I am super super psyched for Scott Pilgrim 6, and the Scott Pilgrim movie too. I am so curious about Gideon and how it all will end. I'm pretty sure there'll be 2 different endings, so hopefully I'll be pleased with one of them.

I really don't want it to end, gotta be honest. I think there's a lot of backstory on Scott that needs to be explored too, and I dunno if one more issue is enough to get into it (just cause of the flashes to his 'dark side' or whatever that was). I feel like it's gonna be a lot darker in the comic than in the movie though.

If I wore panties they'd be wet each time a new trailer for it came out, I can't get enough.

what's scott pilgrim? is that the one where he has to kill the evil exboyfriends?

Yeah, Also spoke to Neg about that movie... seeing Michael Cera quickly made me lose interest.

Yes, but her hair...

and her goggles....

Everything but Cera is awesome ;;

Oh, looked back: Sooo, basically he's Tony Stark except even more awesome? Sounds right to me :) Sorry, for some reason my eyes slide over this thread, even when I've posted in it :(

Cera is weird casting for Scott, but it should still be a great movie. Edgar Wright + good source material and the trailers have been excellent.

also Kim Pine is the cutest ; ;

edit: I will change the thread title to "The RDJ Apprecation Thread and also funny books" if it gets you to post in here, buster.

Kim Pine looks so good holy crap. I shot through my monitor and then through the wall and into the neighbors yard and now it looks like it snowed in there.

Also perfect characterization of Julie from what I've seen.

gross

I know hey, I hate winter.

Huh? Baby confused......Waaaah!

Holy crap, I didn't realize how far behind I was on 'Star Wars: Legacy'.

Derp.

While I have yet to read Scott Pilgrim my little brother loved the 1st book that he picked up during a library trip I took him on. Last week I got him vol. 2.


On the RDJ front I got a movie from BIGLOTS called eros. I has 3 short sexy stories done by Wong Kar Wai, Steven Soderbergh, & Mchelangelo Antonioni. Last night I flipped through it quickly and it didn't seem all that sexy but the RDJ story is about him going to a shrink and telling the tail of dreams he has about a mystery sexy lady.

I just watched the movie version of The Losers, and while I liked it, it felt like someone took the PG treatment to it. I mean it's full of swearing and blood and people getting killed and stuff, but they really skip over the dark parts of the story and the ending is totally different from the comics; maybe it's a set up for another movie, but I doubt it.

Scott Pilgrim vol. 1

I've got pappercraft's for them you anybody wants them.

Batman 700 comes out tomorrow, guys! Or today really, I guess, since I am staying up super late.

I'm so excited!

maybe this week i'll get my fkng second coming issues -.-

Are they on the list at the longbox or are they delayed again? It'd be ridiculous if they make you wait even longer!

At least you found some good stuff to read in your week of downtime. :)

they're on the list ^^ can't wait to dl

and yeah!! i am in love with freakangels, srsly.

Have some ironmans.

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that's great

game play from the scott pilgrim video game

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-scott-pilgrim/101185

saddest thing: this will probably be the thing that will make me get the ps3
bc it's out on psn and whatever

I was really hoping for the Scott Pilgrim game to be on the DS (it is perfect for it), but I should have a PS3 by the time it comes out, so I guess I'll still be able to play it. I am totally going to play as Kim Pine.

The fact that it's not on every system is bullshit! It's one thing when it's a super detailed game that Nintendo isn't powerful enough to run but this should be avalable for everything. I really don't get exclusives, Wouldn't it be more profitable to have your game released on as many consoles as postable?

depends how much it costs to port it
versus their expected profits on any one console
scott pilgrim isn't exactly a household name yet

So apparently DC is looking into making a Blue Beetle tv show. You can see some screentests and read more info here (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/06/15/opening-the-vault-%e2%80%93-a-live-action-blue-beetle/).

I love Jaime, and since his friends and family are so much a part of his stories he seems perfect for a tv show. Hope it happens!

my first comic shop experience will be tomorrow! might take pics/vids.

First comic shop experience? You've ever been in one before?

Maybe I should take up comic reading. I've been to a comic shop a few times but I was looking for action figures.

My comic shop is terible for action figures:(

Mandy with get you set up, Though I can sujest some things I've enjoyed reading.

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen vol. 1,2, & Black Dossier
The Killing Joke
The Dark Knight Returns
Watchmen
The Killing Joke
Going Sane
The Dark Knight Returns
Watchmen
Marvels
Silver Surfer Requiem
Star Wars: Tag & Bink Are Dead
Yotsuba&! (manga)
Azumanga Daioh! (manga)
Yotsuba&!
American Born Chinese
Scott Pilgrim
Coraline (though the movie does have things that are actually better than the book)

Most of those are 1 shot stories or have been collected into TPB or hard covers or omnibus' so it woulnd be hard at all to find and figure out what you like of them.

I'd also suggest some of these:
Justice League - Cry For Justice
Superman_New_Krypton
Superman-Batman
100 Bullets
30_Days_Of_Night
Avengers_Dark_Reign
Batman
Cable_&_Deadpool
Darkstalkers
DC_ Infinite_Crisis
Deadpool
Devil May Cry
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep_ [Blade runner]
Sin City
Hellboy
Joker_HC
Justice_League_Of_America
Kingdom_Come
League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Lucifer
Marvel_Civil_War
Marvel_Mangaverse
Marvel_Zombies
Messiah_Complex
Messiah_War
Preacher
Sandman
Star_Wars_Legacy
Superman - Death & Return
Superman-Batman
Superman_All-Star
Superman_Camelot_Falls
Superman_For_All_Seasons
Superman_For_Tomorrow
Superman_Last_Son_Of_Earth
Superman_Peace_On_Earth
Superman_Red_Son
Superman_Whatever_Happened_To_The_Man_Of_Tomorrow
The Spirit
Transmetropolitan
V For Vendetta
Wanted
Watchmen
Wolverine - Old Man Logan
Wolverine - Origins
Wolverine_Origin
World War Hulk
X-Men - Age of Apocalypse
X-Men - Divided We Stand
X-Men_House of M
Y - The Last Man

Marvel Mangaverse? But what I read of it was horrable.

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I thought it was really funny.
Even if it was unintentionally that way.


It's like a low budget version of 'Spaceballs' I guess, to me.

Tell me what characters you like, Mark. I'll send you a bunch of comics.

I didn't like the Marvel Mangaverse either but I gave up after reading only a few of the stories.

Tell me what characters you like, Mark. I'll send you a bunch of comics.

I didn't like the Marvel Mangaverse either but I gave up after reading only a few of the stories.

What I got from the random issues I downloaded and parts posted on 4chan All the characters are why different and most of them are killed within the first few pages they're introduce in by random ninjas. Also most of the cast it replaced by girls, Dr. Doom is Black Panther's sister, after Doc Doom cut Captain America's head off a girl took Cap's place, The Human Torch is Asuka Langly Souryu, I think Sue Storm was named Sioux, Electra killed Dare Devil and immediately felt guilty which gave Girl Cap an opening to cut Electra's head off with her Shield, and in the end Spider-man, Mary Jane, Black Cat, Girl Captain America, Girl Nick Fury, Asuka Human Torch, and Snikt Bub who looks like Vageta are the only ones left.

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I'd be fine with the book being nothing more than Spider-man saying stupid things and BC & MJ going upside his head.
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Does anybody know a good site for graphic novel/trade paperback reviews? There's some stuff I'm thinking about ordering, and I want to know if it's bare bones or has some neat extra stuff. I definitely prioritize purchasing books that come with things like script pages and writer/artist notes. I just wish Amazon was clearer about what all each book includes besides the comic itself.

If I can't find one maybe I will start reviewing this stuff myself.

maybe there's a livejournal or blogspot page that does this?

All I know is I'm enjoying all my comics written by Robert Kirkman. Can't get enough of Invincible and The Walking Dead right now.

I read Invincible for a while. I love Atom Eve. ^^ I always kind of wished that there was a comic about a superpowered father and son like Invincible was at the very beginning, though. I am such a sucker for stuff like that.

two of my comics haven't been scanned yet and it's almost wednesday :(

What's this form?

That's an edited page from The Pride of Baghdad, an excellent graphic novel by one of my favorite comic writers, Bryan K. Vaughn.

Here's the original:

So it's lion king during desert storm.


I got you a wallpaper.

I loved those Alex Ross covers so much. I want a poster of the Alan Scott one.

The biggest inspiration for the JSA collection I'm working on now his from the cover he did after this series with the JSA roundtable. I'm aiming to get everyone in the shot so that I can recreate it with a crappy looking cardboard table.

also I want to get a Judomaster figure so that I can make her and Damage snuggle and pretend he isn't dead ; ;

Check hobby stores' doll furiture setcion for tables and stuff like that. This one place called Hobby Lobby is right in the same block as Toys R Us and they had an entire isle for miniature stuff.

Once you have all those guys you should go after the Legion of Doom to recreate the "All I want is pants, a decent pair of pants!" scene. I'm sorry your damage guy is dead.

Well, I have two other sets I'm working on- JLA Founders, which I am almost done with (tbh I just don't care that much about Wonder Woman and Aquaman so I haven't really sought them out), and then a JLI set, which will be pretty great.

I am going to get some villains for all of them too. I think I'll build an Injustice League too. ^^ Maybe a couple different villain groups! Also I might do some Teen Titans sets and Young Justice. And a Gotham collection. I need more money and more space. ; ;

Don't care about Wonder Woman but love Power Girl? Feministes must really hate you. Though most of them that I see talking on the world wide webs don't so much as read comics as they do google searches for porn OF the characters and base wild assumetions of the characters personalities off of what they find.

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I am a feminist! In spite of the fan-service, Power Girl is honestly one of the best written female characters in comics. She's strong and tough but also is compassionate and very empathetic. I'd definitely call her a good role-model, boob window and all. ;)

Most of the Wonder Woman I've read comes from her appearances in team books, where I usually think she isn't well used. She was dead for a while during JLA and I didn't miss her character at all. I did like her in Trinity and in the JL/JLU cartoons. I have tried to check out her main book several times and I didn't care for it at all. I've heard Greg Rucka's run on her book was really good, so I might read that one of these days. Her costume also really bugs me but that's something silly I can get over.

I honestly do believe that every comic character has the potential to be fun and interesting, and all it'll take is one good story. So when I say I don't really like Wonder Woman and Aquaman, it doesn't mean I won't give them a chance! Just that it's hard to get excited about owning their toys.

I wish I knew someone sensable in person like you.

I am a feminist! In spite of the fan-service, Power Girl is honestly one of the best written female characters in comics. She's strong and tough but also is compassionate and very empathetic. I'd definitely call her a good role-model, boob window and all. ;)

Most of the Wonder Womyn I've read comes from her appearances in team books, where I usually think she isn't well used. She was dead for a while during JLA and I didn't miss her character at all. I did like her in Trinity and in the JL/JLU cartoons. I have tried to check out her main book several times and I didn't care for it at all. I've heard Greg Rucka's run on her book was really good, so I might read that one of these days. Her costume also really bugs me but that's something silly I can get over.

I honestly do believe that every comic character has the potential to be fun and interesting, and all it'll take is one good story. So when I say I don't really like Wonder Womyn and Aquaman, it doesn't mean I won't give them a chance! Just that it's hard to get excited about owning their toys.

