Yeah, I still think that FF6 is marginally better than FF9 tho. :-*

Nioce topic thar! Gonna post when I'm not so close to bedtime. :P

I hate to revive a dead topic, but:

Chrono Trigger
Chrono Cross
Final Fantasy 9 -> gnostic themes galore. FF8 and FFT are best FFs though.
Azure Dreams (is > u)
Star Ocean 2 - rough on a few edges, but pretty good overall.
Pokemon series (the main series, not the stupid spinoff garbage).
Xenogears
Planescape: Torment
Darklands on the PC. That game puts all of the Elder Scrolls games to shame. Too bad Microprose went bankrupt grr

Does Castlevania: Symphony of the Night count?

FF6 (South Figaro Terra/Locke/Edgar)

I thought you played the game before? Or is it your first time playing it?:)

FF8 and FFT are best FFs though.

Ouch, minus rep points. I was nodding in agreement until I read that.


Does Castlevania: Symphony of the Night count?

W00t! Strike all that minus rep points stuff. XD

You ever play SotN?

I thought you played the game before? Or is it your first time playing it?:)

First time since a few years. :P

Ok, I hate to ask this, but do online RPGs count? Cause if so I'd say Runescape is the best Rpg ever :). (i'm probaly gonna get killed for saying that but oh well)

Oh, and I nearly forgot, My favourite Rpg's (not online) are Legend of Zelda The Windwaker, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles and Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time. Yes, I'm a Nintendo Fan.

1., Use the edit button if you want to add to your previous post instead of making a new post.
2., Zelda is not an RPG series, it's an adventure series.

2., Zelda is not an RPG series, it's an adventure series.

I concur. Chrystal Chronicles hardly qualifies either.
Still good games though.

1., Use the edit button if you want to add to your previous post instead of making a new post.
2., Zelda is not an RPG series, it's an adventure series.

Ok will do, And i'll remember that for future reference... I guess I like mostly adventure games then.

KH AND KH2 4 me are th best

Can you tell us why you think they are the best?
Or why you consider them rpg's for that matter?

they're action rpg's because u level up, use magic, sumons, abilities, teamwork, drives, and all those rpg's stuff

for me their tha best because i like adventure/action/rpg kind of games, and the story captured my interest since the 1º minute

they're action rpg's because u level up, use magic, sumons, abilities, teamwork, drives, and all those rpg's stuff

Those are not features of RPGs.

tell me a rpg without leveling up, magic and abilities

if it exists, it must be pretty lame...

Read this. (Thread 29666)

It explains in great detail why games like Kingdom Hearts are actually adventure games and applying the RPG label to them is inaccurate and should be stopped.

well, then rpg's suck and my favs now are adventure/action games

well, then rpg's suck and my favs now are adventure/action games

ROFL

well, then rpg's suck and my favs now are adventure/action games

Which is such a broad term that it can be applied to just about anything released. Hooray for ambiguity!

I must admit I get confused as to what gets the Rpg label. But I do like most games whether they be action,rpg,adventure actually pretty much anything. there are some games that you should never play though and they are games based on movies. only one exception to this and thats the Lord of the rings, (at least i'm told that, I've never played it myself). Games based on movies/tv shows are usually pretty poor quality.

Oh and prak, what are features of an Rpg?

Did you even bother to click the link I posted? It goes to a thread that makes my views on the matter very clear.

Danixel, I'm going to assrape you with a dictionary till your posts are worthwhile reading.

And I have to agree with Prak here, there are some games out there that may not have the actual label of RPG. But they have far more role playing aspects then some other RPGs do have (KH is indeed more of a Adventure game) but I'd consider the Castlevania games actual role playing games.

Actually, a Castlevania title would best be classified as an action platformer. My entire point is that a level system and stats are not the defining characteristics of an RPG. An RPG is defined by the degree of control you have over your character's actions, objectives, and personality. If you don't have control over all three of those elements, it's not really a role-playing game.

u bet, lotr games are the best coming from movies ever made

Grandia and Chrono Cross

FF7 And Shadow Hearts Covenant

Guardian's Crusade For Ps1. Oh, and prak I'm sorry, i didnt see the link, I'll read it now. However I know this game is an rpg, because its got it on the box. lol and its a great game. Up there with my favourites.

However I know this game is an rpg, because its got it on the box.

And as I've been saying, that doesn't mean it's really an RPG because the companies that use that label are retarded and don't know what the term means.

And as I've been saying, that doesn't mean it's really an RPG because the companies that use that label are retarded and don't know what the term means.

Would you count Deus Ex as an RPG?

Odin:


An RPG is defined by the degree of control you have over your character's actions, objectives, and personality. If you don't have control over all three of those elements, it's not really a role-playing game.

Therefore, no.

Odin:



Therefore, no.

By your definition, RPGs have never existed, as objectives are always dictated by someone other than the player.

The best still has to be Zelda: The Ocarina of time

By your definition, RPGs have never existed, as objectives are always dictated by someone other than the player.

Not necessarily true, there's lots of discussion going on between player and DM befor a session starts, so there's lots of room to insert a player's objectives in the session agenda.

There are different types of objectives. Characters can easily have their own motives for wanting to reach a predefined objective. Personal objectives are far more important than the options presented by the overstory for purposes of role-playing.

Chrono Cross was one of the best aside from FF of course!

Don't you guys just love how the noobs completely ignore any discussion in a thread and just post stuff that ultimately makes them look pretty dumb?

Whats the best rpg you've played? Mine would have to be (No suprise) Final Fantasy 7 and 10


Don't you guys just love how the noobs completely ignore any discussion in a thread and just post stuff that ultimately makes them look pretty dumb?

Hmmm. Now considering that my post was directed toward the original intent of this thread, i don't see how I can look dumb for posting my Best RPG's.

And you can skip right over my post and continue your discussion.
Unless that is too hard for you :rolleyes:

Shut The Fuck Up Prak, now you are just looking for an argument.

...maybe because those aren't RPG's but adventure games with levelling up systems thrown in? :rolleyes:

Read the topic next time before posting, bint.

To you they aren't RPG's in FF and CC you play a role and go through a story line and so they can be seen as a RPG and so i can post that i think the are pretty good.

And honestly i don't believe i was talking to you.
:rolleyes:
Any way as i said for my answer to this thread.
I like FF and Chrono Cross.

Then by your definition, every game released is an RPG because the player plays the role of the protagonist and follows a storyline. :rolleyes:

The best ones I've played were Breath of Fire 3, Golden Sun, Tales of Phantasia (PSX), Star Ocean 2 (for all the stuff you could do in the game), and Grandia 2.

For each of those games I love the battle systems, characters, soundtracks, almost everything about each one of those games shines in some way.

For Final Fantasy, I'd say my favorites are V and VI.

Prak is completely right going by the strict deffnition of an RPG. Very few console games give players the opportunity to actually role play at all and the ones that do offer a very limited version of it where there may be several different paths to take but each one is still predetermined. MMO's are a lot better than console games as far as giving players the oportunity to role play (even if very few players in those games actually do).

All that being said though definitions tend to get skewed over time, and it seems the only thing needed to be termed RPG in the gaming industry today is some sort of stat/equipment upgrade. I mean how many people still think of a bundle of twigs when they hear the word faggot?

Hmmm. Now considering that my post was directed toward the original intent of this thread, i don't see how I can look dumb for posting my Best RPG's.

And you can skip right over my post and continue your discussion.
Unless that is too hard for you :rolleyes:

Shut The Fuck Up Prak, now you are just looking for an argument.
LOL, n00blet

Yeah, we all know Irvybabe Angel is an idiot and isn't even amusing with it, so it's kind of pointless to even pay attention to her.

