Part for nostalgic reasons and part because the Forum Mod said certain posts will get deleted soon (probably).
The only problem is, I haven't got the slightest idea how to do that.
Anyone keen on helping out? Pretty please!

What's getting purged? Anime, Film & Video Game Music Discussion has some content in need of preserving if it's going down.

the Forum Mod said certain posts will get deleted soon (probably).

Who what now?

Anyway, if you want to export threads, just go to 1000-post-per-page view and download each page as HTML files. You won't get any images that way though.

Who what now?

Anyway, if you want to export threads, just go to 1000-post-per-page view and download each page as HTML files. You won't get any images that way though.

Export as MHT with Opera or the Firefox extension and you get pretty much everything.

What's getting purged? Anime, Film & Video Game Music Discussion has some content in need of preserving if it's going down.


Who what now?

Anyway, if you want to export threads, just go to 1000-post-per-page view and download each page as HTML files. You won't get any images that way though.

I'm talking about this statement (Thread 215390). And obviously it's the custom covers thread I'm trying to preserve, preferably including the cover artworks.

How do I access the 1000-post-per-view?

I've tried my luck - before the downtime - with a tool called HTTrack, but it ran for fucking 58 hours and wasn't nearly done. So that's not really an option.


Export as MHT with Opera or the Firefox extension and you get pretty much everything.

Thanks, I'll look into it.

I'm talking about this statement (Thread 215390). And obviously it's the custom covers thread I'm trying to preserve, preferably including the cover artworks.
Hm. You kind of took that out of context, so to speak. That post of mine was referring to artwork/custom covers including material belonging to Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation, which has been recently added to the list of forbidden stuff (Thread 49829). Granted, I personally don't care about that thread, but I'm not the kind of moderator which acts without a reason.

What about this (Thread 215390) statement of yours?


In case the section does get nuked, custom covers and big orchestral action threads would be likely to go down with it, as far as I'm concerned.

That sounds to me as if the whole thread might disappear sooner or later.

What about this (Thread 215390) statement of yours?



That sounds to me as if the whole thread might disappear sooner or later.
Sigh.

1) We're on a piracy-driven forum, the whole place may go down at every moment (including that thread).

2) That's an hypothetical scenario, at least for the time being. Personally speaking, I would delete right now both Film/TV forums, over the years "they" have been sources of issues, plus, things are going to get worse the longer Shrine sticks around: one day companies like Intrada, Lala, Disney, etcetera will knock at our door and demand we put a stop to the share of their releases. They will get added to the forbidden list, eventually (if they don't up and close the place).

What are we going to do when that happens, huh? What's the use of keeping a forum where you can no longer post anything? What I meant is that we might have to delete the whole Film/TV part, at some point, along with everything ever posted there. It would be far more efficient and quicker than deleting every "no-longer-allowed" thread separately.

Sigh.

1) We're on a piracy-driven forum, the whole place may go down at every moment (including that thread).

2) That's an hypothetical scenario, at least for the time being. Personally speaking, I would delete right now both Film/TV forums, over the years "they" have been sources of issues, plus, things are going to get worse the longer Shrine sticks around: one day companies like Intrada, Lala, Disney, etcetera will knock at our door and demand we put a stop to the share of their releases. They will get added to the forbidden list, eventually (if they don't up and close the place).

What are we going to do when that happens, huh? What's the use of keeping a forum where you can no longer post anything? What I meant is that we might have to delete the whole Film/TV part, at some point, along with everything ever posted there. It would be far more efficient and quicker than deleting every "no-longer-allowed" thread separately.

I feel that I have to chime in here. To me it appears that you liken things that might happen to things that will happen. Forgive me, but that's a pretty negative point of view. Why then does the owner not go ahead and delete the Film/TV part now if there is so much fear about hypothetical things?

Wait, Leon, you're still serious about removing custom covers of Fox movies?

You're seriously out of your mind.

I feel that I have to chime in here. To me it appears that you liken things that might happen to things that will happen. Forgive me, but that's a pretty negative point of view. Why then does the owner not go ahead and delete the Film/TV part now if there is so much fear about hypothetical things?
I have no reason to be positive about this kind of stuff, speaking from experience… Besides, by assuming the worst one often ends up saving himself from disappointment later on.
I've seen the legal scythe get rid of places much smaller than the Shrine (the amount of niche music shared on those places was nowhere close to the Shrine's); to speak the truth, it puzzles me that this place is still standing after all this time. I mean, it's kind of well known as the place you should go to, if you want the most recent game/anime/movie music releases.

