Hello all,

I realized I took the link down without giving the backup link, oops. If you'd like the medley I enhanced, you can download it at the following link:


http://www.titanicscore.com/downloads/JamesHornerTitanicMedley.zip

And of course, feel free to sign the petition if you haven't already! :) 96 signatures and counting...

-BT7

Where is Jeanbaker???

Hello all,

I realized I took the link down without giving the backup link, oops. If you'd like the medley I enhanced, you can download it at the following link:


http://www.titanicscore.com/downloads/JamesHornerTitanicMedley.zip

And of course, feel free to sign the petition if you haven't already! :) 96 signatures and counting...

-BT7

Incredible, i watched all special featires and making of titanic but i never recognize that! Can you please be more specific? Where did you extract this? I saw the full heart of the ocean making of, and i didnt find that, and more i checked all my dvd and blu ray to find that but nothing! Can you link me that video? Because i really want to clean that track and edit it! Oww i was forgot, in a special with cameron deep on the wreck, in background is the entire wreck music! But i have to been able to extract that because the comment of cameron.

Incredible, i watched all special featires and making of titanic but i never recognize that! Can you please be more specific? Where did you extract this? I saw the full heart of the ocean making of, and i didnt find that, and more i checked all my dvd and blu ray to find that but nothing! Can you link me that video? Because i really want to clean that track and edit it! Oww i was forgot, in a special with cameron deep on the wreck, in background is the entire wreck music! But i have to been able to extract that because the comment of cameron.

Hi jeanbaker,
Great to see you back again!!
We've missed you a lot!!!;)

From the above-mentioned 'B-Roll' youtube video directly.

I've tried to clean it up a little:


http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?fue1fo344a2z1sk

This is not the entire audio track, just the first couple of minutes from it - Southampton (film version) and the alternate end to 'Take Her to Sea, Mr. Murdoch'.

I took the source video file and pulled the AAC audio track from it to make this.

Woo very nice.

Yes, the thread's alive again!!!

hi guys! i extract that southampton audio and i clean it little bit, i made a stereo mix, (but was mono and the result is not the best) i edited it and mixed the starting with the piano cue of my track ''the ship of dreams'' and the ending with southampton ending, you might hear a little change in the audio because the southampton track was real in stereo! i tried to make that much better possible, for the wreck music, well well, its a very difficult job! i'm trying to do that but i need time, thank you guys,
for the unreleased score, i'm in contact with the wife of james cameron, but i don't think she know much about that, i have to ask about that, but first i have to get in contact with James. ciao ragazzi.

https://hotfile.com/dl/183721382/51b0662/Southampton_Track.m4a.html

Thank you Jean.
But how the fuck have you managed to take contact with James Cameron's wife?

Great job, Jean!
Cool that you're in contact with James Cameron's wife!

I hope someone leaks the recording sessions. That would be the best Christmas present imaginable. A legitimate release would be almost as amazing, but then we wouldn't get it for free. ;)

I was thinking, I just can't be the only one who checks this thread nearly every day in the hopes that someone's found something.

I agree. I check on this thread every now and then, knowing I won't find anything, but you never know.

At this point, I'd be willing to put down some serious $ for the recording sessions, as long as they were lossless and complete - recording sessions with multiple takes, unused cues, and the like.

My question for Jeanbaker is this:

WHICH wife of James Cameron are you in touch with? His first, second, third, fourth, or current wife?

William

My question for Jeanbaker is this:

WHICH wife of James Cameron are you in touch with? His first, second, third, fourth, or current wife?

William

Good point, that guy has always been a ladies' man. I dont think it would change anything though....
Have you tried James Horner's wife?

My question for Jeanbaker is this:

WHICH wife of James Cameron are you in touch with? His first, second, third, fourth, or current wife?

William

His current wife, Suzy Amis, I'd think. :P

Yes it is!

Well, Suzy is not bad, but I would prefer, for my money, Linda Hamilton, if I wasn't happily married, or my wife died in a tragic accident (God forbid)!

William

At least he addressed the right member here. Man's been getting REALLY confused as to who he speaks to here, which seems impossible on a message board but there was the proof right there for all to see in that now locked Titanic-stupidity 2.0 thread.

Well, the issue really is that the only member to say they have it is William. William says he cannot release it. And, please william, no offense, but you keep posting in these threads, and it kind of rubs folks wrong.....ya see? This will NEVER see the light of day as an official release, ever. So, help us Obi_Will, you're our only hope. :awsm:

See what I did there? Another Star Wars spoof. My last one apparently closed threads and scared scorpranoes away, so let's see what THIS one does....**waits**

Well, Suzy is not bad, but I would prefer, for my money, Linda Hamilton
Cameron should know best, he had 'em both ;)


Well, the issue really is that the only member to say they have it is William. William says he cannot release it. And, please william, no offense, but you keep posting in these threads, and it kind of rubs folks wrong.....ya see? This will NEVER see the light of day as an official release, ever. So, help us Obi_Will, you're our only hope. :awsm:

I don't believe him that he got the sessions. He never posted anything specific about the score. I mean come on, William, why not posting some reel and slate numbers, original cue names from the recording sessions or at least some details about the score in general?
For instance, that one cue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mC5V_jvJ9A) that appeared three times in the movie (but has not been released), did Horner compose original music for th�se scenes, that later on got rejected and tracked by the cue we hear now?

Interesting Video, some more cues are planned to be done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0FdMh5JK5ao

Please tell me this is not going to descend into another "prove you have it" thread, followed by bashing from all parts, insults and generally rude behaviour.

I do believe William when he says he has the music but can't release it. I also do believe Sony are pretty intent on never letting a complete see the light of day. nor does Cameron probably. and maybe even Horner isn't that interested by that option (though that's just conjecture from my end). Just like Blade Runner, Titanic is condemned to be the stuff of dreams for the movie fans.

And we all know posting a cue list will trigger at least twice the insanity the same action did for scores like Pirates of the Caribbean or the Transformers movies.

but who knows. after 30 years of waiting, we finally got "Conan the Barbarian". a score that was thought lost forever. so who knows, maybe in 20 years, a complete version of Titanic will see the light of day.

If one does not have evidence to back one's claim, then why should anyone else be compelled to believe it? I don't want this thread to collapse like its predecessor, and Williamtaylor1969 seems to be a decent enough fellow, but I'm not prepared to take it on faith that he has the sessions just because he says so, and for no other reason. I'm not prepared to wait 20 years for it, so I'm definitely going to do something about it, whatever I can in fact, in at least half that time.

If one does not have evidence to back one's claim, then why should anyone else be compelled to believe it? I don't want this thread to collapse like its predecessor, and Williamtaylor1969 seems to be a decent enough fellow, but I'm not prepared to take it on faith that he has the sessions just because he says so, and for no other reason. I'm not prepared to wait 20 years for it, so I'm definitely going to do something about it, whatever I can in fact, in at least half that time.

What about doing something like ocean's eleven? Breaking into sony vault and stealing the sessions !

Decent enough? I used to think so, but I'm not so sure anymore.

Incredibly paranoid and accusatory against the wrong people, blatantly so. Amanda brought up a very good point about rubbing people the wrong way, which does happen often and I know exactly what she was referring to: someone says they have something from the score and he sarcastically says something along the lines of 'dude! I told you to be quiet about it!', which people have fallen for. People get riled up over it which is the whole point. To stir things up, and it's just crude and immature. There's no need for that.

I was shocked at his ranting in that now locked thread that opened a couple of days ago because he was so completely off-base and had such a massive case of mistaken identity it was laughable at best, deeply disturbing at worst. He just didn't make any sense at all, and I couldn't believe what I was reading because of it.

Therefore everything spoken on this forum is a perfect example of the term "take it with a grain of salt".

To believe or not to believe doesn't really matter anymore at this point. When it's not disturbing, it's at the least a bit entertaining.

If one does not have evidence to back one's claim, then why should anyone else be compelled to believe it? I don't want this thread to collapse like its predecessor, and Williamtaylor1969 seems to be a decent enough fellow, but I'm not prepared to take it on faith that he has the sessions just because he says so, and for no other reason. I'm not prepared to wait 20 years for it, so I'm definitely going to do something about it, whatever I can in fact, in at least half that time.

You're not prepared to wait 20 years for this ?

big deal.

do you think Blade runner fans have a choice ? no. and there is NO real release of the complete blade runner score. all we have are bootlegs, and the sessions are a lost hope, as they have been lost.

do you think Conan fans had a choice before Intrada found the conan masters ? no. until Douglass Fake found the original recording master in Universal's vault. and got the right. but it was Conan. not a movie that made so much profit it's nearly insane. Sony is not going to licence the right to the Titanic score, whether to Intrada, Lalaland, Perseverence or any other score label. they're keeping it under wraps, and I'm pretty sure they'll release it, say, for the movie 20th or 25th anniversary. or maybe not. their music, their rules. it's a sad story, but it's the story.

In this kind of situation, you literally have only 2 choices: do with what you have (IE the released music, the movie and eventual DVD rips / Bootlegs / covers / Edits) or wait. that's pretty much ALL you can do. whether you like it or not. so you better be prepared to live without it. because as somebody once said, just because you really really really wish very hard for something won't make it become true.

You're not prepared to wait 20 years for this ?

big deal.

do you think Blade runner fans have a choice ? no. and there is NO real release of the complete blade runner score. all we have are bootlegs, and the sessions are a lost hope, as they have been lost.

do you think Conan fans had a choice before Intrada found the conan masters ? no. until Douglass Fake found the original recording master in Universal's vault. and got the right. but it was Conan. not a movie that made so much profit it's nearly insane. Sony is not going to licence the right to the Titanic score, whether to Intrada, Lalaland, Perseverence or any other score label. they're keeping it under wraps, and I'm pretty sure they'll release it, say, for the movie 20th or 25th anniversary. or maybe not. their music, their rules. it's a sad story, but it's the story.

In this kind of situation, you literally have only 2 choices: do with what you have (IE the released music, the movie and eventual DVD rips
Or maybe someday a isolated score

Or maybe someday a isolated score

No, we deeply expected an isolated score with the release of the blu ray edition and it didnt happen...
Lalaland Emailed me back. I had asked them how went the plans for the release of a titanic deluxe edition, they told me sony wants a total control over it so as always we are fucked up.

Bottom line is it won't ever happen. Ever never, as I said before, about a year ago? :)

No, we deeply expected an isolated score with the release of the blu ray edition and it didnt happen...
Lalaland Emailed me back. I had asked them how went the plans for the release of a titanic deluxe edition, they told me sony wants a total control over it so as always we are fucked up.

That sucks really

Is there an isolated score on the blu-ray dvd ???

unfortunately no otherwise an isolated score would have been posted here.

Interesting Video, some more cues are planned to be done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0FdMh5JK5ao
There are more cues that will be done (are already started) and requests and questions are welcome..

There are more cues that will be done (are already started) and requests and questions are welcome..

And, of course, the petition is open for signatures, if you'd like the satisfaction of at least pretending to be grassroots and hoping for a release. :) Titanic Score | The Complete Score Petition (http://www.titanicscore.com)

OK, I'm gonna go on the record to say I have access to a copy of every note that was ever recorded for the film. Some members on here who I've had private message conversations with will know how. However, there are some members on here that don't deserve it cause they're c***s basically, so out of reach it will stay!

^^ For the sake of the worthiness of this discussion, I ask that everyone please disregard the above comment.. It's inflammatory and isn't going to do anything except reignite the previous inferno of pointless bickering..

^^ For the sake of the worthiness of this discussion, I ask that everyone please disregard the above comment.. It's inflammatory and isn't going to do anything except reignite the previous inferno of pointless bickering..

He's been on my ignore for a short while now.

I admire your efforts, and you certainly have talent.

