<table style="text-align:center" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr> <td>Label/Franchise/Artist/Etc.</td> <td>What is Affected by the Ban</td> <td>Suggested Links</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mainstream Music</td> <td>Any kind of album and/or single not related to games, movies, TV series, trailer music.</td> <td>Section Specific Rules [Thread] (Thread 207458)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Music Box Records</td> <td>All Music Box Records label</td> <td>Music Box Records (https://www.musicbox-records.com/en/118-music-box-records)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2M1 Records & Howlin' Wolf Records</td> <td>Releases published by those two labels. Ban also applies to any unofficial expanded release, since they're very likely to contain music published on the official albums.</td> <td>2M1 Records' Twitter (https://twitter.com/2m1records) - Howlin' Wolf Website (http://www.howlinwolfrecords.com/) Soundtrack Collector [2M1 Records] (http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/search.php?searchon=labelnr&searchtext=2M1+Records) SoundtrackCollector [Howlin' Wolf Records] (http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/search.php?searchon=labelnr&searchtext=Howlin+Wolf+Records)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>AIRWOLF THEMES</td> <td>We would like to think this one's pretty straightforward.</td> <td>Website (http://airwolfthemes.com/)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>BIOHAZARD/Resident Evil</td> <td>Music to both movies and games franchises, unofficial rips, arrangements.</td> <td>VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/search?q=bio+hazard)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bioshock</td> <td>Music/releases linked to the franchise.</td> <td>VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/search?q=bioshock)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Chris Huelsbeck</td> <td>His music for Turrican. (Reason (Thread 165085))</td> <td>Website (http://www.huelsbeck.com/) - VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/search?q=turrican)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Clinton Shorter</td> <td>His music. Period.</td> <td>Website (http://www.clintonshorter.com/) - SoundtrackCollector (http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/composerdiscography.php?composerid=6984)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Duane & BrandO</td> <td>Whatever they release. (Reason (Thread 72889))</td> <td>Website (http://duaneandbrando.com/) -VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/artist/4861)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Earthworm Jim Anthology</td> <td>Album from Tommy Tallarico going by that title.</td> <td>VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/album/4304)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>FILM SCORE MONTHLY</td> <td>Releases published by this label. Ban also applies to any unofficial expanded release, since they're very likely to contain music published on the official albums.</td> <td>Website (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/) - SoundtrackCollector (http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/search.php?searchon=labelnr&searchtext=film+score+monthly)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Inverse Phase</td> <td>Releases published by this composer.</td> <td>Artist's page@Bandcamp (https://inversephase.bandcamp.com/) - VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/org/974)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Kronos Records</td> <td>Releases published by this label. Ban also applies to any unofficial expanded release, since they're very likely to contain music published on the official albums.</td> <td>Website (http://www.kronosrecords.com/) - SoundtrackCollector (http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/search.php?searchon=labelnr&searchtext=kronos+records)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Materia Collective</td> <td>Releases published by this label.</td> <td>Website (http://www.materiacollective.com/)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Patrick Doyle</td> <td>His music. Period.</td> <td>SoundtrackCollector (http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/composerdiscography.php?composerid=296)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Project Destati</td> <td>The Project Destati albums. (Reason (Thread 179677))</td> <td>Website (http://destati.jp/)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scarlet Moon Records</td> <td>Releases published by this label.</td> <td>VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/org/1279)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation</td> <td>Nothing from Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation may be posted</td> <td>Movie-list (1935-99) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_20th_Century_Fox_films_(1935%E2%80%9399))/(2000-present) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_20th_Century_Fox_films_(2000%E2%80%93prese nt))</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Two Steps From Hell</td> <td>Whatever they release.</td> <td>Website (http://www.twostepsfromhell.com/)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Var�se Sarabande</td> <td>Releases published by this label. Ban also applies to any unofficial expanded release, since they're very likely to contain music published on the official albums. Do NOT create threads+posts+etc. advertising PM-Sharing of their releases (click for more information) (Thread 207340)</td> <td>Website (https://www.varesesarabande.com/) - SoundtrackCollector (http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/search.php?searchon=labelnr&searchtext=Sarabande)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Video Games Live</td> <td>Video Games Live concerts and performances' recordings/releases. (Reason (Thread 57042))</td> <td>VGMdb (http://vgmdb.net/search?q=video+games+live)</td> </tr> </table>

So, the server today wasn't reachable not for a simple technical reason ? :/

I'm surprised this isn't stickied, but maybe that's to prevent everyone from freaking out.

ok Sarah, i keep my eyes open,
i try to help if i can of course!

Is that actually why the site went down? Or did I miss something?

it was related to it but it wasn't the only reason. kind of complicated.

it was related to it but it wasn't the only reason. kind of complicated.
What an assholes. Trying to bring a whole community down with lot's of people for only 2 working links...

What an assholes. Trying to bring a whole community down with lot's of people for only 2 working links...

Sadly, that's the extent of their knowledge on how these things work.

That sounded so barbaric.

Sometimes i just wish to be a mod of this place.

Administrator, I apologize if this is the wrong place to post this but I noticed many people have been looking for music from Pokemon Battle Revolution, of which you were able to find none.

I have found enough (all I think) necessary songs from the game, and see that it might be more useful to everyone if you could put them up on GH (as well as the fact I don't like to get tangled up in file upload sites) so that no one needs to look around anymore. I'll send the .zip to you if you wish; just let me know.

I love this site but i'm willing to bet that one day all the disgusting corporations who own all this music will come here and demand this place be shut down, for "legal reasons". All in all though, this site is by far the best place for music and I hope it never shuts down.

I love this site but i'm willing to bet that one day all the disgusting corporations who own all this music will come here and demand this place be shut down, for "legal reasons". All in all though, this site is by far the best place for music and I hope it never shuts down.

I am really afraid of that... Let's hope not /pray

Of course, they ARE perfectly entitled to request music be taken down. This is completely illegal. Now, of course, people can rationalise it to themselves-I know I only get music that I plan on buying when I actually have money, but you can't claim in any way that this is 'right'.

Music once was supposed to be for everyone's joy.
Now it's only existing for creating profite for those people who have enough anyway. And anyone who doesn't accept this and "steals" music by downloading it turns into a bad person, a pirate...

The world turns into a worse place every day.

Hi my dear friends. This is really a great forum to get very good game and movie music with extreme rarities. But some posts are ded since a long time I think. I am still lookin for the promo scores of STUART LITTLE 3 and INSPECTOR GADGET 2. They were in this forum. Hope you or someone else can help me. thanks a lot my dear friends. keep well.

Wrong thread to post requests, "my dear friend". LURK MOAR NAO.

right now it just includes music from two steps from hell but this may expand in the future.

please let me know if there are any two steps from hell links on the forums. thanks.

Hello, I read your topic, I would like to known If I am doing wrong posting my cds that I like soo much, I only want to share my music that I like so everybody can have it too, I am not looking to have any profit only make other members happy, I own the cd's they are original not fakes. not bottlegs, I bought them, I didn't want to break any rule from here But I really want to know what to do, So I can't get in trouble.

You can share your stuff. Everyone else is doing it.

There is no moral approach to music. Music is free to all. I do not feel right or wrong for doing it. Its everyones to enjoy. I buy cds all the time. Iam not going to pay some outrageous price for a cd with 18 songs and one is good. The real good music is not well known so its hard to find. If Borders in OH-10 sold Fat Jon/Nujabes cds then I would buy them.

There is no moral approach to music. Music is free to all. I do not feel right or wrong for doing it. Its everyones to enjoy. I buy cds all the time. Iam not going to pay some outrageous price for a cd with 18 songs and one is good. The real good music is not well known so its hard to find. If Borders in OH-10 sold Fat Jon/Nujabes cds then I would buy them.

I have same feelings about movies because I don�t really enjoy them..but I love music and I hate and loathe music thieves...and I happily pay 40 euros from a single cd.

Well this is technically illegal. SO we should respect the wishes of those who don't want their music or the companies that own the rights to them uploaded here. But really, it does have it's benefits to the artists and we hear music we otherwise would never of come across. I had no idea that some of the old Romance of the Three Kingdoms music was done by Yoko Kanno.

Thanks to the website of really come to appreciate Hans Zimmer and others artists like Hayato Matsuo, Michiru Yamane, Kenji Ito, and Go Shiina. I've even come to appreciate nameless artists that many companies haven't really given much credit to such as the artists behind the Bonk and Hyper Wars videogames. So these days I actually do hunt down and try to buy some of their Cd's and sample works. Though it sucks that most of the stuff here can't be found in 99% of the local stores.

Up until a few years ago, I had little interest in music and much less in the artists that created them. That changed as I started to look up and listen to much of the music on this site.

Yet these artists need to make a living, and illegal copies of music do hurt their sales and thus their livelihood, even if we intend to buy their Cd's... there is no guarantee we will later for whatever reason or excuse that may pop up. So by all means, whomever requests something removed, then we must comply for the welfare of this site, and out of respect for those who have invested time, skill, and money into creating these works.

One thing to note though, I don't believe this site to be a major cause loss of sales. Despite all the music here. Many of us do buy it, and when people present arguments telling us that the struggling music industry is failing because of pirates and websites like ours. They are being pretty narrow minded since they are actually in fault for their own shortcomings. If The market hadn't gotten so stale with repetitive mainstream music (Endorsing rap was like like endorsing plagiarism to a degree.) and their refusal to embrace MP3's and online marketing opened up all their pirating problems to begin with. Really, It's gotten to the point that mainsteam music hardly sounds all that different from the next 20 songs following in the same station and even into the next couple.

I'm basically with V Guyver on this. Yes, this is technically illegal, but this is a very challenged market outside Japan. I try to buy my music; however, the prices are a bit higher than most, and there's also the whole issue of importing. I simply try to support whatever artists I can, though my finances are limiting in this regard. Still, I do own two soundtracks, with two more on the way, all thanks to this site.

As far as I'm concerned, when music is treated like nothing more than a product, it tarnishes the dignity of music in general. CDs, vinyl, DVDs, etc. are product; if you want to have the convenience of having an actual copy with artwork and all, then I understand shelling out money. However, I firmly believe the artists should get a much greater cut of the profit than they generally get. That's why I rarely feel bad downloading my music.

Funny thing is, I download loads of music, (nearly have 1 TB total, lol) but I also have loads of CDs (over 2,100), and I nearly break myself going to shows and such. I suppose any measure of guilt should depend on the person's level of fanaticism toward music in general. A lot of the stuff I download is OOP or more expensive than I can care to deal with, but I love having actual copies just as much as (sometimes much more than) I love having only MP3s. I'm pretty much just addicted to music, lol.

In my opinion everybody is super sonic racing.

Thank you for the piercing accuracy Mr. Wright. And on that note, aren't we all Living in the City?

Mr. Newbie yes we are!

It is because nothing in this world comes for free.

There is one rule in life that always rings ever-so-true: Don't be an ass.

I always say, if you bought the game in the first place, you have every right to get the music free, since it's in the game anyways.

Of course sometimes they go out of their way to include extra arrange tracks or something... bu I dunno that's a personal moral call everyone has to decide on.

However I'd be perfectly happy with paying a normal price for a game soundtrack, but we all know that once it gets to America there's all sorts of import charges that rape you.

It's largely not our fault, some of these albums are so frustratingly hard to track down, why should we feel bad when we at least TRIED to get the legit thing?

Anyway I'm new here. I've always browsed through this site every so often, but never understood what it was all about. But I see a whole bunch of intelligent people that just want to share their love for VGM. And I can totally appreciate and relate to that.

I like your opinion and it makes total sense. I've tried getting a good number of OST's only to learn that I'd have to pay over double, sometimes triple the normal retail amount just to get them. Most of the OST's I own are from the game I have, and I can rip most of it myself off the game, but prefer the Cd's. Problem is that in court, no one would give a damn, and thus rip us a new hole in both or geeky behinds, and our wallets.

Just be glad we are often the most ignored legal infringement group, because we aren't criminals, just music lovers of anime and games and material not easy to come by. It's much more different then actual movie and videogame piracy which costs billions to the companies. At most we only cut into a few thousand bucks worth of music overall. We barely hit even a fraction of a percentage of the music market. So long as we avoid posting music of people who aware of us and don't want us to such as Yngwie Malmsteen and other big name artists, then they'll turn a blind eye.