I honestly don't know what goes through the owner's head, never spoke to her about this kind of "Shrine business". I honestly don't know what to think, I have a hard time believing that this place survives simply because it sticks to music (and certain kinds of music, too), other smaller communities weren't so lucky… And there were no ISOs, movies, softwares, or cracks… Merely anime-related soundtracks and singles.


Wait, Leon, you're still serious about removing custom covers of Fox movies?

You're seriously out of your mind.
The artwork used in the albums' packaging/booklet(s)/movies' stills/whatever else you use might belong to them, or reference material owned by them; given that nothing is allowed, do the math, Ponyo.

Either Sarah speaks more clearly about what is forbidden by that ban, or I'm left with following to the letter that statement. Do you want me to leave them? Fine, folks, but you better not come whining if 20th Century Fox does show up again and becomes more serious.

I feel that I have to chime in here. To me it appears that you liken things that might happen to things that will happen. Forgive me, but that's a pretty negative point of view.

Not necessarily negative - realistic. Some people - like you, I guess - like to really push the envelope as much as they can before getting their heads chopped off completely by the annoyed powers that be. That's where the "PM me for a link to this Varese release" threads came from, and it didn't end up working, did it? Varese came back a second time and flipped their shit. Even though we followed their written word - no posting of links - that didn't stop them from (rightfully) returning. This issue came up just now in another thread. (Thread 30368) Sure, Fox never spelled out that they didn't want links of Searchlight Pictures productions on this site, but it's not like we stand on any ground to challenge them on that.
LSK's job is to maintain the site's wellbeing, and for that to happen, he needs to anticipate the worst-case scenarios. I think that, if push came to shove, then he would like to preserve at least a little bit of the website at the cost of only the shitstain film music section - the source of nearly 100% of the Shrine's woes, both legal and domestic. If Sarah were to actually visit the Shrine more frequently I wonder if she would agree that that section is a headache not worth preserving.

Okay, maybe it is a negative point of view. That doesn't mean it isn't a rational one.

I didn't want to refuel this heated discussion all over again.

@Leon Scott Kennedy: You do a wonderful job moderating this snakepit of a forum. I'm sure it's no joy to deal with lunatics like us and nuking the whole download-section might seem like the best solution from your pov.

("I'd say we take off and nuke the site from orbit... it's the only way to be sure")

But it's no wonder if members start to become a bit worried after a statement like yours. You casually indiciated that certain posts might eventually vanish, that's nothing to joke about ;) If a random user is pondering about the board's future, I don't pay much attention. But if a moderator is doing it, someone who potentially has the rights to do it as of right now, my alarm bell goes off.

Anyhow I now have found a solution for myself in preserving the CC thread. I've displayed the thread with the string &pp=1000 and then saved the remaining pages (16) as PDF.

LSK's job is to maintain the site's wellbeing, and for that to happen, he needs to anticipate the worst-case scenarios. I think that, if push came to shove, then he would like to preserve at least a little bit of the website at the cost of only the shitstain film music section - the source of nearly 100% of the Shrine's woes, both legal and domestic.

I never questioned the decision to remove Fox or Varese (in fact, I happily obliged by asking to delete threads I myself started). I also never questioned LSK's job, far from it. I've just said that his viewpoint was more than a tad negative. Different things.

But should the sharing part be such a problem, it needs to be removed. Brutal but simple, a permanent solution. This wouldn't be nice to many people but I also don't want other people to get into legal troubles just so that I can have fun.

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Just don't casually indiciate that certain posts might eventually vanish. Make clear announcements or discuss it internal beforehand if you're not sure.

And also that.

I didn't want to refuel this heated discussion all over again.

@Leon Scott Kennedy: You do a wonderful job moderating this snakepit of a forum. I'm sure it's no joy to deal with lunatics like us and nuking the whole download-section might seem like the best solution from your pov.

("I'd say we take off and nuke the site from orbit... it's the only way to be sure")

But don't be surprised if members start to become a bit worried when you put out a statement like yours. Just don't casually indiciate that certain posts might eventually vanish. Make clear announcements or discuss it internal beforehand if you're not sure. If some user is pondering about the board's future, I don't pay much attention. But if a moderator is doing it, someone who potentially has the rights to do it as of right now, my alarm bells goes off.

