This idea just hit me..

And as "in bad taste", as it may seem, it only appears that way.

1. Bart Oss (and all, er most, of his "affiliates") *rolls eyes*
2. corysun
3. romanelli77 (or something like that)
4. THOMAS TALLIS (just saw this one)..

Next?

(I guess I can update this as members get the known-down). As you were...

Relworp.

I know THOMAS TALLIS (who was also suspected to be Carol Anne) had scammed someone out of a trade, and as well as gave everyone a poor sounding version of the Jurassic World CS billed as "sessions" before the actual thing released, so his is pretty much justified.

Bart Oss? Leon probably won't disclose what exactly was the issue, but it seems justified.

The other two? I'm at a loss. They just seemed like just regular members, so I don't get what's up.

Now, regarding the actual list: Is it only for people that are recently banned? If not, I have a good one to add: powaquatsi (grade A loossless looser)

LordFuckingham? Not sure.

Aside from Bart and all his affiliates, what have the others been banned for?


I know THOMAS TALLIS (who was also suspected to be Carol Anne) had scammed someone out of a trade, and as well as gave everyone a poor sounding version of the Jurassic World CS billed as "sessions" before the actual thing released, so his is pretty much justified.

I got a PM from a familiar user about 2 weeks ago telling me "not to trust Carol Anne" over screwing some people over, including the person who sent me the PM. About a week later she PM'd me and I just ignored it lol


Now, regarding the actual list: Is it only for people that are recently banned? If not, I have a good one to add: powaquatsi (grade A loossless looser)

Lest we forget lordspp

*waits for lordspp to show up and have a fit*

Why is this thread a thing?

Why is anything a thing?

Oh! We forgot our precious FFSF2016PURR, who really wanted to spam us good.

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Why is this thread a thing?

Because they still don't like how things are actually being done for the better? shrugs

In all seriousness, I imagine an archive of people that are banned might serve to either show how it's become a thing all of a sudden or an attempt to pressure Leon into spilling the beans. Really, it's more to show that they're confused over the actions and wonder why the choices were made.

THOMAS TALLIS is The Statham who was Clooney AKA JARROT who is Taboggan

CLONEMASTER 6.53 getting banned for dick pics was pretty classic.

CLONEMASTER 6.53 getting banned for dick pics was pretty classic.

https://media.giphy.com/media/14ly09mcxcU4NO/giphy.gif

WilliamTaylor..or something like that.

PonyoBellanote :laugh:

PonyoBellanote :laugh:

Don't get my hopes up. ;)

Don't get my hopes up. ;)

Hell, if Leon decides to be like Spark randomly, then it'll even be a full account removal once again! No trace of Ponyo whatsoever. Simple as that. ;)

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In all seriousness, this thread really has no point when account info should already say who's banned. The only thing to really get out of this is for hoping for Leon to say shit, which isn't guaranteed.

Thus, this will probably be another thread that has shit posts for a bit, and then just dies. Simple as that.

Don't get my hopes up. ;)

It's a bit of an inside joke. Ponyo used to have an old account under the same name that Sparktank "unlawfully" banned because he was so sick of Ponyo's bitching. :laugh:

You will probably say no, but you guys have gotta admit I used to be much worse before. Of course I'm still annoying sometimes. But as much as before? :laugh:

You will probably say no, but you guys have gotta admit I used to be much worse before. Of course I'm still annoying sometimes. But as much as before? :laugh:

You've gotten a little better, yes

You will probably say no, but you guys have gotta admit I used to be much worse before. Of course I'm still annoying sometimes. But as much as before? :laugh:

No.























:169:

It's a bit of an inside joke. Ponyo used to have an old account under the same name that Sparktank "unlawfully" banned because he was so sick of Ponyo's bitching. :laugh:

Ah. My bad. I thought we were just generally making fun of Ponyo

In a way.. :laugh: But a playful banterish way :p

So I have a question. The people that are banned is it forever or is it for a set amount of time? This is the only forum I have been apart of where people have been banned and am wondering how this works.

Thanks :)

Depends of their "crime". If it's not a big offense, it's temporally.

This idea just hit me..

And as "in bad taste", as it may seem, it only appears that way.

1. Bart Oss (and all, er most, of his "affiliates") *rolls eyes* ahhhhhhhhhh Bart good guy but multi is not allowed
2. corysun don't even know he was banned
3. romanelli77 (or something like that) it's because of Deep blue sea - complete because there is a suspicion of Var�se even it's a bootleg from Cimmerian Records - CRCD017.
4. THOMAS TALLIS (just saw this one).. don't know him

Next?

(I guess I can update this as members get the known-down). As you were...

I actually think it would be a good idea to have explanations posted when someone gets banned. Nobody can accuse mods of being arbitrary, and it makes it clear that you can't try to evade the rules.

By the way, what did relworp do? As annoying as his mirrors were, it seemed like he was always pretty careful to follow the rules.

I actually think it would be a good idea to have explanations posted when someone gets banned. Nobody can accuse mods of being arbitrary, and it makes it clear that you can't try to evade the rules.

By the way, what did relworp do? As annoying as his mirrors were, it seemed like he was always pretty careful to follow the rules.

I actually think it would be a good idea to have explanations posted when someone gets banned. Nobody can accuse mods of being arbitrary, and it makes it clear that you can't try to evade the rules.

By the way, what did relworp do? As annoying as his mirrors were, it seemed like he was always pretty careful to follow the rules.
This post spurred me into action, going to make clear a few things:

1) Staff members can be as arbitrary as they want, the following bit is quoted from the Register page (http://forums.ffshrine.org/register.php)

The owners of Final Fantasy Shrine Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any content item for any reason.
1-a) Most (if not all) online communities are not democracies, we can technically do whatever we want, thanks to that little piece of text, without having to explain you anything. We can act, as a matter fact, as tyrants/dictators.

As for the rest, I admit that I find this rather pitiful, personally: didn't your parents/caretakers teach you to mind your own business, folks? We know why we ban users; we usually write the reason for the ban in the available field, so that the affected user could know why he/she got offed (temporarily, or not). Only we need to know that stuff. Granted, we're not talking "supah-secret information", but that's not an excuse to be nosy, catch my drift? Good.

This post spurred me into action, going to make clear a few things:

1) Staff members can be as arbitrary as they want, the following bit is quoted from the Register page (http://forums.ffshrine.org/register.php)

1-a) Most (if not all) online communities are not democracies, we can technically do whatever we want, thanks to that little piece of text, without having to explain you anything. We can act, as a matter fact, as tyrants/dictators.

As for the rest, I admit that I find this rather pitiful, personally: didn't your parents/caretakers teach you to mind your own business, folks? We know why we ban users; we usually write the reason for the ban in the available field, so that the affected user could know why he/she got offed (temporarily, or not). Only we need to know that stuff. Granted, we're not talking "supah-secret information", but that's not an excuse to be nosy, catch my drift? Good.

I'm not disputing your right to take the actions you do (and thank you for doing so - we've needed a good mod for a long time), just pointing out that the shrine is a place that can overreact to things, and a degree of transparency might help head off any stupid forum drama, plus potentially deter future rule-breakers.