Sarah (and others who might care):

You might want to take a look at this post on a recent "Video Games Live: Vol 1" thread:

http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=1104901&postcount=34

Straight from the horse's mouth, if I may say so.

i dont see the point.
musicians get paid regardless when the game was made. people buy the games anyway so they all get their royalties through that.

downloading mp3 from a game doesnt influence or effect the sale of a game. i dont see how this bothers muscians other than their ego. this is completely different from downloading an album by a band cause that does effect their sales.

this goes the same with movies. if you d/l superman soundtrack it doesnt hurt john williams. he was paid $ millions by the movie studio to make it and also recieves royalties everytime its played on radio, tv, and other medias. when you buy the dvd, in part you own that property. so is there a harm in downloading the soundtrack no?

i see jack walls point on the vgl album. thats a live album effort based on non original music. him and tommy wont recieve royalties cause the music was by other people. however for another example, mass effect by the same guy isnt an issue. i own the 360 game. so whats the point in buying the ost? the guy got paid and his money from the game developer as well my game purchase.

discuss.

one question, WHAT THE HELL IS TWO STEPS FROM HELL? /CRUISE CONTROL

So that's when VGL Vol. 1 is coming out. I recently went to my first VGL and must own that.

I wouldn't download that for the same reason I won't pirate small time bands I like that much and the like. I want them to receive the sales so they will want to make another album. In fact...now that I just realized the Tron, Halo, and Castlevania Rock suites are on there...*clicks preorder* Take that, Jack Wall. I just preordered it. Wait, no, that's a good thing.

Everybody is just out for money, no matter the excuse. It's all obviously for money. We have yet to hear a explaination on what we are doing is "damaging" to them, that's all I'm curious about. What are we damaging? They never explain that, all they do is remind us about what rules we're breaking, but never do they specify what's damaged. A bunch of BS, I say.

I don't think it matters much about Video Game or Movie/TV Show OSTs compared to music albums. If this site was hosting a huge library of albums from all sorts of artists, available to download for free, then it'd be a whole different field. I don't think we should worry too too much about the matter, besides, the only corporations getting upset over these kind of things, are the people running the file-sharing sites. That's it.

To tell you the truth, this is haven, just how often do you see video game music soundtracks up for sale at a local CD store? Not many or not at all, you can only find them online or with stores that is 100% made for gamers. I think we shouldn't be nailed for finding another way to get the impossibles, we're all not rich either.

Evidently, The Dark Knight is two steps from hell.

This market is starved, and if they don't want to cater to it, it finds other ways. That being said I do buy albums, albeit at a slow pace.

it was related to it but it wasn't the only reason. kind of complicated.



a kind of complicated reason huh?.
I see ... u will be married soon =) ... hmm ... GOD BLESS U




so what else?

There are still exists manga comic (with translated) website
There are still exists manga movie website (mpeg1 size until dvd version download)
There are still exists Videoclip (which contain audio+video) and some files are high quality


There will be exists "ffshrine.org" in future



btw: don't forget to invite me when "the day of complicated reason" comes

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...what?

Music once was supposed to be for everyone's joy.
Now it's only existing for creating profite for those people who have enough anyway. And anyone who doesn't accept this and "steals" music by downloading it turns into a bad person, a pirate...

The world turns into a worse place every day.

Never have I seen so much win and reality on ONE post.

Actually, I never think about illegal such thing.
We love music, it doesn't matter if you don't want people upload or download the music. But as long as you don't have a proof that your song is originally yours, you cannot shut down this forum or talk about illegal things.
In my country, people are free to upload their song and let other people to download it as long as the song has bought before. Once we bought something, we have the right to do with our item, isn't it?
SO, as long as we love music, why not share it to other people???
Don't thing about illegal such thing...
This world is free for us, isn't it?





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Actually, I never think about illegal such thing.
We love music, it doesn't matter if you don't want people upload or download the music. But as long as you don't have a proof that your song is originally yours, you cannot shut down this forum or talk about illegal things.
In my country, people are free to upload their song and let other people to download it as long as the song has bought before. Once we bought something, we have the right to do with our item, isn't it?
SO, as long as we love music, why not share it to other people???
Don't thing about illegal such thing...
This world is free for us, isn't it?

People are free to share music in your country once it's been bought because your country doesn't enforce restrictions on the ownership of intellectual property.

When people argue against piracy or the sharing of music and movies, they often try to draw a very simple analog between downloading a movie or song and physically stealing a copy of the album or movie. Your country's laws essentially follow the same line of reasoning - you buy a box of candy, what's wrong with dolling it out to your friends? You buy a game, who cares if you lend it around amongst your social circle? And in your case, you buy some music or videos, what's the big deal if you share?

The facts are, in the US and other countries, the concept of video and music purchase is very alien and completely unknown even to most people who buy their media! When you purchase a movie or song in the US, you're really not so much legally buying a physical copy of your media to do with what you wish; you're buying, for lack of a better term, a license to access the IP holder's material through some arbitrary medium (DVD, CD, Blu-Ray, whatever digitally protected music format you downloaded online from a music store). Although not bound by a contract you sign at the video store, you're definitely legally coerced to obey this contract you probably never gave much mind to. You've all seen the obnoxious five second "COPYING IS PROHIBITED" warnings that litter the previews of a commercial DVD, and these policies largely apply to music CDs as well.

Is it illegal to pirate this stuff? Absolutely. Is it just to do so, for any reason? No. The material has been commercially released under a very specific set of codified laws and contract. Your personal stance on whether or not music or data should be free is completely irrelevent to the law in the countries where I'm guessing most of us posters reside. If you live in an outlier country like Synch does, where there really are no legal ramifications - enjoy yourself while you can, because countries that reject the restrictions and responsibilities that come with a worldwide digital age are going to find themselves on the butt end of multiple embargoes on digital media by the end of the 21st century. Not even a thriving bootleg market will be able to completely remedy that.

The fact is, somebody laboured to create something and released their work under a license that they expect to have followed. As an artist, that is their right. Trying to pretend we have some intrinsic right to enjoy an artist's work regardless of his terms is a blatant insult to the artist.

I feel we should lose the hippie attitude and face the facts: we're not practicing some "fundamental right to joy" that trumps the code of law, we're downloading and sharing some awesome game soundtracks. All we can do is enjoy the fact that very few companies bother defending their game music IP. I am sure there are many aficionados among us who will go the distance and buy some of our game music, and I am sure that there are even some of us who will enjoy a randomly pirated soundtrack so much that we'll go buy the real deal, if just to support the artist - so maybe some iota of good will can creep from our blatant piracy. But whatever, I have a ridiculous amount of OSTs I grabbed here, and I doubt we'll ever see any ffshrine posters take the stand to be sued for millions, so let's just keep up the good (bad) stuff while we have the chance.

Don't get me wrong, I don't enjoy draconian laws in the least, and by my own confession, I am a massive user of this site (even contributor, occasionally) - I just feel we shouldn't disillusion ourselves about the nature of what exactly we're doing. You know what? You're [most of us, that is] committing crimes, however inoffensive they might be, and while nobody thinks you're personally robbing the artist blind (because let's face it, as other posters have already pointed out, it can be absolutely impossible to find some of these OSTs) or throwing a metaphorical brick through their window, you're still committing a crime. So am I, very regularly. Stop pretending we aren't basically just criminals here and go with the flow. When this good thing ends for us, it ends. Again, enjoy while you can.

Everybody is just out for money, no matter the excuse. It's all obviously for money. We have yet to hear a explaination on what we are doing is "damaging" to them, that's all I'm curious about. What are we damaging? They never explain that, all they do is remind us about what rules we're breaking, but never do they specify what's damaged. A bunch of BS, I say.

I don't think it matters much about Video Game or Movie/TV Show OSTs compared to music albums. If this site was hosting a huge library of albums from all sorts of artists, available to download for free, then it'd be a whole different field. I don't think we should worry too too much about the matter, besides, the only corporations getting upset over these kind of things, are the people running the file-sharing sites. That's it.

To tell you the truth, this is haven, just how often do you see video game music soundtracks up for sale at a local CD store? Not many or not at all, you can only find them online or with stores that is 100% made for gamers. I think we shouldn't be nailed for finding another way to get the impossibles, we're all not rich either.

I don't mean to quote an old post, but I agree with this statement 100%, especially the last paragraph. You can't even find domestic VGM albums at any record stores. It's rediculous. And I don't remember ever seeing one single commercial on TV advertising a video game soundtrack. EVER. lol

Online is a blessing for us VGM listeners.

wait, by saying that your are basically flipping the bird at everyone who worked to make that music you love.

There are the editors to the music, the label designers, the manufacturers, the artists, and not to mention the more elaborate the music, the more expensive to produce.

Do you think orchestrated music we all love in our movies and videogames come cheap? Or how about guys like Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Via? Bands like Nightwish and Sum41, they have to use good quality instruments and speakers for the sound they have. A good guitar can cost thousands, real life size organ pipes cost millions, quality drums, keyboards, speakers that cost insane amounts...

Do I even have to explain how much it costs to own a studio, run it, or simply rent any of that?

Look, I don't like the music industry all that much in the US. Yet, if we were to simply by one CD, then cause a chain reaction in which millions of unbought copies of the MP3's are circulated on the net, then you can easily cause a huge number problems to the artist(s) who put effort into the track. I only agree with the downloads on this site because most of them are niche hard to find titles in the US, and the ones I do or can come across I make the effort to buy. But don't think that just because we foreign music, that aren't still doing the same thing, because in the end, the money we could of spent on that artist could of fueled further works we could of enjoyed.

Hi all

It's impossible to download the third music of Bermuda Syndrome, a beautiful 1995's game ....http://gh.ffshrine.org/song/2951/2

Name of the music: 03 - torkiin's last secret.mp3

Thanks, i will be happy and recognize if anybody could solve the problem!!!

One thing I never understood is why the artists/groups/record companies can't reprint their OOP/Hard to Find albums for those who're demanding them and have to resort to downloading them on the net (instead of paying a rediculous price for it). Is it really that hard to do it, or are they just being lazy and/or tight asses, I wonder? Makes no sense to me.

One thing I never understood is why the artists/groups/record companies can't reprint their OOP/Hard to Find albums for those who're demanding them and have to resort to downloading them on the net (instead of paying a rediculous price for it). Is it really that hard to do it, or are they just being lazy and/or tight asses, I wonder? Makes no sense to me.

My guess would be permission issues. Perhaps some new company brought out the copyright, or the old one expired and they can't seem to get the courts to sell it back to them. 'cause frankly some really old stuff is still in legal battles over ownership; and the original creator/composer may not get that much say in the matter.

Because there are other musicians, directors, big-time lawyers, companies like Disney, and all kinds of cretins trying to get their hands on it; and until the courts sell it over to whomever they seem to think deserves the rights to it... most of those copyrights are in limbo... which means they can't release or perhaps even make a remastered rendition.

Though maybe this isn't true for people who make the music digitally through some program... where as the music almost solely belongs to them.

Hi all

It's impossible to download the third music of Bermuda Syndrome, a beautiful 1995's game ....http://gh.ffshrine.org/song/2951/2

Name of the music: 03 - torkiin's last secret.mp3

Thanks, i will be happy and recognize if anybody could solve the problem!!!

Why do people have to be ignorant, stupid and moronic? I just can't understand it. -.-"

http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=1155128&postcount=19

I agree with the idea that if you own a game, you already own the music contained within. For example, take a Tekken game, or Street Fighter III: Third Strike. They have a "music player" option in the game, with a picture of the album cover, and you play the tracks. You already purchased the music.

