:naughty:

I couldn't resist either, with my tiny trailer music collection. =-O
anyway, the wait for TFOAC3 will be over soon.

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Hi guys. I'm new here.

new but I think well educated :D
Some friend told how works about Trailer/Imediate music. Not to get, but how to enter in this area. So I'm here now thanks our god GOOGLE :D
and funny that I was a member because of FF soundtracks but never think in look more further in this forum.

So reading here i got it not to asking about links too and Internet(GOOGLE) can be my only help to find the songs I want.

but when I try to find linkings here (hehehe never costs to try).. I remember about a trailer song from God of War 2 game that I want long time

It's terrific and epic. I think that I can be ask if anyone got her.

I try to contact Cris Velasco because I imagine he created the trailer song, but his inbox is always full... so I give up contact him.

link: God of War 2 Trailer (http://youtube.com/watch?v=uycTT_S2nH8) the song initiate on 0:43s exactly,after "Wherever city you destroy, the wrath of Olympus grow".

So... any suggestions how to look for this song trailer?

Thanks and I expected to came here more times from now on

Sorry for my bad english.

See ya

Sams

Welcome to the forums arcanosam !!!
and for some odd reason i feel so happy right now !!!=) my speakers are singing awesomeness !!!

Hey Vantan;

Will the new CD 'Trailerhead' be available to Canadians? If it is, I will buy it without hesitation.

Hey Vantan;

Will the new CD 'Trailerhead' be available to Canadians? If it is, I will buy it without hesitation.

well im not vantan but on this link http://web.mac.com/trailermusic1/iWeb/Imperativa/Immediate.html ..it says that it will be "Worldwide Availability". hope that helps.

I try to find linkings here (hehehe never costs to try).. I remember about a trailer song from God of War 2 game that I want long time

It's terrific and epic. I think that I can be ask if anyone got her.

I try to contact Cris Velasco because I imagine he created the trailer song, but his inbox is always full... so I give up contact him.

link: God of War 2 Trailer (http://youtube.com/watch?v=uycTT_S2nH8) the song initiate on 0:43s exactly,after "Wherever city you destroy, the wrath of Olympus grow".

So... any suggestions how to look for this song trailer?

It is Clash Of Empires by Groove Addicts.

thanks :D

Can I request theses trailer musics


THE Simspons MOVIE - Main Trailer 1#
Speed - Main Trailer
TMNT: The Lost Eps - Epic Promo previews

Can anybody provide me with both albums Dogs of War I & II by X-ray Dog? I really liked the demo when I first listened to it on their website. Anything! Here is my e-mail if anyone of you would be so kind. Yeah I know its lame: [email protected]

Hello I am new
I am looking at this forum for a while and I think I will finally get answers to my questions. I am currently looking for these albums:
- AudioMachine - The Platinum Series II
- Epic-Score - Epic Action & Adventure 3
- Immediate Music-Themes for Orchestra and Choir 3 Promo
- Pfeifer Broz Music - (all)
- Two Steps From Hell V.1
I would be very grateful if somebody could tell me where I could find them (I always falls on dead links ...)
Thank you in advance

Hello I am new
I am looking at this forum for a while and I think I will finally get answers to my questions. I am currently looking for these albums:
- AudioMachine - The Platinum Series II
- Epic-Score - Epic Action & Adventure 3
- Immediate Music-Themes for Orchestra and Choir 3 Promo
- Pfeifer Broz Music - (all)
- Two Steps From Hell V.1
I would be very grateful if somebody could tell me where I could find them (I always falls on dead links ...)
Thank you in advance

YES !!! Do you want a cookie too ? :loldata:

YES !!! Do you want a cookie too ? :loldata:

Sorry, I just wanted to know where one could find them

Sorry, I just wanted to know where one could find them

Here: Nowhere.

Sorry, I just wanted to know where one could find them
dude seriously, askin here for links will bring u to nowhere. just telling. no offense. its discussion only.

http://dory.mncast.com/mncHMovie.swf?movieID=10090261120080601022344&skinNum=1
korea ver."awake(2007)" trailer

Yes if anyone know the song from 1.12 to the end, please tell...

Ok fine.
I have another request: does somebody know the name of the music of this Tv Spot?
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=kmJQAEBBkPw&feature=related

simple

name of trailer song of The Dark Knight :D

cya folks

i need the song act of courage by x-ray dog and i am not sure how to access the server.. help?

i need the song act of courage by x-ray dog and i am not sure how to access the server.. help?
wut u mean by server ??? :cool:

i need the song act of courage by x-ray dog and i am not sure how to access the server.. help?

1) You don't 'Need' the song. You 'want' it.
2) There is no 'server' to which these songs are stored...good luck with that. Lemme know if you find it
3) Asking for a song by X-Ray Dog, or any other trailer music groups will get you no where. No one is allowed to post links to songs as requested by these companies.
4) This forum is for discussion only, to find out the names of songs used in a specific commercial, for example.

wut u mean by server ??? :cool:
I think he might be referring to mikeyai's ftp. It was taken down a while back.

simple

name of trailer song of The Dark Knight :D

cya folks

http://www.soundtrack.net/trailers/?cid=D&mid=5812

I think he might be referring to mikeyai's ftp. It was taken down a while back.
oh lol i wish him good luck.

and beside that, i have a question(only INFO, no link, no nothing), does anyone know on what Epic (the number) album is the song named "Reckoning" by Music Junkies ???
thx in advance.

Not sure if it's the right place to ask but does anyone know the name of the song in this KOTOR II trailer that starts at about 41 seconds?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7EaTWlh-mLA

Been looking for a name for ages.

Jp Perdition : it must be on Epic 6 I suppose, because it's not on 1 to 5.

woland u cant receive PMs gime me any contact on u. thnx!!!

Jp Perdition : it must be on Epic 6 I suppose, because it's not on 1 to 5.
many thx Shuyan !!! :D

its also not on epic 6...

its also not on epic 6...
oh no where then ??? :-(
u can listen to it at this link (its playin at 4:01) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-uuQpVbg4M
maybe that will help u to identify the album.
OR maybe its on some Action and tralala album....

well cant hear it clearly..that video sux. what is it? 12kbs? :D

well cant hear it clearly..that video sux. what is it? 12kbs? :D
lol idk i didnt check but u have to turn up ur volume and ull hear it more clearly.
EDIT : btw audio is 64 kps which is not good.

Its by Future World Music the track is called Reckoning



oh no where then ??? :-(
u can listen to it at this link (its playin at 4:01) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-uuQpVbg4M
maybe that will help u to identify the album.
OR maybe its on some Action and tralala album....

Its by Future World Music the track is called Reckoning
OMG I LOVE U :love: and guess wut, i had it lol:D....and whoa that guy on youtube fails at naming his own songs. :-P

all i did was search my collectiom for the song title, cant understand why u didnt do the same! :)


OMG I LOVE U :love: and guess wut, i had it lol:D....and whoa that guy on youtube fails at naming his own songs. :-P

all i did was search my collectiom for the song title, cant understand why u didnt do the same! :)
damn u are so right. stupid of me. wut i did was look at my music junkies music but didnt see Reckoning so i asked here. i still love u.

searching through our collections lol! i don't even think i've listened to all the trailer music i have yet :p

searching through our collections lol! i don't even think i've listened to all the trailer music i have yet :p

Me neither!! I guess I have "too much music" =) (although I don't know if it's possible to ever have too much music O:] )

searching through our collections lol! i don't even think i've listened to all the trailer music i have yet :p
i think marksman303 meant like searching using the search tool in windows. And yea lol searchin thru entire collection would take a long time ! ;)

anyone else found the tracklist for Trailerhead (and samples!)?

you can find it on amazon! it's really great! must have the physical release!

1. Prometheus Rising (TFOAC3)
2. An Epic Age
3. Lacrimosa Dominae
4. Serenata Immortale
5. Imperitum
6. Trial of the Archangel
7. Prelude to Paradise
8. The Reluctant Warrior (TFOAC3 but different)
9. Spiritus Omnia (the one people know as Lacrimosa)
10. Fides En Lucius Dei (the one people know as Serenata)
11. Shield of Faith
12. Onward to Freedom
13. Empyrean Mercenaries
14. Generations (TFOAC3)
15. Age of Discovery

Thanks Immediate :)

Thanks for the info ;)

Do you have an amazon link please ?

Thx Deepoo !!! wo0t another version of Prometheus !!! its probably gonna be epic like the original !!! =)

It's on iTunes too.
Artist: Immediate
Album: Trailerhead

For some reason they changed almost all the titles of the songs.

It's a good album but they should have used less Globus songs and more from TFOC3 Disk 1 IMO
But finally a public release so this is a big step forward. Thanks Vanton! :)

Amazon url (http://www.amazon.com/Trailerhead/dp/B001CQ67Z8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1216249354&sr=8-1)

that is the link I found, they removed it but it was in my history.. they also removed the samples.. guess I was lucky?
the Promotheus Rising is the same version on TFOAC3 if I am correct. Reluctant Warrior sounded different.

it is indeed strange that they changed some names, but I am very happy with the songs on this album! I can garantee The Immediate that I will buy it on the 24th of August, of pre-order it asap!

Amazon url (http://www.amazon.com/Trailerhead/dp/B001CQ67Z8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1216249354&sr=8-1)

that is the link I found, they removed it but it was in my history.. they also removed the samples.. guess I was lucky?
the Promotheus Rising is the same version on TFOAC3 if I am correct. Reluctant Warrior sounded different.

it is indeed strange that they changed some names, but I am very happy with the songs on this album! I can garantee The Immediate that I will buy it on the 24th of August, of pre-order it asap!

Reluctant Warrior is the same version as on TFOAC3. It sounded a bit different (slight change in percussion) on the promo where the song was called 'burden of honour'.

It's already for sale on iTunes Plus for 2 days. But not everybody likes iTunes of course. But you can listen samples there. Make sure to set the store to US otherwise you will get an unavailable error.

And I hope the people at Immediate Music do a good job in promoting this album otherwise it will go by unnoticed by many many people, which is a shame.

Ah yes, there was a mistake and the album went live 2 weeks early on July 15. I think it will be removed by tomorrow and then go live on the planned release date of July 29, when the physical CD will be ready as well.
...so it seems that the _proper_ release will be in two weeks time. The music is still "not available" though amazon, no sign of the album on CDbaby etc...

Still I find it a rather weird explanation... "there was a mistake"

^^ could be true cause it's removed from iTunes too now although you still can find it in the search results and listen to the samples

Btw I hope they release a new Globus album too.

It's on iTunes too.
Thanks Vanton! :)


i dont think its vanton's excellence.<_<

Shuyan - I need to talk to you, write to me on a mail box - [email protected]

^^ could be true cause it's removed from iTunes too now although you still can find it in the search results and listen to the samples

Btw I hope they release a new Globus album too.

i cannot find it, help me please.....

Just wanted to thank you guys for the archiving of all this music. :)

Just wanted to thank you guys for the archiving of all this music. :)

lol, where is archived all of this music? direct me pls :DD

It completly vanished on iTunes now. But it will be back in 2 weeks.

But don't worry getuol. It's nothing that you haven't heard already :)
So that makes the wait a bit more bearable :)

Does someone know what the great choral music is in the trailer of the Tomb Raider Underworld teaser? It's a really familiar classicial song but I don't know it's name.