That's simply not how I do things, sorry. Those who overreact and start drama over their own/someone else's "shenanigans" are candidates for a ban (even permanent), as far as I'm concerned; if they care that much about being childishly annoying and sticking their noses in what it's not their business, they can join their friends.

1-a) Most (if not all) online communities are not democracies, we can technically do whatever we want, thanks to that little piece of text, without having to explain you anything. We can act, as a matter fact, as tyrants/dictators.

This is true. It happened last year. Remember, Ponyo? :laugh:

No, SparkTanks banned me in 2015

No, SparkTanks banned me in 2015

It's only March. I'm still in 2016 :p

No, SparkTanks banned me in 2015

Ahhh…2015. I remember it well.

I actually think it would be a good idea to have explanations posted when someone gets banned. Nobody can accuse mods of being arbitrary, and it makes it clear that you can't try to evade the rules.




I can say that if you share anything from Varese Sarabande by private messages, you will automatically be banned permanently, as it seems that moderation reads your private messages. Be warned!

I can say that if you share anything from Varese Sarabande by private messages, you will automatically be banned permanently, as it seems that moderation reads your private messages. Be warned!

Don't go around spreading Nonsense like this,
noone is reading your damn PMs.

Nobody read your private messages, Number, fact is: Var�se Sarabande eventually came back a second time and demanded we put a stop to "private-messaging sharing", too. Now, if I have reason to believe that some of you assholes still get that stuff around, your accounts get screwed, made myself clear, huh?

I really don't see anything wrong with that, it's how it would go in any other sharing forum. It's nothing but a means to not get this forum banned totally.

Sobriety is a much better aspect.

AmanoChan is banned, as well as Number 112. What did 112 did for being banned?

Honestly, I haven't a clue.

That's simply not how I do things, sorry. Those who overreact and start drama over their own/someone else's "shenanigans" are candidates for a ban (even permanent), as far as I'm concerned; if they care that much about being childishly annoying and sticking their noses in what it's not their business, they can join their friends.

Hi Leon,
Not to change the subject, I wanted to PM you about something, but your PM storage is full and need to clear some space.
I appreciate it. ;-)

Honestly, I haven't a clue.

I contacted Number 112 via email, and he said that he has no clue why he was banned, since he hasn't posted forbidden stuff and most of all he didn't get any kind of warning before the final ban. He was banned littlerally out of nowhere, and cannot create a new account as well, that is a real shame for a good user like him.

Also, I discovered that PonyoBellanote is now banned.

Who gives a shit? If someone is banned, then that's that. I don't even understand why anyone cares, it's not like we have a very tight-knit community here like other forums do.

When good people are being banned for litterally no reason, there's something seriously wrong going on... That's something you should care about.

If Number 112 was banned, it was for a reason. The person who banned him was likely Leon Scott Kennedy, and he always does so with prudence and understandable judgment. Even if he didn't... what are you or I gonna do? Shit up the forums more with complaints? It'd be like pissing in an ocean of piss.

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Forums aren't a democracy. Moderators and administrators reserve the right to ban whoever, whenever, why-ever.

Dato che sei Italiano anche tu, ti rispondo nella nostra lingua:

1) Number 112 non ha idea del perch� � stato bannato? Un mucchio di stronzate, poco dopo il suo ban ha usato un altro account in cui ha scritto la ragione per cui � stato bannato (aggiunta, ma non la ragione principale del ban: account multipli son vietati), � lo stesso motivo per cui ho bannato erich.gold e l'altro suo account.
2) http://forums.ffshrine.org/register.php - Ci� che segue � stato estrapolato da quella pagina:

The owners of Final Fantasy Shrine Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any content item for any reason.
Sai chi viene solitamente identificato come "proprietario"/guardiano del forum? Un membro dello Staff; quella linea di testo ci autorizza, tecnicamente, a fare un po' quello che ci pare. Non ti garba? Puoi sempre lasciare la community. Se davvero mi mettessi a fare cose senza alcuna ragione, credimi, la vostra Film/TV/Classical sarebbe stata svuotata da tempo. Quando agisco, lo faccio in virt� delle regole della community, non � colpa mia se gli utenti non si tengono aggiornati, cazzi loro.

EDIT:
Ah, per quanto riguarda PonyoBellanote, lascio qui un link prima che tu ti metta a sparare ancora una volta che "brava gente" � stata ingiustamente bannata - Thread 30368

Dato che sei Italiano anche tu, ti rispondo nella nostra lingua:

1) Number 112 non ha idea del perch� � stato bannato? Un mucchio di stronzate, poco dopo il suo ban ha usato un altro account in cui ha scritto la ragione per cui � stato bannato (aggiunta, ma non la ragione principale del ban: account multipli son vietati), � lo stesso motivo per cui ho bannato erich.gold e l'altro suo account.

Leon, sei italiano/vivi in Italia anche tu? :O

Ad ogni modo sono al corrente dei toni "accesi" di Ponyo... Mi stupisco di quando NON insulta nessuno nei suoi post, sicuramente non lo difendo a spada tratta.
Per quanto riguarda Number 112, mi ha detto che non ha ricevuto nessun avviso prima del suo ban definitivo. Mi pare (le regole le conosci meglio di me) che si viene avvisati 3 volte prima del ban definitivo. Lo posso biasimare per aver postato su un altro account (se me lo riesci a mostrare, mi fai un favore), ma non mi hai risposto: mi hai detto una cosa sbagliata che ha fatto dopo essere stato bannato, non prima. E il problema rimane: a suo dire, � stato bannato ingiustamente. Se mi riesci a dimostrare che lui ha torto, ti do' ragione.

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http://forums.ffshrine.org/register.php - Ci� che segue � stato estrapolato da quella pagina:

The owners of Final Fantasy Shrine Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any content item for any reason.
Sai chi viene solitamente identificato come "proprietario"/guardiano del forum? Un membro dello Staff; quella linea di testo ci autorizza, tecnicamente, a fare un po' quello che ci pare. Non ti garba? Puoi sempre lasciare la community. Se davvero mi mettessi a fare cose senza alcuna ragione, credimi, la vostra Film/TV/Classical sarebbe stata svuotata da tempo. Quando agisco, lo faccio in virt� delle regole della community, non � colpa mia se gli utenti non si tengono aggiornati, cazzi loro.

Quella regola mi dice che puoi modificare/eliminare il contenuto di tutti i post e thread a piacimento, e concordo in pieno. Ma ci� ti pu� dare il diritto di infrangere le tue stesse regole? (ammesso ma non confermato che Number 112 � stato effettivamente bannato ingiustamente)

"Any content item" si traduce letteralmente come "ogni contenuto oggetto", gli account degli utenti sono "oggetti". Di norma non lo faccio, ne hai la prova tu stesso dato che ce ne sono di utenti attivi, ma se un bel momento io (o un altro membro dello Staff) mi metto in testa di bannare utenti, posso farlo, senza darvi alcuna spiegazione. I forum online, come detto da Skeleton, non sono democrazie, lo staff comanda e se vuole pu� anche piegare le regole a suo piacimento.

