I think it's a good bet that the first few minutes of the NBC coverage of this years Olympics, when they have the introduction and narration, has Immediate Music. Not in the actual ceremony; just the NBC broadcast like Geyzer said. I would bet that that is what they are referring to on their website. :)

I don't understand why people find the need to hype IM up so much when their latest offerings aren't as impressive as their earlier work. Maybe my tastes in music are slightly different but I feel TSfH should be given a lot of praise as they have audibly taken poll position.

that my friend, is probably just a matter of taste.

I don't understand why people find the need to hype IM up so much when their latest offerings aren't as impressive as their earlier work. Maybe my tastes in music are slightly different but I feel TSfH should be given a lot of praise as they have audibly taken poll position.


show me a public release by 2sfh.

Public releases does not equate good music.

You know, the people I met on this board since I became a member of it, like Immediate Music and Two Steps From Hell both. Now you ask why there is such a hype among Immediate Music and not among Two Steps From Hell?

That is because at the moment Immediate Music released a public CD and launched their new website. People were even capable of downloading tracks from the website. Now those are the reasons why Immediate Music is hyped at the moment.

Read back this topic of posts from the beginning of January or the end of December 2007. Two Steps From Hell was praised for Nemesis. No one talked about Immediate Music at that time. That is because we heard nothing from them. And as for now, it's the other way around.

Next to that I stand for my previous post: the fact that you think two steps from hell deserves more credit, is probably because of your taste.

show me a public release by 2sfh.

He never said anything about a public release in his statement.

But I agree. If you look at IM great albums we have 3 (TFOAC1+2+3) albums in 5 years. If you look at TSFH we have already 3 superb albums in 2 years time (Nemesis, Legend, Dynasty) and 2 new albums in the making which are probably gonna be awesome as well...

Licenturion hit the nail right on its head.

I'm not referring to the apparent current hype for IM, I'm referring to the general overview of production music. IM has been around for longer and is probably what people first encountered in this genre (Look for the numerous "OMG Lacrimosa" people), but just because of that doesn't mean it should be lauded as the seemingly greatest production group out there. I enjoy IM and they have produced some amazing tracks (Eg: Rising Empire / Epicon), but their time has passed.

When I listen to TSfH I can actually 'feel' the emotion of the music. That Rising Empire/Epicon feeling. Every album they've thrown out since Dynasty (S&N was weird, Vol. 1 had some exceptional tunes but just a few), has been an immense work of art on each track. For more popular availability, the Hypnotica trailer melded visuals and music together so well. The latest trailers with TFOAC3 tracks in just seem like generic orchestral music that was simply thrown in to add music to the scene.

Other groups like XRD, FWM, GA, SC, they also aren't reaching that emotional high as easily.

But then, that could just be me and my interpretation of musical flow =)

ah with a general overview I agree as well.
Immediate Music has more like one remarkable style... TSFH has more.

But in my opinion I think the TFOAC albums by IM are good, just having their own style.
TSFH's has good albums too, but then again in a different style.

I can't really say which one I like better.

Licenturion hit the nail right on its head.


Well and if you take in to account that Immediate Music uses a whole team of composers to write the TFOAC3 and that TSFH only has 2 (the exceptional composer TJB and producer Nick Phoenix), that's even a more remarkable achievement.

Although lot's a tunes from production companies are usually straight stolen from movies scores. As a constant soundtrack listener I can usually immediatly indentify which score was the inspiration for a certain track. Nonetheless, it remains incredible music...

Immediate's Library is back up, but not accesable through the main site.

Question is Two steps from hell Legends is out? where can i get the link to it or download it.

Question is Two steps from hell Legends is out? where can i get the link to it or download it.

Doesn't really matter but if you want to know. Yes, according to their website.

You can't get the link from anywhere. Why? Here:
http://www.twostepsfromhell.com/index2-faq.php

Here are the samples: http://www.twostepsfromhell.com/index2-1.php
Be happy. That's all I can say...

Don't you guys think the composers are overusing the choir on their latest releases? On some pieces, it's like the choir is screaming every note played in the music. One of my favorite songs is "Armada" from Dynasty, it has the perfect balance between instrumental and choir. I think that on TFOAC 3 and Legend they're pushing the voices a bit too much.

