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CLONEMASTER 6.53
01-27-2017, 09:41 AM
Yes, it's true that he's being incredibly true to his words (the only thing I would give credit for), but there's clearly no thinking regarding what might be the long term effects. Hell, with the way things are going so quickly, what the hell will he do after every promise is commited to? It seems that is all he had in mind, so it'll be a pretty rough time having Trump with nothing to say for the next four years.

What will he do after every promise is committed to? Simple, for one; since there will always be problems and conflict in the world, so will always the drive to solve those conflicts. And following those accomplishments, there is, in addition to the persistent presence of conflict to rectify, also a persistent service being employed to keep America safe, and / or 'Keep America Great', as his next campaign slogan has revealed. Or simply to adequately maintain our economy and government, and providing the political service, for the cause, that they're employed to be doing, which is why Obama failed so miserably in his administration; because he and his administration knowingly ignored the service they say they were supposed to provide for the American citizens. But that's a whole other thing.

Added point: There's no way, even at the rate he's going, that he will finish what set out to do within a four year increment; it will be take eight years, or more, at the very least.


Plus, the reason the media is so keen to be negative about Trump is because there's too much of it that's actually ocurring. I doubt it'd be there if previous history and the many bizarre moments were absent.

Too much of what actually occurring? Whether you mean what Trump is getting accomplished, or general conflict and war in the world, that's still the media's public job to report honestly on those happenings (which I've already explained how they don't and why)


Lastly, he's way too egocentric in a way that at least Obama and Clinton weren't blatantly so. Like, him deleting posts regarding the attendance of the inauguration is fucking pathetic.

That's true. And that's why Obama and Clinton succeeded as positive icons with a supposed positive drive to the public. But also, Donald Trump is a character of his own. :laugh:


I'm incredibly grateful to living in a state like California, who'll ensure that any potential damage done will not affect us. Hell, it's entirely possible that I will no longer be American in the next four years, just a pure Californian. Because as it stands, I leave this flame worthy statement: Trump is probably the most ambitious man since Hitler, and in an age like this, that's saying a hell of a lot.

It is. And that ambition matters a hell of a lot as well, but also his means and drive of that ambition is well-purposed to a good objective.


As long as it doesn't threaten my family, I'll never take those words back.

Since I'm assuming you and your family are US citizens, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Tanis
01-27-2017, 09:42 AM
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HeadphonesGirl
01-28-2017, 08:29 AM
How do I know that the mainstream media is biased?

Look at how fixated they are at the crowd size of Trump's inauguration. Look at how relentlessly hostile they are about Donald Trump. They are the only collective that continue and persist that he is lying. All CNN wants to do is call Trump a liar; racist; white-supremacist; misogynist; whatever other now-politicized terms they can come up with, and by their math because they say it is so, it is so. No one of the controlled-media ever called out Clinton for being a liar (or anything else she truly was), even when she's more blatantly demonstrated that she is a liar more so than Trump ever has with his supposed lies; that are actually just rather bold statements that are taken with extreme offense to by the media and those who follow their reality. The media is colluded and in a partnership with the alt-left radical movement. They're only in it to report what they see as helpful to their cause, not for (f)actual information to be told of what happens, as it happens, behind closed doors. Bullshit like crowd size is the media's attention - not what actually matters, like all of the immense progress that Trump's made within the first five days of his presidency; they've not said a word about it as of now, but they'll 'talk' about how Spicer lied when he only pointed out how dishonest and irresponsible the AP (Associated Press) were in how they reported their information to us. Or they'll 'talk' about how Trump was divided in his speech instead of united in its message - which was its message. You'd have to be living in an alternate reality to see his speech as 'dark, depressing and divided' instead what anybody with common-sense could take away from its point. Or they'll 'talk' about how in his speech insulted people on stage, when he wouldn't have any reason to if they weren't involved in shady shit and instead did their jobs like they say they do.

They themselves - Clinton, Obama, most politicians, etc are only in it for their own interest, cause, and benefit. Not to the American people's interests. Not to serve and protect us and our drive for a prosperous lifetime, only to serve and protect themselves. Their oh so very credible media are in secret supportive of that cause, by how they control what's released and what goes out, and the intentional effect it will have, as well as referral to the White House and places like InfoWars as 'fake news' when it's the exact opposite and such has been spoken for a very long time, which is a definitely longer bout than when the media began deflecting that argument to the opposite side. They too, benefit from supporting their cause as they're paid for doing it. They're lazy, they don't do their jobs, they don't research what they report on Trump's doings; they're instead told what to say and how to say it, and, typical handling and behavior of their false claims consist of being overly dramatic and disproportionate on the smallest points that they've made out of bigger spectacles, and little trivia that they make the biggest deal out of. They don't employ investigative journalism - because journalism doesn't work to their enterprise; there's no money in it. They only employ misrepresentation, exaggeration, and distortion of facts in their method of reporting, using what they call journalism, and a tactic of repeating a lie often enough for it be deemed believable. Because of their high stance within the media, long establishment as a respected business(s), and credibility, they're allowed to do this. They are fake news. People will believe that crap because 'it's from CBS!'. Further explanation and elaboration (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/01/23/reporters-tell-me-the-truth-off-the-record-the-fake-news-business/), and example;

“Reporters in my business have two choices. They can lower their IQs and become cynics, or they can maintain their intelligence and get booted out. That’s what it comes down to. Anybody with an IQ over 90 can see we have agendas. The whole business is agenda-driven. The main job of a reporter who wants to keep working is developing a cover—pretending he’s speaking the truth. This is a cover for his real identity. A guy who pleases his bosses. Several of us had the whole Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky story before it was published. We wanted to go with it, but we were told to sit on it. So it was our job to agree with that assessment. We had to pretend we didn’t have enough proof yet. We had the proof, but we had to make it seem like we were responsible journalists and needed more. That was a bunch of crap. The agenda was to protect ourselves from the wrath of the White House. That’s what the editors and the publishers were talking about among themselves. Sure—protect the president. But the real thing was the fear that he and his people would strike back at us and do us damage.”

They're biased as all hell.

And the fact of the matter is, they have to be, or they'll lose their job. It's something they fall in to, and others stay in because they want the money. And these quotes are from people who sooner or later realized it, and made the decision to get out of that deceptive void; the business of where your doing your job is based upon whatever headlines will make the money and sell the stories - even if they must fabricate the material in such a way to make it believable, rather than being based upon fact, truthful reporting on fact, and being honest about it. They're entirely agenda-driven, not truth-driven.

Does that make sense? Or is it just coming from my slanted conservative-based value table?


Oh, and guess what? Donald Trump is not a liar. Nor is his staff. He's already, within the first seven days of his presidency, fulfilled and made good on the promises that he'd made a point of during his campaign.

He's already reiterating those many promises that he continually made. He's signed a total of five (more, as I speak) executive orders thus far, (such as for Keystone XL Pipeline, or sanctuary cities) and he's also been transparent about it. Like even going as far as to put a camera up to his signing basically indicating; "Look, I signed this. This is what it's about." That cannot be disputed.

He's cracking down on the urgency and importance of border security (don't tell me the wall shouldn't be built; Mexico is and should be held both accountable and responsible for whoever crosses(ed) over that border, and despite recurrent affirmations from the Mexican president that they will not be paying for the wall; they will end up paying for the wall, in some form, one way, or another.) It's an attribute essential to our sovereignty.

He, within the first hour, withdrew us from the Trans-Pacific-Partnership - another campaign promise.

He's eliminated Obamacare, which he said he'd do, and which he's had a replacement plan for, and he's already nearly or completely reversed and eradicated all of Obama's foreign policies, amnesties. and (illegal) acts he's committed as a president that have proven to be detrimental to the nation's government, as well as it's financial status. Donald Trump has erased all of the crap that Barack Obama has 'done for the American people' and practically destroyed his reputation.

He's made progress in his claims that he can establish and maintain a positive relationship and peaceful negotiations with foreign countries, and has already met with various Prime Ministers and other world leaders, and has other planned meetings (with Prime Minister of Great Britain, for example). This is another affair that he was insistent in how he could straight up ace it.

The country is overall benefiting from what he's accomplished. For example, the Dow hit 20K for the first time in history just recently. Another example, job creation; Ford cancelled plans for moving to Mexico and invested $700 million in a plant in Michigan, and as a result about 700 jobs were saved that would've instead shifted to Mexico. This ties in with Trump's championing that he could create jobs for the American people. It's on behalf of Trump influencing policies and laws to a certain direction by means of all of what he was allowed to do within the jurisdiction as a president-elect. Similar happenings with Sprint and OneWeb occurred as to how they announced they would be adding thousands of jobs to the US within their respective companies. Once again a result of what Trump had already done to make that possible. Before he even took office, he proved to be quite the job creator - as he promised.

And I don't believe we've ever seen a president tackle and run through a checklist of promises as persistently, effectively, and steadily as he has this past week. These were all fundamental promises; immigration, unnecessary regulations, corporate tax cuts, providing of American jobs, extreme vetting of refugees, the appointing of an (most likely) originalist justice on the supreme court, border security (building the wall), energy independence, giving education back to the states, and, at that, the government back to the people. It's like watching an executive work in contrast to how a politician will work, an executive will role up his sleeves and get the work done. Trump is and always has been more than willing to do just this. He's a hard worker. He's working faster than the speed of light, it's utterly amazing. I was confident that he could do it, and I was right, and so was he. Donald Trump is simply not a liar. At least not where it really counts. If anything whatsoever, he's only ever made a quite small amount of very trivial mistakes that are irrelevant to the main cause, and the media takes these and unjustifiably expands upon them as news, on a regular basis, and that's how they've made him look bad to half the population. They've gotten everything about him wrong - go and ask anybody who personally knows him.

And what reason does Trump have to lie in the first place? He doesn't, because he's coming into the political arena without ever having set foot within it; therefore no crookedly-biased or slanted political standpoint to 'broadcast lies' from.