I don't believe any petition is going to work simply because these things rarely succeed and Sony has turned down every opportunity (and I'm too grounded in cold reality to be as optimistic as most seem to be) but I'm glad you're trying, and I'm glad you care. There aren't enough Horner fans who seem to truly give a damn anymore.

So...thank you.

Thank you for your kind words..

I'm a realist as well, so I am not as optimistic either.. (who could be?) I see it as a win-win. Either way, we'll have something to listen to whether it is these recreated cues or the actual full sessions.. I strive for perfection and I'm using a lot of the same exact or extremely similar synthesizers and samples that James Horner himself used for the film, so it is my goal to have as similar of a sound as we can get without the real deal.. Now of course, while this is better than nothing, of course we would all (myself included) rather the actual sessions, but I think if Sony sees that people are flocking to listen to these, then they might think twice about the commercial feasibility of the full sessions. Whether they do anything about it or not isn't really my concern.. as much as I want the sessions released I'm well aware to the cold, hard reality that it just may never happen, but in the mean time, something to listen to isn't a bad thing as long as we are all consciously aware that these are not in any way, shape, or form actual recording sessions. I've already had people on Youtube message me asking for more unreleased music and asking for the full recording sessions which is simply a matter of reading the description.

One thing that would be useful is for people to tell me which music they would like to hear recreated. I want some sense of a priority here as for which cues they would like to hear next. These have given the petition fantastic support so I am eager to make more. Plus, I think a lot of people don't hear the music as plainly as someone like I do.. I am a musician with a well-trained ear and can hear the music a lot more clearly than most people can. Titanic's music is just a bit quieter than I think it should be but that is an age-old studio conflict.. the SFX guys and music guys are constantly trying to 1-up each other.. my point is that you have to know what you're missing to appreciate it. Most people aren't going to believe you if you just tell them that in reality, almost none of the actual soundtrack to the film is released (especially the fun-to-listen-to disgrace that was Back To Titanic..) and these videos have already given much more support to the petition.

So if people have any ideas as to which cues they would like to hear next I'm 100% open to suggestions. I will do this at a popularity rate because that is the smartest idea for support. If you don't know the name, you can describe what scene(s) it appears in. I also love answering questions for further clarification.

And please, if you already haven't, please sign the petition at www.titanicscore.com

Shane

He's been on my ignore for a short while now.

I admire your efforts, and you certainly have talent.

I don't believe any petition is going to work simply because these things rarely succeed and Sony has turned down every opportunity (and I'm too grounded in cold reality to be as optimistic as most seem to be) but I'm glad you're trying, and I'm glad you care. There aren't enough Horner fans who seem to truly give a damn anymore.

So...thank you.

I care. I just don't want to "need" it, cause then it is always on my mind. Besides, there are other Horner scores I would rather see either as complete (like Battle Beyond The Stars) or plain old released, ie most early work. I could do with a complete Clear and Present Danger, Brainstorm, Pagemaster, Sneakers etc. Titanic is a large work, and beautiful, but not really on my most wanted, actually. Maybe that is why I can be more detached from it?

Hello Shane
Let me tell you that I like your comitment and your initiative !
Too bad we are not all musicians because im sure together we could have built a complete score.
About the petition I once thought that we should send it to the official titanic facebook page in order to gain support.
Well let say we would like to hear:
The Butterfly Comb
First eyes contact
The Wreck
The lovescene ( though Jean Baker made a pretty good recreation =)

You're not prepared to wait 20 years for this ?

big deal.

do you think Blade runner fans have a choice ? no. and there is NO real release of the complete blade runner score. all we have are bootlegs, and the sessions are a lost hope, as they have been lost.

do you think Conan fans had a choice before Intrada found the conan masters ? no. until Douglass Fake found the original recording master in Universal's vault. and got the right. but it was Conan. not a movie that made so much profit it's nearly insane. Sony is not going to licence the right to the Titanic score, whether to Intrada, Lalaland, Perseverence or any other score label. they're keeping it under wraps, and I'm pretty sure they'll release it, say, for the movie 20th or 25th anniversary. or maybe not. their music, their rules. it's a sad story, but it's the story.

In this kind of situation, you literally have only 2 choices: do with what you have (IE the released music, the movie and eventual DVD rips / Bootlegs / covers / Edits) or wait. that's pretty much ALL you can do. whether you like it or not. so you better be prepared to live without it. because as somebody once said, just because you really really really wish very hard for something won't make it become true.

There's no need to be rude and aggressive. As I said, I'm not prepared to wait 20 years for it, so instead of sitting around pointlessly, I'm at least going to try to do something about it.

@ShaneLessor: I'd love to hear a piano rendition of the opening titles. I'm learning how to play, but I'm not that good yet. :P

There's no need to be rude and aggressive. As I said, I'm not prepared to wait 20 years for it, so instead of sitting around pointlessly, I'm at least going to try to do something about it.

@ShaneLessor: I'd love to hear a piano rendition of the opening titles. I'm learning how to play, but I'm not that good yet. :P

I'm not rude. aggressive maybe, but that's more because I'm fed up with people complaining with "I can't go on with waiting for the score/complete score/recording sessions of [insert movie title here]" as if it would change something.

I'm not rude. I'm a pragmatic.

I'm not rude. aggressive maybe, but that's more because I'm fed up with people complaining with "I can't go on with waiting for the score/complete score/recording sessions of [insert movie title here]" as if it would change something.

I'm not rude. I'm a pragmatic.

There sure are a lot of misconceptions about the nature of complaints on these forums. Complaining isn't necessary a bad thing as long as it's justified and/or followed up by action of some sort. I was simply expressing my dissatisfaction with the current state of things and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Wanton aggression is generally considered rude, but I really don't want to inflame the situation.

I suppose I'm rather lucky and as a result extra frustrated that I've found every single film score I've ever wanted on these forums (Dead Man's Chest, At World's End, Batman Begins, Dinotopia, Angels & Demons etc.), with the exception of Titanic, which is my definite favourite film; the soundtrack was the first music I ever listened to and it actually got me interested in music. As we all know, the Titanic situation is particularly frustrating and rather needless, though I won't go into details about it because we're all tired of hearing about it.

I'm certainly looking forward to the time when the full Titanic score is finally released and I'm not anticipating having to wait 2 decades, which is perfectly reasonable.

OK, I'm gonna go on the record to say I have access to a copy of every note that was ever recorded for the film. Some members on here who I've had private message conversations with will know how. However, there are some members on here that don't deserve it cause they're c***s basically, so out of reach it will stay!

I was wondering if you've got access to every note recorded for this movie too?:

^^ of course he does, since that's him on the poster. :)

Which is funny, since quite a few people seem to look exactly like him here. ;)

why is he called like that? what is he accused of?

why is he called like that? what is he accused of?

they are under the impression that, because people have something they CANNOT share, they probably don't really have it and so, are "full of shit" as the saying goes. Problem is that very often people DID have things they CANNOT share because other people who work for the right owners would know the leak would come from them.

and leaking Titanic's score ?

Bad idea. that's basically asking Sony for the mother of all spanking.

If leaking such a thing would get someone into trouble, fair enough, I understand fully. But why then wave it under peoples noses before calling them c***ts?

That, to me, means horseshit.

If leaking such a thing would get someone into trouble, fair enough, I understand fully. But why then wave it under peoples noses before calling them c***ts?

That, to me, means horseshit.

As of late (or possibly as long as he's been a member here), phantomman86 has been a problem child in various corners of our forum. He only joined in September of this year, but his ego grew so rapidly like very few people I've seen before. He reminds me a bit of myself, maybe, at one point in the past: thinking he rules this forum, and that everybody should bow to him because he can do or has stuff that not many other people can do or have.

Once in a while, he posts stuff which he boasts nobody here has ever seen the likes of and that we should be immensely thankful for what his benevolent spirit has gifted us with (in layman's terms, that means he wants every single person who downloads his stuff to praise him and suck his cyber-dick). If not enough people are expressing their thanks in his threads relative to the number of downloads his files are getting, he will withdraw his links and get all bitchy.

Banning him for this kind of behavior doesn't seem to be the right solution, as when he does leave stuff up posted, usually it has been some unique items. It may just be that he doesn't quite know what right and wrong behavior are for this community. Perhaps our best bet now is to put people like him on our ignore lists and just move on.

I've not read or even noticed any thread he created and have downloaded nothing from him at all.

I threw him on my ignore because I didn't feel like reading his garbage in that lossless Avatar thread.

I couldn't care less if he stays, goes, posts or doesn't post.

I also don't believe that leaking that score will get anyone in trouble simply because the sheer number of scores leaked, especially by a certain someone who was clearly a fan of the show "The Sopranos" was so high, and all of them full unedited scores of a wide variety of popular films. Did he face legal trouble? Do all those scores for such huge movies just not count while Titanic does? I seriously doubt it. Some of them were also Sony titles.

The number of his own shares would easily outweigh Titanic by a massively wide margin. I think it's just a case of it not being available. No one has gotten it out.

althou i've never posted on here before, i have read all the other posts on other topics, and wanted to ask a stupid question.

didn't the two cds cover just about all the music in the film except for a very few minutes?

someone had said that the cds were actually rerecordings, and not the exact music from the film, is that so?

what is so different between the record sessions and the cds?

and i really wanted to know if this is anything: https://hotfile.com/dl/187120733/14aa37d/Titanic_recording_session.mp3.html

i found it digging around on the net. is it real or waht?

althou i've never posted on here before, i have read all the other posts on other topics, and wanted to ask a stupid question.

didn't the two cds cover just about all the music in the film except for a very few minutes?

someone had said that the cds were actually rerecordings, and not the exact music from the film, is that so?

what is so different between the record sessions and the cds?

and i really wanted to know if this is anything: https://hotfile.com/dl/187120733/14aa37d/Titanic_recording_session.mp3.html

i found it digging around on the net. is it real or waht?

.................................. :O

Where did you get that?!

The CDs covered none of the actual music used in the film, it's ALL re-recorded. You can tell if you compare the two and listen very carefully.

It might be real but keep in mind that all of the source music, including that music for the party scene by Gaelic Storm was entirely separate from the score. Horner had no involvement with any of it.

Download TRS.rar from Sendspace.com - send big files the easy way (http://www.sendspace.com/file/qpeeaj)

Just in the case, the recreated score made by FFdream.

so then, its fake?

so then, its fake?

I'm no expert but it seems real enough to me. Perhaps it's an alternate take or something. Can you get more?

yes its an alternate take, another clean cue was posted here before.

Hi all. I've back to the thread. Do u remember me? I found the YouTube video with the complete Southampton cue (in the left channel).

I've recently seen the Titanic Complete Score Petition website. It's an interesting effort which of course I want to support. I'd want to know who made it, because the featured clip on the site got my attention.

That "My Heart Will Go On" clip I believe it's not a demo, or pre-recording, or an alternate take. It's just the center channel of the DTS version of the Original Soundtrack.

This version of the disc which I own comes in a true 5.1 mix featuring the voice and some instruments in the center channels, orchestra instruments in the rear channels, and the rest in the front channels.

Hi all. I've back to the thread. Do u remember me? I found the YouTube video with the complete Southampton cue (in the left channel).

I've recently seen the Titanic Complete Score Petition website. It's an interesting effort which of course I want to support. I'd want to know who made it, because the featured clip on the site got my attention.

That "My Heart Will Go On" clip I believe it's not a demo, or pre-recording, or an alternate take. It's just the center channel of the DTS version of the Original Soundtrack.

This version of the disc which I own comes in a true 5.1 mix featuring the voice and some instruments in the center channels, orchestra instruments in the rear channels, and the rest in the front channels.

I've had the disc for years, and when I first got it I 'disassembled' it and even offered up the center channels as an album here a few years ago.