Another thing I look at is this: game soundtracks simply do not come out in American stores. It's not as though you can go to Target and buy the soundtrack to a PS2 game from 8 years ago that you liked. And if a particular soundtrack was available in Japan 8 years ago, and went out of print...there's no money to be made on it. Is someone actually losing money if I download the soundtrack to "Evergrace"? Does anyone even remember that damn game? No and no! (Great music, btw...)

music's now like painting in a way isn't it? e.g. when you paint something it becomes a fragile b u t t e r f l y-like thing only kept alive by reproduction and no-one thinks to charge you for merely looking at it. i see it as technology catching up too fast for the music companies to keep up with, and largely a good thing - i'm always gonna buy albums for the artwork & lyric sheet, i'm always gonna go to shows & buy merch.... if anything it's made me more of a discerning consumer, and more of a supporter of the bands with nothing. i'd rather order a CD off some guy on myspace who makes songs in his bedroom than wander into a record shop and buy the least awful thing i can find. seriously, if record shops bothered to cater for the underground more then i would buy tonnes more CDs too. i'm just sick of my favourite bands not even getting within smelling distance of these big record chains. in fact increasingly more and more of my favourite acts are either unsigned or almost completely unheard of - and thats thanks to the internet.

i went off on a tangent there i realise. anyway what i really wanted to say was that all the music i've seen up for download so far is videogame music, and that's rare as fuck.... i dunno about the US but i dont think any of these videogame OSTs even come out in england. if something isn't released for sale in england as it's not considered 'profitable' then surely they won't mind me downloading it. it's not like they're losing money cause i would never have got to buy it in the first place. plus in 99% of these cases whoever downloaded the soundtrack has already spent a large wad of cash on the game itself (and dont tell me games arent overpriced). i'm also guessing that these OSTs (i know a lot of the stuff on here is actual game rips rather than rips of the CD versions of the OSTs anyway) are a pretty limited run. i can't imagine them pressing thousands of copies of the soundtracks to some of the games mentioned here... thus if they're limited edition, again the companies wouldn't be losing money if we downloaded them, as we most likely wouldnt have the chance to buy the soundtracks anyway - particuarly since loads of them are from when we little kids marvelling over 80s megaman or whatever. i think downloading is bad when you rip someone off - but the way i see it, no-one whatsoever is getting ripped off here. these composers have already been paid to do their job, i doubt their major source of income is based on the number of soundtracks sold, more likely the number of games. if i downloaded an album by some struggling band on the breadline and then never bought any of their music, never went to any of the shows and never bought any merch, then i would be totally in the wrong. however, if i download one limited edition game soundtrack that probably never came out in my own country and whom's makers are already rolling in cash, i don't see how i've done anything wrong... lets just hope other people think like this too. long live this forum, i say.

EDIT - i can't say *********? b u t t e r f l y ? ? ? ? thats weird

As far as I've been able to decipher, music from rythym games (i.e. not video game music; but official copyrighted albums etc.) is allowed to be posted? That means anyone can request any song they damn well please due to a game called Audiosurf using the music on your hardrive to play. This is mainly done with company owned music. This is something of a loophole that allows users to easily bypass the rules of the forum and isntantly enter illegal territory, with no reprucusions.

I am gay. I can say and do whatever I want.

Well this is technically illegal. SO we should respect the wishes of those who don't want their music or the companies that own the rights to them uploaded here. But really, it does have it's benefits to the artists and we hear music we otherwise would never of come across. I had no idea that some of the old Romance of the Three Kingdoms music was done by Yoko Kanno.

Thanks to the website of really come to appreciate Hans Zimmer and others artists like Hayato Matsuo, Michiru Yamane, Kenji Ito, and Go Shiina. I've even come to appreciate nameless artists that many companies haven't really given much credit to such as the artists behind the Bonk and Hyper Wars videogames. So these days I actually do hunt down and try to buy some of their Cd's and sample works. Though it sucks that most of the stuff here can't be found in 99% of the local stores.

Up until a few years ago, I had little interest in music and much less in the artists that created them. That changed as I started to look up and listen to much of the music on this site.

Yet these artists need to make a living, and illegal copies of music do hurt their sales and thus their livelihood, even if we intend to buy their Cd's... there is no guarantee we will later for whatever reason or excuse that may pop up. So by all means, whomever requests something removed, then we must comply for the welfare of this site, and out of respect for those who have invested time, skill, and money into creating these works.

One thing to note though, I don't believe this site to be a major cause loss of sales. Despite all the music here. Many of us do buy it, and when people present arguments telling us that the struggling music industry is failing because of pirates and websites like ours. They are being pretty narrow minded since they are actually in fault for their own shortcomings. If The market hadn't gotten so stale with repetitive mainstream music (Endorsing rap was like like endorsing plagiarism to a degree.) and their refusal to embrace MP3's and online marketing opened up all their pirating problems to begin with. Really, It's gotten to the point that mainsteam music hardly sounds all that different from the next 20 songs following in the same station and even into the next couple.


i hate a good deal of the music now...because it is so much like the one before it. I like Nickelback, but many of their songs are the same and it's ridiculous. It's as if ...well we found a good beat lets go with it. Same for Three Doors Down.

Will the new Depeche Mode - Fragile Tension be on there????

When does that come out, anyway?

no music represented by the RIAA should ever be posted here, obviously.

When does that come out, anyway?

Album dropping in April i believe.... first single out in March, apparently one track off the album (not first single) leaked by label

I aquired it over the weekend... not too hard to find either. for a quick listen hitmyspacemusic

i dont get the big deal. the musician was paid for the movie / game. so any cd sold is a bonus. a band however still gets money via radio/ tv and live gigs. however record labels waste money on promotion and glam.



Music once was supposed to be for everyone's joy.
Now it's only existing for creating profite for those people who have enough anyway.

thats not quite true. labels take a huge chunk of the cut leaving the band with nothing. bands generally dont start to make money until their 2nd or 3rd album. for many its not enough to live on and they go back to their day jobs.

I was talking about labels (and superstars).

Attn Narco Cease & Desist

You must remove illegal distribution links from these and other similar sites:

Thread 65685

This is damaging to the artists involved.

I was talking about labels (and superstars).

who cares about superstars. this is soundtracks movies and games. superstars get paid for from the radio stations, live gigs, music tv royalties, tv promos - live and now through rock band and guitar hero.

i already explained how soundtrack composers already get paid. i fail to see how "it's damaging" when in reality they get a monthly wage like everyone else gets to pay the rent and put food on the table.

the real issue is the used and rental games market which takes away every royalty due from the developer and publisher.

I bought the ArmCannon and Year 200X albums, as well as Game Over's albums and the Metroid Metal album with donating.
My Game Over albums are even signatures with Wire's autograph.

slag it

Music from the composer Clinton Shorter is not to be posted on the forums.

Music from the composer Clinton Shorter is not to be posted on the forums.

Why?

Why?
Because of this thread (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=68591&).

Because of this thread (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=68591&).

Can they prove they represent the composer?

I've been in contact with them, and yes, they can.

Jessie http://forums.ffshrine.org/images/icons/icon14.gif RULES !!! :)

I've been in contact with them, and yes, they can.

Then can I meet them?

"Piracy" is not theft. Nothing is being stolen here. No CD's are being filched. It may be splitting hairs, but some hairs should be split.

People, stop trying to justify your actions. You know it's wrong. If something is for sale, and you obtain it without paying for it, it's wrong. Simple as that. No excuses, no justifications, no technicalities.

I'm not against most downloading for several reasons, but everyone should purchase as much as they can.

Aren't composers usually paid for their work already when doing a score? So really the only thing in downloading a soundtrack that we hurt is additional funds from an OST.

So fair enough that we're hindering maximum profits to Mr. Shorter, but we're not STARVING him like his 'representative' would have you believe.

who cares about superstars. this is soundtracks movies and games. superstars get paid for from the radio stations, live gigs, music tv royalties, tv promos - live and now through rock band and guitar hero.

i already explained how soundtrack composers already get paid. i fail to see how "it's damaging" when in reality they get a monthly wage like everyone else gets to pay the rent and put food on the table.

the real issue is the used and rental games market which takes away every royalty due from the developer and publisher.


Wrong, they get paid royalties for album and download sales too. Let's not hurt the artists that bring us such wonderful music?!?!


Aren't composers usually paid for their work already when doing a score? So really the only thing in downloading a soundtrack that we hurt is additional funds from an OST.

So fair enough that we're hindering maximum profits to Mr. Shorter, but we're not STARVING him like his 'representative' would have you believe.

Why is it fair to him that you can rationalize how much money he should be able to make? If you enjoy his music, pay for it.

@Sarah

About Varese albums:
Does that include OOP releases?

Like, for instance, "Frankie Starlight", "Shocker", "Lure Of Wilderness", "The Stoning Of Soraya M.", "Rookie Of The Year", "Last Man Standing" (rejected), "Enemy Mine" ....?

I doubt a real representation of a studio located in the USA would have so many spelling errors in one single posting.

And yes, I am really suspicious of this posting. Especially because the eMail this account has in its location ([email protected]) isn't the same as Lakeshore's actual eMail-adresses.

Of course it's Eddavi. Who else abuses the copy and paste function like that? ^_^

Well it doesn't matter anyway. Eddavi killed the Lossless Thread and I would not be surprised if this thread goes too. Well it was fun for the short time it lasted for me. The only thing left to say is

FUCK YOU EDDAVI

who cares about superstars. this is soundtracks movies and games. superstars get paid for from the radio stations, live gigs, music tv royalties, tv promos - live and now through rock band and guitar hero.

i already explained how soundtrack composers already get paid. i fail to see how "it's damaging" when in reality they get a monthly wage like everyone else gets to pay the rent and put food on the table.

the real issue is the used and rental games market which takes away every royalty due from the developer and publisher.

Actually not true. I know a working Hollywood composer and he tells me he gets paid for the sessions and that is it. He makes royalties on the soundtrack sales as well as publishing. The musicians get a piece too.

It's very different from pop music and these guys aren't rich so why not support the music you love with a purchase?

I'm a composer. We make no money from soundtrack sales unless we're creating the discs and selling them ourselves.

The only paychecks you get are from the sessions and scoring, and any published sheet music (i.e. piano arrangement books or concert works). Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It's next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it's worth less than a meal at McDonald's.

As a composer I support the piracy of my music and any other composer's music. We want our music to be heard. Many other composers feel the same way. They're often involved in soundtrack trading and are willing to give out promos for scores that were never released. It would be great if soundtracks were also a means of making money for us, but they aren't.

As for Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Alan Silvestri and the like, they really don't need the nickel they would get from you buying their soundtracks. So in short (too late, I know) downloading the soundtracks are hurting no one except the companies, don't try to say it's the other way around.

I'm a composer. We make no money from soundtrack sales unless we're creating the discs and selling them ourselves.

The only paychecks you get are from the sessions and scoring, and any published sheet music (i.e. piano arrangement books or concert works). Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It's next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it's worth less than a meal at McDonald's.

As a composer I support the piracy of my music and any other composer's music. We want our music to be heard. Many other composers feel the same way. They're often involved in soundtrack trading and are willing to give out promos for scores that were never released. It would be great if soundtracks were also a means of making money for us, but they aren't.

As for Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Alan Silvestri and the like, they really don't need the nickel they would get from you buying their soundtracks. So in short (too late, I know) downloading the soundtracks are hurting no one except the companies, don't try to say it's the other way around.

Sounds like the exemple of Joel Golsdmith who does not own the rights on his Call of Duty 3 music but Activision...
Industry (companies) against Culture (artists)...

I'm a composer. We make no money from soundtrack sales unless we're creating the discs and selling them ourselves.

The only paychecks you get are from the sessions and scoring, and any published sheet music (i.e. piano arrangement books or concert works). Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It's next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it's worth less than a meal at McDonald's.

As a composer I support the piracy of my music and any other composer's music. We want our music to be heard. Many other composers feel the same way. They're often involved in soundtrack trading and are willing to give out promos for scores that were never released. It would be great if soundtracks were also a means of making money for us, but they aren't.

As for Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Alan Silvestri and the like, they really don't need the nickel they would get from you buying their soundtracks. So in short (too late, I know) downloading the soundtracks are hurting no one except the companies, don't try to say it's the other way around.

That's bull but you have a right to your opinion.

