QUATERMASS II - Original BBC TV Soundtrack (FLAC)

LINK (http://www.mediafire.com/download/fa8teuvuwmpokfd/Quatermass+II+-+Original+BBC+TV+Soundtrack%2C+FLAC.zip)

1. The Planets: Mars, The Bringer of War – Philharmonic Promenade Orchestra; conducted by Sir Adrian Boult (Holst)
2. The Challenge of Space: Cosmic Rays – Trevor Duncan [1-6]
3. Zero Minus Sixty – Robert Farnon [1-6]
4. UNKNOWN 1: Sting 1 [1,2,4] (TV rip)
5. UNKNOWN 2: Sting 2 [1,2,5,6] (TV rip)
6. The Challenge of Space: Escape Velocity – Trevor Duncan [1-4,6]
7. The Challenge of Space: Vastness of Space – Trevor Duncan [2]
8. Space Alarm - George Arnos [2]
9. Dead World - George Arnos [2,3]
10. The Challenge of Space: Planet in Flames – Trevor Duncan [3]
11. The Challenge of Space: Onward to the Stars! – Trevor Duncan [3]
12. FEATURED: Swing-Hoe – Robert Farnon [4]
13. FEATURED: Fireside Serenade – Trevor Duncan [4]
14. Heavy Industry 3: Molten Metal - Hubert Clifford [4,5]
15. UNKNOWN 3 [4,5] (TV rip)
16. UNKNOWN 4 [4,5] (TV rip)
17. UNKNOWN 5 [5] (TV rip)
18. UNKNOWN 6 [5] (TV rip)
19. Disaster and Desolation – Hubert Clifford [6]
20. UNKNOWN 7 [6] (TV rip)
21. Inhumanity – Trevor Duncan [1-5]
22. Transitional Scenes Pt. 2(e): Project – Trevor Duncan [6] (TV rip)

All tracks are from CD / Lossless where available, apart from "Fireside Serenade" which is a website rip. "Molten Metal" has never had a CD release and comes from a Chappell library LP. The remainder of the tracks are DVD rips - a couple were originally from internal BBC recordings, the rest from ancient 78 library discs: none have been issued in any form since the 1950s and none are circulating on the internet.

We have seven unidentified tracks. Some titles are guessable from details given on the BBC production paperwork:



UNKNOWN 1 or 2 is probably "Radiation Area" by George Arnos. [EDIT - it's UNKNOWN 2. A better copy is here (http://www.mediafire.com/download/t27i867ffpo8lok/Radiation+Area.zip).]


UNKNOWN 3 is probably from a BBC recording of "Faust: Making of Homunculus" by M�ty�s Seiber. [EDIT: No, UNKNOWN 3 now identified as "Without Hope - Bridge 1" by Trevor Duncan, played at near-half-speed. A clean copy is here (Thread 191161). (Thanks to gnawingagony.)]
[EDIT: UNKNOWN 4 now confirmed as a M�ty�s Seiber track from "Faust". A better copy is here (Thread 191161). (Thanks to GinjaNinja.)]

UNKNOWN 7 is very probably "Dialogue of the Electrons" by Jack Beaver. [EDIT - Scrub that, it definitely is. A better copy is here (Thread 191161).]


[EDIT: A better copy of track 22, Project, is here (Thread 191161).]


I've included three separate tracks labelled "Music As You Work" - muzak piped into the factory during the workers' siege. Again according to the paperwork, these are BBC recordings of:



I Want to be Happy - Jean-Jacques & his Orchestra (Vincent Youmans)


'S Wonderful - Trio Francois Charpin (Gershwin)


Embraceable You - Jean-Jacques & his Orchestra (Gershwin)


...whether those titles are correct - and whether they appear in that order - I don't know. I've removed them from the main body of the soundtrack because: 1) they're featured music rather than incidental; 2) they're poor quality; 3) they're largely obscured by dialogue; 4) two of the three are extremely brief. If you want to stick them into their correct place, they go between UNKNOWN 6 and Disaster and Desolation.

Various online sources claim that a suite of tracks called "Mob Violence" also appear in Quatermass II. These are not mentioned on the BBC paperwork and only became 'canon' a few years ago following a post on the Missing Episodes Forum. However, none of the four available tracks are used in the series as far as I can see. These are in disgrace in a separate folder.

Where to put Inhumanity? The final section is used as the closing theme music for parts 1-5, while the first half appears as incidental music in part 3. I'd normally have positioned it as the last track, but episode 6 closes with something else. I've put it as the penultimate track, which is making my OCD side really want to spit blood.

Mars, the Bringer of War is also annoying - the climax was used, of course, as the opening theme on all six episodes, but the opening section appears as incidental music in episodes 2-6. I've included an opening theme edit and the complete track too, so stick them wherever makes you happy!

EDIT:

The Soundtrack to The Quatermass Experiment is here ( http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/quatermass-experiment-bbc-1953-soundtrack-flac-193341/#post3044941).

