Forshizzle Dizzle

Why, in the name of all that is sacred, is this thread not shot to death and then incinerated?

Quoted for truth. Thread over!

i am a fan of multiple genres and i agree with a lot of people that rap//hip-hop has gone done hill ... i don't even listen to radio anymore. keep in mind though, that not all rappers and MCs talk about shooting people, dealing, or sex. check out Common, Will Smith, will.i.am, Talib Kweli just to name a few. well, they talk about sex too, but not in the "you're my bitch" kind of way. if people don't like the current state of rap in general, just listen to old-school and underground rap. that's what i do anyways ... and speaking of underground, check out this dude called Prince Ali. he released a [free!] mixtape on his myspace a couple months ago entitled "I Miss '94". good shit right there.

EDIT:
o.0; oh. i didn't know it was over. lol, sorry!

Why, in the name of all that is sacred, is this thread not shot to death and then incinerated?

simple, we LOVE hip hop :D

WOW........@ SOME OF THE PREVIOUS POSTS HERE LOL ARE YALL FOR REAL, HIP HOP IS MORE THAN WHAT U SEE ON TV, ESPECIALLY BET, MY SUGGESTION FOR THE HIP HOP HATERS THAT ARE SO FAST TO GENERALIZE AND STEREOTYPE BEFORE ASSUMING TO INTERNALIZE THE ENTIRE CULTURE IN A SPAN OF 2000-NOW DO YA HISTORY FROM THE MID 80'S, TO THE LATE 90'S, LOOK UP ARTISTS IN THOSE YEARS......GET SOME OF THEIR ALBUMS AND LISTEN TO THE DIFFERENCE THE LUST FOR MONEY & FAME INSTEAD OF EDUCATING FUTURE GENERATIONS IS WHAT GOT YA HEADZ ALL F*CKED UP ABOUT WHAT U THINK HIP HOP REALLY IS......DO YA HISTORY AND SEE THE DIFFERENCES ABOUT IT B4 YOU JUDGE
DONT GET ME WRONG, SOME OF THE POSTS ON WHY ITS HATED [MAINLY THE CURRENT STEREOTYPES] ARE INDEED CORRECT BUT DONT THINK THAT EVERY ARTIST YOU MAY RUN INTO ARE GONNA BE THE SAME AS THE NEXT, ITS A GOOD WAY OF GETTIN PWNED!

HERES SOME ARTISTS I SUGGEST:
NECRO
WU TANG CLAN FROM 93'-98'
EPMD
DJ HONDA
ORGANIZED KONFUSION
PETE ROCK
DJ PREMIER
GANGSTARR
COMMON
ILL BILL
3RD BASS
NWA
ICE CUBE
ROYAL FLUSH
CAPONE N NOREAGA
MOBB DEEP [BEFORE THEY SIGNED TO GAY UNIT]

i agree ... i just wish you didn't write in all caps. that gives me a headache.

Let me break it down like this: If you dislike rap music, you're totally racist.

Scratch that. I haven't gone far enough.

You're directly responsible for: 300 years of enslavement of the African people, the triangular trade, AIDS, herpes, Nazism, and Lyndon LaRouche.

All right, I've spoken my piece. Carry on.

Because this emo wave has killed it's time in the spotlight. Hating something that's not "in" is common to see, it's people trying to look fashionable, up to date and trendy. The same thing happened to glam rock, back then it was the greatest thing in the world to have psychotic hair and tight leather pants. Now we look back and shake our heads at the culture, but at times what comes through is "Lol rock sux cuz dey luk'd ghey" judging and hating the genre of music by the culture.

It has happened to rap and hip hop, simple. People are hating on rap because of the culture, it happens.

Let me break it down like this: If you dislike rap music, you're totally racist.

Scratch that. I haven't gone far enough.

You're directly responsible for: 300 years of enslavement of the African people, the triangular trade, AIDS, herpes, Nazism, and Lyndon LaRouche.

All right, I've spoken my piece. Carry on.

WHAT?!?!?! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!
k first of all. just because you are of a different ethnicity, doesn't mean you have to fit into stereotypes. not ALL black people like rap, And not ALL black people would care if I said, hip hop sucks.
Furthermore. hating rap doesnt mean youre directly responsible for "300 years of slavery" because that makes no sense.
I have black friends who would slap you for being so stupid.
OH and by the way, black artists such as Mongo Santamaria are 100000 times more talented than any of these rap artists, as you call them.

phew. now that I got that out of my system. I am going to sum up why people hate rap so much.
1) human beings are uncomfortable with things they don't understand, and instead of accepting they dont understand, they criticize. (with the exception of me, hahahaha)
2) people have DIFFERENT TASTES!

SO WHO CARES!
some like hip hop, some (like me) like 70's prog and death metal. SO lets all just get along?O:]

I won't deny the validity of James Brown's words. But they don't really apply to our music scene today. Nor should rap be described as music in the first place. I think I'm owed an appology from every person who has ever been involved in rap music. What a mistake it was giving all ethnicities equal rights...

dawg (yeah, that's how i spelled it), i sincerely hope that was a joke.

if you don't like commercial hip hop, there are plenty of commercial and underground alternatives:

N*E*R*D (the neptunes, their music could easily be the theme music to anyone into games and anime)

MF doom (YouTube'rs check out the videos for "all caps" and "rhinestone cowboy" respectively)

kanye west (c'mon, he used akira as the theme for the video for his song "stronger")

Lupe fiasco (listen to "...and he gets the girl")

Del the Funky Homosapien (he has a song dedicated to video games called "protoculture"), and his crew the hieroglyphics

MURS (check out his video for "Murray's Revenge")

...and the list goes on and on. after hearing these few songs, please tell me if you can sum up all rap to being about nothing more than talk about...

"money, cash, hoes/ i'm from the hood, stupid/what type facts are those?"
-jay z, 99 problems

dawg (yeah, that's how i spelled it), i sincerely hope that was a joke.

doesn't look like it was. it's a shame that there are still some close-minded people. in this day and age, you simply can't afford to do that.

EDIT: @DarkStill - we must have posted at the same time. anyhoo, it's kind of funny. i listen to most of those same alternatives. and might i add a few?

Nujabes
Fat Jon
Shing02

yes, they all have something in common (Samurai Champloo) but each of their styles of music are very different but still hip-hop. don't let today's radio and tv full you.

People often wonder why youths curse alot. It's from Rap and hip-hop.

No, it's because everybody. including their family, friends, TV, people on the street, etc, curse a lot. Last I checked, there are a lot of rock bands out there that swear, and there are lots of movies that do it as well, not to mention books (Catcher in the Rye, anyone?) Blaming rap as the sole cause of cursing among youth is one of the most ignorant things I've heard in a while.

These sorts of topics are usually rife with ignorance on the topic, and in this particular case, that rap is all about guns and hoes, or that even a large portion of rap is about guns and hoes.

Not the truth.

There is a lot more to rap music, and even some of the groups that do rap about guns and violence, such as Wu-Tang or 2pac, there's meaning there. You may chose to not see it, but it's there. However, a large portion of the over-commercialized trash they put on MTV and the radio, these rappers that feel they need to represent the hood to be credible, therefore rap about things they don't know just to get street cred, that's where this particular problem lies.

And then there is a large group of artists that just do there own thing independent of any of the industries commercialized crap, such as your Mr. Lifs or Dels.

People who argue that rap is repetitive and has no melody, I could say the same thing about a lot of rock music.

The point is, rap music is largely misunderstood by many who take what they see on TV at face value and chose to no acknowledge it as an art form. Not liking the genre because it doesn't suit your tastes is perfectly acceptable, in fact, I commend people who truly know their tastes (something many people do not fully understand, I include myself in this), but not liking it out of ignorance is sad.

To me, you really can't call yourself a fan of music if you don't honestly give everything a chance and introduce some variety into your music. Rap is probably the most diverse genre of music out there right now, and I really think that there's something for everyone to be found in it, if you only give it a chance.

Actually it's

Lupe Fiasco ( C'mon the name of his album was Jedi Mind Tricks.

facepalm.jpg

well lupe fiascos a faggot than isnt he... jedi mind tricks is the name of a rap group that fuckin burn that toy cunt

I seriously cant fathom what you are trying to say.

I don't like rap because it always talks about sex. women, money...
I prefer heavy metal!!!!

Thank you for enlightening us, you've really answered the question without being biased.:rolleyes:

I don't like rap because it always talks about sex. women, money...
I prefer heavy metal!!!!


sex women money...... im sure theres a few more topics in hip hop out there

2nd and foremost, congrats on your first post!

well lupe fiascos a faggot than isnt he... jedi mind tricks is the name of a rap group that fuckin burn that toy cunt

Lupe Fiasco is a very talented rapper and has not released an album called Jedi Mind Tricks, his first album was called Food Liquor and his newest is called The Cool.

So perhaps you should both learn what the fuck you are talking about.

Lupe Fiasco is a very talented rapper and has not released an album called Jedi Mind Tricks, his first album was called Food Liquor and his newest is called The Cool.

So perhaps you should both learn what the fuck you are talking about.

I agree with you that Lupe is a talented rapper. But He has released and "Album" called Jedi Mind tricks. It's not an album you can purchase in stores it's a mix tape(underground record). I find the mix tapes are where you can find raw talent, if you don't believe me try Google or torrents.

I don't like rap because it always talks about sex. women, money...
I prefer heavy metal!!!!

so you'd prefer tales of suicide to 'tales of sex, money, and cars'? (notice how i'm generalizing just like you? :rolleyes: ) like i said, the artists that i listed above, give them a listen. otherwise, don't summarize what you see on mtv (because i seriously doubt you'll ever watch BET) as what all rap music is about.

Lupe is decent. definitely stands out in the mainstream. "Daydreamin" featuring Jill Scott is a real dope track also.

Lupe Fiasco is a very talented rapper and has not released an album called Jedi Mind Tricks, his first album was called Food Liquor and his newest is called The Cool.



I find it ironic I'm listening to "Dumb it Down" by him while I'm reading all this.

I think people are used to hearing the phrases that degrades women, or shooting up everybody. Rappers wanted to express what has been (or still is) going on in the streets. Women do dress in skimpy clothing that sends a message to the men and gangs are on a rampage. People don't want to hear TRUE LIFE. Nowadays, hip hop is more about whatever life brings us. I mean, has anybody heard the song "Independent" by Webbie?
It also depends on what the rapper feels like talking about. But those people who experienced the rap from the past are still in that momentum, even though they haven't heard the latest songs. My mom still thinks that rappers want to shoot up everybody and slap their women. SO not true. Not ALL rappers do that. She's still stuck in the 90's. =_= Then again... I am too XD.

i've always wondered, why is rap music bashed by people?

i mean, they say they objectify the women in their videos. well, those woemn wanted to be invideos, so they obviously knew what it would mean. the lyrics cause people to comit violent acts? anyone who can be influenced by the music doesn't need to be allowed in public in the first place. if i made a rap song aboput climbing a mountain, would you go hiking? you just plain don't understand it? well, i don't get punk rock, or emo rock, or whatever the media's callin it.

so please tell me, why don't you like rap? if you like, post your theories anyway.

I will tell you why I don't like rap, I don't like rap because all they say in it is "fuck, mother fucker, bitch, whore, suck, and last but not lease, nigger", I mean why are you happy to listen to words like that taking over 3/4 of the lyrics of the song? I listen to rock and a little of rap where its not full of those words... AND I'm not EMO at ALL.

My god, did you read anything other than the first post? That's been said countless times before. Now is no different, that is mass generalization. An entire genre doesn't suck because you've only heard some crappy media inflamed songs.

My god, did you read anything other than the first post? That's been said countless times before. Now is no different, that is mass generalization. An entire genre doesn't suck because you've only heard some crappy media inflamed songs.

Well yeah I only read the first post, the starter of the post... And the rappers I used to listen to their music were EMINEM, 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Xzibit, Lil Jon, Sean Paul, Ying Yang Twins, Chamillionaire, DMX, The Game, Ice Cube, Ja Rule, Jay Z, Justin Timberlake, Ludacris, Twista and Pitbull...

And my favorite is EMINEM... So hey I don't HATE rap I just found it repetative, and PREFER rock...

WHAT?!?!?! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!
k first of all. just because you are of a different ethnicity, doesn't mean you have to fit into stereotypes. not ALL black people like rap, And not ALL black people would care if I said, hip hop sucks.
Furthermore. hating rap doesnt mean youre directly responsible for "300 years of slavery" because that makes no sense.
I have black friends who would slap you for being so stupid.
OH and by the way, black artists such as Mongo Santamaria are 100000 times more talented than any of these rap artists, as you call them.

phew. now that I got that out of my system. I am going to sum up why people hate rap so much.
1) human beings are uncomfortable with things they don't understand, and instead of accepting they dont understand, they criticize. (with the exception of me, hahahaha)
2) people have DIFFERENT TASTES!

SO WHO CARES!
some like hip hop, some (like me) like 70's prog and death metal. SO lets all just get along?O:]

you see, you just cant tell sarcasm through the internet can you

Well yeah I only read the first post, the starter of the post... And the rappers I used to listen to their music were EMINEM, 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Xzibit, Lil Jon, Sean Paul, Ying Yang Twins, Chamillionaire, DMX, The Game, Ice Cube, Ja Rule, Jay Z, Justin Timberlake, Ludacris, Twista and Pitbull...

And my favorite is EMINEM... So hey I don't HATE rap I just found it repetative, and PREFER rock...

ha, and that makes up the entire genre? those artists? funny that you put justin timberlake in the category as hip hop/rap. that also shows how little you know about the genre itself.

Im seriously waiting for Snake to silently kill this thread.

Rap is just crap without the "c".

Sorry, it's just my opinion. However misguided some may feel that is.

Oh god...
not AGAIN!!!

this is a redundant topic now.
Every one just says Rap sucks and never puts a reason
OR
has the same tired reason of: All they talk about is Drugs, Bitches, and Bling.

WTF!!!

That's just a cop out now. Everyone that like Rap has killed that reason with examples of other songs and artists.
If nobody else has anything new to add, please let this thread die!

Why wont people let this topic lay to rest already!?
It's been whored out like a bitch time and time again.
Put it out of its misery!

Well yeah I only read the first post, the starter of the post... And the rappers I used to listen to their music were EMINEM, 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Xzibit, Lil Jon, Sean Paul, Ying Yang Twins, Chamillionaire, DMX, The Game, Ice Cube, Ja Rule, Jay Z, Justin Timberlake, Ludacris, Twista and Pitbull...

And my favorite is EMINEM... So hey I don't HATE rap I just found it repetative, and PREFER rock...

1) justin timberlake isn't a rapper.
2) no wonder you think all rap is the same; all you listen to is commercial artists, so it wouldn't shock me that eminem is your favorite out of the bunch you have just listed. go on youtube and search for some madlib, j dilla, MF doom, MURS, tribe called quest, and pete rock (the song "T.R.O.Y" in particular), then you can tell me if that's all that rap is about.

Rap is just crap without the "c".

Sorry, it's just my opinion. However misguided some may feel that is.

i guess y'all might not like this song, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_HVSvErbmE) because all rap is crap.

I think many people hate rap because the rapper think they are better then others.
Maybe becuase rapper shows women as a toy too

MC Chris is the best rapper ever. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aqSp7Qji-M)

I like early rap... DJ Jazzy Jeff before they became really big, but best of all the Fat Boys! they were awesome I loved how creative they got. I can't find most of their albums anywhere for some reason.
Most mainstream modern rap (and I say mainstream with heavy emphasis here) I don't care for much mainly because of the attitude you know, the "I'm the biggest baddest bitch gonna blow you away" sort of thing. It's not so much what they say, really its HOW they say it: like you should be privelaged to have bought this album because you are beneath me sort of attitude. Having said all that, I have heard some modern stuff that has a bit of rap in it or is influenced by rap that I like, but in general none of it is mainstream; more smallish band underground kind of stuff. It's hard to define really, but to me the early 80's rap had a much more carefree feeling to it and was much more creative, especially the early street mix tapes before any of them got signed to big lables. I think maybe because rap was more done back then as a actual art and for enjoyment, whereas now it just seems too commercialized and like you almost have to belong to a special "club" to belong. But then, its not rap exclusively that makes me feel this way either, quite a lot of modern rock (or what passes for rock in some cases) also is in the same boat.

Not all rap music is bad...just the newer rap artist I guess? lol they seem to have the same people in their videos, always talking about the same crap over and over...they're like an insult to the actually very talented rappers =/

It's kind of like 90's pop music but in the form of rap where it's the same tacky junk over and over.

And honestly I get sick of hearing shake ya ass in every video and about women having fat asses lmao..I mean wtf? lol yes half the women in the videos do have very nice bodies but I don't want to hear what you'd like to do to it and how she may like it or whatever >.> lol

i'm not a huge fan of rap, but there definitely is some good rap in my ears:

run d.m.c
cypress hill
n.w.a
public enemy
wu-tang clan
gza
etc.

There's a few rappers I listen too, but I think the majority of rap in the music industry is too degrading. And I'm not saying I don't curse or say inappropriate things ocassionally, who doesn't. But when it's every other word I mean come on.

Except I love Ludacris who has pretty raunchy lyrics ...but yeah whatever lol.

i'm not a huge fan of rap, but there definitely is some good rap in my ears:

run d.m.c
cypress hill
n.w.a
public enemy
wu-tang clan
gza
etc.

Bingo, nuff said.

The problem is that the ignorant mASSess just want to hear music and videos about gettin rich and getting hos. Its all part of the ghetto mentality.

Oh crap! I forgot about Run DMC and Public Enemy, yeah those are great too! Thanks for jogging the memory. I never heard of Wu-tang clan, will have to give them a listen.

I think that rap music is more about messages than music. The problem is that to sing a message you must have something to say. When you're rich and famous, you have no more real problems, and nothing to say. So they try to sell a very simple and addictive music, with nothing in it...... and that works. But it's bad.

I listen some rap songs. One, two, three times. Then I feel it is nothing than addiction, they're empty and made to be enjoyed by whoever, sung by whoever - and that SUCKS. :( So I stop and I listen to the Odin Sphere OST.

I think that rap music is more about messages than music. The problem is that to sing a message you must have something to say. When you're rich and famous, you have no more real problems, and nothing to say. So they try to sell a very simple and addictive music, with nothing in it...... and that works. But it's bad.

I listen some rap songs. One, two, three times. Then I feel it is nothing than addiction, they're empty and made to be enjoyed by whoever, sung by whoever - and that SUCKS. :( So I stop and I listen to the Odin Sphere OST.

Haha, yeah Wu-Tang sure sets out to say a message most of the time, if anything the message is "Look at how we reference Thundercats and shooting someone in the same sentence"

They're still great though, RZA sets up an excellent beat and the rappers accentuate it with great rhythm and pretty funny lyrics.

Haha, yeah Wu-Tang sure sets out to say a message most of the time, if anything the message is "Look at how we reference Thundercats and shooting someone in the same sentence"

They're still great though, RZA sets up an excellent beat and the rappers accentuate it with great rhythm and pretty funny lyrics.

Hmm. I don't know if that's necessarily true. Yes, Wu-Tang has battle rhymes, but how are you going to say that's all they have in their songs? and if there are instances of such lyrics, please let me know. "Can it be all so simple," "Tearz," "C.R.E.A.M.," "Cold World," "I Gotcha Back," "Impossible," "Little Ghetto Boys,"...this is pointless. Go listen again.

The only Rap song I like is "Intergalactic Planetary" by Beastie Boys. :B

Edit: Be happy you don't know German Rap. This is sooooooo bad. You see little mama-boys who try to be ghetto while rapping in German - a language which fits to all but NOT to rap. x_X

One fo the greatest reasons why rappers are so hated is because they never say anything good. they repeat the same rhymes everytime they rap and they keep humiliating woman in a profoun way. sadly woman are stupid enough to listen to this music, but dont give a damn if it offends woman. I know that those type of woman arent here, but you have to admit that they are complete idiots in school, specially high school. Rap is always going to exist no matter what we say. there are some rappers that say beautiful things, but most of them are christian rappers or liberalist thinkers. either way I think that rap can be used in a postiive way. its just a matter of who is inspired enough to rhyme with true and meanigngful words.

You guys are listening to the wrong artists.
I luv hip hop & have been a fan for nearly 20 years.

Mainstream rap is a joke.
Try indie or underground rap.
Fools like 50 cent make it hard to enjoy hip hop for what it is.

Why do you think the women want to be with these fools?
$$$ the whole fantasy of the "good life".
If these girls had other reasons for hangin with the guys would you respect them any more?
Most of these chix think they can get somewhere if they're seen with the fools.