S�.
In circostanze normali, s�, ci sono avvisi prima del ban; ci� non si applica in casi speciali e/o gravi, quali "etichette" come Var�se Sarabande: potresti non esserne al corrente, ma sono tornati una seconda volta e hanno preteso che noi (Staff) mettessimo lo Stop a thread delle loro release+condivisione tramite messaggi privati (post - Thread 49829). Come puoi notare tu stesso dalla data di quel post, lo "stato di massima allerta" � effettivo da pi� di un anno, senza contare che anche il mio ex-collega Zoran cre� e mise "in cima" un thread che avvertiva gli utenti riguardo la situazione con Var�se.
Se io ho validi motivi per credere che utenti quali Number 112 e erich.gold hanno continuato a condividere certe release nonostante la nuova regola, finiscono bannati. Ne avete avuto di tempo per aggiornarvi, ormai.
Se non ricordo male, Number 112 condivise tramite messaggio privato il link a un complete score/bootleg di un film che aveva una release ufficiale da Var�se: i bootleg sono spesso illegali, come ben sappiamo, quindi i diritti sulla musica li ha ancora Var�se e la cosa pu� darci problemi.

EDIT:
Sono il primo ad ammettere che ci "vado gi� pesante", ma la Shrine non pu� pi� permettersi di cazzeggiare con Var�se.

Sicuramente Number 112 era al corrente del divieto sulla Varese Sarabande, almeno per quanto riguarda i nuovi thread con condivisione pubblica e/o via PM. Lui � stato molto attento a non condividere pubblicamente nulla di proibito, ma forse non sapeva che la condivisione via PM a tu per tu (trading) era vietata.
Se lo informo di questo, penso che imparer� la lezione. Non � un tizio malintenzionato, vuole sempre avere le carte in regola ed ha dato ottimi contributi al forum.
Considererei la possibilit� di riammetterlo nella comunit�.
Poi, � una tua scelta... Vedi te

Random aside, and I ask as I was a SuperModerator for another vBulletin forum.

Do you all [Staff] issue "infractions", and any certain number leads up to a ban? It was like that in the aforementioned group I spoke of.

Random aside, and I ask as I was a SuperModerator for another vBulletin forum.

Do you all [Staff] issue "infractions", and any certain number leads up to a ban? It was like that in the aforementioned group I spoke of.
Did that a few times, personally, but I prefer a more "direct" approach… A ban coming from a collection of infractions is mostly worthless.

ponyo is banned? YES! NOW I CAN FINALLY BE HAPPY FOR ONCE IN MY FUCKING LIFE IN THIS FORUM!

ponyo is banned? YES! NOW I CAN FINALLY BE HAPPY FOR ONCE IN MY FUCKING LIFE IN THIS FORUM!

Relaaaaaax...

ponyo is banned? YES! NOW I CAN FINALLY BE HAPPY FOR ONCE IN MY FUCKING LIFE IN THIS FORUM!

I suggest not allowing this to escalate and simply ignore one another.

Hahahahaha that was fucking hilarious

I got banned once for posting pics of explosive herpes. I also got locked out of my avatar for making fun of Sarah.

I got banned once for posting pics of explosive herpes.

Now that's the sort of crime that commands respect.

goddamn it. how many cocks did he had to suck to be allowed back here? back to being the grumpy scrooge you all know and love. this could have been an utopia, but now it shall remain present-day detroit.

goddamn it. how many cocks did he had to suck to be allowed back here? back to being the grumpy scrooge you all know and love. this could have been an utopia, but now it shall remain present-day detroit.

None, it was always temporary. Sorry Kush. The throwback was magnificent though.

goddamn it. how many cocks did he had to suck to be allowed back here? back to being the grumpy scrooge you all know and love. this could have been an utopia, but now it shall remain present-day detroit.

The dicks lined up while I made like a circus seal and played a game of "who's in my mouth!?"

Real question: Are many of these bans permanent or temporary? If it's the former, it would be a shame to those that only really had one penalty and probably weren't aware. Repeated offenders can still stay out.

Real question: Are many of these bans permanent or temporary? If it's the former, it would be a shame to those that only really had one penalty and probably weren't aware. Repeated offenders can still stay out.
Tch. Probably not aware? As far as banned Film/TV/etcetera music labels go, we have two important threads about it, with one of them kind of explaining how bad the situation is with one particular label… Oh, right, it has been a "Sticky" in that goddamn subforum since 07-15-2016… So, quite frankly, I call bullshit on the chance they're not aware; don't you read->pay attention->keep yourself up-to-date, folks? Your problem, not mine.

Oh, about permanent bans… You might not believe me, since I won't provide "evidence", but in the case of multiple accounts… I'm merely doing what my superiors seemingly have always done: folks with multiple accounts get permanently banned. Other folks which got permanently banned by me were mostly proved troublemakers (already been annoying and/or banned in the past) and folks who still post/share VS stuff (can't afford to screw around with that label, not sorry).

I've got a question about VS.
If a score gets multiple releases, one of which is from Varese Sarabande, are all the other non-VS releases prohibited here? (having at least partially the same music a VS release)

^ Var�se only holds licenses for those titles released under its label. If the same title is released from another label, Var�se still only holds licence over their own release(s). This is why recording sessions should not fall under the Var�se ban because Var�se has no legal title to the sessions, only their commercial release.

Based on what I've seen happen, the other non-VS releases are not forbidden if they are more recent than that. We stick with "whoever" is the last label to hold publishing rights.


As for recording sessions… Hm? In the past I've noticed Staff removing some recording sessions threads when Var�se published an official release (and was the only label to own publishing rights), I kind of "played along" with my moderation, so to speak… I'll try to bring the matter to Jessie as soon as I can, maybe we can "finalize" a course of action. Sadly, that won't happen now, I'm heading out for work.

that guy seems really butthurt. its not like this is the only site on the internet where you can get his shit.

what a fucking crybaby.
i havent seen a movie "scored" by him that i liked "his" music so he wouldnt get my money from his cds anyway.
but just the fact hes come here to whine just made me go to a torrent site and download the first score i find of him.
out of fucking spite.

Are... are you talking about Varese Sarabande? Varese has been dead for 50 years and Sarabande is a type of dance. It's a record label.

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^ Var�se only holds licenses for those titles released under its label. If the same title is released from another label, Var�se still only holds licence over their own release(s). This is why recording sessions should not fall under the Var�se ban because Var�se has no legal title to the sessions, only their commercial release.

In a legal capacity, that argument could be made. In a practical capacity it doesn't quite hold up, because it presumes we're on the same standing - legally, morally, however which way you like - as VS. Personally I see no reason to play with fire and dare Varese to come back a third time, frothing at the mouth.

Just for argument sake: no, because Var�se has no standing either when it comes to recording sessions; any more than they have standing to complain about a former Var�se title showing up here that has been re-released by another label under a separate licensing agreement.

And I'm not arguing for or against here, just pointing out what's what.

If I were Varese, I'd worry about leaked sessions impacting sales. That'd be my chief concern, semantics over content be damned. That's certainly why Ottman hit FFS up with a ban on X-Men. But who knows whether VS was that specific when communicating with admins - Jessie of course would have a better idea.

