Tifa never really was that support that Cloud needed. If I remeber right in one of the flash backs she makes fun of him, and I think during the game she teases him or is mean to him on occasion. Aeris never ws mean or teased Cloud. She always provided love and affection for him, nothing less.

That's kind of true. I don't even consider them as real childhood friends, because when they were kids, she never noticed Cloud. He was there, but that's it. And he knew. That's the reason why he told her about soldier and stuff. He said all that so she'll finally notice him.

When they met each other again, Cloud was grown up then, of course, why shouldn't Tifa fall for him now. That was the time she really started talking to him. She didn't really care about him before, did she?




Well, if Aeris loved Cloud so much, why didn't she say something to him before she offed herself? Not even an "I'll be waiting for you," or anything like that. No note or anything. Honestly, where is the love? Well, this is just my assumption but, Aeris probably was looking forward to finding Zack in the promised land.

Aeris did mention something. She was always talking about the next time. She told Cloud she wants to "meet" him. There is love, but she's a little shy, she won't use the direct words on him. On the other side, she knew Clouds mind was messed up. She knew he's to find a way to himself at first, she didn't want to bother him with "her" problems. She did not run away or a lie, she just showed strenght.

And she was definitely not looking forward to find Zack again. That's a crazy idea. Why should she try to find her ex-boyfriend again? She has a new, a real love now.

And when the hell did any of these mother fuckers screw? What the hell kinda lovin' is that!? What a bunch of pansies... I know Tifa's a ho. She has to be! Look at that outfit! She has got to know something about gettin' yer groove on. Sheesh...

::cough::lols::cough:: I'm not so sure Tifa had offered herself, but I know Aeris sure did. "I want to meet you"supposedly means I want to have a sexual relashionship with you. How can Aeris not be labled dirty or slutty? What's that? She never even knew Cloud. She just wanted another look-alike Zack after he died. I beleive that if Zack had not gone to Nibelheim, that they would still be together. Aeris and Cloud never had a deep spiritual connection to begin with.

::cough::lols::cough:: I'm not so sure Tifa had offered herself, but I know Aeris sure did. "I want to meet you"supposedly means I want to have a sexual relashionship with you. How can Aeris not be labled dirty or slutty? What's that? She never even knew Cloud. She just wanted another look-alike Zack after he died. I beleive that if Zack had not gone to Nibelheim, that they would still be together. Aeris and Cloud never had a deep spiritual connection to begin with.

sorry dont understand the logic behind that please explain

Behind what? o.o

behind the tsatement you just made

cloud did love aeris

If I could have been there, I would give Cloud a pat on the shoulder and be sure to help him avenge her.

::cough::lols::cough:: I'm not so sure Tifa had offered herself, but I know Aeris sure did. "I want to meet you"supposedly means I want to have a sexual relashionship with you. How can Aeris not be labled dirty or slutty? What's that? She never even knew Cloud. She just wanted another look-alike Zack after he died. I beleive that if Zack had not gone to Nibelheim, that they would still be together. Aeris and Cloud never had a deep spiritual connection to begin with.


ok, if you consider 'i want to meet you' a sexual implimation then you are the one implying that and not Aerith herself. Her meaning was behind that after she died (because i believe she knew that was her fate) she would meet cloud in the lifestream after his eventual death. No Spiritual connection? what about in the end, after he defeats sephiroth finally, you see a hand reach out of the lifestream, that was Aerith's hand, reaching out to bring him back. Not tifa's, aeriths. Her relationship with cloud was not a spoken one, more like, an innocent romance.

::cough::lols::cough:: I'm not so sure Tifa had offered herself, but I know Aeris sure did. "I want to meet you"supposedly means I want to have a sexual relashionship with you. How can Aeris not be labled dirty or slutty? What's that? She never even knew Cloud. She just wanted another look-alike Zack after he died. I beleive that if Zack had not gone to Nibelheim, that they would still be together. Aeris and Cloud never had a deep spiritual connection to begin with.

First, how is it dirty/slutty to tell someone you want to have a relationship with them? Second, prove it. What proof do you have that Aeris just wants Cloud because he looks like Zack? And how do you know they never had a deep spiritual connection?

Besides, Aeris, saying she wanted to "meet" him, might have even been talking about wanting to meet the real him, like Aerith Gainsborough said, because she knew he had to find himself. Even if she was talking about having a sexual relationship with him, whats the big deal? Tifa wouldn't have done it. She had to let Cloud know her feelings, otherwise, what could anyone accomplish? We all know Cloud wouldn't be the one to ask anyone out, so why is it so bad that Aeris does? Maybe, if Aeris didn't lose Zack, she'd still be with him.Just because Cloud wouldn't have Aeris, doesn't mean he'd be with Tifa. They weren't even close. The fact is, Aeris didn't end up with Zack, so there's no point in bringing that point up. No one knows what would have happened, so it doesn't matter. The point is, that Cloud was only Cloud, after he met Aeris. Before that, he didn't care about anyone or anything. They did have a spiritual connection. Aeris did give Cloud a heads up about going off on her own. Remember when he has a vision/dream about her int he sleeping forest? She keeps saying not to worry about her, and that she'll come back when it's all over. Cloud tries to run after her, but he's in slow motion, and unable to stop her.

And after reading Solaris's post, I have to agree with her. No spiritual connection? What do YOU think spiritual connection is? Cloud and Aeris definitely had one... but I think the reason you can't see it is because you're too rapped up with Tifa/Cloud as the couple. That's fine, but prove your points, instead of just listing "I believe." Then maybe, I'll see Cloud/Tifa as a couple.

Haha! That didn't make sense. Okay, sure. Aerith never wanted to have sex with Cloud. NEVER.

Instead of ignoring the questions directed at you, could you please answer them? I'm curious about your answers, who knows, maybe you could change my opinion of Cloud/Aeris.

Also, what didn't make sense?

