Also, if you follow the previous symphonies, I intend on collecting all of the music thus far into one place. I may want help in finishing it all. Please inquire on my other thread if interested
Though I am seeing inconsistent info from multiple sources. maybe you are right. Next month
According to OSV, it’s out today: http://www.originalsoundversion.com/the-legend-of-zelda-30th-anniversary-concert-album-now-available/
Damn shame that the BotW performance won’t be on there… I have a faint hope that maybe it’s a ‘hidden’ bonus track but that’s probably being waaayy too optimistic.
Damn shame that the BotW performance won’t be on there… I have a faint hope that maybe it’s a ‘hidden’ bonus track but that’s probably being waaayy too optimistic.
"Includes a DVD that shows screenshots that were displayed on the big screen during the concert."
ハイラル城
02 ゼルダ姫のテーマ
03 風のタクトメドレー
04 ボス戦闘曲メドレー
05 神々のトライフォース2&3銃士メドレー
06 「スカイウォードソード」スタッフロール
07 ゼルダの伝説30周年シンフォニー
08 ゲルドの谷
09 大妖精のテーマ
10 トワイライトプリンセスメドレー
11 ゼルダの伝説メインテーマ
OMG. LMAO.
You’re welcome 😉
What’s the point?
What’s the point?
Unboxing*
People that are not Grinches like you? People who want to know how what they are interested in, looks?
Hey guys Skelly here!*snort* Let me open up my new package!
*fumbles around with the box for three minutes*
So uh yeah… This is what it looks like…uh… like and subscribe! :DDD
Not my cup of tea.
It will eventually be uploaded, have patience.
I’m surprised it isn’t shared yet so I did the most basic work for you guys 🙂
Extract wav with EAC and convert to mp3 VBR0 because mega upload is slow (why?).
Enjoy!
https://mega.nz/#F!RMUikIKJ!GzyqnO2a49r1anTppgMs9g
Edit: eustassthekid’s flac and tagging job done:
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I’m surprised it isn’t shared yet so I did the most basic work for you guys 🙂
Extract wav with EAC and convert to mp3 VBR0 because mega upload is slow (why?).
Enjoy!
https://mega.nz/#F!RMUikIKJ!GzyqnO2a49r1anTppgMs9g
thank you, could you provide the FLAC? I m not collecting mp3.
I can but I won’t at least not soon; The upload speed on mega was too slow (like 100kB/S when my connexion can go upper than 1MB/s) and I just wanted to share the basic thing that is good enough to listen to, (it’s not even tagged) before someone else provide a "community standard" rip 🙂
Otherwise I will wait for a lossless rip.
:laugh:
Impatient people, indeed. I want a lossless rip but I don’t mind waiting til the best sharers in the Shrine do it 100% and with scans. Why not wait? It’s worth it.
https://mega.nz/#!RYsW2D6Q!H4LSLYvqvT5MFAHPQeTnM_I9jCSklVLCYwey6XCWmWI
I put the waves into an uncompressed zip, I hope that’s what you need to do the flaccing and tagging job 😀 I’ve done my part for the day I think 😉
I also hope I saved jacken’s life 😀
https://mega.nz/#!RYsW2D6Q!H4LSLYvqvT5MFAHPQeTnM_I9jCSklVLCYwey6XCWmWI
I put the waves into an uncompressed zip, I hope that’s what you need to do the flaccing and tagging job 😀 I’ve done my part for the day I think 😉
I also hope I saved jacken’s life 😀
Perfect 🙂 rep added for your effort, and don’t forget, lossless forever!
(is there any filming of the orchestra playing?)
Btw, amazing release 🙂
Btw, amazing release 🙂
I do want it actually 😀
Yeah to come full circle 😉
Sometimes I’m curious to listen to other orchestras performances, but sometimes some live concerts clearly lacks something.
It’s pretty obvious with concerts like Final Fantasy ones, when CDs are released containing the full intended orchestra recording, and the performance comes to you in Europe 2 or 3 years later with a local, still good, but lesser/cheaper size.
I mean Majora’s Mask was more or less forgotten again, The Dark World and Death Mountain movement from A Link to the Past/A Link Between Worlds not in here…. The fact the overall Legend of Zelda theme makes it into 3 arrangements on the disc due to the songs they chose to highlight (Skyward Sword Staff Roll has it’s own tribute to the original LoZ theme) … so it gets a bit repetitive.
Then there is the returning compositions from the 25th Anniversary orchestrated CD (clearly a different performance but still they’ve already been heard)….
There are duds in the concert CD… like the Ocarina Medley Suite (how it’s broken up and disjointed takes away from the experience)
Overall it’s alright, but not quite the same punch as the original 25th Anniversary tribute. I enjoyed the 30th Anniversary medley cause there was a lot of Link’s Awakening in it which was sort of overlooked previously, but it doesn’t compare to the 25th Anniversary medley. Overall there seemed a certain lack of energy in most of the performances and arrangements but that’s just me.
Also bummed that they didn’t even work in Breath of the Wild movement in with the game so close to release. I mean Skyward Sword was represent in the 25th anniversary and the game wasn’t released so I mean. You get the idea. It just feels like a bit of missed opportunity as a celebration of the series.
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There are duds in the concert CD… like the Ocarina Medley Suite (how it’s broken up and disjointed takes away from the experience)
Overall it’s alright, but not quite the same punch as the original 25th Anniversary tribute. I enjoyed the 30th Anniversary medley cause there was a lot of Link’s Awakening in it which was sort of overlooked previously, but it doesn’t compare to the 25th Anniversary medley. Overall there seemed a certain lack of energy in most of the performances and arrangements but that’s just me.