On the inauguration and it's debate; the photographic evidence is most definitely deniable, and here's the why, and the how; http://ijr.com/2017/01/784781-the-highest-quality-photograph-of-trumps-inauguration-yet-has-been-released-guess-what-the-crowd-looks-like/

The photo being passed around in 'comparisons' was deliberately taken before the whole of the audience arrived, and that was one of the easiest stunts that could've been pulled in the attempt of lying about it's attendance, or basically saying "See? no one cares for this Trump guy. Now give up." Sean Spicer's point was that, beforehand, the media intentionally framed Trump's inauguration crowd size as an unrealistically significant measure smaller than Obama's; purposely demonstrating what could technically be considered 'immature' evidence that was passed off as the comparison between Trump's and Obama's inauguration attendance. The 'gigapixel' of Trump's inauguration that CNN provided proves Trump's and Spicer's claims that the audience did reach nearly all the way back to the Washington Monument; space that was seen completely empty in "clear, undeniable photographic evidence" presented before, which this gigapixel also disproves, and simultaneously proves that the precedent photographic evidence provided as comparison was taken before the whole of the audience arrived, and was in fact used to discourage and distort real enthusiasm for the inauguration and President Trump himself.

I think this was most surprising and quite rare on CNN's part to have brought forth a clear, extremely detailed, high resolution photo of the inauguration area, and believe they did so because, if they dragged out the claims of insignificant attendance at the inauguration any longer, while there exists a photo that can potentially be utilized as proof for Spicer's and Trump's claims, (and therefore cannot be further disputed) they would indeed lose their credibility and it would become even more perfectly obvious what they're trying to do.

And Spicer's claims that it was the largest audience an inauguration has ever drawn still hold true as he's forthrightly made that statement with total and collective of the physical attendance, the digital streaming and viewership of the web and television, tallied with even the protesters who continually blocked any possible entry way, and as a result, made a lot of people afraid to try to attempt to get into the inauguration, without being attacked.

Sean Spicer insists that 'our intention is never to lie to you', and this is kept up by how he's openly and admittedly corrected any unintentionally-mistaken information that was reported, and by how the claims that they persist to stand by, are proven by what I explained above; something that will still probably be ignored so that they can justify their reporting on how Trump, Spicer, and the White House are lying and that their alternative facts are lies.

There's no reason why Donald Trump's presidential inauguration wouldn't attract the largest audience, considering Trump's status as a wealthy, famous, well-respected businessman, and who he is, Donald J. Trump; a businessman who was fed-up with the demeanor that politics have taken over the cumulative of a couple decades (so was half the population, obviously; they voted him in), and how politicized the collective of the media, government, and politicians have made everything, decided 'not anymore', and that he would run for president to make a promise to bring change that he's already delivered upon. And as a bystander watching the country's decline for so many years, as well as being an expert in negotiation and many other business tactics; things that he's very well educated on, he knows exactly what he's doing, and how to do it, and how to get it done. His transparency of his activities is purposed to the effect to let America know that's he's determinedly getting shit done, at an astonishing rate, that is exceeding most of all of the previous administrations.

So guess what? The 'Trump Train' has left the station, and we, as a nation not divided upon itself, need to unite behind him and accept that he was elected as and is the President of the United States, just as we all did when Barack Obama was elected twice. "Not my president" my fucking ass. Protesters like that and people of the alt-left belief system (leftists), as well as the alt-left itself (which consists of the media's majority) are entirely detrimental to the alt-right's (conservative's) and Donald Trumps's cause to undertake a course of actions to improve America and our quality of life; ultimately to 'Make America Great Again', and what the controlled media reports on the Trump administration is taken without regard by Trump and his cabinet themselves, and they're going to do what they need to do to get desired the result anyway. All the while ferociously fighting the media, exposing them for the profoundly-biased and slanted sources that they are, and holding them accountable for every lie that they make. It's going to be a fun ride. Strap in, we face plenty of opposition at every turn. ;)

Once again, TK, I'm not going to persist to argue a fact that a clear basis of understanding and comprehension, as well common-sense, is required to be able to contend and demonstrate those fundamentals and concepts in the first place, because that would be foolish on my part, as well as a waste of time on both of ours.


Alright, let's talk about the inauguration numbers first. I've seen the interactive CNN photo in the post you linked to. It's a good way to get a look at the event, but there is a reason for the specific comparison photos people have been using to look at the two inaugurations: they are taken from exactly the same place, at approximately the same time, right around (slightly before, as I understand it) noon. It was at noon that Trump was sworn in as president, and presumably Obama as well.

When comparing crowd sizes you can't use pictures that are taken from completely different angles. Notice that the CNN gigapixel shot is from a low angle. Because of its perspective, gaps in the crowd are obscured. If you want to understand how big of an impact this has, go back to the Earthcam photo I posted, here:

Note how from that perspective, you can see that the crowd size looks very much like it does in the photo from the Washington monument. Note that the higher the perspective the smaller the crowd looks. This is the normal way perspective works: when you look out across a large space from the ground, because it goes back into the distance it appears vast. It will disappear over the horizon. If you can fly up above it and look down, you can see its actual size in comparison to its surroundings much more accurately.

Again, keep in mind that ALL of these photos, including the gigapixel one, are taken at approximately the same time. How do I know when the Gigapixel one is taken? Easy, it's clearly taken while Trump is giving his address since you can see him speaking at the podium. The address was given immediately after he was sworn in at 12 noon. So there is very little time difference in any of these three photos.

Thus, there is absolutely nothing dishonest about the media reporting the crowd size. In fact, if they'd made a comparison using this gigapixel image, it actually would have been less informative because we can clearly see that it does not give as accurate an impression of the crowd size.

There is then also the evidence of the Metro ticket sales which corroborates the impression given by the photo comparisons. The figures were given by Metro itself, there is no ambiguity about them. They make it abundantly clear that Metro use during Obama's inauguration greatly exceeded Trump's, blatantly contradicting the absolutely false claim made by Spicer that Trump's were greater. Look them up, they're published everywhere.

Now let's talk about Trump's campaign promises. Most people do not doubt his honesty about his intentions there, including the media. No one has doubted that he wants to build the wall, though obvious concerns have been raised about its practicality (and I really don't think Mexico is going to pay for it, but believe what you wish). No one has doubted that he really wants to deport undocumented immigrants and separate children who were born in this country from their parents. No one has doubted that he wants to repeal Obamacare (you are jumping the gun on that, by the way -- the work of actually repealing it falls to the Republican congress, not that there is any doubt they will do so). Quite the opposite: we all believe quite strongly that he plans to do these things, and it's a large part of the reason why there is such enormous opposition to him. There may be one significant campaign promise he doesn't keep though -- cutting Medicare and Social Security. I sincerely hope that he does stick to his word and veto any attempts by the Republicans to do this. We shall see.

What Trump lies about are facts, not his own intentions. Since you don't like the lies about the inauguration, how about when he denied he ever said climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese government? See the very Tweet where he said it right in the video. He clearly said during the debate, "I did not say that." Easily provable lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEgV9QFZUMg

How about the fact that he claimed that 3 million people illegally voted in the general election? That is a blatant lie. He has never even attempted to give a source for it, because there is no source beyond his ass. It's a load of shit and it's indefensible. If you want to tell me that Trump doesn't lie, show me evidence that 3 million people illegally voted for Hillary.

There are too many examples of this for me to go through, so here. If you dare, just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7_bo74VMA

Literally a thirteen minute compilation of him lying, on video, with incontrovertible evidence showing that he's wrong, often contradicting himself directly. The first example is him at the Republican primary debate saying "I can't believe they said I was in favor of invading Libya, I never said that" and then an older clip of him talking to a camera about how we should immediately go in and invade Libya. It goes on and on. If you can watch this video and then tell me with a straight face that Trump isn't a liar you're legitimately delusional.

Ultimately, the really telling line in your whole post, for me, was this: "And what reason does Trump have to lie in the first place? He doesn't, because he's coming into the political arena without ever having set foot within it; therefore no crookedly-biased or slanted political standpoint to 'broadcast lies' from."

I'm sorry but I can only call this naive. What reason does he have to lie? The reason is very obviously to deflect criticism, try to make himself look good and his opponents look bad. Most of the time when people lie they're not doing it as part of a crooked political scheme. They're doing it because they want to appear a certain way, hide things about themselves or otherwise obtain something they want.

One more note. You like the fact that Ford decided to invest in the Michigan plant (even though Trump did not actually arrange anything with them, but I'm fine with loosely attributing it to his influence). Well, guess who accurately reported that news? The apparently malevolent CNN: http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/03/news/economy/ford-700-jobs-trump/

If CNN just tells constant lies about Trump, why would they report this when it appears to reflect favorably on him? There's no slant there. It's just the facts. This is what I think you aren't understanding. The mainstream media does, for the most part, have a lot of opposition to Trump, yes. In my opinion that's warranted, in yours not; fair enough. But you claim the fact that they publish so many op eds that are anti-Trump is evidence that their reporting is dishonest. And that is where you're allowing yourself be taken on a ride by Trump and his cronies.

In news reporting the mainstream media has ethical standards for accuracy. Does this mean they always get everything 100% accurate and that no one ever publishes something false? Of course not. But it does mean that, for the most part, they get things right, and the vast majority of the time when they do get something wrong they issue retractions and corrections. There are plenty of examples of this on a regular basis from the NYT, CNN, and anyone else you guys love to lump into the apparent conspiracy against Trump.

In op eds these media outlets will publish opinions -- like that Trump is a fascist -- and they will make reference to facts while keeping those separate from the opinions. Again, if such facts are discovered to be incorrect, corrections are normally made. A good example is a recent op ed by Ben Jacobs in the Guardian in which he made wildly inaccurate claims about what Julian Assange had said in an interview with an Italian journalist about Russia. After these inaccuracies were pointed out, the Guardian revised the article to remove them. Contrast with Trump who almost never admits to being wrong even when caught in a lie. And it was actually a reporter very much on the left, Glenn Greenwald, who drew most of the attention to how wrong the Guardian article was. Frankly, I personally still don't consider them entirely forgiven -- it was enormously irresponsible that the original version of that article got past editorial. There are many legitimate things to criticize about the way the mainstream media works, and the link you posted to Mr. Rappoport's blog, though I have not invested the time to read all of it, certainly appears to detail some of them. But you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You're participating in a demonization of the press that allows Trump to say whatever he wants and you and others will automatically defend him because you feel the media simply must be wrong whenever they criticize him.