If I were Varese, I'd worry about leaked sessions impacting sales. That'd be my chief concern, semantics over content be damned. That's certainly why Ottman hit FFS up with a ban on X-Men. But who knows whether VS was that specific when communicating with admins - Jessie of course would have a better idea.

Probably why they just dumped the sessions for Star Trek Beyond onto two discs with no alterations.

Probably why they just dumped the sessions for Star Trek Beyond onto two discs with no alterations.

There's no real proof those are the sessions. Just look at the 09 film. Clearly material was still gutted out of that release.

Edit: If this actually had "no alterations," then there'd still be slates and silences, and maybe an extra disc. AKA Lazy and not consumer friendly :p

There's no real proof those are the sessions. Just look at the 09 film. Clearly material was still gutted out of that release.

Edit: If this actually had "no alterations," then there'd still be slates and silences, and maybe an extra disc. AKA Lazy and not consumer friendly :p

The whole score is on there (including parts not used in the film). They've not bothered to do any editing to make it chronological or to bridge any of the cues together (for instance, they haven't bridged the end credits together), and it includes alternate versions - and not in a separate section, but in the main body of the score ("Trick Or Treaty" and "To Thine Own Death be True" are what I'm referring to here).

They've literally done the barest they can with this release - titling everything properly and removing silences before shoving it onto two discs, but for that barest, they've actually made a release that is, for the first time, the whole of a Giacchino Star Trek score.

Are... are you talking about Varese Sarabande? Varese has been dead for 50 years and Sarabande is a type of dance. It's a record label.

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In a legal capacity, that argument could be made. In a practical capacity it doesn't quite hold up, because it presumes we're on the same standing - legally, morally, however which way you like - as VS. Personally I see no reason to play with fire and dare Varese to come back a third time, frothing at the mouth.


thats why i put it in quotes. because im sure THE record label didnt materialize a person to come whine here. just a poor intern lashed to do so probably.

LOOOOL. Karma finally caught up with tapoktro/relworp/whateverhisaliases... :laugh:

Screencap taken from his download-soundtracks website.



Not only banned here but elsewhere people are finally taking notice too.

*Shrugs*
He wasn't doing anything that much worse than any other sharer here, or the average sharer in other illegal-sharing-focused boards; if anything, we were lucky to pretty much have mainly him pulling off that stuff around here.
Besides, Karma will eventually catch up with "us", too. ;)

^ Var�se only holds licenses for those titles released under its label. If the same title is released from another label, Var�se still only holds licence over their own release(s). This is why recording sessions should not fall under the Var�se ban because Var�se has no legal title to the sessions, only their commercial release.

I suppose that does make sense. Their releases would probably contain shorter cues or other variations of the kind while the sessions would obviously include a lot more material. But on the other hand Skelly also makes a good point as to not play with fire and simply go along with the no-VS-material rule also including no sessions related to VS releases.

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*Shrugs*
He wasn't doing anything that much worse than any other sharer here, or the average sharer in other illegal-sharing-focused boards; if anything, we were lucky to pretty much have mainly him pulling off that stuff around here.
Besides, Karma will eventually catch up with "us", too. ;)

Agreed on all points. :)

Hey, I am back, thank you for welcoming me again on this dear forum and a big thanks to Impervim for your nice words.
It seems that I forgot to remove content from Var�se Sarabande and I was logically banned for that. I told myself that if I had not shared anything at all I would not have been banned. oO
When nothing is done there is no mistake. Sorry for making mistakes. There will not be another

Hello ,Leon Scott Kennedy


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� lo stesso motivo per cui ho bannato erich.gold e l'altro suo account.
2) http://forums.ffshrine.org/register.php -


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I have just got to take cognizance of this discussion and I assure you that I am not Erich.gold of which I appreciate much sharing and kindness. I do not know how to prove to you that there is a serious error committed against him.

Thank you for your work . CdS.

Hello, CdS.

In that post you quoted I was referring to the accounts erich.gold and Erich Gold, both obviously belonging to the same person. Serious error committed against him? Like hell there is one, sidestepping for a moment the fact that he had multiple accounts (something which has always earned users permanent bans, surprise! I'm not a mean son of a bitch, staff/administration handed out permanent bans for that long before I even registered here), he still kept sharing Var�se Sarabande material, after both the "second" ban (which forbids it completely, no threads for their releases, nor PM-sharing allowed) and being told not to do it (by members of the staff, too).

He chose to blatantly disregard the rules and disrespect the staff? His goddamn problem, he's not coming back, as far as I'm concerned; his ban remains a permanent one.

Leon, the new rule that forbids sharing music from 20th Century Fox means no more Star Wars originals/prequels music, as well for those of the Alien saga, X-Men franchise (and so on...)?
Because... that's a huge amount of great stuff.
Can you confirm?

Leon, the new rule that forbids sharing music from 20th Century Fox means no more Star Wars originals/prequels music, as well for those of the Alien saga, X-Men franchise (and so on...)?
Because... that's a huge amount of great stuff.
Can you confirm?

Yes. It's not hard to understand. Any music that 20th Century Fox holds music rights to, probably also nothing from any movie from them.

Yes. It's not hard to understand. Any music that 20th Century Fox holds music rights to, probably also nothing from any movie from them.

Agreed, it's really not hard to understand. But, and this is probably an important difference to earlier bans (Varese, FSM, etc.): this time, it's a film studio which is forbidden, not a label. And here lies the true pitfall for all future (and maybe even former) threads for film scores shared on this forum: Apart from 20th Century Fox Records (the label), which would be easy to identify, each and every time, if you want to share a score from any label which is still not banned (LaLaLand, Kritzerland, Quartet etc.), you have to go to imdb.com and check if the movie/movies on that record was produced by 20th Century Fox. I'm curious to see how that will turn out on this forum. Are the mods themselves looking into every new thread to see if there's a 20th Century Fox production involved? What if someone didn't check before? Will he be banned (because ignorance is no excuse)? What with all the hundreds of still open links to non-banned records with (now) banned 20th Century Fox movie music on it? Are all active members with working links in their threads (or offering links by p.m.) obliged to check if now they are sharing 20th C.F. movie music? Are all those members now going to be banned, if they don't change older threads?

If the admins are consequently enforcing this new rule, they have much work to do! Talk about opening the Pandora's box.

Just saying...

I'm not a mod, so I won't answer all those questions, but I will say that it'd help Leon Scott Kennedy (the only moderator who ever logs on anymore) if people would alert him to 20th Century Fox threads via this thread (Thread 30368). Don't even bother with the little 'Report Post' button; I don't think it works anymore.

I'm not a mod, so I won't answer all those questions, but I will say that it'd help Leon Scott Kennedy (the only moderator who ever logs on anymore) if people would alert him to 20th Century Fox threads via this thread (Thread 30368). Don't even bother with the little 'Report Post' button; I don't think it works anymore.

I don't see much help here for Leon, because the identification of a 20th C.F. movie contained in any given new score uploaded doesn't reveal itself on first look. The casual follower on this forum doesn't know if it's a 20th C.F. movie when he sees any movie title, and I don't see anyone going the extra mile and doing a full imdb research to identify those (except maybe those who have a grudge to some members and are trying to expose them for sharing forbidden material - this could turn into a full denunciation war! Pandora's box, anyone?).