It's a really great video too btw

http://www.gamersyde.com/news_6881_en.html

It's Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Requiem Mass in D minor - Lacrimosa

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanosam View Post
simple

name of trailer song of The Dark Knight

cya folks
http://www.soundtrack.net/trailers/?cid=D&mid=5812

thanks man :D

new question

anyone has the lyrics of:
Epic Score - Stand Tall
X-Ray Dog - Gothic Monsters
Groove Addicts - Clash of Empires

cya :D

A small preview of Trailerhead can be found here:

http://web.mac.com/trailermusic1/Imperativa/Media/FidesLucius.mp3

http://web.mac.com/trailermusic1/Imperativa/Media/Heavens%20Warriors.mov

http://web.mac.com/trailermusic1/Imperativa/Media/Witch%20Hunt.mov

Hmm strange, the sample here Fides and Lucius Dei is really Lucius Dei, but on the sample I heard on amazon, it's Serenata... didn't hear Lucius Dei on any sample though

Immediate Music new website is online!

hey guys how are you??
i hope thta find can somedoby please please send the links for epci mixes by music junkies and full tilt by groove addicts and obviusly legend and platinum series II, i really aprecciated for the persona that can do it to me thta favor
please please
and thanks for anticipate
bye and thanks guys

hey guys how are you??
i hope thta find can somedoby please please send the links for epci mixes by music junkies and full tilt by groove addicts and obviusly legend and platinum series II, i really aprecciated for the persona that can do it to me thta favor
please please
and thanks for anticipate
bye and thanks guys

lol

hey guys how are you??
i hope thta find can somedoby please please send the links for epci mixes by music junkies and full tilt by groove addicts and obviusly legend and platinum series II, i really aprecciated for the persona that can do it to me thta favor
please please
and thanks for anticipate
bye and thanks guys


Well... at least that's straight-forward... =)

NIETSZCHESEVEN... that name reminds me something :eye:

yes, elendil, He is that boyhttp://forums.ffshrine.org/images/smilies/erm.gif

yes, elendil, He is that boyhttp://forums.ffshrine.org/images/smilies/erm.gif

"that" boy?? Did I miss something?? How do you guys know 'him'?? =)

And he probably "needs" :loldata: the music for his YT account: http://www.youtube.com/NIETSZCHESEVEN :smrt: ;-)

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any news on TFOC3?

have u checked out the new immediate music website? AMAZING

im glad to see that Harry Potter 6 will feature IM music =):D
problably for the trailer itself.

im glad to see that Harry Potter 6 will feature IM music =):D
problably for the trailer itself.

I can't wait for that trailer, two passions coming together :cool:

I can't wait for that trailer, two passions coming together :cool:
oh yea !!! cant wait too !!! there has been many speculation bout the trailer's release date !!! it should be soon though. =)

i've also heard that IM did music for the DragonBall trailer! Hope we get that soon!

i've also heard that IM did music for the DragonBall trailer! Hope we get that soon!
yes they did. ( http://www.immediatemusic.com/core/news_detail.cfm?newsid=76 )

EDIT : and btw for ppl who are waitin like me for Harry potter 6 trailer, read this : http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/7/25/hbp-trailer-to-debut-on-aol-on-monday

http://www.megaupload.com/kr/?d=USVP9GLI


IMCDTOC3 DISC 1_02 Dark Side Of Power

http://www.megaupload.com/kr/?d=USVP9GLI


IMCDTOC3 DISC 1_02 Dark Side Of Power
ur playin against forum's rules son!! but i guess ull make some happy...

ur playin against forum's rules son!! but i guess ull make some happy...

Hahah no he won't.... look at the link...it's already dead =) someone seems to be on this forum 24-7, reporting links instantly =)

http://www.epicscore.com
download link pls ? thx.

http://www.epicscore.com
download link pls ? thx.

Sorry but you really aren't allowed to ask for that kind of music here... O:]

can anyone could know the name of this song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdwa8s2-Zb0

hehehe video is hillarious...

cya guys

The Trailerhead CD by Immediate Music is now available to buy!
The Live at Wembley DVD is also available to purchase!

http://www.imperativarecords.com/?page=store

You can also buy the .mp3 download version from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Trailerhead/dp/B001CQ67Z8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1217373381&sr=8-3).
It should be available from iTunes someday, I would guess. I'm surprised it isn't yet.

If anyone wants to support future releases, please buy this CD. I just did :)
Thank you Immediate Music!

Sadly, Amazon only sells MP3 albums for U.S. customers. Also, it seems that Imperativa Records does not ship internationally with registered mail service, so many international shippings will be lost.

Sadly, Amazon only sells MP3 albums for U.S. customers. Also, it seems that Imperativa Records does not ship internationally with registered mail service, so many international shippings will be lost.

Yes that is truly a shame. It will be available to countries outside the US through iTunes, but only if that that has an iTunes store. It's unfortunate that's the only option which may or may not be available for some people.

just bought 2 copies of trailerhead

just bought 2 copies of trailerhead
is it good ? awesome ? epic ?:confused:

Sadly, Amazon only sells MP3 albums for U.S. customers. Also, it seems that Imperativa Records does not ship internationally with registered mail service, so many international shippings will be lost.

Well, if they don't ship internationally, I'll be asking for a refund from them. I'm in Canada...

is it good ? awesome ? epic ?:confused:

the songs on it are good yes, songs from Orchestra and Choir albums, so you do the math. But I still have to receive the albums.

edit: ah I read some posts above, there might be a chance I have to ask for a refund too, but I emailed them about shipping internationally. Still waiting for the response. Otherwise I will try to do everything to get this CD anyway, legally of course.

Same thing, i bought the cd but i saw nowhere that they don't ship internationally. It would be a shame if it's only reserved for US.
At least if they don't ship internationally, they would written it in big and red on the main page.

[edit] i'm quite sure they ship outside US 'cause they sell Globus DVD in PAL or NTSC...

It's great there is finally a public release.

The only thing that I regret is that they completly mixed up the original titles. Don't see the purpose of that...

well elendil, together with you I will wait what they'll do. Since we live pretty close to each other, in relative terms speaking about continents ;)

@ DeePoo: yes, if you have yours, i think i can have mine ^^

@ Licenturion: don't know too why they did that. It's confusing.

Changing the names is indeed strange, I'm just glad the selection is quite good - gotta love the Imperativa and Serenata ones... or whatever they're called on the album.

Does anyone know if cdbaby will be selling this album (physical CD would be most welcome)?

Does anyone know if cdbaby will be selling this album (physical CD would be most welcome)?

Don't know. I ordered ine here : http://www.imperativarecords.com/?page=store

Let's wait now =)

They may ship internationally, but I think they do not use the registered mail option, since it would cost at least $12 with USPS. The problem with unregistered mail is that oftentimes the package is lost (according to my eBay experience, more than 70% international shippings are lost/embezzled when not registered).

according to my eBay experience, more than 70% international shippings are lost/embezzled when not registered
That's absolutely disgusting.

Ok, i'm looking for the music on that video:
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-6181094018912100568&q=ace+combat&ei=gtOQSPiTFIjM2wLZiNHNCg&hl=fr

Someone could tell me the title? Ty in advance

Ok, i'm looking for the music on that video:
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-6181094018912100568&q=ace+combat&ei=gtOQSPiTFIjM2wLZiNHNCg&hl=fr

Someone could tell me the title? Ty in advance

The song is called "Zero". It's from the Ace Combat Zero soundtrack.

thanks Finalblub.
That's strange, i've heard the entire soundtrack to find it but i must have missed it.
But i'm quite deceived, i think that the version of the video rocks better.
Anyway, thanks again mate ;)

Does anyone recieved Trailerhead already ?

Does anyone recieved Trailerhead already ?


YES.

It's on iTunes now as well for anyone who wants to get the album that way. I'm downloading it now. :)

I ordered the physical cd so I wanted to know if they shipped fast or not.

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I got 2 e-mails from Imperativa records.

One states that they will ship the 'Trailerhead' CD on August 10th.

The other does state that they do ship worldwide. So even Canadians will be able to get this.

The other does state that they do ship worldwide. So even Canadians will be able to get this.

I'm in France and I ordered it.

The world does not end at usa's border or near countries....:D Many of us are in europe.

Thanks for the date.

I'm in France and I ordered it.

The world does not end at usa's border or near countries....:D Many of us are in europe.

Thanks for the date.

Well, a lot of things are notorious for being 'U.S Only'. Amazon mp3 downloads are one example. Also, a lot of contests are 'Open to residents of U.S only', so when something ships worldwide, it's like "Wow, it's cause for celebration!"

...nevermind

EDIT: I just noticed the handy "Shipping and handling" calculator on the PayPal Trailerhead billing page...

Hey guys, I've been watching this thread for a while though I have refrained from posting until now due to the rather rude reception new users are known to receive here. I am not dumb enough to ask for or post links on a public forum, so don't worry. Nevertheless I have some information you all might be interested in. Here is the complete tracklist of Immediate Music - Themes for Orchestra and Choir 3:

Immediate Music - Themes for Orchestra and Choir 3

Disc 1
Prologue 0:47
Dark Side Of Power 1:52
Dark Side Of Power (No Choir) 1:52
Prometheus Rising 2:49
Prometheus Rising (No Choir) 2:49
Fury Unleashed 1:15
Fury Unleashed (No Choir) 1:16
Army Of Justice 1:38
Army Of Justice (No Choir) 1:37
Fate Of The World (No Choir) 1:42
Skull And Crossbones 0:45
Skull And Crossbones (No Choir) 0:45
War Games (No Choir) 1:54
Clash Of Titans 1:50
Clash Of Titans (No Choir) 1:50
Global Crisis 1 2:17
Global Crisis 1 (No Choir) 2:16
Global Crisis 2 1:15
Global Crisis 2 (No Choir) 1:15
We Have A Situation... (No Choir) 2:04
Devide And Conquer 2:18
Devide And Conquer (No Choir) 2:17
Final Conflict (No Choir) 0:52
With An Iron Fist 1:40
With An Iron Fist (No Choir) 1:39
The Dark Knight 1:51
The Dark Knight (No Choir) 1:51
The Dark Knight (End Only) 0:19
Carpathian's Stronghold (No Choir) 1:12
Sargon's Legion 2:24
Sargon's Legion (No Choir) 2:24
Slash And Burn (No Choir) 2:28
The Adventure (No Choir) 1:17
Superhero 2:00
Superhero (No Choir) 2:00
To Places Never Imagined... (No Choir) 2:25
Where Your Dreams Come True (No Choir) 2:44
Confronting The Dark Lord 1:52
Confronting The Dark Lord (No Choir) 1:54
Captain Adventure (No Choir) 1:48

Disc 2
Journey To The Front 1:47
Journey To The Front (NC) 1:47
Journey To The Front Hybrid 1:03
Return Of The King 2:00
Return Of The King (NC) 1:59
Generations 2:34
A Moment Of Greatness 2:28
A Moment Of Greatness (NC) 2:27
Rex Eternum 2:20
Rex Eternum (NC) 2:20
Reluctant Warrior 2:23
Reluctant Warrior (NC) 2:23
Mythos 2:40
Mythos (NC) 2:40
Mythos Female Voice Solo 0:54
A Hero Among Us 3:04
A Hero Among Us (NC) 3:04
Sacred Journey 2:02
Sacred Journey (NC) 2:03
Sacred Journey (No Drums) 2:02
Sacred Journey (No Drums) (NC) 2:02
The Brave Shall Rise 1:59
The Brave Shall Rise (NC) 1:57

Disc 3
Mystery of the Ages 2:28
Mystery of the Ages (NC) 2:28
For Honor and Glory 2:59
For Honor and Glory (NC) 2:59
A Call to Valor (NC) 1:18
There Comes a Time 2:28
There Comes a Time (NC) 2:27
To Rise Above 2:31
To Rise Above (NC) 2:31
Quiet Glory 2:08
Quiet Glory (NC) 2:07
Age of Discovery 3:48
Age of Discovery (NC) 3:48
Providence 2:33
Providence (NC) 2:32
Building A Better Dream (NC) 1:08
Waking Up in Pleasanton (NC) 2:27
Without A Prayer (NC) 2:53
Night At the Mausoleum (NC) 1:07
Mr. Wonderful (NC) 2:03
Daddy's Gotta Brand New Tail (NC) 1:12
The Way the Cookie Crumbles (NC) 1:36
Unfortunate Circumstances (NC) 1:17

Hope that is useful to some of you. Good luck in your searching, and if anyone does actual get Legend someday it would be nice if they could at least mention it's leaked so the rest of us can know it's actually possible to find.

i dont know if its old or if its me (i didnt see anyone post it here) but i saw that Future World Music posted a new volume on their website named Volume 9 - Water, Earth & Fire. Another release that i hope will be good. They didnt put the samples yet though =(

Ok. debatelord, tell me what use does a tracklist have? What do you think? and after thinking, what was the point of posting. I encourage you to not search for this music, you will not find it. It is hidden deep in LA.

