In all honesty...I hate it, and with a passion. I find it talentless because it's all the same. They all sound the same...they all look the same. Maybe it's just because I'm not physically or emotionally attracted to black men... I think you actually win for most offensive post in the thread. I was just joking around with other people, but you really did go and make a pretty prejudiced post right there. Good for you. I mean seriously.


For those who say they hate country, you have to at least listen to Save A Horse Ride A Cowboy by Big and Rich.
Also this sentence here ensured me that you really just hate music in general. Save a Horse Ride a fucking Cowboy may be one of the most generic and ridiculous pop-country songs of all time. I wouldn't even call it real country because it's just terrible mainstream pop with twangy guitars and a guy singing about cowboys.

edit: for the record I am not saying "real" country is any good or anything.

In all honesty...I hate it, and with a passion. I find it talentless because it's all the same. They all sound the same...they all look the same. Maybe it's just because I'm not physically or emotionally attracted to black men...

You're a fucking cunting racist. They all look the same? Way to generalize an entire group of people you ignorant Pok�mon n00b. Why not get to know someone before you pass judgement on them? They all look the same. That's the most racist statement I have heard in a long time.

Go fist fuck Brock. Oh, wait, he's black, so I guess you'd only let him bumfuck you.

In all honesty...I hate it, and with a passion. I find it talentless because it's all the same. They all sound the same...they all look the same. Maybe it's just because I'm not physically or emotionally attracted to black men...

I lean more towards Punk and Rock, but also enjoy some Pop, Trance and a few country songs. For those who say they hate country, you have to at least listen to Save A Horse Ride A Cowboy by Big and Rich.

Either way, I find rap talentless and offensive. Especially that Eminem, he's the most annoying wigger I've ever heard of >.<

HAHAHAAHAHA, While some people haveindirectly made race a factor you grabbed it by the horns. And fuck country if you hate rap for the black people, I hate country for the hay chewing, slack-jawed yokels.

Like every genre out there in this day and age, hiphop has its commercial side, and then its underground side.
Most people that bash hiphop and rap only have listened to the commercial garbage that is embraced by MTV and the like, or they havent really listened to hiphop at all and just dislike it because they heard on the news that it spreads violence and blahblahblah. While I wont argue that, I will say that for every 50 Cent, Eminem and Jay-Z, there is a Wu-Tang Clan,Aesop Rock and Cyne.
Im sure that if I told a rock or country fan that I dislike those genres, they too would bring up some obscure or more pure form of that music for me to listen to, as opposed to the pop music that passes for rock/country on the airwaves today.
Sadly, all music suffers from a bad image because of stereotypes and the fact that the major recording companies will continue to pump out mainstream trash so long as there is a buck to be made.

Eminem and Jay-Z are quite good imo, but as of late not so much.

I like them both too. ^^;

I don't like it because it's lyrics doesn't have sense.Rap sucks.By the way I just noticed that there is an idiot under me I gived reasons for not liking it an this S.O.B don't give reasons for liking it.Let me remember you that you're UNDER ME in all the meaning of the word.

There a too many idiots out there like the one just above me.

I don't like it because it's lyrics doesn't have sense.Rap sucks.

-_-"

I don't like it because it's lyrics doesn't have sense.Rap sucks.

Your grammar sucks monkey balls you stupid bitch.

Hahaha! I like how you made your insult "exotic".

i like rap!!!
and everyone who says that rap sucks is stupid!
i mean, there are surely some rap-acts who are retarded
in their way, but most of them are doing nice stuff!
actually, i talk about german rap, (i�m from germany)
german rap is far better than us-shit.
i think no one here can give me a proper reason, why they hate
rap-music! you just say things like "it all sounds like the same" or
"their lyrics are offensive" and shit like that. those are NO PROPER REASONS
you degenerated fuckers! there are different lyrics, you just heard some of
those "bad" ones. don�t put EVERY song in that corner!
and who said, that rap is talentless? shut the fuck up!
you need flow to rap your lyrics in a nice way. but for singing you just need
a good voice and with singing-lessons every stupid jerk could do that.
if i would start taking lessons right away, i would be at least top five at a Star Search or American Idol (in germany there are shows like that) show in about 3 or 4 years!
but if you try to teach a n00b how to rap and send him to Diddy and his
Making the Band show, he would suck badly and get kicked out before the first episode even starts!

and now to that racist! why haven�t you just said the N-word you fucking bastard! "everybody look the same to me", then all white people look alike to me? no! uhm, wait.... is it George Bush or David Hasselhof? they all look the same....oh shit you stupid assmunch! you are so retarded! just the thought of
being with stupids like you on the same planet makes me wanna take a shit!^^

okay, enough of that shit!

rap rules!

btw: i like almost every kind of music, as long as the song i�m listening to sounds good to me. but i don�t say: uhm, heavy metal sucks and i won�t listen to any song of that genre! just idiots think that way!

Fuck off. We can tell off our own morons quite well enough without random outsider morons popping in to do a much poorer job of it.

you talkin to me???
whaddaya mean "fuck off"?
i can post in this thread if i want to! don�t act like
you�re my boss! i just posted my thoughts and i don�t
give a crap about what you�re sayin!!!
also halt�s maul du trottel und mach keinen auf chef, du hund!

german-rap!!!!
King Orgasmus One!!!!

Wow...that one went right over my head. -.-;

you talkin to me???
whaddaya mean "fuck off"?
i can post in this thread if i want to! don�t act like
you�re my boss! i just posted my thoughts and i don�t
give a crap about what you�re sayin!!!
also halt�s maul du trottel und mach keinen auf chef, du hund!

german-rap!!!!
King Orgasmus One!!!!

Yes, I am talking to you.

when I say fuck off, I mean that you should leave and not come back.

Sure you can post here. And doing so gives me the ability to call you a dumb cunt and tell you to fuck off.

Lastly, if you're just looking to post your thoughts and don't care about what anyone else has to say, post it in a fucking blog or livejournal, you dumb cunt. Now fuck off.

People hate rap because it sounds retarded. It always talks about sex, money and all that stupid stuff. :(

If that isn't the single most biased unintelligent comment I've heard since coming here, I don't know what is.

I vote that someone closes this retarded thread before more idiots come in with mindless genre bashing, poor grammar, some flame baiting here and there, and everybody's IQ drops another hundred points or so from reading page after page of internet bred ignorance and idiocy.

All in favor?

I vote that someone closes this retarded thread before more idiots come in with mindless genre bashing, poor grammar, some flame baiting here and there, and everybody's IQ drops another hundred points or so from reading page after page of internet bred ignorance and idiocy.

All in favor?

Aye...can I make you a Sig and Avatar set?
I've been dying to make one of just Escalayer but I threw in Ignis on my avatar out of impulse. What do you say?

Aye...can I make you a Sig and Avatar set?
I've been dying to make one of just Escalayer but I threw in Ignis on my avatar out of impulse. What do you say?

Sure, that'd be awesome.

I vote that someone closes this retarded thread before more idiots come in with mindless genre bashing, poor grammar, some flame baiting here and there, and everybody's IQ drops another hundred points or so from reading page after page of internet bred ignorance and idiocy.

All in favor?

Sure it's a big thread. Sure there are a lot of shriners who aren't tolerant of music the others listen to. Sure some posts are worthless to music-lovers, but the debate won't stop when it close. I think this issue will always be raised somewhere, in similar threads.

Rap is a genre like an other, represented by talented and worse artists. I don't expect from music to be cut in genres with huge walls between. Beyond these walls people would like to build, i think that the worth of an artist doesn't depend on the genre he belongs to.

Originality...Skills...there are so many artists who are interesting. World is wide, and wider is music universe. The journey won't stop easily for the one who keeps his ears wide opened.

Nope. I got to admit I'm biased in the music world, I prefer classical 70's-80's era hard rock/heavy metal and NWOBHM to most other styles of music. See, the reason i don't like rap is because most of the songs in the genre are pretty much a clone of one and other, well these days anyway, I've heard rap on the radio, I've heard early and modern rap and I still don't like it. The music itself barely has any feel to it, it's usually only a fake bass rythm with some bloke rhyming some lyrics that are usually bragging about something in one form or another. The lyrical context wouldn't be much of a bother if the actual music was any good. It's their song, let them write it how they like but at least get some originality in there, as well as some musicians that can play an instrument not screw with a machine of some sort to get some sort of a bass rhythm going.

People like it for the reasons I dislike it, I've seen that alot of times, it's not a bother to me.

Nope. I got to admit I'm biased in the music world, I prefer classical 70's-80's era hard rock/heavy metal and NWOBHM to most other styles of music. See, the reason i don't like rap is because most of the songs in the genre are pretty much a clone of one and other, well these days anyway, I've heard rap on the radio, I've heard early and modern rap and I still don't like it. The music itself barely has any feel to it, it's usually only a fake bass rythm with some bloke rhyming some lyrics that are usually bragging about something in one form or another. The lyrical context wouldn't be much of a bother if the actual music was any good. It's their song, let them write it how they like but at least get some originality in there, as well as some musicians that can play an instrument not screw with a machine of some sort to get some sort of a bass rhythm going.

People like it for the reasons I dislike it, I've seen that alot of times, it's not a bother to me.

And yet another post proving that this thread is filled with mostly uninformed and ignorant posts. I rest my case.

Can somebody please close this thread now?

EDIT: actually, I just noticed right now that you're from England, which explains a good 99.5% of that musical bias and your dislike for rap.

Well, I dont know what I can add to this thread. But I'll try. Forgive me if I step on a few toes or come off as a bit biased, its a quick reply.

I dont hate rap, its just not my genre of choice. My genre of choice is metal and rock, and I'm black (so I break the so called "stereoptype" I suppose...), and its gone so far to the point where I play guitar and listen to metal above all others.

Now why do people bash on rap? I'm not sure. I dont know the reason for that anymore than I know the reason that people bash on death metal. Some say its the lyrics in rap, and the destructive power the music has. If thats the case, why listen to it? I just feel because you dont listen to a particular genre you shouldnt bash on it. So while I cant say that I like rap, (and probably didnt answer the question that this thread was made for lol) I can say that I wont hate it for no apparent reason whatsoever.

And ya...I'm done? O.o

I do not like rap to be honest because it influences chavs (which are the scum of England) and i just don't get it. I do like a few rap groups which is of course the Beastie boys and a band called Hadouken! even though NME are getting some hyped about them

But overall thats why i hate it

i personally search for music that means something and rap in most cases doesnt and it got that reputition because of the high number of similar acts which sing about the same things money and sex and yea other music janraws could have stuff like that but its not assotiated withit because its not its most as in rap and these topics that rap sings about r the stuff that make us lose our humanity if we keep thinkin just about it..
and i think rap is sorrounded by alot of hypocrisy like if u listen to the new duiet of ludacriss and mary j how ludacriss in the song supports young girls who have life propz and in his own video he sings about bitches and stuff like that

listen to switchfoot to know how music should be

I really hate this thread.

And yet another post proving that this thread is filled with mostly uninformed and ignorant posts. I rest my case.

Can somebody please close this thread now?

EDIT: actually, I just noticed right now that you're from England, which explains a good 99.5% of that musical bias and your dislike for rap.

Well, at least I stated it as opinion and didn't hide behind an excuse, hate me for the post, do whatever, I don't really care.

Rap is actually quite big in the UK, radios filled with the shit, "50 cent, Usherr, Akon, Chamillionare" at least in the 90's it was more original.

The Fake bass in rap is another push factor for my opinion, mainly for the reason I play a real bass instrument myself.