I made separate 'center' and 'surround' albums because I always found it interesting to hear the music presented in that way - what's there versus what isn't there (such as the almost total lack of the synthesized choir or anything else that was electronic in the center channel, which is why I offered it up as an album so people could hear the orchestra on its own, albeit dominated by Sissel's voice in some cues. I say almost because the synth choir comes in during one segment of 'The Sinking' for a few seconds.)

Also, I needed to do that anyway when I got the disc because I found the surrounds too low and needed to boost the gain on them a little to match the front left / center / right and give a little more power to the LFE for a more immersive listen. Came out fantastic.

Hi all. I've back to the thread. Do u remember me? I found the YouTube video with the complete Southampton cue (in the left channel).

I've recently seen the Titanic Complete Score Petition website. It's an interesting effort which of course I want to support. I'd want to know who made it, because the featured clip on the site got my attention.

That "My Heart Will Go On" clip I believe it's not a demo, or pre-recording, or an alternate take. It's just the center channel of the DTS version of the Original Soundtrack.

This version of the disc which I own comes in a true 5.1 mix featuring the voice and some instruments in the center channels, orchestra instruments in the rear channels, and the rest in the front channels.

If you are talking about the Youtube video showing the New York Arrival cue music, it was me who made that. The movement (website, petition, etc) was started by the member "bandtrumpet7"

Hi all. I've back to the thread. Do u remember me? I found the YouTube video with the complete Southampton cue (in the left channel).

I've recently seen the Titanic Complete Score Petition website. It's an interesting effort which of course I want to support. I'd want to know who made it, because the featured clip on the site got my attention.

That "My Heart Will Go On" clip I believe it's not a demo, or pre-recording, or an alternate take. It's just the center channel of the DTS version of the Original Soundtrack.

This version of the disc which I own comes in a true 5.1 mix featuring the voice and some instruments in the center channels, orchestra instruments in the rear channels, and the rest in the front channels.

I'm the one who made the site and registered the domain and all. As for the My Heart Will Go On clip, it's similar to the center channel, but there's an alternate orchestra specifically between the 2nd and 3rd verses.

Is it Horner's secret recording? I can't say. I can't speak to the veracity of it as I don't remember where I got it (I want to say Imeem -- remember that place?). However, I like to think it is, and even if it's not, it still inspires that feeling of hearing new music. Similar to when I see a new or unpublished picture of the Titanic itself, hearing something "unreleased" or at least rare has a certain thrill to it that I try to capture in the "Featured Clip" place. It's not meant to be the place where new cues come and are featured - it's just music that inspires others to sign the petition.

Will it do any good? I can't say. If the score ever does get a release, I'd like to think I had a part in it (from the website and the efforts I've put into it). But if it doesn't see the light of day, I'm all right with that. Knowing there are others out there who appreciate the score and want to hear the full version is incredibly satisfying.

Oh also, in regards to what JHFan here has mentioned:

I have some other very similar surround sound modifications to the score (they are a little more technical than simply muting or soloing a channel) and they don't make any predictable changes because surround sound mixing is very unpredictable. However, it takes out a lot of synthesized choir stuff, keeps the orchestra and synth bass, and also gets rid of Sissel's voice. Also, it keeps the recorded stuff (such as the orchestra) stereo. I have the entire album in this fashion. The "Take Her To Sea, Mr. Murdoch" song is very cool after the part with the first violins + high mallet instruments when it's just synth bass and percussion. Another cool cue is "Never an Absolution" because you don't hear Sissel, you hear just the french horn doubling her lines.

Oh also, in regards to what JHFan here has mentioned:

I have some other very similar surround sound modifications to the score (they are a little more technical than simply muting or soloing a channel) and they don't make any predictable changes because surround sound mixing is very unpredictable. However, it takes out a lot of synthesized choir stuff, keeps the orchestra and synth bass, and also gets rid of Sissel's voice. Also, it keeps the recorded stuff (such as the orchestra) stereo. I have the entire album in this fashion. The "Take Her To Sea, Mr. Murdoch" song is very cool after the part with the first violins + high mallet instruments when it's just synth bass and percussion. Another cool cue is "Never an Absolution" because you don't hear Sissel, you hear just the french horn doubling her lines.

Could you please share it? It'd be very interesting to hear. :)

Oh also, in regards to what JHFan here has mentioned:

I have some other very similar surround sound modifications to the score (they are a little more technical than simply muting or soloing a channel) and they don't make any predictable changes because surround sound mixing is very unpredictable. However, it takes out a lot of synthesized choir stuff, keeps the orchestra and synth bass, and also gets rid of Sissel's voice. Also, it keeps the recorded stuff (such as the orchestra) stereo. I have the entire album in this fashion. The "Take Her To Sea, Mr. Murdoch" song is very cool after the part with the first violins + high mallet instruments when it's just synth bass and percussion. Another cool cue is "Never an Absolution" because you don't hear Sissel, you hear just the french horn doubling her lines.

I'm not sure what it is you have but the 5.1 mix is as follows:

The front stereo channels contain all the electronics, the center is for Sissel's voice, chimes, percussion and woodwinds, the rear surrounds are for the choir (without electronic rhythms), chimes and orchestral reverb. The LFE needs no explanation.

The song is a little different.

The vocals and Tony Hinnigan's solo kena flute are in the center with a bass line, while the stereo contains virtually everything else. The rears are interesting, because they only contain reverb of the kena flute, a LOT of silence, synthesized strings and the orchestra that comes in during the latter half of the song.

This folder contains the center channel mix. I made it into a fake stereo just to give it a fuller sound.

You can download them here:

http://www.sendspace.com/folder/4d1q1p

Because I had done this a long time ago I didn't include the mixes of the song (since I don't listen to it that way, I did something else with it) but if you want to hear the individual channels of the song I can put those up as well. 'Never an Absolution was pointless as a center mix since it's just silence during the uilleann pipe performance, and the rest is the exact same as 'A Life So Changed'. I removed the opening silence of 'Leaving Port' for the same reason.

What I have involves isolation via phase inversion of the 1/2 and 5/6 channels. (FL/FR and RL/RR respectively)

I can't post it because of James Horner's position with ASCAP and I'm also trying to register with ASCAP, and they are very strict and as a result would probably not let me register or revoke my registration once it happened and they found out about it.. However, I can tell you what to do to get that exact mix.

I can't post it because of James Horner's position with ASCAP and I'm also trying to register with ASCAP, and they are very strict and as a result would probably not let me register or revoke my registration once it happened and they found out about it.. However, I can tell you what to do to get that exact mix.

That's why one uses creative names online rather than their own, especially on this particular forum.

;)

If it involves anything Adobe Audition can do, I'm all ears.

It is a rather foolish thing that I've done, isn't it? (Well, I know I'm not up to anything) but I will tell you how to do it, is there a way I can contact you privately?

is there a way I can contact you privately?

Private Message (PM).

I'm back friends! :) so i talked with suzy, and she was very gentle with me, but about the recordings, she dont know about that because many people has a different role inside the production and more things, but.... She know about the petition, because i sent her the site! Now she get me in contact with james with twitter! And now he know about the petition! I'm not sure he read my message yet, because he's writing avatar 2 and 3, and he read twitter message one time at month! Lol but it's a way, i think we can do it! Just we need to hold on all together, and try to contact any person was involved for the production of the movie, i tryed jon landau! But he didn't answer me! -_- well if i'll get more news you are the first to know! :) ciao.

PS.
Yes if anyone arround this forum have this recording session, he should share it with all us! I dont think anyone would have the time to haunt us as these big rarely respond to a message! he should share with us Just because a moral commitment, and not only say: bla bla bla.
I take this opportunity to say that if someone is afraid to share, then send me a PM as unknown with the recording session, I will share it with my name under my responsibility!
I'm not scared by anyone! I'm scared only by liars.

And enough is enough! next time I'll write to Obama! :D

Thanks for your help Jean Baker. By the way i sent you on facebook a link for the recreated score of titanic.

Thanks for your help Jean Baker. By the way i sent you on facebook a link for the recreated score of titanic.

Hi, theodred! Thanks, but i cant find your post! My real name on facebook is Armando Basso. If anyone wants add me you're welcome.

This is weird anyway, ive posted the link here post n�554

I'm back friends! :) so i talked with suzy, and she was very gentle with me, but about the recordings, she dont know about that because many people has a different role inside the production and more things, but.... She know about the petition, because i sent her the site! Now she get me in contact with james with twitter! And now he know about the petition! I'm not sure he read my message yet, because he's writing avatar 2 and 3, and he read twitter message one time at month! Lol but it's a way, i think we can do it! Just we need to hold on all together, and try to contact any person was involved for the production of the movie, i tryed jon landau! But he didn't answer me! -_- well if i'll get more news you are the first to know! :) ciao.



My real name on facebook is Armando Basso. If anyone wants add me you're welcome.


Unlike some people who like to brag about things with absolutely NO proof whatsoever, but instead just prefer to string others along with elaborate stories which people fall for (and then fall prey to their own paranoia and confusion), the fact that you put yourself out there (offering your REAL facebook page name) and one of the first people visible in your friend list is indeed Suzy Amis, you're probably the ONLY person on this board who actually backs up what he claims.

So thank you for that.

Certain people with numbers in their usernames can learn a thing two, or three, or nineteen hundred and sixty-nine, about a little transparency to back up what they claim since they love to talk so much.

I'm betting some will take offense to that last sentence. Boo-hoo for them. The truth hurts don't it?

Seriously? somebody here has the actual recording sessions and wont share them?coming from youre last statement, i can only assume that.

Good luck, jeanbacker, i hope you are successfull.

A small number of people do claim to have them. They seem to take every opportunity to tell us that they do, but can't (and in at least 1 case, just won't) share the. Yet, even so they continue. Apparently according to one member, he has them, but we are all unworthy cunts, so he won't share. Nice. I feel warm and fuzzy already.

Seriously? somebody here has the actual recording sessions and wont share them?coming from youre last statement, i can only assume that.

Good luck, jeanbacker, i hope you are successfull.

No, you misunderstood what I was hinting at:

I was saying that of all the people who make claims to have the sessions or are trying to contact people who have the right connections, Jeanbaker is the only one so far to prove what he claimed was indeed true: He claimed that he contacted Titanic director Jim Cameron's wife, and when he offered up his facebook name I found him on there and Cameron's wife is on the friends list. So therefore he proved that he did indeed contact Cameron's wife, while no one else who has claimed to have done anything, have access to anything, has yet to prove what they say is true.

That is the difference here.


A small number of people do claim to have them. They seem to take every opportunity to tell us that they do, but can't (and in at least 1 case, just won't) share the. Yet, even so they continue. Apparently according to one member, he has them, but we are all unworthy cunts, so he won't share. Nice. I feel warm and fuzzy already.

I have the Titanic sessions as well. I don't have the "Titantic" sessions though. I don't know what those are. I got them from Horner's representation, the Gorfaine / Schwartz agency. I can't share them either. Not because everyone's a cunt, but because I don't want to be sued. I can't show you a track list or a photo of the DATs they're on or anything at all. But I DO have them. Yep yep yep! I've also been in contact with Simon Franglen and he's going to send me a few mockups of the Spider-Man score he did with the electronic pre-lays.

See how easy it is to make up bullshit?

You're talking about that useless troll phantoman86 or whatever his stupid username is. He's only stirring up lies because of that Avatar thread. You can't seriously believe he has anything of worth do you? I'm surprised he hasn't been banned already for the garbage he spews.

Anyone can claim to have anything. Where's the proof? Doesn't exist because it's just not true.

