Film versions of "Southampton" , "Rose" and "Leaving Port" are my grails from the score. Have the "Southampton" piece as ripped from that low quality mono youtube video but that's it.

I really want the cue that plays after the first rocket.Then we see Jack looking from a slightly submerged window. Use.that one as proof. :D
I don't see why people prevent other people from music... that's just cruel

Well, those that MAY really have it cannot post it. Doing so would at the least burn their sources making it nearly impossible to get something like that again. Worst case, they burn someone in real life and cost them their job and/or freedom. And I gotta figure if they got into trouble for this, they'd never be allowed near another score. :/

As far as proof, any cue at all will work. How about the real clean opening tracks?

Yeah and I think the film version of the plunge left out the" ghostly moans". Fucking Avatar gets 3 different releases. Original, expanded and sessions. What shit.

I think the final plunge kept in the choir moans. Horner wanted the music to sound a little like a dying animal; that's also why there's a lot of metal groans and creaks in the last sinking scenes. Cameron wanted to present the Titanic as a dying creature in its death throes. The film mix probably dialed them down a notch though to prevent them from overwhelming any dialogue.

Either way, that music is music to bang to. I like to pretend my" ship" is sinking when that music plays. My girl gets mad when I take too long to plunge. Hahahaha

Well. This thread has taken an interesting turn. "Hard" to starboard?

Either way, that music is music to bang to. I like to pretend my" ship" is sinking when that music plays. My girl gets mad when I take too long to plunge. Hahahaha

I dear! I never thought of using THAT line as a pickup line! I always use the "I want to draw you wearing that...wearing ONLY that" line. For some unknown reason it never works. Huh, I will try yours! :)

Titanic is full of sexual innuendos. It was the nickname of my gear in high school.

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So? Prude it up! Dream the dream of prudes! Have a nice G-rated of prudeness!

Look. This is really very simple. LordFudgecicle does not have anything nor does he wanna share anything. He is here for only one reason and that is to twist you all up. I bet he could care less about any of it. Every time he is banned and comes back he swoops in hear with those statements. Flaunting he is back. And flaunting to admins he is back by outright offering trades on the forumn again. Even if it is ludicrous. He wants a reaction, he wants the attention and he wants us to be frustrated and angry. That is his only motive because to him it is funny.

If I ever got my hands on the Titanic sessions, I'd share it with all of you, no matter what happened to me. It's like we've been on this horrible tortuous journey with no end in sight, and I really wouldn't want to withhold something so precious. :P

See. The recent releases of sessions have really spoiled us. Especially the Avatar and Amazing Spiderman sets. Both in good quality, complete and leaked with the movie still showing. But really what are the odds of that. Now, mere whispers someone has this (with NO proof ever offered) and we twist. A few years ago this would not have even been a serious conversation. Just saying.

When Cameron went down to visit the real Titanic he hid the recording sessions sealed in the Captains Quarters end table at the request of Horner. "You can't miss it, it has a skeleton hand grasping the drawer handle" he said. He told me this at a dinner with He and Horner after only three flutes of ros� wine and a shot of Johnnie Walker. Horner said he almost had a complete breakdown working on the Project, and didn't want to hear another word on the subject, and that the Boney Hand was a metaphor of his writing and directing the recordings and just before he passed out he mumbled something like "Damn You Williams!" I think, he was mumbling mostly, could've been Elfman.

Seems like they banned the fucking schnook. Relax

I thought Cameron went down to the titanic way before the score was written for shots for the movie, when "Titanic spoke to him". And I thought Horner's experience writing Titanic was much better than writing Aliens. Something about that story doesn't seem true to me. *shrugs* Oh well.

uh, ok

I thought Cameron went down to the titanic way before the score was written for shots for the movie, when "Titanic spoke to him". And I thought Horner's experience writing Titanic was much better than writing Aliens. Something about that story doesn't seem true to me. *shrugs* Oh well.

Really? Which part? :D

Obscure JFK reference for the..err.well just for. :awsm:

jedisaurus

I was speaking of the Sep. 11 2001 dive he made.

But anyway the Dinner Party was getting peckish, so i strolled over to the Burton - Elfman table where they had some snow layed out in lines on the table, some Kish and liquid Sunshine, a much livelier section of the Party indeed. So i asked Burton and Elfman, after some ingesting of some party favorites, what's the deal with Horner and Cameron? Burton asked to what are you referring? I told them I was just at their table and (read above post #764 for details) and they both burst out with laughter that echoed through the huge room with over 200 guest. I started laughing too since the party favorites had kicked in at this point and I couldn't help it. Then after three minutes of cackling, which seemed surreal with the costumes (everyone had costumes) Elfman was the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland and Burton was the Mad Hatter, it was like something, well out of Alice And Wonderland at the Mad Hatters Table, I was "Evil Piglet" from Star Treks "Wolf in the Fold" by the way, so I finally asked what was so funny? they cackled even louder for three more minutes pounding the table and so on. Anyway, Burton finally calmed down enough to explain to me that the story was in fact true about the Session Recordings, but that they knew about it in advance and was able to switch them out with a score that Elfman recorded of the same Titanic material as Horners but different, like a bad school band rendition, and Burton's voice backward masked in it with messages like "You shouldn't disturb the dead", "Let it go Cameron", "Ya Movie sucked mate", "Our spirit's will find You!" and also a rendition of "My Heart Will Go On" but with the lyrics reversed song by Tom Cruise while drunk at some kind of Alien God Beer Festival. By this point the Acid had grabbed our brains like rabies turning an animal into a raving beast and we couldn't stop laughing for ten more minutes with interruptions from Burton like "What ya think now mate?" and "We're gonna be so **cking rich!" and "Can you imagine the look on everyone's face when they retrieve those on live T.V. and play them?" I said everyone will hear you guys from half way around the world laughing your asses off, and they both paused and Burton said "No need for insults mate!" and we laughed our bloody asses off till they kicked us out. I thought it was quite rude. Anyhow they explained that when they got to the Dinner Party they ran into Cameron and Horner, and Elfman blurted "We know what you're up to Horner! I know what you've planned", but that Cameron and Horner didn't know about the Sessions switch out, but that everyone will in 2021. I would get into the after Party events but it was too ugly for decent people to read here.

jedisaurus

I was speaking of the Sep. 11 2001 dive he made.

But anyway the Dinner Party was getting peckish, so i strolled over to the Burton - Elfman table where they had some snow layed out in lines on the table, some Kish and liquid Sunshine, a much livelier section of the Party indeed. So i asked Burton and Elfman, after some ingesting of some party favorites, what's the deal with Horner and Cameron? Burton asked to what are you referring? I told them I was just at their table and (read above post #764 for details) and they both burst out with laughter that echoed through the huge room with over 200 guest. I started laughing too since the party favorites had kicked in at this point and I couldn't help it. Then after three minutes of cackling, which seemed surreal with the costumes (everyone had costumes) Elfman was the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland and Burton was the Mad Hatter, it was like something, well out of Alice And Wonderland at the Mad Hatters Table, I was "Evil Piglet" from Star Treks "Wolf in the Fold" by the way, so I finally asked what was so funny? they cackled even louder for three more minutes pounding the table and so on. Anyway, Burton finally calmed down enough to explain to me that the story was in fact true about the Session Recordings, but that they knew about it in advance and was able to switch them out with a score that Elfman recorded of the same Titanic material as Horners but different, like a bad school band rendition, and Burton's voice backward masked in it with messages like "You shouldn't disturb the dead", "Let it go Cameron", "Ya Movie sucked mate", "Our spirit's will find You!" and also a rendition of "My Heart Will Go On" but with the lyrics reversed song by Tom Cruise while drunk at some kind of Alien God Beer Festival. By this point the Acid had grabbed our brains like rabies turning an animal into a raving beast and we couldn't stop laughing for ten more minutes with interruptions from Burton like "What ya think now mate?" and "We're gonna be so **cking rich!" and "Can you imagine the look on everyone's face when they retrieve those on live T.V. and play them?" I said everyone will hear you guys from half way around the world laughing your asses off, and they both paused and Burton said "No need for insults mate!" and we laughed our bloody asses off till they kicked us out. I thought it was quite rude. Anyhow they explained that when they got to the Dinner Party they ran into Cameron and Horner, and Elfman blurted "We know what you're up to Horner! I know what you've planned", but that Cameron and Horner didn't know about the Sessions switch out, but that everyone will in 2021. I would get into the after Party events but it was too ugly for decent people to read here.

Oh. Those dives, I thought you were referring to the 1996 (or 95?) dives. Anyhoo. Cool story. Who are you and how did you get invited to such a swanky hollywood costume party?! Sounds SO COOL! I don't want to believe a word of it, its so hilarious, but so cool! :) I hope we get the sessions soon.

It's from my own "Loathing Diaries" and I wouldn't say who I really am. Believe it or not. I'm really dead, twice.

I vowed not to watch the movie until the sessions are available because I don't want to crave this music. It seems to be beautiful so I think it's best not to know what I'm missing.

That's certainly admirable, but I would go ahead and watch the movie. Let's face it, the music and the movie are both polarizing, and you're gonna get some people who like one but not the other, and some people who love or hate both. Personally, I'm a fan of both the music and the film. The movie hit me at the right time in my life to really make an impact, and it's led to an interest in the real ship, where I've gotten to socialize with experts in the field (many of whom were extras on "Titanic" and have shared their experiences. One interesting thing was that, to get differing levels of panic through the large crowd scenes, a "panic" level was assigned to extras by their birthdays. If you had a birthday in, say, April, August, and November, then you had a panic level of "4'. May, September, and December would be panic level "5", etc. It's fascinating all the stuff that went into the making of the movie, being pretty much the last movie where a lot of the larger-scale effects and crowds were done practically and not digitally). The music adds to the emotion of the film, and at a time when I was already interested in movie scores, it was sort of a life-changing movie. Movies rarely change someone's life, but this was one of them for me. Ignore all the backlash that's built up over the years and just watch the movie with an open mind, knowing that the sessions are out there and there's still suitable album versions readily available on the soundtracks. :)

That said, to everyone else, feel free to sign my petition if you have not yet done so already: Titanic Score | The Complete Score Petition (http://www.titanicscore.com). If nothing else, perhaps it'll show to the record companies/whoever does this sort of licensing that demand for this score is quite substantial. I frequent this forum looking for clues about what exists, where it is currently, etc., but I would happily pay a small fortune for the complete score.

Anyone know (or have a link to) the piece in the deleted scene "Rose Looks for Jack". Its an upbeat piano piece. Don't think its on the re-release that came out a few years ago. It sounds kind of like the piano Alexanders Ragtime Band, but not sure if it is. Working on my "complete edit" for the score. :)

Well that's something to look forward to!

Upload complete. PM me for full link.

https://mega.co.nz/#F!Vo501ZYS!NVgNaj9l8005lOsnQuvBaw

I must say it's impressive the work put into it. Is there by any chance away you put all the files into a folder so I don't have to download individually?

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I think everyone else here ought to take a look. People with the sessions can go fuck themselves. This is a good plate here.

Hmm. Try alt clicking the folder and selecting download? Something like that? Someone else had that issue and that solved it. Any other problems let me know!

So we all love LOVE this score, however we all have heard Horner's habit of copying (from himself as well as others). Its been noted many times before that his scores are not entirely original. We can obviously hear the similarities between Titanic's "majestic leaving port" theme and Enya's Book of Days. I have also heard that the main theme (played at the opening titles/jack's death/rose jumps from lifeboat/and reunites with jack at the end) is directly taken from an old Celtic folk melody. Does anyone have any idea what that tune is called? Either way, this is a great score and I love it, nothing will change that! EVER!

Where'd everyone go?

We can obviously hear the similarities between Titanic's "majestic leaving port" theme and Enya's Book of Days.

Which was entirely on purpose as Jim Cameron even scored the first footage of the film (Showest Teaser found on the international releases of the DVD but not the Blu-ray) with that track and both Horner and Cameron wanted that Enya sound.

Which was entirely on purpose as Jim Cameron even scored the first footage of the film (Showest Teaser found on the international releases of the DVD but not the Blu-ray) with that track and both Horner and Cameron wanted that Enya sound.

ooh. nice to know. :) I always figured that, but critics remain stubborn ;)

Ok guys! :) i bought the symphonic orchestra for my compositions! as i can't have the original recording session i though to recreate the score by my self! LOL but i'm just starting right now and its very difficult! anyway i give you the last two pieces i have edited for the southampton track and leaving port , i have added some drums and crystals etc to recreate the missing sounds with my orchestra, but i wish to recreate the entire score! XP ciao!
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https://mega.co.nz/#!bsQH1BbT!BeP5QzrZmO2M3yg4ItCalUhRvId-a-nK9V4gyHoteBo

https://mega.co.nz/#!HlxUQK4C!RgA8QCsSPp-kw_kY6aVthHKdUGNDoVep2CnQSYfJB-4

And this is the first track i made with the symphonic orchestra, the main theme of the last glow (a sci-fi short film that i'm scoring) comments are welcome! :)

https://mega.co.nz/#!SlRECKiK!XsGfQn4_cMNbjWYdOm4kUTcqLlZIE1m5CKn-nAiQTPc

thanks again jean, you did a great job.
What are you planning to do next? I dont even know what's missing, in fact my edition is about 4 hours and I am mindfucked about it.

nice work!