Theres artist like Lupe Fiasco & Immortal Technique,etc tell stories.
I'll up a song by Immortal Technique that gives me chills everytime I listen to it.
I have so much hip hop you guys may find interesting.

Check this track out let me know what you think:

Immortal Technique -Revolutionary Vol.1
Dance with the Devil(track 11)
Warning explicit lyrics
http://www.mediafire.com/?ubgguxz2ggt

If anyone is interested in giving hip hop a shot & not making judgments based on sterotypes & mainstream media hype, PM me & I'll convert you into a "hip hop fan" too.

My gripe is with Pop music.
How can young kids look up to Paris Hilton or Britney(Shitney) Spears.
If Paris was to sing about her life it'd would be worse than rap.
All $$$ & bling, parties & bullshit,making sex tapes to became famous when she really didn't need the $$$.
Pop music artists are a bunch of "Attention Whores".
Disney teeny bopper stars are no better.

I am down with the "Wicked Clownz".

I am down with the "Wicked Clownz".

ICP?

Heres another sick track.
Immortal Technique -Revolutionary Vol.1
The Prophecy(track 12)
Warning explicit lyrics
http://www.mediafire.com/?bbgamggb1dj

No Mercy(track14)
http://www.mediafire.com/?sa1mj2vsbbx

The Illest(track 15)
http://www.mediafire.com/?hgvzggdbx2b
The girl in the 1st verse is Jean Grae she's is one of the best females IMO she better than a lot of the guys.

Speak Your Mind (track16)
http://www.mediafire.com/?vmfzmsgymgh

Crazy word play.
Lyrically this guy is insane.

I Liked rap when it first came out. Then it got old fast since there is no originality in style for most rappers.

Too many of them don't actually create music, just rip off the work of some other artist, then loop a sound to a beat and some practically mumble.

Too many lazy rappers, who can't think about any other lyrics other then cussing...

All of them rip off one another, just like they do music from other artists. It's recycle this, and recycle that. It's not only stingy, but plain idiotic and insulting to listeners...

Which brings me to the crappy messages in rap video. I can respect stories of the ghetto, hell I live in one, but not people who twist it to glamorize a criminal lifestyle... especially when it's been done to death.

Constantly showcases whores, sluts, and pimps in videos... what the hell? I applaud rappers who have the guts to do something original in both videos and Lyrics.

Hate how rappers dress like Gimps. Also sick of Gangsta wannabes in both rap and real life. Also hate the fashion they helped create, and the morons they influenced. I don't need to walk everyday down my street with some ugly douchebag giving me a grin with some fake gold teeth and saggy pants barely above his knees.

Rap and Rappers who are overshadowed by the same retarded and recycled material from above then others who are more original can't make it because they wont lower their standards. These are the guys who talk about religion, god, politics, family, society, and don't need to say cuss words because they put thought into lyrics and music. The guys who don't throw sex appeal and a tired fad at you and promote the dumbing down of society and creative thinking. These are the guys who actually give a damn about what they talk about in their music.

For me to enjoy rap again I need the fol owing:

Creative thinking and constructive outputs in their work

Originality in subject matter

Talent in not just rap but Musical skills

an image that isn't for the retarded or criminal admirers

rappers who can reverse the effects of malfunctioning wardrobes they created... dress stylish and successful

rappers who don't rely on looking like a thug to sell albums

Rappers who actually give damn about their rap, subject matter, and listeners

rappers who don't need to curse out profanities because they can't think of any other rhymes.

rappers who encourage people to do good instead of bad

rappers who can actualy perform a range of talent beyond just rap. Seriously, if MC Hammer were more talented outside of rap and with other forms of music, he wouldn't of ended up like he did.

V Guyver, i think you just summed up my feelings about rap exactly.

V Guyver,

Hmm. I see a lot generalizations and obvious ignorance in your post.



Creative thinking and constructive outputs in their work


Wow, I could name an endless amount of artists from our age doing that. Let's see. I'll start with the artists that are more mainstream. The Roots can almost always put out a solid album with a definitive concept behind it. Black Thought is as well one of the greatest performers in the genre. Outkast also drop memorable releases. Every one of their albums has a different feel to it whether it is bridging genres or not. Timbaland is a fairly innovative producer...especially for mainstream standards. Busdriver has constantly been pushing the envelope. Maybe you heard one of his songs ("Imaginary Places") in Tony Hawk Underground (which seems to usually have good hip hop artists within their games). Fear of a Black Tangent is a solid album from Busdriver. Sage Francis; from winning poetry Slams to winning hip hop battles and to merely having a unique style. I suggest his release, A Healthy Distrust. Saul Williams; I wouldn't necessarily call him a hip hop artist (he's much more than that) but he definitely has elements of hip hop in his music. Anything by him. Solillaquists of Sound. An MC, a producer (who doesn't just loop but plays all of the drums digitally while composing in the traditional sense), a singer, and a poet. Blockhead; he acquires samples, chops them up, puts them in a certain key, and makes it sound amazing. He usually has 10+ samples per song .DJ Shadow, Rza, DJ Premier, Pete Rock, RJD2, Omega One also do the same process of production. They don't just loop like you said all these hip hop artists do.



Originality in subject matter


Just mentioned that.



Talent in not just rap but Musical skills


Um, don't know what you mean there...Composition? Ability to sing?



an image that isn't for the retarded or criminal admirers


Again, already mentioned that.



rappers who can reverse the effects of malfunctioning wardrobes they created... dress stylish and successful


Don't know what that has to do with anything...



rappers who don't rely on looking like a thug to sell albums


Again...



Rappers who actually give damn about their rap, subject matter, and listeners


This is getting old....

Anyways, the rest isn't worth it. Be informed before you make rash generalizations about an entire genre.

Rash Generalizations about the entire genre? Think about it, how many of these guys are household names? Maybe to a black community, but not many others. Look at 50 cent (Who's not even worth the monetary value his illiterare name implies), he's a household name, he's half assed, and yet more popular then some of these more creative rappers. I've completely cut myself off from rap in early 1999, so call me stupid or ignorant (Or "ignant" like some rappers say) for not keeping up with the few guys that actually manage to be different.

When I said musical skills, I meant both. I'd like to see compositions that are unique and original, not just some beats ripped off the theme from Night Rider, then remixed and edited. Also, it would be nice if more rappers could actually sing and not just rap. Perhaps I'm not being fair with the singing part, but it would certainly be a interesting sound for a rapper to use such a skill in conjunction with singing.

My point in that their malfunction wardrobes have given good rappers in the industry a bad image that they are expected to follow. Why the hell does a rapper have to dress and look butt ugly as a thug. Couldn't they rap with a different style, a more socially modest fashion. Heck, at this point I wouldn't mind a Rapper dressed in something other then criminal wear. Hell, at this point I wouldn't mind seeing a rapper dance in a tutu if it means I don't have to look at some crooked baseball cap, countless fake bling, and underpants sticking out like advertisement boards for Haynes underwear.

Rappers who rely on their looks as a thug to sell their albums... how more simple can I get. Do I have to spell it out? Look, it's tired, it's generic, it's insulting to my intelligence to believe they are hardcore gangsta's. I don't care what the rap industry has to do to break away from that stereotype, I don't care if they have to be visited by Queer Eye for a Straight Guy, or even traditional Dutch clothing being forced on them. I want a change in imagery -_-0

And yes it is indeed getting old with rappers who don't care about what they rap about. Remember when rap wasn't about making a quick buck and exploiting on a gangsta trend? When they used to have meaning in rap for social ills? Look, maybe I'm not one to speak anymore, I stopped listening even though I'm in the ghetto. But you know what? I'd rather listen to my friends rap like Fluid and Urn. They aren't the best rappers, but they sure as hell keep it real in Newark's crime ridden streets and don't fall into some tired trend, they just rap about the life around them, and don't try to gain some generic stereotypical image.

If you must still consider me some guy stereotyping rap then remember that I didn't create the stereotype, the rap industry did. My tastes just don't suite it anymore and it's why I rarely listen to it at all. If it weren't for my friends I'd of given it up entirely by now. I can't stand the industry that much right now.

The only music that I can't stand listening to more then rap now is the Portuguese music my mom listens too. But that's because she loves the corny romantic/religious material.

It wasn't that until that rapper at the BET awards started chanting "Obama or Die" that went from just not liking mainstream rap to hating the rappers and their repetitive crap. Now Inde rappers I have more a little more respect for, mainly because I'm a pretty big Inde fan.

Lemme see if I can find that clip.... HERE (http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=119313)

"It's been a great year for black people as a whole."

In his own words...

It doesn't seem that this err... division of the black community cares about the politics just that Obama's black, well half black.

Poor dude.......

Just...

Lol is all i have to say.

It wasn't that until that rapper at the BET awards started chanting "Obama or Die" that went from just not liking mainstream rap to hating the rappers and their repetitive crap. Now Inde rappers I have more a little more respect for, mainly because I'm a pretty big Inde fan.

Lemme see if I can find that clip.... HERE (http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=119313)

"It's been a great year for black people as a whole."

In his own words...

It doesn't seem that this err... division of the black community cares about the politics just that Obama's black, well half black.

What the does that have to do with Rap music as a whole. And Newsflash: White people chant for Obama too.

IMO: I don't like mainstream rap music, because if focuses on the negative aspect of the genre. But I'm not some ignorant hater who would blindly label all rap music the same. There are still great artist who may not always be in the cameras, but are very popular with the people that love the genre.

Im black myself & I hate most of the stuff they got out now. I prefer to listen to 90's real rap but if I was to tell that to my friend at school he'll say something negative about it. I like the following rappers.

Tupac
Biggie
Snoop Dogg-When he was with Death Row
Dr Dre-When he was with Death Row
Bone Thugs-Back when they had good music
And a few others.

It isn't just the artists but producers, label owners, record execs..ect.ect. are milking hip-hop for all it's worth. For mainstream rap it's not about what an artist has to say, but what he has to say that will sell.

There are still good artists out there and even the others have more to say it's just that you have to catch it on a mixtape or net release as it will rarely make it to the radio. Radio stations basically make their own top 10 and recycle the same tracks until they become popular.

A damn shame that so many artists in the beginning fought to be heard and now hardly anyone has anything to say since the money gives them tunnel vision.

Rash Generalizations about the entire genre? Think about it, how many of these guys are household names? Maybe to a black community, but not many others. Look at 50 cent (Who's not even worth the monetary value his illiterare name implies), he's a household name, he's half assed, and yet more popular then some of these more creative rappers. I've completely cut myself off from rap in early 1999, so call me stupid or ignorant (Or "ignant" like some rappers say) for not keeping up with the few guys that actually manage to be different.


yes, rash generalizations. No, these artists are not household names but by you saying "i'm sick of all these hip hop artists displaying negative images." Well, I just showed you a handful of artists doing the opposite of everything you have listed. You won't reach any level of truth by generalizing. and Actually underground/"indie" hip hop isn't listened to by merely a black audience. If you go to a rather known underground hop hop artist's show (such as Atmosphere, Busdriver, Aesop Rock, or Sage Francis), you will see more of a white audience, but i don't see why that even matters. ha, the "few" that happen to be different. The names I listed were just a small percentage of artists that NOW exhibit creativity in their work...

Atmosphere, Aesop Rock, Immortal Technique, Danger Mouse (of Gnarls Barkely and also helped with Gorillaz second album), Blackalicious, Mos Def, El-P, Blue Sky Black Death, Secede, Roosevelt Franklin, DJ Krush, Herbaliser, Coldcut, Alias, Sole, Dose One (Now part of Subtle), Qwel, Fat Jon, Giant Panda, Del The Funkee Homosapien (The MC in Gorillaz's song, "Clint Eastwood"), Dan The Automator (Helped with production on Gorillaz's first album), Zion I, Lifesavas, Edan, Lyrics Born, Cut Chemist (former DJ of Jurassic 5), Kid Koala, Madlib, Nujabes, Common, Buck 65, Reanimator, Prefuse 73, Daedalus, Paris Zax, Y Society, Jel, Eyedea, DJ Abilities, Anti-Pop Consortium, Beastie Boys, Brother Ali, Darc Mind, Louis Logic, Aceyalone, Hangar 18, Heiruspecs, Tonedeff, Kno, Icon The Mic King, Illogic, Truth Maze, Agents of Change, El Guante, Idris Goodwin, Portishead, Seemore Perspective, Diagram Of Truth (Shameless self promotion!), Glue, X:144 & SPS, Opus, P.O.S., Sixtoo, Strange Fruit Project, Supernatural (one of the best freestyle MC's), JUICE (one of the best freestyle MC's), X-Ecutioners, Bernard Dolan, KRS-One are just a few more artists...

And I know I've said this at least a few more times around this forum but how many different artists are people seeing on the TV or on the radio? It's the same shit across the country. Most big radio stations in big cities have a contract with labels to play the label's artists, so you're going to be hearing the same shit wherever you go. I know one hit wonder rappers on the TV are a dime a dozen nowadays and people will be seeing another carbon copy of the label's previous artist, but the underground outweighs the mainstream in quality AND obviously quantity. So why complain so much about the negativity in hip hop and not pursue the positivity that is thriving? The more you give attention to something, the more it will grow. Even if it's bad promotion. Shit, George Bush won the election and with so many people bad mouthing him before he won the election too..Well, no surprise. The more you give attention the more it will thrive or grow. Anyways, getting off topic.



When I said musical skills, I meant both. I'd like to see compositions that are unique and original, not just some beats ripped off the theme from Night Rider, then remixed and edited. Also, it would be nice if more rappers could actually sing and not just rap. Perhaps I'm not being fair with the singing part, but it would certainly be a interesting sound for a rapper to use such a skill in conjunction with singing.


Well if you're looking for sample-free beat makers..DiViNCi of Solillaquists of Sound has a good amount of sample-free traditionally composed pieces of music especially on Solillaquists of Sound's newest album, As If We Existed. Speaking of SOS..Alexandrah has quite the beautiful voice and most of the time does sing while having concrete lyrics behind her voice. But back to traditionally composed pieces. Ant (of Atmosphere) composed all the beats on Atmosphere's new When Life Gives You Gold, You Paint That Shit Gold. I don't think I heard one sample and looking here at Discogs about album credits, it doesn't sound like there is any samples. Alias has recently spoken about how he has stopped using samples. He has made multiple beats for Sage Francis. Though not all the beats he has made for Sage have had no samples, but "Clickety Clack," "Midgets & Giants," "Keep Moving," "Sea Lion," and "Escape Artist" by Sage Francis all do not contain samples. All of which are very freaking solid. Alias also has a CD with singer, Tasier, entitled Brookland / Oaklyn. X:144 has a handful of traditionally composed pieces on X:144 and SPS's latest release, M.E.. Saul Williams also sings. "Wine," "Fearless," "Surrender (A Second to Think)," "Control Feak," "No One Ever Does," and "Sunday Bloody Sunday." Like I have mentioned in the past on here, sampling is an art form. Check turntablism or this video by Kid Koala...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KbFIGFv4GLQ

Check out Shadow...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAZVoXzEoDM&NR=1

and all of Blockhead's full lengths (Music by Cavelight, Downtown Science, and Uncle Tony's Coloring Book are quite memorable. Andrew 3000 (from Outkast) has a pretty good voice as explored through Outkast's release, Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. oh and Cee-Lo (currently of Gnarls Barkley) can obviously sind. There are so many more artists out there to look for. You just have to.



My point in that their malfunction wardrobes have given good rappers in the industry a bad image that they are expected to follow. Why the hell does a rapper have to dress and look butt ugly as a thug. Couldn't they rap with a different style, a more socially modest fashion. Heck, at this point I wouldn't mind a Rapper dressed in something other then criminal wear. Hell, at this point I wouldn't mind seeing a rapper dance in a tutu if it means I don't have to look at some crooked baseball cap, countless fake bling, and underpants sticking out like advertisement boards for Haynes underwear.

Rappers who rely on their looks as a thug to sell their albums... how more simple can I get. Do I have to spell it out? Look, it's tired, it's generic, it's insulting to my intelligence to believe they are hardcore gangsta's. I don't care what the rap industry has to do to break away from that stereotype, I don't care if they have to be visited by Queer Eye for a Straight Guy, or even traditional Dutch clothing being forced on them. I want a change in imagery -_-0


Well, how about Andree 3000? or Saul Williams? or Buck 65? or Slug or Ant from Atmosphere? Puff Daddy (No, I am not quite fond of his music)?..Look, there are plenty of hip hop artists physically displaying the image you seek for.



If you must still consider me some guy stereotyping rap then remember that I didn't create the stereotype, the rap industry did. My tastes just don't suite it anymore and it's why I rarely listen to it at all. If it weren't for my friends I'd of given it up entirely by now. I can't stand the industry that much right now.

so being ignorant enough to abide by stereotypes is fine? regardless of the fact that not ALL or even MOST hip hop artists nowadays do not talk about the subject matter you suggest they do?

withope, good post. hopefully that one will end this thread once and for all, for anyone who keeps complaining about the the same generalizations over and over and over again about hip hop. maybe i should make a thread about how all rock music talks about is wanting to commit suicide because he found his cheating girlfriend messing around with his best friend, or worshipping the devil. but why won't i? because i know better, that there's more to that genre than what i've stated. yet somehow, i bet you guys are okay with the fact that there was a sample used in sublime's "doin' time (summertime)". if you don't like hip hop, that's cool. but don't sit up and talk about how much you DON"T like the genre for certain stereotypes that run rampant in it, even after there are examples given of artists that prove to be more diverse than the current trends.

most of the names (if not all) you can search on youtube. and when you do, please let this thread die.

here are a few more names (even tho i already named these a couple pages back):

N*E*R*D- Run to the Sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM6jkEoQx1g)

Lupe Fiaco- Gold Watch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIwH1ZceHEk)
Lupe Fiasco- And He Gets the Girl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS_BYIzWN7w) (uses a sample of N*E*R*D- Maybe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSR6UP9866c)

Kanye West ft Chris Martin- Homecoming (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMqPoFPHz-o)
Kanye West- Everything I Am (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTdXfxUuiS8) (listen to the whole song)

Madvillain- ALL CAPS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzAxWPQaNlg)

MURS & 9th Wonder- Murray's Revenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcsDYVnsFw)

Little Brother- Speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx5YJK4BocY)

Hopefully if you listen to the above artists, it'll change your opinion somewhat about the genre.

Hated? Thats all I hear around here. Why? I beleve it to like rock music once was. If some says they didn't get in to rock'n'roll for the sex, they lie. I listened to Cypress Hill back in the day.

musical prefrance: goth, metal, techno, trance, jpop, jrock, jtrance.

I hate rap music because it makes all NORMAL black people look very bad in the eyes of everyone else. Plus they say the same shit over & over again.

For example: I smoke weed all day, I'm roolin' on 20s or dubs, I fucked this bitch, I fucked that bitch, West Side mutha fucka!!!, East Side mutha fucka!!!, ghost ride the whip (WTF?) SKeet Skeet Skeet (I actually like that, that shit's funny. Just don't know what it means), Do the soulja boy (FUCK SOULJA BOY!!!!!) fuck the police, I got shot by this N****, I whupped this N***** ass & fucked his woman right in front of him. ETC ETC ETC!!!

I hate RAP MUSIC!!!!! *Clears throat* Didn't mean to rant that much.

I hate rap music because it makes all NORMAL black people look very bad in the eyes of everyone else. Plus they say the same shit over & over again.

For example: I smoke weed all day, I'm roolin' on 20s or dubs, I fucked this bitch, I fucked that bitch, West Side mutha fucka!!!, East Side mutha fucka!!!, ghost ride the whip (WTF?) SKeet Skeet Skeet (I actually like that, that shit's funny. Just don't know what it means), Do the soulja boy (FUCK SOULJA BOY!!!!!) fuck the police, I got shot by this N****, I whupped this N***** ass & fucked his woman right in front of him. ETC ETC ETC!!!

I hate RAP MUSIC!!!!! *Clears throat* Didn't mean to rant that much.

aka rap makes people racially generalize people :rolleyes:. Rap cannot make anyone anymore racist then they already are.

SKeet Skeet Skeet

Mmm... not gonna explain that one someone else do it.:eggsweat:

aka rap makes people racially generalize people :rolleyes:. Rap cannot make anyone anymore racist then they already are.

quoted.

I think the initial movement of rap was good, Public Enemy, and even NWA (i don't really know any other rap artists or groups). But by the way I understand it, that was when the audience for rap wasn't as large as it is now, it was more underground. Plus, the adolescents living in the projects didn't have a style of music that addressed their problems (ie being beaten or racially profiled by the police, living in poverty, etc). So I guess I'm saying that modern rap began as music that advocated rebellion against oppression.