Also bummed that they didn’t even work in Breath of the Wild movement in with the game so close to release. I mean Skyward Sword was represent in the 25th anniversary and the game wasn’t released so I mean. You get the idea. It just feels like a bit of missed opportunity as a celebration of the series.
We’re agreed on all this. It’s not a dud but it certainly is not the best performance these tunes have seen.
I mean Majora’s Mask was more or less forgotten again, The Dark World and Death Mountain movement from A Link to the Past/A Link Between Worlds not in here…. The fact the overall Legend of Zelda theme makes it into 3 arrangements on the disc due to the songs they chose to highlight (Skyward Sword Staff Roll has it’s own tribute to the original LoZ theme) … so it gets a bit repetitive.
Then there is the returning compositions from the 25th Anniversary orchestrated CD (clearly a different performance but still they’ve already been heard)….
There are duds in the concert CD… like the Ocarina Medley Suite (how it’s broken up and disjointed takes away from the experience)
Overall it’s alright, but not quite the same punch as the original 25th Anniversary tribute. I enjoyed the 30th Anniversary medley cause there was a lot of Link’s Awakening in it which was sort of overlooked previously, but it doesn’t compare to the 25th Anniversary medley. Overall there seemed a certain lack of energy in most of the performances and arrangements but that’s just me.
Also bummed that they didn’t even work in Breath of the Wild movement in with the game so close to release. I mean Skyward Sword was represent in the 25th anniversary and the game wasn’t released so I mean. You get the idea. It just feels like a bit of missed opportunity as a celebration of the series.
Agreed too.
Except I can think of two reasons (or causes):
– It was a japanese concert. Zelda isn’t particularly at its peek in Japan recently. The strong presence of the first 5 games isn’t surprising since that’s the older ones that are the highest regarded in Japan.
– I don’t know exactly who produced the concert and the setlist but when it comes to do selections, I think Nintendo (Kondo?) has been awful for the past few years. Look at all the Mario or Zelda CDs, the tracklists are terrible.
I’m surprised it isn’t shared yet so I did the most basic work for you guys 🙂
Extract wav with EAC and convert to mp3 VBR0 because mega upload is slow (why?).
Enjoy!
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We’re agreed on all this. It’s not a dud but it certainly is not the best performance these tunes have seen.To be fair your probably right, dud may be bit strong of a word. There’s some sincerely beautiful moments in the Ocarina Suite Medley, but again it’s kind of ruined by the interruptions
As for Majora’s mask I can give you tow other very iconic tunes from the game. The Song of Healing (which is also the background music to the the Clock Tower interior first heard at the start of the game) and the Oath to Order, which is again iconic to the game because you hear it at consistent moments (specifically after all your victories against the bosses of the game). Also has also gotten quite a bit of representation in the Symphony of the Goddess tours.
And more importantly is the fact that with such a rich history it still would be up there for representation. Majora’s Mask isn’t the Minish Cap or even Spirit Tracks (which has an amazing soundtrack, and thankfully at least gets a song in most of these). I mean Triforce Heroes got more representation over it…. and still again really missed opportunity including a Breath of the Wild song… I mean we’ve heard two musical scores now from the trailers and either would’ve been good to include.
Just felt a bit all over the place. Still the two discs offer a bit more than the original 25th anniversary CD. I’m still enjoying it, but just had this initial pinch of disappointment. And come on A Link to the Pasts Death Mountain score…. like it’s so iconic and in ALBW.
Maybe we will get some good music on BotW’s OST, but I do wonder how much of the soundtrack will be present. I am hoping they used best again.
The Tokyo Philharmonic.
https://mega.nz/#!RYsW2D6Q!H4LSLYvqvT5MFAHPQeTnM_I9jCSklVLCYwey6XCWmWI
I put the waves into an uncompressed zip, I hope that’s what you need to do the flaccing and tagging job 😀 I’ve done my part for the day I think 😉
I also hope I saved jacken’s life 😀
I do want it actually 😀
Yeah to come full circle 😉
And here it is converted to FLAC and fully tagged. (https://mega.nz/#!6cYDTDjQ!FWSV-0o0ZcYWBxZyUwoHXlFS1xrYiTtmgSC49d5YKr8)
Password is "cactus"
Password is "cactus"
Thank you very much to everyone who cooperated to share this album! 😀
Uhhh…. check the comments? post #57 literally three before you.
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Also, here is a perfectly square album art that I fixed up in PS for those of you who like perfectly square album art in your libraries. Had to modify it because the original art would cut off if you cropped it.
And it’s not hard to generate a CUE sheet yourself..
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That’s exactly what I downloaded. Like I said, it should be noted that it’s not a lossless rip.
Log and cue files have nothing to do with lossless quality, a "rip" can be lossless without them.
And it’s not hard to generate a CUE sheet yourself..
Lossless audio compression =/= lossless rip, if data from the disc has been discarded or altered. Like you said, the log provides quality assurance. And in lieu of that quality assurance, you can at least still verify it with the cue, which is also missing. You can’t just generate a fake cue, it’d be missing all the data that necceitates the cue in the first place. Not your rip so I know it’s not your fault but we should really be following proper procedure here if we’re going to take the time to upload things considering many people are on tiered/limited data plans and these downloads can be huge, a lot of waste if there’s something wrong with it.
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Log and cue files have nothing to do with lossless quality, a "rip" can be lossless without them.
