Hi! I have a question about Trailer Music... I was searching in wikipedia but i found nothing. What about the history of this type of music ? What's the first compagny, etc... I'm just curious! :)

John Beal (a composer) was one of the pioneers in the industry. He started writing this kind of stuff already in the seventies. He has scored many trailers beginning from 1977 to 2007...
Do some research on him if you want to know more...

Now was that a useful post or not kmb & Macksis? :)

Hi! I have a question about Trailer Music... I was searching in wikipedia but i found nothing. What about the history of this type of music ? What's the first compagny, etc... I'm just curious! :)

Here is an interview with John Beal in which he describes the era before companies like IM, X-ray Dog and TSFH:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/features/beal.asp

It's quite long and offers good insight into the history of trailer music.

thnx kmb for such nice reply! i will try to contribute to the forum as much as i can and then maybe later i could exchange some of my stuff... i have quite a lot... few gigs... i just love this music!!!

Now was that a useful post or not kmb & Macksis? :)

Oh, man, now we are the teachers here ...

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Okay, kids, everyone, look at Mr. licenturion, he just gave us a fine example of how to contribute to discussions! Follow his example!
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And if you want to quit, remember kids, it's down the road, not across the street !
(totally of topic, but if I am teacher now, I always wanted to lecture on that...)




No, seriously, please, I am just trying to keep this great thread running, but I'm getting tired of scolding all the new kids to stick to the rules to avoid producers going wild and having this board closed down. I'm not doing it for amusement or fun, I just want to keep it going.

kmb, you were right! I've been doing it wrong all these years! *bleeds to death*

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Yes, way to keep the thread going, you guys. We need more intelligent discussion here.

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Here is an interview with John Beal in which he describes the era before companies like IM, X-ray Dog and TSFH:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/features/beal.asp

It's quite long and offers good insight into the history of trailer music.

:) Now this is a great post! :)
Thanks for the great article!

And ensayne1- you've found out more about Pathogen than I've ever seen. I had no idea that Forsaken, Electro Freak, and Kick Down were all from Pathogen. They're all available from the Nick Phoenix website (http://www.nickphoenix.com/index.php?page=mp3) which is awesome. Thanks for posting your 'research'! :)

Your history of music is RIGHT HERE (lol):
http://www.mediafire.com/?mg3lmznymm0

Just kidding ... but SERIOUSLY, download it. It has Carmina Burana in it and it is very funny. Its an Aussie ad. Im not sure how many of you have been in Australia and seen it.

is it the one with the beer commercial?

is it the one with the beer commercial?

yea. funny as

yea. funny as

LOOOL!!! It's really ...big ad! Thanks!

LOOOL!!! It's really ...big ad! Thanks!

No problem. That is the funniest ad i have ever seen in Australia. The use of Massive is very good too

i saw the a while ago, it must have cost a bunch of money, unless its all green screened

They used a visual effects program called Massive. its the same program they used in Lord of the Rings to make the huge armies of orks and stuff

Your history of music is RIGHT HERE (lol):
http://www.mediafire.com/?mg3lmznymm0

Just kidding ... but SERIOUSLY, download it. It has Carmina Burana in it and it is very funny. Its an Aussie ad. Im not sure how many of you have been in Australia and seen it.

Haha, great video :)
You made my morning Achronos.

Great post!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGJiTpBBD18 its a big ad, very big ad!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv5U0W8FDD its a big ad, very big ad!!!

"The URL contained a malformed video ID."

I regret to inform you that your link fails to meet the minimum usefulness requirements, as it is broken. Your account will be terminated immediately.

But seriously though, could you repost it? Or at least give us what to search for to find it? You've peaked my interest now.
Thanks.

Here is an interview with John Beal in which he describes the era before companies like IM, X-ray Dog and TSFH:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/features/beal.asp

It's quite long and offers good insight into the history of trailer music.

Thanks! Exactly what I was looking for. :D Thanks again.

Now was that a useful post or not kmb & Macksis? :)

Yes, your post meets the minimum usefulness requirements.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGJiTpBBD18 its a big ad, very big ad!!!

If we're talking commercials now, I suppose you all know this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqKWXirsU

If you don't, watch it, it has nothing to do with music, but it's the funniest commercial I've ever seen, although it's really cynical! But I could laugh my butt off every time I see it!

Another cynical one here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eNqPTOb31S8

it's not as good as the first, but still great!

I'm Proud to join you again after several month (ok nobody knows me but I was here :P):
I was crying alone in my room cause of my F****** disc wich was dead :'(
But know I can Breath; it was just the communication, all my files are Ok fiuuuu!

Thx a lot for the lesson of history about Trailer music, very interesting!

And the big ad is very HUGE =D excellent

Welcome back guijun. :) and the smile will be back on you face.

Enjoy yourself.

I'm Proud to join you again after several month (ok nobody knows me but I was here :P):
I was crying alone in my room cause of my F****** disc wich was dead :'(
But know I can Breath; it was just the communication, all my files are Ok fiuuuu!

Thx a lot for the lesson of history about Trailer music, very interesting!

Well, welcome back. Things have changed ALOT since u left.

If we're talking commercials now, I suppose you all know this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqKWXirsU

If you don't, watch it, it has nothing to do with music, but it's the funniest commercial I've ever seen, although it's really cynical! But I could laugh my butt off every time I see it!

Another cynical one here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eNqPTOb31S8

it's not as good as the first, but still great!

Was that ad actually BANNED? wtf, thats strange. Anyways, that first one i hadn't seen in a long time. Oh, funny. Very funny.

Thx you guys!
Yeah I saw that, things always change but here, I was really surprised of all changes :S
Well I was stay before the TSFH Nemesis huge revolution, rules change!
And I totally agree about the new rule, even if I haven't the nemesis album!
I will prouve again my bravery and my dignity LOL :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGJiTpBBD18 its a big ad, very big ad!!!

You know, I couldn't find that on youtube, otherwise I would've used a link instead of uploading the file. Well, I only looked for what had to be 12 seconds. The file has much better video and sound quality but the youtube link is still hilarious no matter what.

Working hard as usual but managed to catch up on you guys.

As this is all about trailer music I thought you would like this one....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JQRtuxdfQHw

Working hard as usual but managed to catch up on you guys.

As this is all about trailer music I thought you would like this one....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JQRtuxdfQHw

Thanks for sharing vanton, it was great.

So excellent, so huge to see voices with faces and to see this great man move :p

Vanton, I've read many of your posts dating to nearly half a year from this point and must begin by saying I fully agree with your standpoint.

Illegal downloading is inevitable though, but to blatantly continue it when a representative of the copyrighter is essentially looking you in the face and saying please stop is where I find it hard to believe so many people wouldn't draw the line. I'd hope to bring a new perspective in though.

I'm an avid World of Warcraft player, and I doubt many are familiar with it, but an online filmaker named Jack made a movie that awesomely depicted the game, and it can be found at Gametube under Burning Crusade: The Movie. He uses many tracks found from trailers as I assume he was given permission to, sposored by, or bought from many of the aformentioned companies. I found the movie fascinating and I loved it. The music truely made it, but I cannot find it anywhere even though I would BUY it for quite a bit had it been easily available to find. Let me emphasize, I'm not looking for everything out there, only the tracks I heard and liked! Essentially I'm interested in purchasing only five or six songs out of the huge multitude, not download entire albums or even discographys. Is there a way I could actually PURCHASE only a small number? I absolutely respect your arguement for not publically spreading such music, especially for free, and I also understand the cost of physically producing albums. At the same time, if you were to use Itunes or a company that charges per song, perhaps it might be more economically sound (although I would not know personally). I'd imagine there are more like me, looking for only for a few tracks that caught their fancy, who are more than willing to buy them, and would not like to be lumped in with these people wanting hundreds of songs at once. Is there a way through the company I could even Paypal just a few songs? I don't know if this proves I'd only use it privately or not, but that would be the intent.

Bottom line, I personally would actually prefer to just purchase the songs I was interested in (which is extremely small in number compared to the number available) rather than illegally download the entire freaking album and was wondering if this was in any way possible. Perhaps I'm completely offbase and missed something said earlier, but I'd appreciate any further information. Thanks!

Illegal downloading is inevitable though, but to blatantly continue it when a representative of the copyrighter is essentially looking you in the face and saying please stop is where I find it hard to believe so many people wouldn't draw the line.

My 2 cents on that: I will continue downloading my favorite music, whatever I can get, without ANY remorse, come hell or high water, as long as I cannot acquire it legally! No argument will convince me otherwise! I completely support the gentleman's agreement of not posting links and not giving any trailer music to complete strangers, but that's the line for me and that's where the line ends. If a producer does not want me to download, he should sell his CDs to me (iTunes is not an option, as it is Windows-only) or keep his stuff completely to himself. But I do not accept being tantalized by this great music in trailers without being allowed to have it on my harddrive for private listening. Full stop!

I don't want anyone to be offended, I just wanted to make my position clear to everyone. As I accept the wish of producers not to upload and spread links, I hope they will accept my point of view in return. I do not harm anyone, the only problem is they do not get money for my private listening pleasure. I'm really sorry for that, but it's not my fault, because I want to pay but can't. If TSFH had a paypal "donate" button on their website, I would donate money for each of their CDs I downloaded. If producers do not want my money, I cannot help it, but I will not abandon my favorite music genre.

Oh, damn. I was soooo hoping we wouldn't go back to this.

iTunes is not an option, as it is Windows-only

iTunes is also availible on Mac. In fact it first appeared on Mac. Futhermore it's possible to run the latest iTunes on Linux with the Wine windows API

Ah and KMB my opinion is exactly the same as yours :)

Oh, damn. I was soooo hoping we wouldn't go back to this.

You're right, we already had this, I apologize. :puppydog:

I just wanted to draw that line again before it gets watered out...

No need to go through all the arguments again, I hope!

Futhermore it's possible to run the latest iTunes on Linux with the Wine windows API

True, but that would force me to have a closed source program with internet access on my machine. Sorry, that's not acceptable for me! I switched to Linux for a reason...
IMO it's not necessary to have an extra program for internet shopping, it can be done in the browser. As long as Apple insists on their own program, iTunes is not for me...



Ah and KMB my opinion is exactly the same as yours :)

I hope I spoke for a lot of people here when I tried to define that line again.

Working hard as usual but managed to catch up on you guys.

As this is all about trailer music I thought you would like this one....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JQRtuxdfQHw

To ease this thread a little bit, again, AND to stay on topic:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f7LN9uklloY

;-)

To ease this thread a little bit, again, AND to stay on topic:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f7LN9uklloY

;-)

LOOOL! I hope this doesn't affect his career... Probably the film industry won't hire him again as trailer voice because he made fun of it? Hope not!

"Van Damme in the same crap you've seen before" was really funny!

My 2 cents on that: I will continue downloading my favorite music, whatever I can get, without ANY remorse, come hell or high water, as long as I cannot acquire it legally! No argument will convince me otherwise! I completely support the gentleman's agreement of not posting links and not giving any trailer music to complete strangers, but that's the line for me and that's where the line ends. If a producer does not want me to download, he should sell his CDs to me (iTunes is not an option, as it is Windows-only) or keep his stuff completely to himself. But I do not accept being tantalized by this great music in trailers without being allowed to have it on my harddrive for private listening. Full stop!

I don't want anyone to be offended, I just wanted to make my position clear to everyone. As I accept the wish of producers not to upload and spread links, I hope they will accept my point of view in return. I do not harm anyone, the only problem is they do not get money for my private listening pleasure. I'm really sorry for that, but it's not my fault, because I want to pay but can't. If TSFH had a paypal "donate" button on their website, I would donate money for each of their CDs I downloaded. If producers do not want my money, I cannot help it, but I will not abandon my favorite music genre.

Achronis said it all - Do yo really have to go there.

One problem in your argument......

You made a pot - worked hard for days on it, I see it, I want it, I ask you if I can buy it or have it and you say no.

I BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE AND STEAL IT

Thats great - no problem - well I wonder if you would say that or would you be a bit pi&&ed??

Lets all laugh at kmb - the original robin hood who steals from people but forgets to give the proceeds to the poor

Achronis said it all - Do yo really have to go there.

One problem in your argument......

You made a pot - worked hard for days on it, I see it, I want it, I ask you if I can buy it or have it and you say no.

I BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE AND STEAL IT

Thats great - no problem - well I wonder if you would say that or would you be a bit pi&&ed??

Lets all laugh at kmb - the original robin hood who steals from people but forgets to give the proceeds to the poor

I'm curious, why are you still posting here?

My 2 cents on that: I will continue downloading my favorite music, whatever I can get, without ANY remorse, come hell or high water, as long as I cannot acquire it legally! No argument will convince me otherwise! I completely support the gentleman's agreement of not posting links and not giving any trailer music to complete strangers, but that's the line for me and that's where the line ends. If a producer does not want me to download, he should sell his CDs to me (iTunes is not an option, as it is Windows-only) or keep his stuff completely to himself. But I do not accept being tantalized by this great music in trailers without being allowed to have it on my harddrive for private listening. Full stop!