And Quatermass and the Pit is here (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/quatermass-pit-%96-original-bbc-tv-soundtrack-193510/#post3048626).

Thanks!!

Funky 1 & 2,

Thanks much for this . TRXSCOR

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I've included three separate tracks labelled "Music As You Work" - muzak piped into the factory during the workers' siege. Again according to the paperwork, these are BBC recordings of:

[B]I Want to be Happy - Jean-Jacques & his Orchestra (Vincent Youmans)
'S Wonderful - Trio Francois Charpin (Gershwin)
Embraceable You - Jean-Jacques & his Orchestra (Gershwin)

...whether those titles are correct - and whether they appear in that order - I don't know. If you want to stick them into their correct place, they go between UNKNOWN 6 and Disaster and Desolation.

This is exactly what they are, and in the right order. Where's Eric Morecambe when you need him? :-)

Thanks for the great share! Good work! Looking forward to the other two... and, of course, QUATERMASS (1979) now that they've confirmed there'll be a music only track on the BD.

Many thanks for this upload- great to hear the music to Quatermass.... was some of this library music used in Quatermass & the Pit a few years later ?

Thank you share!

Great stuff. Not so long ago, I didn't even know who Trevor Duncan was... Now, I regard his music as indispensible.
Thanks for this!

Many thanks for this upload- great to hear the music to Quatermass.... was some of this library music used in Quatermass & the Pit a few years later ?

Hi, yes - some of the "Challenge of Space" tracks were re-used in Q&tP, most notably "Escape Velocity", which frequently turned up as the recap music.

Speaking of Q&tP, what's that I spy in your avatar...?

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This is exactly what they are, and in the right order. Where's Eric Morecambe when you need him? :-)

Thanks for the great share! Good work! Looking forward to the other two... and, of course, QUATERMASS (1979) now that they've confirmed there'll be a music only track on the BD.

recons! You're not dead! Hi mate, hope everything's good.

Delighted though I am by Network's BD announcement, it came just 3 days after I finally caved in and bought a copy of the old DVD from eBay. At eBay prices. I could weep.

Yeah, I'll be doing the other 2 serials. In fact, they're both more or less good to go, barring some minor tweaking. I started with QII because I'd achieved critical mass of lossless files, whereas the other two are a bit mp3-heavy. But I'm sick of waiting for the last library CD I need to turn up so I'll be uploading what I've got anyway, probably within the next week or two.

Ooh - and I've just this very morning tracked down the version of Mars, the Bringer of War that's used on Quatermass Experiment - it's not the one it's supposed to be!

Not dead, mate, no!

Where do you get track source info from? PasBs? I'd be interested to know what the source is for Jerusalem in QATP. (In fact, I'd love to see the Pasbs full stop!)

In QII, are the Mob Violence tracks tinkling away behind SFX in Unknown Tracks 4-6?

Have you located a copy of Pillars of Hercules in TQE? I never did, and I've searched for years!

The Matyas Seiber tracks do exist at the Beeb. They're on tape. I had a contact at the Beeb who was going to get them transferred for me (for a �35 fee - goodness knows what that charge is now), but they left before we could arrange things. I was then in contact with Seiber's daughter a few years ago now. At the time, she was setting up a trust in honour of her father and to preserve his work. I told her of my findings at the Beeb. She seemed interested. Unfortunately, things happened and I forgot to pursue this further. I notice she has indeed set up that trust, but I can't see any reference to the BBC Faust on there.

The Seiber Trust (http://seibermusic.org.uk/)

Not dead, mate, no!

Where do you get track source info from? PasBs? I'd be interested to know what the source is for Jerusalem in QATP. (In fact, I'd love to see the Pasbs full stop!)

In QII, are the Mob Violence tracks tinkling away behind SFX in Unknown Tracks 4-6?

Have you located a copy of Pillars of Hercules in TQE? I never did, and I've searched for years!

The Matyas Seiber tracks do exist at the Beeb. They're on tape. I had a contact at the Beeb who was going to get them transferred for me (for a �35 fee - goodness knows what that charge is now), but they left before we could arrange things. I was then in contact with Seiber's daughter a few years ago now. At the time, she was setting up a trust in honour of her father and to preserve his work. I told her of my findings at the Beeb. She seemed interested. Unfortunately, things happened and I forgot to pursue this further. I notice she has indeed set up that trust, but I can't see any reference to the BBC Faust on there.

The Seiber Trust (http://seibermusic.org.uk/)

I'd love to see the PasBs too! I used the details from the DVD booklet (presumably lifted from the PasBs), courtesy of Mr Pixley. The same tracks also appeared some years ago in a list posted by someone called Andrew Doherty - who sounded like he knew what he was talking about - over on the MEF. Then things got complicated when "Phillip Hindley" appeared, claiming that tracks 1a, 1b, 2a and 2b of Mob Violence (http://missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/14178/thread) also made an appearance, after which Doherty added Mob Violence to his own list. But just to complicate matters, he listed the featured tracks as 2-5. Mob Violence has appeared on a library CD, but the tracks there (the ones in my upload) were numbered 1-4. I'm pretty certain those four tracks don't appear in QII. They're definitely not "UNKNOWN 5" - that's quite a slow piece and the MVs are way too fast. They're definitely not "UNKNOWN 6" either (the workers' riot) - there's a distinctive 3-chord climax at one point which definitely doesn't figure in the MV tracks. The very brief "UNKNOWN 4" (end of part 4) is possibly feasible and I've not checked that as thoroughly. Still don't think it is though!

