SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 03:02 AM


Many of you will probably know that the OST of 'Superman Returns' isn�t complete and that LaLaLand's version is complete yet awful (for those of you who aren�t aware of any problems, just ignore this thread). You could ask why I even offer a Deluxe Edition of my own when, compared to the complete LLL-set, I'm unable to offer any material fans of the score don�t already know. The reason is simple: my version is the best one available to anyone. This isn�t arrogance, it�s a simple fact.

Since no one reads the notes I usually write when releasing my stuff, I will embed them into a spoiler this time while the download links will be visible.

Release notes

Introduction

I did this set in the Summer of 2013. Because of the complex nature of this score and because of other reasons I took notes, otherwise I would have lost track of what I needed to do. Without these notes I wouldn�t be able to write this comment and I think that it might be an interesting read for those who care about semi-professionally produced CD sets. I fully planned on sharing my set last year but then LaLaLand announced their own set and I thought that it would be pointless then to release my - in my eyes - superfluous Deluxe Edition. After all, I fully expected LLL to offer a fabulous CD set, remastered with perfect sound and a gorgeous cover. But before I start to talk smack about LLL's version, first a few things about my set.

The lossless 'recording sessions'

When I started working on my Edition, I soon realized that the the so-called 'recording sessions' weren�t sessions at all. They were nothing more than a complete set, heavily edited using a number of sources. Among those sources were tracks that were obviously derived from the DVD (one track included sound effects like wind and crickets). Others were lossy, some parts came from the OST and the smallest amount consisted of genuine lossless recording session material. On occasion, I found all four sources combined into just one piece. And all of them were sounding different. Most of the tracks had an awful sound quality, caused by a lowpass filter that must have been applied at some point.

Working on my version

So my first task was matching all those tracks so that they would sound alike. I used an assortment of tools, chief among them an EQ and a stereo phase tool (... and it was a lot of work). After that was done, I had to alter dynamics. Some pieces were very low in volume while others were way too loud. That too took a long time to get right (for several tracks, it took me 2 days to find the best gain). The last step was of course finding an overall frequency response that augmented the score's sonics without creating new flaws.
The cover was my usual quick-and-dirty job. With one exception: I wanted to have an option that included the topic ice/crystal. I did that one myself... it doesn�t look too well, it�s just something cooler for those who like it like that.

LaLaLand's version

In December 2013, LLL released their own version. Naturally, I ordered it immediately because I was sure that it would sound superior to my set. They had Douglas Schwartz, who is a respected mastering engineer, they had the pristine session files, they had the composer adding valuable input, they even had the original mixing engineer and - of course - they had input from Warner Brothers themselves. So I expected a stellar release. Imagine my disappointment when it finally arrived... Doug Schwartz must have had several bad days, I cannot find another explanation for a remastering that sounds as hideous as LLL's Superman-set.

The set has only two advantages: the overall frequency response is well chosen (and it wisely differs from the sessions' signature) and it�s complete. Everything else is awful. The most recognizable flaw is brickwall limiting so badly done that it introduces audible errors like severe distortions and pumping artifacts. Especially the distortions are so awful that I get a headache simply from listening to it. The other end of dynamics is strange as well, low-level-sounds exhibit artifacts caused by - I assume - a Noise Gate (it�s an ancient de-noiser used before current day de-noisers became available). The purpose to use something like it must have been - assuming again - a desire to remove noise. But the actual outcome not only removed noise, it also removed the noise of the recording stage, causing something we call 'breathing artifacts'. I noticed something similar on LLL's 'The Sum Of All Fears', again mastered by Doug. It doesn�t sound well, far less artless. To add insult to injury, Mr. Schwartz didn�t even get the easiest thing right: matching dynamics and frequency response. Just listen to his version of "Dying Wish" and compare it to "To Lois' House/You're not one of them", you�re barely able to make out anything on the first piece while the latter track is way is too loud for the limited number of instruments used. Additionally, the "End Titles" have a frequency response completely different to every other track on the set, it contains much louder treble & deep bass while mids are missing (mastering is supposed to get rid of those differences).

I�m not the only one thinking that 'Superman Returns' as released by LLL isn�t worth its money, on FSM and its 'Superman Returns' related thread you can find one person criticizing it in a similar way. IMO she made the error of using words too harsh for a commercially oriented forum (besides mastering-related assumptions that were wrong) with the result that MV Gerhard revealed himself to be an ignorant fool, stating, "If you don�t like our releases, don�t buy them". This is of course not the way to react towards potential customers. Someone else chimed in to say that they don�t load waveforms up to have a look at them. Well, what do those persons think a mastering engineer does? A mastering engineer working only with his/her ears is much more prone to achieve any desired effect by chance only, not by making a conscious choice based on assessing actual errors any session might have. But I digress. Since then, several people have desired a remastered version sounding better than the LLL version (at FFShrine at least). Today, their wish will become true.

BTW, I augmented my set some months ago with one track from the LLL-release: I took the 'End Titles' and replaced my version with it for the simple reason that it�s the better piece. Naturally, I matched it sonically (and thank God, it didn�t have Loudness-War artifacts!).


My 'Loudness-War-LaLaLand-remembrance-edition'

In order to show LLL (and Doug Schwartz) how a Loudness War release is done properly, I have prepared my very own version for all of you people to laugh at. I don�t offer it together with the links at the end of this page because I believe that people shouldn�t listen to it. It�s awful, really. You should not listen to it for extended amounts of time. The sound is hissy and flat; while I succeeded in introducing less distortions than LLL's set, I still couldn�t avoid them completely. So use at your own risk.

Share Loudness War Edition:
Download links for ItsACrashedPlane_.rar - Mirrorcreator - Upload files to multiple hosts (http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/1PUVGGE8/ItsACrashedPlane_.rar_links)



The mp3 version below is for those people who always want mp3, no matter what. It�s a mistake encoding it to mp3 since parts of the 'sessions' were lossy already. But I know that people will do it anyway so I figured I just do it for them, using the best settings available. Now a warning: my set isn�t complete. I�ve deleted one track, it just didn�t fit in. And as usual, I�ve crossfaded tracks. For those of you who seek 30-seconds short tracks and don�t care about the listening experience... well, my set isn�t for you. You will have to look elsewhere. But for everyone else looking for a version of 'Superman Returns' featuring superior sound quality and improved crossfades in addition to several covers to choose from, just use my version I offer today.

Have fun! :)

Tracklist:

Disc One

1. The Planet Krypton 1:07 2. Main Title 2:47 3. Dying Wish 2:36
4. Tell Me Everything 5:45 5. Memories 3:15 6. Things Have Changed 1:40
7. Ripple Effect 3:10 8. Flying: The Safest Way To Travel 6:46 9. He‘s Back! 1:36
10. Eavesdropping 1:19 11. You‘re Not One Of Them 2:55 12. Bank Job 3:13
13. Kitty Decoy 4:36 14. Little Secrets 1:34 15. How Could You Leave Us? 7:02
16. Lex‘s Lair 2:45 17. Not Like The Train Set 6:11

Disc Two

1. Who To Save? 2:58 2. Metropolis Mayhem 3:58
3. A Beautiful Day On The Sea 5:43 4. So Long, Superman 7:04
5. Rescuing The Man Of Steel 5:23 6. Saving The World 6:11
7. In The Hand Of Mortals 1:14 8. Family Unit 5:17 9. Parting Words 4:05
10. Reprise / Fly Away 4:14 11. End Titles 3:56 12. Genesis Project (Source) 1:12
13. Like Sea Monkey (Source) 4:36 14. Chop Sticks (Source) 0:40
15. Martha‘s Radio (Source) 1:08 16. Baseball Fanfare (unused) 0:22
17. Prelude and Main Title (Original Version) 4:01

AND NOW A WARNING:

Once the links expire, I won�t upload it again, someone else has to do that (maybe by creating mirrors?)