I don't want anyone to be offended, I just wanted to make my position clear to everyone. As I accept the wish of producers not to upload and spread links, I hope they will accept my point of view in return. I do not harm anyone, the only problem is they do not get money for my private listening pleasure. I'm really sorry for that, but it's not my fault, because I want to pay but can't. If TSFH had a paypal "donate" button on their website, I would donate money for each of their CDs I downloaded. If producers do not want my money, I cannot help it, but I will not abandon my favorite music genre.

i think you're argument fails

Essentially, you're agreeing that you are doing something illegal and will continue to do it, which is exactly my position. However, just because you cannot obtain an article of trailer music, is not a valid excuse of committing this illegal act. Of course, by stating this, I sound like a hypocrite considering that I have done my own share of illegal downloading. There is no excuse for committing an act that another doesn't want, especially if this act is simply done as a matter of preference compared to a matter of dire need. I cannot morally justify taking this music as it is not mine to take. Since it is their property (hence the watermarks!), they can do anything within legal bounds that they want, including not putting them on itunes. Whether we view that as a loss or not is irrelevant.

"If a producer does not want me to download, he should sell his CDs to me (iTunes is not an option, as it is Windows-only) or keep his stuff completely to himself."

A producer, just like any other person, has the free will to make money off of his music through whatever means he feels necessary (practical or not), whether this be through licensing or through a third party, such as itunes. You're basically saying that a producer is not entitled to license his music if he doesn't want to others to download it. Now, with respect to keeping "his stuff completely to himself," this is the point of the watermark. A watermark is provided to every release in order to determine who an album was released by; hence, a producer's ability to keep the music contained, which means whoever is providing the public (us) with the music is essentially screwed by releasing it. Now, why I am I still downloading even though I understand that it is morally/legally wrong? Because, I simply view my preferences and needs more highly than an a complete strangers. Aka I view my needs are more important even in the face of certain consequences. Now here is my attempt to justify my actions, even if this justification fails, I will still attempt to download regardless, unless there is financial problems.

1) Trailer Music- Here we have mp3, bits and pieces of digital data that can be copied, distributed, or deleted. Basically 1's and 0's.
2) The point of making music is to make money (for most people).
3) Trailer Music Companies provide this music to an intended clientele [aka people they make money off of]
4) Stealing essentially means a loss of potential revenue, since revenue is basically all that is cared about companies in general with respect to their investors.
5) If I am not your intended clientele, you do not wish to make money off of me.
6) If I have the specific pattern of 1s and 0s, you apparently do not lose anything, assuming 5,4,3, and 2 are true.

Yes, you have the right to own your specific pattern of frequencies, just as Biotechnological Companies have the right to own our isolated genes. However, if you cannot justify our possession of your music through monetary means, then your justification simply boils down the very simple of factor of having the knowledge that someone else has your pattern of 0s and 1s makes you angry.

"You made a pot - worked hard for days on it, I see it, I want it, I ask you if I can buy it or have it and you say no.

I BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE AND STEAL IT"

Don't even try to relate this to physical entities. It's impossible, music is now digital. It would be more appropriate to relate this to the "design of the pot" Let's relate it to musical notes. Vanton makes a sheet of music. I copy the sheet of music. I acknowledge that Vanton created it. Why doesn't Vanton want me to copy his sheet of music? Because he loses money. However, he doesn't make money from me, he makes money from a specific audience (other people who copy him). So what does it matter if I'm an invisible person in the crowd copying this sheet of music? He feels he should distribute the music to who he chooses. Why does he feel this way? Because
it's his!

That's all fine and dandy. He has the right to do whatever he wants with his creation. However, from my personal view, there is no apparent financial harm to these companies, including Vanton's starving children. Since Vanton is not working for Immediate Music (Europe) for a sense of moral divinity, but rather by the hour for a salary, I see no obligation to acknowledge his right.

Soo...............since your not Mother Teresa, Vanton, and money is of primary interest to you and Immediate Musics investors, me having your music should be of no concern, and if it some how is, I don't particularly care! On the contrary, tell me when you can't feed your children, then I might reconsider.

You made a pot - worked hard for days on it, I see it, I want it, I ask you if I can buy it or have it and you say no.

I BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE AND STEAL IT

Thats great - no problem - well I wonder if you would say that or would you be a bit pi&&ed??

I'm sure if he could instantly make a copy of it he'd be happy to give you the pot without you needing to break in. In fact, I bet he'd be kind enough to give you the pot in a PM.

I'm sure if he could instantly make a copy of it he'd be happy to give you the pot without you needing to break in. In fact, I bet he'd be kind enough to give you the pot in a PM.

LMAO!

I'm curious, why are you still posting here?

why not

can someonoe just give me dreams and imaginations

Wow ensayne1; you put a lot of time and thought into that comment!

Trailer Music companies make ALL of their money, or most of it, through other companies buying the rights to use their music. When people steal their music and use it anyway for their own productions, they are losing money.

Unfortunately, trailer music is not made for the listening pleasure of the public. If it was, you would see CD sales. But the point of trailer music is not to increase its (the music's) popularity, but the popularity of whatever it sells- whatever product the music accompanies. If the music suddenly became more popular than than the product itself, the music would have lost it's purpose.

In the end I have a feeling it all comes down to time and money. The amount of money trailer music companies make off of a sale of the rights to a song, is enormous compared to the amount of money they would make from one CD sale. What is the point of selling CD's, when you can sell the rights to more songs instead? Not only this, but if the music were available to the public, the exclusivity, and rarity value of the songs diminish (granted, the value of popularity might kick in). The rarity of the song is probably a really great selling point for production companies.

As far as kmb and ensayne1's reasonings for why they continue to download, I believe it all comes down to one simple fact, as I've said before. There are no perceived consequences to committing the crime. Determining whether or not Vanton loses money is just determining how much guilt one has while committing the crime. As there are also no perceived consequences for the trailer companies, it makes it even easier for people to steal their music, because there is very little guilt.

And again, something which I find to be ironic: people who steal the music, aren't giving the companies who make the music any reason to release it. Who's to say that the legally released music won't be traded illegally? Some say that they would pay if they had the option. This is an honorable stance, but not everyone would.

And ajl3, please don't discourage Vanton from posting. After all, this is our only contact with the Trailer Music world!

LOOOL! I hope this doesn't affect his career... Probably the film industry won't hire him again as trailer voice because he made fun of it? Hope not!

"Van Damme in the same crap you've seen before" was really funny!

You do realize, that he's NOT doing trailers, right? He's just really good at imitating that voice.

I started to see it differently after a while...

I love bombastic epic sounding music with lot's of choir. This kind of music happens to be mainly trailer music. I also have lot of epic choral soundtracks legally in my collection. So it doesn't have to be trailer music per se...

It would be a good thing that epic choral music would become more mainstream (like the carmina burana for instance. Everybody knows that). If epic choral stuff becomes more available and known to the general public then trailer music would lose it's 'magic' effect a little bit because people are used to the genre and aren't easily impressed, which may lead to more commercial releases in the future...

But times are getting better. The past year more and more epic stuff is being released to the general public. Soundtracks like Lair, a new Posthumus album, the german group E Nomine is again together and much more...

So people, promote epic choral music in general, not trailer music...

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One problem in your argument......

You made a pot - worked hard for days on it, I see it, I want it, I ask you if I can buy it or have it and you say no.

I BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE AND STEAL IT

Thats great - no problem - well I wonder if you would say that or would you be a bit pi&&ed??


Oh come on, this argument is sooo flawed! I never broke into your house or studio, not even into your servers to steal anything. I never even stole at all, because copying for private use is not stealing. When I steal, I take something away from you, something you'll no longer have in the future. I downloaded one of your albums, the first one, but so what, you still have it. I even bought the Globus CD to let you get some money from me, although it sucked (imo).

To get back to your idea with the pot: Yes, you can have the same one, I don't care. If you had let's say a Star Trek-like matter replication device, you can scan my pot and replicate it. I would feel honoured that someone appreciates my pottery!

All theory, you might say now, but it's not so, because I have shared works of my own. It wasn't pottery or music, but writings. I am a hobby writer, I wrote two novels and three role-playing game systems (in German language). The RPGs I created for myself and friends were not intended to be published, still I put much work into them - I have been working on the last one for ten years, it's about 700 pages by now (a SciFi universe) and still not finished.
One of my games a lot of people were interested in at conventions I released into the internet with a CC license for everyone to have and to enjoy. I didn't publish it because I knew there was just a small number of people interested in it, so printing probably wouldn't have been profitable. It's a kind of satyrical anti-RPG where players create monsters or serial killers and battle against each other, using force as well as wits. I played it at several RPG conventions in Germany, and when people asked me if they could have it, I gave it to them. Just like my pot you want to have...



Lets all laugh at kmb - the original robin hood who steals from people but forgets to give the proceeds to the poor

Okay, laugh at me for sharing my works with people who are interested in it, I feel good doing so, as I feel with downloading. I don't consider myself morally supperior, by the way, as Robin Hood did.
Another thing, if I download an album I can buy, I only do it for test listening, and if I like it, I buy the CD so I can flac it. I've got about 500 original CDs in my living room and if I hadn't downloaded some of them first, I probably never would have bought them, as I never would have known them. To sum it up, I don't think I have to feel guilty about any download.

The fact is that when something is good, people want it. Trailer music is good, so people want it.
When you see a movie, and at a moment, you hear a music and think "damn its good, I want the soundtrack", and you buy it when it comes out.
Now you see a trailer of a movie, you hear a music and think "damn I want it", and you buy the soundtrack, and the music is not on it. (That's what I did a few years ago, then I discovered trailer music. You can't reasonably make people listen a good music, and tell them you can't have it!
And now we are back to the main problem....again and again...

But the fact is Trailer Music is shared, that's the way of the internet, and even one million of Vanton won't stop this. Leak will always exist.
I understant the point of view of the compagnies, but kmb, licenturion, me and many others have our own. None of us will change.



As there are also no perceived consequences for the trailer companies, it makes it even easier for people to steal their music, because there is very little guilt.

No, Trailer Music is still hard to find, why do you think that 10 newbies come here every day asking for ?
Now, there is consequences for all others music and movies... Does it stop illegal download ? No...
Can't stop the internet :cool:

can someonoe just give me dreams and imaginations

nobody can give you "Dreams and Imaginations", because:

1) We are not allowed to trade any albums by TSFH on this forum, since we were asked not to by the producers of this music;
2) This album hasn't been leaked onto the internet (yet), so nobody has this album to share with you.

I hope this makes everything clear for you now, since thisn't isn't the first time you've asked for this album.. O:]

:-P

.......ignore this post........

Anamorph , 2) This album hasn't been leaked onto the internet (yet), so nobody has this album to share with you.
Isnt that album for the public?

Anamorph , 2) This album hasn't been leaked onto the internet (yet), so nobody has this album to share with you.
Isnt that album for the public?


the public is the last thing this album is intended for

What about the new two steps to hell's stuff? I'm looking for Dreams and Imaginations......

What about the new two steps to hell's stuff? I'm looking for Dreams and Imaginations......

Ohno...what the hell is wrong with people... O:]

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What about the new two steps to hell's stuff? I'm looking for Dreams and Imaginations......

Ok, just one last time. Gather around everyone. Now there is simply no excuse for this. The only thing separating this person from the answer they seek is 4 FREAKING POSTS. Its on the same damn page. You cant just go around posting all willy-nilly.

In short, your post does not meet the minimum usefulness requirement.

I'm goin to bed...

i think you're argument fails



Actually, I think your argument fails for the simple reason: you assume legality=morality.

This assumption is not true and more to the point you have not made an argument on how legality in this case equates morality.

In my opinion, neither Vanton and his company nor the people who take their music have the "moral high ground" no matter how many times Vanton makes his "well, if someone stole something you made or sold wouldnt you be blah blah blah argument" it does not work for the simple reason that in the end, we are their consumers.

And this is the HUGE irony of this circle of logic because the production companies are not the ones who consume, we are. Sure, the production companies pay for them but in the end, the marketing and consumption is directed at us because we pay for the items that they hope their music will help on.

A second level of irony is that this idea of exclusiveness, which is interesting because everytime this issue is brought up I am reminded of the movie
Land of the Dead where Kauffman and his Fiddler's Green.
For those who do not know of the movie:

Land of the Dead is a post apocalyptic movie where most of the world is taken over by zombies and humanity lives in "safe zones". However, with all human development to a point it is stratified. Common people live on the streets, poor and looking for food. Standing in the middle of the safe zone is Fiddler's Green, a huge shopping mall/living complex where the most wealthy and luxurious reside. And George A Romero makes a very interesting point that people miss: none of the "regular" people have a chance of getting into Fiddler's Green, but they constantly market it through TVs to "commoners". Why? should be the question and I think the answer is clear.
Just to go back to the whole point of morality, in the end of the movie SPOILER WARNING
Fiddler's Green is destroyed and overrun by zombies.

Bear McCreary, who i think everyone here would know the works well of, made a very convincing argument on why we should not pirate music. http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=240

I quote

Unlike the radio and television audiences of the past, our relationship is SYMBIOTIC. Like all artist / patron relationships, ours has the potential to be incredibly rewarding for all involved. But, if you download the show illegally, you sacrifice your role in the relationship. You’re no longer a patron of influence, but a spectator from the sidelines, a political pundit who doesn’t vote.

