First, it's important to say that even the Blu-ray had the isolated score presented in lossy Dolby Digital (AC3) format. The DVD was also Dolby Digital, so why bother with this again? Both are in 5.1 Dolby Digital, yes, but the DVD's bitrate was 384kbps, while the Blu-ray almost doubled it, at 640kbps. The spectral view of the Adobe Auditon clearly showed more frequency response from the Blu-ray, obviously.

Second, I have to say that Calidoran previously shared this on his great thread, but most likely it was sourced from the DVD. But nevertheless, I based my share on his work: I named the tracks identically and "stole" the source music, which are not presented in their entirety on the isolated score (but are complete on both his release and mine as well). So, aside from that, I only did some very minor track splitting differently from his and no volume normalization at all.

I downmixed from 5.1 to 2.0, keeping all the audio information from the discrete 5.1 channels in stereo 2.0 using the "-downStereo" from the HDBR Stream Extractor (the best AC3 decoder, as well as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio, for that matter). I tried to do it in Dolby Prologic II, but it didn't sound good to me, so I kept it at regular stereo. I also decoded it at 24bit because it was "visually" better than the 16bit decoded stream on the spectral view of Adobe Audition. Don't ask me why! Then I downsampled it to 44.1kHz 16bit, and it still looked better than if I had decoded it directly to 16bit. Again, don't ask me why!

"Okay, shut the fuck up and give us the tracklist and the link". Sorry, here it is:


01 - Main Titles
02 - Sweetheart from Venezuela (Harry Belafonte)
03 - Rushing Down the Stairs
04 - Man Smart (Woman Smarter) (Harry Belafonte)
05 - Travel Music
06 - Watch The Dog & What's Happening
07 - The Book
08 - Obituaries
09 - Banana Boat Song (Day-O) (Harry Belafonte)
10 - Sold
11 - Enter... The Family, Part I
12 - Enter... The Family, Part II
13 - Enter... The Family, Part III
14 - Barbara in the Closet
15 - Adam the Headless
16 - Locking the Attic Door
17 - Sand Worm Planet
18 - Everything Goes
19 - What's This
20 - The Flier
21 - That Little Girl Saw Us...
22 - Unlocking the Attic, Part I
23 - Unlocking the Attic, Part II
24 - Bio-Exorcism Commercial
25 - Unlocking the Attic, Part III
26 - Knock Three Times
27 - Waiting Room of the Dead
28 - Lydia Enters the Attic
29 - Lobby Music
30 - On Their Way to Juno
31 - The Story of Beetlejuice (Beetle-snake, Part I)
32 - The Fly
33 - Designer Sheets
34 - Get Another Routine
35 - Lydia isn't Scared (In the Model, Part I)
36 - In the Model, Part II & Heeere's Beetlejuice (Juno's Theme)
37 - Change of Mind
38 - The Banana Boat Song (Day-O) (Harry Belafonte)
39 - The Attic
40 - Beetlejuice Taunts
41 - Beetle-snake, Part II
42 - Dante's Inferno Room (source)
43 - The Sun Terrace Chat
44 - I am Alone (I Dream) (Areza Riandra)
45 - Scary Face
46 - Another Scary Face
47 - Looking for the Maitlands
48 - Second Thoughts
49 - Just in Time & Lydia's Pep Talk
50 - Otho the Obnoxious
51 - The Incantation & Lydia Strikes Back
52 - Showtime!
53 - Laughs
54 - The Wedding
55 - The Aftermath
56 - Jump in the Line (Shake, Shake Se�ora) (Harry Belafonte)
57 - End Credits

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"Dolby Prologic II" only sounds good if you play it back on surround sound system with DPL.
The coefficients for downmixing are specific for specific playback environments.
DPL won't make anything sound magic or unique on a solid, simple 2.0 playback.

There are other plugins out there to play with if you want fancy audio on 2.0.
Meier Crossfield
Dolby Headphone
etc

24 bit "visually" for a lossy stream isn't much for visuals.
It's really about being precise in your edits.

"HDBR Stream Extractor" is just a front-end for eac3to, which is what is really doing all the simple work for you.
It internally decodes lossy streams at 64bit and then outputs in logical output afterward.
eac3to decodes AC3 and TrueHD using internal ffmpeg/libav libraries, for free.
DTS-HD (anything more than the DTS core), will need Arcsoft decoder to decode with bit-for-bit accuracy.
But, only v1.1.0.0 works properly for DTS decoding. Not having any Arcsoft decoder, it will default to ffmpeg/libav which will only (by nature of the code) decode only the lossy core.

It looks better because when it comes to lossy processing, it's more about frequency domain than it is about anything else.
Choosing to edit in higher bitdepth allows for more accuracy.

Audition shows more "frequency response" as with the higher bitrate it was mastered at, is louder than the lower bitrate DVD counterpart.
The DVD and BD are exactly the same formats (AC3), same sampling rate (48KHz), not sure if the same channel format (5.1), but at higher bitrates, you'll be given more volume with the more bitrate you are given.




But all in all, it looks an appropriate work flow.
Just now you don't have to call it "sorcery" when you want to explain anything.

That was very elucidative. Thanks!