On a side note, here's a new epic trailer from Blizzard Entertainment, worth seeing:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/intro.xml

For me the choir is what sets trailer music apart from the music composed for movies.

@ XRayWolf : yea thats an awesome trailer !!!

@ Alastor2588 : i agree with that. But still, i love when there is a fight in a song between choir and the orchestra. Like the choir goes like crazy-actioness-screaming and then the orchestra answers with the power of all instruments and vice-versa. See wut i mean hehe ?:-[ :naughty:

Choir add something more in music I think. More intensity and power on some tracks (listen to the track in no choir version to compare, you'll se, there is something missing)

Totally depends on the music. There are tracks that are (for me) way better without choirs. Most of the time, i prefer with choirs, but for example, in TFOAC3, i prefer most of the tracks without choirs. It's really a matter of each track specifically. I don't think there's too much choirs now. Depends of the company. TSFH and IM put a lot of choirs indeed, but others don't put choirs in their albums...

Just a question: did someone already receive its copy of Trailerhead (physical cd)?

yep, I recieved mine today :D

Just a question: did someone already receive its copy of Trailerhead (physical cd)?

I haven't yet. I hope I can get my copy tomorrow.

Maybe I should have purchased it off of iTunes.

Totally depends on the music. There are tracks that are (for me) way better without choirs. Most of the time, i prefer with choirs, but for example, in TFOAC3, i prefer most of the tracks without choirs. It's really a matter of each track specifically. I don't think there's too much choirs now. Depends of the company. TSFH and IM put a lot of choirs indeed, but others don't put choirs in their albums...


See, I'm the opposite. I feel that the songs on TFOAC3 feel completely empty without the choir, as Shuyan suggested. It definitely takes good orchestra with the choir to make the song good, but without the choir I don't feel like I'm getting anything too far off from movie score.

Finding a big, fast-paced orchestral song composed for a movie or game isn't too challenging, but finding a big, fast-paced orchestral song with choir, that's pretty rare, and that's my main motivation for listening to trailer music.

yep, I recieved mine today :D

Which courier delivered your CD? I have moved since placing my order and I am not sure where its being sent.

See, I'm the opposite. I feel that the songs on TFOAC3 feel completely empty without the choir, as Shuyan suggested. It definitely takes good orchestra with the choir to make the song good, but without the choir I don't feel like I'm getting anything too far off from movie score.

Finding a big, fast-paced orchestral song composed for a movie or game isn't too challenging, but finding a big, fast-paced orchestral song with choir, that's pretty rare, and that's my main motivation for listening to trailer music.

Same here, if it wasn't for the choirs I probably wouldn't listen to this kind of music. In fact I find that the NC-only songs on TFOAC3 miss choir counterparts...

Just a question: did someone already receive its copy of Trailerhead (physical cd)?

Yes, I recently got mine too.

... and to share some of my thoughts:
It really IS a little different piece of music from the IM we're used to. I mean that you can hear it was remastered and edited (gotta love that guitar solo in Serenata - just in the right place). What I also noticed is that it's a little more heavily drummed (not only live percussion, some electronic samples too) than the originals and, as in the Age of Discovery, it fits perfectly.

Kinda reminded me that this kind of music is best when listened to really loud!

PS. I really, really hoped that the Believe track would make it... oh well.

Having the choir in is sort of an integral part of trailer music. Without the choir you're pretty much getting a standard Hans Zimmer soundtrack.

The choir is there to drive the music, give it a sense of desperation if it is fast paced, or a sense of epic depth if it is slower, building up to something magnificent, so to speak. That way when the track is over you actually feel compelled to go "Wow" instead of "Meh just another instrumental melody".

Fast paced example: TSfH - Thermopolis or Spirits of Champions.

Slow epic build up: TSfH - Clair Voyant up to the first minute.

Having the choir in is sort of an integral part of trailer music.