I just asked because in my ignorance I didn't know if there was a 20th C.F. label... and to my memory there's never been a film studios requesting its related film scored not to be posted, only labels or individual composers.
It was easy to understand, but I was just hoping it was something different than what it appeared to be.

Well, let's just hope the other studios won't do the same. Because if they do, the Shrine can easily close its doors...

Okay, I'm in a bit of a rush right now, but I'll try to answer what I can:

- To be 100% honest, your guess about what's affected by the Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation ban is as good as mine. Haven't received specific information by Sarah, nor Jessie about it, all I know is what you know, too, namely, the post left by Sarah - "Nothing from Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation may be posted".
Is it safe to assume that anything 20th got a say in is a "no-go" around here, now? Yes, most likely. Here's what I'm going to do:

- Old (pre-ban) threads with still-viewable links will be deleted.
- New threads+posts made about those releases will be deleted, and the user who created them will be banned (temporarily, at the first infraction), we've had a sticky thread about forbidden stuff for years, it is every user's responsibility to give it a read/keep him~, or herself up-to-date every once in a while. Heck, the staff is doing you a favour by mentioning when another "item" gets added to that list, we're all supposed to check and re-check those threads on our own.
- The user who still shares 20th C.F. stuff through the private messaging system will also get banned. In case you're - A) the kind of guy who posts Darwin's Award-worthy posts like: "Sent/links sent", B) I witness a user thanking you for having received the link and you find yourself banned… Don't come whining, you've only to thank your stupidity for that. To speak the truth, anyone who has known/read me long enough can tell you that I was against PM-sharing threads of forbidden material, they've always been risky+stupid.

Frankly speaking, the situation with the Film/TV section has become a lot more "unbearable", this most recent ban comes with an extra (not to mention) huge amount of work we could do without.
In my humble opinion, the Shrine is now seriously better off closing that whole forum and you movie-scores' aficionados can easily find and/or set up another place which doesn't have those "restrictions", the Web is big. Yeah, I'll probably advance the idea that we close that part of the forum. This is a bit too much for a single active moderator to deal with and I don't see who would volunteer to help with "managing" the 20th ban, hell, I honestly don't want to deal with that, either, would rather take the "easy way out" and get the subforum to close.

Thanks for the clarification.

As far as you can guess, are to be removed also, say, stuff like custom cover, digital booklets, scans and sheets?
I ask it because I did a few weeks ago a thread for Fox's Logan, I've already removed and disabled the links for the music itself, but I'm not sure if the scans and the digital booklet (that I have shared) is to be removed as well.

Thanks in advance.

Well, I'd remove those (both booklets scanned/custom artwork and sheets), too. Nothing seems to be allowed.

Say bye bye to anything:

Alien
Star Wars
Planet of the Apes
Predator
X-Men
Fantastic 4

…and lots and lots of other goodies.

20th Century Fox 1935-1999 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_20th_Century_Fox_films_(1935–99))

20th Century Fox 2000-Present (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_20th_Century_Fox_films_(2000–present))

And, yes, there was briefly a "Twentieth Century Fox Film Scores" label. Titles such as "The Day the Earth Stood Still", "The Robe" and "How Green Was My Valley" were first released under this label. And, of course, there was the "Fox" label; the first release of Goldsmith's "Bad Girls" was released through them.

Thanks for the clarifications, Leon. (I do wonder, however, what your explanations would have looked like if you hadn't been "in a rush"! LOL)

Frankly, I can't blame you if you're closing the whole forum, even if it's a real shame. But a studio ban is just too much to manage this in a reasonable way, especially a ban by such an influential one like 20th Cent.Fox. Just looking at the short list which gururu has posted, it's a massive set-back, and that list is just the tip of the iceberg.

Rather than handling this top down, it would properly be best expedited bottom up, i.e. uploaders should verify the production studio of their shares and submit links of those threads applicable under this ban to moderator for removal.

And, in the case of dead threads and/or absentee landlords, due diligence of members here should manage to get the job done.

Rather than handling this top down, it would properly be best expedited bottom up, i.e. uploaders should verify the production studio of their shares and submit links of those threads applicable under this ban to moderator for removal.

And, in the case of dead threads and/or absentee landlords, due diligence of members here should manage to get the job done.

I think you're overestimating the general awareness of users here (most can't even be bothered to check if it's a Varese release), as well as their diligence. Maybe you have more faith than I do but I would put the number of users here who frequent the movie music section, and also give a damn, at no more than maybe 100 or 150. The vast majority are leechers. Which zealous member is going to go through Erich Gold's and tapoktro's and Bart Oss's old threads? You?

If ultimately that section of the website is shut down, I hope that at least threads that foster real discussion and enthusiasm (the Big Orchestral Action Music thread and the Custom Cover thread, for instance) are able to be shuttled over to another section.

It really doesn't take much effort to cross-reference a title.

To start things off with a bang, go for the flashy, big franchise titles first, then films released since 2000. Then scour the first 20-30 pages.

Use google search:

site:forums.ffshrine.org “alien“ (https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=site:forums.ffshrine.org+%E2%80%9Calien%E2%80%9C&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)

site:forums.ffshrine.org "star wars" (https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=site:forums.ffshrine.org+%E2%80%9Calien%E2%80%9C&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=site:forums.ffshrine.org+%E2%80%9Cstar+wars%E2 %80%9C)

site:forums.ffshrine.og "planet of the apes" (https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=site:forums.ffshrine.org+%E2%80%9Calien%E2%80%9C&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=site:forums.ffshrine.org+%E2%80%9Cplanet+of+th e+apes%E2%80%9C)

site:forums.ffshrine.org "x-men" (https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=site:forums.ffshrine.org+%E2%80%9Calien%E2%80%9C&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=site:forums.ffshrine.org+%E2%80%9Cx-men%E2%80%9C)

It really doesn't take much effort to cross-reference a title.

No, it doesn't. Now make a list of every single thread you see from that Google search that ought to be deleted. Doesn't sound like too much trouble at first, but that time spent all adds up.

No need for making lists. As an admin, you'd click on a link and hit the associated delete thread button—if the vBulletin install has been setup for quick use admin editing.

Hm? I thought this was a bottom-up solution, not a top-down one. If I want to get all the X-Men threads to LSK, I need to make a list of links, which sounds pretty time-consuming for both me and LSK to deal with.

Don't be obtuse. You bring up the google search in one page and proceed through the ready made list provided to you. Either copy the link(s) directly and feed them to Leon, or click on the link and report the post.

Easy peasy.

Page 1 so far:

How to Train Your Dragon 2 (Thread 213882)
Deadlock/Wedlock (Thread 217183)

Both distributed by 20th.