The best bet probably to get the recording sessions is to wait for a major release by music labels such as La-La Land or Intrada...Containing the four discs of the 2012 release (with or without the Popular Music from the Titanic Era) and a further disk or discs for the recording sessions structured for the score as heard in the film. It will take years at best (2017-2018 marks 20 years after the production/release) and maybe even the cooperation of James Horner and James Cameron. Keep also in mind that there is talk for a new release of Apollo 13(also by Horner) that will not just include the tracks in the promo release but the complete score of the film(meaning the recording sessions also).

dude where did you get this appolo info

Over at the Intrada forum, Roger Feigelson said in 8/17/2013 "Be patient". Also on the Intrada forum Douglass Fake commented in 10/29/2013 that asking for Apollo 13 as a companion for the released "Coccoon" is "Nothing like asking for the moon". A proper re-release of Apollo 13 eventually, with source/unused/complete score cues is not that remotely impossible. Hints that a complete Titanic is not an impossible undertaking.

that s a great news but titanic.... im sure that the tapes are underwater inside the wreckage of the actual ship...

Since the two films came out within two years a complete Apollo 13 suggests also a complete Titanic. As years pass, someone high ranking Sony official will not be seeing any potential in holding the rights and will sell them to a smaller firm like Intrada/La-La Land. Don't forget that score enthousiasts wanting a complete score represent a very small percentage of possible buyers. In that way the 2012 4-CD edition is all anyone should have. It'll only take some time and a complete score will surface.

Yeah im kinda aware of that

I haven't been following all this Titanic stuff for a while but I did find out today that Titanic was in the works through the trading network but due to some new users posting a lot of rare scores, that idea got shafted. The ones that do have it are not giving it up easily. It's not a lost cause but it's a far-off shot that we're gonna get it anytime soon so for all intents and purposes, pretend it's a lost cause. Like the lost black boxes of Air France flight 447.

?? What sensitive stuff has been posted recently? I know of at least one well passed around item that is still not here. So it does not seem those leaks are happening as often. Besides, aside from the burning the source issue, are we supposed to never post a leak again without a certain ok, in fear of something (whatever it is at the time) might NOT get leaked? Doesn't that just feel..."off" to you? That explanation is now used whenever it is convenient. I KNOW the item I was referring to cannot possibly be sensitive anymore as at least 4 different sources have spontaneously offered it to me. At this point I am stunned it has not been posted. And, these scare tactics work, because I won't post, just to avoid the shit storm. So, "they" get their way.....

**sigh** Either way, I agree Titanic is not happening anytime soon, if ever. Rumors it was "maybe" in the works are nothing without some sort of proof-ish. Look how long it took for Last Samurai. And, whatever happened to Potter 3? Last i heard that was still unobtainable, yet Scorpranos himself has just posted an item. This trading circle thing gets murkier as time goes on...

HP3 is apparently being done by LaLaLand Records so that may or may not have something to do with that. I can't say with any known certainty. However as for the Titanic thing I was told that one of the sources had it but when all those scores leaked (this was around summer of last year, maybe earlier or later), they lost their source so never got to get it. Like I said, I'm sure someone has it. It's just not Scorepranos. I've asked him personally and he was one of those few who lost their ability to get it. He simply doesn't have it so I feel that the extra pressure that some may put on him to leak it should be put to rest.

Now as for Scorepranos' source, when and if they decide to leak it would be entirely up to them. I can't say for sure whether Scorepranos would post it even if he had it but I don't see why he wouldn't considering it's in such high demand. It'd make so many people happy and it'd put all these endless Titanic threads to rest. Then would come the 50 different posts of all the different editions that fans and such have made. It'll be like wildfire across the forum. Once it hits, I'd much rather it be over personally because it's gonna excite a lot of people for days, maybe even weeks and months and like with every other popular score, it's just gonna get run into the ground. Perhaps I'm just being a bit too pessimistic haha.

No, sounds about right.

The best bet probably to get the recording sessions is to wait for a major release by music labels such as La-La Land or Intrada...Containing the four discs of the 2012 release (with or without the Popular Music from the Titanic Era) and a further disk or discs for the recording sessions structured for the score as heard in the film. It will take years at best (2017-2018 marks 20 years after the production/release) and maybe even the cooperation of James Horner and David Cameron. Keep also in mind that there is talk for a new release of Apollo 13(also by Horner) that will not just include the tracks in the promo release but the complete score of the film(meaning the recording sessions also).

The British Prime Minister is involved.....! Interesting... Very Interesting!

Like I said...**stunning** :awsm:

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Slightly off-topic, but a very interesting event in London next year. James Horner will conduct the full score to Titanic with a live orchestra as the film screens. I'd post a link, but the site appears to be down - it's going to be held at the Royal Albert Hall, though, where the Titanic 3D premiere took place.

Slightly off-topic, but a very interesting event in London next year. James Horner will conduct the full score to Titanic with a live orchestra as the film screens. I'd post a link, but the site appears to be down - it's going to be held at the Royal Albert Hall, though, where the Titanic 3D premiere took place.

So someone should split the cable to the mixer and plug a recorder in ;)

So someone should split the cable to the mixer and plug a recorder in ;)

I second that :O

Tickets are here, in case anyone wants to attend. James Horner + Titanic = I literally cannot miss it. This is also supposedly the premiere of a larger event, so it might be playing elsewhere after this event.

I'm curious as to whether Sissel will be present to do the vocals, and if Celine Dion makes a cameo at the end for My Heart Will Go On. Maybe I'm being hopelessly idealistic there. I'm also curious how they'll handle some of the more obvious crossfades in the film...but of course, I trust the maestro.


Titanic Live - Royal Albert Hall (http://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/titanic-live/default.aspx)

That people (like myself) make these various editions of these scores is an indication of how beloved the music is, because each fan who makes them wants to have the best possible experience from it, and in some cases wants to share that experience with others.

I think of myself as an amateur Intrada / La-La Land album assembler, taking the raw materials of a score like "Avatar" or "The Perfect Storm" and turning them into a cohesive album. I've often tried to mimic LLL's album style, but without the awkward and ill-timed crossfades they do. I do crossfade but LLL just does it so poorly. Listen to "Independence Day", "Jade" or "Patriot Games" from them and you'll hear what I mean.

I'd imagine "Titanic" is probably like "Avatar" in terms of the raw material type, but I could be easily wrong about that. "Apollo 13" was a complete score that was album-ready from the start with no need to do anything editorially unless you weren't fond of the rather extreme dynamic range of the music. The short 'Manual Burn' prelude (provided by Sinus in his custom) was small enough to not do any damage to the score if it weren't included but was good to have nonetheless.

For "Avatar", making all those fan edits achieved two things: A comprehensive study of the music, and a dedicated effort to restore inserts and pickups that would make several cues truly complete. Both of which proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the people who download these things from members like Scoreman, Scorepranos, Into The Storm, that now infamous kgray (who disappeared as soon as he appeared with an insane leaking spree) are not downloading these scores just to say "I have that" and collect them for the sake of collecting them, but because we truly, completely, utterly, LOVE, TREASURE, ENJOY, and APPRECIATE this music in whatever form we can.

I gave up any shred of hope for "Titanic" long ago. If it ever surfaces it'll be one hell of a pleasant surprise and a complete joy to make it into an album....though if it were album-friendly (like "Apollo 13" was) without any need it would be even better.

As an "insane" Horner nut (like tangotreats once considered me to be in the "Battle Beyond The Stars" thread for my supposed blindness and ignorance to Horner being a 'thief', plagiarist, all-around asshole no one likes personally) I've gotten to experience almost all of my most treasured Horner scores in complete form thanks to people here. Will "Titanic" be among them? Probably not...it'd be nice though.

I'd argue that "Inception" was an even more desired score than "Titanic" and it happened. The key difference is the money involved with the record label's ownership and its refusal to license it to any smaller soundtrack labels based on re-use fees and royalties. Horner himself made a lot of money on the sales of the album, something most composers don't make beyond their 'album produced by' credit on the cover. I've never once bought into the idea of it being a forbidden fruit kind of thing, where the entire internet would shut down if it leaked. I'm just betting that it's more that it's something very highly sought out, something few people have and it could be traced. Hell if I had it and leaked it, I'm fairly obscure and move around a lot. I don't think anyone from Sony Music or the two movie studios Fox and Paramount would track me down. Even the internet I use changes often.


If that concert were to ever happen locally, I'd be there. I'm betting it's only going to happen in the UK and US though. I'm in Canada where almost nothing like that happens here and I'm too Dirt McGirt Poor to afford to travel.

Forgot to mention this:

"Titanic" is not the only Horner score that was denied an expanded release.

La-La Land Records asked about releasing an expanded Titanic and were turned down, that's old news. However they also revealed months ago on the FSM board that they had plans to release an expanded score for "Sneakers" in 2012 (which was the 20th anniversary of the film's release) and Universal turned LLL down with NO reason given. They said not only were they disappointed in that decision, but Sony Music (which released the OST through its Columbia Records sidelabel) was also disappointed.

Intrada got inquiries about the early Horner score for "The Hand", but Horner himself along with the studio were against it.

Tickets are here, in case anyone wants to attend. James Horner + Titanic = I literally cannot miss it. This is also supposedly the premiere of a larger event, so it might be playing elsewhere after this event.

I'm curious as to whether Sissel will be present to do the vocals, and if Celine Dion makes a cameo at the end for My Heart Will Go On. Maybe I'm being hopelessly idealistic there. I'm also curious how they'll handle some of the more obvious crossfades in the film...but of course, I trust the maestro.

From now, I have my place for April 2015 & the Titanic Live !!! Can't wait to hear it.... ;)

Hi everyone,

I'm posting here since I'm desperatly searching a track link to the Titanic music.
Hope you will be able to help me.

I've tried all versions of the titanic complete score but I never found what I'm looking for.
I'm searching the track southampton BUT THE FILM VERSION (I'm sure a lot of you have had the same issue). The film version differs from the official ost one mostly in the begining, before the famous choir, there is another part in the film version.
All I found in the various complete score are tracks with sfx or edits. I'm searching for a clean one, hopefully coming from recording sessions.

I imagine that if it's so difficult to find it's simply because it's not available.

But just in case, if someone knows more about this...

Thanks a lot in advance for your help and infos.

Hi everyone,

I'm posting here since I'm desperatly searching a track link to the Titanic music.
Hope you will be able to help me.

I've tried all versions of the titanic complete score but I never found what I'm looking for.
I'm searching the track southampton BUT THE FILM VERSION (I'm sure a lot of you have had the same issue). The film version differs from the official ost one mostly in the begining, before the famous choir, there is another part in the film version.
All I found in the various complete score are tracks with sfx or edits. I'm searching for a clean one, hopefully coming from recording sessions.

I imagine that if it's so difficult to find it's simply because it's not available.

But just in case, if someone knows more about this...

Thanks a lot in advance for your help and infos.

It does not exist in film form. The OST is all there is, aside from rips or fan recreations. There is nothing else.

It does not exist in film form. The OST is all there is, aside from rips or fan recreations. There is nothing else.

Yes, the rip I took from that YouTube video in mono (and I added reverb to make it a light, fake stereo), and jeanbaker's combination of that YT rip, film rip and his own music software.

Believe me, it's my "holy grail" unreleased cue from TITANIC along with the film version of 'Leaving Port'.

Now please no one think by saying "fan recreation" I mean any disrespect to your monumental efforts or passion for this piece. :)

My...tone is a little off mark, these days, want to be sure you guys know that.

I will not wade in and say I love you guys.

Because I most certainly don't.

But I find I can mostly tolerate you.......*most of you**

:awsm: :awsm:

Yes, the rip I took from that YouTube video in mono (and I added reverb to make it a light, fake stereo), and jeanbaker's combination of that YT rip, film rip and his own music software.

Believe me, it's my "holy grail" unreleased cue from TITANIC along with the film version of 'Leaving Port'.

The film version of Leaving Port? Do you have that? :O

Here is my "complete" Titanic score from many different contributors. I edited and tried to fix audio quality but see how you like it. It has the film versions of all the cues that I know of.

Titanic
https://mega.co.nz/#F!hkR1TJJB!ee6A0V9tjj4PXuVMGvEmKg
https://mega.co.nz/#F!5hoRQLoB!bgw_ODIVOWQC7vjMWyXE5w

The film version of Leaving Port? Do you have that? :O

Wish I did, but nope.

Last night I completed part 1 of "Titanic: Extended Edition" using the Blu-ray, restoring all the deleted scenes to the film (and tweaking the sound mix in one sequence). I'm going to work on part 2 today. It was literally years in the making since I had done this several times before since 2005 when the collector's edition DVD came out....took me several attempts, re-edits, and total starts from scratch over a period of 6 years off and on to get it right. I'd notice a glitch here, a bad edit there, that sort of thing.