Hello, first I want to apologies me for my English. I speak Spanish and I understand English although I�m not very good writing it, and I want to write this as I feel it.
Like many members, I discover this place by accident, I was looking for pictures of Rambo and then I found the link for an expanded score for Speed Racer (that flv file). It was great because I love scores and, again, like many members here I felt like a weird people for being fan of film scores before finding this place. And I wanted the rare unavailable stuff. I buy official CDs since I was very young, but now I live in my country, Bolivia, one of the farthest places in the galaxy and piracy is everywhere. You can buy movies for less than 1 dollar. But recompressed movies because they use 4gb disc only. And in some cases you can have three movies in one disc, like the Back to the Future movies in just one DVD, and you could imagine the quality. When the DVD format came out, I was one of the first geeks who purchased the expensive player and buy original Region 1 DVDs. Then they take out Spanish language and subtitles because of R4 DVDs, but there wasn�t studios or companies to distribute region 4 DVDs here, so what can I do. I�d buy another expensive DVD player for R4 movies but the only way to buy movies was using the help of importers who would charge you with 10+ US dollars from the original retail price. So I have to pay 40 -50 Us Dollar for a movie or 30 for a CD. And I�d do, because when I want something, I want it with the best quality. For example, I collected every original Star Wars CD available, even the not so different 8 disc release of 2007. But in this country you don�t get a 1000 US salary, a lot of people only receive a little more than 100 US, so who would buy an official movie or CD spending almost half of their incomes.
The piracy is common even for the richer people. Even if you want to go to a theater to see a movie, almost every movie last one week only because you can have it for 5 $ on DVD. The prices for movie tickets are 20-25 $ so you may spend 100$ if you go with your family and that doesn�t include additional expenses. So, 100+ $ vs 5$, you can imagine what�s the common choice. So, those importers who brought original DVD and CDs are almost extinct. I�m lucky enough to have a friend who can bring me some of that stuff (not everything) every once in a while. But for everybody I�m the stupid who still purchase original products. I remember very well when they laughed at me for buying the original soundtrack for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Cristal Skull. And the same when I buy movies. I have to wait a month to receive my movie, while everybody has seen it 10 times for less than 1 dollar.
Now, soundtrack aren�t the most common thing to hear on the radio, so the only way for me to hear this stuff is to download it and then decide to buy it, but I really need to be convinced because of the big price that I�ll must pay. So when I found this place I was interested for the impossible things like promos, limited releases and out of prints. I downloaded some new scores, because perhaps I would never see the movie in theaters. You know, waiting one moth to get the soundtrack, I want to hear it before the movie is released because I want to be more excited about that.
But, like I say, I can�t buy every soundtrack because it�s impossible here. I�m against piracy, but most of all against people doing profit with piracy. Nobody seems to do anything here and I prefer to download things from sharing places than pay money to somebody who doesn�t deserve it. My wish is to have labels doing something against this kind of piracy, because perhaps I could buy the original stuff here at reasonable prices. But now its almost impossible to know what is out there. Limited releases are impossible for me, because of restrictions or that kind of things, so I just can buy mainstream things. And without the possibility to hear the work of less known composers like the one from Sector 9 (movie wasn�t released here yet) and with the high prices to spend, I�m almost obligated to chose the sure things like John Williams or Danny Elfman. So now I am very confused about this situation. It is like I am forced to buy piracy, and I hate that. The other choice is to move to another country but I don�t think that�s a solution, I love my country. Well, thank for all the wonderful stuff, and everybody who shared special material with everybody. Thank you, I hope everything calms down soon.

I'm a composer. We make no money from soundtrack sales unless we're creating the discs and selling them ourselves.

The only paychecks you get are from the sessions and scoring, and any published sheet music (i.e. piano arrangement books or concert works). Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It's next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it's worth less than a meal at McDonald's.

As a composer I support the piracy of my music and any other composer's music. We want our music to be heard. Many other composers feel the same way. They're often involved in soundtrack trading and are willing to give out promos for scores that were never released. It would be great if soundtracks were also a means of making money for us, but they aren't.

As for Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Alan Silvestri and the like, they really don't need the nickel they would get from you buying their soundtracks. So in short (too late, I know) downloading the soundtracks are hurting no one except the companies, don't try to say it's the other way around.


That's bull but you have a right to your opinion.

If that were bull, then why is Joel Douek posting all of the unreleased Yu-Gi-Oh! cues on his website? If that's bull, why has LucasFilm not stopped us editing together and distributing (without charge) completed scores? In the case of the latter it's because we're not making money and it's seen as a fan work (mainly for Star Wars, mind). No, composers make little, if any, money from the CD releases of their scores - they all get paid for scoring a film/game/TV show, what happens to the music after that is up to the studios.

@Sarah

About Varese albums:
Does that include OOP releases?

Like, for instance, "Frankie Starlight", "Shocker", "Lure Of Wilderness", "The Stoning Of Soraya M.", "Rookie Of The Year", "Last Man Standing" (rejected), "Enemy Mine" ....?

I'd like to know that too. but I fear they plan to squash us like bugs because we are troublemakers in their nice games of selling limited editions of their scores at 100$ the CD...

:cryingbatman:

I'd like to know that too. but I fear they plan to squash us like bugs because we are troublemakers in their nice games of selling limited editions of their scores at 100$ the CD...


I think i've never seen VS selling CD's from their catalog at 100$ even for limited editions. At that price i only found at eBay or other online auction markets, which a label has nothing to do with it.

its possible he was a troll for the riaa or whatever.

If that were bull, then why is Joel Douek posting all of the unreleased Yu-Gi-Oh! cues on his website? If that's bull, why has LucasFilm not stopped us editing together and distributing (without charge) completed scores? In the case of the latter it's because we're not making money and it's seen as a fan work (mainly for Star Wars, mind). No, composers make little, if any, money from the CD releases of their scores - they all get paid for scoring a film/game/TV show, what happens to the music after that is up to the studios.

Amen to that!!

user "Scoresofscores" try to looks like a composer or producers or anything else, but actualy near to all he have said are total bullshit, don't waste your time to reply to him, and who knows, it's maybe Eddavi himself...

Ohh... I'm sure he'd be able to tell us the name of his good composer friend.

edited.

Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It's next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it's worth less than a meal at McDonald's.
dude, you're an idiot! James Horner's salary for Titanic: $800,000 plus $1.2 per CD sold... It sold 30million copies, do the math dumbass!

What he meant is sales from soundtracks. Composers get paid to do the scoring and then that's it. They get paid if they edit the albums the music goes onto. Aside from that, all proceeds go to the record label.

that's my point. I know how the industry works. Horner made $36million off of cd sales!

can anyone help me find armored core ost im really itchin for it and im havin real trouble finding it aaaa

armored core 4 ost i mean sorry

I follow one and only one CODE of ETHICS when sampling music through the net.

1.If you like it you buy it.
2a.If the number of tracks is 1/2 or close to a whole cd I am bound to buy it.
2b.If the number of tracks is below the total songs on the cd I will not purchase it.

armored core 4 ost i mean sorry

This isn't a request thread.

So, eddavi wasn't bluffing about taddling in that now we can no longer post RIAA soundtracks, which means practically 75% of what's on here can no longer be on here.

Most of the RIAA stuff listed on the first post refers to major US record label releases of pop, rock, hip hop, metal, etc. If your interpretation of the RIAA ban were true then there would be no point in having a separate ban on Varese because Varese is considered part of the RIAA. Thus why you see pop from Japan posted here but not pop from US or Europe.

Ah, so do you think I'd be okay with things like the film soundtracks?

Well the Film Score VGM Hunt thread still contains many recent film score releases that were not from varese and no mod has told people this is not allowed.

Ah, that's fine by me.

too be utterly honest the main time I use the site is for the old classic game songs. To listen to game music that wasn't released on Cd and that I used to own. If video game Ost were released out int he states more often, id obviously go and buy them. Games liek Castlevania have tons of extra remake songs that are added specifically for soundtracks and OSt. Unfortunatly, so many of them are only in japan, and alot of them probably wont even work on my computer or cd player. So my options end up either getting a universal program for a cd player, and then shell out a few hundred dollars to buy and have a game sent over.. or I can come to a site like this, find the one or 6 songs I like, and download them that way.

Im also wondering why so many people are irritated that people go to this length to get game music. If im an artist, and I learn that my work has become popular enough to be found free online, id be proud of my work. Im like animal crossings Totakeke on this.. music is for everyone, and should always be just for everyone. This site is just like the Extension videos I find at youtube, it further promotes the game by showing off its musical score. sorry for the rant and my incredibly bad grammer and spelling issues..

Without FFShrine, the world will end (cries)

Hey, hate to be a stinker, but victory at sea Thread 74107 was released by the Retarded Inhuman Assholes of America. If they find one violation, they might collapse the entire site, and I can't let that happen. This is the best.site.evar.

If you take a look at the stuff posted here, nearly ALL of the Links are copyright violations ... but seems the moderators didn't care. As it is now, this sticky is a joke

well if we want to download music from older or obscure games than i don't see a big problem with that because the developers don't own the licence anymore and sometimes you have no choice but to download from the Internet since the albums are either sold-out or so old that they discontinued them. But i do own 4 soundtracks i imported 2 of them from Japan and i always try to support the artists :) i download from here everyday and it's a wonderful place and i'm not about to let some greedy money grubbing corporation try to stop me! oh quick question are newer games like SMG 2 , little big planet , zelda etc. allowed on here? some games don't even have osts or are download osts like little big planet and modnation racers. Just my 2 cents

I have found many listings that are Varese Sarabande releases, people really need to check before they post. Someone is going to end up biting the big one for downloading something that should not be here, and that is gonna cause the forum to be destroyed. Please be more careful people, unless you want this great place to be destroyed. Go here to check if what you want to upload is Varese Sarabande....http://www.varesesarabande.com/ Thank You!

nothing released by the RIAA may be posted. this includes (among others) anything by Sony Music Entertainment, Warner Music Group, Universal Music Group, and EMI.

Someone seems to have forgotten to tell this person that: Thread 76956 (he's posted a Simply Red album)

The rule, I believe, applies to mainstream music more than anything, or at least that's how I interpret it. Else we are all sharing illegal files (since the RIAA could cover pretty much any western game's music). Forum traffic would pretty much die as we go to alternate forums.

But that's just how I interpret the rule.

Someone seems to have forgotten to tell this person that: Thread 76956 (he's posted a Simply Red album)

jessie is right, no one here gives a fuck or welcomes pop music. it's not like anything that's out is remotely better than anything by hisaishi or uematsu.

so whats the problem with this Varese Sarabande? almost everything posted here is copyright protected somehow. why bothering with that? i dont get it...

Because Varese Sarabande made a request to the forum owner that no one post their releases. So, in compliance with that request, the moderators have to remove links for VS releases when they are found. My suggestion to you Raziel, if you want something, and think it may be a VS release, go to www.varesesarabande.com and check. :) Most of the things posted on the forum nowadays though are things that are out of print and/or the publisher is no longer collecting royalties for (i.e. NES game soundtracks). Hope this answers your questions.

i know one thing on here that is definitely Varese Sarabande, if there are any links for the G.I Joe movie soundtracks, i advise the mods to remove it right away!! (The new G.I Joe movie, The Rise of Cobra) Oh, I almost forgot, absolutely under NO circumstances, is the game soundtrack for PSN game Shatter be posted on the forums. No exceptions! I know i'm sounding like a mod, but i'm just helping out

P.S Would you like me to make a thread about not posting V.S releases it seems like people keep posting them anyway

Myster, I have already made a thread about it. Thread 76887 is my thread.

Hey I want you guys to take a look at this Yahoo article i found, they could be going after FF Shrine next!http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/109975/nine-movie-sites-busted-in-pirating-crackdown This applies for illegal distribution of movies and TV shows, but it mentions sites like this that upload to file-sharing sites. I don't want anyone to freak out but just passing it along. I don't want this place to shut down! Best place for VGM

We don't allow the posting/streaming of movies or tv shows here, so this article doesn't apply to ffshrine.

I know we aren't allowed to post "mainstream" music, but is music that you buy at say wal-mart, those "nature" cd's,like from NatureQuest or Northsound, are those considered mainstream?

I don't know what they are, but they don't sound like mainstream music.

I wasn't sure if they were or not, so I thought better to ask and be told they aren't then post them first and find out they are considered mainstream and have to rip them down.

So... I know in EEUU you have the same problem with the legal music in DD.
I know it, but here we have some better baddest, the "SGAE"...

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So... I know in EEUU you have the same problem with the legal music in DD.
I know it, but here we have some better baddest, the "SGAE"...

This may be a moot question but what if you posted something not available through a record label but owned by one? such as some of the complete or expanded scores fans have made... I always imagined if you owned the cd /film you could argue you were making a personal copy...

You can't post complete scores if they contain the music from the record label release. If you were to leave out the music contained on the soundtrack, then you could post it. But it wouldn't be a complete score then :P

Please STOP posting music licensed by FSM. You're going to kill the label and then we'll have nothing from them, and that would be an end to a VAST legacy of excellence in film music. Stop thinking of yourselves and think of the music and its future. And think of the people who put their hard work, passion, and expense into making the music legitimately available.

I'm no one of importance here, but if I may, I would make a small suggestion for you. When you plead your cause, such as you did here, it would help immensely if you add some links or some real information on what FSM is. I had to look it up because I've never heard of the label before (it's not very easy to look up with google either when the majority of hits is for flying spaghetti monster or something). I've noticed a flurry of FSM people here today, and as far as I've seen only one person linked back to the FSM site. I'm just saying it would help if people knew exactly what you were talking about. :)

Perhaps you could link to the discography page or something? Film Score Monthly: CDs Text View (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/list.cfm)

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If you take a look at the stuff posted here, nearly ALL of the Links are copyright violations ... but seems the moderators didn't care. As it is now, this sticky is a joke

Nearly all? Show one which isn't??

