Jessie is a horrible shitty mod that fails to maintain order in the forums, hell he cant even ban people, whats the point of modship then? who the hell elected this homosexual?

Closes threads without notifying anyone about it, he fails in life in general, what with being a furry gay freak and all, i mean. Anyway please remove him from mod status, he fails as a mod. Doesn't do shit and just lets it go on.

Even the gayniggers hate him.

:thumbsup:

if you have legitimate feedback we'll listen (and i'm sure jessie will too)

if you're just here to bitch and be a cunt for no reason we can always ban you

ps your hate should probably be directed at me not him. i make the rules, he just enforces them.

Okay well its not anything directed towards you.

Hahaha! Oh, OrangeC~

I thought you left with your buddies to your own "SUPER SECRET FANTASTICO FORUMS?"

Man, cool it, dude.

Im just expressing my feedback on a moderator here, if you can kindly point me to the "moderators complain section" point me, besides its too dark to see in this forum.

who the hell elected this homosexual?

Apparently it was you:

I nominate jessie.

http://forums.ffshrine.org/member.php?u=70703

From: nominate mods for the vgm section ~ (Thread 58143)

HAHAHA!

He was the first to post in that thread... I am dying here!!!

That was before i knew he was a cunt, but i meant who the fuck decided to make him a mod?

mind you i didn't know jessie well back then.

Why would you nominate somebody you don't know well?

WTF? Ok. I'm sure my word won't mean shit to you guys, what with my puny post count compared to your guys'. But I gotta defend my friend here.

This is just some fucking dumb shit...making a thread like this about one of the top VGM contributors here. OrangeC, by making this thread you've shown how immature you are. Jessie is a good dude, from my experiences. And I think you, and most other people, are taking the 'interwebs' just a little too damn serious. I don't know much about being a mod or running a forum, but I do know when someone is just being a dick and acting like a little cry baby bitch. Step outside of your room and get some fresh air once in a while. It'll do you good.

Sorry. I don't mean to rant, but this shit kinda pisses me off.

who the fuck decided to make him a mod?

Apparently it's her:

i make the rules, he just enforces them.

Also:

mind you i didn't know jessie well back then.

That's not an excuse for shooting yourself in the foot right there. ^_^

Why would you nominate somebody you don't know well?

Well before he was a mod he was actually ehlpful to me, now he just became a dick.


WTF? Ok. I'm sure my word won't mean shit to you guys, what with my puny post count compared to your guys'. But I gotta defend my friend here.

This is just some fucking dumb shit...making a thread like this about one of the top VGM contributors here. OrangeC, by making this thread you've shown how immature you are. Jessie is a good dude, from my experiences. And I think you, and most other people, are taking the 'interwebs' just a little too damn serious. I don't know much about being a mod or running a forum, but I do know when someone is just being a dick and acting like a little cry baby bitch. Step outside of your room and get some fresh air once in a while. It'll do you good.

Sorry. I don't mean to rant, but this shit kinda pisses me off.


Like i said mate, him+mod=No good.

Hey whats up, ShmupFighter! :D

You probably don't remember me. :(

Of course I remember you, man. How's it goin? Shoot me a PM.

Also:
hi shmupfighter and allan. :3

Hey Skunk! Hows it going? You've not been online much. :(

Oh I'm online almost daily, at least to update the FF6 rumble, I just don't post much in GD anymore.

I'm NEVER in here. But I had to post something when I saw this.

Looks like jessies too much of a pillock to respond here.

I'm NEVER in here. But I had to post something when I saw this.

that's your good right man, that's your good right.

i've got a few gamerpoints on xbox live, do you have any game to recommend? maybe a shmup (haha, i'm so witty. tho... i do mean it seriously, i really wanna play some good shmup arcade game).


Looks like jessies too much of a pillock to respond here.

nah, i probably wouldn't respond to it too. your "feedback" was absolutely no feedback at all. you were just tossing insults. though you really failed with your "who the hell elected him", hahaha.

Did he fuck you too? there was some scandal that you both fucked because he thought you were a chick or something then he realised you were a dude and you made him gay.

nah, we never fucked, though, even if we fucked once, hell if we even had like, cybertypesex stuff, it would already mean we had more fucking going on than you'll ever have in your life. :3

Atleast i don't do gaysex, let alone look like a criminal look alike from gta3.

let me put it this way, jessie represents all of whats wrong with this forum. You might not believe me now but ohh someday you will.

haha, well, gaysex is better than no sex. especially if you look like a criminal from gta3, that's actually kinda hot. :D

let me put it this way, you said you were going to leave this forum forever at least twice. yet you still come to this site, you still post, you still actively take part of it, and you still bitch about the decisions of the owner of this site or her staff.
yea, well, breaking news, man. it's her site. if you don't agree, gtfo. noone forces you to stay here for god's sake.

A shitty site at that, server error messages, shitty mods, leeches,twats,TRANNIES, Sex offenders,Furries,Gays yeah this forum will indeed last.

Jessie's an awesome staff member. Take your butthurt elsewhere~

^ This.


A shitty site at that, server error messages, shitty mods, leeches,twats,TRANNIES, Sex offenders,Furries,Gays yeah this forum will indeed last.

Well, seeing that it's been here for 10 years, I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon.

wtf is this?

If this is supposed to be 'feedback', it fails at it. Being insulting and abusive towards someone isn't 'feedback'. That's just being a jerk.

I may have disagreed with some decisions made by a moderator in the past, but I don't make a thread flaming them. If you have any disagreements etc, take it to PM and state your case to the moderator of the forum in question instead of doing this.

A shitty site at that, server error messages, shitty mods, leeches,twats,TRANNIES, Sex offenders,Furries,Gays yeah this forum will indeed last.

probably longer than any stuck-up asshole forum.hey, we got 10 years of site history and the variety. everyone's welcome, and the more the merrier. cause the more people the more the stuff that'll return.
it's called basic economics, mang. if you isolate yourself from everything, you're like north korea. do you wanna be like north korea? i wouldn't want to be like north korea, mang.

hey speaking of stuck-up asshole forums: how long did your super secret hideout last until it went down the gutter? a couple months, right?