Now, however, rich record companies have shifted the focus of rap songs. Another way I'll say it is, and I'll be very clear on this: the whites have made rap less about seriously questioning the oppression of blacks by whites, which is really what rap was about in the beginning. Now rap is seen as joke-music, something to poke fun at, because no one can take it seriously anymore. And this is because record companies have made rap artists famous if they sing about jerking off on titties and riding on shiney rims.

This is, I think, why people hate rap music now: it's mainstream. By commercializing something that used to be a threat, rich whites have secured their place on top by eliminating something that could have sparked serious awareness and backlashes against inequality in America. Of course, one could argue, "Heyheyhey, look, black people have the same civil rights as whites, that's what the whole movement in the 50's and 60's was about!" To that, I'm going to quote Chris Rock, who, in my opinion, put it very well: "Black people can be rich. But only white people can be wealthy. Sure, Shaq is rich. But not as rich as the white guy who signs his check!"

Anyway, I'm gonna get off this tangent, and end with this: I'm not going to say rap music sucks because it's the same re-hashed garbage. I'm not going to say it sucks because it's degrading to women, or is "pro-men," because there is certainly too much rap that goes, "I love you baby, ohh, I wanna touch you, I wanna hold you, till the sun goes down," etc., so that's not a good reason. But I will say this: Rap music was good because it gave a new generation of under-priveleged people an identity. However, now that identity has been skewed by marketing to keep past inequalities in place, by opening it up to a wider ethnic range, and by, ultimately, ridiculing the entire genre of rap because of the often really stupid things they say in songs currently, which is a damn shame.

Beautiful Olde. Seriously, just beautiful. I agree completely.

I hate rap music because it makes all NORMAL black people look very bad in the eyes of everyone else. Plus they say the same shit over & over again.

For example: I smoke weed all day, I'm roolin' on 20s or dubs, I fucked this bitch, I fucked that bitch, West Side mutha fucka!!!, East Side mutha fucka!!!, ghost ride the whip (WTF?) SKeet Skeet Skeet (I actually like that, that shit's funny. Just don't know what it means), Do the soulja boy (FUCK SOULJA BOY!!!!!) fuck the police, I got shot by this N****, I whupped this N***** ass & fucked his woman right in front of him. ETC ETC ETC!!!

I hate RAP MUSIC!!!!! *Clears throat* Didn't mean to rant that much.


i can see people only post in here to read their own posts. i just gave you perfectly good examples of hip hop artists that DON"T always talk about those things.

and for you not to understand the reason for "f*ck the police", then you've never been racially profiled or harrassed by the police. so i know exactly what to think about your opinion on rap music.

To each his own.

To each his/her own. (sorry ladies)

RAP HUMILIATES WOMEN IN A PRONOUN WAY

Dear Bus Driver,

Busdriver is a true nig. Thank you for reminding me.

Love,

Meme

To add on, Oh Zing has a valid point. There is a documentary about how MTV uses young people to create a type of character that can connect to everybody. The same has been done to hip hop culture. It used to be underground, but once mainstream got a hold of it, it became a type of character. It's funny to watch some suburban kids talk about bling and being a pimp, when the origins of this type of culture is undermined, ignored or all around negatively accepted. Understanding hip-hop requires looking back on it's origins and who is it mainly targeted at and influenced by. However, far be it from me to tell people to like something or not like something. I do recommend Googling the documentary sometime and take a more in depth look at the culture in which it pertains to, just as some would for Japanese culture and the anime/manga. Every culture has positives and negatives, and can inspire people from even the opposite side of the tracks. Open mindeness is the key to understanding, acceptance wisdom, and freedom.

These are good post! It is nice to see people voice their opinion, no matter how broad, because it can allow us to reflect within ourselves and each other and want to learn about things outside our boundaries. As they say on the beginning of MK3 "There is no knowledge that is not power". (I'm sure other people have said it, but that's where I first saw it) (lol)

There's very few rap songs I would listen to (I can count them with half of one of my hands). I just get tired of hearing about shooting up niggers and slapping hoes all the time, along with the same repetitive beat that seems to loop ever 5 seconds. But that's just me; I prefer metal over anything (especially because real instruments are involved in making the music, not a keyboard that can imitate the sounds of other instruments).

There's very few rap songs I would listen to (I can count them with half of one of my hands). I just get tired of hearing about shooting up niggers and slapping hoes all the time, along with the same repetitive beat that seems to loop ever 5 seconds. But that's just me; I prefer metal over anything (especially because real instruments are involved in making the music, not a keyboard that can imitate the sounds of other instruments).

If I were to stereotype Metal, I could say I only listen to a few metal songs, but I get tired of the same senseless screaming about complete nonsense like Satan and embracing the darkside. I could also say that those so-called musicians that use real instruments are not talented, they just make a bunch of loud noise with the senseless screaming. Real musicians don't play metal music.

I won't say that however, because I'm not ignorant enough to label a whole genre the same, because of BS commercialism. It's a shame other people aren't so open-minded.

Ignorance is bliss isnt it....

Just say you hate the culture and people that produce hip/hop rap and call it a day. No one single solitary post or reply has fortified your argument against hiphop.

There's the ups and downs in both genres but to fairly compare you'd need to know 2 bands from each end and genre inside out and compare that way, I can't remember decent rappers but I know Tupac was respected as a rap messiah amongst you gangsta people, now throw in something from the metal spectrum or even rock too, just exemplifying here, not being serious... Ozzy?
Ozzy vs Tupac, compare their ups, downs, strengths weaknesses then try to determine why they're loved and hated, what they've achieved.
Of course its a question of why is rap hated and not Rap v metal.

So, that fails.

There's the ups and downs in both genres but to fairly compare you'd need to know 2 bands from each end and genre inside out and compare that way, I can't remember decent rappers but I know Tupac was respected as a rap messiah amongst you gangsta people, now throw in something from the metal spectrum or even rock too, just exemplifying here, not being serious... Ozzy?
Ozzy vs Tupac, compare their ups, downs, strengths weaknesses then try to determine why they're loved and hated, what they've achieved.
Of course its a question of why is rap hated and not Rap v metal.

So, that fails.

Just who are the Gangsta people? Are you talking about the Mafia, Corrupted Governments? Drug Lords who ship drugs into the country? Illegal Gun Dealers? Murders? Rapists? Pedophiles?

I hope so, because you're definitely not talking about people who like to listen to rap music. Those people are just ordinary citizens who like a certain genre of music. You fail for making such a stupid statement. Also many people try to argue against Rap by using Metal as an example. Therefore in a debate it's fair game. Don't get mad because Metal, and Rock can just as easily get stereotyped like Rap music does. The enlighten thinks before they speak, the ignorant just mouths off pure silliness like a lot of this stereotyped posts on this thread.

the gangsta people was just a silly poke at the stereotype label associated with the rap/hip hop genre.

all seeing eye, it's pointless to keep arguing with these folks. they'd rather just plug their ears and run their mouths.

they complain about the sex, drugs, and violence in rap's lyrics, but don't these same vices exist in video games and anime? but you don't hear me though (that's hip hop slang for "my words fall upon deaf ears")

ah mainstream rap is just isnt as good

and of course its influencing the kids out there, dont hate rap, the good ones dont appear on TV as much and old skool raps are much better

Dark still has a good point. I can't tell you how many anime I've seen where the girls are busty and the boys have bodies of body builders, even though those characters probably don't work out. I like anime, but it would be interesting to see some MAIN characters with bodies that aren't perfect. I'm sure there are, but I hardly hear of them. I guess that's just the type of society we live in.

The only rap I really listen to is the old school stuff. Like Run DMC, Kurtis Blow, Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five and Afrika Bambaataa & The Soulsonic Force.

all seeing eye, it's pointless to keep arguing with these folks. they'd rather just plug their ears and run their mouths.

they complain about the sex, drugs, and violence in rap's lyrics, but don't these same vices exist in video games and anime? but you don't hear me though (that's hip hop slang for "my words fall upon deaf ears")

Here's the problem in that statement: people take the messages and the lifestyle in rap music too far, and it propagates a culture and lifestyle of underachievement, laziness and crime. The music is also easier to get hold of - it's on the radio all the time. Even if you're dead broke, you can get radio and TV. Not everyone has the money to go and buy anime and a 360 or PS3 or whatever.

RETARDS ATTEMPTING POETRY (RAP)

AND IT ISN'T MUSIC

RETARDS ATTEMPTING POETRY (RAP)

AND IT ISN'T MUSIC

Thank you for that insightful contribution. You are a credit to your species. Everyone here has made a general statement and backed it up with whatever misguided opinion they have but you, oh no you're too smart for opinions. You're too smart to put any time or thought into making a logical argument. I'm assuming you're an assface because it seems that's where the shit comes out. As far as retards go you are the biggest one I've seen. Even a 4 year old child will back up there pure ignorance with a sublimely horrible interpretation, but you have been mentally stunted to the mental capacity of an infant. I could go on forever on how stupid you are, how shitty your opinion is, and the fact that you're an even bigger retard that those you accuse of being a retard. You obviously have shitty taste, and you are so narrow-minded any persuasive argument I would use would just go through your ass. And I don't feel like anal-raping knowledge upon any retards anymore. In closing you suck, you are a disgrace to the human race, I'd be surprised if your family isn't of the same caliber of stupidity as you are. Also fuck you, have a horrible day, here's wishing you die painfully so that the average human IQ may have a chance. Please go die now.

There's very few rap songs I would listen to (I can count them with half of one of my hands). I just get tired of hearing about shooting up niggers and slapping hoes all the time, along with the same repetitive beat that seems to loop ever 5 seconds. But that's just me; I prefer metal over anything (especially because real instruments are involved in making the music, not a keyboard that can imitate the sounds of other instruments).

Not gonna get into a big argument with you. You atleast had the common sense to support your theory. Your theory is not fact. Kanye West went to college and is skilled in writing music, if you listen to his songs you can hear instruments. I've got an ear for classical so I can notice most instruments pretty fast. Also I don't see how using a synthesizer or keyboard negates the composition of "music". What do you think Musicians do? Just touch an instrument and music flows through? They hear a melody in their head they touch the keys/strings play multiple sounds until they recreate the melody to the best of their ability if they can write music then they'll write it down. The synthesizer does the same thing if you combine a rhythm, a melody and lyrics you have music there, my friend. Also time and time again people mass generalize the lyrics, not everybody talks about killing, whores, money and so forth. You want to make an informed decision try lookin for some positive rap, It's not hard to find.

yes, rash generalizations. No, these artists are not household names but by you saying "i'm sick of all these hip hop artists displaying negative images." Well, I just showed you a handful of artists doing the opposite of everything you have listed. You won't reach any level of truth by generalizing. and Actually underground/"indie" hip hop isn't listened to by merely a black audience. If you go to a rather known underground hop hop artist's show (such as Atmosphere, Busdriver, Aesop Rock, or Sage Francis), you will see more of a white audience, but i don't see why that even matters. ha, the "few" that happen to be different. The names I listed were just a small percentage of artists that NOW exhibit creativity in their work...[QUOTE] But isn't that the problem though? I no longer go around listening to rap, because of the mainstream crap? How am I going to go through all the generic crap to listen to some of these guys? I lost my love for rap, you didn't, which is why you can appreciate and find all these little gems. You can only listen to so much before you start to tune everything out.

[QUOTE=Withope;1100707]And I know I've said this at least a few more times around this forum but how many different artists are people seeing on the TV or on the radio? It's the same shit across the country. Most big radio stations in big cities have a contract with labels to play the label's artists, so you're going to be hearing the same shit wherever you go. I know one hit wonder rappers on the TV are a dime a dozen nowadays and people will be seeing another carbon copy of the label's previous artist, but the underground outweighs the mainstream in quality AND obviously quantity. So why complain so much about the negativity in hip hop and not pursue the positivity that is thriving? The more you give attention to something, the more it will grow. Even if it's bad promotion. Shit, George Bush won the election and with so many people bad mouthing him before he won the election too..Well, no surprise. The more you give attention the more it will thrive or grow. Anyways, getting off topic. That's true, and probably the biggest reason rap got so big in the first place, and eventualy led to it's mainstream downfall. Oh and not to mention my displeasure with the industry as a result. So my dislike of rap stems more from companies pormoting all the bad crap and leaving all the talented diverse guys hidden under the rubbish. Makes sense to me, though I have to admit it's partialy my fault too for practicly cutting myself off from most rap I came across later on. Now all I listen to is the gospel rap from the local Evengelical Church my mom goes to.



Check turntablism or this video by Kid Koala...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KbFIGFv4GLQ

Check out Shadow...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAZVoXzEoDM&NR=1

and all of Blockhead's full lengths (Music by Cavelight, Downtown Science, and Uncle Tony's Coloring Book are quite memorable. Andrew 3000 (from Outkast) has a pretty good voice as explored through Outkast's release, Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. oh and Cee-Lo (currently of Gnarls Barkley) can obviously sind. There are so many more artists out there to look for. You just have to.

I have to admit, much more likable then the mainstream stuff that's been thrown at us. This may actualy make me reconsider how I listen to it if I decide putting down money a CD from one of the artists you mentioned.



Well, how about Andree 3000? or Saul Williams? or Buck 65? or Slug or Ant from Atmosphere? Puff Daddy (No, I am not quite fond of his music)?..Look, there are plenty of hip hop artists physically displaying the image you seek for.[/qoute] These guys are few in number though, well it's to be expected considering the image most associated with rap. Which is why I probably wont see many on my local area dressed up even half as decent as those artists. Though some still dress a bit weird for my tastes like Andree but anything is better then rap mainstream's huchi mamma fashion and gold tooched grins I see on so many rap album covers & Magazine covers. Yeah Puff Daddy does have style and one of the bigger names that doesn't dress like a gimp. What I can't appreciate in his music he at least presents a Fashion style even I envy at times.


[QUOTE=Withope;1100707]so being ignorant enough to abide by stereotypes is fine? regardless of the fact that not ALL or even MOST hip hop artists nowadays do not talk about the subject matter you suggest they do?
I admit I am ignorant about rap these days, afterall, my intrest in it has been dead for a while. But I feel insulted to be told that I follow a stereotype when I don't.I never followed this stereotype, nor did ever say it was what rap was to core, it's what it's presented as a whole. No reason why I shouldn't point out that flaw in rap as the reason I hate it. No the stereotype is what the rap industry headed into and drove me away from the genra. I'm trying to point out that this is the image that is conveyed and forced upon us in the media. Like I said, it's WHY I left rap behind for the most part. I know there aren't people fitting that rediculouse stereotype because I know guys who definately don't fit into it. The one true thing I'm ignorant about is the mostly none mainstream and indi rappers out there because I stopped listening to rap as a whole.

My Beef is with the rap industry for the most part and the rappers who are mainstream. The consistant problems I layed out beforehand are the core of the issues in the mainstream that most people whine about. If the rappers and studio's that do reach the top charts are usualy the ones promoting these negeative images and the media constantly covering these things, thus purpetualy contributing to the image and problem, then my faults with the rap industry can be considered correct (at least to some degree on many points even if you disagree with me) because it's the music reaching the majority of the listeners.

I admire you're love for rap man, and I wish I could do the same, but it's relaly killed my intrest and love for it. You CAN blame me for my dislike of rap for not actiavely searching for some artist I can like, but it really did reach a point in the industry that I couldn't stomach listening to it anymore and swore it off. The rap industry is pretty much in fault of my intolerence for it as well as it's own stereotypes. This is the first time I've talked about rap in years, and that gives you an idea of either how ignorant I am, or how low the industry has reached, you can redicule me for it if you like, it's just how I feel about it now.

@Olde

Love you're post, wish you could throw in Chris rocks point about Car Rims and not helping a community. But you are right on about how it's been twisted by the heads of these companies. Yes, these rappers have their own lables, but they usualy still have to go under the wing of another company owned by some guy or company with ties to fortune 500 companies (and in turn white people)

I have to give props to you Withope for pointing out all the good things about rap, but it's going to be a while before anything changes enough for me to appreciate the finer things about rap for casual listeners. Sort of like Rock an hiphop, takes a while before you can find a artists that truely fits your tastes despite the mainstream. Difference is that although I can tolerate much of the music, rap repulses me too easily now (So much negativity :() before I could ever get to that point.

@DarkStill Good point about that. Games are lobbied against because of violence. Movies and TV for lack of imperfection. Anime for lack of differention in character builds and personalities (how many leads have been good hearted men bordering on retardation? I lost count... and rap for it's mainstream message and image of sex, drugs, and violence. Thing is many of us can find the faults in all of these things, but how many of us actualy care not to listen/watch what we redicule? Or prevent our children from expereincing it? Fact is that for many of us it's too entertaining.

So what it boils down to in the end is that guys like me, who loved rap as a kid just got tired of the front the media and artists held it up to. People want to hate me because I can't stand rap, go ahead. I don't expect everyone to like Yngwie Malmsteen's Music either.

Sorry about double post and errors with the post.... long story short... my internet lately has been hell. it's even threw a wrench in my plans to pay bills and even donate here. :(

I don't have any bling!

rap music is hated beacuse of the amount of sexism and racism found in it.

That's it, I'm going to listen to rap music just to spite this thread.

Its hated because this thread will not die.

haha, funny post Jeff. And it's nice to see more open minded individuals.

But anyways.


But isn't that the problem though? I no longer go around listening to rap, because of the mainstream crap? How am I going to go through all the generic crap to listen to some of these guys? I lost my love for rap, you didn't, which is why you can appreciate and find all these little gems. You can only listen to so much before you start to tune everything out.

That's true, and probably the biggest reason rap got so big in the first place, and eventualy led to it's mainstream downfall. Oh and not to mention my displeasure with the industry as a result. So my dislike of rap stems more from companies pormoting all the bad crap and leaving all the talented diverse guys hidden under the rubbish. Makes sense to me, though I have to admit it's partialy my fault too for practicly cutting myself off from most rap I came across later on. Now all I listen to is the gospel rap from the local Evengelical Church my mom goes to.

I suppose so, but like you said the industry, corporations, labels, etc. have watered down creativity so bad that yes it does make it more challenging to find anything melodically or poetically memorable. Look in other genres where the individuals are popular (besides maybe Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine, NIN). Are a majority of their songs memorable? Aren't some of these songs just a carbon copy of another? Aren't some of these bands riding the current trend? It is hard to find creativity through a mainstream outlet. I honestly believe corporations want to keep you stupid, keep you uninformed, and gradually drain your brain through monotony. Most of the songs you hear on the radio aren't memorable. They might be catchy and they can stick in your head if it's drilled into your head, but I'm confident in the fact that "I'm on that grey goose, do i know you?" repeated 64 times doesn't serve any longlasting beauty behind it (it'll be out of your brain in a month). It's a shame that children and individuals have to turn on television and find for the most part SHIT. But I guess the best thing to do is turn off the TV. Most of it is fairly negative to me (besides some shows like Hereos or a few comedy shows). The media blows everything out of proportion and highlights negative aspects of society to only reiterate those negative aspects. and the fact that they incorporate celebrity lifestyles into media coverage over coverage of the war or genocide in Darfur or genocide in Uganda is simply sad. For the most part, mainstream outlets portray a negative image. Like Jeff said it's really not that hard to find positive rap. Hell, if you are truly interested I will make you a MP3 mix of what I consider good hip hop songs.


I have to admit, much more likable then the mainstream stuff that's been thrown at us. This may actualy make me reconsider how I listen to it if I decide putting down money a CD from one of the artists you mentioned.

That's good to hear. If you do decide to purchase a CD, I would suggest picking up DJ Shadow's Entroducing.



These guys are few in number though, well it's to be expected considering the image most associated with rap. Which is why I probably wont see many on my local area dressed up even half as decent as those artists. Though some still dress a bit weird for my tastes like Andree but anything is better then rap mainstream's huchi mamma fashion and gold tooched grins I see on so many rap album covers & Magazine covers. Yeah Puff Daddy does have style and one of the bigger names that doesn't dress like a gimp. What I can't appreciate in his music he at least presents a Fashion style even I envy at times.


I see, I see. To be honest, I don't care too much about fashion style. I guess to each their own.



I admit I am ignorant about rap these days, afterall, my intrest in it has been dead for a while. But I feel insulted to be told that I follow a stereotype when I don't.I never followed this stereotype, nor did ever say it was what rap was to core, it's what it's presented as a whole. No reason why I shouldn't point out that flaw in rap as the reason I hate it. No the stereotype is what the rap industry headed into and drove me away from the genra. I'm trying to point out that this is the image that is conveyed and forced upon us in the media. Like I said, it's WHY I left rap behind for the most part. I know there aren't people fitting that rediculouse stereotype because I know guys who definately don't fit into it. The one true thing I'm ignorant about is the mostly none mainstream and indi rappers out there because I stopped listening to rap as a whole.


