For Christ's sake people, we finally have a clean thread to start over on that isn't mislabeled or anything of the sort.

I'm assuming you came from the link I provided in the other thread. If you haven't come from there, then welcome to the Titanic Music/Recording Sessions Discussion Thread. This thread is for discussing the music of Titanic written by James Horner and all of its dirty secrets until the time comes (and even after that I suppose) when Williamtaylor1969 gets around to receiving approval to release the Recording Sessions for Titanic that he owns. He has stated that he will release these Recording Sessions when he can do said action without compromising his career (hence "receiving approval").

Good luck and lets not totally trash this thread with off topic crap about magical rainbows and ponies (unless it relates to Titanic of course). =)

Here we go everyone... Begin!

I missed Williamtaylor1969 Titanic recording sessions story...can you fill me in?

Not much to say right at this moment other than I'm really looking forward to seeing the film on the big screen again. If anyone knows how to make a 2D film work as an effective 3D presentation, it's James Cameron.

So in a nutshell, he works in the music business and has had some master copies of the Titanic Recording Sessions (like 9 DAT disks or something like that) from a long time ago. After Mr. Horner contacted him telling Mr. Taylor to destroy them, he just threw them in storage for a while and has now brought them out of hiding after realizing that they were indeed rare and that people wanted them. He is planning to, at a later point in time release them (he has quoted that he WILL release them, it's just a matter of time). Mr. Taylor wants to release them but at this point it's too much of a threat to his career and he doesn't want it thrown away just to release this score. He is currently working on getting them released, and with the whole fiasco about James Horner not getting paid by Sony for this new 4cd release of Titanic "music", he is hoping to use this to get the recording sessions out to the public (it's basically a "screw you" to Sony as he has put it).... he hates Sony. That's really all I can say and/or know about this subject.

In a nutshell....

So in a nutshell, he works in the music business and has had some master copies of the Titanic Recording Sessions (like 9 DAT disks or something like that) from a long time ago. After Mr. Horner contacted him telling Mr. Taylor to destroy them, he just threw them in storage for a while and has now brought them out of hiding after realizing that they were indeed rare and that people wanted them. He is planning to, at a later point in time release them (he has quoted that he WILL release them, it's just a matter of time). Mr. Taylor wants to release them but at this point it's too much of a threat to his career and he doesn't want it thrown away just to release this score. He is currently working on getting them released, and with the whole fiasco about James Horner not getting paid by Sony for this new 4cd release of Titanic "music", he is hoping to use this to get the recording sessions out to the public (it's basically a "screw you" to Sony as he has put it).... he hates Sony. That's really all I can say and/or know about this subject.

In a nutshell....

Thanks ever so much for the background...

No problem Melvin!

I love to know the full story behind this. What went wrong with the original soundtracks that they barely contain any music from the actual film. Why are Sony/Horner/Cameron or whoever determined that fans won't get the music from the film that they are more than willing to pay good money for?

My opinion, that is blended with some facts, is such: Sony seems to be determined to make as much money out of this movie and its soundtrack as possible while still retaining all rights to this music (like George Lucas and the Star Wars Special Editions). Not sure if this is entirely true but it would explain a lot.

If Sony were to release more of the score itself, the reuse fees (the same fees that have prevented a lot of scores from either getting expanded versions or even getting released at all) would have to be paid for that unreleased music, and Sony obviously doesn't want to do that.

Sony, Fox and Paramount all have good partnerships with La-La Land but they aren't farming this score out to anyone, and La-La Land apparently tried to get it. This is the best possible time to ever release a full version of the score itself and they aren't doing it. They're spending as little as they can. Compare that to how you see full-on special / collector's editions of these films themselves that include everything fans could hope for which the studios spend the money on, and it's just insulting, but in the end it's smart for Sony music to do it this way. Why spend the money when they don't need to, right?

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If Sony were to release more of the score itself, the reuse fees (the same fees that have prevented a lot of scores from either getting expanded versions or even getting released at all) would have to be paid for that unreleased music, and Sony obviously doesn't want to do that.

Sony, Fox and Paramount all have good partnerships with La-La Land but they aren't farming this score out to anyone, and La-La Land apparently tried to get it. This is the best possible time to ever release a full version of the score itself and they aren't doing it. They're spending as little as they can. Compare that to how you see full-on special / collector's editions of these films themselves that include everything fans could hope for which the studios spend the money on, and it's just insulting, but in the end it's smart for Sony music to do it this way. Why spend the money when they don't need to, right?

And they wonder why stuff gets leaked? If they were smart they would get it out there before the leak appears.

They always say "bootlegs make it harder to get an official release", but look at the sheer number of scores that were bootlegged for years (Horner's 'Honey, I Shrunk The Kids', 'Testament', 'Wolfen', 'Uncommon Valor' to name a few, and my favorite example being David Arnold's 'Independence Day') and official releases came and people snapped them up because they were the real deal.

Excellent! Lets get the heck out of my old misleading, erroneously named, awful, fan edited piece of crap thread :D

You know...you could have just had that thread renamed at any point of the 12 or so months that was up. (I see now that it was just recently shut down anyway.) Besides, wouldn't a more appropriate location for this discussion thread be here: Non Video Game / Animu Music Forum (http://forums.ffshrine.org/non-video-game-animu-music-forum/)? I mean, that's where they moved DAKoftheOTA's announcement thread on that fake blog (you know the one).

You know...you could have just had that thread renamed at any point of the 12 or so months that was up. (I see now that it was just recently shut down anyway.) Besides, wouldn't a more appropriate location for this discussion thread be here: Non Video Game / Animu Music Forum (http://forums.ffshrine.org/non-video-game-animu-music-forum/)? I mean, that's where they moved DAKoftheOTA's announcement thread on that fake blog (you know the one).

I guess you're spaking of that wondrous blog where one could find all those marvellous expanded complete recording sessions special editions thingies by hands zimmer ?

Too bad the blog is closed :sad:

I joke, I joke !! :p

So has William provided any information lately as to the status of any possibility of this leaking? I know some of us had spoken to him a year or so back, and he said he was working on it, but that was a while ago, so I'm just wondering if there have been any new developments. (Fingers crossed.) :)

If there had been any developments, surely you would have heard about them...

And what about releasing it with a code , I mean give it not named " Titanic Recording sessions " but otherwise.

So has William provided any information lately as to the status of any possibility of this leaking? I know some of us had spoken to him a year or so back, and he said he was working on it, but that was a while ago, so I'm just wondering if there have been any new developments. (Fingers crossed.) :)

William has PMd me stating that he will relay his story on the thread when he has the time to do so.

You know...you could have just had that thread renamed at any point of the 12 or so months that was up. (I see now that it was just recently shut down anyway.)

If by recently you mean today, then it proves your point even more!

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Well I think we've been patient and are being patient, it has been 15 years after all. I'll wait another 15, 20, 30 if nessessary but I think we all agree that the sooner this comes out the better. Either through official channels (preferable) or otherwise.

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Well when a forum is a hive of illegal activity like this one, that kind of behaviour is to be expected, not that I condone it at all. I'd always rather buy my music but if it's not officially available but can be downloaded, I'm more than happy to do it.

The score will surface eventually, they usually do. Plus I just don't like being negative.

I was just asking a genuine legitimate question. I figured he might have communicated with someone about it via PM (as in, good news - getting close to leaking it; or, sorry no way in hell this is getting out). After all, that's what I thought this discussion thread was for, discussing the score for Titanic, and any possibilities of obtaining more of it. Subtlety, yes, I agree with that. But there's nothing wrong with discussion either.

As for threatening, blackmail, etc., well of course that's just horrible and wrong, and I certainly hope he doesn't have to experience that again, by anyone.

I missed Williamtaylor1969 Titanic recording sessions story...can you fill me in?

The story is William Taylor does not have the recording sessions. Everything he has shared on this forum he has stolen from other sites and various private blogs. He has since gone "underground" because he has been banned from the private blogs and no longer has anything to share.

The notion that he was phoned by Horner and asked not to release his copy of the sessions is nonsense. I know William Taylor and I can assure you the closest he comes to Hollywood is when he goes to the movies.

As far as an expanded Titanic, continue to be patient. It will happen. This was one of the most successful soundtrack albums in history and Sony knows it. It will be done, likely when the Blu Ray comes out. This seems to be the trend lately. When a movie is released on Blu, an expanded soundtrack may be done, ala Ben Hur and the forthcoming Hook.

Good luck. Hope you get what you want.

People were wondering where the expanded score to Lion King was (or even Transformers 3) when its blu-ray came out. I don't know that you can call that a trend. Also, you speak of William as though you know he'll never see your words. You aren't concerned over the consequences of your talking down to him?

As far as an expanded Titanic, continue to be patient. It will happen. This was one of the most successful soundtrack albums in history and Sony knows it. It will be done, likely when the Blu Ray comes out. This seems to be the trend lately. When a movie is released on Blu, an expanded soundtrack may be done, ala Ben Hur and the forthcoming Hook.


There's no way Sony is going to prep their new 4-CD set of both original albums plus two non-score discs to go with it now, at the absolute best possible time (a Blu-ray release is nowhere near as important as this 3D theatrical release in April) only release a true expanded score later on, or farm it out to La-La Land when clearly they don't want to spend the money on additional score.

There is simply no reason for them to release it later when now is the time and choosing not to release additional score on that upcoming 4-CD set is proof enough of that.

As for the rest, I'm a believe it when I see it type anyway. I have no reason to believe or not to believe anything anyone says about leaking music. Until then it's just back-and-forth insults with no proof on either side.

And now, back onto my ignore list this Horner hater goes...

As for the rest, I'm a believe it when I see it type anyway. I have no reason to believe or not to believe anything anyone says about leaking music. Until then it's just back-and-forth insults with no proof on either side.

Agreed. I'm cynical by nature, so I'll believe it when I see it ...

... but I also hope these recording sessions *do* exist, so I didn't waste time compiling lists. :)

Why the hell are so many of gwent's 11 comments deleted? The ones that aren't deleted are all about him bashing William...

Why the hell are so many of gwent's 11 comments deleted? The ones that aren't deleted are all about him bashing William...

Consider it evidence as to who that person is on this board. Also look at what William posted - quotes from the same user - and you'll see there's an agenda here, one that seems pointless considering how much he seems to hate Horner and his music anyway.

Oh my....

wrong thread. :laugh:

cuckoo fail.

I am a Horner hater.

I think this is what gwent meant to say.

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But - but - I WAAAAAAANNNNNNNT it!!!! *quivering . . . gotta have it gotta have it gotta have it

(Nothin' but love, Amanda) :)

They are the more inflametery remarks. Admin has warned against this before, and now this thread is becoming exactly what I figured it would. We all know William does not really tend to "ignore" comments like this, and the gwent guy loves to stir the pot. I think he was banned for a while, but they don't tent to like to permanently ban here.




Okay, all is understood. I am deeply sorry for stepping into this thread in the first place; I don't belong here. Perchance, the appropriate people may once come along again and continue their discussion on the matters of which I am not a part.

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The recording sessions will surface when they'll raise the Titanic. We only hope that's not the Captain of Costa Concordia to do that job.

The recording sessions will surface when they'll raise the Titanic. We only hope that's not the Captain of Costa Concordia to do that job.



We should call Dirk Pitt. He did it once, he should be able to pull it again.

Well I ve just got a reply from La La Land records to my question about the possibility of an expended score of titanic.
The answer is very simple.
" No can do , already asked."

I asked about a year or two ago, same response. Sony has an iron grip on that score. :( At least LLL is honest about it...

damn you Sony go to hell.

This 4 cd special edition that they are coming out with is a complete joke.

Heya everyone! I thought I'd link these on this thread since I had put them on the old thread that is now dead. These are various (like 3) musical cues from Titanic that I pulled from the 5.1 audio files of an HD transfer of the film Free File Sharing Made Simple - MediaFire (http://www.mediafire.com/?n9mw3ho5l2vns). And these are miscellaneous sound effects that I also pulled from the 5.1 audio files Free File Sharing Made Simple - MediaFire (http://www.mediafire.com/?yv8tx7i4npx52), these sounds include ambiance from the ship both while sailing and while the ship is sinking. It also has lots of metal and wood groaning sound effects (due to the pressure of the water bending the metal and wood as the ship went down). Since all of you guys are sound enthusiasts and Titanic enthusiasts I though I would share these with you all!

-JCH152

Following suit with JCH152, here's a post in the old thread I did that might prove useful for those interested in the Titanic score.

The ASCAP site has many cues registered under Horner's name for Titanic, and it's interesting to look through.

Some official cue titles, as taken from the ASCAP website, are as follows:

ABSOLUTION
ROSE FREES JACK
ROWING AWAY
TWO AND A HALF MILES DOWN
TITANIC SUITE
TITANIC/F
TITANIC CUES(HORNER JAMES)
TITANIC SUITE // TITANIC
AL BATHRA
LEAVING PORT // TITANIC
OCEAN OF MEMORIES AN // TITAN
ROSE'S SUICIDE
TRAPPED ON D-DECK
ROSE DU FILM TITANIC
SINKING DU FILM TITANIC
DEATH OF TITANIC DU FILM
AL BATHRA / MAIN TITLE // COUR
BUTTERFLY COMB
ROSE LOOKS FOR JACK 2
TWO AND HALF MILES DOWN
LOVEMAKING PT. I
LOVEMAKING PT. II

SUITE FROM THE TITANIC
TITANIC
DEEP AND TIMELESS SEA
BKG TITANIC
BUILDING PANIC
EPILOGUE / THE DEEP AND TIMELE
ROSE DU FILM TITANIC
GIFT OF A NECKLACE
LEAVING SOUTHAMPTON
KING OF THE WORLD

I've also compiled a cue sheet, which includes my own (fake!) titles but with possibilities as to what they could be.

Filmtracks: Titanic (Complete?) Cue List (http://www.filmtracks.com/scoreboard/index.cgi?read=39140)

-BT7

This is very frustrating , having the cue titles but not the music.

This is very frustrating , having the cue titles but not the music.

Yeah, it is. :(

Is there any hope that the complete 1 hour and 30 minutes of music from the film will ever be officially released?

Not by Sony and they hold all the cards it seems.