Actually its still going great.

Also even in pm jessie is being a pussy. he is always depressed when he has no reason too.

^ Actually, in the last couple of weeks he does have a pretty good reason.

A shitty site at that, server error messages, shitty mods, leeches,twats,TRANNIES, Sex offenders,Furries,Gays yeah this forum will indeed last.

if you don't like trannies or gays, you won't like this site.

also: this site has lasted longer than almost any other forum out there. we're older than the vbulletin software itself if that's any indication.


Im just expressing my feedback on a moderator here, if you can kindly point me to the "moderators complain section" point me, besides its too dark to see in this forum.

there was zero legitimate feedback here. if you have legitimate feedback by all means go ahead.

legitimate feedback:

man i think there are too many leechers here is there anything that could be done about it?

i think arbitrary decision x by moderator y was incorrect for reason z

i think we need more mods to deal with the people posting in the wrong section

ie, not stuff like:

YOU ALL SUCK TRANNY COCK YOUR FORUM WILL DIE HAHAHA.

if you want to express your distaste in the hope it will influence change, by all means post here. if you want to go off about how horrible we are with no legitimate reasons included, piss off.


Okay well its not anything directed towards you.

he's not doing anything i haven't directed him to do. if he is i must have missed it so kindly point me in that direction !

Jessie is a horrible shitty mod that fails to maintain order in the forums, hell he cant even ban people, whats the point of modship then? who the hell elected this homosexual?

Closes threads without notifying anyone about it, he fails in life in general, what with being a furry gay freak and all, i mean. Anyway please remove him from mod status, he fails as a mod. Doesn't do shit and just lets it go on.

Even the gayniggers hate him.

Were you the one that flew over the cuckoo's nest?

also: this site has lasted longer than almost any other forum out there. we're older than the vbulletin software itself if that's any indication.

really? that's pretty cool




i think we need more mods to deal with the people posting in the wrong section
i agree with this. we need a new mod in gd. i volunteer.


YOU ALL SUCK TRANNY COCK YOUR FORUM WILL DIE HAHAHA.

i lol'd hard


also, i lub jessie <3333

Well this thread has no valid reason to exist, I see not a single viable complaint against Jessie, die in a fire with your last fifty generations orangeC.

thank you.

I also volunteer my services to the forum, together, for a better tomorrow!

the spoony-theme you chose for yourself, TM, gives you quite a few sympathy points from me.

Let me give you my reasons why jessie failed to be a mod. this will probably be my last post in this thread and ffs in general, besides the occasional thanks for links and whatnot.

He failed to notify me that my vgm legacy thread was closed by him, there was another member starting shit in there, he didn't post in the thread telling the member to knock it off. instead he locked my thread, i was planning on keeping it open for a bit, jessie then told me that he pm'ed and warned the member after the thread closure, little too late there bud.

Also there were similar times this has happened.

Jessie cant ban people, but he can sure as hell keep the download links clean a bit by warning other members and reporting them.

Also this is not a stab to sarah but for the love of god why cannot you implement some forum restrictions and or link hiders, that sort of stuff, you say: because then there won't be alot of members and the links will die, will did you ever think of that it will clean the forum more, useless threads won't be started and people will actually be more encouraged to post and keep the links alive, hey it will make it much more easier on jessie there, then he can really slack off on his mod duties eh?

anyway, im probably not going to bother coming back to this shithole of a place, because thats what it is a festering fuckpile of shit.

So until this place improves (which may be never) then goodbye, it been fun here sharing my rips and gained some friends who aren't total retards.

this thread is now about dancing imo

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b169/YenoHyena/Fun/2427ejq.gif

VGM Legacy Thread


Hello guys i am sorry to say that its time to close down shop here and pack up and move to another community, The vgm legacy HQ, Our new home, So this Home of vgm legacy on FFS will be closed. I will invite new members via pm to the new community seeing as it is private.

Reasons for this is because i find this forum Absolutely not appreciative of my rips, the amount of leeching is unbearable and i even got in it with some of the members who question my ways, i even got called nasty names by some.

Sure you say: orangec plz dont be affected by those" you know its very hard for a gameripper like me to do that because sometimes i work on one week for a gamerip and all i get is name calling and leeching, my thread goes to page 6 already which seems no one cares at all for this thread and for what i am doing

How ever i would like to thank the select few who managed to say thanks for all the rips i have uploaded. You know who you are and you might get a special spot in our new place.

I will leave this thread open to see the responses and how people feel and to see if any vgm legacy members want to get there last updates in. However if i see any negativity or requesting i will ask for it to be closed. Another thing that i have a problem is with the requesting, even though i have already put up a new rule about no requesting. Well as once a wiseman said, You cant fix stupid.


I really hope you guys understand, its been fun three years here at FFS, but now its time to move on to bigger and better things.

I also would like to thank jessie for all his help in finding me links to games and his support in this thread.

:)

bye

I'm just gonna start with a quote from the first page of your VGM Legacy thread.

You mentioned closing down shop and moving on quite a few times. You also said that if there was any negativity or requests you'd ask for the thread to be closed. There was nothing but negativity at the end and the thread had gone so far off topic that i felt it should be closed.

I actually warned you and the other member in question on msn, not by pm, so you were told that the thread would be closed if the arguing didn't stop. Both of you stopped, but other members kept it up by attacking the other person, so i felt the need to close the thread. You had set up your own forum too, so what difference did it make that the thread was closed?

Another funny thing to note here is no single mention of any of the other members of your group in your speech, however, you thank me for supporting you and helping you out. I'm such an awful person :)

Also, how can i keep links clean? is there some sort of special cleanser used to keep links sparkling?