What about this Lawyers are us stuff? Does this mean that FFShrine will be terminated?

*bump*

Nearly all? Show one which isn't??

Well, most of my uploads are music that has NO copyright, and mostly has not been released by any label!

However, one thing that these people just don't seem to realize is that the FUTURE of CDs, DVDs, etc. is VERY limited! Take a look at "Blockbuster" and "Hollywood" video chains, GONE! If Varese, and FSM want to continue in the music business, they are going to HAVE to give us consumers a break, and put the music up for internet download, at 99 cents per title, along with all the covers, etc. They will not have to pay up front money for Disc production, or advertising, etc. they can just sit back and rake in the bucks, and give the artists 5% like they do now. As it is, they only pay about 5 cents per CD, and 8 cents per DVD, for the WHOLE package, and turn around, and sell it to the stores, with a suggested retail of 14.99 to 29.99!!!! Talk about your total SCAM!!!
Wish I had a product that I could charge 18,000% mark up like that!

I am sure that they will find a sizable profit margin! HEY! Whatever happened to "Tower Records"? G O N E ! ! ! !

Varese, and FSM, READ THE WRITING ON THE WALL!!!!!

William

Well, that is one point they are trying to make with these box sets, that true colleters still need or want the actual cd's and packageing on their shelves. That is still true, just as many people still want actual books and movies. Less than there used to be, of course, but still plenty to keep the labels going. Digital will never be a medium of choice for some people. If I could but these sets, I certainly would. I do not ever dl books. Can't stand digi books. I must hold the real thing in my hands...

Well, that is one point they are trying to make with these box sets, that true colleters still need or want the actual cd's and packageing on their shelves. That is still true, just as many people still want actual books and movies. Less than there used to be, of course, but still plenty to keep the labels going. Digital will never be a medium of choice for some people. If I could but these sets, I certainly would. I do not ever dl books. Can't stand digi books. I must hold the real thing in my hands...

Yes, well, you have to admit, that it is the WAVE of the future! I have over 60 Gigs of Ebooks in my computer. Some I have purchased thru Amazon, etc. and many I have D/L'd from the net. When you hold a book in your hands, or look at a "Kindle" in your hands, there is very little difference, except with the Kindle, you don't have to turn the pages! Hehehehehehe

William

?? I LOVE turning the pages.

books are less stressful on the eyes. LCD monitors cut down the eye stress a lot more than CRT monitors. but still, there's other things to consider: brightness of the monitor compared to the lighting of the room. How long you've been looking at said screen.

mobile viewers should be fine though.

What about this Lawyers are us stuff? Does this mean that FFShrine will be terminated?
Just saw that thread.

So, what's up with this? Is the boogeyman really out to get us or is it some child throwing us for a loop?

IF they were lawyers, they would have contacted Sarah via proper chanels. Even if they are real lawyers, in real life, just posting random threats an a thread would not be considered a legal response, I don't think.

lawyers have no business leaving messages in the forum. and they wouldnt pick a name that somewhat copies a commercial name like "toys r us"...otherwise a childish lawyer would show up and leave a message too...

The fact that the mods/admins/fsm are no longer talking and all the "chat" going on in the download section.....suggests...

↓ chocolate misu agrees :D

^ If they were real, I'm sure they would have picked a more serious screen name other than one that has half the name of a toy store :p

-edit sparks beat me to it lol ^__^

lawyers have no business leaving messages in the forum. and they wouldnt pick a name that somewhat copies a commercial name like "toys r us"...otherwise a childish lawyer would show up and leave a message too...

The fact that the mods/admins/fsm are no longer talking and all the "chat" going on in the download section.....suggests...

↓ chocolate misu agrees :D

Not just chat, Sparky..visual aides, for you...!!!

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I would not worry about the random posts for now, but I would not assume things are peachy either. I have heard a couple of disturbing rumors..

i couldnt look at them, said i need to login o.o

A few comments...


(William) (As it is, they only pay about 5 cents per CD, and 8 cents per DVD, for the WHOLE package, and turn around, and sell it to the stores, with a suggested retail of 14.99 to 29.99!!!! Talk about your total SCAM!!!
Wish I had a product that I could charge 18,000% mark up like that!)

You know as well as anybody does that the cost of making a CD is far greater than whatever few pence it costs to physically manufacture the disc. The fees paid by a record company to get the rights to release albums are exhorbitant; FSM will not make a profit on the RJ box until all copies have sold out - and even then it is hardly likely to be a massive sum of money.

If you want a make a massive pile of cash... the movie soundtrack business is NOT the place to be. They do it because they love it.

I'd love to see cheaper downloads too - I'd particularly like the ability to obtain a download copy of an album I have just purchased. The infrastructure to do this would be very simple to set up - particularly for a label like FSM who do all their business online anyway. I buy a CD, I get a link for a digital copy which I can listen to NOW. That'd be fantastic.

Sadly, it's not a case that they charge a massive sum of money because they want to rip people off... it's because, in a small niche market where you're not expecting to sell hundreds of thousands of copies, selling your product at a high price is the only way you have any chance at all of getting back your investment.

If the RJ box cost $10 they'd probably have to sell fifty million copies to make back their money. Granted, it would probably be more popular than it is at $150, but it's not going to sell that much. Economics is a sad fact of life.


Well, most of my uploads are music that has NO copyright, and mostly has not been released by any label!

All music has copyright unless the rights holder publically renounces the copyright and thus releases the music into the public domain. (Or if the recording is so old the copyright has expired; as does in the United Kingdom after fifty years.)

Re: Lawyers are us... Obvious bullshit is obvious. Anybody who has read the copyright act and can string together a sentence likes to pretend they're lawyers nowadays - particularly on the internet!

Until one receives a legally bound and signed document in the post, these lawyers do not exist.

See, that is a common misconception that is widely held. A company that holds the right to a score does not have any obligation to release said score. Any music written for the score is covered. So, unreleased, expanded, composer's promo, and even dvd rips are all still covered by said copyright.

Studios OWN the music. Only Korngold had it in his contract that he would own his scores... hence he reused the work in his future classical library. Studios withhold film scores- or muck them up to be more commercial by inserting the songs from the film- and thus create a "shoot themselves in the foot" situation. This downloading thing gives me a free trial on a score... if I really like it, I go out and buy it. Artists SHOULD be rewarded for their talent & effort no matter how small the payback.

In the case of FSM... the forum board was created to house its faithful, allow them to bicker unto bitter cruelty unto one another. But they are expected to shell out for the FSM releases and kiss the hem of the garment. Sometimes they don't buy a disc. "Eye of the Devil" which is a great score is an example. But when you start creating these epic box packages with ghastly prices you are setting yourself up for possible defeat. I'm not interested in Star Trek anything, so it isn't my concern. I'm also not concerned about hypocrites at FSM who go into an uproar over music copied/bootlegged/ or transmitted via Quija Board. They all do it. So now the saga is OVER. They can continue to take pot shots at whomever they chose... but mostly it seems they eat their own young. Lukas sadly showed the colors he exhibited in the early 90s when a participant on r.m.m. Oh those glorious flame wars with Ford Thaxton were epic... very personal, very nasty.

The music plays on.

^^ Agree with that; although I wouldn't have phrased it in such a direct, venomous fashion... if shoe fits, wear it. :)

Forgive my lack of writing skills and communication... no venom intended, just the facts. (big hugs) ;-) Now go buy "Eye of the Devil". Great score for an enigmatic and practically forgotten film... Sharon Tate's first.

Forgive my lack of writing skills and communication... no venom intended, just the facts. (big hugs) ;-) Now go buy "Eye of the Devil". Great score for an enigmatic and practically forgotten film... Sharon Tate's first.

I agree about "Eye of the Devil" :) and I also agree with some of your comments :) Ive been on the receiving end of their pathetic pot shots a few times in the past , there are quite a few on that board that are hypocrites and believe me I know ;), better stop some of them read this board too.
Why I haven't said much over there about this subject I dont want to hear it.

Sorry for the fruitless bump, but since this is a sticky it doesn't really matter.

I just woke up from the most bizzare dream - about this whole situation. Film Score Monthly had commissioned a cartoon series (in a style something like The Simpsons, but CGI) and it was about us. Sarah was a pink bunny rabbit with crossed eyes sitting at a typewriter (a very cute one, it has to be said,) and I think she was the boss of an office full of people that consisted of the rest of us. She'd bark out orders to us to go ripping off small struggling record companies, and we'd all do it. Sanico was a reddish-brown ferret, or a squirrel or something of some description who I think was the second in command; she brought news that the FSM Police were coming to arrest us all. We all flailed around like idiots and Sarah said "Duuuhhhh" and kept on typing.

Shortly after that, some shiny black robot police officers (handsome and slick, of course - all the Shrine office workers were somewhat retarded) turned up and started arresting people.

It all got a bit hazy then; then I was sitting outside of the office, in the middle of the road (?!) with Lukas Kendall - we both had pints of beer and we were talking about the cartoon and he was threatening to glass me in the face because I worked for "The Shrine". Then my alarm clock went off and I woke up.

Very weird. Sorry for this; I just had to get this strangeness written down somewhere before "real life" causes the dream to fade away into nothingness. I don't do drugs and I wasn't drunk last night, just so you know...!

TT

Tell me more about the cute typewriter ?.

Was there any music playing in the background? say....Ron Jones music (LOL).
Next they'll be making threats against our lives because we dream of music!!

no, they'll just want licensing fees...

My dreams are frequently scored by Jerry Goldsmith. Don't ask me why. I am a strange person; moreso when asleep...

And Zimmer for your worst nightmares ;-)

I think David Lynch has somehow tapped into Tango's subconscious.

yeah! thnx!

Are we allowed to post out of print albums from the likes of Varese Sarabande, et al.?

Nothing, oop or otherwise from Varese may be posted.

Nothing, oop or otherwise from Varese may be posted.

To the uninitiated oop means out-of-print. ;)

I'm surprised this isn't stickied, but maybe that's to prevent everyone from freaking out

what does two steps from hell mean

Two Steps From Hell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Steps_From_Hell)

what does two steps from hell mean

Or it means you're just two steps away from going to HELL!!!

I may have missed this bit somewhere--

If Varese had a commercial release of a score, but someone posts an expanded/bootleg/complete version of it (whether it be from a source or isolated from the DVD), is that also not allowed? It's kind of ambiguous, since a lot of the expanded scores integrate the commercially released tracks seamlessly, while others separate them from the new tracks, some to the point of not even including them. So is the ban limited to just the commercial release album, or just the score in general (if it even included any bits from the commercial album)? Thanks.

The ban covers any music associated with the release, I believe. If Varese licenses a score, they have the rights to it, whether or not they choose to release it. No dvd rip, or unreleased tracks can be posted, since varese still maintains the rights. They can license a score and not release any of it if they want since they hold the rights.
Which sucks, but there it is. Now if someone else gets the rights and puts out the album, it's fair game. Like with the remastered terminator 2. The new album contains the exact same tracks as the varese, but since it is a different label.....

The absolute best way to decide would be to ask an admin about it before posting, I guess.

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It's not really so much murky, as depressing and frustrating. But the studios and labels can do what they want with "their" music. As an example of that. I point out the promo score fot Transformers Prime posted here. Brian Tyler? did the music. He had tracks up on his website. Hasbro which owns the show--and the music--made him take it down. There is no label licensed to produce an album, and there may never be, but the man who did the music in the first place cannot legally post it. Blech.

Thanks for the succinct response, babydoll. I wasn't sure before, but reading your explanation for the licensing makes a little more sense, or perhaps "less" since it does make one scratch heads if the composer himself couldn't even post it. Sucks for all, since unreleased rarities will remain just that.

I assume that Water Tower Music can't be posted due to being part of Warner Bros?

Or it means you're just two steps away from going to HELL!!!

oh, gotcha. thanx

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The ban covers any music associated with the release, I believe. If Varese licenses a score, they have the rights to it, whether or not they choose to release it. No dvd rip, or unreleased tracks can be posted, since varese still maintains the rights. They can license a score and not release any of it if they want since they hold the rights.
Which sucks, but there it is. Now if someone else gets the rights and puts out the album, it's fair game. Like with the remastered terminator 2. The new album contains the exact same tracks as the varese, but since it is a different label.....

The absolute best way to decide would be to ask an admin about it before posting, I guess.