True. No point conversing with someone with below mediocre replies/insults, unless it's for kicks.

I have MANY I still need to finish, but my favourites for now would have to be: Xenogears (BEST I've played), Chrono Trigger, and FFIX.
I will also put Valkyrie Profile (even though I haven't made much progress..yet)
Yeah.. all PS1 games (i have ps2) lol ... like I said I have loads to get on with..

My fave is chrono trigger

Chrono Trigger, FFVIII, FFX, FFVI, .hack, RO, and and um Grandia II.

So far, currently Final Fantasy XII.

But I also like Valkyrie Profile, Grandia, Shadow Hearts... etc..etc.

Final Fantasy VIII is my favorite so far. But once I get XII it'll probably be up there to. And I like a few mmorpgs like Guild Wars and FFXI.

My fave is chrono trigger


Don't you guys just love how the noobs completely ignore any discussion in a thread and just post stuff that ultimately makes them look pretty dumb?

chrono trigger happens to be mine. Ive never played a rpg as much as I played chrono trigger. Love that game!!!!

Don't you guys just love how the noobs completely ignore any discussion in a thread and just post stuff that ultimately makes them look pretty dumb?

Well, I like much rpgs as well, but I don't know which I like most. It would be easier to select specific categories such as:
-Best RPG in graphic
-Best RPG in gameplay, etc.

Think about it.

Seeing as Joan isn't here at the moment, I'll fill in for her:

Don't you guys just love how the noobs completely ignore any discussion in a thread and just post stuff that ultimately makes them look pretty dumb?

Skies of Arcadia. I love the characters, the environments, the ship battles, the discoveries, the dialogue, the soundtrack, the bounty fights... it's easily my favorite RPG.

Honorable mentions include Wild Arms 2 and Grandia II.

hmm tricky question it certainly is..
I've played tons of rpg throughout my life..

I really think i must list a few of my favourites.

Star Ocean: The Second Story
Tales pf Phantasia
Secret of mana
Chrono Trigger
Wild Arms
Final Fantasy II
Final Fantasy IX


If i must chose from one of these games i will go for Secret of Mana, just because it was the first snes rpg i owned, and it sure brought a lot of joyful hours in front of the tv. Then of course i luckily found out that there were 10 orbs for upgrading to each weapon kind. This was times before i had the opportunity to use internet, and nothing in the manual said anything about ten weapon upgrades.. If i recall it right it says in tha manual that you only can upgrade your weapons 9 times..
And i just love the music in secret of mana.

I change mine to FF XII

FFX-2
KHI+ II
.HACK//pt. 1-4

Xenogears was definately my favourite RPG.
I love all the FF series.
Others are Lunar:SSSC, Star Ocean:Second story and Legend of Dragoon.(Next to Beatrix of FF9 Rose from LoD was one of the coolest RPG characters I think).

Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy Tactics

As I continue to play Oblivion it becomes closer to the top of my list. Its a great game for whoever hasnt played it. Ive stopped playing as of late because of FF12 and Gears of war. Hopefully Ill get back into it this weekend as I hope to free up some play time.

I find Unknown Armies (http://www.unknown-armies.com/) to be pretty damn interesting. It's all the fun of an RPG system, but without the tedium of dice rolls and damage calculations.

Chronno Trigger.
Xenogears, the Evangelion of videogames.
FF series (but I prefer FF6)
Secret of Mana
Suikoden

D&D with the Dragonlance scenarios
P&P ftw!!!

I have to vote for Xenogears. Not Xenosaga.. XENOGEARS for the original PlayStation. Great game, great story, catchy battlesystem.

Xenogears was definately my favourite RPG.
I love all the FF series.
Others are Lunar:SSSC, Star Ocean:Second story and Legend of Dragoon.(Next to Beatrix of FF9 Rose from LoD was one of the coolest RPG characters I think).

RepPoints for Chrissss!

I don't know if someone else already mentioned it, or I did myself.

But Septerra Core is love.

As for strategy rpgs, I have to say FF tactics for ps1 and gba along with disgaea.

Now that I'm getting further into Oblivion for the 360 I'm really starting to like it.

Now that I'm getting further into Oblivion for the 360 I'm really starting to like it.

Its an excellent game. I hate the load times but its great.

Its an excellent game. I hate the load times but its great.

Oh my god I know, the load times can get annoying.

Oh my god I know, the load times can get annoying.

Oblivion + 1.5 gigs of ram + Athlon 64 3200+ o/c'd to 2.7 gHz + 2 crossfired ATI X1900 XTX cards = no load times...

i don't care if it costs more than a 360 to get these specs...it's worth it...plus...it looks better in the end, believe me

my favorite is kingdom hearts 1 and 2. great story and its like a final fantasy but not turn based, which makes it great cuz turn base can really get boring sometimes

Oblivion + 1.5 gigs of ram + Athlon 64 3200+ o/c'd to 2.7 gHz + 2 crossfired ATI X1900 XTX cards = no load times...

i don't care if it costs more than a 360 to get these specs...it's worth it...plus...it looks better in the end, believe me

I like the game but Im not going to pay that amount of money to upgrade my pc. That is why I never really got into pc gaming. Oblivion on the pc looks really great, just the load times become a pain in the ass.

I like the game but Im not going to pay that amount of money to upgrade my pc. That is why I never really got into pc gaming.

Holy freaking crap, we agree on something. Is one of us ill? XD

Holy freaking crap, we agree on something. Is one of us ill? XD


I was feeling a bit sick earlier lol.

Ys Book I and II for the Turbografx-16 / Duo. Best music tracks, awesome storyline even though the game is somewhat short. Good for it's time (1992ish area).

FFVI and FFVII- The story and the characters are just really good in both games. I won't go on because everyone's tired of hearing about them.

Chrono Trigger- Pretty much the same reason as the Final Fantasy games. Nostalgia's also a big thing here(same with FFVI); their poor graphics and rough(at times- certainly not my favorite) combat systems are endearing.

Ocarina of Time- The characters aren't that interesting. The story isn't any big deal. It's just a really fun game, to the extent that I'll put it on the list.

Diablo II- There are better games out there. I know this. There are no characters and the plot's no good. The gameplay is good, but it's just combat, and Ocarina of Time beats that out for its puzzles. I include it here based solely on replayability, which it has in spades- it took me a lot of years to get really tired of it.

Torment- Probably my favorite computer game ever made(including consoles). Christ, considering how much this game gets overlooked, it is amazing. The characters and storyline are at least as well developed as any Final Fantasy game or Chrono Trigger, but with a more engaging combat system that doesn't quite have the instant gratification of Diablo II but keeps the game moving along better than most turn-based games. It also has a lot of the same puzzle-style gameplay as Ocarina of Time, but with plot in mind.

Although I don't really see it as in keeping with the thread theme, I'll mention PnP RPGs that I've played.

D&D 1st-2nd Ed- First RPG I ever played, amazing game. I do not, however, acknowledge the existence of a 3rd Ed due to its incredible inferiority. This system is great for simple, gamist roleplaying and dungeon crawls.

Cyberpunk 2020- Not a very versatile system, but fun as hell. Cyberpunk is an awesome setting.

Seven Leagues- Essentially nobody has heard of this due to the small scale of it. Released locally by a friend, I in turn worked to modify it from a fairy tale system to one that would give the game master complete control and creative freedom. It's something that relies heavily on both a good game master and good, engaged players

Read my Sig, never better not in the past nor in the future.

haha @ the stupid fankid

LOL if thats sarcasm, for shame if you are serious.

Before I start reading through all 11+ pages, (first 3 were good enough for now), I'll just start listing mine.