The Church, Emperor Joseph II and Stalin are no longer deciding what music survives and what music is drowned in the shadows of obscurity. Now it’s all up to you. Let’s take advantage of this new era.

-Bear McCreary

His argument resonates with me strongly, since he has made his post, I have bought a second copy of all of his BSG music.

The key point is here that he acknowledges "us" in this relationship and in the case that we steal his music we are not contributing to our role as patrons. What is more poignant is that he is able to make this argument about morality without bringing up "pots and turkeys" while taking legality as a given.

But back to Vanton's music, in this case, do we even have a role if we do; do we even have a choice in how we play this role. CAN we be a "patron of influence" or are we permanently reduced to a "spectator".

Look at that, first post and i am not asking for music :)

Great post cerberusHound! I agree with most of what you said.

I agree with you, legality does not equal morality.

But I don't understand you when you say Vanton does not have the "moral high-ground". The producers will always have the moral high-ground, as they are not obligated to sell their music to the public. Why? Because the public is not the consumer, in my opinion. The movie studios are the consumers, and they are making the demands.

Currently, as you said, there is an agreement between the consumer, and producer. The producer sells a product, and the consumer buys it. As Bear McCreary said, if the consumer decides not to buy and instead steal, "you [the consumer] sacrifice your role in the relationship". You can relate this to supply and demand. The public can only demand if they buy from the supplier. If they don't, they are "a spectator on the sidelines", and don't deserve to have a say.

How can trailer music fans expect to have a say, if they are putting themselves on the sidelines, by obtaining the product illegally? By obtaining the music illegally, the fans are making themselves the consumers. As the self-proclaimed consumers, the fans are disobeying a moral code, and have no right to demand.

You say that the fans are already on the sidelines, and have no influence. I would disagree with you here. I could even use your own argument, and say that since we are the second-hand consumers of this music, we should have influence. However, I would be contradicting myself if I did. We have an influence because we are potential consumers. Anyone selling a product considers who to sell to, and whether or not to sell to one potential consumer versus another, is partially impacted by the potential consumer's opinions and actions.

Unfortunately, I don't think the "Land of the Dead" scenario will play out. Us zombie fans will have a very difficult time overrunning the opinions of the trailer music companies. At the same time, this is our only hope of ever achieving a moral and legal relationship, and becoming the direct consumer of the trailer music. As this is the case, it is very important to show that us fans will uphold the moral agreement between consumer and producer, but this is not happening. Fans need to give the trailer music companies a reason to sell their music; stealing it is not a convincing argument.

Great post cerberusHound! I agree with most of what you said.

I agree with you, legality does not equal morality.

But I don't understand you when you say Vanton does not have the "moral high-ground". The producers will always have the moral high-ground, as they are not obligated to sell their music to the public. Why? Because the public is not the consumer, in my opinion. The movie studios are the consumers, and they are making the demands.

Currently, as you said, there is an agreement between the consumer, and producer. The producer sells a product, and the consumer buys it. As Bear McCreary said, if the consumer decides not to buy and instead steal, "you [the consumer] sacrifice your role in the relationship". You can relate this to supply and demand. The public can only demand if they buy from the supplier. If they don't, they are "a spectator on the sidelines", and don't deserve to have a say.

How can trailer music fans expect to have a say, if they are putting themselves on the sidelines, by obtaining the product illegally? By obtaining the music illegally, the fans are making themselves the consumers. As the self-proclaimed consumers, the fans are disobeying a moral code, and have no right to demand.

You say that the fans are already on the sidelines, and have no influence. I would disagree with you here. I could even use your own argument, and say that since we are the second-hand consumers of this music, we should have influence. However, I would be contradicting myself if I did. We have an influence because we are potential consumers. Anyone selling a product considers who to sell to, and whether or not to sell to one potential consumer versus another, is partially impacted by the potential consumer's opinions and actions.

Unfortunately, I don't think the "Land of the Dead" scenario will play out. Us zombie fans will have a very difficult time overrunning the opinions of the trailer music companies. At the same time, this is our only hope of ever achieving a moral and legal relationship, and becoming the direct consumer of the trailer music. As this is the case, it is very important to show that us fans will uphold the moral agreement between consumer and producer, but this is not happening. Fans need to give the trailer music companies a reason to sell their music; stealing it is not a convincing argument.


Hello everyone. Just want to say I've been a religious follower of this debate for awhile and many of the response on this thread have brought up compelling arguments so I thought I'd pitch in my 2 cents for the sake of participation. Chrismm42, I think what CerberusHound is trying to point out is how trailer music companies try to segregate the production companies from the common consumer as it's list of clients. We are exposed to a type of music but at the same time, we are completely banned from accessing it. This topic has a double edge sword if you think about it. When you put out a product, you run the risk of exposing it to the public and therefore, attract a potential fan base of followers who would want access to it.


There have been products that have been put out on the market in the past for a specifically targeted group (overseas, upperclass, or certain ethic group, etc.) like for instance, the T1 or T3 internet connections before internet was affordable or license copies of software specified for only companies. Eventually, the public caught on and wanted a piece of the pie so the companies were willing to compromise and share it with the public. Dial up to the internet and DSL started reaching out to the regular consumer. Even expensive softwares that were only intended for companies, started to become available to the public. I think software is the best example in this case because it is probably the most duplicated and pirated form of virtual data besides music. If the software developers thought like the trailer music companies and were scared of their products being shared by everyone then the PC market would never have thrived to the point where it is today. This is also the reason why Apple Computers have failed it's first time around and the PC market has succeeded.


Now, back to my point about the segregation of buyers. As KMD, ensayne, and many other trailer music fans have pointed out. When you exposed a group of people to certain type of interest but you completely cut them off in terms of having any access to it, you INDIRECTLY unite the unsung internet followers of this music together as a whole. With the internet being such an important tool these days, the more corporate companies tell us as the consumers that we can not have something, the more reason they give us to go look for it. The music label companies have tried everything within their power to stop P2P's from growing on the internet and one by one, companies like Napster, Audiogalaxy, IMesh, Kazaa, etc. have been sue'd left and right and taken off the web. But, for every P2P that goes down, a new one arises. It got to a point where the music label companies realized that they could not stop the fans from accessing their favorite music so they had to compromise by merging with companies like iTunes and Mp3.com as a second outlet to sell their music.


Trailer music companies need to figure out a way to capitalize on this emerging secondary market of trailer music because there are lost revenues that aren’t accounted for. You have fans who are willing to folk out money (including myself) to buy the trailer music just like any other music we like but you give us no outlet for it. You can call us thieves or freeloaders if you like but if you give us no secondary alternative to buy the music, the TRAILER MUSIC COMPANIES are the ones forcing us to play the role of a SPECTATOR ON THE SIDELINES without giving us an opportunity to be a PATRON OF INFLUENCE, so that is where I think your argument (Chrismm42) fails.



How can trailer music fans expect to have a say, if they are putting themselves on the sidelines, by obtaining the product illegally? By obtaining the music illegally, the fans are making themselves the consumers. As the self-proclaimed consumers, the fans are disobeying a moral code, and have no right to demand.

EDIT: Doesn't matter :D

To loosen this endless discussion up a little bit, a glimpse at my collection at work:



;)

Oh, and before you ask, they're not for share.

Laserschwert, that is the most beautiful sight I have seen in a long while. Why do you torture us so? :)



Trailer music companies need to figure out a way to capitalize on this emerging secondary market of trailer music because there are lost revenues that aren�t accounted for. You have fans who are willing to folk out money (including myself) to buy the trailer music just like any other music we like but you give us no outlet for it. You can call us thieves or freeloaders if you like but if you give us no secondary alternative to buy the music, the TRAILER MUSIC COMPANIES are the ones forcing us to play the role of a SPECTATOR ON THE SIDELINES without giving us an opportunity to be a PATRON OF INFLUENCE, so that is where I think your argument (Chrismm42) fails.

Totally agree with you poeticjustice. I find the trailer music fans have a very strong argument for obtaining the music. I also believe the Trailer Music companies should try and capitalize off of their fanbase. I won't go so far as to say they are obligated to, but I will say that I think they NEED to. It would make all parties happier. If they are really losing money over the illegal downloading, they might as well figure out a cheap and easy way to make some of the money back (iTunes; no physical CD production required). I think the companies need to seriously reconsider their reasons for not selling at least some songs to the public. But what will change their minds? If only we could answer this question, then I feel like something good would be accomplished by this discussion. :)

Laserschwert, why do you have to be such a tease?

You know, I don't actually mind Laserschwert. I'd like to thank you for putting that picture up.
It's seriously awesome; a sight few people have seen!
You made my day. :)

Wow laserschwert, that picture might perhaps be the most sinister and beautiful thing I've seen with respect to trailer music. If only watermarking wasn't such an obstacle!

Laserschwert, that is the most beautiful sight I have seen in a long while. Why do you torture us so? :)



Totally agree with you poeticjustice. I find the trailer music fans have a very strong argument for obtaining the music. I also believe the Trailer Music companies should try and capitalize off of their fanbase. I won't go so far as to say they are obligated to, but I will say that I think they NEED to. It would make all parties happier. If they are really losing money over the illegal downloading, they might as well figure out a cheap and easy way to make some of the money back (iTunes; no physical CD production required). I think the companies need to seriously reconsider their reasons for not selling at least some songs to the public. But what will change their minds? If only we could answer this question, then I feel like something good would be accomplished by this discussion. :)

I have a theory about that but it is a little extreme and really up to you guys.

To me, relatively an outsider, I think they work off your fanbase to increase their finance income so make that work for you. And this may already have been presented.

Start a petition where you will boycott movies who use these company's music. I think you guys have established they are enjoying that barrier where they dont really have to deal with the dynamics of simply consumerism. So force them to.

And it wouldnt have to be large, i think they do petitions online these days.
The movie industry will have to recognize that even at 1000 people and I think 10USD ticket prices these days, they would be losing 10,000 and each multiples of 10, imagine if you guys get 100,000. The movie industry would have to face the prospect of losing a million USD for using a certain kind of music.

The worst that can happen, these companies send representatives to these forums to threaten "stop making this music" but it seems you guys werent getting this music before; so to me, what is the threat of not making a "pot" that you could not get in the first place. And even now, their representatives do not seem to be very kind or patient in discussions/arguments.

Most importantly, this is legal.

But I think what you want is to at least is to get their respect which seems to be very much lacking in this discourse.

This is a theory; most everyone else here seem to have more involved knowledge of this industry.

The movie industry would have to face the prospect of losing a million USD for using a certain kind of music.


And that's just peanuts for them... they would laugh at us. Worst thing that could happen is they won't use that music anymore - and congrats, we ruined some componies. What then? Can TSFH exist by only making music for a few fans? I doubt that. There are not enough trailer music fans to pull off anything like that... And I really think trying to blackmail our favorite composers is just wrong, even if it was possible!

I've got a better idea - why not make a petition to TSFH or others to sell/licence music to fans for private listening (for a reasonable price)? This doesn't need to be public, so the movie industry would not know. And even if, so what? We are just a few, I don't think it would change anything. And if we got our music legally and watermarked, none of us would share, it wouldn't leak and the illegal trailer music download scene would die out, problem solved, everyone happy! I think that would be the best solution. Off course they shouldn't sell CDs in shops, that would take away their status of being rare, but if we fans could get the music by PM or email (specially watermarked for everyone) everyone could be happy, and they would even get money from us.

TJB from TSFH, if you're still with us, what do you think?

I've got a better idea - why not make a petition to TSFH or others to sell/licence music to fans for private listening (for a reasonable price)? This doesn't need to be public, so the movie industry would not know. And even if, so what? We are just a few, I don't think it would change anything. And if we got our music legally and watermarked, none of us would share, it wouldn't leak and the illegal trailer music download scene would die out, problem solved, everyone happy! I think that would be the best solution. Off course they shouldn't sell CDs in shops, that would take away their status of being rare, but if we fans could get the music by PM or email (specially watermarked for everyone) everyone could be happy, and they would even get money from us.

This is a good idea. Unfortunatly it won't happen I think. In the end it are all private companies. And the main goal of a private company is making as much profit as possible. And that goal can only be achieved with their current business model...

A lot of companies work that way. It's also in my company. We also work for a specific audience. When other people contact us our job is to ignore them because they are not profitable enough. That's the decision of management...and it stinks that you have to let people down every week IMO

In the end it's all a question of money. A lot of money that we don't have...

omg close this forum or share share and share. im sick of this intelligent shits about what is legal and what isnt...

omg close this forum or share share and share. im sick of this intelligent shits about what is legal and what isnt...

You completely missed the point of the discussion!

We CAN'T SHARE what we DON'T HAVE!



This is a good idea. Unfortunatly it won't happen I think.

Of course I know it ain't gonna happen. Wishful thinking and daydreaming, yes! I was so hoping to get a PM by TJB that I can get Legend for let's say 100 bucks (damn, I'd even pay 200) legally. Again, of course this won't happen, naive belief in miracles, prove me wrong, etc.

