Then don't fucking complain

Not complaining either, merely expressing my opinion, which is what you do when someone asks FYI.

im really not into rap for a few reasons, one i dont like focusing on negativity or things that i really dont see have a purpose. Alot of rap now is just about the artists drug dealing history, or there money and materialistic goods, i do like some rap though, but alot of the stuff out just lacks intelligent concepts and is just full of ignorance. I respect artists more for there music, not there reputation.

best example, young jeezy. Deal all the coke you want i have no idea why that would make people think your the shit.

im really not into rap for a few reasons, one i dont like focusing on negativity or things that i really dont see have a purpose. Alot of rap now is just about the artists drug dealing history, or there money and materialistic goods, i do like some rap though, but alot of the stuff out just lacks intelligent concepts and is just full of ignorance. I respect artists more for there music, not there reputation.

best example, young jeezy. Deal all the coke you want i have no idea why that would make people think your the shit.

But it does

im really not into rap for a few reasons, one i dont like focusing on negativity or things that i really dont see have a purpose. Alot of rap now is just about the artists drug dealing history, or there money and materialistic goods, i do like some rap though, but alot of the stuff out just lacks intelligent concepts and is just full of ignorance. I respect artists more for there music, not there reputation.

best example, young jeezy. Deal all the coke you want i have no idea why that would make people think your the shit.

You have to understand the mutation that's happening on the streets, that inane drivel is now ranking as "the truth", which it really isn't, if they killed people as much as they talk about it they would have life with no parole. I like the "old school" rap like Tupac, Biggie Smalls, (notice the oxymoron) Puff daddy, Mace, and etc. But now good rappers are slim pickings, it's people like jay-z, kanye west, common, and some others, that rap about how they went from rags to riches about their problems ad how they are greatful for their fans that supported them.

what gets to me, and its not only rap but also definatly modern rock, is that the messeges barely differ between many different artists. Its like theres no self identity or forms of articulate expression anymore, but it kills me that they act like they do, when its so obvious they just used artists before them as influence to do the exact same thing. Now i know everyone is influenced by other bands, but its like more than ever its clear that each music genre is gnawing on the same bone. People can say rappers only talk about cars woman and money, but listen to alot of the new rock out now. Too many suicidal lyrics, lots of talk about depression and popping pills and how your girlfriend breaking up with you makes you feel lost. Country music is now every male artists songs are all as emotional as possible, in an anology, its like every artists of each genre is only painting with one color, one form of lyrical expression. Nobody wants to really go outside this. I guess people really shouldnt complain about this cause weve shown as contibutors to the sales of many music labels, that we dont want a change, so its like alot of these artists are afraid to go outside this, it could harm there paycheck.

bands like pink floyd, radiohead, Nirvana, rappers like tupac and nas are so respected and loved cause they wernt like that, people could easily detect something special from them, and new it took real talent to do something completely different and make it sound so well, you can tell bands and artists like that do it for self expression, and not for success.

I Hate rap mainly because It Portrays ladies play things.
It also sounds stupid.

There's plenty of good rap out there, just don't expect to find it if you want to have it spoonfed to you through the radio or other forms of mass media, cause they won't.

A lot of today's more talented rappers go unnoticed by the masses:

Sage Francis (poetic storytelling, nice flow, conscious topics)
Atmosphere (similar to Sage in that Slug has a poetic manner of rapping)
Lupe Fiasco
MetalFace Doom
Immortal Technique (in a way extreme, but he provides a lot of food for thought on the political level)
Copywrite (I like him for his punchlines and wordplay, hella clever)
Rakim (the God MC, enough said)
Canibus (his older works are a good listen, especially stuff on his Rip The Jacker album)
Common (one of those street poet type rappers)
Nas (Illmatic was a badass album)
Talib Kweli/ Mos Def/ BlackStar
Jedi Mind Tricks (started out a bit allegorical in style, but Vinnie Paz has fallen off somewhat. still worth the listen though, as the DJ makes some superb beats)
Army Of The Pharoahs (essentially a bigger version of JMT, with more members and in a way better lyrical content)

the artists above prove that there is much more to rap than degrading women and idiotic topics and the mindless ramblings of a man whose album is worth less than his name.

Roots Manuva, some of the best hip-hop in a long time.

Roots Manuva, some of the best hip-hop in a long time.

I keep hearing this and that about Roots Manuva, but never really got around to checking out any of their/his/her stuff. Any suggestions as to what songs I should check out? Better yet, any links or whatever to mp3s or streaming media?

On a side note, K'naan is also a refreshing name in the rap game.

In addition to what I listed earlier, there is:

Jurassic 5
The Roots
A Tribe Called Quest
The Demigodz
Extended Famm
Tonedeff
Pharoahe Monch
The Cunninlynguists
Brother Ali
Sole
Adeem
Glue (adeem, maker, dj dq)
Pack FM
Chino XL
Cyne
Del The Funky Homosapien
several others.....

Those are pretty awesome lists. Have you listened to P.O.S.?

I keep hearing this and that about Roots Manuva, but never really got around to checking out any of their/his/her stuff. Any suggestions as to what songs I should check out? Better yet, any links or whatever to mp3s or streaming media?

Roots Manuva - Witness the Fitness (called 'Witness (1 Hope)' on the album) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE7zMeIxTMU)

It's kinda hard to find any streaming stuff apart from YouTube, his website seems to be down at the moment. If you like that song and would like to hear albums worth goto www.albumbase.com to find entire albums to download. His best albums are 'Run Come Save Me' and 'Brand New Second Hand'.

I like rap. I believe a lot of people try to garner support from their little psuedo elitist friends by spieling the whole "rap is crap" thing. Rap takes just as much artistic ability to create as any other genre. And not all of it is generalized around drug dealing and disrespecting women. So for anyone to say "I hate rap" obviously does not value music period. Because many lyrics rhyme. Rap or not.

A lot of people I know dislike rap because of a lack of singing.....which gives me the perfect opportunity to bust out The Roots - The Seed V.2
...as well as Tonedeff's Porcelain and Busta Rhymes' Been Through The Storm

Speaking of rappers, anyone here catch wind of crazy ass battlers like Iron Solomon and TheSaurus? Dudes are mad brutal on the battling level.

I'm a big fan of rap, I do mostly listen to just rap, but listen to other genres as well, and can agree that a lot of rap nowadays is very samey, just talking about drugs. But, you can find the odd gem of a rapper that is intelligent to listen to and positive as well (ie-not just talking about selling drugs and killing people all the time). My favourite being at the moment Joe Budden, genius on the mic quite frankly, totally talented yet underrated

Why is rap hated? According to the general audience, they'd probably state reasons ranging from the subject matter that is expressed in the majority of the mainstream; money, drugs, material possessions, sex, etc. For the rap enthusiasts? It's probably boredom. There's not a lot going on even underground. Styles are repetitive and not many are notching it up. Sure, Supernatural is a freestyle heavyweight delivering hours of madness and Lyrics Born is very fluid in both flow and collection of styles, but the majority sounds like the same old shit with the same old flows and rhyme schemes. If I had to pick one emcee doing anything "different," it would be Kool Keith. He's going against the grain like usual.

What about Immortal Technique with his extreme political views and modern day issues?

Sage Francis with his satirical rhymes and sarcastic tone as well as his distinctive style of wordplay?

Slug of Atmosphere, the story teller with poetic rhymes?

Lupe Fiasco with his flow reminiscent of Jay-Z's not to mention his different choice of subject matter? (skating anyone?)

Rakim, the god mc, with his extremely polished up mastery of internal rhymes, multisyllables, etc. all of the fundamentals

Rise with his clever quotables and also unique punchline content.

ChinoXL with his focus on celebrity references in his similes and punches.

Canibus with his unification of philosophy, science, history, religion, etc. as well as his high level vocab in his lyrics.

Nas with his conversational style of rhyming and writing lyrics that tell about the ghetto life.

MF Doom with his countless collabs and tendency to tie in a lot of Adult Swim cartoons nowadays.

the list goes on and on.

What about Immortal Technique with his extreme political views and modern day issues?

Sage Francis with his satirical rhymes and sarcastic tone as well as his distinctive style of wordplay?

Slug of Atmosphere, the story teller with poetic rhymes?

Lupe Fiasco with his flow reminiscent of Jay-Z's not to mention his different choice of subject matter? (skating anyone?)

Rakim, the god mc, with his extremely polished up mastery of internal rhymes, multisyllables, etc. all of the fundamentals

Rise with his clever quotables and also unique punchline content.

ChinoXL with his focus on celebrity references in his similes and punches.

Canibus with his unification of philosophy, science, history, religion, etc. as well as his high level vocab in his lyrics.

Nas with his conversational style of rhyming and writing lyrics that tell about the ghetto life.

MF Doom with his countless collabs and tendency to tie in a lot of Adult Swim cartoons nowadays.

the list goes on and on.

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People rap because it sounds retarded. It always talks about , money and all that stupid stuff. :(

First off, it does not "always" talk about , , and money. I agree its a major part of it, but not all of it. Some people it just like people d rock and roll, hevel metal, and comic books in the past.

and to call an entire genre of music "retarded" is...well...retarded. What genre do you listen to?

Lets take Country (just as an example), and I say that genre is retarded because all it talks about is honkey-tonk crap and everything and cowboy related stuff. IF that was a genre you liked, how would you feel?

This thread is crazy long!

Every genre in has it's good and bad.

Rock, Noise, Techno, Rap, Bossa Nova, Jazz, Death Metal, R&B, Pop, Grime, Folk, Country, Disco, Bluegrass...(and every other genre on this crazy planet)

Whatever it may be, if you don't like it, then don't listen to it...you all have a choice to walk off the dance floor, or turn the channel when MTV plays 50 Cent, or flip past BET, or program your radio to Tejano or whatever the hell floats your boat. But who gives a care, right???? ^_^

I simply think it sound ridiculous. Do I need to elaborate on why? Not really. It doesn't quite matter how I try to justify my opinion -- it boils down to an opinion. So, call me close-minded or ignorant, if you will. That's also an opinion, and these things tends to be terribly subjective and useless.

I simply think it sound ridiculous. Do I need to elaborate on why? Not really. It doesn't quite matter how I try to justify my opinion -- it boils down to an opinion. So, call me close-minded or ignorant, if you will. That's also an opinion, and these things tends to be terribly subjective and useless.

For chrissake, don't even pull the "it's my opinion" card. The "it's my opinion" stance is a load of bullshit that just proves that you don't have the balls to stand up for your own words so you take the method that nobody else can question.

Besides, saying that a certain genre just isn't your cup of tea is one thing and I'll respect that, but ignorantly hating on a genre with inaccurate generalizations and assumptions is a different can of worms altogether.

For chrissake, don't even pull the "it's my opinion" card. The "it's my opinion" stance is a load of bullshit that just proves that you don't have the balls to stand up for your own words so you take the method that nobody else can question.

No, it just means that I am an extremely literal perception whore. :)


Besides, saying that a certain genre just isn't your cup of tea is one thing and I'll respect that, but ignorantly hating on a genre with inaccurate generalizations and assumptions is a different can of worms altogether.

What generalizations do you speak of?

rap music, i don't hate, just don't like it very much, mostly because it's all about violence, sex, money and drugs and because the artists sang too fast and i can't understand what they're singing.

rap music, i don't hate, just don't like it very much, mostly because it's all about violence, sex, money and drugs and because the artists sang too fast and i can't understand what they're singing.

If you can't understand what they are saying how do you know what they are talking about about.

rap music, i don't hate, just don't like it very much, mostly because it's all about violence, sex, money and drugs and because the artists sang too fast and i can't understand what they're singing.

I was referring to the other people in the thread
I was speaking of these generalizations

okay, you're an extremely literal perception whore......that lacks the balls to stand for your own statements. that still doesn't change the fact "it's my opinion" is a bitch-move that just allows you to happily dance around anyone who questions your statements.

and I was going to say something else but Hogan beat me to it.

and nope, haven't heard of P.O.S.

It means rap should die an exruciatingly painful death by surgical removal from Hip Hop. I'm 98.3% sure the great majority of you haven't heard Hip Hop. This form of rapping and musicianship(yes music, there are instruments in Hip Hop depending on the group, i.e. The Roots) has excelled over any other form of music out there simply because it combines all forms of music creatively and is only limited in possibilities by those who practice the art. I can't explain enough to you people or convince you of what you are ignorant of but I can say you are missing out on great music under the label of Hip Hop or Rap because of your half shaped opinions and cultural/racial/social views and lack of searching. I will post some links to some great tracks you've never heard in your life soon, successfully making some of you aware that Hip Hop is out there and usualy kept secret by the powers that be or those who like it's exclusiveness. I am one of the latter and won't go out of my way to convince some cat in Ireland or Rural Alabama to change his views and look where he would ignore, finding gold.

Since nobody seems to have a correct definition of hip hop so far I guess it's time that I clear things up. Why the hell not, this is probably gonna be the 9872345987th time I've done this.

Hip hop isn't a genre of music, period. Rap is the genre. You can't compare rap and hip hop simply because it's a case of apples and oranges. Different things altogether, culture and genre/element.

Hip Hop is an urban culture that can be defined with four main elements, and one recent element that is quickly establishing itself as a fifth element. The main elements of hip hop are as follows:
1. Grafitti artwork/ Tagging
2. Turntable scratching and mixing
3. Breakdancing
4. Rapping
and soon to be 5. Beat boxing

That said.
Rap is a musical genre that exists as one of the four main elements of hip hop. It's history starts with a man named DJ Koolherc and the Herculites. Rap originally was a form of toasting done over a DJ's turntable mixes and scratches (I believe the music used was Jamaican reggae, can't remember too clearly) by the DJ's hype-man. This was before rap even became a genre in itself. Eventually, rap began picking up popularity and as time passed it became its own little music genre as the DJ's hype-men began getting more and more recognition.

I had more room to go in-depth on the topic here: http://www.fictionpress.com/s/1812867/1/

Mind you, there are still some format kinks and editting problems to work out as I haven't touched upon that project in such a long time.

I was referring to the other people in the thread
I was speaking of these generalizations

okay, you're an extremely literal perception whore......that lacks the balls to stand for your own statements. that still doesn't change the fact "it's my opinion" is a bitch-move that just allows you to happily dance around anyone who questions your statements.

and I was going to say something else but Hogan beat me to it.

and nope, haven't heard of P.O.S.

I think you rely on ad hominem too much to defend your opinion. Do you honestly feel that threatened?

Cuntry "music" is WORSE than Rap "music".......but both suck reeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad!

Cuntry "music" is WORSE than Rap "music".......but both suck reeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad!

Details and specifics.

None needed...just take a listen and you'll learn why.

In other words, you're a moron who can't back up his own retarded opinions? If you don't justify posts like that, it's exactly how you'll be viewed by the rest of the community.

None needed...just take a listen and you'll learn why.

My predilections or anyone else's could differenciate from yours. So, in order to convince us otherwise, you ought to fortify your basis for an argument by pinpointing the antecedent/s of why it's horrible. Your previous statement was just vague, that's all.

In other words, you're a moron who can't back up his own retarded opinions?

Logical fallacy: argumentum ad hominem. A personal attack reflects poorly on your point, which is already non-existent.