Hell yeah, but I was surprised to get to know how it travels from composer's mind to reality... so to speak. The real eye-opener was this (http://www.soundsonline.com/static/downloads/docs/VIM_NP_interview.pdf) Nick Phoenix interview. For the most part it covers software that was developed for creating this sort of music (oh... + a way to d/l 2 free tracks :) ), but there are also some interesting remarks about creation's process in general:

interviewer: Tell us about how you were able to blend the choirs effectively into your orchestral mockup.
Nick Phoenix: This was an accident. :D

I mean - I always knew that some CAD programs must be employed behind the scenes, but the whole east-west collection (http://www.soundsonline.com/East-West-Quantum-Leap-c-61.html), with programs for having a choir sing the words typed from the keyboard, is just intimidating. It just resembles a workshop for composers and alike.

On the subject of trailer music, does anyone recognize the second song in this video (which starts at about 1:18)? It might not be from a trailer music company, but I recognize the first song as being one from X-Ray Dog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJqPe4laJ_I

Thanks if anyone knows it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJqPe4laJ_I
Thanks if anyone knows it.

1st. XRD - Across the world
2nd. (surprise, surprise!) Trevor Rabin - Remember the Titans

Having the choir in is sort of an integral part of trailer music. Without the choir you're pretty much getting a standard Hans Zimmer soundtrack.

The choir is there to drive the music, give it a sense of desperation if it is fast paced, or a sense of epic depth if it is slower, building up to something magnificent, so to speak. That way when the track is over you actually feel compelled to go "Wow" instead of "Meh just another instrumental melody".

Fast paced example: TSfH - Thermopolis or Spirits of Champions.

Slow epic build up: TSfH - Clair Voyant up to the first minute.

I agree with you, but Spirit of Champions has choir only in the (few) places where it's supposed to have, not on every single note of the music. Too much choir makes it less epic and more "common sounding". I love when the choir takes place during the climax of the music, but if you put it on the entire track, it causes less impact, and unfortunately I see it happening on the newer albums.

I think that this whole 'epic choir' thing is just a growing market that will come to a halt in the very near future. It's just something from this time period.

What's the point in making another 100 epic choir albums when you already have a lot of high quality releases in this genre. And you usually hear like 15 seconds of a choir piece layered with SFX effects in a trailer. So it almost doesn't matter which song you use if you have hunderds of quality songs available.

In a while the movie industry will become tired of this typical trailer approach and will go search after a new type of scoring. This Orff goes pop approach was new a few years ago and lots of new companies (big and small) came with this 'new genre' since there is demand. But just like movie scoring or any other product: it will change probably significantly over the next few years.

I also agree with the fact that the lastest releases like TFOAC3, Legend, Argos overdo the choir on some places. Subtlety and building things up can make things more epic than 2.5 minutes of full force choir & orchestra layered with chirping violins and thundering electronic sample percussion.

some ppl dont realize this music isnt really for private use...i mean not for private audio sessions. its made to advertise! so some trailer or commercials need high voltage choir...other dont...and the companies give a damn about what you guys think about it because your not in their business.

well I agree with kukoriato that it's not made for us...
when used for advertizing I don't think the choir is overused

when used for advertizing I don't think the choir is overused

I think lately this type of music in general is overused in trailers. Trailers like SinCity or Max Payne are way cooler and more special since they are action trailers but sport another kind of music for once...

lol, then guess why more and more companies try to go a different ways? for example xrd. but of course if they try such a different style everyone dislikes them again because there is no choir or orchestra.

lol, then guess why more and more companies try to go a different ways?
Well because the movie companies want something new or refreshing after all these years I guess. There has to be demand for this cause otherwise some companies wouldn't 'innovate'. You are correct that most companies try different things lately like XRD. Or the last TFOAC contained also al lot of different styles and more NC tracks like ever before. Also libaries like Future World Music and Q Factory contain lots of other genres which probably results in much more active clients. Only librabries that focus entirely on epic stuff is TSFH and well...Epic score :)

And by everyone you probably mean 'we' cause my mom doesn't care what music they use in a trailer :) lol

The way you are explaining the lack of growth and creativity in production music sounds like the history of trance music with the commercialization of it to more 'epic/uplifting' trance subgenres to get people more interested in it instead of following the traditional build up style.

Or take for example XRD's shift into featuring a tad more electric guitar in the tracks, giving it that hard metal edge that works quite well in certain instances. Or the addition of more electronic-style effects.