Shuyan, you are looking for Legend? you want someone to contact you to help you find it? I knew that's not what you wanted lol. If I contact you it wont be because I have it, it'll be more troublesome.

Jp Perdition, Top Priority is the Audiomachine Platinum Series II Gladiators & Monsters. Umm, i'll doubt you'll ever get that one, so you go ahead and wait for a contact.

Ok. debatelord, tell me what use does a tracklist have? What do you think? and after thinking, what was the point of posting. I encourage you to not search for this music, you will not find it. It is hidden deep in LA.

Shuyan, you are looking for Legend? you want someone to contact you to help you find it? I knew that's not what you wanted lol. If I contact you it wont be because I have it, it'll be more troublesome.

Jp Perdition, Top Priority is the Audiomachine Platinum Series II Gladiators & Monsters. Umm, i'll doubt you'll ever get that one, so you go ahead and wait for a contact.
uh uh uh....who are u to say such things....first, Immediate Music TOC3 can be found on the internet, so dont say no one will cuz its "hidden", its not. Secondly, dont worry, ill get my hands on platinum series II. If u knew the power of internet, u would know its already on the net somewhere, private or not.

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Ok. debatelord, tell me what use does a tracklist have? What do you think? and after thinking, what was the point of posting. I encourage you to not search for this music, you will not find it. It is hidden deep in LA.

Shuyan, you are looking for Legend? you want someone to contact you to help you find it? I knew that's not what you wanted lol. If I contact you it wont be because I have it, it'll be more troublesome.

Jp Perdition, Top Priority is the Audiomachine Platinum Series II Gladiators & Monsters. Umm, i'll doubt you'll ever get that one, so you go ahead and wait for a contact.

I find the track list to be very relevant to this thread. I'm sure most here would agree you've never contributed anything though, except annoying, hostile and arrogant behavior.

uh uh uh....who am I to say such things...how dare I.... Look, the real TFOAC3 is hidden, but the fake ones, the ones you may find are surely out there. Don't worry if you don't understand this.

I understand the power of the internet, that's why I said I doubt you'll ever get it. But I clearly think you overlooked the purpose of my post. You should not be looking for any of this, that's the bottom line. There are many public releases coming in the future, from many of your favorite trailer companies. Think more about the future, and how you can help.

uh uh uh....who am I to say such things...how dare I.... Look, the real TFOAC3 is hidden, but the fake ones, the ones you may find are surely out there. Don't worry if you don't understand this.

I understand the power of the internet, that's why I said I doubt you'll ever get it. But I clearly think you overlooked the purpose of my post. You should not be looking for any of this, that's the bottom line. There are many public releases coming in the future, from many of your favorite trailer companies. Think more about the future, and how you can help.
i wont argue. its not hidden. lets talk bout something else please.

Robertz, you again. I don't know who you are (apparently you don't work for a company, you said that, but, who knows?), you say you know a lot of i-don't-know-what, but almost in all of your previous posts you were wrong (yes, read them again and compare with the situation of now, you'll see... if you know as much as you say). If you want details, please ask. And what's this mess with fake TFOAC3?? lol, man, is there really another guy that compose for free as well as Yoav Goren?
Once again, i don't know who you work for, what you know and what you have, but always coming here to lecture us, it's quite easy. At least with Vanton the situation is clear, we know for which company he works. But with no idea of who you are, why would we even read your warnings?

DELETE

At least, when composers or guys that work in compagnies come here, they respect us. If you come to tell us "stop asking for those albums, you won't have it", that is no use, go away.

If you are not working for a compagnie, then you have nothing to say to us about what we are looking for or what we have.

My message is for people that have Legend and want's to contact me for sharing (if you don't have it, it doesn't concern you).

I think that I've already seen that name Robertz or on chasingthefrog's forum (or some forum like that), sharing albums before it becomes forbiden by forum rules.

If you want to help Trailer Music compagnies, go on youtube and fight all the noobs that are uploading full tracks.


Look, the real TFOAC3 is hidden

Yeah, on my hard drive ;)


but the fake ones, the ones you may find are surely out there.

I'm looking for fake Legend, do you know where I can find it ? :)
(PS : stop drinking ;))


Dottorefell : that tracklist of Legend is strange. How comes no choir versions and alternatives are on CD1 ? O_o

Ok, let me take a step back. I might have said too little to get my point across. But in any case, I still stand by what I say. I just think you have truly misunderstood anything I have said. If you disagree with me, for whatever reason, then in your true opinion you think that continuing to share this music (privately or not) is supposed to make this music more freely available? I think that once you become a composer, or a manager, or when business really comes at you, you will see this situation from a different viewpoint.

On a lecture note, I can't possibly be lecturing, can I? You have choices. You don't have to do anything I say. I only say it for your benefit. You guys know what I mean by fakes, stop being foolish.

thank you dottoforel, good to see it's a 2CD set

You guys know what I mean by fakes, stop being foolish.
I'm sorry i really don't know what you mean, if you can lighten this. If the TFOAC3 i have is fake, then yes, like Shuyan, i'm looking for a fake Legend too :D
So now i think we can stop this discussion here, and continue talking about, i don't know... Trailerhead, etc...
And please robertz don't come again to post such messages. At least, if you know sooo much, you can post really more interesting things.

PS: I think too that posting tracklistings is pointless. What a step forward to get the tracklist :notgood:

Well I was really glad that the rude behaviour and the 'i have it but you can't' behaviour was finally over. Now robertz tries to start the fire again with a few untactfull comments. 13 posts in total, nothing usefull, all crap, lecturing or rising above others. This kind of behaviour against new people makes me really pissed so I'm gonna be as harsh as you are. Keep on dreaming my boy. All the other albums can indeed be found on the internet, producer or not. God like you or not. I'm talking about Legend, Dreams & Imaginations, Argos, Top Dog and TFOAC3.

[removed to protect his integrity]

Yeah, on my hard drive ;)



LMAO!!! hahaha nice one

I think you guys made your point, now stop fighting :)

@elendil - While posting tracklists may not have a direct point, I would think it would help let others know the album is out there an can be found, since someone couldn't have posted a tracklist unless it had leaked somewhere. That could be useful to some....

not necessarily, there are people who are more than willing to give tracklists, but not albums

yeah so the conclusion:

some people just try to let people see a tracklist so they might know how many tracks an album contains..
other people let it see to make others envious...

I liked to know that Legend has 2 CDs.

As for people who try to make others envious of them: I always ignore them, when no-one reacts to them, they have no fun imo.

guys, guys .... stay cool.8-)

lets talk about tailer music. what do you think about this company:
http://www.leakybrainmusic.com/leakybrain.htm

listen to the samples. this guy , brian rogers, composes for many companies like xraydog, wildwhirled, etc..

thx qetuol for the link ! :D
i liked Hammer of Justice and Invictus, good songs !

or what about..........

www.killertracks.com

brian rogers, pretty good..

I got this reply from Imperativa Records regarding international registered shipping:


If you would like to pay for registered mail we can charge a credit card an extra amount of $11.00 in order to cover the mailing cost. When you order add a note to us that you would like to send via registered mail and we will ask to run your credit card.

I think it's worth registering the package to avoid some headaches in the future as I had with some other products.

cool , yes, so worth to do that!

ah let's hope that's also possible when ordering with PayPal

If you need it for a school play, you should contact them directly at:parodifair
at the bottom of the website there is an email address. Some companies allow limited use of their songs in school plays (I've read TSFH does) so you should ask the producers directly. A school play is something public, you should not use any unlicenced song you got by illegal means for that! There might be lawyers in your audience... As producers often want to support schools, you should really give it a try and ask them.

Sorry,KMB Is it real or not?
I am not planning to prepare for a school play or something like that.
In my opinion,i just think its funny or not pratical for a company to support a "Client",maybe,for making a school play. LOL
As for �donating� a cue,will it be possible to decrease its WORTH in the future?

Sorry,KMB Is it real or not?
I am not planning to prepare for a school play or something like that.
In my opinion,i just think its funny or not pratical for a company to support a "Client",maybe,for making a school play. LOL
As for �donating� a cue,will it be possible to decrease its WORTH in the future?


I think it's real, I read it on some comanies' websites. It will not decrease a cue's worth in the future, as it will not be made free and public, but only licenced for use in the play (the number of people who actually watch a certain school play is very limited).
And maybe it IS practical, if they do not just think about today (as many companies do) but also about the day after tomorrow: A person organizing a school play and looking for music might work in advertisement or movie production later, and if that person already has a good opinion of a certain company (because they let him use a cue for free when he was a student) this would be the first company to ask if he wants to licence something for money. So it's a kind of advertisement for the company, not just a donation.

winzip cheating us
winrar makes computer very painfullllllll
use IZarc, FREE WARE (warning: watch about file association when install/running program)

winzip cheating us
winrar makes computer very painfullllllll
use IZarc, FREE WARE (warning: watch about file association when install/running program)

Excuse me,why would you say that?But its being widely used in the whole world now. On the other hand,most people probably wont be care about whats going on with the install/running program.=)

I think it's real, I read it on some comanies' websites. It will not decrease a cue's worth in the future, as it will not be made free and public, but only licenced for use in the play (the number of people who actually watch a certain school play is very limited).
And maybe it IS practical, if they do not just think about today (as many companies do) but also about the day after tomorrow: A person organizing a school play and looking for music might work in advertisement or movie production later, and if that person already has a good opinion of a certain company (because they let him use a cue for free when he was a student) this would be the first company to ask if he wants to licence something for money. So it's a kind of advertisement for the company, not just a donation.

Yeah, the student who succeeds in making a school play may disseminate the companies' reputation accidentally=)

guys, guys .... stay cool.8-)

lets talk about tailer music. what do you think about this company:
http://www.leakybrainmusic.com/leakybrain.htm

listen to the samples. this guy , brian rogers, composes for many companies like xraydog, wildwhirled, etc..

Thanks, this guy is great!!! I love the track "Suicide Mission", which was used in the Eragon trailer. It's great to know there are more songs out there made by him. =)

@ LGGuy16, i dont see Suicide Mission on his website. did u listen to that song on his website ?

Does anyone know what the name of the trailer music that was used for the Lord of the Rings the Return of the King trailer?

@ LGGuy16, i dont see Suicide Mission on his website. did u listen to that song on his website ?

yes it is Jp Perdition, I listened to it a while back on the LeakyBrain website,,, it's freely downloadable on the artists website:

http://www.leakybrainmusic.com/mp3/Suicide%20Mission.mp3

have fun =) , it's a great track

Thx alot man !!! :D Its indeed a great song !