If you don't justify posts like that, it's exactly how you'll be viewed by the rest of the community.

Logical fallacy: argumentum ad populum. Don't simply allege that the whole community feels this way -- demonstrate it. Otherwise, you have no argument.

I don't feel threatened, I just think it's stupid and cowardly to choose the method that allows you immunity from questioning.

I was referring to the other people in the thread
I was speaking of these generalizations

okay, you're an extremely literal perception whore......that lacks the balls to stand for your own statements. that still doesn't change the fact "it's my opinion" is a bitch-move that just allows you to happily dance around anyone who questions your statements.

and I was going to say something else but Hogan beat me to it.

and nope, haven't heard of P.O.S.

Be careful not to extrapolate a person's characteristic, just from one incident.

The question isn't: why is rap hated? It's: why are the makers of rap hated? and I think that's abvious.

Cuntry "music" is WORSE than Rap "music".......but both suck reeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad!

Funniest error ever.

Second Music, like most art, depends on taste and well intelligence too that subject really. So saying they reallly suck is like, saying cheese is reallly bad. No real arguement just a cry for attention, I don't know whether you are another atention whore or just a lackwit, but please post I've been struggling to log on regularly with my busy schedule. Lol at your funny little quotation marks around music, how can a gnre that has dominated music sales be questionable as to whether it is music? You can't base your perception of a genre around the media and a few ranndom ssongs that yoou hear on the radio.

Be careful not to extrapolate a person's characteristic, just from one incident.

Grendel's words, not mine.

Logical fallacy: argumentum ad hominem. A personal attack reflects poorly on your point, which is already non-existent.

Logical fallacy: argumentum ad populum. Don't simply allege that the whole community feels this way -- demonstrate it. Otherwise, you have no argument.

Haha, I'm getting challenged by another noob. You guys should really spread the love around instead of focusing so much on me. Not that I'm not flattered, of course.

You seem to have failed to grasp the point I was making. I was not making a direct personal attack; rather, I was letting the idiot determine for himself if it was an attack by offering the chance to back up his statement. That is my trademark method of fishing for either reasonable elaboration or a new plaything.

As for the community, I think it's safe to say that someone who is infinitely more familiar with it than you are is qualified to make such a generalization without being challenged by someone who obviously doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. If you want to know if I'm wrong about the feelings of the community at large, ask them yourself instead of implying that someone who knows a hell of a lot more about it than you is wrong.

I simply think it sound ridiculous. Do I need to elaborate on why?

If you're going to bother participating in a discussion of why it is not liked, then you should.


So, call me close-minded or ignorant, if you will. That's also an opinion, and these things tends to be terribly subjective and useless.

Close-mindedness and ignorance aren't matters of opinion. If you aren't aware of something you aren't aware of it making you ignorant no matter what your opinions or anyone elses are. Closemindedness is similar. How much you like being those things is a matter of opinion. It is my opinion that you like it a lot!




Hip Hop is an urban culture that can be defined with four main elements, and one recent element that is quickly establishing itself as a fifth element. The main elements of hip hop are as follows:
1. Grafitti artwork/ Tagging
2. Turntable scratching and mixing
3. Breakdancing
4. Rapping
and soon to be 5. Beat boxing

??? Why isn't beat boxing already be a part of the group and why are you calling it "some recent thing"? You sound like some weird hip hop theorist from 1980 who travelled into the future just to post in this topic.

The question isn't: why is rap hated? It's: why are the makers of rap hated? and I think that's abvious.

What the utter fuck?! Is this a spam account or a bot? Or perchance is it a retard in the last throes of some obscure brain-eating disease?

If you're going to bother participating in a discussion of why it is not liked, then you should.



Close-mindedness and ignorance aren't matters of opinion. If you aren't aware of something you aren't aware of it making you ignorant no matter what your opinions or anyone elses are. Closemindedness is similar. How much you like being those things is a matter of opinion. It is my opinion that you like it a lot!





??? Why isn't beat boxing already be a part of the group and why are you calling it "some recent thing"? You sound like some weird hip hop theorist from 1980 who travelled into the future just to post in this topic.

I say recently since over the span of the last few years, beatboxing's popularity began increasing drastically. Before then it was popular to an extent yes, but not enough to make it a distinguishable element of hip hop culture.

Hi you are wrong and maybe young. Beat boxing has been around from the beginning and more than a few early rappers(like Doug E. Fresh, the Fat Boys, Biz Markie) were known for it. When people would gather to freestyle there would always be someone ready to make a beat. There's honestly no reason to look at it as some thing just catching on now. If there is some recent increase in popularity then its more of a revival of interest in something that had always been there which everyone already knew about. I would have guessed that you're less likely to hear it in mainstream music now than you would have 2 decades ago, but who knows(certainly not me as I don't listen to much hip hop anymore).

I already made my point. I don't like Rap, and never will. All I can say is deal with it.

No one is actually concerned with whether you like rap. That's why all of the responses to your post mostly focused on how awkward and needlessly defensive it was. Perhaps you are simply an awkward and needlessly defensive person though, and I guess everyone will have to deal with that. Probably with jokes.

Hi you are wrong and maybe young. Beat boxing has been around from the beginning and more than a few early rappers(like Doug E. Fresh, the Fat Boys, Biz Markie) were known for it. When people would gather to freestyle there would always be someone ready to make a beat. There's honestly no reason to look at it as some thing just catching on now. If there is some recent increase in popularity then its more of a revival of interest in something that had always been there which everyone already knew about. I would have guessed that you're less likely to hear it in mainstream music now than you would have 2 decades ago, but who knows(certainly not me as I don't listen to much hip hop anymore).

You misunderstood me.

I know that beat boxing has been around since the beginning. I'm saying that in the earlier days it wasn't quite as popular as it is right now. Beat boxing was always there as a part of freestyle cyphers but it never really existed as a standalone element in itself. It used to be more of something that occurred in conjunction with rapping, rather than just beat boxing alone. The introduction of beat boxing on a competitive level has helped it gain popularity and develop a much larger following as well as grow increasingly intricate as an artform.

alright. I doubt its more popular now(especially as a specialized individual competetive thing). I would guess that's a case of an interest in small gains making them seem larger(the competetive community is growing, while the general interest is still lower or something). I'm just throwing stuff out there as its not like I collect stats or anything, but the people I know who are into hip hop mostly just know of Rahzel if anyone at all, which is different from how it felt like an almost ubiquitous element at one point. But really I'm not interested in how hip hop is categorized, I was mostly just thrown off by your calling beatboxing a recent thing without elaboration. But since you mean that in the sense of it gaining an individual identity over time I guess it's fine. However when I questioned you at first you just said that it was getting more popular recently and was not so popular in the past.

It was somewhat popular in the past, but not as popular as it is right now. In the past, beat boxing was considered as more of a sub-element that went under the category of rapping. I'm trying to say that it didn't have as much of an individual identity back then as it does now.

The introduction of competitive beat boxing has made the skill much more elaborate in technique and much more developed overall. Not to mention other minor factors, take for example the movie 8 Mile which introduced a side of rap that was at the time still unfamiliar to a large portion of the general public. (freestyle cyphers, battling, beatboxing, etc.)

Funniest error ever.

That was NO error.

If you can't understand what they are saying how do you know what they are talking about about.

*Sticks a fork in the topic* Its done.

Hip hop music, also referred to as rap or rap music, is a style of popular music which came into existence in the United States during the mid-1970s, and became a large part of modern pop culture during the 1980s. It consists of two main components: rapping (MCing) and DJing (audio mixing and scratching). Along with hip hop dance (notably breakdancing) and urban inspired art, or notably graffiti, these compose the four elements of hip hop, a cultural movement that was initiated by inner-city youth, mostly African Americans in New York City, in the early 1970s. In 2006, rap musicwas the most popular form of music in the United States

Typically, hip hop music consists of intensely rhythmic lyrical form making abundant use of techniques like assonance, alliteration, and rhyme. The rapper is accompanied by an instrumental track, usually referred to as a "beat", performed by a DJ, created by a producer, or one or more instrumentalists. This beat is often created using a sample of the percussion break of another song, usually a funk or soul recording. In addition to the beat other sounds are often sampled, synthesized, or performed. Sometimes a track can be instrumental, as a showcase of the skills of the DJ or producer.

Whether you like it or not, Rap IS a style of music. But if you want to remain in denial, that's ok too! =D

There are many different types of rap songs. I stray away from the ones that are too cliche, but there are really talented rappers out there that deserve more credit than people give them. And the ones that are on MTV and BET are superexploited. I believe they make fun of that in The BOONDOCKS. The composer/artist of the theme for the Boondocks was actually criticized because his "songs" were not cliche. >_> I find that completely stupid, but anyway, I listen to ALL kinds of music, depending on if I like the beat.

And by the way, the opening theme to SAMURAI CHAMPLOO is a RAP song, And I will forever love it.

Whether you like it or not, Rap IS a style of music. But if you want to remain in denial, that's ok too! =D

There are many different types of rap songs. I stray away from the ones that are too cliche, but there are really talented rappers out there that deserve more credit than people give them. And the ones that are on MTV and BET are superexploited. I believe they make fun of that in The BOONDOCKS. The composer/artist of the theme for the Boondocks was actually criticized because his "songs" were not cliche. >_> I find that completely stupid, but anyway, I listen to ALL kinds of music, depending on if I like the beat.

And by the way, the opening theme to SAMURAI CHAMPLOO is a RAP song, And I will forever love it.

Speaking of which, do you know the name of the SC opening theme song?

Speaking of which, do you know the name of the SC opening theme song?


It's called Battlecry. I believe it's available for download too. =D

I use to listen to gangster rap ALL the time then I notice how much bullshit they talk all they preach is sin. Now I only listen to immortal technique the only guy that raps some sense and TRUTH

Well, personally there's various kinds of rap that annoy me:

1.) The kind that is remade from a kiddie song like 'Do you ears hang low' or 'eenie meenie miney mo'.

2.) The kind that goes on like a shopping list for idiots who want to go bankrupt ex. most songs by Cash Money Millionaires.

3.) Song about strippers taking it off because they love them so much that they will KO them and put them in the trunk.

I just think that people hate any type of music that insults their intellegence. Not just rap but I'll pick on this genre anyway.

Well, personally there's various kinds of rap that annoy me:

1.) The kind that is remade from a kiddie song like 'Do you ears hang low' or 'eenie meenie miney mo'.

2.) The kind that goes on like a shopping list for idiots who want to go bankrupt ex. most songs by Cash Money Millionaires.

3.) Song about strippers taking it off because they love them so much that they will KO them and put them in the trunk.

I just think that people hate any type of music that insults their intellegence. Not just rap but I'll pick on this genre anyway.

Intelligence? I just thought it was a stereotype thing.

@_@; this topic just seems to reek of music prejudice.

I hate rap music because they (rap "artists") abandoned the guitar.

And because most rap songs consist of shouting or talking as opposed to actually singing.

But, given that, I can't stand most Rock music, either.

Even so, I can stand to listen to rap a lot sooner than I can listen to any of that shit country music.

im guessing you hate music

doesnt have to consist of all that sterotype stuff.There just arent many good rap artists today

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I second that, Black Paladin.

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i don't like them beacause thay always wear those ugly chains and stuff,they look like neandertals...

You are all retarded. There is bad music in every genre and good music in every genre. There are a shit load of rap artists/groups out there that have amazing lyrics, beats, and compositions. Listen to some MF Doom, Deltron 3030, Doctor Octagon, Wu Tang's first album, Gza, Rza, Common, Peanut Butter Wolf, etc...

I listen to rap but mostly old school/classic. I despise the new hip-hop/rap nowadays such as crunk, Mike Jones, Fiddy cent, and a few others. They're garbage. Lyrics are so washed out and their style just give me a headache. They say the same shit over and over. Always talk about, bitches, hoes, cars, money and shit that in real life I don't think they even own. I'm not bashing the genre because I'm a fan of it myself. Tupac was the reason I got into liking hip-hop/rap. Why I like his music was because he doesn't just rap about bitches, hoes and other shit. But also rap about his personal life and his childhood raised up in the ghetto. That's why during his time and now, his image is still solid in the genre. Nowadays, we rarely see that kind of style in the hip-hop industry anymore. Most of the times all we hear is some old-ass-washed-up lyrics, shit that's already been done many times in the past. "I'm Mike Jones!! WHO???MIKE JONES!!I'm MIKE JONES!!". But yeah, particularly I listen to almost anything (except country). I even listen to piano XD, but mostly during my time of doing art work.

You are all retarded. There is bad music in every genre and good music in every genre. There are a shit load of rap artists/groups out there that have amazing lyrics, beats, and compositions. Listen to some MF Doom, Deltron 3030, Doctor Octagon, Wu Tang's first album, Gza, Rza, Common, Peanut Butter Wolf, etc...
Yeah, I listen to a few of those. Especially Common, I like his lyrics. He talks about love and all that without using much of profanity.

You are all retarded. There is bad music in every genre and good music in every genre. There are a shit load of rap artists/groups out there that have amazing lyrics, beats, and compositions. Listen to some MF Doom, Deltron 3030, Doctor Octagon, Wu Tang's first album, Gza, Rza, Common, Peanut Butter Wolf, etc...
Couldn't have said better myself. I do not listen to Rap, but much of the music I do listen to have clear influences from Rap.

I found this cd lying on the street (no joke), and it's called

"Body Count"

And well, this is rap I quite like. =) Just kinda like Cypress Hill, it's rapmetal, and in this case, it's a project run by Ice-T O: Amazing what you can find lying around!

Vanilla Ice released a bunch of Rap Metal albums in the 90's. He's a clear example of how bad music can be -- more to do with him, than music though. I'm not throwing this around just for the sake of it, but even the album covers were cheesy as hell.

when you really stop to think about it, for as much shit as vanilla ice gets, he's actually almost better than some of the shit-hop that's selling like crazy today.

I listen to a lot good rap, almost all of it stuff that's not on the radio. To me, good rap is fluid poetry, even in vulgarity there's something beautiful about it.

-Leah.

Well i love rap, but i'm talking about real rap, not that new hip hop genre about GLINGGLING and girls, im talking about old school rap, GANGSTA RAP, not everybody love theirs lyric, but in old school rap, it was their way to express themselves about what they were living or what they could see around them, now its only commercial rap, like 50 cent or his G-unit.

NOTABLE RAP SONGS you should try to listen¨

-SHOOK ONES PART 2 From mobb deep back in 1995, my favorite song off all time, MObb deep is my favorite group they were good, until they joined G-UNIT and 50, but hey, even if they joined them, they song better then them but changed a lot their style, leaving me :( , but they slowly coming back to ROOTS, juste listen to the two new prodigy clips from is next mixtape, New york shit and Mach 10 handle , The INFAMOUS album Hell On Earth, Murda music, all these are their albums that will always remain in history.

about WUTANG, one thing to say
Cash Rules Everything Around Me
C.R.E.A.M
listen to this song! (also, try CAN IT BE THAT IT WAS ALL SO SIMPLE)

Raekwon
What did you believe in? heaven or hell? you dont believe in heaven cos we livin in Hell!
(Heaven & Hell song)

Nas is also a real poet, he his, about lyrics, The Tupac of East Coast
try listening THE MESSAGE, or I KNOW I CAN

Eminem also have real good song, but in his first albums, when he was expressing himself about his life

TUPAC , DRE, ICE are all damn good Rappers and will always remain known.

well personnaly i listen to East Coast rap, but i also love west coast and south..