Okay, I'm in a bit of a rush right now, but I'll try to answer what I can:

- To be 100% honest, your guess about what's affected by the Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation ban is as good as mine. Haven't received specific information by Sarah, nor Jessie about it, all I know is what you know, too, namely, the post left by Sarah - "Nothing from Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation may be posted".
Is it safe to assume that anything 20th got a say in is a "no-go" around here, now? Yes, most likely. Here's what I'm going to do:

- Old (pre-ban) threads with still-viewable links will be deleted.
- New threads+posts made about those releases will be deleted, and the user who created them will be banned (temporarily, at the first infraction), we've had a sticky thread about forbidden stuff for years, it is every user's responsibility to give it a read/keep him~, or herself up-to-date every once in a while. Heck, the staff is doing you a favour by mentioning when another "item" gets added to that list, we're all supposed to check and re-check those threads on our own.
- The user who still shares 20th C.F. stuff through the private messaging system will also get banned. In case you're - A) the kind of guy who posts Darwin's Award-worthy posts like: "Sent/links sent", B) I witness a user thanking you for having received the link and you find yourself banned… Don't come whining, you've only to thank your stupidity for that. To speak the truth, anyone who has known/read me long enough can tell you that I was against PM-sharing threads of forbidden material, they've always been risky+stupid.

Frankly speaking, the situation with the Film/TV section has become a lot more "unbearable", this most recent ban comes with an extra (not to mention) huge amount of work we could do without.
In my humble opinion, the Shrine is now seriously better off closing that whole forum and you movie-scores' aficionados can easily find and/or set up another place which doesn't have those "restrictions", the Web is big. Yeah, I'll probably advance the idea that we close that part of the forum. This is a bit too much for a single active moderator to deal with and I don't see who would volunteer to help with "managing" the 20th ban, hell, I honestly don't want to deal with that, either, would rather take the "easy way out" and get the subforum to close.

Honestly, that doesn't sound like a bad idea...

In case the section does get nuked, custom covers and big orchestral action threads would be likely to go down with it, as far as I'm concerned. Reasons follow:

1) In the case of one thread, you folks could very well have used images/stills/artwork/whatever belonging to 20th C.F.; going by what Sarah wrote, nothing is allowed.

2) For the orchestral one, again, they could have posted scores of movies/television-series/etcetera tied to 20th C.F. in some way, or form.

I'm not about to go search through hundreds/thousands of pages just to salvage (not) precious conversations/information: before some of you might jump at my throat, remember that this "community" is pretty much completely devoted to illegal file-sharing, the whole thing could get seized/closed at any moment, and all within it lost. Did you value the exchanges you had? Well, I trust you've been smart enough to save/archive them on your own… You didn't? Err, your loss; I don't give damn (nor do I have to, to speak the truth).

Also, I feel somewhat bad for saying this, but do keep in mind that most of us staff members are volunteers, we come here and go about our moderation-related duties on our own free time. Before someone might advance the idea to enlist other moderators, a reminder from little ol' me, in order to better gauge the Shrine's current status: as far as I know, no names of possible candidates for the position were brought up (among the staff, I mean), even when there were talks of creating a poll for the position, in the end, you've got me simply because I volunteered for it. In case Jessie, or any other administrator had users deemed "fine" for the job, you would have seen them, am I right? This latest ban is overwhelming for just a single person.

And, lastly, to confirm something that I remember having read previously: with e-mails sent by the board "disabled", staff members stopped getting "blah-blah has been reported" messages, too. Relying only on whatever I see/check+what you report in the notice thread, folks.
EDIT:
To be extra-clear - the "report this post" function stopped working.

Suggestion: create a sticky in the Download section so users can submit thread links and instruct users to submit formatted links, i.e. thread title with embedded link, e.g. AVATAR (Deluxe Edition) / James Horner / 2 CD / FLAC / MP3 [320 kbps] / MASTERED (Thread 176419). That way multiple users can avoid duplicating each other.

Pointless, sticky threads get ignored by a lot of users here on the Shrine, history and personal experience speak for themselves. I'd be here all the month if I listed every user who either acted ignorant/played dumb after I banned for having still shared Var�se Sarabande stuff. Most users simply don't bother to check sticky threads. Kind of disheartening for me, on a personal level, because I happen to know users who are supposedly quite younger than a lot of you, that are more "responsible", so to speak.

The sticky is for users like myself to supply you with thread links in a centralized location.

That I understood, but we already have a thread for reporting stuff which isn't supposed to be here in Questions, Feedback and Assistance, unless folks are leechers/those who don't care, they're bound to have seen that section and also clicked on it (generally speaking, that's the forum which also has "frequently" asked questions" kind of threads).

I've reasons to believe I'd still get links solely by those who already report them.

For goodness sakes, who the hell visits that thread (in a whole other forum) every day! I certainly don't.

For goodness sakes, who the hell visits that thread (in a whole other forum) every day! I certainly don't.
See? Thanks for proving my point. Those who actually seem to give a damn about this place did take notice of that thread, used it and/or continue to use it to report stuff.
Things have been where they are pretty much since Download Links was still a single a forum (years ago), stuff got reported back then.
Folks can't be bothered to check what else is out there, on the Shrine? Their goddamn problem, but then they maybe act sad when things take a turn for the worst and the beloved section risks to get closed (I've seen it multiples in the years I've been here). Pitiful, if you ask me.

There's no point to prove simply because there's no reason for me or anyone to go to that thread every day if I/we don't have a question, require assistance or feel the need to provide feedback.

On the face of it, reporting uploads doesn't fall under any of those variables.

There's no point to prove simply because there's no reason for me or anyone to go to that thread every day if I/we don't have a question, require assistance or feel the need to provide feedback.

On the face of it, reporting uploads doesn't fall under any of those variables.
True, but as I've later added (sorry, currently on mobile phone), the thread to report stuff which isn't supposed to be here has always been in that subforum, even beck when Download Links still didn't get split into three different subforums, and stuff got reported.
The title of Questions, Feedback and assistance would normally spur any user into paying it a visit, even on the chance that it could hold some kind of frequently asked questions thread, if they did that, they would have seen the sticky about stuff to report.

True, but as I've later added (sorry, currently on mobile phone), the thread to report stuff which isn't supposed to be here has always been in that subforum, even beck when Download Links still didn't get split into three different subforums, and stuff got reported.
The title of Questions, Feedback and assistance would normally spur any user into paying it a visit, even on the chance that it could hold some kind of frequently asked questions thread, if they did that, they would have seen the sticky about stuff to report.

So where's this link to a sticky thread entitled (or similarly titled): Report Upload That Can't Be Shared on the Shrine?

You know, a thread title which actually states clearly and directly what its intended purpose is for.

I wanted to go back to my Logan thread to remove the link to the digital booklet... Then I found the thread had already been deleted! :laugh:

Leon, what happened to all the reputation points I received in that thread, now deleted?

So where's this link to a sticky thread entitled (or similarly titled): Report Upload That Can't Be Shared on the Shrine?

You know, a thread title which actually states clearly and directly what its intended purpose is for.
notice spam / advertisements / things mods & admins need to deal with (Thread 30368)


I wanted to go back to my Logan thread to remove the link to the digital booklet... Then I found the thread had already been deleted! :laugh:

Leon, what happened to all the reputation points I received in that thread, now deleted?
Sorry, haha.