Trying to reverse my accusations against me doesn't work. For a recent example, I've been extremely critical of the way the media handled everything in relation to the allegations of a Russian connection. I've been arguing since the day that stuff came out that both the media, and many of my friends and family, have been far too eager to jump on it and believe it with far too little evidence. I'll give you my facebook and you can add me to dig through my status history if you want - you'll find me engaged in some pretty lengthy debates on this subject. There are many voices that spoke up on the left saying the same thing. Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! had guests on the show who fiercely criticized the eager acceptance of the allegations by progressives with no critical thought. Greenwald ran many articles on The Intercept pointing out how unreliable the reports were and accusing Democrats of using them as a scapegoat for their own failures in the election. Matt Taibbi wrote a widely shared article for Rolling Stone calling the reports into question and demanding more evidence from the intelligence agencies. These are all overtly left sources which are overtly anti-Trump, and I agree with them on all those points.

See, there is a middle ground, one which relies on what some psychologists refer to as integrative complexity in thinking. Integrative complexity is the ability to consider many points of view on an issue without dogmatically sticking to one overarching principle or belief; high-IC thinkers have been found to be much better at understanding and predicting world events than low-IC thinkers, who tend to think of everything they see in terms of a few guiding principles that always determine the outlook. When you adopt the conspiracy theory view that the media is all actively engaged in an intentional scheme to spread outright falsehoods, you're using low-IC thinking: you've taken an impression you have and applied it to an entire group of people uncritically. You've got a story and you're sticking to it. But I analyze these issues on a case-by-case basis. In the case of the inauguration numbers, I look at all the available evidence. I find out the times that the photographs were taken. I consider the different perspective of each photograph. I consider supporting evidence like the Metro tickets. I don't just find one source I agree with and then defend it. In regards to the Russia allegations, I did the same thing. I examined the claims of the CIA, the private security agency reports and the evidence they claimed they had for the Russian hacker connection, and the Buzzfeed dossier on Trump. I found all of these things to be wholly unconvincing. Note, of course, this doesn't mean I dismiss the possibility of Russian involvement in the Trump campaign - but it means that the evidence on offer is not sufficient to approve it, and I absolutely felt the media was irresponsibly overeager to report it instead of demanding more evidence. But the difference between you and me is that I don't therefore assume that the media is intentionally lying or trying to spread misinformation. I think they're committed to accuracy and they sometimes mess up on that because they are human beings.

So am I saying all this is just you following your alt right narrative? Yes, that's what I'm saying. But believe it or not, I am not trying to call you an idiot, or accuse you of dishonesty. I believe that you genuinely believe what you're saying, and I would not bother to argue these points with you if I didn't think you are intelligent enough to see facts for what they are - if you choose to. I don't expect you to come out of this and say, "gee, I guess I was wrong." But someday, down the line, you might think more critically as a result of it. If not, at least I tried.

CLONEMASTER 6.53
01-28-2017, 10:33 AM
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Thanks for replying. I'll contemplate a bit more on it before saying anything else at this point. And I'll need to sleep on it anyway because it's late.

SonicAdventure
01-28-2017, 11:27 AM
I have to answer to some of this. Not all, it simply would take too long.


Because of their high stance within the media, long establishment as a respected business(s), and credibility, they're allowed to do this. They are fake news. People will believe that crap because 'it's from CBS!'. Further explanation and elaboration (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/01/23/reporters-tell-me-the-truth-off-the-record-the-fake-news-business/), and example;

�Reporters in my business have two choices. They can lower their IQs and become cynics, or they can maintain their intelligence and get booted out. That�s what it comes down to. Anybody with an IQ over 90 can see we have agendas. The whole business is agenda-driven. The main job of a reporter who wants to keep working is developing a cover�pretending he�s speaking the truth. This is a cover for his real identity. A guy who pleases his bosses. Several of us had the whole Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky story before it was published. We wanted to go with it, but we were told to sit on it. So it was our job to agree with that assessment. We had to pretend we didn�t have enough proof yet. We had the proof, but we had to make it seem like we were responsible journalists and needed more. That was a bunch of crap. The agenda was to protect ourselves from the wrath of the White House. That�s what the editors and the publishers were talking about among themselves. Sure�protect the president. But the real thing was the fear that he and his people would strike back at us and do us damage.�

You accuse "mainstream"-media of lies but choose to believe a self-called journalist? If you did your research you would already know that Jon Rappoport is as right-wing conservative as they come. And completely ridiculous to boot. He sees conspiracies everywhere (do you have any idea how much money, time and resources it would need to get just one conspiracy going, not to mention all people involved being silent about it?). Furthermore, in the quote above he links cynicism with intelligence. A) there's nothing to support this and B) traditionally, cynicism is regarded as a sign of intelligence, not the opposite.

A sign of a good journalist is that he researches the things he writes about. You know, the truth. Rappoport is anti-vaccination, that alone clearly shows that he has no interest in researching what he's raging about. Would he do so, he would discover tons of - scientific - research not hampered by subjectivism. Besides, what you linked to is a blog. By definition, blogs are personal and subjective, they don't have valid or - gosh! - reputable information.


Oh, and guess what? Donald Trump is not a liar. Nor is his staff. He's already, within the first seven days of his presidency, fulfilled and made good on the promises that he'd made a point of during his campaign.

He's already reiterating those many promises that he continually made. He's signed a total of five (more, as I speak) executive orders thus far, (such as for Keystone XL Pipeline, or sanctuary cities) and he's also been transparent about it. Like even going as far as to put a camera up to his signing basically indicating; "Look, I signed this. This is what it's about." That cannot be disputed.

Did he now? Let's have the facts, shall we?

Yes, he signed them. On TV so that every person can see what he has done. But what about the legitimacy of the things he signed? Roughly 12 or so by now. First of all, while campaigning, he denounced executive orders as an abuse of the constitution. Interesting. In reality, most of them are just orders to examine things. The executive order for the wall is not for actually building it (ignoring that he still hasn't explained how he's going to do it... taxation? Yeah, he should do that. Would be bad for business, cannot imagine that he as a businessman can do that), it's for examination how to do it. Granted, compared to the other orders it's pretty detailed. But, for example, backing down from TPP? He sold it as a withdrawal of Obama's politics while in fact not saying that congress already buried it and that not even Clinton would have resurrected it. Keystone Pipeline? Hasn't been talked through with the law experts of the Department of State. Obamacare? The Department of Health was informed 2 hours before signing and could not investigate if it is actually legal. So both - or more - could rear their ugly head again when Congress actually has to pass it, when people are trying to turn those orders into functional everyday-politics. But oh, the effect it all had! It's essentially just this: smoke and mirrors.



The way I see it right now - attention: personal opinion! - is that the majority of people who voted for Trump did so for one reason only: to get back at people they don't like or fear. So that they can call every black man or woman "nigger" or deny lesbian couples access to restaurants without being persecuted for it by the state. At the moment I have difficulties seeing other reasons. Oh, and you can certainly attack me myself for this last statment.

PonyoBellanote
01-28-2017, 12:46 PM
Trump won because the Democrats (who used to be the voice of reason against the religious, fanatical douches of republicans) were a major fucking joke this election, not only using a horrible person for a representation, but also seriously basing their campaign in insulting and calling names to everyone who is not them.

Not every republican is a racist bigoted asshole, and not every Trump supporter is that either. Some just believe in him, for whatever reason they have. Some think it's the lesser of evils, compared to Hilary, or some just have their opinions about him, but aren't racist, just agree with some things they want to do.

Look. I am not a Trump supporter, because I kinda do not like politics in general, and honestly I wouldn't have trust neither Hilary, nor Bernie or anyone they could've gotten, really. I just think Trump has been unfairly beaten since November every single day. I think the media tries too fucking hard and people believe it easily, with the clickbaits, yes, Trump is an asshole, but he won't be anything more than another 4 years of a republican candidate. People exagerate SO HARD with the doom that is coming, etc. Like, seriously the rioters have done much of a mess since November than everything he has done since he was president.

Regardless if you like it or not, Donald Trump is the 45th President of the United States. It sucks, but gotta deal with it. Pretty sure some of you didn't like Obama (and not because racist, but because, maybe they just didn't like what they did for the country, BECAUSE NOT EVEYRONE WHO DIDN'T LIK OBAMA IS A RACIST!) or Bill, Clinton. This is normal for every president, it's just time has been exagerated to hell.

TheSkeletonMan939
01-28-2017, 02:26 PM
I can't believe how many times George has essentially let himself be BTFO this week.

HeadphonesGirl
01-28-2017, 04:58 PM
Trump won because the Democrats (who used to be the voice of reason against the religious, fanatical douches of republicans) were a major fucking joke this election, not only using a horrible person for a representation, but also seriously basing their campaign in insulting and calling names to everyone who is not them.

Not every republican is a racist bigoted asshole, and not every Trump supporter is that either. Some just believe in him, for whatever reason they have. Some think it's the lesser of evils, compared to Hilary, or some just have their opinions about him, but aren't racist, just agree with some things they want to do.

Look. I am not a Trump supporter, because I kinda do not like politics in general, and honestly I wouldn't have trust neither Hilary, nor Bernie or anyone they could've gotten, really. I just think Trump has been unfairly beaten since November every single day. I think the media tries too fucking hard and people believe it easily, with the clickbaits, yes, Trump is an asshole, but he won't be anything more than another 4 years of a republican candidate. People exagerate SO HARD with the doom that is coming, etc. Like, seriously the rioters have done much of a mess since November than everything he has done since he was president.

Regardless if you like it or not, Donald Trump is the 45th President of the United States. It sucks, but gotta deal with it. Pretty sure some of you didn't like Obama (and not because racist, but because, maybe they just didn't like what they did for the country, BECAUSE NOT EVEYRONE WHO DIDN'T LIK OBAMA IS A RACIST!) or Bill, Clinton. This is normal for every president, it's just time has been exagerated to hell.

I didn't like Obama either. Or Bill Clinton. I don't like any president from my lifetime, actually. I wouldn't have liked Hillary either. Realistically I don't ever expect to like the president; the kind of person I'd like in the role would never get elected because among other things they'd be running on a program of massively slashing the military budget and that alone would disqualify them in our current climate, unfortunately. Though I bet a lot of the other things my ideal candidate would campaign on would be wildly popular.

I'd take any single one of them over Trumpy, though. I'd sooner bring back W than have this guy in the white house.

My advice: start liking politics. Get active and involved now before you end up with a Trump of your own. Or worse. The same wave of angry populism that overtook us this election cycle is still crashing through Europe as we speak.

TheSkeletonMan939
01-28-2017, 05:14 PM
The way I see it right now - attention: personal opinion! - is that the majority of people who voted for Trump did so for one reason only: to get back at people they don't like or fear. So that they can call every black man or woman "nigger" or deny lesbian couples access to restaurants without being persecuted for it by the state. At the moment I have difficulties seeing other reasons. Oh, and you can certainly attack me myself for this last statment.