There is also Outkast

Oh, so you like the people that made rap shit in the first place.

Rap is too repetitive, thus it gets boring fast. Really, really fast. And.. where’s the singing? You can talk fast. Go you. I’ve stuttered since I was born and I’m not impressed :-P

I can’t stand rap because most mainstream rap artists label women as “bitches,” “hoes,” or simple objects stick their dick in to. I can’t respect any guy that refers to a woman like that. They throw women around like they’re some goddamn, store bought item. And, not to bash just one side but, shame on the women for putting up with their shit.

At least Rock has variety. The guys behind the mic are singing about love, or some sort of feeling, a bad day at work, or even school-life, and they’re always changing it up. (Notice I didn't say 'emo' where they seldom change moods). Rap is mainly the same thing every song; “I fuck bitches, slap ‘dem hoes, and get what I want.” End song. I can vouch for this because I had a (very) black room mate one semester that loved to blast rap every day. Every. Fucking. Day. -_-;; I gave rap a shot for the first few weeks, but quickly found myself bleeding out of my ears as my brain would constantly fight my ear drums to go deaf. (Then I just stayed out of my room most of the time to remedy that).

Nowadays when I hold the door open for a girl, often times I’m look at funny, and when I seat a girl on a date, I’m asked if I have ulterior motives. What the fuck ever happened to cherishing honor, valor, and honesty? Rap is the exact opposite of that, therefore I despise it. I see rap as derogatory; plain and simple. And as a teacher, I don’t want to have my kids anywhere near that garbage.

It all comes down to one thing—who has the most. Be it women (or “bitches,” “hoes,” or whatever bullshit name they call females), money, power, drugs, homeboys to back them up, those god-awful platinum teeth, and enough bling hanging off of them to make King Tut jealous.

Call me old fashioned all you like, but I say rap is degenerative.

I'm no fan of today's hardcore rock either, because, like rap, you can't understand what they're singing, and it's mostly hatred-induced as well... Although I don't like country, I respect it because (a) they SING, and (b) you can swing dance to country (and I love to swing dance).

PS--I'm not raciest. I just hate idiots, be them black, blue, or white.

well put.

The reason why mainstram rap (As in Chamiilionaire, 36 Mafia, etc) focuses on talking about bitches and gold and all, is beacuse thats what the majority of fans want, plus due to lack of unique creativity.

However, there are some rappers that actually have good songs and talent (K-Os, The Roots, GRITS (used to anyway), Atmosphere, FORCES OF NATURE, etc...)

Oh, and GT_Stevo, the reason why everyone looks at you funny everytime you try to do somthing honorable, is because nowadays, NOTHING is considered honorable. Everyone nowadays is automatically considered suspect.

i dnt like rap anyway...if maybe some songs.....
actually im not listening rap at all....
im not sure is it really hated...but who knows...

Well oki lets just say that rap doesn't existe really anymore, im not considering today's hip hop as rap, your right today's «rap» is degenerative and unrespect, that's why i love old school rap, juste listen to Nas, most of his songs are interesting, and why i love old school rap? because even if they are talking about drugs and some thing like that, they were expressing themselves. Thats true somethime their language is not acceptable (oki... a lot of time) and lets make a difference, listen to a old rap song (like 1990 to 1995) and i can affirm that talking so horribly about the women wasn't present, I even know a song that, even using their kind of language, express very good things about women. But hell, everything is past now, today's «rap» is nothing else than cliché and platinum teeths like you said.

listen to these old classics, I choose them carefully, don't worry.
Nas I can, just listen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keWX5DHlQdQ

This one is a well known rap song, but hey i know everybody here dont like rap, so if you dont like don't even click, dont worry no horribles things about women, i agree with you these kinds of songs about women are totally disrepect about the most wonderful creature of the universe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puL_fdWPhNE

A real old school rap RUN DMC, in the 80's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3JDvUkUjRQ

anyway it's difficult to explain my feelings about something that doesn't really exist anymore. Well gotta go listen some metallica (old metallica) i need to listen to THE unforgiven, just like to hear the guitar solo. By the way, anyone here ever tried climbing? im talking about the sport, if some are praticing or wanna try, it might be fun to start a topic and talk about it to share our experience.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climbing

Oh, and GT_Stevo, the reason why everyone looks at you funny everytime you try to do somthing honorable, is because nowadays, NOTHING is considered honorable. Everyone nowadays is automatically considered suspect.

Yeah.. I know. I understand that 'trust' and 'first impressions' go a long way with all people, I just hate that something good is, not frowned upon by everyone, but has become a characteristic of shady people nowadays... >_>

And I really don't hate all rap necessarily, it's the mainstream 'bitches and hoes' stuff that I want to take to a firing squad. If Black Eyed Peas and other related stuff is considered rap, then I'll openly say that I like some rap. Unfortunately, just not all rap. ^_^


anyway it's difficult to explain my feelings about something that doesn't really exist anymore.

I checked out the links you posted and was moved, but I still am not impressed with rap as a whole.

And I think I know what you mean. (Or, at least I think I do...) Old school rappers had more feeling in their beats. However, the modern day guys just produce record label jargon to buy themselves more shit.. "shit they don't need" (listen to Tyler Durden's monologue in 'Fight Club').

Oh, and it's funny you should mention climbing on here... One of the first posts on this topic, the guy references climbing to rap some manner. Heh. Go figure...

Rap is too repetitive, thus it gets boring fast. Really, really fast. And.. where’s the singing? You can talk fast. Go you. I’ve stuttered since I was born and I’m not impressed :-P

I can’t stand rap because most mainstream rap artists label women as “bitches,” “hoes,” or simple objects stick their dick in to. I can’t respect any guy that refers to a woman like that. They throw women around like they’re some goddamn, store bought item. And, not to bash just one side but, shame on the women for putting up with their shit.

At least Rock has variety. The guys behind the mic are singing about love, or some sort of feeling, a bad day at work, or even school-life, and they’re always changing it up. (Notice I didn't say 'emo' where they seldom change moods). Rap is mainly the same thing every song; “I fuck bitches, slap ‘dem hoes, and get what I want.” End song. I can vouch for this because I had a (very) black roommate one semester that loved to blast rap every day. Every. Fucking. Day. -_-;; I gave rap a shot for the first few weeks, but quickly found myself bleeding out of my ears as my brain would constantly fight my ear drums to go deaf. (Then I just stayed out of my room most of the time to remedy that).

Nowadays when I hold the door open for a girl, often times I’m looked at funny, and when I seat a girl on a date, I’m asked if I have ulterior motives. What the fuck ever happened to cherishing honor, valor, and honesty? Rap is the exact opposite of that, therefore I despise it. I see rap as derogatory; plain and simple. And as a teacher, I don’t want to have my kids anywhere near that garbage.

It all comes down to one thing—who has the most. Be it women (or “bitches,” “hoes,” or whatever bullshit name they call females), money, power, drugs, homeboys to back them up, those god-awful platinum teeth, and enough bling hanging off of them to make King Tut jealous.

Call me old fashioned all you like, but I say rap is degenerative.

I'm no fan of today's hardcore rock either, because, like rap, you can't understand what they're singing, and it's mostly hatred-induced as well... Although I don't like country, I respect it because (a) they SING, and (b) you can swing dance to country (and I love to swing dance).

PS--I'm not raciest. I just hate idiots, be them black, blue, or white.Well if you think you could do better try, I mean you don't think they have talent put a album out in the summer.

You're an imbecile, but not in a bad way you generalize because you are narrow-minded, you crucify rap for the entire media. You act like you don't hear that terminology in, movies, everyday life, heck HBO is far worse but you seem to pinpoint rap as the only source with objectionable behavior.

Are you serious? rap is anything but repetitive, you just listen to dickheads, and I doubt you listened to an entire album, If yoou single out songs or artists you end up with a narrowly analyzed perception. I can listen to one heavy metal rock bands and analyze that all heavy metal artist are depressed death seekers.

Umm you are aware that a lot of these rappers have wives and children, and don't just go "fuckin dirty ho's". You really need to learnto differenciate fact and fiction, all rappers are doing is selling stories.

Why single out rap heck modern life is degenerative, wh not become amish?

Trust me you are nowhere near racist, you'd need to know what you are talking about to be racist.

haha I didn't even saw the climbing rock part of the first post! Well, rap is an old story, like nas said, Hip Hop Is Dead (his new album) even if it's not his best album, he is one of the few veterans who keep is roots to rap, not «hip hop glinggling bitch» style. Raekwon do the same, my favorite group, Mobb Deep, succumbed to the evil power of money, tho i can understand because through their whole carreer they had difficulties to get the money they deserved (i do not mean he only get 10 millions instead of 15millions... i mean they had problems with the label they were withs, had financial problems with the labels they created, but hey they are still my favorite) When 50 cent and his crew offered a good contract they accepted, but hey they lost their real rap and their last album was very dissapointing, falling as down as the «glinggling bitch» style. Just make a comparison from the reviews people give to their INFAMOUS album (i consider the best) and their last one, you will see a big diffence in the reviews. But im happy, because they are coming back to roots slowly but surely, their new songs sound more like they were in the past and I'm waiting for their next albums (group or solo, prodigy is one of a good rapper) with real hopes. I also hear that Wu-Tang will make a come back, i wonder how it will be without ODB, a real talented rapper, RIP ODB. Another thing is realised is that most of veterans rappers weren't millionaire in the 90's, today, most of new rappers are ruled by money like you said. 50cent is millionnaire, but his music doesn't even deserve the price of his name.

Yeah, old school rappers, the veterans, had more feelings in their beats, not today

Well im maybe wrong, but we can compare veterans rappers and new rappers the same way in pop music, as we can compare Madonna and Britney Spears, well correct me if i'm wrong, but Madonna is talented, when she began singing, the critics were against her, but she continued his work and now she is well know and i consider her having talent. Britney, on another side, just get a school uniform telling «hit me baby one more time» (Is she not showing a bad image of women in this song and clip, correct me again if i'm wrong) And she get popular and millionnaire, but hey, i don't want to say anything but... is it talent???

anyway here is a little clip, my favorite song, the beat is awesome and the lyric are impressive (they are worked, they are thought, that's a real song)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS2TY9X3okQ

here, is a rap song talking about love, don't miss it, It's rap, and just listen to the lyrics... wonderful. Mobb deep again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWogLFKEu3M

Here is another rapper, he was 14 when he sang this sont back in 94 or 95, he is a real talented writer, he is also known to write very good lyrics, very thoughts and worked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq9R7IySpY4

Tupac-Change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZRhmiLmeA

Tupac- Dear mama (just listen its very emotional like someone said in the comments.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAETOZAsGQc

Wu-Tang... C.R.E.A.M (The classic, it's awesome!!!!!!!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxCkoQW1vMA

Eminem-Cleaning out my closet(true story, sad story :( emotional)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jTVgoqfOhc

Eminem-When i'm gone (He love his daughter, don't tell me he's not!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oWCQR-BlvE

OH!! and, don't try this at home...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP2ix_Xs2N0

(Tupac) Dear Mama - Classic track =).

Yeah, and many other tracks, all classics

If you like Dance Dance Revolution and Rap, check out:

Drop The Bomb and Super Star and their remixes.

I cringe when I listen to this 'music'. Can it even be classified as music? No.

>_> Yes it can, you fucking ignoramus.

>_> Yes it can, you fucking ignoranus.
x2

x3

as i've ventured through the internet and its many fora, it has come to my attention that witch hunts on rap are common because it is really easy to reuse arguments other people have used before you, ignoring the counter arguments provided somewhere else in the thread, and then getting a feeling of accomplishment through judgements based on limited exposure.

i hate the sun because sometimes it is hot. i think i'll stay inside forever just because of this.

I cringe when I listen to this 'music'. Can it even be classified as music? No.

It can be classified as music as much as tribal chanting is considered music. Music is just about anything with a beat. However, I wouldn't consider it as singing necessarily.

It can be classified as music as much as tribal chanting is considered music. Music is just about anything with a beat. However, I wouldn't consider it as singing necessarily.

Hey butt-lick, is one of the forms of music with the best beats. Just because you lack rhythm doesn't mean it isn't there. Also maybe you should add water to that shallow pool, so to your standards classical music isn't music? Way to lose all musical credibility.

Hey butt-lick, is one of the forms of music with the best beats. Just because you lack rhythm doesn't mean it isn't there. Also maybe you should add water to that shallow pool, so to your standards classical music isn't music? Way to lose all musical credibility.

Your reading comprehension skills seem lacking. Also, I'm sure it's just because you accidentally omitted a word, but your first sentence makes no sense.

Hey butt-lick, is one of the forms of music with the best beats. Just because you lack rhythm doesn't mean it isn't there. Also maybe you should add water to that shallow pool, so to your standards classical music isn't music? Way to lose all musical credibility.

Great job on the hypocrisy. (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=716568&postcount=201)


Umm you can try to reword into as many shapes as you'd like but the fact is you're a common bully, actually no you're an eBully. So you think being in a place called FFS entitles you, to a demeanor as a pack of theives. This is just like Lord of the Flies lack of authority has brought out the violent imbecile in you, except because it's FFS you think it's justified and you are relinquished of being a value to society. What good could possibly come of what you are doing, would you like my lunch money as well?

LOL!! Before you allowed me to catch my breath from your last post, you post again and show how narrow-minded you are. You seem to only focus on how “imbecilic” I am and proceed on insulting me before comprehending what I’m saying. You shoot me down by saying that I lack rhythm when I didn’t post anything about rhythm. If you’d wash the fried chicken grease from your eyes and look more closely, you’ll see that didn’t bash rap, but gave it credit for being music. I did say, however, that I rap isn’t singing. You’re trying to argue apples with oranges here and it’s making you look all the more half-witted. Now, if you want to bash me on that, go for it, but since you’re lacking in comprehension, I’ll spell some things out to you slowly.


You're an imbecile, but not in a bad way you generalize because you are narrow-minded, you crucify rap for the entire media. You act like you don't hear that terminology in, movies, everyday life, heck HBO is far worse but you seem to pinpoint rap as the only source with objectionable behavior. Trust me you are nowhere near racist, you'd need to know what you are talking about to be racist.
(On a side note, not a lot of people have HBO...)

I suppose I should thank you for inadvertently complimenting me, seeing how I’ve been called far worse on topics much lighter. Since this is a topic on rap, I thought I'd stick to the main subject instead of deviating. I'm well aware that rap is not the only influence; I'm merely stating that it's one of the bigger ones because it’s in the media so much. If you reflect on it, songs inspire people to do things. For instance, before the 'big game' or a fight in the ring, athletes get pumped up by listening to a song. Ergo, that song influences them to get out there and kick some ass. Songs have that power over people. From what I’ve found over the years, the media has a LOT of influence over people (obviously). There’s plenty of blame to go around for why American society is in the crap-state that it’s in, be it improper upbringing, lack of parental unit/s, general bad luck (wrong place-wrong time), etc. If I were to continue, I’d write a narrative, and nobody likes reading those posts…


Are you serious? rap is anything but repetitive, you just listen to dickheads, and I doubt you listened to an entire album, If you single out songs or artists you end up with a narrowly analyzed perception. I can listen to one heavy metal rock bands and analyze that all heavy metal artist are depressed death seekers.