I don't see any romance at all between Aeris and Cloud. All this proof you guys are providing doesn't mean anything. Aeris cared about Cloud, but that was most likely because her sacrificing herself would mean nothing if Cloud and Co. didn't follow through. She needed their help to stop Sephiroth and Meteor. There's no love shit between Aeris and Cloud in the game. Perhaps some attraction here and there but I don't see any profound soul mate evidence.

And, just like everyone says, Aeris knew her fate. Why would she, if she even did have a thing for Cloud, try to pursue it? She knew she was going to die. What's the point in falling in love when you know you're going to die?

I don't see any romance at all between Aeris and Cloud. All this proof you guys are providing doesn't mean anything. Aeris cared about Cloud, but that was most likely because her sacrificing herself would mean nothing if Cloud and Co. didn't follow through. She needed their help to stop Sephiroth and Meteor. There's no love shit between Aeris and Cloud in the game. Perhaps some attraction here and there but I don't see any profound soul mate evidence.

And, just like everyone says, Aeris knew her fate. Why would she, if she even did have a thing for Cloud, try to pursue it? She knew she was going to die. What's the point in falling in love when you know you're going to die?

Well, Dru, maybe she wanted to enjoy her last moments.

I think theres alot more to it then what most of you have said.

1. Zack and Aeris/Aerith were dataing and as previously mentioned when you reach Zacks house Aeris does react strongly indicating feelings for Zack

2. after the Lifestream incident, we find out that Cloud had based most of his life on Zack, possibly to the point of becoming zack

3. Because Cloud appears ( apart form Hair style and colour) and possibly acts like zack ( same manerisms and all) its possible that Aeris fell for the Zack in Cloud

4. Dont forget that during his Childhood, Cloud would 'Get into a fight at the drop of a hat' to prove how strong he was and to win Tifas affection. this is also one of the reasons loud signs up for SOLDIER, so he can become strong Like Sephiroth and prove himself again to Tifa

However it should be noted right at the end of the game Cloud rescues Tifa but says "I think I can meet her there" I doubt Cloud would refer to Tifa or Yuffie as 'Her'

another point for the Cloti fans is the moment the two share before the final battle, when Cloud tells the team to find their reason for fighting and He and Tifa 'sleep' ( not sexually, although Tifa is embarresed when she gets back on Highwind, so perhaps something happened?) together.

I dunno in the end though I Suppose it really comes down to which pairing you prefer. Cloud/Tifa, Cloud/Aeris or even Cloud/Yuffie ( believe it or not their is a ClouYuf fanfic) ya never know Aeris and tifa may have been Lessies, Or Cloud might have been Gay ( you never know exactly what happens to Cloud while he's in the tank)

I think theres alot more to it then what most of you have said.

1. Zack and Aeris/Aerith were dataing and as previously mentioned when you reach Zacks house Aeris does react strongly indicating feelings for Zack

2. after the Lifestream incident, we find out that Cloud had based most of his life on Zack, possibly to the point of becoming zack

3. Because Cloud appears ( apart form Hair style and colour) and possibly acts like zack ( same manerisms and all) its possible that Aeris fell for the Zack in Cloud

4. Dont forget that during his Childhood, Cloud would 'Get into a fight at the drop of a hat' to prove how strong he was and to win Tifas affection. this is also one of the reasons loud signs up for SOLDIER, so he can become strong Like Sephiroth and prove himself again to Tifa

However it should be noted right at the end of the game Cloud rescues Tifa but says "I think I can meet her there" I doubt Cloud would refer to Tifa or Yuffie as 'Her'

another point for the Cloti fans is the moment the two share before the final battle, when Cloud tells the team to find their reason for fighting and He and Tifa 'sleep' ( not sexually, although Tifa is embarresed when she gets back on Highwind, so perhaps something happened?) together.

I dunno in the end though I Suppose it really comes down to which pairing you prefer. Cloud/Tifa, Cloud/Aeris or even Cloud/Yuffie ( believe it or not their is a ClouYuf fanfic) ya never know Aeris and tifa may have been Lessies, Or Cloud might have been Gay ( you never know exactly what happens to Cloud while he's in the tank)

You're quite right about these things. But I don't think that Cloud is gay, no matter what happened in the tank. And about the night before the final battle, I think something DID happen. But I'm not sure.

The Gay bit was just a joke

well it was kinda funny but i reckon tifa may have been lessie with yuffie if anyone

::cough::lols::cough:: I'm not so sure Tifa had offered herself, but I know Aeris sure did. "I want to meet you"supposedly means I want to have a sexual relashionship with you. How can Aeris not be labled dirty or slutty? What's that? She never even knew Cloud. She just wanted another look-alike Zack after he died. I beleive that if Zack had not gone to Nibelheim, that they would still be together. Aeris and Cloud never had a deep spiritual connection to begin with.

Yes, "I want to meet you" means "I want to start a relationship with you". I thought, it was very cute. She didn't say it in direct words, because she is not a slut. She's shy in this point. But why shouldn't she mention it? She wants to be with him, and it is her right to ask him. ;)



I don't see any romance at all between Aeris and Cloud. All this proof you guys are providing doesn't mean anything. Aeris cared about Cloud, but that was most likely because her sacrificing herself would mean nothing if Cloud and Co. didn't follow through. She needed their help to stop Sephiroth and Meteor. There's no love shit between Aeris and Cloud in the game. Perhaps some attraction here and there but I don't see any profound soul mate evidence.

And, just like everyone says, Aeris knew her fate. Why would she, if she even did have a thing for Cloud, try to pursue it? She knew she was going to die. What's the point in falling in love when you know you're going to die?

You didn't see any romance in the game? Ok, first of all, the situations were not the best. I mean, they were worried about the planet and everything. In situations like this, full romance must wait. Second, this game is not a hentai game. What do you expect? :eye:

And beside that, I don't think, she knew about her death. But that's a different story.... :(

Instead of ignoring the questions directed at you, could you please answer them? I'm curious about your answers, who knows, maybe you could change my opinion of Cloud/Aeris.

Also, what didn't make sense?

Ooops I'm sorry! That wasn't directed at you..It was directed at Solaris.

Now that I'm too lazy to type, I'll just post one of my TifaxCloud rants.