Share flac:
http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/82P9JKIA/ItsAPlane_.part1.rar_links
http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/GHHYZSCB/ItsAPlane_.part2.rar_links
http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/1ZJFK2UK/ItsAPlane_.part3.rar_links
http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/0KO0FF3O/ItsAPlane_.part4.rar_links

Share mp3:
http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/TAUWY3TX/ItsALesserPlane_.part1.rar_links
http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/7PFJ3RHO/ItsALesserPlane_.part2.rar_links

Pass:
Krrrrrrryptonite!

Machionic
09-16-2014, 03:14 AM
Sonic, thank you! A great one you shared.

Amanda
09-16-2014, 03:16 AM
Thanks. Perhaps now I can slog through it. :) I will up a link to Mega for the mp3 if wanted. I may do the flac, but later.

miggyb
09-16-2014, 03:31 AM
Thanks Sonic! I'm one of those a-holes who always converts to 320 immediately. It's purely about storage space :) Can't wait to listen to this one!

Sputnik84
09-16-2014, 03:35 AM
Interesting, I'm curious to hear both versions but I'll probably avoid the loudness war edition after the first minute or so.

Which Doctor?
09-16-2014, 03:41 AM
Thanks Sonic!

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 03:42 AM
Thanks Sonic! I'm one of those a-holes who always converts to 320 immediately. It's purely about storage space :) Can't wait to listen to this one!

Really? But harddrives are so cheap nowadays... even for portable players something like 32 GB is pretty much the standard right now.

milk2cheesea
09-16-2014, 03:48 AM
my brain is just flipping over the fact that Sonic did a "deluxe" to this. Holy #!&*%@!!* balls!

miggyb
09-16-2014, 03:50 AM
Really? But harddrives are so cheap nowadays... even for portable players something like 32 GB is pretty much the standard right now.

I'm sure I'll be a FLAC convert before too long... always moving in that direction.

(I also stream my collection from Amazon Cloud Player on a daily basis. It takes long enough to upload files even at 320!)

Kolpitz
09-16-2014, 04:00 AM
You spoil us, Sonic, and with "Deluxe Edition" banners on the covers, to boot. My crazy OCD will be so pleased. ;-) Funnily enough, I picked the ice variant as my favorite cover before reading your explanation of it.

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 04:12 AM
I'm sure I'll be a FLAC convert before too long... always moving in that direction.

(I also stream my collection from Amazon Cloud Player on a daily basis. It takes long enough to upload files even at 320!)

Ah, that explains it then. My friends often say to me "You�re on audio buff, why don�t you stream your music to your smartphone?" to which I always answer that I will stream once open source, HiRes streaming via online cloud services becomes available :D

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You spoil us, Sonic, and with "Deluxe Edition" banners on the covers, to boot. My crazy OCD will be so pleased. ;-) Funnily enough, I picked the ice variant as my favorite cover before reading your explanation of it.

I think I�ll call you 'Monk' :)

But you�re lucky, as usual I cannot decide which cover to use. And I�ve almost had a year to decide!

Kolpitz
09-16-2014, 04:17 AM
I think I�ll call you 'Monk' :)


I can live with that. Loved that show.

On a side note, what are your thoughts on converting FLAC to ALAC or AIFF? Is one better than the other? The same? Do you lose anything from a "sideways" conversion like that?

miggyb
09-16-2014, 04:23 AM
Ah, that explains it then. My friends often say to me "You�re on audio buff, why don�t you stream your music to your smartphone?" to which I always answer that I will stream once open source, HiRes streaming via online cloud services becomes available :D

Yeah... I stream because I have 250k song storage and an unlimited data plan I will never give up, but I back up everything physically too.

Krafty
09-16-2014, 04:30 AM
Look in the sky! It's a bird, it's a plane, it's Sonic! I always read the 411 on the releases and as usual you have your s#!t together! Another La-La-Land being dumped (The Fury was first for your version and OH how I wish something could be done with Hook) for the SUPERior sounding release :)

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 04:43 AM
I can live with that. Loved that show.

On a side note, what are your thoughts on converting FLAC to ALAC or AIFF? Is one better than the other? The same? Do you lose anything from a "sideways" conversion like that?

FLAC, ALAC or AIFF are three methods for storing audio without loss. FLAC uses compression like ZIP or RAR, meaning, it doesn�t take anything away. ALAC is fairly similar with the exception that it was developed by Apple and is trademarked by them. FLAC on the other hand is open source. AIFF is the Apple pendant what on Windows is WAVE. Since they all are lossless, you wouldn�t lose anything by transcoding them to each other.

EDIT: whoops, ALAC started as a proprietary format but it has been open source for a few years now. So depending on what products you buy, you can either use ALAC (for iPad, iPhone, etc.) or FLAC (for Android smartphones for example... and for almost everything else).

Personally, I would always go for FLAC since it�s the most compatible losslessly compressing format.

Kaolin
09-16-2014, 04:45 AM
Thank you, Sonic!

steve245
09-16-2014, 05:03 AM
Always nice to get one of your Deluxe treatments. Thank you very much.

liveorletdie
09-16-2014, 05:42 AM
As always, much obliged!!

amh1219
09-16-2014, 06:48 AM
Goodbye LLL rip, hello deluxe edition!


You spoil us, Sonic, and with "Deluxe Edition" banners on the covers, to boot. My crazy OCD will be so pleased. ;-)

Haha, you're not the only one. Tis a great batch of covers to begin with!

Fjnanfag
09-16-2014, 07:09 AM
Thanks Sonic.

I guess this makes my single choice vote in the request thread obsolete and will require editing.

Regards.

T4oS
09-16-2014, 07:13 AM
Thank you so much Sonic for this another awesome Deluxe Edition.

rocklegend
09-16-2014, 08:11 AM
Goodbye Brickwalled abomination LLL release.... Hello Sonic�s version ;)

corysun
09-16-2014, 08:33 AM
Thank you in advance.

marek666
09-16-2014, 08:42 AM
Thanks. Perhaps now I can slog through it. :) I will up a link to Mega for the mp3 if wanted. I may do the flac, but later.

Yes, should be cool :) Thanks Sonic, as usual you enlight my day !

rocklegend
09-16-2014, 09:06 AM
May I ask Sonic what track is not presented or deleted from your deluxe editions

the marvin
09-16-2014, 09:39 AM
Thanks! Great Job!

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 02:33 PM
Thanks Sonic.

I guess this makes my single choice vote in the request thread obsolete and will require editing.

Regards.