But why lie? A lot of rocker’s are. I won’t deny that. Just like in that move “School of Rock,” Jack Black explains that, to really sing a heavy rock song, you have to really hate something. A lot of heavy rocker’s really hate the government, life, or someone, and end up barfing into the microphone (with some pretty cool guitar riffs and mad drum rhythms) and somehow sell a million CDs. And, I was referring to the rhythm in rap being repetitive, not the lyrics, or whatever you misinterpreted.


Umm you are aware that a lot of these rappers have wives and children, and don't just go "fuckin dirty ho's". You really need to learnto differenciate fact and fiction, all rappers are doing is selling stories.

Umm, are you aware that a lot of the ones that are displayed through the media that have wives and children still include the stated above material in their songs and music videos?
And yes, they are selling stories. Unfortunately, a lot of behaviors I don’t agree with are in the popular ones that are selling.

As far as being an imbecile or raciest; first of all, racists don't know what they're talking about and blame people for ridiculous, stereotyped (and sometimes completely ridiculous, un-stereotyped) stuff.
"Gas prices have gone up. Let's blame those Iraqis."
"It's the nigger's fault that the streets are more violent."

That, I know, is utter bullshit. The government regulates gas prices and the streets are more violent because, in a nut-shell, people are idiots (once again, this is a very deep ,and broad, topic that requires much more typing that I won't get in to at the moment).


Hey butt-lick, it's one of the forms of music with the best beats. Just because you lack rhythm doesn't mean it isn't there. Also maybe you should add water to that shallow pool, so to your standards classical music isn't music? Way to lose all musical credibility.

Way to lose all credibility in yourself.. butt-lick. I see insults with no real direction, and an opinion bashing my opinion in what rocks and doesn’t rock. So.. what exactly are you babbling about? I included that I like some off-brand genres of rap a few posts up and still, you throw monkey poo in my face. So, be honest with me here, what is it about me that you don't like? It's clear that it's not just my lame taste in music that's making you shit a brick every time you visit this post. o_O

raps hated because it sucks.

Great job on the hypocrisy. (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=716568&postcount=201)
Well ok, I can admit when I've lost my temper.


LOL!! Before you allowed me to catch my breath from your last post, you post again and show how narrow-minded you are. You seem to only focus on how �imbecilic� I am and proceed on insulting me before comprehending what I�m saying. You shoot me down by saying that I lack rhythm when I didn�t post anything about rhythm. If you�d wash the fried chicken grease from your eyes and look more closely, you�ll see that I didn�t bash rap, but gave it credit for being music. I did say, however, that I rap isn�t singing. You�re trying to argue apples with oranges here and it�s making you look all the more half-witted. Now, if you want to bash me on that, go for it, but since you�re lacking in comprehension, I�ll spell some things out to you slowly.


(On a side note, not a lot of people have HBO...)

I suppose I should thank you for inadvertently complimenting me, seeing how I�ve been called far worse on topics much lighter. Since this is a topic on rap, I thought I'd stick to the main subject instead of deviating. I'm well aware that rap is not the only influence; I'm merely stating that it's one of the bigger ones because it�s in the media so much. If you reflect on it, songs inspire people to do things. For instance, before the 'big game' or a fight in the ring, athletes get pumped up by listening to a song. Ergo, that song influences them to get out there and kick some ass. Songs have that power over people. From what I�ve found over the years, the media has a LOT of influence over people (obviously). There�s plenty of blame to go around for why American society is in the crap-state that it�s in, be it improper upbringing, lack of parental unit/s, general bad luck (wrong place-wrong time), etc. If I were to continue, I�d write a narrative, and nobody likes reading those posts�



But why lie? A lot of rocker�s are. I won�t deny that. Just like in that move �School of Rock,� Jack Black explains that, to really sing a heavy rock song, you have to really hate something. A lot of heavy rocker�s really hate the government, life, or someone, and end up barfing into the microphone (with some pretty cool guitar riffs and mad drum rhythms) and somehow sell a million CDs. And, I was referring to the rhythm in rap being repetitive, not the lyrics, or whatever you misinterpreted.



Umm, are you aware that a lot of the ones that are displayed through the media that have wives and children still include the stated above material in their songs and music videos?
And yes, they are selling stories. Unfortunately, a lot of behaviors I don�t agree with are in the popular ones that are selling.

As far as being an imbecile or raciest; first of all, racists don't know what they're talking about and blame people for ridiculous, stereotyped (and sometimes completely ridiculous, un-stereotyped) stuff.
"Gas prices have gone up. Let's blame those Iraqis."
"It's the nigger's fault that the streets are more violent."

That, I know, is utter bullshit. The government regulates gas prices and the streets are more violent because, in a nut-shell, people are idiots (once again, this is a very deep ,and broad, topic that requires much more typing that I won't get in to at the moment).



Way to lose all credibility in yourself.. butt-lick. I see insults with no real direction, and an opinion bashing my opinion in what rocks and doesn�t rock. So.. what exactly are you babbling about? I included that I like some off-brand genres of rap a few posts up and still, you throw monkey poo in my face. So, be honest with me here, what is it about me that you don't like? It's clear that it's not just my lame taste in music that's making you shit a brick every time you visit this post. o_O

Well excuse me, I naturally assumed since your post was contradictory it was sarcasm, you said rap music is just about as much music as tribal chanting, which one is not music but a ritual that takes place ib religious ceremonies, 2, requires little to no talent. That's the reason why I said you were a butt-lick you have an imbeclic, narrow-minded outlook on music who says you have to sing for it to be labeled music.

How can you even say that like Rap is possibly the most unacknowledged form of music, out of some of the major forms, but there is violence and degeneracy all around. Also yes media plays a role in peoples lives in a mental sense, maybe, but not in a physical sense I mean not like you can draw strength from a song, I'm thinking of a song right now i'm not robbing banks and flipping cars. America is in it's crap state because we live to free, a man with no rules is a man at his worst. Not just Americans all humans have atleat once defied authority be it their parents or the law. America tries to give people as many rights as possible, some of rights are too liberating, now we are scared not to encroach on peoples rights or hurt their feelings, why build a melleable goverment?

No I didn't misinterpret, unless you mean the rhythm not changing within the one song, than ok. But you are extremely wrong if you say all songs have the same rhythm.

Ok if you know they are married, and they are just selling stories, why are you complaining about the brand of music? Or are you one of the people that think even though everyone knows they ae lying they still promote bad nehavior? I'm an honor roll student in a mentally gifted program, and I listen to rap am I an ignorant illiterate drug-dealing hoodlum? No. Do I call my girlfriends ho's/sluts/bitches? Not on purpose but I have a short-temper other than those lapses no. I'm far from a stereotype, but you are the epitome of a stereotype.

Actually, racist do know what they are talking about, never said they were right.

Ok but you are blaming a form of media for violence and degeneracy. But it goes way farther beyond there.

Because you are the epitome of every person who hates rap for no real reason, and the reasons they do have are always influenced by other things than rap.

� you said rap music is just about as much music as tribal chanting, which one is not music but a ritual that takes place ib religious ceremonies, 2, requires little to no talent. That's the reason why I said you were a butt-lick you have an imbeclic, narrow-minded outlook on music who says you have to sing for it to be labeled music.

Where, exactly, did I say that? Please point it out for me. I�m pretty certain I said that just about anything with rhythm is considered music, including chanting, which brings forth many genres to consider.

Ever try yodeling? Or even thinking anything before you run your mouth on it? Chanting is no easy thing, lad; it takes a strong gut, pitch control, and timing.


How can you even say that like Rap is possibly the most unacknowledged form of music, but there is violence and degeneracy all around.

What you�re asking is like asking �If you�re eating your fruits and veggies, why do you have brown hair?� Whatever you say usually does not make sense. I�ve a hard time believing you to be an honor roll student when you can hardly get your point across, let alone editing it correctly.


I'm thinking of a song right now i'm not robbing banks and flipping cars.

Congratulations. You�re practicing what we teachers call �autonomous behavior.� If I could give you a gold star to go on your hand, I would.


I'm an honor roll student in a mentally gifted program, and I listen to rap am I an ignorant illiterate drug-dealing hoodlum?

Ignorant? Yes. Drug-dealing hoodlum? I wouldn�t care if you�re considered a saint in the catholic church. Having good grades does not mean you have common sense. That, much like a definite subject, appears to be lacking in each of your posts.


Do I call my girlfriends ho's/sluts/bitches? Not on purpose but I have a short-temper other than those lapses no. I'm far from a stereotype, but you are the epitome of a stereotype.

All right then smart-ass, why do you call them bitches and hoes on accident? Would it be because you constantly listen to music that has that vocabulary in it, thus it reinforces that women are bitches and hoes? And which stereotype am I a part of?


Or are you one of the people that think even though everyone knows they ae lying they still promote bad nehavior? I'm an honor roll student in a mentally gifted program, and I listen to rap am I an ignorant illiterate drug-dealing hoodlum? No. Do I call my girlfriends ho's/sluts/bitches? Not on purpose but I have a short-temper other than those lapses no. I'm far from a stereotype, but you are the epitome of a stereotype.


Actually, racist do know what they are talking about, never said they were right.

Ok but you are blaming a form of media for violence and degeneracy. But it goes way farther beyond there.

Actually, racists don�t. And I�m glad to see we�ve come to terms on something.



Because you are the epitome of every person who hates rap for no real reason, and the reasons they do have are always influenced by other things than rap.

WTF are you talking about? Let me repeat what you said: "There are no outside influences in rap." Let me, also, quote myself from a few posts above:


And I really don't hate all rap necessarily, it's the mainstream 'bitches and hoes' stuff that I want to take to a firing squad. If Black Eyed Peas and other related stuff is considered rap, then I'll openly say that I like some rap. Unfortunately, just not all rap. ^_^

Everything you say seems to contradict itself. Maybe this is a good indicator that you should stop speaking. Say, ever again.

Oh, and if you do decide it's time for you to speak again, be sure you know how to type, spell, and/or punctuate, because I, like everyone else who wastes away a portion of their life reading and trying to make sense of your post, already have a hard enough time deciphering my student's written work as is. But then again, they're elementary schoolers, they at least have a reason why they can't spell correctly.

Where, exactly, did I say that? Please point it out for me. I�m pretty certain I said that just about anything with rhythm is considered music, including chanting, which brings forth many genres to consider.

Ever try yodeling? Or even thinking anything before you run your mouth on it? Chanting is no easy thing, lad; it takes a strong gut, pitch control, and timing.
It can be classified as music as much as tribal chanting is considered music.You were saying? Ok but it still does not void the fact it is not music.


What you�re asking is like asking �If you�re eating your fruits and veggies, why do you have brown hair?� Whatever you say usually does not make sense. I�ve a hard time believing you to be an honor roll student when you can hardly get your point across, let alone editing it correctly.Really, because you make pathetic little media raped impressions, for something you know shit about. You sit there talking about "Oh I h8 rap because it promotes violence and degeneracy", when you are proven that you cannot epicenter this 'Disgraceful' behavior to rap artist. You sit in your little quite suburban home and secretly do think "those niggers ruin everything", it's just these 'niggers' are called "rappers". You honestly live in a bleek miserable world where the walls of your cage are made of lead, you've been retarded by society. How can you make a learned decission, without learning about the subject, how can you learn about something you don't tolerate. You are honestly the idiot in this debate, why go up on a subject you know ass about?




Ignorant? Yes. Drug-dealing hoodlum? I wouldn�t care if you�re considered a saint in the catholic church. Having good grades does not mean you have common sense. That, much like a definite subject, appears to be lacking in each of your posts.
Who is ignorant in this discussion? The one who has an open mind and knows about the subject at hand? Or the neanderthal whose excuse for not liking a form of expression has been force-fed by the media/society? Oh no wait your excuse is "I'm a saint and a chivelrous self-righteous cretin, and rap is evil and a bunch of evil womanizaton.".



All right then smart-ass, why do you call them bitches and hoes on accident? Would it be because you constantly listen to music that has that vocabulary in it, thus it reinforces that women are bitches and hoes? And which stereotype am I a part of?See there you go again making half-assed assumptions, which shit for brains told you I listen to rap everyday, oh no, wait, it was your lack of judgment and your ignorance. Do I do it everyday, no , do I get mad when a girl may hurt me and flip out, yes, tell me you don't. Do I feel good about it no I know it's bad but in the heat of the moment it's an eye for an eye. And wake up and wipe the cavier crust from your eyes girls call each other bitch all the time. What stereotype? the one of the guy who lives in the suburbs, thinks he lives a nice devout life and hears a vulgar word, and wants to crucify the person who said it. Also the ignorant white man that blames rap for violence, but doesn't look at the world in general, but singles out rap, why because I'm sure he watches the news and makes a malinformed perception.


WTF are you talking about? Let me repeat what you said: "There are no outside influences in rap." Let me, also, quote myself from a few posts above:I said you are the epitome of every person who hates rap for no reason, and the reasons they do have always been influenced by something other than rap.



Everything you say seems to contradict itself. Maybe this is a good indicator that you should stop speaking. Say, ever again.
Perhaps it's an indicator you are readiing what I'm saying out of context, and that you should learn more about what you seem to hate.


Oh, and if you do decide it's time for you to speak again, be sure you know how to type, spell, and/or punctuate, because I, like everyone else who wastes away a portion of their life reading and trying to make sense of your post, already have a hard enough time deciphering my student's written work as is. But then again, they're elementary schoolers, they at least have a reason why they can't spell correctly.Oh wow you are funny maybe you should accept your ignorance and stop continuing a discussion you are in no position to debate. Maybe you should just stop posting because you've just proved yourself an ignoranus, that has a force fed perception of what you don't know about.

raps hated because it sucks.

1. Work on your grammar.
2. Shut the fuck up.

1. Work on your grammar.
2. Shut the fuck up.

don't bother with him
Sciz listens to Fall Out Boy, which essentially means it is impossible for him to have any knowledge of music.

in my honest opinion, rap is going downhill. all the new stuff i hear is garbage.

don't bother with him
Sciz listens to Fall Out Boy, which essentially means it is impossible for him to have any knowledge of music.

Bogus, but true.

It can be classified as music as much as tribal chanting is considered music. Music is just about anything with a beat. However, I wouldn't consider it as singing necessarily.

I think that these days you can never be sure whether rap incorporates singing or not. Nelly, even though he sucks ass, technically sings a lot of his "rap songs"

songs like the "I'm No Good Remix" feature both Ghostface Killah doing rap vocals and Amy Whinehouse singing. How would you classify that?

Or there's also Tonedeff's Porcelain or Pervert which both contain a fair amount of singing along with rap vocals.

A majority of Eminem's Hailie's Song involved singing.

On top of that there's Gnarls Barkley's Crazy which is pretty much entirely sung.