Why is she so compatible with Cloud? A good question! They had known eachother since childhood, and Cloud had a crush on her since he was a teen! Not to mention that he promised to be her hero! And no, she didn't "force" him to keep it. If so, then why are the stars forever sealing their promise?When she got stabbed, he was really mad! (so sad) So in his rage, along with the murder of his best friend and hometown, killed Seph! Then 7 years later...Tifa finds him at the train station...And she's like, "Wtf?" But he knows her...Because he remembered her first! Not to mention that in his really confused state, it would be hard. You can choose to give her a flower and say, "Next to you, who wouldn't?" After she asks you if you slept well. He stays in Avalance for her...Then you can choose to say, "Take care of Tifa for me" right before he is supposedly falling to his death. Then he meets Aerith..She begs to come with him, but still, all Cloud cares about is rescuing Tifa! There is also a choice to say that she is your girlfriend, which I found so appealing. He even dresses up as a girl to save her! Imagine how much pride had to be taken away from his ego for that litte stunt...
I love the lifestream scene! It's so..romantic. Cloud says "A secret wish..tender memories...No one could ever know" If that isn't love then I don't know what is. And even if there are optional affection versions of the highwind scene, if you are your nicest to Tifa, it will turn very intimate. So why did the creators put that in there? Hmm?!?! If you get that scene, then it's like, "You SAW us?" Hehe. Did I interpret that right? That's how I did, but I find no reasen to interpret it any other way...But no, they didn't have sex, silly! At least I dun think so...

Also, I've noticed an interesting fact...If you search about Zodiac signs, and how compatible you are, you'll see that two Tarus's (Cloud and Tifa) would have a more deep, long lasting relashionship than if a Taurus and an Aquarius were to have one. So boooyah!

Then he meets Aerith..She begs to come with him, but still, all Cloud cares about is rescuing Tifa! There is also a choice to say that she is your girlfriend, which I found so appealing. He even dresses up as a girl to save her! Imagine how much pride had to be taken away from his ego for that litte stunt...

That's a kinda lame, actually. Cloud would do that for everybody who is his friend. He'd also do that for Aeris, if he had to rescue her. I'm sure, he's also do it for Yuffie or who ever. ;(

That's a kinda lame, actually. Cloud would do that for everybody who is his friend. He'd also do that for Aeris, if he had to rescue her. I'm sure, he's also do it for Yuffie or who ever. ;(
That's true he would...

That's a kinda lame, actually. Cloud would do that for everybody who is his friend. He'd also do that for Aeris, if he had to rescue her. I'm sure, he's also do it for Yuffie or who ever. ;(

I don't think he would. :)

I don't think he would. :)

Do you want to tell me that Cloud is a cold and selfish? :(

well it was kinda funny but i reckon tifa may have been lessie with yuffie if anyone

*Blushing* thanks i've never been called funny ( even kinda funny) before...

A Tifa/Yuffie, interesting idea......

Do you want to tell me that Cloud is a cold and selfish? :(

He's cooler that way, yeah. O:]

Well, Dru, maybe she wanted to enjoy her last moments.
So, using Cloud to merely "Enjoy her last moments" is pure untainted love?


You didn't see any romance in the game?
I didn't say that, exactly. I saw romance between other people, rather than Aeris and Cloud. All I saw from those two was a team attachment to save the planet. Can you not agree?

Ok, first of all, the situations were not the best. I mean, they were worried about the planet and everything. In situations like this, full romance must wait.
Bullshit. If Square wanted Aeris and Cloud to fall in love, then they would have.

Second, this game is not a hentai game. What do you expect? :eye:
Well, I didn't really expect anything from the game. I just played it. That doesn't change the fact that I don't see Aeris and Cloud being a couple, rather than a friendship.


And beside that, I don't think, she knew about her death. But that's a different story.... :(
No, it's not a different story, it's the same one. She did know about her death.

In my opinion, Aeris only died in a physical sense when Sephiroth stabbed her.
She was an Ancient and possessed tremendous powers. It is arguable that she actually wanted to die physically so her spiritual self could merge with the lifestream and heal the planet. In fact, Bugenhagen pretty much says this himself when they take him to the Shrine where she was killed.

Bugenhagen:
"Holy... the ultimate White Magic.
Magic that might stand against Meteor.
Perhaps our last hope to save the planet from Meteor.
If a soul seeking Holy reaches the planet, it will appear."

the only reason aeris asked him to be her bodyguard because she probably knew where all this was going to end. she might as well have asked cloud for help from the start, although that probably would have been kind of akward.

Aeris:"I'm in search of the promised land and I'm a Cetra, do you mind helping me kill a madman named Sephiroth by the way and saving the planet? just asking."

Look, people. It's like this. The 'special'/'spiritual', (or whatever), bond that Cloud and Aeris had was because of seven years prior to the beginning of the game, Zack and Aeris dated for a short time and she obviously cared a lot about him. How do I know? Because of the reaction Aeris had to Cloud, or should I say Zack's memories, persona, and general appearance, in the form of Cloud. She showed compassion toward him, showing that she cared much for Zack. (This can't be proven, as it is not written down, but if you think about it, it ties into all of the other facts that show real evidence that Cloud and Tifa are the true couple.)

Cloud's reaction to Aeris was kinda awkward and nervous. This is where all of you people who think that Aeris and Cloud are the true couple, think you see true love, but it's not-it's all a delusion. At this point in the game, you're not supposed to assume that Cloud has taken on someone else's memories, but he has. Take a look at Cloud in the beginning of the game: He has a badass, "kill 'em all, and fuck the world" attitude, just like how an exSOLDIER should act, or so he thought. But then, along comes Aeris. Where's his composure now? Like I said before, you're not supposed to know yet, but Cloud isn't himself. That's why he's all nervous when he meets this girl who is giving him all kinds of crazy vibes due to his 'aquired' memories.

During the time Cloud and Aeris are together, he is still partially living with Zack's memories subconsciously inside him (the stories Zack told him about his life/career/relationship with Aeris, most likely, when they were on the run together from ShinRa). So, the part of him that was Zack drew him to Aeris,
and probably drew Aeris to him in some way.