So people... since the news is already out on the release of a 4-disc 100 year anniversary soundtrack to coincide with Titanic 3D, it seems that what we have feared for the past X or XX years has been verified. At lease I know now there's no hope of getting anything beyond the two discs of you-know-what with one of the most anticipated film re-releases! I sort of jumped a bit when I saw the news but I prayed and prayed to no avail..

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I'd like to take a moment on everyone's behalf and just say that "this is horses--t". I'm just going to watch it in theatres in April but probably will not spend money on the new soundtrack. We'll see though.

FSM has a thread about the new 'collector's edition' album, and includes quotes (in French, and somewhat poorly translated to English) from Didier C. Deutsch, one of the lead film music album producers at Sony who works with labels like La-La Land to get limited edition scores released.

He said Sony is indeed holding on to Titanic with an iron grip, believing it's too expensive to release an expanded score (which explains this collector's release, it's the cheapest way to cash in since all they have to do is draw up new covers and use existing masters, which don't cost much of anything in comparison) and don't want to cater to film music crowds. They want to cater to mass-market audiences.

This is the Google translated quote:




This is not entirely true as Sony, for example, we all elements for Titanic. But Titanic is not going out in full. I proposed to do but Sony did not want, believing that it would be too expensive, and they preferred to fifteen years of the film repeat CD with 4 already published several albums. This is not an evil, but it targets a wide audience and not to true fans of film music. I want to say that for me, the music of people like Tiomkin, Korngold, Rozsa, Steiner, Waxman, Williams and Bernstein are modern expressions of a type that belongs to the classical genre. I put them on a par with Mahler or Camille Saint-Saens. We do not get enough. In general, for the leaders of the major labels, it is a product: if it sells, "very good", if it does not sell, "we do not care in the air." And that I deplore. In the case of Titanic, in my opinion, they have no confidence in the possibility of producing a disc that is sold beyond the standards. Gold standards, at present, have fallen considerably due to i-Tunes and because it is easy to download music illegally on the Internet. Where fifteen years ago, we had sold 17 million copies of Titanic, one wonders today whether they will sell three or four thousand copies! There is a certain fall in sales in certain musical genres, including film music. This is why small labels like La-La Land can afford to come to ask, cheaply, to repeat some of the soundtracks. They speak directly to a specific market, so they know they will sell what they create. A label like Sony will start selling the title without much promotion and not really address the public who is interested. In fact, retail services dealers will not be interested, do not give this product the attention it should, because they may prefer to talk about the new album that Beyonc� will sell 300,000 copies. These are economic issues that I understand very well, but I regret it creates a huge void in music production in general. We no longer created in the range 50-60 years to support all types of music. To finish with Titanic, we must also say that there are some titles that Sony wants to control. It may be necessary to wait for the twentieth anniversary of the film! Titanic Legacy wanted out and I proposed to recreate the full soundtrack, as understood in the film. There was enough for a double CD. But meanwhile, the traditional division of Columbia who control these records has decided to release it, with this 4 CD box set that includes only existing albums. You have to be flexible and tolerant ... "

Unless someone leaks this, you will NEVER hear Titanic in full. That's the simple fact of it. That's the reality.

Sounds like this is one of those scores that MAYBE 20 or 30 or 40 years from now (if I'm still around, ha ha) we'll see a label like Intrada or LLL (hopefully they'll still be around too, ha ha) say "At long last! Beautifully restored from masters we found in some vault somewhere!" Sigh.... one can hope it won't take that long.

How annoying!!! I just cannot comprehend Sony's stance on this, seeing as the original CD still remains the biggest selling film soundtrack of all time. You'd think a bit of expenditure would be a no brainer, releasing an expanded score for a movie so internationally popular.

And now they're gonna sit on it for who knows how long, rather than pass it on to La-La Land etc????? It's just a damn crying shame.

And somehow that leak we hoped for seems sooooo unlikely now.....

I can understand the economic concerns behind all this... seriously who buys things when they can get it for free? Unless they're really into this stuff it is generally accepted that things are always better when free! I'm not willing to spend anymore than I have to if it's just conventional pop music, and I would think for people who aren't into film music it's the same for them when it comes to this particular genre. So much for all the anticipation!

IF the 3D version of the film proves to be a HUGE box office successs, however, I wonder if that changes anything?

I've just read the tracklist of the upcoming 4 CD set. This set is a shame. Because I bought the original album and Back to Titanic, I can cancel my pre-order.

On second thought I might buy it just for the sake of it. The other white star line songbook stuff still sounds good to me. If not for anything else I'll get it just for the covers alone... still quite a pity for the contents! And I'm hoping if they make enough sales with this then they'll reconsider the... ah... whatever they can afford with their generous income... hmmmm

I've just read the tracklist of the upcoming 4 CD set. This set is a shame. Because I bought the original album and Back to Titanic, I can cancel my pre-order.

Sounds like 2 extra discs full of period source songs. Definite letdown.

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**can't believe there is really anything left to say**

The only reason I brought this up was because there was someone on the inside who finally went into detail about why the score won't come out as an expanded version, just in poorly translated French-to-English. It wasn't just the usual "La-La asked Sony, they said no".

As soon as I heard about the 3D version, I thought "Cool, we can hope an Anniversary Version", maybe a complete, or, at least, an expanded. When I saw, on Amazon.com that it happened, I was so happy! But... like you, I read the tracklist, and I'm so angry. This 3D Version was our hope, for a longtime, to get a complete Score, and we know now it won't happen. It's a scandal! 2 CD we already bought for years, an additional CD of I Salonisti (ok, I like it, but, it's not the most important) and... "popular music from the Titanic Area". WTF? Waste a CD for... musics that are not even in the film! I'm getting mad, seriously! I join my despair to yours! Let juste hope that a "prophet" will offer us a great fan-made complete score ; if I had the material and the skill, I'd do it myself.

We all fell for it... maybe.

I found this album art online, and it seems like this may actually be album art. If it is, it's the ultimate insult, at least to those of us who know what the ship really looked like. :-\

There are two versions of the cover art, I believe. One is the above, and the other is basically the 3D movie poster.

Oh Jesus Christ....

I found this album art online, and it seems like this may actually be album art. If it is, it's the ultimate insult, at least to those of us who know what the ship really looked like. :-\

I think this is the image being used to advertise the re-release of the movie as well (in Europe certainly). I knew there was something odd about it! No masts etc, cargo crane, and most importantly NO CROWS NEST! (No wonder they didn't see the 'berg). Crap!

I dont think that sony will ever release the score as we heard in the movie! And if they will.. Probably We would'nt have the all recordings but just what they want release to us, the only way to do this, its a massive email attacks target to who have this recordings XD, and i know that skywalkersound have all this recordings, i have some friends.. But i saw that a friend needs another friend and more... I'm trying to do the possible as i can do, guys we just need to get a friend inside the offices XD, or ask them to share it to us, of course its impossible but, i think this is the only way to do that, even james horner in person could'nt give us his musics, i think because legal and contractual reasons, so the only way is to contact everyone worked in it as we can or we need a friend in twentieth century fox or in skysound, lol. I'm following this thread then i keep you informed for any news about it, bye guys!

I effin hate Sony for this, let's just make a quick buck by re issuing two woefully disappointing soundtracks that are still readily available, a cd of music that has nothing to do with the film, package it with inaccurate art work and call it a collectors edition.

True fans of the score and film do want a collectors edition, this isn't it. This just proves that Sony really are as brainless and greedy as I suspected.

I've yet to see anyone on the online soundtrack world say that this looks like a great set and that they will be buying it. 100% of comments have been more like "what the hell is this crap" and "I won't be buying it, I've cancelled my pre order"

If all of us can see it then Sony can't have a brain cell to share between them.

Anyone listened to the 20min suite from the 3D Premiere in London?
James Horner conducts a Live Performance at the World Premiere of TITANIC 3D - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a82cfAHGztU)
It's only 8 minutes long ... It looks like the full version would be lost to those who weren't fortunate enough to be at the Premiere, unless someone else uploads the entire video.

It sounds like a rehash of Titanic Suite, which is to be expected ... nothing new but would love to hear it in its entirety.

Hi guys! i made this track that i named ''The Ship Of Dreams'' i tried to made it much possible similar to the movie version! i recorded the piano cue with my piano! and i made the rest with logic pro and soundtrack pro! i know that there's some parts different but i hope you like it! :) bye

TITANIC Score: The Ship Of Dreams (Unreleased Track) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqRHtkXgqlk)

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Hi guys! i made this track that i named ''The Ship Of Dreams'' i tried to made it much possible similar to the movie version! i recorded the piano cue with my piano! and i made the rest with logic pro and soundtrack pro! i know that there's some parts different but i hope you like it! :) bye

TITANIC Score: The Ship Of Dreams (Unreleased Track) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqRHtkXgqlk)

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Hi guys! i made this track that i named ''The Ship Of Dreams'' i tried to made it much possible similar to the movie version! i recorded the piano cue with my piano! and i made the rest with logic pro and soundtrack pro! i know that there's some parts different but i hope you like it! :) bye

TITANIC Score: The Ship Of Dreams (Unreleased Track) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqRHtkXgqlk)

Hey Jeanbaker!
I just listened to your work. When I saw your post and the title of the track, I said to myself "Oh, another vain try" (I often was disappointed) but, of course, I took a look (or, a ear) and... waaw! I don't know what other members will think of your work (I'm certainly not the greatest specialist and I don't see details in music like I see them in words ; my only "qualification" is that I listen only and a looot a Scores, and that I know the movie by heart and take care a lot of the soundtrack as we hear it in the movie), so, from my modest point of view, it's GREAT WORK! Congratulations for this very, very hero�c and nice try! It's impressive the way you managed to make very soft transitions which are extremly similar to the ones we hear in the movie. I'm so grateful to you! I listened to you track 5 times, and it gave me a glimpse of the emotion I could feel if, at last, we owned the Complete Score the fans deserve!

If only I had any abilities with mixing musics, I'd try myself and would try to give to my fellows fans a fan-made complete that could deserve its name, but that's unfortunately not the case (even with the excellent tutorial of TheDimensionner, all this is quite to technical for me!). So, I just can hope that someone, like you, will do it and manage one day to rebuild this Score which is a real wreck! All my encouragements to you! Congratulations again and thanks!

Nice work on Ship of Dreams! Nice editing! Any chance of a link to the actual audio cue besides youtube? PM maybe? Love it. Much better than my shitty edit. :)

I wonder why the tune itself was changed so dramatically for the soundtrack release?

I wonder why the tune itself was changed so dramatically for the soundtrack release?

Two entirely separate pieces of music. One is a cue for the film, one is a 'concert' or 'album' version. 'Southampton' is the most basic representation of the two Titanic themes, in a straight-forward song format. The cue in the film is a bigger, more elaborate piece of score.

The Mask of Zorro had a similar cue, titled 'Zorro's Theme'. It was a concert version of the theme, reduced to its basic format which is why it didn't have any of the Spanish / Flamenco instrumentation.

In the complete score for Avatar, there were several cues that were included tagged "CD mix" to identify them as versions recorded for an album.

This is the Sony classical Facebook page Sony Masterworks | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/SonyMasterworks)

Feel free to express your disappointment at this pathetic excuse for a collectors edition soundtrack. The more posts the better. If anything at least they will know that we aren't happy.

Hey Jeanbaker!
I just listened to your work. When I saw your post and the title of the track, I said to myself "Oh, another vain try" (I often was disappointed) but, of course, I took a look (or, a ear) and... waaw! I don't know what other members will think of your work (I'm certainly not the greatest specialist and I don't see details in music like I see them in words ; my only "qualification" is that I listen only and a looot a Scores, and that I know the movie by heart and take care a lot of the soundtrack as we hear it in the movie), so, from my modest point of view, it's GREAT WORK! Congratulations for this very, very hero�c and nice try! It's impressive the way you managed to make very soft transitions which are extremly similar to the ones we hear in the movie. I'm so grateful to you! I listened to you track 5 times, and it gave me a glimpse of the emotion I could feel if, at last, we owned the Complete Score the fans deserve!

If only I had any abilities with mixing musics, I'd try myself and would try to give to my fellows fans a fan-made complete that could deserve its name, but that's unfortunately not the case (even with the excellent tutorial of TheDimensionner, all this is quite to technical for me!). So, I just can hope that someone, like you, will do it and manage one day to rebuild this Score which is a real wreck! All my encouragements to you! Congratulations again and thanks!

Thank you very very much! i'm very happy to see that you like my work! :) i was working in it from a week to made it must similar to the score! i will do some changing to render it better than now, in time i will post you the other my work about ''i'm the king of the world'' and ''the heart of the ocean'' (the ending theme) the problem for mixing tracks is that the score that we hear in the movie result with more pitch and tune, this is because most movies will speeded of 4% for the fps adaption from 24 fps (cinema) and 25fps blockbuster version Pal/Ntsc, and the audio of the movie are bad!! and not clean! but we will solve this problem with the blu ray version that run in region free in original frame rate! :) so for this the remixing is too difficult! but no one can stop me :) i continue with my works hoping you like them! thank you very very much again for your appreciation! :)

hey guys its me! i've uploaded the other three music i made! i hope you like them! :)

The Heart Of The Ocean:
TITANIC Score: The Heart of The Ocean (Ending Theme Unreleased) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrPhRM1zu08)

I'm The King of The World:
TITANIC Score: I'm The King of The World (Unreleased) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WjZJePXmY4)

The Titanic Sinking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPxpPGdLa9E

Ciao! :) i'm italian so I'm sorry if sometimes i don't write good! XD

To jeanbaker
You're welcome! And... thanks again for these brand new tracks! Waw! The ending theme is one of the most coveted unrealeased track of "Titanic", and here it is! I'm not gonna express how glad and admiring I am with your word, I would repeat me! Just read again what I wrote before! That's excellent work! It's so great to hear this! What you explained about the "fps" is very interesting and I did not know at all about this. That's very technical and it proves you master your stuff! I trust you when you say you did your best!
"Southampton 1912" and the "Ending" are certainly the most desired and altered tracks, so, this is already a miracle to approach so much what they look like in the movie. Thank you so much for this! But, of course, this is quite the same problem in the whole score. I think about two tracks :

- The music we hear when Jack and Fabrizio run on the docks. It sounds like irish music. I can't find this music. Contrary to what many people pretend, it's not "Jack Dawuson's Luck" that we can find in the "Back to Titanic" Album, it's something else. In this site (Filmtracks: Titanic (Complete?) Cue List (http://www.filmtracks.com/scoreboard/index.cgi?read=39140)), they say it's one the tracks previously composed by Horner for the film "Heaven help us"/"The Catholic Boys", but I never could find this track anywhere, the score is too rare.
- The music we hear when the ship leaves the port. There are some elements, of course, of "Leaving Port", but that's not all. We miss the most important to me, the chorus we hear when Jack and Brizio say goodbye to the crowd.