No sign of Pillars of Hercules here either. We must be scanning the same eBay listings by the sound of things! I think the tapes - should they survive - would be with KPM / EMI, if that helps.

Thanks for the link - will check it out shortly. Would you agree that the Seiber piece is "UNKNOWN 3", by the way? That's wonderful, whatever it is. By far the most modern-sounding track from the series. Fingers crossed for a release somewhere down the line...

Great share, thanks very much! :)

No sign of Pillars of Hercules here either. .. I think the tapes - should they survive - would be with KPM / EMI, if that helps.
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I've checked the EMI player. There's nothing by Chagrin on there :-(

I've just listened to 'Mob Violence'. I'm with you, I don't think those are used. You've included the original post with the tracks. He mentions QATP, so I think there is a confusion between these and Duncan's Four Evil Men suite for that serial. I can't make head nor tail of the assertion that FORCE FOR DESTRUCTION was also used as it's not mentioned anywhere else. Perhaps it sounds like something that's used. Go far enough with Trevor Duncan and you do get a sense of familiarity :-)

I've checked the EMI player. There's nothing by Chagrin on there :-(

There's nothing by Eric Siday there either and yet the Ultra Sonic Perception tapes will be sitting in one of their crates somewhere...



...You've included the original post with the tracks. He mentions QATP, so I think there is a confusion between these and Duncan's Four Evil Men suite for that serial. I can't make head nor tail of the assertion that FORCE FOR DESTRUCTION was also used as it's not mentioned anywhere else...

It's odd. Doherty appears to have known Trevor Duncan (http://missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/6489/thread) and generally appeared quite knowledgeable. The fact he then announced that it was Mob Violence 2-5 rather than 1-4 also hints at special knowledge. But then none of the available Mob Violence tracks appear to have been used at all, which rather pulls the rug out from under him. (By the way, Force of Destruction is a Trevor Duncan track - also not used, as far as I can tell.)

Anyway, it was Andrew Doherty's list (http://missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/40002/thread) - incorporating Mob Violence - that got cut and pasted around the net and, as far as I can see, was solely responsible for those tracks becoming 'official' - they're even listed on imdb. All thanks to a random forum post!

Btw - here's a lovely little piece about the music of Quatermass II, written by the actual grams operator:

BBC TV from AP - The Quatermass serials (http://www.bbctv-ap.co.uk/quater.htm)

According to Wikipedia, Smile, My Love by Hans May [a track from The Quatermass Experiment that I can't track down] is part of the soundtrack (https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_r%C3%B6da_h%C3%A4starna) to De r�da h�starna (The Red Horses), a Swedish comedy from 1954, available here (https://www.tv4play.se/program/svenska-filmklassiker?video_id=122824). I've had a listen hoping that the Wiki list is in order, but can't be sure. Maybe others might do better than my tuneless ears.

On a similar note, Dialogue of the Electrons by Jack Beaver is used on two films, also Swedish comedies of the same era, which are available on YouTube: �sa-Nisse flyger i luften (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toFdeoMr320) (1956) and �sa-Nisse som polis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22eNKc_azVU) (1960). Because Funky1&2 has probably identified this track from Quatermass II, we may know what we're listening out for and may be able to reconstruct the track from three potential sources. I haven't had a go at listening out for them in these two movies; I will when time permits. However, I thought others more gifted than me might fancy having a go...

Quatermass music lovers may also like another thread on this site offering a FLAC recording of The Quatermass Film Music (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCoQrAIoAjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.ffshrine.org%2Ff92%2Fquate rmass-film-music-collection-gdi-flac-129028%2F&ei=hf6cVbSuK4mqU8eYg5gL&usg=AFQjCNH_l0Wc8R6W2VGdhZtr1BWe_nhk7g&sig2=59nAmA_meLidJTnVVvCZxQ) album.

Finally, there are two prog rock albums Quatermass (1970) and Quatermass II (1997) which have at least the names inspired by the adventures of the famous professor. A more recent effort, Quatermass and the Pit (by The Bridge), is directly inspired by the serial of the same name. I have copies of all of these and can upload upon request. (Or you can do a web search for the latter as it is freely available).

I love this place! I'd found two of those Swedish titles - just never thought of checking YouTube. Excellent stuff - thanks!

20. Dialogue of the Electrons - Jack Beaver (http://www.mediafire.com/download/5n5thczx1uq64is/20.+Dialogue+of+the+Electrons+-+Jack+Beaver.flac)

:)

(That gunshot shouldn't be there, but it's still an improvement on what we had!)