:D

haha Marc ; ;

According to what I have read, Wonder Woman was created by a guy who felt the same way about bondage that Zhang Qi does about feet.

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Did we make you cry or something?





I found out about the bondage thing from Superdickery.

I picked up a copy of Dr. Doom and the Masters of evil. I got it because I like Dr. Doom and the cover looked cool.

Squirrel Girl beat Dr. Doom once, you know~

The newest The Return of the Bruce Wayne came out this week (and like a bajillion of my other comics), and it was pretty spectacular. I'm bummed that it's halfway over with already. At least there's Time Masters coming up!

I want so very much to know what this is :(

Amalgam was this Marvel/DC venture where they'd basically combine two of their comic characters into one? That's a one-off issue from that, it's a combination of Lobo and Howard the Duck.

It was written by Alan Grant, who worked on Lobo for a long time and worked with writers like Grant Morrison and Alan Moore early in their careers. ^^ He wrote some neat Batman stuff too.

........ Now I want to read this........ Does that make me a bad person?


......*already downloading it*

Squirrel Girl beat Dr. Doom once, you know~

The newest The Return of the Bruce Wayne came out this week (and like a bajillion of my other comics), and it was pretty spectacular. I'm bummed that it's halfway over with already. At least there's Time Masters coming up!

Squirrel Girl is top tier! That story is especially funny because she saves Iron Man from him in the process.

Squirrel Girl should get her own series. I'd totally read that.

I would read a Squirrel Girl ongoing so hard. I want her to be in Marvel vs. Capcom 3, can you imagine how fun she'd be to play?

Squirrel Girl beat Dr. Doom once, you know~

The newest The Return of the Bruce Wayne came out this week (and like a bajillion of my other comics), and it was pretty spectacular. I'm bummed that it's halfway over with already. At least there's Time Masters coming up!

i know how you feel. second coming ends in two weeks or so, and i'm both excited and sad

Amalgam was this Marvel/DC venture where they'd basically combine two of their comic characters into one? That's a one-off issue from that, it's a combination of Lobo and Howard the Duck.

It was written by Alan Grant, who worked on Lobo for a long time and worked with writers like Grant Morrison and Alan Moore early in their careers. ^^ He wrote some neat Batman stuff too.

How to be a good writer:

Step 1: Have Grant or Alan in your name
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

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Amalgam was this Marvel/DC venture where they'd basically combine two of their comic characters into one? That's a one-off issue from that, it's a combination of Lobo and Howard the Duck.

It was written by Alan Grant, who worked on Lobo for a long time and worked with writers like Grant Morrison and Alan Moore early in their careers. ^^ He wrote some neat Batman stuff too.

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haha, i never even realized that!

goodwork tom
it really looks like fry

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I started reading the OLD Batman comics, you know, back with Freeze was just a blue mad scientist, some funny stuff.

I've been thinking about picking up the Batman Chronicles and reading through all the old Golden Age stories. There was no continuity back then really, but a lot of the stories were not bad.

tbh, my preferences lie with the complete wackiness of the Silver Age, but any reading of old comics is good times!

I found a crap load of GREAT comics at hastings for .99USD.
Picked up Nausica� of the Valley of the Wind (V3/4/5) and some random 'Sandman'.


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I found a crap load of GREAT comics at hastings for .99USD.
Picked up Nausica� of the Valley of the Wind (V3/4/5) and some random 'Sandman'.


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I guess it was the comic.

I guess it was the comic.
Yeah, way back in the day when the manga were released in comic book style.

Yeah, way back in the day when the manga were released in comic book style.

Kinda funny how manga's are already in the trade paperback format that they have chapters the same size as floppy magazine issues. I know a great deal of them are actually printed first in mags and anthology books so that's probably why they still have that page setup.

Yeah, way back in the day when the manga were released in comic book style.


Man, I miss those days. I used to buy the Sailor Moon comics to go with my manga and I'd use to Sailor Moon pages to trace so I could figure out how to draw the characters better.

Really, floppy issues are a pretty inconvenient formant, though. Can't be put on a bookshelf, so they're hard to store and you have to have a rack to display them on in stores. I'm glad DC started up a digital comic program.

Not really comic news but it is Ndi related.

I don't know if this is one of those cheap single discs that only has acaople episodes on it or if it's the whole 1st season.

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that's pretty awesome.

I hope Adventure Time starts showing up in the Cartoon Network Action pack comic. ^^ And that is pretty incredible, Tom!

Batman Beyond miniseries starts today for those of you who might be interested. I am grabbing it for sure.

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I have always said that I'd try reading Wonder Woman if she got a costume redesign and I will be true to my word. She looks so awesome. ^^ I love JMS and he is about to start on her book anyways, so it's pretty perfect timing.

I'll have to get used to it, it looks so casual. I guess it makes more sense than the old standard look though.

still looks like a girl who enjoys bondage tho
some things never change
oh wonder woman
where's the whip?

i love wonder woman's new look and i think it'd work well in a movie too. i think i'll pick up the comic too. is it starting over or do you need to know the backstories and stuff?

i also picked up batman beyond cuz batman beyond <333333333

It looks like Superboy's costume.

The guantlets with gloves are nice but I would have given her some more armor like knee pads and stuff because while covered the legs look less armored without some proper boots.

I don't hate it but I don't love it.

'WW' takes 'tramp stamp' to a whole new level.

Bought this:


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The other one...can't find a good picture for it though...

'WW' takes 'tramp stamp' to a whole new level.
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Was that from her foot or her gauntlet?

i love wonder woman's new look and i think it'd work well in a movie too. i think i'll pick up the comic too. is it starting over or do you need to know the backstories and stuff?

i also picked up batman beyond cuz batman beyond <333333333

It's basically set in an elseworlds, so once JMS' run officially starts you shouldn't need to be too familiar with the character. There's some continuity stuff in this week's issue (Wonder Woman 600), but it also has Amanda Conner art and Power Girl in it, so I recommend picking it up. ;)

Tom, it's funny you say it makes you think of Superboy's costume, because it reminds me a little of the costume Wondergirl wore back when she was all awkward and had the goofy black wig. That's a good thing!

It's basically set in an elseworlds, so once JMS' run officially starts you shouldn't need to be too familiar with the character. There's some continuity stuff in this week's issue (Wonder Woman 600), but it also has Amanda Conner art and Power Girl in it, so I recommend picking it up. ;)

Tom, it's funny you say it makes you think of Superboy's costume, because it reminds me a little of the costume Wondergirl wore back when she was all awkward and had the goofy black wig. That's a good thing!

So.. you're saying Wondergirl IS Superboy?

They were both in Young Justice, so there are some similarities I guess. Conner was totally different back in the early YJ days. That wasn't completely a bad thing, of course. Bitches don't know about my tactile telekinesis~

He talked about his tactile telekinesis in Adventure Comics a couple issues back and I nostalgia'd so hard.

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bullet time gun toys
coool

Just about 2 weeks left till the last Scott Pilgrim volume comes out. I am pretty psyched!

Shot of Batman with all the guns makes me think of the end to Working Through the Pain, Tom. ^^

I'm waiting for the next 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep'.
I really need to start buying these...

i'm waiting for second coming to end. so excited to see how they wrap everything up in two weeks.

also, STILL fucking waiting for a comic to be scanned that came out weeks ago ;;

Just about 2 weeks left till the last Scott Pilgrim volume comes out. I am pretty psyched!

Shot of Batman with all the guns makes me think of the end to Working Through the Pain, Tom. ^^

I wasn't even going form something deep, just a picture of Batman using lots o guns.

I have to say that while double or ball jointed elbows & knees are needed you can still get some nice looking poses with one of these guys.

I made a request for vol. 4 of Scott Pilgrim but if it doesn't get filled soon I'll just have to go ahead and buy the book myself. Why the library got 2 of vol.1, 2 of vol.2, 3 of vol.3, & 2 of vol.5 but none of 43 is baffling.

i'm waiting for second coming to end. so excited to see how they wrap everything up in two weeks.

also, STILL fucking waiting for a comic to be scanned that came out weeks ago ;;

buy it, robbu! You can use it as an excuse to go check out that other comic shop or you can just get it off heavyink.

Heavyink gives cheaper shipping if you order 3 comics so it's a good excuse to get another fun stuff too!

"LOOK AT SPIDER-MAN, NOW LOOK AT ME, NOW LOOK AT IRON MAN, NOW BACK TO ME. LOOK AT THIS, IT'S THOSE BULLETS YOU SHOT AT ME. THOSE BULLETS ARE NOW DIAMONDS."

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oh man, just read the second to last issue of second coming and it. was. amazing. i squeed so freaking hard. i still can't get over it. can't wait for the finale!!!!! ^___________________^

Vol. 4 of Scott Pilgrim just came in today and I also picked up vol. 5 as well.

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I like the whole alternate universe thing, so seeing the roles of the Autobots and Decepticons reversed (as with all mirror/alternate universe stories), this was pretty good.

I wanna read scott pilgrim, just havent got round to actually buying it yet, always something MORE IMPORTANT ;-;

anyone here reading Nemesis? ITS SO AWESOMEeee

GOT THE LATERS RUNAWAYS DIGEST
'rock zombies'

i liked it pretty well
they're all very happy even though the last volume ended at such a sad note, so maybe that felt a little weird. but plenty of spunk and stuff. runaways = best super hero team marvel has imo.

I wanna read scott pilgrim, just havent got round to actually buying it yet, always something MORE IMPORTANT ;-;

anyone here reading Nemesis? ITS SO AWESOMEeee

So far I've managed to get them at 2 different libraries. Yopu should have similar luck if you're in an ok sized town.

GOT THE LATERS RUNAWAYS DIGEST
'rock zombies'

i liked it pretty well
they're all very happy even though the last volume ended at such a sad note, so maybe that felt a little weird. but plenty of spunk and stuff. runaways = best super hero team marvel has imo.

more people need to read runaways. it's soooooooooooooooooo good. i'm sad it's on hiatus right now. i'm scared it'll be cancelled.

no they can't do that :(
there's another digest scheduled for release in september, but i dunno about the hiatus much or how long it will last. when i heard about it i was a downer the whole day, but then i couldn't find any specific info about it. does it look like there's a timeframe for a comeback?

no. it's been on hiatus for a while now.

Wasn't there a Hulk & Wolverine book that got delayed for 2 years but was finished?

Wasn't there a Hulk & Wolverine book that got delayed for 2 years but was finished?

Well, delays like that happen all the time. Planetary was delayed for something like 6 years before it finally ended. Delays like this are usually due to problems with part of the creative team- they're sick, too busy, just not ready to write more of the story, etc.

A hiatus isn't the same thing. Since Bryan K. Vaughn and Whedon stopped working on Runaways, Marvel has dictated the book's creative, and if they wanted it published and the scripts/art were this late, they'd probably just replace the slow person. From what I understand, they put the series on hiatus because it's not profitable enough for them right now and they want to re-work it so that it sells better again.

I could list off a lot of things Marvel did that were responsible for the drop in sales, but it doesn't really matter. What they're probably doing is re-tooling the book and we'll have it back once more regular news for the movie starts coming out. They'll renumber it (again) and capitalize on the people who are curious about the series because of the movie.