New Composer join us now!

CAN SOMEone Please Reupload DYNASty I have Promo For Themes and Orchestra 3 please someone

Some One Please re-Upload Dark Side Of Power Or Cd 1 Please??=[

Some One Please re-Upload Dark Side Of Power Or Cd 1 Please??=[

go away!

does anyone know where i can get the Vienna C.F.H album? i can't find it anywhere. If that can't happen could you post a link where i can download DNA Reaction with choir and with no choir?

could you post a link where i can download DNA Reaction with choir and with no choir?

schleamon, you should really read the name of this board... it says "[Discussion Only]". You can't ask for links here, and certainly not in your first post!

Hello everybody ;)

Anybody knows what is the song in Appaloosa trailer?

http://welcometoappaloosa.warnerbros.com/

This movie rules :p
Thx a lot.

This is Audiomachine - The Platinum Series I (Disc 3) - House of Cards

Thanks man ;)

does anyone know where i can get the Vienna C.F.H album? i can't find it anywhere. If that can't happen could you post a link where i can download DNA Reaction with choir and with no choir?

Look at youtube, maby you can find one who has them.
i thouhgt a person named Scungilli102
( at youtube) has them and really likes to send them to anbody =P

Hello, anyone know about the music on this vid ?

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=PbXak7mhyPo


And about this one too (I know it has already been asked, but there is just too many pages)

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZnS4uSGCkg

Thanks :D

Hello, anyone know about the music on this vid ?

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=PbXak7mhyPo


And about this one too (I know it has already been asked, but there is just too many pages)

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZnS4uSGCkg

Thanks :D

First video:
Epic Pressure by Music Beyond/Musikvergnuegen (Action/Adventure Trailers)

Second video:
Inquisitions by Music Beyond/Musikvergnuegen (Action/Adventure Trailers)

First video:
Epic Pressure by Music Beyond/Musikvergnuegen (Action/Adventure Trailers)

Second video:
Inquisitions by Music Beyond/Musikvergnuegen (Action/Adventure Trailers)
oh no damnit, u beat me to it !!!:-( by one minute...

Wow that was fast.
Thanks a lot finalblub :D

Thanks finalblub !!! ))

I know its not trailer music, but does anyone know any details regarding the music that was played during the opening ceremony of the olympics? especially the song that played during the "ocean journey" scene.

Hello everyone! A things I must invovle in this post.

The song at the end of this trailer, it plays right after Riddick says the line "I' am the monster".
http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/thechroniclesofriddick

Is apparently a song by Logan Mader called: End Rush. Which is hard to believe because he creates music that's more rock than anything. Based on what soundtrack.net states. I've found/listened to all the songs listed for the trailer and the one I can't find "to be sure" is the end rush song. So I actually don't even know if it's the right song or not. Does anyone have at least a sample of the song?

Secondly: I have an Epic music club. Not completely trailer music, but definitely has some mentioning due to the fact that most great epic music does seem to come from trailer companies.

The link is here:
http://forum.nihonomaru.com/marus-clubs-59/epic-music-fan-club-43989.html

If you do plan on joining the club, when registering, it would be nice if you used my name as a referral.

Thanks for your time! ^_^

I certainly will quote your name Exofluke.

You are sharing music I own and therefore are open to legal proceedings. I will be informing this lovely forum of this and if they or you don't remove all links to Globus and Immediate Music copyrights, your collar will start getting rather warm.

This forum has been very good at respecting our rights, please do the same, you didn't post a direct link but it does indirectly

Your choice

^^
I see Vanton is still with us :)
I have a question for you: is there a brand new Globus album planned for 2008 or will it be 2009?

^^
I see Vanton is still with us :)
I have a question for you: is there a brand new Globus album planned for 2008 or will it be 2009?

Its being worked on but as I have always said we need Epicon to reach a wider audience first.

Epicon will be released properly in the US shortly - different sleeve, different track listing so.....

To answer a few other questions that I noticed - The Globus DVD is being shipped in Europe from my office and I hope to do the same for Trailerhead (I have no stock yet)

I was very happy when I saw the DVD - even mixed in DTS

Another live show is in the pipeline as well, this time bigger and more bold

OMG... direct links to Immediate Music, Globus, X-Ray Dog and so... you must be crazy showing that here, Exofluke.
And, by the way, yes, all what you call "Epic Music" IS Trailer Music actually. All the music you share (illegally), like ES Posthumus, Extreme Music, Music Junkies... are production music companies.

While we all like the "Trailerhead" album - here's a quite critical review: http://www.filmmusicsite.com/soundtracks.cgi?id=1575&view=7407&lang=en . I find it mostly misguided, but then again - not everyone has to ba a trailer music fanboy :p (although "The compositions are weak, mediocre, repetitive, and simply copies of Hans Zimmer and his now famous Media Ventures sound" made me smile)

Care to share any thoughts on this?

Geyzer, that's simple. The guy who made the review is a movie soundtrack fan. He disliked Trailerhead, because it reminded him Zimmer and thaught they copied him. I think he was waiting for something else (what? i don't know...). Of course trailer music is more structured than movie soundtrack, and on this point he was wrong when he said: "Of course, we are talking about film scoring vs. trailer scoring, but I believe the same musical principals govern both forms of scoring". I disagree: for me, movie soundtrack must fit the movie, so it's not repetitive, but can become a mess, contrary to trailer music, which is strutured (listen to this Y. Goren interview: http://www.filmmusicsite.com/media/interviews/Interview%20Immediate%20Music.mp3 ), and, for him, is repetitive.
But when he says: "The compositions are weak, mediocre"... hmmm... i think most of movie soundtracks are way more weak and mediocre, because you have to do the music for a whole film. I'm not saying movie soundtrack is crap, because i love some of them, but when a movie soundtrack has no melody and it's purpose is just to have a background to the film, without a theme, then ok, it's not repetitive, but it's hugely weak and mediocre.
And for the copies of Zimmer... hahaha... what did Zimmer created? Oh, yes, Media Ventures... a production music company... of course this is the same genre of music, but there's no one track in trailerhead that can be a copy of a Zimmer track.
Ohhh, and Zimmer, Zimmer, Zimmer, Zimmer, Zimmer... i think he's a huge fan of Zimmer and don't understand how someone else dares to do music which looks like Zimmer's one. So of course it's obviously worse.

To conclude, he's not a trailer music fan, that's all :D.

While we all like the "Trailerhead" album - here's a quite critical review: http://www.filmmusicsite.com/soundtracks.cgi?id=1575&view=7407&lang=en . I find it mostly misguided, but then again - not everyone has to ba a trailer music fanboy :p (although "The compositions are weak, mediocre, repetitive, and simply copies of Hans Zimmer and his now famous Media Ventures sound" made me smile)

Care to share any thoughts on this?

lol this critique is pure bullshit. I really had to force myself to read on after "The compositions are weak, mediocre, repetitive, and simply copies of Hans Zimmer and his now famous Media Ventures sound".
Hanz Zimmer/Media Ventures and Immediate Music are so totally different ... I wouldn't even think of such a comparison.

"Imperitum is one of the most blatant rip-offs of Hans Zimmer I�ve ever heard. I don�t know how Zimmer could not sue and get damages for Copyright infringement, especially after listening to the first 45 seconds or so"

If I should choose the most stupid comment of the review, I'd probably pick this one. (even though the choice would be hard)

Seriously, this guy has no idea what he is talking about. If I wouldn't know otherwise, I'd think he is talking about an other album.
No matter if he likes or dislikes trailer music - the critique fails imo.

I'll take it no one has any idea about the song in the Chronicles of Riddick trailer.....
Ah well... thanks anyways =D

"The U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act is much more strict and deems copying of copyrighted music (with the exception of making a copy for your own use) as illegal. The U.S. Code protects copyright owners from the unauthorized reproduction, adaptation or distribution of sound recordings, as well as certain digital performances to the public. In more general terms, it is considered legal for you to purchase a music CD and record (rip) it to MP3 files for your own use. Uploading these files via peer-to-peer networks would constitute a breach of the law."

The trailer music...yea...that'll definitely go. D=

I really had to force myself to read on after "The compositions are weak, mediocre, repetitive, and simply copies of Hans Zimmer and his now famous Media Ventures sound".

eh, heh heh - nice teaser, wasn't it?

Anyways... I think that review should also be followed by "don't feed the trolls" message, since that's what that author tried to achieve, methinks :).

It was just so contradictory to... you know, common knowledge:
- Emmy award for IM
- interview with John Beal (I think) when he said how sometimes film score IS based on trailer music used to promote music in the first place
- huge demand for that kind of music
- (the list goes on... oh, oh - Beijing Olympics NBC coverage anyone?)
... that I felt obliged to post it somewhere :D

Reviews on www.filmmusicsite.com are not professional cause everyone can write and post one.

The review is completly wrong on many aspects. And not one tracks sounds like Media Ventures. And if it would be that wouldn't be a problem cause the Media Ventures composers are the best selling movie soundtracks for years. In fact I legally own probably 60% of them...

Anyway Trailerhead gets a solid 8.5/10 from me. It would have been even higher if there was more 'heavy stuff' on it...

And a new tracklist for the US Epicon album. So that means one or more new songs? :)

I sampled the music on iTunes and found that the majority was just music used in the Epicon album, but without lyrics? I don't think this album is very appealing though. It could have been louder...lol and for it to be similar to Hans Zimmer? right, maybe pigs can fly? O_o

I preferred more hard stuff as well on Trailerhead. But not everyone likes the hard trailermusic. So I think they did well to make a few hard and a few soft. Get a bigger public this way...

I sampled the music on iTunes and found that the majority was just music used in the Epicon album, but without lyrics? I don't think this album is very appealing though. It could have been louder...lol and for it to be similar to Hans Zimmer? right, maybe pigs can fly? O_o

Would you prefer trailer music with lyrics?
In my opinion this ruins the music. It's like two different genres mixed together which doesn't fit at all.

I'm happy that Trailerhead is a real trailer music album. They've used many great tracks. Definitely a good beginning.

I agree finalblub! amen to that

Would you prefer trailer music with lyrics?
In my opinion this ruins the music. It's like two different genres mixed together which doesn't fit at all.

I'm happy that Trailerhead is a real trailer music album. They've used many great tracks. Definitely a good beginning.

It really depends on how loud and fast the music is. Songs like Preliator, Diem Ex Dei and Sarabande Suite are much more powerful, in epic value, with lyrics. Yet the other slower rise songs like Orchard Of Mines or Mighty Rivers Run shouldn't need lyrics.

I just adore epic music and to me, parts like the end of Diem Ex Dei and such doesn't get more epic than it already has and having lyrics just gives it a bigger plus.

Oe disagree with that :$

It really depends on how loud and fast the music is. Songs like Preliator, Diem Ex Dei and Sarabande Suite are much more powerful, in epic value, with lyrics. Yet the other slower rise songs like Orchard Of Mines or Mighty Rivers Run shouldn't need lyrics.

I just adore epic music and to me, parts like the end of Diem Ex Dei and such doesn't get more epic than it already has and having lyrics just gives it a bigger plus.

Lyrics do not make these songs sound more powerful !

Take a look at Preliator's lyrics. Unlike most others they don't sound like pop vocals, they go quite well with the trailer music genre.
One reason therefor is that they're more in the background most of the time.

I agree that Preliator is more powerful than the original track, but that's not due to the fact that it contains vocals.
It's completely remastered. Nearly twice the length of Lacrimosa. Twice more time to build up tension, which I think was done very well.
The final part is just way longer, it builds up more and more tension + drums are added etc. - that's why it's more powerful.