Don't know what happens to reputation points given on a deleted post/thread, to speak the truth. Do you still see the thread listed among the "latest reputation received" tab in the Settings/User CP page (http://forums.ffshrine.org/usercp.php) (assuming you have recently received rep for that post)?

notice spam / advertisements / things mods & admins need to deal with (Thread 30368)

You do of course realize that 99% of confusion and misunderstanding in human discourse is a direct result of poor communication. That vague thread title is a perfect example. As was Sarah's supremely vague 20th Cent. notice.

Besides, there's a banned label sticky in the Downloads forum. Why wouldn't there be a "Report Upload" sticky as well?

You do of course realize that 99% of confusion and misunderstanding in human discourse is a direct result of poor communication. That vague thread title is a perfect example. As was Sarah's supremely vague 20th Cent. notice.

Besides, there's a banned label sticky in the Downloads forum. Why wouldn't there be a "Report Upload" sticky as well?
Yeah, I do, but I don't thnk the thread's title is vague: forbidden material found in any part of Download Links (Requests included) technically falls under "things mods & admins need to deal with".

I remember being kind of baffled by the location of the "report stuff" thread myself, but I simply chalked it up to this place not being born as an illegal-sharing haven; it simply has never been moved. Forum-regulars of the time knew where they had to go, by the time Download Links got added, other new users (like me), snooped around, took notice of where that thread and remembered for posterity. :laugh:

Perhaps over the years I've become too accustomed to reading the ravings of mods complaining that users don't read thread titles and keep posting in the wrong thread/section.

So, again, to me at least, something as serious as a thread dedicated to reporting banned material should be readily identifiable on a quick scan of a forum.

It's simple data visualization stuff.

As far as simple data visualization is concerned, it is already in the best available forum. The report-thread has to be reached by "every user", not simply those who browse Film, TV and Classical Music, you seem to have forgotten that on there we also have forbidden material concerning video game franchises+specific composers/artists.
The thread has to be in a place generally accessible by anyone, not just those who browse a certain part of the forum, we can't move it to Downloads (http://forums.ffshrine.org/forumdisplay.php?f=90), either.

I suppose you could ask Jessie to duplicate the thread, maybe, but things got screwed up a bit the last time we tried something like that, if I remember correctly. EDIT: Hell, it should be possible to clone the thread; managed to copy the music that may NOT be posted for legal reasons one, after a few attempts:

Original thread (Thread 49829) - Copy located in "Video Game Music Download Links" (Thread 214356)

Well, wherever the hell it belongs, ultimately it all comes down to people being able to recognize the purpose of an admin authored thread on the spot without having to ask a follow-up who, what, where, how and why.

N'est pas?

I mean, Sarah's OP in that thread doesn't even include "report contraband here", for instance.

Say bye bye to anything:

Alien
Star Wars
Planet of the Apes
Predator
X-Men
Fantastic 4

�and lots and lots of other goodies.

20th Century Fox 1935-1999 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_20th_Century_Fox_films_(1935�99))

20th Century Fox 2000-Present (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_20th_Century_Fox_films_(2000�present))

And, yes, there was briefly a "Twentieth Century Fox Film Scores" label. Titles such as "The Day the Earth Stood Still", "The Robe" and "How Green Was My Valley" were first released under this label. And, of course, there was the "Fox" label; the first release of Goldsmith's "Bad Girls" was released through them.

Just out of curiosity, how did the issues surrounding Fox, Varese, and many other labels and artists come up? I assume copyright take downs were the main reason...

I'd guess legal representatives of each corporation approached the board and demanded they remove the infringing content or be taken to court.

Just out of curiosity, how did the issues surrounding Fox, Varese, and many other labels and artists come up? I assume copyright take downs were the main reason...

- Some of them simply "took notice" of the sharing of their material going on around here and contacted the staff;

- As for Var�se: years ago there was a user who both had troubles expressing himself/herself in English+was somewhat annoying in the way he/she often requested stuff, a group of then-regulars started to mock the user at any chance, even when he/she "took the hint" and calmed down with requests.
The guy got annoyed and openly stated he/she would have sent e-mails to label companies. Lo and behold, a few days later Var�se gets suddenly added to the forbidden list. This is very likely the reason its first ban got issued. Years later, Var�se itself took once again notice of this dump and the way sharing of its releases kept happening, so they put a stop to PM-sharing and everything else;

- FilmScoreMonthly, if I remember correctly, an idiot who also happened to be the "director" of a Star Trek Boxset release (a pet project of his) threw a perfect child's tantrum around here when he found out his album got shared, also making a thread over his own board about how he was going to crush FFShrine and to encourage his users to come here and start a ruckus/flood the place with crap. I pity that guy, so immature, despite his age.

- Some of them simply "took notice" of the sharing of their material going on around here and contacted the staff;

- As for Var�se: years ago there was a user who both had troubles expressing himself/herself in English+was somewhat annoying in the way he/she often requested stuff, a group of then-regulars started to mock the user at any chance, even when he/she "took the hint" and calmed down with requests.
The guy got annoyed and openly stated he/she would have sent e-mails to label companies. Lo and behold, a few days later Var�se gets suddenly added to the forbidden list. This is very likely the reason its first ban got issued. Years later, Var�se itself took once again notice of this dump and the way sharing of its releases kept happening, so they put a stop to PM-sharing and everything else;

- FilmScoreMonthly, if I remember correctly, an idiot who also happened to be the "director" of a Star Trek Boxset release (a pet project of his) threw a perfect child's tantrum around here when he found out his album got shared, also making a thread over his own board about how he was going to crush FFShrine and to encourage his users to come here and start a ruckus/flood the place with crap. I pity that guy, so immature, despite his age.

(Sigh) You have to be kidding me... I so hope that someone takes the hint and buys out the rights to all the scores Varese currently owns... while also being more accepting of us Shriners.

Sure, why shouldn't they be "accepting"? It's not like most of us fucking pirates are waiting to illegally share/download the scores they spend money to put together in nice packages… Oh, wait. You've got to be kidding me. ;)

(Sigh) You have to be kidding me... I so hope that someone takes the hint and buys out the rights to all the scores Varese currently owns... while also being more accepting of us Shriners.

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Holy shit, I hope you're a troll. This is without a doubt the stupidest thing I've read on the Shrine in recent memory. Yeah, genius, someone should spend a zillion dollars buying out Varese Sarabande - one of the oldest and most recognizable names in film music CD production - and then be more welcoming of the people stealing those properties mercilessly. :smrt:

I think the only way this site is ever going to be safe is for the Downloads section to be removed outright and for the original purpose of this site to be more prominent. I'm actually genuinely surprised that it has managed to evade the ban in the UK with regards to piracy that was forced on ISPs.

I think the only way this site is ever going to be safe is for the Downloads section to be removed outright and for the original purpose of this site to be more prominent. I'm actually genuinely surprised that it has managed to evade the ban in the UK with regards to piracy that was forced on ISPs.