If I was Marvel I would be begging Bryan K. Vaighn to come back to the book, especially since Lost is over now so he probably has more time. That is pretty unlikely, though!

This is amazing.

This is amazing.

Shortpacked is great when it's about toys and comics jokes and not the other stuff. I honestly have no idea where the guy's coming from or what his views are a lot of the time.

so second coming (the arc) is officially over and i gotta say i am really satisfied. they wrapped things up well. the issue second coming #2, however, let me down but mostly because what i wanted to happen did not happen. the last 4 pages, though, totally brought it back for me. they made me squee so freaking hard. the ramifications of second coming will be directly continued in five lights which starts in the next issue of uncanny x-men, so the story is not really over, at least not completely. can't wait for next month ^^

so all in all, this is a very exciting time to be reading x-men and i am really glad that i've picked up comics again.

That's the 3rd card back I've seen with that backstory on it.



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why do you do that? whenever you post an image, you follow it with [/url]

I mainly use pimp & Host because they allow anything and rarely delete anything. When you post an image like so (http://www.pimpandhost.com/image/4066162-original.html)
It has a url that links to the page it's from. Because P & H allows nearly any content most of there adds are porno and I've been asked to remove the URL's from the image code so it looks like this
(http://www.pimpandhost.com/image/4066173-original.html) Sometimes I don't remove the end of the url code.

why not just use something like imageshack or photobucket and bypass the whole thing?

I've already used photo bucket and image shack and they both delete things like screen shots and scanned comic pages. Also Pinp and Host doesn't resize pictures unless you tell it to and there's near unlimited storage.

i've never had photobucket delete stuff and i have scanned comic pages and screen shots all over it.

Hey guys, I don't know if any of you are paying attention to this stuff, but the reason why Pete and MJ aren't married in the new timeline is finally fully explained!

Pete missed the wedding because a fat guy fell on him and knocked him out.

I could not make this up.

Photobucket's deleted comic stuff on me too.

Also why is no one talking Scott Pilgrim!? The last volume came out yesterday, guys~

because no one talked about second coming ;;

OK, I don't think I was clear

SPIDER MAN

WAS KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS

FOR HALF A DAY

BY A FAT GUY FALLING ON HIM

Fat man falling on Spider-Man, Starscream? This is bad comedy.

amazon shipped it for me yesterday
nothing today
if scott pilgrim is not in my house by tomorrow i will cry

OK I think I'm going to try reading this scott pilgrim thing.

Photobucket's deleted comic stuff on me too.

Also why is no one talking Scott Pilgrim!? The last volume came out yesterday, guys~

My brother ordered it from a local book store several days ago.

I've avoiding aalmsot everything comic book related until I read it.

OK, I apologize for not reading this sooner. I'm totally falling in love.

I'm sad that it's finally over - i'm kinda meh about the pacing of the start of Finest Hour, but it makes sense in a way.

As a guy in his mid-20s who feels aimless, I'm Scott Pilgrim's target demographic!

Yeah, the pacing was a little weird. It felt way shorter than some of the other volumes too, even though they're all about the same size.

I still loved it though. I liked to way too much when

(tiny spoiler)

Young Neil finally got called Neil

also TK I am not reacting to what you are saying because that means I have to acknowledge it is true. :(

what, that I like scott pilgrim?!!!

no, that other thing

Liking Scott Pilgrim is excellent!

I know what you mean about it feeling shorter! I actually double checked the page count, but sure enough it felt shorter. Probably because of said pacing - not a lot happens for the first half of the book (but i still loved reading it).

"Young Neil gave it to you?"

"...for $200."

Having only read the first volume, I'm already worried about the movie. I don't think Michael Cera is the right choice at all. He's too awkward.

wow guys

i felt exactly the same way

i think it's because, even though page-wise, it is the biggest volume, the time-span of the story in this volume is the shortest out of all of them (it feels like this anyway)

I agree TK. Scott Pilgrim as a character is over-confident to a fault - almost arrogant, but never quite stepping over that line. Michael Cera's character (and let's be honest, he's George Michael Bluth in everything) is, like you said, shy and awkward.

That said, i'm hoping to be proven wrong - the trailers so far look amazing. Hopefully Cera will be able to step outside his comfort zone and deliver.

Does anyone know of a good online reading/downloading site for comics?

My closest place that sales comics is over half an hour away, and they tend to suck.

:(

I think the trailers look OK... aside from Cera, who in all his moments in the trailer appears awkward and uneasy.

Does anyone know of a good online reading/downloading site for comics?

My closest place that sales comics is over half an hour away, and they tend to suck.

:(

Personally I torrent them (i use Demonoid, but there are dedicated comic trackers out there) and use ComicRack (http://comicrack.cyolito.com/) on my PC and Droid Comic Viewer (http://www.robotcomics.net/android-comic-viewer/) on my phone to read them.

Personally I torrent them (i use Demonoid, but there are dedicated comic trackers out there) and use ComicRack (http://comicrack.cyolito.com/) on my PC and Droid Comic Viewer (http://www.robotcomics.net/android-comic-viewer/) on my phone to read them.
CR looks okay, but I'm fine with the original windows image viewer.
^_^

Yeah, as do I, but Demoniod won't update my ratio (it's stuck at .8) when I KNOW it should be at 1.00-2.00.
>:(
So, I'm not using it as much as I used to.

Just search filestube.com for the issues you want. Rapidshares and such go up rapidly with new scans and there are archived ones for almost any back issues you could want. No reason to torrent something as small as a comic book really.

Also, since it is a good idea to pay for the series you enjoy so that they will continue, if you can't make it to a nearby comics shop, try mailordercomics.com. They've got a great system set up and you save money compared to buying at the comics shop anyway.

EDIT: Man, you may feel that windows image viewer is OK, but I guarantee if you try CDisplayEX, you will never go back.

I order my single issue comics from http://heavyink.com/. I strongly prefer trades so most of my comic money goes into those, but I try and buy the stuff I love that has lower sales or issues I'd really like to own for whatever reason.

For downloading, I mostly use http://thelongbox.net. Marvel isn't allowed to be posted there, though. If you know what issue you're after usually doing a site search on google for mediafire or rapidshare will find you what you're looking for.

I prefer not to torrent comics unless I'm getting a bunch of stuff because it's just simpler to directly download the issue. On Wednesdays and Thursdays they usually show up on the longbox before anywhere else that I know of anyways.

i rarely ever get single issues. usually i just get volumes
even though i know i should support a run while it's actually running

ps WELCOME TO THE PARTY T-K

Thanks. I love comics, but I'm not on such great terms with them right now.

Glad to be enjoying something recent, though.

I download the vast majority of single issues for comics that I follow. I read a ridiculous amount of series. ; ; But when I love something with lower sales like Joe the Barbarian or Booster Gold or Power Girl, I try to support monthly issues because I know that determines what gets released as a trade and whether or not a series will get canceled.

I really don't think single issues are a very good format, though. I have so many floppy issues but it's a pain in the butt to use them for re-reading. I should probably look into DC's digital comics service and see if it'd be something that I'd be interested in.

I really like them though. They just need to be stored in appropriately shaped boxes and they're not so bad.

I have longboxes, but they're just not that great for when you feel like plopping down and re-reading something. I have to dig through the boxes and find the right issues and take them out of their little plastic bags and then put them back for each one. I can't take them with me anywhere either, which sucks. I like to keep trades in my purse.

I like comic shops and I like the serial storytelling format but I'd rather sit down with a couple volumes of a trade then a bunch of issues of something any day.

hmm I dunno. I tend to really like having things organized and looking through them for the one I want and then taking it out of a sleeve and stuff. But perhaps this is from being into records.

I have longboxes, but they're just not that great....I can't take them with me anywhere either, which sucks.

You're tellin me you don't pull a wagon full of comics around with you?

I thought you was a nerd

I look up some of this stuff....

Also, I buy as much comics as I can, but I'd still rather have digital copies of stuff I own.
Lets them be preserved and it's also easier to read, I think.

It's potentially an old-man nostalgic thought but I much prefer the experience of holding a comic/book in my hand than reading it on a flat screen, there's just something about it. My shaky relationship with money often overrules this preference however.

It's potentially an old-man nostalgic thought but I much prefer the experience of holding a comic/book in my hand than reading it on a flat screen, there's just something about it. My shaky relationship with money often overrules this preference however.
I tend to agree, but, I really do want to have my collections preserved for a long time.

Same goes with PS2 games.
I have a stupid amount of them, but my PS2 is hacked.
It's all about keeping my original discs as good as new for as long as possible.

It's potentially an old-man nostalgic thought but I much prefer the experience of holding a comic/book in my hand than reading it on a flat screen, there's just something about it. My shaky relationship with money often overrules this preference however.

Exactly why I download - money. Comics from DC/Marvel are $7.95 an issue here. I'm probably going to get Scott Pilgrim next time i'm near a decent comic shop though.

this thread likes ninja turtles right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdMV1cxeN_4

Scott Pilgrims are in manga book format so even if you don't have a comic book shop near regular bookstores might carry them plus there's libraries to check out too.

everyone has scott pilgrim around here
every book store pretty much
but i guess that's because the author is local

Scott Pilgrim's Finest Hour stuff Ahead....



First the Power of Love sword's heart pummel looks like Scott's ball sack on the cover.

I was alright with the slow start; I liked how as Scott tried to get with it he realized things had changed while he was out of it.

Young Neil becoming Neil.

Steven Stills being gay was surprising but it didn't bother me I think because it's not random or anything and there was a bit of set up to it. Plus why he never just left Julie Powers and to a stab at wooing Kim Pine was beyond me.

Speaking of Kim I was sad she didn't get to be part of the finale. Sure she had a shadow spirit thing in the background but it would have been nice to have her there after going through so much of the evil exes stuff.

The dream of angel Ramona impaling Scott and then all his evil exes becoming monsters and eating him gave me 'nam flashbacks to End of Evangelion :,(

The last half was rather too quick.
It�s not that I was disappointed with the explanations of the league, Gideon, Ramona, subspace, & everything it�s just that so much of it was crammed into so little space that it felt more like summarizing than a natural exposition.

But I did like the explanations such as Ramona just going back to her dad�s and while wanting to contact someone just forgot because of internet and dvd watching, or how the league was just a craig�s list rant and it turned out a bunch of people felt the same way.