You keep mentioning that i don't ban people, but i've already told you on many occasions that i'm not able to, i don't have the ability to do that. It's not my fault that you can't understand that.

You've yet to point out where i've failed as a mod and you've only made a fool of yourself by throwing insults around and showing what kind of person you really are.

Oh, and one final question. What does this pm mean? i couldn't understand any of it.


fucking dick i just called you out, now do me a favor and as a last resort go raid comcast with a gun assassinate the ceo, higher the speeds on my good friends house and go down in a police raid all while having a celery stick hanging from your asshole..naked.

I'm just gonna start with a quote from the first page of your VGM Legacy thread.

You mentioned closing down shop and moving on quite a few times. You also said that if there was any negativity or requests you'd ask for the thread to be closed. There was nothing but negativity at the end and the thread had gone so far off topic that i felt it should be closed.

I actually warned you and the other member in question on msn, not by pm, so you were told that the thread would be closed if the arguing didn't stop. Both of you stopped, but other members kept it up by attacking the other person, so i felt the need to close the thread. You had set up your own forum too, so what difference did it make that the thread was closed?

Another funny thing to note here is no single mention of any of the other members of your group in your speech, however, you thank me for supporting you and helping you out. I'm such an awful person :)

Also, how can i keep links clean? is there some sort of special cleanser used to keep links sparkling?

You keep mentioning that i don't ban people, but i've already told you on many occasions that i'm not able to, i don't have the ability to do that. It's not my fault that you can't understand that.

You've yet to point out where i've failed as a mod and you've only made a fool of yourself by throwing insults around and showing what kind of person you really are.

Oh, and one final question. What does this pm mean? i couldn't understand any of it.


Well since you posted, i might as well say this.

You did help me in the past, but damn ever since you became a mod you turned into a dick. closing my thread like that.

I already told you the reason you idiot.

I know that you cant ban people but that doesnt mean let shit get out of hand, start reportng the dicks.

Your turning to be quite like basil, getting attention for nothing.

You cant understand the pm because your a gay depressed moron who cant mod, face it you and all this forum are a bunch of fucking rejects and weirdos.

Let me give you my reasons why jessie failed to be a mod. this will probably be my last post in this thread and ffs in general, besides the occasional thanks for links and whatnot.

He failed to notify me that my vgm legacy thread was closed by him, there was another member starting shit in there, he didn't post in the thread telling the member to knock it off. instead he locked my thread, i was planning on keeping it open for a bit, jessie then told me that he pm'ed and warned the member after the thread closure, little too late there bud.

Also there were similar times this has happened.

Jessie cant ban people, but he can sure as hell keep the download links clean a bit by warning other members and reporting them.

Also this is not a stab to sarah but for the love of god why cannot you implement some forum restrictions and or link hiders, that sort of stuff, you say: because then there won't be alot of members and the links will die, will did you ever think of that it will clean the forum more, useless threads won't be started and people will actually be more encouraged to post and keep the links alive, hey it will make it much more easier on jessie there, then he can really slack off on his mod duties eh?

anyway, im probably not going to bother coming back to this shithole of a place, because thats what it is a festering fuckpile of shit.

So until this place improves (which may be never) then goodbye, it been fun here sharing my rips and gained some friends who aren't total retards.

this is much closer to the sort of feedback we can actually use. thank you for trying ~

jessie does do his best to keep bad shit out of the forum. that being said, it's very very heavily populated and we're going to add more mods to help out.

re: the vgm thread, there was little point in keeping it open after you closed it down. that and people were being dumb. i support his decision. i'm sure if you wanted it opened he'd have been willing to work with you.

what kind of forum restrictions do you want?

the links are hidden to everyone not registered. if people register but don't say anything, it's not hurting you. i know it sucks and it feels like they're ungrateful but that's how this sort of thing goes. no amount of forum software will change that. in addition, if it required you to post to download, you'd get people thanking you not because they want to thank you, but because they want to download things. imho, i'd prefer to know which thanks are sincere.

what useless threads do you have a problem with?

how else should we clean the forum?

Theres lots of ways, but im surprised not many people can see in this forum the amount of zero and 1 posters there are.

I just wanted to add this.

I luv you too Rob <3333 i luv you all ^o^

There's the obvious exception, though.

Theres lots of ways, but im surprised not many people can see in this forum the amount of zero and 1 posters there are.

give us examples of ways and we might implement them !

how do 1 and zero posters hurt you?

Theres lots of ways, but im surprised not many people can see in this forum the amount of zero and 1 posters there are.

Of course there are. This is unavoidable, and also doesn't cause any problems. If you are seriously that upset about people not registering to thank you for stuff then don't bother uploading.

Your violent, irrational homophobic rage is not helping you or anyone else, and the more you go on like this, the less seriously anyone is going to take you. Either do what you've claimed you're going to do multiple times and just leave, or adjust your attitude.

Let me give you my reasons why jessie failed to be a mod. this will probably be my last post in this thread and ffs in general, besides the occasional thanks for links and whatnot.


Oh god I'm wishing this was true.

Drama queens like these never truly leave - they just Baaaw loudly before eventually shutting up and stewing in their own rage until the next outburst, which entails them blaming the whole world for being idiots without realising nobody really cared about them anyway! :P

how else should we clean the forum?

It would be time consuming but you could join similar topics. i.e.

Thread 76311

Thread 76348

Both are Super Mario Galaxy 2 game rips, you could just merge the topics. I know that's not a huge example, but they were both on the 1st page and I don't really want to spend the time searching for "copy threads"

Or, you could just make general threads, say, a catch-all for mario games, and have the links all put into the 1st post or w/e.

People doing seperate rips/types (mp3/flac) might not want to share threads, especially if they're paired with a rip/upload that's superior (i.e. say, a 128kbit rip missing 3 tracks versus a 320kbit game rip not missing any, which sounds like it'll be more popular? Of course, a bad filehost could ruin it though....) since it'd make them feel like they pretty much wasted their time, but it would clean up the forums some.