I don't know, these are just the fragmented and incomplete thoughts of my tired mind at the moment, for all I know I could be totally off target.

I actually prefer the old school, from the early to late 80's, they were actually pretty funny and had some good beats (Run DMC, DJ Jazzy Jeff, etc)
Could not stand it after it started getting "gangsta" and all that... Such good memories and how it can go wrong when the idiots start taking over....

which shit for brains told you I listen to rap everyday, oh no, wait, it was your lack of judgment and your ignorance.

I quote you, Mr. "Shit for Brains" :


I'm an honor roll student in a mentally gifted program, and I listen to rap am I an ignorant illiterate drug-dealing hoodlum?

I'm going to be the adult here and call it quits. As far as I'm concerned, this debate/argument/(whatever) came to a close long before this post. We keep going in circles and I'm beginning to wonder if you're doing this on purpose... Either way; you're an idiot, plain and simple, that refuses to see what others (namely myself at the moment) post, be it through anger or misinterpretation. My dad was right about one thing: "Don't argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you up with their idiot-logic. Thus, arguing with one is pointless." Thanks again for proving my point.

There isn't much else to say on this when so many others have pointed out your same short-comings and you still refuse to acknowledge them...

I really pity you. Regardless, I wish you the best of luck in life.
Cheers, mate!


Anyhow, back to why rap is disliked...

I quote you, Mr. "Shit for Brains" :



I'm going to be the adult here and call it quits. As far as I'm concerned, this debate/argument/(whatever) came to a close long before this post. We keep going in circles and I'm beginning to wonder if you're doing this on purpose... Either way; you're an idiot, plain and simple, that refuses to see what others (namely myself at the moment) post, be it through anger or misinterpretation. My dad was right about one thing: "Don't argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you up with their idiot-logic. Thus, arguing with one is pointless." Thanks again for proving my point.

There isn't much else to say on this when so many others have pointed out your same short-comings and you still refuse to acknowledge them...

I really pity you. Regardless, I wish you the best of luck in life.
Cheers, mate!


Anyhow, back to why rap is disliked...
OK show me where in my post it says I listen to rap everyday? I don't have enough time to listen to rap everyday.

Isn't it funny how a person will jump into a debate half-assedly, and then tries to justify their ignorance by saying, "This is stupid my bastard of a father, told me some pointless bullshit that has nothing to do with anything at hand,...etc(more random shit). I really pity you."

I don't pity you, I resent your presence and pity your offspring.

Oh man. I always hated the title "rap" Smarties and I consider my self somewhat of an aficionado of "Hip-Hop" the truer name of the art form. The rapper is only an element.


INDEED


However, you rarely see me in these threads revealing my sources or debating with skin heads & young school geeks about "why rap sucks". It's endless and pointless almost. They just can't understand in their few years of living that not all rap is Hip-Hop and not all Hip-Hop is bad. Rap in my opinion is commercialy accepted and supported by the big industries. They sell all manner of life style to the poor public, who has to turn on the radio to the same song until they start to like it. They turn to the videos with the same gimmicks and female dancers. Why can't they stop raping such a versatile art form? Losers. I don't care if they want to appeal to the whore mongers, materialisticly shallow, gangsters (and I mean gangsters/politicians) and gays. In my mind they are no part of the culture at all but still represent it somehow to the entire planet. WTF

There's nothing wrong with an art form that can incorporate ALL others and I mean ALL, just like the materia in FF7. Corneyness aside, Hip-Hop is successor to jazz, folk, rock, tribal chants and whatever, as all those things stem from the people who made what is known at large as "rap". It's the kids who will never understand and they will be the death of good music.

Does heaven got a ghetto?

I already showed you what you said once, why bother to show you again? Call me or my father what you will, that still doesn't change the fact that there's nothing but dust in between your ears.

And which stereotype am I a part of?

Interesting literate new posters? I bet that's it!

Some rap is pretty decent, though.


I'm going to be the adult here and call it quits. As far as I'm concerned, this debate/argument/(whatever) came to a close long before this post.

On an aside, I really wish some of our more established members could be this sensible. Smarties is a silly man who does not respond to logic.

Interesting literate new posters? I bet that's it!

Some rap is pretty decent, though.

On an aside, I really wish some of our more established members could be this sensible. Smarties is a silly man who does not respond to logic.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! ^_^
I couldn't agree with you more... some rap is pretty decent.

Yes, some rap is pretty decent, and neglected.

Will Smith was one of the very few who was really popular with his music. -_-; *sigh.* He's also an excellent actor now, so...

^^; The decent rap is pretty much neglected nowadays, mainstream media has always took over.

I already showed you what you said once, why bother to show you again? Call me or my father what you will, that still doesn't change the fact that there's nothing but dust in between your ears.

Didn't you say you weren't going to respond? You can't even live up to your standards.

Yes, some rap is pretty decent, and neglected.

Will Smith was one of the very few who was really popular with his music. -_-; *sigh.* He's also an excellent actor now, so...

^^; The decent rap is pretty much neglected nowadays, mainstream media has always took over.

Thats because the majority of rap fans want to hear lyrics regarding bitches, hoes, cash, and the like. Thats what gets them rich quickly, so they'll do it.

Ocassionaly, a rapper will come out with singles that aren't in line with those ideas, but odds are 10-1 that they don't go immediatly Platimum as quickly as the ones who rap about hoes and all.

some hip hop is trash, some of it is really really great, you just have to sift through like any other music genre to find the good, or whats good in your eyes anyway

Thats because the majority of rap fans want to hear lyrics regarding bitches, hoes, cash, and the like. Thats what gets them rich quickly, so they'll do it.

Ocassionaly, a rapper will come out with singles that aren't in line with those ideas, but odds are 10-1 that they don't go immediatly Platimum as quickly as the ones who rap about hoes and all.

That's a pretty large assumption just because that's what's in 10-1 of the songs doesn't mean that's the reason it's liked, I like rap because it's an expression of life experience, and gangster rap, I think it's ok the whole killing death thing we all know it isn't real it's pretty poetry with an assertion of power. As far as the hoes and money, the money a rapper makes is like ghost money, as soon as his sales slump and he's no longer hot, he'll be reduced to high middle class. Nobody has actually stayed on top unless they expanded their revenues like Jay-Z bought the New Jersey Nets.

Not always true, Look at Kanye West Kalib Tweli, and Common all of them have platinum records.

That's a pretty large assumption just because that's what's in 10-1 of the songs doesn't mean that's the reason it's liked, I like rap because it's an expression of life experience, and gangster rap, I think it's ok the whole killing death thing we all know it isn't real it's pretty poetry with an assertion of power. As far as the hoes and money, the money a rapper makes is like ghost money, as soon as his sales slump and he's no longer hot, he'll be reduced to high middle class. Nobody has actually stayed on top unless they expanded their revenues like Jay-Z bought the New Jersey Nets.

Not always true, Look at Kanye West Kalib Tweli, and Common all of them have platinum records.

I agree, I only listen to the rappers who actually have something to say. The ones that actually have a story to tell, but today it is mostly trash and it's very rare to hear a rapper that has good lyrics.

XD I forgot about Kanye West to be honest. I think his music is great...but doesn't he also have a big ego?

rap is the best fuck all you haters.

Will Smith was one of the very few who was really popular with his music. -_-; *sigh.* He's also an excellent actor now, so...
I have immense respect for Will Smith. He started out a rapper, but he eventually expanded his talents, and it landed him nominations for prestigious awards such as: the Academy Award, Golden Globe and Emmy Award. He lost out on the Oscar, and I'm not sure if he ever won the Golden Globe or the Emmy, but today, he's a Grammy-winning pioneer in Rap music.

It's pointless to argue with a baboon that calls themselves "smarties." :-D

I have immense respect for Will Smith. He started out a rapper, but he eventually expanded his talents, and it landed him nominations for prestigious awards such as: the Academy Award, Golden Globe and Emmy Award. He lost out on the Oscar, and I'm not sure if he ever won the Golden Globe or the Emmy, but today, he's a Grammy-winning pioneer in Rap music.


Did you see his latest movie yet...I heard it was excellent. I want to see it, but I don't think I'll have the time..

That movie was AWESOME! Everybody should see that move at least once just to see what 'never giving up' really means.

i've always wondered, why is rap music bashed by people?

i mean, they say they objectify the women in their videos. well, those woemn wanted to be invideos,

It's not the point that they are ACTING, it's the point that it is what they are MEANT to be doing. It's complete bullshit. Now teen age girls go around dressed like Hos. Pathetic.


so they obviously knew what it would mean.

Obviously 50 Cent didn't. Otherwise he would know people hated hm so much that his video game would be a flop.


the lyrics cause people to comit violent acts? anyone who can be influenced by the music doesn't need to be allowed in public in the first place.

This is the first good point you have made. Points +1

That however still doesn't solve the problem of why the lyrics are so crappy. Old school rap i liked. The new rap has NO sense at all. This is all rap is today.

Low ridin, pimp fo sho get the dolla bill ya'll smack ho black mccy D's blunt, gangsta thugelicious flos and hos, rollin dubs and filpin switches in the low lows.

It's all the same crap now. it's like they WANT me to feel sorry they "acted" lived in the ghetto. Buddy. I lived in Brooklyn. I'm not gonna feel sorry for some uncreative loser who probably has 5k just waiting to be pulled out of his pockets. Feeling sorry for these losers and along Emo kids crying themself to sleep because they think they have a bad life just because their mum wouldn't let them get their Faces of Death DVD.


if i made a rap song.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO!


aboput climbing a mountain, would you go hiking? you just plain don't understand it?

I understand your reasoning is retarded.


well, i don't get punk rock, or emo rock, or whatever the media's callin it.

While Emo, Punk and Rap are all shit, your taste in music tells me you were probably born in the 90s. AKA The 80s Evil Twin, AKA The shit hole years, AKA your dad's busted condom.


so please tell me, why don't you like rap? if you like, post your theories anyway.

See above. More likely the kids like you who throw money at the shit.

HaHa a fellow Brooklynite, *sigh* good ol' Brooklyn people knew what music was there. I really miss Flatbush :(.

Brooklyn is probably the only place i've been around where the Rap music blasting out of people's houses/Cars/Door steps were good.

Thank you I know, that's why I thank BK for my respect of music, Philly people have the worst music sense it's like going to Wal-Mart with retards.

Tell me about it. Teen ae girls these days. And i swear to god, whenever rap music plays on the air, they start dancing around like hos. In a way it's like it's the only way they know how to dance.

Girls act like this...Then say they get bad boyfriends and that's because men are evil? They are just asking to bring bad guys at their door step by acting like that.

Honestly. Some people's children these days..

Tell me about it. Teen ae girls these days. And i swear to god, whenever rap music plays on the air, they start dancing around like hos. In a way it's like it's the only way they know how to dance.

Girls act like this...Then say they get bad boyfriends and that's because men are evil? They are just asking to bring bad guys at their door step by acting like that.

Honestly. Some people's children these days..

Hahahaha. Nicely put.

Lol.

Tell me about it. Teen ae girls these days. And i swear to god, whenever rap music plays on the air, they start dancing around like hos. In a way it's like it's the only way they know how to dance.

Girls act like this...Then say they get bad boyfriends and that's because men are evil? They are just asking to bring bad guys at their door step by acting like that.

Honestly. Some people's children these days..

Haven't you realized that girls at a young age are stupid? It's not really influence of rap, but they're just fucking stupid! It's female role models on tv and mainstream media.

Britney Spears
Pussycat Dolls (though I love their music)
Paris Hilton
Linsday Lohan

xD And not to mention, attention whores on MySpace. >_>;

.....The list can go on....I see it as a competition. Girls trying to outdo each other, or just fit in.

There are so many few stars that make it without promoting that kind of influence of a "bad girl."

Mandy Moore
Olsen Twins (I do forgive that whole eating disorder incident. lol)
Hillary Duff


.....I don't see rap being an influence to kill someone. Sorry, I can listen to it without a desire for violence. People who do that are weak in my eyes.

Good point. I just think the musical media is part of the corner stones of what makes an influence on kids these days.

*Sigh* What ever happened to a lot of women? If some dressed in a nice long skirt, a nice dress shirt and fixed their hair up to look pretty, that was all it would take back in the day to get a guy...Now though..Ugh. Girls are trying to out do eachother in all the wrong ways..

Girls trying to out do eachother sounds dirty

Shut up Butch!

your lesbian lover is butch

This is the first good point you have made. Points +1

That however still doesn't solve the problem of why the lyrics are so crappy. Old school rap i liked. The new rap has NO sense at all. This is all rap is today.

Low ridin, pimp fo sho get the dolla bill ya'll smack ho black mccy D's blunt, gangsta thugelicious flos and hos, rollin dubs and filpin switches in the low lows.

It's all the same crap now. it's like they WANT me to feel sorry they "acted" lived in the ghetto. Buddy. I lived in Brooklyn. I'm not gonna feel sorry for some uncreative loser who probably has 5k just waiting to be pulled out of his pockets. Feeling sorry for these losers and along Emo kids crying themself to sleep because they think they have a bad life just because their mum wouldn't let them get their Faces of Death DVD.

I strongly disagree with the statement that all rap today is retarded. The game could use a nice amount of weeding out, but to consider all rap as materialistic and degrading would be quite inaccurate.

By calling all of today's rap materialistic and degrading we'd have to toss out:
Lupe Fiasco (good debut album, but hey, you said all rap, buh bye)
J Dilla (legendary producer, Donuts was a good album, buh bye)
Nas (his status been going up and down since Illmatic, Hip Hop Is Dead was a good release, also buh bye)
The Cunninlynguists (very unrecognized rap group with a lot talent and I believe 2 very good albums, buh bye)
Sage Francis (one of those rappers I recommend to newcomers, buh bye)
Fort Minor (a decent little starting point for newcomers, also goodbye)
Pharaohe Monch (conscious rapper whose latest video Guns Draw dwelled upon raising awareness of the dangers of guns, kiss him goodbye)
The Roots (classic rap group, Game Theory was a good album, buh bye)
The Demigodz (nice and solid modern rap crew, each member wielding respective talents, kiss them all goodbye)
BlackStar (yikes, Talib and Mos, practically like Batman and Robin, kiss them goodbye as well)
QN5 Music (crew consisting of Tonedeff, PackFM, Substantial, etc. put out a lot of quality modern rap, buh bye)
Glue (Adeem, DJ DQ, and Maker, nice and talented group, buh bye)
Solliliquists of Sound (excellent group with a LOT of talent, especially DiVinci, buh bye)

and we can kiss goodbye to upcoming releases as well:
Canibus' The C Of Tranquility (looks promising, first real solid album in a while, buh bye)
Rakim's The Seventh Seal (the god mc's first album in a long while, buh bye)
Talib Kweli's Eardrum (Kweli is pretty consistent with every album, looks promising but....buh bye)

I strongly disagree with the statement that all rap today is retarded. The game could use a nice amount of weeding out, but to consider all rap as materialistic and degrading would be quite inaccurate.