Xenogears for PSOne kicked ass. Then there's also Secret of Mana for SNES. Ocarina of Time will always be dear to my heart. And my personal favorite FF6.

However I'm getting tired of hearing how great FFX was - OVER-RATED!

star ocean 2, grandia 2, ff 7, ff tactics, lunar 1 and 2, secret of mana secret of ever more, breath of fire 3, thousand arms it was different i liked the concept, skies of arcadia, grandia, mario superstar saga and way too many others to name.

all time favorite tie between star ocean 2 and ff tactics.

battle wise star ocean 2 story was great not to mention the 80 different possible endings, it also had one of the hardest last bosses i've fought to date, story wise my favorite is grandia 2 i just love the whole story and it has my favorite soundtrack battle song and over all song.

ff tactics music was superb. i wish they would do a 3d version update with more job classes etc. i'll shut up now i could post pages if wanted to about rpgs. but i know you people have better things to do that read through me spamming on about the how great so and so is. thats my picks anyways

I like the game but Im not going to pay that amount of money to upgrade my pc. That is why I never really got into pc gaming. Oblivion on the pc looks really great, just the load times become a pain in the ass.

lol
i think the terms cost-no-object apply to me and how i feel about my PC
even though i'm still in college...making almost $20 an hour is way too much...so i decided to do a complete overhaul on the system that built back in high school =P

lol
i think the terms cost-no-object apply to me and how i feel about my PC
even though i'm still in college...making almost $20 an hour is way too much...so i decided to do a complete overhaul on the system that built back in high school =P


I wish I had that luxury. Rent, bills, bills, and more bills, plus I just finished paying for a wedding so, you get the point lol.

Im still getting the wii this weekend :)

I wish I had that luxury. Rent, bills, bills, and more bills, plus I just finished paying for a wedding so, you get the point lol.

Im still getting the wii this weekend :)

lol
trade your Gamecube in for some cash, that's what i'm gonna do...though i'm not gonna get it for the launch titles...i like how it's the only fully backwards compatible system
as for the wedding...i think the average wedding costs around $19,000...ouch

don't forget to mention taxes...tax money that we don't see again since it goes to people who milk the welfare system (especially illegal immigrants)

i live in california...so i see that shit all the time and it pisses me off to no end knowing that i'm unwilliingly spending money on people who don't pay taxes...all i see is 40% of my paycheck going to an unworthy cause

Fan or not, I cant care less, I played most of the games listed by all and still FFVII known to be the best FF and RPG game.

haha @ the stupid fankid

lol ok im a FFVII fan , kid?? based on your attitude I might be in the age of your dad lol

So thats you in the avatar eh? nice nice boy now go back to sleep.

Someone with as retarded a signature as yours isn't in a position to be condescending. Try again when you're not busy looking like a ignorant child.

I'm calling Shenanigans on the fuckwit's claim on playing most of the listed games.

I'm calling Shenanigans on the fuckwit's claim on playing most of the listed games.

his lack of comment on games other than FFXII furthers the notion...
yes, vitorio...i took a look at your posts to see what you've had to say...
and it's not all that thrilling...Naruto and FFXII junk and this talk about FFVII

lol ok im a FFVII fan , kid?? based on your attitude I might be in the age of your dad lol

So thats you in the avatar eh? nice nice boy now go back to sleep.

Here's your word of the day! (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=asinine)

LMAO

LOL, CUNT

For me, it's a tossup between three SNES games.

Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Trigger, and Earthbound, each for the uniqueness they contributed to the RPG genre.

Forced to pick, I'd have to say Earthbound. It's just so silly and easy to replay over and over again =) the visuals are subpar, but the cartoonie graphics suit the characters as well as the story they play out. The music is simple, but cute in that it isn't annoyingly repetitive to the point where it makes you want to shoot your tv (battle music in ffgames anyone?) It's cute level more than makes up for any of its shortcomings.

If you guys dig the top 5 thread, you know my spill about Star Ocean the Second Story. As a roleplayer for some long years now, I have not found a game to match it's sheer depth, and I have played just about every RPG mentioned in the threads I've read so far...(yes, I'm an RPG nerd...hey, you need to be if it's to be your profession, right? O.o).

Star Ocean the Second Story wins hands down. I also reccommend and love Thousand Arms for its wit and hilarity, also for a nice easy battle system and lovable characters. Dark Chronicles for it's build your own town kind of thing and I LOVE and ADORE its soundtrack. Lunar is just well...phenomenal...the stories are deep and classic, will stick with you forever...the characters are unbelievably memorable as well. Dot Hack is probably one of the deepest RPGs I've played to date...as far as storyline goes, the dungeouns can get a bit repetitive though, but you barely notice when you're wanting so bad to know whats going on youd kill any monster a million times to figure out the mystery. Wild Arms are a classic...takes you into the wild west and charms you with nice battle sequences and tunes you can whistle to. DewPrism is nice and dark at some points, but the idea of playing two storylines and getting a bigger scope is fun,a nd the characters here make the meat of the game, they're so irisistable. Suikoden can be fun at times, but gets a little flat....I like the wide expanse of towns and places you can visit on some of th egames though. Zelda is duh...a classic, and who couldn't love Majula...okay so I'm weird like that. Ephemeral Phantasia is awesome if you can get past the first "mission"...its an awesome game but extreemely hard, thus it got bad ratings, but if you're really experienced its so much fun you'll play it for weeks....strumming on Patimo. Bumpy Trot is a new addition...combining freedom with a nice story...and you can play in a band, so it's very fresh (and you can be a badass too...so who wouldn't want to do that?). Rhapsody is a nice, charming tactics RPG with a fairy tale story and cute characters...I love the music to that game, actually.....

I think I should stop now....I'll be back with more later....I could go on FOREVER about RPGs, and probably write a novel for each one I own (and some I don't own but wish I did....<.<)

favorites - Breath of fire IV, Chrono Trigger, FF tactics, oblivion, FFVIII, Super mario RPG, and tales of phantasia.

FF IX was my above all favorite from the story, game play, side quests and characters to graphics and playtime.<br>But I also enjoyed Chrono Cross, Vagrant Story and Kingdom Hearts II very much.

Well. The best RPG I've ever played is FF8. Well it does not mean, that there's no better. Do you know what is pity? That the SqareSoft didn't released the other (newer one) FF episodes. I'm blue because of this. What can I do? Any idea? I would like to see all of 'em. Help me someone. Please, thanks. Hi-Cry

Ok I'm a very big fan of RPG's, always have been, and always plan to be.
First I'll tell all the RPG games I've played (and mostly own as well). So you have an idea what I am choosing out of.

Final Fantasy I & II: Dawn of Souls (GBA)
Final Fantasy Anthology (PS) (PAL version: IV, V)
Final Fantasy IV: Advance (GBA) <- Now Playing
Final Fantasy VI (PS)
Final Fantasy VII (PS)
Final Fantasy VIII (PS) <- First PS game I bought
Final Fantasy IX (PS)
Final Fantasy X (PS2) <- First PS2 game I bought
Final Fantasy X-2 (PS2)
DIRGE of CERBERUS -Final Fantasy VII- (PS2)
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (GC)
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (GBA) <- First GBA game I bought
Kingdom Hearts (PS2)
Kingdom Hearts II (PS2)
Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories (GBA)
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time (PS2)
Dragon Quest: The Journey of the Cursed King (PS2)
Musasi Samurai Legend (PS2)
Drakengard (PS2)
Drakengard 2 (PS2)
The Bouncer (PS2)
Unlimited Saga (PS2)
Parasite Eve II (PS)
Vagrant Story (PS)
Ehgreiz (PS)
Dark Cloud (PS2)
Dark Chronicle (Dark Cloud 2) (PS2)
Breath of Fire (GBA)
Breath of Fire II (GBA)
Breath of Fire III (PSP)
Breath of Fire IV (PS)
Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter (PS2)
Megaman X Command Mission (PS2)
Children of Mana (DS)

Out of the games the best RPG I've played is FINAL FANTASY IX, I've spend over 100 hours finishing everything, and I mean EVERYTHING. And the Story, Characters, Music, Gameplay, all played vitals roles in why I like it so.