Yes, it will require editing ;)

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May I ask Sonic what track is not presented or deleted from your deluxe editions

I called it "Here for a reason / Daily Planet". It would have come right between "Memories" and "Things have changed". On the LLL set it�s called "Put here for a reason / The world keeps spinning / Closet Case / Daily Planet". The track containing sound effects was "The world keeps spinning" (if I remember correctly).

Faleel
09-16-2014, 02:45 PM
Does this include all the choir pieces not on the LLL?

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 02:49 PM
Does this include all the choir pieces not on the LLL?

Nope, it doesn�t. Those were only excerpts and not complete pieces. The choir was not enough to keep them. I thought about keeping the Main Title... but the choir was only at the beginning and so I erased it.

Faleel
09-16-2014, 02:54 PM
Nope, it doesn�t. Those were only excerpts and not complete pieces.

But... you could have just edited them into the the main program, as it most likely was supposed to be there, but was dropped from the film mix so as not to interfere with the dialogue and sfx, right?

But on the other hand, In the end it is your edit, and no one can tell you what to include.

Kolpitz
09-16-2014, 03:09 PM
FLAC, ALAC or AIFF are three methods for storing audio without loss. FLAC uses compression like ZIP or RAR, meaning, it doesn�t take anything away. ALAC is fairly similar with the exception that it was developed by Apple and is trademarked by them. FLAC on the other hand is open source. AIFF is the Apple pendant what on Windows is WAVE. Since they all are lossless, you wouldn�t lose anything by transcoding them to each other.

EDIT: whoops, ALAC started as a proprietary format but it has been open source for a few years now. So depending on what products you buy, you can either use ALAC (for iPad, iPhone, etc.) or FLAC (for Android smartphones for example... and for almost everything else).

Personally, I would always go for FLAC since it�s the most compatible losslessly compressing format.

I have an iPod, so I have to convert them to ALAC or AIFF if I want lossless.

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 03:10 PM
But... you could have just edited them into the the main program, as it most likely was supposed to be there, but was dropped from the film mix so as not to interfere with the dialogue and sfx, right?

But on the other hand, In the end it is your edit, and no one can tell you what to include.

As I understood it, John Ottman didn�t really intend it to be used. He offered it so that Bryan Singer could choose from several pieces and decide on their usage late in the production process. Apart from the choir, the composition itself was unchanged and so it was gone.

Soundtrack mixing for movies isn�t in need of mixing for mono compatibility anymore, simply because only an extremely small number of people still use monoaural TV sets. Those were the reasons for the soundtrack mixing engineer to consider choir (music in general) as disturbing interference for dialogue scenes. Superman Returns was produced with surround sets / cinema installations in mind (you can hear that clearly as the soundtrack mix of the movie is highly dynamic and engaging).

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I have an iPod, so I have to convert them to ALAC or AIFF if I want lossless.

You poor dear ;)

Faleel
09-16-2014, 03:13 PM
Soundtrack mixing for movies isn�t in need of mixing for mono compatibility anymore, simply because only an extremely small number of people still use monoaural TV sets. Those were the reasons for the soundtrack mixing engineer to consider choir (music in general) as disturbing interference for dialogue scenes. Superman Returns was produced with surround sets / cinema installations in mind (you can hear that clearly as the soundtrack mix of the movie is highly dynamic and engaging)

While that is true, I don't completely think that they don't consider the dialogue and SFX anymore, look at the LOTR movies, a lot of choir and instruments were dialed out to reduce busyness/interference with the audience.

dconline
09-16-2014, 03:22 PM
Don't want to disturb the conversation but simply wanted to congratulate SoniAdventure on another great release. Keep up the great work and looking forward to hear more... always!

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 03:29 PM
While that is true, I don't completely think that they don't consider the dialogue and SFX anymore, look at the LOTR movies, a lot of choir and instruments were dialed out to reduce busyness/interference with the audience.

I compared it to the situation from 30-40 years ago where they had to decide on putting the piano towards the center or left or right. With a full orchestra, it�s still problematic of course, especially if the composer prefers a 'wall of sound' (like early Elfman-scores). Those scores are hated by mixing engineers because they are too dense. Which means that they need to be dialed down (a good example are the film stems for 'Hook' as found on LLL's set). And sometimes, choir or individual instruments need to be dialed down because they just don�t fit the scene as imagined when composing the music. The reasons are numerous - but making the music less complex because of dialogues/SFX isn�t the most required action anymore.

LOTR is a good example. Compare it to the Hobbit and you�ll find the mix of the newer movies to be less concerned with the music. The music as a whole seems lower in volume compared to - especially - Fellowship. There is less dialing out individual parts, lowering the overall gain now does the trick.

LeSamourai
09-16-2014, 03:30 PM
Thanks, Sonic!

Minnasan
09-16-2014, 03:35 PM
Thank you for another deluxe edition! I even downloaded the "Loudness-War" to compare it with LLL and your set hahaha

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 03:36 PM
Thank you for another deluxe edition! I even downloaded the "Loudness-War" to compare it with LLL and your set hahaha

And? What did you think about the Loudness War version?

raybond
09-16-2014, 03:48 PM
Thanks Sonic. I was not aware of he issues with the LLL set. But I have yet to be disappointed with one of your releases.

Faleel
09-16-2014, 04:02 PM
There is less dialing out individual parts, lowering the overall gain now does the trick.

But of course there are still cases of this, for instance, during the Flashback to Azog in AUJ, some of the Choir has been removed.

Minnasan
09-16-2014, 04:18 PM
And? What did you think about the Loudness War version?

It's indeed horrible... I must say that for some tracks I even prefer the LLL set that the Loudness War, like "Saving the World" (one of my pieces of test): i listened first to LLL track, later yours, then Loudness (I couldn't even finished), and again to your deluxe (to remove the bad sound in my head).

c�d�master88
09-16-2014, 04:19 PM
Thanks for this! I had missed a lot of the chat about the terrible mastering for the LLLR album but found the sound terrible personally so resorted to sticking with the "sessions". I'd been wanting to do this for a while but glad you did.

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 04:22 PM
It's indeed horrible... I must say that for some tracks I even prefer the LLL set that the Loudness War, like "Saving the World" (one of my pieces of test): i listened first to LLL track, later yours, then Loudness (I couldn't even finished), and again to your deluxe (to remove the bad sound in my head).

I thought that some people even might prefer LLLs version, the distortion create the impression of having more treble which usually sounds more attractive for the first 5 minutes (after that, it starts to get tiresome).

Crossbones
09-16-2014, 04:25 PM
Cant wait to hear this awesome sounding mastering version of yours!, thanks!!!

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 04:25 PM
Thanks for this! I had missed a lot of the chat about the terrible mastering for the LLLR album but found the sound terrible personally so resorted to sticking with the "sessions". I'd been wanting to do this for a while but glad you did.

I understand the hesitation, it was indeed a lot of work. Enjoy it :)

vje11
09-16-2014, 04:38 PM
Thanks a lot sonic ;-)

c�d�master88
09-16-2014, 04:41 PM
"Bank Job" does not appear to be the complete cue. The section from 1:19 to 1:21 is extended on the complete score by a couple of seconds. This edition uses the original album edit. Other than that, the set is nice and like SA claims is the best sounding one around.

frankieho
09-16-2014, 04:44 PM
Thanks sonic, You're always great!!!