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It's not really so much murky, as depressing and frustrating. But the studios and labels can do what they want with "their" music. As an example of that. I point out the promo score fot Transformers Prime posted here. Brian Tyler? did the music. He had tracks up on his website. Hasbro which owns the show--and the music--made him take it down. There is no label licensed to produce an album, and there may never be, but the man who did the music in the first place cannot legally post it. Blech.

so then spiderman 3, which has never seen an official score release, is still technically off-limits? oh and what about all the bond scores? they're emi releases. is emi part of riaa?

Ok. Well a mod will point you to the first post, which legally covers the out of bounds music. However, of the large to middle labels, I think only Varese Sarabande and FSM are on the banned list. Plus trailer companies like Two Steps From Hell, and a couple of individual composers. Of course, the Varese ban extends to any of their labels, even the ones they use to release overseas, like Volcano.

so then spiderman 3, which has never seen an official score release, is still technically off-limits?
Since Spider-Man 3 have never been officially released by any label and much less by any of the banned labels, then you are ok to share it on the shrine.



oh and what about all the bond scores? they're emi releases. is emi part of riaa?
Well technically it is illegal to upload/download music that is copyrighted, and EMI is represented by RIAA yes like all of the big music labels, but since the shrine allows you to (illicitly) share music, that ban only takes effect if you share mainstream music by RIAA, outside of the soundtracks, classical music and j-pop genres. Hence why you will never see for example Madonna albums posted on the shrine, but you can see the Spider-man score soundtracks released by Sony or the James Bond albums released by EMI.

Since Spider-Man 3 have never been officially released by any label and much less by any of the banned labels, then you are ok to share it on the shrine.



Well technically it is illegal to upload/download music that is copyrighted, and EMI is represented by RIAA yes like all of the big music labels, but since the shrine allows you to (illicitly) share music, that ban only takes effect if you share mainstream music by RIAA, outside of the soundtracks, classical music and j-pop genres. Hence why you will never see for example Madonna albums posted on the shrine, but you can see the Spider-man score soundtracks released by Sony or the James Bond albums released by EMI.

does anyone know what the labels' views are on fan-made expanded soundtracks?

Those who think "this is technically illegal", should get the hell out. And go back to school. Copyright means just that, it is my right to copy. And under Fair Use doctrines I have the right to share that freely. Infringement only occurs if the original rights owner is somehow intentionally damaged (by deprivation of value, theft of sales, impugning reputation, ect...). Copyright - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright)

Once a rights owner distributes his product for free, that owner cannot prevent continued free sharing. Two Steps From Hell does offer free streaming music at their website. They do still have the right to ask you not to share that music. And you can put it back up again. This action has been upheld in higher courts worldwide more than once. Carefully note that legal defense costs are extremely expensive and have bankrupted more than one 'winner' (notably Veoh vs. Universal Music Veoh Prevails in Universal Music Copyright Lawsuit (http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2009/01/06/veoh-prevails-in-universal-music-copyright-lawsuit/)). Better to just roll over and let the big dogs fight. They don't want our free promotional efforts, fine... we'll devote our efforts to someone that loves music first.

BTW- The Grateful Dead encouraged tapers to come to their live concerts. They only had 2 rules; don't block anyone's view and bring your own extension cords. Today you can find 8,134 free "The Grateful Dead" shows at http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3AGratefulDead They gave away the music and still made millions of dollars. My heroes!

I am not a lawyer. Laws are different everywhere, do not rely on rumour, consult your local attorney.

Aother chapter from the history of Internet links sites...

12 Feb 2010 @ TV-Links.co.uk Case Is Thrown Out Three Years After It Was Shut Down (http://www.worldtvpc.com/blog/tvlinkscouk-case-thrown-years-shut/)
TV-links.co.uk "the biggest and best links site on the internet" was shut down in October 2007 by FACT (Federation Against Copyright Theft) in the UK. Its server was also shut down by the Dutch authorities. In 2010, TV-Links.co.uk won the legal case, 3 years after being shut down.

12 Feb 2010 @ TV-Links Triumphs With Landmark E-Commerce Directive Ruling | TorrentFreak (http://torrentfreak.com/tv-links-triumphs-with-landmark-e-commerce-directive-ruling-100212/)
UK Crown Court Judge Ticehurst ruled in detail that European Commerce Directive 2000: Section 17 indeed applied and afforded TV-Links, as a mere conduit of information, a complete defense to the criminal proceedings brought by FACT (Federation Against Copyright Theft) . The Judge also ruled that the allegations under the Copyright Designs and Patents Act failed because there was no evidence that TV-Links made available to the public the films and shows they linked to. There is no appeal available to FACT against this ruling.

18 Feb 2010 @ TV-links (http://www.futureofcopyright.com/home/blog-post/2010/02/18/tv-links-admins-acquitted-of-all-charges-linking-deemed-mere-conduit.html)
Most interesting about this case is that the Court held that linking can be seen as a form of �mere conduit�. The judge based his ruling on Section 17 of the 2002 Electronic Commerce Directive Regulations (the British implementation of the e-Commerce Directive (2000/31/EC), stating that if a site acts only as an indiscriminate conduit to content searched by users, it cannot be held liable.


Laws are different everywhere, laws change every day, consult your local attorney.


The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
* 2002 No. 2013
* Regulation 17
Mere conduit

17.�(1) Where an information society service is provided which consists of the transmission in a communication network of information provided by a recipient of the service or the provision of access to a communication network, the service provider (if he otherwise would) shall not be liable for damages or for any other pecuniary remedy or for any criminal sanction as a result of that transmission where the service provider�

(a)did not initiate the transmission;
(b)did not select the receiver of the transmission; and
(c)did not select or modify the information contained in the transmission.
(2) The acts of transmission and of provision of access referred to in paragraph (1) include the automatic, intermediate and transient storage of the information transmitted where:
(a)this takes place for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission in the communication network, and
(b)the information is not stored for any period longer than is reasonably necessary for the transmission.
~ The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/2013/regulation/17/made)



"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session."

~Judge Gideon J. Tucker in "Final Accounting in the Estate of A. B." (1866).
Often mistakenly attributed to Mark Twain,who was quite fond of the aphorism and used it freely.

Addendum:
29 May 2011 @ http://torrentfreak.com/fastpasstv-shuts-down-110529/
The links site fastpasstv owner has been arrested in Londonderry, Ireland. �83,000 and computer equipment were seized following an investigation into Internet piracy by the Hollywood-funded Federation Against Copyright Theft (FACT). The owner was released on bail and, to date. no charges have been filed. The site immediately resurrected itself.

Statement from fastpasstv owner(s): Dear users, recently we have had our worst days in the site's history where we seen our domain and servers taken by the authotirities. We have managed to recover the site from our back ups though it might be that some data is still missing, we are however pleased to announce that we managed to recover most of the movies and the tv shows links. We have relaunched the site back on Fast Pass TV - Watch Movies Online Free (http://www.fastpasstv.ms) and are back up and running in full glory! we will do everything in our power to remain online so that we can provide you with the best and fastest videos online!

Noted: A private organization established in 1983, F.A.C.T. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.A.C.T.) has never won a trial case against a free links site. Not even when they participated with police in interrogations and evidence seizures (see: Scopelight (aka: surfthechannel.com) (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090706/1713445461.shtml). How and why did they get such abusive powers? Lawful actions can still result in government harassment. Get out and vote. Don't let big corporations abrogate your rights through government intimidation.

^ Thank you very much !

---------- Post added at 09:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:13 AM ----------It's not really so much murky, as depressing and frustrating. But the studios and labels can do what they want with "their" music. As an example of that. I point out the promo score fot Transformers Prime posted here. Brian Tyler? did the music. He had tracks up on his website. Hasbro which owns the show--and the music--made him take it down. There is no label licensed to produce an album, and there may never be, but the man who did the music in the first place cannot legally post it. Blech.
If you think it is not 'murky', you haven't visited the U.S. Copyright Office website;

- Fair Use - The distinction between fair use and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may ...
more: U.S. Copyright Office - Fair Use (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html)
You are right, it is mostly depressing and frustrating. So sad. RE: Composer Brian Tyler. He can not sell his rights and still keep them... except under the Fair Use doctrine*. Legally he can still post it, and legally Hasbro can have him to take it down. BTW - he put it up again @ http://www.briantyler.com (http://www.briantyler.com/Site/Home.html) and http://www.podsnack.com/playlists/2b609da16b02ff46f680e0510a554863 (or at least part of it is up).


*see: Stanford Copyright & Fair Use - Fair Use (http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/)

I honestly think if people don't want their music downloaded then they don't want business. Everyone knows that if anything piracy help these companies. It gets the name of their company and software out there. Some people release stuff through "illegal" sites on purpose just so people will hear about them knowing some will actually buy their music.

Me personally? I download Game music only because usually you can't find it on a actual CD. I do download "other" music just to see if it is good or not. If its good I buy that particular song on Itunes. There are previews on Itunes and stuff but sometimes the previews can be misleading. >.<

There have always been pirates... before we were pirates... grandpa was a pirate...

Dateline - UK 1964. Unions say records will put musicians out of work. Licensed radio only does live shows. Pop music doesn't get a play.

And then came Radio Caroline, pirate radio is born.

When Pirates Ruled The Airwaves is a great historical telling of how pop music got to the UK masses. Bill Nighy tells the story of how a group of mavericks made radio what it is today and in the process changed the entire landscape of British radio. It's a tale involving glamour, tragedy and political struggle - and all set to a soundtrack of the best music of the era.

Ripped from Smooth Radio, April 2009
Duration: 1 hour 30 mins
Reader: Bill Nighy
Quality: 192kbps
Size: 124 Mb
Format: mp3
http://hotfile.com/dl/97913955/604cb22/WPiratesRuledAirwaves.rar.html
Today, Radio Caroline can be heard on Sky Radio Channel 0199 and via Radio Caroline (http://www.radiocaroline.co.uk)

wow thanks burn

Those who think "this is technically illegal", should get the hell out. And go back to school. Copyright means just that, it is my right to copy. And under Fair Use doctrines I have the right to share that freely. Infringement only occurs if the original rights owner is somehow intentionally damaged (by deprivation of value, theft of sales, impugning reputation, ect...). Copyright - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright)

Once a rights owner distributes his product for free, that owner cannot prevent continued free sharing. Two Steps From Hell does offer free streaming music at their website. They do still have the right to ask you not to share that music. And you can put it back up again. This action has been upheld in higher courts worldwide more than once. Carefully note that legal defense costs are extremely expensive and have bankrupted more than one 'winner' (notably Veoh vs. Universal Music Veoh Prevails in Universal Music Copyright Lawsuit (http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2009/01/06/veoh-prevails-in-universal-music-copyright-lawsuit/)). Better to just roll over and let the big dogs fight. They don't want our free promotional efforts, fine... we'll devote our efforts to someone that loves music first.

BTW- The Grateful Dead encouraged tapers to come to their live concerts. They only had 2 rules; don't block anyone's view and bring your own extension cords. Today you can find 8,134 free "The Grateful Dead" shows at Internet Archive Search: collection:GratefulDead (http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3AGratefulDead) They gave away the music and still made millions of dollars. My heroes!

I am not a lawyer. Laws are different everywhere, do not rely on rumour, consult your local attorney.



Yes indeed one set of laws varies from one country to another yet the main principle remains and that's to protect the interests of the innocents and maintain fairness and equality. thanks for sharing what you know about it, I learned something from it.. :)

Way to go on that research burn. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-thumb-up-045.gif

Thanks for the encouragement. You are all too kind.

If you are concerned about your kids, Internet copyright issues, and need to learn more...
see: Welcome | Teaching Copyright (http://www.teachingcopyright.org/)

<table border=2 bordercolor=green><tbody><tr><td>EFF's Teaching Copyright curriculum was created to help teachers present the laws surrounding digital rights in a balanced way. In five distinct lessons, students are challenged to:

Reflect on what they already know about copyright law.
See the connection between the history of innovation and the history of copyright law.
Learn about fair use, free speech, and the public domain and how those concepts relate to using materials created by others.
Experience various stakeholders' interests and master the principles of fair use through a mock trial.

Teaching Copyright will require your students to think about their role in the online world and provide them with the legal framework they need to make informed choices about their online behavior.

http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx353/burn_eggroll/90ef42aa.gif (http://www.teachingcopyright.org/curriculum/hs)
Welcome | Teaching Copyright (http://www.teachingcopyright.org/)
</td></tr></tbody></table>These are free lessons & lesson plans designed by The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) for educating teens. The language is plain spoken. I think the complete presentation takes about 6 hours.