Well, from what i gathered from your posts it seemed as if you were saying that MOST/ALL hip hop/rap talks about that same crap when in reality most rappers do not. For me, I'm never going to totally disregard a genre due to some bad songs I heard from it.



My Beef is with the rap industry for the most part and the rappers who are mainstream. The consistant problems I layed out beforehand are the core of the issues in the mainstream that most people whine about. If the rappers and studio's that do reach the top charts are usualy the ones promoting these negeative images and the media constantly covering these things, thus purpetualy contributing to the image and problem, then my faults with the rap industry can be considered correct (at least to some degree on many points even if you disagree with me) because it's the music reaching the majority of the listeners.


Well, yes I have a problem with corporations/labels/puppets displaying a negative image to the majority of the country. But again, if the majority of the hip hop/rap you see on the television or hear on the radio is bad, why not search for artists that display positive or progressive lyrics? When people get so caught up with negative aspects especially when it is popular it only makes it grow.



I admire you're love for rap man, and I wish I could do the same, but it's relaly killed my intrest and love for it. You CAN blame me for my dislike of rap for not actiavely searching for some artist I can like, but it really did reach a point in the industry that I couldn't stomach listening to it anymore and swore it off. The rap industry is pretty much in fault of my intolerence for it as well as it's own stereotypes. This is the first time I've talked about rap in years, and that gives you an idea of either how ignorant I am, or how low the industry has reached, you can redicule me for it if you like, it's just how I feel about it now.


Thank you. Yes, mainstream hip hop has pretty much been taken over by the corporations that own it, therefore it becomes a business and usually displays very little signs of creativity. I don't feel like I should ridicule you, but I guess I would say become more informed about these artists (if you're interested).



I have to give props to you Withope for pointing out all the good things about rap, but it's going to be a while before anything changes enough for me to appreciate the finer things about rap for casual listeners. Sort of like Rock an hiphop, takes a while before you can find a artists that truely fits your tastes despite the mainstream. Difference is that although I can tolerate much of the music, rap repulses me too easily now (So much negativity :() before I could ever get to that point.


again, I could make you a MP3 mix of some underground/indie artists that are NOW putting out some memorable work.

Just listen to D�lek or some neat Anticon artists imo.

I dio like rap music from time to time... although, I am annoyed with cocky twats who make "rap with a message." Sorry folk, Tupac is dead, so you can stop sucking right now. I like my rap to have humour in it. And i believe that Wu Tang Clan is the pinnacle that rap is gonna get. I also like MC Chris, who is a nerdcore master.

There are other guys i like who are a bit more serious in there music, but don't suck shit. Aesop Rock, and Buck 65 are examples of this. So yeah, I hate most rappers, but not the genre. Because there are godlike artists in the genre.

Rap & hip hop has been whored out by the media just like "punk" and "metal", giving it a bad name hell I blame MTV.


Good Hip Hop:
Wu Tang Clan, Gravediggaz (Too Poetic RIP), Mr.Lyf, The Perceptionists, Company Flow, Psycho Realm, Abstract Rude, Living Legends, Souls Of Mischief, Grand Puba & Brand Nubian, Swollen Members, Dilated Peoples, A tribe called quest, Das EFX, special ed, main source

and so on

Good Rap:
Big L (RIP), BG knocc out & gangsta dresta, brotha lynch hung, mc eiht & comptons most wanted, madd circle, cypress hill, Above The Law, Smif N Wesson

and so on




- Yes There is a Difference between hip hop and rap, yet sometimes it gets blended
- you cannot hate hip hop, rap yes, but hip hop is such a broad view of ideals you can only hate the artist, not the genre.



Yes I am A Big Hip Hop head and like old school rap with a few exceptions, but no I like thrash metal, real punk and old school rock aswell.

So I'm not being biased.

I hate rap music because they (rap "artists") abandoned the guitar.

And because most rap songs consist of shouting or talking as opposed to actually singing.

But, given that, I can't stand most Rock music, either.

Even so, I can stand to listen to rap a lot sooner than I can listen to any of that shit country music.

I'm not defending rap, just attacking your weak argument.

So your stating that you hate any music which doesnt have a guitar in it?

Also, in much of the rap in my collection, the music is played with actual instruments.

Just listen to D�lek or some neat Anticon artists imo.
I saw DALEK live when they opened for MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO.

I saw them this summer, they did a set together with Zu. ^^ It was superb! I need to listen more to this noise-hop~

RETARDS ATTEMPTING POETRY (RAP)

AND IT ISN'T MUSIC

If I had a nickel I heard someone used this "term" online, I would have about $1 worth of nickels. It's a good thing I will never hear that "term" in real life.

This is the "term" that only people who have no knowledge of rap music use to sound cool to the millions of rap bashers on and offline who don't want anyone telling them that they are completely retarded to bash any type of music that you don't understand...

If you don't like rap music, that's fine, just don't use "acronyms" to make it seem like you're really smart and that you are making a valid point. Either that, or shut the fuck up altogether...

I think people for the most part are concerned about the current influences of RAP. (Like Ie; Images, drugs, gang, violence.)

Here are good examples:

#1 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/natchitoches-la/TGI96EGHUQF214FTA)


#2 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/natchitoches-la/TGI96EGHUQF214FTA)

Rap=Crap/ Hip-Pop made to satisfy the main stream of america and futher fuck up black people psychology as it is the only image of black people show in the media

Hip-Hop=Grimy shit that has a message that was primarily meant to connect with other black youth in America in the 1980's as there was little to no representation of black people on media at that time. Also hip-hop tends to have more of a narrative too it.

The Reason(s) I hate Rap music:

1. Pretty much takes a huge defication on all hip-hop that was done in the
past.

2. Renforces AND perpetuates the negative stereotypes of blacks in america thus keeping them into black america's state today by supporting a notion of thug life and that poverty,crime,drugs and a lack of education as a part of our culture.

3. Its obvious Obsession with materialism( I wont go into this anymore or else i'll go on a rant about capitalism.)

4. Its more repetitive and dumb that Epic Trance and that shit truly sucks.

5. And it allows a good number of suburban middle class white people try to identify themselfs as part of that shitty Culture.

Here's the problem in that statement: people take the messages and the lifestyle in rap music too far, and it propagates a culture and lifestyle of underachievement, laziness and crime. The music is also easier to get hold of - it's on the radio all the time. Even if you're dead broke, you can get radio and TV. Not everyone has the money to go and buy anime and a 360 or PS3 or whatever.

but everyone (at least from the 90's generation) has had a quarter or two to play mortal kombat enough times to see all the fatalities. plus there are movies that propogate even worse violence whether it be campy or satirical (grindhouse; pulp fiction; terminator [but after killing numerous people on film, arnold gets to be a governor]). most hip hop relfects on those trials and tribulations of the ghetto introspectively, but you won't hear them most of the time. but people like yourself don't wanna hear them; you'd rather sit and complain about what's wrong with rap music.

but did those kids listen to rap music when they shot up columbine? no. they were watching basketball diaries and were inspired by the scene where dicaprio's character shoots up his class.

did misogyny begin with rap music? HEEEELLLLLL NAW!!! women have been looked at as sex objects way before rap was even thought of.

did gangbanging begin from rap music? fuck no. there were gangs before crips and bloods (holla @ your organized crime being done by all other minorities who would push the harshes drugs into black neighborhoods). if anything, a portion of hip hop music is dedicated to that aesthetic. but not all. which makes that a relfection of life. and what does that? art.

For me, I hate (c)rap because it isn't music. I am a musician; I play the guitar, and I play the piano; my whole family plays music and so it's kind of in my blood. So I know what I'm talking about.

That, and the fact that they personify everything I hate about modern, decadent society.

All rap is, is some loud mouthed idiot shouting about how he's going to take some drugs, sell some drugs, murder someone, beat up his 'bitch' (they have no respect for women whatsoever), drive round in his stupid, oversized, diamond encrusted SUV, and then 'blast some fools' with his 'nine'. They can't sing; it isn't musical, and in the background all there is are stupid sound effects and perhaps some idiot banging his mindless forehead on a drum, and if you're lucky, punching a synthesiser. Trust me; these so called ‘artists’ have no musical talent. I know that some of you may say ‘oh, but Mr I Am So Great Big Up The Pimped Out Massive has actual musical notes in his work’; yes, some rap pieces have musical undertones beneath the shouting, but every time I’ve had the misfortune of hearing them, it’s some tune ripped out of a proper song and played on a loop ad nauseum. Most rap performer’s heads would implode at the very concept of a treble clef.

Absolute tripe. Then again, now I think of it, so is most modern muzak. None of it is music.

Phew... rant over...

For me, I hate (c)rap because it isn't music. I am a musician; I play the guitar, and I play the piano; my whole family plays music and so it's kind of in my blood. So I know what I'm talking about.

Previously in history, people have said that (in no particular order) Jazz wasn't music, Blues wasn't music, Big Band wasn't music, Rock wasn't music, Country wasn't music, R&B wasn't music, Pop wasn't music, Alternative wasn't music, etc.

Music is a form of self expression that aestically pleases one's ears. If it does that it is music. If you don't like it, it doesn't make it any less music than whatever you listen to because the next man could say the same thing about what you listen to.


All rap is, is some loud mouthed idiot shouting about how he's going to take some drugs, sell some drugs, murder someone, beat up his 'bitch' (they have no respect for women whatsoever), drive round in his stupid, oversized, diamond encrusted SUV, and then 'blast some fools' with his 'nine'. They can't sing; it isn't musical, and in the background all there is are stupid sound effects and perhaps some idiot banging his mindless forehead on a drum, and if you're lucky, punching a synthesiser. Trust me; these so called ‘artists’ have no musical talent. I know that some of you may say ‘oh, but Mr I Am So Great Big Up The Pimped Out Massive has actual musical notes in his work’; yes, some rap pieces have musical undertones beneath the shouting, but every time I’ve had the misfortune of hearing them, it’s some tune ripped out of a proper song and played on a loop ad nauseum. Most rap performer’s heads would implode at the very concept of a treble clef.

Wrong. Will Smith has never talked about drugs and killing people. Blackstar have talked about positivity, Heavy D talked about everyday stuff, and hell Kanye, despite his arrogance talks about insecurities.

You only generalize because you hear what the "Mainstream" wants you to hear. If you go below the surface, you'll find music with soulful, meaningful lyrics. For example, The Last Emperor - One Life is one of the most heartfelt songs I've ever heard. You'll never hear this song on the radio/TRL/mainstram BS. So before you generalize Hip-Hop as talentless, dig deeper, you'll find acts full of talent and that play their own instruments/make their own beats. Hell, if you want a more "mainstream" artist that does this (rap, play instruments) Look at The Roots or DJ Quik. The Roots are a LIVE Hip-Hop band that compose/play their own music, and DJ Quik producers his own music via live instrumentation. Just check out one of his Rhythmtism albums.

And to say that rappers have no talent is just stupid. To bash the genre of Hip-Hop is ignorant as well, and to say it's a dumb genre, etc etc is just ignorant. I can make stupid generazations and stereotypical comments about the music you like, and I'm sure you'll try and prove me wrong.

And before you come at me, I listen to many genres of music, from Jazz, Classical, Funk, Soul, some rock, etc. And I could generalize for whatever music you listen to as "talentless hacks" But I won't because I respect people's taste in music, and believe that every genre has good pieces of music, that I probably haven't heard. So take a good listen and dig deeper, you'll find some good music within the artform of Hip-Hop.

I KNOW WHY ITS HATED!!

cos its crap.

Ya..those silly naggers can't even speak english, fucking rich bastards

bWAHAHAHA that fool said RETARDS ATTEMPTING POETRY R-A-P LMAO

Listen to the Guru, Big L, Kool Keith, Intelligent Hoodlum rap with meaning

Apparently, I am apparently not into rap music (in a result of major bad influences).=) However [in my point of view (or opinion, rather)], not all rap music is bad.O:] There are some good kinds of rap music that I wouldn't mind listen to (such as: gospel rap, old school hip hop/rap, & educational rap).O:] =) Now, about MC Hammer's music, I wouldn't mind listening to his music all day & doesn't get tired of it.=) O:] His music is something like happy rap in an old~school and/or gospel~like way.=) O:] :loldata: Due to my particular response to this specific thread as my opinion, the reason that why rap music (especially the modern one; like today's rap music) is hated so much is because there's no kind of positivity in it, it's totally degrading others, it's allowing the listeners to make themselves look like fools, it shows the sign of low/very low class behavior, & it just make things seem worse as time passes by.:takethat: :loldata: :kirbywalk: :kirbyfly:

Now, about MC Hammer's music, I wouldn't mind listening to his music all day & doesn't get tired of it.=) O:] [/COLOR][/B]

AMEN!

hmmmmmmmmmmmm i really like Dizzee Rascal and Tupac,
so i cant say i hate rap

hmmmmmmmmmmmm i really like Dizzee Rascal and Tupac,
so i cant say i hate rap

Have a cookie.

For clarification... "rap music" is just music with rapping in it. There is a ton of music like that. saying "rap music" is like saying "singing music", both of which completely make sense when opposed to other types of music. Of course, "singing music" shouldn't be confused with "song music".

Anyways. I don't listen to much rap music, but one of my favorite albums ever is Transitions by Arts the Beatdoctor, and there's lots of rap on that. I also like Tricky and Massive Attack, both of whom feature rapping in their music though it's hip-hop music per se, which I hope I can assume is what we're referring to here.

In other news, some music I like is hip-hop and dance influenced but does not have rapping in it. Stuff like Sia, Portishead, Nitin Sawhney, and Burial.

So, I'm saying that to claim rap music is hated is not exactly correct because "rap music" is a very broad term. it might be understood to mean "hip hop music" but that also is very broad and does not always have rapping in it. An alternative to using those titles might be something like "mainstream hip-hop", which I'm assuming is what you're talking about since you refer to lyrics.

I would take rap music over some high pitch anime bitch screaming in octaves that only rats can hear blocks down the street.

Because, rap music, if played at the right time, gets you laid.

Girls don't want to get into your car and hear Gackt or Ayumi. Ever.

That shit don't fly.

I would take rap music over some high pitch anime bitch screaming in octaves that only rats can hear blocks down the street.

Because, rap music, if played at the right time, gets you laid.

Girls don't want to get into your car and hear Gackt or Ayumi. Ever.

That shit don't fly.


HA HA great answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think he is on to something Like Chris Rock said

" whatever music you were listening to when you first got laid your going to love that music for the rest of your life"

But seriously i think it comes down to perception of rap . every person that listens to rap music isn't shooting people or dealing drugs. I also think that people look at it as "black music" so they are automatically turned off which is B.S ( because they don't hang out with different people they just stay in their circle of friends) And the stuff that is out today isn't really hardcore rap it is more commercial hip-hop. But i don't really have a problem with people who at least tried it(and didn't like it ) it's not for everybody i can respect that. but people who have never listen to it are always the ones who are complaining about it.

RETARDS ATTEMPTING POETRY (RAP)

AND IT ISN'T MUSIC

your a twat

Wow, this thread is still going.

I have to admit that rap doesn't really appeal to my taste of complex chord structures, polyphony, shifting key signatures & scales and changing time signatures. The subject matter isn't something that I can relate to either. However, that does not mean that the entire genre is defunct, it's still music ; Every genre has its fair share of garbage.

As for those who hate the genre because of the new artists churning out garbage after uncreative garbage propagating the same criminal scumbag image, take a look at this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6gD_CwF5YM).

Hating on a music genre is shortsighted specially when talking about rap. If you hate on rap you obviously listend to that 50cent crap on MTV but that shit aint real.

There is some good underground stuff out there with lyrics beyond drugs, fucking and fucking niggaz... If you are incapable of listening to it don't blame the genre, blame yourself.

I don't 'hate' rap, but I certainly don't like it either, it's really not my thing. I prefer melody and rich harmony in music, NOT words. And rap is 99% about words, it carries it's messages through them, not melodies.
Don't get me wrong, many times I like to hear human voice in the song! But, well... I like it to be more melodic and usually non-lyrical (is that even a word?).

People hate rap because they need something to hate.

I would take rap music over some high pitch anime bitch screaming in octaves that only rats can hear blocks down the street.

Because, rap music, if played at the right time, gets you laid.

Girls don't want to get into your car and hear Gackt or Ayumi. Ever.

That shit don't fly.

CO-FUCKIN'-SIGN!!! that's like this dude that i was kicking it with had the second theme from bleach on repeat in his ride, and wonders why he can't get any girls.

Coincidentally, the first theme for Bleach was a popular J-rap track. So if he had played the first theme he would have better luck with women?

Coincidentally, the first theme for Bleach was a popular J-rap track. So if he had played the first theme he would have better luck with women?

maybe if it were a popular song on maistream radio, tho ironically, bumping souls of mischief "93 til infinity" probably won't get you laid unless your date is a backpacker chick.

People hate rap because they need something to hate.

Not even close.

paypal wholesale Adidas (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale air force one (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale air jordans(paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale air max(paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Air Max Tn(paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale ARMANI (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Bape (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale boot (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Burberry max (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Chanel (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Christan Audiger shoes (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Clarks (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Coach shoes (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale COURT FORCE (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale converse (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale D&G shoes (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Dior shoes (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale D&G shoes (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale dsq shoes (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Dsquared (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Dunk (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Air Max Tn(paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale ARMANI (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Bape (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale boot (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) paypal wholesale Burberry max (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Evisu (paypal accept)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap evisu hoodies (paypal accept)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap evisu jeans (paypal accept)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap evisu shirt (paypal accept)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap evisu scanties (paypal accept)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap sneakers (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Adidas (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap air force one (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap air jordans(paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap air max(paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Air Max Tn(paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Armani (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Bape (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap boot (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Burberry max (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Chanel (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Christan Audiger (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Clarks (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Coach (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Court Force(paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap converse (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap D&G (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Dior (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap D&G (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap dsq (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Dsquared (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Dunk (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap ED hardy (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Evisu (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Goodyear (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Gucci (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Greedy Genius (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap gucci (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Hogan (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Htm (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com) cheap Ice Cream (paypal payment)(http://www.atitrade.com)

BANNED

Wow, this thread is still going.

I have to admit that rap doesn't really appeal to my taste of complex chord structures, polyphony, shifting key signatures & scales and changing time signatures. The subject matter isn't something that I can relate to either. However, that does not mean that the entire genre is defunct, it's still music ; Every genre has its fair share of garbage.

As for those who hate the genre because of the new artists churning out garbage after uncreative garbage propagating the same criminal scumbag image, take a look at this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6gD_CwF5YM).

in the whole genre of hip hop there isn't one song you could relate to? somehow i doubt that. anyway, that is true about the sugar hill gang. because for the most part, the artists popping up on the radio nowadays really are a clone of these guys. some label signs talent lacking artists, throws them on TV, 3 months pass, and the artists disappear. for christ's sake these guys' name were Sugar Hill Gang...the name of the label they were on (Sugar Hill Records). they were just promotion tools. Some of the lyrics from this old song were even taken from Grandmaster Caz.

it's funny that you accentuate the negativity of rap/hip hop music. here is a song of the same era from artists with talent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kRuJhIVIo&feature=related

in the whole genre of hip hop there isn't one song you could relate to? somehow i doubt that. anyway, that is true about the sugar hill gang. because for the most part, the artists popping up on the radio nowadays really are a clone of these guys. some label signs talent lacking artists, throws them on TV, 3 months pass, and the artists disappear. for christ's sake these guys' name were Sugar Hill Gang...the name of the label they were on (Sugar Hill Records). they were just promotion tools. Some of the lyrics from this old song were even taken from Grandmaster Caz.

it's funny that you accentuate the negativity of rap/hip hop music. here is a song of the same era from artists with talent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kRuJhIVIo&feature=related


what's funny about the video you posted is that they were also on sugar hill records.

i'm aware of this fact..but they weren't tools. they exhibited creativity in their rhymes, went on to make a name for them selves, and gain respect...unlike the sugar hill gang.

i'm aware of this fact..but they weren't tools. they exhibited creativity in their rhymes, went on to make a name for them selves, and gain respect...unlike the sugar hill gang.

please. if no one respected the sugar hill gang, why have they been honored in the hip hop community just as much as the furious five? the only one[s] that really stand out in furious five is grandmaster flash and melly mel.

people always ready to downplay the party portion of any genre, but truth be told, the party-starters is what makes everyone take notice to it. before rock became synonymous with heavy metal and/or grunge, it was party music. artists like chuck berry, ray charles, little richard, and even elvis, made music people can dance to. incorporated later into the music was more introspective songs, and from that introspective artists within the genre.