If I had to choose a best only than Final Fantasy games, it would be out of;
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Dark Cloud Series
Kingdom Heart Series

But all in all, I think all my RPG games are excellent. I only wish I had more of them, but being Australian means I have to wait longer for some of the newer RPG's like Final Fantasy (III, XII), and then some RPG's we don't even get.

And I'm done.

Lunar Silver Star Story
Lunar Eternal Blue
Tales of Destiny
Xenogears
Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2
Final Fantasy XII

im more of an old school gamer so my pick is Secret of Mana

My all time favs:

Ys Book 1 and 2
Ys III
Dragonslayer
Dragon Warrior (NES)
Neutopia
Diablo
Baldur's Gate
Champions of Norrath
Untold Legends
Final Fantasy VII and IX
X-Men Legends 1 & 2
Marvel Ultimate Alliance

Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8
Rockman X Command Mission
Valkyrie Profile
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria

Chrono Trigger
FF7
FF9
FF12
FF6
FF Tactics
Super Mario Rpg
Oblivion

I recently bought Final Fantasy 12 and I have to honestly say that it is the best RGP I played.

I still have to buy FFXII (probably cuz it hasnt released in Europe yet :D) so I would have to pick FFVIII
Because its the first RPG I have ever played

Tales of Symphonia, Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, Pok�mon Red t/m Leaf Green.

Yes, I did not play a single FF game ^_~"
Though I saw my friend playing a FF game once, and I found it a cool game, but I do not own a PS(2/3) so I could not buy the game for my Gamecube.

But now on the NDS there is a FF coming out, I think I will buy that FF game if it gets good reviews and stuff ^^

I don't understand why people like FFX so much :S

My fav's are:

FFVII
FFVIII
FFIX
Morrowind & Oblivion
Pokemon

I don't understand why people like FFX so much :S

My fav's are:

FFVII
FFVIII
FFIX
Morrowind & Oblivion
Pokemon

I dont know why they like it so much either lol. It was good but over rated IMO.

It was visually stunning, ushered in talking FF's, and had a massive amount of power with ultimate character flexibilty, but it is overated.

It was visually stunning, ushered in talking FF's, and had a massive amount of power with ultimate character flexibilty, but it is overated.

The game is visually stunning. That cannot be denied. I really didnt like the battle system. I also didnt like how the summons were used. It was a good rpg, but far from the best IMO.

super mario rpg and VII are at the top of my list.

Although the Final Fantasy Series is amazing and probobly the most amazing games ever, there are other RPG's out there and they were great too.
My top 10 (Yes Most of them are Final Fantasy)
1-FFVIII
2-FFVII
3-FFXII
4-The Legend of Dragoon
5-Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
6-FFIII
7-Kingdom Hearts 2
8-FFIV
9-FFV
1-FFI

oh yea i forgot Pokemon. The first pokemon games up to Crystal were beautiful. Those were great RPG's

I'm not a big RPG buff, but there are a few that I got hooked on. The following are just fantastic games, in my opinion.

Skies of Arcadia
Vagrant Story
Suikoden II
Final Fantasy VII
Chrono Trigger

Suikoden II
Final Fantasy VI
Valkyrie Profile I
Wild Arms for PS1
KOTOR
Shadow Hearts I & II
Manga Carta Tears of Blood

I usually like good plot and Unique control set-ups so that is why I like some of the ones on the List. As for FFX I rather enjoyed the way they used Summons it made them Feel stronger then they normally would otherwise and it was a better set-up then FFXII had espically since you could make your most earliest Fayth powerful if you chose to do it.

The Final Fantasy series was amazing to me. The Final Fantasy series captured my heart for years of my childhood and formed loyaties within me so stong I thought my favoratism would forever be unbreakable. How could it not? The game series had grown as I had and I'd been an encaptured witness to each one. But at about 15 years old, the day came where my developed awareness of the world around me and all the important and prodominant issues concerning it would make room for a more worthy stimulant as far as gaming was concerned. Don't get me wrong, each installment of the Final Fantasy Series was unique and most posessed a special quality that I cherish and will forever love but Xenogears, (Gears, not Saga,)was personally a welcome and much needed new experience that would effect me in ways I never ever thought A VIDEO GAME was capable of. Every aspect of it tapped into the depth of my dormant psyche waking within it a more active cycle of thought. Perhaps more important than this, it delved suprisingly deep into the depths of my emotion. An area of myself not easily breached from such outside sources. The following insight, theory, and reasoning for why Xenogears is the single most ingenious game in my eyes is devided into topics. Story, Characters -Sub Category:Villians-, Music, and Battle System. Though much more can be touched upon, these topics reign the most recognized in my mind. So let's get started.

STORY
First and foremost is that of the story of Xenogears and any loyal fan will agree. Without ruining a single detail of it's mastery I will explain. Never before have I played a video game that touched upon so very many issues the real word we live in today faces. The difference in levels of society, A hierarchy of chosen few who choose to manipulate each of these societies through fear and deciept, how through such action confusion and betrayal is unavoidable, religeous conflict and dominance, the mess of politics, the labarynth of the human mind and how easily twisted it becomes as well as special pschological problems that can develope within it, and so much more. The pace was mostly smooth, each chapter blending into the next without the blink of an eye. Never again do I expect to be graced with a story so powerful and relevant within an RPG.

CHARACTERS
Without great characters, a promising story might as well be an empty shell with no substance to command attention and form it's entirety, and the characters of Xenogears are no exeption to this rule. They are the heart and soul of the story and stand as beacons of the genious of the game. They were all real on some level, posessing personal history and path incredibly shocking but also emotions that seem almost tangible they are so easy to relate to. The bond between each really brings to light the backbone of friendship and trust and how both of these can sometimes be compromised for the ideal of something greater. Empathy between player and characters is undeniable and I myself hope it to be fateful. The "villians" of Xenogears are indeed included in this description which deems them even more interesting in their entirety. Save for one "villian" that I know of, an in depth past accompanies each making thier downfall into corruption understandable and therefore questioning how evil they actually are. Though their acts are undeniably terrible, their motive and drive must be taken into account. Such quality makes for great characters. (Sephiroth for instance). I, for one, will not easily forget what each character had to offer and the ones that opened my eyes to things I had not thought about before will always have aplace in my heart.

MUSIC
Ah yes, Xenogears OST. Composed by Yasunori Mitsuda. Yes, the same who wrote for Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, and Xenosaga. Of course all of his works are amazing. I owe much of my sanity to this man and much of it is in debt to the XG OST. The story, characters, and music should all work hand in hand and this game is a prime example of the fact for as stunning, epic, and emotionally stimulating as the rest of the game is, the scores match it forming to it appropriately. Yasunori Mitsuda has never let me down for even without playing the games first one can simply derive the emotional context of it through his masterwork. Xenogears was the best example of this though I might be being slightly biased. ;) Simply breathtaking.