It appears in the YouTube version of �sa-Nisse flyger i luften at 14'43 and 15'10 (along with a third unusable appearance later that I forgot to write down.)

[EDIT, April 2016: Ignore that link, better version of the track here (http://www.mediafire.com/download/33275b5cw55mtw8/Dialogue+of+the+Electrons.zip).]


Smile, My Love will, I think, have been the closing theme of Quatermass Experiment 6 (being listed uniquely for that episode, and Inhumanity only being listed for 1-5.) Presumably it'll be a grandiose thing in the style of "Project" from QII. Can't guarantee when I'll be able to go through those other two Svensk Films, but hopefully tomorrow...

Ok, here are the tracks from �sa Nisse Som Polis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22eNKc_azVU), one of which is probably the closing music from the final part of the original BBC Quatermass Experiment. I've omitted several songs and 'comedy' tracks (the opening theme music for one):

https://www.mediafire.com/?4bem96qlkah3847

Most of these are very unlikely stylistically to be the right one and track 10 is pretty much inaudible. If any are correct at all, my money's on it being 1, 2a or 4.

Haven't spotted any of them reappearing in De R�da H�starna so far - which would pinpoint the correct track - but I'm not giving up just yet!

Nice one, F1&2. I think 1 and 2a are different sections of the same track; they seem to have the same melody. I agree with the likely candidates. The rest seem to be action/comedy pieces. 1-2a-3 seems to be a swelling 'the nightmare's over' piece as used in 40s/50s movies of a certain kind :-)

Dialogue of the Electrons also appears in the movie Johan p� snippen tar hem spelet (1957). Unfortunately, I've never found this movie anywhere. *EDIT TO ADD* The trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S-VQE7sXZA) is up on YouTube. Looks a hoot!

Dialogue... and some of the other missing tracks may also appear in Out Of The Unknown. Despite Kaleidoscope's excellent book by Mark Ward on the series, without the PasBs or some other guide, we're left trying to guess tracks by ear.

FOUND IT! IT'S TRACK 1!!

Will update in a minute or two...

FOUND IT! IT'S TRACK 1!!

Will update in a minute or two...

*SINGS* This is my island in de sun...

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Pillars of Hercules next! This is what the Copyright Encyclopaedia has for it:

Pillars of Hercules. Violin part. By Francis Chagrin

Type of Work:
Musical work
Array
RE0000134027 / 1982-07-22
EFO000026577 / 1954-01-07
Title:
Pillars of Hercules. Violin part. By Francis Chagrin.
Variant title: Pillars of Hercules
Copyright Claimant: E. E. Chagrin (W)
Names: Francis Chagrin / E. E. Chagrin

...and the Catalog (sic) of Copyright Entries for 1954 has this:

Pillars of Hercules; [by] Francis Chagrin.
[Part: violin] � Francis, Day & Hunter,
ltd., London; 7Jan54; EFO-26577.

Not sure how that helps!

smile my love 1 (http://www.mediafire.com/download/17p7nbeb0pgfvlr/smile+my+love+1.flac)

- that's the track 1 bit, then some more from R�da H�starna. It's not much, but there's a bit more (along with some actual Swedish - I think they're discussing Helga's transformation into a giant space vegetable, but I wasn't paying much attention).

I agree that 2a could well be related. I'll maybe have a go at gluing that on the end later.

Will natter more later - I really should have been somewhere else ages ago, but I get distracted so easily!

Thanks for the pointers!


[EDIT, April 2016: Ignore all this; a proper copy of "Smile My Love" has since turned up. Link here (Thread 193341).]

Speaking of the OOTU book - it does list the PasB details (where available) for the stock music, though just the titles/artists without the catalogue numbers and library names. Mostly easy to work out though - New Concert Orchestra = Boosey, etc.

I've found a few - the track Deep Space (from the opening scene of Stranger in the Family) is available online (http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/abstractions-the-westway-studio-orchestra/8719128210872). It's very much vinyl-sourced, but nice quality and available in lossless. And rather fab.

I'd be surprised if Dialogue of the Electrons made an appearance in OOTU to be honest - one thing I have noticed during my last couple of years of geeking is that TV shows - from Quatermass Experiment though to Dr Who's Inferno - almost always used very recently issued tracks. There are exceptions - in fact, Inferno is one of them: all the tracks used were issued within the previous 12 months or so... but then up pops Mysterious dating from 1954! Exception that proves the rule and all that.

Can't say I'm intrigued by the "Quatermass" prog rock albums enough to give them a listen but I may well check out the Bridge tracks. Inspired by, you say?

And finally, I've a bone to pick with you, recons - every time I go onto YouTube now it's offering me links to the other �sa Nisse films! I have thus far resisted clicking. :p



EDIT - One thing I have got that might be of interest is the CD of the "Live From a Quarry" version of Quatermass and the Pit. It's by Paul K J0yce, who went on to have a Christmas number one with Bob the Builder "Can We Fix It?"! Despite that, it's great! I'll stick in my Q&tP upload (coming soon-ish)...

the track Deep Space (from the opening scene of Stranger in the Family) is available online (http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/abstractions-the-westway-studio-orchestra/8719128210872). It's very much vinyl-sourced, but nice quality and available in lossless. And rather fab.