This is the attitude that cost you folks the Clinton presidency, and it's going to keep biting you in the ass until you realize the world isn't that black-and-white.

There are a multitude of reasons people may have voted for Trump. A primary one is that they looked at Obama's past 8 years and saw little to praise; then looked at Clinton and saw 4 more years of Obama's policies and disposition.

Another may be that some Americans are sick of dishonest politicians. Have you not paid attention to Trump's "drain the swamp" rallying cry (whether he's replacing it with a swamp of his own is besides the point)? He's an underdog who made a good number of the other Republicans on the debate stage look like clowns (again... whether Trump is a clown himself is besides the point). People look at him and say, "Hey, that guy hates those liars in Washington just like me!!" To some extent they may have thought, "He's not a politician... that means he's just like me!!", while conveniently ignoring his billionaire status.

And yes, some people voted for Trump because they're tired of stepping on the eggshells of political correctness. Now, this may come as a shock, but not liking political correctness does not equate to wanting black people strung up on trees. It means they're tired of shit like the bathroom bill, or, in the case of white people, being told that their opinions and accomplishments are worthless because they were born with inherent privilege. They're tired of identity politics, and Trump proudly showed flagrant disregard for them. Now, do some supporters of Trump actually want to shoot all minorities and kill all gays? Totally. The now-infamous /pol/ is a testament to that. But they're an incredibly small minority not worthy of attention. No one on the 'real' right (as opposed to the alt-right) gives a shit about them, so why should you? The only power they have in on the Internet. In the real world, everyone laughs at them.

And a final reason someone may have voted for Trump: he had an "R" next to his name on the ballot.

But by all means, keep up Hillary's example of calling anyone who doesn't take your side a deplorable, racist, homophobic, sexist sadist: i.e., a bad person. See where it gets you in 2020. Sanders is smart enough to see this. (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2016/11/06/sen-bernie-sanders-i-dont-think-most-trump-supporters-are-deplorable-n2242098)

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I didn't like Obama either.

I really liked Obama as a person. He was witty and seemed to be a fun (and funny) guy. As a President I'm less approving.

SonicAdventure
01-28-2017, 06:15 PM
This is the attitude that cost you folks the Clinton presidency, and it's going to keep biting you in the ass until you realize the world isn't that black-and-white.

And you all fell for my ruse. It should have been clear that I do not think what I wrote, after all, who was it who went on explaining several reasons before in a not-so black-and-white matter? And then I'm writing a tirade, spewing hate? Not logical. But none of you questioned how that last paragraph didn't fit. No one reacted to the text I wrote before that paragraph, as if you were seeing red, logical and calm thinking switched off. The fact that at least two reacted in a way as if being personally attacked... what I mean is that shades of grey / stating facts are ignored because I laced them with attention-grabbing crap. This worries me a lot.

BTW, I'm not from the States, so I couldn't even vote for Clinton or Trump.

I'm from Germany and to look over to the States is sort of terrifying and fascinating at the same time. Terrifying because my fears that the US is on its way to an autocracy got worse since the election... and fascinating for the same reason. I mean, when does one have the chance to see a dictatorship in the making? Here in Germany we only know it from history books. But this is... I don't know, live history.

TheSkeletonMan939
01-28-2017, 06:22 PM
:confused:

Sooo.... you were doing this?



If you say a bunch of level-headed stuff, but then say something plainly stupid, which do you think people are going to be more inclined to comment on?

CLONEMASTER 6.53
01-28-2017, 07:02 PM
MFW I see all of the stuff posted following my last post


HeadphonesGirl
01-28-2017, 07:15 PM
I really liked Obama as a person. He was witty and seemed to be a fun (and funny) guy. As a President I'm less approving.

He's certainly a very good and enjoyable speaker, and he comes across as being very thoughtful and intellectual. Definitely the polar opposite of Trump in that regard. But I also sort of find this aspect of him insidious. Maybe not intentionally so. One of my biggest problems with the left right now is the extent to which they are crying over the loss of Obama instead of criticizing things he did that set us up for Trump. The Democrats as a whole really blew it very badly for the last eight years. We ought to be holding their feet to the fire, not lamenting the loss of our great philosopher king.

TheSkeletonMan939
01-28-2017, 07:36 PM
Maybe I'm missing the mark with this but Obama almost feels like the Herbert Hoover of the left. In both cases, America wasn't interested in buying what they were selling. And in both cases they were succeeded by, as you said, a polar opposite - Trump and FDR, respectively.

SonicAdventure
01-28-2017, 07:47 PM
:confused:

Sooo.... you were doing this?



No, I wasn't.


If you say a bunch of level-headed stuff, but then say something plainly stupid, which do you think people are going to be more inclined to comment on?

It depends on how you react to stuff when you read it. In this case, only the stupid stuff left an impression with you, not the level-headed stuff, because that is the only thing you reacted to. If I extrapolate this, it would mean that your knowledge consists of easily digestible headlines without the background you would need to see all shades of grey beneath. Of course, I would love to be corrected.

HeadphonesGirl
01-28-2017, 07:59 PM
Maybe I'm missing the mark with this but Obama almost feels like the Herbert Hoover of the left. In both cases, America wasn't interested in buying what they were selling. And in both cases they were succeeded by, as you said, a polar opposite - Trump and FDR, respectively.

Sort of, but the comparison breaks down in some ways. The America of today is divided to an extent we've basically never seen since the civil war. Statistically, it's not exactly right to say America wasn't buying what Obama was selling. He actually had a very high approval rate towards the end of his second term relative to most presidents at that point. And remember that Clinton won the popular vote by three million, and she was basically campaigning as an extension of Obama's policies in many ways. Ultimately what happened isn't so much that the country rejected Obama, but that Clinton was unable to mobilize the half the country that approved of him. The key to her loss was a lack of turnout in states like PA and Michigan that, if the demographics that turned up for Obama had been there, would have easily gone blue.

And I imagine a lot of them are kicking themselves for not voting now, especially considering Trump's historically low approval ratings during his transition. One of the silver linings to this situation is that so far it appears to be massively mobilizing people to political action and involvement. I've been to two major protests here in Philly since the inauguration, and they have had very heavy turnout. I think a lot of people are starting to be jolted out of complacency.

TheSkeletonMan939
01-28-2017, 08:17 PM
No, I wasn't.

Oh yes you were. You were saying something stupid, I told you off, then you jumped up and down and said, 'haha, just joking!'


It depends on how you react to stuff when you read it. In this case, only the stupid stuff left an impression with you, not the level-headed stuff, because that is the only thing you reacted to. If I extrapolate this, it would mean that your knowledge consists of easily digestible headlines without the background you would need to see all shades of grey beneath. Of course, I would love to be corrected.

How do you know what left an impression on me? Just because I replied to that one part, you think I didn't bother reading and ingesting the rest? You encouraged people to 'attack' you on that one point, so I did.

I also remember this similarly dumb post you made a few months back:


And the media will probably be very silent in a year or two. Once they are silenced. Which I fear will happen. I also fear that one of the oldest democracies will be turned into a quasi-autocratic state. What will all the people who voted for him do once their neighbours start to disappear? When will people start to talk badly about others simply because they hope to gain some favours with their government or its institutions?

Was that a test of my intellectual mettle as well?

Anyway, you're right, you got me with your bait. I guess I'm pretty stupid :foreveralone:

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Sort of, but the comparison breaks down in some ways. The America of today is divided to an extent we've basically never seen since the civil war. Statistically, it's not exactly right to say America wasn't buying what Obama was selling. He actually had a very high approval rate towards the end of his second term relative to most presidents at that point.

Totally. You're right, it's a different situation in that the country is hurting in general unity and direction rather than economic (the Great Depression).
As for the unusually high approval ratings, they were likely because people in retrospect liked Obama more than their next President. :laugh:


And I imagine a lot of them are kicking themselves for not voting now, especially considering Trump's historically low approval ratings during his transition. One of the silver linings to this situation is that so far it appears to be massively mobilizing people to political action and involvement. I've been to two major protests here in Philly since the inauguration, and they have had very heavy turnout. I think a lot of people are starting to be jolted out of complacency.

They're finally waking up and realizing that it's so much better to be aware of what the politics of what your country are, rather than just live in a haze like this moron () who only knows the buzzwords.

PonyoBellanote
01-28-2017, 08:19 PM
There was a guy in Facebook who legimitimately compared Trump to the Vendetta president guy and I swear I wanted to kill him.

CLONEMASTER 6.53
01-28-2017, 08:56 PM
Alright, let's talk about the inauguration numbers first. I've seen the interactive CNN photo in the post you linked to. It's a good way to get a look at the event, but there is a reason for the specific comparison photos people have been using to look at the two inaugurations: they are taken from exactly the same place, at approximately the same time, right around (slightly before, as I understand it) noon. It was at noon that Trump was sworn in as president, and presumably Obama as well.

When comparing crowd sizes you can't use pictures that are taken from completely different angles. Notice that the CNN gigapixel shot is from a low angle. Because of its perspective, gaps in the crowd are obscured. If you want to understand how big of an impact this has, go back to the Earthcam photo I posted, here:

Note how from that perspective, you can see that the crowd size looks very much like it does in the photo from the Washington monument. Note that the higher the perspective the smaller the crowd looks. This is the normal way perspective works: when you look out across a large space from the ground, because it goes back into the distance it appears vast. It will disappear over the horizon. If you can fly up above it and look down, you can see its actual size in comparison to its surroundings much more accurately.

Again, keep in mind that ALL of these photos, including the gigapixel one, are taken at approximately the same time. How do I know when the Gigapixel one is taken? Easy, it's clearly taken while Trump is giving his address since you can see him speaking at the podium. The address was given immediately after he was sworn in at 12 noon. So there is very little time difference in any of these three photos.

Thus, there is absolutely nothing dishonest about the media reporting the crowd size. In fact, if they'd made a comparison using this gigapixel image, it actually would have been less informative because we can clearly see that it does not give as accurate an impression of the crowd size.