Remember when they go to the Gold Saucer on the date, she makes some cryptic references to "meeting the real Cloud"? Yeah, well after she goes off and dies, Cloud rediscovers his true self. He remains fond of Aeris, but he also rediscovers his true, long time love of Tifa, now that he is able to have his OWN memories, not Zack's, who loved Aeris, not Cloud.

There's your proof. And it's all straigt from the storyline.

The thing with the love triangle is that Tifa loved him, but never could say it. Aeris' actually expressed it. Even though she thinks he's Zack, after a while she notices that he is the one who was going to kill Sephiroth, and, with love, sacrificed herself for them and the world. Even when she's dead, Tifa STILL doesn't say what she thinks about him because she knew that Cloud loved Aeris and Aeris loved him, and she accepted that. Just because of Aeris' thoughts for Zack she was driven to love a new man she knew was better, and besides, Zack is dead, and Cloud is her comfort. Tifa is a good friend, but Aeris was their light, Aeris was Cloud's true love

The Zack part did happen, but when she saw Cloud, she thought he was Zack, but after a while, she knew the Cloud was in him. She loved him mre than she would ever love Zack.

The thing with the love triangle is that Tifa loved him, but never could say it.
Tifa and Cloud sit on the edge of the crater and reflect that they both have nothing except each other now. They speak of how in the darkest moments they heard each other's voices. Cloud mumbles that he always had so much he wanted to say to her, but now that they are alone, he can't think of anything. Tifa says gently to him: "Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking..." Night falls.

Aeris' actually expressed it. Even though she thinks he's Zack, after a while she notices that he is the one who was going to kill Sephiroth, and, with love, sacrificed herself for them and the world.
No, not really. Aeris ACTUALLY said that she wanted to find more out about her people. That was probably more motivation for her to travel to the promised land than loving Cloud... 'Cause that just doesn't make any sense.

Even when she's dead, Tifa STILL doesn't say what she thinks about him because she knew that Cloud loved Aeris and Aeris loved him, and she accepted that.
She accepted that Aeris, who is dead, is Cloud's only love and therefore chooses to not be with him? Hmm... Read this quote over again:

Tifa and Cloud sit on the edge of the crater and reflect that they both have nothing except each other now. They speak of how in the darkest moments they heard each other's voices. Cloud mumbles that he always had so much he wanted to say to her, but now that they are alone, he can't think of anything. Tifa says gently to him: "Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking..." Night falls.
Tifa did, in fact, express her feelings. And so did Cloud. I don't get how it's so hard to see.

Just because of Aeris' thoughts for Zack she was driven to love a new man she knew was better, and besides, Zack is dead, and Cloud is her comfort. Tifa is a good friend, but Aeris was their light, Aeris was Cloud's true love
Wait, what? Aeris has no comfort. She took on her daunting task alone.


The Zack part did happen, but when she saw Cloud, she thought he was Zack, but after a while, she knew the Cloud was in him. She loved him mre than she would ever love Zack.
Who said?

I agree, because as of now I'm too lazy to type. :/

Then there is the fact to which many Cloriths believe that the American version of ff7 was mistranslated. A BUNCH. So if it was indeed, mistranslated, why did they go ahead with it? Why did they approve it? A mesmerizing question...They say that the instruction booklet in FF7 was also mistranslated, saying that there was a love triangle but there was no love triangle in the Japanese version..or so they say. I don't believe that, because other supposed "mistranslated" things were true. Like Cloud being an X-SOLDIER, which he isn't. HELLO people? It is supposed to make you think that he is, but then there is a major point in the game where you discover he isn't. What's up with this? Well, we all thought that he was until we discovered the truth. As it was intended to be. Some say that Tifa's description of being an optimistic girl was wrong, that Aeris fit that title more. That's foolish. So are we saying that Tifa was a depressed, cold-hearted person like Cloud for the whole game? Quite the opposite. SHE was the one that kept him strong, not Aeris. Aeris just had an innocent nature, but necessarily doesn't mean she is optimistic. Ugh. :(

Tifa DID love Cloud. Tifa was prepared to give up her life to look after him when it looked like he would be mentally and physically disabled for life. Certainly during the Lifestream sequence its is implied that he had deep feelings for her he could never express at the time: "......a sealed up secret...... wish......Tender memories...... no one can ever know........." A large part of that sequence is devoted to him confessing his desire to be closer to her. Did the arrival of Aeris change these feelings? I don't think so. For sure Cloud felt very strongly about her, and they become close in a short space of time, but I think her powers distanced herself from him as a romantic object.

Yes, to which the only excuse Cloriths can give to this scene is, "It was his past feelings for Tifa" So what? The fact that it's part of the game means something. And Aeris wasn't in it. So...Ha.

Man, the sole fact that Square didn't make Aeris and Cloud fall in love is hard anough evidence.

Jesus tapdancing Christ! >= )

Hehe. Advent Children will be a cold slap in the face.

Don't get me wrong, I still like Aeris. In fact, she's really damn badass. She's the only other person that has power equal to Sephiroth. Remember, she's the last surviving Cetra. You don't fuck around with those peoples. Indeed, I have lots of respect for Aeris. I just don't think Cloud and Aeris are a couple.

I don't. And she isn't badass..:/ Tifa would kick her butt. If they fought, and Aeris DID use Great Gospel, it wouldn't last very long. And by that time Tifa would have pummeled her into the ground.

Yes, to which the only excuse Cloriths can give to this scene is, "It was his past feelings for Tifa" So what? The fact that it's part of the game means something. And Aeris wasn't in it. So...Ha.

That's the only proof you have of Cloud having feelings for Tifa, so you shouldn't bash cloriths. Sure, that part of the game means something, it means Cloud getting himself back, and knowing who he his. Aeris isn't in it, because Aeris wasn't a part of his life when Cloud was that age. She wasn't a clue to who he was, and that's why she wasn't in the flashback.