I'm not OOTU track gathering, but that Deep Space is rather cool. Radiation Belt is very atmospheric. Could have almost substituted for Music For Piano and Celesta in Web of Fear.


...one thing I have noticed during my last couple of years of geeking is that TV shows - from Quatermass Experiment though to Dr Who's Inferno - almost always used very recently issued tracks. There are exceptions - in fact, Inferno is one of them: all the tracks used were issued within the previous 12 months or so... but then up pops Mysterious dating from 1954! Exception that proves the rule and all that.

You are right, of course. What's the version of Mars you think was used on TQE? I thought it was Coates 1926 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8RgTk2ZiF8). I had been wondering which version of Jerusalem had been used until you rightly shamed me into reading the DVD Booklet :-) Using the BBC Genome Project, I did narrow the source down to one programme but, like the excellent sounding Faust tracks, there's little hope of a copy unless anyone knows someone working for the Beeb. A journalist would be ideal!


Can't say I'm intrigued by the "Quatermass" prog rock albums enough to give them a listen but I may well check out the Bridge tracks. Inspired by, you say?
The prog rock albums are an acquired taste, but I've heard far worse. They're ok. The Bridge claim the inspiration somewhere. Certainly, I can imagine the story listening to the tracks. The track names themselves give it away, really. It's good stuff. I hope they do more.


And finally, I've a bone to pick with you, recons - every time I go onto YouTube now it's offering me links to the other �sa Nisse films! I have thus far resisted clicking. :p
Oi, don't blame me! That's YouTube! You can always say you're not interested by clicking the cross in the corner :-) Are the films any good? I didn't watch them. The De Roda movie looked quite watchable, even without subs!



EDIT - One thing I have got that might be of interest is the CD of the "Live From a Quarry" version of Quatermass and the Pit. It's by Paul K Joyce, who went on to have a Christmas number one with Bob the Builder "Can We Fix It?"! Despite that, it's great! I'll stick in my Q&tP upload (coming soon-ish)...

I can't wait! What did you do about the Cathedral Vision track in the end?




This looks interesting. How on earth (or do I mean Mars) did you find out about it?

Pillars of Hercules - a quest for the genuinely interested

The British Library do hold this record and offer a transcription service for members (membership is free) to CD and WAV. However, the price is too steep for me these days at �45 (I have paid this kind of price before on Ebay for rare vinyl containing tracks that I have shared for Quatermass and Dr Who but, regrettably, circumstances no longer permit).

If the work is out of copyright but the composer of the work has not been dead for 70 years (Chagrin died in the early 1970s), the BL states that permission needs to be sought from the estate for the transcription to occur. This may not be as hard as it may first appear as both of Chagrin's sons are famous actors in their own right, and are contactable via their web pages. They are Nicholas (http://www.nicolaschagrin.com/#contact) and Julian (http://www.julian-chagrin.com/HTML/julian-chagrin-contact.php). I can imagine an email from them would suffice, and this work is so obscure that I can't imagine them trying to make a charge for the right to have a transcription made for non-commercial purposes.

If anyone is interested in this treasure hunt, the BL Catalogue entry for Pillars of Hercules is here (http://cadensa.bl.uk/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=x1S1K1W42i/WORKS-FILE/59040091/9) and details of how to use this info to obtain a transcription is here (http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/inrrooms/stp/copy/transcription/transcriptionservice.html).

Hiya, as usual I've got to dash. Wll reply more fully later, but this is the correct Mars from TQE:

https://youtu.be/-XLBy0lyhHk?t=283

- IIRC this was, at the time, the most recent recording.

On part 1 it's played very fast, but compare it to the part 2 version and they're identical (unlike the ancient Coates version which bears no resemblance to either).

EDIT: Here's part 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtcCIVHcZXE

Laters!

Right, Mars, yes. Dull theory: the fact the 1945 Boult recording is played so fast on the first episode might be why they wrote down the wrong one: the Coates version is an absolutely frenetic performance and someone may have confused speeded-up Boult with "fast anyway" Coates. We'll never know. Most will never care.

You've shamed me back into re-reading the DVD booklet myself. I'd completely forgotten there were details for Jerusalem, scant though they are.

I have to confess I didn't actually watch the �sa-Nisse films! Just ripped them straight to WAVs then whizzed through them in an audio editor looking for anything that resembled a tune. (Because anything else would have been sad... ;))

Cathedral: Vision - I'm using the DVD soundtrack. The track is in 3 parts - section A is the quiet opening bit and is not used in the episode. B is where it get louder (and is the first properly audible bit on your version), and this plays underneath the final scene. Then, during Prof Q's final lines (and for 10-15 seconds after) it swells to the climax of section C, which, as soon as Andr� Morell has shut his gob, Mark Ayres has replaced with a nice modern transfer. That's actually the end of the track and it's a repeat of section B that plays during the end credits - clean and pristine again. All this means we have more or less clean copies of B and C. I've missed section A altogether (it's just too quiet on your version, sadly), then stuck the clean(-ish) B and C together. I had to include Q's final "We are the Martians" lines, but it works fairly well (and is not as inappropriate as �sa-Nisse gibbering over it, for example).