So, this is one of the first things I'll tackle, for now.



https://twitter.com/Tyrannocankles/status/823049899155619840

https://twitter.com/Tyrannocankles/status/823051767424368640

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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/21/definitive-cnn-gigapixel-image-of-crowd-during-trump-inauguration-speech-confirms-sean-spicer-correct/

The source from which provides more context on the above links:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ph3aj/proof_real_inauguration_crowd_size_vs_fake_news/

The gigapixel image can be used as a comparison because, you can still clearly see attendance in areas where most other photos provided just don't show them there, and the perspective is most definitely high enough to give an accurate depiction, because given from where they're standing, as well as how damn close you can zoom in, you can notice quite detailed measures of crowd(s); and with that anyone would be able to notice any gaps in the crowd whatsoever. You can also see areas where people were simply just not able to get in:





From where that CNN gigapixel image is taken, is and can be used as an accurate view, depiction, and way of assessing the size of the crowd; it gives a great detail and high enough a perspective on basically everything.

I also doubt that ALL these photos were taken at around the same time.

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Once again this is still MRW the media insist that Sean Spicer is lying and that both Trump and Spicer consistently deny reality


gururu
01-28-2017, 08:59 PM
@skelly

Really? You're going to push that official accommodationist bullshit too:

The Dems lost because:

1a. Clinton was rejected by a significant number of both voting Democrats and Republicans (those who had previously voted for Obama); just enough of them to cost her the electoral vote, because she couldn't, unlike Obama, disguise the fact (with the assistance of certain unwelcome emails) that she too was just another candidate for the 1% party. Sanders played spoiler.

1b. The DNC long abandoned the "working class" when it sold out to the same neoliberal agenda the Republicans have been pedalling since Reagan ("trickle down economics", "magic of the marketplace". Anyone, anyone?). And regardless of certain social advances made during Obama's run, he was just Bush III, another kleptocrat, but on steroids. Clinton 2 would have been Bush IV on even more steroids.

1c. The 1% couldn't give two shits about who marries who, or who uses which bathroom. The only people who "cry wolf" about such issues are the same people who have been voting against their own economic interests for the past 40 years so that the jews, niggers, feminists, fags, and anyone else who isn't cut from the mold of either Archie Bunker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_Bunker) or John Birch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society), could be silenced and kept in check. Dangling economic carrots aside, the electoral viability of either the DNC and RNC (i.e. the 1%) has always depended upon how either best exploited the basic antagonism between two diametrically social groups: progressives and reactionaries. Those whom advance a secular, inclusive society, and those whom harken back to the halcyon days of white privilege, specifically white (Christian) male privilege, with misty eyes. That grand ole era of yore when you could openly disrespect, insult, diminish, humiliate and refuse to serve anyone who wasn't just like them, and sometimes for no reason other than "hey, it's funny" or, just as likely, "I hate them".

2. Upwards of 50% of likely Republican voters are Evangelical Christians and these fanatics would welcome the usurpation of the Constitution and shredding of the Bill of Rights in favour of a theocracy; they would never vote Democratic, not even if Hell froze over. They have routinely supported and voted in anyone, no matter how unfit, stupid or corrupt, who will cow-toe to their delusional, undemocratic social agenda. One need only review the litany of legislation advanced by Republicans to curtail or deprive women and minorities their civil rights. Blatant voter district gerrymandering is routinely engineered by Republicans (Dems too), and routinely taken to court. How can you say you live in a democracy when TPTB and their supporters actively move to disenfranchise its citizens ("hey, look over there at all the unproven allegations of voter fraud?" is only going to lead to massive disenfranchisement)?

3. The blue collar demographic from "Fly-Over Country", "Middle America", whatever you want to call it, who bought into "Hope and Change" 8 years ago (maybe even 4) who experienced yet another 8 years of Austerity� finally said "fuck it", went nuclear, and pushed the button. And today? Say hello to your new president: "Buzz" Windrip (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can't_Happen_Here)" and his bench crew of unqualified billionaires, religious fanatics and white supremacists who have dropped the curtain on a 240 year old charade for all the world to see. In other words: "there's a sucker born every minute (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute)". So it's no one's fault other their own.

4. For the past 40 years the American public education system has been under assault by Republicans, and they have so successfully degraded and debased a once much envied system that today ridiculous numbers of American voters will buy into the most readily disproven lies and propaganda (Pizzagate, for fuck's sake!?!). Many voters don't read or actively avoid intellectual pursuits. And those who do often only read (or, more likely, view) sources which only cater to their fervent anti-intellectualism and deep-seated prejudices, i.e. (confirmation bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)), enabling all sorts of absurd conspiracies (e.g. Obama's birth certificate nonsense).

5. With the able assist of Robert Murdoch and his Fox News/Sky News, etc, juggernauts, journalism has devolved into primarily corporate propaganda, which entertains with shouty opinionating, and demagogic editorializing; and journalists: little more than stenographers, hired propagandists themselves or, if not towing the party line, vilified voices in the wilderness (Assange, Greenwald, etc.). Press your ear to the ground and you can hear Edward R. Murrow spinning in his grave.

As Gore Vidal succinctly put it, you live in the "United States of Amnesia". You have the memory of goldfish. With critical faculties to match.

And you will be the cause of your own undoing.

CLONEMASTER 6.53
01-28-2017, 09:16 PM
While I'm at it, evidence on how voter fraud is real: http://projectveritasaction.com/video/veritas-voter-fraud-compilation-voterfraudisreal

Trump didn't immediately provide evidence to back his claims because he already knows that there is evidence that has been brought forth by (Pew Research, for example, which are non advocate and non partisan, and they've conducted research and have numbers as a result) but blatantly ignored. Now there's an investigation into the matter and there will be undeniable evidence brought forth (that already has existed for years) that proves how voter fraud does exist and as a result of the media's ignorance, places like CNN will probably slowly or quickly lose their credibility and collapse sooner or later, and real media outlets like Infowars will become dominant of actual investigative reporting.

I know! Sounds crazy! :smrt:

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Might as well link to that one guy who's a lunatic saying it too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1WSU3YgAL8

(for the record; I can perfectly understand how someone could think that he's just a crazy person; he goes over the edge and off the chart often, but while also providing an entertaining watch at the same time; individuals such as Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh do drive the same point Jones does but in a much more level-headed manner)

ManRay
01-28-2017, 09:19 PM
http://i.imgur.com/kas9Yvp.gif

Politics Debates are not Internet Images I lol'd at...

gururu
01-28-2017, 09:22 PM
Oh, for fuck's sakes George. Could you be any more gullible?

Trump's source for this voter fraud propaganda owes the Feds $100,000 in back taxes and says it'll take him months to present his so-called evidence.

Voter fraud allegations made by the RNC have been refuted by multiple sources time and time again.

This is just another false flag for the conspiracy crowd which, apparently, counts you among them.

CLONEMASTER 6.53
01-28-2017, 09:25 PM
I doubt it, no matter how much time it will take for the evidence to be presented (it's already been presented, and proven; to further disprove it is crazy), it doesn't discredit that evidence.

In fact, even link to those sources which you say refute the allegations; I could link to evidence which still proves these allegations true, and they have numbers as a result of actual research (haven't I already?); the sort of research Hannity, for example has done to see that these are proven, and also has cited Pew Research (Who, once again, are non-advocated and non-partisan) as additional sources for these same amounted numbers. I say these multiple sources who have refuted these results cry wolf for revenue in return. (that's right, all part of the conspiracy bullshit)

But yeah. there is in fact a conspiracy; no matter from which of the two ways you approach it.

gururu
01-28-2017, 09:37 PM
http://i.imgur.com/TaQR5lM.gif

And the poster boy for textbook logical fallacies marches ever on. Keep up the good work. Gomer Pyle would be proud

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Project Veritas Action Fund? Seriously, George? James O'Keefe Brings His Dishonest, Doctored Videos To The World Of Political Campaigns (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/10/06/james-okeefe-brings-his-dishonest-doctored-vide/201026)

James O'Keefe caught trying to bribe protesters to riot at Trump inauguration (http://boingboing.net/2017/01/13/james-okeefe-caught-trying-t.html).

Leon Scott Kennedy
01-28-2017, 09:38 PM
I think the ongoing politics/sources/etcetera-discussion should be moved to another thread. :laugh:

CLONEMASTER 6.53
01-28-2017, 09:43 PM
Project Veritas Action Fund? Seriously, George? James O'Keefe Brings His Dishonest, Doctored Videos To The World Of Political Campaigns (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/10/06/james-okeefe-brings-his-dishonest-doctored-vide/201026).

Fuck that.

http://projectveritas.com/fact-or-fiction/

Look at the first one. Look at rest of them while you're at it. Pay attention to what's labelled fact and fiction. You can also probably go ahead and say that this was lazy on my part and that their lying about all of it, which I have come to expect by this point.

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I think the ongoing politics/sources/etcetera-discussion should be moved to another thread. :laugh:

Politics are an endless discussion, as I've pointed out before. :p

gururu
01-28-2017, 09:48 PM

ManRay
01-28-2017, 09:53 PM
I think this was Leon's nice Way of saying "Quit it"...

No need to make him change his Tone of Voice in my Opinion. :)

TheSkeletonMan939
01-28-2017, 09:56 PM
Only Penguin has real authority in GD.
But a new thread would be nice if someone is willing. Or we could just migrate over to one of the "what are you..." threads.

ManRay
01-28-2017, 10:01 PM
Y tho ?

Politics break up Friendships faster than Mario Kart...

Can't we talk about someting nice for a Change ?

TheSkeletonMan939
01-28-2017, 10:04 PM
Politics break up Friendships faster than Mario Kart...

Lol, that's why I'm not the one making the thread.

HunterTech
01-28-2017, 10:13 PM
Eh. I've found in this particular circle that everyone has been in somewhat respectful about it, so it isn't so bad in these cases. So I guess that means....

CLONEMASTER 6.53
01-28-2017, 10:14 PM
Politics break up Friendships faster than Mario Kart...

If, in the case of political arguments, insults are thrown at each along with everything else, then yeah. But if you can disregard political beliefs, not use that as a reason of difference of why you can't be their friend, and still talk the person normally, then I don't think it does.

ManRay
01-28-2017, 10:27 PM
Meh...


bluemonkey13
01-28-2017, 10:39 PM
Sometimes you just have to enjoy the little things.


ManRay
01-28-2017, 10:53 PM
Sometimes you just have to enjoy the little things.



http://i.imgur.com/AwjQ4Uw.gif

You are my fucking Hero for the Day BlueMonkey !

Made me laugh so hard !!

