:disgust:

I think rap only has one name. The reason its hated is because:

There is only 1 Tupac. And there are a million posers. Therefore since the white man can't rap. I assume the over-convulsive population of Bieberhead emos, will forever raise the hate of rap.

Then again I think DMX is another one of the rappers that lives on to the true rap as an ideological fight.

I think there is a big difference in Rap and Beatmaking though. For me: Jayz, Timbaland and Busta Rhymes are more beatmakers, than rappers.

Wu Tang Clan is good but their songs don't have a message to me. And their more hip hop than rap if I'm correct. Old school anyways, but good in their style.

Eminem is in eternal recovery. So he doesn't count. xD

50 cent is a cash mashine. But he is cool I have to admit. Respekt for his style, especially since he's the most skilled playa' out of them all! :D

Lil Wayne;;; skill as producer;; but not a rapper I would call. Maybe I'm wrong. He is a commercial genius.

Snoop Dawg, I don't like this dude, period.

In a nutshell: Tupac> The Rest

just looking at some of your post....

jay-z a beatmaker? noooooo
lil wayne a producer.... nooooooo way

totally agree about snoop though, he is trash

lol at rap being hated, you serious?

Eminem has two diamond selling albums and has sold like 100 million units. Jay-Z, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Eminem and Kanye West and some of the biggest names in music.

lol at rap being hated, you serious?

Eminem has two diamond selling albums and has sold like 100 million units. Jay-Z, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Eminem and Kanye West and some of the biggest names in music.
This post validates nothing. I can name mainstream bands that everyone has heard of (at least in name) and say the exact same thing as this.

but rap music isn't hated.......

but rap music isn't hated.......

It is.

By some.

We just don't care about those people. :laugh:

Everything is hated by some people lol.

Take it all in my friends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnOw4J1pFN8).

but rap music isn't hated.......


Everything is hated by some people lol.

There you go.

A majority seem to not like it anymore. Not sure if it's because they hate it or just lost interest to listen to something else but when it's actually hard to find a radio station that is primarily rap (and kinda like a mainstream station because if you hunt for it you'll find it) and instead, now all we get is that pop stuff. And Lil' Wayne lol. Point is that rap is losing ground. It was losing ground a few years ago to indie rock, then gained popularity again, and now it's losing to pop or as I like to call it "tween wave".

There you go.

A majority seem to not like it anymore.

What majority? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzF6zfuYn-A&hd=1)

What majority? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzF6zfuYn-A&hd=1)

The majority that is the reason why radio stations rarely play it anymore? Seriously, if you're gonna post a link don't post some "artist" from youtube and post something that will prove me wrong (and not something that is the mere opinion of an individual).

The majority that is the reason why radio stations rarely play it anymore? Seriously, if you're gonna post a link don't post some "artist" from youtube and post something that will prove me wrong (and not something that is the mere opinion of an individual).

:rolleyes:

I used to be a hater. But, it just depends. You have to give all music a chance. I don't know if I'll ever be able to accept Country music though, it's just plain not my style. I used to think rap was all garbage until I really listened to some of Eminem, Kanye West, and others that I realized it's not all bad. I also really like Afroman, because he's so funny.

I don't mind what genre of music a song is in, so long as it's good and my ears like it.

Unfortunately, not everyone has that mentality. The bottom-line is that people generally stereotype rap music as being the chosen music genre of a stereotype that they dislike and therefore don't want to associate themselves with anything they would. People dislike the music not because of the music, but because of the people they think listen to the music.

I don't mind what genre of music a song is in, so long as it's good and my ears like it.

Unfortunately, not everyone has that mentality. The bottom-line is that people generally stereotype rap music as being the chosen music genre of a stereotype that they dislike and therefore don't want to associate themselves with anything they would. People dislike the music not because of the music, but because of the people they think listen to the music.

Best post in this thread.

I don't mind what genre of music a song is in, so long as it's good and my ears like it.

Unfortunately, not everyone has that mentality. The bottom-line is that people generally stereotype rap music as being the chosen music genre of a stereotype that they dislike and therefore don't want to associate themselves with anything they would. People dislike the music not because of the music, but because of the people they think listen to the music.

I need to rep you for this. But I'm out. :sad:

Why, thank you.

I need to rep you for this. But I'm out. :sad:
This upsets me greatly. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I don't mind what genre of music a song is in, so long as it's good and my ears like it.