JH, I don't really believe or disbelieve anyone on this. As I have mentioned, I am not sitting around reading post after post, willing it to be true. I DO believe some have them somewhere, and I can well believe the shit storm that would happen should they get posted. So, I accept that **for now** it just isn't happening. I only wish that the official album had some actual score, but we do not even get that. No matter, I have a ton of Horner I have never even heard yet, so I am good. I have been trying to not comment here as much, as all I have to say is pessimistic. I do applaud the petition's efforts....and I'll leave it at that.

JH, I don't really believe or disbelieve anyone on this. As I have mentioned, I am not sitting around reading post after post, willing it to be true. I DO believe some have them somewhere, and I can well believe the shit storm that would happen should they get posted. So, I accept that **for now** it just isn't happening. I only wish that the official album had some actual score, but we do not even get that.

You don't believe or disbelieve anyone but you do believe some people have them....I'm not sure that makes a lot of sense but I think I get what you're saying.

Also, the only reason anyone thinks that a shitstorm would take place is because a certain someone (who never backed any of his claims up at all) said so. I call that a load of bullshit, just because of the massive number of scores put out there in complete presentations, some of them on the same label as Titanic, and absolutely nothing happened at all. To think those scores somehow don't count is laughable. All those Zimmer and co. scores for the Transformers movies, Pirates movies, Horner's Spider-Man and Avatar, the Zimmer / Howard Batman scores, just to name a select few and the list goes on from there. All of them for massive movies, none of them making a dent in this place or anywhere else.

That same unreliable source who loves to talk is also the one who said none of the score was on the album, only re-recordings. Listening to the album and watching the film easily disproves that.

If there are instrumental / orchestration differences, those are easily found in almost any movie and any score when comparing the two to each other. Doesn't mean for a second that absolutely no score was included on the album. Even typing those words seems silly.

I'm just tired of the lies and want a little transparency. People here love to talk, love to tell stories, so they can give a little proof among all the rambling they love to do.

So ARE there tracks on the album that are true score? I know not maybe film edit, but still....

I just dunno about any of it. I usually pass on reading this thread. I am just sort of..tired of it. I also pass on reading a lot of stories too.....:)

Distant Memories (edited down, and the ending is cut off)

parts of Southampton are edited into the film

Rose (synth choir removed)

Take Her to Sea, Mr. Murdoch (alternate ending mixed with 'album' version of Southampton)

Hard To Starboard (cut down a bit)

Unable To Stay, Unwilling To Leave (uilleann pipes removed)

The Sinking (chopped up but it's the same cue)

Death Of Titanic (chopped up but it's the same cue)

A Promise Kept (ending cut off)

A Life So Changed (cut in half in the film, but intact in the extended version of the scene)

The truly album-exclusive stuff nowhere to be found in the film are:

Never An Absolution - the uilleann pipes opening only, since the remainder is A Life So Changed verbatim

Leaving Port (though the opening string plucking effect is there in the film)

An Ocean Of Memories

Hymn To The Sea (though the ending is edited into the end credit assembly)


So like virtually every single movie in existence with a score, there are examples of the music being edited or instruments taken out of the final mix, but that doesn't mean the music on the album is 100% unused. Again, it's just laughable when the proof comes from watching the film itself and listening to the album itself.


If you want a GREAT example of an album that has a lot of music not present in the film, and the film music not present on the album, that's easy: Courage Under Fire, my now second-favorite Horner score.

Simple, Horner made a soundtrack for cameron, after that cameron liked the official themes, but for the adaptation with the movie, horner re-recorded many tracks with the orchestra and synchronizing in real time with the shoots without music! That's the SCORE! *_* The pieces in the ost are only a first look of official themes presented to Jim, after that, the postproduction and video editing team mixed some pieces from the ost for some scenes! Now. I received a bad feedback in facebook, from someone of these big stuff! Maybe was jon landau! I dont care about this, i'm gentle and educated with all people! Nevermind. :)

I'm not sure you really grasp the actual scoring process (soundtrack albums aren't used in the way you describe for final score, only temp score, and only from other movies since the final music isn't recorded yet) but you're heart is in the right place.

'Album' versions of cues are sometimes edited into their films if they are recorded, like they did with Titanic and Avatar, though with Avatar they weren't used. Easily could have been considering how Cameron likes to butcher music in post. However as my list above explains, only a few examples of the Titanic soundtrack are 'album' versions, but that's not every piece of music on that album.

Well, Cameron did a real hatchet job on Aliens, didn't he. But, Horner does tend to keep working with him.

He does now. But, after Aliens, Horner said he wouldn't work with Cameron again. But then years later, Horner was interested in working on Titanic, so they sat down and talked it over, and ... rest is history.

Does anyone have the DTS 5.1 version of the soundtrack? I have seen above that a folder containing the center channels has been posted but I'd like to see/hear what's on the other channels.. If possible, could someone share it please?

Well, I just got this PM:
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So other people have the recording sessions, so you can seek them out!

And since that other guy on the other thread has pulled perfect tracks from the blue-ray discs, and they sound great, then you should have everything you people ever wanted!

Nuff said, William[/SIZE]

Saying you have the recording sessions and actually having them are two separate things. I can say I have lunch every weekend with James Horner, but that doesn't make it true.

I think a lot of the "recording sessions" out there are the edits that appeared on here, and people believe (or falsely advertise) them as the real deal. I'll believe someone has them when I hear it.

Besides, even if we had perfect 5.1 lossless tracks of all the cues as heard in the film, we'd still be missing alternate takes and unused cues, since the film's music is so heavily edited. So, there's a lot we'd still be wanting :)

So, there may be other people here with the actual recording sessions? I really love the other Titanic thread with the blueray rips, but you are right, bandtrumpet, I would need MORE, LOL.

William, since others have the recording sessions, could you not then share them yourself, please? Anonymously, of course, to avoid trouble. Otherwise, I'd really love a link to the 5.1 tracks. I can't seem to find them anywhere. ;)

There's nothing on the 5.1 tracks that you can't hear on the stereo version.. and if you're listening through stereo speakers, then there isn't any point to it. If there is just orchestra and electric bass on the center channel, then everything else is just electronic elements plus reverb from the orchestra, so it will sound the same.

There's nothing on the 5.1 tracks that you can't hear on the stereo version.. and if you're listening through stereo speakers, then there isn't any point to it. If there is just orchestra and electric bass on the center channel, then everything else is just electronic elements plus reverb from the orchestra, so it will sound the same.

I have to say I completely disagree with that, because the effect of the music in 5.1 is VASTLY superior compared to stereo, at least it is on my customized 5.1 album.

I found the rear channels far too low so I boosted the gain to make them closely match the front stereo channels, and the result is a much more immersive experience especially with the shimmering chime effects heard in "Leaving Port" and "Take Her To Sea, Mr. Murdoch". The DTS CD and obviously the SACD offer the same mix so the rears are far too low in volume by default.

The start in the center and "rise" behind in the rears, and in the case of "Southampton" it's a better mix on the 5.1 version. Note the brass cluster 31 seconds into the cue.

Compare the 5.1 version to the regular stereo release.

The stereo release (like in the end credit edit of the film) mutes the brass so it's hardly noticeable, while the mix on the 5.1 release is bolder, bigger, all around better. It's a very minor moment but it's still a great moment.

I'll post my custom 5.1 DTS album.

Even more than Titanic, "A Beautiful Mind" is a massive improvement in 5.1. Most of the pianos weren't present on the regular stereo CD. I put that up a while back in both 5.1 and remixed stereo.

Whenever I listen to Titanic in stereo, I use my downmix of the 5.1 version since I can't stand the regular stereo CD's mix.

Uploading now...when it's done it'll be in the usual forum, not here in this thread.

On the subject of chimes, does anyone know where James Horner got those sounds from? They don't sound like they were recorded live with the orchestra. I'm really curious where the sample comes from.

The only people who would know are his synthesizer programmers, Ian Underwood and Simon Franglen.

Franglen once said of comparing the electronic work in Avatar to Titanic, and keep in mind Avatar had a LOT more electronic work in it:

"On Titanic I had two tons of gear. On Avatar I had one Mac Pro"

Franglen and Underwood programmed all of the bass line rhythms, pulses and of course the choir for Horner to play back himself on his MIDI keyboards, but as to the specifics of the sound sample libraries, no one knows. They could've been created or modified specifically for the film.

The choirs were from the Spectrasonics "Symphony of Voices" collection (programmed by Eric Persing)

I'm not sure you really grasp the actual scoring process (soundtrack albums aren't used in the way you describe for final score, only temp score, and only from other movies since the final music isn't recorded yet) but you're heart is in the right place.

'Album' versions of cues are sometimes edited into their films if they are recorded, like they did with Titanic and Avatar, though with Avatar they weren't used. Easily could have been considering how Cameron likes to butcher music in post. However as my list above explains, only a few examples of the Titanic soundtrack are 'album' versions, but that's not every piece of music on that album.

What you said isn't entirely true at all either. Composers do concert versions. It's very common. These are also recorded at the recording sessions...but are these part of the final film? Nope. In 99% of cases they're recorded specifically for the CD and never used in the film. It may sound very SIMILAR, but just because they're similar doesn't mean that it's the SAME thing.

Examples:
1.) "The Canyon" from 127 Hours, by A.R. Rahman. The version on the OST is a Concert Version (Featuring a Clarinet) and was never used in the film, therefore it is NOT part of the FILM score, same goes for "Touch of the Sun" on the same Album.
2.) John Williams recorded quite a few theme suites on every one of the Harry Potter films he scored, and his theme suites are what made the CD release rather than the film versions of the respective cues. "Diagon Alley", "Hogwart's Forever", "Fluffy's Harp", "Dobbie The House Elf", "The Chamber of Secrets" are all fine examples of this.

I don't know if you're grasping how film scoring works either. Album Versions are ALBUM versions of the cues that are already scored specifically for the film, they already have a version of the cue for the film at the point the concert versions are recorded. Most cases it's becuase the cues have to be changed from the composers original intentions to work in the film, Another example. Several times during the sessions for Alexandre Desplat's "The Golden Compass" there are several moments where he had to tone down or sometimes lose certain instruments completely because of a dialogue, it happened several times that they had to change some cues "Due to Interference with dialogue of the little girl talking" . That's not something they do in the mixing...USUALLY they record it without that instrument. If they could just record the cue ONCE and mix out certain instruments then why would some sessions have Alternate Versions that simply remove or add another instrument? Unless it's a synth which is super easy to exclude. That's what i've learned anyways.

And, what's to say that what Amanda stated earlier isn't true? That the album doesn't contain any actual score? That has been a common knowledge for years, and sudden you say it's not true?

How many tracks do you think would be on the recording sessions? Do we know, or no?

Cool Soundtrack.:fabulousbatman:

How many tracks do you think would be on the recording sessions? Do we know, or no?

No, we don't know. We could guess, but guessing there are 25 tracks would be as good of a guess as saying there were 76 or 92 tracks.

How many tracks do you think would be on the recording sessions? Do we know, or no?

The people who claim to have them won't even share that information with us. More proof to me that they don't have them at all.

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What you said isn't entirely true at all either. Composers do concert versions. It's very common. These are also recorded at the recording sessions...but are these part of the final film? Nope. In 99% of cases they're recorded specifically for the CD and never used in the film. It may sound very SIMILAR, but just because they're similar doesn't mean that it's the SAME thing.

Examples:
1.) "The Canyon" from 127 Hours, by A.R. Rahman. The version on the OST is a Concert Version (Featuring a Clarinet) and was never used in the film, therefore it is NOT part of the FILM score, same goes for "Touch of the Sun" on the same Album.
2.) John Williams recorded quite a few theme suites on every one of the Harry Potter films he scored, and his theme suites are what made the CD release rather than the film versions of the respective cues. "Diagon Alley", "Hogwart's Forever", "Fluffy's Harp", "Dobbie The House Elf", "The Chamber of Secrets" are all fine examples of this.