My HD version so far has come out exactly as I wanted to.

Wish I did, but nope.

Last night I completed part 1 of "Titanic: Extended Edition" using the Blu-ray, restoring all the deleted scenes to the film (and tweaking the sound mix in one sequence). I'm going to work on part 2 today. It was literally years in the making since I had done this several times before since 2005 when the collector's edition DVD came out....took me several attempts, re-edits, and total starts from scratch over a period of 6 years off and on to get it right. I'd notice a glitch here, a bad edit there, that sort of thing.

My HD version so far has come out exactly as I wanted to.

Ooh. Will you post?? :)

If I were to post it it would have to be a torrent.

My finished part 1 is an m2ts file with a size of 21.3 GB.

Im looking forward to it !

torrents are not allowed in the forum though.

torrents are not allowed in the forum though.

I didn't say I would post a link to a torrent here, but I can certainly tell people about it if there's interest.

Im interested. May I PM you for my email address and send a link?

I didn't say I would post a link to a torrent here, but I can certainly tell people about it if there's interest.

sorry.

Im interested. May I PM you for my email address and send a link?

If I decide to upload the film (which I've just completed), and that's a BIG "IF", I will share the information about it.




sorry.

Meh, come on no worries. :)

If only Sony saw this forum and many other fan edit threads to see how far people go for Horner's score. Dicks.

Wish I did, but nope.

Last night I completed part 1 of "Titanic: Extended Edition" using the Blu-ray, restoring all the deleted scenes to the film (and tweaking the sound mix in one sequence). I'm going to work on part 2 today. It was literally years in the making since I had done this several times before since 2005 when the collector's edition DVD came out....took me several attempts, re-edits, and total starts from scratch over a period of 6 years off and on to get it right. I'd notice a glitch here, a bad edit there, that sort of thing.

My HD version so far has come out exactly as I wanted to.

Oh I attempted that too, but only with the sound. I'm not skilled enough to do it with the video. But even with the sound I admit some bits were tricky. Some scenes you had to make a guess as to where they would fit properly.
Looking forward to see your result.

Oh I attempted that too, but only with the sound. I'm not skilled enough to do it with the video. But even with the sound I admit some bits were tricky. Some scenes you had to make a guess as to where they would fit properly.
Looking forward to see your result.

Most of the deleted scenes were bookended with scenes from the final film to lead-in and lead-out of the deleted parts, which made it easy. Only one or two instances (in the second half of the film) it became necessary to keep track of continuity because some of the re-assembled deleted scenes were slightly out of order with the final film. The hardest part wasn't putting the scenes back, it was actually having to crossfade certain parts which couldn't be just a simple hard cut from one to another like the majority of the scenes. I had to use hard cuts for much of the audio for the crossfaded scenes, but it wasn't as distracting as I thought it would be.

The reason it took me so many tries in the past when I used the DVD, was because the video editor programs I tried often caused glitches like repeated frames in between cut shots and audio synchronization problems. I'd fix one error only to discover another, or fix one which caused another. For this HD version I did it just the once and it came out exactly as I wanted, no errors at all the first and only time.

For the sound mix, I was originally going to use lossless and upconvert the deleted scene audio to DTS-HD to match the film, but I found the quality of the audio was just fine, and opted for a Dolby mix at a maximum bitrate of 640kbps to match the deleted scene audio. The other reason for this was space, as a DTS-HD track would've been far too big for burning the film to single-layer BD-R. Since I converted the film's audio from the DTS-HD track, the quality was great all around. I made some changes musically to the levels of the 'Southampton' , 'leaving port' and 'Ode to Titanic' sequences, boosting the sound of the synthesized chorus for the front and rear channels, and used the end credit edit of the film and replaced parts of the audio for the 'Ode' sequence, so sound effects and dialogue are in the center, but music only fills the front and rear stereo / surround channels for only that sequence that uses the music in the end credit edit (after the song). It's a preferential thing and I was happy with the result, since the sound effects are just loud bursts of water for most of it, still dominating the mix through the center channel anyway.

The other change I made to the sound mix was the end credits: "My Heart Will Go On" does not play at all. I opted for different music instead, which I upmixed to 5.1 since I used an edit of the "Titanic Suite" from the 'Back To Titanic' album. When I first made it I was going to use either "Hymn to the Sea" or "An Ocean of Memories" in 5.1 (from the DTS-CD at the time) but I found the Suite a better choice because it was a straight recap of themes and made for an excellent end credit piece.

I don't know if I will post it simply because of its size: roughly 40 GB total because each half of the film is around 20 GB in size. I've never uploaded anything of that size at all, since it's a continuous thing and I don't even know how to upload a torrent anyway. A MEGA method might work, if I split the film into many, many, many many (and many more) chunks, I guess. Might make it easier, I don't know.

Most of the deleted scenes were bookended with scenes from the final film to lead-in and lead-out of the deleted parts, which made it easy. Only one or two instances (in the second half of the film) it became necessary to keep track of continuity because some of the re-assembled deleted scenes were slightly out of order with the final film. The hardest part wasn't putting the scenes back, it was actually having to crossfade certain parts which couldn't be just a simple hard cut from one to another like the majority of the scenes. I had to use hard cuts for much of the audio for the crossfaded scenes, but it wasn't as distracting as I thought it would be.

The reason it took me so many tries in the past when I used the DVD, was because the video editor programs I tried often caused glitches like repeated frames in between cut shots and audio synchronization problems. I'd fix one error only to discover another, or fix one which caused another. For this HD version I did it just the once and it came out exactly as I wanted, no errors at all the first and only time.

For the sound mix, I was originally going to use lossless and upconvert the deleted scene audio to DTS-HD to match the film, but I found the quality of the audio was just fine, and opted for a Dolby mix at a maximum bitrate of 640kbps to match the deleted scene audio. The other reason for this was space, as a DTS-HD track would've been far too big for burning the film to single-layer BD-R. Since I converted the film's audio from the DTS-HD track, the quality was great all around. I made some changes musically to the levels of the 'Southampton' , 'leaving port' and 'Ode to Titanic' sequences, boosting the sound of the synthesized chorus for the front and rear channels, and used the end credit edit of the film and replaced parts of the audio for the 'Ode' sequence, so sound effects and dialogue are in the center, but music only fills the front and rear stereo / surround channels for only that sequence that uses the music in the end credit edit (after the song). It's a preferential thing and I was happy with the result, since the sound effects are just loud bursts of water for most of it, still dominating the mix through the center channel anyway.

The other change I made to the sound mix was the end credits: "My Heart Will Go On" does not play at all. I opted for different music instead, which I upmixed to 5.1 since I used an edit of the "Titanic Suite" from the 'Back To Titanic' album. When I first made it I was going to use either "Hymn to the Sea" or "An Ocean of Memories" in 5.1 (from the DTS-CD at the time) but I found the Suite a better choice because it was a straight recap of themes and made for an excellent end credit piece.

I don't know if I will post it simply because of its size: roughly 40 GB total because each half of the film is around 20 GB in size. I've never uploaded anything of that size at all, since it's a continuous thing and I don't even know how to upload a torrent anyway. A MEGA method might work, if I split the film into many, many, many many (and many more) chunks, I guess. Might make it easier, I don't know.

Best way would be converting the raw .M2TS file to a 4-6 GB MP4 or MKV file. That's the best option you can get quality/size for watching it on PC or TV.
I myself, sometimes, convert some Blu-Ray's to watch on my iPad when i'm out overseas for work, and they look Amazing. Though, they usually are of 1.4/2GB each file.
By the way, there was already an "Extended Edition" called The White Star Line, which floated on the net for some time, 2 years ago, and which consisted of 3 DVD's. Two with the original movie and deleted scenes integrated, and one with the alternate ending. I was lucky enough to get ahold of it, and it was Amazing seeing the movie with the deleted scenes integrated. Made the movie more enjoyable.
I wonder why for this Blu-Ray release they didn't made a disc for the movie with all deleted scenes integrated. It could had been a very beautiful package: 2 Blu's for 3D version, 1 for the original 2D version, and another 1 for the movie with all deleted scenes integrated, and a bonus disc for extras. Also, it would had been great to have more audio options as well. Like what they did for the 2005 Special Collector's Edition, which had two 6.1 surround mixes.
They could had transcode the SDDS 8-channel mix, and deliver it as a DTS-HD 7.1. I still remember that mix.....very enveloping, during the first half of the movie, and very punchy during the sinking. Awesome mix

Best way would be converting the raw .M2TS file to a 4-6 GB MP4 or MKV file. That's the best option you can get quality/size for watching it on PC or TV.
I myself, sometimes, convert some Blu-Ray's to watch on my iPad when i'm out overseas for work, and they look Amazing. Though, they usually are of 1.4/2GB each file.
By the way, there was already an "Extended Edition" called The White Star Line, which floated on the net for some time, 2 years ago, and which consisted of 3 DVD's. Two with the original movie and deleted scenes integrated, and one with the alternate ending. I was lucky enough to get ahold of it, and it was Amazing seeing the movie with the deleted scenes integrated. Made the movie more enjoyable.
I wonder why for this Blu-Ray release they didn't made a disc for the movie with all deleted scenes integrated. It could had been a very beautiful package: 2 Blu's for 3D version, 1 for the original 2D version, and another 1 for the movie with all deleted scenes integrated, and a bonus disc for extras. Also, it would had been great to have more audio options as well. Like what they did for the 2005 Special Collector's Edition, which had two 6.1 surround mixes.
They could had transcode the SDDS 8-channel mix, and deliver it as a DTS-HD 7.1. I still remember that mix.....very enveloping, during the first half of the movie, and very punchy during the sinking. Awesome mix

That "White Star" edition was also a fan edit, yes. I never bothered with it because I had already made my own.

I've had mixed results compressing Blu-rays to smaller files, but it's something I'd consider.

That "White Star" edition was also a fan edit, yes. I never bothered with it because I had already made my own.

I've had mixed results compressing Blu-rays to smaller files, but it's something I'd consider.

Handbrake works great for me, but there also many other good encoders out there.
If I have to edit a video project, I usually use Sony Vegas, output as a "Sony AVCHD" file, then import the file on MKVMerge. And from there, I convert it with Handbrake, shrinking the output file size.
Btw, what version did you used for this project?? The 3D open-matte version, or the standard 2D?? I find that the open-matte 3D Blu-Ray has more video bitrate, even when watching it in 2D via PowerDVD, and when I made an iPad version from it, even if it roughly was 2-3 GB, it looked great. Same with the Bond 50 Blu-Ray collection.
My opinion is that the more bitrate has a Blu-Ray disc, the more likely the conversion will be of great quality.

I've used Handbrake to convert all my TV DVDs but I haven't had many decent results with anything in HD.

I've tried Sony Vegas but for editing I find it overly complicated so I don't bother with it anymore.

In the end I made two versions of the "extended edition": When I was finished with the entire film, I went back and re-edited it using the 3D open matte version, creating a hybrid like "The Dark Knight" and "The Dark Knight Rises" shifting aspect ratio presentations. At first I thought it was going to be as easy as cherry-picking certain sequences and dropping in the open-matte scenes, but not so. Their runtimes were slightly different so every time I did that, I found gaps in between frames and had to do minor trims for every scene, with both video and audio to make everything sync. It was kind of a nightmare.

Okay, I managed to compress the straight 2.35:1 version down to 720p (1280x544 cropped black bars) and the size is around 8 GB. Looking at it on the computer it looks good. It's not in two parts, just one - 3 hours, 48 minutes long. The audio is AAC 5.1 which was converted along with the video.

JHFan, I used my Blu-ray copy to put the scenes back in aswell for myself. I was able to rip the DTS-MA into seperate wav files and then from rendering my copy, I re-encoded the DTS-MA 5.1 mix. Overall my 1080p copy is about 15gb if memory serves me correct at 1080p. I also mixed a new DTS 6.1 track as well from a WAV export in vegas. I stuck with the original ending for mine. My sources I used was a direct rip on the bluray using DVDFab on windows, a copy of the 5.1 DTS-MA to 5.1 wav.

I was originally going to convert the deleted scenes audio to DTS-HD to match the film, but because I wanted to keep the editing process as simple as I could, I realized using a lossless mix wouldn't work because I would've had to do the audio separately and syncing everything would've been problematic for me. Instead I opted to downconvert the DTS-HD mix of the film to match the 640kbps Dolby Digital the deleted scenes had, but when I was working with any adjustments I was making to the sound mix (such as making audio transitions from film to deleted scene and back), I worked in lossless from DTS-HD to WAV first, then the final mix was finished in Dolby Digital. In the end it's not like I'm going to 'hear' the compression of my mix compared to the DTS-HD, I've tested it and it sounds fantastic. A DTS-HD track converted to Dolby Digital using freeware retains all of the range unlike professional Dolby encoders or mixes which are full of dialnorm.