And of course, there is all the sinking part which is a real mess. Fortunately, I think that this is "just" a matter of montage and mixing because, as far as I can hear in the movie, we already possess all the elements in the realeased CDs, it's now "just" about put the puzzle piece in the right order. What a mess ><

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Dear fellows, I found an interview of Dider C. Deutsch, a guy who works for Sony and who is a specialist of scores, and particularly the edition of complete score ; he says he is finishing, at present, a new complete score of "Hook" by John Williams with the label "La La Land Records"!
The intervew is in french. As I'm french, I could read it and it's very interesting. He explains his work with the scores, with "La La Land", his vision of film music nowadays... and he speaks about "Titanic"! He explains why "Titanic" complete score will not be released ><. I tried to translate what he says in english ; I'm not sure my translation worth better that an automatic Google one, but, I tried...

[Here is the link for the complete interview, in case your can read french : http://www.underscores.fr/index.php/2012/03/interview-didier-c-deutsch/]

"For example, we have all the elements for � Titanic �. But “Titanic” will not be released complete. I proposed to do it, but Sony did not want, thinking that it would be too expensive, and they preferred release 4CD from previous albums for the 15th anniversary of the film. It’s not bad, but it’s addressed to a large audience and not to the true fans of films scores. […] In general, for leaders of the big labels it’s just a product : if we sell it, “very good”, if we don’t sell it, “back off!”. And this, I deplore. In the case of “Titanic”, to me, they don’t trust the possibility to product a disc that will sell beyond expectations. And, expectations, nowadays, have considerably lowered because of i-Tunes and because it’s easy to download illegally music on the Internet. 15 years ago, we sold 17 millions of “Titanic” OST, we wonder today if we will sell 3000 or 4000! There is a real fall of the sells in some kind of musics, included the film music. That’s why little labels like “La La Land” can afford to come and ask, for low cost, to reedit some scores. They directly address to a very specific audience so they know they will sell what they create. A label like Sony is going to sell a CD without real promotion and without addressing to the public which is really interested. So, sellers will not be interested, will not give to the product the attention he deserves, for they prefer maybe promote the new disc of Beyonc� which will be sold at 300 000 unities. This are economic issues that I perfectly understand, but I regret that we create a big gap in the musical production in general. […] To finish with “Titanic”, I have to say that there is as well some tracks that Sony want to control. Maybe we’ll have to wait the 20th anniversary of the film! “Legacy” label wanted to release “Titanic” and I had proposed to recreate the complete score, as we hear it in the movie. There was enough stuffs for 2 CD. Mais, meanwhile, the classic division of Columbia which controls these recordings decided to release it, with this 4CD box which only compiles previously released albums. We have to be flexible and tolerant."

To hear "Butterfly Comb" in full mastered quality just once....

Thank you OSTtracker! i'm so glad you like them! for the sinking! i added in the post the full sinking track as heard in the movie like my other work! i don't know if you have listened! for the irish song you mean with jack and fabrizio! i understand what music you mean! the title of this music is Rakish paddy, and its mixed with other irish medley, in any case i made a remix of that music too! to hear it like we heard in the movie, here's the link, hope you like it:
Titanic Music: The Lucky Ticket - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RutaG9Gncak)

Ok, jeanbaker, I got it, in fact, you're Father Christmas, right? We ask you something and you give it? I took a look on your other videos yesterday and I saw nothing like the sinking or else, and, then, here it is!

I think about this quote by the Argentian in Moulin Rouge : "The boy has talent!... Nothing funny. I love talent!". How do you do this? The transitions are so softs and some little pieces of music are not on CD's, that's just crazy but, so beautiful to hear! At last, that beloved missing tracks found their way till our ears thanks to you! Thank you so much for this work! The most amazing is that we can have the misleading impression that this is easy, but in fact it must be such a drag to put the pieces in the good order!

Well, two new tracks, two legendary tracks which are at last ours! The famous "Lucky ticket" (I never noticed there was such a strong drum in the background of the music!) and, of course, "The Sinking".

Well, my dear jeanbaker, if you continue like this, if you find the will and the means to do the same work on all the tracks, I think that you could be the very first (competent) guy to create a complete score of Titanic without a single SFX!... "which makes you... my new best friend!", as Broke Lovett would say! No, seriously ; it would go against the great "sharing" philosophia of the Internet, but some people would pay expensive price to get these precious tracks you offer us! Only "4" views on YouTube, I just want to yell "Hey, people, don't you realise there is at last these bloody tracks we were looking for!".

Soon, I think I will have used all the different ways to thank you! "Go on", dude! That's great work!

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Yes, course, I'm interested! Thanks Amanda!

The butterfly cue is really wanted too , I ripped once but it sounds weird with noises...

A complete score release or leak would give the music its proper due, since it's so heavily edited in the film.

I kind of hate this thread as much as the last one, since it's all for nothing but a bad reminder that this is not happening.

JHFan, I could understand your point of view, till jeanbaker arrived with his work! Of course, we don't have the complete score yet, but, thanks to him, we have some of the most important missing tracks in very good quality, as we hear them in the film and not a single SFX! so, I don't thinks its "all for nothing" or "fubar" like the soldiers would say in Saving Private Ryan. To have "Southampton 1912", "The ending scene" and "The Sinking" or "The Lucky ticket", it's already a miracle! Let's hope that, one day, we'll have an official complete score but, for now, if we had this kind of very good work to wait, it would be so great!

By the way, what is the "Butterfly cue"? You mean this piano music we hear when Rose remembers or finds her comb? Do you mean this track :
Titanic Original Score (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egArwAR7ucM&feature=BFa&list=PL662ED61EB6F6B282&lf=plcp)

The quality of the sound is not very good, but... better than nothing...

Yes, the 'Butterfly comb' is indeed that scene where old Rose says "this was mine. How extraordinary! And it looks the same as the last time I saw it...the reflection has changed a bit". The music (piano solo) is repeated when young Rose takes the comb out of her hair to prepare for Jack's sketch.


I went to a 10:30PM showing of the film in 3D last night so I'm thinking a lot about both the film and score, so knowing about all of this lack-of-music stuff we've been teased with endlessly just frustrates me more than ever.

On the plus side, I wholeheartedly recommend seeing the film in 3D. It was absolutely spectacular in every sense. Like watching it for the first time, even though I've lost count how many times I've seen it. It was perfection from beginning to end.

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I will point out that NO download links are allowed in the General discussion threads....you can only post links in the dl section if the site. This thread is ONLY for talking about the score now, not for linking any tracks and such. Which is why it is so far beyond pointless as a thread

Meeeh...it's not like they're sharing a full album. I guess a few tracks remade by someone are OK. just take CodyAP09 who posted his conceptual score in another thread...Technically he shouldn't have. but as no mod seems to see a problem there, ergo there's not really a problem :D

besides, they are youtube Links...right?

hey guys! :) good morning to everyone and thank you for keep this thread live, today i finished the editing of the departure track! this one was the most difficult to edit than the others! and i think not everyone would like it! but i tried to do my best! thank you very much guys, ciao :)

TITANIC Score: Departure (Unreleased) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTQa8mfGtgY)

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I am merely pointing out the technicality. I know on my film hunt discussion thread, no links are allowed. Period. But, then, there is STS....so, meh. Just pointing it out once, so now I swoopeth along. never to be seen in this thread again. (only because I really don't see there is much left to discuss)

No need to keep popping in here to make it a downer all the time. Let those of us who want to discuss the music do so in peace.

Hey, jeanbaker!
I listened to your track. I see what you mean when you say this one is very hard! Just hearing it in the movie, we feel that the mix is quite complex, so it must have been a real challenge for you, but, believe me, your previous works convinced me that you do your best! And, as you are the only one to have the abilities and the courage to give a try to this, we're not in position to blame you for anything if it's not perfect! But, of course, if this can help to improve your work, I can give you my opinion (nothing to say about your previous works, personnaly, I think it's perfect and it's as if I listened to the movie (without the SFX!)).

So, for "The departure", the real challenge is in the chorus we hear when the crowd says goodbye.
- 0s-12s : This is the original introduction of the track "Leaving port". I was surprised to find it in your track because I thought we did not hear it at all in the movie ; I checked and, indeed, behind a lot of SFX and noise, we hear something like this, but I think it's shorter in the movie than on the album.
- 12s-35s : One of your miracles ; you exactly obtain the same music than in the film an that we can't found on the albums! So, waw! Great work!
- 35s-45s : Here is the big challenge, the "Final problem", like Moriarty would say. I see what you tried to do ; your transition is very soft and so good, but the sound is not exactly the good one, I think. You used the chorus from "Southampton", but as you must have noticed, this chorus is quite different. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems more "feminine" and "high-pitched" to me in the movie. This declinaison is not on the albums, so, it must be difficult or maybe impossible to get it. I don't know. But that's a very nice try!
- 46s - The end : The end of the track seems perfect, like in the movie!

Thanks for your work and congratulations for your motivation! Seriously, I think this topic is not useless at all! Hell! We just got some very "collector" tracks the way we hear them in the movie thanks to jeanbaker! That's not nothing!

Hey, jeanbaker!
I listened to your track. I see what you mean when you say this one is very hard! Just hearing it in the movie, we feel that the mix is quite complex, so it must have been a real challenge for you, but, believe me, your previous works convinced me that you do your best! And, as you are the only one to have the abilities and the courage to give a try to this, we're not in position to blame you for anything if it's not perfect! But, of course, if this can help to improve your work, I can give you my opinion (nothing to say about your previous works, personnaly, I think it's perfect and it's as if I listened to the movie (without the SFX!)).

So, for "The departure", the real challenge is in the chorus we hear when the crowd says goodbye.
- 0s-12s : This is the original introduction of the track "Leaving port". I was surprised to find it in your track because I thought we did not hear it at all in the movie ; I checked and, indeed, behind a lot of SFX and noise, we hear something like this, but I think it's shorter in the movie than on the album.
- 12s-35s : One of your miracles ; you exactly obtain the same music than in the film an that we can't found on the albums! So, waw! Great work!
- 35s-45s : Here is the big challenge, the "Final problem", like Moriarty would say. I see what you tried to do ; your transition is very soft and so good, but the sound is not exactly the good one, I think. You used the chorus from "Southampton", but as you must have noticed, this chorus is quite different. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems more "feminine" and "high-pitched" to me in the movie. This declinaison is not on the albums, so, it must be difficult or maybe impossible to get it. I don't know. But that's a very nice try!
- 46s - The end : The end of the track seems perfect, like in the movie!

Thanks for your work and congratulations for your motivation! Seriously, I think this topic is not useless at all! Hell! We just got some very "collector" tracks the way we hear them in the movie thanks to jeanbaker! That's not nothing!


Thank you so much for all you say! Yeah this track is very hard to do! I wrong the chorus at the end, cus i was distracted by mixing other parts Lol i got it when i finished it! Anyway i will get back to this track again later! The chorus i think is a speeded remixed version of the chorus of leaving port! But i'm not sure right now! Or maybe the chorus of a part of take her to sea mr murdoch! But anyway we should have it somewhere in the album, we only just find it, tomorrow i will check about this, thank you man! We see at the next! Oow i dont know if it will be useful for something or nothing, but next week i meet the director of sony television (italy division) ( for a tv show i'm making) and i will ask him about this score, and if there's any way to get it in private, and then i will share with you, ahahahah! But its only a think for now.

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No, we got more fan edits, which are fine, but that is nowhere near the same as "collector" tracks. And, again, they should not BE shared outside of the d section of the site, and not here, in General discussion. Ask all you want, there is NO way this guy is gonna just hand the score over to you. I would bet he does not have it himself. There is NO WAY this score will ever, ever, ever see the light of day beyond fan edits and rips. Never, ever ever.

Great way to keep the team's morale up. It'll eventually leak or get released officially when Horner passes away or something. Never say never in this day and age.

THIS SCORE WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER.... you get the point. ;)

Great way to keep the team's morale up. It'll eventually leak or get released officially when Horner passes away or something. Never say never in this day and age.

Someone thinks they are the forum police.

I'll have fun re posting Amanda's never never posts when the score is leaked or released officially, and saying told you so. I think she's just tring to get a rise out of us and having the last word.

THIS SCORE WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER.... you get the point. ;)

We get the point you're trying to make but it doesn't mean we have to agree with it. ;) I mean several people always said that we would never get a proper Friday the 13th album because Paramount execs are douches like that but we got not just a complete first score, we got 6. Add to that the fact that the masters were apparently gone. Yeah, an official Titanic album sounds unlikely (which it is) but it'll leak eventually. Maybe not in the perceivable future but eventually.

Well, if GNP Crescendo can come back from the dead and release a complete Star Trek score release, we could still get a complete score to Titanic.

(my above post was joke BTW.)

Well, if GNP Crescendo can come back from the dead, we could still get a complete score to Titanic.

(my above post was joke BTW.)

I know. I didn't think anybody could seriously be that negative. The studios know there are demands for more score and you know they're gonna milk the franchise for all that it's worth so who knows the coupe de gras could be an official complete score. Just an idea.

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Anything could get a complete score release in this day and age. I never thought I'd see a complete score to Carrie from 1976, low and behold in 2010 a complete score emerges.

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IT WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN. NEVER EVER NEVER EVER.

I need to make a remix or something of that...

IT WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN. NEVER EVER NEVER EVER.

The best and closest chance we have had is from William, who has remained relatively quiet about it lately.

Yeah yeah yeah, whatever you say. Titanic is so unique among film scores that it will never be released

Too bad there will not be any Video games like with TPM.