Not if the data is altered or discarded. And even if not, good luck verifying that it’s error free.
This is only losslessly compressed audio, but I would not consider it a lossless rip since data from the original has been altered or discarded.
This is only losslessly compressed audio, but I would not consider it a lossless rip since data from the original has been altered or discarded.
There’s another side to it, you can’t be sure data has been altered, either. At any rate, those who easily get that worried about this stuff are definitely better off getting the CDs and get to rip ’em on their own, that way nobody’s time is wasted.
But, any news about DVD ?
Which I have done in the past when unsatisfactory rips have been produced, and have made sure to follow procedure to provide lossless rips of the other discs I have shared here or elsewhere. Or if just for my own collection. Of course there are no requirements or whatever and anybody can share (almost) anything they want, just saying that for large downloads like this it should be noted if the files customary and expected of a proper lossless rip are missing.
I miss when the hot forum topic was whether or not my drive should have c2 enabled :laugh: at least the rips were identical to the original and verifiable as such!
A lossless rip is a lossless rip.
A lossless rip is a lossless rip.
Well, that’s just wrong. Logs have checksums, and anyone who wishes to fake a log is wasting time because the rip can be verified without it. The cue is more important and is certainly not redundant. Again, used for verifying rips. And where else do you store the correct pre-gap lengths, subcode/toc flags, and isrc codes? Surely you don’t just remember these for every disc/track in your collection? Surely you don’t listen to PE discs undecoded?
It is not a lossless rip if this data has been discarded. Remember, the term is Lossless, not losslittle, or losswhateveryoupersonallydeemunnecessary
Whether a rip comes packaged with .LOG and .CUE files is irrelevant – a lossless rip, as tangotreats said, is a lossless rip. The log and cue files simply act as convenient proofs of veracity. You said this yourself: "used for verifying rips". Not for "lossless-fying" rips. As I understand it there is a difference between ripping the audio content itself (and doing so losslessly, into WAV or FLAC or whatever such format you choose) and duplicating the CD’s other programmed information.
A lossless rip is a lossless rip even there is no cue or log!
cue it’s just useful when you want to burn a CD and log seriously you can check with a lot of program so…
Whether a rip comes packaged with .LOG and .CUE files is irrelevant – a lossless rip, as tangotreats said, is a lossless rip. The log and cue files simply act as convenient proofs of veracity. You said this yourself: "used for verifying rips". Not for "lossless-fying" rips. As I understand it there is a difference between ripping the audio content itself (and doing so losslessly, into WAV or FLAC or whatever such format you choose) and duplicating the CD’s other programmed information.
We need to distinguish between lossless audio compression and lossless ripping techniques. The audio provided here is compressed using a lossless compression scheme. However data has been selectively discarded, and that is data that not only handy for verifying the rip is error free but also can potentially affect how that audio data is processed/played back. The data provided has been altered and is no longer identical to the original, it’s really as simple as that! By all conventional definitions of the term that would not be a lossless rip, but I really don’t care what else anyone decides to call it. I don’t know why we are so quick to defend poor quality work done incorrectly, but it’s a moot point because others will step in to fill the void with properly done rips sooner or later, be it myself, Vegeta, or anyone else.
Again, my point is that given the large file sizes typical of losslessly compressed downloads (also, uncompressed and untagged WAV why???) it would be the courteous thing to do to give people a heads up if the files that are conventionally expected of a proper lossless rip are missing.
WARNING: if you are on a tiered/metered data plan or simply value your time, and are ONLY looking for a LOSSLESS rip where the original data has not been discarded or altered – do NOT download from any of the links before this post!!! Just wait 🙂
Um……if I were to buy a FLAC set from digital music shops like Quboz (http://www.qobuz.com/be-fr/shop) and 7digital (https://us.7digital.com/), does that mean they’re not lossless? It has no log+cue, so surely that must be true, right?
Dude, lossless files are lossless files. No log or cue will ever prove so, since they’re technically merely extras. Hell, you can make a log+cue rip with mp3 files! It’s all in the format itself, which you seem to be denying.
Besides, if you wanted actual proof, I’d introduce you to a thing called "spectograms." They give real results to prove if the files are genuine or not. Here: Let me use an example from the same set you declare NOT to be "lossless:"
See? Nothing wrong here. What’s the issue then?
WARNING: if you are on a tiered/metered data plan or simply value your time, and are ONLY looking for a LOSSLESS rip where the original data has not been discarded or altered – do NOT download from any of the links before this post!!! Just wait 🙂
Just to laugh, you hear with which kind of material your lossless stuff?, just to know 😉
Btw, I have converted, tagged and checked the files everything is excellent so please stop your stupid drama and pass your way thanks.
God, I too like perfect rips, but the audacity and greedness of some is amazing. Like, why this etilism? you’re still getting this music, in lossless. I am waiting for Vegeta’s 100% rip, but I still wanna hear it the disc, so I grabbed the other rips meanwhile with no problem. Why this?
It’s not "poor quality work done incorrectly", because the people in this thread have never set out to do what you would call a "lossless rip"; they instead endeavored to share the music encapsulated via what you would call "lossless audio compression". In that regard I think that the processes carried out by Jackano are totally acceptable for what he was trying to achieve: i.e. the audio transcoded to a lossless format. Nothing "incorrect" about it.
Dude, lossless files are lossless files. No log or cue will ever prove so, since they’re technically merely extras. Hell, you can make a log+cue rip with mp3 files! It’s all in the format itself, which you seem to be denying.