Hey, a man can still dream, can't he?

And that's just peanuts for them... they would laugh at us. Worst thing that could happen is they won't use that music anymore - and congrats, we ruined some componies. What then? Can TSFH exist by only making music for a few fans? I doubt that. There are not enough trailer music fans to pull off anything like that... And I really think trying to blackmail our favorite composers is just wrong, even if it was possible!



Your thinking is a little narrow. Possibly losing a million dollars because they are paying, i dont know, 100,000 to use a certain kind of music would be funny and pretty detrimental.

While you're collecting signatures it makes the other point as well, if there are that many people 100,000 x10USD (per CD), and that's pretty cheap, : voila, you covered the cost of making most of those albums.

I do not agree this would be a form of blackmail since in my original post I did not provide the resolution to be : if they sold their music to the public this would end.

There are not enough trailer music fans to pull off anything like that...

No there aren't at this moment. But I think this has to do with the lack of decent marketing campaigns...

This kind of music is popular. The pirates 3 music is a bit in the same style (epic sounding, choirs, dramatic) and was one of the best sold OST last year. With the right marketing you can sell anything :)

We CAN'T SHARE what we DON'T HAVE!


maybe you dont have, but others yes...and i want it all. i will come to your houses for it. will you make me some cookies please? thank ya

Lookin for speed racer trailer music, it's not BT's godspeed, nor flaming june.
It is not Iron Fisted Mutha - 300 years later.
And it is not Birthright (demo) - Celldweller.
However it plays near the beginning of the second trailer I think.
Thx in advance, if not for the file at least for the info on the song.

A link to that trailer and from wich second you hear your music, please?

A link to that trailer and from wich second you hear your music, please?

Ok, got it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aLwVYmcBg8

It's during 0:50 seconds. thx again.

when do people have rights to buy them?
when work in advertising?

when do people have rights to buy them?
when work in advertising?

I think the only answer to this is: when you have enough money for it
Licening costs are about 10000 to 13000$ for each licensed song for the more popular companies

Licening costs are about 10000 to 13000$ for each licensed song for the more popular companies

No, it's not that much... licensing existing soundtracks costs that much, and that's exactly why trailer music is composed in the first place.

Stuff like the Media Ventures Director's Cuts even goes down to something between 200 and 300 USD, depending on usage.

So, instead of selling an entire album for a mere pocket change, they could charge per song usage for a premium price. Sounds like a sweet deal the music trailer companies are hesitant to let go if they sell their products to the public.

I think the only answer to this is: when you have enough money for it
Licening costs are about 10000 to 13000$ for each licensed song for the more popular companies

Hey I got a noob question. What exactly does it mean to license a song?

Hey I got a noob question. What exactly does it mean to license a song?

When you want to use copyrighted media, so you pay to the author for permission thus being able to use it (like the music used in movie trailers and stuff).
You acquire a limited license for being able to use it.

So, instead of selling an entire album for a mere pocket change, they could charge per song usage for a premium price. Sounds like a sweet deal the music trailer companies are hesitant to let go if they sell their products to the public.

There's a difference between selling an album to the public, and licensing music. Trailer music companies could sell their music to the public for pocket change, and still sell the usage rights for a premium price. The public would only be buying the rights to listen to the songs, not the rights to use them in their own productions.


No, it's not that much... licensing existing soundtracks costs that much, and that's exactly why trailer music is composed in the first place.

Stuff like the Media Ventures Director's Cuts even goes down to something between 200 and 300 USD, depending on usage.

You are absolutely right Laserschwert; and of course you are. You would know. It's unfortunate, but people don't realize that it is possible to license music at reasonable prices. I haven't tried it (yet), but I'm sure a student filmmaker might be able to make a deal with one of the trailer music companies to use a song at an affordable price (at least one of the ones that isn't exclusive to major motion pictures (Immediate Music is exclusive)). It can be done with both popular and unpopular bands as well. If you're making your own production, there's no reason not to ask the company for usage rights. You just have to hope they'll give a reasonable price.

Thanks

That's it, questions answered.

Ok, got it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aLwVYmcBg8

It's during 0:50 seconds. thx again.

By the way, please help me identifying that song there.
Thx in advance!

Anyone have the Two Steps From Hell album that includes 1000 Ships Alternate Ending? If you do, mind sending it to me via PM or e-mail? :)

No, it's not that much... licensing existing soundtracks costs that much, and that's exactly why trailer music is composed in the first place.

Stuff like the Media Ventures Director's Cuts even goes down to something between 200 and 300 USD, depending on usage.

soo..........if I shelled out 200 to 300 dollars, I could get those albums......legally?

If that is the case, then why must an account be confirmed by an agent of these music libraries? Or is that a totally different issue?

I can pay some money for their songs.but how to do..

soo..........if I shelled out 200 to 300 dollars, I could get those albums......legally?

If that is the case, then why must an account be confirmed by an agent of these music libraries? Or is that a totally different issue?

I think it all comes down to what the 'client' is using the music for. As this is production music, companies are licensing this music for productions. In my comment above I said a student filmmaker might have a chance at paying for music rights for some companies. I highly doubt that they would license music to a person for their listening pleasure, and I highly doubt they would license it for someone's YouTube video. To buy rights, you have to be making some sort of production, on some sort of professional level (and I'm considering student to be the lowest of professional levels). Of course, the lower the budget the client has, the cheaper the music licensing will be (possibly; if they're nice). Of course, if there is any possibility of profit being made from the production; well, that's a different story.

To loosen this endless discussion up a little bit, a glimpse at my collection at work:



;)

Oh, and before you ask, they're not for share.


Hi Laserschwert, can you post here a picture with bach side(cover) of all your Two Steps From hell albums? I want to see them:-)

Well Laserschwert you must feel really special :)
So far I only see 1 exclusive in your collection...for now

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The Way the Cookie Crumbles :)

soo..........if I shelled out 200 to 300 dollars, I could get those albums......legally?
That's the price per track, not per album ;-)

But still that's quite low. Hiring someone to compose you a new piece would cost a lot more than that (as does licensing some well-known rock-song or soundrack-cue).

Still, the price depends on your usage. 200 - 300 dollars applies to either a limited usage in local TV, or in-house publication (up to 1000 copies... which makes sense for big companies). Having it be used in a world-wide theatrical trailer for example makes it go up to several thousand dollars as well.


So far I only see 1 exclusive in your collection...for now
Which one?


Hi Laserschwert, can you post here a picture with bach side(cover) of all your Two Steps From hell albums? I want to see them:-)
Sure... just give me a day or so.

Laserschwert!! It's so awesome that I will cry, more beautiful than a Pin-up.. Oo hum well... I mean... :D Yeah I think it's fifty fifty ;)

There's a difference between selling an album to the public, and licensing music. Trailer music companies could sell their music to the public for pocket change, and still sell the usage rights for a premium price. The public would only be buying the rights to listen to the songs, not the rights to use them in their own productions.


So how would this apply to YouTube amateur music video makers? I think it would be a hassle for some of the music trailer companies to go after all those in violation of their song usage rights if they were to sell their albums to the public. It's a potential problem they probably don't want to deal with. But on the other hand, it's not like their current approach to keeping their music off the web is working either.

So how would this apply to YouTube amateur music video makers? I think it would be a hassle for some of the music trailer companies to go after all those in violation of their song usage rights if they were to sell their albums to the public. ... But on the other hand, it's not like their current approach to keeping their music off the web is working either.

I agree. However, their current approach to keeping their music off the web is working better than it would if it was available to the public. So, while they would be making money off sales, they might be losing more money in licensing costs, as the popularity of the music rises, and the accessibility of the music rises.

Here you go with the 2SFH-backs:

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Here you go with the 2SFH-backs:

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Great:-) THX Laserschwert. Another great picture:-) Can you contact me on my MSN([email protected]) or ICQ(293408436)? I have private question about your two steps from hell collection. It is not question about sharing TSFH, dont worry:-)

Then why don't you just PM me here?

Then why don't you just PM me here?

I dont know how?

MrDream, to send/receive PM, you have to have 5 posts minimum. ;)

Laserschwert, you're picture is incredible Oo Who are you for have all theses albums ? A Produccer, composer ?...

aaaha, thx:-)

MrDream, to send/receive PM, you have to have 5 posts minimum. ;)

Laserschwert, you're picture is incredible Oo Who are you for have all theses albums ? A Produccer, composer ?...

I have 6 post but i still dont know how to send private message. I am computer antitalent:-)

I have 6 post but i still dont know how to send private message. I am computer antitalent:-)

ha it works:-)

Hello friends!

I'm looking for a very very rare track by Music Junkies called "The Aggresor". Could someone help me pleeeease? It was used in all the "Scream" trailers. Thanxxx!

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Here you go with the 2SFH-backs:

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OMG !! Geat collection !

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MrDream, to send/receive PM, you have to have 5 posts minimum. ;)

OK i do the same

Here you go with the 2SFH-backs:

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AWESOME !

Laserschwert, we so hate you right now :p

Laserschwert, we so hate you right now :p

I assumed that :-P

Was it really such a good idea :confused: Now everybody would ask you for sharing the TSFH or other Albums :cool:

Laserschwert. Can you make the same screen (TSFH back covers) with Brand X Music back covers?

I have got Nemesis :p

Laserschwert, we so hate you right now :p

I assumed that :-P
That was your initial goal wasn't it...to feel special. Well mission accomplised!

Makes me think of a big fat man eating expensive food in front of a starving poor child in Afrika.
Man you must be so proud!

......only we probably aren't in africa and he's probably not eating his albums...........you're just jealous, which is fine considering that you are a fan of trailer music, the point is he couldn't give us these albums even if he wanted to, especially the two two steps from hell albums (D&I or Pathogen). They are watermarked! so if he has any sense of intelligence he probably wouldn't

Yeah, this is only music. :P I want Dreams & Imaginations very much (but not Pathogen, this is not at all the style of music I like to listen) but I understand why Laserschwert keep this music for him.

......only we probably aren't in africa and he's probably not eating his albums...........you're just jealous, which is fine considering that you are a fan of trailer music, the point is he couldn't give us these albums even if he wanted to, especially the two two steps from hell albums (D&I or Pathogen). They are watermarked! so if he has any sense of intelligence he probably wouldn't

Well don't talk without saying, actually, only one TSFH album didn't leak (yet).

Besides, I agree with licenturion. Even if there were no watermark, Laserschwert wouldn't provide any album here.

And showing albums here is useless, maybe you will amaze some noobs, but many of us have all of this, and way more...

hey i need cds about audiomachine, brand x, two steps from helland pfeifer broz, please nothing about immediatte music, x ray dog or future world music i have all their cds

Wow, thanks alot.

hey i need cds about audiomachine, brand x, two steps from helland pfeifer broz, please nothing about immediatte music, x ray dog or future world music i have all their cds

Hey I need a double cheese burger with potatoes, but no coca please, already have a bottle....

Hey man, you are not in a fast-food here, you think you can come, ask for what you want and go away with your command ?
Firts of all, present yourself, and then read some pages of this thread.
When it's done, come back and tell us what mistake you did ok ?

hey i need cds about audiomachine, brand x, two steps from helland pfeifer broz, please nothing about immediatte music, x ray dog or future world music i have all their cds

Hum.. No comment!

jajajaja are you angry??? i need this stuff to do a proyect because x ray dog, immediatte music and fwm i have it all ahhh and some songs of two steps from hell, apm music, 615 music, groove additcs groups that i think that you even hear it

Lets just ignore him, he will go away I think...

jajajaja are you angry??? i need this stuff to do a proyect because x ray dog, immediatte music and fwm i have it all ahhh and some songs of two steps from hell, apm music, 615 music, groove additcs groups that i think that you even hear it

Yeah ok, we understand, I need so many things me too!
Isn't it beautiful to dream?
Hey guy, stop a minute and read a little bit the Thread, we've just told you!

Lets just ignore him, he will go away I think...

LOL yeah maybe! But if he didn't?!?

si todos los links que aparecen aqui no valieran mierda hasta de pronto jajaja try to understand me jackass

si todos los links que aparecen aqui no valieran mierda hasta de pronto jajaja try to understand me jackass

No abla espagnol!

Try in French for me please :-P

si todos los links que aparecen aqui no valieran mierda hasta de pronto jajaja try to understand me jackass

Well, all the links are dead for some reason, now read the thread to know why or get out of here.

Quel boulet...

Quel boulet...

Je ne te le fais pas dire ;)

Une bonne baffe en pleine gueule, c'est bon le cerveau...
:takethat:

Chut ca va donner trop de bonnes id�es ^^


Well, No signs of NIETSZCHESEVEN ---> K.O

Et un coup de botte dans les burnes, �a va lui d�crasser les naseaux � cet ahuri...:naughty:

Et un coup de botte dans les burnes, �a va lui d�crasser les naseaux � cet ahuri...:naughty:


Monkichi is: "Inspired" :laugh:

Well, No signs of NIETSZCHESEVEN ---> K.O

Und wieder ein Depp weniger, der in der �ffentlichkeit nach verbotenen Sachen fragt. Go us!

PS: Has this become the foreign language thread? Gomen, wakaranai...