One thing I wish was a little clearer and had more of the characters do character stuff off of was what Scott ultimately needed to do and learned.
I know he stopped running away from his problems like Kim Pine said but what was his main flaw that he needed to fix?
I know both he and Gideon have the same problems and that Scott figured that out but what was it?
Kim- Scott didn�t tell her that he was moving away.
Envy- We never got the whole story of.
Knives- Didn�t take control of things from the start to keep her from getting hurt. Then didn�t break it off with her soon enough.
Ramona- 2 timing her and Knives plus they both have baggage.
Scott not remembering things correctly

That last part I can't think of better but I'm sure you get what I'm trying to say.

i am confused about that too
i think
I THINK
the problem is not being able to learn from your mistakes
and ignoring your own faults
and blaming others for stuff that goes wrong

the four panel memory you mention: twice scott is the one doing the breaking up, and twice he's being broken up with, but he always sees himself as being the hurt one in general (he ignores the times he hurts others)

and this si the same thing gideon does
forgets how things really were and then blames his exes to the point where he freezes them up

i agree a lot of the stuff wasn't explained in the end (carolina in the sky, i wanted tos ee more of for example. subspace was just rubber science and im ok with that

steven stills was totally gay by the time they were recording too hahaha
"tell him we're making magic"
"WE'RE MAKING MAGIC SCOTT"

i've been trying to re-read to appreciate it more, but it's not my fave book in the series at all. just because the pacing is so weird. like you said, the second half just flies because it's all action.

it's still my fave comic tho

Just in case they were going to accidentally make a comic book I want to read, Marvel did this: http://www.comixtreme.com/content.php?414-Brand-New-Day-for-Spider-Girl

i am confused about that too
i think
I THINK
the problem is not being able to learn from your mistakes
and ignoring your own faults
and blaming others for stuff that goes wrong

the four panel memory you mention: twice scott is the one doing the breaking up, and twice he's being broken up with, but he always sees himself as being the hurt one in general (he ignores the times he hurts others)

and this si the same thing gideon does
forgets how things really were and then blames his exes to the point where he freezes them up

i agree a lot of the stuff wasn't explained in the end (carolina in the sky, i wanted tos ee more of for example. subspace was just rubber science and im ok with that

steven stills was totally gay by the time they were recording too hahaha
"tell him we're making magic"
"WE'RE MAKING MAGIC SCOTT"

i've been trying to re-read to appreciate it more, but it's not my fave book in the series at all. just because the pacing is so weird. like you said, the second half just flies because it's all action.

it's still my fave comic tho

I felt that's what the book was going for too. It just would have been nice to have it defined a bit clearer. Not simply become we're dumb but because having the characters say it lets us know what they're thinking and what ultimately will happen to them.

I felt that's what the book was going for too. It just would have been nice to have it defined a bit clearer. Not simply become we're dumb but because having the characters say it lets us know what they're thinking and what ultimately will happen to them.

yeah the whole thing seemed to make the reader figure a lot out on their own
which i don't usually mind
but the previous pilgrim books didn't really do this. they just said 'we'll give you answers later on in the story, just stick with us'


anyway

dc universe online trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lGTfK4PmPw

I was really hoping Casper appear on a team of the Initiative. Marvel and DC characters just too damn much. So we end up with really cool characters who never used any. I have been waiting to see the Livewire for some years now. What I got was more like a crazy line of them in a book initiative.

A custom frozen Captain Amaerica

I think it's pretty cool.

http://www.wbaltv.com/irresistible/24537342/detail.html

Superman Saves House from Foreclosure


also i found this store that has a graphic novel section with paperbacks and hardcovers up to 50% off and i was really excited.
got a few runaways digests and a fantastic four digest for lil bro

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A custom frozen Captain Amaerica

I think it's pretty cool.

Would have been cooler if you froze Lando Calrissian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pK5HmuCMBM)

Would have been cooler if you froze Lando Calrissian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pK5HmuCMBM)

http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=1523791&postcount=2003

Yay

Man...dude...what?

I don't think he snikts what you're bubin' :(

I don't think he snikts what you're bubin' :(

Hi Ndi! see Scott Pilgrim yet?

Not yet! I'll probably go Wednesday or Thursday.

Not yet! I'll probably go Wednesday or Thursday.

You won't be disapointed. Well, you probably will be about somethings but overall I hope you'll be pleased.

http://www.geeksix.com/2010/08/my-comic-collection-behold-tandy-whiz-kids-number-one/

Also, old school Jim Lee X-Men meets modern coloring:



By EIDO11 - http://dreweiden.deviantart.com/art/Jim-Lee-s-X-Men-175486654

ew, storm's costume is so ugly. who does she think she is, ms marvel?

also, there is no jean in this picture :(

Heh, storm's outfit does remind of Ms. Marvel's. I think it looks alright though.

I always liked it. Better than her being in the standard yellow/blue outfit the whole team wore so often in the late 80s.

In the original version they'd already started coloring it white. I've had that image as a huge poster since I was probably 7-8 years old. It's made of win. Have another Jim Lee poster with X-Men villains to go with it as well. Lots more characters on that one.

My favorite Storm costume was that one from the terrible fighting game where she's pretty much naked.

What's considered to be the definitive Storm stories? She was pretty much my first love in the fox kids cartoon and I was more than disappointed with Halle Berry completely changing personalities form movie to movie.

of course it is

meh, rouge was much cuter than storm in the 90's cartoon.

Rouge is makeup

Rogue is an X-men character

whatever, she was known as titania here anyway.

TITANNICA

I liked it best when Storm & Rogue had a bosom buddies episode.

Remember when they went horse riding and Storm was in rich people getup with a helmet and Rogue was dressed like a cowgirl?

I read all of the Walking Dead in the past two weeks.

This is by far the heaviest comic, content wise, that exists out there today IMO.

Very plot driven, very good overall.

Looking forward to the TV series.

Yes, the TV series looks like it is going to be incredible. I don't think AMC can make a bad show. Have you seen the preview? Pretty exciting stuff.

I hope this is a hit and more tv shows based on comics can happen. There are a lot of non-superhero comics that would be perfect for that kind of medium.

Watchmen would have been perfect as an HBO series.

Anyone read TIN TIN? They're alright I guess, it's nice to see guns used in a kids book but so far they haven't grabbed me.

where are you reading from? i really liked them when i was younger. they're making a movie, last i heard. the early ones (i got a pack of all of them) are super racist, it's kind of ridiculous

Comics used to be super racist in general, really. Even after non-white superheroes were introduced it was still really bad for a while. I wish I had some good pages on hand for examples, but I don't.

For those of you who might be interested (TK?) Joe the Barbarian is getting a hardcover deluxe edition! Kind of want to pre-order it but it doesn't come out till February.

Is there a not hardcover one planned?

I'm super broke right now so buying comics is a distant future possibility for me at the moment. Stupid car. -_-

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Is there a not hardcover one planned?

I'm super broke right now so buying comics is a distant future possibility for me at the moment. Stupid car. -_-

In the case of most of DC's hardcovers, paperback versions come out maybe 6 months or so after.

If you're interested around the time it comes out I can grab two and gift you one, though!

I really like reading comics myself. I just don't have the money to keep up any more. I'm a big, big Marvel fan. Love X-men mostly. I like DC's Batman and Superman. I usually go to the next town over to the Books-A-Million to try and catch up. Also a big fan of Sonic.

But what has irritated me over the years is Marvel. They keep killing people off, bringing them back, and getting them married and then divorced or widowed. The "One More Day' Saga pretty much made me quit reading Spider-man. I thought their marriage was great, and the lame plot they used to break them up pissed me off.

The next thing that irritated me was the recent sojourn into politics that Marvel has done during the 2008 election. I read comics to escape reality, not get more involved. The whole damned Marvel Universe seemed to kiss Obama's ass during the last two years and it has pissed me off. Funny though how they recently got rid of Obama during the secret skrull invasion. Claiming he was a skrull as well.

Other then that I am glad to see Storm is married. Although i wonder how long it will last.

Yeah, I am barely reading any Marvel these days. I can not wait until Joe Quesada is no longer the EIC.

If you're willing to read comics online, Crysta, I am happy to help you out. It is pretty much the only reason I'm able to follow all the series I do, although I spend way too much on comics anyways.

also, Black Panther hasn't been consistently good since Christopher Priest left the book imo. He needs to come back to comics. ; ;

Yeah, I am barely reading any Marvel these days. I can not wait until Joe Quesada is no longer the EIC.

If you're willing to read comics online, Crysta, I am happy to help you out. It is pretty much the only reason I'm able to follow all the series I do, although I spend way too much on comics anyways.

also, Black Panther hasn't been consistently good since Christopher Priest left the book imo. He needs to come back to comics. ; ;

COOL! Which site do i go to? I wanna read online for FREE!!!

I use a comic reader called CDisplay (http://download.cnet.com/CDisplay-Image-Display/3000-18488_4-10162238.html). I primarily download my comics from a forum called The Longbox (http://thelongbox.net). Once you post an introduction post there, you'll be able to access all their forums. They post new comics every week and upload old comics too. They can't post Marvel stuff there though, so you'll have to go elsewhere for that.

I have a huge store of comics, so if you're looking for anything in particular, just say the word and I'll post some links. I am always happy to recommend stuff too.

I use a comic reader called CDisplay (http://download.cnet.com/CDisplay-Image-Display/3000-18488_4-10162238.html). I primarily download my comics from a forum called The Longbox (http://thelongbox.net). Once you post an introduction post there, you'll be able to access all their forums. They post new comics every week and upload old comics too. They can't post Marvel stuff there though, so you'll have to go elsewhere for that.

I have a huge store of comics, so if you're looking for anything in particular, just say the word and I'll post some links. I am always happy to recommend stuff too.

Thanks sweetie.

man, marvel has been great since 07! (granted i only read x-men so...) i mean, house of m, messiah complex, and second coming?!? all great arcs. not to mention that house of m gave us layla millar ^^ and five lights looks like it's gonna turn out great too. also, it doesn't hurt that these arcs have been building up to an event so amazing and awesome and amazing that i can't wait and will squee hard for a bajillion years

CHARMED: It's the Most Wonderul Time of the Year (http://charmedtasha.blogspot.com/2009/10/its-most-wonderul-time-of-year.html)

where are you reading from? i really liked them when i was younger. they're making a movie, last i heard. the early ones (i got a pack of all of them) are super racist, it's kind of ridiculous

I got them from a smaller branch of the local library. The most recent date on them is 1982 and they go for $8.98.


Comics used to be super racist in general, really. Even after non-white superheroes were introduced it was still really bad for a while. I wish I had some good pages on hand for examples, but I don't.


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AVENGERS ASSEMBLE

YouTube - Avengers Assemble! Episode 1: Healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA9PYvkwVxw)

YouTube - Avengers Assemble! Episode 2: Jobs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXZkcANsias)

YouTube - Avengers Assemble! Episode 3: Oil Spill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw1iyYcESm8)

I'm looking for a good comic...

the walking dead
y: the last man
transmetropolitan
the losers
runaways
..scott pilgrim

Neil Gaiman is going to be on Arthur.


Neil Gaiman Gets Animated on Arthur | GeekDad | Wired.com (http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/09/neil-gaiman-gets-animated-on-arthur/)

I'm looking for a good comic...

What are you looking for? I can link you some stuff if I know what you're in the mood for.

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I'm looking for a good comic...

What are you looking for? I can link you some stuff if I know what you're in the mood for.

Check it out Chloe is now book canon!


With pretty much every other character in anime filler episode Limbo she was one of the few who actually got some development. Course, it helps she's adorable and charismatic as all hell.

Kristen Bell almost got the part of Chloe, I think it came down to her and Alison Mack. There's even a screentest of her for it I think.

I have no other comments since I pretty much only watch Smallville if they're having an awesome character appearing on it. TV show Chloe dresses cuter than that, but clothes are usually not that great in comics and what really matters is that she's well written. Looking forward to seeing her show up.

SO it's gonna be Deadpool or some zombie cop movie but not both.
Ryan Reynolds: I'll be in either Deadpool or R.I.P.D., but probably not both (http://io9.com/5643487/ryan-reynolds-ill-be-in-either-deadpool-or-ripd-but-probably-not-both)

Dammit why couldn't Reynolds do Deadpool before Green Lantern? I don't want to wait for 3 GL movies before getting Deadpool.