There's a little difference between the libraries and the groups like IM, TSfH. Library groups seem to be more diversified, more suitable for TV advertisements or sports events. WOM for example has one nifty album that sounds more laid-back jazzy style than one would expect for production music. I would expect it from the libraries but not from groups like IM and all. They've already established their trailer music area and to deviate too strongly from it would be weird. So in a way they are kind of locked in a small area of limited creativity to work with.

Ideally if we want to see quality tracks, future releases would end up having very very few tracks to listen to =/ Then again for the latest albums, it's only a few tracks that actually are worthy of praise, the others end up being something just there to fill up the CD, in a way like the 'filler' episodes for some TV series *Cough Stargate Atlantis*.

^^Yep, that's the problem with everything nowadays. Everything gets made more 'mainstream'...

Someone talented comes up with a great idea and writes great music. In the beginning it reaches a small group of people who love it. After a while they try to reach a bigger audience so they loose the rough edges and put in some mainstream stuff. The bigger the audience, the more money that can be put in future productions and the more clean and crisp it sounds. Ultimatly the music/group loses its charm and everything sounds overproduced.

This 'story' has happened with every rock and metal band where I was initially a big fan of. Most go from real emotional music with rough edges and a sense of uniqueness to calculated overproduced, oversampled, oversung commercial mish mash after 3 albums generally

^^Yep, that's the problem with everything nowadays. Everything gets made more 'mainstream'...

Someone talented comes up with a great idea and writes great music. In the beginning it reaches a small group of people who love it. After a while they try to reach a bigger audience so they loose the rough edges and put in some mainstream stuff. The bigger the audience, the more money that can be put in future productions and the more clean and crisp it sounds. Ultimatly the music/group loses its charm and everything sounds overproduced.

This 'story' has happened with every rock and metal band where I was initially a big fan of. Most go from real emotional music with rough edges and a sense of uniqueness to calculated overproduced, oversampled, oversung commercial mish mash after 3 albums generally

Yeah that can't be more true. It's the money before the quality.

There's something some of you must not have understood: what we like, apparently, on this forum, we can call it more or less "epic music". That's a really small part of what is called "Production Music". The purpose of Production music is every kinds of productions: advertisement for a car, a washing machine, whatever, or movie/videogame trailers. Of course you won't put "epic music" for everything. But it will always be "Production music". So the jazz, or rock albums of WOM or Megatrax or what you want, IS really production music. What we love is a specific kind of production music, is orchestra & choir music. And unfortunately it's the smallest "field" of production music. So XRD still make production music, so it's still high-end music, but it's not what we specifically love. Don't worry, they're just alternating. They will come back (and not only XRD) with pure Orchestra & Choir albums. We still need this kind of music for movie trailers like... i don't know... the future trailers for Transformers 2, the next Harry Potter or Narnia.

well i like the rock cues too.....what now? :D

Yeah that can't be more true. It's the money before the quality.

There's something some of you must not have understood: what we like, apparently, on this forum, we can call it more or less "epic music". ... the next Harry Potter or Narnia.

Now that would be great: an ad for a new cleaning product with 'dark side of power' playing in the background. I'm sure the product would be an instant buy for my mother :)

Well you are right. We only listen to epic stuff. But it isn't limited to production music. I also listen to a lot of really epic soundtracks and also to some epic sounding rock (nightwish, rhapsody of fire, ...). But I still find that most good music is in production libraries just because soundtracks are usually used for underscoring. I really like choirs and they are usually in soundtracks but they put them usually faded away in the back. Production music does the opposite. They place the choir in the front and make it the most important part of a cue. If there would be more great great epic sounding cues with choirs in movie soundtracks we wouldn't have to resort to this trailer music hunting...

But I like what they did for the 'The Dark Knight' trailers. They used the original score from the movie. I think this is great cause it gives you a better feeling about the movie. The movie business should ask their movie soundtrack composers to write an extra trailer cue for each movie that fits the soundtrack. This results in more cohesion plus it can be published on the official movie ost...

The movie business should ask their movie soundtrack composers to write an extra trailer cue for each movie that fits the soundtrack. This results in more cohesion plus it can be published on the official movie ost...
Sometimes the trailer is made long before the movie score composer is even chosen.

HI, here's a link for the album nemesis by two steps from hell

and here, Dynasty:

Please neron8, remove your links now. Thank you :)
And please read again the topic title, and the previous pages to see that sharing is NOT allowed here, even more TSFH...