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If they had any interest, this was the time. For now, it seems Sony itself does not want to release it itself. **too expensive**, whatever. They are also not going to allow Intrada or LLL at it either, they made that clear. Titanic is a cash cow. They will sit and hold onto it, just so others can't make a profit off of it. Of course, the Avatar sessions did leak, less than a year after the film released. But, Titanic ..no peep. Except for william. I really in my heart doubt they will ever appear. And, if they do, it will be the sessions pre film edit. Which is cool for me, but will disappoint film version folks.

Only for the time being. They say no to Intrada or La la land now, but that doesn't mean they won't say yes at a later Date. As long as there are record labels willing to try and fans who are willing to buy there is always hope there.

And if William is to be believed (and why would he lie?) there are other copies of the recording sessions floating around in other peoples hands.

It will emerge one day, mark my words

is there any non-score crap left for a future edition?

if so, than there is hope for the next release, if it has stuff not on the others....

it wil never happen though.

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If they had any interest, this was the time. For now, it seems Sony itself does not want to release it itself. **too expensive**, whatever. They are also not going to allow Intrada or LLL at it either, they made that clear. Titanic is a cash cow. They will sit and hold onto it, just so others can't make a profit off of it. Of course, the Avatar sessions did leak, less than a year after the film released. But, Titanic ..no peep. Except for william. I really in my heart doubt they will ever appear. And, if they do, it will be the sessions pre film edit. Which is cool for me, but will disappoint film version folks.

But with the sessions it'd be much easier to create your own film versions.

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There is no way that the set would appeal to average buyers. And this would be a what, 3 or 4 cd release? So...figure 50 to 100 bucks? Limited market appeal? No way Sony does it. Even Avatar has not had a true official, mastered , pretty looking and sounding expansion.

The original album is an instrumental score album and that sold 26 million copies worldwide.

Even a fraction of that will be good money to any record label.

As you say Avatar is only a few couple of years old, plenty of time for an official release there one day in the future too.

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There is no way that the set would appeal to average buyers. And this would be a what, 3 or 4 cd release? So...figure 50 to 100 bucks? Limited market appeal? No way Sony does it. Even Avatar has not had a true official, mastered , pretty looking and sounding expansion.[COLOR="Silver"]

Not to mention Avatar was a horribly butchered album while Titanic already received a pretty decent album release even if it wasn't complete. I saw the 3D version of Titanic today and honestly there were maybe 2 or 3 cues I wouldn't mind having but the rest was too buried under SFX to really grab me. Also, I had heard that Horner only recorded about 2 hours and 15 minutes or so of music so it could easily fit across 2 CDs and still sell out if it was a limited release. That would still leave room for some alternates but I agree completely that an official complete score just doesn't sound likely at all but I have no doubt that it'll leak at some point once Paramount and Sony are done milking the cow dry and decide to take it off their radar. Honestly I don't think it'll publicly leak just simply because it would spread like wildfire and catch a lot of attention.

The movie itself will have anniversaries too. 20 years, 25, 30. Any of those would be a great time for an expanded score release.

Sure they missed the boat (pun intended) this time, but this score is movie Titanic related, not the ship.

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JHFan can be more specific, but I do not think the majority of the album release is film cue. I get the impression that all we have are arranged suites and alt. cues, and not many real film true cues at all. So in that way, this is less a release at all. It would be great to have a short, butchered OST, since that would actually contain..err..the OST..:(

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Which is why I say, leaving out a "complete" release, I would have settled now for just a single disc release of film edit cues. :?

Right about now I'd settle for the Main Title and film version of Rose.

I'm wondering if Sissels involvement is what might make this more expensive than usual.

Sissel sang a song for LOTR: ROTK, and that got released.....

Sissel sang a song for LOTR: ROTK, and that got released.....

That was Enya, or was that for the first film.

Sissel was integral to the entire score with Titanic though. Must make it more complicated.

Enya for the first, Emilliana Torrini for TTT, and Annie Lennox for ROTK, and Sissel had a song that was for a scene for the houses of healing.

from Titanic to LotR...

what song is this Sissel you speak of??
Is it on the complete recordings?

Someone thinks they are the forum police.

I'll have fun re posting Amanda's never never posts when the score is leaked or released officially, and saying told you so. I think she's just tring to get a rise out of us and having the last word.

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS LONGER THAN ANYONE.

You want to harp on someone, harp on me about it. All she's done is repeat what I've been saying all along, not out of negativity, but out of simple reality. Everything she's said, wishful thinking and all, I've been saying this whole time. There is NO reason in the world to think this will ever see the light of day.

I'm not trying to "get a rise" out of anyone. I'm being completely realistic. Nothing more, nothing less.

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS LONGER THAN ANYONE.

You want to harp on someone, harp on me about it. All she's done is repeat what I've been saying all along, not out of negativity, but out of simple reality. Everything she's said, wishful thinking and all, I've been saying this whole time. There is NO reason in the world to think this will ever see the light of day.


I'm not trying to "get a rise" out of anyone. I'm being completely realistic. Nothing more, nothing less.

In saying all that there is also NO reason in the world to think it won't.

Guess I'm just more of a "glass half full" kinda person unlike you and Amanda

Well to be completely transparent about this, if the score was to leak, I'd be the first to say not only thank you, but also be completely happy to be flat-out wrong. This isn't some ego thing. I have no ego, especially about something like this. Wrong or right is irrelevant. There are also many, many ways to 'leak' something. Hell I'd accept full blame and have the dogs locked onto me as a scapegoat if it meant getting this score out. I have nothing left to lose in that sense. Cameron could come over and personally throw me overboard into the Mariana Trench.

MFW I come back to check in here...


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*gasps*
*breath slows down rapidly*

It's....it's just too much...


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~FIN~

Nobody did tell me what scene it was that Sissel did for RotK...

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I can't answer for LOTR but she can be heard throughout many Titanic tracks.

jeanbaker, I had no idea untill now that it was you who re created the Alive theme for guitar, thanks so much. Next to Titanic that score, including the James Newton Howard's alternate cues from the 20 years later documentary, is my most wanted complete score. Your version of the documentarys closing theme is note perfect. Awesome.

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Nobody did tell me what scene it was that Sissel did for RotK...

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It was intended for the houses of healing scene but that sequence was cut in the theatrical version of the movie. When that scene was added in the extended edition it was then replaced by the Arwen's song. They both appear in the complete recordings soundtracks though.

Someone thinks they are the forum police.

I'll have fun re posting Amanda's never never posts when the score is leaked or released officially, and saying told you so. I think she's just tring to get a rise out of us and having the last word.

Back off, chummer. Amanda isn't trying to get a rise out of anybody. she is technically right when she says no DL links are allowed in the GD forum. But practically speakin' there are exceptions.

As for a release...No. she's probably right on that one. if you didn't get a full release now, on the ideal date for it, you won't get it. Sony doesn't want it released by a third party, like LalaLand or Intrada, and that's it. WOuldn't be the only score that never got a decent complete release of its original recording: Blade Runner, Conan (although Intrada seems to be working on that one), and many others NEVER had (and likely never will have) any "official complete releases". Hell, Even Hook, didn't get one, although LaLaland's CD is awesome, and a beautiful tribute to the movie. And don't get me started on the Star Wars movies. So no. outside of fan edits, nothing will ever see the light of day. unless someone's crazy enough to risk his job leaking such a sensitive piece of music, which would be a sure way to be both fired and blacklisted in the music industry.

Oh, we have another fortune teller in here I see.

Who said it has to be a complete release, I know I'd be happy with just an expanded one. And don't try to tell me that never happens as it seems we get several a month lately.

I can't answer for LOTR but she can be heard throughout many Titanic tracks.

jeanbaker, I had no idea untill now that it was you who re created the Alive theme for guitar, thanks so much. Next to Titanic that score, including the James Newton Howard's alternate cues from the 20 years later documentary, is my most wanted complete score. Your version of the documentarys closing theme is note perfect. Awesome.

Thank youRJ1979, i love the Alive soundtrack! and i tried to make that guitar theme cus i love it! i'm so glad you like it! i'm so sorry for my titanic score version of editing! maybe you expect something better than that! but i promise i'll get back to that tracks! especially in Departure! the sinking is better than original! cus some dissolve points are bad in the movie version and out timing, i tried to set them as good possible! well guys, even if we will never see the score released! there's more possibilities to get them in private, just to know the right persons. ^^ bye

Yes please ask to that guy if He can make something to release a complete score.

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Woow! 2 new pages!

I read everything and... it's funny, because... I was told that this topic was useless, and I defended that it was not because we had, thanks to jeanbaker, some new tracks very close to the film version, at last! And, now, there is a little war about "There will never be any complete score", "There will be a complete", "no", "yes", "no", "yes", "no"... Yeah, now, this topic is definitely useless if it's just about pretending that there will be or not a complete.

I first posted here to share my anger, like you, about the Anniversary Edition.
Then, miracle, jeanbaker shared an edit of him which is, honestly, the best one I even heard! I've been looking for a good fan-complete score of Titanic for years, like you, I downloaded so many versions, I had so many disapointments with too much SFX, noise, bad quality sound... and I'm just happy to hear jeanbaker's work because it just fits! Don't you think? Of course, it's not perfect, and it's not the official! But I could not do what he did, and nobody here seems able to do better, as far as I see. So, of course, we have the right to think that it's pointless if we are just interested by official cues ; but, as I'm not sure they'll ever come, I'm so happy people like jeanbaker give a try, and what a try! It's a good work! If someone better than him comes one day, great! But, for now, at last, there are cues from Titanic that are very, very close to the film version (or exactly the same) and with an excellent quality, so I can listen to them! So cool!

To give my point of view about it, me too, when I saw that the Anniversary edition was not the complete, I thought : "Ok, game over." Because, yes, if they don't do it for the 100th anniversary of the sinking and the 15th anniversary of movie and the 3D version, when will they do? Yes, there will be other anniversaries, but so symbolic? Not sure. So, yes, it seems very compromised to me too, but, we never know! We can't be totally sure. It's just intuition, logic, pronostics, but, why not?

The point is that, as we don't know yet if there will be a complete or not, we can try to get some cue thanks to the talent or relations of some of us! Some fan-made scores are better than official albums, we know that! It's harder for some films than other, but, it's possible. I thought it was totally impossible for Titanic, but jeanbaker just proved the contrary! Am I the only one to think that he made something awsome? Did you listen to the his edit of "Ending scene"? It's great! I never found such a good version before! That's not nothing for me! Waiting for the complete Score (or never have it) will be more bearable thanks to these tracks!

I agree with Amanda about one thing (even if I don't know Cameron's methods as well as her) : there is the complete music as Horner composed it for the film, and there is the complete music as we hear it the film. The sonorities, the effects are a bit different in the film, we notice that something is different, sometimes, in the music, so, someone must have mixed, modified the music of James Horner. So... what is our priority? Personnaly, I'm interested by both of them ; music composed by Horner, and music as heard is the film. jeanbaker tries to get the music as heard in the film! I think it's what I prefer. So, I think Amanda is right to explain this, that the music we're looking for was altered, modified by Cameron or someone of the crew and it makes the music very, very hard (or impossible) to find and to re-create by fans!

So, I wrote a lot. Nethertheless, I'm not here to talk for hours about this missing score, because, we all agree that this is such a shame ; we only don't share the same trust and hope in seeing it edited in the future. So, that's all. Nothing to add. The real interest of this topic, for me, it's the tracks edited by jeanbaker (or someone else!). About download links... there are not download here. Just links for videos. But, if it's really a problem, we can create a special topic for the works of jeanbaker or other fans who would try to create fan-made tracks.

Woow! 2 new pages!

I read everything and... it's funny, because... I was told that this topic was useless, and I defended that it was not because we had, thanks to jeanbaker, some new tracks very close to the film version, at last! And, now, there is a little war about "There will never be any complete score", "There will be a complete", "no", "yes", "no", "yes", "no"... Yeah, now, this topic is definitely useless if it's just about pretending that there will be or not a complete.

I first posted here to share my anger, like you, about the Anniversary Edition.
Then, miracle, jeanbaker shared an edit of him which is, honestly, the best one I even heard! I've been looking for a good fan-complete score of Titanic for years, like you, I downloaded so many versions, I had so many disapointments with too much SFX, noise, bad quality sound... and I'm just happy to hear jeanbaker's work because it just fits! Don't you think? Of course, it's not perfect, and it's not the official! But I could not do what he did, and nobody here seems able to do better, as far as I see. So, of course, we have the right to think that it's pointless if we are just interested by official cues ; but, as I'm not sure they'll ever come, I'm so happy people like jeanbaker give a try, and what a try! It's a good work! If someone better than him comes one day, great! But, for now, at last, there are cues from Titanic that are very, very close to the film version (or exactly the same) and with an excellent quality, so I can listen to them! So cool!

To give my point of view about it, me too, when I saw that the Anniversary edition was not the complete, I thought : "Ok, game over." Because, yes, if they don't do it for the 100th anniversary of the sinking and the 15th anniversary of movie and the 3D version, when will they do? Yes, there will be other anniversaries, but so symbolic? Not sure. So, yes, it seems very compromised to me too, but, we never know! We can't be totally sure. It's just intuition, logic, pronostics, but, why not?

The point is that, as we don't know yet if there will be a complete or not, we can try to get some cue thanks to the talent or relations of some of us! Some fan-made scores are better than official albums, we know that! It's harder for some films than other, but, it's possible. I thought it was totally impossible for Titanic, but jeanbaker just proved the contrary! Am I the only one to think that he made something awsome? Did you listen to the his edit of "Ending scene"? It's great! I never found such a good version before! That's not nothing for me! Waiting for the complete Score (or never have it) will be more bearable thanks to these tracks!

I agree with Amanda about one thing (even if I don't know Cameron's methods as well as her) : there is the complete music as Horner composed it for the film, and there is the complete music as we hear it the film. The sonorities, the effects are a bit different in the film, we notice that something is different, sometimes, in the music, so, someone must have mixed, modified the music of James Horner. So... what is our priority? Personnaly, I'm interested by both of them ; music composed by Horner, and music as heard is the film. jeanbaker tries to get the music as heard in the film! I think it's what I prefer. So, I think Amanda is right to explain this, that the music we're looking for was altered, modified by Cameron or someone of the crew and it makes the music very, very hard (or impossible) to find and to re-create by fans!