Anyhow I now have found a solution for myself in preserving the CC thread. So this topic can just as well be closed.
Oh? I shouldn't? Really?!

Did you seriously say that?

Again, what most of us are doing here is illegal, heidl. Our "activity" has attracted attention of various companies/copyright owners and will likely draw the attention of others, in the future. My statement is that scary because of the role I currently have?! Sorry, but I call bullshit on that.

Look, I'm going to be honest (and a bit harsh, probably):

-Jessie, an administrator, has agreed with me in a thread that Film, TV, etcetera should be closed… The thread was even here in General Discussion, if I recall corectly, but the "nuke Film/TV topic" has never been touched again, aside from that single instance (neither in the Staff Room);
- The most recent entry in the "forbidden material list", 20th Century Fox, kind of gave us quite a workload moderation-wise… I'm having troubles keeping up, even with all the threads/links users already reported (thanks again for that, by the way);
- I had considered bringing up Film/TV's fate to the other Staff members and I made the most active users aware of my plans, but that ship sailed when the Shrine went down (yeah, yeah, part of me hoped it remained closed… No problems admitting that).

I'm going to state this again: this is a piracy-driven community, you should have been scared/started to save what you cared about the moment you joined, because it can all get wiped out by legal authorities at any moment, the chance that the staff of the Shrine might decide to delete parts of the community is seriously the last of your concerns, taking into account the bigger picture.
As long as there are "records" of illegal activity going on here at the Shrine, you're better off assuming that it will eventually get closed and not because of a server switch, but because of legal issues.

Now I worry folks simply because I state the obvious, unbelievable.

Also, while I'm at it — what I'm going to say potentially concerns the Shrine's "safety", I'll have you know that in a few days I'll be leaving for holidays (as well as other kind of personal business). You folks better look for someone to replace me… Yeah, Jessie and Sarah, also talking to you.

Don't educate me as if I'm a dumb child.

I'm fully aware what kind of community this is. And I don't care that much about the warez. I do care about the custom covers thread and, obviously, your comment about it.

There's no need to become all that emotional and blow off steam. Clearly you have issues with this place and a few days off might be not the worst of ideas... geez

I never questioned the decision to remove Fox or Varese (in fact, I happily obliged by asking to delete threads I myself started). I also never questioned LSK's job, far from it. I've just said that his viewpoint was more than a tad negative. Different things.

Yeah, but you were equating LSK's responsibilities with being a negative thing. Implying that he should change his modus operandi because it's just too darn negative. :cry: If you want to challenge the way he thinks about his 'job' on rational grounds, then go for it (he's probably not going to care much about your input though :laugh:). But saying that 'it makes me feel bad' doesn't help anyone.


Just don't casually indiciate that certain posts might eventually vanish. Make clear announcements or discuss it internal beforehand if you're not sure.

heidl posted this earlier but for some reason deleted it. I think it's a great line, because it gives me a chance to say that, the way I see it, the onus is on you (and I mean that to everyone, not just heidl) to understand what the most recent sharing restrictions are on the site. The onus is on you to report threads that break the rules. "B-b-but, LSK is the mod, it's his job to do that for me!" I think he's made it clear he doesn't much care for the website's fate (or at least the film score section's); all he's willing to do is delete the threads that violate rules, with no fanfare. You're the one who want to keep it around, right?? Then saddle up and be cognizant about what rules LSK has to enforce so that you can help him enforce them. Make this thread your friend (Thread 30368), and by doing that you might keep the Shrine open a little longer.


Yeah, Jessie and Sarah, also talking to you.

Lol, I don't think either of them come here anymore, do they? Jessie hasn't been active (or barely active) this whole year - and I don't blame him after the crap he went through last fall with powaquatsi and whoever. And Sarah .... frankly I'm surprised these past two weeks haven't just been a front to close down the site. No idea what her stake in it is. Anyway, with you gone, it'll be anarchy. It's gonna be interesting to watch! :D

I'd wager Jessie had his hands full manually fixing/activating users thanks to passwords no longer working and board e-mails disabled, can't really blame him for not showing up on the forum anymore.
I honestly don't know about Sarah, no, I don't mean it in a disrespectful way, despite the past… She seems to show up mainly when there is some serious shit to fix.


Don't educate me as if I'm a dumb child.

I'm fully aware what kind of community this is. And I don't care that much about the warez. I do care about the custom covers thread and, obviously, your comment about it.