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 04:57 PM
"Bank Job" does not appear to be the complete cue. The section from 1:19 to 1:21 is extended on the complete score by a couple of seconds. This edition uses the original album edit. Other than that, the set is nice and like SA claims is the best sounding one around.

Didn�t know that. However, these few seconds are not all-important, are they ;) But "Bank Job" is not the OST edit in its entirety - starting at 1:34 (to 2:10 or so), something new that wasn�t on the OST has been added.

BTW, I intentionally erased something else: the last seconds on my version of "Not Like The Train Set" are missing, they felt tacked on to me. In case you�re wondering.

Faleel
09-16-2014, 05:08 PM
Didn�t know that. However, these few seconds are not all-important, are they ;)

Its part of the musical story... ;)

thw2
09-16-2014, 05:33 PM
Awesome. Many thanks!

marek666
09-16-2014, 07:54 PM
Sonic, I think there's a problem with the mp3 links, I tried a couple of servers and the files are corrupted, can't extract because of an error with "So Long Superman"... Any others had this problem ?

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 08:01 PM
Sonic, I think there's a problem with the mp3 links, I tried a couple of servers and the files are corrupted, can't extract because of an error with "So Long Superman"... Any others had this problem ?

I downloaded it myself and extracted it without problems.

Oh wait... are you on a Mac?

marek666
09-16-2014, 08:06 PM
No, PC... May be it's my internet connection... Which server did you use ? I tried Anon and another one.

SonicAdventure
09-16-2014, 09:27 PM
No, PC... May be it's my internet connection... Which server did you use ? I tried Anon and another one.

Not a Mac... I sure was thinking it was that. I used Gamefront (and I used the software JDownloader).

kooke
09-16-2014, 09:47 PM
Cool, you did your magic again. I had listened to this album before, trying to perceive problems, and some parts had made me think on the damaged sound of low-quality lossy audio. It was not like that all the time, but I often found something unpleasant and somehow "spread" that reminded me of the grindy sound of cymbals and acute strings from bad mp3. This didn't happen just with those high-pitched timbers, but there was something that messy in other moments of complex sound, and it may be related to the distortions you mentioned.

I didn't have such impressions of harsh and undefined while listening to your set. Instead it's like you pressed some DSP button (S for soap) to polish this, because to me it's a cleaner listen that allows me to focus more of the attention in the music. Probably good audio editing is like good film music in the sense that it makes a difference without being neccesarily apparent for non-experts, and for me that's the case. When playing both sets in shuffle mode I am not conscious of all the improved aspects in your tracks, but for me the listen and the aftertaste(*) is better with them.

(*) It was fun to realize that one.


Since no one reads the notes I usually write when releasing my stuff, I will embed them into a spoiler this time while the download links will be visible.

I'm sure many of us are interested in those notes, read every word of them and some of us even laugh sometimes. If that was aimed to shorten future notes, it failed. ;)

As always, thanks for all.

Creativeawesome
09-16-2014, 11:30 PM
Thanks :)

Crossbones
09-16-2014, 11:46 PM
....

Problems fixed. Thanks again Sonic!

stardragon978
09-17-2014, 12:25 AM
Many thanks for posting this, Sonic.

fargo_viper
09-17-2014, 12:26 AM
Fantastic stuff. Thanks, buddy

SonicAdventure
09-17-2014, 03:00 AM
Cool, you did your magic again. I had listened to this album before, trying to perceive problems, and some parts had made me think on the damaged sound of low-quality lossy audio. It was not like that all the time, but I often found something unpleasant and somehow "spread" that reminded me of the grindy sound of cymbals and acute strings from bad mp3. This didn't happen just with those high-pitched timbers, but there was something that messy in other moments of complex sound, and it may be related to the distortions you mentioned.

Even badly encoded lossy audio doesn�t sound like this, those distortions are usually caused by broken audio equipment. On Superman Returns however they must have imagined them to be a feature.


I didn't have such impressions of harsh and undefined while listening to your set. Instead it's like you pressed some DSP button (S for soap) to polish this, because to me it's a cleaner listen that allows me to focus more of the attention in the music. Probably good audio editing is like good film music in the sense that it makes a difference without being neccesarily apparent for non-experts, and for me that's the case. When playing both sets in shuffle mode I am not conscious of all the improved aspects in your tracks, but for me the listen and the aftertaste(*) is better with them.

No wonder, I didn�t use LLLs set (except for the "End Titles") and the 'sessions' didn�t suffer from those problems. And oh, I�ve wished for years to have some magic button called 'PerfectSoundTM'. It doesn�t exist (and it probably will never ever exist). But you�re right about one thing: audio processing/editing should be inaudible for those who are here to enjoy the music. It should just sound well. Without anyone noticing the work behind it. And if my work provides a listening experience lacking any fatigue, then I�m happy.

zortech_00
09-17-2014, 06:53 AM
I've listened to so many versions of this score (including the LLL edition). I can't wait to dive into this, thank you!

Amanda
09-17-2014, 08:05 AM
As stated, here is Sonic's mp3 set re-uploaded to Mega:



https://mega.co.nz/#!F88EgbCB!JAWiHGzsvkLp_NjR_3nKwOE8IhyL0MJXBFPjwPw d7TQ

I have not downloaded the flac links yet, but will try to get mirrors for them. No promises.

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Sonic, I think there's a problem with the mp3 links, I tried a couple of servers and the files are corrupted, can't extract because of an error with "So Long Superman"... Any others had this problem ?

I used Gamefront, which allowed me to dl both parts simultaneously. No problems, and extracted fine.

SonicAdventure
09-17-2014, 02:40 PM
As stated, here is Sonic's mp3 set re-uploaded to Mega:



I have not downloaded the flac links yet, but will try to get mirrors for them. No promises.

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I used Gamefront, which allowed me to dl both parts simultaneously. No problems, and extracted fine.

You marvellous woman!

marek666
09-18-2014, 01:45 AM
Well, thanks to Amanda I succeed with Mega, thanks Amanda (or may be you are Emily Thorne) ! :)
And, Sonic, you did a great job. All is fixed at last. LLL's THE FURY had also some problems (on the film score CD), the Blu-ray iso score sounds much better. An I'm not really satisfied with Empire of the Sun, compared to the original OST. Not to mention Hook. And yes, I use 320 because it takes less space, but I'm more and more a wav/FLAC fan.

Artistikos
09-18-2014, 02:29 PM
What a fantastic present that is! Many thanks SonicAdventure!

G
09-18-2014, 02:49 PM
Thanks

soundguy28
11-04-2014, 11:19 PM
I'm flabbergasted by the work you put in. Thanks!

Soundtracker2010
11-05-2014, 06:32 PM
Anyone out there willing to re-up the links for mp3? Everything is gone.

Cpt Rex Kramer
11-05-2014, 09:59 PM
Anyone out there willing to re-up the links for mp3? Everything is gone.

Try the link posted by Amanda a few post above. It still works.
My thanks to Amanda, for re-uping the original post. And a big thanks to SonicAdventure for his work not only on this score, but for all the Deluxe Editions he's been putting out over the months. It's greatly appreciated by all!