Those who think "this is technically illegal", should get the hell out. And go back to school. Copyright means just that, it is my right to copy. And under Fair Use doctrines I have the right to share that freely. Infringement only occurs if the original rights owner is somehow intentionally damaged (by deprivation of value, theft of sales, impugning reputation, ect...). Copyright - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright)

Once a rights owner distributes his product for free, that owner cannot prevent continued free sharing. Two Steps From Hell does offer free streaming music at their website. They do still have the right to ask you not to share that music. And you can put it back up again. This action has been upheld in higher courts worldwide more than once. Carefully note that legal defense costs are extremely expensive and have bankrupted more than one 'winner' (notably Veoh vs. Universal Music Veoh Prevails in Universal Music Copyright Lawsuit (http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2009/01/06/veoh-prevails-in-universal-music-copyright-lawsuit/)). Better to just roll over and let the big dogs fight. They don't want our free promotional efforts, fine... we'll devote our efforts to someone that loves music first.

BTW- The Grateful Dead encouraged tapers to come to their live concerts. They only had 2 rules; don't block anyone's view and bring your own extension cords. Today you can find 8,134 free "The Grateful Dead" shows at Internet Archive Search: collection:GratefulDead (http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3AGratefulDead) They gave away the music and still made millions of dollars. My heroes!

I am not a lawyer. Laws are different everywhere, do not rely on rumour, consult your local attorney.

Strange, at the moment I am not relaxed, because of personal things going on right now at home. Other than that, I should not get into this. Correct, correct, correct... etc. I love film music. People will not make music, as I hear it contained within a film available. Therefore, I seek out complete scores, wherever I find them. Please, forward your concern to those who have this music and refuse to make it available. I am but a lowly citizen, powerless to get what I want. Perhaps you can take the concern of people such as I, to those with the power of the complete score. Your help would be greatly appreciated...

"... Help me get my complete scores !!! Bou hou hou"

:ohgod:

:D

:D

Who authorized the release of this photo of me shamelessly begging for all sessions tapes to be released???

... And actually the rarity of this kind of stuff makes them more valuable, not mentionning they are rarely processed to death like the official releases use to be (mastering, peak limiting, compression, and so on!). So on the contrary of you, I pray for they don't release something I'd love to have for being able to find unprocessed bootleg. And if sometimes I don't have other choice than mp3 instead of lossless, well then.

I listen more often the "Bourne Supremacy" mp3 bootleg than my copy from Varese (wich has compressed and cut off waveform, what is obvious even without checking).

... And actually the rarity of this kind of stuff makes them more valuable, not mentionning they are rarely processed to death like the official releases use to be (mastering, peak limiting, compression, and so on!). So on the contrary of you, I pray for they don't release something I'd love to have for being able to find unprocessed bootleg. And if sometimes I don't have other choice than mp3 instead of lossless, well then.

I listen more often the "Bourne Supremacy" mp3 bootleg than my copy from Varese (wich has compressed and cut off waveform, what is obvious even without checking).

This is what I enjoy about all of you here. The above information on mastering, peak limits and compression is interesting and informs a mere lay person such as I, to the means of delivery I never considered. Hell, I've downloaded without understanding how I've been receiving the final product. I have pretty good ears, but I've not really noticed I've been downloading inferior sound. With all the talent here, people should get together and offer companies your service in releasing clean, listenable music.

That's what every one concerned with the evolution of sound recording since digital technology popped up calls "the loudness war".

My experience and take on this says a well managed mastering has great chances to blow away the common "blast it up" treatment recording companies are searching for.


... With all the talent here, people should get together and offer companies your service in releasing clean, listenable music.

Let's don't get too naive: most of these people (and notably the biggest companies) don't care and seek the cheapest and the fastest. Where digital technology allows real improvement, it also unfortunaly allows looseness. They rarely offer their sound engineers the ideal conditions for making good job.

Catering to the pop masses is completely different than the audiophile ear. If you love the native sound of live music don't miss these copyright-free postings:

http://www.archive.org/

<table><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: left;">Live Music Archive (http://www.archive.org/details/etree)
<nobr>94,130 concerts</nobr></td><td style="text-align: right;">Browse (http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator)
<nobr>(by band)</nobr></td></tr></tbody></table>

You're incredible... And that site looks incredible. The first thing I randomly checked (wich I don't know about) is downloadable as... 24-bit Flac !!!
(perfect for mastering stuff yourself if needed ;-) ).

Really amazing. Thanks ! :)




... copyright-free...

I'm not english hence why I ask: isn't it rather "copyleft" ?

That's what every one concerned with the evolution of sound recording since digital technology popped up calls "the loudness war".

My experience and take on this says a well managed mastering has great chances to blow away the common "blast it up" treatment recording companies are searching for.



Let's don't get too naive: most of these people (and notably the biggest companies) don't care and seek the cheapest and the fastest. Where digital technology allows real improvement, it also unfortunaly allows looseness. They rarely offer their sound engineers the ideal conditions for making good job.

Interesting Arial... saying that, let me say, this is how I've gone about obtaining a few scores. From the dvd (decrypter) and demux, I go to Adobe once I capture the AC3 file. Several times, I've been able to get the music tracks. Trying it now with Bond scores, but unfortunately the French 5.1 has effects. Using this method, after placing file in Adobe, I now have a direct from dvd file. This way I need not do anything else to file (sound) to have a better product...or do I?

I'm not involved with riping audio from DVD, I'm not very interested so I don't know (not the best thread for that discussion besides).


... Trying it now with Bond scores, but unfortunately the French 5.1 has effects...

... Pas de bol !

{redacted}I'm not english hence why I ask: isn't it rather "copyleft" ?Very good! Copyleft has no legal meaning. But, yes that is the concept. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft

Meanwhile I'm wondering if this applies to music?
Observance #1: the movie with the most free download links is the top dollar box office smash. The more free links the movie has, the more more likely the movie is making money. Lots of links = lots of sales; tickets, dvd, blu-ray, on-demand.
Observance #2: movies with no free links, are not selling very well, nobody is watching.

So, is the number of free links directly related to how many sales? Could free links be promoting sales?


Side note: Microsoft gave away free release copies of Windows 7 to anyone that wanted one. They did this for a year before they ever sold one. Anybody that thinks the best marketing strategy is; "No, no. You can only get it by paying for it here." will be left behind when it's time to count the money.

Haha... Indeed I though of the word play and indeed... it has no meaning...



http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/craigrodney/jl1hJsTzIiG62BoUWmRielIZSRBVKxQm1UNoqC57O04GlJgzf1 FexRRF1JeD/copyleft.jpg

Side note: Microsoft gave away free release copies of Windows 7 to anyone that wanted one. They did this for a year before they ever sold one.
And how soon we forget. Was in the market last year to upgrade to win7. Discovered a link and discovered...I missed the freebee by a week...

I'm surprised the RIAA isn't casing this joint 24/7 since they are a bunch of nazi assholes. Then again they very well could be and probably are.

they probably are, but since most of our stuff is niche, and gets 50-100 dls, its not taht big of interest compared to the latest lady gaga crap that is on pirate bay getting 100k downloads

MM. The labels watch. We know for a fact that Varese had spies here, at least for a while, and FSM is well aware of us. And while most may leave us alone, I gotta think calling them names and being confrontational is perhaps not the best way to keep it that way. You know, why poke the tiger in the eye, if it aint messing with ya?

<table border=5 bordercolor=purple bgcolor=#D2B9D3><tbody><tr><td>I'm with babydoll on this. There are plenty of extremely talented musicians that deserve and would appreciate our support.

Much as I like to poke the bear, I would hate to get fish slapped.

http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx353/burn_eggroll/d2c4974c.gif</td><td>and it's a big bear...
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx353/burn_eggroll/867449ff.gif</td></tr></tbody></table>

Off topic news;

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Grammy-winning singer Amy Winehouse, age 27, has died.
Goodbye Amy, we hardly knew you.
May you find the peace you sought here, in the next world.
Amy Winehouse - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=Amy+Winehouse)</td></tr></tbody></table>

MM. The labels watch. We know for a fact that Varese had spies here, at least for a while, and FSM is well aware of us. And while most may leave us alone, I gotta think calling them names and being confrontational is perhaps not the best way to keep it that way. You know, why poke the tiger in the eye, if it aint messing with ya?

i agree with babydoll.

i bet they still have spies here.

it makes me super paranoid about who i talk to.

MM. The labels watch. We know for a fact that Varese had spies here, at least for a while, and FSM is well aware of us. And while most may leave us alone, I gotta think calling them names and being confrontational is perhaps not the best way to keep it that way. You know, why poke the tiger in the eye, if it aint messing with ya?

I'm against poking any feline...

They don't care what I say. Who am I just some dude on a message form. I used to hug my cat alot.

For the movie The Expendables, the owning company hired peeps to monitor popular torrent sites to see what was being shared.
A lot of IP addresses in the USA got subpoenas and will be facing piracy charges...


That's just for the movie The Expendables.
...for now.

So spies among us?
I wouldn't doubt.
How many spammy posts showed up recently with just one comment "thank you guys" from a new user with no posts made in the past couple months????

I very rarely download movies, especially anything new, but if I do, I never ever use torrents. Way too damn risky. Better to find someone sharing it via megaupload, then try to snag it before it gets taken down. But like I said, I um... ahem.... wouldn't know anything about stuff like that.

Some links on The Expendables and the lawsuit for expendable torrenters...
(USA only, so far)

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/93391/uscgs-expendables-case-to-target-23322-bittorrent-users/
http://torrentfreak.com/23322-expendables-downloaders-accused-in-bittorrents-biggest-lawsuit-110510/
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/05/bittorrent-lawsuit-checker/

Who's to say they'll stop at The Expendables?

Yet another reason why I stay the hell away from movie torrents.

This is being described as a landmark judgement...

BBC News - BT ordered to block pirate links (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14322957)

BT is the major service provider in the UK. Once movies are taken care of, music will follow...

i am scared shitless when i read about this stuff.

and of all the movies to get busted for....

it wasn't THAT good

This is being described as a landmark judgement...
BBC News - BT ordered to block pirate links (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14322957)
BT is the major service provider in the UK. Once movies are taken care of, music will follow...
Thanks for the report. It is a huge decision. But, the actual headline is: BT ordered to block links to Newzbin 2 website.

In his ruling, Mr Justice Arnold stated: "In my judgment it follows that BT has actual knowledge of other persons using its service to infringe copyright: it knows that the users and operators of Newzbin 2 infringe copyright on a large scale, and in particular infringe the copyrights of the studios in large numbers of their films and television programmes." Newsbin2 is the target of a criminal prosecution. The government claims to have a former Newsbin2 employee that will testify the site paid employees to upload infringing material. That is morally, ethically, and criminally different than doing it just for the love of the arts. Newsbin2 has moved it's new site outside of the UK court's jurisdiction.

BT has already raised a number of questions about the ruling, including who will pick up the bill for blocking to be implemented. The court will re-convene in October to decide how the blocking should be done.
<hr>
More News on Copyright Decisions
27 July 2011
Lucas loses Star Wars copyright case at Supreme Court
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14287864 : A prop designer who made the original Stormtrooper helmets for Star Wars has won his battle with director George Lucas over his right to sell replicas.

My view of what happened: The case began with a US court ruling that the costume sales were infringing and US sales were stopped. When it turned out that Andrew Ainsworth had no US assets, the case moved to the UK. The UK court has ruled the copyright protection for movie props (15 years) had expired and Ainsworth is entitled to sell his replicas.

Another fine example of "legal & illegal... at the same time."

With regards to the "prohibited publishers list" - does that mean that you can't upload/link to any score for a film which those publishers have released (for example the Die Hard Complete Score bootleg)?

Or is it just the "prohibited publisher"'s release (e.g. the Varese Club Die Hard score) that you're prevented from linking to?

I assume the Die Hard Complete Score Bootleg has music that was released on the Varese release, so you can't post that. Well, you could if you removed the music that's also on the Varese release.

Ah yes, I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for the clarification. :)

edit: No AIRWOLF THEMES

ouch ^^

I've asked nicely (twice) by email for all Commodore 64 music albums to be removed and been ignored, apparently. Your stated excuse for publishing much of this stuff is that it's too expensive, or not readily available.

Well, we're the record label for most of the Commodore 64 music CDs on the site, and I'm the artist too for some of them) and publisher for much of the music.

We've got a record label @ C64Audio.com - the Commodore 64 Music Record Label (http://www.c64audio.com) that's fairly priced and generous, the tracks is available on most MP3 shops, we've bent over backwards to make that accessible to all, and there are free C64 tracks to download at RKO: The Def Guide to C64 MP3 remakes. I bet you can't do this on a SID. (http://remix.kwed.org), and a radio station @ :: SLAY Radio - News :: (http://www.slayradio.org) that are published with our blessing.