I'd have no problem if they give the current tracks even more impact by increasing the length and put in stronger build-up's.
Preliator is a good example of how this can work and how vocals can fit this genre but mostly the music is better without vocals.
Instruments and choir should always be the main elements, because that's what makes it sound like trailer music. That's what makes it sound epic.

Lyrics do not make these songs sound more powerful !

Take a look at Preliator's lyrics. Unlike most others they don't sound like pop vocals, they go quite well with the trailer music genre.
One reason therefor is that they're more in the background most of the time.

I agree that Preliator is more powerful than the original track, but that's not due to the fact that it contains vocals.
It's completely remastered. Nearly twice the length of Lacrimosa. Twice more time to build up tension, which I think was done very well.
The final part is just way longer, it builds up more and more tension + drums are added etc. - that's why it's more powerful.

I'd have no problem if they give the current tracks even more impact by increasing the length and put in stronger build-up's.
Preliator is a good example of how this can work and how vocals can fit this genre but mostly the music is better without vocals.
Instruments and choir should always be the main elements, because that's what makes it sound like trailer music. That's what makes it sound epic.

Well, I only got the samples for now. Until I get 25 bucks and pick up another iTunes card from the store. Are there any songs on Trailerhead that might fit what we're talking about? Of course I'm assuming the samples are complete trash....

Well, I only got the samples for now. Until I get 25 bucks and pick up another iTunes card from the store. Are there any songs on Trailerhead that might fit what we're talking about? Of course I'm assuming the samples are complete trash....

Globus should do the same as Nightwish when they release a new album. Make a 2 disk set. One with the songs (with vocals) and one with the instrumentals.

As for trailerhead, it are the original trailer music recordings what everybody was asking for. Not the 'enhanced' songs from Globus.

I'm actually wondering what most people like in the trailermusic department? Soft/romantic stuff or the more heavy stuff.

I personally like more the heavy stuff with lots of percussion like lacrimosa, blaphemous 2, ultimatum, infernalis, skulls&crossbones, with iron fist... But I guess that's a bit too 'hardcore' to release :p

Licenturion, it's not to hard to release. They just released Lacrimosa on Trailerhead. I believe they release soft and hard songs to reach a bigger public.

I'm actually wondering what most people like in the trailermusic department? Soft/romantic stuff or the more heavy stuff.


Epic Heavy Orchestra with Powerful Choir FTW !!! O:]

I'm actually wondering what most people like in the trailermusic department? Soft/romantic stuff or the more heavy stuff.


Anything with a powerful choir in it like Lacrimosa. Hearing the 'non-choir' versions makes you feel like 'something' is missing.

We need more albums republic..hope the producers will hear fan's heart voice

We need more albums republic..

then buy the current ones and support the companies to make them think about another release! but if you all download that stuff via p2p networks and co. the companies wont care about your wishes and hopes for new public releases.

yes, we want to pay for all, but a bit album is released public, we need be stranger, I mean the fans team..

and composers should know some fans' voice..

some business men donnot care about the fans' voice, and they just do work for film industy,

but I want to say, Never ignore the fans' power!

Let us all be patience, and be thankfull for this release. Let us say thanks to the creators and after a few weeks, we can ask for more. But only if you bought it ;)

Because that's the entire thing about the album. We don't know how many people will buy it, and what kind of a succes it will be. If it will be a succes, more will follow, that should be obious.

then buy the current ones and support the companies to make them think about another release! but if you all download that stuff via p2p networks and co. the companies wont care about your wishes and hopes for new public releases.

Exactly.

We listened to you, in fact this forum helped us make the decision.

Any artist, on average releases maybe one album a year, the fact that people have obtained our music by "hook or by crook" means you are ahead of the game.

We now need to see if this is a viable project.

I had to warn macliu only today about posting pirated material on Rapidshare on another forum, rapidshare took it down and blacklisted with 65 minutes.

You guys are in a prime position to help make this genre popular, maybe spend a little more time helping the cause rather than ensuring future public releases will not happen because you simply steal the music.

FFshrine and its members seem to have understood our problems, however being educated here and posting elsewhere or swapping in private messages hardly helps.

First, I want to thanks ffshrine.org and ffshrime's administrator, you rock, this forum is fantastic!!

Indeed, Vanton, you do the great works and thank you brings us Trailerhead.and I think My Copy is shipping in my home way!

And then, I want to say:

There is not any links in my forum now, my forum just discuss music and information, some other is about fans friends' life and real think.

you all guys can check yourself! if you donnot believe, you can check it yourself! (http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=27044)

We need friends and true fans.

No music share and music links,

If some one wants get links or illegal music, GO AWAY!

I just want make fans together! and some other composers also want to know what's the listener think about that.

So I just want to do something for fans and composers.

And music industy is yours, also is ours!

Just it!

and thanks for your reminding!

FFshrine and its members seem to have understood our problems, however being educated here and posting elsewhere or swapping in private messages hardly helps.

Actually, I think it does. I, for once, started enjoying trailer music with X-Ray Dog online demos... and been addicted ever since :). If there wasn't for p2p networks, my adventure would have probably ended back then.

Another thing is, that you guys at IM and other studios would probably want exactly that... well - who can blame you (um, maybe we fans can :p) for having a different audiences in mind. And while releasing the a public CD sure is a huge step forward, I doubt it would have happened if the music wasn't already made popular by p2p exchange.

Unauthorized file sharing will continue when there's big enough demand - good thing is, that while trying to obtain everything that can be downloaded (leaked newer releases) the fans actually bother to keep it quiet and buy the goodies that are for sale. (ordering Trailerhead, The Savage Tongue, Trailer Project: Coming Soon etc. IS what we do...)

Just my 2 cents.

Is There A Link where you can download TFOAC 3?

There is not any links in my forum now, my forum just discuss music and information, some other is about fans friends' life and real think.

you all guys can check yourself! if you donnot believe, you can check it yourself! (http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=27044)



Come on Macliu - you know I had to PM you about this, at first you said no there was nothing then after showing you, it dissappeared pretty quickly.

You don't want me to post your denials and the screenshot of your forum that had to be made to get rapidshare take the file down do you?

It was a fair cop, hold yer hands up.

Glad you ordered the album, Hang on..... You are in China? let me see the order list.... nope none ordered from China

Hmmmm..

First I want to say: I just post a demo music of IM(it is from your IM myspace),
I give a invite to you , and when I know you donnot want Demo appear in our forum, so I remove at once as you like.

and then, other question,
I let my American friend to pay for it for me!!
Your Service is not complete, and if I pay for it by my china credit card, I am wonder it will ship in my hand?

But the music is best CD.
THX :)

Glad you ordered the album, Hang on..... You are in China? let me see the order list.... nope none ordered from China

Hmmmm..

Hey vanton, are you able to tell us how people have ordered the album. I am just curious as to what your sales goal is and how close are you to reaching it?

P.S. I ordered mine. It should be going to an address in Virginia if you'd like to check ;-)

^^ it's a bit soon to reach the sales goal I think :)

Unless they planned to sell 100 cd's :p

Is There A Link where you can download TFOAC 3?

there probably is one SOMEWHERE on the internet, but it's very well hidden. No one here knows it or wants/is allowed to tell you about it. So you won't find it here. sorry

LGGuy16, ignore that fag, that's the better way. If you want to do something for him, then teach him how to read ;)

Vanton : I think many of us understood that we needed to buy Trailerhead.
I bought it (even if I already had original tracks)
Unfortunatly, many peoples just think about their ass (sorry about my language but it's true)
They just take the music and don't care about peoples that takes risk for giving it to us, and do not care about Trailer Music compagnies. I4m taling about the idiots that pretend to love compagnies and are posting full tracks on youtube.
I already tried to make them understand that in posting a track and making it popular, they kill compagnies. I've been insulted.

So Vanton, I have a question for you. Why don't IM make youtube close accounts of guys that are posting full tracks ?
They are many tracks from TFOAC3 already online.

Good question Shuyan. I wonder that in regards to many copyright holders.

Though, sadly, I think YouTube is the least of vanton's worries. :(

I think most copyright holders except Viacom have pretty much given up on YouTube. Still you guys are right, trailer music is definitely a paradox in that the newly emerging legitimate market for trailer music would not exist if it wasn't for the black market that previously existed in trading trailer music. One thing I learned in economics class is that where the legitimate market is unable to meet demand, a black market will emerge that can. Perhaps that is something trailer music companies should consider more--instead of worrying about whether releasing music to the public will ruin their market (and I think we've already seen it won't), they should look at in in terms of the fact that the music is going to leak to the public one way or another, so why not sell it legitimately and make an extra profit off it.

I think most copyright holders except Viacom have pretty much given up on YouTube. Still you guys are right, trailer music is definitely a paradox in that the newly emerging legitimate market for trailer music would not exist if it wasn't for the black market that previously existed in trading trailer music. One thing I learned in economics class is that where the legitimate market is unable to meet demand, a black market will emerge that can. Perhaps that is something trailer music companies should consider more--instead of worrying about whether releasing music to the public will ruin their market (and I think we've already seen it won't), they should look at in in terms of the fact that the music is going to leak to the public one way or another, so why not sell it legitimately and make an extra profit off it.
+1 to that !

instead of worrying about whether releasing music to the public will ruin their market (and I think we've already seen it won't),

Just a question, how have we seen it won't?

+1 debatelord, you're so right.

+1 - Absolutely with you it agree and completely I support, debatelord.

Hey vanton, are you able to tell us how people have ordered the album.

P.S. I ordered mine. It should be going to an address in Virginia if you'd like to check ;-)

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1. No

2. Please check via the website - if you submitted an address that will be where it is being sent

LGGuy16, ignore that fag, that's the better way. If you want to do something for him, then teach him how to read ;)

Vanton : I think many of us understood that we needed to buy Trailerhead.
I bought it (even if I already had original tracks)
Unfortunatly, many peoples just think about their ass (sorry about my language but it's true)
They just take the music and don't care about peoples that takes risk for giving it to us, and do not care about Trailer Music compagnies. I4m taling about the idiots that pretend to love compagnies and are posting full tracks on youtube.
I already tried to make them understand that in posting a track and making it popular, they kill compagnies. I've been insulted.

So Vanton, I have a question for you. Why don't IM make youtube close accounts of guys that are posting full tracks ?
They are many tracks from TFOAC3 already online.

Thanks for understanding.

Youtube - we do police this and Youtube do their best, we just got one guy off for repeatedly infringing. We try to contact people before we take that action and try and educate.

I think most copyright holders except Viacom have pretty much given up on YouTube. Still you guys are right, trailer music is definitely a paradox in that the newly emerging legitimate market for trailer music would not exist if it wasn't for the black market that previously existed in trading trailer music. One thing I learned in economics class is that where the legitimate market is unable to meet demand, a black market will emerge that can. Perhaps that is something trailer music companies should consider more--instead of worrying about whether releasing music to the public will ruin their market (and I think we've already seen it won't), they should look at in in terms of the fact that the music is going to leak to the public one way or another, so why not sell it legitimately and make an extra profit off it.

Its interesting this comparison on legal and black market.

I covered this many moons ago but its worth mentioning again, buying an album does not give you the right to put the music together with moving images or stills for that matter.

Our business model is based almost purely on this - its called synchronisation.

This is not just Trailer music - read any CD - the little writing around the edge

Vanton, you mentioned earlier that there will be a new Globus album with different tracklisting, booklet for US release. If it's out in the future, is it possible to order in the EU too when it's released? I ask this cause I finally want the actual physical disks in my collection instead of iTunes MP3s.