Alternatively, this could help remove the problem of a 3 year old topic getting bumped cause the download link expired, if somebody else does a rip, they throw it into the same thread, it's almost as good as the original link being restored (unless of course it's missing tracks, a lower bit rate than the the "bumper" wanted, etc.)

that's actually a pretty good suggestion.

I like the idea of listing all the uploads in the OP together in theory (merging topics won't work for a couple reasons). But once you get, say, six uploads of a soundtrack with minor differences or none at all, I can foresee uploaders complaining that they're the sixth link down and not the first. Do you just put the links in chronological order? That could lead to problems, too.

I want to hear what other people have to say about this, though.

Thanks for the suggestion!

I actually prefer rip threads non-merged. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass to go through them, but it helps keep rippers individualized to their own thread.

I'd agree on keeping the threads separate. At very least it's one poster trying to maintain one thread, instead of several trying to maintain several parts of one thread. 1:1 seems the more logical way to me.

But if clutter does continue, ie locked threads or threads without posts from 2 years ago, then perhaps having a Trash subforum could help. Putting the old threads in there may reduce clutter in the active forums, but the threads would still be available for everyone to see. Well, now that I think about it, the clutter would only be reduced if the topics don't show up saying that they've been moved...

For that you would need every single person that uploads to cooperate, imho... It would just create a mess. Maybe the uploader doesn't want to share threads, but I guess it wouldn't hurt if both the uploaders agree to sharing one thread. On another hand it would make a mountain of work for Jessie/Admins if everybody jumps in and says they want this and that and all that bad/good jazz~

Is that right or am I not getting the gist of what you guys are saying?

@Chocolate Misu: Well, the uploaders probably wouldn't be maintaining the thread (in this hypothetical scenario). It'd be the moderator. The uploaders would add a post with their links, and the moderator would then add the new links to the first post of the thread with full credits to the uploader.

Again, this sounds good in theory, but it probably wouldn't work in practice. Once you start thinking about, "What if the uploaders want to include pictures with their links? Would the moderator be responsible for creating a visual aesthetic for the uploads? Or just link to the uploader's post? How would the uploader let everyone know when things have been updated?"--it becomes a headache.

Regardless of whether the OP looks like this...

SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2 RIPS

tehmiker (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=1481363&postcount=1) (LAME MP3 VBR V0, sendspace)

bugm3n0t (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=1482173&postcount=1) (320kbps, mp3, megaupload)


...or this...

SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2 RIPS


Here's my Super Mario Galaxy 2 music rip. Ripped directly from the streams on the game disc, converted to wav using the standard two loops + fadeout method, normalized then finally encoded to LAME MP3 VBR V0. I took the titles and general track order from the YouTube videos.

Throwback Galaxy is <3

Enjoy!

LINKS

Super Mario Galaxy 2 music rip (V3) by the_miker (http://www.sendspace.com/folder/t7an0l) (folder)

Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Disc 1+2).zip (http://www.sendspace.com/file/2ly50g) (SMG2 Streamed Music V3)

Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Disc 3).zip (http://www.sendspace.com/file/jxklht) (SMG1 Streamed Music V3)

Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Disc 4).zip (http://www.sendspace.com/file/e9i8wx) (SMG2 + SMG1 Multichannel Streamed Music V3)




Super Mario Galaxy 2 Original Soundtrack
Tracks: 81 (originally 93, 12 were SMG1 repeats)
Format: MP3
Bitrate: 320kbps

Ripped from disc, converted from AST to lossless WAV, converted to MP3.

Total size: 393 MB (100 MB links)


http://www.megaupload.com/?d=077VZ5X3
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LH3G0XRV
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HL03AUZ5
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KA1JUQ5D

Enjoy! =)



...you're adding a middleman into the process that probably shouldn't be there. Uploaders, understandably, will want control of their own posts.

So I think you're both probably right that the threads should remain separate.

As for the other suggestion, I don't know if a trash sub-forum for old threads would help. Old threads aren't on the first pages of the sub-forum and they show up last in searches, so they're not really the main cause for clutter. If they're bumped by someone who wants updated links, that's also not a problem because it prevents another thread from being created. Is that kinda what you were talking about?

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EDIT: I had the same interpretation as Asamiya and see the same potential problems.

@Chocolate Misu: Well, the uploaders probably wouldn't be maintaining the thread (in this hypothetical scenario). It'd be the moderator. The uploaders would add a post with their links, and the moderator would then add the new links to the first post of the thread with full credits to the uploader.


...you're adding a middleman into the process that probably shouldn't be there. Uploaders, understandably, will want control of their own posts.

That sounds like waaaaaaay too much work for the mods.




As for the other suggestion, I don't know if a trash sub-forum for old threads would help. Old threads aren't on the first pages of the sub-forum and they show up last in searches, so they're not really the main cause for clutter. If they're bumped by someone who wants updated links, that's also not a problem because it prevents another thread from being created. Is that kinda what you were talking about?


Well kinda, but it would kind of help for searches too. The Download Link forum alone is 409 pages, and when using the search function I usually get multiple hits for the same thread. (The search function really could use some tweaking too... ) With so many pages to look through and so many varying searches, having a slimmed down number of pages would help search efforts. At least that's my own opinion, but there may be better ways that I don't know about..

That sounds like waaaaaaay to much work for the mods.

Agreed. Emphatically.


Well kinda, but it would kind of help for searches too. The Download Link forum alone is 409 pages, and when using the search function I usually get multiple hits for the same thread. (The search function really could use some tweaking too... ) With so many pages to look through and so many varying searches, having a slimmed down number of pages would help search efforts. At least that's my own opinion, but there may be better ways that I don't know about..

From what I've heard, a lot of the problems with search are problems with vBulletin. I totally agree the search function is flawed, but that seems to be out of our control. Slimming down the number of pages might help, but it might not. I think a lot of people have resorted to using Google for searches, which is annoying but way more effective than what we can do in-forum. I'm in the same boat you are, though. There may be better ways I don't know about, too.