Yeah, and Horner did the same with "Zorro's Theme" for the Mask Of Zorro, along with an album (call it concert if you want but essentially it's the same basic idea - used for the album and possibly concert, not meant for the film) version of "Climbing up Ikinimaya" from Avatar. Southampton is the same thing, though elements of it were edited into the final film score.

I'm not going as far as to say they are "never" used in the film, since again, parts of "Southampton" were. "Zorro's Theme" plays over the end credits of that film. It's a 'concert' version and it's in the film.

Not every film score has album / concert versions recorded, and yes, some that are do end up in their films usually edited in some form. Are they taking CDs and sticking them in like what jeanbaker said? Obviously not. That was my point.




I don't know if you're grasping how film scoring works either. Album Versions are ALBUM versions of the cues that are already scored specifically for the film, they already have a version of the cue for the film at the point the concert versions are recorded. Most cases it's becuase the cues have to be changed from the composers original intentions to work in the film, Another example. Several times during the sessions for Alexandre Desplat's "The Golden Compass" there are several moments where he had to tone down or sometimes lose certain instruments completely because of a dialogue, it happened several times that they had to change some cues "Due to Interference with dialogue of the little girl talking" . That's not something they do in the mixing...USUALLY they record it without that instrument. If they could just record the cue ONCE and mix out certain instruments then why would some sessions have Alternate Versions that simply remove or add another instrument? Unless it's a synth which is super easy to exclude. That's what i've learned anyways.

And, what's to say that what Amanda stated earlier isn't true? That the album doesn't contain any actual score? That has been a common knowledge for years, and sudden you say it's not true?


It's not like you're telling me anything I don't already know. Your examples are just as true as mine: in many cases elements are just taken out in post, because everything is recorded on literally dozens of tracks. Sometimes yes, they'll record one without a certain instrument, but when that occurs it's usually more than just one minor change like that. The alternates on "Karate Kid" are a good example of that.


Want to hear it from the experts?

Here you go:

Avatar Sound Panel - SoundWorks Collection Exclusive on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/9480589)

This is a panel discussion about creating and editing Avatar's sound mix, including the score and how it was integrated into the mix. It's about 47 minutes long and very informative. I recommend it to anyone, regardless of whether they're an Avatar fan or not because it's just an interesting topic.

Want to take a wild guess as to what they say about musical elements clashing with sound or dialogue elements?

Sometimes alternates are recorded and neither end up in the film. Jim Cameron's movies are perfect examples.

That film version of "Climbing up Ikinimaya" was still post-edited in the film anyway.

ONE person who uses a number in his username has said that the album doesn't contain any score.

One.

That doesn't come close to "common knowledge for years".

Does that mean that because "Rose" in the film omits the synthesized choir that it's an entirely separate piece of music than what's on the album? Hardly. It's the exact same music from a compositional standpoint. Nothing is different. It's not longer or shorter. One electronic element was removed. That's all, and as you said about synth elements, very easy to do.

Unless they're recorded "live" the way Goldsmith and Poledouris did with the orchestra. Exceptions to every rule.

"Unable To Stay, Unwilling to Leave" omits the uilleann pipes in the film but they're on the album.

I'm fully capable of listening and paying attention to both the album and the film.

Titanic is a good example of both album version recordings and simple instrumental omissions.

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The people who claim to have them won't even share that information with us. More proof to me that they don't have them at all.

You're not wrong ;)

Yeah, and Horner did the same with "Zorro's Theme" for the Mask Of Zorro, along with an album (call it concert if you want but essentially it's the same basic idea - used for the album and possibly concert, not meant for the film) version of "Climbing up Ikinimaya" from Avatar. Southampton is the same thing, though elements of it were edited into the final film score.

I'm not going as far as to say they are "never" used in the film, since again, parts of "Southampton" were. "Zorro's Theme" plays over the end credits of that film. It's a 'concert' version and it's in the film.

Not every film score has album / concert versions recorded, and yes, some that are do end up in their films usually edited in some form. Are they taking CDs and sticking them in like what jeanbaker said? Obviously not. That was my point.





It's not like you're telling me anything I don't already know. Your examples are just as true as mine: in many cases elements are just taken out in post, because everything is recorded on literally dozens of tracks. Sometimes yes, they'll record one without a certain instrument, but when that occurs it's usually more than just one minor change like that. The alternates on "Karate Kid" are a good example of that.


Want to hear it from the experts?

Here you go:

Avatar Sound Panel - SoundWorks Collection Exclusive on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/9480589)

This is a panel discussion about creating and editing Avatar's sound mix, including the score and how it was integrated into the mix. It's about 47 minutes long and very informative. I recommend it to anyone, regardless of whether they're an Avatar fan or not because it's just an interesting topic.

Want to take a wild guess as to what they say about musical elements clashing with sound or dialogue elements?

Sometimes alternates are recorded and neither end up in the film. Jim Cameron's movies are perfect examples.

That film version of "Climbing up Ikinimaya" was still post-edited in the film anyway.

ONE person who uses a number in his username has said that the album doesn't contain any score.

One.

That doesn't come close to "common knowledge for years".

Does that mean that because "Rose" in the film omits the synthesized choir that it's an entirely separate piece of music than what's on the album? Hardly. It's the exact same music from a compositional standpoint. Nothing is different. It's not longer or shorter. One electronic element was removed. That's all, and as you said about synth elements, very easy to do.

Unless they're recorded "live" the way Goldsmith and Poledouris did with the orchestra. Exceptions to every rule.

"Unable To Stay, Unwilling to Leave" omits the uilleann pipes in the film but they're on the album.

I'm fully capable of listening and paying attention to both the album and the film.

Titanic is a good example of both album version recordings and simple instrumental omissions.

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You're not wrong ;)

Yup I'm just completely wrong aren't I? All the time.

There has been FAR more than ONE person state that. I'm sure there are many people here who were under the sand notion that the album didn't contain any score. I didn't make it up I heard proof elsewhere. So far more than one.

Again it's not that hard to do the exact same thing in a different cue. The end of "Super 8 Suite" from Super 8 sounds A LOT like "Letting Go" but it's not. "Chez Olaf" sounds like almost the same performance as "Stephano" from Lemony Snicket, but it's not. "Lachrymose Ferry" sounds A LOT like "Take Them Mr. Poe" but it's still not the same performance.

Compositionally yes it sounds the same. We're not saying you can't find any of the themes on the album. We're saying the film performance is not present. Because it isn't.

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Yeah, and Horner did the same with "Zorro's Theme" for the Mask Of Zorro, along with an album (call it concert if you want but essentially it's the same basic idea - used for the album and possibly concert, not meant for the film) version of "Climbing up Ikinimaya" from Avatar. Southampton is the same thing, though elements of it were edited into the final film score.

I'm not going as far as to say they are "never" used in the film, since again, parts of "Southampton" were. "Zorro's Theme" plays over the end credits of that film. It's a 'concert' version and it's in the film.

Not every film score has album / concert versions recorded, and yes, some that are do end up in their films usually edited in some form. Are they taking CDs and sticking them in like what jeanbaker said? Obviously not. That was my point.





It's not like you're telling me anything I don't already know. Your examples are just as true as mine: in many cases elements are just taken out in post, because everything is recorded on literally dozens of tracks. Sometimes yes, they'll record one without a certain instrument, but when that occurs it's usually more than just one minor change like that. The alternates on "Karate Kid" are a good example of that.


Want to hear it from the experts?

Here you go:

Avatar Sound Panel - SoundWorks Collection Exclusive on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/9480589)

This is a panel discussion about creating and editing Avatar's sound mix, including the score and how it was integrated into the mix. It's about 47 minutes long and very informative. I recommend it to anyone, regardless of whether they're an Avatar fan or not because it's just an interesting topic.

Want to take a wild guess as to what they say about musical elements clashing with sound or dialogue elements?

Sometimes alternates are recorded and neither end up in the film. Jim Cameron's movies are perfect examples.

That film version of "Climbing up Ikinimaya" was still post-edited in the film anyway.

ONE person who uses a number in his username has said that the album doesn't contain any score.

One.

That doesn't come close to "common knowledge for years".

Does that mean that because "Rose" in the film omits the synthesized choir that it's an entirely separate piece of music than what's on the album? Hardly. It's the exact same music from a compositional standpoint. Nothing is different. It's not longer or shorter. One electronic element was removed. That's all, and as you said about synth elements, very easy to do.

Unless they're recorded "live" the way Goldsmith and Poledouris did with the orchestra. Exceptions to every rule.

"Unable To Stay, Unwilling to Leave" omits the uilleann pipes in the film but they're on the album.

I'm fully capable of listening and paying attention to both the album and the film.

Titanic is a good example of both album version recordings and simple instrumental omissions.

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You're not wrong ;)

Yup I'm just completely wrong aren't I? All the time.

There has been FAR more than ONE person state that. I'm sure there are many people here who were under the sand notion that the album didn't contain any score. I didn't make it up I heard proof elsewhere. So far more than one.

Again it's not that hard to do the exact same thing in a different cue. The end of "Super 8 Suite" from Super 8 sounds A LOT like "Letting Go" but it's not. "Chez Olaf" sounds like almost the same performance as "Stephano" from Lemony Snicket, but it's not. "Lachrymose Ferry" sounds A LOT like "Take Them Mr. Poe" but it's still not the same performance.

Compositionally yes it sounds the same. We're not saying you can't find any of the t



hemes on the album. We're saying the film performance is not present. Because it isn't.

You keep saying PARTS of it were used in the film. Okay. Well it's still not the version of the cue made for the film. there's a difference in an Album Track that was used in the film, and the FILM VERSION

Yup I'm just completely wrong aren't I? All the time.

There has been FAR more than ONE person state that. I'm sure there are many people here who were under the sand notion that the album didn't contain any score. I didn't make it up I heard proof elsewhere. So far more than one.


You keep saying PARTS of it were used in the film. Okay. Well it's still not the version of the cue made for the film. there's a difference in an Album Track that was used in the film, and the FILM VERSION

You did notice that when I said "you're not wrong" I was not referring to you, right?

Did you see that quote I made?

Going by your reply I'm guessing not.

If anything I'm saying WE ARE BOTH RIGHT.

Back up that one person's claim by listing those who have said the album doesn't contain any score.

Go ahead. I'm not talking about people who just agreed with Mr.1969 either. He didn't prove it. You heard proof elsewhere? Okay, was it on a message board like this?

Little hard to call it proof then if they didn't back it up. Let's see some non-message board claim as proof. An article with a record exec or something.

That's all, a little proof.

The difference between you and me is I'm not willing to take what someone says at face value without proving it. I provided some proof about how musical elements are removed editorially by linking that video for you (or anyone) to watch.

Also, I don't accept things at face value like that when I can just use my ears and listen myself.

Of course I'm saying parts of album versions are in the film, because music is edited all the time. Edited = parts taken out, parts used instead of others. Cameron's films more than others feature scores that have been literally butchered and cobbled together. Do you really think those edits aren't edits, but rather re-recordings made to fit film? That's beyond lunacy. And you say I don't know these things work...right.
The "film version" of Southampton is edited in the film. Parts of the album version appear later on, edited into the 'Leaving Port' and 'Take Her To Sea' / end credit sequences.


Have fun with this. I don't feel like going in circles here. There's no point. Waste of time.

Do you really think those edits aren't edits, but rather re-recordings made to fit film? That's beyond lunacy. And you say I don't know these things work...right.

It could be both though sometimes.