BATTLE SYSTEM
For the day and age the game was created, the battle system was quite unique. Not only being able to engage in combat on foot, but in large mechanically manipulated machines called "Gears"? Awesome! The combo idea though slightly repetative by today's standards was exiting back in the day! Up until that point battle within an RPG had been slightly generic give or take a few exeptions here and there but Xenogears nailed it once again with battle system. Some might compare it so Evangelion but don't ask me to specify and comment. I never watched Evangelion so I have no say in the matter.

It's crawled a bit past my bedtime now so I will move to conclude this everlasting post of mine but I must add the following. Xenogears was brilliant. Each aspect is worthy of some sort of praise in my opinion though I realize that everyone has a right to their own even if by chance, it differs from my own. I just speak from a personal standpoint when I state that the game changed so much inside of me that words may not even be able to express. Please forgive the passion that spurred such a burst of lengthiness but the topic was such a temptation I could not help myself. :P

Alright, time to go catch some Zzz's!

Fallout series and Knights Of The Old Republic (first one)

My top five RPGs:

5) FFIX
4) FFX
3) Kingdomhearts 1
2) FFVII
1) Kingdom hearts 2

I would have to say FFV,FFVI,FFVII, star ocean second story, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Super Ninja Boy (probably the only one who has played that here) all the kingdom Hearts, and Tales of Phantsia (however you spell that) they each got there own unquie parts to them so they are all great to me I have played more rpgs but these are the best ones

My order:

1. Final Fantasy VI(By far in first!)
2. Chrono Trigger(By far in second!)
3. The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past(I might be overrating this now)
4. Final Fantasy VII
5. Final Fantasy X
6. Final Fantasy Tactics

Those are the only rpgs for me that are perfect or near perfect. None of those bottom four compare to Chrono Trigger for me. And for me, Chrono Trigger doesn't compare to Final Fantasy VI. Final Fantasy VI is just so far out there storywise and overall that I don't think I will EVER in my life play another game as great as Final Fantasy VI was.

1 zelda minish cap
2 ff3
3 w of warcraft

Kingdom Hearts 2 is the greatest RPG I have ever played.

FFX is the greatest FF game I have played.

I don't understand why people like FFX so much :S

My fav's are:

FFVII
FFVIII
FFIX
Morrowind & Oblivion
Pokemon

Bahahahahaha, you say you don't understand why people like FFX so much, yet your favorite game is FFVII? I need not explain myself why you fail so hard.

PlaneScape: Torment.

For me the best RPG ever. The best story I've ever played, but it's not one where you're trying to SAVE THE WORLD FROM IMMENENT DOOM. It's a really personal story which I really apreciate. It's really well worked out, the characters have good voices and great humor.

I hate to say it, but I believe Ar Tonelico just became the best RPG I've played in many many many years. And for awhile now that was Suikoden II. I don't know if it's because of the well done characters, or the awesome music that is in this game. But I'm hooked and can't stop playing. There is a system in it called the "Cosmosphere" where you dive into the mind of your "partner" and help them find themselves. Or to put it simply - help them achieve Total Enlightenment. About 50% of the games storyline is fitted into this system. There are plot twists and things you wont even now if you avoid thier spheres. The battle system is tradional and the old school 2-D atmosphere is present(with the downside being that there is really no exploration of towns, but if you've played RTS games like Front Mission 3, this should'nt bother you). I find 3-D RPGs to have lazy atmospheres and too short.

ff7 is my fav. no monotony, always fresh scenery (not repetetive like 10), not childish like 9, and not a desperate attempt at capturing previous glory like 8. tales of legendia was awright. chrono cross from all the characters.

yeah man 7 best game evar

Chrono Trigger. It's the only game that ever really feels complete. It has everything an RPG should have.

Xenogears gets an honourable mention for the absolutely adult level of story.

And I'm quite impressed by the 3 hours I spent with Kingdom Hearts, an enjoyable battle system and from what I saw an interesting sotry. -3 for the nausea inducing camera though.

I'd say something about Final Fantasy here, but... come on just look at the name of the friggin' website.

Still Xenogears. It outshines the all competition in terms of everything except music, which is still very good.

the best rpg i've ever played i think it was MediEvil.



Sir Dan Rules!!!!!!!

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My top five They dont have an order they're all cool
Legacy of kain:Blood Omen
FF VII
Wild Arms
Chrono Trigger
Story of Thor

Who remembers Shining Force 1 and 2 on the Genesis? They were awesome. Also worthy of note is Tales of Phantasia on SNES.

MediEvil is not and RPG.......... Its a Platform game like Crash Bandicoot or Spyro

but i Choose Final Fantasy VIII

I Found the Characters Brilliant

You Had Squall a Man scared to get close to others and always lost in though.
Zell the Lively Fellow easily agravatedbut also is a know it all
Rinoa The Damsel in Distress Caring though can be selfish
Irvine Ladys Man hes pretty cocky which can get him into trouble
Selphie the lively one...okay i didnt like her much lol but she was lively and cherrful
Quistis the teacher aka the wise one?
Siefer Squalls Child Hood Enemy his complete opposite

what i love about FF8's story is i parts a Romantic love story and how a man who is shy and keeps to himself grows to notice hes around people who care about him and even love him.but then how when your playing this game the story and objects change so does squall.theres a great deal of contrast between squall at the beginning of the game to the end of the game.

I found every part of the game interesting somthing was always going on(unlike ff12...),Like the Garden Battles remember the start of that your just flying around then suddenly your into a huge war i foudn it quite breathtaking,but what about the intro of this game easily the best intro to a game that i have ever seen,the music is fantastic and has the right tone and pace to fit the action on the screen.

Now about the world and how it was designed.if never seen a better designed world, i love the era/time zone which the game is in its sort of futuristic but then its not to far in the future (Esthar may be an exception)



do you see what i mean by a mix of futuristic and modern mixed. i like the way the colours sometimes shine like metal on the G.Garden and how the buildings designs look like symbols.Also i have to say that the Last bosses on ff8 are the most amazing visual experience ive ever seen in gaming.the atmosphereof the colours and shades gives it such tension and the design of the bosses (along with the dramatic soundtrack) especially the last one. the monster if you will has so many bright contrasting colours over shades of gray and the area is in space black space whith stars and its all just so clear and shrap but in a good way.ive not seen anything like it to this day.





but For The Game Play,alot of people moan at the Junction System because it too complicated when i personnaly find it very simple,the only problem with the Junction System is that it Limits the use of magic because the magic is stored to make you have more HP attack power ect. but other than that everythign else is fine,i like how the game has Levels on the characters,i like how you can get limit breaks by low health or Aura magic and how when you charge up to use the G.F/Summons in battle they actually have a set Hp so if the Enemy its you while your charging for the G.F attack your G.F will take the blow and die.i also thin the graphics of the battles are probaly the Best of the PS1 while in battle and smoothed out on the PS2 it looks great.
http://rpgeternity.altervista.org/GF%20FF8/Ifrit_ff8.jpghttp://rpgeternity.altervista.org/GF%20FF8/Eden_ff8.jpg
http://rpgeternity.altervista.org/GF%20FF8/doomtrain_ff8.jpghttp://rpgeternity.altervista.org/GF%20FF8/Diablos_ff8.jpg

as For extra things to do you have weapons to upgrade,the Card game which is brilliant and addicting,a chocobo system which kind of failed due to it relying on the Pocket Station and many other side quests

Also i found FF8 entertaining all the way through where that be events always happening in storywise when i got to new places to battles casting GF's to exploring the beautifully crafted world that Squaresoft gave us.not only do i find Final Fantasy VIII the best RPG iver played but also the best game ive ever played.If any game can be called a masterpiece or a Pice of art id say FF8.