Regarding the British Library discs - someone else sent me some links to their copies of some of the absent Who-tracks recently. The user interface looked different though, not sure why:

Login (http://catalogue.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?dscnt=1&elementId=1&recIdxs=1&frbrVersion=3&scp.scps=scope%3A%28BLCONTENT%29&tab=local_tab&dstmp=1437075050200&srt=rank&mode=Basic&vl%28488279563UI0%29=creator&indx=12&tb=t&renderMode=poppedOut&vl%28freeText0%29=leslie%20weinberger&vid=BLVU1&fn=search&pag=bak&frbg=&displayMode=full&ct=&dum=true&recIds=BLLSA4234601&doc=BLLSA4234601&tabs=moreTab&fromLogin=true)

I don't think I'd splash out �45 for Pillars of Hercules (if it's the thing I think it is, it's used for 10 seconds!) but if the British Library got me drunk, bought me flowers and paid for the meal I might just be tempted by Desmond Leslie or the Dramatic Brass Chords...

I'm a bit confused with the whole copyright thing to honest. I thought anything recorded before Jan '63 had an expiry date of 50 years (i.e. they came out of copyright two years ago) and the "70 year" thing only applied to music recorded after that date. (And that extension had been granted following lobbying by those with a commercial interest in the Beatles and their contemporaries who were about to lose a lot of money). My very sketchy understanding of the situation is that a specific recording of a composition (made pre-63) is now out of copyright (meaning any Tom, Dick or Funky could release a vinyl rip of a 1962 track without the original record company's consent - which I think has happened with "Love Me Do"). I'm fairly sure that's correct. But (and I'm a lot less sure about this part) the actual composition itself might not be not out of copyright - meaning Tom / Dick / Funky would still have to pay a composer royalty, independent of the recording royalty. I may well be massively wrong there though. (If anyone reading this knows better I'd love to hear from you!)

And I'm not sure that the next of kin would be copyright holders for a library music recording - unlike a normal classical piece, I would have imagined that the composer would have relinquished all rights to the work in return for the paycheck. I'm tempted to give the British Library a ring though, just to see what their understanding of the situation is...

Phew, that was a long one!

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Oh, forgot Quatermass and the Quarry. It was performed round these parts. They were flogging CDs for a tenner a pop at the performances; I was there on the last night and there were loads left - it might be worth emailing Paul K Joyce (link on his website) to see if he's got any in the attic...

...

The BL link you have is for tracks that have been digitised and available for listening to in the Reading Rooms. I would never suggest doing something that went against the rules but, theoretically, if you can listen to a track, you can record it surreptitiously. Unfortunately, Pillars isn't available in this way.

Re: the copyright situation: I'm no expert. I simply paraphrased the information on the BL transcription website. The transcription form itself consists of tick boxes in the main. How thoroughly they might check to see if the composer of an obscure work, itself published by an no longer extant body, had died within the last 70 years, I don't know.

If you're sticking Q and the Quarry in with your release from QATP, I'll try before I buy, if that's ok. :-)

I suppose it doesn't really matter what the intricacies of copyright law are in relation to library music, only the BL's understanding of that law. I'd certainly like to pop down at some point and have a listen to a few of the tracks we're still after - a trawl through the Desmond Leslie discs would confirm or refute a few things, and might even contain a few surprises...

The good news: my copy of Quatermass (1979) has arrived. The bad news: I have to wait a month or so before opening it as it's a birthday present. Anyone else got theirs? What's it like?

Not me :(. My bank balance is still recovering from buying the old version (just days before the BD was announced). My pride won't let me splash out just yet. Looks lovely though, from what I've seen online. And the isolated score is in stereo apparently!

Btw - fantastic timing with finding the �sa-Nisse films on YouTube - they've been deleted now!

Well, I'm still a few weeks away from being able to watch Quatermass (1979).

I see the score (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/quatermass-1979-marc-wilkinson-nic-rowley-bluray-192917/?highlight=quatermass) to this has been posted, though. I'm stuck in Win 10 upgrades, so won't be able to download until a later time :-(

F1&2, how are you getting along with the QATP and TQE soundtracks?

Chaps,

I've had an email from FFS stating that someone has tried to log in to my account five times and failed because of an incorrect password. Do check your accounts also!

Recons! There’s something on your face!

Bloody identity theft. Everyone's at it these days...

Thanks for the heads up. No sign of anything at my end, thankfully.

I’m rubbish, sorry. QE would take 20 minutes of fiddling to get it shipshape, and Q&tP a bit more. (There’s one sequence that's made of bits of the same cue repeated at 3 different speeds. Which is boring to replicate but I’m gonna do it, godammit). I keep getting distracted with other things!