Secondly I hope this album becomes a big succes. I hope the trailer music fans here will help but don't forget that a bit of promo on sites like soundtrack.net, tracksounds and filmtracks can do wonders too reach a wider audience. Posthumus had a promo campaign on these sites too when their new album got released. We know about the album here but there is a huge mass of people out there that don't have a clue about trailer music. I redirected friend and collegues to the samples on iTunes already an the reaction was usually 'WOW'...

Thirdly, that Larry Group� album says 'available winter 2009'. Shouldn't this be 2008? Cause it seems strange to announce an album with samples more than a year in advance... And there is already a "Buy it now" button on the website of imperative too.

You said different tracklisting. I hope 'porque tu vas' gets replaced with something more sensible on the US version :) lol

Argh, every single one of these links are dead.

Is there no hope for Immediate Music/X-Ray Dog fans? :(

Argh, every single one of these links are dead.

Is there no hope for Immediate Music/X-Ray Dog fans? :(

Yes there is. Here ya go!
(http://www.imperativarecords.com/?page=detail&pid=1)

Was anyone else aware that Target was taking preorders for Trailerhead?

Vanton, you mentioned earlier that there will be a new Globus album with different tracklisting, booklet for US release. If it's out in the future, is it possible to order in the EU too when it's released? I ask this cause I finally want the actual physical disks in my collection instead of iTunes MP3s.

Secondly I hope this album becomes a big succes. I hope the trailer music fans here will help but don't forget that a bit of promo on sites like soundtrack.net, tracksounds and filmtracks can do wonders too reach a wider audience.

Thirdly, that Larry Group� album says 'available winter 2009'. Shouldn't this be 2008? Cause it seems strange to announce an album with samples more than a year in advance... And there is already a "Buy it now" button on the website of imperative too.

You said different tracklisting. I hope 'porque tu vas' gets replaced with something more sensible on the US version :) lol

OK

To go in reverse order Porque is gone - originally it was Yo's idea to relieve the listener with something light, for me it was a WTF moment.

A few tracks have gone and Preliator is not the first track - personally I always thought it was a bit too BIG as an introduction to the album. We really have to attract a wider audience so we need to approach this new running order more in line with traditional albums.

If you are in Europe I think the best place to order the original album is play.com as they have great prices and free delivery, the US version is not available in Europe at this time.

Re Larry's album "2009" - what can I say, the typist was drunk? or had a late night? I'll get it corrected, andone want a job as a proof reader? ;-)

Its interesting this comparison on legal and black market.

I covered this many moons ago but its worth mentioning again, buying an album does not give you the right to put the music together with moving images or stills for that matter.

Our business model is based almost purely on this - its called synchronisation.

This is not just Trailer music - read any CD - the little writing around the edge
Vanton, sorry if I was confusing but actually what I said about black markets wasn't in reference to YouTube. I understand the stuff about synchronization and how your whole business is built off that, and that's cool, though I think in the future as sites like YouTube and user-generated video become more and more part of our culture that our society is going to have to rethink synchronization rights at least for non-commercial usage.

What I was referring to is just the fact that, like it or not, your music is going to leak to the public eventually through p2p networks and just fans excited about listening to your music. This was the black market I referenced, since economically speaking p2p networks and music trading "darknets" have all the characteristics of traditional black markets that arise to fulfill unmet or illegal demand.

My point was that since this illicit trading in trailer music has been going on for a long time and hasn't destroyed your business, you might want to consider capitalizing off that and turning the black market into a legitimate market, making an extra profit from selling your music to fans in addition to your primary market with movie studios. I think that you would find fans having your music actually helps, not hinders your primary market, since I know personally I pay more attention to trailers with music I recognize and have in my collection, and am more likely to see the films they're advertising for as a result. While I know you're shooting for novelty with your music when used in trailers, I would say familiarity can help too.

All I'm saying is that I think people in your industry might overestimate the value of having your music exclusively available to production companies, when in fact selling it to the public might actually increase its effectiveness in film promotional campaigns and bring in additional revenue from music sales. Just something you might want to consider.

Vanton, sorry if I was confusing but actually what I said about black markets wasn't in reference to YouTube. I understand the stuff about synchronization and how your whole business is built off that, and that's cool, though I think in the future as sites like YouTube and user-generated video become more and more part of our culture that our society is going to have to rethink synchronization rights at least for non-commercial usage.

What I was referring to is just the fact that, like it or not, your music is going to leak to the public eventually through p2p networks and just fans excited about listening to your music. This was the black market I referenced, since economically speaking p2p networks and music trading "darknets" have all the characteristics of traditional black markets that arise to fulfill unmet or illegal demand.

My point was that since this illicit trading in trailer music has been going on for a long time and hasn't destroyed your business, you might want to consider capitalizing off that and turning the black market into a legitimate market, making an extra profit from selling your music to fans in addition to your primary market with movie studios. I think that you would find fans having your music actually helps, not hinders your primary market, since I know personally I pay more attention to trailers with music I recognize and have in my collection, and am more likely to see the films they're advertising for as a result. While I know you're shooting for novelty with your music when used in trailers, I would say familiarity can help too.

All I'm saying is that I think people in your industry might overestimate the value of having your music exclusively available to production companies, when in fact selling it to the public might actually increase its effectiveness in film promotional campaigns and bring in additional revenue from music sales. Just something you might want to consider.
may i add another +1 ?=-O

To go in reverse order Porque is gone - originally it was Yo's idea to relieve the listener with something light, for me it was a WTF moment.

True, an album should end with a bang, leaving the listener wanting for more. Not the opposite.


A few tracks have gone and Preliator is not the first track - personally I always thought it was a bit too BIG as an introduction to the album. We really have to attract a wider audience so we need to approach this new running order more in line with traditional albums.

I understand your "wider audience" argument. But don't alter the band's sound to make it more commercial for the next album. Many bands I've know start with 2 great albums and when they become more popular they become soft and unoriginal. As for preliator. This is by far the best track on the Globus album and I think almost everyone here will agree with that. I hope the next album will contain lot's of those heavier tracks. Source tracks like 'arcana' and 'dark side of power' and 'with iron fist' seem excellent candidates for this :)



Re Larry's album "2009" - what can I say, the typist was drunk? or had a late night? I'll get it corrected, andone want a job as a proof reader? ;-)
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LOL. Great. Then there are 2 people of immediate music on this board ;)

My point was that since this illicit trading in trailer music has been going on for a long time and hasn't destroyed your business, you might want to consider capitalizing off that and turning the black market into a legitimate market, making an extra profit from selling your music to fans in addition to your primary market with movie studios. I think that you would find fans having your music actually helps, not hinders your primary market, since I know personally I pay more attention to trailers with music I recognize and have in my collection, and am more likely to see the films they're advertising for as a result. While I know you're shooting for novelty with your music when used in trailers, I would say familiarity can help too.

All I'm saying is that I think people in your industry might overestimate the value of having your music exclusively available to production companies, when in fact selling it to the public might actually increase its effectiveness in film promotional campaigns and bring in additional revenue from music sales. Just something you might want to consider.

+1 to this, and +1 to the previous one. So +2? :)

I think Immediate Music's response to this "black market" is Trailerhead. Or at least, it allows an alternative to people who are interested in this music.

What I wonder is this: would Immediate Music have been as popular (calling for a CD release) if some albums were never leaked to the public? (debatelord you touched on this in your first awesome post) You could say no, it would have been the same, as those with illegally obtained albums had the desire for it in the first place. Ironically, I would say yes it did, because the leaked albums, imo, made the music more accessible, visible, and desirable.

The debate as to whether the exclusiveness of the trailer music is important for the film trailer to succeed, will rage on forever. Currently, I believe it is the production companies who control the perceived answer right now; currently, exclusivity and music anonymity remain important and that's why they pay the big bucks. However, with releases like Trailerhead, the trailer music companies like Immediate Music, are taking the first steps toward a different perception towards advertisement effectiveness. I think it's a step in the right direction.

[I'm leading back into YouTube area]

I can understand how music that doesn't belong to the public, yet is being submitted in YouTube videos, is infact illegal. That's all and dandy. However for the music I've purchased and by law am (basically) able to do whatever I want with music, as long as I'm not giving it away...so to speak. Through YouTube, people arn't allowed to download the music, the only way this would be considered wrong is the fact that they have to be online and watching that YouTube video to listen to the song you purchased. Otherwise it doesn't belong to them and thus isn't breaking the law.

So to be asked to take down my music videos that contains songs I purchased...that doesn't seem right. Of course I'll probably be proven wrong with this post. That's just how I'm seeing it right now....please do enlighten me....

Well technically posting a video with a copyrighted song on YouTube infringes the rights holder's distribution and synchronization rights. However, in the vast majority of cases rights holders are willing to overlook non-commercial use of music in such cases, and several record labels have even cut deals with YouTube to allow users to post videos with their songs. I also think there is a strong argument that creative use of music in videos such as fan tributes, anime music videos, etc. would be fair use under U.S. copyright law since it's transformative (though not necessarily of the music) and has no impact on the song's market value. If it's not actually fair use, I think copyright law is eventually going to have to adapt to the "read-write" internet culture with widespread non-commerical consumer remixing of copyrighted material. That's why I think eventually the concept of synchronization rights will have to be completely rethought in non-commercial user-generated contexts.

Now as for companies like Immediate Music whose whole business is creating music for media synchronization, I imagine they would be an exception, since the potential market impact is much greater. Even then I doubt using their songs on YouTube really hurts their market, but it's at least conceivable that it would unlike with commercial music, since in this case people aren't supposed to have their music at all.

Vanton, sorry if I was confusing but actually what I said about black markets wasn't in reference to YouTube. I understand the stuff about synchronization and how your whole business is built off that, and that's cool, though I think in the future as sites like YouTube and user-generated video become more and more part of our culture that our society is going to have to rethink synchronization rights at least for non-commercial usage.

What I was referring to is just the fact that, like it or not, your music is going to leak to the public eventually through p2p networks and just fans excited about listening to your music. This was the black market I referenced, since economically speaking p2p networks and music trading "darknets" have all the characteristics of traditional black markets that arise to fulfill unmet or illegal demand.

My point was that since this illicit trading in trailer music has been going on for a long time and hasn't destroyed your business, you might want to consider capitalizing off that and turning the black market into a legitimate market, making an extra profit from selling your music to fans in addition to your primary market with movie studios. I think that you would find fans having your music actually helps, not hinders your primary market, since I know personally I pay more attention to trailers with music I recognize and have in my collection, and am more likely to see the films they're advertising for as a result. While I know you're shooting for novelty with your music when used in trailers, I would say familiarity can help too.

All I'm saying is that I think people in your industry might overestimate the value of having your music exclusively available to production companies, when in fact selling it to the public might actually increase its effectiveness in film promotional campaigns and bring in additional revenue from music sales. Just something you might want to consider.


We don't overestimate the value at all. All I know is my colleagues in the mainstream "commercial release" market have suffered to the point where they are getting out of the business because they can't make a living.

They are jealous of our market in synchronization.

To break even on an album that costs nearly a million dollars to make would need sales in excess of 400,000 sales. Show me where that will come from and I will agree with you.

The studios want the music for what it is designed for i.e. selling their movie or product. For the extra effort to get a few sales takes huge marketing spend.

Its a sad truth that despite all the people here saying they have ordered the Trailerhead album - the majority haven't. I see the orders and it doesn't match.

Familiarity of the music actually depletes the value of the music unless its a major hit and they are few and far apart.

I'm all for people enjoying music, but if this board is anything to go by if people can get it for free they will.