By calling all of today's rap materialistic and degrading we'd have to toss out:
Lupe Fiasco (good debut album, but hey, you said all rap, buh bye)
J Dilla (legendary producer, Donuts was a good album, buh bye)
Nas (his status been going up and down since Illmatic, Hip Hop Is Dead was a good release, also buh bye)
The Cunninlynguists (very unrecognized rap group with a lot talent and I believe 2 very good albums, buh bye)
Sage Francis (one of those rappers I recommend to newcomers, buh bye)
Fort Minor (a decent little starting point for newcomers, also goodbye)
Pharaohe Monch (conscious rapper whose latest video Guns Draw dwelled upon raising awareness of the dangers of guns, kiss him goodbye)
The Roots (classic rap group, Game Theory was a good album, buh bye)
The Demigodz (nice and solid modern rap crew, each member wielding respective talents, kiss them all goodbye)
BlackStar (yikes, Talib and Mos, practically like Batman and Robin, kiss them goodbye as well)
QN5 Music (crew consisting of Tonedeff, PackFM, Substantial, etc. put out a lot of quality modern rap, buh bye)
Glue (Adeem, DJ DQ, and Maker, nice and talented group, buh bye)
Solliliquists of Sound (excellent group with a LOT of talent, especially DiVinci, buh bye)

and we can kiss goodbye to upcoming releases as well:
Canibus' The C Of Tranquility (looks promising, first real solid album in a while, buh bye)
Rakim's The Seventh Seal (the god mc's first album in a long while, buh bye)
Talib Kweli's Eardrum (Kweli is pretty consistent with every album, looks promising but....buh bye)

Is it me, or did you just quote what obviously implied in my first post? Or are you just too oblivious to see that i don't care?

The Roots
They is good :)

Is it me, or did you just quote what obviously implied in my first post? Or are you just too oblivious to see that i don't care?

If you don't care, then why bother posting in the first place? If all you're going to do is jump in a rap thread and shit on its listeners and joyfully bash rap with blissful ignorance, then for all intents and purposes you can fuck off and donkey ride a buzzsaw.

The Roots
They is good :)

Indeed.


If you don't care, then why bother posting in the first place? If all you're going to do is jump in a rap thread and shit on its listeners and joyfully bash rap with blissful ignorance, then for all intents and purposes you can fuck off and donkey ride a buzzsaw.

It seems being because you're some sort of Sub human, you aren't smart enough to figure out that i meant i could CARE LESS IF THOSE BANDS WERE GONE AND WENT OUT OF BUSINESS..

Did i say i hated rap all together? No.

Are you a retard? Don't answer, I already know.

Oh really, you didn't state that you hated rap altogether? Allow me to highlight a few choice words for you then.

Taken from your earlier posts

This is the first good point you have made. Points +1

That however still doesn't solve the problem of why the lyrics are so crappy. Old school rap i liked. The new rap has NO sense at all. This is all rap is today.

Low ridin, pimp fo sho get the dolla bill ya'll smack ho black mccy D's blunt, gangsta thugelicious flos and hos, rollin dubs and filpin switches in the low lows.

It's all the same crap now. it's like they WANT me to feel sorry they "acted" lived in the ghetto. Buddy. I lived in Brooklyn. I'm not gonna feel sorry for some uncreative loser who probably has 5k just waiting to be pulled out of his pockets. Feeling sorry for these losers and along Emo kids crying themself to sleep because they think they have a bad life just because their mum wouldn't let them get their Faces of Death DVD.

While Emo, Punk and Rap are all shit, your taste in music tells me you were probably born in the 90s. AKA The 80s Evil Twin, AKA The shit hole years, AKA your dad's busted condom.


I mean gee, I dunno, you seem to be referring to "all" of rap quite a few times there.

"Is it me, or did you just quote what obviously implied in my first post? Or are you just too oblivious to see that i don't care?"

In other words, you don't really give a damn if you're lumping talented artists with untalented ones. Either way, you're just stating that you don't care enough to notice the difference and you'd much rather clump them all together and do away with all of them. Which essentially means, all of rap. Whoa hey, what a coincidence, fucknut.

It's all the same crap now.

That word NOW should tell you something. It means i think all rap is crap NOW meaning i liked it at one point but have lost interest in it since it's gone downhill.

You're putting together things in such forms of bullshit, i don't even know what logic you're using to get these points of views you have.

Let me make it clear one last time just in case you missed it.

I LIKE RAP. I DON'T LIKE NEW RAP. I WOULD CARE LESS IF ALL THESE NEWS BANDS WOULD DROP DEAD.

Take those words seriously or not, twist em up into what ever your little illiterate elementary mind sees them as. Whatever makes your little world turn around.

That word NOW should tell you something. It means i think all rap is crap NOW meaning i liked it at one point but have lost interest in it since it's gone downhill.

You're putting together things in such forms of bullshit, i don't even know what logic you're using to get these points of views you have.

Let me make it clear one last time just in case you missed it.

I LIKE RAP. I DON'T LIKE NEW RAP. I WOULD CARE LESS IF ALL THESE NEWS BANDS WOULD DROP DEAD.

Take those words seriously or not, twist em up into what ever your little illiterate elementary mind sees them as. Whatever makes your little world turn around.


It's okay, I understand what you mean. I know this sounds silly, but finding tasteful rap is comparable to finding a needle in a haystack.

It's okay, I understand what you mean. I know this sounds silly, but finding tasteful rap is comparable to finding a needle in a haystack.

Thank god, some one who can read :-P

Yeah i know what you mean about that. Whenever i do find music from a rap band i enjoy, i stay with it for a while and try to find something new. Otherwise it will get old to me and lose it's effect.To me, i think music is something that can't be taken so easy. I don't really think a person can ever stick with just one style of music without getting bored of it.

The Roots
They is good :)

hell yeah. in fact, I'm listening to Game Theory while i'm typing this.

The thing is though, teenage girls have brought it upon themselves for this shit. If they had any sense, they wouldn't be dressing up and acting like hos, but no, they decided that they have to outwhore each other just for some dumbass reason.

And PLEASE! For the love of God and all that is holy do NOT get me started on the Attention Whores of MySpace (Aka AWMS). If I was gonna burn them, I'll need to down 2 bottles of Bawls to do so.

And PLEASE! For the love of God and all that is holy do NOT get me started on the Attention Whores of MySpace (Aka AWMS). If I was gonna burn them, I'll need to down 2 bottles of Bawls to do so.

I can help this happen..

hell yeah. in fact, I'm listening to Game Theory while i'm typing this.

The thing is though, teenage girls have brought it upon themselves for this shit. If they had any sense, they wouldn't be dressing up and acting like hos, but no, they decided that they have to outwhore each other just for some dumbass reason.

Outwhore each other. xD LOL! I like that one.


And PLEASE! For the love of God and all that is holy do NOT get me started on the Attention Whores of MySpace (Aka AWMS). If I was gonna burn them, I'll need to down 2 bottles of Bawls to do so.

I'm definitely NOT an attention whore, that's for sure. I have a MySpace Page (http://www.myspace.com/tygerchickchibi) too, for a good while and never had problems with anyone. Stupid girls end up being raped on that site, and then the parents blame the site for the kid's stupidity.

I AM DEFINITELY SURE, a major percentage of these girls have the following:

1) Super Skimpy clothes
2) Some R & B or hardcore Rap song (or rock song, dunno)
3) At least 200 friends(if not more), with girls that look the same, and guys that they don't really know.

Other than that.....be honest. what percentage of girls on MS do you think have that kind of profile?

.....I would say... 40% ....

There is a very solid rule of Myspace. If you are a girl, yo umust dress in skimpy clothing and have some R & B music playing in the background with some "Bootylicious" BG image and try to act like you're some sexy thing and say stupid things like "Watch me werk it" or "Look at my ass".

If you are a guy, you must take pictures of yourself much like the girls, only look sad or stoned out of your skull. You must use the generic "Taking my picture while looking in the mirror look" and have the words legalize it flashing as your BG while playing one of Slipknot's worst songs you can think of.

Rules for both sex.

You must have over 300 friends. The more friends you have, the more respect you get.

"OH COOL! Some guy named Uncle ButtNaked just put me on his top 5! And he said he will buy me ice cream, Woo hoo!"

You MUST take pictures of yourself.

You MUST make check back on Myspace EVERY hour on the hour.

Failure to do so will make you a normal person who has self respect for themself and an outcast of teen age society. Please move to Live Journal with the rest of the Laid back and down to earth people.

LiveJournal has laid back and down-to-earth people?

The following i've seen there are a lot better than Myspace. Though i don't have a lot of friends who have a Livejournal, so i've had no reason to take a deep look into the people, but from i've seen, the the people who post in their journals are your average journal posters.

Not a good thing, but also not a horrible thing like most Myspace members.

LiveJournal has laid back and down-to-earth people?

*raises her hand....?*

EDIT - Long time no see, JM.

I use to have a favorite radio station here down in california, can you guess it? It use to play a lot of old rock, pop, and dance music, which I love dearly, nowadays all it plays are rap music, and since then I've loathed rap just for that reason.

i hate rap just because you cannot call it music...sure there are a few notes...but they are repeated...over...and over...and over and over and over again. It doesn't have an exposition, development, and recapitulation. Doesn't have dynamics, movements....Everything that is defined in music Rap lacks. Even modern genres (pop, rock, etc...) have dynamic variation and feeling. And the choruses and bridges, etc act as the exposition, development and recapitulation. Rap just doesn't have those. And most of the lyrics talk about the same things as well. There are some that are different, but most are just about sex, drugs, and killing stuff. Well that's my part in it. I won't ramble anymore.

Oh look. Another ignorant musical elitist jackass who has no idea what he's talking about. We certainly have not seen enough of those in this thread!

i hate rap just because you cannot call it music...sure there are a few notes...but they are repeated...over...and over...and over and over and over again. It doesn't have an exposition, development, and recapitulation. Doesn't have dynamics, movements....Everything that is defined in music Rap lacks. Even modern genres (pop, rock, etc...) have dynamic variation and feeling. And the choruses and bridges, etc act as the exposition, development and recapitulation. Rap just doesn't have those. And most of the lyrics talk about the same things as well. There are some that are different, but most are just about sex, drugs, and killing stuff. Well that's my part in it. I won't ramble anymore.

Yeah so you don't know shit about hip hop, awesome! So you have probably listened to like one song by Fifty Cent and immeaditly wrote of the genre, that's like listening to one song by some shitty commercial rock group and immeaditly concluding that all guitar music must be terrible.

By your definition you also don't believe that electronic music in general is music either.

Yeah so you don't know shit about hip hop, awesome! So you have probably listened to like one song by Fifty Cent and immeaditly wrote of the genre, that's like listening to one song by some shitty commercial rock group and immeaditly concluding that all guitar music must be terrible.

By your definition you also don't believe that electronic music in general is music either.
thank you

+ fuck you?

Oh look. Another ignorant musical elitist jackass who has no idea what he's talking about. We certainly have not seen enough of those in this thread!

Totally agreeing with this. I have this ability to get into any genre of music, and I tell you, there are good and bad music from every genre. To write off a genre because you've heard bad music from it is not only stupid, it's elitist, pretentious, ignorant and it shows how much of an uncultured cunt you are.

I can't tell you why, though one idea is, perhaps, since it has hit mainstream, thus one trend would be to hate the mainstream material. However, rap to me seems like they are trying to address reality in a very bare, truthful, uncut sense (the educate ones), and although it's very simple music, it sounds much the same. I dislike it because it lacks a lot of creativity and musicianship (especially when compared to music outside the U.S.)

Oh look. Another ignorant musical elitist jackass who has no idea what he's talking about. We certainly have not seen enough of those in this thread!

For me, the reason why I don't like rap is because its just a beat. There's no singing in it. Just a beat with some guy(s) speaking to it. But, then again I've always been a person for ballads, like those done by the Japanese group Kiroro. I have to admit that I can tollerate rap, infact some of Eminem's rap has some good meaning. But when it comes to your typical Gangster Rap, I can't stand that at all. I mean, seriously, who wants to listen to a song about some guy wanting to start a gang war, or is in one and watching his hommies get pumped full of lead. Rap just really isn't 'music' in the traditional sense... more like rhythmic verse more than anything else.

For me, the reason why I don't like rap is because its just a beat. There's no singing in it. Just a beat with some guy(s) speaking to it. But, then again I've always been a person for ballads, like those done by the Japanese group Kiroro. I have to admit that I can tollerate rap, infact some of Eminem's rap has some good meaning. But when it comes to your typical Gangster Rap, I can't stand that at all. I mean, seriously, who wants to listen to a song about some guy wanting to start a gang war, or is in one and watching his hommies get pumped full of lead. Rap just really isn't 'music' in the traditional sense... more like rhythmic verse more than anything else.

Rhythmic verse is pretty much what music is


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2. the tones or sounds employed, occurring in single line (melody) or multiple lines (harmony), and sounded or to be sounded by one or more voices or instruments, or both.
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And if you want ballads, get off that Japanese stuff and listen to Andrea Bocelli, Josh Groban, or the soul groups of the 1960s.

The part of hip hop music I enjoy most are the beats behind the lyrics. If you need a gentle push into the genre, I suggest the Samurai Champloo soundtrack.

After listening to that I explored the other artists, and grew to love it.

so...apparantly i am an elitest because i don't agree with the majority on something they care about? plus I never said I wrote off the genre. There are still some exceptions. I never said I hated all of the genre and that I disregard everything. I was just saying that technically (although some songs stay coherent to the definition of music) most rap is not much music. Although it might have some music in it, there's hardly any variation. I have heard a lot of rap music btw Hogan, and everything I have heard (except for Japanese hip hop, strangely lol) lacks at least one thing from that very definition that Zetsumei posted. I am not an elitest, and I am amazed that you can wrongly infer that from only one post.

Now, I am not trying to rustle any feathers here, believe me i don't want to make anyone uncomfortable. I am just voicing my opinion. I just want to give some examples pertaining to that definition of music.

All rap has rythm, correct? that's good that is 1/4. Some rap does have singing and in fact a melody, but the majority doesn't. It is the "singer" that talks through the song. And since there is no melody, how can there be harmony? and as for color. One can get an emotional feeling from this genre so that's also good. 2/4. Notice how the definition used the word AND near the end of number 1. (im sorry i am a grammar nazi lol) so you can infer that if a song does not possess all of those said qualities that it cannot be considered music.

Again, i have to say that i am not an elitest that is not writing off the whole genre. Some of you are thinking that again, im sure. Not ALL rap is what i have described. Some is actually pretty good. But I am just looking at the big picture here.

"any sweet, pleasing, or harmonious sounds or sound: the music of the waves." --I am sure some rap out there has this quality but not all that i have heard. I'm just curious...but have any of you taken any music appreciation or music theory classes?

I just hope that you can be open-minded enough to see my point of view through this, and to please not flame me. I am only voicing my opinion. I do not mean to cause any anger/resentment towards any of you.

wow....time for my rant to be over. sry guys lol

oh and Hogan...electronic music does have melody, harmony, and color. Even if there is no singing, the melody is played on a keyboard or instrument of their choice. also, go to www.garritan.com and go to demos. all of those have been electronically made.

so...apparantly i am an elitest because i don't agree with the majority on something they care about? plus I never said I wrote off the genre. There are still some exceptions. I never said I hated all of the genre and that I disregard everything. I was just saying that technically (although some songs stay coherent to the definition of music) most rap is not much music. Although it might have some music in it, there's hardly any variation. I have heard a lot of rap music btw Hogan, and everything I have heard (except for Japanese hip hop, strangely lol) lacks at least one thing from that very definition that Zetsumei posted. I am not an elitest, and I am amazed that you can wrongly infer that from only one post.