Well, the Green Lantern movies are more important to me than the Deadpool movie, but I'm iffy about Ryan Reynolds playing Hal anyways. I don't think he'll do a bad job at all but it's a little weird since he's another comic character and he's not who I would've picked. I probably would've casted Nathan Fillion, but I guess he's not a big enough ~star~ or something. Considering some of the people who the studio was considering I guess I got pretty lucky with Ryan Reynolds. ; ;

Who else were they considering?

Justin Timberlake.

no way.

Justin Timberlake.




Reynolds was already in Blade 3 before he was Deadpool and Chris Evens was already The Human Torch, Lucas Lee, & Casey Jones before he was Captain America.

He was in The Losers too.

It seems like executives really like to give parts to the same couple of people. Hollywood can be pretty awful. I'm always stunned when I listen to commentaries on movies and people are talking about how for one part, the studio will just give them a list of names and they pretty much had to cast off that. They need their ~star~ and everything.

I tend to think most actors are overpaid in terms of how many butts they actually put in theater seats. Very few actors have huge followings of people that will go see any movie they're in regardless of how good it looks. A lot of famous names are "box office poison" too. I guess being famous means you get to do the talk show circuit to promote the movie, but you really don't have to be very famous to do that.

Maybe I'm biased in this department because I feel like in superhero movies, the movie's big draw should be a superhero, and not a movie star. I'm sure Ryan Reynolds will do a perfectly good job as Hal, and I hope Chris Evans is good as Cap- I actually like Chris Evans a lot, even though I think it's weird casting- I just get frustrated by the way things continue to be done with these movies. Blake Lively as Carol Ferris. ; ;

And yeah Rob, Variety confirmed Justin Timberlake was up for the part, and they're really reliable.

He was in The Losers too.

It seems like executives really like to give parts to the same couple of people. Hollywood can be pretty awful. I'm always stunned when I listen to commentaries on movies and people are talking about how for one part, the studio will just give them a list of names and they pretty much had to cast off that. They need their ~star~ and everything.

I tend to think most actors are overpaid in terms of how many butts they actually put in theater seats. Very few actors have huge followings of people that will go see any movie they're in regardless of how good it looks. A lot of famous names are "box office poison" too. I guess being famous means you get to do the talk show circuit to promote the movie, but you really don't have to be very famous to do that.

Maybe I'm biased in this department because I feel like in superhero movies, the movie's big draw should be a superhero, and not a movie star. I'm sure Ryan Reynolds will do a perfectly good job as Hal, and I hope Chris Evans is good as Cap- I actually like Chris Evans a lot, even though I think it's weird casting- I just get frustrated by the way things continue to be done with these movies. Blake Lively as Carol Ferris. ; ;

And yeah Rob, Variety confirmed Justin Timberlake was up for the part, and they're really reliable.

That's funny seeing as how I only ever see bad movies based on who's in then is when it's the more weirder guys like Tim Curry or Garry Oldman or Christopher Lee or Alan Rickman. It also helps if they have awesome voices like Morgan Freeman or James Earl Jones. Why Does John Rhys-Davies always take every sci-fi tv role he's given? THey couldn't be paying him all that much.

Probably the biggest thing I fear in adaptations is the what they do to the female characters.

I see everyone else is bringing their A-game to this thread.

Allow me to crash in with my D-game:

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Fixed.

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I hate that Brave and the Bold is on at 6:30, I missed this beauty.
YouTube - "Birds of Prey" from Batman: The Brave and The Bold (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAFP0IoMfsA)

I hate that Brave and the Bold is on at 6:30, I missed this beauty.
YouTube - "Birds of Prey" from Batman: The Brave and The Bold (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAFP0IoMfsA)

Excellent.

Lego Killing Joke.
YouTube - The Killing Joke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT0U8-JZyLg)

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TrekWeb.com - IDW Reveals Infestation Comic Book Mini Series Which Unites Star Trek and Other Licensed Titles (http://trekweb.com/articles/2010/10/08/IDW-Reveals-Infestation-Comic-Book-Mini-Series-Which-Unites-Star-Trek-and-Other-Licensed-Titles.shtml)

This is rather random, and zombies? Ghostbusters deal with that stuff all the time, G.I. Joe are highly trained and armed to the teeth, Star Trek while tacticaly a step backward in terms of warfare are highly advanced enough that they might even be able to find a cure, even if the Transformers weren't technologically advanced like Trek but also huge they're still robots so just send them in and problem solved. It's actually kinda lame story wise now that I think about it. But if we got a video game and some toys...

Art on that cover is really nice, so is the coloring. I get really excited over stuff like this sometimes- there's a Batman/Vampires/Werewolves/Zombies comic recently I have in mind here- but then when I actually read it, it's kind of a let down. Hope they go full on with the camp and don't really try and play things straight here, because this could be a lot of fun.

Sadly io9 ran the same story and said that none of the properties will "meet" each other, just fight the same threat in their respective universes. So no transforming Enterprise fighting Stay-Puft Unicron Man :(

CBR has some Arkham City images up if anyone wants to take a gander: New images from Batman: Arkham City | Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources – Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/10/new-images-from-batman-arkham-city/)

I like that Harley redesign a lot better than the one they used in the first Arkham Asylum!

Well she was meant to be a nurse in that one.

The Emperor Joker ep. of Batman: Brave and the Bold has some of the most fucked up shit I've seen in a kid's cartoon.

You should read the actual Emperor Joker story from the comics, it is pretty great! I can post it for you if you'd like.

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somebody stop me if there has already been a bitchfest about this topic, but where in the fuck did Marvel get the idea that Colossus needed to be gay? The Ultimate series of Marvel seems to be some kind of liberal go-fags wet dream. From what i have read of this series they've attempted to be more 'modern'. It's like Joss Whedon threw up some of his best garbage in some issues. Alot of pro-feminism, anti-male propaganda litters each issue, especially the Ultimate Spiderman comic. Does Peter Parker even have a penis anymore? And finally the new story lines are totally screwed up. I mean, who is going to believe that Cable is actually a future version of Wolverine. It seems that just about all of the Ultimate Marvel universe is screwed up beyond repair. Their attempt to bring in a larger audience looks more like pandering to me.

To be brutally honest i grow weary of just about every live action show and cartoon pandering to one group or another. As a black bisexual i feel as if the leaders of the group to which I belong are acting as if we need to be placated. As if we need to see a gay, black, or feminized males in TV and prose in order for us to feel as if we matter or that we should feel good about ourselves. To be honest I don't need that! I don't feel any better about being bisexual because Colossus is gay, or Willow from BTVS is gay. I'm starting to think that the TV networks, comic books, and other media are whoring themselves out to a bunch of special interest group johns. And like any whore, they compliment you on your prowess and virility, but all they want is your money, and if they help you pop your cork fast enough then they can get rid of you and go on to the next john. That's what we've become, dollar signs. I don't think the media of today actually cares about the plight of any minority of any kind. They simply add gays and blacks to avoid controversy and to increase their ratings, not because they truly empathize or care about the cause.

What we get in the end for this pandering are a collection of one shot characters whose depth is based on their ethnicity or sexuality, and not on the basis of character development.

the ultimate x-line has been over for a while so none of this is "new." also it was all just a retelling of the marvel, or at the very least, the x-men history, with little to no supernatural and alien influences/plot points (phoenix is the exception but there is really no way to tell that otherwise). the fact that colossus is gay really is nothing, and it doesn't define him as a character. in fact, iirc, it's not mentioned that much, aside from a few times to tell background story and character development on colossus. otherwise, the other characters don't really care, and it's certainly not focused on as much as you say. you just seem to be nit-picking and bitching over something super minor.

So what do you want? Nothing but straight white male christians in every form of media?

I don't disagree that the Ultimate Universe is a wreck right now, but I don't think it's because of Colossus being gay or because of Ultimate Spider-man, which was consistently great up until Ultimatum. One of the reasons the Ultimate universe was created was so that people could do new takes on existing characters without being bogged down by continuity. I don't particularly enjoy Ultimate Cap, who is portrayed as being somewhat racist, sexist, and homophobic because of the time he came from, but it's still a valid take on the character, and I have 616 Cap to read any time I please. Ultimate X-men was written by Mark Millar, who is known for being offensive, has had comics come under fire for racism, and isn't really the type of person to resort to 90's esque tokenism. I'm sure he chose to make Colossus gay because he thought it'd be interesting to write. I can't imagine what would bother you about Ultimate Peter Parker, who I think is much more likable than 616 Pete is these days. Why wouldn't he have a penis? Because he treats his girlfriends respectfully?

I'm not going to pretend that there aren't lots of badly written female and minority characters in comics. This is partially due to the fact that comics are almost exclusively written by a bunch of (awesome) nerdy white guys, but honestly, it's also because there are a lot of badly written characters in comics in general, and I say that as a huge fan. When characters like say, Bruce Banner, are badly written (and he's been written horribly a lot, people don't say that there's a problem with how white dudes are written in comics, because said white dudes are considered to be the default. American comics should be diverse, because America is diverse, and superheroes only being white males isn't at all realistic. I wish more comics would focus on heroes outside America too, because that's always felt off to me. I love stuff like Knight and Squire and the Super Young Team.

Willow seems a strange example for you to single out as just being there to avoid controversy, since they couldn't even show her kissing her girlfriend onscreen until season 5 of the show, or have her actually say she was gay, for that matter. She doesn't exist to make you feel better about being bi, she exists because she's a rounded, complex character who was significantly developed over the course of the show's 7 seasons, and in the season 8 comics as well. It's great if people do relate to her story, and I'm sure a lot of people, straight and gay, male and female, can relate to her, because she's a well written character. I hope that that eventually, the media does get away from both the white guy = default thing, and the idea that people can only relate to either white guys or characters who are the same age/sex/ethnicity/sexuality as them. The characters I really relate to are all over the spectrum, from Buffy Summers (white female), Connor Kent (white kryptonian male), Kyle Rayner (hispanic male), Miss Martian (white martian), Shotaro Hidari (asian male), Virgil Hawkins (black male), and I'm sure I'm not rare in feeling this way. I don't think characters have to be at all repeatable to be enjoyable either. I can't relate to Batman, Superman, Power Girl, the Joker, the Spectre, etc, in the slightest, but they're all characters I deeply enjoy reading comics about. Some are aspirational, some are kind of terrifying, but they're all well-written, and that's what matters. And if a female, gay, non-white character isn't well written, I think the goal should be for them to be well written, not for them to be written out of comics. Every bad character is just one good story away from being a good one.

And I also really need to say that it is so sad that anyone would take something being feminist as a bad thing. Everyone should be a feminist, male or female, because misogyny negatively impacts males just as it does females. The idea (that you seem to have) that males shouldn't cry, shouldn't care too much about their appearance or watch certain things, shouldn't do anything associated with being feminine is because of the way society perceives females. Overt sexism is not the problem it used to be, and I am grateful for that, but misogyny is still so ingrained in our society. I catch myself thinking some pretty misogynist stuff sometimes too, and that's really depressing. :(

Wait. This person doesn't like women, or gay people...

Are you just a misanthrope? I've tried being a misanthrope. Doesn't really work.

I'd like to turn Go-Fags into a positive rally cry. Let's do that.