Besides, if you wanted actual proof, I’d introduce you to a thing called "spectograms." They give real results to prove if the files are genuine or not. Here: Let me use an example from the same set you declare NOT to be "lossless:"
See? Nothing wrong here. What’s the issue then?
You seem to be completely misunderstanding. Log/cue is not required or even appropriate for a web release since they are purchased, not ripped. If you’re going to be illegally downloading one, then risk management skills need apply. Either you download it yourself, ask to see receipts from the original purchaser, or you operate based on trust/reputation.
Spectrograms do not prove anything other than the fact that the data was not passed through a lossy encoded at some point. Thy do not verify that the data is not erroneous, alterered, discarded, or corrupted. Spectrograms do not take the place of logs or cues. They all serve very different purposes.
If I take your file you kindly spectrogrammed and alter 1 sample at the 3 minute mark, your spectrogram would look the same, and it also still wouldn’t be lossy compressed. But is it lossless just because it is compressed with a lossless encoder? No. The original data has been altered or discarded.
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God, I too like perfect rips, but the audacity and greedness of some is amazing. Like, why this etilism? you’re still getting this music, in lossless. I am waiting for Vegeta’s 100% rip, but I still wanna hear it the disc, so I grabbed the other rips meanwhile with no problem. Why this?
It may not be a luxury everyone is afforded to download 3 different 16/44.1 rips of a 2 disc set, again, if they are on a tiered or metered internet connection that will be eaten through rapidly. I at least appreciate Jackano stating that his second upload was uncompressed and untagged!
WHAT original data? If it all works like it’s often done in what you think is the wrong way to go, then no actual data would be discarded. Provide some real hard evidence on why I should believe you, since evryone else is making more sense than you. Have you ever considered that maybe everything you thought wasn’t true?
Ah, so you’re assuming that most people actually care about having 100% of the CD information. My responses to that are "beggars can’t be choosers" and "caveat emptor". No one in this thread claimed that log and cue files were part of the shared files. And if one’s patience is so thin that he cannot be bothered to wait for a "proper" rip to materialize… not our problem. I still matintain that nothing has been done incorrectly or poorly thus far.
WHAT original data? If it all works like it’s often done in what you think is the wrong way to go, then no actual data would be discarded. Provide some real hard evidence on why I should believe you, since evryone else is making more sense than you. Have you ever considered that maybe everything you thought wasn’t true?
He’s referring to the extra information on a compact disc beyond only the raw audio data.
See, that shouldn’t matter when you’re actually listening to the music. Sure, it helps in verifying the exact information of the CD, but in a lossless rip, I care more for the "lossless" before I would the "rip." Really, at the end of the day, people are more just gonna care for the music, so why even bring it up?
I’m fairly certain that he should’ve just waited. As is, he just dug a hole that everyone is yelling at him for.
Lol what is there to believe? In my example I described taking your file and purposefully altering the sample values. Even if I did that for just one sample, and compressed it using FLAC, it would still appear the same on your spectrogram but it is not lossless. It’s common sense.
I didn’t set out to stir up drama here, only pointing out that the rip is incomplete and that people who have to be selective with their downloads should just wait. It’s the courteous thing to do. I don’t think any of us are beggars, or I’d hope not anyway. We are a collective of collectors with similar niche tastes simply sharing our files with others. This disc is not rare or out of print and I actually enjoy supporting the creators so I have the deluxe edition of this set ordered anyway. None of this is of any consequence to me. But like many of you, I was excited to listen to it as soon as possible, or maybe leave my copy sealed while someone shared a rip of theirs, etc. I will likely be unsealing it to watch the DVD anyway, so again, no big deal. I will continue sharing rips of my stuff here and elsewhere just the same, I am not petty about it, and you can be sure that when I rip something the proper procedures have been followed and I have tried to make things as headache free for all of you, be it by ensuring the tags are proper or that the highest compression settings have been used to minimize data footprint, etc. and I do not include fake or falsely generated logs or cues or suggest that they can/should be used in lieu of the real one. In fact, I will later share a disc rip with all of you, just as a thank you for engaging me in such stimulating discussion.
"The Legend of Zelda" is probably my most favorite video games music!
Most grateful! 😉
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You seem to be completely misunderstanding. Log/cue is not required or even appropriate for a web release since they are purchased, not ripped. If you’re going to be illegally downloading one, then risk management skills need apply. Either you download it yourself, ask to see receipts from the original purchaser, or you operate based on trust/reputation.
Spectrograms do not prove anything other than the fact that the data was not passed through a lossy encoded at some point. Thy do not verify that the data is not erroneous, alterered, discarded, or corrupted. Spectrograms do not take the place of logs or cues. They all serve very different purposes.
If I take your file you kindly spectrogrammed and alter 1 sample at the 3 minute mark, your spectrogram would look the same, and it also still wouldn’t be lossy compressed. But is it lossless just because it is compressed with a lossless encoder? No. The original data has been altered or discarded.
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It may not be a luxury everyone is afforded to download 3 different 16/44.1 rips of a 2 disc set, again, if they are on a tiered or metered internet connection that will be eaten through rapidly. I at least appreciate Jackano stating that his second upload was uncompressed and untagged!
hey, he ripped directly from his own CD to wav so it’s a lossless rip, cue / log does’t matter with lossless or not! I never keep or create log / cue when I rip because I don’t need.
Seriously I m starting to be angry with you and your stupid attitude, this guy share a hot stuff and the sound is perfect, not need to see the spectorgam I know what I hear.
So please stop to destroy this thread!