I honestly think older threads should just be left where they are. If somebody happens to bump it well just kindly tell them "thread is (this old)" and let it go, DL forums are the busiest and it'll just easily get to 3-4 page in no time? OP might see that his thread was posted on and might want to re-up, or somebody might have a mirror link? If the trash forums were made and somebody happened to bump one of those threads and OP decided to re-up… again it'll just create work for mod/admins to move it to the active forums, right?

Or instead of bumping, they could just make a new request in the request forum?

Well yeah, but not many people read the guidelines. It'll just be the same.

i think the size of the dl forums simply makes it too hard for any moderator to actually properly oversee or work a system out.

there's movie soundtracks, game soundtracks, anime soundtracks, japanese music, personal collections and mixed upload threads.

we first should actually split the whole dl section into several genre sections (games, movies and animu+j-stuff+otherstuff, imo). the people who are having "crossover" collections are the only ones who'd suffer from this. they'd have to maintain several threads. but i think that's just a minority anyway.

splitting the huge dl section into different sub-sections would bring a lot of order and with a few mods dedicated into their own sections, it would make it a lot easier to keep the dl section clean.

of course it would be a moloch of work to do to move the threads of the over 400 pages of dl threads into the right sections.
so for that, we could start an "archive", where threads that have been inactive since, say, 1 year or 6 months or so, are stored. if the thread creator wants them to be pulled out cause he wants to reupload a link or something, he can notice the mod of the specific section to move the thread into the active section, or simply start a new thread (probably better). that would also stop people from bumping threads that are from the stone age.

as for the "combining different rips into 1 thread"-thing, i am with the majority here and say that it's not a good idea.

I'm sorry I fail at this guys :sad: maybe I should just lurk more

Naw man, It's all good. If you have any more suggestions, we'd like to hear it, Go ahead. Though it was good in theory it had faults. All plans have its pros and cons.

*pats Despair on the back* It's alright :) Have a cookie.

@Despair: Are you kidding? Thanks for making a legitimate suggestion. Because you did, we were able to have this discussion, which may (hopefully) lead to a solution.

Nothing that's not more complicated. Without either merging topics or removing old ones, it's practically impossible to clean up. Using more subforums only makes the mess appear to go away. Best case scenario is you divide the forums up by category, make those "collection" threads split into "collection" threads that fit into the genres, and delete the topics that exceed a certain cutoff (say, 1.5 years or something) If another thread is needed, a request would then be appropriate. Because even if you simply split them, the mess will just pile up again, only worse now is that some subforums will get way more activity than others. But I supposed you could just add an extra mod to those forums specifically and just monitor them more carefully to compensate.

Though I was pretty sure I covered the cons myself, I guess I didn't quite hit the nail hard enough.

And wow I need to learn to condense my sentences.

Edit: Oh don't worry guys is was only half-hearted emo-ism. I'm used to it.
:autobots:

Edit 2: Better yet the Requests forum is much better for this "delete old topics" idea. Seriously.

Best case scenario is you divide the forums up by category, make those "collection" threads split into "collection" threads that fit into the genres, and delete the topics that exceed a certain cutoff (say, 1.5 years or something) If another thread is needed, a request would then be appropriate. Because even if you simply split them, the mess will just pile up again only worse now is that some subforums will get way more activity than others.

Why would it matter if some sub-forums get more activity than others? That seems inevitable, as does the eventual piling up of old threads again. I think the goal here is to de-clutter as much as possible, which splitting up the Downloads section (it seems to me) would do.

The biggest question mark as I see it are the mixed threads, like...
Thread 57893
Thread 40522
Thread 65177

We'd have to split them, as Captain Dolce said, or make a rule like, "Any thread with video game soundtracks goes in the VGM Downloads forum."

I think this could be a practical solution. I took a look at the first pages in Downloads, and out of them 34 are dedicated to video game soundtracks, 12 are dedicated to TV & Movie soundtracks, 8 are dedicated to anime, 3 are mixed, 1 deals with non-anime/vgm, and 1 is for strategy guides.

Even with the problem of finding a place for the (comparatively few) threads that don't fit the big categories, I think creating a VGM forum, TV & Movie music forum, Anime forum, and Other forum would help immensely. Granted, my sample was small. But if you move the 25 non-vgm threads mentioned above to new forums, you're cutting down the size of Downloads by 42%. If that number is anywhere near accurate, that'd be worth doing.

there's a few things that while not bearing the name "video game music" etc. fit perfectly fine into the category if you look at it with a second glance.

the strategy guide thread you named belongs into the video game music section because it basically just is additional "fluff" to people collecting the music - it offers the fitting artworks to it.
if in doubt tho, the "other" section will do.

@Despair:
you basically just repeated what i suggested, lol. =P
less activity in the different sub-sections doesn't need to be specifically avoided. cleaner forums where you find stuff more easily will cause more people to offer their uploads and this will in return draw more people in to register here, and those will in return offer their uploads, etc.
however, the dl section WILL be neater if you split them. of course each subsection will still be cluttered, but that's what you have to take into account since this board is huge in the first place. the splitting at least won't make people confused, finding things more easily and movie soundtracks getting drowned in game soundtracks, etc.

for instance, today i searched for "dune" in the dl section, and i got threads for the movie, the games, a dune-inspired fan-composition and a handful of threads using the word randomly in there.
if you were looking only for the movie, you'd have a lot of other clutter around it, that you wouldn't actually want. if you just would've been able to select "movie soundtracks", it would've been far easier to find the movie soundtrack.
(of course, this example is not that confusing in reality because there were little threads about dune in the first place, and the movie one was specifically titled so, but i think you know what i mean with that)

to make you understand how this is supposed to work, a small example:
think of a shelf where you keep your books, video games and movies all together. currently, there's one big shelf and on that you just have a pile of video games, and somewhere in between, you have the books and the movies.
in order to at least bring SOME order into it, you install 2 other shelves. you got the games piled up on one shelf, the books on the second and the movies on the third.
so while you still have the things piled up on the shelf and you have to search for 'em, you will find them easier, since you know "i'm looking for a book!" or "i'm looking for a game!" and are able to turn to the shelf holding whatever you look for.