People hate it because other people hate it.

Mostly people who hates rap is people who dont have a personal opinion or dont know how appreciate music.

Im a incredible Electronic\Alt-Metal\Industrial music fan, also I love rap, NOT ALL rap songs, but Im really selective with my music.

So people, stop being immature and use your damn brain for once.

"I hate it because it is repetitive" FUCK! What the hell are you doing here? MOSTLY games ost are repetitive genius!

"I hate it because its lyrics" well, its like I hate "Superman" because he CAN FLY! Rap is oriented to those kind of message.

"I hate it because it don't have guitar riffs" well, how much video games ost have riffs?

"I hate it because it talks about sex, drugs and say insults" OK, I have an idea... LETS HATE SLIPKNOT! cool, right? or Korn, or Rammstein, Sum41, American head Shot.

"I hate it because it have no sense" I bet you make less right now.

"Because is boring" well, then classical music is crap, right? Jesus, how I didn't see Beethoven is an idiot! thanks!

Im not saying classical music is boring, is just that is not that kind of music I could play at a rave party, and I need a example for mostly people here who just have half brain (or even less).

"Because is don't have a beat punch that makes me move" ... Im sure this kind of people are 8.


Well, as you can see, you are a bunch of idiots (mostly of you).
Thanks once again to make me know the hope to have a intelligent conversation is gone.

yes! I hate most rap songs, but I dont HATE THE GENRE!, so stfu and try to be less hypocritical next time.

i encourage everyone with anything to say, good or bad, about rap/hip hop to watch this documentary about jay z's first album reasonable doubt:

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhtDw00522430zGGK9

It doesn't matter what you're playing in your car... I pity the guys who feel like it's up to their music to impress a lady. Be yourself or get to steppin, ladies dig that.

please. if no one respected the sugar hill gang, why have they been honored in the hip hop community just as much as the furious five? the only one[s] that really stand out in furious five is grandmaster flash and melly mel.

people always ready to downplay the party portion of any genre, but truth be told, the party-starters is what makes everyone take notice to it. before rock became synonymous with heavy metal and/or grunge, it was party music. artists like chuck berry, ray charles, little richard, and even elvis, made music people can dance to. incorporated later into the music was more introspective songs, and from that introspective artists within the genre.

i suppose i meant respected by the hip hop community and other hip hop artists (especially the ones at the time). Honored by who? VH1? They supplied the hip hop community with the first hip hop hit, and put hip hop onto mainstream america. I give them props for that. But that's all they did. A record label found some cats with very little talent, gave them a mic, and they made a hip hop hit. They are known because of that and that alone. Congrats. Anyone could have done that. Again, they were tools.

i think you missed my point. where was i downplaying the party portion of any genre? Hip hop came from a party. It evolved from a DJ (DJ Kool Herc) spinning tracks and breaks accentuating drums and bass to keep the people on the dance floor. Eventually MCing got involved into the routine because Kool Herc needed someone (Coke La Rock) to host and act as the MC for him. I'm aware of the fact that hip hop came from a party...Anyways, 90% of Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five tracks you can dance to. And most of the time, they still had a message behind their track. I'm not ready to downplay any party track. I'm ready to downplay derogatory, lazy, and lack of thought-provoking lyrics.

i suppose i meant respected by the hip hop community and other hip hop artists (especially the ones at the time). Honored by who? VH1? They supplied the hip hop community with the first hip hop hit, and put hip hop onto mainstream america. I give them props for that. But that's all they did. A record label found some cats with very little talent, gave them a mic, and they made a hip hop hit. They are known because of that and that alone. Congrats. Anyone could have done that. Again, they were tools.

i think you missed my point. where was i downplaying the party portion of any genre? Hip hop came from a party. It evolved from a DJ (DJ Kool Herc) spinning tracks and breaks accentuating drums and bass to keep the people on the dance floor. Eventually MCing got involved into the routine because Kool Herc needed someone (Coke La Rock) to host and act as the MC for him. I'm aware of the fact that hip hop came from a party...Anyways, 90% of Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five tracks you can dance to. And most of the time, they still had a message behind their track. I'm not ready to downplay any party track. I'm ready to downplay derogatory, lazy, and lack of thought-provoking lyrics.

tools or not, they were still a catalyst for the movement. if their success didn't fall through, the message probably wouldn'tve even been recorded. most people wouldn't even know the genre existed.

tools or not, they were still a catalyst for the movement. if their success didn't fall through, the message probably wouldn'tve even been recorded. most people wouldn't even know the genre existed.

Fair enough. Again, I give them props for that.

Just listen to D�lek or some neat Anticon artists imo.

Oversaturation, plain and simple. There's too much stuff that sounds the same. The issue with any genre of music is that there's SO much of it. Above and beyond that, exposure is a product of just how marketable an artist or a group is perceived to be by businessmen. Unfortunately, that means pandering to trends, and that means you get carbon copies of artists. Dozens of them.

Trentlington points out a great artist, Dalek, who is totally unmarketable to mainstream audiences, despite the fact that he spits so well with great lyrics and hooks from drone metal and other really stark sounding music.

Um...hello, by the way. :P

Really, it's pretty fucking obvious why rap is hated

Really, it's pretty fucking obvious why rap is hated

actually i don't think rap is hated by the majority of young people it may not be for everybody but i like it. it is what i was raised on as a kid back in the 90's and this generation of rap music out today is tame in comparison to how it used to be i call this the happy rap era..

there are always going to be people who hate it because it is "black music" which I find funny because i hear white people and others bumpin it just as much as me but hey i cant do anything about them so if you hate it that's fine by me if you don't understand it talk to people who know and find out

for me to say that i hate something means a desire for the annihilation of an object that is incurable by time

so i really don't hate anything or anyone

so if you cant open your mind to other music than your little anime music or your rock music or your country or rap for that matter than you will just hate things that are different from you and miss parts of peoples culture and miss different music that the world has to offer.

actually i don't think rap is hated by the majority of young people it may not be for everybody but i like it. it is what i was raised on as a kid back in the 90's and this generation of rap music out today is tame in comparison to how it used to be i call this the happy rap era..

there are always going to be people who hate it because it is "black music" which I find funny because i hear white people and others bumpin it just as much as me but hey i cant do anything about them so if you hate it that's fine by me if you don't understand it talk to people who know and find out

for me to say that i hate something means a desire for the annihilation of an object that is incurable by time

so i really don't hate anything or anyone

so if you cant open your mind to other music than your little anime music or your rock music or your country or rap for that matter than you will just hate things that are different from you and miss parts of peoples culture and miss different music that the world has to offer.

Post wins the thread.

Let's see.

Oh, they degrade women.

Yeah, I'm not a feminist or anything. But to think that every woman in the world is a "hoe"? Please. No.

And the reason why they're in the music videos are because they get paid.

I love foreign rap and punk rap, but american rap is mainly retarded beats that replay themselves and lyrics fit of a felon.

And, seriously, it's my opinion. You can like whatever you want, but I personally hate most rap.

That is because you are funking retarded.

Seriously, it's my opinion. You can think whatever you want, but I personally think you are retarded.

Let's see.

Oh, they degrade women.

Yeah, I'm not a feminist or anything. But to think that every woman in the world is a "hoe"? Please. No.



Well, if you go to a club and you see certain ladies that want money, that want to something, because those individuals would always want something from the other person. That is why they call them a hoe. There are tons of Rap songs that don't degrade women. If a person can't look pass the lyrics and hooks or the meanings of it. Then do it for the beats.

so if you cant open your mind to other music than your little anime music or your rock music or your country or rap for that matter than you will just hate things that are different from you and miss parts of peoples culture and miss different music that the world has to offer.

Agreed

I totally get laid with my Great Teacher Onizuka OST, son.

actually i don't think rap is hated by the majority of young people it may not be for everybody but i like it. it is what i was raised on as a kid back in the 90's and this generation of rap music out today is tame in comparison to how it used to be i call this the happy rap era..

there are always going to be people who hate it because it is "black music" which I find funny because i hear white people and others bumpin it just as much as me but hey i cant do anything about them so if you hate it that's fine by me if you don't understand it talk to people who know and find out

for me to say that i hate something means a desire for the annihilation of an object that is incurable by time

so i really don't hate anything or anyone

so if you cant open your mind to other music than your little anime music or your rock music or your country or rap for that matter than you will just hate things that are different from you and miss parts of peoples culture and miss different music that the world has to offer.

QFT.

I totally get laid with my Great Teacher Onizuka OST, son.

You know, you're right; and I would be remissed if I didn't correct myself: there are girls that love cock and they will take it any way they can get it -- no matter what genre of music is playing in the background.

But everyone who has participated in this discussion should acknowledge, that by subscribing to this forum, you are part of a sub-set of society in your area, a demographic.

This demographic is less interested in listening to rap; whereas, if you were to post a thread, say at bet.com, with the same thread-title, you would quickly learn that rap is not hated.

And, I don't remember who it was, but the person that implicated that rap was sexist because of the recurrent usage of the word "ho" is just silly.

This demographic is less interested in listening to rap; whereas, if you were to post a thread, say at bet.com, with the same thread-title, you would quickly learn that rap is not hated.

Haha yeah, BET and Final Fantasy, the difference is huge!

actually i don't think rap is hated by the majority of young people it may not be for everybody but i like it. it is what i was raised on as a kid back in the 90's and this generation of rap music out today is tame in comparison to how it used to be i call this the happy rap era..

there are always going to be people who hate it because it is "black music" which I find funny because i hear white people and others bumpin it just as much as me but hey i cant do anything about them so if you hate it that's fine by me if you don't understand it talk to people who know and find out

for me to say that i hate something means a desire for the annihilation of an object that is incurable by time

so i really don't hate anything or anyone

so if you cant open your mind to other music than your little anime music or your rock music or your country or rap for that matter than you will just hate things that are different from you and miss parts of peoples culture and miss different music that the world has to offer.

Excellent points but...
To me there are types and though I agree with most of what you said
there are some things that I can't agree with. First I believe the 90's were a much more "Happy" era (Think back) and as many said it's not all rap that people hate, just as with any genre there is good and bad ya know? People need to start giving reasons to hate or bash something/somone I always say.
But to answer the OP well:

Heck my answers have already been posted, over 35 pages worth!
But in defense Hip-hip is where it's at. Yes there is good rap and I have quite a collection, peace:)

People hate rap because it sounds retarded.


People hate hip hop because these haters are retarded, not because they think hip hop sounds retarded. Some dislike hip hop for whatever reasons, I don't have any problems with that.

If you go to a black neighbor hood and ask a black guy what type of songs they dont like, You'll probaly find your self in the floor beaten up and robed. In the city is no laughing manner. I say TECHNO> TRANCE> RAVE> ELECTRONICA> PUNK ROCK> SOFT ROCK> but people like differ genre so you'll have to respect their desicion.

HAHA if you ask a black neighbor's hood(of a hoodie, I'm guessing), and ask a black guy, in said hood, you will find yourself INSIDE the floor, beaten up, and he's going to dress you!

Not only am I laughing at your horrible racist conceptions, your grammar is beyond horrid!

Lol, this thread is still going on?

The thing i have against rap is the fact that most of the rap around today, does indeed suck. Rap back when i was younger actually did have a so called beat to it and did indeed have a thing in the background called a Melody. Not to mention their lyrics had more meaning back then and actually rhymed.

Seeing how rap is today i would rather stick my dick in an oven than listen to it. Why do people think of the stereotypical black man when they think of rap? Because that's what a good 90% of them are. All they sing about is the same shit. Grills, Ho's, Cars, Bling, My life sucked in the past bulshit. It's all the same story about the streets and being famous. I think i speak for everyone when i say Join the fucking club. How about we hear the story AFTER all that bullshit? Maybe then i'll actually be slightly interested in rap.

Lol, this thread is still going on?

The thing i have against rap is the fact that most of the rap around today, does indeed suck. Rap back when i was younger actually did have a so called beat to it and did indeed have a thing in the background called a Melody. Not to mention their lyrics had more meaning back then and actually rhymed

*facepalm

Lol, this thread is still going on?

The thing i have against rap is the fact that most of the rap around today, does indeed suck. Rap back when i was younger actually did have a so called beat to it and did indeed have a thing in the background called a Melody. Not to mention their lyrics had more meaning back then and actually rhymed.

Seeing how rap is today i would rather stick my dick in an oven than listen to it. Why do people think of the stereotypical black man when they think of rap? Because that's what a good 90% of them are. All they sing about is the same shit. Grills, Ho's, Cars, Bling, My life sucked in the past bulshit. It's all the same story about the streets and being famous. I think i speak for everyone when i say Join the fucking club. How about we hear the story AFTER all that bullshit? Maybe then i'll actually be slightly interested in rap.
Did you even read this thread? Like... at all? Everyone's said the same thing, and there have been countless debates pertaining to it. Clumping a genre together from what you personally LOOSELY experienced is just ignorant.

Its kind of like saying RPG's suck because theres therse too many wizards, princesses and emo orpahns who end up saving the universe.

If many people are saying it, it's called a majority of opinion Einstein.


Clumping a genre together from what you personally LOOSELY experienced is just ignorant.

*Ahem*

I guess everyone who must hate rap is a blind asshole to you. I lived around two step brother who were straight up fuckin gangster. I lived in New York in my childhood, so i know what the crowd of those people are like. Don't tell me i don't know what rap is like. I had to live in a room right next to their own listening to their bullshit for years. I've heard it. I understand it. I don't like it. That's not being blind, that's an opinion.

I listened to it myself. I just don't like it.

"WE FLY HIGH
NO LIE
YOU KNOW THIIIIS
(BAILING)

FOREIGN RIDES OUTSIDE
ITS LIKE SHOEBIIIIZ
(IN THE BUILDING)"

This is just a sample of some rap lyrics from artists that are around these days. If you can make sense of that randomness then you probably have the power to warp to world 9 in Super Mario Bros as well.

Rap in this day and age has made itself notorious for being repetitive and stereotypical. I was watching a G-unit music video one time and it was obvious it was the last time i ever watched one of their's. But it shows them with all the thug pimp bling and girls shaking their ass AND BLACK PEOPLE STANDING IN A LINE FOR CHICKEN.

I'm not even trying to bullshit you.


Clumping a genre together from what you personally LOOSELY experienced is just ignorant.

But you can do it to me and not know where i come from or why i have my opinion and yet it's ok for you. Brilliant logic, lol.

Now my day in the sun has come, the one chosen
To break up the ice that got the rap world frozen
Speak that slang that'll heat up the game
Now, roll down your window turn the beat up, it bang
... Feelin the breeze
Let the world know they still makin real MC's
So please, make a call, tell your friend, tell the hood
That we back and revenge never sounded so good

Signed, Murs & 9th Wonder.

Saying rap sucks IS clumping a whole genre together. G-Unit hardly represents the entire rap community, also since they have not had a hit single 2005.

I dont particularly care for country music, but i'd never say it sucks. I guess im just grown.

The thing i have against rap is the fact that most of the rap around today.


Seeing how rap is today


Rap in this day and age has made itself notorious for being repetitive and stereotypical.

I swear, it's like i'm talking to chavs who can't read.

i can read perfectly homes, ur last post was about g unit, im not reading the rest or your nonsense.

If many people are saying it, it's called a majority of opinion Einstein.

Sarcasm doesn't make you any more right, it just makes you smug. Wasn't it also the majority opinion that jews were the cancer of Earth, and that All blacks were subservient to all white men? (to their respective regions)I care not for opinion, I only debate fact and fiction. Your claim was false and too grandiose for it's own good.





*Ahem*

I guess everyone who must hate rap is a blind asshole to you. I lived around two step brother who were straight up fuckin gangster. I lived in New York in my childhood, so i know what the crowd of those people are like. Don't tell me i don't know what rap is like. I had to live in a room right next to their own listening to their bullshit for years. I've heard it. I understand it. I don't like it. That's not being blind, that's an opinion.

Rather than assume you know my definition of "blind asshole, it'd go smoother if you asked me what that was. Growing up in NY has nothing to do with the validity of your opinion, I was raised in Brooklyn, NY I fail to see what relevance that has. As for your "gangster as fuck" step brothers, they only perpetuate a stereotype. I listen to rap, am I straight gangster? Fuck no, I respect all that respect me. Music has no influence on me, so generalizing a sub-culture and aligning it with a music genre in itself fails. But you have just proven my point, you only loosely listened to rap, you drifted on what your brothers listened to. Did you ever dig deeper, buy albums, or check out other artists? Nobody is telling you to like it, just don't make such a vague claim due to your opinion. You may have only heard the bastardized version of rap, but you crucify an entire genre?



I listened to it myself. I just don't like it.

"WE FLY HIGH
NO LIE
YOU KNOW THIIIIS
(BAILING)

FOREIGN RIDES OUTSIDE
ITS LIKE SHOEBIIIIZ
(IN THE BUILDING)"

This is just a sample of some rap lyrics from artists that are around these days. If you can make sense of that randomness then you probably have the power to warp to world 9 in Super Mario Bros as well.

1) Jim Jones is a horrible person to cast your view of rap on. He sucks, even by shitty standards.
2) It's "Balling"
3) I understand it, he's an asshole... that doesn't dignify your sweeping generalization though

Want some quality lyrics here:

What becomes of a dream deferred
that never makes it to the world to be seen or heard
Do it breathe? Do it got a heartbeat? Is it alive?
Do it leave,
only to become a star in the sky?
I believe,
no scratch that I know, this ain't my full potential
Only using 10 percent of my mental on instrumentals
But incidentally my, energy heavily
Can he be so ill there ain't no, pill or no remedy
The, maker of memories possess the recipe to your fate
Make no mistake,
there ain't no escapin your destiny
Especially when, 'til death do us part, like wedding rings
I'll be here forever, put that on everything

Talib Kweli- Eardrum- 2007


Rap in this day and age has made itself notorious for being repetitive and stereotypical. I was watching a G-unit music video one time and it was obvious it was the last time i ever watched one of their's. But it shows them with all the thug pimp bling and girls shaking their ass AND BLACK PEOPLE STANDING IN A LINE FOR CHICKEN.

I'm not even trying to bullshit you.
Once again sweeping generalization for the shitty music YOU heard. G-Unit sucks, always has always will.



But you can do it to me and not know where i come from or why i have my opinion and yet it's ok for you. Brilliant logic, lol.
I didn't make a sweeping generalization about you, tell me where I addressed you as ignorant in my post and I'll apologize. I made an arbitrary comment that is true, and you are up in arms. Regardless of where you come from your perception of rap is warped you obviously HAVE only loosely experienced rap. Now that you can say was directed at you. And lol, using misdirected humor as a deterrent, nice argumentative skills.

Sarcasm doesn't make you any more right, it just makes you *A MUG.

Fix'd

Did i use that in the right context brits??

Dear Solis,


Just listen to D�lek or some neat Anticon artists imo.

'cause your typing here really does make me facepalm too. :(

What? =-O Jim Jones is da shit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGt-Wcyhg3o. See, exactly what I'm yapping about. "Hip hop was dead and killa gave me the will", can't get more original than that. BALLIN!

Though, Juelz is better :)

Seriously, I understand the problem. 2pac and biggie said everything there is to say. HOWEVER, it's all about the music, about the beats.

Sarcasm doesn't make you any more right, it just makes you smug. Wasn't it also the majority opinion that jews were the cancer of Earth, and that All blacks were subservient to all white men? (to their respective regions)I care not for opinion, I only debate fact and fiction. Your claim was false and too grandiose for it's own good.


Hey, remember all the countries that didn't think Jews weren't the cancer of the earth and did their damndest to stop it? Not all comparisons work with this one.


Rather than assume you know my definition of "blind asshole, it'd go smoother if you asked me what that was. Growing up in NY has nothing to do with the validity of your opinion, I was raised in Brooklyn, NY I fail to see what relevance that has.

You fail to see all the street scum in that state?


As for your "gangster as fuck" step brothers, they only perpetuate a stereotype. I listen to rap, am I straight gangster? Fuck no, I respect all that respect me. Music has no influence on me, so generalizing a sub-culture and aligning it with a music genre in itself fails.

Buddy. When you watch a whole generation act that way, what do you think? Bingo.