Other RPGS I like:FFVII,FFIX,FFX,KH1&2,Star Ocean 3 Till the end of time
(P.S - Sorry that some pics are a bit big)

True dat

its a tie between ffx-2 and an old ps1 game suikoden 2

My all time favorite is Persona 2 Eternal Punishment/Innocent Sin, then Valkyrie Profile,Parasite Eve 1, Breath of Fire 4

I would have to say these myself.
Final Fantasy 8 (PSX)
Final Fantasy X (PS2)
Disgaea 2 (PS2)
Makai Kingdom (PS2)
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow (GBA)
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow (DS)
Chrono Cross (PSX)
Kingdom Hearts 2 (PS2)
Earthbound (SNES)

Becuase I don't really have a Job I can't afford games...If I could My favorite RPG Game list would be Much Bigger.

Final Fantasy 7, because it made me cry when Aeris died. Morrowind because it had a better story line than Oblivion! LoZ Ocarina of Time, I would have to say is the best Zelda game (even though I liked Twilight Princess, found it was too short though) ever. World of Warcraft! I know its an MMO, but it's still an RPG. It pwns Ever Quest (sorry to say, I did like Ever Quest but it got boring faster than WoW).

I've been playing RPGs for years, and I have yet to find one that's better than Final Fantasy IX. I'm not really much of a player, but out of all the ones I've tried, this one is still the best.

(checks to see if Prak is going to swoop in to turn this back into a 'these aren't RPGs' thread).

I have to go with Final Fantasy VI. It has a large, well balanced cast of characters. The game is equivalent to an ensemble cast movie and requires a delicate balancing of the backstories of all the characters with the limited time they are allowed for each. I think they did it magnificently. These characters were not formed on the day you start a new game, they have engaging and worthwile backstories that make you love or hate each and every one of them (save Gogo and Umaro, but you get the idea).

Each character has a reason for resisting the empire and, therefore, joining the party. The graphics are the best in any sprite-based game I have ever seen and the environments are large, detailed, and engrossing.

The contrast between the World of Balance, and the World of Ruin is beautiful. I actually feel sad to see the world be ripped apart and feel desperate and desolate when you have to begin all over again. You have to reunite the last sparks of the hope in the world and make one last hail-mary assault.

The music is instantly memorable and ranges from ecstatic (Johnny C Bad) to tranquil (Kids Run Through the City) to everywhere else on the emotional spectrum. It isn't my personal favorite, but it is the best I've played. Xenogears comes close, so very close, but ultimately falls short, IMO.

I guess my favorite RPGs are the ones that I can actually go back and play again...and again. Maybe trice.

I did this with:

FFVII
Breath of Fire 3
Chrono Trigger
Xenogears
Suikoden 2
Final Fantasy Tactics
Castlevania SOTN (Even if you don't consider it an RPG.I Played it to death.)

Update:

-Bahamut Lagoon
-Crono trigger
-Final Fantasy IX
-Final Fantasy X
-Terranigma
-Vagrant Story

(checks to see if Prak is going to swoop in to turn this back into a 'these aren't RPGs' thread).

Do you want me to do that? I'll do it by request, but I've completely given up on talking sense into people. When you guys completely destroy the meaning of the term and make it utterly useless, you have no one but yourselves to blame. I get the luxury of sitting back and laughing at all the fucktards who never bothered to listen to me when they still had the chance.

FFVII
Breath Of Fire II
Golden Sun/The Lost Age
FFTA
FE Sacred Stones

I liked Summoner, If anyone can get me the OST email me: [email protected]

urm...

final fantasy 7
star oceon till the end of time
kingdom hearts 2

Grandia 2 and Tales of Symphonia

Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne.

Inspired me to play the SNES games too, and their wow factor is through the roof.

Any of the Shin Megami Tensei titles...with the exception of the first two Persona games because I haven't played those ones.

Odin Sphere definately.

I'm just about to try out Odin Sphere actually.

But so far, it's Knight Online.

Chrono Trigger

Breath of Fire 3

My three favorites:

FFVIII
FFX
ChronoCross

Honorable mention to FFVI and Chronotrigger (have a hard time putting them in the top running since I started with 3d PS1 generation games, but they are great games)

final fantasy tactics,lacked in gfx,but the story line was so scandelous,.by the end,you had no idea who was good,and evil,.cardinals killing kings for power stones,.best friend turns away from you,.plenty to keep you guessing,.
plus all the job crossing,everything from alchemist,and squire,.to ninja/samurai,bard,.probably 30 job classes to mix,match and master,.and of course the story line charachters,and hidden characters,.beowolf,the divine knight,dragon charmers/3 headed white hydras,beast tamers,very powerfull robot,..plus sidequests that level you up,and give you exp...and of course,guest apperances by cloud,and aeris,.

next of all time pic,..ffx,.beat both of these,like 5 times,.and of course among my top 5,.ff12 and rogue galaxy,.

final fantasy tactics,lacked in gfx,but the story line was so scandelous,.by the end,you had no idea who was good,and evil,.cardinals killing kings for power stones,.best friend turns away from you,.plenty to keep you guessing,.
plus all the job crossing,everything from alchemist,and squire,.to ninja/samurai,bard,.probably 30 job classes to mix,match and master,.and of course the story line charachters,and hidden characters,.beowolf,the divine knight,dragon charmers/3 headed white hydras,beast tamers,very powerfull robot,..plus sidequests that level you up,and give you exp...and of course,guest apperances by cloud,and aeris,.

next of all time pic,..ffx,.beat both of these,like 5 times,.and of course among my top 5,.ff12 and rogue galaxy,.


loved crono trigger,and i can't remember the other 1 i liked so much,also on super n.e.s. you could morph into a knight,mist,or puddle,.

kingdom hearts is the best, haha no. FF7 till death

My favorites are:

Chrono Trigger

Final Fantasy X

Tales of Phantasia

Lunar: The Silver Star Story
Lunar: Eternal Blue

When you guys completely destroy the meaning of the term and make it utterly useless, you have no one but yourselves to blame. I get the luxury of sitting back and laughing at all the fucktards who never bothered to listen to me when they still had the chance.

I was not here at that time. Could you remind me ?

In a nutshell, games such as Final Fantasy and its ilk are not role-playing games. They're adventure games that ignorant Japanese developers who didn't understand the real concept behind role-playing slapped the wrong title on and managed to propagate.

By one commonly used definition of a role-playing game, Pac-Man is a fucking RPG because you "play the role of Pac-Man." Of course, that makes no sense and makes the term useless. I can continue, but this isn't the place. This is the place for people who don't know the difference to spout off while I laugh at them for their foolishness.

In a nutshell, games such as Final Fantasy and its ilk are not role-playing games. They're adventure games that ignorant Japanese developers who didn't understand the real concept behind role-playing slapped the wrong title on and managed to propagate.

By one commonly used definition of a role-playing game, Pac-Man is a fucking RPG because you "play the role of Pac-Man." Of course, that makes no sense and makes the term useless.

Oh, ok. completely agree with you. There's also an other point. I call it the liberty problem: these games only offer a very limited panel of possibilities, contrary to P&P RPGs, like Shadowrun or L5R. Other problem: you don't create the character (Ok, in some games like Fallout or BG, you do, but you still can't say to Elminster to go and get lost with his prophecies...).

And sorry for treating you of moron in the other post. and of idiot by now. :angel:

I liked Morrowind a lot. I still need to try out Oblivion someday, but I do need to get back to playing Odin Sphere again and finish it before I get yet another game.

A tie between Grandia 2 (amazing story and I loved the time-bar battle system), or Skies of Arcadia.

Oh, ok. completely agree with you. There's also an other point. I call it the liberty problem: these games only offer a very limited panel of possibilities, contrary to P&P RPGs, like Shadowrun or L5R. Other problem: you don't create the character (Ok, in some games like Fallout or BG, you do, but you still can't say to Elminster to go and get lost with his prophecies...).