Unfortunately, not everyone has that mentality. The bottom-line is that people generally stereotype rap music as being the chosen music genre of a stereotype that they dislike and therefore don't want to associate themselves with anything they would. People dislike the music not because of the music, but because of the people they think listen to the music.
The reason I don't like rap is because most of what I hear is complete garbage. How many rap "songs" are there that deal with killing, drugs, or sex? And from a musician's stand point, it isn't music. Using just Sony Acid it would take me, maybe, an hour to create a rap beat. Hardly any talent goes into the "music" and as I stated before, can't remember if it was here or elsewhere, but anyone can sit their ass down and write something up. It may take some a while longer compared to others (I suck at writing lyrics but when I start, it's hard to stop because I can keep going). The only talent I will give props to that is in this genre is freestyle. That's something that takes practice and when someone's freestyling about things other than violence, sex, and drugs, then usually it shows off their intelligence. But other than that, it's nothing but computer and to me, it's something that anyone can do.

It's not something that you can learn new things with as life goes on such as guitar or martial arts where you're constantly learning and trying to get better. With this, you will always be doing the same thing; either writing lyrics or using the computer to make beats.

The reason I don't like rap is because most of what I hear is complete garbage. How many rap "songs" are there that deal with killing, drugs, or sex? And from a musician's stand point, it isn't music. Using just Sony Acid it would take me, maybe, an hour to create a rap beat. Hardly any talent goes into the "music" and as I stated before, can't remember if it was here or elsewhere, but anyone can sit their ass down and write something up. It may take some a while longer compared to others (I suck at writing lyrics but when I start, it's hard to stop because I can keep going). The only talent I will give props to that is in this genre is freestyle. That's something that takes practice and when someone's freestyling about things other than violence, sex, and drugs, then usually it shows off their intelligence. But other than that, it's nothing but computer and to me, it's something that anyone can do.

It's not something that you can learn new things with as life goes on such as guitar or martial arts where you're constantly learning and trying to get better. With this, you will always be doing the same thing; either writing lyrics or using the computer to make beats.
A lot of it is indeed trash, but some of it isn't. I'm hardly a rap connoisseur myself, but I'll dabble with some of it, and some of it is indeed good.

And as I said, personally, I don't care how the music was made or if the musician is talented or not - if it sounds good, it sounds good and I'll listen to it. I don't care if it's over-produced, dreadful live or even ocassionally poor lyrics, if my ears like it they're not going to lie to me.

Actual talent and well-written songs and the like is, of course, nice and usually provides better music, but it doesn't mean when not that it's utterly unlistenable.

The reason I don't like rap is because most of what I hear is complete garbage. How many rap "songs" are there that deal with killing, drugs, or sex? And from a musician's stand point, it isn't music. Using just Sony Acid it would take me, maybe, an hour to create a rap beat. Hardly any talent goes into the "music" and as I stated before, can't remember if it was here or elsewhere, but anyone can sit their ass down and write something up. It may take some a while longer compared to others (I suck at writing lyrics but when I start, it's hard to stop because I can keep going). The only talent I will give props to that is in this genre is freestyle. That's something that takes practice and when someone's freestyling about things other than violence, sex, and drugs, then usually it shows off their intelligence. But other than that, it's nothing but computer and to me, it's something that anyone can do.

It's not something that you can learn new things with as life goes on such as guitar or martial arts where you're constantly learning and trying to get better. With this, you will always be doing the same thing; either writing lyrics or using the computer to make beats.

That's what you get for listening to the fucking radio.

That's what you get for listening to the fucking radio.

How many times must I say I never listen to the radio? Hell, you know I listen to metal and that shit RARELY gets played on the radio. When I listen to rap, it's almost always in someone else's car. Depending who I'm riding with it's either that crap on the radio or underground shit from their iPod. Immortal Technique is obviously smart and knows what he's talking about when it's not dealing with sex or violence, but even his shit gets old.

I'm still flabbergasted as to how you haven't picked up on me never listening to the radio when I listen to metal. Unless you think shitty Greenday is metal or Linkin Park then I understand, even if it's unforgivable.

Meh. I don't really pay attention to anything you say.

I'm sure you don't pay much attention to anyone who calls you out every time you pull out the racist card over something that only deals with race in your head.

But if you don't pay much attention to me, then I'll call you a liar considering you respond to all my posts that deal with you and quite a few that don't.

My list of artists who killed rap music:

- Lil Wayne
- T-Pain
- Soulja Boy
- Plies
- Gucci Mane
- Lil Jon
- 50 Cent
- Chingy
- Akon
- Rocko (the one who made "Umma Do Me")
- Hurricane Chris (the one who made "Ay Bay Bay")
- Sean Kingston
- DJ Khaled
- Rihanna (don't know if she's a rapper, but she's part of urban music)
- Flo Rida
and many others.