Your theory is great in THEORY - you miss the one element that keeps it in theory, people would not steal a computer from a store but they will steal music as they don't consider that wrong.

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What I wonder is this: would Immediate Music have been as popular (calling for a CD release) if some albums were never leaked to the public?



The actual point for me personally is we would not have needed to release this album if it wasn't for the "sharing" going on.

That would have saved a heap of cash, time and effort.

This music is not popular - ask me in a year if we have made a dollar out of this and I will tell you that its made a loss, it just won't make and profit.

Profit is not the only reason people do things. We simply wanted to provide a way for people to legitimately obtain our music as some are not comfortable downloading illicit content.

However for the music I've purchased and by law am (basically) able to do whatever I want with music, as long as I'm not giving it away...so to speak.


As I said above - read what the CD says around the edge - you buy the CD but you don't own what is on it. You buy the right to listen to it, not to make it into something else.

If this were the case, why do TV stations, film companies etc pay to use music in their productions?




So to be asked to take down my music videos that contains songs I purchased...that doesn't seem right. Of course I'll probably be proven wrong with this post. That's just how I'm seeing it right now....please do enlighten me....

You do not have the right to synchronize the music with other images, as I say read any CD in your collection - its there in black and white.

Think of software, so you bought the software but it doesn't quite do what you want, so you adapt it and think that others would like to use my version... Do you really think that is OK and that the software developer will not go for your arse? They may give you a job if they like what you did I guess but thats another fairy tale for another day

Well technically posting a video with a copyrighted song on YouTube infringes the rights holder's distribution and synchronization rights. However, in the vast majority of cases rights holders are willing to overlook non-commercial use of music in such cases, and several record labels have even cut deals with YouTube to allow users to post videos with their songs. I also think there is a strong argument that creative use of music in videos such as fan tributes, anime music videos, etc. would be fair use under U.S. copyright law since it's transformative (though not necessarily of the music) and has no impact on the song's market value. If it's not actually fair use, I think copyright law is eventually going to have to adapt to the "read-write" internet culture with widespread non-commerical consumer remixing of copyrighted material. That's why I think eventually the concept of synchronization rights will have to be completely rethought in non-commercial user-generated contexts.

Now as for companies like Immediate Music whose whole business is creating music for media synchronization, I imagine they would be an exception, since the potential market impact is much greater. Even then I doubt using their songs on YouTube really hurts their market, but it's at least conceivable that it would unlike with commercial music, since in this case people aren't supposed to have their music at all.

A well thought out response which I tend to agree with.

However where does the line get drawn and who decides on it?

I was with a major songwriter yesterday (an old friend who has written some of the biggest tunes ever over the past 20 years) and he simply said "If it wasn't for PRS (i.e. Public radio TV etc) royalties I would be bankrupt.

Now thats from someone who was and still is at the top of the music indistry. What hope is there for young writers?

Another example of how people struggle. A very good writer producer (again has had fairly major hits worldwide) was asked to compose music for a TV series, he spent 6 weeks full time on this as well as 2 weeks half time mixing. He was paid..... 4,000 USdollars - some may think thats a lot of money, others will realise in the UK this is less than a van driver would get.

This is the state of the music industry right now. If something isn't done, there won't be any new music - especially with full orchestra and choir!

OK - enough of my rants but everyone seems to think there are corporations and millionaires in music, I just wanted to show that 98% of the industry is made up of people trying to make a living out of a talent they have.

This is the state of the music industry right now. If something isn't done, there won't be any new music - especially with full orchestra and choir!

OK - enough of my rants but everyone seems to think there are corporations and millionaires in music, I just wanted to show that 98% of the industry is made up of people trying to make a living out of a talent they have.

The music producers and composers do the best beautiful things for the world, they should get the Honor and Respect， also the copyrights!

And I know write music and produce music is so Heavy Work. They cost their almost time to do that~!but they have a bit time for themselves.

I believe every fans will have the Grateful feelings in each other's heart, and I also believe almost guys here have pay for Trailerhead.

Keep walking with the Great Man.

I still can't understand why you just don't accept the fact behind music videos on YouTube. Your not loosing any money. If anything, people are listening to your music, watching their favorite movie or whatever and thus accepting the music even more then they would have. Now, after watching that video, they want to go out and buy the album. Perhaps this concept is why the majority of music artists and the film business tend to ignore this subject. It's a way to promote their content and it probably does help in sales.

Yet if your choice isn't through understanding, but instead you act like a judge and focus on the fact that "Justice is blind" (metaphorically speaking). Then so be it. I wish you luck in your future sales.

I'll be taking down all the content I have uploaded, regarding Immediate Music, and deleting it. Sorry I guess...

(AMVs, yt music usage) However where does the line get drawn and who decides on it?
Now that is going to be one of the toughest nuts to crack in the upcoming years - if the laws concerning fair use and copyright are to be rewritten to reflect the true state of the market. What I mean isn't of course that the musicians should abandon their rights and accept the "information wants to be free" nonsense some people try to enforce. What I think is, that by actually releasing the music - be it a trailer, tv show, sports event coverage - you actually WANT people to listen to it... and with the huge marketing machine AND law enforcement granting you exclusive rights to decide how/when/by who can the music be heard - it doesn't seem 100% fair to deny the fact, that this music is slowly becoming a part of the culture everyone should be able to enjoy.


I was with a major songwriter yesterday (an old friend who has written some of the biggest tunes ever over the past 20 years) and he simply said "If it wasn't for PRS (i.e. Public radio TV etc) royalties I would be bankrupt.
A starving artist I suppose :). Yet that's just another proof that the business model underlying the recording industry isn't "synchronized" with the current market state.


This is the state of the music industry right now. If something isn't done, there won't be any new music - especially with full orchestra and choir!
And why I couldn't disagree more, I see some merit in the latter part. There is one thing I want to ask though. Given the typical "mainstream" CD price breakdown (http://www.cnn.com/interactive/entertainment/0101/cd.price/frameset.exclude.html) (esp. the huge percentage of retail markup, company overhead and marketing) I wonder - does e.g. Trailerhead's price reflect the same chart? Or is it a totally different thing to release a music CD re-targeted from trailer houses to broad public?


OK - enough of my rants but everyone seems to think there are corporations and millionaires in music, I just wanted to show that 98% of the industry is made up of people trying to make a living out of a talent they have.
Well, it is kind of sad when you point out the difference between forum declarations and Trailerhead purchase records (let's just hope that the "marketing" part of the price won't suddenly skyrocket because of this). As I see it - all this discussion boils down to a conflict anyways. You want to keep your music, we want to listen to it... first steps are always tough.

Vanton,

Why doesn't a production company of your status doesn't expand into movie soundtrack territory. The talent, reputation and experince is certainly there with your composers. Besides writing a soundtrack (esp of the bigger movies) brings in a lot of cash. Plus you get a recording budget to work with from the movie studio themselves plus they handle all the other stuff like releasing an OST, providing marketing for it etc... Also the composer who made the score will earn much more.

Also another question of a totally different kind (just out of curiosity). Do your composers get paid one time for the songs they wrote. Or do they get money everytime their songs are used in a campaign. Or does everything gets split even between the team? I wonder about this cause this could explain the 'bankrupcy issues' of composers you mentioned cause I hear a lot artists complaining that the 'publishing corporation' takes most of the money and the artist receives only a really small percentage...

I don't understand why everybody is starting the "release your music to the public" discussion again while there was a public release 2 weeks ago and there is one announced for winter 2008.

Vanton,

Why doesn't a production company of your status doesn't expand into movie soundtrack territory. The talent, reputation and experince is certainly there with your composers. Besides writing a soundtrack (esp of the bigger movies) brings in a lot of cash. Plus you get a recording budget to work with from the movie studio themselves plus they handle all the other stuff like releasing an OST, providing marketing for it etc... Also the composer who made the score will earn much more.

Also another question of a totally different kind (just out of curiosity). Do your composers get paid one time for the songs they wrote. Or do they get money everytime their songs are used in a campaign. Or does everything gets split even between the team? I wonder about this cause this could explain the 'bankrupcy issues' of composers you mentioned cause I hear a lot artists complaining that the 'publishing corporation' takes most of the money and the artist receives only a really small percentage...


Ok - this may help. Film scoring and what we do are totally different animals. The film company take all the copyright, give you a budget and if you can make a bit then you are lucky. The composer gets a fee but these days again, the movie company wants to limit its costs and maximize its profits. Thats what you get when accountants run the studios, always looking for their buck.

We spend an enormous amount on our recordings as you can imagine, in fact more than a lot of the big movies do.

Our writers get paid a percentage of each and every fee we receive.

There are rules in place as to how much publishers can take and whilst I tend to agree with you if we talk about artists (they can receive tiny amounts especially if its a band) its not the same for composers - well not with the one's I work with in this part of my business or the commercial area - In the commercial area my writers tend to receive at least 75% of all income.

The writer gets a great deal, Immediate takes the risk on the recordings and markets heavily to its customers.

The writer I talked about would receive a royalty for each record sold (this amounts to (in the UK) 8% of the wholesale price of the record. Sales dropping like a stone ensures this income is all but gone so they can only rely on the performance royalty or synchronization - so full circle back to where we are here about you guys putting music to picture.

Hey Vanton...I was wondering when the Trailerhead album is going to be shipping??

Hey Vanton...I was wondering when the Trailerhead album is going to be shipping??

Last I heard was that the stock will arrive around 25th August and release on 29th

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Wow, lots of replies suddenly appeared at once since the site was down yesterday. Let me reply to a few of these, though forgive me since I have lots to say. I am after all a debater and a soon-to-be law student, so hopefully you can excuse the length of this post.

First of all, Vanton, I just want to preface this by saying I am incredibly thankful that IM has chosen to release commercial albums at all. You are still the only major trailer music company that has done so and I wish more would follow your lead. I personally have bought both Epicon and Trailerhead off iTunes and Amazon respectively (I may even eventually repurchase Epicon since when I bought it, it was still in 128kbs DRM'ed files), and plan to do everything I can to support future releases. I never realized these releases were loss-leaders for you guys, which makes me all the more impressed that you would do this. So please don't think I'm ungrateful and complaining or think you just hate your fans or something.

That said, I would like to respond to one thing you said with a suggestion your might want to consider.

We don't overestimate the value at all. All I know is my colleagues in the mainstream "commercial release" market have suffered to the point where they are getting out of the business because they can't make a living.

They are jealous of our market in synchronization.

To break even on an album that costs nearly a million dollars to make would need sales in excess of 400,000 sales. Show me where that will come from and I will agree with you.
First of all I'm certainly not suggesting you abandon your primary business model and try to make a living off just selling music to the public. I would even agree with what you said that the days where that is even possible are probably numbered. I was only suggesting that perhaps you could make a little extra money on the side by selling music to fans.

You mentioned the huge amount of time, money, and effort that goes into producing an album like Trailerhead and selling it to the public, and that it ultimately comes out as a loss because in the end trailer music still just isn't that popular. What if there was another alternative? After all, while fancy new spiffed up releases like Trailerhead are nice, all fans really want are the original songs themselves, which you've already done all the work to produce and already make them available to your clients.

Why not instead of producing fancy new albums, just go with the ones you have, while at the same time exploiting the very feature of the internet that makes your music easy to pirate to make them available to the public at virtually no extra cost? In addition to services like iTunes and Amazon, there are plenty of services now available to indy artists that allow them to cheaply sell music online, or if you have the IT resources to host it yourself you could just sell it as digital downloads direct from your website. Perhaps you're right that trailer music isn't popular enough to succeed in a wider market. But in spite of that, you already have a solid fan base of people who would love to buy your music.