While I’m here, I can hammer the final nails into the coffin of Mob Violence though – I’ve seen a catalogue listing and there were definitely only four of them (each with Italian “Allegro”-type titles), and it wasn’t released until 1957/58 anyway. I thank you.

I thank you.

You're very welcome :-)

In fact, I've got them to hand now:

1a - Moderato
1b - Poco Piu Allegro
2a - Vivace
2b - Molto Allegro

In more exciting news, I've finished The Quatermass Experiment:

http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/quatermass-experiment-bbc-1953-soundtrack-flac-193341/#post3044941

And Quatermass and the Pit is here (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/quatermass-pit-%96-original-bbc-tv-soundtrack-193510/#post3048626).


Pillars of Hercules - a quest for the genuinely interested

The British Library do hold this record and offer a transcription service for members (membership is free) to CD and WAV.

This may not now be necessary...

Stay on this channel!

To be slightly more specific (yet still tantalisingly vague), my postman handed me something an hour or so back which you might rather like. Get ye to the Quatermass Experiment thread this second!

Many thanks!

You're welcome, sensei_russ!


M�ty�s Seiber - Unknown Track

Here's a complete version of the track previously known as "UNKNOWN 4":


http://www.mediafire.com/download/86m5ys4qdimnng7/16.+M%C3%A1ty%C3%A1s+Seiber+-+UNKNOWN.flac


It appears at the climax of part 4 (https://youtu.be/AQmUMsZnN1w?t=1704) as Professor Q peers through the inspection hatch at the writhing 'Ammonid' creature within.

It's definitely by M�ty�s Seiber, it's definitely from the BBC's Faust (http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?adv=1&media=radio&order=asc&q=SEIBER+FAUST+#search), but the title's less certain - the British Library know it as "Programme 4 no. 5". Is it "Making of Homunculus"? Is it something else?

Whatever it is, it's exciting!

Thanks to GinjaNinja for some astonishing Google-Fu...




EDIT, 2018:

Now that we know that UNKNOWN 3 is definitely a Trevor Duncan track, I think we can be much more certain this is indeed Faust: Making of Homunculus.

Thanks

You're welcome, sensei_russ!

Here's a complete version of the track previously known as "UNKNOWN 4":

http://www.mediafire.com/download/86m5ys4qdimnng7/16.+M%C3%A1ty%C3%A1s+Seiber+-+UNKNOWN.flac

It's definitely by M�ty�s Seiber, but the title's less certain - the British Library know it as "Faust - Programme 4 no. 5". Is it "Making of Homunculus"? Is it something else?

Whatever it is, it's exciting!

Thanks to GinjaNinja for some astonishing Google-Fu...

Can i be a pain in the backside and ask for an MP3? I can't seem to do anything with this file and I am thirsting to listen to this as if my life depended on it.

Bless your heart.

Here you go:

EDIT: No, that's still a FLAC. Bear with me...

Here it is!:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/so3s37opto5cta6/I+don't+know+what+a+FLAC+is!!.mp3

Dialogue of the Electrons - Jack Beaver

It's always nice to have a reason to dust this thread off!

First we had a grotty clip from the DVD soundtrack. Then we had a better, but still incomplete, rip from an obscure Swedish comedy film. Finally, here's the complete track from an original 78:

https://www.mediafire.com/?33275b5cw55mtw8

Massive kudos to GinjaNinja for some amazing clean-up wizardry on this one. Enjoy!

Blimey Oh Riley - thanks!

Thought that might drag you out of retirement, recons!

Here's another one:

Project - Trevor Duncan

https://www.mediafire.com/?swz54gc90v46y9h

- The closing music for part 6, direct from another slab of 1950s shellac. It's not scrubbed up too badly. I've remembered to include an mp3 this time as well. Also within are a few nice label scans from some of the other library discs used in Quatermass II.

Thanks!

Cool music, thank you for posting this!

Thanks guys.

For the benefit of anyone subscribed to this thread who might be interested, I've just posted another ancient rarity in the Quatermass Experiment (Thread 193341) thread.

Now that I can finally log in again (thank you GG - and Jessie! - you know who you are!) Just thanks and thanks again to Funky 1&2! Terrific finds!

Radiation Area - Paul Franklin & his Orchestra



Turns out this is "UNKNOWN 2". It's from the same disc as Space Alarm and Dead World, but, unlike those tracks, it was never reissued on CD, hence the rarity. Here it is from a vinyl 78.

https://www.mediafire.com/?t27i867ffpo8lok

So, that's all of the QII tracks listed on the BBC paperwork now tracked down and available. This is lovely, but still leaves four unlisted tracks unaccounted for. Can anyone out there ID any of them...?


EDIT: Just adding the words "George Arnos" so this post shows up in google searches....

...and it's another stonking find from Funky 1&2! Thank you very much for this! Where on Earth did you find this?