I don't want to jump into the line of fire here, but I have a question. I agree that most cues are edited together, that makes sense. "Take Her To Sea, Mr. Murdoch" and "Hard to Starboard" as heard in the film are indeed edited. I'm not sure about Southampton though. The two lower notes vs. the three could be an edit, but the drums in the film version sound different than the album version. With the recent score snippet that surfaced, especially with the "fanfare" opening, I'm inclined to think that there was a separate film version recorded for the film (both for the transition to 1912 and leaving port sequences, although of course they're two separate cues/tracks).

What's the general consensus: do you think the "Southampton" theme in the film was an alternate take, or an edit of the album version?

The point is fairly moot, but it's interesting to discuss.

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Ugh, I was combing the internet for the recording sessions despite the overwhelming odds and the fact that expecting to just stumble upon it is both stupid and unrealistic. I saw an interesting result show up in increasing frequency on Google after about page 50, detailing that a result had been removed as a result of some US copyright act, which I thought was curious. I wish someone would just anonymously share the sessions; what's the worst that can happen?

Well scorepranos seems to have it, so if anyone if willing to sale his or her soul for that...

I don't want to jump into the line of fire here, but I have a question. I agree that most cues are edited together, that makes sense. "Take Her To Sea, Mr. Murdoch" and "Hard to Starboard" as heard in the film are indeed edited. I'm not sure about Southampton though. The two lower notes vs. the three could be an edit, but the drums in the film version sound different than the album version. With the recent score snippet that surfaced, especially with the "fanfare" opening, I'm inclined to think that there was a separate film version recorded for the film (both for the transition to 1912 and leaving port sequences, although of course they're two separate cues/tracks).

What's the general consensus: do you think the "Southampton" theme in the film was an alternate take, or an edit of the album version?

The point is fairly moot, but it's interesting to discuss.

Listen to it and the answer is obvious.

There is absolutely NO debate whatsoever that "Southampton" was entirely different in the film versus the album. None. Zero. I could go on but you get the point.

The film version is a fully developed orchestral cue (though it is edited down a bit for time) while the album is basically a stripped-down, simplified version in typical A-B-A song form. Parts of this album version do appear in the film, just later on: the film version of the "leaving port" sequence has chunks of 'Southampton' in the latter half, and of course we all know the 'King of the world' / end credit edit.

However that does not apply to every cue. That is one example of an obvious difference.

Gotcha...I misread a previous post as suggesting that Southampton was edited from the album version. Oops :-P

Gotcha...I misread a previous post as suggesting that Southampton was edited from the album version. Oops :-P

Nope, and no problem here. :)

Even the crappy-quality YouTube rip of the film version is worth having just because of how different (I'd say vastly superior) to the album version of the music. Better than nothing and better than DVD-ripped splicings.

I tryed to write sony atv harmony how will much cost the rights for the private playback of the score, i'm waiting for response, maybe the license for the private domestic use is not too expensive! Well we see if they will answer me back!......one day! XD

Intime i'm thinking to another way, you know for the dubbing and voiceover, productions sends the master tracks to other country, i'm trying to contact a person that dubbed the italian version of titanic, bcause the clean master is without voice and sfx, all things are in different channels, but i'ts only an idea, i will see what can i do.

@jeanbaker That would be pretty awesome to have a master mix of the film with no vocals (not even surround vocal echos) in it. Haha, I could make my own dub of the film!

I tryed to write sony atv harmony how will much cost the rights for the private playback of the score, i'm waiting for response, maybe the license for the private domestic use is not too expensive! Well we see if they will answer me back!......one day! XD

Intime i'm thinking to another way, you know for the dubbing and voiceover, productions sends the master tracks to other country, i'm trying to contact a person that dubbed the italian version of titanic, bcause the clean master is without voice and sfx, all things are in different channels, but i'ts only an idea, i will see what can i do.

Very clever idea! Good luck

I tryed to write sony atv harmony how will much cost the rights for the private playback of the score, i'm waiting for response, maybe the license for the private domestic use is not too expensive! Well we see if they will answer me back!......one day! XD
They won't sell them for private use.


Intime i'm thinking to another way, you know for the dubbing and voiceover, productions sends the master tracks to other country, i'm trying to contact a person that dubbed the italian version of titanic, bcause the clean master is without voice and sfx, all things are in different channels, but i'ts only an idea, i will see what can i do.
No, dub-tracks are premixed, only the vocals are missing. You can see what this looks like on the isolated music/sfx track on the Chicken Run DVD/Bluray.

I've improved my film edit of "Take Her to Sea, Mr Murdoch" and I think it sounds quite good. Anyone else care to give it a listen and provide some feedback?

Download link (https://mega.co.nz/#!QFF3XBBT!Se6pyRtLwFh8z-cGYBkISxql1zwXVfTiJrcr5ilwCtA).

I've improved my film edit of "Take Her to Sea, Mr Murdoch" and I think it sounds quite good. Anyone else care to give it a listen and provide some feedback?

Download link (https://mega.co.nz/#!QFF3XBBT!Se6pyRtLwFh8z-cGYBkISxql1zwXVfTiJrcr5ilwCtA).

Permission Denied.
""Take Her To Sea, Mr. Murdoch"" by Unspecified can be downloaded from one of these fine retailers.

Permission Denied.
""Take Her To Sea, Mr. Murdoch"" by Unspecified can be downloaded from one of these fine retailers.

Alright, changed websites.

Alright, changed websites.

Thank

Thank

How is it?

Lower the gain. BIG time.

It's full of clipping.

Otherwise it's seamless.

I made one a while back in 5.1 but I didn't bother including it with my custom DTS CD.

I didn't cut it down like you did though, I just replaced the latter half with the end credit edit.

Fixed it, thanks! :)

reddit: the front page of the internet (http://www.reddit.com/) Hypothetically speaking, what kind of power could a website like Reddit have in terms of helping a community like ours get what we seek. Scientists have used crowd-sourcing as a way to solve problems, figure out portions of human DNA and study space. What if we presented ourselves to a community such as the many found on Reddit? Here, there are only small numbers of us, but out there, there are many people.

Reddit is a possibility. It wouldn't hurt to ask around of some of the music subreddits.

I've improved my film edit of "Take Her to Sea, Mr Murdoch" and I think it sounds quite good. Anyone else care to give it a listen and provide some feedback?

Download link (https://mega.co.nz/#!QFF3XBBT!Se6pyRtLwFh8z-cGYBkISxql1zwXVfTiJrcr5ilwCtA).

Nice!:)

I just read 25 pages of this thread...

Mind. Overflowing. Must. Stop. Thinking.

(throws on Phantom of the Paradise)

Ok. Mind is blank now... that wasn't so hard, was it?

Er... sorry. Thanks for the nice posts with the backstory and enthusiasm. As far as these old posts about there being actual master DATs that are just sitting there... how about a picture of them and something else as proof? Just sayin'

You're right!

I wonder how its going for jeanbaker!

I hope it's going alright; we've had no news or updates in a terribly long time.

Well scorepranos seems to have it, so if anyone if willing to sale his or her soul for that...

Is this confirmed?

No, it's not confirmed...
he only said he had it in a thread...

It was all talk. He only said it after the whole kgray explosion back at the end of January. I think it was just to kake people upset about it. He also claimed to have Inception. Now that, I can believe. But Titanic? Nope. I honestly do not believe he or anyone on here has it. It's all bullshit.

Or not. Who knows. But, does knowing **for sure** even really matter? He (or whoever) is still not going to be willing to post it publicly, and with recent leaks, he has made clear he will not share even privately beyond a very trusted few. Perhaps he does have it, perhaps even has traded. Who knows. But that score is still highly valued and sensitive, so it is unlikely to get leaked. Unless someone is really brave (or stupid) and never wants to deal again. BUT, in the meanwhile, there are other Horner gems to be had. Amazing Spidey complete in flac, Apollo 13 sessions, Perfect Storm complete..all flac, and rumors of at least one other. So, while waiting for Titanic, go fetch the other, more obtainable ones....

I spoke with scorepranos sometime ago and by offering him a valuable item he trapped himself, he doesnt have it at all and I think no one here has it even the most " powerful " ones.

I spoke with scorepranos sometime ago and by offering him a valuable item he trapped himself, he doesnt have it at all and I think no one here has it even the most " powerful " ones.

Exactly. Like I said, he's all talk, trying to sound all high and mighty. He's not a God like most people here think he is. He only has what he has access to, and I don't think he has access to it.

No, and I am...upset with some of his friends, if not him. I have had no contact from him, so....not sure. And I have acted out of frustration. But certainly, no, not a God. And the idea of "powerful" is silly. It is simply a matter of happening to have access or not. Aside from Titanic, Inception, and Last Samurai, many of our collective grails have surfaced. Not all, but a lot. Look, a couple of months ago we were told that thanks to kgray, no more stuff would get shared. But, look at the last month. How many complete sessions, promos or whatever have been posted? Or such threads dug up and reposted? I'd say this was a spark to others to post. Are they "powerful"? Just happen to have things handy. Do not lose hope for Inception or Samurai, I know there are those close to us who claim to have it. I say claim, because some used the excuse of recent leaks to back out of deals. But, I do know they are out there, nearer than thought. Titanic, however, I think is a very unlikely item. Three people? here claimed to have it, one cannot back that up, one refuses to discuss it, and I never believed the other. (no names..). I just don't see it happening. It has gained this sort of mythology around it. Even IF someone were to find it, most likely they'd hold onto that for something terribly valuable, or try to make a profit on e-bay.

But, back to my original comment, I may not like the way things have gone down considering the leaks, accusations about me, or comments I made back. I will be clear. I acted out of hurt, I regret, and apologize for any rude remarks. I say this because while I do not think we should "worship" scorpranos, neither should we demonize him. He has never personally commented to me, so. What I mean I guess is that perhaps we should not remain divisive, and maybe work a little more together? This current climate, while not stopping leaks, may indeed be freezing some out. Ones only someone with access can share. But rifht now, if you share, you get attacked. If you don't, you get attacked. Something's gotta give on this. Anyhoo, back to bed with this virus I've got. Probably the fever. I shall wake up and get back to offending soon....

No, and I am...upset with some of his friends, if not him. I have had no contact from him, so....not sure. And I have acted out of frustration. But certainly, no, not a God. And the idea of "powerful" is silly. It is simply a matter of happening to have access or not. Aside from Titanic, Inception, and Last Samurai, many of our collective grails have surfaced. Not all, but a lot. Look, a couple of months ago we were told that thanks to kgray, no more stuff would get shared. But, look at the last month. How many complete sessions, promos or whatever have been posted? Or such threads dug up and reposted? I'd say this was a spark to others to post. Are they "powerful"? Just happen to have things handy. Do not lose hope for Inception or Samurai, I know there are those close to us who claim to have it. I say claim, because some used the excuse of recent leaks to back out of deals. But, I do know they are out there, nearer than thought. Titanic, however, I think is a very unlikely item. Three people? here claimed to have it, one cannot back that up, one refuses to discuss it, and I never believed the other. (no names..). I just don't see it happening. It has gained this sort of mythology around it. Even IF someone were to find it, most likely they'd hold onto that for something terribly valuable, or try to make a profit on e-bay.

But, back to my original comment, I may not like the way things have gone down considering the leaks, accusations about me, or comments I made back. I will be clear. I acted out of hurt, I regret, and apologize for any rude remarks. I say this because while I do not think we should "worship" scorpranos, neither should we demonize him. He has never personally commented to me, so. What I mean I guess is that perhaps we should not remain divisive, and maybe work a little more together? This current climate, while not stopping leaks, may indeed be freezing some out. Ones only someone with access can share. But rifht now, if you share, you get attacked. If you don't, you get attacked. Something's gotta give on this. Anyhoo, back to bed with this virus I've got. Probably the fever. I shall wake up and get back to offending soon....