It's so effin' true ! :laugh:

TheSkeletonMan939
01-28-2017, 10:58 PM
http://i.imgur.com/nUPyrkC.gif

ManRay
01-28-2017, 11:09 PM
Thread 126974

Now this is what i call straight up Savage !! :laugh:

Hats off to myself ! :D

TheSkeletonMan939
01-28-2017, 11:12 PM
Speaking of Vegeta's MEGA... argh! I'm really ticked at how Mega calculates storage now.
I'm currently using 880GB out of 50 :laugh:

HunterTech
01-28-2017, 11:13 PM
Oh boy. That probably wasn't a good idea.

Then again, I can only hope we finally can ban him from here if he decides to insult you back continually. He'll end up closing another thread if we don't.

ManRay
01-28-2017, 11:19 PM
Difference between him and me is :

I love you Guys...

He only sees you as potential Shares...

We can do without People like that.

Leon has my Back.

He'll straighten me out when it needs to happen aswell.

But then it'll happen because i love you Guys too much... :)

PonyoBellanote
01-28-2017, 11:20 PM
Some of what he shared was a first, was weird, or wouldn't be anywhere else, but I did hate some of his guts though. And how he put so much malware for the people to get his links..

I think the ban is temporary, so don't rejoice too much.

James (The Disney Guy)
01-28-2017, 11:21 PM
Hopefully. I Like Him He Was Always Nice to Me.

ManRay
01-28-2017, 11:31 PM
Hopefully. I Like Him He Was Always Nice to Me.

Not really a bad Peron per Se, at all.

But still an effin' Wanker...

PonyoBellanote
01-28-2017, 11:32 PM
Yeah, what I hate the most about him is putting malware ads with his downloads.

But let's give him credit, at least he easily offers the link without ads if you PM him about them.

Leon Scott Kennedy
01-28-2017, 11:35 PM
Okay…

Clearing a few things up: Bart Oss's ban is temporary, if he does come back and keeps exploiting loopholes in the rules/etcetera, the ban will become permanent. I'm not Jessie, I don't feel bad about banning folks, especially since they can still come back a few minutes after the ban, technically.
ManRay, I understand where you're coming from, with regards to lorddsp, can't say I like the guy either, but do try to not be so openly hostile. You might get caught in the crossfire.

PonyoBellanote
01-28-2017, 11:38 PM
Yeah, Leon's right. Just let the man fuck up himself, he eventually will. He has before, but there was no moderation at all then.

Leon Scott Kennedy
01-28-2017, 11:40 PM
Yeah, Leon's right. Just let the man fuck up himself, he eventually will. He has before, but there was no moderation at all then.
This man gets it. :)

James (The Disney Guy)
01-28-2017, 11:40 PM
I Love How "NICE" We Can Be to Each Other.....

HunterTech
01-28-2017, 11:42 PM
But lorddsp has proven to be a prick before. We've been actually nice otherwise.

Leon Scott Kennedy
01-28-2017, 11:47 PM
But lorddsp has proven to be a prick before. We've been actually nice otherwise.
And a few users among you have proved to get, what's the word� Easily goaded into discussion/insults-throwing contest with him. And, yeah, the post quoted above doesn't help you.

PonyoBellanote
01-28-2017, 11:51 PM
This man gets it. :)

God, I love saying something good for once, it raises my already low self-steem :laugh:

HunterTech
01-28-2017, 11:51 PM
And a few users among you have proved to get, what's the word… Easily goaded into discussion/insults-throwing contest with him. And, yeah, the post quoted above doesn't help you.

Eh. So much for trying to be optimistic.

No one is perfect really. I've been one of those pricks before as well. Hell, I don't think this won't be the last time any of us will do something like it. But as long as we're well aware of our actions and have responsibility for them, then it'll be fine.

DAKoftheOTA
01-29-2017, 12:01 AM
Lol I love how you guys think Bart is gone. Pretty sure this is him under a sockpuppet:



Also, look at his handful of shares. All new releases within the last month, and none of them are MEGA links:



http://imgur.com/MZHUnmm.gif

Leon Scott Kennedy
01-29-2017, 12:03 AM
Lol I love how you guys think Bart is gone. Pretty sure this is him under a sockpuppet:



Also, look at his handful of shares. All new releases within the last month, and none of them are MEGA links:
Ahah. You're wrong.

DAKoftheOTA
01-29-2017, 12:04 AM
Ahah. You're wrong.

I hope I am

James (The Disney Guy)
01-29-2017, 12:06 AM
The last in that list "penny dreadful" i am sure is varese.

Leon Scott Kennedy
01-29-2017, 12:07 AM
I hope I am
I know you are, moderators get to see IP addresses, or parts of them.


The last in that list "penny dreadful" i am sure is varese.
A second one? I'll check, and in case it is…

PonyoBellanote
01-29-2017, 12:08 AM
I know you are, moderators get to see IP addresses, or parts of them.

And he couldn't change his IP?

TheSkeletonMan939
01-29-2017, 12:08 AM
The last in that list "penny dreadful" i am sure is varese.

As is "Gold".

SonicAdventure
01-29-2017, 12:09 AM
Oh yes you were. You were saying something stupid, I told you off, then you jumped up and down and said, 'haha, just joking!'

Well, it was indeed my intention to spark a reaction.


How do you know what left an impression on me? Just because I replied to that one part, you think I didn't bother reading and ingesting the rest? You encouraged people to 'attack' you on that one point, so I did.

Decide what you want to say, will you? It's either that I was feeling caught at saying something dumb or it's that I encouraged people to only see something stupid (indicating that I knew full well what I did... which was my intention exactly). Though I have to say that I very much respect that you read the rest, too. And I mean that.


I also remember this similarly dumb post you made a few months back

(...) Was that a test of my intellectual mettle as well?

Anyway, you're right, you got me with your bait. I guess I'm pretty stupid

First, I never said you're stupid. I suggested that you're lazy - not that you're stupid. Second, I still stand for what I wrote three months ago. As you can see above where I repeated the exact same sentiment. Only this time I was expressing my terror that my fear apparently turns into reality right now.

DAKoftheOTA
01-29-2017, 12:10 AM
I know you are, moderators get to see IP addresses, or parts of them.

I figured that was how you knew. Now then, what if someone registers in a different place? Like let's say he registers Bart at his house and then goes to his local library a few miles away and registers as hbk256? I'm legitimately asking, I'm not well-knowledgeable in IP addresses.

James (The Disney Guy)
01-29-2017, 12:11 AM
A second one? I'll check, and in case it is…

http://www.soundtrack.net/album/penny-dreadful-1/

PonyoBellanote
01-29-2017, 12:13 AM
I doubt that's him. I doubt he's stupid enough to share Varese in a sockpuppet account. Please let's be sure, first before totally accusing.

DAKoftheOTA
01-29-2017, 12:15 AM



I doubt that's him. I doubt he's stupid enough to share Varese in a sockpuppet account. Please let's be sure, first before totally accusing.

Whatchu talkin bout? We always accuse first, and then we investigate.

AmanoChan
01-29-2017, 12:17 AM
As is "Gold".

No, only the Various Artists album and the Single was released by Var�se.
Not the score... It's BMG.

http://www.soundtrack.net/movie/gold-2016/

TheSkeletonMan939
01-29-2017, 12:19 AM
Ah! My mistake.

PonyoBellanote
01-29-2017, 12:22 AM
o.o Is this the reverse world? Varese doing VA and the other doing Score? o_o

ManRay
01-29-2017, 12:23 AM
ManRay, I understand where you're coming from, with regards to lorddsp, can't say I like the guy either, but do try to not be so openly hostile.

Statement understood.

I even tried to be not vindictive in the End, but EH, won't be much after all.

I know you understood that it only was for a couple Laughs after, but not worth my Time in the End...

Leon, love your Mod Duty, it is the best Thing that has happened to the Shrine since early 2016 :laugh:

Only Thing i can hope for is that i'd might be faster maybe in some obscure, but still forbiddinen Thread .

PonyoBellanote
01-29-2017, 12:25 AM
He is really quick to close forbidden threads if he sees them. He really is great at the job.

ManRay
01-29-2017, 12:26 AM
Meeeeh, disregard everything i said this Evening,,,,

DAKoftheOTA
01-29-2017, 12:26 AM
Unlike the new administrator who sucks at his/her new job

JonC
01-29-2017, 12:32 AM
When you really need to get hammered.
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16195359_10208597639042876_4300172226727840172_n.j pg?oh=d8c766b5bbb90f624009937767c0f077&oe=5946F379

HunterTech
01-29-2017, 12:32 AM
Meeeeh, disregard everything i said this Evening,,,,

But muh music discussion! (Feel free to do it when you want though).

CLONEMASTER 6.53
01-29-2017, 01:38 AM
You accuse "mainstream"-media of lies but choose to believe a self-called journalist? If you did your research you would already know that Jon Rappoport is as right-wing conservative as they come. And completely ridiculous to boot. He sees conspiracies everywhere (do you have any idea how much money, time and resources it would need to get just one conspiracy going, not to mention all people involved being silent about it?). Furthermore, in the quote above he links cynicism with intelligence. A) there's nothing to support this and B) traditionally, cynicism is regarded as a sign of intelligence, not the opposite.

Jon Rappoport has been an independent journalist for almost 30 years, and used to be apart of the fake news media for quite some time; by solely his own experience and perception of what he's seen go on behind the...scenes, he realized how wrong it was and left the business to actually become what he got into the business for in the first place. An investigative journalist, who researches everything they say and is allowed to honestly reported it out in the open without being told they can't because it's not going to make any money. The quotes were from many other people who were also apart of the fake news business, who explain in detail what the media does, why they do it, and why they themselves are not in it anymore.

Saying 'there's nothing to support this' doesn't explain shit to me about why you think it's wrong, and secondly, you can make a comparison between cynicism and intelligence to make your point. Also, their definitions are not traditional in this case. His point was that reporting fake and dishonest news that will make headlines is like dropping you're intelligence in that business and to keep that intelligence would mean to be booted out and lose your job.


(do you have any idea how much money, time and resources it would need to get just one conspiracy going, not to mention all people involved being silent about it?)

Yes, and there is a lot of money involved in what I've been talking about. Money is one of it's chief bases of operation.


A sign of a good journalist is that he researches the things he writes about. You know, the truth.

And that's exactly what this guy does. He's researched everything he's posted about, he has no reason to spread lies. He's not in it for the money; the media is. Make sense?


Rappoport is anti-vaccination, that alone clearly shows that he has no interest in researching what he's raging about. Would he do so, he would discover tons of - scientific - research not hampered by subjectivism.