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hey, he ripped directly from his own CD to wav so it’s a lossless rip, cue / log does’t matter with lossless or not! I never keep or create log / cue when I rip because I don’t need.
Seriously I m starting to be angry with you and your stupid attitude, this guy share a hot stuff and the sound is perfect, not need to see the spectorgam I know what I hear.
So please stop to destroy this thread!
Absolutely agree!!! Some people are so ungrateful! It’s unbelievable…
Jackano didn’t have to share it, but he did. Very generous, by the way! ^^
Thanks again! 🙂
Oh, and thank you so very much for your amazing PM, Marc! 😀
So, what? Some people don’t mind. Some people just want the music.
I don’t collect MP3 anymore but I collect all in lossless perfect rip or not, otherwise I will have not more than 12’000 albums.
And to finish 100% is just psychologic the mostly people has poor material to hear in plus.
Report me if you’d like, I dont think I personally have been displaying any negative attitude. Merely engaging others in technical discussion. That PM was unnecessary. Speaking of attitudes, wasn’t it you who was publicly insulting others in the lossless thread just a couple of weeks ago and berating another member with personal insults and inflammatory remarks? Just want to make sure I’m remembering that correctly. Show me where I’ve done anything similar to that. You made that thread a hostile place and for a short time your multiple-page personal spat (more suitable for a PM) disrupted what was otherwise a spot very conducive to positive discussion.
@Ponyo – I at no point said the download was worthless and like I said, I appreciate the original uploader’s initiative. Does it meet my standards? No, because the original data has been altered or discarded. If it’s up to your standards or anyone else’s then that’s totally okay! I take no issue with that whatsoever. All I am warning is that the files that are conventionally expected of a lossless download are missing, and in the case that is important to someone else, out of consideration I would not want them to waste their time or bandwidth downloading what may not be suitable for them. It is up to anyone to decide for themselves if they would still like to download the rip, given the information they now know about it. Some people don’t mind, and some people just want a proper copy of the music. Some people are okay with mp3. Some people only do streaming now. We should respect everyone’s listening styles, there is room here for everyone.
Report me if you’d like, I dont think I personally have been displaying any negative attitude. Merely engaging others in technical discussion. That PM was unnecessary. Speaking of attitudes, wasn’t it you who was publicly insulting others in the lossless thread just a couple of weeks ago and berating another member with personal insults and inflammatory remarks? Just want to make sure I’m remembering that correctly. Show me where I’ve done anything similar to that. You made that thread a hostile place and for a short time your multiple-page personal spat (more suitable for a PM) disrupted what was otherwise a spot very conducive to positive discussion.
Reported of course.
You are destroying this thread by denigrating the work of Jackano just because we don’t agree with you and your problems.
There are several thread to speak about that but it’s not this one.
And even all are telling you to stop that you continue, it’s amazing…
Btw I have finished with you, you know what I think>>> ignore list 😉
Leon, I trust you to leave the man alone.
Actually, while you’re at it, I suppose you could potentially deal with one other man here? You know the one. 😉
I said from the go I was giving the basic rip for Zelda fans (like me) who can’t wait to listen to it – Just be patient for your true community standard lossless release, other people will eventually get it 🙂
See you soon in a Breath of the Wild OST thread 🙂
Btw, I listen with hi end audio system so I like quality but it’s not possible with the human ear to hear a difference with a perfect rip or not, if it’s lossless it’s lossless and yes I like music before masturbating with a spectogram and log file 😉 but with my material I can hear difference between MP3 and lossless but not with other lossless because it’s lossless the rest is not important.
I know what you’re getting at – technically, any rip which excludes even one byte that was present on the original CD constitutes a loss. I get that you are interested in a rip being as ruthlessly faithful as physically possible.
Nonetheless, there is some serious abuse of terminology going on here. In order for a rip to qualify as a lossless rip, it has to include the audio tracks encoded in a format which does not discard data and thus degrade sound quality. That’s it. Lossless audio is lossless audio. Everything else is a bonus.
As for your statement above, I don’t quite understand – you’re saying you require a LOG for verification, and in the same breath you’re saying a fake LOG is worthless because a LOG is not required to verify?
Most LOGs only have a Copy CRC checksum.
In order for you to know whether or not I have falsified a LOG, you would need to have a checksum from a known accurate rip. If you’ve got that, you don’t need my LOG file in the first place. If you haven’t got that, the accuracy of my LOG cannot be verified and it is therefore useless, correct?
The cue is more important and is certainly not redundant. Again, used for verifying rips.
In what way? CUEs were principally used to help ripped CDs get burned back to CDR with all the track markers in exactly the right place. What does this have to do with the audio quality?
And where else do you store the correct pre-gap lengths, subcode/toc flags, and isrc codes?
Pre-gap: Digital silence; completely irrelevant to the quality of the rip.
Subcode/TOC: Metadata; completely irrelevant to the quality of the rip.
ISRC: Metadata; completely irrelevant to the quality of the rip.
PE: Pre-emphassis died in the mid eighties. Yes, it’s still done very occasionally, but we’re talking about something that hasn’t been "commonplace" in CD manufacturing for thirty years. PE flags themselves are known to not always be 100% reliable. If a CD has the PE flag set, it will either have the appropriate emphassis applied on ripping (iTunes) or you should be told about this by whatever you’re using to RIP. (EAC and dBpoweramp definitely do this; perhaps someone else can chime in with information about the others?) Even bearing that in mind, it’s possible – that a rip could be made of a PE CD and there would be nothing to alert you of this. Point, despite its infinitesimal probability of actually occurring in the real world, graciously taken.