I have a 7.1 AV receiver and don't have room for a 6.1 setup, so changing the mix would not of made a difference for my listening. I've always had my 5.1 rears plugged into the 7.1 surround back ports because certain Blu-rays in 7.1 direct more of their rear audio to the surround back channels and not the 5.1.

My new 7.78 GB copy of the film is just for uploading in case anyone wants to see it, so I'll split it up as a zip and put it on MEGA or something.

My first cut, I have some issues going on, just a few cover lapping frames which you can see, but I am going to fix that. I hope actually to run the deleted scenes though Da Vinci Resolve. The way I really streamlined my editing was that I grouped the audio to the corresponding videos and from there, I made the cuts where needed and from there it was easier to deal with the audio when it came to editing. It was just really where to go for the editing and where to cut to the deleted scenes. It was easier the way I did it, but mine needs to be redone in spots. I hope to get mine done again.

I have a full on 7.1 system set up and really 6.1 is just the back channels with cross bleed on into the center channel as one for Back Center, even though the DTS Encoder can do 5.1 as 6.1.

2D Final Cut Color Timing

2D Deleted Scene Color Timing


For those curious, here is the difference between the 2D and 3D copies.


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I don't know why you guys want the Recording Sessions so bad when this beautiful piece is available :)
My Heart Will Go On - Recorder By Candlelight by Matt Mulholland - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2WH8mHJnhM)

LOOL
Is he trying to call the titanic itself?
that's just cheesy

I was originally going to convert the deleted scenes audio to DTS-HD to match the film, but because I wanted to keep the editing process as simple as I could, I realized using a lossless mix wouldn't work because I would've had to do the audio separately and syncing everything would've been problematic for me. Instead I opted to downconvert the DTS-HD mix of the film to match the 640kbps Dolby Digital the deleted scenes had, but when I was working with any adjustments I was making to the sound mix (such as making audio transitions from film to deleted scene and back), I worked in lossless from DTS-HD to WAV first, then the final mix was finished in Dolby Digital. In the end it's not like I'm going to 'hear' the compression of my mix compared to the DTS-HD, I've tested it and it sounds fantastic. A DTS-HD track converted to Dolby Digital using freeware retains all of the range unlike professional Dolby encoders or mixes which are full of dialnorm.

I have a 7.1 AV receiver and don't have room for a 6.1 setup, so changing the mix would not of made a difference for my listening. I've always had my 5.1 rears plugged into the 7.1 surround back ports because certain Blu-rays in 7.1 direct more of their rear audio to the surround back channels and not the 5.1.

My new 7.78 GB copy of the film is just for uploading in case anyone wants to see it, so I'll split it up as a zip and put it on MEGA or something.

Indeed DTS-HD and Dolby are just delivery formats. Always better to work in PCM, make the necessary audio adjustments there, and then convert to AC3 or DTS.
How many days it took you to do it all?? Did it came out well when converting it??
I'm too eager to make something like this with my Blu-Ray. Though I need to find my DVD copy of the White Star Extended Edition first, and then run a timeline with 2 videos, to see which frame/scene correspond to which.
That way would be much easier to work with, hopefully.

I was originally going to convert the deleted scenes audio to DTS-HD to match the film, but because I wanted to keep the editing process as simple as I could, I realized using a lossless mix wouldn't work because I would've had to do the audio separately and syncing everything would've been problematic for me. Instead I opted to downconvert the DTS-HD mix of the film to match the 640kbps Dolby Digital the deleted scenes had, but when I was working with any adjustments I was making to the sound mix (such as making audio transitions from film to deleted scene and back), I worked in lossless from DTS-HD to WAV first, then the final mix was finished in Dolby Digital. In the end it's not like I'm going to 'hear' the compression of my mix compared to the DTS-HD, I've tested it and it sounds fantastic. A DTS-HD track converted to Dolby Digital using freeware retains all of the range unlike professional Dolby encoders or mixes which are full of dialnorm.

I have a 7.1 AV receiver and don't have room for a 6.1 setup, so changing the mix would not of made a difference for my listening. I've always had my 5.1 rears plugged into the 7.1 surround back ports because certain Blu-rays in 7.1 direct more of their rear audio to the surround back channels and not the 5.1.

My new 7.78 GB copy of the film is just for uploading in case anyone wants to see it, so I'll split it up as a zip and put it on MEGA or something.


Indeed DTS-HD and Dolby are just delivery formats. Always better to work in PCM, make the necessary audio adjustments there, and then convert to AC3 or DTS.
How many days it took you to do it all?? Did it came out well when converting it??
I'm too eager to make something like this with my Blu-Ray. Though I need to find my DVD copy of the White Star Extended Edition first, and then run a timeline with 2 videos, to see which frame/scene correspond to which.
That way would be much easier to work with, hopefully.

This is gonna be a very fantastic work.
I've been following this thread for so long now, and I enjoyed every single work you guys put out here, from music work to this one.
Is there a possibility for anyone who has done this editing work, to share it with the community??

I'm splitting it up using 7Zip and will upload it to MEGA.

I'm splitting it up using 7Zip and will upload it to MEGA.

Awesome!

Thanks very much!

First part out of four is uploaded, 1.95 GB each. It's going to be one of those 7Zip multi-part 001, 002, 003, 004 files that require all to be downloaded so it will extract.

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Indeed DTS-HD and Dolby are just delivery formats. Always better to work in PCM, make the necessary audio adjustments there, and then convert to AC3 or DTS.
How many days it took you to do it all?? Did it came out well when converting it??
I'm too eager to make something like this with my Blu-Ray. Though I need to find my DVD copy of the White Star Extended Edition first, and then run a timeline with 2 videos, to see which frame/scene correspond to which.
That way would be much easier to work with, hopefully.

I have heard of the "White Star Extended Edition" and even used the cover art for it when making one of my adjusted edits and printed art for a DVD case, but never actually saw it because I made my own before that one appeared online on the fanedit sites.

It took me about three days total, but I went over it a couple of times to make sure. The audio is what took longest because I was making separate audio segments for the transitions I had which wouldn't work as hard cuts. It was necessary to do that to avoid quality loss.

The program I used accepts Dolby 5.1 audio which can be cut without any re-encoding. If I used DTS or any other format the film would've taken a ridiculous amount of time because I required the audio to be synchronized as I went along, and doing a few A/B comparisons I found NO issues whatsoever with making Dolby 5.1 (at 640 kbps) my primary audio track.

I used the DTS-HD as a basis for my Dolby track, converted to PCM for editing my transitional segments when I had to blend them with the deleted scene audio which was Dolby Digital converted to PCM. That all allowed me to drop in the audio without re-encoding anything beyond my initial conversion from DTS / Dolby transition segments to PCM and back to Dolby 640 kbps, and my DTS-HD-to-Dolby 640 track for the remainder of the film.

My end credit music was originally a WAV file, then I created a 5.1 track out of it, converted to Dolby 640.

I changed the audio mix for one scene, mainly because I wanted it to showcase the music more than the sound of waves breaking. I took out most of the sound effects to do it, and it was a personal preference.

First part out of four is uploaded, 1.95 GB each. It's going to be one of those 7Zip multi-part 001, 002, 003, 004 files that require all to be downloaded so it will extract.

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I have heard of the "White Star Extended Edition" and even used the cover art for it when making one of my adjusted edits and printed art for a DVD case, but never actually saw it because I made my own before that one appeared online on the fanedit sites.

It took me about three days total, but I went over it a couple of times to make sure. The audio is what took longest because I was making separate audio segments for the transitions I had which wouldn't work as hard cuts. It was necessary to do that to avoid quality loss.

The program I used accepts Dolby 5.1 audio which can be cut without any re-encoding. If I used DTS or any other format the film would've taken a ridiculous amount of time because I required the audio to be synchronized as I went along, and doing a few A/B comparisons I found NO issues whatsoever with making Dolby 5.1 (at 640 kbps) my primary audio track.

I used the DTS-HD as a basis for my Dolby track, converted to PCM for editing my transitional segments when I had to blend them with the deleted scene audio which was Dolby Digital converted to PCM. That all allowed me to drop in the audio without re-encoding anything beyond my initial conversion from DTS / Dolby transition segments to PCM and back to Dolby 640 kbps, and my DTS-HD-to-Dolby 640 track for the remainder of the film.

My end credit music was originally a WAV file, then I created a 5.1 track out of it, converted to Dolby 640.

I changed the audio mix for one scene, mainly because I wanted it to showcase the music more than the sound of waves breaking. I took out most of the sound effects to do it, and it was a personal preference.

That was indeed a very tough job.
I too faced some complications when I was making my own Extended version of "HANNIBAL" 3 years ago, as that film contains many fast-action scenes, right from the beginning. In fact, it took me almost a month to combine both the audio and the video of the different deleted scenes to that of the original ones. Quite a stressful task at the time, considering I was also editing it on a laptop, and not on a big screen/faster computer. But it turned out great anyway.
Now i'm looking forward to make my own BD of Titanic with the incorporated deleted scenes, and make some changes here and there too. But I will be watching your version, as I already enjoyed your own take on the DTS 5.1 Soundtrack, which was fantastic.
Btw, I'm curious as to what music you used for that particular scene you described, and also for the end credits. I read that you used the "Titanic Suite" by Horner for the end credits. How it turned out to be??

That was indeed a very tough job.
I too faced some complications when I was making my own Extended version of "HANNIBAL" 3 years ago, as that film contains many fast-action scenes, right from the beginning. In fact, it took me almost a month to combine both the audio and the video of the different deleted scenes to that of the original ones. Quite a stressful task at the time, considering I was also editing it on a laptop, and not on a big screen/faster computer. But it turned out great anyway.
Now i'm looking forward to make my own BD of Titanic with the incorporated deleted scenes, and make some changes here and there too. But I will be watching your version, as I already enjoyed your own take on the DTS 5.1 Soundtrack, which was fantastic.
Btw, I'm curious as to what music you used for that particular scene you described, and also for the end credits. I read that you used the "Titanic Suite" by Horner for the end credits. How it turned out to be??

My computer is a laptop, but it's one of those "desktop replacement" types that can handle tougher jobs.

I didn't change any scenes around or remove any scenes to my preference, just some audio mix changes....it wasn't like the thousands of "Star Wars" fan edits out there where people completely customize the movie by changing every single scene and shuffle things around. It's just "TITANIC" as complete as it can be with all deleted scenes and alternate ending restore to the film.

As for the audio changes such as the one sequence and the end credits, you'll have to watch the film to find out. ;)

Part three of the 7Zip split file is uploading as I type this.

I would create a thread for it separately, but since it's not a music download or an anime download, I can't really think of anywhere here to place it aside from this thread:




Original theatrical cut runtime: 3 hours, 14 minutes.

My Extended cut runtime: 3 hours, 48 minutes.

Includes all deleted scenes and (questionable) alternate ending re-integrated in the final film.

Audio track has minor level adjustments for one sequence, a full remix in another to highlight the music, and the end credit song "My Heart Will Go On" has been replaced.

File format: mp4 720p downscaled from source 1080p (downscaled for uploading at a reasonable size), black borders cropped.

Cropped video resolution: 1280x544, 4.3Mbps

Audio format: AAC 5.1 surround, 48kHz, 576Kbps

Total file size: 7.78 GB

Do NOT send me any PMs for the link, just make the request for the links here.

I've already sent the links to the following people:

gringrinnyghost
jedisaurus
leo54
lim2403
theodred27
paulluss22
Recording
jztzt
Mr Gold
JackxAngelica
Condi
anakinbetrayal
xasvi
defeater

Dear JHfan, i would love to get a link for your edit..... Thanks in advance :)

Hey, JHFan can you send me your edition please, I would love it to get the links ��

man... i want so much a (real) complete score :(
it's so sad... :/

We all do. I keep holding out hope, even if it's slim. I may be 70 when it happens, but I have the feeling one day it will find its way to the surface.

Hi JHFan, I am very interested in your edit. Thanks in advance.

Hi
Jh i would be honored to recive a link titanic is one of my fav films and i would love a complete score.
Mr gold

Hey JHfan, i would love to get a link for your edit too :)

Hi!

Could I please have the link? thanks!



I would create a thread for it separately, but since it's not a music download or an anime download, I can't really think of anywhere here to place it aside from this thread:




Original theatrical cut runtime: 3 hours, 14 minutes.

My Extended cut runtime: 3 hours, 48 minutes.

Includes all deleted scenes and (questionable) alternate ending re-integrated in the final film.

Audio track has minor level adjustments for one sequence, a full remix in another to highlight the music, and the end credit song "My Heart Will Go On" has been replaced.

File format: mp4 720p downscaled from source 1080p (downscaled for uploading at a reasonable size), black borders cropped.

Cropped video resolution: 1280x544, 4.3Mbps

Audio format: AAC 5.1 surround, 48kHz, 576Kbps

Total file size: 7.78 GB

Do NOT send me any PMs for the link, just make the request for the links here.