I play bass guitar and hip hop beats do not bother me. It helps if you listen to songs that actually have good production and not more of the same rehashed top forty stuff like "50 cent, Usher, Akon, and Chamillionare"

"This thread has been led,
Where nasty things have been said.
You and I do not agree,
But at least we have enough vision to see,
That rap is not crap?"

There's your rap.

more like poetry.

I play bass guitar and hip hop beats do not bother me. It helps if you listen to songs that actually have good production and not more of the same rehashed top forty stuff like "50 cent, Usher, Akon, and Chamillionare"

Thing is, there is no chance in hell the decent rap will get onto radio. Hip hop beats when I frequently hear stuff by Steve Harris and Cliff Burton makes it irritating for me. Besides, only chart songs make it onto the shitty radio stations here so I bring CDs into cars.

more like poetry.
Yeah, it came out a little too... Well, artistic. Perhaps that's the wrong word, considering the topic at hand. D=

more like flowery and without much flow

"This thread has been led,
Where nasty things have been said.
You and I do not agree,
But at least we have enough vision to see,
That rap is not crap?"

There's your rap.

Selling out has brought about the death of this game
Failure to live up to its name, propped up by its mortal remains
But I plan to maintain, integrity of my style and act
You went the extra mile? I went a mile and a half
Write up a rough draft and sand it down
An immaculate sound crafted to entrance the crowd
I sit at the drawing board developing ways
To resurrect hip hop and elevate the game
Invoke the spirit and rekindle the flame
Put the sodium pentathol back into its veins
The media manipulates in devilish ways
Tempting us to give in to the pleasures of fame
Giving up artistic merit is not an equivalent trade
And I don�t plan to ever make the exchange
Cause I�ve got a solid comprehension of shame
And a work ethic to follow
So if I sell out, hip hop would grow empty and hollow
Cause if I sell out, hip hop has no tomorrow

I love how you actully think that I meant for it to be taken seriously. xD If you want real poetry, check out my poetry thread.

I love how you actully think that I meant for it to be taken seriously. xD If you want real poetry, check out my poetry thread.

No, I'm aware that your post wasn't serious, I just decided meh, I feel like throwing down a quick verse.

Damm... I really hate rap and all its related-scum like music specially reggaeton( its latin equivalent )
its all about sex, money, cars, sex, sexual dancing, insulting, sex, insulting again and again
everything because of... Daddy Yankee from Puerto Rico and all of its stupid reggaetoners brought by him since 2005, the year when spanish met rap and we (the people from South-Mexico,the caribbean and South America) got screwed.

but hopefully in 10 years people will forget about that like in USA.
I really hope that.

Mobius, you must be a possesser of half a wit. Not all Hip Hop is like that, just like not all people have an educated opinion. Your ignorance of the artform is NOT uncommon as the media portrays blacks and their arts and expressions in a most unsavory light ALL THE TIME. This is ongoing and fools will always be fooled, just as I will ALWAYS listen to impeccable music, which includes Hip Hop productions.


By the way, reggaeton is a simulacrum, a mere carbon copy of Reggae, genius. They steal our music just like the rest of the planet and shit on it and it's people. Atom Narmor is sensible and intelligent but I regress, in that I now say...


FUCK YALL HATERS!


Selling out has brought about the death of this game
Failure to live up to its name, propped up by its mortal remains
But I plan to maintain, integrity of my style and act
You went the extra mile? I went a mile and a half
Write up a rough draft and sand it down
An immaculate sound crafted to entrance the crowd
I sit at the drawing board developing ways
To resurrect hip hop and elevate the game
Invoke the spirit and rekindle the flame
Put the sodium pentathol back into its veins
The media manipulates in devilish ways
Tempting us to give in to the pleasures of fame
Giving up artistic merit is not an equivalent trade
And I don’t plan to ever make the exchange
Cause I’ve got a solid comprehension of shame
And a work ethic to follow
So if I sell out, hip hop would grow empty and hollow
Cause if I sell out, hip hop has no tomorrow


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"There once was a rapping tomato,
That's right I said rapping tomato,
He rapped all day from April to May,
And also guess what, it was me."

-Homer Simpson.

I remember that episode

Mobius, you must be a possesser of half a wit. Not all Hip Hop is like that, just like not all people have an educated opinion. Your ignorance of the artform is NOT uncommon as the media portrays blacks and their arts and expressions in a most unsavory light ALL THE TIME. This is ongoing and fools will always be fooled, just as I will ALWAYS listen to impeccable music, which includes Hip Hop productions.


By the way, reggaeton is a simulacrum, a mere carbon copy of Reggae, genius. They steal our music just like the rest of the planet and shit on it and it's people. Atom Narmor is sensible and intelligent but I regress, in that I now say...


FUCK YALL HATERS!



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OK, not because I don't like that means that I will hate everything related to that.

But anyway, whatever floats your boat.


Ps: I still hate rap and reggaeton but only them.

I don't like rap because all the songs are the same to me, the vocallists are annoying and there's just a beat with no other musical talent (guitars, ect).
The beat is also annoying, example at parties people turn up their fucking stereos full blast and all you can hear is "thoom. . ,thoom.. . .thoom. . ." until about 4AM.

That is why I do not like Rap/Hip Hop/R'nB shit.

And rock is fresh? It's extremely repeitive, oh I', so depressed join me in my sorrow. Also yes music is only great when you play an instrument.

See! Trolling leads to ignorance, if people stop trolling and keep the harsh stuff toned down people wont need to bring out the ignorance guns! Ok, in a more serious and literate tone where I'm not being a peace keeping hippie: If the rap lovers are getting sick of the trolling, yes trolling, and flaming which is being stated by some of the rap haters, then rap haters, just keep the tone down and don't cause a war or else you're gonna get your asses bit off, or you'll at least be shot by the gangsters. Blood is only going to make the thread uglier.

I may sound like a fucking hypocrite to some people but I have a point.


And rock is fresh? It's extremely repeitive, oh I', so depressed join me in my sorrow..


Depressed? wtf? alot of the classic stuff wasn't actually depressing, the only dark and gloomy side of rock was Heavy Metal, it's actual point was to be dark and gloomy. Stereotyping genres is not good! No brownie points for that.

Stereotyping genres is not good! No brownie points for that.

Look who's talking

I don't like rap because all the songs are the same to me, the vocallists are annoying and there's just a beat with no other musical talent (guitars, ect).
The beat is also annoying, example at parties people turn up their fucking stereos full blast and all you can hear is "thoom. . ,thoom.. . .thoom. . ." until about 4AM.

That is why I do not like Rap/Hip Hop/R'nB shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j42SdmiU0kg

You've just been owned.

I don't like rap because all the songs are the same to me, the vocallists are annoying and there's just a beat with no other musical talent (guitars, ect).
The beat is also annoying, example at parties people turn up their fucking stereos full blast and all you can hear is "thoom. . ,thoom.. . .thoom. . ." until about 4AM.

That is why I do not like Rap/Hip Hop/R'nB shit.


Beastie Boys used guitars and actually used them well while mixing rap into their lyrics. Those guys were insane.

because God intended for it to be that way.

and this thread has to die off sooner of later.

Wow, the last few posts I've read were all BS. I'm highly amused. =D

Hahaha, rap seems to make us lose our humanity?
God's intention?
Scum-related music?


HBD = <3.
Kairi, I listen to EVERYTHING. It makes me have a high tolerance to music I usually don't listen to.... >_>;;;;
Innocent sin, don't double post.
xD hehe, I like Reggaeton too.

Hell, I like Reggae in general. x_x I do have west indian blood in me.

;_; I miss Prak.

I like Akon.

@_@; yeah, that's about it...

RAP SUKS!!!!!!!!!!
!

you suk

I only like Reggae when they mix some African instruments into it (yay, for my family in Gambia <3) and none of that mainstream stuff like Bob Marley or UB40. It's way too commercial. I'm not really a Reggae fan, but more of a Roots and Dancehall fan.

wats so special about a person talking about how he has nice car, a "bitch", and alot of alcholhal?????

wats so special about a person talking about how he has nice car, a "bitch", and alot of alcholhal?????
Well, if you must go there, then go all the way.

Pop: What's so special about slutty bimbos singing about how rich they are and how much they like to party?

Rock: What's so special about hearing a grown man moan about love and life?

Metal: What's so special about hearing some untalented screamer scream his lungs out?

My point being, you can't generalize on such a large scale.

u got me there zulu xp,
but some rock sumtimes has alot meaning to it.

u got me there zulu xp,
but some rock sumtimes has alot meaning to it.
So does Rap and that was the point I was trying to make.

oooooooo, i get it,

Good, then, now get on your knees and obay.

i think not XP

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I don't realy care for the rapper called "Game" but everyone is capable of making a good song, A HIT. Well not everybody...


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RAP SUKS!!!!!!!!!!
!

"Making of Why You Hate the Game" Pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZhmtlTHqFw)

"Making of Why You Hate the Game" Pt.2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA2oBLPsxJk)

RAP SUKS!!!!!!!!!!
!

O rly?

J Dilla - Nothing Like This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ncSt5xC8Uk)

Hey Im a rapper, not a real one but I do rap music, I'm with yall on the fact that all the mothafuckas do is say the same bullshit over and over but I know plenty of good rappers and good music, so don't hate all rap, hate the new shit! But if u need some music just email my black ass

How can anyone say this is bad. Talib Kweli (http://music.aol.com/video/listen/talib-kweli/1697180) You've got to "listen"

Wow, the last few posts I've read were all BS. I'm highly amused. =D

Hahaha, rap seems to make us lose our humanity?
God's intention?

im not saying that (rap)makes us lose our humanity...and i said that there is good rap but its few i said that emphasising on these aspects of life that rap in its most sing about that it becomes our only concern makes us lose our humanity coz god created us to be thinking and mindful creatures beside & more than being mindless animals..... and yes rock,pop,indie and other jawnras r not clean eaither so that where u as a listener chooses wats is appropriote for u and wats not so always make it ur choice

lol @ jawnras

Learn grammar. Learn spelling. Then argue. You just look like a fool at this point.

Well, if you must go there, then go all the way.

Pop: What's so special about slutty bimbos singing about how rich they are and how much they like to party?

Rock: What's so special about hearing a grown man moan about love and life?

Metal: What's so special about hearing some untalented screamer scream his lungs out?

My point being, you can't generalize on such a large scale.

PWNED

Stop listening to the crap you hear on MTV and the radio and search for something real. Rap isn't as bad as some of you guys think it is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j42SdmiU0kg

You've just been owned.

Wow.

lol @ jawnras

Learn grammar. Learn spelling. Then argue. You just look like a fool at this point.

hay im not english speakin in origin so give me a chance and try to get my point instead of just making fun of my english

Oh, so you don't speak english well, but you're comfortable mangling the language with that god-awful shorthand typing? Now I think even less of you.

Oh, so you don't speak english well, but you're comfortable mangling the language with that god-awful shorthand typing? Now I think even less of you.

The pwns just don't stop do they?

Oh, so you don't speak english well, but you're comfortable mangling the language with that god-awful shorthand typing? Now I think even less of you.

u know u commented enough on how bad my english is and didnt say anything about the main subject and u know if u tried talking in my own language i wouldnt be so hard on u ...and i really think u have some personal issues coz u just critisize ppl without actually sayin anythin useful ....and yea thnx for nothing

Everyone, I want you to pay careful attention to how the previous post makes no effort at all to address the point I raised. Instead, this moron resorts to lame, unfounded attacks in the desperate hope that no one will notice that he/she/it/what-the-fuck-ever has absolutely no defense against my own well-reasoned attack. This is not an acceptable response and will do nothing more than mark you for life as an irredeemable nitwit.