JuniorF
11-07-2014, 04:22 AM
Thanks SA! Appreciate all the work you put into this!

scorecrazy69
12-08-2014, 11:01 PM
Ugh. Can't believe I missed this. Would anyone be willing to re-up one of the versions? Mp3 is fine with me. I'd greatly appreciate it and would be totally willing to make sure it stays re-upped in the future. Thanks! Fingers crossed...

DaUpp
12-08-2014, 11:11 PM
Ugh. Can't believe I missed this. Would anyone be willing to re-up one of the versions? Mp3 is fine with me. I'd greatly appreciate it and would be totally willing to make sure it stays re-upped in the future. Thanks! Fingers crossed...

I�ve missed this one too, don�t know why, I`ve always appreciated.the work of SonicAdventure but I would prefer a lossless link, so if someone would be so kind and could re-up it! :-)

I own a La-La Land copy of that one so this must be enough till I can hear this one! :-D

AFMG
12-09-2014, 01:38 AM
Thank you very much, amazing work.

soundtrekker
12-09-2014, 01:42 PM
Ugh. Can't believe I missed this. Would anyone be willing to re-up one of the versions? Mp3 is fine with me. I'd greatly appreciate it and would be totally willing to make sure it stays re-upped in the future. Thanks! Fingers crossed...
scorecrazy (and DaUpp), try the solidfiles links from SonicAdventure's own mirrorcreator (FLAC), they are still working (I just tried them)! Don't use jdownloader, though, the plugin is defect. You have to download the files using your browser!
IMPORTANT: when downloading from solidfiles, you must not click the green "download" button on the final page (how alluring it might be!), but rather the much smaller "Direct download link" below!!

If you have problems, p.m. me, and we'll find a solution! :)

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Oh, I almost forgot (shame on me): THANKS, SonicAdventure, for yet another great remastering effort - much appreciated, what you are doing here! :)

Amanda
12-09-2014, 01:48 PM
Soundtrekker, solidfiles is dead as is my link, and I have misplaced my copy. Any chance for some help?

soundtrekker
12-09-2014, 02:24 PM
...

scorecrazy69
12-10-2014, 03:32 AM
Thanks, Soundtrekker! I super appreciate you doing this!

Amanda
12-10-2014, 04:11 AM
Indeed, thank you very much!

cheldo
03-19-2015, 10:06 PM
Hello! Could anyone, by any chance, re-upload to MEGA since Amanda's file is off?

cheldo
03-25-2015, 05:32 PM
.

scorecrazy69
05-13-2015, 05:36 AM
Since I appreciate SonicAdventure's efforts so much, I want to try and help keep them available for people. Here's a MEGA (https://mega.co.nz/#!LZlmAShL!fid-P1rihd68i_6IVkPFw52pcRAfHIl1W2Q1oicy6b8) link for anyone needing this. Please give likes and reps to SonicAdventure first and foremost. Me too if you're feeling really generous. Cheers!

edit:

AAUUGGHH!! I forgot to supply the password. Sorry about that! Here you go:
password: notmanofsteel

Dave999
05-13-2015, 11:29 AM
Since I appreciate SonicAdventure's efforts so much, I want to try and help keep them available for people. Here's a MEGA (https://mega.co.nz/#!LZlmAShL!fid-P1rihd68i_6IVkPFw52pcRAfHIl1W2Q1oicy6b8) link for anyone needing this. Please give likes and reps to SonicAdventure first and foremost. Me too if you're feeling really generous. Cheers!

Likes and rep given! :) But what is the password? I tried Krrrrrrryptonite! from Sonic's original post but that doesn't work, nor does 'F1708', 'scorecrazy69' or 'SonicAdventure'. Suggestions? :)

Brozza
05-13-2015, 02:29 PM
Likes and rep given! :) But what is the password? I tried Krrrrrrryptonite! from Sonic's original post but that doesn't work, nor does 'F1708', 'scorecrazy69' or 'SonicAdventure'. Suggestions? :)

Yes, please. Those passwords don't work for me, either.

priestess99
05-15-2015, 09:56 AM
I hate to add my voice to the mix, but I can't make the password either. Poop.

soundtrekker
05-15-2015, 12:17 PM
Here is a new upload, this time password free:

Superman Returns (Deluxe Edition by SonicAdventure) / John Ottman / 2 CD / FLAC / multiple custom covers included

JO_SR_SA-Edit.part1.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/yrpHT3Lc/file.html)
JO_SR_SA-Edit.part2.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/t4k3yr9a/file.html)
JO_SR_SA-Edit.part3.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/pMhKZsBf/file.html)
JO_SR_SA-Edit.part4.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/ag0FXY9Z/file.html)

James P.Sullivan
05-15-2015, 12:37 PM
Hey Sonic! Wow, this looks fantastic as usual. I watched the film for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and I must say, it was really boring. I almost fell asleep a couple of times. Literally. Admitedly, it was very late, but anyone who knows me even a little knows I never sleep during a good movie. Because of that, I haven't bothered giving Ottman's score a chance. I think that might just change...

Thanks for your release notes, too. I always enjoy reading how things were put together. So are you saying the legit sessions haven't actually leaked yet?

Fantastic covers too. Did you design them all?

Oh and one more thing, which cue did you leave out? Why didn't it fit in? Also, just because I like my scores to be in their original format (30-second cues included) doesn't mean I don't care about the listening experience - it just means that I care equally about the film itself. Which, in this case, might not be that much, but usually it is. :p

SonicAdventure
05-15-2015, 07:32 PM
Hey Sonic! Wow, this looks fantastic as usual. I watched the film for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and I must say, it was really boring. I almost fell asleep a couple of times. Literally. Admitedly, it was very late, but anyone who knows me even a little knows I never sleep during a good movie. Because of that, I haven't bothered giving Ottman's score a chance. I think that might just change...

Interesting. I�ve always preferred this movie to MOS, there just seems to be more... don�t know... heart in it.


Thanks for your release notes, too. I always enjoy reading how things were put together. So are you saying the legit sessions haven't actually leaked yet?

If the stuff that leaked are really the sessions, then I�m the Pope. Some parts of it must have come from session material, but most parts were already edited from different sources, including the DVD (judging by the typical 19 kHz cutoff for AC3). The track I�ve deleted for example contains sound effects (wind, crickets). The tracks from the OST were spliced and augmented by pieces coming either from the sessions or something else. So no, someone worked on it and as usual didn�t bother to correct frequency differences. Maybe even more than one person tried to 'improve' it. And utterly failed, of course.


Fantastic covers too. Did you design them all?

Well, 'design' is an expression that goes too far. I used several original poster designs, stills and screenshots and added fonts (Trajan, of all things!). That�s basically it. The only design that has an ounce of creativity is the ice-based one, that one contains almost no original design artwork.


Oh and one more thing, which cue did you leave out? Why didn't it fit in? Also, just because I like my scores to be in their original format (30-second cues included) doesn't mean I don't care about the listening experience - it just means that I care equally about the film itself. Which, in this case, might not be that much, but usually it is. :p

The track I left out at the last minute is called "Put here for a reason / Daily Planet". It a) contained sound effects and b) sounded like an alien element within the context of the rest of the score. It just didn�t fit, therefore I erased it.