I've already sent the links to the following people:

gringrinnyghost
jedisaurus
leo54
lim2403
theodred27
paulluss22
Recording
jztzt

Wouldn't it be great to listen to the RS and perhaps unused cues?

At this point? No. Not even a little. :b

Wouldn't it be great to listen to the RS and perhaps unused cues?


That's the dream of pretty much everyone on this thread...or at least me. All the past drama aside, it's still a beautiful score. Arguably not Horner's best work, but almost certainly his most iconic.

what is this? :D
Titanic Complete Score Petition (http://titanicscore.com/)

Is the real Titanic recording session are 9CD? How about the 3CD one? Is it FAKE?

The 3CD is indeed fake. It's a fan rip, I believe. And the general rumor is that the sessions are 9CDs.

The 3CD is indeed fake. It's a fan rip, I believe. And the general rumor is that the sessions are 9CDs.

9 CDs? There's only about an hour and 40 minutes of score in the film (including the credits, repeated cues, and "Nearer, My God, To Thee", not including all the other music by the ship's band). There must be a lot of alternate cues and arrangements and unused music if that rumour is true.

I've heard of the 9 CD rumor, but I also remember seeing 7 or more DAT tapes. That'd be a total of ~14 hours of recorded music based on a 120-minute recording capacity.

I wouldn't be surprised, though. The initial cut shown to Horner was 36 hours long, and it took him three days to watch it. If you think of all the initial/unused themes, alternate takes, etc., you're bound to end up with a sizable amount of material, especially for a film of this length and scope.

JHFan can you send me the link to your complete film edit?

Not original Titanic music, per se, but some music that was left in the final cut of the film that may be of interest:

This is when Rose is in the water - "there's a boat, Jack" - just before Jack's death music plays. The part used in the film is ~1:25 - 1:45. If I remember correctly this was originally used as a temp track but it was kept in the final cut. In the film, this is mixed in with a little bit of help from Horner, but the eerie choir is still prominent.

Michael Stearns - Encounter
The Beacon: Those Who Have Gone Before
Download (https://mega.co.nz/#!U41yWbyB!uxTUOPtw2GKYVaBjYsQJS9jnKJXNdsPLWsWXc8a fCqQ)

Source:
http://www.michaelstearns.com/past_bio.html

That sounds similar to some of the music from the opening scene at the wreck..

JHfan, could you please provide me with the links? :) I�m addicted to fan-made extended movie cuts! I really would like to see and honor your work :)

There are a total of 7 DAT Tapes that continue all of James Horner music for Titanic! The one person that had all 7 has been permanently banned! and since he/she was not treated very well, these copies well not see the light of day ever. Sony will never release all of these! they cannot make enough to justify the cost of producing the CD's. I know this well upset a lot of people, it is just plan economics.

Scott

I think that a complete or expanded score is more likely than not, although a leak is less likely. Also, a release may not happen soon - but that doesn't necessarily mean never.

A) It's Sony who needs to license the score, not necessarily release it. All record companies I've talked to have expressed interest in doing an expanded release, particularly for the 2012 re-release. While Sony is unwilling to license the score at the moment (at last check in 2013), they are still licensing scores out. LLR just announced an expanded version of The Passion of the Christ. Titanic was a much bigger money-earner than that, so it seems like Titanic may eventually get the deluxe treatment.

B) I find it difficult to believe that only one person had/has the recording sessions. From what I've heard, based on rumors and conversations, several people have (or had) them, and they were shared between those users (though I will not name names). Even before that, there were rumors of a complete score floating around amongst high-level collectors and even on eBay right after the movie's release. I cannot speak to the veracity of this claim but given a high-profile blockbuster like Titanic I think it's plausible.

I think the only place an expanded score won't appear - at least not in the foreseeable future - is this particular forum. Titanic is "risky" to share and it will remain so due to the drama which has gone on about it - ironically, the drama was caused *because* it is such a desired score - as well as the demand. Of course, I speak as an eternal optimist - and I'm arguably biased based on my love of the ship/movie/score/Horner. In the meantime, I run my little petition and hope that one day I'll be able to hear the film versions of these songs. I figure if enough interest is generated, a limited release can be accomplished.

I've not only signed the petition but I've also been following the facebook page.

I've asked a couple of questions but never got an answer, such as is it possible to see some of the sheet music with handwritten messages / notes in a higher resolution.

Also I recall something was being worked on involving some sort of 3D project.

I'm fully aware of two people who claim to have the sessions. One I never believed (who is likely the person banned) and the other I wholeheartedly believe.

JHFan, can I have the link to your complete film edit?

I have it

I have it

I'm sure you do...

I have it

I have Judgement Day. Top that.

I have Judgement Day. Top that.

I can top that! I've got Batman V Superman!

I can top that! I've got Batman V Superman!

Doesn't even compare. Nothing can hold a candle to T2 :p

I've got Interstellar recording sessions.

You haven't gotten anything with MoS. Lol.

JHFan, may I have a link to your Complete Movie edit please? Thanks in advance

T2 Would be awesome. I have the various compilation edits of both t2 and titanic. From JHfan, youtube, and other rips. Those that I remember. Its pretty complete, 4 discs.

I've got Interstellar recording sessions.

You haven't gotten anything with MoS. Lol.

LOL

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are we done mesuring dicks? can we go back to the titanic original discussion?

No we can't because that's clearly not what this thread is for -_-

Back on topic: I've signed the petition. What else is there to do? Happy?

well you can, hack sony servers, buy the sessions, or harass them on their facebook page.

Its official, smalldick had described him self not only as a time waster but!!!!! He is what he says he is!

Is there anything constructive still going on here? :P

well you can, hack sony servers, buy the sessions, or harass them on their facebook page.
I doubt they have the music on their servers. And I'd love to buy the sessions, but Sony doesn't seem to be interested in my money. So I'll stick to the third suggestion, then.

The goal with the petition isn't just to raise awareness, but also prove to Sony that there's a marketable demand for this score out there. I sent the first thousand signatures to Sony, but that's just a drop in the bucket. 5,000 (the current goal) is a bit closer. Each name shows Sony that interest is real and that they could pretty quickly recoup licensing costs and make some profit by handing the score to a specialty label, which I think is the most logical thing to do at this point.

This and other TITANIC threads have been through the proverbial ringer and then some....and I completely, utterly, totally gave up all traces of hope of ever hearing this score in complete form long ago. I LOVE the complete score petition site (it's so beautifully designed and cool to navigate) and I'll support any efforts (of course I signed it a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....) but personally there is no hope left in me otherwise.

xasvi and anakinbetrayal have PMs.

No, that does not mean they have PMS. Get yer minds out of the gutter. Jeez...

Stop whining!

I have an idea:

I'll camp in front of the Sony building headsquarters, and tell them that I will burn myself if they don't give me all the Titanic music.

And in case they won't comply, then I'll burn myself.

what is this? :D
Titanic Complete Score Petition (http://titanicscore.com/)

Thanks, signed and shared on Fbook!

the best version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgktKAo7Myg

Sigh, that is so much nicer than the cumbersome, overstuffed album version. The film version is much simpler and cleaner and more elegant.

Sigh, that is so much nicer than the cumbersome, overstuffed album version. The film version is much simpler and cleaner and more elegant.

The biggest difference between the two is the lack of synth choir in the film version which is indeed better than the album, mainly because the choir drowns out the lovely harp and piano lines.

my bad i read the post u said after i send the pm my apologies........... JHfan may i have the link please

Stop whining!

I have an idea:

I'll camp in front of the Sony building headsquarters, and tell them that I will burn myself if they don't give me all the Titanic music.

And in case they won't comply, then I'll burn myself.

You can burn yourself anyway, regardless if they give you shit :awsm:

Forgive what might be a stupid question, but something I've thought of in the past: was a FYC promo ever released for Titanic, or did the album release serve as their entry? It might be a moot point now, but I'm curious.

So who was at the premiere last night? What did you think of it?

Forgive what might be a stupid question, but something I've thought of in the past: was a FYC promo ever released for Titanic, or did the album release serve as their entry? It might be a moot point now, but I'm curious.

I've never seen nor heard of one. Doesn't mean there isn't one, but it's unlikely.


So who was at the premiere last night? What did you think of it?

What premiere? What did I miss out on?

There was a premiere for Titanic Live last night at the Royal Albert Hall. This kicks off a European tour where the film will go around with the music played by a live orchestra. See here for more:


http://www.titanic-live.com

I was there last night, it was incredible. Even James Cameron stopped by to wave at the end. The souvenir booklet contains some cue titles that I'll be researching further. The film they screened was a special cut with the music removed and the orchestra would play the music live in sync to the movie. They used the film versions of cues (like Southampton) but it was all re-orchestrated from the original manuscripts and transcribed digitally (so if you know some insiders, this may be something to look into). There were also a few additional bits of music to serve as segues into and out of the intermission ("I believe you may get your headlines, Mr. Ismay"). Sissel provided the vocals and looked/sounded gorgeous, and sang My Heart Will Go On at the end.

I can't recommend it enough. If you have the resources and time, I strongly suggest you go. It's gorgeous and a celebration of the film and Horner's magnificent contribution. I was really touched when during the Q&A, Horner was asked how he felt about Titanic Live. He said he emotionally detaches from scores after writing them, so this was the first time he was "revisiting an old friend". I liked his modesty and humility, and he totally deserved the standing ovation he received at the end, as did all the musicians and people who put this together.

Ok, so kinda like Interstellar

I was happy as well that they played all the score we ve been missing for so long. The celtic cues were well performed and the final cue was the best imo

There was a premiere for Titanic Live last night at the Royal Albert Hall. This kicks off a European tour where the film will go around with the music played by a live orchestra. See here for more:


http://www.titanic-live.com

I was there last night, it was incredible. Even James Cameron stopped by to wave at the end. The souvenir booklet contains some cue titles that I'll be researching further. The film they screened was a special cut with the music removed and the orchestra would play the music live in sync to the movie. They used the film versions of cues (like Southampton) but it was all re-orchestrated from the original manuscripts and transcribed digitally (so if you know some insiders, this may be something to look into). There were also a few additional bits of music to serve as segues into and out of the intermission ("I believe you may get your headlines, Mr. Ismay"). Sissel provided the vocals and looked/sounded gorgeous, and sang My Heart Will Go On at the end.

I can't recommend it enough. If you have the resources and time, I strongly suggest you go. It's gorgeous and a celebration of the film and Horner's magnificent contribution. I was really touched when during the Q&A, Horner was asked how he felt about Titanic Live. He said he emotionally detaches from scores after writing them, so this was the first time he was "revisiting an old friend". I liked his modesty and humility, and he totally deserved the standing ovation he received at the end, as did all the musicians and people who put this together.

I'm attending next June. I had reservations because it's the first time I'm going to experience something like that but you seemed very pleased about it so I guess I can get my hopes up.

Ok, so kinda like Interstellar

This has gone on before Interstellar. It happened with E.T. years ago, it's happened with Star Trek 2009, and Titanic did not actually premiere at Royal Albert Hall, but rather in Lucerne, Switzerland back on March 13. It's basically going on tour, but I'll certainly not be able to see it.

I doubt they have the music on their servers. And I'd love to buy the sessions, but Sony doesn't seem to be interested in my money. So I'll stick to the third suggestion, then.

They don't. The list of hacked files only had the CD release.

From the Titanic Live souvenir booklet, an interview with J.A.C. Redford (the orchestrator):


What challenges did you face when preparing Titanic LIVE for performance?

The original scores were in manuscript form, so the first step that had to be undertaken was to enter everything that James [Horner] had composed into the computer. All of those new computer scores had to be proofread and compared with the sequences that were actually recorded. This was a huge task because the underscore in the film totals nearly two hours of music. I had to assemble and manage a team to accomplish the task. Once we had the scores in a medium where we could edit them, we had to listen to the music as it was finally used in the film, and note how it differed from the written and recorded scores. There were many differences because James Cameron, with the director's prerogative, had moved sequences around and combined bits and pieces from different sequences to achieve his own vision for the film. My team had to follow that trail. It was like being a detective working on a case. I think James's vision for the score was realised, but there were a lot of adjustments that had to be made along the way in order to bring the original scores into conformity with the music as it's ultimately heard in the soundtrack. After all of this work, individual parts for the instruments of the orchestra had to be extracted, and a special copy of the film and scores prepared for the conductor, but another department handled those tasks.

If those score files ended up being "released" like Avatar, I would be a very, very happy person.

Oh, that would be fantastic! Finally, a small glimmer of hope! ^^

Im thinking about contacting this orchestrator in order to get something.

Cool

Im thinking about contacting this orchestrator in order to get something.

Let us know if you have any luck!

I will but usually composers dont reply to peasants like me lol
the reply is negative, the orchestrator doesnt own the rights.