Everyone, I want you to pay careful attention to how the previous post makes no effort at all to address the point I raised. Instead, this moron resorts to lame, unfounded attacks in the desperate hope that no one will notice that he/she/it/what-the-fuck-ever has absolutely no defense against my own well-reasoned attack. This is not an acceptable response and will do nothing more than mark you for life as an irredeemable nitwit.
u know i finally get wat u want me to do.. u want me to get to your level and begin (like alot of people will do with a person like u) insulting u but u know i want coz its the easier way and i dont take easier ways

Also note the use of the holier-than-thou angle. This is also an ineffective tactic commonly used by those who clearly understand that they are overwhelmed by their foe.

The most interesting thing about this particular specimen, however, is its stubborn refusal to clean up its atrocious grammar. Most would at least concede to a minor extent, yet this one seems to be exceptionally offensive, perhaps even taking pleasure in the knowledge that it is a disgrace to its gene pool.

rofl

The most interesting thing about this particular specimen, however, is its stubborn refusal to clean up its atrocious grammar. Most would at least concede to a minor extent, yet this one seems to be exceptionally offensive, perhaps even taking pleasure in the knowledge that it is a disgrace to its gene pool.

Lol. The resident shrine scientist makes use of his knowledge to root out all English language flaws within the human species. :p

Also note the use of the holier-than-thou angle. This is also an ineffective tactic commonly used by those who clearly understand that they are overwhelmed by their foe.

The most interesting thing about this particular specimen, however, is its stubborn refusal to clean up its atrocious grammar. Most would at least concede to a minor extent, yet this one seems to be exceptionally offensive, perhaps even taking pleasure in the knowledge that it is a disgrace to its gene pool.

im not gonna add anything after that coz i realise that an argument with u is pointless coz apparently u r an english teacher or something like that coz ur only intrest from the bigenning of our little argument waz my grammar ...
and u just cant let it go while others could and if it makes u feel better i will consider taking english corses coz apparently i cant say my opinion without flawless english
so ur message is "if u have crappy english we dont even want u to have ur freedom of speech"
and i realise that most of conclusions taken out of this thread is ppl hate stereotyping and here u go and make another ...

I find it especially interesting that this specimen is perfectly capable of using respectable grammar, yet chooses not to, even after being chided for it. It seems this one does not care about acceptance in the community it has stumbled into. Rather, this one cares almost exclusively for seeing its own thoughts in print, taking no note of others, except those which issue a challenge.

I find it especially interesting that this specimen is perfectly capable of using respectable grammar, yet chooses not to, even after being chided for it. It seems this one does not care about acceptance in the community it has stumbled into. Rather, this one cares almost exclusively for seeing its own thoughts in print, taking no note of others, except those which issue a challenge.

u know i said i wont add anything but loool are u for real...no seriosly im gonna check right now if u said anything in this hole thread concerning the subject descussed and im glad to break ur rules coz i live to surprise ppl and u yourself is a special spicies i didnt know exist
and no.. im sure that ppl gonna read my thoughts and they gonna overlook those small grammatical proplems and understand the jest of it.....coz no one is perfect...

In all seriousness, and I don't mean this in an offensive way, but it is hard for people to keep up with the stuff you type as it's hard to make much sense out of it.

Do you use a word processor? It might be worth running a grammar and spell check on your text first, before making posts, to help make your meaning clearer.

In all seriousness, and I don't mean this in an offensive way, but it is hard for people to keep up with the stuff you type as it's hard to make much sense out of it.

Do you use a word processor? It might be worth running a grammar and spell check on your text first, before making posts, to help make your meaning clearer.
i appriciate comments that r helpful and i would if i had one and my long argument with park isnt the important thing but my opinion about this thread which i mentioned previously ...and thanx again for tryin to help instead of just critisising....coz thats the spirit we need in the world not just forum

I think this thread needs closing. Seriously.

omfg!
what�s going on here? why are you even answering to this "moron".
yeah, that�s the only word he can say! Mr. Moron the English Teacher!^^
if you got a problem with his way of writing, just ignore it!
this thread is about rap-music,isn�t it? so why are you discussing about
such lame shit??? like I wrote at the top...can�t say more about it...OMFG!

i think I posted in this thread earlier already, but I got the feeling I have to
post it again,that all you people who say that rap music sucks, have NO
idea! just because the famous rappers suck, that doesn�t mean, that EVERY
rapper sucks!
here�s a question for all those "metal-freaks":
why are you so into your metal-music? and why do you hate rap?
just give me one GOOD(!!!) reason!
just because a few metal-musicians suck,I don�t say that the whole music genre sucks!
think of it and you know that I am right.
it�s like that racist-shit. many white people think: "oh, there�s a black guy,
I gotta take care, because he will rob and/or kill mefor sure like every black
guy would! they are all the same!" I can�t think of a more stupid and retarded
way to think than this!
kay, that�s way too off-topic, but I had to say it! you should open a thread
where people can discuss this. THIS would be an interesting thread!
think of it!

Geez, here we go AGAIN! Another reason this thread needs to be closed, it just doesn't go anywhere.

For once, I agree with you completely. It does nothing but draw in the crazies, and while I confess to enjoy their idiotic ranting when they get riled up, we'd all be better off if they never had anything to latch onto in the first place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItjNnzEhMC0

this is the type of rap that usually goes unnoticed by the general public

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfXJ_IUlBA4

there's no way you can watch that and make some ridiculous generalization like "rap is only about sex drugs and violence" or that all the beats are corny casio keyboard loops.

o_o wow, a lot happened while I was gone.

XD I'm guessing the thread never came up with a compromise?

Heh.

Compromise made me giggle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItjNnzEhMC0

this is the type of rap that usually goes unnoticed by the general public

yea thats the kinda rap i would listen to ...

I think this thread needs closing. Seriously.

As I stated a few pages ago.

yea thats the kinda rap i would listen to ...

I think the reason why this type of rap gets ignored is because its not "gangsta" or use of excessive foul language

I think the reason why this type of rap gets ignored is because its not "gangsta" or use of excessive foul language

yea...as if there are ppl who want rap (as a part of our culture) to mentain that image...influencing our lives in a negative way...

Niggers be getting all up in yo' face, Prak.

*smacks.*

Niggers be getting all up in yo' face, Prak.

*Holds WTF!? ssign*

How can anyone say this is bad. Talib Kweli (http://music.aol.com/video/listen/talib-kweli/1697180) You've got to "listen"

Song is so great had to repost,

Well, if you must go there, then go all the way.

Pop: What's so special about slutty bimbos singing about how rich they are and how much they like to party?

Rock: What's so special about hearing a grown man moan about love and life?

Metal: What's so special about hearing some untalented screamer scream his lungs out?

My point being, you can't generalize on such a large scale.

co-sign, you just cant generalize so much like that

(Huh, my first post in this forum...)

I hate rap. At least, almost all raps that I happen to hear from dorm, school, radio, MTV and city streets. Of course, I'm sure there are "good" raps out there. There's always few good things to everything.

But I'm not going to go through pile of smelly shit just to find few good rap songs. It's not worth my time and effort.

I'm not saying there aren't crappy things to other genres like rock. I love rock and metal, but I can't stand screamos and mindless growling accompanied by equally mindless blastbeaing in major black/death metal scene. Because that's not singing, as much as rapping isn't singing either.

IMHO, music has to have some kind of melody. Rap usually doesn't accompany any melody, therefore it's not music in my ears. It's just some random guy talking fast about things I really don't care. There are many rock/metal bands that write lyrics on things I don't care (like Edguy on Trinidad) but at least the ones I listen to can make melodies out of it.

I'm sure rapping takes effort, but hey, guess what? Screaming at top of your lungs through earfucker-blastbeating for 2 hours straight without spitting blood takes effort as well!

And those earfuckers can at least bang on their instruments, sometimes even play them, too. (For example, I really hate Dragonforce, but I have to admit that their guitarist has incredible techniques.)

I simply don't see how anybody can compare rapping and singing. They are at completely different levels. And hip-hop culture in general, at least the ones that are imitated by kids, disgusts me as much as emo culture does. (Well, at least emo kids know how to speak proper English...)

Rap music is only hated by those who've never actually been around, or personally exprienced themselves the things that rappers have been rapping about since the late 80's. I, myself, have. And that's why I've been listening to rap since I was about 10 years old. I can relate to what's being told in rap music. But I'm not talking about the shit you guys see on MTV & BET, or what you hear on the radio. I'm referring to the underground rap scene, mainly in my area (Bay Area, Ca). The "hardcore gangsta shit". lol

BUT, I will admit that rap has nothing else to say anymore. It is getting boring. There's really nothing more for rappers to rap about anymore. They're just saying the same old shit but using different words. That's it. And this is why stay bumping the classics; stuff from around '92 - about 2001, give or take a few recent releases.

"And those earfuckers can at least bang on their instruments, sometimes even play them, too. (For example, I really hate Dragonforce, but I have to admit that their guitarist has incredible techniques.) "



you do realise some rappers can and do play instruments on their songs right, not the majority admitadley, but some do

co-sign, you just cant generalize so much like that
That was the point I was trying to make. -_-;

Rap music is only hated by those who've never actually been around, or personally exprienced themselves the things that rappers have been rapping about since the late 80's. I, myself, have. And that's why I've been listening to rap since I was about 10 years old. I can relate to what's being told in rap music. But I'm not talking about the shit you guys see on MTV & BET, or what you hear on the radio. I'm referring to the underground rap scene, mainly in my area (Bay Area, Ca). The "hardcore gangsta shit". lol

BUT, I will admit that rap has nothing else to say anymore. It is getting boring. There's really nothing more for rappers to rap about anymore. They're just saying the same old shit but using different words. That's it. And this is why stay bumping the classics; stuff from around '92 - about 2001, give or take a few recent releases.
I'm a white boy that grew up on a farm in Wisconsin and I can still appreciate hip hop. So I think your theory may be a little off. If you like good music and aren't some kind of jerk who only listens to one genre you can find rap music that you will like, there's a lot of good stuff out there and I agree people should start by checking out their local scene.