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That's the only proof you have of Cloud having feelings for Tifa, so you shouldn't bash cloriths. Sure, that part of the game means something, it means Cloud getting himself back, and knowing who he his. Aeris isn't in it, because Aeris wasn't a part of his life when Cloud was that age. She wasn't a clue to who he was, and that's why she wasn't in the flashback.
Right. You are exactly right. That's how the story plays out. After Aeris is out of the picture, so to speak (i'm not trying to sound like a dickhole, although I probably am. Oh well.), Cloud gains his memories, which include his infactuation with Tifa, (and there's nothing wrong with it so those of you who can't accept it, stop denying it), and they both begin to pursue something! Yay! -_-

That's the only proof you have of Cloud having feelings for Tifa, so you shouldn't bash cloriths. Sure, that part of the game means something, it means Cloud getting himself back, and knowing who he his. Aeris isn't in it, because Aeris wasn't a part of his life when Cloud was that age. She wasn't a clue to who he was, and that's why she wasn't in the flashback.

Yeah....And when soon find out in Cloud's flashback that he's always had a crush on Tifa...That's meaningless...Uh-huh.

I don't. And she isn't badass..:/ Tifa would kick her butt. If they fought, and Aeris DID use Great Gospel, it wouldn't last very long. And by that time Tifa would have pummeled her into the ground.
Holy would destroy Tifa; instantly.

Yeah....And when soon find out in Cloud's flashback that he's always had a crush on Tifa...That's meaningless...Uh-huh.

I didn't say that was meaningless, wow, Cloud had a crush on Tifa when he was little. I know that. More of that was wanting acceptence into the group, because he was always weak and left out. No one gave him that, so Cloud wanted to join soldier for attention, because of the lack of friends he had. How old was Cloud, I forget? Anways, it was a long time ago. Tifa really started to like him when he was gone, she kept wondering how he was doing, but Cloud didn't think about Tifa as much. They drifted apart. It was a childhood crush, him wanting friends, and wanting to be accepted.

Yes. But Cloud's feelings for her CONTINUED to linger..If you didn't get the hints in the game. Like the lifestream :"A sealed up..secrest wish..tender memories..no one could ever know." So no. He's still not hung up on her at all. Then there's the always being late for Tifa thing that he talks about. Why would he even care about the promise still? But he does...OMfG hE doES! And there was even a star to seal their promise!

Well, I thought about this, and I think that Tifa and Cloud fit better with each other. They have been through a lot of stuff, and I think that Tifa is the right Girl for Cloud.

Listen, I'll tell you one thing. I'm a BIG Aeris fan, but I'm not that blind as not to se that Aeris' death was neccessary to save the world, and thus, there was no future for Cloud and Aeris after her death. And Tifa helped Cloud find himslef. Tifa truly loves Cloud, and I think that she's the girl for him.

And I've got one more thing to say. I think that Aeris' powers would distance her from Cloud as time would pass, and I think that Aeris could not open herself to Cloud completely.

[QUOTE=Tifa_Martial_Artist]I agree, because as of now I'm too lazy to type. :/

Then there is the fact to which many Cloriths believe that the American version of ff7 was mistranslated. A BUNCH. So if it was indeed, mistranslated, why did they go ahead with it? Why did they approve it? A mesmerizing question...QUOTE]

I can't say this with 100% certainty but i heard somewhere theat Squaresoft had run out of time with the USA/EU release of FF7 and thats why so much was mis-translated.
i'll admit that this doesn't explain how the coders had time to include the American Weapons ( Ruby and Emerald) which i believe do not appear in the Japanese version ( can anyone confirm ) but it explains why one of Barrets first statements is all screwy ( the one where he explains how to run)

jesus god, people.
when did this all have to be a romanciful damn story?
as far as i'm concerned, cloud (no offense to any of the fans) seems to be a little slow to catch on to any of the flirtations and sweet nothings as is.
yes, yes, i know. tifa oh so loves him and so what if aeris did. i think cloud is to fucked up in the brain to have comfort. he wouldn't want it and doesn't feel he deserves it so all of you deal with it.
what i'm trying to say is, cloud falls in love, what is the point of final fantasy VII? a cold heartless mercenary falling in love...yeah right.
think about this.

Yes. But Cloud's feelings for her CONTINUED to linger..If you didn't get the hints in the game. Like the lifestream :"A sealed up..secrest wish..tender memories..no one could ever know." So no. He's still not hung up on her at all. Then there's the always being late for Tifa thing that he talks about. Why would he even care about the promise still? But he does...OMfG hE doES! And there was even a star to seal their promise!

He cares because he's a good friend. Also, he had to keep remembering that scene, because that was one of the keys to the plot. It proved that Cloud was Cloud, and not someone created. They were MEMORIES. He was a child. I see your point, but I still don't agree with you.

Man, why the fuck would they put that in the goddamn game if it didn't have a purpose?