Titanic Live was wonderful to hear. The closest we can get to the actual recording sessions. It's really interesting to hear what cues James Horner had actually planned and ended up unreleased in the final cut of the movie. Nothing much but there were some cues which had a proper ending which we didn't get to hear in the movie and some "quiet" scenes in the movie that were actually originally intended to be accompanied by music.
Interesting also to hear that some versions of cues we know like Take Her To See Mr Murdoch or Unable To Stay Unwilling To Leave and the Finale were indeed originally intended as different from what was heard in the movie and sound much more like the original CD version for the two latter with that Celtic feel much more prominent and include those triumphant trumpets for the former that we can hear in one floating-around alternate.

The Cue Titles from the TITANIC-LIVE Event:

01 - 2 � Miles Down
02 - To the Keldysh
03 - Rose Revealed
04 - Distant Memories
05 - My Drawing
06 - Vanity Hand Mirror
07 - Southampton
08 - A Lucky Hand
09 - Leaving Port
10 - Take Her to Sea, Mr. Murdoch!
11 - First Sighting
12 - Rose's Suicide
13 - Jack Saves Rose
14 - Gift of A Necklace
15 - Promenade
16 - Dining Room Sequence
17 - The Blarney Pilgrim
18 - John Ryan's Polka
19 - Kesh Jig
20 - Drowsy Maggie
21 - Vision of Salome
22 - Rose
23 - Butterfly Comb
24 - The Portrait
25 - Lovejoy Chase
26 - Lovemaking
27 - Rose
28 - Hard to Starboard
29 - A Mathematical Certainy
30 - 2,200 Souls
31 - Trapped On 'D' Deck
32 - A Building Panic
33 - Two & A Half Mile Down
34 - Rose Looks for Jack
35 - Rose Frees Jack
36 - A Building Panic
37 - "Unable to Stay, Unwilling to Leave"
38 - Trapped On 'D' Deck
39 - Nearer, My God, To Thee
40 - The Sinking
41 - Death of Titanic
42 - A Promise Kept
43 - Never An Absolution
44 - End Credits

Nice. wish there was a link to those!! :)

The Cue Titles from the TITANIC-LIVE Event:

01 - 2 � Miles Down
02 - To the Keldysh
03 - Rose Revealed
04 - Distant Memories
05 - My Drawing
06 - Vanity Hand Mirror
07 - Southampton
08 - A Lucky Hand
09 - Leaving Port
10 - Take Her to Sea, Mr. Murdoch!
11 - First Sighting
12 - Rose's Suicide
13 - Jack Saves Rose
14 - Gift of A Necklace
15 - Promenade
16 - Dining Room Sequence
17 - The Blarney Pilgrim
18 - John Ryan's Polka
19 - Kesh Jig
20 - Drowsy Maggie
21 - Vision of Salome
22 - Rose
23 - Butterfly Comb
24 - The Portrait
25 - Lovejoy Chase
26 - Lovemaking
27 - Rose
28 - Hard to Starboard
29 - A Mathematical Certainy
30 - 2,200 Souls
31 - Trapped On 'D' Deck
32 - A Building Panic
33 - Two & A Half Mile Down
34 - Rose Looks for Jack
35 - Rose Frees Jack
36 - A Building Panic
37 - "Unable to Stay, Unwilling to Leave"
38 - Trapped On 'D' Deck
39 - Nearer, My God, To Thee
40 - The Sinking
41 - Death of Titanic
42 - A Promise Kept
43 - Never An Absolution
44 - End Credits

It should be noted that the score for Titanic Live was adapted from the source material, not a direct duplication. For example, there was an intermission at the same spot where the VHS had one ("I believe you may get your headlines, Mr. Ismay"). There was some additional intro/outro music played during these parts that wasn't in the final cut of the film (specifically #s 29 and 30, "A Mathematical Certainty" and "2,200 Souls"). Those two additional cues were mostly the "danger" motif, with the four descending notes. Still, though, it's an interesting cue list, and I did enjoy the souvenir booklet with some of the behind-the-scenes interviews. If I can figure out where they're coming from I'd love to capture them.

can anyone point me in the right direction to all back to titanic score?

Ever so slightly off topic, or perhaps not, Ghosts Of The Abyss.
Is that score/OST floating about?

The orchestrator doesn't own the rights.
Yep.
For future reference, it's the company who published the movie who have the rights. For example, Warner Bros.


Is that score/OST floating about?
I believe so! Thread 132352
Not sure if the link works though.


can anyone point me in the right direction to all back to titanic score?

Try this! Thread 185367

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Ho, boy, I wish those were available too, jedi!

I believe so! Thread 132352
Not sure if the link works though.


Thank you my friend. Sadly the link is dead.
If I buy bite the bullet, I'll buy a copy and share the rip.


...I'm buying everything else Titanic related at the moment!

Here you go...


https://mega.nz/#!V882mQwC

Key is:
RAmU9fyD7F4sbXnCb8jxttp0_Zr-2EPMXau6OB6TGmc

Here you go...


Thank you so much for this my friend!
Very much appreciated.

That song 'Darkness, Darkness' gets me every time!

Thanks again.

The following is mostly an edit made by me, for me using some sources downloaded here and others I have found elsewhere on the web. Some I made myself. I have been collecting scores for a long time and I love making “film version” chronological cues and tracklists. Sometimes I will not remember the original source for the material (if not from the original CD album) so bear with me and remind me nicely if you are to credit for the contribution. If so then THANK YOU! I am not a professional audio editor and some of my older work may be a bit choppy in the editing. I am sorry. Again, I made/edited these mostly just for my own enjoyment. I will upload as they come so be patient.

NOTE: Star Wars Eps III, IV, V & VI are still being edited with deleted scene music included so be patient. Also the The Lost World: Jurassic Park novel score (like my Jurassic Park Novel score) as well as the Dinotopia book score are still being compiled. They will be uploaded as they come out as well.

If there is any confusion about tracks or tracklists, first see the corresponding back covers as they have the correct track list. If something is missing, let me know. Here is what I have so far. All are Complete except where they say “album”. All are sfx free except where noted, or one or two tracks that I recorded (ex: Armageddon…Leaving on a Jet Plane, Animal Crackers, Psych Tests). My “Novel scores” are just music that I put to the scenes from a book. They are not meant to be played while reading the book as the beats might differ, as my imagination dramatisized or “montage” some scenes. It’s just what I “heard” in my head if I had made a film version of the book. So here is my list so far. Questions/comments always welcome.

Armageddon
https://mega.co.nz/#F!c11QzIqD!Gl5nhiy4VnCIj4x41FA24w

BBC Life (Life of Birds, Life of Mammals)
https://mega.co.nz/#F!559VySwK!4qg--aWfrDKy9oqF2Kc6Bw

Blue Planet Expanded Score
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Uw9gHC7a!w4PkdEx3yvNk0rUu2OReDA

Claymation Christmas
https://mega.co.nz/#F!UxEkCIiA!wpUD5zRwL1AAKqL3rbpOHg

The Day After Tomorrow
https://mega.co.nz/#F!5xVHQQzJ!xuWMN3_Xo9po7iqOKwgIMA

DINO DOCS (Dino Planet, March of the Dinosaurs, Flying Monsters, T-Rex Back to the Cretaceous)
https://mega.co.nz/#F!M091hACB!UdtsI6qMH0EcdqhutHdYGg

Dinosaur Rock
https://mega.co.nz/#F!w99h2LYI!fqyjNLMSTKKetaUzX6J8FA

Firefly (TV Show and Serenity)
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Q19SyL7I!xlmqRA0XSHO7XcX_VY1M6w
Ghosts of the Abyss
https://mega.co.nz/#F!1gMkGKZT!1dZDnTiu69U47CR1w0gH-w

Gladiator Complete 3 CD
https://mega.co.nz/#F!op1zmYCC!1RvvasVq5b-gkmeGpXAY1g

Godzilla 98
https://mega.co.nz/#F!V1EmVZxT!rZddhhjbmZQvo7mqaq7pEQ

HARRY POTTER
HP3 Complete SFX,
https://mega.co.nz/#F!EtV2GZpB!PvYoJWRny6Xtg4rQnV2luA
HP4,
https://mega.co.nz/#F!AlcHkb6R!Yleu9rXRkNu_prg9BNtnkQ
HP5,
https://mega.co.nz/#F!M9l3WSpZ!iE1M72vmeyzk9kGSlhj6zQ
HP6,
https://mega.co.nz/#F!k9cCHBRA!Oi07X9mlglksWpUmT-UquA
HP7,
https://mega.co.nz/#F!9skgiTwT!Ahd_uuh6LOx-Jk5d57gx1A

Indiana Jones
https://mega.co.nz/#F!dgV3GDQY!HEs5QfyBYkSMxnl7qbkcug

Jurassic Park
JP, JP Novel Score, TLW, JPIII, JW [Album])
https://mega.co.nz/#F!dwVW3CRL!zgOv9WGBSiybw-0iQRLw6A

Lord of the Rings
https://mega.co.nz/#F!dxFHGIJa!NDwNg9Pd6PF1xRkEFu02sg

Pirates of the Caribbean
https://mega.co.nz/#F!p1MiDbAC!kvWusroLVciESV7j-rI1fQ

Raptor Red Novel Score
https://mega.co.nz/#F!I8cSSaDZ!iLPzheTTiRR6_q8SDsUfrQ

Secrets of the Titanic
https://mega.co.nz/#F!EpkmRa4K!LDuQpxQF9GMosrK3Hg0-vg

STAR WARS: (Clone Wars TV Series)
https://mega.co.nz/#F!U5VgHJQY!TYq8zACncEKS3ACMRVwb2w

STAR WARS: (I, II, III)
https://mega.co.nz/#F!NxMwVZ7J!V9y156tQHvDG5wYrznGYXQ

Terminator 2
https://mega.co.nz/#F!AxlDQSyD!uDsYvygogomsw_d-oWtI0g
The Snowman
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Ek1gkTTQ!z9B0Omr9XT8ymVoTVc_jUw

Titanic
https://mega.co.nz/#F!hxdFjJKK!she69uWR-I7VhjHHaOFnmA

It's been a long time.... James Horner Died 22 June! I was so sad, I remember that because it was my birthday... In my life I loved only 3 composers! Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, and John Williams, Williams still alive! But I'll never meet James Horner, but I think that all we meet the best part of him! The Music! I'm so sorry. Anyway R.I.P. James, we will never forget you and what you gift us.

It's surprising (and also unsurprising) how absolutely, completely locked down this music is. And not just Titanic, but I suppose all film music in general. It's frustrating to know the music exists (or existed) - it was used in the film and promotional materials - but you end up sounding like a crazy person if you legitimately ask them about it, if you can even find someone to ask about it.

At the end of the day I feel like Sony/Paramount/Fox (whoever owns the rights and music nowadays) have nothing to lose - if they're unwilling to license it out and make a few bucks off it, then at least let those who are truly passionate about the score hear it.

/endrant

I talked about this with John Altman and Jim Henrikson, it's frustrating to say this but, they say that the alternate version recorded and edited are in the movie, but they lost any masters materials! And they said that it's normal inside Hollywood ambient to make mistakes! I dont know the true! I'm little skeptic about this! Anyway i'm tired to be so maniacal with this score! I think that the best original themes that Horner composed for the Movie are good, especially Titanic Suite of the second album! There is the soul of our master! The edited and re recorded alternate themes are artificially and i felt the difficulty of Horner to match them with the motion picture! Sometimed are incorrect by bad sound editing, anyway if they have the masters, its about time!

Some people here claim to have Titanic, 4 gigabytes worth of music.

Yeah, we all know how that went down... :)

Yeah, we all know how that went down... :)

I'm not talking about Casey

Casey said his upload was 3 GB

I find it hard to believe that Titanic would have been lost. It seems to be a convenient brush-off, a way to get out of answering a real question. (Plus, John Altman only arranged the period pieces. I wonder if perhaps the master to "Oh You Beautiful Doll" has been lost, because that's the only I Salonisti piece in the film that hasn't surfaced.) With a score as well-known and valuable as Titanic, it doesn't make sense that they would have lost it. Different parts of unreleased music were used in promotional adverts and documentaries in the 1997-1998 timeframe, including HBO, Fox, and even PBS (a small snippet of the film's version of "Southampton" was used in an episode of NOVA on special effects in films, with "Titanic" being one of the films introduced). Some unreleased music was used in the deleted scenes on the DVD/Blu-Ray, but I'm not sure if the audio with music existed previously or after (from Cameron's introduction, I was under the impression that the footage was in raw format and they cleaned it up and added music to it to make it blend in with the final version. The special effects were definitely added in during this restoration.) "Titanic Live" used the original orchestrations of unreleased cues to create the live version, so if the sheet music exists, I'm sure a recording does too. Also this was a huge film, with an enormous budget and ultimately it's still one of the most successful albums ever. I find it hard to believe that the film industry would just lose track of it and either a) not look for it or b) not find it. I have no reason to doubt that a few people on here have (or had) the sessions. (I encourage you to PM me if you do have any leads. Let's talk.)