But you have just proven my point, you only loosely listened to rap, you drifted on what your brothers listened to. Did you ever dig deeper, buy albums, or check out other artists? Nobody is telling you to like it, just don't make such a vague claim due to your opinion. You may have only heard the bastardized version of rap, but you crucify an entire genre?


Gorilaz
Public Enemy
Ice Cube

Just a few off the top of my head that i listen to. The only point you've proven at this point is that you like dancing under the unbrella of your own hypocrisy. You like calling on me for making generalizations? Look in the mirror. I call you an idiot for how you act. You're calling things in my life that never even happened. I liked older rap. I don't like it now. Just like i don't like new Rock. I don't know what part of that you can't get through your head.


1) Jim Jones is a horrible person to cast your view of rap on. He sucks, even by shitty standards.
2) It's "Balling"
3) I understand it, he's an asshole... that doesn't dignify your sweeping generalization though


He still exists and he's still an artist. Cry some more about it.


Once again sweeping generalization for the shitty music YOU heard. G-Unit sucks, always has always will.


Once again, way to fail it and read only the first sentence of every post. If you can't deal with an opinion, go crawl under a rock and talk to yourself if you don't like hearing what others have to say about things. If i think the music i heard is shitty, i think it's shitty. Not a person is going to change that about what i think. If i keep hearing one new rap video of the day and another after that keep sucking, what do you think i'll form my opinion about this new genre? Lets sit down and think about that for a few seconds....Ok. There are a FEW gems out there that are still worth a rat's ass for listening to, but as far as I'M concerned.




I didn't make a sweeping generalization about you, tell me where I addressed you as ignorant in my post and I'll apologize.


As for your "gangster as fuck" step brothers, they only perpetuate a stereotype.


you only loosely listened to rap, you drifted on what your brothers listened to.


Did you ever dig deeper, buy albums, or check out other artists? Nobody is telling you to like it, just don't make such a vague claim due to your opinion. You may have only heard the bastardized version of rap, but you crucify an entire genre?

I could go on. I really don't care if you apologize or not. Just so long as you know you're a hypocrite. Don't bark at people if you can't practice what you preach.


I made an arbitrary comment that is true, and you are up in arms. Regardless of where you come from your perception of rap is warped you obviously HAVE only loosely experienced rap. Now that you can say was directed at you. And lol, using misdirected humor as a deterrent, nice argumentative skills.

Of course it's warped. Because i don't like the genre as much as you. It makes so much sense to me now! Thank you! I'm sure i will listen to every band i think sucks now to even it out! I'm sure i'll listen to every teenager now who doesn't think my opinion has merit or thinks they know all the answers.

Look bud. I came here and gave my opinion on why i don't like rap. And if you read the first post, it's pretty much why the thread is here. If you don't like my reasons, well then, it's pretty much irrelavant to me as i couldn't give less of a fuck. If you want to keep crying about it and say how i'm wrong, then go right ahead. You have the right to your opinion and I honestly don't care about it.

Hey, remember all the countries that didn't think Jews weren't the cancer of the earth and did their damndest to stop it? Not all comparisons work with this one. You're taking account the views of the whole world FFS hardly qualifies as comparative to such a diverse community, which was why I said to their respective regions)




You fail to see all the street scum in that state?
Oh no, I don't. But bums, and violent assholes have very little to do with rap music. Just like any other genre of music it isn't exclusionary.



Buddy. When you watch a whole generation act that way, what do you think? Bingo.
My philosophy is there's always a bigger picture, so even as I see the "whole generation" act like shit, I know that is not true, there's a bigger picture.




Gorilaz
Public Enemy
Ice Cube

Just a few off the top of my head that i listen to. The only point you've proven at this point is that you like dancing under the umbrella of your own hypocrisy. You like calling on me for making generalizations? Look in the mirror. I call you an idiot for how you act. You're calling things in my life that never even happened. I liked older rap. I don't like it now. Just like i don't like new Rock. I don't know what part of that you can't get through your head.


YOU ARE STILL GENERALIZING A GENRE. Whether you say only old school is good, that's still mass generalization. And the fact you said "modern rap sucks" and "I'd rather put my dick in an oven than listen to it" pretty much sums up yourself more than I ever could. You posted your inflammatory comment, and are shitting bricks when someone deciphers what you inferred.


He still exists and he's still an artist. Cry some more about it.
LOL wtf does that mean? Nobody sad he was dead, the only point you've proven was mine. You focus on what you hear, and make a sweping generalization. You've yet to prove me wrong.



Once again, way to fail it and read only the first sentence of every post. If you can't deal with an opinion, go crawl under a rock and talk to yourself if you don't like hearing what others have to say about things. If i think the music i heard is shitty, i think it's shitty. Not a person is going to change that about what i think. If i keep hearing one new rap video of the day and another after that keep sucking, what do you think i'll form my opinion about this new genre? Lets sit down and think about that for a few seconds....Ok. There are a FEW gems out there that are still worth a rat's ass for listening to, but as far as I'M concerned.
YOU ARE FULLY ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION. SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS ON GENRES... NOT SO MUCH. You said modern rap is shit, your statement, my rebuttle: you are only generalizing on what you've heard. Your rebuttle consists of going apeshit and talking about how it's your opinion. Opinions are worthless, I can handle opinion, directly insulting something which I find good, I can handle, but expect a thorough debate. Debates consisting of opinion prove nothing in the end, after all what can you prove with an opinion?










I could go on. I really don't care if you apologize or not. Just so long as you know you're a hypocrite. Don't bark at people if you can't practice what you preach.
How am I a hypocrite, I have not generalized a genre because I listened to some songs, thought they were bad, and insulted a whole genre because of it. You did.



Of course it's warped. Because i don't like the genre as much as you. It makes so much sense to me now! Thank you! I'm sure i will listen to every band i think sucks now to even it out! I'm sure i'll listen to every teenager now who doesn't think my opinion has merit or thinks they know all the answers.
1) Nobody has to like rap, I have plenty of friends that don't. Now you on the other hand, didn't say "I don't like rap, it's not for me" you said "Modern rap sucks!" which isn't true, and has no trace of personal opinion. It's just an overbearing exclamatory remark.
2) What bands that you don't like, have NOTHING to do with the fact you made a sweeping claim.
3) Age is irrelevant as well, is this your way of pulling rank?


Look bud. I came here and gave my opinion on why i don't like rap. And if you read the first post, it's pretty much why the thread is here. If you don't like my reasons, well then, it's pretty much irrelavant to me as i couldn't give less of a fuck. If you want to keep crying about it and say how i'm wrong, then go right ahead. You have the right to your opinion and I honestly don't care about it.
Saying that modern rap sucks IS NOT AN OPINION, it's a declarative statement, in which I asked you to prove, and you've done nothing but bitch around the subject. If you would have labeled it an opinion, this could have been avoided.

*Sips tea*

That tea doesn't taste nearly as sweet as victory.

*teabagged

Haha that'd make YOU the losing retard. Retarded or not, I am obviously the more viable retard.

solis, I do hope you're going to actually make some effort into realising there's good modern hip-hop out there instead of making more sad comebacks like that.

It's maybe very idle hope, but ahwell. :p

solis, I do hope you're going to actually make some effort into realising there's good modern hip-hop out there instead of making more sad comebacks like that.

It's maybe very idle hope, but ahwell. :p

word to your motha

solis, I do hope you're going to actually make some effort into realising there's good modern hip-hop out there instead of making more sad comebacks like that.

It's maybe very idle hope, but ahwell. :p


There are a FEW gems out there that are still worth a rat's ass for listening to, as far as I'M concerned.


Like i said before. It's like talking to chavs who can't read...

'Allo me old china - wot say we pop round the Jack. I'll stand you a pig and you can rabbit on about your teapots. We can 'ave some loop and tommy and be off before the dickory hits twelve.

or, to translate

Hello my old mate (china plate) - what do you say we pop around to the bar (Jack Tar). I'll buy you a beer (pig's ear) and you can talk (rabbit and pork) about your kids (teapot lids). We can have some soup (loop de loop) and supper (Tommy Tucker) and be gone before the clock (hickory dickory dock) strikes twelve.

There are a FEW gems out there that are still worth a rat's ass for listening to, as far as I'M concerned.

Even if you said that and I missed it, why are you acting the way you do? Nobody is forcing anything in here, and as far as I've read your replies in this thread, you still seem pretty naive with that you're thinking there are only a good few rap artists out there today. I wouldn't force you to like all rap, like your love for older rap, that's cool and all, but I would like you to realise that the amount of gems is pretty much a lot bigger than you'd think. (even though crappy commercialised hits are always all over the place)


The thing i have against rap is the fact that most of the rap around today, does indeed suck. Rap back when i was younger actually did have a so called beat to it and did indeed have a thing in the background called a Melody. Not to mention their lyrics had more meaning back then and actually rhymed.

Then you're simply listening to the bad majority of rap and hip-hop music. Of course, like I said, there's going to be another commercialised majority that does indeed suck 'cause it pretty much mostly lacks depth.


I guess everyone who must hate rap is a blind asshole to you. I lived around two step brother who were straight up fuckin gangster. I lived in New York in my childhood, so i know what the crowd of those people are like. Don't tell me i don't know what rap is like. I had to live in a room right next to their own listening to their bullshit for years. I've heard it. I understand it. I don't like it. That's not being blind, that's an opinion.

Yet again, that's simply one side of rap which is, kinda unfortunately, the rather low side of gangsta rap. Maybe like you're telling yourself right there, that the first impression you got of rap music in general isn't something positive at all. Impressions do vary and not everyone's the same, so that's not being blind. But it sounds like being a bit closedminded or in the worst case you'd even be holding prejudice if you're not looking besides your own impressions.


The only point you've proven at this point is that you like dancing under the unbrella of your own hypocrisy. You like calling on me for making generalizations? Look in the mirror. I call you an idiot for how you act. You're calling things in my life that never even happened. I liked older rap. I don't like it now. Just like i don't like new Rock. I don't know what part of that you can't get through your head.

And what exactly do you mean with new Rock? There's an incredible amount of awesome modern rock music out there in many shapes and forms; Talking about generalizations, I think you're doing a pretty good job at it yourself!

And I'm far from a chav. :p

Even if you said that and I missed it, why are you acting the way you do? Nobody is forcing anything in here, and as far as I've read your replies in this thread, you still seem pretty naive with that you're thinking there are only a good few rap artists out there today. I wouldn't force you to like all rap, like your love for older rap, that's cool and all, but I would like you to realise that the amount of gems is pretty much a lot bigger than you'd think. (even though crappy commercialised hits are always all over the place)


I'm starting to think that you can't grip the concept of the word opinion or what it implies. I call them gems because they are hard to find under all the bad rap which i could easily call the dirt on top of the gems.


Then you're simply listening to the bad majority of rap and hip-hop music. Of course, like I said, there's going to be another commercialised majority that does indeed suck 'cause it pretty much mostly lacks depth.


I'm sipping soda and listening to Spitting out the Demons by the Gorillaz as we speak. I know what sounds good to me. I just don't like a lot of what's out there today.


Yet again, that's simply one side of rap which is, kinda unfortunately, the rather low side of gangsta rap. Maybe like you're telling yourself right there, that the first impression you got of rap music in general isn't something positive at all. Impressions do vary and not everyone's the same, so that's not being blind. But it sounds like being a bit closedminded or in the worst case you'd even be holding prejudice if you're not looking besides your own impressions.


Actually the first impression of rap music i got when i was a young boy was that it was Kool. Yeah i spelled it with a K. It didn't really have anything to do with it being something that wasn't positive, lawless, or what have you. It was just cool, had a beat and rhythm you could rock your head or just dance to. When i hear most of the rap today i'm hearing a drum machine. Now grant it a lot of rap in my day like to sample sounds and beats from other sounds, but it wasn't NEARLY as repetitive as hearing a drum machine do the same three or four noises or notes for five minutes straight. Not to mention that a lot of lyrics in rap "If not all music" today just fail to catch my attention because it all sings the same old song and dance over and over again.


And what exactly do you mean with new Rock? There's an incredible amount of awesome modern rock music out there in many shapes and forms; Talking about generalizations, I think you're doing a pretty good job at it yourself!

And I'm far from a chav. :p

Indeed there is a fairer amount of good rock out there than there is rap, but that's not saying much. When you're raised the musical genius of Black Sabbath and Pink Floyd it's no wonder that other bands come up short in comparison. But again, a lot of it just doesn't appeal to me since lyrics are re used again and again through out different songs. Hell, i don't know how long Nickel Back is going to keep re using their own guitar riffs in different songs. I even heard a song once where the guitar riff sounded exactly like Kane's theme from WWE. I guess originality is just a rarity in this day and age.

I could name super lots of good contemporary rap artists which really aren't hard to find. Even more when it comes to rock, 'cause it holds such a broad gamma. I could name so much for that too, but idk it seems kinda pointless, well, you make it seem pointless 'cause you are the one that thinks there isn't that much good out there in the first place. :p Ahwell.

If you feel like naming a few feel free to and i'll check the out if i haven't heard them yet.

rap/hip-hop: Sage Francis, Quasimoto, Free The Robots, Warcloud, Dosh, Cage, Promoe, Clipse, Roots Manuva, Combat Wombat, Mars Black, RJD2, Why?, Thavius Beck, etc.

and rock: Mr. Gnome, Deerhunter, Marnie Stern, 65daysofstatic, Silver Daggers, Parts & Labor, Lightning Bolt, Sarandon, A Place To Bury Strangers, No Age, The Locust, Jatun, Hearts of Black Science, etc.

~

Rap is shit, a putrid pile of shit. And its listeners should all be executed.

Rap is shit, a putrid pile of shit. And its listeners should all be executed.

Your mom.

Your mom.

Including you. A bullet in the forehead is the price unintelligent people should have to pay for acting as "protectors" of worthless things.

Rap is shit, a putrid pile of shit. And its listeners should all be executed.


Including you. A bullet in the forehead is the price unintelligent people should have to pay for acting as "protectors" of worthless things.

lol nicely trolled. Now fuck off before you stop being amusing.

Including you. A bullet in the forehead is the price unintelligent people should have to pay for acting as "protectors" of worthless things.

lol lo and behold and here I thought I was the master of condescension. People are free to participate in whatever they want. And it is not your position to deem something "worthless". If anyone could go around naming things "worthless" when they please, everything and everyone would be worthless. As far as "protector" no, I'm not. I just hate to see people make half-assed assertions or just blindly say trivial things with no sort of fact or damn near any opinion to back it. It's just like shooting shit out of your mouth. And who are you to decree the exacting of death upon man? Sounds like a sociopath to me.

And it is not your position to deem something "worthless".

Yes, yes it is.

I see, you are one of sociopaths whose brain cells only exist to attempt to enrage people, and get your eLolz. Personally I like trolls, I have nothing better to do. And your position is only to take penis within the butthole.

I like that word, "enrage".

i bet u like it in the pooper

Rap is shit, a putrid pile of shit. And its listeners should all be executed.
Dude chill out. That can't be truly how you feel?

lol lo and behold and here I thought I was the master of condescension. People are free to participate in whatever they want. And it is not your position to deem something "worthless". If anyone could go around naming things "worthless" when they please, everything and everyone would be worthless. As far as "protector" no, I'm not. I just hate to see people make half-assed assertions or just blindly say trivial things with no sort of fact or damn near any opinion to back it. It's just like shooting shit out of your mouth. And who are you to decree the exacting of death upon man? Sounds like a sociopath to me.
Very well said friend, way to keep respectful *Nods*

Most I would say hate Rap simply due to their surroundings. I'll use myself as an example. I grew up around people who listen mostly to rock and metal. So personally I like those definately a lot more. Though if I ever hear a good tune from Rap...I'll possibly give it another chance. Otherwise I'll stick to what I like best.

Immortal Technique is good shit.

That is all.

i bet u like it in the pooper

Toilet?

Dude chill out. That can't be truly how you feel?

Yes, yes it is.

Thanks for noticing my horrible grammar JEFF. Si puedes leer esto, entonces usted es biling�e. O que utiliz� el traductor de google.

Iam a huge hiphop fan and i understand why people hate rap. Most of the mainstream stuff on MTV, VH1, BET, Radio is complete trash these days. There is good rap out there right now but its just hard to find. Most underground rap artist like Del the funky homosapian, Nas, Immortal technique are good and people just like to judge rap based on what they hear on the radio and see on the TV. Not all rap talks about sex, crime, money and etc.

What i find intresting is that rap fans usually like all type of music or respect others opinion in music while people who hate it just like to bash on it becouse its the cool thing to do.

The thing i have against rap is the fact that most of the rap around today, does indeed suck. Rap back when i was younger actually did have a so called beat to it and did indeed have a thing in the background called a Melody. Not to mention their lyrics had more meaning back then and actually rhymed.

I like to believe hip hop has evolved. Not devolved. I think you need to open your mind, and you also need to be informed before making a post like this. There have been various posts within this thread to inform you how there are in fact NOT shitty hip hop/rap artists out there. Oh, you want melody? here (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=1100707&postcount=814). As I read your later post, it seems as if you do not care for digital/programmed drums. It seems like you like sampled drum breaks. Y Society (http://www.myspace.com/ysociety) has a good showing of drum breaks.



Seeing how rap is today i would rather stick my dick in an oven than listen to it. Why do people think of the stereotypical black man when they think of rap? Because that's what a good 90% of them are. All they sing about is the same shit. Grills, Ho's, Cars, Bling, My life sucked in the past bulshit. It's all the same story about the streets and being famous. I think i speak for everyone when i say Join the fucking club. How about we hear the story AFTER all that bullshit? Maybe then i'll actually be slightly interested in rap.

A good 90% of the rappers are a stereotypical black man and all they sing about is grills, ho's, cars, bling, and how their life sucked in the past bullshit?

Wow. Your ignorance amazes me. Most of the black artists do in fact not fit in that category. I'm sorry you turn on the T.V., see shitty artists, and merely interpret that all those shitty artists encompass what the genre is all about. Here's some advice. TURN OFF THE T.V. The majority of it is controlled and untrue. I'm hardly just talking about hip hop music. And aren't a good majority of songs of any genre (in history) about complaining of the struggles of life? You want to hear a story or songs of artists talking about prevailing in life with a positive mind frame? Okee.

X-144 & SPS (http://www.myspace.com/x144andsps)'s M.E.

Solillaquists of Sound (http://www.myspace.com/solilla)'s As If We Existed

Saul Williams (http://www.myspace.com/saulwilliams)

Idris Goodwin (http://www.myspace.com/kingsforthenight)'s Kings for The Night

Mos Def (http://www.myspace.com/mosdef)

Talib Kweli (http://www.myspace.com/talibkweli)

The Roots (http://www.myspace.com/theroots)

I hope you get the picture...Here's some more artists...

Blackalicious, Lyrics Born, Common, Y Society, Brother Ali, Tonedeff, El Guante, De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, Aesop Rock.

I'm done.

I like to believe hip hop has evolved. Not devolved. I think you need to open your mind, and you also need to be informed before making a post like this.

For God's sake all mighty. Is it some stereotype of Rap fans to spammingly say that whenever some one else simply doesn't like rap music means that they aren't open minded? That's the strongest fighting back i've heard in this thread, and honestly that isn't much to me.


There have been various posts within this thread to inform you how there are in fact NOT shitty hip hop/rap artists out there.

....What?


Oh, you want melody? here (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=1100707&postcount=814). As I read your later post, it seems as if you do not care for digital/programmed drums. It seems like you like sampled drum breaks. Y Society (http://www.myspace.com/ysociety) has a good showing of drum breaks.


Are you going to give me links to any other places? Because i can not sit here honestly and say i'm going to listen to music on a website as culterally abysmal as Myspace. That is where the greatest majority of that stereotypical bullshit rests. Do you really think i change the TV/Radio etc. stations to that crap on purpose? It's not my fault the media whores the stereotypical and retarded idiocy. It's what is today's popular culture. And today's culture is a damn sad one.


A good 90% of the rappers are a stereotypical black man and all they sing about is grills, ho's, cars, bling, and how their life sucked in the past bullshit?

Wow. Your ignorance amazes me. Most of the black artists do in fact not fit in that category. I'm sorry you turn on the T.V., see shitty artists, and merely interpret that all those shitty artists encompass what the genre is all about.

Oh i'm sorry. I guess i've been seeing illusions and it's all been just a dream. There no such thing as rap artist walking around in bullet proof vests smoking blunts with gold grills in their mouth. Thank you for correcting me on that.