Indeed and well if we can work together to get stuff why not? but getting some of these grails is going to be hard. As I said weeks ago, the problem is that this forum doesnt give a shit about petitions ( which are most of the time useless but still ) we made for Harry Potter and more. My idea would be to launch a massive email attack or something like this to Watertower Records and Sony in the case of titanic. But for that we have to set a plan.

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Dafuq?
How could you have been told that they are out there if they arent not officially supposed to be.

Dafuq?
How could you have been told that they are out there if they arent not officially supposed to be.

It's called having work contacts. Anyway, I've removed my comment so as not to harm the ongoing negotiations, which it could have potentially done given this forum is searchable via google.

Just tell me is there a chance to see one of them soon on ebay or something similar?

Just tell me is there a chance to see one of them soon on ebay or something similar?

Definitely not via eBay initially, more via 'pm' on here before actually being posted.

Definitely not via eBay initially, more via 'pm' on here before actually being posted.

But there is a chance that some of us will finally be able to... get our ears on it? Sometime soon? :D

Definitely not via eBay initially, more via 'pm' on here before actually being posted.

:colbert:

You have given me hope, sir.

I used to have something productive to say in this thread.

Maybe in the future I will again. Until then, I'll enjoy said Horner scores Amanda mentioned. That "other" Horner score about a real life event with a sinking boat for example, is something I've been enjoying almost nonstop from the moment I got it and that was weeks ago.

JH, there may yet be another......blackened, yet still golden, expanding out there somewhere...

Not that expanded, but a nice enough listen. I don't know how complete it is because I saw the film last year and don't remember much of it.

I would be interested in examining the specimen.

Just found out the 20th anniversary re-release soundtrack for Jurassic Park includes a few new tracks...man,
Sony really dropped the ball on this one. They had such a great opportunity...

Guess we'll see in four years' time.

Today is Sunday, 14 April 2013 and tomorrow is Monday, 15 April 2013, the 101th anniversary of the sinking, and even the days are aligned! I wonder if any new information about the sessions will come to light tonight.

I'm afraid there's no news really.
It seems Scorepranos doesn't even have it...

Today is Sunday, 14 April 2013 and tomorrow is Monday, 15 April 2013, the 101th anniversary of the sinking, and even the days are aligned! I wonder if any new information about the sessions will come to light tonight.

There may be no news, but I'll still be watching the film tonight to "celebrate".

Hey, folks!

I keep following this thread, despite the lack of news or hope about a complete score or recording sessions of "Titanic". I also "commemorated" in my way the night of 14th to 15th April.

I also made a kind of "check up" with all the tracks and materials we have and, for this, I based upon the tracklist supposed to make an exhaustive summary of the cues (See the following link to consult the tracklist : Filmtracks: Titanic (Complete?) Cue List (http://www.filmtracks.com/scoreboard/index.cgi?read=39140))

So, I gathered and assembled all the tracks, cues, materials I had (Official tracks, I Salonisti, Jean Baker's work, some YouTube montages, some DVDrip) and I even tried to make somes montages with my very littles skills on Audacity. Finally, I obtain this tracklist :

(http://thefloodinitiative.ebboard.com/image/98/e/1/6/titanicb-3d90fe4.jpg.htm)

CAPTION :
[O] => Official Sountrack
[JB] => Jean Baker
[YT] => YouTube
[Montage] => Montage of my own
[#] => DVDrip with few or reduced SFX
[##] => DVDrip with many or all SFX
[MM] => Missing Material on this track

There are 64 tracks for 2h26 of music. 1h28 if you don't count "I Salonisti" cues. 1h16 if you don't count cues with many SFX. We really can thank Jean Baker because without him, we would not have the best tracks ("Southampton", "Departure", "Take her to sea", "The Sinking", "Trapped in D Deck", "The End", in good quality and nearly film version). Better than nothing, I suppose...

Missing Materials? Did not you use the recreated score for the wreck?

Do you mean these tracks, made by "Hollygood"?

Titanic Original Score ? Inside the Wreck - James Horner - 1997 ? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icV-Ydb2-d8)

Titanic Original Score ? The Wreck - James Horner - 1997 ? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vcBxeOHxaU)

If yes, I do have them, but they are not very close to what we really hear in the movie...

no the recreated score posted on the forum . look with the search bar

Wow, I was not aware of this work! I made a research and I found the thread about the recreated score. This is very impressive. I had to search on YouTube because the links on the threads are all dead and I can't download then. But what I found on YouTube is really good. Thanks, theodred27!

i can upload it if you want?

It would be very kind of you! ;)

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Thanks a lot, Theodred27!

The Wreck part souds really great!

I speak for many people in hope that these sessions will be available one day here. Anyone know any news regarding the sessions or do you think that just one day that there would be a possibility of these sessions to be found?

No. No news. It would be hard to miss if there were. Speaking only personally, I do not thing there is any chance whatsoever of this leaking.

I think there are people (elitists I guess) that have it but it will remain an elite score and never leaked that way, not that it will never get leaked at all by falling into anyone's hands. It's just that no one will ever share it.

Just gotta keep the faith.

Or, relax. Forget about it and concentrate on other music. Then, if it shows it will be a pleasant surprise. I do not think it ever will publically though. The backlash to sharing leaks on this site is just too much. I know. I have lost friends over some of mine. And been accused of more. People I cared about do not talk to me anymore. Not even considering access to materials. You have all seen it. So WHY would anyone nuke THIS bridge if they get it?

Well, thanks to people like jeanbaker, at least we have some pretty good film-edits of the majority of the best pieces from the film. Better than nothing at all.

It's.....it's...soooo....spammy :awsm:

gotta love the randomness!

You are in the wrong show man

Spammy Twas here, but mods ..err...despammed...:) Sort a like Spam-Away, or Spam Be Gone...:)

Does anybody check back here just to get their hopes up——to no avail?

I check but no avail :( Wish the rest of the "recreated" score would surface. That was really good.

I hold out hope that my petition will one day take off, haha.

I subscribe to this thread and each new email piques my interest, but I know it's not going to magically fall in my lap. I'm optimistic though; I feel like one day - eventually - I'll be able to hear it, or it'll be licensed and released by Intrada/LLL.

I already pointed out the laziness of the people here to get stuff but what we could do is to spam ( all of us ) sony music and ask for something to be done .

It's been repeated ad nauseam. Sony refuses to license the score to anyone. La-La Land already tried for it and were turned down a long time ago.

It's been repeated ad nauseam. Sony refuses to license the score to anyone. La-La Land already tried for it and were turned down a long time ago.

I'd really like to know why. There's a big opportunity to earn some cash and they don't do it, is it for some obscure reason I can't imagine or are they just plain stupid?

I'd really like to know why. There's a big opportunity to earn some cash and they don't do it, is it for some obscure reason I can't imagine or are they just plain stupid?

They made it plain as day: money. Sony doesnt want to spend the money (the re-use fees involved with any film score recorded with the unionized musicians in Los Angeles) especially for what would be a limited niche market product. That's why they released that "Anniversary Edition" instead with the same two albums, source music but no additional score. They didn't have to spend anything on that aside from some so-called remastering.

But as I said, this has been repeated ad nauseam already. It's all over this thread.


See?

http://forums.ffshrine.org/f2/titanic-music-recording-sessions-discussion-thread-110325/2.html#post1945176

For Christ's sake people, we finally have a clean thread to start over on that isn't mislabeled or anything of the sort.

I'm assuming you came from the link I provided in the other thread. If you haven't come from there, then welcome to the Titanic Music/Recording Sessions Discussion Thread. This thread is for discussing the music of Titanic written by James Horner and all of its dirty secrets until the time comes (and even after that I suppose) when Williamtaylor1969 gets around to receiving approval to release the Recording Sessions for Titanic that he owns. He has stated that he will release these Recording Sessions when he can do said action without compromising his career (hence "receiving approval").

Good luck and lets not totally trash this thread with off topic crap about magical rainbows and ponies (unless it relates to Titanic of course). =)

Here we go everyone... Begin!

Good start! lets get started!!

They made it plain as day: money. Sony doesnt want to spend the money (the re-use fees involved with any film score recorded with the unionized musicians in Los Angeles) especially for what would be a limited niche market product.

When LLL showed interest in it (and they would have paid the fees), they said no. So no real reason for me.

Doesn't matter how real the reason is to anyone. That's basically the point. Sucks, but that's the way it is.

Well, I'm grateful for all the fan edits!

A great new edit of the final music from TITANIC!

Titanic Soundtrack ~ Finale ~ Complete/Extended Film Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucrhJNC8p3Q)

I'd like some criticism.. as many of you know I'm working on my version of the score in the film in order to raise awareness of the unreleased music. I've started dissecting Southampton (CD version) in order to get a basic understanding of the music and production so I can then turn that into the film version. Note: NONE of this is the originally recorded score or even the CD score, this is all my produced by me with computer and MIDI software instruments.. I think I made a very close version! Let me know what you guys think. (Again, this is 100% computer-generated music)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6499291/SR5.mp3

Hi, you did a very good job sequencing that. I create music using MIDI too and what you did was great!

thats a good start shane.

James Horner gave a new interview to the CCN about Titanic score. There are
excerpts from Titanic Recording Sessions.
New CNN Interview with James Horner | Film Music Reporter (http://filmmusicreporter.com/2012/04/12/new-cnn-interview-with-james-horner/)

As usual, an interview that almost deals with only Celine Dion and her f*** song! The persons who have the great honor to interview composers are NEVER specialists or never know enough the world of film scores, so they ask stupid ou typical questions, but never interesting or burning questions! The obvious was to ask if one day there will be the complete score released! But, no, it's so better to ask about Celine... always the same sh***!

Well, the interviewers want to talk about something that's going to appeal to a mass audience. Most viewers will only know or recognize My Heart Will Go On, not the complete score. Also, I don't think Horner can control whether or not the score is released or licensed; his answer would probably be as good as our guesses.

As a side note, the footage says it's from "Making 'Titanic'", is that a documentary somewhere? I've only seen brief clips of the recording sessions, and there isn't a documentary on the Blu ray or DVD releAses with that footage.

Indeed this is the exact same shit that has been shown since 1998. For the documentary I guess its something that aired on TV after the release but its has now been lost.

Well that's just frustrating! D:

Titanic soundtrack~Southampton Dock~as heard in the film
TITANIC Score: Southampton (Movie Version-Unreleased Track) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L_UdsW8H54)

Nobody out there in the general public cares at all about a complete score. They bought the OST. Mostly for the song (which I like) and partly for the film music. But, trying to explain to them it's NOT the music is ....well, just won't fly. Trying to explain that there is music not on the album, and why it should be is folly. And, trying to convince them that they should by a 30 or 40 dollar set of "complete" scores is a waste of time. And that is why we will never see this set, and why no reporter is gonna be bothered.

You're definetely right, Amanda!

I just wish - in vain - people were less casual about OST and scores in general. To me, it's the greatest musical genre and it's the most ignored, despised, unknown, nobody (or almost) cares about it! Sometimes, it even seems that the composers themselves don't give a shit or don't realize the genius of what they do (well, that is good news for their modesty!).

Can we SFX throw on the right channel and the music on the left, like in this video?
TITANIC BEHIND SCENES : PART 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdHlowwUPzI)

It says check out the full video after the jump. I don't get it.

I have some kind of Titanic Collection Score which lasts 4h, Im wondering how many hours of horner's music are featured in the movie.[COLOR="Silver"]

I have some kind of Titanic Collection Score which lasts 4h, Im wondering how many hours of horner's music are featured in the movie.

Not sure. I'm guessing about 3. There are a lot of suites and unused/alt cues too. Not sure how much time those account for though. Whats your tracklist? Is it a fan edit (one of the many going around) or something else?