You mean as a Final Fantasy site? I think that ship sailed lonnnnng ago.
But you'll notice that it's almost never the Video Game Music downloads section that's getting into trouble, nor the Anime Music one. It's always the Film Music section. It's not just trouble with the music labels; there are egos in the Film Music section. Bart Oss, powaquatsi, lordssp, all those retards. Now sometimes I've seen similar spats in the lossless video game music thread (Thread 126974) but nothing on the level that you could find in Film Music Downloads. The problem has never been with the downloads section as a whole but a very certain subsection.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8jzet9Gwk1r5gvy8.gif

Holy shit, I hope you're a troll. This is without a doubt the stupidest thing I've read on the Shrine in recent memory. Yeah, genius, someone should spend a zillion dollars buying out Varese Sarabande - one of the oldest and most recognizable names in film music CD production - and then be more welcoming of the people stealing those properties mercilessly. :smrt:

I probably should've thought that through a little more... (facepalm)

- FilmScoreMonthly, if I remember correctly, an idiot who also happened to be the "director" of a Star Trek Boxset release (a pet project of his) threw a perfect child's tantrum around here when he found out his album got shared, also making a thread over his own board about how he was going to crush FFShrine and to encourage his users to come here and start a ruckus/flood the place with crap. I pity that guy, so immature, despite his age.


The guy you're referring to is Lukas Kendall, who was the founder of Film Score Monthly, so for him to be upset about the sharing of the FSM "Star Trek: The Next Generation - The Ron Jones Project" box set was entirely understandable....it was released under his own label. Not that I'm any sort of defender of the guy, because I couldn't stand his bullshit for years:

He was actively publishing all kinds of personal attacks and hate about composers like James Horner for years - all under his FSM magazine and later the corresponding messageboard. He had a clear agenda with that need to "rally the troops" against what Horner (specifically, though other composers got a bit of it as well) was all about, his work, his personal life, and so on. Something it literally took him OVER A DECADE to grow up from and get over, but really it was when he saw the moneymaking potential to earn cash from Horner's two Star Trek scores and expanded them (without Horner's involvement, I might add) which prompted him to finally shut up.

But really it was when he saw the moneymaking potential to earn cash from Horner's two Star Trek scores and expanded them (without Horner's involvement, I might add) which prompted him to finally shut up.

Are you sure about that? This market is very niche, I doubt that gave him a lot of money

Are you sure about that? This market is very niche, I doubt that gave him a lot of money

JHFan never said it made Kendall rich, he just spoke about moneymaking "potential".

JHFan never said it made Kendall rich, he just spoke about moneymaking "potential".

Exactly, since Horner's two Trek scores were long sought-after for expansions and Kendall obviously was well aware of it.

Fan or not, it made sense from a business perspective.

It helped to pave the way for the rest of the scores as well, so it was win-win for the fans and the labels who all coordinated their expansions to fit a particular style and format (except for GNP it seemed).

The guy you're referring to is Lukas Kendall, who was the founder of Film Score Monthly, so for him to be upset about the sharing of the FSM "Star Trek: The Next Generation - The Ron Jones Project" box set was entirely understandable....it was released under his own label. Not that I'm any sort of defender of the guy, because I couldn't stand his bullshit for years.
I had (and still have) no problems with the guy being upset, anyone who found himself/herself exactly in the same circumstances would have been, I apologize if my post conveyed the impression I was miffed by that; what I shook my head at was part of his reaction: telling your own folks to come to the place and flood it with crap? Talk about showing how much of an "adult" he was, at least at the time.
Someone in his position should have handled things in a better way (I mean, he could have kept silent and legally proceeded with operation "crush FFShrine", but he had none of that, much better to create a thread which turns you in a laughing stock for someone with a bit more maturity than you, despite the age-gap).

In another thread I read that the music distribution rights for Star Wars 1-2-3 and 5-6 are going from Fox to Disney in 2020... That would make them allowed in here when it'll happen? Or you think they'll still to be banned because Fox distributed the films?

Most importantly, Disney owns the right to the music now. But Leon wants to be better safe than sorry

No offense but come on, is there anyone who doesn't have Star Wars music, or access to it, if they want it?

It's hardly the end of the world to see that specifically go.

It can only be a matter of time before Disney comes after this place anyway.

If Disney, Warner Bros and Paramout come here, we're done.

Can't wait

I don't understand why you folks don't simply set up another board, where all those "bans" wouldn't be in effect.

Well, leaving a comfortable haven and steering your ship away to shores far away and uncertain in nature is very scary to some people...

To quote General Trelane (retired):

"... so many questions. Make the most of an uncertain future. Enjoy yourself today. Tomorrow may never come at all."
(Star Trek, "The Squire of Gothos", season 1, Jan. 1967)

That's a colorful quote for such a mundane situation! Using the Internet isn't a voyage across the sea, it would just be clicking a different link. If and when the Shrine goes down I already have options in place. My offer still stands. (Thread 214260)

I don't understand why you folks don't simply set up another board, where all those "bans" wouldn't be in effect.

People have tried. Numerous times.
They have tried and failed.

They have even tried using private forums. But still died off from DMCA takedowns.

Finding a server that allows distribution of pirated content is not that easy (nor cheap!).

People have tried. Numerous times.
They have tried and failed.

They have even tried using private forums. But still died off from DMCA takedowns.

Finding a server that allows distribution of pirated content is not that easy (nor cheap!).
I'd bet there really isn't a server which allows pirated content, sooner or later they all go down. Heck, even The Pirate Bay went through a bit of trouble, if I remember correctly… At any rate, there are also chat-channels, as possible options.

I don't know, I feel like the Shrine is no longer a good, nor viable option for movie scores (and soundtracks') hoarders. You're better off setting up shop somewhere else; you won't have this place's "visibility" on search engines, none of its restrictions and if you play it smart, you would last.
Fuck, my community is almost thirteen years old, we have no Download Links/Requests subforums, we don't create threads, either, yet we've been sharing for that long. To any outsider my place looks like a hangout for folks who love(d) to play FINAL FANTASY Ⅺ.
We're human beings, we're supposed to be smart, take whatever counter-measure you can… Don't go advertising what are you really planning to do with the web-space given to you, go as far as only "file-sharing" with people you trust, if you feel you have to.

The Shrine is an anomaly, not the norm. I'm personally more surprised by the fact that places like EmuParadise are still online.

i leave for a week and this has 6 pages?

Let's build a new place!

Why do i feel like i know you

And banned..

What took so long?

Honestly, I have no clue who any of these people are. Must be due to me not being on the forums for very long and only sticking to a few sections of it.

And banned..

What took so long?
Damn late reply, I know, but it's really no "State secret": the official reason behind that is an initial lack of enough evidence on my end, in other words, I've been waiting to find multiple matches of IP addresses and confirm that that user was, in fact, a sockpuppet account� I'd rather not start to ban users just because of a single case of shared IP address, because even though it becomes more rare with each passing day, it still happens.

Honestly, I have no clue who any of these people are. Must be due to me not being on the forums for very long and only sticking to a few sections of it.
Haha, you're doing the best thing. Mere file-sharers and leechers are the "safest" types of users a board like this can have, all things considered.

You better start a case on Miss Purple.

Ah come on Ponyo, Backseat Moderating isn't cool.

Leon is on Top of Things.

Heh, still can't do shit about M.P., without being "accused" of not having proof, that is. Not that I'd really care about not having proof, but this ain't my place.

User named sarerere is Bart Oss. Just sent me a PM advertising all his stuff.