So, I wrote a lot. Nethertheless, I'm not here to talk for hours about this missing score, because, we all agree that this is such a shame ; we only don't share the same trust and hope in seeing it edited in the future. So, that's all. Nothing to add. The real interest of this topic, for me, it's the tracks edited by jeanbaker (or someone else!). About download links... there are not download here. Just links for videos. But, if it's really a problem, we can create a special topic for the works of jeanbaker or other fans who would try to create fan-made tracks.

i Agree in all you say! about the original soundtrack or piece re-recorded for the movie here's a little point to say! that bastards (in good sense) have the full OST that include the entire sets of channels of full orchestra instruments (solo recorded at the same time) then after that its too too tooooo simple mixing the tracks for compose the movie! cus they have all the elements! for example the final scene! the music used was from the ost, unable to stay.. this track is in stereo and had two channels! too little for a remixing for extract only the instruments we would to leave! instead the track recorded from them that had one channel for instrument!! LOL this is the problem for do a custom score, the only thing i can made is to get the all effects and synth used for the movie and compose it from zero! and is too hard.

I noticed yesterday when I Saw titanic 3D a nice cue when jack and rose are in the car , a piano cue very close to butterfly and first apparition

i Agree in all you say! about the original soundtrack or piece re-recorded for the movie here's a little point to say! that bastards (in good sense) have the full OST that include the entire sets of channels of full orchestra instruments (solo recorded at the same time) then after that its too too tooooo simple mixing the tracks for compose the movie! cus they have all the elements! for example the final scene! the music used was from the ost, unable to stay.. this track is in stereo and had two channels! too little for a remixing for extract only the instruments we would to leave! instead the track recorded from them that had one channel for instrument!! LOL this is the problem for do a custom score, the only thing i can made is to get the all effects and synth used for the movie and compose it from zero! and is too hard.

So, here it becomes really frustrating ><

i Agree in all you say! about the original soundtrack or piece re-recorded for the movie here's a little point to say! that bastards (in good sense) have the full OST that include the entire sets of channels of full orchestra instruments (solo recorded at the same time) then after that its too too tooooo simple mixing the tracks for compose the movie! cus they have all the elements! for example the final scene! the music used was from the ost, unable to stay.. this track is in stereo and had two channels! too little for a remixing for extract only the instruments we would to leave! instead the track recorded from them that had one channel for instrument!! LOL this is the problem for do a custom score, the only thing i can made is to get the all effects and synth used for the movie and compose it from zero! and is too hard.

um....?

Oh, we have another fortune teller in here I see.

Who said it has to be a complete release, I know I'd be happy with just an expanded one. And don't try to tell me that never happens as it seems we get several a month lately.

not a fortune teller, but some pragmatic guy. Sony has no interest releasing it, and if they didn't release it this time, that leaves the movie 20th/25th anniversary. In over words around 2017/2022.and that still seems pretty far fetched to me.

No need to call people fortune tellers or ill omens just because they don't share your optimism, bub.

not a fortune teller, but some pragmatic guy. Sony has no interest releasing it, and if they didn't release it this time, that leaves the movie 20th/25th anniversary. In over words around 2017/2022.and that still seems pretty far fetched to me.

No need to call people fortune tellers or ill omens just because they don't share your optimism, bub.

When people start posting that things will never happen you can pretty much guarantee that they eventually will.

Didn't they say that the Titanic would never sink, and look how that turned out.

Yep. and we were supposed to have sent a team on Mars by 2005, and a permanent base station around the same time.

I'm a born pessimist anyway. Thus, I'm never disappointed .

All things come to those who wait.

I'm in no hurry.

- The music we hear when Jack and Fabrizio run on the docks. It sounds like irish music. I can't find this music. Contrary to what many people pretend, it's not "Jack Dawuson's Luck" that we can find in the "Back to Titanic" Album, it's something else. In this site (Filmtracks: Titanic (Complete?) Cue List (http://www.filmtracks.com/scoreboard/index.cgi?read=39140)), they say it's one the tracks previously composed by Horner for the film "Heaven help us"/"The Catholic Boys", but I never could find this track anywhere, the score is too rare.
- The music we hear when the ship leaves the port. There are some elements, of course, of "Leaving Port", but that's not all. We miss the most important to me, the chorus we hear when Jack and Brizio say goodbye to the crowd.


Haha, I remember making that complete cue list. Only some of the titles are official, the rest I "Horner-ized" :-P He uses very dramatic wording for his cues so I tried to emulate that.

If you're interested, I have a rip of the "lucky ticket" scene from a copy of the film with most dialogue removed or softened, but still sound effects. I'm guessing this would be the "Leaving Southampton" cue registered with the ASCAP.

Titanic Unreleased Score - Winning the Ticket/Leaving Southampton - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPnsdDnM8aM)

-Kevin

Hey, bandtrumpet7!

So, you are the author of the excellent cue list inspired by the ASCAP? Well, that's great to meet you and tell you that it is excellent work that I often consulted when I tried to create a complete score!

About the track you made, yeah, I already know it! I made so many research for Titanic score, I think I have all we can have, even the worst! Your track is the best I had heard because, indeed, you managed to get rid of the voices! But, the work of jeanbaker is just amazing. About the irish music of "lucky ticket", he made this track, very short, but the best we can find, without any SFX and very clear sound!
Titanic Music: The Lucky Ticket - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RutaG9Gncak&feature=BFa&list=UURAL8R74yxi5ca34HLHsidw&lf=plcp)
But, what disturbs me is the drums we hear that are very strong ; I think it's not so strong or totally absent in the movie. Well, that's an excellent work though.

About the "Leaving port", jeanbaker made something great, but the difficulty is with the chorus ; I'm pretty sure that we have it on the albums, but I don't have the "musical ear" at all, so, I'm a little bit confused. I think that with the good chorus and a shorter intro (it's not so long in the movie), it would be perfect!

Well, thanks you guys, all those who use their abilities and talent to try to create a complete score! It's such a pleasure to listen to this!

P.S. I love your avatar, bandtrumper7!

Personally, I believe that this score will be released SOMEDAY. Could be 10 or 20 years from now, hell, maybe 30, who knows? Look at releases like "Ben Hur" or "The Robe". But released anytime in the near-distant future? Sadly, no. (And yes, I do read tea leaves and tarot cards in my spare time, while channeling the ghost of Jerry Goldsmith's great-grandmother.)

But, what disturbs me is the drums we hear that are very strong ; I think it's not so strong or totally absent in the movie.

The drums are there because that's the version from Heaven Help Us. Horner re-recorded it for the film and varied it slightly, so there's less of a percussive beat. It also sounds a bit crisper ... don't know how else to put it. The theme appears three times in the movie; when Jack and Fabrizio are running towards the ship, when Jack and Rose are being chased by Lovejoy, and later as a continuation of that scene when they're running through the boiler room.

As to whether or not the score will be released, I'm half hopeful and half pragmatic. Part of me thinks that this is such an amazing score and it deserves release, even by bootleg; the other half knows that this is something that is not sanctioned by Paramount or Sony or Fox or anyone else, and the discs locked in a vault are precisely that ... locked in a vault. So the chances of me getting to hear it are slim to none ... but that leads back to the hopeful part. It's a cycle. I think everyone here has good points, though, and I'm at least glad to talk about the score and see that other people are as passionate about it as I am!

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Nobody so happens to have a clean copy of the Third Class dance music minus the dialogue from the film? Thanks in advance.

An Irish Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-L4sBbfJ3k&feature=fvst)
Here it is

ok guys!! :) i found the Titanic version of Rakish Paddy, and i edited it for make it much similar to the movie! i made two version! the departure version ( this time without bad drums of the heaven help us version) and the running boiler scene version! i hope you like them! *__* ciaoo

The Lucky Ticket:
TITANIC SCORE: The Lucky Ticket (Unreleased) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQi2xPlOn-o)

Boiler Room:
TITANIC Score: Boiler Room (Unreleased) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgtDmmD2vk0)

Thanks a lot, Theodred27 for the Irish Party without dialogues! That's awesome!

Hey, jeanbaker! Great to see you again! And, as usual, you don't come with empty hands! Great work! Congrat' for your two tracks! They are perfect! Just as we hear them in the movie! I love you, guy! Go on like this! I just can't other edits from you! I have the impression to rebuild a vaste puzzle that I thought I'd never hear! Thank you so much dude and see you soon for other tracks, I hope!

Waou , these links are great , I download them to make my own complete score.
I hope to see something with this one
Unreleased "Titanic" Soundtrack - First Eye-Contact - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=FLF-vJampzikDenSm9J5MdBg&feature=player_detailpage&v=3mC5V_jvJ9A)
It is one of the best piano moment of the film along with the butterfly.

I founf this... very interesting stuff...

TITANIC Score Unreleased - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=TITANIC+Score+Unreleased&oq=TITANIC+Score+Unreleased&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=youtube-reduced.3...75161.82526.0.83469.3.3.0.0.0.0.121.29 1.2j1.3.0).

They are dvd rips. ALL contain fx and echoes, and one or two (winning ticket for example) are straight up audio with no attempt at removing said fx and dialogue. So, FOR ME, and me personally, no interest here at all.

better than nothing, though.

I already know the track you posted anthonyjosephlinehan (As I said before, I made looooooot of researsh and know well all the attempts to create a complete score). This is a noble cause, but my opinion is that with too many SFX, it does not worth it. Some people are not so disturbed by SFX, but me, really, I can't bear them ; I don't see the intetest. It bothers me, prevent me from enjoying the music. It's just like the movie but just the sound. So, I personnaly prefer nothing than that.
And, I repeat me but, that's why I love soooooo much the work of jeanbaker, because he succeded in the impossible compromise between music in the film version AND so SFX! That's just miraculous!

I'm so waiting for someone to come in here and do that CSI Miami thing...


hopes, shades... sunk.

:smug:

better than nothing, though.

Of course, this is a matter of purely personal preference. I cannot abide any amount of fx, it sucks out the fun for me. So for me, nothing is better than having an fx filled rip. Also, in this case, we do have the official OST's, and despite the flaws, that IS better than nothing. But again, to each thier own.

OSTtracker, I have bought all of James Horner's OST's. When and if the complete recording sessions come out to buy or whatever, I'm there, money will be no object. I am delighted to suffice with what I have at the moment. This is what I have meant by, it's better than nothing. I am greatful to have this and thank the people that have put this together and kept Horner's fantistic score alive today.

OSTtracker, I have bought all of James Horner's OST's. When and if the complete recording sessions come out to buy or whatever, I'm there, money will be no object. I am delighted to suffice with what I have at the moment. This is what I have meant by, it's better than nothing. I am greatful to have this and thank the people that have put this together and kept Horner's fantistic score alive today.

Don't worry, I had understood what you meant! And, of course, me too, I was ready to pay if a real good anniversary edition was released, it would have been a real pleasure to get the object and to support Horner's work. I just agree with Amanda about SFX, I'm too sensible to them, so, I prefer, personnaly, nothing than that! And by "nothing", I mean, in fact, the 2 official CD, which are not really nothing but just the worst OST montage I've ever seen!

As for the re-release. Oh my God!!!! What a rip off for us fans! No wonder people are downloading. Can you blame them! (I didn't say that! hehe :)) Some day soon, we will have the complete recording sessions in our hands, only patience will be a merit. Nice talkin too ya! :):happycroc:

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There's an old say that cam from Serenity...
Can't stop the signal, Mal.
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JeanBaker, may i ask what is included in you suite "The Sinking"? Did you combine OST traks or what? Also, are you considering making these available as mp3 links? Youtube is never the best source...

JeanBaker, may i ask what is included in you suite "The Sinking"? Did you combine OST traks or what? Also, are you considering making these available as mp3 links? Youtube is never the best source...

Of course Amanda! No problem, i will made a download link of zip file with the all pieces i made! ^^ yes as we know the sinking movie version contain various mixed tracks, but edited in some parts, i used "the sinking OST" "a building panic" and "death of titanic" in the movie version we dont hear the bad result of the editing because the sfx, but if you take a particular look to listen very well it, you would hear some timing split and other things, i tried to made it better without that problems.
I wanna ask you guys for complete my track of departure, i cant find the choir osttracker's said, enyone could listen that part and tell me (if there is) in what part of the ost i have to looking for? I still thinking a remixed edited version of leaving port choir but i'm not sure at all.
For any people wanna try to extract the music from the movie, i wanna say that you can delete all sfx you want if you know the frequency level of that sound leaving the other, its very difficult way but its only way to do that, and you have to know the exactly frequence of that sfx, i listen the first eye meet and the only way for do that is, try to delete the sfx in that way, or made it by zero, with my piano and record all instruments that are in that part. But it would be a long work i think. Thank you guys, seeya soon (:

If you want a preview of what the complete score should sound and look like, check this out (http://www.youtube.com/user/kougermasterz/videos?view=1). Most of the tracks have sound effects as they're ripped straight from the film, but it's a good representation of what the official album releases are missing. :(

Of course Amanda! No problem, i will made a download link of zip file with the all pieces i made! ^^ yes as we know the sinking movie version contain various mixed tracks, but edited in some parts, i used "the sinking OST" "a building panic" and "death of titanic" in the movie version we dont hear the bad result of the editing because the sfx, but if you take a particular look to listen very well it, you would hear some timing split and other things, i tried to made it better without that problems.
I wanna ask you guys for complete my track of departure, i cant find the choir osttracker's said, enyone could listen that part and tell me (if there is) in what part of the ost i have to looking for? I still thinking a remixed edited version of leaving port choir but i'm not sure at all.
For any people wanna try to extract the music from the movie, i wanna say that you can delete all sfx you want if you know the frequency level of that sound leaving the other, its very difficult way but its only way to do that, and you have to know the exactly frequence of that sfx, i listen the first eye meet and the only way for do that is, try to delete the sfx in that way, or made it by zero, with my piano and record all instruments that are in that part. But it would be a long work i think. Thank you guys, seeya soon (:

I personally can't speak to the technical or accuracy aspects, but I am quite enjoying your work, tank you.