GO-FAGS!!!!!!!! ^___________^

I, like Philip, salute you <3

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So what do you want? Nothing but straight white male christians in every form of media?

I don't disagree that the Ultimate Universe is a wreck right now, but I don't think it's because of Colossus being gay or because of Ultimate Spider-man, which was consistently great up until Ultimatum. One of the reasons the Ultimate universe was created was so that people could do new takes on existing characters without being bogged down by continuity. I don't particularly enjoy Ultimate Cap, who is portrayed as being somewhat racist, sexist, and homophobic because of the time he came from, but it's still a valid take on the character, and I have 616 Cap to read any time I please. Ultimate X-men was written by Mark Millar, who is known for being offensive, has had comics come under fire for racism, and isn't really the type of person to resort to 90's esque tokenism. I'm sure he chose to make Colossus gay because he thought it'd be interesting to write. I can't imagine what would bother you about Ultimate Peter Parker, who I think is much more likable than 616 Pete is these days. Why wouldn't he have a penis? Because he treats his girlfriends respectfully?

I'm not going to pretend that there aren't lots of badly written female and minority characters in comics. This is partially due to the fact that comics are almost exclusively written by a bunch of (awesome) nerdy white guys, but honestly, it's also because there are a lot of badly written characters in comics in general, and I say that as a huge fan. When characters like say, Bruce Banner, are badly written (and he's been written horribly a lot, people don't say that there's a problem with how white dudes are written in comics, because said white dudes are considered to be the default. American comics should be diverse, because America is diverse, and superheroes only being white males isn't at all realistic. I wish more comics would focus on heroes outside America too, because that's always felt off to me. I love stuff like Knight and Squire and the Super Young Team.

Willow seems a strange example for you to single out as just being there to avoid controversy, since they couldn't even show her kissing her girlfriend onscreen until season 5 of the show, or have her actually say she was gay, for that matter. She doesn't exist to make you feel better about being bi, she exists because she's a rounded, complex character who was significantly developed over the course of the show's 7 seasons, and in the season 8 comics as well. It's great if people do relate to her story, and I'm sure a lot of people, straight and gay, male and female, can relate to her, because she's a well written character. I hope that that eventually, the media does get away from both the white guy = default thing, and the idea that people can only relate to either white guys or characters who are the same age/sex/ethnicity/sexuality as them. The characters I really relate to are all over the spectrum, from Buffy Summers (white female), Connor Kent (white kryptonian male), Kyle Rayner (hispanic male), Miss Martian (white martian), Shotaro Hidari (asian male), Virgil Hawkins (black male), and I'm sure I'm not rare in feeling this way. I don't think characters have to be at all repeatable to be enjoyable either. I can't relate to Batman, Superman, Power Girl, the Joker, the Spectre, etc, in the slightest, but they're all characters I deeply enjoy reading comics about. Some are aspirational, some are kind of terrifying, but they're all well-written, and that's what matters. And if a female, gay, non-white character isn't well written, I think the goal should be for them to be well written, not for them to be written out of comics. Every bad character is just one good story away from being a good one.

And I also really need to say that it is so sad that anyone would take something being feminist as a bad thing. Everyone should be a feminist, male or female, because misogyny negatively impacts males just as it does females. The idea (that you seem to have) that males shouldn't cry, shouldn't care too much about their appearance or watch certain things, shouldn't do anything associated with being feminine is because of the way society perceives females. Overt sexism is not the problem it used to be, and I am grateful for that, but misogyny is still so ingrained in our society. I catch myself thinking some pretty misogynist stuff sometimes too, and that's really depressing. :(

This is the most awesome thing I have EVER read on this site. Mandi, YOU are my favorite hero. If I could give you +infinite rep, I would.

i like ultimate spider-man
when does ultimatum start and should i stop reading before getting to that point?

I think the Ultimatum stuff starts around issue 129 or 130? Close to when they started re-numbering. I actually would say to just keep on reading, because while I thought the book wasn't very good for a while, I'm pretty sure it does get good again. Ultimatum was an editorial mandate, and I think it just took the Ultimate Spidey a little while to get back on track. It really is a great comic.

and I'm glad you liked the post, bsnowman! I was worried I wasn't articulating my thoughts very well so I'm happy I made some sense. ^^

So what do you want? Nothing but straight white male christians in every form of media?

I don't disagree that the Ultimate Universe is a wreck right now, but I don't think it's because of Colossus being gay or because of Ultimate Spider-man, which was consistently great up until Ultimatum. One of the reasons the Ultimate universe was created was so that people could do new takes on existing characters without being bogged down by continuity. I don't particularly enjoy Ultimate Cap, who is portrayed as being somewhat racist, sexist, and homophobic because of the time he came from, but it's still a valid take on the character, and I have 616 Cap to read any time I please. Ultimate X-men was written by Mark Millar, who is known for being offensive, has had comics come under fire for racism, and isn't really the type of person to resort to 90's esque tokenism. I'm sure he chose to make Colossus gay because he thought it'd be interesting to write. I can't imagine what would bother you about Ultimate Peter Parker, who I think is much more likable than 616 Pete is these days. Why wouldn't he have a penis? Because he treats his girlfriends respectfully?

I'm not going to pretend that there aren't lots of badly written female and minority characters in comics. This is partially due to the fact that comics are almost exclusively written by a bunch of (awesome) nerdy white guys, but honestly, it's also because there are a lot of badly written characters in comics in general, and I say that as a huge fan. When characters like say, Bruce Banner, are badly written (and he's been written horribly a lot, people don't say that there's a problem with how white dudes are written in comics, because said white dudes are considered to be the default. American comics should be diverse, because America is diverse, and superheroes only being white males isn't at all realistic. I wish more comics would focus on heroes outside America too, because that's always felt off to me. I love stuff like Knight and Squire and the Super Young Team.

Willow seems a strange example for you to single out as just being there to avoid controversy, since they couldn't even show her kissing her girlfriend onscreen until season 5 of the show, or have her actually say she was gay, for that matter. She doesn't exist to make you feel better about being bi, she exists because she's a rounded, complex character who was significantly developed over the course of the show's 7 seasons, and in the season 8 comics as well. It's great if people do relate to her story, and I'm sure a lot of people, straight and gay, male and female, can relate to her, because she's a well written character. I hope that that eventually, the media does get away from both the white guy = default thing, and the idea that people can only relate to either white guys or characters who are the same age/sex/ethnicity/sexuality as them. The characters I really relate to are all over the spectrum, from Buffy Summers (white female), Connor Kent (white kryptonian male), Kyle Rayner (hispanic male), Miss Martian (white martian), Shotaro Hidari (asian male), Virgil Hawkins (black male), and I'm sure I'm not rare in feeling this way. I don't think characters have to be at all repeatable to be enjoyable either. I can't relate to Batman, Superman, Power Girl, the Joker, the Spectre, etc, in the slightest, but they're all characters I deeply enjoy reading comics about. Some are aspirational, some are kind of terrifying, but they're all well-written, and that's what matters. And if a female, gay, non-white character isn't well written, I think the goal should be for them to be well written, not for them to be written out of comics. Every bad character is just one good story away from being a good one.

And I also really need to say that it is so sad that anyone would take something being feminist as a bad thing. Everyone should be a feminist, male or female, because misogyny negatively impacts males just as it does females. The idea (that you seem to have) that males shouldn't cry, shouldn't care too much about their appearance or watch certain things, shouldn't do anything associated with being feminine is because of the way society perceives females. Overt sexism is not the problem it used to be, and I am grateful for that, but misogyny is still so ingrained in our society. I catch myself thinking some pretty misogynist stuff sometimes too, and that's really depressing. :(

I wish I has someone like you around.

Wait. This person doesn't like women, or gay people...

Are you just a misanthrope? I've tried being a misanthrope. Doesn't really work.

I'd like to turn Go-Fags into a positive rally cry. Let's do that.

GO-FAGS!!!!!!!! ^___________^

I, like Philip, salute you <3

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Yer on yer own bub! But seriously what are you talking about.

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So what do you want? Nothing but straight white male christians in every form of media?

I don't disagree that the Ultimate Universe is a wreck right now, but I don't think it's because of Colossus being gay or because of Ultimate Spider-man, which was consistently great up until Ultimatum. One of the reasons the Ultimate universe was created was so that people could do new takes on existing characters without being bogged down by continuity. I don't particularly enjoy Ultimate Cap, who is portrayed as being somewhat racist, sexist, and homophobic because of the time he came from, but it's still a valid take on the character, and I have 616 Cap to read any time I please. Ultimate X-men was written by Mark Millar, who is known for being offensive, has had comics come under fire for racism, and isn't really the type of person to resort to 90's esque tokenism. I'm sure he chose to make Colossus gay because he thought it'd be interesting to write. I can't imagine what would bother you about Ultimate Peter Parker, who I think is much more likable than 616 Pete is these days. Why wouldn't he have a penis? Because he treats his girlfriends respectfully?

I'm not going to pretend that there aren't lots of badly written female and minority characters in comics. This is partially due to the fact that comics are almost exclusively written by a bunch of (awesome) nerdy white guys, but honestly, it's also because there are a lot of badly written characters in comics in general, and I say that as a huge fan. When characters like say, Bruce Banner, are badly written (and he's been written horribly a lot, people don't say that there's a problem with how white dudes are written in comics, because said white dudes are considered to be the default. American comics should be diverse, because America is diverse, and superheroes only being white males isn't at all realistic. I wish more comics would focus on heroes outside America too, because that's always felt off to me. I love stuff like Knight and Squire and the Super Young Team.

Willow seems a strange example for you to single out as just being there to avoid controversy, since they couldn't even show her kissing her girlfriend onscreen until season 5 of the show, or have her actually say she was gay, for that matter. She doesn't exist to make you feel better about being bi, she exists because she's a rounded, complex character who was significantly developed over the course of the show's 7 seasons, and in the season 8 comics as well. It's great if people do relate to her story, and I'm sure a lot of people, straight and gay, male and female, can relate to her, because she's a well written character. I hope that that eventually, the media does get away from both the white guy = default thing, and the idea that people can only relate to either white guys or characters who are the same age/sex/ethnicity/sexuality as them. The characters I really relate to are all over the spectrum, from Buffy Summers (white female), Connor Kent (white kryptonian male), Kyle Rayner (hispanic male), Miss Martian (white martian), Shotaro Hidari (asian male), Virgil Hawkins (black male), and I'm sure I'm not rare in feeling this way. I don't think characters have to be at all repeatable to be enjoyable either. I can't relate to Batman, Superman, Power Girl, the Joker, the Spectre, etc, in the slightest, but they're all characters I deeply enjoy reading comics about. Some are aspirational, some are kind of terrifying, but they're all well-written, and that's what matters. And if a female, gay, non-white character isn't well written, I think the goal should be for them to be well written, not for them to be written out of comics. Every bad character is just one good story away from being a good one.