Licenturion, If you appreciate Nightwish and Rhapsody of Fire, I highly recommend you check out Kamelot! ;)

I think they used the Batman score for TDK's trailer mainly because it was such a fitting track. Ever since BB it has been that trademark melody that epitomizes the latest Batman, couple that with the dark and slightly dismal atmosphere, the usual epic music we all have come to love would just not be as good as the brooding superhero score. Did I mention it's such a nice track too? :) On another note, I found the music used in BB to be more emotive than in TDK. I love soundtracks like that.

Licenturion, If you appreciate Nightwish and Rhapsody of Fire, I highly recommend you check out Kamelot! ;)

Haha, I already have then. In my collection are Nightwish, Rhapsody of fire, Within Temptation, Epica, After Forever, Xandria, Tarja, Kamelot, Dreamquest, Luca Turilli, Imperia and much more :)

And on the topic of trailers with 'known' songs or movie scores. I just saw the trailer from the new Vin Diesel movies and it had the song 'Lux Aterna' from Requiem of a dream. Known songs make a trailer so much better/powerful for me :)

Maybe someone can help me to find the name of this Hans Zimmer Song in this Video ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpswAV2Yr0I

It would be very nice when someone can help me to find it :-)

Maybe someone can help me to find the name of this Hans Zimmer Song in this Video ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpswAV2Yr0I

It would be very nice when someone can help me to find it :-)

It's the theme from the King Arthur soundtrack although a modified seepd up version of the theme custom made by someone else. One of zimmer finest works imo.

It's the theme from the King Arthur soundtrack although a modified seepd up version of the theme custom made by someone else. One of zimmer finest works imo.

Thank you very much, for the fast help =)

Haha, I already have then. In my collection are Nightwish, Rhapsody of fire, Within Temptation, Epica, After Forever, Xandria, Tarja, Kamelot, Dreamquest, Luca Turilli, Imperia and much more :)


Slightly off-topic, I'll admit... but I commend your fantastic taste in music, sir. :-D

Out of curiosity but did the choir/orchestral component of some of those bands like Within temptation, Nightwish and Luca Turilli's projects, along with the singing style of pretty much all the female-vocalist bands you mentioned, did it have any influence on your interest in trailer music?

Cause for me I was listening to those bands then one day chanced upon E.S Posthumus' Unearthed then IM's TFOAC1 and the 'similarities', so to speak, started my production music journey lol. I know another friend that's into Brand X and he also listens to similar bands, but is more to the progressive power metal side like Dragonforce and Dream Theater.

Some sad news today, especially for trailer fans.

Don LaFontaine died today. His voice was heard in nearly every movie trailer made for the past few decades.


http://www.etonline.com/news/2008/09/64990/index.html

Out of curiosity but did the choir/orchestral component of some of those bands like Within temptation, Nightwish and Luca Turilli's projects, along with the singing style of pretty much all the female-vocalist bands you mentioned, did it have any influence on your interest in trailer music?

Cause for me I was listening to those bands then one day chanced upon E.S Posthumus' Unearthed then IM's TFOAC1 and the 'similarities', so to speak, started my production music journey lol. I know another friend that's into Brand X and he also listens to similar bands, but is more to the progressive power metal side like Dragonforce and Dream Theater.

Well that's exactly how it went yeah. It started with WT. They had their breakthrough with an epic song so I started to do research. Then I ended up with Nightwish... All the other bands followed. And then I found Immediate Music and X-Ray Dog. And the rest is is history :)

Some sad news today, especially for trailer fans.

Don LaFontaine died today. His voice was heard in nearly every movie trailer made for the past few decades.


http://www.etonline.com/news/2008/09/64990/index.html

Oh no :(

No more "In a world..."

Does anybody know music in first half of this video?
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3539153&categoryId=null&status=ok

Does anybody know music in first half of this video?
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3539153&categoryId=null&status=ok

Great music! But I don't know the name sorry :/

It's indeed wonderfull... but don't know it either :(

Some sad news today, especially for trailer fans.

Don LaFontaine died today. His voice was heard in nearly every movie trailer made for the past few decades.


http://www.etonline.com/news/2008/09/64990/index.html

What a shock when i read that! This guy is irreplaceable. That's a terrible news indeed.