Now, I am not trying to rustle any feathers here, believe me i don't want to make anyone uncomfortable. I am just voicing my opinion. I just want to give some examples pertaining to that definition of music.

All rap has rythm, correct? that's good that is 1/4. Some rap does have singing and in fact a melody, but the majority doesn't. It is the "singer" that talks through the song. And since there is no melody, how can there be harmony? and as for color. One can get an emotional feeling from this genre so that's also good. 2/4. Notice how the definition used the word AND near the end of number 1. (im sorry i am a grammar nazi lol) so you can infer that if a song does not possess all of those said qualities that it cannot be considered music.

Again, i have to say that i am not an elitest that is not writing off the whole genre. Some of you are thinking that again, im sure. Not ALL rap is what i have described. Some is actually pretty good. But I am just looking at the big picture here.

"any sweet, pleasing, or harmonious sounds or sound: the music of the waves." --I am sure some rap out there has this quality but not all that i have heard. I'm just curious...but have any of you taken any music appreciation or music theory classes?

I just hope that you can be open-minded enough to see my point of view through this, and to please not flame me. I am only voicing my opinion. I do not mean to cause any anger/resentment towards any of you.

wow....time for my rant to be over. sry guys lol

oh and Hogan...electronic music does have melody, harmony, and color. Even if there is no singing, the melody is played on a keyboard or instrument of their choice. also, go to www.garritan.com and go to demos. all of those have been electronically made.

Yes, I have taken music theory classes, and you are seriously blind and deaf.
1. It has rhythm even though most rap songs have horribly simple rhthym to begin with.
2. Electronic music has melody via keyboard or instrument, guess what? So do most rap songs.
3. Harmony is defined musically as a simultaneous combination of tones.
4. Color is used to describe the depth of a song, and in order to have color there must be rhythm, melody, and harmony.

I'm full of shit! I fail to see that rap is a genre of music and should be ass raped for my stupidity.

:smrt: Fixed!

I think rap is alright. I just prefer music that has a melody that makes you wanna go wild. Rap rarely has that. I usually get bored fast with rap. Its got rythem, yes. but it's seldomly melodic, like say..... Crush 40. and rap never has elec guitar solos. In short, a non melodic rhythem is an empty song in my eyes.

And besides. Rap isn't the enemy... MTV is.

Yes, because rad guitar solos define music. :rolleyes:

Obviously Guns N' Roses were the best thing to happen to music since Mozart.

I am here to save this topic. UAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Rap... I'm hard-pressed to explain exactly what it is about the genre that repels me so. Is it the guys who like to drive around with their car stereos pumped to the max, with insane bass levels shaking everything around them? That's a part of it.
For reference, very little about the popular music of the past 12 or so years do I enjoy. I constantly find myself listening to older groups and enjoying them instead of listening to the pop radio and turning it off after 20 seconds.
And even older rap I don't care for. I don't like the early Beastie Boys stuff, Run DMC is only okay to me, Grandmaster Flash I don't like - hell, I dig Blondie but can't stand Rapture. Rap in other languages doesn't help; I've heard Ukranian and Danish rap in addition to Japanese, and all of it repelled me.
What's the moral here? I'm not sure there is one.

Disco isn't coming back

No -noooooooooooooo! Disco is my life, man! The 70's never ended! Whip Inflation Now! Where's my pet rock? Time to put my bell bottoms on and dance the night away!

-_-;

No -noooooooooooooo! Disco is my life, man! The 70's never ended! Whip Inflation Now! Where's my pet rock? Time to put my bell bottoms on and dance the night away!

I will call you Disco Stu

Personally, I'd rather have a car full of thugs blasting rap than a car full of pencil-neck nerds blasting One-Winged Angel.

Well we have it post of the week.

DL and Listen to an album called Madvillainy if you've never heard it. If you dont like it, then you just cant get into rap music.

it sucks because its just different speeds and rythem paterns of "unce"

DL and Listen to an album called Madvillainy if you've never heard it. If you dont like it, then you just cant get into rap music.

It's as good as when it came out in 04'. Even the instrumental album holds it's own at a party.

Disco isn't coming back

and if it does...*Loads shotgun*

mainstream rap in very repulsive imo. one's knowledge for instruments, time signatures, bars, meaningful lyrics, tone and the like are completely thrown out the window. all the average rapper needs today is an image that follows that of every other rapper, a notepad full of "lyrics" that boast how great said person is, and a keyboard with presynthed drum beats in 4/4 time. I can't count how many times i've turned on the radio and listened to some rapper talk more than sing (and out of pitch for that matter) to an eerily familiar sounding beat.
sure there's rap out there that doesn't follow these trends. sure there are people out there that are willing to spend more than 45 minutes on the "next hit", they aren't the same people that are played on mtv.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not narrow-minded with what music i listen to. I enjoy rock, alternative, indie, folk, experimental, even rap if a rare jem happens to find my way. I think gym-class heroes and outkast are both excellent groups, if you consider it rap. But if I hear any complaint on how that isn't rap, and how I should go listen to 50 cent or snoop dogg for some real rap, go hang yourself, because mainstream is the same lack-luster bullcrap over and over again. You hear one song, you've heard them all.

and if it does...*Loads shotgun*

Fuck off, you musical elitist jackass. Listen to some Jamiroquai before you run your mouth of like that.

what gets to me, and its not only rap but also definatly modern rock, is that the messeges barely differ between many different artists. Its like theres no self identity or forms of articulate expression anymore, but it kills me that they act like they do, when its so obvious they just used artists before them as influence to do the exact same thing. Now i know everyone is influenced by other bands, but its like more than ever its clear that each music genre is gnawing on the same bone. People can say rappers only talk about cars woman and money, but listen to alot of the new rock out now. Too many suicidal lyrics, lots of talk about depression and popping pills and how your girlfriend breaking up with you makes you feel lost. Country music is now every male artists songs are all as emotional as possible, in an anology, its like every artists of each genre is only painting with one color, one form of lyrical expression. Nobody wants to really go outside this. I guess people really shouldnt complain about this cause weve shown as contibutors to the sales of many music labels, that we dont want a change, so its like alot of these artists are afraid to go outside this, it could harm there paycheck.

bands like pink floyd, radiohead, Nirvana, rappers like tupac and nas are so respected and loved cause they wernt like that, people could easily detect something special from them, and new it took real talent to do something completely different and make it sound so well, you can tell bands and artists like that do it for self expression, and not for success.


what this guy says is true all of the new crap is just talking about the same things i don't like rap everyone in my school nearly does.Its becouse the so called cool people do and it not just becouse i hate them that i hate rap but some rap is good only when its original however like it's the same with every genre like muse no one does music like muse at least not that i've heard.Muse
are better then 50 cent becouse they are original.From my point of view and i
won't say it's crap just unoriginal.

50 cent needs to die a horrible death, he's a disgrace to rap and hip hop.

Fuck off, you musical elitist jackass. Listen to some Jamiroquai before you run your mouth of like that.

Jeez it was a joke. relax.

I don't like alot of American popular rap(except the Wu Tang Clan), cause it does all sound the same(to me), but I do like some rap that isn't very popular, but it's good stuff and it just fits my kinda taste in music. Doctor Octagon is one of my favorite rappers


Doctor Octagon is a mad genius.

I have a friend who got me into trip-hop, and that's some crazy stuff.
Some rappers actually have clever lyrics, and I really appreciate that.
A good beat also helps. Like rock or punk, country, etc, there are TONS of people in the genre, and then a bunch of SUB genres. I like some of those "genres" more than others. That's how I feel about all types of music. Some of it I like and I get, some of it I don't.

It's tongue and cheek, give and take with any music I listen to.

So, I take it people hear one artist or song, and they hate it, so they assume everything else is like that.
Oh: And people saying it's always aboutr "Drugs" "sex" "money."

There are plenty of rock/punk/emo artists who sing about sex, drugs, and money. (Motley Crue, Panic!At the Disco, MCR, Green Day, KITTIE...) Take your pick. It's sort of hypocritical to say otherwise.


Some pretty good artists in rap you should check out (if you ask me):
Prodigy, Doctor Octagon, McChris, M.I.A

mainstream rap in very repulsive imo. Meaningful lyrics are completely thrown out the window.

This sounds a lot better. I mostly go for the lyrics in the music, to be honest...But anyway, lyrics that can be meaningful from person to person. What you may not like, someone else might.



all the average rapper needs today is an image that follows that of every other rapper, a notepad full of "lyrics" that boast how great said person is, and a keyboard with presynthed drum beats in 4/4 time.

Not necessarily.



I can't count how many times i've turned on the radio and listened to some rapper talk more than sing (and out of pitch for that matter) to an eerily familiar sounding beat.
Just because there isn't any SINGING, doesn't mean that it's not music.



sure there's rap out there that doesn't follow these trends. sure there are people out there that are willing to spend more than 45 minutes on the "next hit", they aren't the same people that are played on mtv.

Wow, I don't like MTV anymore anyway...too much teen shows.



Don't get me wrong, I'm not narrow-minded with what music i listen to.

I beg to differ.



I enjoy rock, alternative, indie, folk, experimental, even rap if a rare jem happens to find my way. I think gym-class heroes and outkast are both excellent groups, if you consider it rap. But if I hear any complaint on how that isn't rap, and how I should go listen to 50 cent or snoop dogg for some real rap, go hang yourself, because mainstream is the same lack-luster bullcrap over and over again. You hear one song, you've heard them all.

I like Snoop, Bitch.

I hate rap music because it gets on my nerves.

Don't need any better reason than that.

Yes something has to set off your nerves.

I hate rap music because it gets on my nerves.

Don't need any better reason than that.

Word.

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Some pretty good artists in rap you should check out (if you ask me):
Prodigy, Doctor Octagon, McChris, M.I.A[/QUOTE]

Prodigy is kick ass.

On a plus note, why is it that most of the time someone mentions a rap or techno artist/ group, I'm listening to one of their songs? Weird huh?

I hate rap music because it gets on my nerves.

Don't need any better reason than that.

Finally, an intelligent and well thought out response.

About damn time.

This sounds a lot better. I mostly go for the lyrics in the music, to be honest...But anyway, lyrics that can be meaningful from person to person. What you may not like, someone else might.
Very true, however alot of "professional" musicians write about the same stuff over and over, and its very hard to find real creativity anymore. Not just in rap, but everywhere.




Not necessarily.
"Not necessarily" has no merit when refuting someone else's statement. Back up what you say with some support or nobody will take you seriously. There are people in these forums that are much more harsh than I and wouldn't waste a second's notice in tearing you apart for saying something like this.


Just because there isn't any SINGING, doesn't mean that it's not music. Anything can be passed for music. Anything. A famous composer, John Cage, performed a piece entitled 4:22 in which absolutely no instruments are played. Its just ambient sounds. The difference here is there are many rappers that are attempting to hit certain notes and are failing miserably at it. Many others have horrible voices to begin with and shouldn't be singing/talking in the first place.




Wow, I don't like MTV anymore anyway...too much teen shows. I can go on for hours why I hate MTV but this isn't the place for it. However I'm glad I'm not the only one that dislikes MTV




I beg to differ.
Once again, support what you say. I would especially love to see you attempt that on this particular comment.




I like Snoop, Bitch.
It doesn't surprise me.

Snoop is a pretty talented rapper and his early material was pretty good, his albums have kind of fallen off lately but as far as mainstream rap goes he is one of the better ones out there.

Any rap I like, I only like it because it makes me laugh, or cause it reminds me of my brothers. I have nothing against it; I just don't get the point. Also, I think, other genres of music have more to offer.

Jumping in with the "I hate rap" crowd.

While I do like some rap instrumentals, the lyrics are what get on my nerves.

To me, R&B + Road Rage = Rap

Now a dance song, that has a quick rap mix dropped in (like the Bleach intro) is nice.

"Not necessarily" has no merit when refuting someone else's statement. Back up what you say with some support or nobody will take you seriously. There are people in these forums that are much more harsh than I and wouldn't waste a second's notice in tearing you apart for saying something like this.


"Not necessarily" Is pretty much to the point. Take it how you want, I really don't care.




Once again, support what you say. I would especially love to see you attempt that on this particular comment.

I'm flattered that you'd want me too, but maybe later. Perhaps over a cup of tea?




It doesn't surprise me.

Why doesn't it surprise you? I'd really like to know that.

*yawns.* Wow, I'm really in one of my better moods today. I'd really like a cookie, though.

*passes cookie*

Thank you! *chomps on cookie and gives Motombo a hug.*

=D You make Tyger happy.

Thank you! *chomps on cookie and gives Motombo a hug.*

=D You make Tyger happy.

NP...*Hides bag full of stolen cookies*

there are quite a few rappers out these days with meaningful lyrics, its just the same as any genre, you have to search through the crud to find them, thats all

I don't like rap. I prefer music that can be played live in concert with actual instruments. And the beats very repetitive. To me, more so than any other genre of music I have come in contact with. And the lyrics is nothing but drugs, sex, violence, and racial slurs.

I don't like rap. I prefer music that can be played live in concert with actual instruments. And the beats very repetitive. To me, more so than any other genre of music I have come in contact with. And the lyrics is nothing but drugs, sex, violence, and racial slurs.

Then I'd take it that you don't like the "electronica" genre as well, seeing as they do use the same type of equipment and the beats in both hip-hop and electronica are very repetitive.

I don't like rap. I prefer music that can be played live in concert with actual instruments. And the beats very repetitive. To me, more so than any other genre of music I have come in contact with. And the lyrics is nothing but drugs, sex, violence, and racial slurs.

Way to stereotype a genre and make a massive generalization.

I don't like rap. I prefer music that can be played live in concert with actual instruments. And the beats very repetitive. To me, more so than any other genre of music I have come in contact with. And the lyrics is nothing but drugs, sex, violence, and racial slurs.

Tsk-Tsk.

I'm disappointed in you. :(

One could argue that rock is nothing but sex, drugs and rock'n'roll, but it's way out of order to generalize on a grand scale like that. It's so easy to disregard something you know absolutely nothing about.

The string of words put together sounds annoying to me, no substitue for singing. And as for the music that goes with it, it loops too often, not enough variety. Where as for some all this is enjoyable it just annoys me so I dont listen to it.

Again, same could be said about Heavy/Death metal, that all they do is scream into the mic, but that would be generalizing.

Here's this: Don't judge a book by its cover, don't judge or hate a genre of music based only by the majority of singers/artists and their works.

Again, same could be said about Heavy/Death metal, that all they do is scream into the mic, but that would be generalizing.

Here's this: Don't judge a book by its cover, don't judge or hate a genre of music based only by the majority of singers/artists and their works.

Metal is pretty much all I choose to listen too and I agree totally on the screaming point with certain sub-genera's of metal like death metal, thats all the 'singing' they do. Thing is I can ignore that and listen to the riffs and the great solo's, those are sounds I like.