Can I be cheeky and ask for the other two tracks, Ray of Darkness and Space War? :-)

thanks

...and it's another stonking find from Funky 1&2! Thank you very much for this! Where on Earth did you find this?

Can I be cheeky and ask for the other two tracks, Ray of Darkness and Space War? :-)

It turned up in a big job lot of mostly Conroy discs. Nothing else exciting, unfortunately - just loads of easy cheesy / newsreel-type stuff. I'll just say it came from a dealer... (Yes, I'm being coy in case they turn up any more!)

The other side of the George Arnos disc is also sci-fi themed. Here's the whole thing:

https://www.mediafire.com/?dsmmy2a3h201ql8

Thanks muchly!

Thanks for all your research and digging Funky1&2.

Thank you! :)

Is 15. Unknown 3 still just that? Otherwise its from an Impress 1A 120 album called Without Hope by Trevor Duncan, and the track is the penultimate wrong and played at half speed. Just turned up on a blog!

Fantastic to see you again!

Oh my god, I think you're right. Just slowing it down now...

Nice to be back in the 1950s!

Yes, you're spot on. I've no idea how you spotted that. Thanks a million.

I think I know which blog you mean and actually listened to the track in question about 24 hours ago - completely without realising.

I had no idea Impress records were going that early. That's a bit of a revelation. I assume the track will be credited to The Lansdowne Concert Orchestra but we'll have to wait for a label scan before updating our LISTS.

Anyway, 6 of the 8 "Without Hope" tracks are available on the Weinberger "Night at the B-Movies" CD, so here are three pristine versions of "Without Hope" - the original track at its proper speed, a slowed down version, and a slowed down and looped version (to match what's in the episode).



Without Hope: Bridge 1 - Trevor Duncan

https://www.mediafire.com/file/w6eqi0u36x6z8ic/Quatermass_II_-_Without_Hope_-_Bridge_1_%5BSLOW%5D.zip/file

For me it is the most iconic bit of music in the entire programme, regardless of its speed! I look forward to finding one day the violin squiggles that comes next...

No, we've got them!

Thread 191161

It's from Faust. Two crackly takes appeared on the British Library site a while back (apparently from rehearsals - they're certainly different from each other, and neither seem to be a perfect match for the version in QII either).

I had no idea Impress records were going that early. That's a bit of a revelation.

Actually, I can see IA 130 is on Discogs with a date of 1956, so this might be a revelation only to me.

I had decided that the best places to look for the missing tracks were Boosey, Chappell, Harmonic and FDH/Mood Music. I'd tracked down most of the Quatermassy-sounding titles from Chappell, and nearly all the "drama" and "scientfic" tracks from Boosey and Harmonic, which just left Mood Music (which would be a massive pain to track down 'cos they appear to be the rarest.) But now you've cleverly put Impress in the running - and as we now know they were slowing things down - it's probably time to give everything a re-listen.

I think "UNKNOWN 5" could also be something slowed down. Here it is speeded back up, with assorted Mickey Mouse voices largely obscuring it:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/1n4mwt958hycufw/UNKNOWN_5_-_speeded_up.mp3/file

Ears peeled, chaps!


EDIT:

I've just tried speeding UNKNOWN 1 up and it sounds ridiculous. That one's not been tampered with, I think (although it could easily be the end of a much longer piece...)

Gnawingagony - you beauty! One of my favourite Quatermass pieces, identified at last. I'm also slightly embarrassed that I've had the track itself for years�

The 1956 date for IA 130 came from the Golden Age of Light Music series of CDs, which seemed pretty well researched. The earliest Impress release they offered was IA 122, also specified as 1956. However, I have seen some contradictory dates given by them to other releases, and even a couple of times on actual disc labels - so best to take any dates with a healthy serving of salt.

IA 119 (also a suite composed by Trevor Duncan) doesn't credit an orchestra on its label, so I suspect IA 120 won't either. I'd wager that IA 122 onwards were a slightly later batch of releases, with which they began to credit The Lansdowne Light/Concert Orchestra.

My fear now is that the remaining tracks will be from FDH or Paxton, but I can easily see UNKNOWNs 1 & 5 being from Impress.

Cheers for the edited-to-match versions!

My fear now is that the remaining tracks will be from FDH or Paxton, but I can easily see UNKNOWNs 1 & 5 being from Impress.

Oh God, I was forgetting the Paxton label. Also bloody rare, but luckily most of the tracks are available on Atmosphere Archive CDs AACD-1 through to AACD-8 (https://www.discogs.com/label/114058-Atmosphere-2).


EDIT:

And the first three tracks of AACD-12.

...its from an Impress 1A 120 album called Without Hope by Trevor Duncan, and the track is the penultimate wrong and played at half speed. Just turned up on a blog!

And a big thank you to Darren over at the Library Music Archives blog - the place for all your library music needs:

https://librarymusicarchives.blogspot.com/


EDITED TO ADD:



Thanks to Darren for the image.

Thank you for these QUATERMASS music links. soundtracks and cues very much appreciated