And I also really need to say that it is so sad that anyone would take something being feminist as a bad thing. Everyone should be a feminist, male or female, because misogyny negatively impacts males just as it does females. The idea (that you seem to have) that males shouldn't cry, shouldn't care too much about their appearance or watch certain things, shouldn't do anything associated with being feminine is because of the way society perceives females. Overt sexism is not the problem it used to be, and I am grateful for that, but misogyny is still so ingrained in our society. I catch myself thinking some pretty misogynist stuff sometimes too, and that's really depressing. :(

What i don't want is pandering and political correctness. I personally think it's killing society. Now as far as feminism goes i've never needed it. Both my parents encouraged me and taught me to believe in myself. I don't need support groups to help me make it. Now feminism has in some ways helped destroy the black community in my opinion. By teaching women that they don't need a man in a relationship we get a large number of women with no man to help raise the children. And a large number of men wandering around aimlessly in life. I find it truly miserable when i can't find a guy to seriously date that doesn't have a baby's mama to worry about. *sigh*

And yes i am tired of wimpy men. I like my men strong, confident, and intelligent. I don't like whiners, which seems to be the token male representation in just about every comedy on TV. It's funny though. I find that a lot of 20-somethings and teenagers find my opinion on things to be unusual in their way of thinking. In fact some have said my thinking is ass backwards. What's truly ironic is that i used to think the same way in my early to mid 20's. Once i made it past 28 i found my mindset changed a lot. Now I'm in my 30's. And i am constantly discovering that a lot of what my parents said, that i thought was stupid and old fashioned, have come true and still apply even i n the so-called "new age".

What i don't want is pandering and political correctness. I personally think it's killing society. Now as far as feminism goes i've never needed it. Both my parents encouraged me and taught me to believe in myself. I don't need support groups to help me make it. Now feminism has in some ways helped destroy the black community in my opinion. By teaching women that they don't need a man in a relationship we get a large number of women with no man to help raise the children. And a large number of men wandering around aimlessly in life. I find it truly miserable when i can't find a guy to seriously date that doesn't have a baby's mama to worry about. *sigh*

And yes i am tired of wimpy men. I like my men strong, confident, and intelligent. I don't like whiners, which seems to be the token male representation in just about every comedy on TV. It's funny though. I find that a lot of 20-somethings and teenagers find my opinion on things to be unusual in their way of thinking. In fact some have said my thinking is ass backwards. What's truly ironic is that i used to think the same way in my early to mid 20's. Once i made it past 28 i found my mindset changed a lot. Now I'm in my 30's. And i am constantly discovering that a lot of what my parents said, that i thought was stupid and old fashioned, have come true and still apply even i n the so-called "new age".

Of course you've benefited from feminism. Being able to post here and speak your opinion on a male dominated board is something that you wouldn't be able to do if the women's rights movement of the 60's. That you're not labeled as a spinster for being single in your 30's is because of feminism. I'm not sure you understand what feminism is. Feminism is women having equal rights to men, is fighting the culture of misogyny. That's pretty much it. To disregard feminism because you don't like some women's rights orginizations is kind of ridiculous. I think PETA is a vile organization, but that doesn't mean I'm going to care any less about animal rights. It just means that I don't support PETA.

I guarantee you that there were still women raising children alone before the women's rights movement. However, before that, they didn't have the support of the legal system in getting what they needed for their children. These women not only didn't have the financial support they needed, but they were scorned by society as they struggled to raise their children. Choosing to raise a child alone is a choice a women has now that she didn't have then, but I don't see that as a negative. As long as the child has loving parents and parental figures in their life, they'll be better off than many other kids out there.

Women don't necessarily need men, and men don't necessarily need women. Not everyone is hetero, after all, and not everyone wants to be in a relationship. That said, I don't think it's wrong to need another person. What I do think is problematic is depending on another person the way that women were made to depend on men prior to the feminist movement in the 1960's. If a women's husband died, she was left helpless. Even if she'd worked prior to getting married, she would've been out of the workforce for the duration of her marriage, and would have to struggle to obtain a job. She would not have been educated about financial matters and would have been faced with problems she was not equipped to deal with. Many widowed or divorced women then were in a situation where they felt they had to marry anyone they could, because of how helpless they were without a husband. That's not a healthy or positive situation for any couple to be in.

Peter Parker is certainly strong and intelligent in Ultimate Spider-man. He has bursts of confidence, but is insecure in many other ways, which I think is a pretty realistic portrayal of a teenaged character. Confidence is a wonderful asset to have, but it's something that many people lack, and seeing these character's insecurities helps to humanize them for them for the reader and gives them ways to relate to them. It's also a pretty tremendous thing, to see a character overcome their lack of confidence, and can be pretty inspiring. I don't think being strong, confident, and intelligent means that men can't show emotion either. It's unhealthy to keep everything bottled inside, and no one, male or female, should feel like they have to do it. One thing I hate right now is the way that any expression of feelings is derided for being emo. It's okay to be emo sometimes guys! We're not robots.

I also think that the ideal machismo thing can be pretty messed up. Some guys are naturally that way, and that is awesome for them. But not every guy is going to be that way, and no one should be made to feel bad about themselves because of not living up to that ideal. It's part of believing in equality for males and females- guys should be able to cry if they want to, to express their emotion as they want to, to have their feelings hurt, to not like sports or to like shows about cooking and houses. People should feel okay with being the person they want to be, whether they're male or female. I also think you're probably watching the wrong comedies, but that's for another post.

There's this pervasive idea that things used to be different in the good old days. Couples stayed happily married and raised their children in their house with the white picket fence. People treated each other respectfully, kids always had fresh homecooked meals to eat, all men were chivalrous, and you could accomplish what you wanted through hard work. The truth is though, that things were never like that. What's truly different about now and the good old days is that we were better (or just worked harder) at putting up facades back then. And I'm glad that less people have to bottle everything they feel inside, I'm glad less gay people feel they have to stay closeted, I'm glad that two people, two women at that, can exchange opinions like this and don't feel like they have to keep their mouth shut.

What I find particularly weird about what you're saying, though (I hear this stuff about feminism all the time) is the way you assume that female and minority characters are just pandering. Why? Why would you undervalue those characters in that way. And you didn't answer my question. Do you really think all comic or other media characters should just be white dudes? And if so, why?

I also think that the ideal machismo thing can be pretty messed up. Some guys are naturally that way, and that is awesome for them. But not every guy is going to be that way, and no one should be made to feel bad about themselves because of not living up to that ideal. It's part of believing in equality for males and females- guys should be able to cry if they want to, to express their emotion as they want to, to have their feelings hurt, to not like sports or to like shows about cooking and houses. People should feel okay with being the person they want to be, whether they're male or female. I also think you're probably watching the wrong comedies, but that's for another post.

There's this pervasive idea that things used to be different in the good old days. Couples stayed happily married and raised their children in their house with the white picket fence. People treated each other respectfully, kids always had fresh homecooked meals to eat, all men were chivalrous, and you could accomplish what you wanted through hard work. The truth is though, that things were never like that. What's truly different about now and the good old days is that we were better (or just worked harder) at putting up facades back then. And I'm glad that less people have to bottle everything they feel inside, I'm glad less gay people feel they have to stay closeted, I'm glad that two people, two women at that, can exchange opinions like this and don't feel like they have to keep their mouth shut.

What I find particularly weird about what you're saying, though (I hear this stuff about feminism all the time) is the way you assume that female and minority characters are just pandering. Why? Why would you undervalue those characters in that way. And you didn't answer my question. Do you really think all comic or other media characters should just be white dudes? And if so, why?

I've never said i wanted all comics to have nothing but white christian males in them. As far as undervaluing characters, no offense but your statements prove to me that you only see things through the glasses of political correctness, youth, and lack of knowledge, not the truth of what's behind the characters. You answered much of the question yourself when you brought up the fact that Willow of BTVS was not allowed to show any affection for a number of seasons. If the network was truly pro-LBGT then Willow would have been french kissing and having mild sex scenes off the bat with her girlfriend. If there was truly a belief in diversity at the major networks there would be more then one or two black characters in the majority of television shows on TV. Also have you ever noticed that all of shows that have a majority black cast are comedies? Why can't CBS, NBC, or ABC come up with a drama starting a all-black or majority black cast? It can't be that difficult.

Now as far as machismo in men. Your view tells me that you are one of those "emotional" type of guys. I have nothing against that but what's being promoted is a weakening of the masculine mindset/persona. Watch the comedies, how many whiny, weak-willed men are there in most of these shows? If there is a strong male presence in any of the shows it is derided as being dumb, or poor. One thing I've come to learn over the years is that things are balanced a certain way for a reason. It seems to be the ultimate cause of just about every progressive movement in the world to undermine that balance and replace it with some politically correct bullshit fantasy. Not just to make things 'fair' but also to stroke their egos and prove that they can do things differently just because its them doing it.

You answered much of the question yourself when you brought up the fact that Willow of BTVS was not allowed to show any affection for a number of seasons. If the network was truly pro-LBGT then Willow would have been french kissing and having mild sex scenes off the bat with her girlfriend. If there was truly a belief in diversity at the major networks there would be more then one or two black characters in the majority of television shows on TV. Also have you ever noticed that all of shows that have a majority black cast are comedies? Why can't CBS, NBC, or ABC come up with a drama starting a all-black or majority black cast? It can't be that difficult.

Of course the network wasn't pro-LGBT. I'm sure they would've preferred that there were no gay characters on Buffy at all, as it's contentious, even more so back then than it would be now. But it was part of Whedon's vision, and he fought tooth and nail to be able to have it. Eventually, he did get the chance to allow his characters to kiss, to have sex scenes, and to openly discuss their sexuality. But it was a long, hard battle for him to be able to do so, and to suggest that she was some token character the network added in to be more PC is completely wrong.

I don't even think there are any comedies on the major networks right now that feature a majority black cast. I can think of a few on cable, but writers have a lot more freedom on cable than they do on the networks. This season, there is one drama with two black leads, but almost all the supporting characters are white, and from what I've seen, it's likely to be canceled. This is hugely problematic. However, where we differ on this is that you see any attempts at diversity by the network as pandering. I completely disagree. I think television would be even more whitewashed than it is if the networks had their way. So few shows are even permitted to do something like colorblind casting- most casting sheets call for only Caucasian actors, even if being white has nothing to do with the character's background. Many writers/show-heads have to fight to be allowed to do "color-blind casting", where they can audition actors of any race and just cast the best actor for the part. Even adaptations of shows with a minority cast, like The Last Airbender, get completely whitewashed. Marvel was asking for an exotic Caucasian girl to play the Asian female lead in Runaways until the casting sheet leaked on the internet and there was a huge outcry. Clearly, viewers, readers, etc, need to get it through to these companies that people want more diversity in media, not less.


Now as far as machismo in men. Your view tells me that you are one of those "emotional" type of guys. I have nothing against that but what's being promoted is a weakening of the masculine mindset/persona. Watch the comedies, how many whiny, weak-willed men are there in most of these shows? If there is a strong male presence in any of the shows it is derided as being dumb, or poor. One thing I've come to learn over the years is that things are balanced a certain way for a reason. It seems to be the ultimate cause of just about every progressive movement in the world to undermine that balance and replace it with some politically correct bullshit fantasy. Not just to make things 'fair' but also to stroke their egos and prove that they can do things differently just because its them doing it.

I'm not a guy, I'm female, as I stated. I get the feeling I watch very different comedies from you, because what you're describing sounds like the stereotypical family sitcom- dumb, fat husband, hot, bitchy wife who has to parent him along with their children. I watch NBC's comedy block, minus Outsourced, which I have heard is not funny and pretty racist. None of these shows are family sitcoms, and the male characters on this show are pretty diverse. If you're bothered by how the males are written on these shows, try watching other comedies instead.