ITS THE MAINSTREAM ARTISTS FAULT, EVERYONE LOOKS INTO WHATS PORTRAYED ON TELEVISION, AND THEN JUDGE [WHICH I THINK AS A HIP HOP LYRICIST/PRODUCER MYSELF IS A MUTHAFUCKIN SHAME], WHAT THEY DONT SEE IS THAT THERES MORE ARTISTS OUT THERE THAT BRINGS A REAL MESSAGE W/ VERY RELATEABLE LYRICAL CONTENT TO BRING TO THE TABLE, SPEAKING REAL TRUTH, TRYING TO OPEN THE EYES OF THOSE AROUND THEM, BUT THE HIGHER UP COMPANIES ARE ONLY IN IT FOR MARKETING SCHEMES AND A QUICK BUCK, FUCK THEM! BECAUSE AS LONG AS MILLIONS IS INVOLVED, NEVER WILL YOU HEAR A TRUE LYRICST LIKE NAS, OR GHOSTFACE ON THE TV PROBABLY EVER AGAIN BECAUSE ITS BEING DROWNED OUT BY THE TALENTLESS ARTISTS THAT BARELY USE 2% OF THEIR BRAINS [LIL WAYNE, YOUNG JEEZY, YOUNG JOC, LIL JON, G-UNIT.....THE LIST GOES ON]

THERES DOZENS OF REAL TALENTED ARTISTS OUT THERE, BET AND MTV HAS BRAINWASHED THE MASSES INTO THINKING THAT THESE IDIOTS YOU SEE W/ THE SAME EXACT MODELS IN EVERY VIDEO W/ RENTED CARS ARE THE BEST RAPPERS WALKING THE EARTH.......IT SICKENS ME TO NO END

I believe that most people think that "rap" or hip/hop is all about biches and hoes have you ever listened to the the Linkin Park Reanimation album? that has rapping. and it wasn't bad. I will admit that I am not a strong supporter of rap. i do think that it is a bit over used (some themes). and that a lot of rap artists are complining about what a horrible childhood they had. but Jurassic 5 did a song with The Dave Matthews Band called work it out, which was about a guy get his girlfreind to keep what they had going.
now i make music, though it is all instrumental, it is repetitive. But if some one is good enough with a music program, they can make a song sound brilliantly innovative. alot of rap artists use loop based drum beats. aka drum loops. so the reason that the song is repetive is because the drums repeat over and over. That and the rest of the song soes not blend (disgise) that well. I find that when i listen to music, i pick apart a song. I listen to the drums and the bass one time. then i listen to the guitar or whatever the logical equivalent in the song would be.
But if you are going to hate a genre, hate ohio-emo..... cause noone wants to be emo.....

That was the point I was trying to make. -_-;

yeah, thats why I was agreeing with you

When will people accept the fact that rap music is here to stay and that it is not a fad? Ive never seen so much out right hatred for a genre of music like I have seen for rap. Some even have bumper stickers saying how much they hate it. Am I the only one that thinks that is insane?

When it comes to 99% of radio hip hop, the hatred is justifiable. But when that hatred is placed upon the entire rap genre as a whole (without considering the artists out there who deliver some of the finest lyricism of our day), then I tend to define that as just plain ignorance.

I respect people who say that's they're not really into it or it's not they're type of music. It's the people who think their music is superior and I can't stand anyone who says "that sucks" and thinks their opinion is fact...it annoys the hell out of me.

I honestly don't think people understand the complexities of legimitate hip hop production.

If you've ever listened to Timbaland or Just Blaze or someone like that explain the process that goes into making a single instrumental, you'd be pretty surprised as to how difficult and genuinely elaborate it can be.

Aside from them, there are groups like The Roots, J5 (Jurassic 5) and Atmosphere that utilize live instruments into creating their music. You know, Drums, Bass Guitar, Saxaphone etc.

As far as I know, people that say Rap isn't real music are contradicting themselves when they say that. That or have they have their head shoved so far up their ass.

Not to mention that the practice and art of Djing alone is music. Rap is music and it's production is far more complicated than people give it credit for. People think that Rapping isn't music for whatever God awful reason. Is usually on based on the fact that they don't like it and have no actual facts to base this opinion on.

Maybe because instead of singing like a Whitney Houston, Marvin Gaye or Celine Dion and just rhyming/rapping is why people think rap is not music. The ability to take words and their prefix's/suffix's as well as being able to control cadence and keeping a rhythmic count of the syllables used is far more difficult than you think or know.

Saying that rap isn't music is implying a fact and with a fact you need to have evidence to support that fact, so my suggestion for those of you that say that something isn't something, instead of saying just that, why not tell us what it IS, so that we won't have to argue about what the other person is trying to say.

So, don't say "rap isn't music". Say that, "rap is something that I don't listen to" or "rap is something that I don't respect" or "I don't know anything much about rap other than what I hear on the radio".

Sorry for the long post. I felt that I needed to say something else.

*climbs off soapbox and goes back to lurking*

because it makes you want to crawl up into a hole like a mole rat and peal your skin off.

Sciz STFU and eat a dick, it's already a well established fact that your taste in music is shit. You like Fall Out Boy, enough said.
And you spelled peel wrong.

It's already been established that this thread needs to die, NOW, before more ignorant fucks come in and pull something else out of their asses.

So people, please, stop responding.

And YOU need to take a chill pill. :P

Rap music isn't too much of a great genre for me! Like...there are a few songs (like 2) that i like. It's not making me energized, plus everyone wears out all the songs in like...2 seconds. That's why i stick to Trance, Metal, and J-pop!

Everyone wears out all the songs in like...2 seconds. <>
That's why i stick to Trance, Metal, and J-pop!
Hahahahaha!

And YOU need to take a chill pill. :P

Nah, I'm perfectly chill. I just don't have any tolerance for repeated blatant idiocy and ignorance.

Trance, metal, and j-pop? wtf

Nah, I'm perfectly chill. I just don't have any tolerance for repeated blatant idiocy and ignorance.

Trance, metal, and j-pop? wtf

Congratulations! You win a lead cape!

My major problem with rap is that there's no variety anymore. Half the songs you hear sound the same and have almost the exact same lyrics.

So, in other words...

It's bullshit.

RAP = Retards Attempt Poetry

Hahhahha , please stfu. as nobody cares about your opinion, or this thread anymore.

{Ignore this, thanks}

This thread is still going?! ROFL, what did I miss? Any emocides, any flame wars, it's been too long, you wont remember me but I remember this thread.
I stumbled on the forum again, reformat last month.

Anyway, (from a mainstream point of view, excluding underground) I reckon Rap is probably hated because of the fact something new has come along and has become more popular than it was, gaining more fans, in general a genre is bound to be hated by some of the fans of these other genres. Every genre is hated and loved but this thread aint about that case anymore, it's fact vs opinion and opinion vs opinion, so I may as well contribute something:

it aint hardcore anymoar.

Yeah they scream but the screams it's the reason that people go to concerts to loosen up, and be wild, and get drunk, you talk about rock is all bumpin each other...That's enjoying the show, what do you do in rap concerts, Tilt your head and put your hands in the air? Rap... a rap concert is an hour a guy claiming he is the best that he took a shot and he is still alive, Rock is about Screammming! Havin Fun! Hear great music with different rythms, Pits, Enjoy life, Having fun at concerts ... Rock Blows away Rap!
Everyone does that in a a rock concerts? WOW!? Anyways on to the topic,the reason why rap is hated because it's what you see on tv nowadays and mainstream rappers would make songs about anything.Like this for example,A rap arist named Lil Mama made a song called "Lip Gloss" and you can tell what it's all about by the title alone.I only hate the new stuff they release and there's only a few good arists like Kayne West,Common,Lupe Fiasco,and the list goes on.The bottom line is Rap is only a genre,Hip-Hop is a culture.
Rap=Death
Hip-Hop=Life

lol, Escalayer fails. :(

Sciz STFU and eat a dick, it's already a well established fact that your taste in music is shit. You like Fall Out Boy, enough said.
And you spelled peel wrong.

It's already been established that this thread needs to die, NOW, before more ignorant fucks come in and pull something else out of their asses.

So people, please, stop responding.

im fine with my crap. i just like to pop in with random points partaining to the title of the thread. and ergo, giveing an insightful answer to the origanal question asked. word.

Because BET/MTV, and all these radio stations are playing commercial POP music and calling it Hip-Hop..

The generation coming up doesn't know what Hip-Hop is..

When Nas named his album Hip-Hop is Dead...everybody suddenly took defense and said "Hip-Hop isn't dead"

And that is why Hip-Hop still lives..

lol, Escalayer fails. :(

and how's that so?

BUT, I will admit that rap has nothing else to say anymore. It is getting boring. There's really nothing more for rappers to rap about anymore. They're just saying the same old shit but using different words. That's it. And this is why stay bumping the classics; stuff from around '92 - about 2001, give or take a few recent releases.

Rap really doesn't say anything of merit these days. What bothers me about rap the most is that it's all about (from my brother), "Rims, shoes, clothes, and hos". And he knows that what rap is about since many of the kids he graduated from high school with are only concerned about that stuff, not making themselves better.

Mind you, I'm the kind of person that feels BET is the worst thing to ever happen to African-Americans. It's hard to take BET seriously when 106&Park is just the BET TRL, and then they run those cheap and raunchy videos late at night.

and how's that so?

It just is.

>.>; long time no see, people.

Oh, and people can sing about whatever they want and still make it a hit. Sometimes it's the lyrics, sometimes it's just the beat...whatever helps, I guess.

It just is.

>.>; long time no see, people.

Oh, and people can sing about whatever they want and still make it a hit. Sometimes it's the lyrics, sometimes it's just the beat...whatever helps, I guess.

allow me to congratulate you and your wonderful method of reasoning.

allow me to congratulate you and your wonderful method of reasoning.It's pretty true. When my nephew was younger, when he first started getting into rap, his reasoning for liking certain song was because of the cussing it contained. Now, he mostly get stuff cause of the beats, and gangsta content. Oh well.

I don't listen to it anymore. Every once in a big while, I'll get interested in a song because of the beat, then I'll listen to the words, and I'll end up liking it more.

I still lean more toward the Old School 80's early 90's stuff that i grew up with.

It's pretty true. When my nephew was younger, when he first started getting into rap, his reasoning for liking certain song was because of the cussing it contained. Now, he mostly get stuff cause of the beats, and gangsta content. Oh well.

I don't listen to it anymore. Every once in a big while, I'll get interested in a song because of the beat, then I'll listen to the words, and I'll end up liking it more.

I still lean more toward the Old School 80's early 90's stuff that i grew up with.

Um, this has to do with my post how? I'm not into rap because of the cussing and vulgar language. I listen to artists like Sage Francis, Pharoahe Monch, and Talib Kweli and stuff because I enjoy their wit, wordplay, and messages.

Were you being sarcastic, or agreeing to Tyger's post?

I was just giving an example in support of what Tyger said.

Were you being sarcastic, or agreeing to Tyger's post?

I was just giving an example in support of what Tyger said.

What we have here is a mix up in communications.
I was quoting and referring to tyger's statement about how I "fail."
I misinterpreted your post as agreeing with said statement and hence here we are now.

Actually it's Duo who said that you fails, and he's right. Online conniptions like the ones you so lovingly posted over something so trivial is a sure sign of idiocy. Since you claim to despise stupidity and ignorance, that would also make you a bloody hypocrite, hence the lead cape comment.

People hate rap because it sounds to gangster. It always talks about sex, money and all that killing stuff. personnaly i think its okay

People hate rap because it sounds to gangster. It always talks about sex, money and all that killing stuff. personnaly i think its okayThat's why people are ignorant. Just like there are variations of Rock, there's also variations of Rap. Gangster Rap just happend to become more prominate, now there's different variations of it depending on what part of the US it's from.

i've always wondered, why is rap music bashed by people?

i mean, they say they objectify the women in their videos. well, those woemn wanted to be invideos, so they obviously knew what it would mean. the lyrics cause people to comit violent acts? anyone who can be influenced by the music doesn't need to be allowed in public in the first place. if i made a rap song aboput climbing a mountain, would you go hiking? you just plain don't understand it? well, i don't get punk rock, or emo rock, or whatever the media's callin it.

so please tell me, why don't you like rap? if you like, post your theories anyway.

i grew up listening to everything:Rap, rock, jazz, pop, etc.ve always loved rap but now with most of the rap thats out now its pure garbage.For instance:Huey, Hurricane,Da shop boyz, Crime mob, DJ Webstar, etc. I only have a handful of rappers I listen to now.Redman,Lupe Fiasco,Tre Hardson,The Pharcyde,Bone Thugs,Termanology,etc.I've grown out of the little party/club songs that i loved in high school.