But as for rap I've heard so much from friends cd's, tv, the radio aaagh! I dont like it because it's rap, pure and simple. No matter how many different artists there are they all incorporate sounds and styles that make up rap which is why I hate all of it because I dont like those sounds.

I think its an acquired taste myself.

^ Lol, Nice to see you're here too Toasty!

Well, I made a thread about it along time ago on another forum, basically giving the explanations you all have. It's just a negative culture. Everything about it tends to lean towards things that are morally wrong, but yet again some rock is no better...But anyways. It's "participants" of the culture tend to absorb the message, which is morally negative to begin with, and apply it into their own lives. It would explain why there are so many "hardcore 'gangsta's'" out there.

^ Lol, Nice to see you're here too Toasty!

Well, I made a thread about it along time ago on another forum, basically giving the explanations you all have. It's just a negative culture. Everything about it tends to lean towards things that are morally wrong, but yet again some rock is no better...But anyways. It's "participants" of the culture tend to absorb the message, which is morally negative to begin with, and apply it into their own lives. It would explain why there are so many "hardcore 'gangsta's'" out there.


Metal is pretty much all I choose to listen too and I agree totally on the screaming point with certain sub-genera's of metal like death metal, thats all the 'singing' they do. Thing is I can ignore that and listen to the riffs and the great solo's, those are sounds I like.

But as for rap I've heard so much from friends cd's, tv, the radio aaagh! I dont like it because it's rap, pure and simple. No matter how many different artists there are they all incorporate sounds and styles that make up rap which is why I hate all of it because I dont like those sounds.

I think its an acquired taste myself.

you to seem alot alike

^ Lol, Nice to see you're here too Toasty!

Well, I made a thread about it along time ago on another forum, basically giving the explanations you all have. It's just a negative culture. Everything about it tends to lean towards things that are morally wrong, but yet again some rock is no better...But anyways. It's "participants" of the culture tend to absorb the message, which is morally negative to begin with, and apply it into their own lives. It would explain why there are so many "hardcore 'gangsta's'" out there.

I get it.

You hate black people.

50 cent needs to die a horrible death, he's a disgrace to rap and hip hop.

I wouldn't wish death on anyone, but.....

I don't like rap. I prefer music that can be played live in concert with actual instruments. And the beats very repetitive. To me, more so than any other genre of music I have come in contact with. And the lyrics is nothing but drugs, sex, violence, and racial slurs.

there is quite a few rap groups and rappers that use live instruments in concert and on albums (the roots being an immediate example), but hey, how to stereotype a whole genre......

Some of you people get the wrong idea, what is played on the radio and seen on TV are not rap, I don't even know what the heck those are. True hip hop is beautiful, smart, and creative. I mean man, the metaphores, punchlines, an rhymes they use! its ridiculous. And I am not talking about D4L or any of them mainstream artists, I am talking about true Hip Hop artists like Talib Kweli, Rakim, ATCQ, KRS One, MF Doom, GZA/Genius, Common, Canibus, JMT and the list goes on. The majority of the people bashin rap have absolutely no knowledge of what rap is or they base their critics on what they hear on the radio and I really hate that because true Hip Hop is not even played on the radio or TV at all, exept for a few artists like Nas, Jay-Z and Eminem.

I get it.

You hate black people.

I get it.

You are a moron who doesn't understand the concept of critical thought.

I get it.

You have no sense of humor and cannot tell when someone is using blatant sarcasm.

I get it.

You have no sense of humor and cannot tell when someone is using blatant sarcasm.

I get it.

your weak and insecure in your real life so u make yourself feel better by making fun of moronic ff7 fanboys

I get it.

You provide nothing to a but just post random retardation, and just watch your whole life fail.

I think rap has a few good songs out there, but the majority of them are not very good (morally and the way it sounds). My Mom can't stand rap, and I think some of it is Ok, but for the most part...ehhh...

Hhhhahahaa! You guys are crazy.


I think rap has a few good songs out there, but the majority of them are not very good (morally and the way it sounds). My Mom can't stand rap, and I think some of it is Ok, but for the most part...ehhh...

It's because most of you young European dudes never heard real hip-hop. I wonder if Smarties ever heard this cat right here. I'll do you a favor and put you on to somethin' just this once, Taylor Lee...

J DILLA

I get it.

You are a moron who doesn't understand the concept of critical thought.

Is it because I'm black?

shadukai and sain share the same pair of brain cells, enough said.

I do say, it must be a wonderful world where knowing about something amounts to having done absolutely no research.

shadukai and sain share the same pair of brain cells, enough said.

u can split brain cells in half?

u can split brain cells in half?

Not really, more like use stem cells to force-induce the creation of an identical pair of brain cells.

lol... you know sain has no idea what you just said right?

lol... you know sain has no idea what you just said right?

That's the idea.

Is it because I'm black?

No, its because you jump to conclusions, and that only makes you look like an idiot, now if you placed more EMPHASIS on what you're trying to say, then your opinion would be counted as one. If you don't agree with me, than post why, don't make a half-asked retarded remark. With that said, please stay on-topic. Thank you.

Oh ok now I really get.

You're Hitler.

You guys take this way too seriously, you should just agree to disagree...

Also,

I hate rap with a passion.

How the heck did Hitler get involved in a thread about rapping.

It's like FFVII getting into a thread about good games.

Oh ok now I really get.

You're Hitler.

You've just confirmed my beliefs that, in fact, you are an idiot. I suggest you stop to prevent yourself from showing your idiocy further.

Now, to stay on-topic.

This is from a post I made on another forum about 2 years ago.
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1. Rap is perverse.
I swear an average of 83% of new rap songs are perverse. The lyrics are basically "How much I want some" or "Show me some booty" and I'm paraphrasing.... If you want sex, I don't really care, every person with a penis wants sex, you're no different, but rappers don't understand the idea of "self discipline". I also don't care how much you want it or how hot a girl is, sorry, I got better things to do.

2. Most mainstream rap is not art.
Some people see All of rap is either good or art, I disagree, with a few exceptions. Rap is now basically either stating something perverse, or trying to show how "hardcore" or "Gangsta" the rapper is, over and over, saying it differently. Some rap, however, is very emotional, and very poetic....(ex: some Usher songs and an R. Kelly song or two) but then again, point 1 comes up.

3. Alot of the songs have the same beat and tempo.
As the title says, the beats are occasionally changed around a bit and played faster or slower. Some variations are ok.....but most of the time it's a disappointment. Seriously, any idiot could come up with some of those beats. And technically the rappers don't deserve the title of "artist" because they never make the music themselves.

4. Rap tries to be "gangsta"
Singing about how "hardcore" you are all the time isn't gonna make me think you're a badass, or even respect you.

My conclusion is, the worst sides of mainstream rap are completely and underly horrible...I am aware that there is more to rap than what is listed, because the good side of rap actually stands for something. But then again, good rap is a rarity.
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Whatever Adolf, I think it's obvious that you are a big racist jerk.

Also, I hear you hate puppies and give babies cancer.

shadukai and sain share the same pair of brain cells, enough said.

AAAAhhhhhhhaaaaaaa!!lol

ATOMNARMOR STOP THIS MADNESS!!!!!!

The battle between rap and rock rages

Please give me the pleasure, we've never met I will thoroughly disprove you if you don't mind.

You've just confirmed my beliefs that, in fact, you are an idiot. I suggest you stop to prevent yourself from showing your idiocy further.

Now, to stay on-topic.

This is from a post I made on another forum about 2 years ago.
~~~~~
1. Rap is perverse.
I swear an average of 83% of new rap songs are perverse. The lyrics are basically "How much I want some" or "Show me some booty" and I'm paraphrasing.... If you want sex, I don't really care, every person with a penis wants sex, you're no different, but rappers don't understand the idea of "self discipline". I also don't care how much you want it or how hot a girl is, sorry, I got better things to do.

2. Most mainstream rap is not art.
Some people see All of rap is either good or art, I disagree, with a few exceptions. Rap is now basically either stating something perverse, or trying to show how "hardcore" or "Gangsta" the rapper is, over and over, saying it differently. Some rap, however, is very emotional, and very poetic....(ex: some Usher songs and an R. Kelly song or two) but then again, point 1 comes up.

3. Alot of the songs have the same beat and tempo.
As the title says, the beats are occasionally changed around a bit and played faster or slower. Some variations are ok.....but most of the time it's a disappointment. Seriously, any idiot could come up with some of those beats. And technically the rappers don't deserve the title of "artist" because they never make the music themselves.

4. Rap tries to be "gangsta"
Singing about how "hardcore" you are all the time isn't gonna make me think you're a badass, or even respect you.

My conclusion is, the worst sides of mainstream rap are completely and utterly horrible...I am aware that there is more to rap than what is listed, because the good side of rap actually stands for something. But then again, good rap is a rarity.
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1) Completely biased because there is more of these "perverse" things in R&B and Pop music I can't make chicken crap out of modern rock so meh. Also not everyone with a penis wants sex ever heard of asexual? not to mention if such vulgarity sickens you, you really should move to Amishland modern times are disgusting make peace or gtfo to be brutally honest.

2) You like every half-assed media fanatic have just been regurgitating the same thing time and time again. Rap is not "perverse" or "gangsta " its freedom of expression. It's like bottled up anger, rather than cause self-affliction you rap about male dominance. People hare always throwing bitch fits oh it's insulting to women, oh it envokes violence. I'm sorry if an idiot cannot differentiate a story from real life he deserves death.

3)Pure bullshit, the beats are not repetitive and the tempo doesn't matter. listen to "grinding", "spit ya game" or "hip hop is dead" you want to tell me all these tracks have the same beat and tempo? Also each and everyone of them musical masterpiece. Not to mention the hell you could make any good hip hop beat.

4) I'm not even going to address it's just faulty logic.

My conclusion is you just like picking battles you say that mainstream rap is bad but not all rap, but you label all rap in your post.

If I label rap, than explain THIS. (http://snoopkirby.ytmnd.com)

Only rap song CONSIERED decent, lulz.

To answer your response to #4: Look at Rich Boy and Chamillionare, they're perfect examples.

You're talking about three artists. With the exception of some of Snoop's early work three pretty bad artists. Snoop is a pretty talented freestyler as well but it's not like he's rap battling in the streets anymore. As far as the other two go they are just terrible. I think nearly anyone who listens to more than the shitty rap played on Top 40 stations would agree. I'm not saying you can't like rap, I'm saying you don't know anything about it.

^ Thats exactly why I said mainstream rap. Referring to you saying "I think nearly anyone who listens to more than the shitty rap played on Top 40 stations would agree."

(And when I linked to Snoop Dog, I was making a joke. Snoop Dogg + Kirbyland)

I'm not hating rap altogether, granted, but there are just some things about it which I think is making it the way it is. I feel the same way about how Heavy Metal is starting to suck. Same idea.

Plus, I actually don't know that much on the in-depth rap you're referring to. Again, I only mean MAINSTREAM rap.

Most people agree that mainstream rap sucks (or at least most "music people"). I don't think thats the argument. The problem stems from people lumping all rap into that stereotype, which is what nearly every anti-rap person in this thread has done, and a lot of the pro-rap people don't do a very good job of explaining or listen to the crappy hip-hop and don't know what they're talking about. That's why I go through streaks of defending the art form and then forgetting about because this thread never goes anywhere. Whenever people come to a consensus some new person who hasn't read the thread makes another idiotic statement that has already been stated countless times before and the whole process repeats itself. It's a never ending cycle of stupid.

but yeah anyway, I agree most mainstream rap isn't very good though are a few exceptions.

The same goes for just about every genre. Mainstream, in general, sucks ass.

If I label rap, than explain THIS. (http://snoopkirby.ytmnd.com)

Only rap song CONSIERED decent, lulz.

To answer your response to #4: Look at Rich Boy and Chamillionare, they're perfect examples.

Stop the idiocy shadukai. It's the classic example of "on the outside looking in" syndrome. You realy don't know what the hell your talking about as far as hip hop. There's stuff out there you'll never hear in all your days that would shut your gap up about it and teach you at the same time. You obviously need to be tought but I don't have the patience.

Well, then show me some stuff, smartass.

And yes, I already established that I'm not completely sure what I'm talking about when in comes to the other side of rap. Had you read the next post right, you would of known that.

Teach me if you're so knowledgable.

Check out Common, Atmosphere, P.O.S., Brother Ali, Eyedea and Abilities, Immortal Technique, Mos Def, Busdriver, Subtitle, Gnarls Barkley would fall under popular but good, Aesop Rock, De La Soul, Public Enemy, Murs, and the list goes on.

Check out Common, Atmosphere, P.O.S., Brother Ali, Eyedea and Abilities, Immortal Technique, Mos Def, Busdriver, Subtitle, Gnarls Barkley would fall under popular but good, Aesop Rock, De La Soul, Public Enemy, Murs, and the list goes on.

Thats right.

Heres the jist: If you turn to BET and whatever popular music show and/or radio station you want, are you commonly going to see a music video or hear a song made by said artists? No, odds are 20-1 that you would hear Atmosphere or who ever. Out of 20 songs, only 2 or 3 of the songs would be made by said artists. Why? Because the majority of listeners want to hear songs about money, rims, and bitches.

Another example: TRL (Not that I watch it :P). the same damn song keeps getting requested over and over and ****ing over.

I can understand people's "distaste" for rap music; everyone has their own likings. However, its a much more ignorant statement to generalize the content of rap music to be infused with drugs/guns/girls. If you're going to say "rap music is annoying," you should AT LEAST say mainstream rap is annoying- your quarrel is with mainstream hip hop, not the "whole" of rap music. There are plenty of intelligent, highbrow rappers that actually rhyme with significance.


I want people to really understand the difference because you'd be pissing 99% of rap fans off by saying "rap music sucks," whereas if you'd have said "mainstream rap sucks," then 99% of rap fans would agree with you.

I can understand people's "distaste" for rap music; everyone has their own likings. However, its a much more ignorant statement to generalize the content of rap music to be infused with drugs/guns/girls. If you're going to say "rap music is annoying," you should AT LEAST say mainstream rap is annoying- your quarrel is with mainstream hip hop, not the "whole" of rap music. There are plenty of intelligent, highbrow rappers that actually rhyme with significance.


I want people to really understand the difference because you'd be pissing 99% of rap fans off by saying "rap music sucks," whereas if you'd have said "mainstream rap sucks," then 99% of rap fans would agree with you.

wahey!!!!

an intelligent answer

Because if classic musicians such as Bach or Beehtoven from hundreds of years ago were to come alive, they would be disgraced at what music has become.

II think they would be more worried about all this crazy new technology first.

In all honesty...I hate it, and with a passion. I find it talentless because it's all the same. They all sound the same...they all look the same. Maybe it's just because I'm not physically or emotionally attracted to black men...

I lean more towards Punk and Rock, but also enjoy some Pop, Trance and a few country songs. For those who say they hate country, you have to at least listen to Save A Horse Ride A Cowboy by Big and Rich.

Either way, I find rap talentless and offensive. Especially that Eminem, he's the most annoying wigger I've ever heard of >.<

I HATE COUNTRY!


Talentless and offensive huh?

>_>; I still don't understand what black men have to do with anything. It seems to just be thrown in there.