Like you say, Laserschwert, no more "In a world...". I'm so sad :'(

I received my Live at Wembley and Trailerhead discs! I'm a bit disappointed with the sound quality, though. For instance, I can hear some hiss on some tracks such as Age of Discovery. Also, the Live at Wembley has some noise on the left channel. I use hi-fi headphones (Sennheiser HD595), so I'm not sure yet whether it's caused by my DVD player or something else.

By the way, the "Before the show" track on the DVD is actually the best one, I'd love if they provided a clean version (without the talk playing over it).

MrDream. I guess most of the music used in ESPN come from their own library. I thought it was Steve Jablonsky "Heart of an Athlete" from ESPN SportCentury but when I listen to it I can tell you it is not that cue. You can listen a sample of this great cue here http://www.hans-zimmer.com/fr/disco_detail.php?id=557
If you like music with nice female voices have a look at Jonathan Beaudette and listen to "Angle's Crusade" ....you might like it.
http://www.jonathanbeaudette.com/audio.php

By the way, the "Before the show" track on the DVD is actually the best one, I'd love if they provided a clean version (without the talk playing over it).

im think u can do something about that in video editing program coz it should have 6 channel audio so it possible to delete the channel with the talk... im not totally sure but there is some way:P

I received my Live at Wembley and Trailerhead discs! I'm a bit disappointed with the sound quality, though. For instance, I can hear some hiss on some tracks such as Age of Discovery. Also, the Live at Wembley has some noise on the left channel. I use hi-fi headphones (Sennheiser HD595), so I'm not sure yet whether it's caused by my DVD player or something else.

By the way, the "Before the show" track on the DVD is actually the best one, I'd love if they provided a clean version (without the talk playing over it).
I must be you ears that have the hissing sounds cause it sounds fine with me. I use a 150 € headphone from Philips with build in SRS sound filters no problems here... Also a bit of noise is normal since it's a live performance with an audience and not an isolated recording studio.



im think u can do something about that in video editing program coz it should have 6 channel audio so it possible to delete the channel with the talk... im not totally sure but there is some way:P

Yeah you can remove the voices with a sound editor program but you will create major sounds artifacts which will result in crippling sounds and...hissing :)

AFAIK the cost of removing vocals/voices from a full audio track isn't worth it. The resulting stream will sound weird, like its muffled or in a tunnel. Plus you will still hear some faint residual voices if you listen carefully.

Not too sure if having it in 6 channel audio changes that a little but yeah, this is my general experience with vocal removal.

I received my Live at Wembley and Trailerhead discs! I'm a bit disappointed with the sound quality, though. For instance, I can hear some hiss on some tracks such as Age of Discovery. Also, the Live at Wembley has some noise on the left channel. I use hi-fi headphones (Sennheiser HD595), so I'm not sure yet whether it's caused by my DVD player or something else.

By the way, the "Before the show" track on the DVD is actually the best one, I'd love if they provided a clean version (without the talk playing over it).

You're absolutely right, there's noise and hiss on the left channel, on a big part of the DVD. I hear them with a headphone and on my 5.1 sound system, for the 3 sound qualities: 2.0, AC3 5.1 and DTS 5.1. For the picture, it's not always fluid and there is sometimes blur and compression crap.

For Trailerhead, for what i've heard, it sounds good. All the tracks names have changed, it's a bit confusing. No booklet, for the DVD or Trailerhead. I think it's a shame.

For the next Immediate Music commercial releases, i wait more "powerful" tracklists (both Immediate or Globus).

But for an overall view, i'm so happy to have my first "real" trailer music disc.

Anyone mind doing a tracklist for those OSTs? I don't fancy plowing my way through hundred upon hundreds of pages to find the right OST. Sorry if I'm being offensive, but come on. Thanks for uploading regardless.

um... [Search]?... [Search This Thread]?
always worked for me :)

Anyone mind doing a tracklist for those OSTs? I don't fancy plowing my way through hundred upon hundreds of pages to find the right OST. Sorry if I'm being offensive, but come on. Thanks for uploading regardless.

OST? What are you talking about?

I got the information that the music that opens the Live at Wembley DVD is "Arcana" from their next album. I'm already waiting for that one :D