What do you think is good about the balance we have now? Do you really think it's a positive thing that there are no shows with a black majority cast on network television? That next to no non-white superheroes at the big two publishers have their own books? The only one I can name off the top of my head is Black Panther. Do you think it's a good thing that gay characters aren't allowed to show affection the way their straight counterparts are, unless there's a three episode arc where a hot female character spends a lot of time making out with a hot female character, and has her attraction to women ignored from that point out? That there are twice as many male characters as there are female ones in television aimed at children?

And if you don't think these things are positive, then why don't you think they should change? You keep throwing around the term politically correct like a buzzword, but I don't see how it'd apply to anything that's genuinely a problem. The networks, the publishers, Hollywood- they should be striving to improve, and the audiences that they are making a fortune off of should be making sure that they do it. Comics in particular are a niche industry, and I think it's vital that they change if they're going to survive. Trying to appeal only to straight white males in a certain age bracket is not a sustainable business model.

Of course the network wasn't pro-LGBT. I'm sure they would've preferred that there were no gay characters on Buffy at all, as it's contentious, even more so back then than it would be now. But it was part of Whedon's vision, and he fought tooth and nail to be able to have it. Eventually, he did get the chance to allow his characters to kiss, to have sex scenes, and to openly discuss their sexuality. But it was a long, hard battle for him to be able to do so, and to suggest that she was some token character the network added in to be more PC is completely wrong.

I don't even think there are any comedies on the major networks right now that feature a majority black cast. I can think of a few on cable, but writers have a lot more freedom on cable than they do on the networks. This season, there is one drama with two black leads, but almost all the supporting characters are white, and from what I've seen, it's likely to be canceled. This is hugely problematic. However, where we differ on this is that you see any attempts at diversity by the network as pandering. I completely disagree. I think television would be even more whitewashed than it is if the networks had their way. So few shows are even permitted to do something like colorblind casting- most casting sheets call for only Caucasian actors, even if being white has nothing to do with the character's background. Many writers/show-heads have to fight to be allowed to do "color-blind casting", where they can audition actors of any race and just cast the best actor for the part. Even adaptations of shows with a minority cast, like The Last Airbender, get completely whitewashed. Marvel was asking for an exotic Caucasian girl to play the Asian female lead in Runaways until the casting sheet leaked on the internet and there was a huge outcry. Clearly, viewers, readers, etc, need to get it through to these companies that people want more diversity in media, not less.




I'm not a guy, I'm female, as I stated. I get the feeling I watch very different comedies from you, because what you're describing sounds like the stereotypical family sitcom- dumb, fat husband, hot, bitchy wife who has to parent him along with their children. I watch NBC's comedy block, minus Outsourced, which I have heard is not funny and pretty racist. None of these shows are family sitcoms, and the male characters on this show are pretty diverse. If you're bothered by how the males are written on these shows, try watching other comedies instead.

You do have a point. But to be honest i gave up watching most comedies a long time ago. Most of then are social engineering drivel in my opinion.


What do you think is good about the balance we have now? Do you really think it's a positive thing that there are no shows with a black majority cast on network television? That next to no non-white superheroes at the big two publishers have their own books? The only one I can name off the top of my head is Black Panther. Do you think it's a good thing that gay characters aren't allowed to show affection the way their straight counterparts are, unless there's a three episode arc where a hot female character spends a lot of time making out with a hot female character, and has her attraction to women ignored from that point out? That there are twice as many male characters as there are female ones in television aimed at children?



And if you don't think these things are positive, then why don't you think they should change? You keep throwing around the term politically correct like a buzzword, but I don't see how it'd apply to anything that's genuinely a problem. The networks, the publishers, Hollywood- they should be striving to improve, and the audiences that they are making a fortune off of should be making sure that they do it. Comics in particular are a niche industry, and I think it's vital that they change if they're going to survive. Trying to appeal only to straight white males in a certain age bracket is not a sustainable business model.

This is the second time you've just totally missed my point. The point is not about weather or not the networks have a majority black cast. It's about the fact that many networks add a black cast member to a show to PANDER to a black audience. In other words they do it for money and to keep from getting bitched at by numerous groups. To be honest in comics there is a reason why there are so few black characters. THERE ARE ALMOST NO BLACKS BUYING COMICS!!! ACCORDING TO THE BUSINESS MODEL YOU DON'T EXPAND IN AN AREA THAT NO ONE IS BUYING IN!!!! *sigh* I go to a comic book store in my hometown. Through out the 10+ years this store has existed i have only seen three other black females come into the store, and two of those occasions they were there to buy something for a child, the third woman was there because she wanted to buy comics for herself. As far as black males go I've only seen two of them at the store that are regulars. The reason why there aren't more black characters in comics is because a large number of black males DO NOT READ COMICS!!! Remember Static Shock, ION, and a entire line of pro-black comics that came out in the 90s? The line lasted all of three years because NO ONE WAS BUYING THE COMICS!! Not even in the market it was aimed at!! In business you don't create a product aimed at a specific audience if no one is buying. SO in other words why do they continue to put one black male in a majority white show? There is ample evidence that there are not enough blacks watching the show to make a difference in ratings, so why even bother? Simple. Because some group complains there aren't enough blacks on TV so the show adds one to SHUT UP THE COMPLAINERS! When you do something to just engender feelings of goodwill in order to avoid conflict we call that pandering.

This is the second time you've just totally missed my point. The point is not about weather or not the networks have a majority black cast. It's about the fact that many networks add a black cast member to a show to PANDER to a black audience. In other words they do it for money and to keep from getting bitched at by numerous groups. To be honest in comics there is a reason why there are so few black characters. THERE ARE ALMOST NO BLACKS BUYING COMICS!!! ACCORDING TO THE BUSINESS MODEL YOU DON'T EXPAND IN AN AREA THAT NO ONE IS BUYING IN!!!! *sigh* I go to a comic book store in my hometown. Through out the 10+ years this store has existed i have only seen three other black females come into the store, and two of those occasions they were there to buy something for a child, the third woman was there because she wanted to buy comics for herself. As far as black males go I've only seen two of them at the store that are regulars. The reason why there aren't more black characters in comics is because a large number of black males DO NOT READ COMICS!!! Remember Static Shock, ION, and a entire line of pro-black comics that came out in the 90s? The line lasted all of three years because NO ONE WAS BUYING THE COMICS!! Not even in the market it was aimed at!! In business you don't create a product aimed at a specific audience if no one is buying. SO in other words why do they continue to put one black male in a majority white show? There is ample evidence that there are not enough blacks watching the show to make a difference in ratings, so why even bother? Simple. Because some group complains there aren't enough blacks on TV so the show adds one to SHUT UP THE COMPLAINERS! When you do something to just engender feelings of goodwill in order to avoid conflict we call that pandering.

I'm missing your point because I don't really understand where you're coming from. There's certainly no widespread issue of minority characters randomly being added into television shows a few seasons in. The one show I regularly see being criticized for its lack of minority characters is Mad Men, and in one of this season's last episodes, they (spoiler) fired the show's only regular black character. In comics right now, there's actually a major problem with minority characters being killed off and being replaced with their white predecessors- the deaths of Ryan Choi and Kendra Saunders are two recent example. Other popular minority characters, like Cassandra Cain and John Stewart, have been pushed to the sidelines and are seriously underused (though at least John got a great moment of awesome in Blackest Night).

I do think a network wouldn't, say, launch a new season of pilots that features no minority characters for fear of bad press, but I don't perceive that as pandering. Networks also routinely avoid pilots that would require a mostly minority cast, or that feature gay romance. Because their primary goal is making money through advertisers, they don't want to alienate anyone too much.

I also think that the way a character is introduced shouldn't define the character, particularly with comics. DC introduced Batwoman in 2006. They announced she'd be a lesbian, and they got a fair bit of press because of it, which I'm sure was one of their major goals. However, the character was pretty much a non-entity. She showed up in 52 as Renee Montoya's girlfriend, and she didn't get much characterization beyond that. However, 2 years later, DC allowed the character to take over their popular Detective Comics title. A terrific writer, Greg Rucka, was put on the book, as was one of the best artists in comics, JH Williams III. It was a major success. It sold well, DC got lots of critical acclaim, and Kate Kane is now a fleshed-out, well developed character with a terrific backstory. She's also very different in both design and motivation than the rest of the Batfamily. Because it was a hit, she's now getting her own ongoing.

Characters in comics can rise above their beginnings, or blips in their history. Alan Moore took Miracleman, a cheesy, Leave it to Beaver-esque superhero tale and turned it into a dark, brilliant story that deconstructed the superhero genre and focused on causes of evil. Batman was considered a joke in the 1960's, and even in a good part of the 1970's, when Denny O'Neil was writing some pretty solid stories. But Frank Miller came in, re-wrote the origin of the character, and helped to reinvent him in the minds of readers to the character he is today. The ability to do this is one of the greatest things about comics. If you believe a character isn't up to snuff, whether because they're written badly, don't have much of a backstory, or because they're a walking stereotype, the focus should be on figuring out how to make these characters better, not on getting rid of them.

I don't have access to studies on comic reader demographics that would confirm my beliefs, but I don't think the number of black comic readers is as small as you think it is. Every comic forum I've ever lurked at has had a high number of black members. Milestone Media wasn't the flop that you seem to think it is. The company actually still exists, even though they closed their comic division. Several of their comics, particularly Static and Icon, had good sales considering the size of the imprit, and Static also had a very successful cartoon series. Since Milestone shut down, DC has worked to bring the Milestone characters into their universe. Static joined the Teen Titans, and Icon became a member of the Justice League. A new Milestone characters miniseries was released this year. New trade paperbacks of Static, Hardware, and Icon were all recently released. I really recommend the Static Shock trades, by the way. I'm a huge fan of Dwayne McDuffie and Virgil's a really great character. I disagree on the tv stuff too- look at the ratings of shows the CW canceled, like The Game, Everybody Hates Chris, and Girlfriends and compare them to the shows they're choosing to air now- but I am trying to keep this about comics as much as I can.

Comic companies absolutely need to expand their readerbase if they want the medium to survive. 25% of comic readers are over 65. If they don't work hard to bring in new readers, comic companies will die when their readers do. The success of superhero movies has shown that people of all demographics can enjoy these kinds of stories and characters. I believe that DC and Marvel typically see a profit after selling about 19,000 issues of a comic (not counting trade sales), so bringing in even a tiny fraction of this audience would be huge for them. I love comics. My biggest dream in life is to become a comic writer. I hope with all my heart that DC and Marvel choose to try and seek out new readers rather than remaining stagnant, because it would be horrible to see comics disappear.

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'nuff said.



And what the shit is this?

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Marceline again."

I can't give Mandi rep points!

FUCK!

blue and gold, I approve~

adding to what mandi said about race/etc just being an aspect of a character and not what defines them: marvel has a HUGE selection of characters that have been around for years, and lots of them are loved, and certainly aren't defined by the thing that doesn't make them WASPs. Betsy Braddock (psylocke) was a british girl who is now japanese, storm is black, jubilee is asian, magneto and kitty pryde are jewish, and those are just the well known/popular ones. there are tons of others in the x-books and others that are not just white, straight, christian men/women, and they are unique, fleshed out characters that have depth to them.