My list of artists who killed rap music:
- Rihanna (don't know if she's a rapper, but she's part of urban music)
She's not a rapper, and I actually think she's probably one of the better current artists at the moment; I don't mind some of her music at all.

My list of artists who killed rap music:

- Lil Wayne
- T-Pain
- Soulja Boy
- Plies
- Gucci Mane
- Lil Jon
- 50 Cent
- Chingy
- Akon
- Rocko (the one who made "Umma Do Me")
- Hurricane Chris (the one who made "Ay Bay Bay")
- Sean Kingston
- DJ Khaled
- Rihanna (don't know if she's a rapper, but she's part of urban music)
- Flo Rida
and many others.

I don't bother with any of those 'artists'. I just stick to the underground.

I don't bother with any of those 'artists'. I just stick to the underground.

Exactly, that's what I do, too. Wu-Tang would crash the crap out of all these crappers.

@KarinKanzuki1996 - Lol nice list!!!


Exactly, that's what I do, too. Wu-Tang would crash the crap out of all these crappers.


"I don't know how you all see it, but when it comes to the children, Wu-Tang is for the children. We teach the children. You know what I mean? Puffy is good, but Wu-Tang is the best, Okay? I want you all to know that this is ODB, and I love you all. Peace!" - ODB

RIP ODB!

Afu-Ra - Self Mastery (http://youtu.be/juathCFOdxM)
Channel Live - Station Identification (http://youtu.be/ewffoo8VgiE)

Rap music is hated because there is an abundance of a certain kind of Rap that gets air played frequently.

People are eager to judge the entirety of 'Rap' music based on the material that enters their ears/home/car via the TV/Radio, not always considering the fact that other types of Rap/Artists have not reached the Mainstream, or may have, but received minimal air play compared to that of a "Platinum Rapper"

If I recall correctly, KRS One claimed during a time of War, he had tracks promoting Peace/Unity/Anti-War and apparently they were avoided because it did not fit the 'agenda' of the Radio Station/Music Industry during that time of War..such actions have an effect on how Rap is perceived by the Mass

Since 9/11 just passed I'd like to use it as a comparison, although we may have been taught that all Middle Eastern's are Terrorists, this is not the case and as is with Rap! Both consists of more than the common stereotypes...

I hope this sheds some light on the question..

Peace

...I'll just leave this here :D
Soulja Boy - Speakers Going Hammer (http://youtu.be/wbGJCT3R154)

Say, Consider that I'm totally completely new to this...

Can anyone reccomend me some good Hip Hop?

I liked Sage Francis - The Best of Times.
The lyrics to that song are superb...

Say, Consider that I'm totally completely new to this...

Can anyone reccomend me some good Hip Hop?

I liked Sage Francis - The Best of Times.
The lyrics to that song are superb...

that's a one of a time song, right there.

Here's a few hip hop song you may like...

K-os - The Love Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyRB00Xe5-E)
Solillaquists of Sound - As if We Existed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v4-hSk9ViQ)
Saul Williams - Skin Of a Drum (Produced by Trent Reznor) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvlSqUjpWns)
Saul Williams - Coded Language (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HerpGwbLSM8)
Sole - Da Baddest Poet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jmgU1PFBB4)
Aesop Rock - Daylight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4FwFx3LNH0&feature=fvst)
El-P - Smithereens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HQQduZxVDc)
Mos Def - Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc8eD0prHIM)
Reflection Eternal - This Means You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdIRsD6a3Os)
The Pharcyde - Passin Me By (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx8sPzacvG0)
Busdriver - Happiness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjOXkpcXtKc)
Edan - Promised Land (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tLoC2PKazc)

that's a one of a time song, right there.

Here's a few hip hop song you may like...

K-os - The Love Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyRB00Xe5-E)
Solillaquists of Sound - As if We Existed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v4-hSk9ViQ)
Saul Williams - Skin Of a Drum (Produced by Trent Reznor) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvlSqUjpWns)
Saul Williams - Coded Language (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HerpGwbLSM8)
Sole - Da Baddest Poet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jmgU1PFBB4)
Aesop Rock - Daylight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4FwFx3LNH0&feature=fvst)
El-P - Smithereens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HQQduZxVDc)
Mos Def - Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc8eD0prHIM)
Reflection Eternal - This Means You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdIRsD6a3Os)
The Pharcyde - Passin Me By (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx8sPzacvG0)
Busdriver - Happiness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjOXkpcXtKc)
Edan - Promised Land (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tLoC2PKazc)

Some damn fine choices there, Withope. :)

I dislike all that it stands for. This includes what it represents in society, all the way to the vast amount of talent-less artists of today that have no true skill in music.