I have a complete score that features all the music execpt the music that plays when rose looks for jack and the cue and the opening title that has some sfx. Otherwise my edition contains recreated score + movie version + alt recreated score + album version + back to titanic + I Salonisti.

I made a 'complete' cue list a while back, you can add up all the times to get how much music was used in the film: Filmtracks: Titanic (Complete?) Cue List (http://www.filmtracks.com/scoreboard/index.cgi?read=39140)

I have a complete score that features all the music execpt the music that plays when rose looks for jack and the cue and the opening title that has some sfx. Otherwise my edition contains recreated score + movie version + alt recreated score + album version + back to titanic + I Salonisti.

I have the same. Mine has Rose Looks For Jack as well as Distraught Rose, Shooting Star, Jack vs. Lovejoy, Never and Absolution (extended deleted scene) and Brock's Revelation all deleted scenes. Its a lovely 4CD edition. The recreated score is so very well done. Everyone did such a fantastic job editing and recreating. :)

Indeed and more is coming =)

Can you upload "Rose Looks for Jack"?

Here is what I have... Its most everyone's amazing work, recreated, youtube, jeanbaker, dvd rips, albums etc. Just a compilation really. Wish I could take credit bu that goes to all of those hard workers.

https://mega.co.nz/#F!pgRlBazY!IB3SiBDn1osZoDsYD32w9w

PS. PM for more.

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Im going away for a week or so, so I might not respond immediately.

I keep hearing that there are Recording Sessions out there. Just very difficult to track.

I've heard the same...a rumored 9 CD's worth of pure, unreleased Horner glory. I sincerely hope that one day they'll surface.

9 discs? OMG. We HAVE to find this!

I've been trying...so many dead ends out there, argh...

I have heard of this 9 CD deal as well, and a lot of people seem to be bashing that idea. I don't know if it's the 9CD or a complete different version/release. I have guy who helped me find some VERY RARE material, and upon asking him, he said it exists but, it's just very difficult to find.
The guy I speak of just helped me find:
Boondock Saints 1 - Jeff Danna (41 tracks)
The Haunting Expanded - Jerry Goldsmith
Poseidon Complete - Klaus Badelt (40 tracks)
and
The Frighteners Expanded (38 tracks) - Danny Elfman

I'm sure it's in someone's hands. The trick is finding someone who would admit to having it, much less someone willing to share it.

Until then, we wait...

Cue James Horners" Hard to Starboard" as we wait.

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Theodred, if you ever find sessions to My Girl- James Newton Howard, please let me know. My contact even knows nothing of that one.

We'll be waiting a long time.

The guy I speak of just helped me find:
The Haunting Expanded - Jerry Goldsmith

How about sharing this with us or did I miss it?

the 9 cds stuff was rumored by william taylor if im not wrong.I would tend to believe him but getting titanic is harder than finding a nun in a whorehouse.

If i get my girl, ill send you a pm cody

Oh interesting with a 9cd but it's probably williamtyler pulling our legs...

Hi FunnyML! :)
As a matter of fact, you have not missed it and I do not hold back on any scores that I have because music is meant to be heard, pure and simple. I understand the process of finding these gems is addictive and as such, when found, you hold onto them like it's your first bicycle or what have you. Anywho, the guy I go through is named Gerald. He's a seller. So far, I've gotten 2 of the 4 requested. Poseidon and Frighteners. He said he would UL Haunting and Boondock Saints when he could find them. Dude has a huge inventory. I'll be sure to let you know!

Sadly, he confused "The Haunting" with "13 Ghosts" and feels stupid. I was able to get The Frighteners Expanded, Poseidon Complete (only good thing from the movie), and Boondock Saints, not much score though. Sadly. WHY DO WE GET SHIT ON FOR LISTENING TO THE BEST KIND OF MUSIC THAT EXISTS TODAY? GIVE ME BOONDOCK SAINTS AND HAUNTING COMPLETE.

Sadly, he confused "The Haunting" with "13 Ghosts" and feels stupid. I was able to get The Frighteners Expanded, Poseidon Complete (only good thing from the movie), and Boondock Saints, not much score though. Sadly. WHY DO WE GET SHIT ON FOR LISTENING TO THE BEST KIND OF MUSIC THAT EXISTS TODAY? GIVE ME BOONDOCK SAINTS AND HAUNTING COMPLETE.

I doubt there is an expanded release for The Haunting. Poseidon and Boondock Saints are not rare. I hope you weren't tricked.

I don't know FunnyML, once soundtrack zone shut down, it became harder to find scores until I found this place.

Titanic Complete Score - Theres A Boat Jack (Recreated Version) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS2liKiDOr0)

October 3rd and 4th, I had the great joy, pride and priviledge to be in the audience of the film music gala "Hollywood in Vienna", that takes place every year in Austria. Every year, since 2007, a composer is awarded for his carreer! (Howard Shore in 2010 ; Alan Silvestri in 2011). In a 2 hours concert, a first part features various musical themes around a special atmosphere (this year : "New worlds", with science-fiction movie themes such as Gattaca, A.I., Independence Day, Metropolis, Star Trek...) and a second part focused on a tribute to the awarded composer, with several theme of his career.

This year, the awarded composer was JAMES HORNER, and the orchestra was conducted by David Newman.

Among the musics from Horner's work that have been played, there is of course, Titanic, with a 10 minutes Suite that looks like what we can hear on the album "Back to Titanic". I let you hear that by youserlf. Here is the "Titanic" part, as broadcasted by Austrian TV! I uploaded all the concert (even the beautiful moment when Horner receives his Award) on my You Tube channel, and I created a 18 videos playlist just for it! Enjoy :) !

http://youtu.be/QAjLDlNifnc

(I didn't like the Soprano voice, not as "pure" and "angelic" as Sissel's voice, but the performance of "Southamton" between 4:20 and 6:10 is just amazing! It was magic! ! So beautiful and moving!)

In the videos, you can see James Horner, in the audience, discretly crying, obviously very touched and moved by the tribute given to him!

If you are curious of interested, here is the official site of the event : Hollywood in Vienna (http://hollywoodinvienna.com/en) (and you can find many videos of last years concert, including Alan Silvestri who conducts the orchestra for Back to the Future Suite! Terrific!)

The extract where Horner receives his award was the second concert. I've been to the first concert too, and this day, he did not say exactly the same things. One of the things he said particularly stroke me : he explained that he had not realized how much his music was known and loved and that he was not used to make concerts. He explained that he just makes his job and, at the end of day, he goes home and forget it, does something else! He said that he didn't know his own work very well, he said "I forget the tracks, the titles, I almost never see to movies I made the music for, I just do my job, do my best, and go home!".


When I hear that, I'm not surprised that the composers are not more eager to defend their work and release it! In face, most of them don't care, d'ont even imagine that "geeks" like us love their music so much and want complete scores so badly!

Titanic in concert.
TITANIC IN CONCERT - Part III - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU8tKNxVstnZ3vOyu8JJL1TQ&v=MRj3srqX-BY&feature=player_detailpage)

Titanic in concert.
TITANIC IN CONCERT - Part III - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU8tKNxVstnZ3vOyu8JJL1TQ&v=MRj3srqX-BY&feature=player_detailpage)

Something's wrong with this video...

Yep, I see the same thing. The sound of the music it's exactly the same as the soundmix in the OST, so... the sound was changed in the video, or they are doing playback!

It's not playback... Sound from CD is used on Part II & III... But for the Part I, it's real...

For Part I... can anyone find a clean, full recording?! :O

I offer all six star wars recording sessions for those titanic sessions

Aha, I offer a trip to disneyland to the guy who would give them to me.

I offer my undying gratitude for the Titanic and SW I -VI and JP2 Sessions :) Why do I feel this is a cruel trick?? ;)

Not so much a cruel trick but wishful thinking. However wishful thinking doesn't make wishes come true so it's best not to expect anything but more examples of it.

Not wishful thinking. I got them! A substantial acquisition to crown my music library. The question must be: Who has the balls to share these - rumored - Titanic sessions?

Not wishful thinking. I got them! A substantial acquisition to crown my music library. The question must be: Who has the balls to share these - rumored - Titanic sessions?

I don't fucking know. No fucking idea who has the fucking balls to fucking share the fucking Titanic sessions if they even fucking have them.

Hope whoever does fucking has them fucking shares them.

Fuck the fucking fuckers! Sorry, your post JHFan made me curse for some unfuckingknown reason! Yes, if someone has them they should share them. Or at least go about it more subtly: Mr. "I-Have-the-titanic-recordingsessions", I would love to have these but understand if you dont want to share them (then why say you have them, and not share them, thats just cruel) and if you want to PM me and give me a link to download them and I wont tell any one ANY ONE (promise) that you did (swear pinky swear) and me be happy and you not get in trouble. Or just share. Or we keep waiting.

Probably the latter :(

Seriously, I'd shoot someone in the head for these Titanic sessions.


I happen to know that RolloTomasi claims he has access to them.
So, why stash them away and sit on the stuff for years - while letting everyone know about them?

Just cough it up, please!

People hold on to these things like cash money but what else is out there that is highly sought after that could be exchanged for this, I have no idea.

What's equal to a 9 disc set of Titanic?

What's equal to a 9 disc set of Titanic?

That's my point. What else is there that hasn't been leaked that is so highly desired? Yet another Zimmer collection of sessions or something?

Remember, sharing is caring! ♥

This is exactly the type of asshole-on-parade behaviour we've come to expect from you, Lord Fuckingham. Coming from somebody who hasn't shared anything at all. Now, if the Titanic material
really does exist, the one who holds it ain't reconsider to make an appearance anytime soon. Thumbs up!



Seriously, I'd shoot someone in the head for these Titanic sessions.


I happen to know that RolloTomasi claims he has access to them.
So, why stash them away and sit on the stuff for years - while letting everyone know about them?

Just cough it up, please!

Super-mongo.

Come off it, Fuckingham. YOu do not have star wars or any other shit you claim to have and you bloody well know it... Titanic is nowhere to be found, unless you count James Horner's harddisk. Why the hell do you even bother pretending to have stuff knowing fully well that what you want is just not available?

Because some people think that in order to get something, they get to lie and bully in order to get it. The worst part is that that is correct a lot of the time.

Disagree.

Who cares if you agree or not, cardboard dummy?

** well this is fun **

These just are never going to surface soon. And LordF does not have them. However, if he did, I would suggest he prove it, by posting just one track from the sessions. Any track, since nearly all of the OST is mixed and orchestrated differently from film versions. So one film version track from the sessions could be all the proof needed. Just to for once back up the claim.

Also, no offense LordF, I notice you do not post shares yourself. Any reason why? I know you are not required to, but most end up doing so eventually so what's the deal?

There is no deal here, Amanda. He's basically an asshole who has been on the forum for a very long time - I think I even know his real account name here - who lures people to him by claiming he has things not a single person in the world has at this point. He claimed to have Prisoner of Azkaban which I know for a fact is not true, and I'll bet you anything his Star Wars is fake as well. If people tell him he's a liar, he gets rude and it's 'fuck this,fuck that'.

As for a previous post, lying isn't necessarily the only way to get things. There's plenty of other friendly methods, but this is simply stupid: asking for something the higher-ups don't even have. Seriously, give it a rest, Fucker. You haven't a shread of proof to back up all your claims. Can a mood please ban that guy's IP?

I really want the cue that plays after the first rocket.Then we see Jack looking from a slightly submerged window. Use.that one as proof. :D
I don't see why people prevent other people from music... that's just cruel

Im so SO glad to see people disagree with me about being A Holes to get stuff. Makes me so happy. :). Yes, i hope we see the sessions one day, too.

I vowed not to watch the movie until the sessions are available because I don't want to crave this music. It seems to be beautiful so I think it's best not to know what I'm missing.