Surely you don’t just remember these for every disc/track in your collection? Surely you don’t listen to PE discs undecoded?
I have no PE CDs, so that’s a moot point for me – but I accept that could be an issue.
It is not a lossless rip if this data has been discarded. Remember, the term is Lossless, not losslittle, or losswhateveryoupersonallydeemunnecessary
Technically not incorrect, but again an abuse of terminology.
If data related directly to the quality of the audio is discarded, your rip is lossy.
If data related directly to the quality of the audio is NOT discagred, your rip is lossless.
The absence of extra fluffy information like metadata, tags, flags, pre-gap and so on, cannot be considered to violate the lossless status of a rip.
Of all the things to worry about, whether or not you are hearing precisely, down to the millisecond, the right amount of digital silence between tracks or at the end of a disc… is really not in the slightest bit relevant.
Oh, and one more thing…
Hunter, a spectrograph does not PROVE (as in, definitively 100%) anything at all. Unfortunately, not all forms of lossy encoding produce the same tell-tale patterns in the upper frequencies; the type that usually give the game away. It’s very good for detecting LAME-encoded MP3s but there are other encoders in town.
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Cue is used only if you want to burn a CD after the rip but who is still using CD anymore.
Log is useless too you can check or not with some tools.
Nope, those People can fuck right off.
Stupid streaming Services are threatening the Future of
physical and digital Music Releases, and lossless Audio Quality…
Stupid streaming Services are threatening the Future of
physical and digital Music Releases, and lossless Audio Quality…
Dude, you have to understand that unfortunately not every person buys CDs or digital music releases like we do. Hell, my family has to resort to bootlegs from El Salvador just because they find the options in current shops to be so much (as well as not fully understanding the modern age).
With music streaming services, they have now a legal way to get as much out of their music as they can without wasting too much money. There’s even manners in which you can approach how you listen to music (i.e. a chosen playlist like Pandora, or streaming whichever album you want with Spotify).
Granted, I’m very well aware of the restrictions imposed in these services (like the availability of certain tracks/albums or the streaming quality). However, as a means to getting music without pirating, it’s very ideal for the general public.
Have you also considered that maybe being on websites like these also threaten music purchases?
With music streaming services, they have now a legal way to get as much out of their music as they can without wasting too much money. There’s even manners in which you can approach how you listen to music (i.e. a chosen playlist like Pandora, or streaming whichever album you want with Spotify).
Granted, I’m very well aware of the restrictions imposed in these services (like the availability of certain tracks/albums or the streaming quality). However, as a means to getting music without pirating, it’s very ideal for the general public.
Have you also considered that maybe being on websites like these also threaten music purchases?
It might be beneficial for some, but i can not approve of it.
They’re aiming to phase out the owning Part of Music,
which makes them dictate all the Terms.
It hurts Indies and leads to the Death of Niche Music,
the only Thing i like to listen to. Nowadays Pop is repulsive
und makes me wanna stick Knitting Needles into my Eardrums.
If everything is monopolized and unified there is no Room
for the little Guy anymore. I don’t wanna listen to what the
mindless Drones (or Normies if you will) listen to.
I like to be an Individual, and Music is a big Part of what defines me.
I know it’s a "The Sky is falling down" Attitude, but it’s how i feel.
I don’t think that FFshrine and others threaten Music Sales that much,
Places like this and other Means of stealing Music have existed for two Centuries now.
Let’s just hope there’ll still be something to steal in two Centuries, besides Spotify Rips i mean.
And I agree with lorddsp and Amanochan. Jackano didn’t have to share his CD and he did. And what is he getting? a bunch of drama over a missing cue and log files u_u
I for one thank Jackano for sharing this album. and to eustassthekid for doing the flac conversion and tagging. Heck! eustassthekid even added the front album art to each file. He took time to do all this, and instead of giving him and Jackano a proper thanks, All they get is complains about if the flac is loseless or not.
I will say this. If you want it your way, buy the CD yourself and do your own rip your way. Plain and simple.
To the forum moderation. I’m sorry if I went overboard. I got quite surprised of seeing what happened here.
Password is "cactus"
I love you
Thank you.
The problem is, when you’re buying a record – or a CD, or a tape, or a physical anything – you’re also taking out an insurance policy; provided your house doesn’t burn down, you don’t get robbed, and you don’t damage the CD, that CD is *yours*. You can play it at home. You can pick it up and play it in your car. You can lend it to your sister. You can sell it on to somebody else. When you buy digital music, you are buying a concept rather than a physical item – it’s a little more tangible than streaming, which is the devil’s spawn, and the situation has got better since the days of iTunes in its infancy, when you paid money for poor quality audio that was DRM-restricted all the way to Hades and back, but it’s still an issue. Assuming I buy some digital music that’s not DRM protected, I can download it and back it up somewhere – but this places more responsibility on me. If my hard disc decides to die, I’ve lost everything. I could get in touch with the company that sold it to me – assuming they still exist, which is not by any means guaranteed, they could decide to let me download again – but what if they don’t? What if their rights to distribute that particular artist have expired? What if they’ve changed their business model and no longer offer that genre of music? What if they simply decide to be cocks and withhold the downloads for no reason except that they can?
Anyhow, that’s another argument.