Sure. It probably wasn't the best example. But the principle is that we can pretty easily divvy up the vast majority of the threads in Downloads into a few categories.

I'd add to what Dolce said that you don't lose anything by creating more sub-forums. If (for whatever reason) you wanted to find everything related to Dune all at once, you could still search the entire forums for it.

Here's a question, though, just for discussion. What would be the downside of splitting up Downloads, except that it'd be a big project?

Too many sub-forums� People will complain.

Asian Music
Movie Soundtracks
Anime Stuff
Video Games
Etc.

This goes to the people that have random stuff in their threads.
DL people will probably not like the whole� Go to another sub-forum to get the rest of what you are looking for. I am patient enough to do that, but I am pretty sure there are people that wont stand the new system� because there will always be "that guy" that doesn't like change. People through fits when shrine is down� and if that project were to go through shutting down DL section to organize won't sit well with the uppers that have their random stuff. Some of these guys might just get discouraged and just leave. Sure it would look neater but shrine has a couple of years under it's belt. Doing this might just be too big� not impossible but too big of a project. I don't know maybe an admin would have wise words� I am just rambling on. This post probably doesn't make sense. :/

EDIT: Also with that you might just see even more multiples of the same rip go up... You can't really tell them to merge if they don't want to?

Well, we could always combine some of the new categories (ala "Anime and Asian music") to keep each sub-forum well-populated.

I agree that any time you change something significant like this, people are going to bitch until they get used to it. I'm not sure that should be a deterrent, though.

But I guess this raises the question: How frustrated are people with the current situation anyway? If the majority of users don't have a problem with the way it's currently set up, then there's no point in making such a big effort to improve things. I agree that there'd be a considerable "growing pains" period where people continued to post things in the old places--either out of ignorance or because they wanted to rebel. That would put more of a burden on the moderators to police the new set-up until people start changing their habits.

Another question: Would we have to shut down the Downloads section? Couldn't threads be moved while the Shrine is up?

yea, the new sections can be created while the shrine is still up, and threads can be moved too. it's not that we gonna have to shut the forums down while doing this.

also, whatever you are going to change, there ALWAYS will be people who'll bitch about it. however, the current system simply is too BIG for any moderator to handle. there's about 10-20 new threads each day and this is just too much to oversee properly. so it would not only take off a LOT of weight from the current dl moderators, it would also help them keeping a good eye on their forums and work way more efficient.
i think the only people who'd be opposed to a split are the people who'll bitch anyway. though, if you really wanna be sure, make an announcement or sticky in the dl section with a poll asking if people would like the split.
as for categories, imo this would be the best solution:
Video Game Music
Anime & Asian Music
TV & Movie Music
Other Downloads

I am pretty sure things will slow down if done when shrine is up... Moving threads while refreshing and coming back to 12 newly bumped threads?

Stuff can be done when the shrine is up, absolutely. Probably the best way to do something like this would just pick a less active time of the day.

The biggest question mark as I see it are the mixed threads, like...
Thread 57893
Thread 40522
Thread 65177



I was thinking about this earlier today....

I think instead of splitting these into any category they should go in the main area . Like how right now how the DL forum is a subforum under the Anime and Video Game Music area. I guess I should write out what I'm saying. I don't think what I just wrote makes sense...


Basically just pull the DL subforum out, do away with the Anime & Video Game Music subforum, and make a new board on the front page for it... That way nothing will really have to change for the categories of General Media itself.
-----------------------------------------------------------
MAIN FORUM-

Download Links - This should be a main forum which the misc. stuff like up there ^ would go. Basically it's the other of the group. Within this area would be the box at the top with the links to the other boards (like how it looks in the Anime and Video Game Music area), or have it look like it's own forum board on the main page with the subforum links looking similar to what it does now (but with out the subforums in them)

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Subforum

Video Game Music
Anime & Asian Music
TV & Movie Music

^ I like Captain Dolce's grouping. It makes sense.




So in essence, pull out the DL board, make it a stand alone forum, and organize it like so.

Download Links - misc links board -
..................*sticky
......................music that may NOT be posted for legal reasons
......................download links forum guidelines
......................suggested uploading sites & related discussion/DO NOT USE Megaupload to upload albums (list of alternatives)
......................Ripping CDs and Encoding With Lossless - How To
......................problems with gh? report them here
......................Notice: read this before making threads
......................Requests/+request guidelines
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
...........Video Game Music - vgm music + related items
..................*sticky
......................Notice: read this before making threads
......................VGM links
......................Looking for video game music recommendations?
......................Avoid Bootleg CD's! - List of legit sellers of Anime & VGM CD's
......................music that may NOT be posted for legal reasons
......................Requests/+request guidelines
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
...........Anime & Asian Music - both together since they usually intermingle anyway
..................*sticky
......................Notice: read this before making threads
......................Avoid Bootleg CD's! - List of legit sellers of Anime & VGM CD's
......................music that may NOT be posted for legal reasons
......................Requests/+request guidelines
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
...........TV & Movie Music - same as above*
..................*sticky
......................Notice: read this before making threads
......................music that may NOT be posted for legal reasons
......................Requests/+request guidelines
--------------------------------------------------------------------------




Then with that, the Anime & Video Game Music subforum itself can be taken down and worked to be the DL forum with the same amount of space. So then everything under FFSForums link would look like this...

Miscellaneous
General Media
Download Links
Artsy Stuff
Final Fantasy
Gaming
Staff




And keeping a request thread in itself respective area may lead to more requests being seen/filled in a better time frame.