Okay, this is ignorant. How in the hell does the fact that he's anti-vaccination automatically mean he has no interest in researching anything? That literally doesn't make any sense. He has every reason to be anti-vaccination. And there is also plenty of evidence to back this up. This tells you that he does his research.

http://www.cdctruth.org/wp-content/uploads/Doctors-Documentaries-Reference-List-2.pdf


Besides, what you linked to is a blog. By definition, blogs are personal and subjective, they don't have valid or - gosh! - reputable information.

It's entirely dependent on the material that's within each blog. You cannot attribute that definition to every blog - this one in particular, because anyone in the world could technically make a blog-post jam-fucking packed with researched, evidenced, bona fide facts and information. Blogs can technically be used for anything. You just downsized it to opinion which isn't true.


If you did your research you would already know that Jon Rappoport is as right-wing conservative as they come.

Yeah? The problem with this statement is that it already implies that right-wing conservatives are wrong about everything.

gururu
01-29-2017, 01:53 AM

HeadphonesGirl
01-29-2017, 01:56 AM
So, this is one of the first things I'll tackle, for now.



https://twitter.com/Tyrannocankles/status/823049899155619840

https://twitter.com/Tyrannocankles/status/823051767424368640

*****************************
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/21/definitive-cnn-gigapixel-image-of-crowd-during-trump-inauguration-speech-confirms-sean-spicer-correct/

The source from which provides more context on the above links:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ph3aj/proof_real_inauguration_crowd_size_vs_fake_news/

The gigapixel image can be used as a comparison because, you can still clearly see attendance in areas where most other photos provided just don't show them there, and the perspective is most definitely high enough to give an accurate depiction, because given from where they're standing, as well as how damn close you can zoom in, you can notice quite detailed measures of crowd(s); and with that anyone would be able to notice any gaps in the crowd whatsoever. You can also see areas where people were simply just not able to get in:





From where that CNN gigapixel image is taken, is and can be used as an accurate view, depiction, and way of assessing the size of the crowd; it gives a great detail and high enough a perspective on basically everything.

I also doubt that ALL these photos were taken at around the same time.

---------- Post added at 01:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:46 PM ----------

Once again this is still MRW the media insist that Sean Spicer is lying and that both Trump and Spicer consistently deny reality



All of the photos you're linking here already have the exact same perspective issues I mentioned. You're claiming those perspective issues don't matter, I assume, but let me go through this again. Earthcam footage from 12:15pm, from a much higher viewpoint than any of the photos you've linked:

This photo coincides in timing very closely with the gigapixel image. Trump was sworn in at noon. By the time this earthcam photo is taken he's already been sworn in.

Now, if the crowd size increased after that, that's perfectly valid. It may very well have done so! But that doesn't make the media's reports dishonest. The photo that was spread directly comparing the two events from the Washington Monument was a comparison of the Trump inauguration just before noon and the Obama inauguration just before noon. The comparison is valid - that doesn't mean that the crowd size couldn't have increased later. Again, what I'm pointing out here is also backed up by the records of Metro tickets sold that day, which you still haven't responded to. You can post all the low angle shots taken from within the crowd you want, but you can't show any alternative angles on the Metro numbers.

In regards to your "voter fraud evidence," that's not what I'm asking for. Yes, voter fraud can occur to some extent, and I have no doubt that it does sometimes. But Trump claimed that three million people voted illegally. Where did he get this number from? It is a very convenient number because that just happens to be the number by which he lost the popular vote. The entire context in which he gave this made up number was just to try to save face and pretend he didn't "really" lose the popular vote.

Have you noticed that all of the sources you provide are pro-Trump sources? Why is it that you insist that the media's bias means that they must be lying, but you don't extend that same logic to r/TheDonald or Alex Jones? Do you seriously believe that Sean Hannity isn't biased towards Trump?

Like I said, I don't expect you change your mind as a result of this conversation. But you can't change the times that the overhead photos were taken and you can't change the Metro records and you can't invent evidence of three million illegal votes.

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When you really need to get hammered.
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16195359_10208597639042876_4300172226727840172_n.j pg?oh=d8c766b5bbb90f624009937767c0f077&oe=5946F379

Herbal flavored whiskey? o_o

I'd try it just to say I did it. But I have a feeling it would turn out bad.

Tanis
01-29-2017, 04:57 AM
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6082136832/h0C6047F1/

HunterTech
01-29-2017, 08:32 AM

CLONEMASTER 6.53
01-29-2017, 09:02 AM
...

TK, I'll go ahead and direct you to here here (Thread 214400) for my reply.




:laugh:

Seriously full-on lol-ing at this right now!

Tanis
01-29-2017, 09:38 AM
O...deer.
http://cheezburger.com/1440261/35-iconic-cartoon-shows-that-failed-at-keeping-the-jokes-suitable-for-kids

Also:
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/7650507264/hFDDA3DD6/

TheSkeletonMan939
01-29-2017, 03:22 PM


Random picture of Zelda???

DAKoftheOTA
01-29-2017, 05:57 PM


What is this? Is this a real thing? I live around the Hudson Valley area

SonicAdventure
01-29-2017, 11:34 PM
Jon Rappoport has been an independent journalist for almost 30 years, and used to be apart of the fake news media for quite some time; by solely his own experience and perception of what he's seen go on behind the...scenes, he realized how wrong it was and left the business to actually become what he got into the business for in the first place. An investigative journalist, who researches everything they say and is allowed to honestly reported it out in the open without being told they can't because it's not going to make any money. The quotes were from many other people who were also apart of the fake news business, who explain in detail what the media does, why they do it, and why they themselves are not in it anymore.

Saying 'there's nothing to support this' doesn't explain shit to me about why you think it's wrong, and secondly, you can make a comparison between cynicism and intelligence to make your point. Also, their definitions are not traditional in this case. His point was that reporting fake and dishonest news that will make headlines is like dropping you're intelligence in that business and to keep that intelligence would mean to be booted out and lose your job.

I understand what he wanted to say with it. But he connects cynicism and intelligence. I did, too. Both of us have been wrong, I researched it (google!! HA!) and there is no indication that both are connected in any way. Rappoport suggests that cynics are dumb, I said that I would believe the opposite. Both are wrong.

And forgive me... but Rappoport is not a credible journalist. The research he does is like this: he looks for studies/theories/whatever that corroborate his own subjective opinion. If he doesn't find something like that, he misreprents valid research or simply doesn't understand it.
For example, he denies that HIV exists or is the cause for deaths. To support this view, he cites works or opinions by chemist/biologist David Rasnick. Who is ignored by the scientific community because he ignores conclusive medical and scientific evidence. The method of these people is always the same: if the facts contradict them, they just say that the facts are wrong, that people have been paid, yadda, yadda, yadda. But don't you think it's a trifle funny that these HIV deniers amount to roughly 3-10% (own estimation; not grounded on scientific fact)? Compare that to the other 90-97% of people who are able to express their observations with medical and scientific research consisting of decades of experience by collecting hard data*. But it's all fake, they are all paid and part of a big conspiracy, right? They are all in on it, correct?

Tell me this: if that is true, what is their goal?

Please mind that this is just an example. I cherry-picked some subject (HIV denial) where I actually was able to find some things online. Other stuff... not so much. At least not from actual journalists, scientists, etc. Guess what, Rappoports claim that he was a journalist might actually be untrue. I could not find any information about this. The only information I was able to find was that he studied philosophy for 4 years at Amherst College and that at some point he was a painter. The combination of all of this strikes me as being fairly shady, I can't help it. And the fact that he's ignored by the scientific community and that no one - I repeat: no one - takes him seriously is an indicator that he might have lost a few marbles. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he would say that Barrack Obama is a reptilian being and that the Earth is either flat or hollow.

BTW, I've mentioned "science" so often now that I have to explain what it is. It is not "supporting a personal view by looking at some studies' conclusion". It is - and I quote Wikipedia: "a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe." The key word here is testable. Wikipedia could have added repeatability and empirical observation.


And that's exactly what this guy does. He's researched everything he's posted about, he has no reason to spread lies. He's not in it for the money; the media is. Make sense?

In some form, yes. But when the media is only in it for the money, as you say, why shouldn't he? Why shouldn't he need money? He needs to make a living, he needs food, he needs a car to do research, he needs to interview people, etc. Guess what, he is in for the money, too. Big surprise. On the top of his homepage you can even find a "shop now" button. He doesn't even hide it.


Okay, this is ignorant. How in the hell does the fact that he's anti-vaccination automatically mean he has no interest in researching anything? That literally doesn't make any sense. He has every reason to be anti-vaccination. And there is also plenty of evidence to back this up. This tells you that he does his research.

http://www.cdctruth.org/wp-content/uploads/Doctors-Documentaries-Reference-List-2.pdf

I agree that my sentences could be used to accuse me of writing an ad hominem. What I wanted to express was that one should be very, very careful before believing anything written by Rappoport, using anti-vaccination as a prime example. And the document you linked... the mass of links is far to big to look them all up. And if what's in this document passes as research, I have just written a scientific article proving that pigs can fly. Anyway, I looked at the first 5 links. Three or four were Youtube videos. The first linked to a video where Nancy Banks is interviewed. She's known for being an HIV denier (there we have it again), she's also known for being a Holocaust denier (I have visited two concentration camps, she's lying), everything about her suggests that not even her doctorate degree is real (from Harvard no less!). The second link leads to a video (again!) showing Russell Blaylock who once was a respected neurosurgeon. But now he has some very laughable views about vaccines. Not to mention that as a neurosurgeon it is not his field of expertise. The third link leads to a video (yawn) of a Dr. Shiv Chopra who rose to prominence as a highly decorated whistleblower and biologist. Nowadays he tries to sell books on the futility of vaccines. Seriously, his website is loaded with advertisements for his own books. Still, he does some very good things so out of 5 links Rappoport used this is the only one I can partially support. The fifth link leads to a video (!) of a certain Sherri Tenpenny who is a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine. Just like Russell Blaylock above she has absolutely no background in vaccination. Just like the others, she tries to sell her books.

So judging from 5 Youtube videos, Rappoports research consists of people not taken seriously by the scientific community, people who will go to great length to sell their own books. No money involved? No, absolutely not, they are doing it all for the best of mankind.




It's entirely dependent on the material that's within each blog. You cannot attribute that definition to every blog - this one in particular, because anyone in the world could technically make a blog-post jam-fucking packed with researched, evidenced, bona fide facts and information. Blogs can technically be used for anything. You just downsized it to opinion which isn't true.