Monkichi is: "Inspired" :laugh:

Et une banane l� o� il faut, �a va lui nettoyer le colon...:itsamystery:
Pardon pour le salace...:-P

Und wieder ein Depp weniger, der in der �ffentlichkeit nach verbotenen Sachen fragt. Go us!

PS: Has this become the foreign language thread? Gomen, wakaranai...

Ja aber sheinbar her wird nicht sein der dauern

My god, I so suck; I promise, I will not do it again :-X

Co ai biet tieng viet khong ?

Can't answer to this, physically impossible (for me) ^^

Can't answer to this, physically impossible (for me) ^^

Ask Dog using X-Ray...LOL

nyhyl Ad trU to tOt Ad permAd �
tam wa Usd da nyhyl � ankU wa tAk da hy dyldo by

So let's stop this junk now, the thread is getting too messed up!

Was it really such a good idea :confused: Now everybody would ask you for sharing the TSFH or other Albums :cool:

They really do... although I've clearly stated that I won't share them. Heh... people nowadays...


And showing albums here is useless, maybe you will amaze some noobs, but many of us have all of this, and way more...


That was your initial goal wasn't it...to feel special. Well mission accomplised! Makes me think of a big fat man eating expensive food in front of a starving poor child in Afrika.
Man you must be so proud!Yeah, but don't be fooled, I don't get my self-affirmation from people drooling over the CDs I have. I have a real life for that, with friends, family, and a job I love. Some people should try that for a change... feels nice ;) And please stop embarassing yourself... I mean, comparing music that you don't have to starvation in third world countries? Looks like you fill the role for "big fat man" much better than I do...

And regarding the photo, actually I've posted it because I thought people might be interested to see some of this stuff for real. After all it seemed to me that this thread was for collectors interested in trailer-music, and not the kind of "every monkey can download MP3s from the web"-type collector (which the majority here seems to be... "but many of us have all of this, and way more..."), but people who actually care about the music they get, and would prefer a physical copy on their shelf over some throwaway-download. I wasn't expecting negative backlash at all (Noticed the tongue-smiley? Guess its function...), but that was probably stupid.

i appreciate the photos (especially the ones with the track listings), however many of us simply see this a boasting, and of course since we can't get what you have some of us make ourselves feel better by acknowledging the extent of our own personal collection............

anyway, im pretty sure all the collectors on here would rather have the physical cd rather than some download on our comp, but as you (should) know best........this is impossible for us due to the nature of trailer music

I just want to say: thanks Laserschwert for his show.It is a fantastic thing.

maybe we donnot have real CDs of them,but the trailer music give us happy,whatever it is burn on CD or rip in Mp3.

The Covers of TSFH are so BEAUTIFUL!!!

I love them and I think all people here too.

the thing Who has some rare album is not important. I think we will get soon,maybe we need to spend more time and more patient to do.

but,why not? do you remember the collection' beginning of our? at that hard time we do our best to look for them,because we love the trailer music so much!

and I think nick phoenix will think so.

so someone can work with this music and get them easy,and someone just can look for by everywhere,so difficult,just it is!

Everyone is great here. Share your collections but not need links,show your friendly but not words controversy because it is not necessary.

we are here because we want to find some music message, but I think we More like to make some music friend.

and here we are friends!

SO,good luck ,every friend :)

use Steve Jobs' word:"Stay Hungry Stay Foolish"

Thanks a lot for the back covers :) Finally have a proper track listing for S&N and ADGTH.

Just wait a year or two. Main reason why latest releases aren't available 'publically' is because of all the heat. As with IM/XRD/etc's older albums, they will eventually surface in good quality. Music will never be kept from going global. Just the way the world is evolving.

If you want rare, rare would be finding FLAC recordings. As much as I appreciate the work of the few that make their own rips, I really wish they would upload it following a certain guide.

Laserschwert, I said it before, and I'll say it again. Thank you for the photos!

I think it's great that you are involved with the business, and that you are sharing a glimpse of what that business is like. Seeing the CD's like that: it's a neat thing.

I understand that you can't share the music; that's the nature of the business. That's fine! We don't want you to lose your job! Anyone who calls this "boasting" should stop looking for what isn't there, and see what there is to see. :) Laserschwert you have access to the music we all love, and any kind of communication from someone like you is a neat thing!

Let's take what we can get on this forum, and not misconstrue Laserschwert's kindness and contributions. :)

Laserschwert, I said it before, and I'll say it again. Thank you for the photos!

I think it's great that you are involved with the business, and that you are sharing a glimpse of what that business is like. Seeing the CD's like that: it's a neat thing.

I understand that you can't share the music; that's the nature of the business. That's fine! We don't want you to lose your job! Anyone who calls this "boasting" should stop looking for what isn't there, and see what there is to see. :) Laserschwert you have access to the music we all love, and any kind of communication from someone like you is a neat thing!

Let's take what we can get on this forum, and not misconstrue Laserschwert's kindness and contributions. :)

Well put. And exactly what everyone needs to hear and know.

Thanks a lot for the back covers :) Finally have a proper track listing for S&N and ADGTH.

Just wait a year or two. Main reason why latest releases aren't available 'publically' is because of all the heat. As with IM/XRD/etc's older albums, they will eventually surface in good quality. Music will never be kept from going global. Just the way the world is evolving.

If you want rare, rare would be finding FLAC recordings. As much as I appreciate the work of the few that make their own rips, I really wish they would upload it following a certain guide.

What is so good about FLAC? I have no idea.

What is so good about FLAC? I have no idea.

Well it's a lossless audio format. The mp3 max bitrate is 320kbps, and the FLAC is around 1000kbps. Better quality.
There is also APE format. They are both lossless compressions of WAV format which is not compressed.

Well, I didn't know that so many poeple would be so happy to see real albums, since the covers are on all the officials sites O_o
Thanks anyway for the back covers, that are way harder to find!

I just want to say: thanks Laserschwert for his show.It is a fantastic thing.

maybe we donnot have real CDs of them,but the trailer music give us happy,whatever it is burn on CD or rip in Mp3.

The Covers of TSFH are so BEAUTIFUL!!!

I love them and I think all people here too.

the thing Who has some rare album is not important. I think we will get soon,maybe we need to spend more time and more patient to do.

but,why not? do you remember the collection' beginning of our? at that hard time we do our best to look for them,because we love the trailer music so much!

and I think nick phoenix will think so.

so someone can work with this music and get them easy,and someone just can look for by everywhere,so difficult,just it is!

Everyone is great here. Share your collections but not need links,show your friendly but not words controversy because it is not necessary.

we are here because we want to find some music message, but I think we More like to make some music friend.

and here we are friends!

SO,good luck ,every friend :)

Amen. :)

[And sorry to continue this subject but I'm very happy to see french people there, I didn't know that trailer music was a bit popular in France!]

Amen. :)

[And sorry to continue this subject but I'm very happy to see french people there, I didn't know that trailer music was a bit popular in France!]

Froggies here ? Fry them and eat in curry sauce !!! LOL
I used to speak french because my babe is... :-P
Where is France ? DTC !!!!

Trailer music is appreciate all over the world. I know peoples from Canada, USA, Germany, China and France that love trailer music. I'm sure there are fans in many others country too =)

monkichi : I'm glad you speak a little french, but it seems that you only know vulgarity...
Stop those clich�, c'est franchement aga�ant � la longue...

Trailer music is appreciate all over the world. I know peoples from Canada, USA, Germany, China and France that love trailer music. I'm sure there are fans in many others country too =)

monkichi : I'm glad you speak a little french, but it seems that you only know vulgarity...
Stop those clich�, c'est franchement aga�ant � la longue...

Oh sorry but when you learn to speak a language, first words are "vulgarity" and my french "amis" did all commentaries in this thread...:-P

Alala.
Vive la France :)

Shuyan, c'est pas vrai que tu te fais encore chier � poster sur ce forum... moi j'ai arr�t� depuis longtemps :-P

Monkichi, vas te faire foutre (et en plus on s'en tappe que ton cochon soit fran�ais...).
Et en plus �a veut rien dire tes phrases toutes faites en fran�ais (bon, remarque, IM/Globus en font aussi, des phrases fran�aises qui veulent rien dire).


and here we are friends!
C'est ce que je pensais aussi.

Vala. A la prochaine les amis.
Vraiment zarb, ce post... voyons comment �a va se terminer tout �a.

this is starting to get more out of hand. maybe we should just close out this thread to avoid any link posting or requesting for trailer music. If there is no thread then there will be no trailer music. the end.

I wonder how much those album covers cost? The illustrator had to have been paid a good chunk of green to do those. Since only movie industries would have been seeing them. And only the trailer music companines would have posession of and care for the covers.

and it was mentioned on earlier posts that they sell the music by track not album? Makes sense, movie studios wouldnt want a whole album but then whats the point of the album and album cover. And the point of CDs. If they only sell stuff by the tracks then there would be no need for albums. WHy are the trailer music companies so high up on advertising when it would do no good?

Shuyan, c'est pas vrai que tu te fais encore chier � poster sur ce forum... moi j'ai arr�t� depuis longtemps :-P

Monkichi, vas te faire foutre (et en plus on s'en tappe que ton cochon soit fran�ais...).
Et en plus �a veut rien dire tes phrases toutes faites en fran�ais (bon, remarque, IM/Globus en font aussi, des phrases fran�aises qui veulent rien dire).


C'est ce que je pensais aussi.

Vala. A la prochaine les amis.
Vraiment zarb, ce post... voyons comment �a va se terminer tout �a.

[Not Monkichi]
Salut petit p�te-sec, c'est ceux que tu nomment "cochon". :-P
Et pour s'en taper, tu dois t'y connaitre un brin non hein mon gros verrat ? MDR

Au fait, tu dis avoir arr�ter de poster sur ce forum, mais que fais-tu l� encore ?
Ah oui, tu viens leecher sans remercier quiconque...
Bravo, belle mentalit� de merde...� l'inverse de ton pseudo.

Alors si tu n'as que des conneries � dire; CASSES-TOI PAUVRE CON !!!(citation de Sarko...)
:naughty:

Bon ca va, r�gler vos compte en MP....:-\
Inutile de polluer ce topic encore plus.

Bon ca va, r�gler vos compte en MP....:-\
Inutile de polluer ce topic encore plus.

[Not Monkichi]
C'est cet ahuri de leecher qui dit n'importe quoi, donc l'on se devait de r�pondre � ses attaques � la mord-moi-le-n�ud...
Et les MP ne servent � rien dans ce cas pr�cis...
Donc on s'arr�te l� mais s'il reparle encore, nous on va y remettre une couche...

[Not Monkichi]
C'est cet ahuri de leecher qui dit n'importe quoi, donc l'on se devait de r�pondre � ses attaques � la mord-moi-le-n�ud...
Et les MP ne servent � rien dans ce cas pr�cis...
Donc on s'arr�te l� mais s'il reparle encore, nous on va y remettre une couche...

Personnellement, je n'en ai rien a faire que ce topic ferme ou pas, je ne perdrais rien.
Peut �tre que le mauvais jeu de mot qu'a fait elendil avec le cochon (babe) t'as offens�, qui que tu sois, cela dit je constate que tu es aussi polie que ton ami monkichi...
Je n'ai personnellement "leech�" aucun lien sur ce forum depuis que j'y suis, ce qui a mon avis n'es pas votre cas.
Vous pouvez continuer a polluer ce topic comme il vous plaira (� 2 c'est plus efficace que seul je vous l'accorde ;) )
Puisque nous en �tions sur le th�me du cochon il me semble, il ne me reste plus qu'a vous sugg�rer d'abandonner votre langage de porc, et � d�buter la lecture de vrais auteur ce qui enrichira votre vocabulaire, culture et qui vous �vitera � l'avenir de citer un pseudo pr�sident pour d�fendre vos id�es � la noix.

***Sorry everyone for those messages in french, but we needed to shut some mouth up here***

Alors l� mon coco je pense que tu te m�prends plus que fortement sur mon compte... relis bien TOUS mes posts de ce topic et dis moi dans lequel j'ai demand� ne serait-ce qu'UNE SEULE MUSIQUE... ou alors tu ne sais pas ce que veux dire leecher...
De plus je ne vois pas pourquoi je remercierais pour des albums que je n'ai pas pris, donc pour ma mentalit�, je pense que �a va.

Ceux qui me connaissent ici savent bien que je n'ai pas besoin de leecher car je poss�de bien plus de sources que tu ne le penses. Je suis newbie ici mais loin de l'�tre sur d'autres forums.

monkichi c'est 2 personnes, en fait? Celui qui traite les fran�ais du pitoyable clich� de grenouilles, et en m�me temps celui qui arrive enfin � �crire des phrases qui ont un peu de sens en fran�ais?

Et si tu as mal prit la blague du cochon, excuse-moi, je ne pensais pas que tu prenais tout s�rieusement, au 1er degr�... Par contre le clich� de la grenouille, �a devient lourd... c'est loin d'�tre dr�le (d'ailleurs je sais pas si tu as remarqu�, personne n'a rebondi dessus, tu es le seul � en rire).
Quant au "Where is France ? DTC !!!!", je pense que je ne ferai aucun commentaire devant une phrase aussi conne (excusez du peu).