Lossless music is important because, at its base, it provides you with identical sound quality to the original CD. Anything beyond that is not important in the great scheme of things. Sadly, the owners of the CDs aren’t always the most technical adept. I am always grateful for the ability to hear the music – and unless there is something obviously wrong with the rip (skips, jumps, artifacts, etc) I am not in a million years going to complain about the specifics of its presentation, nor am I going to try to score points over the ripper by pointing out all the elementary technical mistakes he made making the rip. It’s free!
If your friend drives you to the airport and doesn’t charge, you’ll probably complain if he drives like a lunatic and nearly kills you – but are you going to be so obnoxious as to complain about the dust on the dashboard or the crack in the front passenger side wheel rims?
Second, I could not give a fuck less about the rip being perfection. Seriously, even if this disc was good, the .cue is not god. The music is there and it is not something to bitch about. If you want perfect, get vinyl, and since you probably can’t for this album, get over it. Unless your human ears can audibly notice a difference or you can see something noticeably different in a spectrogram, I see no problem. Be grateful of what people upload. I have been on these forums for a long time, and it is always the same thing. I have seen people bitch about a rip not being genuine because the log’s time didn’t match even though so much work was done to get it to people fast, and the whole EAC OCD process WAS done correctly. A share is better than no share. This album isn’t good enough for a perfect rip anyway.
This music is great, but I have heard much of it before and have better recordings of said tracks. As for the rest, they are good to, but the main problem with all of this music is where and who they recorded. Picking Tokyo Phil is like hiring Sawano. It’s just not good, ever. New Japan Phil would have done well. It also does not help that they truncated the encores. Not worth my $40, as I don’t expect many listens.
On the positive note, they did make something at least, and I thank them for that. Still, I feel there are better recordings and arrangements of the series out there that haven’t seen a well-deserved release.
I must also sincerely thank all who uploaded this for their amazing work! I have no complaints about anyone’s rip! +Rep them!
To me the album itself is good, and I thank them for making it, but the performance is bad, and I have heard all of Yamashita’s and Seiter’s work before. I never thought an orchestra could poorly play the Gerudo Valley theme, but I was surprised. The trumpet in my left year is very irritating (in a few tracks for sure). There is also just bad mic placement as usual with these guys. It isn’t the worst thing ever, but it could have been so much better in so may ways.
I very much appreciate your opinions, and encourage further discussion!
Also, Tango, I find your post on digital and physical music to be just beautiful. I feel the same way regarding music and video games, too. With physical copies, I can ensure that I own what i own and take care of it, sell it, and it actually has value. With digital, it is stuck with me, in some instances cannot be copied, and will never accrue any value, and may be forever list after a period of time (which by then may no longer be available). Streaming is crap because the library doesn’t have a lot of what I want to hear, the lossy quality is crap, I have to be connected or pay for a listen, it is only through a proprietary service that could freely change their service to exclude music, and you’re just paying and not getting anything in return. Just like digital game rentals. Why would you want to borrow a game for a month, not beat it in time, and then have to go buy it anyway? With streaming music you might get music you really like to listen to but when you no longer have the service or want to pay them but want to hear he music again, you’d be buying it anyway. There is no convenience to me, and that is why I like to get physical copies
Thank you. I love to hear what people agree and disagree on.
With the greatest respect, I addressed exactly that point in my original post. Having a local copy of data you’ve downloaded is better than streaming, no question, but there are still a dozen scenarios (as discussed in the post) that could lead to you immediately losing the music you purchased.
About the Tokyo Phil… granted, they’re not quite the LSO, but they are a world-class professional symphony orchestra and have been internationally respected pretty much since their inception in 1911. They are made up of some of the finest instrumentalists in Japan. The odd recording quality has nothing to do with the orchestra. It is sadly the "done thing" nowadays when recording live concerts – to close-mike everything and create room ambience later in the studio. I suspect they do this for a variety of reasons, the number one reason probably being the ability to better separate the sound of the orchestra from a potentially noisy and disruptive audience. Proper microphone placement is an artform that takes time to set up, significant skill, and is in decline – particularly in Japan where engineers have never been as good as in most Western countries.
Back in the good old days, in a controlled studio environment, an engineer would have hours to set his microphones and check his levels. Now, time is money – and there’s not much of either – so engineers are throwing in as many microphones as they can because they know they can "create" the soundstage later on in their small mixing studio, when the expensive symphony orchestra have gone home – and if an audience member makes a loud noise or a player farts during in a quiet passage, you can just turn off their channel and save the recording, without buggering around.
This creates the issues you describe. When somebody competent records the Tokyo Philharmonic in a natural acoustic, they sound very good indeed. If you’re into classical music at all, check out some of their classical recordings – their Mahler is quite lovely and their "brothers" at the NHK Symphony are also well worth a look. Move outside of the realm of game and anime and you will discover just what they can do. 🙂 (And even in that arena, Hamauzu/Hirano -Dirge Of Cerberus, and three Hisaishi scores – A Tale Of Mari And Three Puppies, A Tale Of Ululu’s Wonderful Forest, and Ni No Kuni, are far better recorded and surely stand up with the very best domestically-recorded Japanese scores…)
DRM-free only of course, download it and back-up regulalry, don’t see it as a huge Problem.
I can understand if People prefer physical, but that’s not a Medium without Problems either,
CDs and DVDs have finite Lifespans…
CDs and DVDs have finite Lifespans…
People have finite lifespans as well! One amusing observation I’ve had is that a lot of people who are more anal about how their data is ripped, stored, bought, etc. aren’t remembering to die. Keeping safe what’s precious to you is one thing, and giving into a silly hoarder’s mentality is another. They might spend more time agonizing over checksums or whatever instead of bathing in the music. Who are you assembling this plethora of extra data for? Your children? They won’t give a shit unless you raised ’em right (;-)) and they care about this genre of music as well.