I'm not going to editorialise about this: I'm just going to request - again - that you remove links all albums which feature music which shouldn't be here (labels: C64Audio.com, Press Play on Tape, Prevue Productions):

"Back in Time"
"Back in Time 2"
"Back in Time 3"
"Karma 64"
"Nexus 6581"
"Nexus 6581 II"
"It's Binary Baby"
"Run/Stop Restore"
"Loading, Ready, Run"
"Remix 64"
"Remix 64 - Into Eternity"
"Remix 64 - Syntax Era"
"Rakbit"
"Immortal 2"
"Immortal 3"
"Immortal 4"

Chris Abbott
C64Audio.com

thank you

So, the server today wasn't reachable not for a simple technical reason ? :/

http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/they-wont-stay-dead-music-soundtrack-night-94901/2.html#post1928134

Never heard of a legal entity called tko45... lol.

The procedure is clear. If you are genuine, which I sincerely doubt, you must contact the admins.

This is just the action of a troll.

The latest link in the thread is STILL active by the way.

ok sara

Are Jeff Beal's "Carniv�le" unreleased scores (additional season 1 + season 2) is allowed over here? Have they already been posted? If not, I can share them.

Is FSM stuff still prohibited? Didn't they go under?

They are closing shop asa label, yes. But I think their stuff is still banned. It is an interesting question though. My understanding is that Lucas will be working on other projects, so I actually can see him causing more trouble in the future. As in anything he works on being banned....

Damn, was gonna make a mega Supes thread, oh well...

I've heard one or two out there in the different threads say "Remove that! It's Varese". The link goes to nothing else than a complete version of the music from the same film that Varese has made a release of. Let me give you my take on this:

These are the scores disqualified because Varese has released the music in some form (not necessarily what is uploaded here)

All Alien scores and Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (since Varese has released a DVD called Alien: A Biomechanical Symphony, which presents music from all four original Alien films and also Brian Tyler�s Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem)

All Conan Scores (even the newly released Prometheus complete scores since Varese released both Conan the Barbarian and the Destroyer before that)

Any versions of The Matrix

The 25 track version of Escape from New York since Varese released a 13 track version of it earlier

The Silva Screen 14 track version of The Fog since Varese released an 8 track version of it earlier

All previous versions of Bernard Herrmann's North by Northwest since Varese released their version of that as well

The Perseverance 16 track version of Red Sonja by Morricone since Varese released a 2 track version of it long ago

John Barry's Somewhere in Time since Varese did a re-recording of that


And... following that reasoning, a lot of what is linked to here should be removed because it has a remote connection to Varese.

I sincerely hope that you people out there can understand irony ;) what i'm getting at is that, sure, i can understand and accept that we are not allowed to post links to Varese releases. But, if i rip an isolated score, that score has nothing to do with Varese. It's my rip, not a Varese release. And this goes for a lot of what is linked to in this forum as well. Sure, they have the music from the same film that Varese released music to, but it's not a Varese release.

To keep it short, not much here is legal then, is it? ;) and the conclusion: i will not remove any of my links because i do not link to Varese stuff.

Open for discussion...

They are closing shop asa label, yes. But I think their stuff is still banned. It is an interesting question though. My understanding is that Lucas will be working on other projects, so I actually can see him causing more trouble in the future. As in anything he works on being banned....

Well in that case a lot of La La Land and Intrada stuff would be banned as well because he has production credits on a lot of those now. I think the individual labels would have to make their own requests though to get it banned.

I've heard one or two out there in the different threads say "Remove that! It's Varese". The link goes to nothing else than a complete version of the music from the same film that Varese has made a release of. Let me give you my take on this:

These are the scores disqualified because Varese has released the music in some form (not necessarily what is uploaded here)

All Alien scores and Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (since Varese has released a DVD called Alien: A Biomechanical Symphony, which presents music from all four original Alien films and also Brian Tyler’s Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem)

All Conan Scores (even the newly released Prometheus complete scores since Varese released both Conan the Barbarian and the Destroyer before that)

Any versions of The Matrix

The 25 track version of Escape from New York since Varese released a 13 track version of it earlier

The Silva Screen 14 track version of The Fog since Varese released an 8 track version of it earlier

All previous versions of Bernard Herrmann's North by Northwest since Varese released their version of that as well

The Perseverance 16 track version of Red Sonja by Morricone since Varese released a 2 track version of it long ago

John Barry's Somewhere in Time since Varese did a re-recording of that


And... following that reasoning, a lot of what is linked to here should be removed because it has a remote connection to Varese.

I sincerely hope that you people out there can understand irony ;) what i'm getting at is that, sure, i can understand and accept that we are not allowed to post links to Varese releases. But, if i rip an isolated score, that score has nothing to do with Varese. It's my rip, not a Varese release. And this goes for a lot of what is linked to in this forum as well. Sure, they have the music from the same film that Varese released music to, but it's not a Varese release.

To keep it short, not much here is legal then, is it? ;) and the conclusion: i will not remove any of my links because i do not link to Varese stuff.

Open for discussion...

No discussion needed. Sanico ( a mod), has said very, very clearly that if Varese releases a score, and no label releases after that, then NO part of that score can be posted. No dvd rips, no promos, no iso scores, nothing. That is how the mods have put it, for the time being. Of course, you can put stuff up. But if someone reports it to the mods, it MAY get taken down. Depending on their take on it.

I guess bottom line is that you don't get to discuss whether or not you wanna follow the rules. They is what they is.

---------- Post added at 03:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:09 PM ----------


Well in that case a lot of La La Land and Intrada stuff would be banned as well because he has production credits on a lot of those now. I think the individual labels would have to make their own requests though to get it banned.

Agreed. Just curious about what may happen. If FSM as a company is gone, does the ban still hold?

Just to clarify, does this include soundtracks by smaller, unknown or boutique labels that may be distributed by major labels or distributors? Does this include soundtracks released by major labels or distributors overseas but smaller or unknown labels stateside?

I have a Nice Jerry and its at "Silver Age Classic" but on the Back Cover is "Twentieth Century Fox" Can I Post it "open" or I had to put "P.M ME" ( I start to be lost with all those companies )
Thank in Advance !!!

Sounds like it's an FSM (Film Score Monthly) release and a no-no

http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/music-may-not-posted-legal-reasons-49829/#post969395

Here's a list of all their releases:

Film Score Monthly: CDs Text View (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/list.cfm?sortby=c&sortdir=2)

Yes Calidoran is in the list of Jerry...so P.M. ????

according to the forum rules... yes

Thank my Friend for your good Advice !!!

MY GOD!!!! That's a shame :(

Nevertheless thanks for the advise :)

I have a Nice Jerry and its at "Silver Age Classic" but on the Back Cover is "Twentieth Century Fox" Can I Post it "open" or I had to put "P.M ME" ( I start to be lost with all those companies )
Thank in Advance !!!

I am sure it's already been posted before anyways.

Which one is it?

how many post before i can post PM to someone

how many post before i can post PM to someone


The official number is 5 but it can take up to 6 or 7 before the forum enables it.

all trailer music or just from two steps from hell albums????

Please, send me a PM with the OST (in lossless or mp3) D:!
(Thanks for sharing!)

I do have some concerns, if anyone would be kind enough to explain things to me.. I wanted to download 17 discs of Tim Burton movie scores that someone posted. A friend told me about it, and I do love Danny Elfman's music quite a bit, but my concerns lie with legal issues. I'd really appreciate it if someone would reply to this post or pm me. Thanks ^_^

I do have some concerns, if anyone would be kind enough to explain things to me.. I wanted to download 17 discs of Tim Burton movie scores that someone posted. A friend told me about it, and I do love Danny Elfman's music quite a bit, but my concerns lie with legal issues. I'd really appreciate it if someone would reply to this post or pm me. Thanks ^_^ If you need to ask, don't do it until you understand the basic concept of Copyright (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright), and have consulted your local attorney(s). Laws are different everywhere. Copyright is a complex and controversial topic.

Ethically, it's a bit like dating your sister's best friend - is it right or wrong? - what will your mother think? - and will anyone get hurt?

Ethically, it's a bit like dating your sister's best friend - is it right or wrong? - what will your mother think? - and will anyone get hurt?

... Depending on the country it happens: South Africa, England, China, or Peru... not the same consequences... Hahaha !

...how or why the bloody fuck cant people post music from bioshock AND RE?
what madness is this??

...how or why the bloody fuck cant people post music from bioshock AND RE?
what madness is this?? You mean like they have a handicap? Because the rights holders asked nicely that they not be posted. If you are the rights holder you can do that. FFS does facilitate private sharing. Maybe somebody could send me some of that stuff, I never heard of it.

There are two schools of thought regarding free shares. 1). it steals sales, or 2). it promotes sales.

The most-read Portuguese fiction author in all of history, Paulo Coelho's Official Website (http://paulocoelho.com/) has published his works free online in 17 languages. Sales are up. He is now one of the top 10 best-selling authors in the world. I've heard of him. I tell people about him.

The Grateful Dead encouraged concert goers to tape their shows. They had only two rules; 1). don't block anyone's view, and 2). bring your own extension cords. They became millionaires and have the world's largest free musical catalog online, with over 2,000 concerts at Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free Books, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine (http://www.archive.org) I'll still buy their music, and you should too.

Wow ! I forgot about that site ! Just found an outstanding sounding concert capture of Godspeed You Black Emperor !!! Thanks for the reminder burneggroll !

Now you've got to get a huge knowledge of all the bands for finding your style. �o�

Is Hans Zimmer on this list?

Is Hans Zimmer on this list?The answer to your question is probably Yes, No, Maybe. Depends on individual song. He has a bigger back catalog than the Beatles. Search FFS for Hans Zimmer gives 216 results. Some productions are in the public domain: Internet Archive Search: Hans Zimmer (http://archive.org/search.php?query=Hans+Zimmer) (Noted: in the EU, live performances cannot be copyrighted.) Give it a go. He's a great listen.

You should ask him. But, he probably doesn't know. Songs written while he worked at Disney, were probably owned by Disney. Copyrights for the over 100 movie soundtracks were probably held by the individual movie companies, or maybe the distributors.

The answer to your question is probably Yes, No, Maybe.
O'rly? Probably so?

Noted: in the EU, live performances cannot be copyrighted.
O'rly? Well, they can prohibit filming. Happened last Rock in Rio Lisboa. Limp Bizkit and Metallica allowed a TV channel (SIC Radical, I think) to show them live, Linkin Park didn't. I remember it for that. They can at least do that and if they can I doubt their own commercial recording would be up for grabs and free to share by anyone who bought it and ripped.

Also, Paulo Coelho is brazilian. Though he does write in Portuguese, if that's what you meant. Some semblance of it, anyway, brazilian form mangles the language.
It's ironic you should point him out as an example of free sharing, coupled with the irony of this book of his I randomly picked out of my shelf, in which half of the initial info - before the story proper - is about copyrights and the prohibition of any fathomable form of copying, either for public or private use. Not that I think it's the odd case rather than the rule, but it happens to be the first book in which I see it stated in this detail.

@ Banzay: Thanks for updating my memory. Yours is a fine addition to the controversy. Yeah, many concerts prohibit recording devices. Just because an item is in the Public Domain doesn't mean you can't get your ass sued. I thought it was Metallica that objected to free sharing. Yes, Coelho is Brazilian, and his publisher does oppose his free sharing.

Sometimes i just wish to be a mod of this place.
you can become a mod just you will have to give a nice treat to all the members here on this forum here

I have not found any restriction as to label Kritzerland.
Continues so?

Thank you,
Isaias Caetano

I would like some clarification on something.

The rule stipulate that nothing from Varese is allowed on here. Okay, so does that mean that I can post up a thread and if anyone wants the link they can PM me, and that is alright? Or is the simple act of posting a thread with information on it and offering the link a violation of the rules as well?

I've seen a few threads where the links are not included and you have to contact the OP to get it, and I was wondering if that was the loophole that allows us to still share the music.

I'm asking because I have the soundtrack to Carnivale (former HBO series) and according to the Amazon page it's put out by Varese Sarabande (label wise).

I was going to post it and just have people PM me for the link if interested, but I don't want to cause problems.

Thanks a lot!

Yeah you can create a thread for those labels, but you can't post links openly on the forum.

I search the score from Mark Isham Stolen

Yeah you can create a thread for those labels, but you can't post links openly on the forum.

Thank you for your help. Soundtrack is now posted (link to thread in my sig).