I mean... Jesus tapdancing Christ! -_-

Oh, yes. Is that the only thing that you can bring up, TMA?
"Oh, there's no hints to Cloud and Aeris.." blah blah blah. Clearly, you're so stuck up that you ignore all the rest and only find points to support what you wanna say. How ignorant to uphold such pride.
Lifestream event proves that Cloud was Cloud in Nielbihelm. Those are past memories, recollections to set his life straight as Cloud was living a lie. It also proved that he used to have a crush on Tifa and was brought out upon Tifa. But on another basis, that's a crush that is short live. Anyone can outgrow a crush and like someone new. No one is going to wait, what, 5 years later to see if that person will still like you or feel the same way as you. Why don't you put two and two together.
Cloud's life is mess up;Tifa knows Truth. Tifa tells lies and keep truth;Cloud fall to his doom. Cloud is mess up, again; Tifa is forced to reconcile the truth with Cloud.
Lunatic HighVII,
You are right. Plus, Cloud already kept his promise, what, saving Tifa, how many times? Yeah, real independant of her. As in the beginning, Cloud didn't gave a damn about anyone else, just his job as being a mercernary. What, how many times did he try to leave? 3 times until Tifa brought up the 'promise' thing to tied him down to her. Yeah, really nice friend when you done your deed already. I may be a Cloris fan, but I'm not gonna denied that Cloud doesn't care about her. Tifa's his only "so-called" friend left and the only one that made Cloud felt not like a loser when she say she was his friend. But of course, Cloud still feel like a loser, that's why he join Soldier, to prove to himself and Tifa&friends that he is strong and will fit in with them.
Heh, and there's really nothing romantic about that Night under the highwind scene. As it was an open opportunity for Cloud to pour his heart out to Tifa, he never did. He just. "....." and said I heard your voice and Tifa cried and he's still like, what, a feet or two away from her. That was really an open opportunity for Cloud and he didn't even grasp for it because, he's over that childish crush. He outgrew it. And then, Tifa was all so embarressed in the morning and saying that the highwind is quiet and would be lonely to cover the fact that she got rejected as Cloud no longer feel the same way anymore. And please, there's like, what, 2 or 3 versions to it but the default one is always the correct one as it was with the dating sequence.
TMA,
You ask if FF7 is mistranslated. What do you think? Of course, its mistranslated in so many ways with indirect translations. You think that something that comes from another country, like Japan, will stay with its original language. Unless you can read it or have a system that can played it, every media that comes to another country are always translated and many times its not even the original meanings of what was said or an indirect translations or even added sentences in.
But I doubt you can even read Japanese, that's why you bring up BS. Is that your only defense now, bringing up BS, because you're doubting yourself? Heh. I would called that doubting, to see that everyone else brought out good points, supporting points/agruments for Cloud and Aeris as the couple while you just bring BS because you can't bring up a good enough point/agrument of why Cloti is the couple since every point/agrument you brought up has been BS and counter out. Oh, then, what ya gonna do? Frustrated and a brain as small as a peanut, you flame and called people names, when up straight, it exactly describe you.

I completely agree with S.Yuffie.

About being mistranslated, of course the game has a few mistranslations and glitches, but they can't mistranslate the whole game. So what are you getting at, TMA? What do mistranslations have to do with Tifa+Cloud being together? The scene under the highwind, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS, so assumtions don't work. Who knows what Tifa was embarassed about? No one. Same with Aeris and Zach. "If Zack came back, him and Aeris would have been together..." Well I've got some news for you... Zack DIDN'T come back, and you have no idea what would have happened if he did. Maybe he would have killed Cloud, or eaten Tifa. The point is, you don't know.

After her death, what keeps the party going is their willingness to avenge Aeris, and in Cloud's case, get revenge for HIMSELF. He really cared about Aeris. I'm not saying he didn't care about Tifa, because he did, but Aeris in a different way. Tifa, he thought, was his childhood friend, (proven wrong in the lifestream), but he forgave her, took the blame as his own. On the highwind, after he finds himself, he APOLOGIZES for Tifa's lies, because he's still unaware of the serious pain afflicted apon him.

As S. Yuffie said, crushes are easy to get over, especially for his age. What caused his crush was her looks, and his longing to be accepted into the group. Why would you keep loving someone who made fun of you? Sure, Tifa was going through a lot at the time, but so was Cloud. He had to accept the fact that no one liked him, and no one would if he didn't join soldier. (which he led himself to believe) That night at the well, Tifa and Cloud weren't even friends. He just wanted her to notice him, and called her over to the well, to inform her of his departure. It wasn't until then, that Tifa started thinkinf, "Hmm, I miss Cloud, how's cloud doing?" By then, she was sorry, but she left a scar on Cloud. One that couldn't be healed. Lack of self confidence.

That's why Cloud was messed up. If he hadn't gotten rejected by Tifa's friends, he wouodn't have attempted joining soldier, and wouldn't have gotten jenova cells injected in him, and wouldn't have had his downful. Chain reaction. One thing led to another. Afterward, Tifa acted as a friend for the rest of the game, but Aeris was more than a friend. She saw soemthing in Cloud, that Tifa couldn't see, especially with her clique. When Aeris showed her interest in Cloud, that's when Tifa did, too.

Aeris and Cloud were the official couple, no doubt.

well said, lunatichigh7 :) and i wish the cloti fans would just create a thread for tifa and cloud instead of bashing on clorith...

Tifa Martial Artist: why are u always assuming that Tifa hates Aeris? they're good friends, cmon. and by saying that, ur making Tifa a bad person imo.

This started to get way too heated for me to read, but then I skipped to the end and figured out what happened. All the Cloti left their threads to make silly, stupid, but some interesting remarks. Ok you've had your little party to bash the Clorith. Now go back to your Tifa/Cloud threads and leave us in PEACE!!!!!!

Oh, yes. Is that the only thing that you can bring up, TMA?
"Oh, there's no hints to Cloud and Aeris.." blah blah blah. Clearly, you're so stuck up that you ignore all the rest and only find points to support what you wanna say. How ignorant to uphold such pride.
Lifestream event proves that Cloud was Cloud in Nielbihelm. Those are past memories, recollections to set his life straight as Cloud was living a lie. It also proved that he used to have a crush on Tifa and was brought out upon Tifa. But on another basis, that's a crush that is short live. Anyone can outgrow a crush and like someone new. No one is going to wait, what, 5 years later to see if that person will still like you or feel the same way as you. Why don't you put two and two together.
Cloud's life is mess up;Tifa knows Truth. Tifa tells lies and keep truth;Cloud fall to his doom. Cloud is mess up, again; Tifa is forced to reconcile the truth with Cloud.
Lunatic HighVII,
You are right. Plus, Cloud already kept his promise, what, saving Tifa, how many times? Yeah, real independant of her. As in the beginning, Cloud didn't gave a damn about anyone else, just his job as being a mercernary. What, how many times did he try to leave? 3 times until Tifa brought up the 'promise' thing to tied him down to her. Yeah, really nice friend when you done your deed already. I may be a Cloris fan, but I'm not gonna denied that Cloud doesn't care about her. Tifa's his only "so-called" friend left and the only one that made Cloud felt not like a loser when she say she was his friend. But of course, Cloud still feel like a loser, that's why he join Soldier, to prove to himself and Tifa&friends that he is strong and will fit in with them.
Heh, and there's really nothing romantic about that Night under the highwind scene. As it was an open opportunity for Cloud to pour his heart out to Tifa, he never did. He just. "....." and said I heard your voice and Tifa cried and he's still like, what, a feet or two away from her. That was really an open opportunity for Cloud and he didn't even grasp for it because, he's over that childish crush. He outgrew it. And then, Tifa was all so embarressed in the morning and saying that the highwind is quiet and would be lonely to cover the fact that she got rejected as Cloud no longer feel the same way anymore. And please, there's like, what, 2 or 3 versions to it but the default one is always the correct one as it was with the dating sequence.
TMA,
You ask if FF7 is mistranslated. What do you think? Of course, its mistranslated in so many ways with indirect translations. You think that something that comes from another country, like Japan, will stay with its original language. Unless you can read it or have a system that can played it, every media that comes to another country are always translated and many times its not even the original meanings of what was said or an indirect translations or even added sentences in.
But I doubt you can even read Japanese, that's why you bring up BS. Is that your only defense now, bringing up BS, because you're doubting yourself? Heh. I would called that doubting, to see that everyone else brought out good points, supporting points/agruments for Cloud and Aeris as the couple while you just bring BS because you can't bring up a good enough point/agrument of why Cloti is the couple since every point/agrument you brought up has been BS and counter out. Oh, then, what ya gonna do? Frustrated and a brain as small as a peanut, you flame and called people names, when up straight, it exactly describe you.