Actually it's Duo who said that you fails, and he's right. Online conniptions like the ones you so lovingly posted over something so trivial is a sure sign of idiocy. Since you claim to despise stupidity and ignorance, that would also make you a bloody hypocrite, hence the lead cape comment.

Disregard every post I've made within the last few months or so.

Mind you, I'm the kind of person that feels BET is the worst thing to ever happen to African-Americans. It's hard to take BET seriously when 106&Park is just the BET TRL, and then they run those cheap and raunchy videos late at night.

BET Uncut has been cancelled for like 2 years now.

I dunno about you, but christian rap is a hit in the churches and it's almost as common as the gangsta rap.

Christian rap is not a hit in churches, maybe christian concerts/conventions but not churches.

BET Uncut has been cancelled for like 2 years now.

Shows that I didn't like BET's format enough to keep watching the network.

Either way, it doesn't change the fact that a majority of what's being shown is the rims/shoes/clothes/hoes music, and that's really misleading since there's so much more to hip-hop and rap than Young Jeezy.

True indeed.

Christian rap is not a hit in churches, maybe christian concerts/conventions but not churches.Wouldn't be surprised, but still, if you think about it the whole concept of Christian Rap or Rock is quite hypocritical!

It doesn't change the fact that a majority of what's being shown is the rims/shoes/clothes/hoes music, and that's really misleading.Well, what do you expect, ever since Rap got accepted on MTV it's gone down the drain, showing the spectacle rather than the message aspect.

The problem with BET is the fact that they contradict themselves. They try sending the positive message, yet they reinforce the commercial side since they need the funding. Not necessarily selling out, but give and take.


OOPS, double post!

listen to saul williams,hes pretty good.

just saying

The problem with BET is the fact that they contradict themselves. They try sending the positive message, yet they reinforce the commercial side since they need the funding. Not necessarily selling out, but give and take.

There is absolutely nothing positive about BET nor have they tried to send out any positive images of or messages about black people.

And I'll give you a PERFECT example of a contradiction: Al Sharpton at the BET Awards.

There is absolutely nothing positive about BET nor have they tried to send out any positive images of or messages about black people.

And I'll give you a PERFECT example of a contradiction: Al Sharpton at the BET Awards.I forgot what the show was called, but it was about the history of Hip Hop, and it seemed very positive to me.

but yeah, there's a lot of shows that are very stereotypical, but apparently it's okay when black people stereotype black people!

Because it makes Hairless Mole Rats grow hair. Which...... was just not meant to be...

Rap is hated? o_o Rap is like...everywhere. There's like no pop anymore because all mainstream music is slowly turning into hip-hop. Aside from Rock. That's to me anyway. *_*

Anywho, I don't like rap because I can't compare to it. It doesn't appeal to who I am and my nature. It may be the same for most people who dislike it. But I do like the beats though.

Because BET/MTV, and all these radio stations are playing commercial POP music and calling it Hip-Hop..

The generation coming up doesn't know what Hip-Hop is..

When Nas named his album Hip-Hop is Dead...everybody suddenly took defense and said "Hip-Hop isn't dead"

And that is why Hip-Hop still lives..

Besides this reason, idiots like MTV/BET/VH1, and all these radio stations out there are trying to appeal to the average "pop-culture" loser, instead of real music enthusiasts...

It's no wonder FM radio, and even internet radio (eventually due to rising royalty fees by 1200% come July 15th) will always be unlistenable until God says no more and destroys Earth for our ignorance and stupidity.

-ShaqZero- Grow a pair, Repent, REPENT!!! BOYCOTT THE RADIO!!!

Ehhhhn.. Who The Fuck Cares anyway? Not my problem...

I only Listen to video game music now as my primary anyway...

-ShaqZero- Video Game Music Kicks ass. Always will!!!

Rap is hated? o_o Rap is like...everywhere. There's like no pop anymore because all mainstream music is slowly turning into hip-hop. Aside from Rock. That's to me anyway. *_*

Must be talking about that cruddy "southern hip-hop" sound that a good number of mainstream artists (term used loosely) have adopted to make a quick buck.

The nails were already in the coffin for hip-hop but the now popular southern sub-genre hammered them in and buried it.

I only Listen to video game music now as my primary anyway...


I'm getting to that point, too. It's usually a game OST, arrange or remix unless I'm running the radio tuned to classical, jazz, or NPR.

That's not to say I don't run something mainstream from time to time.

I still believe that people hate rap music because it's all about rims, shoes, clothes and hos. There's not a whole lot positive or constructive in the mainstreamed rap that most of America hears.

Exactly! Totally agree!

My disdain for rap simply comes from the fact that I find it annoying and grating. I want to hear people singing, not talking over a three-measure drum loop with a "Waaanh waaaanh..." sound in the background. If you like that, that's your own business, just don't blast it next door while I'm trying to sleep. If you'll excuse me, I have some Billy Idol to listen to.

I also hate it when they take a song that I like and cannibalize it for their own use. I really like Breakfast in America, I own it on vinyl. But Gym Class Heroes almost ruined it for me with their ripoff of it. I stopped hating vaguely faithful covers (damn you, Lenny Kravitz!) quite so much when I heard this song. Ugh.

I don't necessarily hate the style with a big enough passion to exclude all songs, though. Weird Al does some pretty silly rap songs that I enjoy. But that's just how I see the genre - silly as hell. So if I see a really silly rap song, I might laugh and move on, but am I going to view it as a legitimate piece of well-written music? No...just, no.

I just dislike rap culture. The lyrics aren't inspiring and they don't teach lessons like in the early days of rap. They just teach me to treat women like hos and to pop a cap in anyone who fux with my shit, yo!

I like the beats though.

My disdain for rap simply comes from the fact that I find it annoying and grating. I want to hear people singing, not talking over a three-measure drum loop with a "Waaanh waaaanh..." sound in the background. If you like that, that's your own business, just don't blast it next door while I'm trying to sleep. If you'll excuse me, I have some Billy Idol to listen to.

I also hate it when they take a song that I like and cannibalize it for their own use. I really like Breakfast in America, I own it on vinyl. But Gym Class Heroes almost ruined it for me with their ripoff of it. I stopped hating vaguely faithful covers (damn you, Lenny Kravitz!) quite so much when I heard this song. Ugh.I agree, I hate hearing it when I'm trying to get some sleep! Unless it's a party and the weekend, then it's understandable.

As for sampling rock songs, I hate them unless done right.
Example: RunDMC's "Walk This Way" is Great.
P. Diddy's "Come With Me" (Led Zep's Kashmir sample) Hate it with a passion. Some are bad, and other are awesome. It just depends on how its done.


I don't necessarily hate the style with a big enough passion to exclude all songs, though. Weird Al does some pretty silly rap songs that I enjoy. But that's just how I see the genre - silly as hell. So if I see a really silly rap song, I might laugh and move on, but am I going to view it as a legitimate piece of well-written music? No...just, no.So you'll give credit to a novelty mock of the genre, rather than actually try and listen to a good rap song. That's just close mindedness. That's the same like my friends who love Rap, can't stand Rock because "all they do is just yell!"
I still managed to set them straight, and now they even like some rock songs.

Setting down tracks isn't as easy as you think it is. Sampling and Dubbing are pretty hard to do. Just like orchestrating instruments in a song, you have to have a good ear to get a good sound. Regardless of the words, look at anything produced by Dr.Dre, his tracks are seamless & flawless (you can't tell where the cuts are). This goes the same with Electronica music. Just by listening to it, you can tell what DJs are good and which just suck.

One more reason could be: Because it's not the most popular form of music anymore and it usually seen as 1337 or cool or something to see the dominant genre of a previous era as "gay, crap, shit, bollocks, bad, uncreative" and all that kind of stuff.

Obviously I'm a dirty moshing rocking metalhead teenager. I'm biased by default.

Rap nowadays suck.......some people from back in the day are doing good tho

What I mean is that rap in the 90s was the shit, because it was new styles and flows and it was a competition kinda....now
*sighs*

It's all about getting crunk and shit

I was born in Compton and now I live in the "ATL" and it's fuckin depressing.....I mean it's okay to get crunk and act a fool....but at get2gethers and parties....not all the time

over here....Thta's all they do....dance and get crunk and shit


Rap now all have instructions on what to do
Move to ya left...do this....crank that...I like the beats and shit..but at fuckin parties and shit...not walking down the street or in church....yes in church..some do...hell now they are trying to mix the 2 together....gospel and "ATL music"...noooooooo

I wanna go back to Cali, every week there is a new song with the same shit in the verses..just maybe a new step or phase and a similar new beat that sounds like the others

That's why I stick with the old stuff

Rap nowadays is bringing the black community down even more sadly.....oh yeah...I'm 4nowlaters

It's so dumb, i mean anyone can do it, & there music beats are totally crap i mean why can't they think of anything new to add besides the same beat all of the time...every rap song sounds the same.

Rap is hated? o_o Rap is like...everywhere. There's like no pop anymore because all mainstream music is slowly turning into hip-hop. Aside from Rock. That's to me anyway. *_*

Anywho, I don't like rap because I can't compare to it. It doesn't appeal to who I am and my nature. It may be the same for most people who dislike it. But I do like the beats though.

See? THis person gets it. Its not just about the lyrics (Although its a large part of it). When people hear the words "rap" or "Hip-hop" odds are 10-1 that the first thing that comes to their minds are "bitches, hos, fuck the police, and bling"

Ironicly, thats what mainly being shown.

for me the only good modern day rap i hear are in movies like: you got served and stomp the yard. any other rap i can't stand because it gives me the biggest headachem, i love rock end of story, lol

^^^you got served? stomp the yard? lol dat ish SUCKS its all the major labels fault, its all about the money, learning the newest dance, clubbin, cars and gettin a groupie cluckheadz affection...... no one is tryin to teach the youth and open the eyes of the public anymore..... fuck da mainstream and radio stations, i personally look for strictly independent artists, theyre hard to find but theyre out there. way better content like the early 90s ish

Wow, if you think rap is all about cars, degrading women & blings. Then, you listen to Del, Talib Kweli, Jurassic 5, Common, Pharoah Monch, Canibus, Killah Priest, Ras Kass, Outkast, Blackalicious, Bone Thugs, etc.......

it's probably hated because rap music is more like raw vulgar poetry than music.

I stabbed a hooker in the face
blah blah blah
stepped on a rake
etc etc

I molested a goose
blah blah blah
seemed pretty loose...

This thread has become pointless. I wish some Mod would close it. It's just getting ridiculous.

This thread is pointless, I wish some Mod would close it. It's just getting ridiculous.

There are many, many worse and more pointless threads than this one. This one is basically bashing anything African.

Like AFRICAN HEALTHCARE WTF?!

it's probably hated because rap music is more like raw vulgar poetry than music.

I stabbed a hooker in the face
blah blah blah
stepped on a rake
etc etc

I molested a goose
blah blah blah
seemed pretty loose...

unce unce unce
i'd hit that
bloop bloop bloop
take that back


Sorry. Couldnt help myself with adding to it.

There are many, many worse and more pointless threads than this one. This one is basically bashing anything African.

Like AFRICAN HEALTHCARE WTF?!
Lol, said the CANADIAN guy. *Winks*

it's probably hated because rap music is more like raw vulgar poetry than music.

I stabbed a hooker in the face
blah blah blah
stepped on a rake
etc etc

I molested a goose
blah blah blah
seemed pretty loose...


unce unce unce
i'd hit that
bloop bloop bloop
take that back


Cruise the internet on my high-speed modem
*Pew pew pew.*
Porn is great, it tickles my scrotum


Sorry. Couldnt help myself with adding to it.