Here's some advice. TURN OFF THE T.V. The majority of it is controlled and untrue. I'm hardly just talking about hip hop music. And aren't a good majority of songs of any genre (in history) about complaining of the struggles of life? You want to hear a story or songs of artists talking about prevailing in life with a positive mind frame? Okee.


Wait wait. First you're saying that rap has not devolved and there is no much bad rap out there, now you're turning around and saying that there IS bad rap out there and I'M just watching it. For the love of God, pick a side and stick with it.

The majority is controlled and untrue? So what is Rap now, some Socialist Revolution? Tell me, what do you define as TRUE rap? Rap is rap. It either sucks or it doesn't. And to me a lot of it sucks today and no matter how many times you spam the "You're not open minded" argument is going to make me change my opinion. And i'm most certainly not going to listen to music on Myspace. That's like pointing to George HW Bush and saying "he's bad", and then pointing to GW Bush and saying, "But that's better".


I'm done.

Please stay that way.

For God's sake all mighty. Is it some stereotype of Rap fans to spammingly say that whenever some one else simply doesn't like rap music means that they aren't open minded? That's the strongest fighting back i've heard in this thread, and honestly that isn't much to me.


No but you like to hang onto stereotypes without even knowing it...If you're going to make IGNORANT or UNINFORMED posts about hip hop I will counter and show you artists that display the qualities of a good artist. Your posts in this thread imply that you are in fact not open minded and like to generalize an entire genre.



....What?


Read this thread before crying how rap is shit? Be informed?



Are you going to give me links to any other places? Because i can not sit here honestly and say i'm going to listen to music on a website as culterally abysmal as Myspace. That is where the greatest majority of that stereotypical bullshit rests. Do you really think i change the TV/Radio etc. stations to that crap on purpose? It's not my fault the media whores the stereotypical and retarded idiocy. It's what is today's popular culture. And today's culture is a damn sad one.


Oh please. Is there an easier way to showcase music to people? I send you the link and the music is played right there. If you're that close minded to click the link then you're hopeless. Myspace is actually great for music. There isn't much of an easier way to display music for people. I'm not saying today's popular culture is marvelous, but all you're doing is complaining about negative shit. If a majority of the negative crap is displayed on T.V., turn it the fuck off and look for something good. And you can't possibly say a majority of hip hop now reflects the mainstream artists now because you're flat out false.



Oh i'm sorry. I guess i've been seeing illusions and it's all been just a dream. There no such thing as rap artist walking around in bullet proof vests smoking blunts with gold grills in their mouth. Thank you for correcting me on that.


Wait...did I really say there was no G-Unit? No shitty artists?...Once again all you're doing is complaining about the negative aspects of hip hop today without looking into the positive aspects of hip hop today.



Wait wait. First you're saying that rap has not devolved and there is no much bad rap out there, now you're turning around and saying that there IS bad rap out there and I'M just watching it. For the love of God, pick a side and stick with it.

The majority is controlled and untrue? So what is Rap now, some Socialist Revolution? Tell me, what do you define as TRUE rap? Rap is rap. It either sucks or it doesn't. And to me a lot of it sucks today and no matter how many times you spam the "You're not open minded" argument is going to make me change my opinion. And i'm most certainly not going to listen to music on Myspace. That's like pointing to George HW Bush and saying "he's bad", and then pointing to GW Bush and saying, "But that's better".


It hasn't devolved because the majority of artists out today ARE good. When did I say the majority of the artists are on T.V. or radio? The quantity and quality of artists in the underground outweigh the quantity and quality of the artists in the mainstream. So I said there was absolutely no bad out there? Wasn't there a reason I told you to turn off the T.V.? You say rap is either good or bad but nothing is that simple. Nothing is ever that black and white. and you can't possibly say an entire genre sucks because of your lack of knowledge of it... how is it like that comparison at all? Unlike the television which rarely displays good hip hop artists, the internet and myspace gives you nearly unlimited amount of artists. It's not controlled. I'm sorry you see things so black and white and cannot grasp the fact that there is quality in hip hop nowadays. A lot of it too.

and if you're so angry from seeing a myspace link, I could easily make a mix of the artists I explained. Just let me know =)

No but you like to hang onto stereotypes without even knowing it...If you're going to make IGNORANT or UNINFORMED posts about hip hop I will counter and show you artists that display the qualities of a good artist. Your posts in this thread imply that you are in fact not open minded and like to generalize an entire genre.


Yeah i mean screw having an opinion. That just ignint int it? Not open minded my ass. A good majority of the artists that Trentington posted were good and if not that at least decent. Unless you haven't heard, i said there are rap artists out there that i like and so on. I generalize because the media makes up the biggest majority of the genre. What about that you can't get through your head, i don't understand. The whole "Ignorant" argument is also getting stale and dry by the way.


Oh please. Is there an easier way to showcase music to people?

Yeah like Youtube for example. or maybe even post up some MP3s, i hear that's what this forum is for in the first place. *Wink wink fucking nudge nudge* If you post up Myspace links, i'm going to ignore them because frankly i've seen the music on Myspace and it's nothing short of Punk Emo Gangster bullshit. Why on earth would any person want to go THERE for music?


If you're that close minded to click the link then you're hopeless.


Again with the stale dried up "Closed minded" agrument. Give it a rest. The dead horse has been thoroughly beaten and the stick is broken.


Myspace is actually great for music. There isn't much of an easier way to display music for people. I'm not saying today's popular culture is marvelous, but all you're doing is complaining about negative shit. If a majority of the negative crap is displayed on T.V., turn it the fuck off and look for something good. And you can't possibly say a majority of hip hop now reflects the mainstream artists now because you're flat out false.


I'll say it again genius. Fucking. Youtube. I can easily listen to music there without having to read through 100 million retarded replies to whomever while trying to find the music player through the background image flashing the words "Legalize it".

Now excuse me here if i my sound out of field. But you bitch about me complaining about the negative points of rap when the topic is called...GASP! Rap: Why is it hated? In a topic showing this, exactly how would you expect people to explain what is bad about rap? Say today's rap is horrible because it sucks wonderful lollypops? Get over it.


And you can't possibly say a majority of hip hop now reflects the mainstream artists now because you're flat out false.


And why am i flat out false? Listening to you try to explain this is like listening to a scientist or christian pull an answer out of their ass about how the world started.



It hasn't devolved because the majority of artists out today ARE good. When did I say the majority of the artists are on T.V. or radio? The quantity and quality of artists in the underground outweigh the quantity and quality of the artists in the mainstream.

Will you pick a fucking side and stick with it?


So I said there was absolutely no bad out there? Wasn't there a reason I told you to turn off the T.V.? You say rap is either good or bad but nothing is that simple. Nothing is ever that black and white.

No shit sherlock. It's a matter of taste and taste of the masses makes up a statistic. Understand? Awesome.



and you can't possibly say an entire genre sucks because of your lack of knowledge of it... how is it like that comparison at all? Unlike the television which rarely displays good hip hop artists, the internet and myspace gives you nearly unlimited amount of artists. It's not controlled. I'm sorry you see things so black and white and cannot grasp the fact that there is quality in hip hop nowadays. A lot of it too.


When in the mother flying fuck of all hell did i say it was all bad? Are you that stupid, or just blind? Ignorance this ignorance that. If you can't think of any new argument, sew your fingers together so you can't type anymore, because talking to you is beyond boring.


and if you're so angry from seeing a myspace link, I could easily make a mix of the artists I explained. Just let me know =)

I would much rather you threw you keyboard out the window, because you clearly do not belong on the internet.

You could also, you know, copy-paste the names I typed in my previous reply into youtube and check it out yourself if you're willing to make that small effort. :p

Excellent points but...
To me there are types and though I agree with most of what you said
there are some things that I can't agree with. First I believe the 90's were a much more "Happy" era (Think back) and as many said it's not all rap that people hate, just as with any genre there is good and bad ya know? People need to start giving reasons to hate or bash something/somone I always say.
But to answer the OP well:

Heck my answers have already been posted, over 35 pages worth!
But in defense Hip-hip is where it's at. Yes there is good rap and I have quite a collection, peace:)

Well i took the question of rap as a hole so my take on the previous post still stands there are always going to be different forms of hip-hop if you put 10 people in a room and have them listen to the same song you will get 10 different opinions on why they liked or disliked it so that is there preference . As far as the "happy" era in the 90's i guess it depends on what you listen to at that time. I know there were groups like de la soul and tribe called quest and so on and so on but for me i was listen to 2pac, bone, ice cube,wu-tang,Dr dre, Eazy-E things like that . At that time it was right after the LA riots so even though they would have a "Happy" song every now and then the moods on most of there albums were very somber (at best) so i guess it was the sign of the time out here on the west coast.

I did, and i already said a good majority of them were pretty good.

Yeah i mean screw having an opinion. That just ignint int it? Not open minded my ass. A good majority of the artists that Trentington posted were good and if not that at least decent. Unless you haven't heard, i said there are rap artists out there that i like and so on. I generalize because the media makes up the biggest majority of the genre. What about that you can't get through your head, i don't understand. The whole "Ignorant" argument is also getting stale and dry by the way.

but the media doesn't....how many different rap artists are really on T.V. or radio? Well, from your posts there's nothing more to interpret about your knowledge of hip hop.



Yeah like Youtube for example. or maybe even post up some MP3s, i hear that's what this forum is for in the first place. *Wink wink fucking nudge nudge* If you post up Myspace links, i'm going to ignore them because frankly i've seen the music on Myspace and it's nothing short of Punk Emo Gangster bullshit. Why on earth would any person want to go THERE for music?


YouTube it is =)



I'll say it again genius. Fucking. Youtube. I can easily listen to music there without having to read through 100 million retarded replies to whomever while trying to find the music player through the background image flashing the words "Legalize it".


Is it that hard to find the music player? I thought it was always at the top right =0 and people don't leave replies on YouTube?



Now excuse me here if i my sound out of field. But you bitch about me complaining about the negative points of rap when the topic is called...GASP! Rap: Why is it hated? In a topic showing this, exactly how would you expect people to explain what is bad about rap? Say today's rap is horrible because it sucks wonderful lollypops? Get over it.


But you make yourself look like a fool only bitching about one side of hip hop/rap.



And why am i flat out false? Listening to you try to explain this is like listening to a scientist or christian pull an answer out of their ass about how the world started.


Well, you're false because how many of the same artists are played on the radio and television? Quite a good amount. In fact, labels have contracts with well known radio stations within big cities to play their artist, so you're not hearing much different on the radio.

Let's take a look at the most popular hip hop artists within the past 5 years...

T-Pain, Young Jeezy, Kanye, Lil Wayne, The Game, David Banner, Nelly, G-Unit, Rick Ross, Missy Elliot, Chris Brown, Jay-Z, Nelly, Eminem, T.I., Outkast, Ludacris, Lil Jon & The Eastide Boyz, Three Six Mafia, The Roots, Lupe Fiasco, and probably about 20 one hit wonders. I would say that's a fair assessment. That's about 40 mainstream hip hop artists within these past 5 years. About half had one hit singles and fell off the map, some have been in the spotlight for a while, and others actually have talent.

Let's take a look at some underground artists with the past 5 years...

Sage Francis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ7w-z4BvMo), Atmosphere (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbEwHJX95QE), Aesop Rock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1u43KDiWD0), El-P (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOPjJZ5-9zM), Cage, Ill Bill, Necro, MF Doom, Jean Grae (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS5Ea9F4lZs), Immortal Technique (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggxTtnKTMo), Mr. Lif (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwRlS2UVHA8), Blockhead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdwD3MXVl4), Murs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOig9IrGlpI), Mos Def (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMOy9SsUQ7U), Talib Kweli, Pharoahe Monch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA2E1S93cDE), Jedi Mind Tricks, Hangar 18, Juggaknots, Blackalicious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph59l6XAKWg), Cunninlynguists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_0AKTjs5Z0), DJ Krush (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k09ehtagnJo), DJ Shadow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq72lrDRXpM), Jurassic 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4KkYi9M_H8), K-os (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjVT-SKAxUs), KRS-One, Prefuse 73 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUTEd3OmIK0), Sole (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jmgU1PFBB4), Sollilaquists of Sound (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x89phhSYIVA), X-144 & SPS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDCf6pw-fUQ), Glue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4UStqhFSSQ), Lyrics Born (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZseawCNO8g), Lifesavas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpU-nLZ2aOI), The Opus, RJD2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpVfYnuD15w), Madlib, J Dilla, Y Society (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgERCH2lOlU), Edan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkS7Uz776MQ), Omega One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6EOyBo0rHM), Saul Williams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRsgavuG4sg), Busdriver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjOXkpcXtKc), Thavius Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KBbljWWh94), Alias (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmvwN1G08zc), Buck 65 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBCQ7edDmoE), Brother Ali (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF1FLZHTEYs), Eyedea & Abilities (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIcuDQ2uwkE), Reanimator (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCyOCLx5TSM), Coldcut (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrQcOmpbkCs), Kid Koala (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbFIGFv4GLQ), Giant Panda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd5YtUdF-a4), People Under The Stairs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoCMXGkVco4), P.O.S. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAP4AdPbVrs), Sixtoo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR91CaI8wBw), Subtle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5HVRe7UDuc), Jel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORZpDOeeK54), The Herbaliser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-ROJKfD9kU), Louis Logic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MD5HuTXZoc), 7L & Esoteric (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otwfOLj_D3s), Akrobatik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKMzYoEzrp0), Diverse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiWII8uDqUk), C-Rayz Walz, Apathy, Q-Unique (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDf4oc5b424), Little Brother (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfsosIFNR4A), Gza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKCDg76yQbY), DJ Vadim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSwcrFrLsgM), DJ Spooky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtBN8xdqnF0), Zion I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYJCT8EqbtU), Flying Lotus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zogVazUSiYU), Idris Goodwin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TsMpNrfs20), El Guante, Serengeti (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqrtoFWglMY), De La Soul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5LKWqGCSk), Handsome Boy Modeling School (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVbVHonsqYA), Tonedeff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2bbhYRnOFA), Prince Paul, Masta Ace (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdHZJIpif6c), Icon the Mic King (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo6eg03lJXA), Blueprint, Aceyalone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32t448n2N-w), Abstract Rude, Gang Starr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmGWB07k8cs), Nujabes, Peanut Butter Wolf, Apani B Fly MC, Ayatollah, Blue Sky Black Death, Count Bass D, Afta-1, Yarah Bravo..

...That's 90. I don't know. You tell me where the majority is.



Will you pick a fucking side and stick with it?


? I thought I did.



When in the mother flying fuck of all hell did i say it was all bad? Are you that stupid, or just blind? Ignorance this ignorance that. If you can't think of any new argument, sew your fingers together so you can't type anymore, because talking to you is beyond boring.


Wow, relax. By saying you would shove your cock in an oven than listen to hip hop only shows your love for the genre.



I would much rather you threw you keyboard out the window, because you clearly do not belong on the internet.

I love you too

All I have to say:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/174837

All I have to say:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/174837

....Can i like...Buy you some hookers...or something?

The cypher from the BET Hip Hop Awards 2008. commercial or underground, all these emcees killed it. all freestyle:

Round 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkilPIUx36I

Round 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weuTWFyCq94

Round 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPLoE61f9EQ

Viacom took down the first two videos but I checked the last one...That's hardly a freestyle...Regardless that ain't bad.

I finally join the forum, and this is the first thread I see. XD I don't hate rap music.
Granted, I used to. Then I actually started listening to some of it. It was forced at first(like in somone else's car)... But, honeslty...if you can't feel some of those beats, there is something wrong in your soul. >>

I'm not exactly a fan of mainstreem "rap", crap they play on the radio..More like Tech n9ne and Brotha Lynch... Though, really, I can see why singing about eating babies could be offensive.

As for not understanding punk... I love it. But, i see why alot of people don't. and NO, Good Charolette (sp?), and green day are not punk. :\

Emo, though.. got me on that one.I can't even stand the stuff when my heart's broken. O_o

good hiphop that doesnt conform to the cliches everyone knows & loves (hah) is hard to find indeed. i actually make some kind of music involving rapping myself (call it what you like) and i'm totally frustrated not only by the lack of coverage given to anything slightly different out there (especially in comparison to other genres, in which its fairly easy to come across good experimental artists - eg. metal, a lot of people know melt banana, the melvins, mike patton, etc. whereas in rap if i mentioned clouddead, curse ov dialect, busdriver, restiform bodies, grand buffet.... blank faces for the most.) part of the problem is the press. they positively nurture the cliche for all its worth, it sells records, it makes good drama. thus i am in the unenviable position of making a type of music i am embarassed to name when people ask me what i do. because 99% of the hiphop in the public eye is 'might is right' macho, moronic, misogynistic, homophobic, sexist, pseudoracist (hello dead prez) bullshit.
THERE IS OTHER STUFF OUT THERE. EVERY GENRE HAS ITS IDIOTS.
DON'T, PLEASE, DON'T TAR US WITH THE SAME BRUSH AS THEM.
thanks.




Thinking an entire genre is crap just because of the current way said genre is most often percieved shows ignorance.

sorry to add something in an edit for the fourth time but DENNY - your icon is a mammy nun from frank zappa's 'thing fish' musical. clearly you must like frank zappa. who has done a hiphop track himself! people have even said 'more trouble everyday' is one of the first examples of rapping - what's he doing on that song? talking fast over a repetitive beat = which equals the formula of MOST MUSIC. i love the retarded way people who don't understand new forms of music complain that it isn't music, it's just noise - people were saying that about the rock and roll you clearly love years and years ago. and the guy who said rock and rap are basically the same thing, that's a pretty damn good point. but to clarify the so-called difference between 'hiphop' & 'rap' - they're both names for EXACTLY THE SAME GENRE. theres many subgenres like all forms of music, but no single one of them is called 'hiphop' or 'rap'. you can rap over different kinds of music to hiphop, yes - rock and metal being obvious choices - but thats still a kind of hiphop. hiphop can interbreed with anything pretty much, from the way it came out of sampling and is now something a lot more diverse.
last edit, i promise.

FIGHT!!!

Street Fighter Underground Remix

http://www.myspace.com/capcomunity

http://kotaku.com/5099000/free-street-fighter-album-is-probably-worth-getting

I still don't understand why anyone would come to this forum, this demographic, to debate rap's relative appealability. To me, that's like taking a Calculus theory to a team of etymologists.

By posting at ffshrine.org, these people demonstrate that they only want to discuss the topic passive-aggressively, because they must realize that opening a similar conversation at BET.com would be more challenging.

TBH I can tolerate some rap music, as long as it is tasteful and isn't all about getting shot at in the hood, smacking someone's bitch upside their head, or getting rich while living off the government.

I still don't understand why anyone would come to this forum, this demographic, to debate rap's relative appealability. To me, that's like taking a Calculus theory to a team of etymologists.

By posting at ffshrine.org, these people demonstrate that they only want to discuss the topic passive-aggressively, because they must realize that opening a similar conversation at BET.com would be more challenging.

What's even more amusing is that no one has closed this thread, and it's been around almost as long as the forums themselves.

You didn't even spell "Schlong" right, Lord Abortion.

Blu, Mainframe, Exile, K-rino, Z-ro, Immortal Technique, Pharoah Monch, The Roots, Outkast, Nas, Jay-Z, Q-Tip, UGK, The Jacka, Common, Lupe Fiasco, Cormega, Papoose, and Joe Budden are all nice rappers.

I still don't understand why anyone would come to this forum, this demographic, to debate rap's relative appealability. To me, that's like taking a Calculus theory to a team of etymologists.

By posting at ffshrine.org, these people demonstrate that they only want to discuss the topic passive-aggressively, because they must realize that opening a similar conversation at BET.com would be more challenging.

How so?

i Like hip hop not rap hip hop like beats and ryhmes but rap is a cheesy spin off im more of an hard dance head so for me its about the beats and basslines ie dubstep.

Gangsta rap is the type of rap that is generally spoken out against. Groups like NWA promoted the type of lifestyle that if you break the law, you get rewarded with money, cars, and women. The Roots are a good group if you listen to their music. "What They Do" is a song by them and it talks about how The Roots are successful because they don't promote stuff like other rap artists.

rap is crap

oho, c wot i did thar?

I still don't understand why anyone would come to this forum, this demographic, to debate rap's relative appealability. To me, that's like taking a Calculus theory to a team of etymologists.

By posting at ffshrine.org, these people demonstrate that they only want to discuss the topic passive-aggressively, because they must realize that opening a similar conversation at BET.com would be more challenging.


How so?

You'd more than likely find someone with an educated opinion. Whereas if you post something like that here, this will happen:


rap is crap

oho, c wot i did thar?

Not educated.