OMFG. >.< Now YOU'RE the one retorting to insults, biatch!

Tifa and Cloud's promise not being anything special? Then tell me, why was it there? Don't try to deny it. She never begged him for it either. I she did, then he wouldn't have kept it, but he DID. I don't know what you're fantasizing about. Why would something like that be in the game? :/ Lol. It's funny, because you people are telling us that we're grasping for straws, yet AC directly points to Cloud and Tifa. EVERYTHING, no doubt. Stop living in the past and look at the evidence that's in your face. Cloud was living with the orphans, if he wasn't then what's that picture on the wall? A chocobo? Don't make me laugh, hun. They are running a buisiness together. Aeris is DEAD. They had an encounter in the movie, but nothing happened. She was just glad that he saw her. He was forgiven. He's moven past the guilt, thanks to Tifa, that pulls him through. Now I know that I can't predict the ending in AC, but one thing's for sure, it isn't CloudxAeris. Stop daydreaming.

The lifestream scene is integral. There are three versions, but just like the date scene with Aeris, it's OPTIONAL. HA! It really doesn't matter, because it's soley your choice how he will react to her. If you got the good one, she says, "You were watching?" Ptf! Why would she be embarrassed about him not returning her feelings. Wtf? Nice imagination, but I really don't think people's brains work that way. Well mabe in your supposed Japan world they do...eck!

Japan, Japan, Japan. How many more lies about Japan to you need to conjure up before it gets old? Who gives a shit if I can't read Japanese, I'm sure you haven't read Japanese in your life! Wannabe. But alas, it's always in the CloudxAerith cult. Sadly. :.:

I didn't say that was meaningless, wow, Cloud had a crush on Tifa when he was little. I know that. More of that was wanting acceptence into the group, because he was always weak and left out. No one gave him that, so Cloud wanted to join soldier for attention, because of the lack of friends he had. How old was Cloud, I forget? Anways, it was a long time ago. Tifa really started to like him when he was gone, she kept wondering how he was doing, but Cloud didn't think about Tifa as much. They drifted apart. It was a childhood crush, him wanting friends, and wanting to be accepted.

Umm if you return to the nibelhiem mansion in disc 3 it kinda explains why Cloud didnt think about tifa- cos he was comatose in a tank for 5 years!

I know, he was in the tank, but Cloud had gotten over his crush. He didn't care about anyone or anything, until Aeris came along. Cloud had pretty much forgotten about Tifa when he returned to Midgar. Then later, they met up, and Cloud didn't seem very affectionate, did he? He was cold to her, and that hurt Tifa, because she realized he had moved on.

@TMA-

This isn't about AC, this is about final fantasy VII. And you shouldn't bash others for not knowing Japanese, when you don't kniw it either, ok? You said the date scene with Aeris is optional... well so is the one with Tifa. We don't know what happened udner the highwind that night, you could be right, but so could S. Yuffie. It doesn't matter.

Hey Tma, if you can't take the hheat then get out of the thread. By the way, why are you in this thread anyways?

Err Lunatic HighVII - Considering how buddy-buddy Cloud and Zack were (the cutscene you get in the Niblehiem mansion after Cloud 'finds himself) I doubt Zack would have killed Cloud, and Cos Cloud and Tifa were friends i expect Zach would have left her alone as well

This isn't about AC, this is about final fantasy VII. And you shouldn't bash others for not knowing Japanese, when you don't kniw it either, ok? You said the date scene with Aeris is optional... well so is the one with Tifa. We don't know what happened udner the highwind that night, you could be right, but so could S. Yuffie. It doesn't matter.

Wow! So you clearly ARE ignoring the facts then, eh? Well, I'm talking about the whole thing in general. But Kingdom Hearts doesn't count, as you Cloriths tend to think so much. Haha. Soo funny to hear you say that. And when was I the one bashing? It was Shinobi Yuffie that said I didn't know Japanese. You should watch what comes out of your mouth before you say something, because I guarantee you, withought this lame site, you wouldn't be relying on Japan this, Japan that. http://s8.************.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/index.php?act=idx (Destiny Fullfilleed) So stop sucking. "I want to meet you" Does not mean I want to have a relashionship with you or whatever, because one of my friend's friend's is Japanese and had no clue what she was talking about, so there!

You were bashing, calling Cloriths wanna bes, because they don't know Japanese.

I wasn't ignoring anything. I don't know why you won't understand this, so I'll keep saying it. We don't know what happens in AC, so we shouldn't assume anything. I didn't say anything about KH, so theirs a clorith for you. What facts am I supposidly ignoring, hm?