It's very interesting to see how you work on your edits, jeanbaker. I completly see what you mean about the sinking track ; indeed, when we pay attention ot it during the movie, the movie edit is very rude in fact, not very soft or sweet ; it's very strange ; it's as if Horner had composed, at first, what we hear on the CD, different suites, and then, had put his different tracks or piece of tracks in a new order.

Well, about "The Departure", it's very hard for me because I don't have the musical ear at all, I see what kind of ton we hear in the movie, but, when I try to find it in the official tracks, I'm lost and confused, I can't materialise, in my mind, a note or a sound. But... I tried, because I really want to help you! I'm so grateful for you work. So, I listened as carefully as I could and, my hypothesis is that the good "chorus" is in "Leaving Port" track. What we hear between 24's and 30's or what we hear between 30's and 39's. But, it's possible that in the movie, this chorus is altered, maybe the speed is not the same, it's been modified, really I don't know. Just an idea. What would confirm that is 1) The title (after all, the track is "Leaving port" 2) After the chorus, we can hear in the film the same "steel noise" that in the official Score. That's all what I can say about this.

Go on like this, dear jeanbaker! And thanks again! We enjoy your work!

EDIT : I made some tries with "Leaving Port" chorus and Audacity. I think it's the good one, particularly between 30's-39's, but I'm pretty sure it's been modified. I tested with effect like "Speed" or "Tempo" and, even if it was not very good (I suck with Audacity, too complex for me unfortunately), the results are interesting!

It's very interesting to see how you work on your edits, jeanbaker. I completly see what you mean about the sinking track ; indeed, when we pay attention ot it during the movie, the movie edit is very rude in fact, not very soft or sweet ; it's very strange ; it's as if Horner had composed, at first, what we hear on the CD, different suites, and then, had put his different tracks or piece of tracks in a new order.

or as if scenes were deleted/the scene was reedited so they had to edit the music to fit the scene........

oops nevermind

ok! guys! i fixed some errors with the tracks and re-edited in stereo, for departure, well.... i tried with leaving port but the result is bad! i leave the chorus i made! i'm sorry! maybe i will check back another time, but here you can download all the tracks i made!

https://hotfile.com/dl/152324592/fff2800/Titanic_Score_(Jeanbaker).zip.html

i hope you like my works! thank you guys! you're the best! :)

PS. i'm sorry if you could hear a little bit of sfx in departure! but its very little i don't think could make you angry! XD

Thank you , I hope you are working on some other unreleased cues.

Jeanbaker, is the main title segment just too difficult? I think of all unreleased cues, I should wish for the opening the most.

Wishlist:
Opening title
The Butterfly
Jack drawing / First eyes contact
Take me to the stars ( sex scene in the car )
Ending title , (unedited , just cleaner there is not so much sfx in it)

Wishlist:
Opening title
The Butterfly
Jack drawing / First eyes contact
Take me to the stars ( sex scene in the car )
Ending title , (unedited , just cleaner there is not so much sfx in it)

Understood! But what you mean with the ending title? You dont like my work in ending theme? I tried to made it as similar possible to the movie overadd the tracks for be sure of the time a nd split, so can you tell me what's wrong with it? Anyway for other themes, i will work on it, but just give me time, i'm an actor and i'm so busy in this period, hope you understand, but trust me i will be back soon. Ciao e buona pizza e spaghetti a tutti! sia belli che brutti! :)

Ciao e buona pizza e spaghetti a tutti! sia belli che brutti! :)

LOL :-P

I did not understand what you mean, theodred27 by "Ending Title", because the "Ending Scene" edit by jeanbaker is just perfect and, if you mean the end-title, there are not any SFX, just the song and the Horner suite in the second part. You can easily find a good audio rip of this on YouTube, I think, or in any complete, because it's the easiest to get. But maybe you meant something else.

About the whishlist, in fact, the true whishlist is... all the film score. Here is the final problem! Because, even the pieces we have on the official scores, they are not in the good order or in the good montage. So, there are two types of cues 1) Official ones to "cut" and "paste" in the good order and the good montage 2) Cues that are not in the CD's and that must be "ripped" properly, without SFX. So, it's just hell! I think jeanbaker can't do this all alone, it's too much work, or he'll need a looooot of time and support. I'm ready to help him as much as I can, but unfortunately, it means not much, because I don't have his master with music and mixing programs. I just know very well the score as I heard it in the CD's or in the film, so I can figure if a track is near or far from the "good version", but that's all. I know that some people here, in FFshrine are very good for fan-made complete ; it would be great if you could work as a team, but it depends of movitation and methods of everyone.

So, about Titanic, everything must be started from scratch ; there is the "Opening Titles" but also "The exploration of the Wreck", a good montage of the "Keldysh scenes", "Rose's Suicide attempt", "Hard to Starboard, film version", "The Sinking, Part 1" (all what we hear before the EXCELLENT edit by jeanbaker, which means "The building Panic", the scenes where Rose saves Jack, the kid trapped in the hallway, Jack & Rose trapped the 3rd Class gate with the water beeing higher, etc. Lot of missing cues or just cues we already have but which need to be put in the good order, isolated. Hell, I said!

Thanks a lot, jeanbaker for the link! And all what you've done! Thanks to you, we got more for 10 days than since 10 years! Real good track like in the film and with no SFX! It's priceless!

No Im not saying that your edited cue is bad , the reunion scene at the end ( to be more precise) is a little different it is more soft than "unwilling to leave" that you used and mixed with rose's theme. I have already the music of that scene that I tried to clean but it does not sound great.

So, about Titanic, everything must be started from scratch ; there is the "Opening Titles" but also "The exploration of the Wreck", a good montage of the "Keldysh scenes", "Rose's Suicide attempt", "Hard to Starboard, film version", "The Sinking, Part 1" (all what we hear before the EXCELLENT edit by jeanbaker, which means "The building Panic", the scenes where Rose saves Jack, the kid trapped in the hallway, Jack & Rose trapped the 3rd Class gate with the water beeing higher, etc. Lot of missing cues or just cues we already have but which need to be put in the good order, isolated. Hell, I said!
I agree , the real whislist is the complete score. But for now , my curiosity is focused on the tracks that I told about. Therefore I was not thinking about the tracks you are mentioning but if Jean makes something with it I hope it will come soon.

For what it's worth, the 'Opening Titles' music is simply the track heard when Rose realises Jack is dead.

It was a last minute decision (in Cameron's commentary he said he wanted sad music for the opening title sequence).

The version i added in the zip file to download is the new stereo version that i edited, and the music of the reunion scene is all from the movie, cleaned and i just mixed a little part with unable to stay.. When it heards some sfx, but the youtube version are different from my zip file, the same for the other track in the zip, i have all remastered and re- edited in stereo. ^^

Yes I have downloaded the file , and the song looks at 90% the same xD

I was on youtube and I found this lovely deleted scene.
TITANIC- ROSE DELETED - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6fvLMdE6vw&feature=related)
At the end you can hear a cleaner version of the theme that I call " First eyes contact"

I was on youtube and I found this lovely deleted scene.
TITANIC- ROSE DELETED - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6fvLMdE6vw&feature=related)
At the end you can hear a cleaner version of the theme that I call " First eyes contact"

If you or anyone have the .vob (dvd) file of this deleted scene i will try to extract and clean the music! I had it in my 4 dvd collection but i lost it, if no one have it, well i wait the blu ray 3d version and i will extract from that, :)

I will check it out.
No I don't have it as I only have the 2 dvd special edition... damn it.

I watched recently the deleted scenes and I had noticed, indeed, that Horner used the same music for "first eye contact" and the scene where Rose looks for Jack in the 3rd Class room.

I do have the Deluxe 4 DVD Edition. But, I don't know how I can get a ".vob" file from it. So...

There must be some software you can use to extract these files.

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I watched recently the deleted scenes and I had noticed, indeed, that Horner used the same music for "first eye contact" and the scene where Rose looks for Jack in the 3rd Class room.

I do have the Deluxe 4 DVD Edition. But, I don't know how I can get a ".vob" file from it. So...


Hi friend! :) well you can try with ultraiso, or clonedvd, or dvd shrink clonedvd let choice you what file to copy then i think is better clone! But even dvd shrink i think let you choice something try it and keep me informed! ^^

If you have a mac is more simple just drag and drop the vob file from the dvd folder to your desktop.

"Shooting Star" - Deleted Titanic Scene - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx7LiiipaoU&feature=related)
Another Rose's piano theme , aproximately 50 sec

Guys, Titanic sank... At 2:20 AM 15/04/1912

R.I.P.

100 years.

R I P Guys.

I went to the theater to see the movie in 3D during this night of the 14th to the 15th April. I though of the Titanic the all day long. RIP.

To watch the movie was the occasion to listen once again to the music carefully! So many beautiful tracks we miss!

I'm gonna try to extrate the DVD, but I'm not sure it will work. I'm not very good with these kind of things. As soon as I have something, I post it here. My DVD is Region 2, I hope it's not a problem (about the speed of the images or the music, the frames or something like that!)

jeanbaker, I listened to your new edits versions you sent to us, particularly "The Departure"! I Think it's nearly the good version! Really! I just think that the intro is really shorter and that that the chorus must be introduced directly, without the little "drum effect" we hear between 26's and 27's. I wanted to try myself to modify the file, but the "m4a" format did not allow it.

I went to the theater to see the movie in 3D during this night of the 14th to the 15th April. I though of the Titanic the all day long. RIP.

To watch the movie was the occasion to listen once again to the music carefully! So many beautiful tracks we miss!

I'm gonna try to extrate the DVD, but I'm not sure it will work. I'm not very good with these kind of things. As soon as I have something, I post it here. My DVD is Region 2, I hope it's not a problem (about the speed of the images or the music, the frames or something like that!)

jeanbaker, I listened to your new edits versions you sent to us, particularly "The Departure"! I Think it's nearly the good version! Really! I just think that the intro is really shorter and that that the chorus must be introduced directly, without the little "drum effect" we hear between 26's and 27's. I wanted to try myself to modify the file, but the "m4a" format did not allow it.

Ok! I will do a little edit in it just for you, intime try to rip that scene with dvdshrink software, if you succeed remember that the file must be .vob or any file can contain the 6 mono Channels! (5.1) and keep me updated with your work! I'm trying to do all my best guys, but please i need your help too for this! :) ciao!

I would have done something If I had the correct dvd , all I can tell is that you have two versions of " first eyes contact " a longer one and the one kept in the movie , I think you can easily mix them in order to remove all the sfx

Hey, guys!

Sorry yo have kept you waiting. I didn't have Internet some days ago and then, I waited for the answer of jeanbaker.

So, ok, I did it.

The folder makes 2,5 Gigaoctets. So, how can I send it to you, jeanbaker?

These are the "deleted scenes", with the scene theodred talked about. Do you need the .vob of the whole movie too?

Well, dear jeanbaker, I'm all disposed and ready to do my best to help you in your noble quest for a complete score of the movie! We owe you that, dude!

Hey, guys!

Sorry yo have kept you waiting. I didn't have Internet some days ago and then, I waited for the answer of jeanbaker.

So, ok, I did it.

The folder makes 2,5 Gigaoctets. So, how can I send it to you, jeanbaker?

These are the "deleted scenes", with the scene theodred talked about. Do you need the .vob of the whole movie too?

Well, dear jeanbaker, I'm all disposed and ready to do my best to help you in your noble quest for a complete score of the movie! We owe you that, dude!

Hello my friend! :) so i edited the departure track i do my best but i can't delete the full drum of that part, but i hope you like it, i edited the intro to made it much similar to the movie version, here's the link:
https://hotfile.com/dl/153221459/a34786f/Departure_edit.m4a.html

thank you for keep working for the rip! so i don't need the full movie! i need only the chapter of the deleted scene with the music of ''first eye contact'' yes the .VOB file, when you extract that chapter you can upload it in the same hosting service i used for my tracks! ''Hotfile'' or any other you like, :)

Thank you very much, jeanbaker for the edit, very of you! The intro is perfect! And I think it's the best edit we can have for now, till, maybe, we can work on the Blu-Ray (I'm very curious of what the chorus really looks like without all this noise and voices ; is it really the "Leaving Port" version, or "Leaving Port" altered version as I believe it, or something else which is not in the albums at all?).

About the deleted scenes, I got a problem. I created an account on Hotfile and tried to upload the .vob, but they tell me the file is too heavy. I don't understand. The max weight is 2000ko, ans my file is "only" 0,99Go. So, it should work. But it does not...

jeanbaker, thank you so much for your edits, they sound really really good. Granted, I haven't compared it exactly to the film (sounds like an editing nightmare), but to my ears it sounds pretty good. I'll definitely be adding these to my ipod.

Please let us know if you work on any other tracks from Titanic. Once again, great job! :)

Thank you very much, jeanbaker for the edit, very of you! The intro is perfect! And I think it's the best edit we can have for now, till, maybe, we can work on the Blu-Ray (I'm very curious of what the chorus really looks like without all this noise and voices ; is it really the "Leaving Port" version, or "Leaving Port" altered version as I believe it, or something else which is not in the albums at all?).

About the deleted scenes, I got a problem. I created an account on Hotfile and tried to upload the .vob, but they tell me the file is too heavy. I don't understand. The max weight is 2000ko, ans my file is "only" 0,99Go. So, it should work. But it does not...

sorry too late but i was busy! so i really don't know why for that! you can try with another file sharing!

Don't know what to do either. I already looked for another file sharing and I found nothing that could accept bigger file, or at least without paying...

ok! i hope you will upload it soon! in time i made the track ''Trapped Under E-Deck'' i tried to mix and remix and edit it for made it much good possible! but i lost a little piece of that scene, ''when jack is underwater to find the keys'' i can't find that part! if you hear it somewhere in the OST i will update it! in time i hope you like it! ^^ ciao.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU9jtIYTQIw

Thanks you, jeanbaker for you edit! What a pleasure to have a new edit from you! And it's really good! Great job, as usual!

I don't know where we can find the piece of music you look for but, to be honest, I did not really notice what it is about (I really don't have the musical ear ><), if you had not asked, I would have not notices ; nevertheless, I think that we miss a piece of track when Jack holds the little boy and looks for an exit and then arrives the stranger man ; here, I compared with the movie, and we lack around 20 seconds of music. Don't know if we can find it. But, except this, it's really good! Thank you so much.