Groups like NWA promoted the type of lifestyle that if you break the law, you get rewarded with money, cars, and women.

WOW! I think you don't get the things that are said in these songs. You shouldn't take everything literally. I've been listening Hip Hop for almost entire of my life, never have I heard a song where doing something was exclusively promoted. Never ever. But what I have heard is a lot of things on these peoples minds, a lot of opinions and a lot of stuff to say. Even after that it's just stuff that rimes with beats, nothing more nothing less. There is no biblical approach to all of this what so ever. People are just spitting, period.

Then again the whole genre for me is all about the music. I don't care how much cars someone owns, could not care less.

You have to be a dumb fucking idiot in the first place to start to think that if someone is spitting that breaking the law will get you money, cash and pussy. That that is also the reality. Get to fuck outta here!

Whatever is said in these songs don't actually mean that you have to do it. I'm not saying that these artist's aren't serious about what they say. We all know what happened for 2Pac and Biggie.

WOW! I think you don't get the things that are said in these songs. You shouldn't take everything literally. I've been listening Hip Hop for almost entire of my life, never have I heard a song where doing something was exclusively promoted. Never ever.

Honestly, i'm starting to think that rap fans have a whole list of template retorts.


You have to be a dumb fucking idiot in the first place to start to think that if someone is spitting that breaking the law will get you money, cash and pussy. That that is also the reality. Get to fuck outta here!


Actually, i speak from experience when i say that it does. Ask yourself really fast, what young girls go for these days. That's right. The bad boys. And it's a lot easier to steal than to buy anyday. Also, cash and money are the same thing mir?



Whatever is said in these songs don't actually mean that you have to do it. I'm not saying that these artist's aren't serious about what they say. We all know what happened for 2Pac and Biggie.

Yet we still have to listen about how 50 Cent got shot nine times and how Kanye thinks he's the voice of the generation. Like hell they aren't serious about what they say.

You'd more than likely find someone with an educated opinion. Whereas if you post something like that here, this will happen:



Not educated.

Clearly a joke

WOW! I think you don't get the things that are said in these songs. You shouldn't take everything literally. I've been listening Hip Hop for almost entire of my life, never have I heard a song where doing something was exclusively promoted. Never ever. But what I have heard is a lot of things on these peoples minds, a lot of opinions and a lot of stuff to say. Even after that it's just stuff that rimes with beats, nothing more nothing less. There is no biblical approach to all of this what so ever. People are just spitting, period.


I know I have to really struggle to think of any rap song that overtly promotes drug use, violence, sex etc.....man If I could only think of one single song....I'm really drawing a blank..

Honestly, i'm starting to think that rap fans have a whole list of template retorts.


Fans? Where?


Actually, i speak from experience when i say that it does.


Seriously, I would love the hear that.


Ask yourself really fast, what young girls go for these days. That's right. The bad boys.


I don't know why should I care about who is sucking who, and I don't. Besides, I don't think that's my business anyway. Choices, choices...


And it's a lot easier to steal than to buy anyday.


Might be, doesn't mean that you have to do it. Definitely doesn't mean that in the long term you will actually get something out of it. Think about this once more, steal what? What are you gonna do with some worthless junk and you still have to sell it.


Also, cash and money are the same thing mir?


Money is something you got in the bank, or invested in like property, cars all that crap. Cash is the amount of money you have in your wallet (we're talking about paper) or on your hands in general (at home all that).


Yet we still have to listen about how 50 Cent got shot nine times and how Kanye thinks he's the voice of the generation. Like hell they aren't serious about what they say.


I'm pretty sure that you don't have to listen anything if you don't want to.


I know I have to really struggle to think of any rap song that overtly promotes drug use, violence, sex etc.....man If I could only think of one single song....I'm really drawing a blank..


Well if they're actually cashing in due to promoting drug use, violence and sex. Then I guess it is true...

Hell no! None of these artist's will ever profit from promoting drug use, violence and sex. Seriously think about it. They are not promoting any of that.



I don't know how many times I've heard Hits from the Bong by Cypress Hill. And you will keep hearing something like this while you're listening the song...

"Let's smoke that bowl, hit the bong

And then take that finger off of that hole

Plug it, unplug it, don't straaaain

I love you Mary Jane"

After all that, I still don't give a fuck. I'm not smoking anything, period. Get to fuck outta here. I get the song though, probably some personal experience, okay... Music is beautiful though, really awesome beat in that track and if you have fine sound system with quality big enough subwoofers. That track is a blast.

Fans? Where?


Right in front of me.


Seriously, I would love the hear that.

I don't know why should I care about who is sucking who, and I don't. Besides, I don't think that's my business anyway. Choices, choices...


Ok listen douche for brains, if you're going to play the "I'm not responsible for my own fucking words" game then just get the fuck out already.


Might be, doesn't mean that you have to do it. Definitely doesn't mean that in the long term you will actually get something out of it. Think about this once more, steal what? What are you gonna do with some worthless junk and you still have to sell it.


Good lord all mighty kid. Did i SAY you have to steal it? No. Are you a word twisting dumbass? Don't asnwer. I already know. What are you gonna do with that "Worthless junk" of a diamond ring after you stole it? Surely it must be worth scraps and working for a day would not reap the same profits as fast.

Surely.



I'm pretty sure that you don't have to listen anything if you don't want to.


It's not like i don't try to avoid it. It's all over the media. Even in what you Americans call "News". I'm not bullshitting you. I can't even escape it in what is meant to be the most intelligent form of media.


Well if they're actually cashing in due to promoting drug use, violence and sex. Then I guess it is true...

Hell no! None of these artist's will ever profit from promoting drug use, violence and sex. Seriously think about it. They are not promoting any of that.


How about we put you on our side of the playing board for once and you prove something.


I don't know how many times I've heard Hits from the Bong by Cypress Hill. And you will keep hearing something like this while you're listening the song...

"Let's smoke that bowl, hit the bong

And then take that finger off of that hole

Plug it, unplug it, don't straaaain

I love you Mary Jane"

After all that, I still don't give a fuck. I'm not smoking anything, period. Get to fuck outta here. I get the song though, probably some personal experience, okay... Music is beautiful though, really awesome beat in that track and if you have fine sound system with quality big enough subwoofers. That track is a blast.

If you're that stupid then sure, whatever fits you.

Rap is considered as music?

Fooled me. All in all? They talk about the same stuff. Just worded differently. I won't say what it is because it's very obvious and someone already beat me to it.

Solis, glad to hear btw that you liked some of the artists I summed up a while ago~ But all in all, with these upcoming replies, I'd really tend to keep quoting myself:


Just listen to D�lek or some neat Anticon artists imo.

Ok listen douche for brains, if you're going to play the "I'm not responsible for my own fucking words" game then just get the fuck out already.


Meh... Not insulting enough. Actually, quite poor effort really :)


It's not like i don't try to avoid it. It's all over the media. Even in what you Americans call "News". I'm not bullshitting you. I can't even escape it in what is meant to be the most intelligent form of media.


Right :), just change the channel. Is it really that difficult? I don't know anything about the media in United States. I mean that I don't watch news reports at all. The only touch that I get to it at the moment is through when I watch NHL games.


How about we put you on our side of the playing board for once and you prove something.


I just... That is worst argument ever :).

Hey, I wasn't the one saying that Hip Hop promotes violence etc. Who are we by the way? Are these the fans you were talking about?

Sure, I can shoot this nonsense too. I blame Bono for promoting hypocrisy. How about all these movies, eh? How much violence do movies and tv-series promote? About using drugs, yeah how much about that? Never have I heard of anyone saying, "I hate The Sopranos, they're promoting drug use".

I know one thing for sure, that people who say that these artist's are intentionally promoting violence and drug use amongst other horrible things. These individuals are on some drugs and they are using the wrong ones.


If you're that stupid then sure, whatever fits you.


I know I'm not stupid. What you can't say anything against, then you just go mad and call people morons, idiots and stupid?

How old are you again? For your own sake I hope you're still not 15. Then again aging doesn't help everyone...


By the way you do realize that while you hate hip hop this much, you're actually loving it. Not directly but indirectly. That's the thing you think about every single day. Ask yourself, are you writing all this just because you "dislike" hip hop? Rally?

Right :), just change the channel. Is it really that difficult? I don't know anything about the media in United States. I mean that I don't watch news reports at all. The only touch that I get to it at the moment is through when I watch NHL games.


Obviously.


I just... That is worst argument ever :).


We're still waiting. Answer or get the fuck out.


Hey, I wasn't the one saying that Hip Hop promotes violence etc. Who are we by the way? Are these the fans you were talking about?


No i say YOU. And yes, it does. Any music type can promote violence. Rap is not exempt from this and tends to do it worse. Or do you want to sit there and say "La la la that's not true whatever" some more. I mean yeah there are not a single rapper who walks around in bullet proof vests and shows women looking like corner sluts. I really can't imagine one.


Sure, I can shoot this nonsense too. I blame Bono for promoting hypocrisy. How about all these movies, eh? How much violence do movies and tv-series promote? About using drugs, yeah how much about that? Never have I heard of anyone saying, "I hate The Sopranos, they're promoting drug use".


What you said about Bono is the only logical thing you have said so far. As for people complaining about violence on TV, you're in the wrong topic.


I know one thing for sure, that people who say that these artist's are intentionally promoting violence and drug use amongst other horrible things. These individuals are on some drugs and they are using the wrong ones.


Or maybe they're just people who have taste in shows that don't need excessive violence to boost ratings and see the boring shit on now makes up the majority of American television.


I know I'm not stupid. What you can't say anything against, then you just go mad and call people morons, idiots and stupid?


I think you should get a second opinion on that. I'm calling you a moron because i've given you logical explainations and you slap them aside as if they were hyperbole.


What you can't say anything against, then you just go mad and call people morons, idiots and stupid?


Meh... Not insulting enough. Actually, quite poor effort really :)



Right :), just change the channel. Is it really that difficult?


I just... That is worst argument ever :).


It's as if you enjoy sitting in the hypocritical shadow of your own oblivious idiocy.


By the way you do realize that while you hate hip hop this much, you're actually loving it. Not directly but indirectly. That's the thing you think about every single day. Ask yourself, are you writing all this just because you "dislike" hip hop? Rally?

YA RALLY. No not really. I write this all because you are unbelievably retarded. Unless you went blind for some time or refuse to go back and read my older posts in this topic, then stop acting like you know my every move as soon as i wake up. What are you, the Matrix? Get over yourself, you aren't playing any mind games on me.

I also fail to see how complaining about how much i dislike the newer age of rap makes me like it. That's anti logical mind fuck that can only come from a mental institution. Or a really stupid teenager.

This is ridiculous, because obviously hip hop invented "Sex, Drugs & Rock & Roll". Aww, how stupid I was. This genre has marketing agency where they 24/7 are thinking how to promote Sex, Drugs & Violence even better.


How old are you seriously? Your real age not the one you imagine for yourself. Then again judging from you intelligent answers and the overall lean to just simply insult. Enjoy your life, have a good one.

Old school rap and Hip Hop 4 ever! Fu(k Soulder Boy, Gay-Z, Lil Wayne... they suck a$$. Fu(k the mainstream. Join Fuck the mainstrean group anf fan page on facebook today!

A lot of people who hate rap, tend to not listen to lyrics (or they listen to the lyrics not worth listening to, ie: solja boy, chingy, young joc, etc.). Then, out of this generalization, they say rap "sucks".

I've heard quite a few horrible rock bands/songs (evanescence, coldplay, creed), but I don't just start shooting off and claiming that all rock music is garbage...because it isn't. Like every genre of music, there are the best and the worst, the high points and the low points. If you don't like a genre of music, fine. Say you don't like it. Say you hate it. Saying it sucks or it's a pile of shit lol, or whatever, is just...dumb. And then personal, inflammatory, and sometimes funny arguments occur, like the ones above.

I could start off by pedaling the same drivel about how it objectifies the female gender, or it talks about nothing more than the "hard life" or sex, drugs & money.

But I am not going to do that, rap music is just like anything else out there, there will be those that idolize (although I can't for the life of me see why) rap "musicians", and there are those out there who will condemn every word ever spoken in rap music (for those who do I can clearly see why), not just for the vulgarities and gratuities expressed in the music, but for the overall attitude displayed by the "artists", I speak of course about smug superiority, unwarranted as it may be.

In a world that looks to it "celebrities" for guidance more than those who really do make a difference, there are more upstanding people to turn to that rap musicians. They are, after all the people who should be seeking guidance from those who can really help.

In their own insidious way they manage to indoctrinate those weak minded people out there to actually condone their bleak world view, which is reprehensible enough, without actually taking it to the next level and participating in those same activities which society deems inexcusable.

The list of things out there which exacerbate moral and societal decay is ever-growing, this is a cold hard fact which is (for the moment) inescapable.

The sheer cacophonous crap that rap is is just one of these things. For god's sake if you have a shit life-story to tell, tell it with a little more dignity and restraint, put pen to paper, take political action, do anything, just don't pollute the airways of the world with your nonsensical blithering.

In short, there are people out there who deserve your attention much more than rap artists, I speak of course about your close friends, your family, and those who you really, really trust and care for.

I know my last sentence was a bit preachy, but in all seriousness, those are the things that matter, life is too short, time is too much of a precious commodity to devote to such a pollutant.

P.S. (I WELCOME ANY AND ALL REBUTTALS)

I personally hate mainstream rap, because of the fame to talent ratio. Rap requires very little musical talent, but they get loads of fame for very little. It's just not right. There is no singing, just talking and the beats are very basic and unsophisticated, thus, it sucks. Nuff' said.

I personally hate mainstream rap, because of the fame to talent ratio. Rap requires very little musical talent, but they get loads of fame for very little. It's just not right. There is no singing, just talking and the beats are very basic and unsophisticated, thus, it sucks. Nuff' said.

:rob:

I could start off by pedaling the same drivel about how it objectifies the female gender, or it talks about nothing more than the "hard life" or sex, drugs & money.

But I am not going to do that, rap music is just like anything else out there, there will be those that idolize (although I can't for the life of me see why) rap "musicians", and there are those out there who will condemn every word ever spoken in rap music (for those who do I can clearly see why), not just for the vulgarities and gratuities expressed in the music, but for the overall attitude displayed by the "artists", I speak of course about smug superiority, unwarranted as it may be.

In a world that looks to it "celebrities" for guidance more than those who really do make a difference, there are more upstanding people to turn to that rap musicians. They are, after all the people who should be seeking guidance from those who can really help.

In their own insidious way they manage to indoctrinate those weak minded people out there to actually condone their bleak world view, which is reprehensible enough, without actually taking it to the next level and participating in those same activities which society deems inexcusable.

The list of things out there which exacerbate moral and societal decay is ever-growing, this is a cold hard fact which is (for the moment) inescapable.

The sheer cacophonous crap that rap is is just one of these things. For god's sake if you have a shit life-story to tell, tell it with a little more dignity and restraint, put pen to paper, take political action, do anything, just don't pollute the airways of the world with your nonsensical blithering.

In short, there are people out there who deserve your attention much more than rap artists, I speak of course about your close friends, your family, and those who you really, really trust and care for.

I know my last sentence was a bit preachy, but in all seriousness, those are the things that matter, life is too short, time is too much of a precious commodity to devote to such a pollutant.

P.S. (I WELCOME ANY AND ALL REBUTTALS)

I hardly see Hip Hop/Rap music as a pollutant since most of the hip hop artists out today promote more memorable work than ever. Most of the artists I suggest may not be in the public's eye, but they are however the majority of the hip hop genre. You mock the fact that subjects of the genre are artists or are musicians, but it seems you know very little about the genre as a whole. Can I ask exactly what hip hop artists you deem to be of such a low rank? And do you think these artists are reason enough for labeling hip hop as a pollutant? And you're also saying rap music is responsible for the negative activities that some of society take part of? Well, the negative activities that you believe are influencing such a portion of society would be-if anything-coming from the mainstream portion of hip hop. And if these mainstream hip hop artists are expressing such a bleak world view that influences mainly children to seek the mainstream rapper's lifestyle, wouldn't you think parents/guardians should/would do something to keep these children's heads straight? Parents/Guardians should be the main role model in a child's life as well. I am not saying that negative music (and media in general) does not influence society to act in the negative way the music (or media) suggests, but what good would come of labeling an entire genre responsible for the unfortunate lifestyle that a child acquires? And what's even more strange is the fact that most of the hip hop artists within the past 5 years DO NOT express such a negative attitude...

I will repost the artists that I believe convey a more positive, uplifting, or memorable showing:
Sage Francis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ7w-z4BvMo), Atmosphere (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbEwHJX95QE), Aesop Rock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1u43KDiWD0), El-P (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOPjJZ5-9zM), Cage, Ill Bill, Necro, MF Doom, Jean Grae (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS5Ea9F4lZs), Immortal Technique (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggxTtnKTMo), Mr. Lif (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwRlS2UVHA8), Blockhead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdwD3MXVl4), Murs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOig9IrGlpI), Mos Def (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMOy9SsUQ7U), Talib Kweli, Pharoahe Monch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA2E1S93cDE), Jedi Mind Tricks, Hangar 18, Juggaknots, Blackalicious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph59l6XAKWg), Cunninlynguists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_0AKTjs5Z0), DJ Krush (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k09ehtagnJo), DJ Shadow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq72lrDRXpM), Jurassic 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4KkYi9M_H8), K-os (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjVT-SKAxUs), KRS-One, Prefuse 73 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUTEd3OmIK0), Sole (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jmgU1PFBB4), Sollilaquists of Sound (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x89phhSYIVA), X-144 & SPS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDCf6pw-fUQ), Glue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4UStqhFSSQ), Lyrics Born (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZseawCNO8g), Lifesavas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpU-nLZ2aOI), The Opus, RJD2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpVfYnuD15w), Madlib, J Dilla, Y Society (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgERCH2lOlU), Edan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkS7Uz776MQ), Omega One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6EOyBo0rHM), Saul Williams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRsgavuG4sg), Busdriver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjOXkpcXtKc), Thavius Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KBbljWWh94), Alias (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmvwN1G08zc), Buck 65 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBCQ7edDmoE), Brother Ali (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF1FLZHTEYs), Eyedea & Abilities (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIcuDQ2uwkE), Reanimator (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCyOCLx5TSM), Coldcut (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrQcOmpbkCs), Kid Koala (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbFIGFv4GLQ), Giant Panda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd5YtUdF-a4), People Under The Stairs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoCMXGkVco4), P.O.S. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAP4AdPbVrs), Sixtoo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR91CaI8wBw), Subtle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5HVRe7UDuc), Jel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORZpDOeeK54), The Herbaliser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-ROJKfD9kU), Louis Logic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MD5HuTXZoc), 7L & Esoteric (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otwfOLj_D3s), Akrobatik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKMzYoEzrp0), Diverse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiWII8uDqUk), C-Rayz Walz, Apathy, Q-Unique (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDf4oc5b424), Little Brother (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfsosIFNR4A), Gza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKCDg76yQbY), DJ Vadim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSwcrFrLsgM), DJ Spooky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtBN8xdqnF0), Zion I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYJCT8EqbtU), Flying Lotus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zogVazUSiYU), Idris Goodwin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TsMpNrfs20), El Guante, Serengeti (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqrtoFWglMY), De La Soul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5LKWqGCSk), Handsome Boy Modeling School (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVbVHonsqYA), Tonedeff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2bbhYRnOFA), Prince Paul, Masta Ace (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdHZJIpif6c), Icon the Mic King (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo6eg03lJXA), Blueprint, Aceyalone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32t448n2N-w), Abstract Rude, Gang Starr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmGWB07k8cs), Nujabes, Peanut Butter Wolf, Apani B Fly MC, Ayatollah, Blue Sky Black Death, Count Bass D, Afta-1, Yarah Bravo..

this right here should END IT!!!! any negative comments after this should be charged to pleading the *dave chappelle* "FIF":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVm3UEamHRM

this right here should END IT!!!! any negative comments after this should be charged to pleading the *dave chappelle* "FIF":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVm3UEamHRM

Lyrics were OK, i liked the first part the best "This song is rated M for Mature"

But it still could use some more melody. But at least that one was more creative than most and made more sense than a lot of others out there.

then listen to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=663p9YDgECU

I like rap, but just not today's rap. The only current rappers that I like are Kanye West and Lupe Fiasco. They have good beats, and not incredibly negative lyrics like today's rap. I prefer more old schoolish rap that ranges from the late 80s to the early 90s.

if it is melody that you seek, check this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkMnNHu0gu4

if it is melody that you seek, check this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkMnNHu0gu4

Yeah, that's a good beat.