Guilty as charged, too.

Hey, as far as I'm concerned you guys are at least as talented as any rap star out there to date. It's amazing how little time it takes to arrange a song when you don't have to play the instruments or write any melodies.

Haha, modem+scrotum=genius. You won't see 50 cent coming up with quality stuff like that. AFRICAN HEALTHCARE FTW!

It's amazing how little time it takes to arrange a song when you don't have to play the instruments or write any melodies.

You'd be shocked into how much time and effort goes into a lot hip-hop tracks, but you have to look beyond what's presented to you from mainstream outlets. There's a lot of great stuff out there not being played on MTV, the radio, etc.

And oh, as for that "don't play instruments" comment, you really should look into a hip-hop group called The Roots. A simple Google search will instantly prove you wrong.


This thread has become pointless. I wish some Mod would close it. It's just getting ridiculous.

I agree that it's time to send it off.

i don't like RAP, because it doesn't have a good message(im black LOL of course)
i love hip-hop though because we get to go against oppression that way but honestly my people what happened to the good ol rock n' roll we invented,(jimi hendrix,e.t.c)i don't appreciate rap at all, theres a difference between hip-hop and rap(its hard to explain)

with all of that said im a huge fan of j-music,punk,house music,and (Asian and euro music)and alternative in general i don't listen to rap anymore

one thing i must add is not all rock is great for example listen to fall out boy,then listen to madina lake....they sound the same right? now go listen to the smashing pumpkins,and van halen get my drift?the thing about new rock bands I HATE SO MUCH IS they think they can just get out a guitar and talk about how life sucks and they're getting a record deal...well they SHOULD NOT!!! the reason why is because rock isn't all about hate and sorrow rock is about freedom and love for your fans and crew,(sometimes bashing the establishment,but metal took care of that for us thank you metal!!!) and also (no offense)those gay names like the academy is...WTF (don't get me wrong i like some of they're music)don't think im done yet rap your next rap i hate that you can't talk about something great besides the fact that you rode on 35 women last night or how you robbed that motherfucker's house last night,its the same thing even Ice-T can do a better job than you you think your so cool just because you got shot 20 times (id be messed up if i got shot that many times and lived) and one last thing whats up with those GAY names like:lil' boosie ,or 50 CENT,and lil' mama you sound like trash with those names at least have a cool group name god........my piece is in any questions?

id just like to say even tho nigga stole my bike, Bill cosby does make me laugh

my piece is in any questions?

Yes. Just what in the hell was that post?

Guys, I just had an epiphany. This fucking thread has been going on for two years, and it's now going in circles, stick it in the archive, and close this bitch down.

Guys, I just had an epiphany. This fucking thread has been going on for two years, and it's now going in circles, stick it in the archive, and close this bitch down.

Good advice, from Ricky The Great.

It's jungle beat for retard niggers.>:O

It's jungle beat for retard niggers.>:O

hahahahhahahaha. I find it funny how far africans have come from their roots. All they had is drums and yelping in africa, you give them a synthesizer and they think they're the king of music.

lolol i make sum smart racist remark so i am so kool now

Now THAT'S being a true nigger.

CLOSE THIS YOU LAZY MODS.

hahahahhahahaha. I find it funny how far africans have come from their roots. All they had is drums and yelping in africa, you give them a synthesizer and they think they're the king of music.Yes because yelping to electric guitar of nonsensical stories is all the rage.

hahahahhahahaha. I find it funny how far africans have come from their roots. All they had is drums and yelping in africa, you give them a synthesizer and they think they're the king of music.
That's funny, cause if it wasn't for Blacks putting soul into music, pop culture as we know it, wouldn't be the same.

That's funny, cause if it wasn't for Blacks putting soul into music, pop culture as we know it, wouldn't be the same.

You're absolutely right. Imagine how good our cultural aesthetic qualities would been...had we put them all violently to death the way we should have...

Compare for a moment the contributions of Africa to that of a modernized european nation. If the Africans got their way, they would spread everywhere contaminating the planet with HIV.

Pollution and global warming are problems. But Black music/culture should be put to rest first.

Oh hell..... its the Maester race again.

Signed, Jesus was not white

You're absolutely right. Imagine how good our cultural aesthetic qualities would been...had we put them all violently to death the way we should have...

Compare for a moment the contributions of Africa to that of a modernized european nation. If the Africans got their way, they would spread everywhere contaminating the planet with HIV.

Pollution and global warming are problems. But Black music/culture should be put to rest first.Sorry my friend, That's not what I was talking about.
With out Blacks, we wouldn't have Blues, Jazz, Swing, and any other contributor to Rock.

and since you want to go there, Europe wouldn't be any where if it hadn't been for Africa.

Anyways

Get your facts straight:

Study REAL history and not just the stuff that suits your way of thinking!

OR

Keep living in denial about everything, step aside and let the world go on with out your backward way of thought.

word

I like good rap: Mac Dre, N.W.A, Outkast, Goodie Mob, Nas, and etc... I hate the mainstream rap a lot.

Y-Y-Y-Y-YAYAH!


I like good rap: Mac Dre, N.W.A, Outkast, Goodie Mob, Nas, and etc... I hate the mainstream rap a lot.
LMAO!!!
Can anyone else see the contradiction?




30treei8, don't worry, I know what you meant! :cool:

You're absolutely right. Imagine how good our cultural aesthetic qualities would been...had we put them all violently to death the way we should have...

Compare for a moment the contributions of Africa to that of a modernized european nation. If the Africans got their way, they would spread everywhere contaminating the planet with HIV.

Pollution and global warming are problems. But Black music/culture should be put to rest first.

Some years ago, I spent a delightful few months in Canada. Where were they hiding an ignorant pissmop like you?


With out Blacks, we wouldn't have Blues, Jazz, Swing, and any other contributor to Rock.

Indeed: No black music = no Elvis, no Beatles or Stones (all of whom started out covering Black originals in the days of musical Jim Crow.) No Elvis, Beatles or Stones means pretty much no "white" rock or pop at all, as most bands rightly claim them as an influence.

I respect the blacks for coming up with their own music, I don't mind blacks one bit. Hearing too much of it (Rap/Hip-Hop) is a pain in the ass to deal with though. Its all about the same 4 or 5 things: sex, money, women, streets, gangs and other people its gets kinda annoying and old after about 1 song or 2. What I really really hate is white people taking this music and basically turning it as their own, double that annoyance except its with a white person, example: K-Fed, Eminem and all of them. They are nothing but die-hard wannabes that are just ripping off from the blacks once again, black people don't go to rock music too much...Just hate the whites gaying up the genre and I'm white so I'm slightly ashamed..

I respect the blacks for coming up with their own music

I'd wager they appreciate that. A lot.


Its all about the same 4 or 5 things: sex, money, women, streets, gangs and other people its gets kinda annoying and old after about 1 song or 2.

Pharcyde, De La Soul, Guru, Arrested Development, Dr. Octagon , The Fugees... and the beat goes on...

Double post. Evidently.

I respect the blacks for coming up with their own music, I don't mind blacks one bit. Hearing too much of it (Rap/Hip-Hop) is a pain in the ass to deal with though. Its all about the same 4 or 5 things: sex, money, women, streets, gangs and other people its gets kinda annoying and old after about 1 song or 2. What I really really hate is white people taking this music and basically turning it as their own, double that annoyance except its with a white person, example: K-Fed, Eminem and all of them. They are nothing but die-hard wannabes that are just ripping off from the blacks once again, black people don't go to rock music too much...Just hate the whites gaying up the genre and I'm white so I'm slightly ashamed..I don't like Eminem, but at least he has street cred that isn't fake. K-fed on the other hand, is another story.
I was seeing the recent interview Kid Rock did on Larry King, and he said some pretty interesting things. He pretty much said that Hip Hop is for everyone, and it doesn't mean you have to act like a hip hop stereotype by pretending you're from the "hood". If you want respect, you just be true and act like yourself.

As for Black rockers, there's quite a few:
Aside from Lenny Kravitz, and Prince,
Living Colour, Bad Brains, Bodycount, Skindred, Hepcat, Fishbone, Killswitch Engage, God Forbid, Sevendust, Incubus, Dave Mathews Band, The Specials...

...I could go on!

Ahh Prince. David Bowie for black people.

Not that I don't love it anyway.

i support pokerap 100%

rap on

Which is worse more rap or more Paris Hilton crap hogging up the airwaves. Personally I could listen to an entire Too Short album twice over that "Turn it up" song! :mad:

She has songs now??

Guys, I just had an epiphany. This fucking thread has been going on for two years, and it's now going in circles, stick it in the archive, and close this bitch down.

Which is worse more rap or more Paris Hilton crap hogging up the airwaves. Personally I could listen to an entire Too Short album twice over that "Turn it up" song! :mad:

"These are the tales, the freaky tales, these are the tales that i tell so well"

Signed, T. Short

I used to like rap...but now I can't stand the crap. Sex, money, hoes. If you heard one song, you heard them all. Except good hip hop like Theory Hazit or Chalwell. But besides that, rap is garbage.

It forced me to look elsewhere for music now I listen to Metal such as As I Lay Dying, Killswitch Engaged, Blessed the Fall etc.

I used to like rap...but now I can't stand the crap. Sex, money, hoes. If you heard one song, you heard them all. Except good hip hop like Theory Hazit or Chalwell. But besides that, rap is garbage.

err... Theory Haz... good?

Man, rap, hip hop, and all these generalizations..... As a whole, commercial music is not that good these days. But calling a whole genre crap, is crap. Good music is all about time, place and how you interpret it. I dont recall a beastie boys song about b!tches money or hoes.... Tribe Called Quest, Gangstarr, Common.... There are too many good artists that you or I have never and probably heard of to call anyone genre crap.

That said.... mainstream hip-hop these days does suck

"I got money in the bank, shorty watcha thank"

err... Theory Haz... good?

Man, rap, hip hop, and all these generalizations..... As a whole, commercial music is not that good these days. But calling a whole genre crap, is crap. Good music is all about time, place and how you interpret it. I dont recall a beastie boys song about b!tches money or hoes.... Tribe Called Quest, Gangstarr, Common.... There are too many good artists that you or I have never and probably heard of to call anyone genre crap.

That said.... mainstream hip-hop these days does suck

"I got money in the bank, shorty watcha thank"


I feel you...but for ever one Good record Gangstarr, Common, and Tribe Called Quest had, you have 20,000 souljah boy song for each one. Think about this.
You can buy a complete 4 minute song for .99 cents. Or pay $1.99 for a 30 second ringtone...something is wrong with that...

Yea, there is a lot of shite out there.

I recently started listening to Murs n 9th Wonder, pretty solid.

I agree with you dicodan, I just wish hip hop would get back to the way it was

Rapper's Delight on repeat will remedy the situation.

Rapper's Delight on repeat will remedy the situation.

"Have you ever been over a friends house to eat, and the food jus aint no good"
"I mean the macaroni salad n peas are mush and the chicken taste like wood"

So you try and play it off like you think you can by sayin' that you're full,
and then your friend says "Mama, he's just being polite. He ain't finished. Uh-uh, that's bull!"

hA!!

Im changing my name to Wonder Mike today!

errr was is Wonder Mic..........

Well, I can't stand rap because it concentrates way too much in lyrics instead of MUSIC. I also prefer instrumental music anyway, so rap is definently not for me.