So if the marketing and distribution costs are too high to make money selling it as a traditional album, go with an entirely new business model, forgoing traditional marketing techniques and just focusing on selling to the niche market you've already created without even trying to, taking advantage of the low distribution costs of the internet to make the music available at little extra cost to yourselves. That way, you've made some extra money, trailer music fans get what they want, and if other people aren't interested that's their loss. And if the market remained limited to trailer music fans, you would still preserve the relative obscurity that your studio clients seem to value. Everybody benefits, and at the very least it couldn't be worse than the status quo.

Now compare that to the alternative where the people who really want your music are going to get it one way or another but you get nothing for it--a whole niche market completely untapped (except for releases like Trailerhead of course, which are a start but they still don't compare to being able to get all of Themes for Orchestra and Choir 3, for example). Will there still be people that pirate your music? Of course. But that would happen anyway, and at least this way honest people who want to pay for it and want to support you have the opportunity to do so, versus the status quo where they have no choice but to resort to piracy. And if the distribution costs are kept low enough, you might even actually make a profit from it.

Now, I'm just a college student and a political science major at that, not a business or finance major, so I can't guarantee the economics would necessarily work out, but it's an idea at least worth considering. All I really want is to propose another alternative that might be better than the status quo.

As for the state of the music industry as a whole, I honestly don't know what the solution is. First of all, I think that whatever happens, your primary business model is safe, since no matter how copyright law must change in coming years, I think there will always be the ability to license music for commercial use by other large corporations and media studios. It's in relation to individual non-commercial use that I think law and society will eventually have to change.

In that arena, I do think it's clear that piracy is here to stay and can't be stopped, and the music industry will eventually have to acknowledge that and somehow adapt. Perhaps that will involve changing business models to focus on selling a product that can't be pirated. Many bands already make most of their income from concerts and selling band-related merchandise--experiences or tangible objects that can't be easily copied or pirated. Maybe that's the future of the commercial music industry, allowing the music itself to be transferred freely and making their actual income in other ways.

It is after all only in recent history that musicians have sold musical recordings for a living. Before that, western music went through a variety of stages and business models. First musicians were financed by weather patrons among European nobility, then they held concerts, then sold sheet music after the printing press was invented, then reels for player pianos, and finally actual recordings of the music with the first audio recording technology, starting with gramophones and moving to record players, cassette tapes, CDs, and finally digital audio files.

Maybe today we're in another transitional era where musicians are being forced to adapt to new technologies and changing times, and I certainly sympathize with how rough that must be for anyone in your industry. But while we may not know what will replace the current system, I think it's plain to all that change is coming, and I think that in the end the music industry will adapt.

Like I said, I personally am just interested in finding a third alternative that is better than both the status quo of artists losing money to piracy and the opposite alternative of continuing to wage an unwinable legal war on piracy. Currently I am preparing to become a lawyer, and it has been my experiences with music downloading and such that have given me a desire to possibly pursue a career in technology law, so that perhaps I can help influence the development of such a balance that allows the music industry and the legal framework that supports it to adapt to 21st century technology while still preserving a viable way for musicians to benefit from their labor. Do I believe there is a perfect solution? No. But I say all that so you can at least appreciate where I am coming from and know that I am not just another pirate who wants to steal your music. And who knows, maybe something I've said could actually be beneficial to you and Immediate Music somewhere down the road. You never know.

Why not instead of producing fancy new albums, just go with the ones you have, while at the same time exploiting the very feature of the internet that makes your music easy to pirate to make them available to the public at virtually no extra cost? In addition to services like iTunes and Amazon, there are plenty of services now available to indy artists that allow them to cheaply sell music online, or if you have the IT resources to host it yourself you could just sell it as digital downloads direct from your website. Perhaps you're right that trailer music isn't popular enough to succeed in a wider market. But in spite of that, you already have a solid fan base of people who would love to buy your music.

Another great post DebateLord. Fantastic.

I also brought up the possibility of selling only digital copies of the original songs via the internet a long time ago. I agree entirely that this would be the best of both worlds. Currently, the public has to choose between downloading illegally for free, and buying two public CD's. Sure, this is much better than before, when there was no alternative for those who liked the original music, but I still feel more money could be made.

It all seems to come down to the exclusivity and rarity of trailer music. After all, this is and has always been the nature of the music itself. There is an element to trailer production that benefits from new or unheard music. The impact of trailer music is important, and Immediate Music specializes in "Music With Impact". But how much of an impact does the rarity factor have? How much money would Immediate Music lose if their music did become popular and accessible? And popular is probably too strong a word; but who really knows how popular trailer music could be.

These questions can only be answered by vanton, and a major trailer making company/movie studio. I'd be very interested to what you have to say vanton. Thanks again for staying on this site, and speaking with us, your fans.

Your business model DebateLord seems enticing to me. Perhaps someday trailer music companies will adopt it. Immediate Music has taken a very major step towards it. In all this discussion we all must understand that an industry can't change overnight. I am, as I'm sure everyone is, extremely grateful that Immediate Music has taken steps to acknowledge its fans. To show my gratitude I have bought Epicon and Trailerhead. I hope that everyone who loves this music does the same, as it is an effective way that we consumers can have an impact.

If this site had a digg-style rating system, I would so give debatelord the "thumbs-up" for that post, multiple times.

except for releases like Trailerhead of course, which are a start but they still don't compare to being able to get all of Themes for Orchestra and Choir 3, for example
I just got "Dark Side of Power" 320kbps mp3 from Immediate Music (new) website... I never thought I'd see the day :D

How do you download as mp3 instead of streaming?

@debatelord...

have you noticed how many "good" and usefull tracks are on every
single album for common ears? i would say only a few...maybe 2-3, the rest is not really worth to listen. so its better if they release some kind of "best of" to the public (like trailerhead) or noone will buy their albums because of only 2 good tracks...IM is doin the right thing!

@debatelord...

have you noticed how many "good" and usefull tracks are on every
single album for common ears? i would say only a few...maybe 2-3, the rest is not really worth to listen. so its better if they release some kind of "best of" to the public (like trailerhead) or noone will buy their albums because of only 2 good tracks...IM is doin the right thing!

That's not true.
Have you heard IM - TFOAC3 Disk 1?
Disk 1 is the best trailer music CD ever created by any company. It surpasses all other TFOAC releases and even the much acclaimed TSFH Nemesis. Every track on that album just rocks and it brilliant. So saying that there is only 1 or 2 good songs on every CD is a real understatement. However CD2 and esp. CD3 of TFOAC3 are extremely poor apart from a couple of songs...

I disagree, that is just a matter of taste.
As a complete album, I think Nemesis is still the best.
But I do agree about the fact that there are more than 2 or 3 numbers worthy to listen on each album or disc. TFOAC Disc 1 is a good one, but so is the 2nd one and also the 3rd one. I don't like all the songs, but most of them. When Kukoriato only likes 2-3 tracks on each CD, that's his taste, but I'm sure he understands that others might like more tracks, and even the entire CD.

Does anybody the name of the song of the Crysis Warhead trailer?

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/38396.html?ref=playerfeat

How do you download as mp3 instead of streaming?

Browser cache digging - you'll find a nice, verbosely tagged file there... still can't tell if direct links can be obtained.

I wonder if the library is there to stay... or they'll downgrade it soon.

Browser cache digging - you'll find a nice, verbosely tagged file there... still can't tell if direct links can be obtained.

I wonder if the library is there to stay... or they'll downgrade it soon.

I hope it stays. The songs are not high quality and it seems a good compromis between clients, fans and immediate music.

The site raises another question for Vanton. Why are different tracks on the same CD's published by different companies?

That's not true.
Have you heard IM - TFOAC3 Disk 1?
Disk 1 is the best trailer music CD ever created by any company. It surpasses all other TFOAC releases and even the much acclaimed TSFH Nemesis. Every track on that album just rocks and it brilliant. So saying that there is only 1 or 2 good songs on every CD is a real understatement. However CD2 and esp. CD3 of TFOAC3 are extremely poor apart from a couple of songs...

In general his right, we're talking about every album not just 1, If you include the fact some albums like Action and drama ain't really that good his point is quite right.

But yeah TFOC 3, CD 1 rocks, Nemesis is also superb they have many great tracks in there, TSFH are delivering some great stuff.

Glad IM new site allows track download, hopefully this will decrease the amount of links shared across and less people asking for tracks though more people will start using them on youtube etc;

Good luck on the future Vanton, hope the best for every trailer company.
(been a while since I logged on here, Good to see people debating here ;) )

I hope it stays. The songs are not high quality and it seems a good compromis between clients, fans and immediate music.

well..actually, they are all in 320.
and TFOAC3 Disc 1 is the best epic/action/adventure album ive heard. Brilliant, accurate and explosive !!! Just my opinion.

Can anyone else actually get the songs to stream from IM's website? Every time I go there and click on a song the player comes up the but the song never actually starts playing.

Can anyone else actually get the songs to stream from IM's website? Every time I go there and click on a song the player comes up the but the song never actually starts playing.

Yup, no problems here.

I finally got to hear "Wyatt's Torch" without all this noise that was present in the copy circling everywhere.

Can anyone else actually get the songs to stream from IM's website? Every time I go there and click on a song the player comes up the but the song never actually starts playing.

Some won't stream for me:

Action and Drama 5:
Track 8 and 9

Suspense and Drama 5:
Track 1, 3, 4, 8

Wow, peoples here are smart, that's amazing...

I don't think that was a good idea to say that here...

Anyway, Vanton, you don't want that IM albums leak, but thay are all donwloadable from the website.
Isn't that strange ?

Hope Im won't secure this, or replace by lower quality now... :/

Explosion of replies here!
I haven’t checked this site in a while but it’s pretty cool to see we’re finally getting a commercial release of IM music!
I can’t thank you enough for this Vanton!! Although it’s already available in digital format, I think a lot of people are still waiting for the physical cd. I know I am!
I don’t want to hear it before I slide this disk in my stereo, waiting until August 29th (or later due to shipping) is just a small sacrifice to make : )

I hope -I really do - that anyone who said they’d buy this stuff if it were available, really purchases it.
I know most of you won’t, but there must be honest ones on this forum who aren’t full of shit as well. Well, now you can prove which of the two you really are…

Will the cd also become available through the imperativa website at the end of August or through a site like Cdbaby? ( I hope to combine shipping on either site )

Does anybody the name of the song of the Crysis Warhead trailer?

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/38396.html?ref=playerfeat

It's Aqua Vitae from Future World Music Vol. 7.


BTW, I think the best trailer music album is still Dynasty from TSFH. The variety and quality of the music in that album is superb. I'd give the second place to TSFH Nemesis, and the third to IM's TFOAC 1, 2 or 3.

Hmm, I've tried playing several different tracks on two different computers with both IE7 and Firefox 3 and nothing works. The player opens but won't start playing. Vanton, do you know if there is a problem with the browse music section of the IM site?

Anyone know the music used in the first half of this tribute to Michael Phelps? it sounds like something along the lines of production music.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3539153&categoryId=null&status=ok

It's Aqua Vitae from Future World Music Vol. 7.


Thanks!
I have these CD's but never got around yet listening to them. ;)

Hmm, I've tried playing several different tracks on two different computers with both IE7 and Firefox 3 and nothing works. The player opens but won't start playing. Vanton, do you know if there is a problem with the browse music section of the IM site?

I think maybe because we're all trying to play songs at once, it can't keep up? I'm having the same problems with the TFOAC albums. I guess we'll just have to wait... =-O O:] =)