Me, I made something that is not so good or usefull, but if some people are interested in the musics by I Salonisti that have been released in the "Anniversary Edition", I made a tracklist of their musics in the order in which they appear in the film and at what moment precisely. There are some songs that I did not manage to recognize because of the voice, SFX and other noise. So, I someone recognizes these mysterious tracks or finds a track that I forgot or did not mention at all, tell us and we'll have a complete tracklist!

PART I
- 01 - Marquerite Waltz (Rose’s Room & Picasso Painting)
- 02 - Wedding Dance (Cherbourg)
- 03 - Wedding Dance (Before Suicide Attempt)
- 04 - Marquerite Waltz (Rose’s Room Melancholia)
- 05 - Poet and Peasant (First Class Saloon ; Ismay & Smith)
- 06 - Oh you, beautiful Doll (Molly’s Room ; Sunset Ship Transition) [Thank you, jeanbaker]
- 07 - Blue Danube (Staircase I)
- 08 - Song Whthout Words (Staircase II)
- 09 - Estudiantina (First Class Dinner I)
- 10 - ? (First Class Diner II)
- 11 - Vales September (First Class Dinner III)
- 12 - Marquerite Waltz (Meeting with Jack at the clock)
- 13 - ? (Rose is thinking about Jack's speech and observes a first class little girl with her mum)
- 14 - ? (Cal asks to Lovejoy where Rose is & orders him to find her)
- 15 - ? (Rose’s Room I, After the Portrait)
- 16 - Titsy Bitsy Girl (Rose’s Room II, After the Portrait, juste before the Irish music)

PART II
- 01 - Alexander's Ragtime Band (First Class dinner room)
- 02 - Wedding Dance (First music plaid by the musicians on the deck)
- 03 - Sphinx (Rose spits to the face of Cal) [Thank you lim2304]
- 04 - Barcaola (Second rocket lauched & Molly saying "it's something we don't see everyday") [Thank you lim2304]
- 05 - Marquerite Waltz (The end of the song only ; a musician is pushed by a passenger just before playing "Orpheus")
- 06 - Orpheus ("They did not listen to us before, in the saloon ; let's play, my friends, it'll keep us warm!... "Orpheus!" - Tommy, Brizio, Jack & Rose arrive on the deck)
- 07 - Estudiantina
- 08 - Vales September
- 09 - Blue Danube (The end of the song only : a woman asks to Smith for her baby)
- 10 - Nearer My God to Thee (Farewell of the musicians)

Thanks you, jeanbaker for you edit! What a pleasure to have a new edit from you! And it's really good! Great job, as usual!

I don't know where we can find the piece of music you look for but, to be honest, I did not really notice what it is about (I really don't have the musical ear ><), if you had not asked, I would have not notices ; nevertheless, I think that we miss a piece of track when Jack holds the little boy and looks for an exit and then arrives the stranger man ; here, I compared with the movie, and we lack around 20 seconds of music. Don't know if we can find it. But, except this, it's really good! Thank you so much.

Me, I made somthing that is not so good or usefull, but if some people are interested in the musics by I Salonisti that have been released in the "Anniversary Edition", I made a tracklist of their musics in the order in which they appear in the film and at what moment precisely. There are just two songs that I did not manage to recognize because of the voice, SFX and other noise. So, I someone recognizes these mysterious tracks, tell us and we'll have a complete tracklist!

PART I
- 01 - Marquerite Waltz (Rose’s Room & Picasso Painting)
- 02 - Wedding Dance (Cherbourg)
- 03 - Wedding Dance (Before Suicide Attempt)
- 04 - Marquerite Waltz (Rose’s Room Melancholia)
- 05 - Poet and Peasant (First Class Saloon ; Ismay & Smith)
- 06 - ? (Molly’s Room ; Sunset Ship Transition)
- 07 - Blue Danube (Staircase I)
- 08 - Song Whthout Words (Staircase II)
- 09 - Estudiantina (First Class Dinner I)
- 10 - Vales September (First Class Dinner II or III)
- 11 - ? (Rose’s Room I, After the Portrait)
- 12 - Titsy Bitsy Girl (Rose’s Room II, After the Portrait, juste before the Irish music)

PART II
- 01 - Alexander's Ragtime Band (First Class dinner room)
- 02 - Wedding Dance (First music plaid by the musicians on the deck)
- 03 - Sphinx
- 04 - Barcaola
- 05 - Marquerite Waltz
- 06 - Orpheus (Tommy, Brizio, Jack & Rose arrive on the deck)
- 07 - Estudiantina
- 08 - Vales September
- 09 - Blue Danube (The end of the song only : a woman asks to Smith for her baby)
- 10 - Nearer My God to Thee

The two song you talking about are, "Oh you beautiful doll (titanic sunset)" and "come josephine in my flying machine" this songs are not in the soundtrack because the producer and the arranger was William Ross (the Composer) i contacted him with facebook, and he answer me time ago, he said that of course he is the producer of that songs, but he really dont have idea where could be are those! He said me that it take a while to find the songs and i have to be patient! But this is of last summer, and i write him many times again for this, but he dont answer me again, i think i bored him! So the only way is to you, to contact him in facebook, and ask him this musics, first time he was very gentle with me, but i lost him now! This is his facebook where you can add himand contact him:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=841889043&ref=ts

I hope you have succes in this! Ciao (:

I was not thinking about all those songs from Salonisti , If anyone of you has a link for all this without the CDs titanic and back to titanic , It would be very appreciated so that I could fullfill my complete score =).

Thanks you, jeanbaker for you edit! What a pleasure to have a new edit from you! And it's really good! Great job, as usual!

I don't know where we can find the piece of music you look for but, to be honest, I did not really notice what it is about (I really don't have the musical ear ><), if you had not asked, I would have not notices ; nevertheless, I think that we miss a piece of track when Jack holds the little boy and looks for an exit and then arrives the stranger man ; here, I compared with the movie, and we lack around 20 seconds of music. Don't know if we can find it. But, except this, it's really good! Thank you so much.

Me, I made somthing that is not so good or usefull, but if some people are interested in the musics by I Salonisti that have been released in the "Anniversary Edition", I made a tracklist of their musics in the order in which they appear in the film and at what moment precisely. There are just two songs that I did not manage to recognize because of the voice, SFX and other noise. So, I someone recognizes these mysterious tracks, tell us and we'll have a complete tracklist!

PART I
- 01 - Marquerite Waltz (Rose�s Room & Picasso Painting)
- 02 - Wedding Dance (Cherbourg)
- 03 - Wedding Dance (Before Suicide Attempt)
- 04 - Marquerite Waltz (Rose�s Room Melancholia)
- 05 - Poet and Peasant (First Class Saloon ; Ismay & Smith)
- 06 - Oh you, beautiful Doll (Molly�s Room ; Sunset Ship Transition)
- 07 - Blue Danube (Staircase I)
- 08 - Song Whthout Words (Staircase II)
- 09 - Estudiantina (First Class Dinner I)
- 10 - Vales September (First Class Dinner II or III)
- 11 - ? (Rose�s Room I, After the Portrait)
- 12 - Titsy Bitsy Girl (Rose�s Room II, After the Portrait, juste before the Irish music)

PART II
- 01 - Alexander's Ragtime Band (First Class dinner room)
- 02 - Wedding Dance (First music plaid by the musicians on the deck)
- 03 - Sphinx
- 04 - Barcaola
- 05 - Marquerite Waltz
- 06 - Orpheus (Tommy, Brizio, Jack & Rose arrive on the deck)
- 07 - Estudiantina
- 08 - Vales September
- 09 - Blue Danube (The end of the song only : a woman asks to Smith for her baby)
- 10 - Nearer My God to Thee

Sphinx plays when Rose spits at Cal and Barcarolle plays when we see the big shot of Titanic sinking and then Molly tells Ruth that is nomething they don't see everyday. It continues faintly in the following scenes, showing the panic around the boats.

According to Amazon , Titanic Blu Ray is expected to be released on September 14. This means we could have the chance to get an instrumental channel without sfx.

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According to Amazon , Titanic Blu Ray is expected to be released on September 14. This means we could have the chance to get an instrumental channel without sfx.

Thanks a lot jeanbaker and lim2403 for your precisions!^^

jeanbaker, I don't have Facebook, so I can't contact the guy you're talking about. Besides, I found this on YouTube : THE TITANIC BAND Oh, You Beautiful Doll - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86HYa762xAo)
Not the official, but better than nothing. It sounds pretty much like in the film!

theodred27, yeah, I totally agree with you about the Blu-Ray version that will enable to get, maybe, a good soundtrack rip of the film. What do you think about this, jeanbaker? Do you think that will be possible to take the music at the source, with a work on the Blu-Ray thanks to the instrumental channel? If it works, we would be sure to have exactly all the music as we hear it in the movie without having to do edits?

theodred27, you can find the "Anniversary Eidtion" with any simple and classic search on the net. Like on this site : Telecharger OST - Titanic [Collector's Anniversary Edition] [2012] autre (http://www.ergor.org/V2/telecharger/dossier_252892_ost+-+titanic+collectors+anniversary+edition+2012.html)

But there are many others.

Thanks you ost tracker , Im listening the link you gave and this is weird I can't remember to have heard this in the movie.

That's because nothing except I Salonisti music is really in the movie.

As we know it, the "Titanic OST" is just "suites" and "alternate" tracks Horner composed but which don't appear like this in the movie. Sometimes, it's quite the same ("Unable to stay, unwilling to leave" is like in the movie, as far as I know), but "Southampton" is not the film version at all and that is worse for "The Departure". And I don't mention all the tracks that miss!

"Back to Titanic" was supposed to "add" some missing music, but it's complete bullshit, except the excellent track "A Building Panic" which gives us some more materials about the Sinking music, but, obviously, as a long suite with some pieces of music not in the good order and re-arranged. The rest of the album are just "covers", remix, re-orchestration of themes we already have. It sucks. What a waste of space on a disk.

"I Salonisti" is not the priority, but, of course, if we look for a complete, they are important. You can find almost all what we hear from them in the movie except "Oh, you beautiful doll" and maybe another track.

And, the fourth CD is just the more provocative joke music industry never did to the audience. A disk which could have included additionnal music is just "Musics from the Titanic era". As if you wanted the "Saving Private Ryan" OST and could only find "Music from the WWII era"!

Well, that's surely why you don't have the impression to hear the movie music! Sorry, dude... I hope gifted fans like our dear jeanbaker will be able to do something for this, beause we can't count on Sony.

Yes , it seems Sony really put all their effort to screw up all this soundtrack. I agree about the fourth disk this is a complete bullshit , I made a joke once by telling that they could have released another disk for Jurassic Park soundtrack called , The Music from Jurassic Park Era ( 1993 ) with all the pop singers and boys bands from that time.
I heard that William Taylor had the recording sessions but didnt want to release it due to possible law pursuit..

For i salonisti, well when John Altman tells me that there's to many piece of titanic orchestra band, that was'nt released! And long time ago he give me the full recording session of i salonisti! In fact, in the new soundtrack lost many pieces played by them! I mean:

Nearer my good to thee (british version) played in the scene of the crab inside the wreck of titanic!

Ave maria (shubert) not played i think

Ave maria (second not played i think

Barber of siville not played i think!

Nocturne. I dont remember if was played

Fruhlingslied (not played i think)

Aus tannhauser (not played i think)

Miss hook of holland ( i dont remember)

Meditation (played when cal ask to low. J. If he find rose and tells him to find her ! before iceberg and car scene! )

I have all this recording with the other released in the new soundtrack played by i salonisti! I can upload it the full recording session!

For the blu-ray version! I really dont know if they have made a remastered audio for The new amplifiers! If there's 7.1 channels minim. We can do that! If we will have only 5.1 we cant do that! So lets hope they do a remastering of the sound!
Ciao! (:

Please post the I salonsti sessions!

:)

What about your meeting with the guy from Sony ? did you ask him about titanic complete score?

What about your meeting with the guy from Sony ? did you ask him about titanic complete score?

We meet last week and we have talked about this, he said that have to contact another sony music office for open this document in private, but he said to me that this is very difficult and maybe i have to wait a while! And that i cant share it with anyone, but i'm bad boy! XD i will share everithing for titanic fans! Cus i think this should be free for all titanic fans in all world! Anyway i will see him next month for other things about tv shows etc. So i will ask him for this too, and see how is going! Ciao (:

great =)

thanks for the information. very nice!

but he said to me that i cant share it with anyone, but i'm bad boy! XD i will share everithing for titanic fans! (:

I'm not so sure you should be posting that, what if this guys reads this post?

we might not ever get them.

Change the name , use a code to refer to Titanic Complete score or whatever , call it "Porno Movie Best Of soundtrack".

Thank you, again and again!, jeanbaker for all the informations about I Salonisti! I didn't know about all these unrealsed tracks and, of course, I'm interested too, even if they are not my priority.

Speaking of I Salonisti, I watched the movie again in the theater, and with a really good sound, I could notice how much their musics were very present. Really, I think there is almost as much I Salonisti than James Horner in this movie, the only and huge difference is that the I Salonisti musics are very discrete and just here to give a distant atmosphere.