En tout cas, oui il fallait que je reparle, et j'ai h�te que tu en remettes une couche. Seulement, le probl�me, c'est qu'il te faudra trouver des arguments convaincants, et, surtout, v�ridiques.

Je voudrais dire � tout le monde que je d�plore un tel dialogue, qui, pour moi, est totalement st�rile, et je tiens � m'en excuser.
I want to apologize to everybody for that conversation that I found totally sterile.

Personnellement, je n'en ai rien a faire que ce topic ferme ou pas, je ne perdrais rien.
Peut �tre que le mauvais jeu de mot qu'a fait elendil avec le cochon (babe) t'as offens�, qui que tu sois, cela dit je constate que tu es aussi polie que ton ami monkichi...
Je n'ai personnellement "leech�" aucun lien sur ce forum depuis que j'y suis, ce qui a mon avis n'es pas votre cas.
Vous pouvez continuer a polluer ce topic comme il vous plaira (� 2 c'est plus efficace que seul je vous l'accorde ;) )
Puisque nous en �tions sur le th�me du cochon il me semble, il ne me reste plus qu'a vous sugg�rer d'abandonner votre langage de porc, et � d�buter la lecture de vrais auteur ce qui enrichira votre vocabulaire, culture et qui vous �vitera � l'avenir de citer un pseudo pr�sident pour d�fendre vos id�es � la noix.

***Sorry everyone for those messages in french, but we needed to shut some mouth up here***

[NOT Monkichi]


Alike shuyan, I have to shut some mouths up into this thread in french language...

Ce n'est pas de toi que je parlais alors avant d'�crire des inepties � l'instar de ton pote qui parle de porc, relis quelque peu les commentaires et fais quelques recherches sur qui "leech" ou non...
Nous, nous sommes l� pour d�fendre Monkichi qui ne comprend pas �norm�ment la langue de Moli�re.

Avoues que tu es quand m�me � l'origine de ce petit d�bat avec ton commentaire sur son fran�ais vulgaire...

Et � propos de pseudo pr�sident, c'est quand m�me 53% des fran�ais dans ton genre qui l'ont �lu...
Tu n'as m�me pas su relever l'ironie � ce propos, donc tu n'es pas aussi fin que tu veux le faire croire.
Et ton orthographe laisse � d�sirer...

Donc avant de vouloir me fermer la bouche, relis-toi quelque peu avec un chouia de r�flexion...

Sur ce, salut � toi !!!

@ elendil :

Tiens ? Te revoil� toi avec ton " Monkichi vas te faire foutre" ?

Qu'est-ce qu'on en � faire que tu aies plus de sources que les autres sur d'autres forums ? Tu as besoin de �a pour exister et te montrer int�ressant ?
Relis-toi un peu et tu comprendras...coco...

Allez, salut � toi aussi.

Ah, il y Monkichi qui demande que l'on cesse ces idioties... Il n'a pas tort le bougre.

Tiens ? Te revoil� toi avec ton " Monkichi vas te faire foutre" ?

Qu'est-ce qu'on en � faire que aies plus de sources que les autres sur d'autres forums ? Tu as besoin de �a pour exister et te montrer int�ressant ?
Relis-toi un peu et tu comprendras...coco...

Je fais quoi: je ris ou je pleure?
Nan, s�rieusement, devant de telles d�bilit�s je ne peux rien, d�sol�.


Nous, nous sommes l� pour d�fendre Monkichi qui ne comprend pas �norm�ment la langue de Moli�re.

Ah zut, vous �tes combien maintenant? Vous avez besoin de vous y mettre � combien pour pondre des posts pareils?


Et � propos de pseudo pr�sident, c'est quand m�me 53% des fran�ais dans ton genre qui l'ont �lu...
Tu n'as m�me pas su relever l'ironie � ce propos, donc tu n'es pas aussi fin que tu veux le faire croire.

Je pense que la politique n'a rien � faire sur un forum comme celui-ci.
Vas (enfin, allez) continuer ton (votre?) d�bat ici: http://help.berberber.com/elections-presidentielles/

Je suis d'accord pour qu'on arr�te cette discussion � combien inint�ressante (et pour qu'on ferme ce topic une bonne fois pour toutes).

Je fais quoi: je ris ou je pleure?
Nan, s�rieusement, devant de telles d�bilit�s je ne peux rien, d�sol�.



Ah zut, vous �tes combien maintenant? Vous avez besoin de vous y mettre � combien pour pondre des posts pareils?



Je pense que la politique n'a rien � faire sur un forum comme celui-ci.
Vas (enfin, allez) continuer ton (votre?) d�bat ici: http://help.berberber.com/elections-presidentielles/

Je suis d'accord pour qu'on arr�te cette discussion � combien inint�ressante (et pour qu'on ferme ce topic une bonne fois pour toutes).

[NOT Monkichi]
Y a rien � dire devant ce manque de r�parties...

C'mon Moderators, close this thread please !!!
This is the download section, not chat one...

Monkichi online :

OK guys, we should apologize to each others.

Myself for "froggies" and you for " F**k you Monkichi...=)

This is enough now!

Der Franz�sisch ist VERBOTTEN hier! Jawoll!

Seriously, let's stick to English so everyone can discuss. Please...

I only notice that monkichi used vulgarity when he speaks french, that's all.
After that, I don't know how many people are on his computer, are attacking us O_o


[NOT Monkichi]

C'mon Moderators, close this thread please !!!
This is the download section, not chat one...

Oh, isn't that a proof ? If you had read a few pages of this thread, you would knew that we don't share any links here now, and we only use it for discuss about trailer music.
Read before posting please, thanks!

J'ai simplement constat� que les mots fran�ais (et grossiers) qu'il connait viennent de l'un(e) de vous. C'est bien beau de sortir des belles phrases et des mots du dico, surtout quand on sort des grossi�ret�s...
Perso je pr�f�re faire des fautes plut�t que d'utiliser votre langage et vos arguments on ne peu plus pitoyables (politique) auxquels je n'ai m�me pas envie de r�pondre.

***Fin de la discutions***

PS. On se cr�� un compte quand on veut parler, on ne se cache pas derri�re celui d'un autre.

For those of us that have the misfortune of only knowing one language, was there anything of note said on the previous pages? I try to keep up with this thread as best i can, which becomes...tricky when other languages are involved.

All I can gather is that someone had their friend over and that friend had beat them silly with a baseball bat and then they had some sort of stroke and then they thought that this threat was not English so they started speaking French, Italian, Spanish and Portugese maybe.
SPEAK ENGLISH

Sorry for all of this guys, I won't speak english anymore. I won't continue this foolish conversation.
Let's go back to trailer music here :D

Sorry again.

Oula je m'absente un moment et ca part en cahuette... :S

Well, just like Shuyan say: Let's go back to Trailer Music:

I don't remeber what is the music used in Bangkok Dangerous:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_gate/bangkokdangerous/trailer/
Just after "What is your work?"

Oula je m'absente un moment et ca part en cahuette... :S

Well, just like Shuyan say: Let's go back to Trailer Music:

I don't remeber what is the music used in Bangkok Dangerous:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_gate/bangkokdangerous/trailer/
Just after "What is your work?"

now that is a great song right there hopefully someone knows the name.. i searched at soundtracks.net but its not yet in their database... let me know i u find it, thnx

�Hey guys!

I'm composer, and i make music trailer pack. Is music is not same immediate but, finally, something is beginning, I hope in the future a little closer and offer music for everyone! jaja

I'm selling the royalty-free and besides, can be used where they want, is what should happen, it is hurt that the great songs can not be heard by exclusivity or something similar!

Does anyone know the new piece of the new trailer Hulk? similar to immediate but i don't know, is very powerfull!! i like that

Finally I leave with you here the links to hear my trailer pack, a greeting: D
http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=63431

�Hey guys!

I'm composer, and i make music trailer pack. Is music is not same immediate but, finally, something is beginning, I hope in the future a little closer and offer music for everyone! jaja

I'm selling the royalty-free and besides, can be used where they want, is what should happen, it is hurt that the great songs can not be heard by exclusivity or something similar!

Does anyone know the new piece of the new trailer Hulk? similar to immediate but i don't know, is very powerfull!! i like that

Finally I leave with you here the links to hear my trailer pack, a greeting: D
http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=63431


Well, hello and wellcome here!
Music of the trailer of Hulk is probably Fury Unleashed by IM (unless if you'r are talking about a new trailer that I din't seen.)

So, you are Albert Alvarez ? You compose trailer music and sell it like this ? cool. I'm curious, let's listen to the demo :D

EDIT : Good music, I like that, Atlantis is great!
Just one question :
It is write "Note: Demo tracks, only 30s to 32kb/s - You can buy entire album in Renderosity 20 tracks full 192kb/s"
Only 192kbps ? No flac, ape or 320kbps ?
When we pay, do we buy the physical album or only mp3 ?

Thanks for your answer ;)

Yeah i'm Albert Alvarez, the trailer music pack is only to 192 kbps. Atlantis is in Soundtrack Suites 8 tracks to 320 kbps. And now i'm working in terror pack, the price is for download mp3, and the licence for use comercial or non-comercial. You can use this music where you want, I think this pretty well, looking for any similar royalty-free on the Internet.

I like trailers and i'm a fan like you!!
The new trailer Hulk. Would you say is very similar to Fury Unleashed but the chorus seems different. The notes are not consistent with any piece of the song. What strange? http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/theincrediblehulk/large.html

Yeah i'm Albert Alvarez, the trailer music pack is only to 192 kbps. Atlantis is in Soundtrack Suites 8 tracks to 320 kbps. And now i'm working in terror pack, the price is for download mp3, and the licence for use comercial or non-comercial. You can use this music where you want, I think this pretty well, looking for any similar royalty-free on the Internet.


I think that mp3 doesn't interess professionnals (for commercial use). They only take uncompress formats. I think you should sell a cd with real wav quality, and ship it to those you want your music.

Btw, i listen to your music, there are good tracks!

Yeah, I have the wavs, what can I raise the cd's later, but leaves more expensive and is a little more complicated to sell. Maybe when improve my technique, for the moment only hope to help people who need music for their projects.

Yeah, I have the wavs, what can I raise the cd's later, but leaves more expensive and is a little more complicated to sell. Maybe when improve my technique, for the moment only hope to help people who need music for their projects.

Why don't you provide uncompressed format then ?

thanks for the comments, The Renderosity shop is limit to 70 mb for download, really two files of 35 mb max. also must be offered on CD or DVD, but the initial cost for this is great, burn cd, tape, printing and shipping. I do not think anybody bought, I'm not immediate xD With the initial proposal does not exist any expense, only the % that stays the store for sale. He did not rule out that it can do so in the future.

I understand.
Just one thing : I would buy one of your product soon, using Renderosity.
After I payed, is there a way that you send me directly the tracks in 320kbps for exemple ?
This way, we forget the limitation of 70Mb right ?

now that is a great song right there hopefully someone knows the name.. i searched at soundtracks.net but its not yet in their database... let me know i u find it, thnx

Yeah I know I ever search on Soundtrack.net , that why I ask you guys, I know this is a music from Hans Zimmer or Remote Control (What's the difference? :naughty: ) like peacemaker, or crimson tide... GRRRRRR :-P

Btw, i listen to your music,DemianFox
there are good tracks!

has anyone here heard the stardust OST?

it's pretty good (here's the shitty quality of septimus and shooting starr), it's epic based I guess you could say, the movie is as good as its soundtrack sounds

Septimus (1:15)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVjC0GZjsOo

Shooting Star (3:29) [(this one gives me that butterfly feeling)]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5exhwAvO3-M

i'll post the mp3s if somebody wants them

Hi Demianfox, welcome to the board
Just checked out your demo reel and I really like your concept/idea. :)
And I think it's an excellent start you made, I hope you will continue!

One question though:
Can we listen to a demo of the trailer pack as well? The link you posted seems to redirect us to your soundtrack suite music pack:
http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=63940
This is a different product from the Trailer pack, right?

Here :

http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=DemianFox


I think I will buy them :D

Yes Arumon, now i have two packs in store. Now i'm composing other packs, score genre- unique style (Terror, Epic, Romance, Adventure etc).

Shuyan, I plan to send, when I finalize the next terror pack, links songs Dark Fury, Dark Fury (Non-Choir), Rise a Knight and Atlantis (to 320kb/s) to all those who have purchased the "Trailer Music Pack" through the store mail system massive to update the pack and promote new packs.

Greetings. Thanks ^__^

Alright, thank you!

The demo of Legend is out now:
http://www.twostepsfromhell.com/legend.php

The demo of Legend is out now:
http://www.twostepsfromhell.com/legend.php

Lol, I have checked their site every day, and finaly it's here!

Wahou, awesome!
I love the artwork.

Thanks Mercury ;)

Great but I'm disappointed by the length. Only 7 minutes :(
Nemesis had a much longer demo...