I think we need to create a new thread with a more positive thread title for hip hop. this thread seems to attract close-minded idiots.

I think we need to create a new thread with a more positive thread title for hip hop. this thread seems to attract close-minded idiots.

Nah, they will still come. Just like people who request something every 2 seconds in the music threads.

I just stated my opinion fella. It doesn't mean you have to insult me fella. You don't have to like it. I respect that you might enjoy it. Doesn't change my opinion of you. My girlfriend loves hip hop! Just not my style. I would suppose it is the gangsta style rap that I strongly dislike. I just happen not to enjoy most of the rest. I do like some early 90's rap however. I do think a lot of it praises a lifestyle and outlook that I tend to disagree with though. Just me personally.

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And if you are referring to me, I have requested some very rare difficult to fin music in the past. I have also uploaded some. I did not do it often at all though. You might just be addressing people that do though. Nice avatar by the way.

Have you purchased the Star Wars blu-ray set?


Nah, they will still come. Just like people who request something every 2 seconds in the music threads.

i have never seen you before and havent seen you spamming requests so i wasnt talking about you. typing with an ipod touch takes forever:laugh:

People who diss Rap/hip-hop are usually the people who listen to 'date' Radio friendly music. I listen to Rap/Hip as much as i listen to any other genre.

I have no time for radio rap or 'house rap'. But im a huge fan of Industrial Hip Hop, Trip Hop, Glitch Hop and any other progressive/abstract Hip hop. In terms of rap, i dont take the lyrics to seriously, but i do enjoy the wordplay and rhythm.

Some great great hip/rap albums are Wu Tang Clan-36 Chambers, Techno Animal-Brotherhood of the bomb, Dalek-Absence, Earl Sweatshirt-Doris, Death Grips-The Money Store, GZA - Liquid Swords and a lot more. Being a ex-metal head, i found a lot of the music i was segregated to was getting very generic and boring, so i expanded my music intrets,and found there was so much good music out there, i ended up feeling like an idiot for not exploring earlier.

Rather than judging a whole genre, just take each artist and album as it is. Over talking about Genres are for elitist morons, who spend more time arguing about sub sub sub sub genres on youtube.

So in conclusion They're as many good and bad artists in rap/hip hop as they're in Rock/metal/electronic/Acoustic. But Rap/hip is usually lead by the radio stars. But if you actually go underground you can find some prolific and god-tier artists that are f the rap/hip genre.

P.S While i was waiting to take my grade 7 Classical guitar grade, i was listening to Aphex Twin on my ipod :-p

I would rather drive an electric screwdriver through my ear canals than listen to rap. Just sayin'

srs bsns: It's really simple. People hate rap because they hate it on the surface. It's just like "judging a book on its cover." The "cover" in this case is the scene most commonly associated with the rap genre: that annoying, repetitive, talentless, brain-cell-killing dumpster sludge that is played on the radio or other mainstream media format.

I never liked 'rap' because that kind of music isnt really my style, but mainly because of what OP pointed out - the objectifying of women in videos, CONSTANT swearing, and several other unnecessary profanities that can influence negative behavior. I guess I'll be dubbed some "crazy theorist" for saying this, but there are also a number of popular artists (i.e Eminem, Lady Gaga, etc) that know full well what kind of the messages they're pumping out, and do so because they're working for a certain agenda.

I know that Rock/Heavy metal and other genres of music is no exception to this though, and the ones that have the same traits I steer clear of.



In any case, there is one rap artist that I've become a huge fan of - Zach Hemsey. He rarely swears to get his message across and the lyrics are meaningful in more ways than one. :)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onuvj65actc

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfG5AFR1Dn4

Edit: The rap artist Tiller Willis is pretty switched on as well (contains swearing though! xD) - https://soundcloud.com/tiller_wills/08-11-11a

Rap has good and bad artists. Same as any other genre of music.

Rap just isn't my thing, but I don't HATE it. I appreciate it as an art form, and I definitely think it takes talent to be good at it, just like any other art form.

That being said, I live for Missy Elliott. I've always found her production to be fresh and timeless - you can put on any of her songs from whenever and it sounds like it could have just been recorded and released on iTunes 10 minutes ago. She's always had a sense of fun to her music, her flow is amazing, and her music videos are always creative. She's also a great writer and producer for other artists too.

idk rap is awesome i hate country so freaking much i was forced to put up with it on the way to school & at the store (small town) i want vgm, anime, & cartoon songs on the radio instead of country! rap can stay however! DEATH TO COUNTRY MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because they are not singing. They are only speaking words along the beats. In my ears that's not music. And I think, people who can't sing do rap because nobody hears that they are not able to sing.