That said, if the masters *were* lost, that would explain a few things. In the deleted scenes, the music switches from unreleased music to music straight from the album, then back again. During Cameron's introduction they literally play the audio from the beginning of the film - it's the opening music (unreleased) but near the end of Cameron's shpiel you can hear the submersibles in the water, they didn't even remove the sound effects from the audio track. Granted, it's just a DVD special feature, but even the studios didn't use music without SFX. No unreleased music has been heard in any form since 1998/the film's heyday. It would lessen the disappointment I still hold against Sony, who used a perfectly good opportunity to release *something* to release four completely superfluous discs. At least Jurassic Park rewarded its fans with four new tracks, even if they were all faded together (although raw sessions and 30 second cues don't always make for the best "album experience", I understand).

My concern is that, if Titanic is lost *or* if it's sitting in a vault somewhere, if there's only one copy of it, then it could very well be in danger. Not to be morbid but it's only a matter of time until the "Big One" strikes LA, or the original recording material (DAT tapes, I believe?), would deteriorate, or some janitor spills some energy drink all over a box marked "Titanic Recordings DO NOT TOUCH". I'd hope there's more than one copy out there, and even better if it's digitized, but I don't think that's happened. If there's only one or two copies out there, then all it takes is one thing to destroy the tapes forever. Like films from the '20s that burned up in studio fires - I don't want Titanic to be one of those things listed on Wikipedia as "lost forever". (Please forgive my ignorance of how music is/was recorded for film. I have my own mental image of how it works and I'm pretty sure it's very wrong.)

In any event, I feel like time is being wasted. I remember thinking the 10th anniversary was a good time to release the score, then the 15th anniversary. 2012 came with a brilliant re-release, and went with modest returns. "Titanic" fever is over. They can remaster the movie in 4-D but it'll never hit the high that it was in '97. The audience loses interest with every day that passes. The 20th anniversary is the next logical step but in order to have a release prepped by then they'd need to start preparing now.

I'm getting a little tired of being "maniacal" about the score too - although I hope I'm not *too* maniacal - but Titanic needs a champion, and I'll continue to be passionate about it. I still hear the music and remember the chills I got the first time I heard it, the nostalgia that it brings back, and the simple brilliance of its main themes. Researching it, it's difficult to be met with rejection at every turn - either straight up not responding or being told I don't have access to privileged information (the cue sheet took years to get even, though there is literally nothing "privileged" about it, cue sheets should be open access for anyone who asks for it since that's how composers make money). It's all been an interesting ride so far and hopefully things will change eventually.

It's obviously not lost.

Casey said his upload was 3 GB

He said it was 2.3.

Some others here are saying it is 4.

Where is everybody getting this false information.

He said it was 2.3.

Some others here are saying it is 4.

More Like 0....

Claimed to be 2.3 GB. 4 sounds excessive, but if that was true I would totally go for it.

Claimed to be 2.3 GB. 4 sounds excessive, but if that was true I would totally go for it.

Maybe it's 4 GB because it's in 192 or something like that. directly from digital sessions.

Ah, I'd love a digital, lossless transfer. Alternate takes and unused cues... I wish the topic weren't so contentious, all of the unnecessary drama that's occurred on here because of these sessions just makes it a potential minefield to talk about. (Also, it's been almost twenty years. Can it stop being a secretive luxury collector's item? Let another score take that coveted spot.)

As an aside, if anyone is interested, I managed to get a copy of the Electronic Press Kit that contains a 13-minute music medley in the left channel of the B-Roll and I've converted it to FLAC. Lossy source, but better than what was available previously (taken from a YouTube video). I've posted Southampton in case anyone is interested, although sadly it fades out right before it gets to the last part. Mono converted to stereo.


https://mega.nz/#!NsdU1RrD!_JRRfXSkVe51xMcs_bnW-8gB-F7deJC5BGvbsCvVZ6k

Thanks

Thanks for the upload.

At this point, if I could have THAT ONE CUE - the "Film version" of SOUTHAMPTON in full stereo, I'd honestly be happy with that....at least what you've uploaded is literally the closest we will ever get.

Thanks.

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Anyone can say it's 2GB or 6GB or claim they have four CD-Rs at around 55 minutes each...doesn't mean anything to throw random numbers out without any proof, and not a single person who ever claimed to have these sessions ever offered any proof of any sort.

YOU'RE HERE

THERE'S NOTHING TO FEAR

I KNOW THAT MY HEART WILL GO ON

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man I just busted a nut

Stop whining!

thank you i love that southampton version. I wanted to revise my edition as well, adding what you all created/remixed/revised into an expanded score but I really dont know where to start lol.

Hi, everyone, I want to know if someone can answer me a question: on the OST, track 13 "An Ocean of Memories", specifically at the 1:34 mark we can hear a theme that I can't recall being used on the movie. Actually, if my memory is correct, almost all of the track, specially the beginning, remains unused on the film. And, as for this speficic theme, it does appears a few other times on the OST (1:06 at Distant Memories), but it seems that it wasn't used on the movie at all. Am I right? It is really sad, though, it's a really beautiful theme.

Pardon me if this was already discussed here, but this is a really long thread.

Correct, the passage you mention doesn't appear in the film. The track as a whole was almost certainly written or compiled just for the soundtrack album. Much of the music on the albums are general themes from the movie rather than verbatim passages of music written for the film.

Thanks for the answer!

I have a theory that this passage was actually a theme that Horner wrote for old Rose, since I imagine that his original intentions was that it would appear at the beginning, when she sees the news of the ship on TV, and then at the end, when she throws the necklace on the sea. However, when they were editing the music on the picture, Cameron (or someone else) decided not to use the theme at all. On the film , the news scene doesn't include the part of the Distant Memories cue where theme appears, and the final scenes were scored with some other music that may or may not be tracked from earlier cues, I'm not sure here.

But, if the OST was actually a lot of suites written specially for the album, and not the actual movie score, than it is easily understandable why the complete recordings of this score are the holy grail for Horner aficionados.

Anyway, the exact answer we'll probably only know when (and if) we ever listen to the complete recording sessions.

It may be a transition between two themes. My theory is that Horner wrote long themes that were then chopped up during production. Many of the edits in the film are rough and you'll hear the transitions almost painfully obviously. Horner was fond of writing long suites so it makes sense that he wrote only a few themes that were then chopped up and moved around during editing. (Some of the music ostensibly written for the wreck, for example, appears as the ship is sinking and Rose is looking for Jack.) it's very possible that this theme was intended to be used.

So much material is unused and unreleased. I hope something will happen for the 20th anniversary, but all indications I've received are that nothing will happen. Sony is still unwilling to license out the score and they missed their big shot with the 2012 re-release. Unless one of those who claim they have the sessions decides to be generous - or some other miracle, like Sony coming to their senses - we'll likely never know.

bandtrumpet7 you once said that oh you beautiful doll was probably the only recording from I Salonisti that was lost. could you tell me (or anyone really) if you know the name of the piece that is playing when rose and jack come back in the dewitt's suite right after the flying scene ? in that scene they discuss monet ... thanks in advance in any case

Ooh, good catch. According to the documentation this is a "ship's band" version of "Come Josephine in my Flying Machine" arranged by William Ross (same as "Oh You Beautiful Doll"). So, that's two I Salonisti pieces that are missing. :( As Rose says to Jack "wearing this, wearing only this" you can hear the staccato notes like "up, up, a little bit higher". It's buried low in the mix but I can remove the dialogue to see if I can isolate this part for you.

Oh yeah you're right now that you say so I can recognize it. I did isolate it that's how I heard it so there's no need to do it for me specifically but maybe yourself and others are interested in it :) huge thanks!

All I have to say is if someone actully has the sessions could we at least get a track list?

That would hurt too much. So close but so far D:

Stop whining!

Stop trolling.

That would hurt too much. So close but so far D:

But at least we would be certain it exist, don't you hate living in question.

Life is one big mystery.

According to the documentation this is a "ship's band" version of "Come Josephine in my Flying Machine" arranged by William Ross (same as "Oh You Beautiful Doll").

Oh I just realized this comes right after the flying scene where Jack sang it to Rose. What an "odd" coincidence really that it just so happened to be played right after.

Haha I think it was very much intentional :-P I'm not sure if I read it somewhere but most of the classical pieces are played at least twice, once when the ship is afloat and once when it's sinking. Kind of like how some of the core extras are visible during both the sailing and sinking, to further the idea that this is, as Walter Lord put it, like the disappearance of a small town.

Haha I think it was very much intentional :-P I'm not sure if I read it somewhere but most of the classical pieces are played at least twice, once when the ship is afloat and once when it's sinking. Kind of like how some of the core extras are visible during both the sailing and sinking, to further the idea that this is, as Walter Lord put it, like the disappearance of a small town.

Yeah I noticed a lot of the extras popping up throughout the movie it's amazing how Cameron crafted his film. But we've been through I Salonisti's pieces once and I don't recall more than a few of them being played twice...

I would honestly like to hear all of the unreleased cues during the sinking. They're so eerie! Like when the first rocket goes off and the camera goes to a partially underwater porthole showing Jack handcuffed to the pipe. The music where the guy drops the keys is mostly released except for when Jack goes underwater to retrieve the keys. Also, some music from "the wreck" at the beginning would be nice to have in a better sounding release.

But we've been through I Salonisti's pieces once and I don't recall more than a few of them being played twice...

On second look, I think I'm misremembering. There are only about 2 cues that are played twice. Oops, haha.


I would honestly like to hear all of the unreleased cues during the sinking.

Virtually all of the sinking cues are unreleased. The one you're referring to - both the thumping "dun dun dun dun" one as the first rocket is fired (which is one of my favorites) and when the steward drops the keys are from the same cue, "Trapped on 'D' Deck". One of my other favorites is a cue that I don't know the name of, it's a mix of some wreck music (2 1/2 Miles Down) and another cue (Rose Frees Jack) so I don't know exactly what's playing, but when Rose finds the axe and runs back to the room, there's this sort of low brass that builds to a really cool string part as Captain Smith looks down at the flooding well deck and then back up at the rocket.

Yeah, and every custom edit I find just doesn't do it for me. What ever happened to William Taylor? I know some bad things happened but he remains inactive, I thought it blew over?

Yeah, and every custom edit I find just doesn't do it for me. What ever happened to William Taylor? I know some bad things happened but he remains inactive, I thought it blew over?

Ugh.

Mr 1969 was nothing more than a pathological liar who could not even spell "Titanic" right. He always spelled it "TITANTIC" and never once offered up any shred of proof that he had anything. The only thing that blew was the massive amount of smoke he stunk this board up with.

That's too bad. I don't suppose there's any new development. I have been writing to LLLR and Sony Classical. Probably won't do any good but I feel better. I've been playing sleuth the past few weeks collecting any thing said on the net about the sessions. Seems like it all dead ends though with the only rumors being 9CDs, the complete score clocking in at 2 hours 15 mins, stuff like that. Sigh.

None of which have been confirmed, as anyone can come on here and say whatever they like.

I had someone PM me several times a long time ago saying he had a friend who had access to the full score and even offered to just get me that one track - the film version of "Southampton".

No dice. He never got back to me. He's really big into instrumental backing tracks for Broadway musicals.

The only thing we DO know with some certainty, is that La-La Land Records unsuccessfully tried to go for an expanded release, but were turned down by Sony. Money is the issue of course, as Sony did not want to pay for a limited release when they could (and did) repackage the existing album for the film's 3D release in 2012, being that cheap "anniversary edition".

In a somewhat related note, LLL also unsuccessfully tried to release an expanded "Sneakers", but were turned down by Universal, though no reason was given.

The source of this information is available in this thread, though as you can see being 39 pages, it's buried somewhere near the first few I'd say.

Maybe if LLLR bugs Sony enough, they'll give it up.

Sony's excuse was not wanting to cater to the limited release crowd when the cost is so high, because repackaging the existing albums meant catering to a mass market audience (the general public who aren't people like us) and not spend anything other than the cost of designing new packaging and the so-called "remastering" of both albums.

That's too bad. I don't suppose there's any new development. I have been writing to LLLR and Sony Classical. Probably won't do any good but I feel better. I've been playing sleuth the past few weeks collecting any thing said on the net about the sessions. Seems like it all dead ends though with the only rumors being 9CDs, the complete score clocking in at 2 hours 15 mins, stuff like that. Sigh.

Having ripped the music (SFX of course) my own rip amounts to 2h30 min. Remove all the SFX I added (intentionally), all the I Salonisti pieces and Horner's score adds up to the 2h15 you said. Maybe (surely?) the sessions contain more (alternates and all that).

Is this guy Williamtaylor1969 telling the truth? If he is, then why he disappeared, instead of post the thread.

I have a very strong felling that, this expended score/recording sessions is gonna be realesed for the 20� Anniversary (2017),I hope, they release unused cues (like the AVATAR COLLECTOR'S DEFINITIVE EDITION}. We have to wait.

Is this guy Williamtaylor1969 telling the truth?


As I said a couple of posts above, no. He was not telling the truth.

I wouldn't care if they threw it on a CD with no artworks, wrapped in a brown bag.