I only like the final minutes of the demo. I think there is too much "happy adventure" and too less "apocalyptic action". It's sounds great, but Nemesis sounded better...

here is is direct download link: http://www.twostepsfromhell.com/2SFHwebcontent/mp3/legend-promomix.mp3

you can totally tell that its thomas's kinda style
i kinda agree, this one seems kinda toned down except for the song samples that are in the last 2 minutes of the promo

and of course the last track happens to be hypnotica, save the best for last ey?

I like the promo... I like tracks like Hypnotica, but also the more calm drama tracks... as for the promo, good job Thomas :)

Hey Guys, did you see the trailer of the Dark Knight movie? http://www.whysoserious.com/happytrails/trailer.htm

There is in some music composed by James and Hans but not music in the first one, maybe there are extract from the score of this second one (I hope :P); unknown in soundtrack.net :S

I only hear stuff from the first one? (though I doubt at one theme, but it sounds a lot like from the 1st movie)

I only like the final minutes of the demo. I think there is too much "happy adventure" and too less "apocalyptic action". It's sounds great, but Nemesis sounded better...


My thoughts exactly! I wanted to post exactly the same.

On the other hand, when thinking about this, maybe I just want to convince myself that Nemesis is much better, as I probably won't get Legend in the near future...

We have streaming of the catalogue on our site www.immediatemusic.com - I also give access to me own server in AAC for people who contact me wanting to temp tracks, but they have to be checked.

We get so many sending requests and I check every one - you won't be surprised to hear how many are "at school or college" when their mother answers the phone of "mega TV paramount productions" ;-)

FOR LICENTURIAN - my "?" reply was because I screwed up the initial reply and ended up replying twice! Sorry if it looked like I was confused

Hey Vanton, I realize it has been a long time since this message was posted, but I was wondering if you are still offering access to your server. I am creating my own personal "productions" and would like to "temp" tracks for a few of them to see if it adds the little kickass that could make them much better. These productions are non-profit and non-benefit if that helps anything...

Thanks man.

My thoughts exactly! I wanted to post exactly the same.
On the other hand, when thinking about this, maybe I just want to convince myself that Nemesis is much better, as I probably won't get Legend in the near future...

Yeah I think it's becoming more 'soundtrack music' instead of 'trailer music'. It reminds me of the soundtrack of some hero movie like Superman Returns for instance. Also the music has become predictable over some time. I can hum along with the choir without having heard the tracks before. I wonder why Thomas Bergersen doesn't do movie soundtracks. He's capable enough and he could make much more money with it on his own. Plus it would get released commercially: a win-win for everyone :)

And about the leaking; don't despair. I'm sure it wont take long if demand becomes sky high like with Nemesis. You'll see :)

I agree with kmb... I have my doubts of ever getting it

Cheers, guys! Sit tight, Nemesis II is coming later this year... :)

Cheers, guys! Sit tight, Nemesis II is coming later this year... :)

Welcome back! TSFH is the greatest music company out there! Keep up this great work!

A question: I thought Legend was Nemesis II, because in a previous post you said "I'm about to finish Nemesis II (subtitled "Legend")". So is it the same thing, or is Nemesis II another album (another holy grail unreachable for us *sigh*)?

What about the album you anounced for the fans to buy? Is it still coming? I'm really eager to buy it (even if it's older tracks I already have)!

A last question: What do you think about my idea I posted a few pages ago about "clandestine" licencing of albums for a fee (like $50) for private listening for hardcore fans? By "clandestine" I mean if this is kept private, nobody from the film industry would know, so the music will stay rare but us fans will be happy, too. Is this somehow possible? It would prevent us from illegal downloading and might even hinder your music to spread across the web, because if fans could get it that way, there would be no reason for filesharing for us. As everyone here has kept to the gentleman's agreement of not posting TSFH music anymore, I think you can trust your fans in this area, I'm sure nobody here would spread any file he or she got from you for private listening. So what about it?

BTW: the song in the credit reel 2008 video also at the end of the Legend demo is the greatest song you ever made (imo)! Sounds just like the Nemesis album, only better!

A last question: What do you think about my idea I posted a few pages ago about "clandestine" licencing of albums for a fee (like $50) for private listening for hardcore fans? By "clandestine" I mean if this is kept private, nobody from the film industry would know, so the music will stay rare but us fans will be happy, too. Is this somehow possible? It would prevent us from illegal downloading and might even hinder your music to spread across the web, because if fans could get it that way, there would be no reason for filesharing for us. As everyone here has kept to the gentleman's agreement of not posting TSFH music anymore, I think you can trust your fans in this area, I'm sure nobody here would spread any file he or she got from you for private listening. So what about it?

you say like this it will never spread over the internet? you just increased the chance that it will spread... it's just impossible what you are asking of people here...

but then again, that's my opinion

kmb, I'm sorry to say, but that's just dreaming. How could he know who to trust? How could he be sure that no one will spread the files? This could hardly be kept secret for a longer time ...
I doubt he would take that risk.

it's just impossible what you are asking of people here...

No, it's not - for two reasons:

First, most people here seem to be reasonable and honest. If I would buy something from a valued artists and personally promise to him not to copy it, I would not do so. Other people here have uttered similar ideas, namely that they don't post TSFH music anymore because the producer personally asked them not to do it. Of course there is a huge filesharing scene out there, but do not underestimate the honesty of true fans. How else can you explain that you don't find any TSFH download links anymore? Other major companies (e.g. Hollywood film industry) have rapidshare and other filehoster links to their products deleted, too, but as soon as a link goes dead, a new one will appear. This is not true for TSFH and IM and it's not because of link reports and threats - it's because most of the fans who have this music have agreed not to spread it anymore. For the major music filesharing scene of people downloading everything they can get, trailer music is not interesting. So in this case, this comunity is special.

Second: There is also the watermark. If I get something and I know it's watermarked (or could be watermarked, I don't have the technical knowledge and means to find out) and could be traced back to me, I would not spread this file even if I was a true pirate without any concern for a promise I made - it would be outright stupid!

So if we few fans could get it legally, there would be no demand any longer for any uploads, thus there wouldn't be uploads anymore.

Many thanks to everyone for honoring both ours and Vanton's request to refrain from posting TSFH & IM music. It is a great sign of respect that we appreciate very much, and one that will undoubtedly benefit trailer music fans in the not too distant future. Before people get fired up over my announcement of albums that are not available to the public, let me explain that we have every intention of making our music available and are currently assessing various distribution options. Regarding the name confusion, here's the scoop: The musical direction of "Legend" changed so much during the compositional process that towards the end it didn't carry much relation to the original concept of "Nemesis". I've been devoting nearly all my energy to Nemesis II, which will be a mature extension of its predecessor, with more refined and developed musical content. Fans of the first one will have a field day!

Kmb, we are signing with iTunes so maybe your "holy grail" won't be completely out of reach afterall? ;)

Thanks for all your support and kind comments.

Best regards,
Thomas @ TSFH

Many thanks to everyone for honoring both ours and Vanton's request to refrain from posting TSFH & IM music. It is a great sign of respect that we appreciate very much, and one that will undoubtedly benefit trailer music fans in the not too distant future. Before people get fired up over my announcement of albums that are not available to the public, let me explain that we have every intention of making our music available and are currently assessing various distribution options. Regarding the name confusion, here's the scoop: The musical direction of "Legend" changed so much during the compositional process that towards the end it didn't carry much relation to the original concept of "Nemesis". I've been devoting nearly all my energy to Nemesis II, which will be a mature extension of its predecessor, with more refined and developed musical content. Fans of the first one will have a field day!

Kmb, we are signing with iTunes so maybe your "holy grail" won't be completely out of reach afterall? ;)

Thanks for all your support and kind comments.

Best regards,
Thomas @ TSFH

Tjb,

This is the best news I've heard in 2008. I think I'm gonna cry out of happiness. (And I never cry normally :p)

I hope the great ones (Nemesis, Legend, Nemesis 2) will get an iTunes release. Probably the best spend money this year. When it hits iTunes I'm gonna start my own promotion campaign for it :p

Keep up the good work :)
Besides your music on Nemesis and Legend is just way to good to be chopped up in 20 seconds pieces and put after some flashy SFX effects.

Many thanks, you are a truley gifted person! :)

When it hits iTunes I'm gonna start my own promotion campaign for it :p


What a great idea! :)


Many thanks to everyone for honoring both ours and Vanton's request to refrain from posting TSFH & IM music. It is a great sign of respect that we appreciate very much, and one that will undoubtedly benefit trailer music fans in the not too distant future. Before people get fired up over my announcement of albums that are not available to the public, let me explain that we have every intention of making our music available and are currently assessing various distribution options.

Kmb, we are signing with iTunes so maybe your "holy grail" won't be completely out of reach afterall? ;)

Thanks for all your support and kind comments.

Best regards,
Thomas @ TSFH

Tjb,

That is indeed great news. I'm so glad that you are looking into distribution options. If this does result in music being available to the public you will be making so many fans happy.
I look forward to the Nemesis II demo! You guys do amazing work! :)

Thanks for the update, and thanks for keeping in touch; I think it's great that you're reaching out to us fans this way.

I only hope for jewel case releases for the public...

i think i just got a boner

Many thanks to everyone for honoring both ours and Vanton's request to refrain from posting TSFH & IM music. It is a great sign of respect that we appreciate very much, and one that will undoubtedly benefit trailer music fans in the not too distant future. Before people get fired up over my announcement of albums that are not available to the public, let me explain that we have every intention of making our music available and are currently assessing various distribution options. Regarding the name confusion, here's the scoop: The musical direction of "Legend" changed so much during the compositional process that towards the end it didn't carry much relation to the original concept of "Nemesis". I've been devoting nearly all my energy to Nemesis II, which will be a mature extension of its predecessor, with more refined and developed musical content. Fans of the first one will have a field day!

Kmb, we are signing with iTunes so maybe your "holy grail" won't be completely out of reach afterall? ;)

Thanks for all your support and kind comments.

Best regards,
Thomas @ TSFH

Great news! I'm so happy to read this, thank you! :D

An Itunes release? o_O
wow, just marvellous! And the announcement of Nemesis II... You're really great, Thom. How do you make such beautiful and powerful music in a so little time?
Keep up the good work, you're definitely the best nowadays.
And like chrismm42 said, it's really cool that you come here and talk to us of your projects & work in progress.

You made my day... hum... my month :D

Btw, the sample of Legend is... AMAZING! can't stop listening to it, it's a drug :p

Many thanks to everyone for honoring both ours and Vanton's request to refrain from posting TSFH & IM music. It is a great sign of respect that we appreciate very much, and one that will undoubtedly benefit trailer music fans in the not too distant future.

Kmb, we are signing with iTunes so maybe your "holy grail" won't be completely out of reach afterall? ;)

Thanks for all your support and kind comments.

Best regards,
Thomas @ TSFH


Thank you Thomas for giving us trailer music fans a chance to prove ourselves worthy as patrons of TSFH's masterpiece. I'm looking forward to this upcoming holy grail release on iTunes. You've just made my day.

~ PJ



i think i just got a boner

Ewww..... wrong section buddy. LOL.

Well by the look of the replies here and on other sites I think TJB has made a lot people very very happy today with such great news...

It's a big day and a huge step forward for the trailer music community!

Now I hope everybody has the decency to actually buy it when albums are released I'll be even more extatic. TSFH may even charge 3 times the price of a normal CD. It's worth it and I'm happy to pay for it...

Now I hope everybody has the decency to actually buy it when albums are released I'll be even more extatic. TSFH may even charge 3 times the price of a normal CD. It's worth it and I'm happy to pay for it...
I second this sentiment.

^^ Yeah why not: if that means more releases... :)

Personally I hope they will release the single disk albums over time. Nemesis 1, Nemesis 2 and Legend :)

Hang on a min!? You mean I won't have to sacrifice my firstborn to get TSFH after Nemesis? Nice! That'll save a few police reports!

I'd be happy to buy it if iTunes were available in my country... as it is, I'll have to figure something out.

Many thanks to everyone for honoring both ours and Vanton's request to refrain from posting TSFH & IM music. It is a great sign of respect that we appreciate very much, and one that will undoubtedly benefit trailer music fans in the not too distant future. Before people get fired up over my announcement of albums that are not available to the public, let me explain that we have every intention of making our music available and are currently assessing various distribution options. Regarding the name confusion, here's the scoop: The musical direction of "Legend" changed so much during the compositional process that towards the end it didn't carry much relation to the original concept of "Nemesis". I've been devoting nearly all my energy to Nemesis II, which will be a mature extension of its predecessor, with more refined and developed musical content. Fans of the first one will have a field day!

Kmb, we are signing with iTunes so maybe your "holy grail" won't be completely out of reach afterall? ;)

Thanks for all your support and kind comments.

Best regards,
Thomas @ TSFH

Hmmmm, sorry, I am not that familiar with who you are but I do like to make the request the following: please do not use itunes.

I understand that distributors feel "safer" that they employ the whole DRM protection thing but I believe even Steve Jobs argued that technology really doesnt curtail pirates.

The issue i point to however is that itunes LOVEs to make their music ripped in crappy quality ie 128kbps. And this issue has been pretty apparent.

Take for example John Murphy's masterpiece 28 weeks later. Fox Atomic decides to release it in itunes 128 which was near insulting for his fans.