I dunno, that's basically just a rough draft in my head.... man, that took awhile to type :p

I say they should just put abbreviations on the thread title.

Anime & Asian = [AnAs]
Video Game = [ViGa]
TV & Movie Music =[TvMo]
Other Downloads = [EtcD]

It'll look neater in my opinion, and might possibly work for searching purposes.
but,
We will still hit that one wall where it creates massive work for admins/mods to go around changing thread titles. Maybe start that for the time being, while a better solution comes along.

that's why i said that the threads that haven't been active for a certain period of time should be put into an "archive" of sorts, additionally to the new subsections.

that's why i said that the threads that haven't been active for a certain period of time should be put into an "archive" of sorts, additionally to the new subsections.

I still don't unerstand why one would want to keep useless dead topics floating around anyway, but that's not really my decision to make.

Perhaps moving those topics into the proper subforums will cause them to be revived with links?

Another question is what to do with the requests forum. It's essientally in the same boat, except there's far more repeated requests than in the download links, and there's not much point in breaking them up by subforum anyway.

I have a feeling there will be question about which subforum certain soundtracks fit, crossovers used in both a game/tv/movie series, or maybe some other media we haven't covered. I can't really think of an example though.....Anyway, the "Other" category should probably have a list or general guideline for what constitutes as "Other."

As for moving the threads, start with the old ones first (possibly revives them, also places them in the back when it's all said and done) since it's much simpler to move threads at the end of the forum where nobody is even looking, with topics that wont be bumped. This could also help people gradually get used to the idea of seperate subforums without the topics they're using being changed right away. I guess what I mean to say is that they'll keep the idea in mind that "Oh hey, new subforums, guess the XX topic I'm posting in/following will be moved there in time" so it's not a "WTF where'd it go?!" situation. I mean, eventually you'll get down to like the 10 "newest" pages of threads, at which point people should be used to the new layout and are just waiting for the thread to jump.

I still don't unerstand why one would want to keep useless dead topics floating around anyway, but that's not really my decision to make.

Mostly for Posterity and re-reading, I believe - a lot of Forums keep threads that deserve special archiving for being so mindblowingly awesome or that have sentimental value to the community in general enough to warrent keeping around locked and in a state of preservation for as long as they're around.

archive would be good because: people can find if there's stuff that has been ripped/uploaded already so they can request a reupload in a new thread. perhaps the links even are still alive, so it makes sense to keep 'em around.
asking the moderators however to check every single thread in the over 400 pages big dl section, and try to find out WHAT are games, movies, etc., is too much i think, hence we should set a specific time where the threads simply can be archived.

request forum can be kept like it is, but maybe some sort of "tag"-system would be good, similar to what Asamiya is suggesting.

as for the "crossover"-stuff, i.e. stuff that has a game and a movie to it, etc., that's the sacrifice we have to make for new sub-sections. no biggie imo, though. it's not that hard to cross-link threads.

i made a thread in the dl section about it to ask the uploaders and visitors for their input.

Thread 76384

we possibly also should swap our discussion to there, since this thread has actually been derailed from its original purpose lol. :D

stronger moderation would prevent trolls and idiots derailing threads with general rudeness and behaviour. some folk treat uploaders like a service when it is infact a favour.

stronger moderation would prevent trolls and idiots derailing threads with general rudeness and behaviour. some folk treat uploaders like a service when it is infact a favour.

Mods derail threads too�threads made my idiot trolls who come here solely to derail the forum itself.

Mods derail threads too�threads made my idiot trolls who come here solely to derail the forum itself.

Shitty mods that is.

Shitty Trolls that is.


See, anyone can play the blame game, y'know...! :3

Shitty mods that is.

agreed. i've sent a report concerning a dick and his derailment in my thread. i'll see if moderators actually do anything about it.



Mods derail threads too–threads made my idiot trolls who come here solely to derail the forum itself.

a good mod would warn / ban the idiot and either remove the diruptive posts or close the thread.

Well atleast we're back on the original topic

agreed. i've sent a report concerning a dick and his derailment in my thread. i'll see if moderators actually do anything about it.
The messages you reported are not spam, nor do they derail your thread, it's just someone's opinion. You can't ban people or delete posts that don't stay completely focused on the music.

Also, it's obvious that people are going to mention what they thought of the ending when listening to the ending music.

Shitty mods that is.

A mod is only as shitty as those he or she polices. Give that one some thought, bud.

A mod is only as shitty as those he or she polices. Give that one some thought, bud.

I really don't think this makes any sense.

I really don't think this makes any sense.

Life makes no sense, my brothah.

I'M SO CONFUSED

Well maybe that will work for us and it will easy to find stuff

Your turning to be quite like basil, getting attention for nothing.

You just had to bring me up in this discussion, eh?

Okay, look... yes, I'm Basil at Gamingforce. I don't want to bring up what happened between us over there a long time ago because frankly, it's the past and it's not worth revisiting and it would be a waste of time.

But I can tell you that I finally gave up and left that place back in early April this year. Honestly - Gamingforce used to be great, back in 2005 and 2006 when the My Stuff area was still thriving with tons of activity and posting - but ever since the major crash in early '06 (and subsequent crashes occurring since then), pretty much everyone in My Stuff started leaving, and that, combined with the general attitude of the central 'community' there, rolling around in their own feces with the same old and tired drama and the useless bitchfests... the place has turned into complete shit. And while I didn't really want to blend in with those guys, I somehow ended up becoming a moderator, so I was somewhat forced to do so in order to keep My Stuff fair and clean, according to their standards.

I never really realized it until late last year - I just started becoming sick of the general atmosphere of the place - I got involved in some journal discussion that I really shouldn't have, and then some of the members there started harassing me for their own amusement when I called them out on their childish behavior, so I finally threw in the towel in early April. And don't even get me started on their IRC chatroom (#gfchat)... I certainly don't need to step into a sewer to know that it stinks, and that's putting it very mildly.