Thankfully it’s only a matter of time before the BotW soundtrack itself is released 😀
This is so true, and I am very excited! If there are songs not on the CD after all is said and done, I will see what I can do about ripping
Here, i took the existing cover and made it perfectly square (and i did not only extend the triangles to the top and bottom, i also moved the corner ornaments to their new optimal positions).
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(click for 1000px)
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Cue is used only if you want to burn a CD after the rip but who is still using CD anymore.
Log is useless too you can check or not with some tools.
Yes this. It must be a small minority who is actually taking the data they download and making their own physical CD for putting on the shelf complete with printing out the packaging and stuff. Besides that the cue has no use unless you are doing a range rip (ripping the whole CD into a single digital file), which is also out of favor.
Sorry, but that piqued my interest. Is there something wrong with range rips? I still do them today with the likes of EAC, mostly because I find them slightly "faster" to manage (both for playback/writing-to-CD ends), plus, I avoid occasional issues with special characters in tracknames. Though, I won’t deny that I kind of dislike having a folder full of files, so to speak, so there’s that in favour of range rips for me, too. My rip-logs from EAC don’t seem to indicate any problems with range rips, quality-wise, so I’m curious: they simply went "out of fashion" in the sharing scene, or there’s actually something wrong with them?
A range rip plus a .CUE enabled you to still see the track divisions but, because the rip itself was in one giant file, you would avoid the problem – and it was easier to burn a range rip back to CD if you wanted to do that. (Remember the ten levels of buggeration we had to go through to burn gapless audio tracks to a CD?)
Fast forward to 2017… most people aren’t burning anything to CD any more and every codec – even lossy ones – can do proper, bit-perfect gapless.
Of course, all else being equal, quality isn’t an issue – they will be just as good as a file rip – and of all the terrible things you can screw up when making a rip, this one is pretty far down the list – creating, at worst, an inconvenience.
I think I’m probably a bit more anal about range rips than they deserve – but I do not see a real reason for them to still be around. They were a splendid solution to a difficult problem, but that problem has been fully resolved now.
The special character issue is a very, very good point which I didn’t consider – I’ve had this too, although again it’s less of an issue these days it can still rear its head. (As can our old friend the maximum path length limit – you’re MUCH less likely to run into that with a range rip called something.flac than you are with a folder full of 1. Adolfus Bitzendorrferheifeitzenmarkenschlauffenschmidt Meisterabrechtensteinkammersaurkrautbratwurst – Symphonic Contemplations and Variations On An Old Folk Theme From The Ancient Village Of Greizenflaugenheisterwengenmayerwagen for Large Orchestra, harpsichord, contrabassoon, oboe d’amour, counter-tenor, comb-and-paper, tuning fork, mixed choir, and prepared piano in D-Flat-Minor, Opus 4556 – First movement – Allegretto – Adagio – Andante con moto – Prestissimo – Allegro con brio – Adagio – Cantabile – Finale: Chorale and Variations.flac"………………… 😉
There’s nothing wrong with range rips, awesome to know; at least I don’t have to worry about re-ripping. Even happier I dropped out of the Shrine sharing-wagon when I did, though, nowadays I would get someone to bitch at me for not providing a separated tracks rip, among other crap.
That bit about the maximum path length limit had me chuckle. :laugh: I resort to "track number track’s title", but I have folders within folders, so length may get to be an issue still (especially with the way I organize folders), damn Windows.
Sorry for the intrusion, got to resume work now (actual work, not moderation-related), stay safe folks.
Ultimately, I think you’ve got to just rip the way you want to, upload the way you want to, and your audience can either accept that or not download your stuff.
I’ve always been happy to hear comments and criticisms – but useful, genuine things – "Your rip SUCKS and you are GAY!" (yes, I’ve received that too) really isn’t helping anyone. I have always wanted to upload the best that I can, but I draw the line at trying to accommodate each and every last specific request.
It’s like being handed a gold brick for free and then complaining that it didn’t come in a velvet-lined carry case.
If you want ALAC, MP3, AIFF, WAV, or God-knows-what-else, download the FLAC and transcode it. If you don’t like PNG scans, convert them. If you don’t like the filenames, rename them. All this stuff can be done without affecting the underlying quality of the rip and it takes longer to complain about what I did or didn’t do than it does to just do it yourself. But people don’t like that. Life gets a whole lot easier when you can a) understand that, and b) not care. 😉
Not so hard to do at all… well maybe except the OOT medley, but could turn out pretty good, if one doesn’t mind some overlapping, mixing artifacts. I’ll see what I can do about this. 🙂
Of course the suite could’ve been done better from the get go to have more of a natural flow, but personally I don’t really mind it as a selection of short themes and motifs.
A big thumbs up to member Jackano for providing the lossless rip in WAV format. The edited cue is of course saved and uploaded in the same format.
Download here: https://mega.nz/#!vUxVQBwJ!AHq37FRk0I9HHCYEZBOjAfnI0vzJl5gbGf0phMGleyA
Thks for this version, someone can tell me if the limited version is also available please ?
Many thks.
Thks for this version, someone can tell me if the limited version is also available please ?
Many thks.
Limited edition contains only the DVD. Which Vegeta uploaded but it seems it’s not only only anymore: Thread 126974
or it’s only available for his subscribers (see his signature). But there are also other sites that uploaded the DVD (PM me).
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