Rap sings about violence to much and when kids hear that stuff they think commiting crimes like pistol whipping someone is neat.Pretty much kids without direction who in thier strugle to be noticed or different end up like all the rest,followers and not leaders.Making a living off of selling woman drugs and peoples property all while carrying a gun and acting tough or #1 may sound neat until u eat a bullet just for ur sneakers.The rich white man loves rap while saying he hates it cause it takes down the black man in a way.Kids without fathers listen to those actors like 50 and take it literal its like wrestling its real but its not completly real its buissness.No one is really beefing all the time it sells records just like tu pac dying did with his over 50 songs about him dying coming out the next day.You know how many fights probly happened in the world for they could make money everyone was like east coast west coast bla bla money bla.Kids were on the streets beating the shit out of eachother because of wwf slash rap entertainment.I feel for the communities that get crapped on and the kids who cant play outside like there in jail even before there 18.To be above influence of others is to be a real man in my opinion.I may not be right on this all its just an opinion.

they just make no sense.

Rap sings about violence to much and when kids hear that stuff they think commiting crimes like pistol whipping someone is neat.Pretty much kids without direction who in thier strugle to be noticed or different end up like all the rest,followers and not leaders.Making a living off of selling woman drugs and peoples property all while carrying a gun and acting tough or #1 may sound neat until u eat a bullet just for ur sneakers.The rich white man loves rap while saying he hates it cause it takes down the black man in a way.Kids without fathers listen to those actors like 50 and take it literal its like wrestling its real but its not completly real its buissness.No one is really beefing all the time it sells records just like tu pac dying did with his over 50 songs about him dying coming out the next day.You know how many fights probly happened in the world for they could make money everyone was like east coast west coast bla bla money bla.Kids were on the streets beating the shit out of eachother because of wwf slash rap entertainment.I feel for the communities that get crapped on and the kids who cant play outside like there in jail even before there 18.To be above influence of others is to be a real man in my opinion.I may not be right on this all its just an opinion.
That's mass generalization, I could say Rock is a bunch of desperate, depressed emos, mashing Electric Guitar chords, but that's only one form. Do background research before you just come from your high-horse saying, blah, blah, violence, fatherless, children, kids without direction, There's more to rap, then what you're portraying, even mainstream rap has evolved pass Gangsta Rap.


Well, I can't stand rap because it concentrates way too much in lyrics instead of MUSIC. I also prefer instrumental music anyway, so rap is definitely not for me. Not entirely true there are some great songs with instrumental scores, Try some Kanye West songs, from Late Registration.

because like the blues, it sucks

oh!
They all take about sex, money, women, and gold chains
They always repeat the beat
They think they're cool
They have NO reputation (so THIS is why they act like rappers)
They sound like posers because of the repeative beats taken from other rap songs and music, and take some lyrics from it too

oh!
They all take about sex, money, women, and gold chains
They always repeat the beat
They think they're cool
They have NO reputation (so THIS is why they act like rappers)
They sound like posers because of the repeative beats taken from other rap songs and music, and take some lyrics from it too

What he said.

what SHE said, to correct you

what SHE said, to correct you

Oops. Sorry.

no worries.
but suspiciously...THEY ARE NERDS IN DISGUISE!

Because The voices told me so! Yo.

?_?

oh!
They all take about sex, money, women, and gold chains
They always repeat the beat
They think they're cool
They have NO reputation (so THIS is why they act like rappers)
They sound like posers because of the repeative beats taken from other rap songs and music, and take some lyrics from it too

Who doesn't talk about sex, money, and women? Nobody cares about gold chains.
Listen to some real music, you ass-twat,
Self-delusion is a huge part of modern day music
You make no sense, Nobody acts like a rapper, can some body act like a football player? No, either you are or you aren't.
You sound like an ass because, you are mass generalizing an entire genre because, you listen to shitty music.
Also sentence structure motherfucker, do you use it?

rappers act like aggressive image obsessed immature dickheads because of the 'personality' and picture they've conjured and grown around them from growing up in a ghetto somewhere and being involved in all the desperate street lifestyles surrounding their hopeless, pointless sprawling urban jungle of shit; gang violence and drug taking or distribution and trying to foster an identity for their particular rundown shithole; then they talk really fast about it all or yell some rubbish really quickly, or both, in a recording studio with some label and production arseholes who think that will be some sort of positive influence on other kids in similar situations, or perhaps are just cold blooded, smart rats and know they'll make a lot of moolah out of it and get some more rep and exposure in the process. sometimes, they'll bleat like peter andre with a computer shoved up his arse about licking nipples and buying houses with champagne water and ivory tvs, or some fit bint they want to shag, and call it r'n'b

these fucking rappers then become rich, buy homes and enter the elite circuit, bringing their fucking attitudes and beefs with them, as well as their specific type of arrogant 'culture'. and their enormous, vast and all-coloured myriad of dangerously shitbrained fans, never-ending in supply because of the vast range of different lifestyles and neighbourhoods and circumstances all over the world, support the careers of these fuckings cunts by transcribing their 'culture' back onto the streets and glamourising the absolute cuntwaste they 'sing' about. its the fucking fans that glamourise it.

no music genre is without its problems and detriments and shitfaced dickheads, but rap, and r'n'b, and dancehall, and uk garage and all that fucking shit, which can lets be honest be pigeonholed into one big genre because its all essentially the same and is all interconnected, is by far the biggest insult to music. its all tacky, throwaway, talentless, dangerous, inciteful, substanceless, 'stylish' rubbish.

of course i've completely ignored all the honest, hard working kids who've tried to sing about genuinly relevant things, or who've tried to rap poetry or about issues to make people really think, or haven't followed the bandwagon, or haven't embraced or immersed themselves in the network and lifestyle im talking about, or who simply dont sound like talentless wired lookatme faggots. i even confess to liking the odd song and artist. i think some of tupacs music is genuinly good and interesting, and alicia keys early output is wonderful. but generally, it's a shit medium.

one last thing, rap music isn't hated, the majority of people, which by extension implies that most people are fucking dickheads, love rap music and some live by it.

A good chunk of popular Rap today isn't moral to me. I like behaving as a Christian should as best I can. Can't really do that to well if I listened to BET.

rappers act like aggressive image obsessed immature dickheads because of the 'personality' and picture they've conjured and grown around them from growing up in a ghetto somewhere and being involved in all the desperate street lifestyles surrounding their hopeless, pointless sprawling urban jungle of shit; gang violence and drug taking or distribution and trying to foster an identity for their particular rundown shithole; then they talk really fast about it all or yell some rubbish really quickly, or both, in a recording studio with some label and production arseholes who think that will be some sort of positive influence on other kids in similar situations, or perhaps are just cold blooded, smart rats and know they'll make a lot of moolah out of it and get some more rep and exposure in the process. sometimes, they'll bleat like peter andre with a computer shoved up his arse about licking nipples and buying houses with champagne water and ivory tvs, or some fit bint they want to shag, and call it r'n'b

these fucking rappers then become rich, buy homes and enter the elite circuit, bringing their fucking attitudes and beefs with them, as well as their specific type of arrogant 'culture'. and their enormous, vast and all-coloured myriad of dangerously shitbrained fans, never-ending in supply because of the vast range of different lifestyles and neighbourhoods and circumstances all over the world, support the careers of these fuckings cunts by transcribing their 'culture' back onto the streets and glamourising the absolute cuntwaste they 'sing' about. its the fucking fans that glamourise it.

no music genre is without its problems and detriments and shitfaced dickheads, but rap, and r'n'b, and dancehall, and uk garage and all that fucking shit, which can lets be honest be pigeonholed into one big genre because its all essentially the same and is all interconnected, is by far the biggest insult to music. its all tacky, throwaway, talentless, dangerous, inciteful, substanceless, 'stylish' rubbish.

of course i've completely ignored all the honest, hard working kids who've tried to sing about genuinly relevant things, or who've tried to rap poetry or about issues to make people really think, or haven't followed the bandwagon, or haven't embraced or immersed themselves in the network and lifestyle im talking about, or who simply dont sound like talentless wired lookatme faggots. i even confess to liking the odd song and artist. i think some of tupacs music is genuinly good and interesting, and alicia keys early output is wonderful. but generally, it's a shit medium.

one last thing, rap music isn't hated, the majority of people, which by extension implies that most people are fucking dickheads, love rap music and some live by it.

You're labeling people you know and listen to, I can assure you rappers don't act like that. Just because a monkey or two jumps off a cliff, doesn't make jumping off a cliff a monkey's trait. Mass-Generalization, is pure, hypocrisy. You are just digging fuck out of the radio, and eating it for supper, You say it's talentless, can you do better, can you write poetry and recite it to a beat, can you align your lyrics and your beat simultaneously, can you do this off the top of your head. If you said yes to any of this one you are a got damned liar. If you want to slam a genre it takes much more than flpiping on a radio, and saying this sucks, and bitching on a forum, do some research, listen to old skool, underground, some unoffical, and unsigned rappers.

As far a R'n'B, once again do research, what I've derived from your post is, I listen to garbage, for about a minute make snap judgnments on somethings I just dn't know what the fuck I'm talking about, but since I've heard, so it MUST be true.

TK, Mandi, Sarah, someone, please, for the love of all that is tranny, close this bitch down!

shit spewed by some idiot who probably wears oversized clothes

they dont play instruments. ergo, they are, in comparison to real musicians, talentless.

it's NOT poetry. the vast majority of mainstream rap, well pretty much all of it, is not poetry. it's fucking insulting to real poetry to label it poetry.

my post accounted for the the unsigned, underground, old school, interesting and clever etc. rappers that i ignored.

i dont think you know what the fuck you're talking about, to be honest.


TK, Mandi, Sarah, someone, please, for the love of all that is tranny, close this bitch down!

sorry, i saw the topic and felt compelled to post my thoughts.

I like the clothing.

they dont play instruments. ergo, they are, in comparison to real musicians, talentless.

it's NOT poetry. the vast majority of mainstream rap, well pretty much all of it, is not poetry. it's fucking insulting to real poetry to label it poetry.

my post accounted for the the unsigned, underground, old school, interesting and clever etc. rappers that i ignored.

i dont think you know what the fuck you're talking about, to be honest.



sorry, i saw the topic and felt compelled to post my thoughts.

Producer/Rappers like Pharel, DrDre and Kanye are artists and musicians in thier own rite, they play instruments (piano, guitar, bass, sax)and or write the score to the music u hate. Even manipulate the samples they "steal" so that something you've probably hear before, sound like nothing you've heard before.

Speaking of Poetry, many artists like MosDef, and even Tupac have been published in several literary journals. If these people lived in your hood, they probably would be writing too much about sex n violence, errr but maybe why their parents neglected them as kids.... and thats why we have rock!

Joke!

Just say its not for you, just like i can say i dont like country music, not because i think its some southern white american stereotype... i just dont care for it, it doesnt talk to me and i cant relate.

they dont play instruments. ergo, they are, in comparison to real musicians, talentless.

it's NOT poetry. the vast majority of mainstream rap, well pretty much all of it, is not poetry. it's fucking insulting to real poetry to label it poetry.

my post accounted for the the unsigned, underground, old school, interesting and clever etc. rappers that i ignored.

i dont think you know what the fuck you're talking about, to be honest.



sorry, i saw the topic and felt compelled to post my thoughts.

1) Because pop singers can play instruments? That's incredibly uninformed.

2) how is it not poetry? there is a rhythm a, rhyme scheme, and a body.