I really don't need that kind of negativity when I'm browsing or posting on a message board (I realize this is the internet, but come on... can't a guy find at least ONE place online where people aren't flinging mud at each other 24/7?), and I didn't want to inflict that negativity on others anymore, with the way that I was moderating the music sharing forums there... so I just called it quits. I checked back there just now, and believe me, nothing has changed. Nothing. I PMed one of the admins there to remove me from staff when I left, and apparently I'm still a moderator there... whatever, I'm done with Gamingforce.

I suppose my point in writing all of that is - I've changed my ways, and honestly, I don't enjoy being an asshole and having to deal with anybody there. Hopefully the two of us can get on good terms. Just about everything that anyone on Gamingforce posts is done so in a vacuum and it leaves no air for those of us who breathe.


As for this current discussion going on in this thread here, well... I don't visit or log in often enough to warrant providing feedback of my own, and the way OrangeC is talking about others I don't think I'd want to touch this topic with a ten-foot pole.

edit: Nevermind this post.

You just had to bring me up in this discussion, eh?

Okay, look... yes, I'm Basil at Gamingforce. I don't want to bring up what happened between us over there a long time ago because frankly, it's the past and it's not worth revisiting and it would be a waste of time.

But I can tell you that I finally gave up and left that place back in early April this year. Honestly - Gamingforce used to be great, back in 2005 and 2006 when the My Stuff area was still thriving with tons of activity and posting - but ever since the major crash in early '06 (and subsequent crashes occurring since then), pretty much everyone in My Stuff started leaving, and that, combined with the general attitude of the central 'community' there, rolling around in their own feces with the same old and tired drama and the useless bitchfests... the place has turned into complete shit. And while I didn't really want to blend in with those guys, I somehow ended up becoming a moderator, so I was somewhat forced to do so in order to keep My Stuff fair and clean, according to their standards.

I never really realized it until late last year - I just started becoming sick of the general atmosphere of the place - I got involved in some journal discussion that I really shouldn't have, and then some of the members there started harassing me for their own amusement when I called them out on their childish behavior, so I finally threw in the towel in early April. And don't even get me started on their IRC chatroom (#gfchat)... I certainly don't need to step into a sewer to know that it stinks, and that's putting it very mildly.

I really don't need that kind of negativity when I'm browsing or posting on a message board (I realize this is the internet, but come on... can't a guy find at least ONE place online where people aren't flinging mud at each other 24/7?), and I didn't want to inflict that negativity on others anymore, with the way that I was moderating the music sharing forums there... so I just called it quits. I checked back there just now, and believe me, nothing has changed. Nothing. I PMed one of the admins there to remove me from staff when I left, and apparently I'm still a moderator there... whatever, I'm done with Gamingforce.

I suppose my point in writing all of that is - I've changed my ways, and honestly, I don't enjoy being an asshole and having to deal with anybody there. Hopefully the two of us can get on good terms. Just about everything that anyone on Gamingforce posts is done so in a vacuum and it leaves no air for those of us who breathe.


As for this current discussion going on in this thread here, well... I don't visit or log in often enough to warrant providing feedback of my own, and the way OrangeC is talking about others I don't think I'd want to touch this topic with a ten-foot pole.


Well basil me and jessie have already reconciled our differences and while i may not be the most liked member on gamingforce due to my past actions i will however reconcile with you too now that i read your reasons and viee about gamingforce. so let bygones be bygones. ;)

Hm, I'd prefer if we could move back to the main topic if you don't mind because I actually have a suggestion. Sorry for the long post but I want to explain the idea thoroughly. Which is:

Establish a user-driven function to "mark" threads. Unlike the rating function (which almost nobody uses ;) ), there are only very little marking functions like

mark as offline
If the main download link is offline/partly offline.

mark as incomplete
If there are missing tracks. Doesn't apply to custom soundtracks of course. Only to soundtracks that have missing tracks or game rips that lack certain music. For example if there's a thread that states something like "complete music rip" and all the stingers are missing.

mark as complete
If a downloader compares different threads regarding the same topic he/she can easily identify the complete upload, mark this as complete and the others as incomplete.

mark as errornous/faulty
If tracks are incomplete, have errors due to CD drive problems, encoding errors, archive errors (CRC) etc.

Once a thread is marked, the thread starter is notified automatically that his/her thread has been marked. A mod DOESN'T need to be informed, the status is automatically changed without approval. This is actually possible because any other user can set back the status.
The thread starter himself CAN NOT change the initial status of his own thread because it would be easy then to get to the top of searches by marking your own thread as complete. Of course he can post in his thread and ask people to mark his thread as complete for example but if any other user finds out that the upload is errornous/incomplete then he on the other hand WILL change the status. I think this could actually work because the downloader will be disappointed by the incomplete/errornous upload.
However, the thread starter has the possibility to put a veto to a marking:
If he/she thinks that the marking is illegitimate, he/she can put in a veto, which can only be resolved by a third user. In this particular case the thread appears in the forum and in searches as unmarked until the marking is resolved.
How does this clean the forum? Easy: if you show the marking inside the forum and make it possible to hide certain marked threads. Now if these options are also available inside the search function, it gets really neat because you can search for
"Super Mario Galaxy" + hide incomplete + hide errornous

I don't understand a lot about databases and forums but I think it's not a lot more complicated than the rating function only that the marking has to be set as a property. At least the initial rating function and status change (e.g. from offline to unmarked) should be quite easy to implement. Only slight problem could be in that veto function because you'll have to keep track of the status changes and users. But I think either way it would be senseful to keep a thread history that shows when a thread was marked, when a marking was resolved and so on.

Tell me what you think about this!

That seems like a pretty good idea.

I came across this thread and was intrigued. Very interesting how it began life as homophobic rant (you know what that really says about you, don't cha?) and then watched/read as it blossomed into a very thoughtful discussion on improving this forum.

So wow, kudos, and all that. You guys are some good people!