And sorry for treating you of moron in the other post. and of idiot by now. :angel:

You hit on the entire essence of the issue right there. People refer to games as RPGs without knowing what role-playing is in the first place. The liberty problem, as you put it, is exactly what it boils down to.

Oblivion and Kingdom hearts 2, two games that have a special place in my heart.

They're all flawed in some way so, I don't know. I don't think I could name a best one.

Never played a TBRPG or something pretty well known like Oblivion or Diablo before either =/

Tales of Symphonia
Best ever. Such a game, such a great story
EDIT: is the OST here y/n

MORROWIND!!! The best game in the world.

Xenogears.

MORROWIND!!! The best game in the world.

Meh, Oblivion is much better.

Meh, Oblivion is much better.

SICK! Oblivion holds your hand through the whole game. The combat sucks, the physics suck, the AI is horrible. Sure the combat in morrowind is roll to hit and they could have increased the hit rate I still prefer it over oblivion. I'd rather have the limited AI in morrowind that the "free form" ai in oblivion where everyone does the same thing every day.

Really? I found none in the flaws you have mentioned, and I own both games.

runescape

i tried kh1 and 2

THEY SUCK

So do you.

My vote has to go to Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Hands down one of the best games ever made.

final fantasy x.

My vote has to go to Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Hands down one of the best games ever made.

I really love that game. I want to see a port of it either on the wii virtual console or the DS.

I don't know which I like best but my favorites are:
Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth
Shadow Hearts
Shadow Hearts Covenant
The Suikoden series

final fantasy x.

That is not a RPG.

A five way tie between:


Final Fantasy I & II - Dawn Of Souls
Suikoden V
Final Fantasy Tactics
Suikoden IV
Final Fantasy Anthology (Final Fantasy V & VI)

That is not a RPG.

Nearly all the games evoked in this thread are not RPG, but Adventure games...I still wait for a true RPG where i will be able to play a villain and finish the game, in my very own sick way (IE: killing every thing between me and the ending credits)...:naughty:

So far, only Fallout 2 allowed me to do this...:-P

Nearly all the games evoked in this thread are not RPG, but Adventure games.

+rep

Nearly all the games evoked in this thread are not RPG, but Adventure games...I still wait for a true RPG where i will be able to play a villain and finish the game, in my very own sick way (IE: killing every thing between me and the ending credits)...:naughty:

So far, only Fallout 2 allowed me to do this...:-P
Play Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura. You can kill anything, even when doing so will prevent you from actually finishing the game.

Bored of FF atm so i'm playing Oblivion. Also:



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:laugh:

Haha, thats epic, the fanboys will want oblivion now.

Xenogears...

The Final Fantasy Series, Suikoden II, Xenogears, Alundra, Valkyrie Profile, Grandia II, Legend of Mana, Arc the Lad Series, Breath of Fire Series, and many more.
If The Castlevania series with S.O.T.N gameplay counts, I will add it too.

I've played a bunch of RPGs and is difficult to choose hahahaha

I really love that game. I want to see a port of it either on the wii virtual console or the DS.

It's coming to the virtual console. I read it on Wikipedia. What I'm hoping for is a true sequel.

It's coming to the virtual console. I read it on Wikipedia. What I'm hoping for is a true sequel.\

Thats the best news Ive heard in a while. I really love that game.

suidoken v, FFX, and steambot chronicle

the best would be what plays to your still and what gives you a role to play. chrono trigger and cross are favored by me but knight of the old republic 1 was the next great step into a new rpg world. FF7 KH1&2 are great for the story.

FF VII

KOTOR 1 and 2

Chrono Trigger

Elders scroll 4 Oblivion!!!

SMRPG, Paper Mario, Tales of Symphonia.

Star Ocean: The Second Story

i miss that game when my uncle moved out he took Star Ocean: The Second Story and breath of fire 3 ....

All the final fantasy games are brilliant except for eight....
Also ocean star was really good and so was dark cloud

Dragon Quest VIII is by far THE best RPG, scratch that, the best game I've ever played. It's also my fav turn-based RPG, but my fav game of all time is probably Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+. I just don't think that's the best ever made.

the dot hack series will be compared to final fantasy in the future
i dont think the makes of hack dont intend to stop making games
the first series was good as far as story goes and the battle system wasnt all to great
but the newer one gu is amazing

the best RPGs ive played are
.hack 1,2,3,4
.hack//g.u
Kingdom Hearts 1&2
and of course FFX,FFVII,FFVIII,FFXII

Probably need to make a list ranking them since I enjoyed a lot...

1. Chrono Trigger - Amazing concept, very entertaining, and probably the one I would still be willing to replay until I die. It truly lasts through the ages.

2. Tales of Phantasia (PSX) - First game I played in full Japanese, amazing battle system (since I previously only had seen turn based ones) and I loved the storyline along with the humorous innuendos.

3. Tales of Symphonia - Being like a sequel/prequel to ToP, it was definitely a game that I loved for its characters. The characters are cute, and beyond that, I have always loved the anti-hero villain introduced in games.

4. Final Fantasy VI - Kefka is awesome, there really isn't more I should have to say about that one.

5. Valkyrie Profile 1 - The voice acting in this one was fantastic in my opinion and I loved the gameplay. I don't think anything could have been more fun than doing thousands of points of damage to your enemies with a long string of attacks -- Nibelung Velesti!

6. Sword of Mana (AKA Final Fantasy Adventure Remake) - My favorite gameboy game remade, one word...Kickass.

And that sums up my top 6 of all time favorite RPGs :)

1. .hack Infection/Mutation/Outbreak/Quarantine (PS2) - Either way to understand the storyline to .hack//GU you have to play it and dispite the ugly rating Gamspot gave them I still love .hack becuase its my favorite anime.

2. .hack//GU Vol. 1 Rebirth/Vol. 2 Reminisce (Still Waiting On 3 But I Know Whats Ganna Happen ^-^) (PS2) - Large improvments in the new series games plus the storyline is amazing plus the battling system wow. This is way better then FF all the way and you can count on that.

3. Star Ocean 3 Till The End Of Time : Please tell me a game better then this (KH is one that dosent involve FF) action packed and real-type battling system and dont tell me final fantasy because it cant beat this not even the corny new one 12 because FF12s storyline sucks it practicly put me to sleep.

4. Tales Of The World RM : Ok so who wouldent like to have the tales series characters in a protable system? This is the best Tales of series game up to date.

5. Golden Sun And The Lost Age : If you have forgotten about this rpg your a sad person. Basicly one of the best long rpgs i ever played in a gba (Besides pokemon cuz that dosent count no storyline just repeat the same old thing in ever game "gatta catch em all and beat the trainers to be the best" oh yeah some storyline woo-hoo) this game took alot into to be played and basicly the graphics and music are wonderful.

@Kwiqsilvr: Every tales of series is not combined with any other. Each one has a seperate storyline. Now if you played ToW then thats when u can call it a sequel to all of the tales of games

1. Chrono Trigger, I just started playing it but this is absolutely amazing so far. Chrono Cross as well.
2. FFX
3. FF7
4. FF9
5. The KotoR series
6. Oblivion
7. LoD
8. Xenosaga series
9. KH series
10. FF Tactics series

@Kwiqsilvr: Every tales of series is not combined with any other. Each one has a seperate storyline. Now if you played ToW then thats when u can call it a sequel to all of the tales of games

Oh, I totally agree with you. What I meant was the storyline and characters are almost parallel. But there are definitely many differences as well. Anyway, both games are in my top 5 because I like them so much.

Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals
Hybrid Heaven
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
Disgaea
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy VII
Chrono Cross

I love so many rpg's Suikoden I II IV V and tatics konami is so mean for not bringing three worldwide loti um FF 7, 3, 8, 9, 10, 10-2, XII dirge of cerbrus Atelier Iris I II and III, Star ocean 2 and Till the End of Time where square and enix came together awsome square enix um Grandia 1 and 2 Dark Cloud and Dark Chronicle Metal Gear Solid 1, 2 Sons of Liberty, 3 Snake Eater Subsistence and Portable Ops Secret of Mana on the super nintendo was awsome Kingdom Hearts 1, Chain of Memories and 2 (don't know about this one hmm> Grand Theft Auto Vice City and San Andreas) Elder scrolls only played oblivion but an excellent game can't spell > Bauldors Gate Dark Allience 1 and 2 Arc Twilight of the Sprits an awsome game the . hack series The Legend of Zelda espcially Manjora's Mask and Twilight Princess Breath of Fire III and IV Legend of Dragoon Wild Arms 1 3 and 4 and the list could go on but i'll end it there RPG's are the greatest loti.

Final Fantasy VI tops them all. Genso Suikoden II is a second and then others follow, like Seiken Densetsu 3, Chrono Trigger and Genso Suikoden.

FFVII & FFVIII

Honestly, I haven't played many except for online.

Online- Trickster. Damn, it's a copy of Ragnorok, only cuter!
Dragonfable- Sequel to Adventure Quest. Your character actually moves! WOW! XD

Not online- Kh2. I don't have a Ps2 (Yet. I'm saving up for one currently), but I played it at a friend's house.
FF: CC- No, not Crisis Core. Crystal Chronicals. Probobly never heard of it, but it's real. AND SWEET MOTHA IS IT AWESOME :D
Edit- Baten Kairos Oden. The name is so confusing I might've got it wrong. Pretty much Kh: CoM only on the gamecube, better graphics, and it's way better. Plain and simple.

FFIX, absolutely no contest.

Mine would be:

Suikoden 2, Grandia, Skies of Arcadia, Chrono Cross, and Lufia 2.

its tied between Super Mario RPG, Final Fantasy IX, and Lord of the Rings: The Third Age

Okay, i'll be honest, i havn't played a lot of RPG's. Final Fantasy 4 to 10-2 + 12,
Star Ocean 3, Chrono Trigger, and a heap of ones i've forgotten about.

I'd easily say Final Fantasy 7 is the best i've ever played, everything about it is incredible. I've played 10 for countless hours, Love it. Star Ocean 3 i THOROUGHLY enjoyed, finished it multiple times. I played SO1 a bit, and i liked it, but i lost that somewhere =(. Chrono Trigger was really really good, but i didn't like it as much as some others.

Bob's Big Adventure, ftw.

Well..... Final Fantasy... Of course... Every that I played and I didn`t play... Every every every title of this franchise is the-best!

And another RPG that I will never forget is Anito: Defend a land enraged

It`s just so awsome RPG.... So much freedom, so much fun... ANd the battle system really impressed me... You can try it youself, I`m sure you are going to like ti! Tee-hee!

Being a hopeless fankid is frowned upon, you know.

Tee-hee!

wtf...

This time, it would be Lost Magic.

I actually enjoyed LOTR: Third Age a lotlotlotlotlot. Because I love LOTR so much, I suppose. Then comes Fable, since it's at least 70% RPG - I adore that game to tears. KotoR; and that's about it. Although I can't wait to get my hands on Oblivion.

Just for the record, Fable is more an RPG than LOTR: Third Age.

FF6 of course. Followed by Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy Tactics

Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door and Pokemon Emerald for me.

Just for the record, Fable is more an RPG than LOTR: Third Age.


then why does it use the same battle system as FFX(LOTR the Third Age)?

Because FFX is more like an adventure game than a real RPG. Not that you'd know the difference, brainwashed as most people tend to be on that issue.

Normally I'd say Vagrant Story, but that really is more of an Action/Adventure RPG with elements of Puzzle and Strategy games thrown in. So for this one I'll go for Fallout 1/2 and Planescape: Torment

FFVI (favorite)
Xenogears
FFVIII

Because FFX is more like an adventure game than a real RPG. Not that you'd know the difference, brainwashed as most people tend to be on that issue.

im too busy with an actual life outside of sitting in front of a tv screen/compy screen to pay attention to details...mainly because im not completley obsessed with it... though being a member of a forum devoted to a series of video games is nerdy

best rpg is tales of series

The Megaman Battle Network series...

The best RPG that I have ever played would be "KOTOR" (Spec. I not II). I have replayed the hell out of KOTOR, and none of my others come close.
Runners up would include: "Earthbound" (Mother)."Arc the Lad: Twilight of Spirits", "Breath of Fire III", "Final Fantasy VI", and "Legend of Legaia."

In consoles, probably... the SNES Shin Megami Tensei games, especially SMT2. Romancing SaGa 3 and the Persona games are pretty close.

I'd say Legaia 2 Duel saga, for both music and gameplay.

I enjoyed Final Fantasy VIII so much in my life, that I already beated this game by 7 times, but never bored and I still want to re-played again...^_*
I dunno why, but I always feel the connection between me and Squall, like I understand him completely, like I playing my other self...(sometimes I'm introvert, anti social and don't care what other peeps thinking too)

FF VII?? (bleh) I quit playing after I defeated Sephiroth, watched the stupid ending and not bother to maxed everything or do the chocobo sidequests...>_< yep I only played once and THAT'S IT!!

Best RPG I've played? Mass Effect.

The ones I keep returning to are

Chrono Trigger
Earthbound
Suikoden
Final Fantasy VI
Breath of Fire II
Robotrek

There are others, but these are probably my favorites

wow. a ton jRPG's here... anyone should check out MASS EFFECT. best RPG, STORY, Graphics, SOUND in years.

For me, it's Elder scrolls IV

There's quite a lot of great RPGs out there (ANY FINAL FANTASY PAST 6 ISN'T!)
but there is a group which stand above all, the Shin Megami Tensei Series!
More precisely SMT Nocturne Maniacs... some love it, and many hate it...
Deep and dark atmosphere, chalenging difficulty, terrific replay value... and it is the most powerfull of the series artistically speaking.

In second place I would say BoF Dragon Quarter.
Ridiculously high difficulty and almost infinite replay value... need I say more?

Persona 3 is the best RPG game I've ever played.

It inspires me in my real life.Really.

Soul calibur. by the way, I want to know how to extract a Soul calibur file labeled... Soulcalibur.USA.DC.Part 01.RAR. But it sys the file is unkown or damadged. help!

Front Mission

deus ex probably, great story, great levels and plenty of replay value

well .. too many good RPG in fact .. especially on PC (Morrowind, Gothic 1, 2....).
I'm still playing and finishing Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines (for the 5th time..). More action game than true RPG but it's more "adult" than all these Japanese RPGs.

I'm older know, so I guess my "Final fantasy mania" is over...

That would be Final Fantasy VII (PSX) and Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn (PC).

I'm still playing and finishing Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines (for the 5th time..). More action game than true RPG but it's more "adult" than all these Japanese RPGs.

Not true at all. The freedom you have in determining your character's actions and personality make VTM-B much more a part of that genre than the Jap adventure games masquerading as RPGs.

Final Fantasy VII, X, VI, Elder Scrolls III . I think.

FF7 i mean come on the 1st FF to be in 3D
i also loved how FF12 came out of the turn base but te story was weird
My favorite was no doubt Dragon Quest XII just because of Yangus (beef)