Hmm, I don't like rap, but I don't generally _hate_ it, because I think rapping is more difficult than it seems to be, especially making the lyrics at least. One have to think about rhythm and rhyming and syllables and all that. I think rap should have some meaning, there is a lot of "no-brainer" rap from where I am from - and that kinda rap I hate, truly.

Say, Consider that I'm totally completely new to this...

Can anyone reccomend me some good Hip Hop?

I liked Sage Francis - The Best of Times.
The lyrics to that song are superb...
Madlib, (MF) Doom, Homeboy Sandman, Jonwayne, Evidence, Marco Polo, Quelle Chris, Action Bronson, Sean Price, Large Professor, ASM, People Under The Stairs, The Audible Doctor, The Alchemist, Apollo Brown, Roc Marciano (The UN), Edo G, El Da Sensei, J Dilla (RiP), Guru (RiP), 9th Wonder, Dumhi, L'Orange, Parker Lewis, Planet Asia, Mykill Miers, John Robinson, Littlle Brother, Pete Rock, Oh No, Common, Jeru The Damaja, J Rocc, Jedi Mind Tricks, Blu, Knxwledge, Statik Selektah, Reef The Lost Cauze, Oddisee, Apathy, Blacastan, Masta Ace, Madchild, Supastition, Rapper Big Pooh, Fashawn, Bronze Nazareth, Snowgoons, JR & PH7, Damu The Fudgemunk, Kaimbr, Kev Brown, Mr. Green, Hassaan Mackey, Kool G Rap, Fatal Lucciauno, Exile, Atmosphere, Verbal Kent, Boldy James, Tanya Morgan, Celph Titled, Castle, Dirt E. Dutch, Jean Gray, MidaZ The Beast, Sean Born, ANTHM, The Left, Granite State, and few more..., all of those guys are in the right way making real shit hip hop with intelligent lyrics and tweeked prods, and they have nothing to see with those insidious and vulgar beef rap bastards coming from the mainstream game.

The equation is simple:

Nice, an actual recommendation list to work with instead of just a handful of mainstream names everyone has already heard of. Out of all of those I've only heard MF Doom and Atmosphere, so this will be a nice starting point next time I get in the mood.

Nice, an actual recommendation list to work with instead of just a handful of mainstream names everyone has already heard of. Out of all of those I've only heard MF Doom and Atmosphere, so this will be a nice starting point next time I get in the mood.I hate deeply rap too (cause it gives a distorted image of this genre/trend), but not the hip hop that I listen and support since 30 years.
And, If you have planned to purchase some hip hop albums (with the possibillity to listen before buying),

check here: Underground Hip Hop | Official Home Of Underground Hip Hop (http://www.undergroundhiphop.com/)

or here: https://bandcamp.com/tag/hip-hop-rap

Otherwise, when I will have a little more time for it, I will share some freaky awesome albums from those artists on this board, I hope sooner...

Peace.

PS; Forgive me for my poor english, I'm french, and I still have difficulties to write and express myself in the language of Shakespeare...
I try to improve it at the best I can, but it's not still relatively easy to me.

Hoping you (and others refractories) enjoy it, here some skits from those artists, in the same order that I have replied in the previous list.
By the way, it seems that the fuction "Insert Video" does not work, and that's why I posted the direct links.

First part:

*Madlib (as Quasimoto) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVbrpJ13emo)

*MF Doom (as Danger Doom) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO4ewCspWEA)

*Homeboy Sandman (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhe-eYHQgXA)

*Jonwayne (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9crK8rM0fM)

*Evidence (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiRgu8K2V90)

*Marco Polo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbsmAPSDxfk)

*Quelle Chris (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXmxn8g7KCI)

*Action Bronson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIjm4pHOMAs)

*Sean Price (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnyeRbIBewI)

*Large Professor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4D9iFtaCWI)

*ASM (A State of Mind) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIWYtOI55Ao)

*People Under the Stairs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBTtabfNrAw)

*The Audible Doctor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf2HodmGDFo)

*The Alchemist (beatmaker/producer) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjMvGUu99Sg)

*Apollo Brown (beatmaker/producer) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MIXslnt48s)

One thing I've always found funny is how rappers, rockers and other types of artists seem to get along just fine, yet it's their fans that don't mix. Putting them together is like mixing oil and water.

Run DMC and Aerosmith got along. Ice-T and Slayer got along. Public Enemy and Anthrax got along. Mick Jagger has also stated that Jay-Z and Vybz Kartel were two of his favorite rappers.

i love rap!