Yes, you can fill a blog with all the things you described. Though... I've yet to see one. In my experience, blogs are informal, subjective or commercial, mostly written by individuals, sometimes by groups, sometimes by companies. All of this is corroborated by the Wikipedia site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog


Yeah? The problem with this statement is that it already implies that right-wing conservatives are wrong about everything.

You got me there, I apologize. I fell into the same trap I see so many people fall into.

I don't want to argue with you. What I want from you is that you don't simply accept things you read online. Complex things like vaccines, political opinions, people, the market, hell, most things, cannot be described with the single sentence of a headline. All of these things are not black/white, they never are. They are countless shades of grey. Example: if Trump signs an executive order that forbids people from several muslim countries entry to the States, you have to ask yourself several things. What was Trumps motivation? His own opinion? The opinion of his voters? Staying true to his promise? Does he have facts to corroborate his order? Who profits from it? Who is hurt by it? Which countries are affected? Why are some muslim countries (Egypt, Turkey, to name just two) not affected? What happens to foreign, muslim people working and living in the States? As you can see there are countless questions to be asked. To answer these, you need facts. Not opinionated sites like Rappoports. Sites like Breitbart might also not be the best idea. Just like CNN or the other more centric/leftist news sites, they actually might have (Gosh!) an agenda. I believe that one needs to base his/her opinion on facts, facts, facts and facts. Not on subjective commentary or opinionated articles. If you already do so, good for you. In that case you just arrive at different conclusions. However, forgive me, I don't believe that. If your linking to Rappoport can be used as an indicator, you prefer subjective opinion lacking facts. Doing that, I fear that you will not arrive at an informed opinion on which you will then act.

*bandwagon fallacy? I'm not sure. Someone who knows more about this, please help.

gururu
01-29-2017, 11:45 PM
Over 300 of 'em at Logically Fallacious (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies).

JonC
01-30-2017, 12:18 AM
Wow, we should respond to posts with just the link to the specific fallacy.

CLONEMASTER 6.53
01-30-2017, 12:31 AM
But that wouldn't be having a conversation; it would actually be even lazier than what I'm supposedly doing.

gururu
01-30-2017, 12:52 AM
Wow, we should respond to posts with just the link to the specific fallacy.

It would save a good deal of bother.

Tanis
01-30-2017, 01:56 AM
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9005170944/hE9E3C59B/

TheSkeletonMan939
01-30-2017, 01:58 AM
That was really dark.

Tanis
01-30-2017, 02:33 AM
That was really dark.




CLONEMASTER 6.53
01-31-2017, 04:55 AM


edit; Sonic, if you see this, my reply is still pending; I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Apologies.

Tanis
01-31-2017, 09:19 AM
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/8568525056/h1BCDCF18/

PonyoBellanote
01-31-2017, 01:25 PM
:large

TheSkeletonMan939
02-01-2017, 04:06 AM
Sad day for Americans everywhere when the chair which professional fat fuck Boogie2988 was sitting in was obliterated.


Tanis
02-01-2017, 07:36 AM
Who? Sounds like some obese neck-beard.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/2502ce801769308a4360c97729c1913a/tumblr_nszb9mrqFV1tb8alro1_400.gif

HunterTech
02-01-2017, 10:17 PM
That horrifies me more than it does make me laugh, being a chubby bastard myself.

TheSkeletonMan939
02-01-2017, 11:06 PM
Who? Sounds like some obese neck-beard.

Literally this. he sits on his ass all day and makes YouTube video. He is the fattest thing I have ever seen.

---------- Post added at 05:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:05 PM ----------


That horrifies me more than it does make me laugh, being a chubby bastard myself.

HunterTech: YOU WILL NEVER BE AS FAT AS THIS MAN. This I assure you of.

gururu
02-04-2017, 01:23 AM

gururu
02-06-2017, 04:44 PM

HunterTech
02-07-2017, 05:46 AM

gururu
02-08-2017, 02:52 AM
Pareidolia:


ManRay
02-08-2017, 07:32 PM

TheSkeletonMan939
02-09-2017, 06:55 PM
http://i.imgur.com/l9YHpyQ.gif

America's next Great Generation

Tanis
02-10-2017, 12:53 AM
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9008223488/h23908356/

gururu
02-10-2017, 06:36 AM
Funny for those who know who Rogers is(was)…


HeadphonesGirl
02-10-2017, 07:20 AM
America's next Great Generation


JonC
02-10-2017, 08:00 AM
They better keep an eye on the their trans fats or their future is going to be heart disease.

TheSkeletonMan939
02-15-2017, 06:41 PM

PonyoBellanote
02-15-2017, 10:58 PM
https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16640544_1621463407881348_4791271386792295414_n.jp g?oh=f98899a37dac3ff8a20fa9589678a568&oe=59492571

CLONEMASTER 6.53
02-19-2017, 07:18 AM
()

gururu
02-20-2017, 05:24 AM

Dave999
02-20-2017, 08:34 AM
America's next Great Generation

Probably shouldn't be laughing about this but than can hit the girl right in the face :) :s

Tanis
02-20-2017, 09:34 AM

CLONEMASTER 6.53
02-21-2017, 07:49 AM

gururu
02-24-2017, 06:08 PM

PonyoBellanote
02-25-2017, 02:23 PM
?oh=bdeb1eb92068c2e96210f3821492edcb&oe=5945D4BB

Tanis
02-25-2017, 05:06 PM
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9013748480/h4ED1373B/

TheSkeletonMan939
02-25-2017, 05:11 PM
Lel

HunterTech
02-25-2017, 11:11 PM

HunterTech
02-26-2017, 11:56 PM

CLONEMASTER 6.53
02-27-2017, 05:50 AM

gururu
03-01-2017, 06:04 AM

PonyoBellanote
03-01-2017, 10:52 AM
Ah yes. A perfect example that the media's fearmongering works wonders in the society!

gururu
03-01-2017, 05:00 PM
Reactions to polls can be just as revealing as the polls themselves.


PonyoBellanote
03-01-2017, 05:05 PM
You're seriously the kind of douche whose only facts are the ones who fit to whatever he thinks.

gururu
03-01-2017, 05:13 PM
Pray tell, oh ad hominem one, to which facts are you referring?

HunterTech
03-01-2017, 06:20 PM
You're seriously the kind of douche whose only facts are the ones who fit to whatever he thinks.

Um, hasn't that been everyone that has had *any* political views? Sure, one can be more biased, but it still applies.

ROKUSHO
03-01-2017, 09:37 PM

HunterTech
03-02-2017, 05:44 AM


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CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-02-2017, 06:11 AM
I died when I saw Ted Danson and Supreme Court Judges listed as opponents.

CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-02-2017, 08:02 AM


gururu
03-03-2017, 06:15 PM
Twofer…

http://i.imgur.com/crlXU3B.gif


CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-04-2017, 01:19 AM
https://img.ifcdn.com/images/a1b8572ab346aa6077a53ecbe8e8f0ba7bb7077a8c605e3168 5f26dbefebbcf1_1.jpg

gururu
03-04-2017, 10:57 PM

DAKoftheOTA
03-04-2017, 11:39 PM

ManRay
03-05-2017, 12:10 AM

HunterTech
03-05-2017, 12:34 AM

CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-06-2017, 02:30 AM

CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-06-2017, 08:34 AM

ManRay
03-06-2017, 06:54 PM

HunterTech
03-07-2017, 06:26 AM

CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-07-2017, 07:38 AM

ManRay
03-08-2017, 09:26 PM

gururu
03-09-2017, 03:43 AM

PonyoBellanote
03-10-2017, 11:14 PM
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-0/q84/p480x480/17192350_1153665548093425_4142179142393965758_o.jp g?oh=58a68853bbb22b089044d31203e81b8c&oe=595F2F68

CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-11-2017, 02:17 AM

ManRay
03-12-2017, 10:00 AM


Tragically, my Brain never made it past being 8 Years old... :laugh:

HeadphonesGirl
03-12-2017, 12:20 PM


THEY HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED COOKING YET

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4wrb_Ep5pU

CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-12-2017, 09:12 PM
THEY HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED COOKING YET

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4wrb_Ep5pU

:laugh: I almost died.

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https://i.embed.ly/1/display/resize?key=1e6a1a1efdb011df84894040444cdc60&url=http%3A%2F%2Fi.chzbgr.com%2Fcompletestore%2F20 09%2F11%2F7%2F129021008687645509.jpg&width=810

HeadphonesGirl
03-13-2017, 02:08 AM
I'll never forget the first time I watched that video. My neighbor texted me to ask me what the fuck was going on because she could hear me laughing so hard through the wall.

CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-13-2017, 02:10 AM
:laugh:

"Just bring on the food, Mick!" *slow-mo laughing*

Ah, yeah, it was pretty damn hilarious.

gururu
03-13-2017, 06:50 PM

Chrono Meridian
03-17-2017, 03:00 AM

CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-20-2017, 07:53 PM
https://img.ifcdn.com/images/189caf190d1e29bbbba91e6341b8f2572580ab83fe0a745171 34cc3a8ce40f0c_1.jpg

HeadphonesGirl
03-21-2017, 12:15 AM
That's pretty clearly made by someone who has never owned a halfway decent gaming PC.

CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-21-2017, 12:19 AM
I mean, quite a lot of memes/whatever look pretty shitty, and I think that's on purpose sometimes.

CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-21-2017, 02:50 AM

TheSkeletonMan939
03-24-2017, 05:49 PM

Shad
03-24-2017, 07:40 PM
funny cats

Tanis
03-25-2017, 12:13 AM
Ha.
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9020616960/h1205E40F/

TheSkeletonMan939
03-25-2017, 12:31 AM
what the fuck kind of question is that? I hope there's a larger context to that, lol

JonC
03-27-2017, 02:18 AM
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/17425122_10155853479860190_7766172448005291126_n.j pg?oh=fa1fd4651de4b98f2e6eed23740061d1&oe=599A1A1D

gururu
04-15-2017, 02:07 AM

gururu
05-24-2017, 08:57 PM
(http://imgur.com/zMrjJ3l)

Quantum16
05-26-2017, 04:05 AM
(https://imgflip.com/i/1pqo4f)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

I made this. Yes, I'm lame. Just thought it was kinda relatable.

DAKoftheOTA
05-26-2017, 01:25 PM
^I like it