Try it out yourself, it should come right inbetween 05. "Memories" & 06. "Things have changed" (turning No. 06 into 07, etc.):

Zippyshare.com - 06. Put Here For A Reason - Daily Planet.flac (http://www43.zippyshare.com/v/HJCYK7av/file.html)

scorecrazy69
05-15-2015, 08:37 PM
Likes and rep given! :) But what is the password? I tried Krrrrrrryptonite! from Sonic's original post but that doesn't work, nor does 'F1708', 'scorecrazy69' or 'SonicAdventure'. Suggestions? :)

Sorry about that! I added the password to my post (#82).

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Yes, please. Those passwords don't work for me, either.

Sorry! I added it to my post (#82).

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I hate to add my voice to the mix, but I can't make the password either. Poop.


Sorry! Updated my post (#82) with password.

rocklegend
05-15-2015, 08:46 PM
Interesting. I�ve always preferred this movie to MOS, there just seems to be more... don�t know... heart in it.



If the stuff that leaked are really the sessions, then I�m the Pope. Some parts of it must have come from session material, but most parts were already edited from different sources, including the DVD (judging by the typical 19 kHz cutoff for AC3). The track I�ve deleted for example contains sound effects (wind, crickets). The tracks from the OST were spliced and augmented by pieces coming either from the sessions or something else. So no, someone worked on it and as usual didn�t bother to correct frequency differences. Maybe even more than one person tried to 'improve' it. And utterly failed, of course.



Well, 'design' is an expression that goes too far. I used several original poster designs, stills and screenshots and added fonts (Trajan, of all things!). That�s basically it. The only design that has an ounce of creativity is the ice-based one, that one contains almost no original design artwork.



The track I left out at the last minute is called "Put here for a reason / Daily Planet". It a) contained sound effects and b) sounded like an alien element within the context of the rest of the score. It just didn�t fit, therefore I erased it.

Try it out yourself, it should come right inbetween 05. "Memories" & 06. "Things have changed" (turning No. 06 into 07, etc.):

Zippyshare.com - 06. Put Here For A Reason - Daily Planet.flac (http://www43.zippyshare.com/v/HJCYK7av/file.html)

I agree. MOS was an awful film... wasn�t a Superman movie but an Alien invasion movie with someone pretending to be Superman ;) ... I love Superman Returns.... with themes of Loneliness, Alienation, and Struggle, fantastically executed .... nothing in MOS can compete with the sheer awesomeness of the Plane sequence .....Awe-dropping..... MOS was written by a Hack and was directed by a soulless dour director and was scored by another Hack ;) .... My only problem with Returns is Boswell as Lois Lane..... and if I remember correctly she wasn�t Singers choice.... It�s funny that Singers sequel to Returns was supposed to be called Moan Of Steel.... would�ve preferred to see another Supes movie with Routh as Supes... really thought he was great.... esp as I�ve been reading Superman Comics for nigh on 45yrs..... I really fear for Batman V Superman ......

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Hey Sonic! Wow, this looks fantastic as usual. I watched the film for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and I must say, it was really boring. I almost fell asleep a couple of times. Literally. Admitedly, it was very late, but anyone who knows me even a little knows I never sleep during a good movie. Because of that, I haven't bothered giving Ottman's score a chance. I think that might just change...

Thanks for your release notes, too. I always enjoy reading how things were put together. So are you saying the legit sessions haven't actually leaked yet?

Fantastic covers too. Did you design them all?

Oh and one more thing, which cue did you leave out? Why didn't it fit in? Also, just because I like my scores to be in their original format (30-second cues included) doesn't mean I don't care about the listening experience - it just means that I care equally about the film itself. Which, in this case, might not be that much, but usually it is. :p

Returns is a great movie... it has great themes and maybe you�ll understand it when you�re older..... MOS is all style over substances and imo is an awful film... pure Garbage .... Whereas Returns is the opposite....

scorecrazy69
05-15-2015, 08:58 PM
Hey Sonic! Wow, this looks fantastic as usual. I watched the film for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and I must say, it was really boring. I almost fell asleep a couple of times. Literally. Admitedly, it was very late, but anyone who knows me even a little knows I never sleep during a good movie. Because of that, I haven't bothered giving Ottman's score a chance. I think that might just change...

James, whatever one thinks of Superman Returns, Ottman's score is great. He faithfully used all of Williams's main themes, with the exception of Luthor's, which makes a kind of sense - new actor in the role, new theme music. Ottman's additions fit really well with Williams's work. I love it, personally. Even if you never watched Superman Returns, you could enjoy Ottman's score as a supplemental addition to Williams's scores, much like McNeeley's Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire.

John Williams has always been my favorite composer and as much as I love some of the modern guys working (like John Powell), I'm always a little sad that no one really attempts to create new scores that follow in Williams's footsteps (to me no one seems able to create the same richness of sound, playing the strings and horns against one another the way Williams regularly does). Because of this, it's really fun (for me) when someone steps up to the plate and creates music to fit within the body of Williams's work. I think McNeeley and Ottman both did an amazing job and I highly recommend this score (any and all versions, but obviously this version, haha).

rocklegend
05-15-2015, 09:57 PM
James, whatever one thinks of Superman Returns, Ottman's score is great. He faithfully used all of Williams's main themes, with the exception of Luthor's, which makes a kind of sense - new actor in the role, new theme music. Ottman's additions fit really well with Williams's work. I love it, personally. Even if you never watched Superman Returns, you could enjoy Ottman's score as a supplemental addition to Williams's scores, much like McNeeley's Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire.

John Williams has always been my favorite composer and as much as I love some of the modern guys working (like John Powell), I'm always a little sad that no one really attempts to create new scores that follow in Williams's footsteps (to me no one seems able to create the same richness of sound, playing the strings and horns against one another the way Williams regularly does). Because of this, it's really fun (for me) when someone steps up to the plate and creates music to fit within the body of Williams's work. I think McNeeley and Ottman both did an amazing job and I highly recommend this score (any and all versions, but obviously this version, haha).


The days of Williams writing a score like Superman again are long gone.... even his Star Wars prequel score bare very little to the Original scores .... I�m hoping JJ can get that old magic....Lucas sucked the life outta Williams for the Prequels even though Williams scores for those movies were awesome....esp.. ROTS.... from what I understand is that Williams never really wrote a theme for Luthor..... the March of the Villians is actually Otis�s theme ;)

symetrisg
05-15-2015, 10:16 PM
can someone please upload this to mega?

scorecrazy69
05-15-2015, 11:36 PM
The days of Williams writing a score like Superman again are long gone.... even his Star Wars prequel score bare very little to the Original scores .... I�m hoping JJ can get that old magic....Lucas sucked the life outta Williams for the Prequels even though Williams scores for those movies were awesome....esp.. ROTS.... from what I understand is that Williams never really wrote a theme for Luthor..... the March of the Villians is actually Otis�s theme ;)

Makes sense that March of the Villains is really Otis's theme. Too silly to be Luthor's theme. I still love the piece, but it's not exactly menacing. Whatever, it sure worked in the film.

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can someone please upload this to mega?

Try reading through the thread.

symetrisg
05-16-2015, 12:49 AM
damn, all the links are dead :(

scorecrazy69
05-16-2015, 02:28 AM
damn, all the links are dead :(

No they're not. Try reading through the thread.