Anyways, just a consideration, if itunes is absolutely the only choice, please do it to at least 256 or higher in quality.

Personally, if this music is really that good. I would be willing to pay 3-4x the money to get a good quality release instead of settling for a 128 version.

Hmmmm, sorry, I am not that familiar with who you are but I do like to make the request the following: please do not use itunes.

I understand that distributors feel "safer" that they employ the whole DRM protection thing but I believe even Steve Jobs argued that technology really doesnt curtail pirates.

The issue i point to however is that itunes LOVEs to make their music ripped in crappy quality ie 128kbps. And this issue has been pretty apparent.

Take for example John Murphy's masterpiece 28 weeks later. Fox Atomic decides to release it in itunes 128 which was near insulting for his fans.

Anyways, just a consideration, if itunes is absolutely the only choice, please do it to at least 256 or higher in quality.

Personally, if this music is really that good. I would be willing to pay 3-4x the money to get a good quality release instead of settling for a 128 version.

amen, I totally go with you at the no I-tunes part.
and as the four people above, I'm willing to pay more as well, as long as it's a jewel case release

TJB, that was the greatest thing I've ever read on the internet! You made my day, month, year, century, millennium and aeon!

Okay, now that I have calmed down a little, I've second thoughts about iTunes (doesn't really work on my Linux machine) but I'll figure something out, maybe ask a friend with a windows machine to download for me. I'll just hope I can get the tracks to work on my Linux system, because if it's windows or apple DRM it won't work or I'm gonna have to make an analog re-recording and lose yet more quality than I do with mp3. But I'll figure something out, don't think I'm ungrateful, I'm happy about any release. Best thing would of course be a CD or flac release, but I'm happy with anything I can get.

Please tell us here on the board when your music is available somewhere, I can hardly wait. Thanks so much again!!!

Hmmmm, sorry, I am not that familiar with who you are but I do like to make the request the following: please do not use itunes.
I understand that distributors feel "safer" that they employ the whole DRM protection thing but I believe even Steve Jobs argued that technology really doesnt curtail pirates.
The issue i point to however is that itunes LOVEs to make their music ripped in crappy quality ie 128kbps. And this issue has been pretty apparent.
Take for example John Murphy's masterpiece 28 weeks later. Fox Atomic decides to release it in itunes 128 which was near insulting for his fans.
Anyways, just a consideration, if itunes is absolutely the only choice, please do it to at least 256 or higher in quality.
Personally, if this music is really that good. I would be willing to pay 3-4x the money to get a good quality release instead of settling for a 128 version.
iTunes has gotten rid of DRM protection on it's music, at least some of it. I know the new Corner Stone Cues album I bought was not protected (could convert it and burn to as many CD's as I want). Not only this but the quality was double what it used to be: 256kbps. I think this is all part of their new "iTunes Plus". Of course, it would be nice if anything that was released was released in 256kbps, but I'm not going to be picky.

We finally have been told that a company is considering commercial release, and wants to release it commercially. I don't care what method it's sold in. I'm sorry for you tarlar and kmb; I hope you can figure something out.

And Thomas from TSFH is the Thomas J. Bergersen. Composer of a lot of TSFH's releases (including Nemesis).

iTunes has gotten rid of DRM protection on it's music, at least some of it. I know the new Corner Stone Cues album I bought was not protected (could convert it and burn to as many CD's as I want). Not only this but the quality was double what it used to be: 256kbps. I think this is all part of their new "iTunes Plus". Of course, it would be nice if anything that was released was released in 256kbps, but I'm not going to be picky.

We finally have been told that a company is considering commercial release, and wants to release it commercially. I don't care what method it's sold in. I'm sorry for you tarlar and kmb; I hope you can figure something out.

And Thomas from TSFH is the Thomas J. Bergersen. Composer of a lot of TSFH's releases (including Nemesis).

Here is an issue then everyone here should consider. 128 versions of music encourages piracy.

Just think about it, take random piece of music that is bought from itunes, some 128 DRM. Some person (whom i know are plentiful here because an average person does not quite comprehend digital music), decides "hmm, if I just make it into 320 then my version will be better" ie transcoding it but the issue is that it isnt better, in fact; more noise gets introduced INTO the music piece.

But people will go after this 320 version instead of buying it.

So having a lower quality music is counterintuitive to curtailing piracy. In fact, it encourages it as the only (illusion) to obtaining a better quality will be through.......illegal means.

The higher the original quality of a piece of music, the less chance people are going to do their little digital manipulation to PRETEND to make it sound better and instead, just referring them to itunes, which i think is a higher probability if given the original release is in higher quality.

And I am sorry for those who do not understand this concept.

But I highly doubt this corporation wants to release a piece of music that potentially encourages transcoding of their music followed by illegal distribution.

I agree with cerberusHound. I can't understand the concept of selling 128kbps mp3. And especially trailer music, it's killing the music O_o.
Trailer music is recorded with great orchestra and choral for the most, and encoding it in 128 is an insult for the composer and for the fans...
It's just like making a great quality movie in HD 1080i, and putting it on a crappy VHS...
Nonsense.

I don't think that Thomas would be happy to see is music in 128.
320 would be better, but CD edition would be the best!

Thanks you so much Thomas for your music, and for your messages!

Before we complain about 128 kb/s maybe we should just wait and see when/if it really becomes available.

tjb has not said anything about 128 kb/s and I'm pretty sure someone who makes such great music and puts so much into it will not go for a 128 release. Just that the majority of iTunes mp3s seem to be 128 does not mean TSFH have to use this bitrate, too.

wow... so AMAZING news, THANK YOU THOMAS.
Best regards,
macliu @ DDL

i want to pay Remember September,thomas
but i cannot pay in china...so pity

thomas.leave me a message..

We finally have been told that a company is considering commercial release, and wants to release it commercially. I don't care what method it's sold in. I'm sorry for you tarlar and kmb; I hope you can figure something out.

And Thomas from TSFH is the Thomas J. Bergersen. Composer of a lot of TSFH's releases (including Nemesis).

I agree with that. I think an iTunes release is also much cheaper for them than a jewel case release because CD's & booklets must be printed, it need to be distributed (which is a lot of work with all the different regios), ...

I'd rather have 3 albums available on iTunes Plus than 1 album in jewel case; if an iTunes release is less cost- and work intensive for TSFH.

Well and seeing as many people say they want to pay 3 times the price of a normal CD, TSFH found an extra source of income from their devoted fans :p
That's what I call a win-win :)

I agree with that. I think an iTunes release is also much cheaper for them than a jewel case release because CD's & booklets must be printed, it need to be distributed (which is a lot of work with all the different regios), ...

I'd rather have 3 albums available on iTunes Plus than 1 album in jewel case; if an iTunes release is less cost- and work intensive for TSFH.

Well and seeing as many people say they want to pay 3 times the price of a normal CD, TSFH found an extra source of income from their devoted fans :p
That's what I call a win-win :)

This isnt about METHODOLOGY of distribution. There are plenty of digital distributors out there. For example one more is AMAZON, and they let you encode in v0 which is exactly like 320.

I also do not think it is the intention of the artists to make music into 128kbps to make fans mad; but I do believe there are certain issues when an artist uses iTunes. For one, I have come to learn that several artists are in court contests with iTunes because they were not getting any royalties.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe the only way to get the tune Unstoppable by ES.P is through itunes. I highly doubt the group recorded this tune in 128 for CBS and had in mind of releasing it to the public in this format but there are certain things an artist does give up for using their service.

What I am saying is that iTunes way of releasing music engenders and encourages piracy.

For most who do not know indepth about digital music, and that's 90% of the general population, if someone takes off the DRM and decides to transcode it into 320, even though that would be fake.

How many in the general populace will take a DRM protected 128 version for 9.99 USD over a seemingly illegal 320 version for FREE.

And I believe what these corporations want is to stem piracy, or have I lost perspective in the last 100 so odd pages.

:)

cerberusHound, I was just comparing digital distribution againt physcial distribution...

But you are right there are others like 'Amazon' as well who offer more options. And I agree with you points

BUT
I personally are not gonna critisize about those things. I'm just so happy they finally are gonna release their best albums. I don't wanna start complaining about other things now. They do an effort for us, I'll appreciate that, no matter what...

Well I'm not gonna criticize either, and I really appreciate the efforts, that's for sure!

but I don't like releases which are only digital, they are no good for people who collect official CDs, nice in a jewel case or digipack... so I just hope we will see releases like those too :)

edit: and btw: i believe more people are willing to pay for a real CD, instead of something digital.

Well I'm not gonna criticize either, and I really appreciate the efforts, that's for sure!

but I don't like releases which are only digital, they are no good for people who collect official CDs, nice in a jewel case or digipack... so I just hope we will see releases like those too :)

edit: and btw: i believe more people are willing to pay for a real CD, instead of something digital.

Ha, don't you have a printer and CD burner to make your own CD from the digital purchase :p
Some iTunes releases include the digital booklet too...

Ha, don't you have a printer and CD burner to make your own CD from the digital purchase :p
Some iTunes releases include the digital booklet too...

I hope you understand there is a huge difference between official created CDs and burned CDs by people themself.

what happens if 2sfh only publishes a few tracks on itunes...tracks you already have leeched month before? lol...then the babies start crying again :)

what happens if 2sfh only publishes a few tracks on itunes...tracks you already have leeched month before? lol...then the babies start crying again :)

Ain't gonna happen I think, because tjb said something about Nemesis II and that he doesn't want to announce albums here nobody can get. We'll have to wait and see if it's gonna be whole albums or only selected tracks, however.

My biggest concern now is about regional distribution: I hope they use a service that makes their music available worldwide, not just in America. I myself am from Europe and there are people on this board from all over the world, e.g. China. If the music would just be downloadable in America, all the others here have a problem (and must hope to get it from American friends, without being able to pay for it again). So I just hope TSFH will find a way for everyone.

Just heard the sample for TSFH Legends - Sounds amazing!!!

Damn, I missed all the commotion!
It truly is good news to see a commercial release of your music tjb!
I would just like to mention one thing:
Call me old fashioned but I always favor the good old cd over any digital media format.
I’m sure Itunes is a good choice and you’ll get lots of sales but some people, like me, will always go for the cd if there’s the choice to buy them. I like to have my music on a disk and listen to it not using my computer.
I like the little booklet that comes with it, I even like the cd case. A digital copy always feels much more elusive, it is after all just data. People can argue you can easily burn it yourself to an audio cd but that’s not really the same thing as buying a legitimate CD.
I’m hoping for an actual disk release of any of your previous works, it doesn’t even have to be recent ^^

I agree with Arumon

I agree with Arumon

So do I, although I normally use my computer to listen to music and keep my CDs once they have been FLACed in my living room shelves. But it's always great to have them, I like to have booklets and cases, too. Of course you can burn a CD from digital media, but it's not the same, mostly because self burnt CDs deteriote quite fast, after about 5 years (often even sooner) they don't work anymore. My first CD I bought was an Anthrax album from 1988 (good ol' metal times back then!) and amazingly it still works after 20 years!

that is because of the entire difference in burning.

with official CDs, some small pins are fixed permanently

when burned by someone, the laser changes a spot on the blank CD with light...

the last one does indeed do what you say, it deteriotes, the first one rather, does not.

good there are people who agree :$

Hey all. Anyone who got this "cd"? If so any chance any of you could send me a pm on how i could get it? ;)

Hey all. Anyone who got this "cd"? If so any chance any of you could send me a pm on how i could get it? ;)

Oh guys, a new one!!

Hey all. Anyone who got a ferrari? If so any chance any of you could send me a pm on how i could get a ferrari? ;)

Oh guys, a new one!!

Hey all. Anyone who got a ferrari? If so any chance any of you could send me a pm on how i could get a ferrari? ;)

What about a superman's cape? Can you send that info to me please! :-P

i have read part of this thread, damn i wa late for it.
but, may i inquire as to a way to still obtain the tracks that were posted and in the second post?

i only ask for this "epic chorus" type of tracks.

i beg your forgiveness if what im asking cant be done and it is illegal.

What about a superman's cape? Can you send that info to me please! :-P

Nah, that looks stupid! I want a full fledged AV, you know, one these flying sports cars from the SciFi movies. Rapidshare please!

we are signing with iTunes

This is like the biggest step in the Trailer Music business I've witnessed. Immediate's Epicon was cool, but did not include the original tracks we all wanted.
When Two Steps releases their albums, eg. Legend & Nemesis on iTunes, then they'll be the first 'leading' trailer music company to EVER legally offer their original trailer cues to the public... 2008 is gonna be a good year for Trailer music. I feel it! :-)

Hi everyone ! First post - yay ! You are all doing an amazing job around here and I'm really impressed by some people's knowledge. I thought I knew a lot of trailer's music. Obviously, I don't know squad :p Anyway, I am posting here because I need help to ID a track :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KKj9hJIofw
Can anyone name the track starting at 0'41, with percussions, and then the next with the choir ? It would be soooooo appreciated. <3

Hello and wellcome here :D

I don't know the track, but it might be from X-Ray Dog.

The Pop3 includes Kings Faith by Audiomach.