3)I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about for real, You say it's all subjective, and portrays a violent, and vain image, then you say you accounted for those whom I said, you have falsely portrayed. I've been listening to all types of music since birth, I'm not subjective to anyone, but you seem hell-bent on ostracizing Rap and R'n'B.

*Further....

On most rap albums theres usually a song or 2 about trading in all the money & success for having a normal life without the violence and madness.

1) Because pop singers can play instruments? That's incredibly uninformed.

2) how is it not poetry? there is a rhythm a, rhyme scheme, and a body.

3)I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about for real, You say it's all subjective, and portrays a violent, and vain image, then you say you accounted for those whom I said, you have falsely portrayed. I've been listening to all types of music since birth, I'm not subjective to anyone, but you seem hell-bent on ostracizing Rap and R'n'B.

1) i dont listen to fucking pop, that genre is a general insult to music.

2) i consider poetry to be original, emotive, affecting, relevant, interesting usage of words, and mainstream rap is not that, it's the same couple of vain, self obsessed, elitist subject matters regurgitated again and again, with the same current popular slang words screamed randomly during these songs to sound fresh.

3) read my fucking posts again, i've already said more then once that there are many artists of merit who rap and it isn't the entire genre that is worthless, my ire is mainly focussed on the mainstream rap / r'n'b scene.


Producer/Rappers like Pharel, DrDre and Kanye are artists and musicians in thier own rite, they play instruments (piano, guitar, bass, sax)and or write the score to the music u hate. Even manipulate the samples they "steal" so that something you've probably hear before, sound like nothing you've heard before.

Speaking of Poetry, many artists like MosDef, and even Tupac have been published in several literary journals. If these people lived in your hood, they probably would be writing too much about sex n violence, errr but maybe why their parents neglected them as kids.... and thats why we have rock!

Joke!

Just say its not for you, just like i can say i dont like country music, not because i think its some southern white american stereotype... i just dont care for it, it doesnt talk to me and i cant relate.

i already said i liked tupac and considered his work genuinly interesting, read my posts. and some producers have a lot of talent, but a lot of them don't use it to make interesting music, instead sticking to a popular, overused, formulaic style of music to guarantee commercial success and keep the cashflow rolling for further production and lifestyle and whatever else.

i did say it wasnt for me, and then went on to outline why i consider it an affront to music. i am of course referring to mainstream hiphop, r'n'b, dancehall, ukg and the rest of it.

i also fuckin hate country, it sounds like shit :P i like rave, trance, house, d'n'b, jungle, breakbeat techno, ambient etc. but i can appreciate that it is a sample based industry that also goes hand in hand with glamour and image and drugs; i love all kinds of rock, such as punk (true punk, british old school and 80s hardcore) some prog bands, some metal bands, some industrial bands, some folk, accoustic, hippy, all the new brit indie (got a few mates in bands) and 90s indie and mod and all that but i can also appreciate that all those genres have flaws and so on. i like some jazz and blues, but i know thats not for everyone. make what you will of it.

ultra magnus mentioned pop (what a fucking waste of singing talent and session musicians and business nous, and a symbol of soulless capitalism, that is). mainstream rap is a dangerous, glamourous and tacky offshoot of that, and is what im talking about.

I see you workin.

I'm not the one to put a funk on someones personal taste. However, what is mainstream hip hop today includes a whole cast of individuals that if you lined up all thier songs side by side, would not sound the same. To me at least. No one person should be the judge of whats relevant and whats not, because frankly they did not write it nor have lived it.

The post wasnt an attack on you or your tastes..

Trance has changed too, mainstream house music. These days you can listen to a 3min trace song right after Justin Timberlake,,,,, err if its not the Oakenfold/TallPaul/Tiesto Timberlake remix that is.....

Signed, Taste Buds!

rappers act like aggressive image obsessed immature dickheads because of the 'personality' and picture they've conjured and grown around them from growing up in a ghetto somewhere and being involved in all the desperate street lifestyles surrounding their hopeless, pointless sprawling urban jungle of shit; gang violence and drug taking or distribution and trying to foster an identity for their particular rundown shithole; then they talk really fast about it all or yell some rubbish really quickly, or both, in a recording studio with some label and production arseholes who think that will be some sort of positive influence on other kids in similar situations, or perhaps are just cold blooded, smart rats and know they'll make a lot of moolah out of it and get some more rep and exposure in the process. sometimes, they'll bleat like peter andre with a computer shoved up his arse about licking nipples and buying houses with champagne water and ivory tvs, or some fit bint they want to shag, and call it r'n'b

these fucking rappers then become rich, buy homes and enter the elite circuit, bringing their fucking attitudes and beefs with them, as well as their specific type of arrogant 'culture'. and their enormous, vast and all-coloured myriad of dangerously shitbrained fans, never-ending in supply because of the vast range of different lifestyles and neighbourhoods and circumstances all over the world, support the careers of these fuckings cunts by transcribing their 'culture' back onto the streets and glamourising the absolute cuntwaste they 'sing' about. its the fucking fans that glamourise it.

Christ I don't know why I keep coming to this thread, maybe I'm glued to the ignorance like a train wreck. But here goes my opinion. You say that rappers glorify the degradation of women, killing people, and living on the streets. It sounds pretty familiar to metal actually. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge metal fan, and could go on all day about my love for metal, but it's no different than rap as far as lyrical content.

Take a look at Death Metal for example. It constantly talks about sadism, and paints vivid details about killing people in sadistic ways. A lot of the bands use it as an act, but some bands take it very seriously. Norwegian Black Metal took to a whole new level by burning churches. Look at the Hair Metal bands of the 80's. You wanna talk about degradation? Look no further than hair metal.

And then you've got the metal bands that talk about the viciousness of life, and poverty, and violence. And that's in almost any genre of metal. Sepultura is the perfect example of a band singing about living in a miserable situation throughout life because they came from a third world country. And that is easily comparable to living in the ghetto. So before you stereotype one genre of music, take a look at your own musical preference, pay attention to themes, attitudes, and all that other jazz, because the only thing that truly separates music is the sound.

I see you workin.

I'm not the one to put a funk on someones personal taste. However, what is mainstream hip hop today includes a whole cast of individuals that if you lined up all thier songs side by side, would not sound the same. To me at least. No one person should be the judge of whats relevant and whats not, because frankly they did not write it nor have lived it.

The post wasnt an attack on you or your tastes..

Trance has changed too, mainstream house music. These days you can listen to a 3min trace song right after Justin Timberlake,,,,, err if its not the Oakenfold/TallPaul/Tiesto Timberlake remix that is.....

Signed, Taste Buds!

glamourising the harsh lifestyle and the rudeboy thing is not relevant.

the dance industry has also sold out, at the top level, to maximise exposure and revenue. i also have a lot of beefs with dance but this isn't the place, suffice to say that tiesto isn't the most popular dj on the circuit anymore.

you're the only one here trying to actually discuss what i've said and not have a pop because they were offended by what i said or couldn't be bothered to read my whole post and/or thought themselves better then me, so cheers.


some garbling about metal

this thread is about rap, not metal.

my post accounted for the fact that all music forms have examples of exploitation, bullshit lyricism, rampant commercialism etc. but you chose to be ignorant of that part, didnt you.

i know that harsh circumstances and problems and poverty and violence and all that jazz are key themes of music generally, but mainstream rappers largely glamourise them and don't even try to say anything new about it or tell their stories in original ways. it's a very formulaic, unoriginal, tacky style of 'music' and it's what i'm criticising.

Dude, what I'm saying is that all music glamorizes it. You were bashing on a genre of music based off of the stereotypes, and I was using another form of music, with the same stereotypes to show you that it's quite common. And I'm sorry I didn't read your posts, but it was hard to figure out where the sentence ends, and begins, because there were no capital letters or anything of the sort. But again, it's like I've been saying for the past 2 weeks, this thread has gone in circles, and is pissing me off.

And by the way, if you're gonna try to insult me, at least use capital letters.

Solja boi ...er.. whatever, is a perfect example of why rap sucks.

We should make a petition to get this thread closed. But we shouldn't have to; TRANNY, DO YOUR JOB. >:O

Dude, what I'm saying is that all music glamorizes it. You were bashing on a genre of music based off of the stereotypes, and I was using another form of music, with the same stereotypes to show you that it's quite common. And I'm sorry I didn't read your posts, but it was hard to figure out where the sentence ends, and begins, because there were no capital letters or anything of the sort. But again, it's like I've been saying for the past 2 weeks, this thread has gone in circles, and is pissing me off.

And by the way, if you're gonna try to insult me, at least use capital letters.

i am bashing the mainstream strand of this genre which barely ever deviates from this stereotype of glamourisation, and has many other faults which i documented earlier.

you selectively cherry picked a couple of paragraphs from my post and then complained about something that i had in fact covered in a paragraph you chose to ignore. if you want to dispute what i've said, try reading everything i've written and then arguing about something i don't already agree with.

i wasn't aware this thread was becoming tiresome for you lot; i saw it at the top of the forum and wanted to comment on it. also, please point out where i tried to insult you, because i don't think i did!


Solja boi ...er.. whatever, is a perfect example of why rap sucks.

exactly. the illiterate cunts can't even spell it right.

So what's your thought Of Kanye West, Common, Mos Def, Tupac, Biggie, Rakim, and other mainstream rappers? Also don't think he's respected as a good rapper, he is a joke, a bad joke. Even his beat is horrible.

Solja boi ...er.. whatever, is a perfect example of why rap sucks.


I could hammer out 100 rock groups and say "That's why rock sucks". But it doesn't and neither does hip hop. The most popular artists of a genre usually aren't representative of the genre, so don't be so shallow.

Paraphrasing James Brown in a more modern format, I'd say it like this.

There's no good genres or crap genres. There's just good music and bad music. You can't generalise one genre as crap, because there is always something that will appeal to you if you're willing to give it a shot.

For example - I used to hate hard rock/punk/metal with a passion, but turns out I really like Rise Against and Dragonforce. Used to hate country but I actually quite like Johnny Cash. You've just gotta dig a little deeper instead of saying "O LOOK AT BET LOOK AT PPL AT SKOOL ACTING LIKE RAPPERS I HATE RAP!".

I could hammer out 100 rock groups and say "That's why rock sucks". But it doesn't and neither does hip hop. The most popular artists of a genre usually aren't representative of the genre, so don't be so shallow.

Paraphrasing James Brown in a more modern format, I'd say it like this.

There's no good genres or crap genres. There's just good music and bad music. You can't generalise one genre as crap, because there is always something that will appeal to you if you're willing to give it a shot.

For example - I used to hate hard rock/punk/metal with a passion, but turns out I really like Rise Against and Dragonforce. Used to hate country but I actually quite like Johnny Cash. You've just gotta dig a little deeper instead of saying "O LOOK AT BET LOOK AT PPL AT SKOOL ACTING LIKE RAPPERS I HATE RAP!".

Quoted for truth. Thread over!

Quoted for truth. Thread over!

I won't deny the validity of James Brown's words. But they don't really apply to our music scene today. Nor should rap be described as music in the first place. I think I'm owed an appology from every person who has ever been involved in rap music. What a mistake it was giving all ethnicities equal rights...

What a mistake it was giving all ethnicities equal rights...

Ha!!

Ignorance is bliss

I won't deny the validity of James Brown's words. But they don't really apply to our music scene today. Nor should rap be described as music in the first place. I think I'm owed an appology from every person who has ever been involved in rap music. What a mistake it was giving all ethnicities equal rights...


Instant failure.

erm, duke fleed, that's called racism O_o despising mainstream rap and its effects and just plain hating black people are two different things...