SonicAdventure
05-16-2015, 03:20 AM
I agree. MOS was an awful film... wasn�t a Superman movie but an Alien invasion movie with someone pretending to be Superman ;) ... I love Superman Returns.... with themes of Loneliness, Alienation, and Struggle, fantastically executed .... nothing in MOS can compete with the sheer awesomeness of the Plane sequence .....Awe-dropping..... MOS was written by a Hack and was directed by a soulless dour director and was scored by another Hack ;) .... My only problem with Returns is Boswell as Lois Lane..... and if I remember correctly she wasn�t Singers choice.... It�s funny that Singers sequel to Returns was supposed to be called Moan Of Steel.... would�ve preferred to see another Supes movie with Routh as Supes... really thought he was great.... esp as I�ve been reading Superman Comics for nigh on 45yrs..... I really fear for Batman V Superman

(...)

Returns is a great movie... it has great themes and maybe you�ll understand it when you�re older..... MOS is all style over substances and imo is an awful film... pure Garbage .... Whereas Returns is the opposite....

I never said that MOS was an awful movie. IMO, it just has more flaws than 'Return'. The design wasn�t even that good, even though everyone involved made such a fuss about it. But design-wise it was just copying other movies before it. Story? Almost no character development. But I liked Amy Adams who�s always good and a dear, Russell Crowe, Kevin Costner and Henry Cavill who - finally - made a damn attractive Superman.

'Return' has some problems, too. Superman turning into a religious, Jesus-like figure? That wasn�t for me. The rest was very good though.

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John Williams has always been my favorite composer and as much as I love some of the modern guys working (like John Powell), I'm always a little sad that no one really attempts to create new scores that follow in Williams's footsteps (to me no one seems able to create the same richness of sound, playing the strings and horns against one another the way Williams regularly does). Because of this, it's really fun (for me) when someone steps up to the plate and creates music to fit within the body of Williams's work. I think McNeeley and Ottman both did an amazing job and I highly recommend this score (any and all versions, but obviously this version, haha).

The style Williams is working in simply is out of fashion right now. It was in fashion since 1977, I think it�s time to give it a break. It�ll return, don�t worry.

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The days of Williams writing a score like Superman again are long gone.... even his Star Wars prequel score bare very little to the Original scores .... I�m hoping JJ can get that old magic....Lucas sucked the life outta Williams for the Prequels even though Williams scores for those movies were awesome....esp.. ROTS.... from what I understand is that Williams never really wrote a theme for Luthor..... the March of the Villians is actually Otis�s theme ;)

I have said it time and time again: I much prefer the old Williams, meaning, his more recent scores. His Star Wars prequel scores are among my most loved scores: they are complex, harmonically intricate, melodically diverse, just damn good, well executed and highly intelligent compositions. The old Star Wars scores are just too... don�t know any better expression, naive and simple, they lack complexity. I have a similar problem of sorts with Goldsmith, too. Cannot listen to scores he did before 1976.

Faleel
05-16-2015, 05:23 AM
Cannot listen to scores he did before 1976.

Missing out on his best.

soundtrekker
05-19-2015, 01:11 PM
damn, all the links are dead :(

Not only isn't scorecrazy's mega link dead, but mine, too. Try either of them, they still work fine.

Krafty
05-20-2015, 03:50 PM
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who enjoyed the film. All faults aside, Superman Returns was very underrated by the mass in my opinion. John Ottman really adapted John Williams material well while eking out a new identity all his own and I enjoy listening to it to this day. It's probably one of his best scores. MOG (Hereafter referred to as 'Man Of Garbage') was terrible. I can't believe that this was the 'direction' that Christopher Nolan talked about moving the character in. It felt in no way like a Superman film. I was really disappointed with the result and like another poster indicated, I fear for Batman v Superman. People talked about Bryan Singer copying Richard Donner's original when that was exactly the point. He was trying to set up a film for a true sequel (Not like the travesties that were Superman III & IV) and used Donner's blueprint as the basis and I couldn't have agreed more.

tintacle
07-14-2015, 12:30 AM
Here is a new upload, this time password free:

Superman Returns (Deluxe Edition by SonicAdventure) / John Ottman / 2 CD / FLAC / multiple custom covers included

JO_SR_SA-Edit.part1.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/yrpHT3Lc/file.html)
JO_SR_SA-Edit.part2.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/t4k3yr9a/file.html)
JO_SR_SA-Edit.part3.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/pMhKZsBf/file.html)
JO_SR_SA-Edit.part4.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/ag0FXY9Z/file.html)

Thank you very much Sonic for an awesome Deluxe Edition, once again :D

And thanks to soundtrekker for the re-up :)

mr_peewinkle
07-14-2015, 02:17 AM
Thanks so much Sonic for this deluxe version and thank you soundtrekker for the re-up!

chongwuxiongmeng
07-14-2015, 03:28 AM
thank you very much !!!

symetrisg
07-14-2015, 08:12 AM
Could someone please pm me a link to this, please?

soundtrekker
07-14-2015, 09:11 AM
Could someone please pm me a link to this, please?

Something wrong with my zippyshare links?

symetrisg
07-14-2015, 09:42 PM
all links are dead :(

tintacle
07-14-2015, 09:50 PM
all links are dead :(

soundtrekker's links still work :)




JO_SR_SA-Edit.part1.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/yrpHT3Lc/file.html)
JO_SR_SA-Edit.part2.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/t4k3yr9a/file.html)
JO_SR_SA-Edit.part3.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/pMhKZsBf/file.html)
JO_SR_SA-Edit.part4.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/ag0FXY9Z/file.html)

symetrisg
07-14-2015, 10:04 PM
great thx!

Pablo82
07-14-2015, 10:33 PM
Awesome!!!
Great and big thanks for your job, Sonic!!!
&
Big thanks too, to soundtrekker for your solidarity!!! :)

NeoSaga
11-24-2015, 05:10 PM
Here is a new upload, this time password free:

Superman Returns (Deluxe Edition by SonicAdventure) / John Ottman / 2 CD / FLAC / multiple custom covers included

JO_SR_SA-Edit.part1.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/yrpHT3Lc/file.html)
JO_SR_SA-Edit.part2.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/t4k3yr9a/file.html)
JO_SR_SA-Edit.part3.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/pMhKZsBf/file.html)
JO_SR_SA-Edit.part4.rar (http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/ag0FXY9Z/file.html)

soundtrekker Thank you a lot

reppa35
12-13-2015, 06:56 PM
Thank you very much Sonic for an awesome Deluxe Edition, and tintacle for making it easy link download. Thanks

Ivanova
12-28-2015, 11:38 PM
Thanks!

HunterTech
04-11-2016, 12:21 AM
Sonic, are you sure what you used were the actual Recording Sessions? I've found them myself, and listening to the track you said had sound effects, none appeared whatsoever. It also appears to contain more alternatives than any other edition I've seen. Granted, I am in the process of downloading a different set of sessions that has a bit of a different track list. It's possible that's the "Complete Score" that has popped up along with the sessions, since that is 75 tracks. It's a bit of a mess, but I'm trying to sort it out.