So, I noticed new tracks from them, but, could not recognize the songs precisely yet ; maybe there are other tracks that I did not notice. So, here is the new tracklist :

PART I
- 01 - Marquerite Waltz (Rose’s Room & Picasso Painting)
- 02 - Wedding Dance (Cherbourg)
- 03 - Wedding Dance (Before Suicide Attempt)
- 04 - Marquerite Waltz (Rose’s Room Melancholia)
- 05 - Poet and Peasant (First Class Saloon ; Ismay & Smith)
- 06 - Oh you, beautiful Doll (Molly’s Room ; Sunset Ship Transition) [Thank you, jeanbaker]
- 07 - Blue Danube (Staircase I)
- 08 - Song Whthout Words (Staircase II)
- 09 - Estudiantina (First Class Dinner I)
- 10 - ? (First Class Diner II)
- 11 - Vales September (First Class Dinner III)
- 12 - Marquerite Waltz (Meeting with Jack at the clock)
- 13 - ? (Rose is thinking about Jack's speech and observes a first class little girl with her mum)
- 14 - ? (Cal asks to Lovejoy where Rose is & orders him to find her)
- 15 - ? (Rose’s Room I, After the Portrait)
- 16 - Titsy Bitsy Girl (Rose’s Room II, After the Portrait, juste before the Irish music)

PART II
- 01 - Alexander's Ragtime Band (First Class dinner room)
- 02 - Wedding Dance (First music plaid by the musicians on the deck)
- 03 - Sphinx (Rose spits to the face of Cal) [Thank you lim2304]
- 04 - Barcaola (Second rocket launched & Molly saying "it's something we don't see everyday") [Thank you lim2304]
- 05 - Marquerite Waltz (The end of the song only ; a musician is pushed by a passenger just before playing "Orpheus")
- 06 - Orpheus ("They did not listen to us before, in the saloon ; let's play, my friends, it'll keep us warm!... "Orpheus!" - Tommy, Brizio, Jack & Rose arrive on the deck)
- 07 - Estudiantina
- 08 - Vales September
- 09 - Blue Danube (The end of the song only : a woman asks to Smith for her baby)
- 10 - Nearer My God to Thee (Farewell of the musicians)

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About the Sony guy and the top secret complete score... I really don't know what to say.
On the one hand, I totally agree with jeanbaker, and if was him, I'do exactly the same, I would like to share this with all the fans, because they deserve it, and we are all passionate! And, moreover, Sony had it coming ; if only they had released a real good score, we would have bought it and we would not even be here talking about it now!

On the other hand, that's very delicate, because, indeed, a guy may take some risks for this and, to protect himself, he asks to keep it secret. He would be such a hero to share this with jeanbaker, it would be sad to betray him ; maybe this could cost him his job or he could have troubles. In the same time, I wonder if Sony could really know exactly who betrayed them if the score was on the Internet. Could be anyone, and I'm surprised it's not done yet. But, it's jeanbaker who could have troubles if the guy discovers that he gave us the complete score...

So, I figured out some ideas :
1) Like theodred27 suggested, we host the file with a fake name and only those who are in the secret could know what it is about. But, of course, some people will speak too much and will re-name the file and share it everywhere one day...
2) Only MP sharing. We have to contact jeanbaker and this will be the only way. It means that it will work only for members of this Forum. But, it's always the same ; some people who just read the thread silently could register just for this link and then, share the file everywhere, without hiding what it is. Keep a secret on the Internet seems impossible to me!
3) Limited in time downloading. We put the link here, during... 15 days. And, then, it will disappear. It may be enought to avoid a flood of the file on other sites.

Really, it would be very delicate. But, it's not done yet, and maybe the guy will never give him the score!

- 13 - ? (Rose is thinking about Jack's speech and observes a first class little girl with her mum)



This is Vision of Salome =)

I agree with osttracker , MP would be definitely the best way with a fake name , in order to avoid flooding. Nevertheless Im thinking about youtube and how it would be dificult to prevent the complete score to be broadcast on it. In the very little probability in which Jean would get the complete score , we have to be sure that nothing will spread out of this topic.

If one was to get hold of the recording sessions or complete recordings and had the desire to share it on the internet then a code named file would defiantly be the way to go.

Also in terms of protecting themselves from the money grabbing monsters at Sony, uploading the file using a free VPN will hide the originating IP address and make tracing the original upload very difficult.

All it takes is one upload and the fans will do the rest, it would be all over the net in a matter of days or even hours code named or not and there would be very little that Sony could do about it.

I was meaning his post, if the guy reads his post, he probably say "nuh-uh!"

Working in the business as I do, I highly doubt that someone working for Sony would ever risk his job, and career to give a copy of this recording session out to anyone. For some odd reason that I am not privy to, there has been a lock-down on this original recording, referring everything back to the re-recorded tracks that were commerically released. It must have taken a lot of pressure on several people to put the clamp down on this one.

William

^^Well the reason is obvious, which is the reason Sony re-released the pre-existing content:

MONEY.

As in that which Sony does not want to spend.

Yes, that much is obvious, but there are NO copies floating around in the small group of contacts that I know. Everyone has been locked out of getting this recording session from the beginning, and this is so unusual, so bizarre that someone, somewhere would have a copy of this, beyond Horner, who is the ONLY person that I personally know, who has a copy. Everyone else refuses to even think about owning a copy, as if the word was put out that if you have a copy of this, find another line of work! And that goes for anyone who works in the movie biz, or the music industry, like SONY has some sort of power over the whole situation. You ever hear the term "You'll never work in this town again"? Mostly said by industry blowhards that won't be in the industry in a year or two. Well, this is what SONY apparently has told people about this recording. except they say, you won't work in this industry, in any capacity! All those blasted suits over at SONY! What a pain!

William

It would be entirely understandable for them to take that stance IF they intended on releasing the score themselves, but since they refused to do that at the BEST possible time and instead re-released the two soundtrack albums, this is why their stance is just plain confusing.

It sounds like they are holding out for something, but that ship (pardon the pun) has sailed with that re-release.

I have no logical, or even wildly fanciful explanation. They just refuse to release it. Ever. Ever never even. I could see if in hindsight they felt they had screwed up the initial release, but this was indeed the proper, most logical time to rectify that. It is disheartening to say the leas.

Yes, that much is obvious, but there are NO copies floating around in the small group of contacts that I know. Everyone has been locked out of getting this recording session from the beginning, and this is so unusual, so bizarre that someone, somewhere would have a copy of this, beyond Horner, who is the ONLY person that I personally know, who has a copy. Everyone else refuses to even think about owning a copy, as if the word was put out that if you have a copy of this, find another line of work! And that goes for anyone who works in the movie biz, or the music industry, like SONY has some sort of power over the whole situation. You ever hear the term "You'll never work in this town again"? Mostly said by industry blowhards that won't be in the industry in a year or two. Well, this is what SONY apparently has told people about this recording. except they say, you won't work in this
industry, in any capacity! All those blasted suits over at SONY! What a pain!



William


There must be some kind of commercial struggle between Sony and Horner that has stopped any possibility to get even a little expanded score.
Sony has a very firm grip on this soundtrack , even LaLaLand Records told me they had asked once but they were unable to get it.

It would be entirely understandable for them to take that stance IF they intended on releasing the score themselves, but since they refused to do that at the BEST possible time and instead re-released the two soundtrack albums, this is why their stance is just plain confusing.

It sounds like they are holding out for something, but that ship (pardon the pun) has sailed with that re-release.

I completely share your interrogation and your reasonning.

As far as I know, Titanic is the only score to be treated like this. Why this one specially? No commercial release because it would not be lucrative enough ; but the most severe preservation we ever saw with a score. They really have to make up their mind ; I'm ok to pay if they officially release the score ; but if they don't and never will, why preserve it as if it was a proof of the extra-terrestrial life in the Zone 51?

What you explained, William is very interesting, but it lets me perplexed. I don't understand Sony. Money obsession and scorn towards the fans must me their rules.

Yes, that much is obvious, but there are NO copies floating around in the small group of contacts that I know. Everyone has been locked out of getting this recording session from the beginning, and this is so unusual, so bizarre that someone, somewhere would have a copy of this, beyond Horner, who is the ONLY person that I personally know, who has a copy. Everyone else refuses to even think about owning a copy, as if the word was put out that if you have a copy of this, find another line of work! And that goes for anyone who works in the movie biz, or the music industry, like SONY has some sort of power over the whole situation. You ever hear the term "You'll never work in this town again"? Mostly said by industry blowhards that won't be in the industry in a year or two. Well, this is what SONY apparently has told people about this recording. except they say, you won't work in this industry, in any capacity! All those blasted suits over at SONY! What a pain!

William

I do not agree with you, I'm sorry, I have a friend that works for skywalkersound He said about a huge archive of recordings of huge silver discs, i imagine are the original recordings, in alphabetical order on the letter t has 15 disks titanic! I guess they are all versions of all instruments and individual tracks are not used, the problem is not to share them, but do a audio conversion of them as compact disk, and this is difficult if you dont have the permit for do this, but they said to me its possible, about sony, well this guy knows everyone, now i'm in business with another guy that is a producer of paramount pictures, so i think i will do everithing i can for get this tracks, about you said of james horner, well this is impossible, horner dont have any recordings because he only had the rights of performing and composing, even if he would give us that recordings he cant, because he's not the property owner of that! We have to see the producer and distribution rights, so many people worked for that, and get all that is difficult, but its POSSIBLE! We only have to play right!

thanks you for your optimistic response jean.

If Sony could be persuaded there was enough demand, and if they thought they could make money off of it, they would do it. Perhaps an online campaign?

Yes, that much is obvious, but there are NO copies floating around in the small group of contacts that I know. Everyone has been locked out of getting this recording session from the beginning, and this is so unusual, so bizarre that someone, somewhere would have a copy of this, beyond Horner, who is the ONLY person that I personally know, who has a copy. Everyone else refuses to even think about owning a copy, as if the word was put out that if you have a copy of this, find another line of work! And that goes for anyone who works in the movie biz, or the music industry, like SONY has some sort of power over the whole situation. You ever hear the term "You'll never work in this town again"? Mostly said by industry blowhards that won't be in the industry in a year or two. Well, this is what SONY apparently has told people about this recording. except they say, you won't work in this industry, in any capacity! All those blasted suits over at SONY! What a pain!

William

This kind contradicts what you said a year ago.


Yes, DS, the recording sessions are real! There are about 9 discs of session music, alt takes and unused cues. AND, I found out recently that several copies are "Floating" around, in many unscruptious hands, so the time grows near!

If Sony could be persuaded there was enough demand, and if they thought they could make money off of it, they would do it. Perhaps an online campaign?

I tried this before in 2009, and I'll post the link so maybe the petition can start again.

Release the full score from "Titanic" - Petition Spot (http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/titanicscore)

(Only 73 people have signed it ... tell your friends!)

I've also managed to re-do what I did earlier, where I was able to cut out dialogue that sounds better than ripping it from DVD sound (I think the links to the music I posted are in the previous thread, but I'm unwilling at the moment to go search for it, haha), so I'm actually working on re-doing some previous recordings, albeit one with sound effects and such, but I'll try to reduce it as much as possible. (I'll at least try to get some music that most people don't think of.) The obnoxious thing with the Titanic 5.1 mix is that Sissel's vocals are all located in the center track, which is the same as the dialogue ... without the center track, the theme is still evident, but it's very echo-y.

How about a Facebook page? That way it could be easily spread to potentially 900million users. I'm not too familiar with Facebook but I believe it would be the most efficient method of spreading the word about this.

I do agree with the facebook page , but Even if we are 100.000 I seriously doubt that sony will give a shit. But what I did , was to complaint on their facebook page " sony masterwork" about the anniversary edition and I think that if our commentary are very harsh they might give a listen. Otherwise they might just say go f*** yourself.

Good call:

http://www.facebook.com/Titanic1997CompleteScore

Doubt it'll do much difference, but we can definitely increase visibility.

I do agree with the facebook page , but Even if we are 100.000 I seriously doubt that sony will give a shit. But what I did , was to complaint on their facebook page " sony masterwork" about the anniversary edition and I think that if our commentary are very harsh they might give a listen. Otherwise they might just say go f*** yourself.

Well, remember what happened wit the TPM ultimate edition?

bad press could = no release at all.

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Good call:

http://www.facebook.com/Titanic1997CompleteScore

Doubt it'll do much difference, but we can definitely increase visibility.

shouldnt it link to some sort of petition?

I agree with Faleel. Keep it civil. To go around bashing the releases in public may look good from our end, but from the uppity-ups point of view, we're just a bunch of ne'er-do-wells who just complain for the sake of complaining.

Get our numbers up, then petition directly to Sony, but keep it polite. We've supported the film and the music for 15 years, now's not the time to turn against it. (After all, our first exposure to the score was probably the initial album itself, haha.)

This kind contradicts what you said a year ago.

Well, that was correct! I was told by a fellow "in the biz" that EVERYBODY had a copy of the Titanic recording sessions, which puzzled me. So, I started checking with some reliable sources, and found out that this person was talking straight through his hat, no such situation exsists. That is when I found out about the "lockdown" on just THIS soundtrack/recording sessions.

Lucasfilm may have a copy of the recording sessions, since Horner has done much recording at their facility.

William

Maybe if someone posts the link to the petition on the official Titanic Facebook page? That page gets more likes than the Hunger Games and (something else that I forgot) combined in a day

This has been circulating around the web for a few years and I have no idea where it came from... probably a fan rendition of the "The Portrait"?
It is closer to the film version than the "Back to Titanic" version, however.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5xfmlG1Y1

Just hoping that jeanbaker here would be kind enough to make a REAL edit of "The Portrait"

i cant see it. it says error

Confirmed. It just says "an error occurred". Has said everytime i have looked today.

Try this then. It's the same.
Titanic- Rose&#39;s theme - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSZCFFpix2g)

I really hope a FULL score shows.

I have not really a good hear on this , is that version of Rose's theme the same as heard on the movie or the album edit in the original score?

Try this then. It's the same.
Titanic- Rose's theme - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSZCFFpix2g)

This is indeed a closer rendition of the films version of "The Portrait" than what appears on Back To Titanic. This version comes from the 1998 album Titanic - The Ultimate Collection.

Sounds really nice. I take it that this is a re-recording, and not the film version, right?

Are there any sound effects/dialogue in that section of the DVD (The Portrait)? (Talking about the rear channels.) Just wondering if a DVD rip is possible of that cue.

Sounds really nice. I take it that this is a re-recording, and not the film version, right?

Are there any sound effects/dialogue in that section of the DVD (The Portrait)? (Talking about the rear channels.) Just wondering if a DVD rip is possible of that cue.

I don't know , I remember that there were few lines between jack and rose , I think jean backer is the most qualify on the technical aspects

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This is indeed a closer rendition of the films version of "The Portrait" than what appears on Back To Titanic. This version comes from the 1998 album Titanic - The Ultimate Collection.
Thanks :). I've heard of it but never looked into it until now, so that is nice to know.

There is also a beautiful piece of music heard during the statue of liberte scene. I've never been able to find a "legit" fan edit of it.