UPDATE: I don't know if anyone has tried to the approach of contacting Sony Classical besides one other forum member, they got back to me on a FB post, stating that their Anniversary release of Titanic is complete, practically. I kind of went off on them a little bit. Because how can one be that fvcking stupid. So, I went ahead and educated them on what I know about their BS release. :) They take days to respond though. -_- Unrelated but I also asked them about a release for Boondock Saints 1.

Okay, so I finally got around to watching the film and now I want the sessions. Hear me out, I know I'm not getting them and that no one has them. Nevertheless, a few questions:

What is the current status of/problem with the licence/reuse fees or any other intellectual copyright shit? Doesn't all that crap expire after ten years?

If a proper release were to be arranged next year, would there be any problems for the Irish source music? Does that come with licence/re-use rubbish too?

Does the fact that JH is dead - God rest his soul - change anything? Would he ever have had any say regarding a complete releaseor does Sony deprive him of that right as well?

What exactly is Sony's argument NOT to release a complete score? Isn't it a bit like claiming that a Harry Potter book with five extra sentences in it wouldn't sell? I know that ordinary folks are happy with the OST, but does that mean that those ordinary folks would not buy a new album? I mean, what is the point of holding on to your rights if your only intention is never to use them?

Here's the gist, as best as I can tell.

Sony Music has the licensing rights to the Titanic score. They're unwilling to give it up, and they've declined at least two record labels who have expressed interest in releasing a complete score. I'm not 100% sure on license fees and whatnot, but I don't think anything expires after 10 years. Copyright alone is good for something like 75+ years, and for the film/music industries which are much more litigious and protective of their assets, the copyright will almost certainly never expire (at least not within our lifetimes).

The Irish and classical music would probably not present any more challenges than Horner's source music. They're just owned/managed by different people. The Irish cues were performed by Gaelic Storm and the classical music by I Salonisti. Most of the classical stuff has been released but there are a few exceptions, notably the cues arranged by William Ross, not John Altman, so there's probably some hangup there. None of the Gaelic Storm music has been released aside from the mashup on the Back to Titanic album (ughhhhhh to dialogue mixed in with music, whoever thought this was a good idea).

Any new release would have to be approved by Horner's estate now that he's gone. I think he did have a say on what was released, but I can't 100% confirm. He was at least involved in LLR's recent Braveheart release.

*As for why they're not releasing it, basically it all comes down to money. Sony doesn't perceive a big market, and given that the original sold 29 million copies, a limited release after the movie's heyday won't go over well. What's unfortunate is that due to their marketing and the length of time that's passed, the common sentiment in Hollywood now is that the entire score *has* been released. "They released a four-CD set", "there was a sequel album", "even the I Salonisti music was released", etc. (I speak from experience here.) In an age now where composers don't write album suites like they used to, common perception is that the stuff on the CD must have been what was put in the movie. Even though Sony doesn't want to release the score or give out the license it doesn't mean that they're just sitting on it - to them it's a huge money market and I'm sure they still get some kickback every time someone sings "My Heart Will Go On" on American Idol or something. This is one of the top selling soundtracks of all time - they're likely very protective of it. Understandable, but if they could only realize just what's missing is

*Your Harry Potter book metaphor is spot on. Most people perceive any additional unused music to be five extra sentences in a book of 400 pages, so it probably wouldn't sell well except for the diehard fans. In this case though, this is more like a first draft of the book that was rewritten. The themes and characters and all are still there but everything is a bit different. That said though, the lay person likely doesn't care. "Titanic" has run its course. Sure, it's still a big movie, and we have the Titanic Live concert, but at this point nothing new will happen. Cameron has moved on to Avatar, and unless Titanic gets re-re-released in 4D or something there's no motive to release anything. :(

Okay, thanks! Here's hoping it leaks soon. However impossible it is at this stage, I don't believe it will never leak.

Yeah. The music can't just not be released. Ten or twenty or thirty+ years from now, when more time has gone by and the restrictions and stuff have faded with time, some record label is going to break through and manage to get an OK to produce a complete score album. It's just too important of a film to not receive that treatment at some point in the future. Not the near future, but it has to happen at some point unless - God forbid - the tapes get lost or something.

I know I'm not getting them and that no one has them.

the sessions are in the trading circles, as i was told from such a member. however they are only available in 128kbit mp3.

due too the extreme high profile/value of this title and sony probably going after folks who leak that version, you wont see it anytime soon.

They aren't in the trading circles...

due to the extreme high profile/value of this title and sony probably going after folks who leak that version, you wont see it anytime soon.

I agree. I don't think anything will leak soon. Inevitable, maybe, but until a new "must have" comes around I wouldn't expect to see them anytime soon.

Crazy though that it's been 20 years and it's still so closely guarded...Avatar came out pretty fast. I suppose being pre-widespread Internet has kept it confined to insider circles.

the sessions are in the trading circles, as i was told from such a member. however they are only available in 128kbit mp3.

Pretty sure that's fake, buddy.

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Crazy though that it's been 20 years and it's still so closely guarded...Avatar came out pretty fast. I suppose being pre-widespread Internet has kept it confined to insider circles.

These days everything is digital, so if you're an audio editor. or involved with the film at all, grabbing a copy for yourself is pretty easy. I don't know how the editing process was in 1997 when the film came out, but if everything was on DAT tapes then it was probably a hassle not worth the time or not worth risking. Even if someone had done it for personal use, who knows if the tape with the copy would have even survived unscathed until now?

Wouldn't it also be possible that the 'right' people just never came along? That's what's going on with Prisoner of Azkaban, the only reason we haven't got that one is a pure coincidence, nothing to do with guarding.

Pretty sure that's fake, buddy.

the person had no reason too lie to me about it, as i received some pretty cool stuff from that person.
but we wont know for sure until it gets leaked.
personally i could care less for a 128k mp3 version anyway.
i'm quite happy with the official releases. if titanic gets a
proper official complete version or the sessions would leak
in high quality, then i'm getting exited.

From what I understand it was DAT tapes, and my biggest concern is that the tapes have been lost or damaged. I feel like Sony didn't even try with the 2012 release so I'm wondering if it's for something darker than just "oh no one would notice the difference". My guess/fear? is there is a reason why they didn't do it...hopefully it's just ignorance (and I'm not blaming them, necessarily, just sort of them being unaware that the themes aren't the same) and not something like the original recordings were misplaced or destroyed. It *is* LA, so if there's an earthquake and it's not backed up...

*is aware that sessions likely are backed up and stored in a secure location and not under someone's desk, but I'm catastrophizing anyways*

None of the Gaelic Storm music has been released aside from the mashup on the Back to Titanic album

Some cues that highly resemble the Irish cues do float around though. They're not the film versions obviously but still..

Gaelic Storm released a "Titanic Set" on their album Herding Cats but it's definitely a rerecording. Some of the Irish-y tunes are Rakish Paddy which there's another arrangement of from another Horner film but it's not the actual cues themselves ("A Lucky Hand" and "Lovejoy Chases Jack and Rose").

Yeah I've just listened to it. Does not fit from what I have heard in the past. The versions I have heard sounded more "faithful" to the movie - if that can be said. Considering all additional material I heard came from either here or Youtube, it should be somewhere...

Ah found it. It's Heaven Help Us from Horner. A full theme so not the movie version but you can definitely hear what's been kept in by Horner and Cameron.

I thought it was a movie theme but it's a traditional Irish tune called Rakish Paddy. Heaven Help Us is a similar arrangement to Titanic.

It's better than nothing for those interested I guess. It's "official" material since it was Horner's own take on Rakish Paddy. Otherwise, theodred27's expanded set included decent versions of The Lucky Ticket and of The Chase as well as An Irish Party.

Additionnally, there's Kesh Jig and Drowsy Maggie. Versions that I find quite OK - NOT Gaelic Storm unfortunately - are The Chieftains' Drowsy Maggie and Behold Thy Burden's Kesh Jig.

That's for those digging the Irish music :) we have to do with what little we have.

Yeah, the versions in that set were definitely good and close approximations of what's in the film. I don't know the origin of those tracks. There's also "John Ryan's Polka" and "Blarney Pilgrims".

Lol even Not-Horner music is guarded secretly somewhere in a vault !

This is getting beyond insane. Seriously. Oh well, at least that means the real cues are legally connected to Titanic. I'll just stick with the OST, don't have the courage or patience to bother with countless SFX edits. TO HELL WITH COPYRIGHT.

I just wish there was a way to convey the sheer passion some people have about this score. For me this was a life-changing watershed score - I remember hearing the soundtrack for the first time (without seeing the film) and being instantly mesmerized, and it wouldn't be exaggerating to say that this (and Horner's whole body of work) really changed my life. That it's held in such secrecy and guarded so jealously is unsurprising but disappointing. I'll continue in my quest to convince the involved companies to see the demand and release the music for those who have supported Titanic for two decades. I've reached some influential people and I only hope they can see just how much this means to such a large number of people.

Horner's estate certainly plays a part, because James Horner himself, in a VERY rare case for a soundtrack album, actually made money from the sales.

The average soundtrack album does not make a composer any money. They get their fee for "producing" the album, and they were paid to write and produce the film score, but the album sales don't earn the composer any income (which is why I have NEVER felt bad about being a part of this board). It's all going to the label and the film companies involved since they own the music.

Horner knew this, and actually negotiated to earn ONE DOLLAR for every unit (album copy) sold.

The score sold over 26 million copies, so Horner earned over $26 million dollars from the sales alone.

Make of that what you will....

Uh, hang on now... So composers don't make money from album sales? I feel so good being on this board right now, lol. So if they don't make any money, why do they re-arrange, make suites etc.? Why not just give us everything at once?

Well, they get money for helping to produce the album.

Plus, if you were a composer, wouldn't you want to give your music a chance to be heard?

Uh, hang on now... So composers don't make money from album sales? I feel so good being on this board right now, lol. So if they don't make any money, why do they re-arrange, make suites etc.? Why not just give us everything at once?

I thought that was common knowledge.

The reasoning is simple: Their name is still on a product and their work is still being heard, so why not present it in the best way they can from an artistic perspective?

For the composer him or herself, it's not always about the money, that's why.

They've been paid for writing the music and producing it, but selling it is where they don't get paid per sale since it's not technically theirs, but they did create it and obviously want people to experience it on their terms.

Money a big factor in NOT giving everything at once, because it costs a lot of money to put that music on an album because of paying for the orchestra's performance fees. The musicians are paid for how much of their performance makes it onto a disc...Think of the Varese "Star Trek" Deluxe Edition which left off the choir. Guess the choir was too expensive to pay for licensing their work on an album. The original iD4 album was 50 minutes long because that's what they paid for - 50 minutes. That's called a "reuse fee", where the recording of their performance is licensed to be reused on another presentation like an album or whenever a music cue from a score is used in another medium like a TV commercial or a trailer.

New Musician's union (The American Federation of Musicians) fees in 2008 or 2009 (can't recall exactly) were negotiated paving the way for MORE music being included on album releases and hence a whole series of expanded reissues have followed since.

But yeah...don't worry about the composer losing money from these things. There was an oft-repeated notion that "bootlegs prevent reissues and new albums from coming" but that's a load of crap, given the sheer number of scores (Horner's scores alone make up a nice list proving this notion wrong let alone other composers) that have indeed been reissued and expanded. These boots / sessions don't prevent anything and don't take money from the composer's pockets....except for rare cases like THIS score.

...

Seems a bit suspicious that theodred27's compilation of recreated score and edits just so HAPPENS to be 35 cues too. I'd have expected more than a mere 35 cues it were really the real thing. But hey you never know.

Well, mine is 35 tracks because i avoided adding the small cues with sfx. but im pretty sure the titanic live tracklist features also 35 tracks and it has the complete score.

Well then are we allowed to ... dare I say... hope ?

Wow. Hoping beyond hope that it's legit.

sure you can, but hope never leads anywhere especially about that matter.

Last rumor I heard on the sessions is that there were/are three 2GB WAV files but someone shared something so the person I talked to didn't get them. I find it fishy that everyone who tangentially has been involved in these sessions hasn't gotten them due to some technical mishap or breach of trust...either the sessions are cursed, or everyone is told to tell the same lie, haha.

I had a dream that I got a deal for a film with Sony and I requested the sessions because I wanted to use them in the film. The idiots bought it and I leaked them to everyone. Too bad it was a dream.

I've had the same dream at least three times, haha.

I've tried reaching out to them via Facebook as I can't find a good phone number and all I ever heard from them was that I would enjoy their anniversary release to which I responded exactly with how I felt and what was wrong with the release and even went as far as to say that James Horner may have passed and his real Titanic music will never be heard because you guys are being asshats about it. Still no response. I try to annoy them twice a week with releasing more music. I'm not stopping either. I'll be just like Andy in Shawshank.

Haha saying they're asshats may not encourage a full release. I got in touch with someone at Paramount but he hasn't responded, so I'm trying to follow up but not be rude or too disruptive.