I got that Arcsoft DTS decoder when I ripped the isolated score from my blu-ray of The Blue Lagoon, which is in DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0 (48kHz/24bit). Don't forget to check my thread: Thread 162313

I wouldn't call it "editing" what I did here. Merely deleting the excessive silent passages and separating the cues by number. Took me less than 10 minutes. Oh yes, I forgot. I still used the Audition to downsample to 48kHz/24bit to 44.1kHz/16bit, which visually didn't change a thing. Different from when you convert the AC3 stream directly to 16bit and not 24bit. Go figure!

Indeed, the HDBR showed that it was decoding at 64bit and downsamplig to 24bit. I sort of found that unusual. Still, it "looked" better, like I said. I tried to do rip it with another app called "DVD Audio Extractor" which can handle blu-ray disc as well. But even at 24bit, some passages were clipped and frequencies above 20kHz, which were suposed to be completely silent beacuse of the lossy compression (visually, at the spectral view, completely black), actually showed some noise, while the stream ripped with the HDBR was completely noiseless in those frequencies (meaning: completely black in the spectral view). But even if I ripped at 16bit with the HDBR, it looked better, still with a little noise. That's actually what I meant by "looking better".

But I think it's important to point that when I say it "looks" better, I mean visually only. Audibly, not a damn thing different. They all sounded the same (DVD Audio Extractor rip, HDBR rip, 16bit, 24bit, 64bit). More on that, if you ask me if I could REALLY hear the difference between the 384kbps DVD stream and the 640kbps blu-ray stream... hmmmm...

But still, if it has more frequency response, then I guess it's a more accurate presentation of the music. So, here it is... :)

I wouldn't call it "editing" what I did here. Merely deleting the excessive silent passages and separating the cues by number. Took me less than 10 minutes.

That's still editing. Not drastic editing you see here on the forum usually.
But you are importing to Audacity, changing and then exporting.
No matter how small you think the task is, it's still editing.

The point being, no matter how small your edits are, you want to do it in an accurate bit depth.
Even just downsizing to stereo, you'd want to start from a high bit depth to allow for longer calculations to get the most accuracy.


Indeed, the HDBR showed that it was decoding at 64bit and downsamplig to 24bit. I sort of found that unusual.

It's not unusual when you're working with lossy formats. If you read in the doom9 forum where eac3to is developed (not the HDBR thread, that's merely a front-end, the real science happens with eac3to -- what HDBR was designed to use), they go on talking about why eac3to processes internally at 64 floating point and then reduces in final output.

Lossy formats don't exactly have a real bit depth. It's usually bouncing around where needed.
Lossless formats have a consistent bit depths. Some may change from 24 to 20 and so forth, but use solid integers (whole numbers; not fractions).
Lossy formats work in frequeny domains (likely to use fractions for everything that's represented).
With eac3to, when you use -downStereo, it changes everything to 64 float and then calculates the output. If clipping is done and normalization is needed, it will do a 2nd pass (manditory to remove clipping; and more accurate than any normalizing you will ever do) and it will do it in 64 floating point as it's the most accurate (fractional calculations).
The final output needs only be 24 bit or 16 bit.
24 is selected to maintain all the accuracy it worked with, when you transcode to new format (wav, flac, etc).

That's why, no matter what you select with eac3to for final bit depth, it sounds better. All that precision really accounts for a lot.

DVDAE doesn't do any of this. That's why it doesn't the same or normal.
And, why I don't like nor trust it.


"DVD Audio Extractor" ...HDBR, it looked better, still with a little noise. That's actually what I meant by "looking better".

I've used DVDAE and had nothing but problems when I used it.
In several tests, it altered different channels for no reason.
I've mentioned it in a couple threads here, where ripping bluray audio is concerned.


if you ask me if I could REALLY hear the difference between the 384kbps DVD stream and the 640kbps blu-ray stream... hmmmm...

I did say the higher bitrate versions allow for more volume.
they're less compressed so more of the original data is in there.

That's very interesting! I really like those tech details. I just need more "intimacy" with them.

I have the 1999 DVD of "1941" (that noisy Steven Spielberg film from 1979), which has John Williams' isolated score (2.0 192kbps AC3). I guess I'll have to re-work that, since I ripped at 16bit with DVDAE quite some time ago (but did not share it here yet, thankfully).

I shared the 2011 LLL release here: http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/1979-john-williams-1941-2011-release-flac-132190/?highlight=
I know the LLL release is complete. But if you ask me honestly, I still prefer the DVD the sound quality (even if lossy) and the film versions of the isolated score after more than a decade listening to it. I honestly think they kind of "screwed" the LLL release. They had the original 16-track tapes with them, and they chose to mix it like the late John Neal would mix, which could be right for the 1970's technology, but not for today. Not that I'm saying it sounds like 1970's, but they could have done it much better if they had chosen to mix following their own knowlodge of how to improve audio! A missed oportunity, I would say.

A re-rip would most definitely be worth it.

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Beetlejuice (1988) Blu-Ray Isolated Soundtrack Score > Danny Elfman

Link FLAC (Lossless) Beetlejuice.zip (277,07 MB) - uploaded.net (http://uploaded.net/file/8hoyu1y2)

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