There's no need to become all that emotional and blow off steam. Clearly you have issues with this place and a few days off might be not the worst of ideas... geez
If you don't want me educate you like a dumb child, don't make it seem like you need to be educated. "Boo-hoo! Leon said this and now I crapped my pants, I don't want to lose stuff from a thread…".
I don't mince words, I simply stated what's likely to happen: the section risks to get nuked, along with everything in it, whether because of legal issues, or staffers' whim is irrelevant… End result is the same. EDIT: As far as I know, label/companies-bans don't get lifted, so things will only get worse for this place (that's assuming it manages to stick around that much), but hey, I'm the one which has to blow off steam.

Today you made a case out of something that should have been obvious to you for years. You don't care about piracy-related activities? Good for you, but, sadly for you, those activities may "greatly" affect survival chances of stuff like the custom covers thread.

Yeah, but you were equating LSK's responsibilities with being a negative thing. Implying that he should change his modus operandi because it's just too darn negative. :cry: If you want to challenge the way he thinks about his 'job' on rational grounds, then go for it (he's probably not going to care much about your input though :laugh:). But saying that 'it makes me feel bad' doesn't help anyone.

I clearly did not. Please be so kind to point out where I did that. I said - and I quote: "To me it appears that you liken things that might happen to things that will happen. Forgive me, but that's a pretty negative point of view." It was never about his job, his moderation or anything else. It was about that he appears to assume that worst will always happen (and I was thinking to myself "Gosh, how can he cross a street?") So at most, I made assumptions about his psyche, not his job.

I clearly did not. Please be so kind to point out where I did that. I said - and I quote: "To me it appears that you liken things that might happen to things that will happen. Forgive me, but that's a pretty negative point of view." It was never about his job, his moderation or anything else. It was about that he appears to assume that worst will always happen (and I was thinking to myself "Gosh, how can he cross a street?") So at most, I made assumptions about his psyche, not his job.
You get that from the way someone behaves on here? Interesting. Remember this is a negligible slice of Internet, a place which technically enables each one of us to act nothing like we are "out there". I've seen too many communities get closed in the +ten years I spent on the Internet, I can't be positive about it even if I wanted to, that's all. To me it's not a matter of "if," it's a matter of "when".
I have no problems driving, nor crossing streets, heh.

Aaaaah... NOW I get it. At first I was like huh - you know... like a retarded child. But now after your personal offenses I finally know how the wind blows.

I clearly did not. Please be so kind to point out where I did that. I said - and I quote: "To me it appears that you liken things that might happen to things that will happen. Forgive me, but that's a pretty negative point of view." It was never about his job, his moderation or anything else. It was about that he appears to assume that worst will always happen (and I was thinking to myself "Gosh, how can he cross a street?") So at most, I made assumptions about his psyche, not his job.

Fair enough; I misunderstood you. I thought at first you were saying that there were more "positive" ways of dealing with the film section's problems, and that deleting it was just "the negative way" of doing things. Like I said earlier, we tried acting with a "positive" point of view with Varese until their second injunction.

Incidentally, if I cross a street once and get hit, that's just happenstance and I can deal with it. But if I keep crossing streets and getting hit (i.e. keep getting legal threats from music companies) it probably means I should stop crossing streets for a while, for my own sake.

You get that from the way someone behaves on here? Interesting. Remember this is a negligible slice of Internet, a place which technically enables each one of us to act nothing like we are "out there". I've seen too many communities get closed in the +ten years I spent on the Internet, I can't be positive about it even if I wanted to, that's all. To me it's not a matter of "if," it's a matter of "when".
I have no problems driving, nor crossing streets, heh.

Darling, I've spent more than 25 years with IT and the net and despite countless sites disappearing over the decades, I still don't see the bogeyman around every corner. Additionally, while sites allow anyone to create a persona, it's not too difficult to look through said persona if one knows what to look for. People who can convincingly lie about their personality (online or in real life) are few in numbers.

But it's good that your fear doesn't extend to real life.

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But if I keep crossing streets and getting hit (i.e. keep getting legal threats from music companies) it probably means I should stop crossing streets for a while, for my own sake.

:D Well, in that case I would say that you might be a little dumb (as you haven't learned from past mistakes). However, legal threats are different, especially if it involves a forum with several thousand members. That's some sort of responsibility. If that has grown too big for the owner to handle (sometimes one needs to cut off clingy things from the past), she should just close it down. If that's the case, she'll feel better afterwards while the legal problems will probably disappear in due time as well.