I'm considering making a multi-thread of all versions of the score that has popped up, including yours. It will be a very good way to let people choose which version they want. Granted, I imagine most people on this forum already have a version of the score. But, for those who are new, as well those who might have lost their files, it will be a good way to present the score.

Lastly, it's maybe because I'm too used to listening to a lot of albums that are considered badly mastered, but I'm not having much of an issue with LLL set from 2013. It's not my preferred sound signature, but I don't have much else to complain. Maybe listening to the full sessions might change my mind, but that's for another day.

SonicAdventure
04-11-2016, 12:36 AM
Sonic, are you sure what you used were the actual Recording Sessions? I've found them myself, and listening to the track you said had sound effects, none appeared whatsoever. It also appears to contain more alternatives than any other edition I've seen. Granted, I am in the process of downloading a different set of sessions that has a bit of a different track list. It's possible that's the "Complete Score" that has popped up along with the sessions, since that is 75 tracks. It's a bit of a mess, but I'm trying to sort it out.

When I did my version, I realized that I was actually working with a compilation as a source. So it�s very possible that several sources were combined into one release. And most of them were sounding pretty bad. So I would be curious from where it all started. For what it�s worth: I would welcome a thread combining all available sources.


I'm considering making a multi-thread of all versions of the score that has popped up, including yours. It will be a very good way to let people choose which version they want. Granted, I imagine most people on this forum already have a version of the score. But, for those who are new, as well those who might have lost their files, it will be a good way to present the score.

I agree wholeheartedly. To have a choice is what I like myself. Though I do think that my own version is the best representation of the score so far. It is, in fact, one of my favourite Editions I did myself I still listen to.


Lastly, it's maybe because I'm too used to listening to a lot of albums that are considered badly mastered, but I'm not having much of an issue with LLL set from 2013. It's not my preferred sound signature, but I don't have much else to complain. Maybe listening to the full sessions might change my mind, but that's for another day.

Again, choice. Everyone can choose the version she/he likes best.

HunterTech
04-11-2016, 01:40 AM
When I did my version, I realized that I was actually working with a compilation as a source. So it�s very possible that several sources were combined into one release. And most of them were sounding pretty bad. So I would be curious from where it all started. For what it�s worth: I would welcome a thread combining all available sources.

Indeed. Just by listening to some of the cues, it's pretty consistent in the the way it sounds, and where the frequencies tend to cut off would be around the same places. I imagine that when the sessions leaked and links were starting to go down, some shady person offered the compilation in place of the actual thing to trick people. It's exactly like that "Ultimate Edition 4-CD" version of Spider-Man 3 that popped up once, which essentially was every single source imaginable (Trailers, DVDRips, Promos, Recording Sessions, etc.) being thrown together to make the most unconvincing package I've ever witnessed. Thank god you exist.


I agree wholeheartedly. To have a choice is what I like myself. Though I do think that my own version is the best representation of the score so far. It is, in fact, one of my favourite Editions I did myself I still listen to.

Of course. It's probably why that Blade Runner thread exists, even though all it does is scare me away from that score. I'll get to work on it once the "Complete Score" starts to finally download. I've been meaning to compare and contrast your version with the others. Funny thing, I was under the impression that the original OST was a Var�se Sarabande release, considering what the download stated. But, it's a Rhino release, so I'll be able to post it along with the others.


Again, choice. Everyone can choose the version she/he likes best.
That is the goal here. :)

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One last question: How many tracks did your compilation source have? The recording sessions and "complete score" total to about 75 tracks.

SonicAdventure
04-11-2016, 01:53 AM
Indeed. Just by listening to some of the cues, it's pretty consistent in the the way it sounds, and where the frequencies tend to cut off would be around the same places. I imagine that when the sessions leaked and links were starting to go down, some shady person offered the compilation in place of the actual thing to trick people. It's exactly like that "Ultimate Edition 4-CD" version of Spider-Man 3 that popped up once, which essentially was every single source imaginable (Trailers, DVDRips, Promos, Recording Sessions, etc.) being thrown together to make the most unconvincing package I've ever witnessed. Thank god you exist.

Releases like that Spidey 3 set you talked about have been existing for as long as I'm online. It took me years to understand why people with no idea, no brain and no heart would do something like it: greed. They probably used their sets for trading. I guess they just never understand what "sharing" means. In case I have to use one of those awful sets, I spend a generous amount of time figuring out where some track came from. Because if one track sounds different to the next, it's pretty disturbing and it hurts the flow of the music. So effectively, those people don't care about the music as well, they just shit on the very thing they so desire. I'm still undecided if I should hate or pity them.


One last question: How many tracks did your compilation source have? The recording sessions and "complete score" total to about 75 tracks.

Ugh, I've completely forgotten, sorry.

And about 'Blade Runner': numerous versions of the movie, the score, re-recordings and what not don't help the messy situation. I've decided a long time ago that I never want to work on that score. Has nothing to do with the music... but I support my own opinion with my extreme distaste for Vangelis' behaviour on stage ;)

Dave999
04-11-2016, 02:26 PM
I'm considering making a multi-thread of all versions of the score that has popped up, including yours. It will be a very good way to let people choose which version they want.
Love the idea :)

blackie74
09-24-2016, 03:18 PM
thanks

whiteshadow1
11-09-2016, 08:40 PM
Since I appreciate SonicAdventure's efforts so much, I want to try and help keep them available for people. Here's a MEGA (https://mega.co.nz/#!LZlmAShL!fid-P1rihd68i_6IVkPFw52pcRAfHIl1W2Q1oicy6b8) link for anyone needing this. Please give likes and reps to SonicAdventure first and foremost. Me too if you're feeling really generous. Cheers!

edit:

AAUUGGHH!! I forgot to supply the password. Sorry about that! Here you go:
password: notmanofsteel

Man, this album is hard to find. Thank you for uploading it to Mega! And huge thanks to SonicAdventure for doing this!

vorozco4782
12-19-2016, 10:42 PM
Thanks for this

jb11
12-20-2016, 09:15 AM
Thanks for sharing!!

Duncan Jacques
12-20-2016, 04:04 PM
Can someone upload this score?

AberZombi&Flesh
12-20-2016, 04:16 PM
Can someone upload this score?

Check out post #119 (Thread 179779)

Duncan Jacques
12-21-2016, 10:04 AM
Thank you for your help AberZombi&Flesh

alexp120
01-01-2017, 01:06 AM
Thanks, scorecrazy69, for the re-up. (See Post #119)

centurychild
01-10-2018, 03:53 PM
Please please please re-up this. Thanks so much!

SonicAdventure
01-10-2018, 04:19 PM
Please please please re-up this. Thanks so much!

The MEGA link by scorecrazy69 is still active. A search would have helped :)

centurychild
01-10-2018, 08:46 PM
Thanks SonicAdventure. There are so many posts I missed it.

Thanks to scorecrazy69 as well.

web traveller
06-19-2018, 05:51 AM
A big thanks to Sonic and Scorecrazy69 for the re-up! Gave both of you reps!

carlobunnie
05-13-2019, 10:21 PM
Recently started completing my ost/score libraries so thanks for this!

Soundtracker2010
10-01-2019, 08:42 AM
Anyone have live links for this? I am dying to hear this complete version.