I think Clotis should open their own thread, this one used to be peaceful, like Huntress Krystle said.

What is the point in fighting about this. The way I see it, is there's no hard enough evidence to point cloud being with either Tifa or Aeris. So, untill AC comes out, it really leaves it up to you to think who he is with. I mean, people think who he's with, thats fine. But when it's fighting over it it is a little pointless. Let people have there opinion, as well as you keep yours. Like I said, the game itself doesn't say who he's with or gonna be with so nobody can say, oh, he's with this person cuz of this and this.

okay why can anyone accept the fact that cloud loved both but aeris did love zack before cloud..

You were bashing, calling Cloriths wanna bes, because they don't know Japanese.

I wasn't ignoring anything. I don't know why you won't understand this, so I'll keep saying it. We don't know what happens in AC, so we shouldn't assume anything. I didn't say anything about KH, so theirs a clorith for you. What facts am I supposidly ignoring, hm?

I think Clotis should open their own thread, this one used to be peaceful, like Huntress Krystle said.

I said SOME Cloriths, because 90% on forums these days love that site so much..OmFG jAPAN!11 They have no clue what they are talking about.

Bla, blah..We don't know what happens, eh? Yeah right. Because you're ignoring the facts that point to NO Clorith and at least some resolution to the love triangle.

LOLZ! You spammed up our thread, after I kept asking you nicely to get out, since you wouldn't listen. Now it's closed. Boohooo. :(

I barely posted in your thread, and I left when you asked everyone to...

I don't know what site you are referring to... :confused: So, I guess im not part of that 90%

Okay, if I'm ignoring facts, would you mind filling me in, with he facts I am ignoring? Obviously I am not aware of these, and Iwould like to be...

Please, no more arguing. You're going to get THIS thread closed. And we don't want that. Just start another Tifa thread, and keep it peaceful and it won't get closed. ;)

Fine. Have it your way..

Hahahahahaha... Tifa Martial Artist is being pretty rough about this whole thing. Well, guess she's like that, what can you do?

Well, looks like this thread is going dead. Here, let me help:

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well if you were cloud would u have love aeris or tifa?

Tifa. :)

NOTE: C'mon guys! Don't let this thread die like the CloudxTifa one did!

Hey TMA did you just say that because of her physic or do you truely like her better? Please give your reason

I would say Aeris because there IS nothing but love in her heart.

I just like her better..Cuz of everything, really.

Tifa. :)

NOTE: C'mon guys! Don't let this thread die like the CloudxTifa one did!

I'l keep this thread alive. Don't worry. I won't allow it to perish just like that, cuz I like this thread.

By the way, can someone define the term "clorith" (if that's how you spell it), because I don't know what this means.

Yeah, this thread seems to be pretty popular, but soon there won't be any more that you can say about Cloud and Aeris, so one of the mods will close it. =(

Clorith is the mixed term of Cloud and Aerith's names, so that's what Cloriths use.

Yeah, this thread seems to be pretty popular, but soon there won't be any more that you can say about Cloud and Aeris, so one of the mods will close it. =(

Yes, this is true. It is not just a normal discussion about Cloud and Aeris anymore. Now, more Cloud/Tifa fans show up, and talk about them, because the other tread got closed.

It is just sad that certain threads always have to end up this way. Talking about Cloud and Tifa all the time, is a way off topic, because it simply is Cloud and Aeris we should talk about in here.

I told everybody what I had to say, and I'm not going to change my opinion. Everybody else should do that too, instead of starting fights or senseless discussions. And I'm not wondering, if somebody closes this thread. :(

Well then let it die. Because CloudxTifa is the official couple anyway. The current evidence is proof of that. If you want me to, I'll be happy to post them.

Well then let it die. Because CloudxTifa is the official couple anyway. The current evidence is proof of that. If you want me to, I'll be happy to post them.

If people care, they'll search for it themselves.

Mickrulz I think there's enough evidence to support both the Cloriths and Clouti fans however i'll agree that there is no solid eveidence to totaly confrim the official coupling

If people care, they'll search for it themselves.

But the Cloriths are in denial. And it's pretty sad that they don't want to convert. :/

Denial of what? If anyone is denying anything, it's you denying that Cloud and Aeris bonded, and they both cared for each other. If you can't see that during the game, you're ignoring it.

Cloud and Aeris are the true couple, believe it or not, that's the way it is.

Umm, no, sorry hun. Unfortunetely YOU are. Aerith is DEAD. And she hasn't appeared in many trailers or scans in AC. Cloud and Tifa are the female lead. They have appeared on tickets and on billboards, suprising huh? Just like that little advertisment with Cloud and Aerith on a coke bottle..But wait! He was on a coke bottle with Squall too! So that must mean he loves Squall. OMFG YAOI! SQUARE, HOW COULD YOU? Plus he had been living with the orphans and Tifa BEFORE he went to the church, be he's hardly greiving. When Aerith forgives him, and tells him that it isn't his fault that she died, that's when he feels better. His friend forgave him. But later on, Denzel and Marlene wonder why Cloud is missing. Cloud had been with Tifa taking care of the orphans. They appear in a portrait together. Man+Woman=Babies! So how could someone like Cloud, who's working for the strife delivery service, work while he was in the church??? OMFG MY IT TOGGLES AT MY BRAIN! Just look at these DIRECT quotes. Jesus Christ, people, you take magazine speculation from 1 year ago, and twist it to fit your own, sick words. He WAS greiving. But not for a whole 2 years. He couldn't just have a job and come and go. It's not like that. Cloud and Tifa were together, but they were too afraid to admit what they felt. And he was pretty happy, too. UNTIL geostigma came, THEN he left, wanting to hide the truth from the orphans and his luv. :/ Ah..they act so much like an old, married couple don't you think? ^_~ Then, when it's a time of crisis, who pulls him forward? Oh, not his beloved Aerith, but TIFA! Tifa, the girl that bullied him, ignored him, the girl that he absolutely hated in FF7 and didn't have a crush on at all. No sirry-Bob. So that pretty mush blows your theory out the window. Have fun with your childish fantasies of dead people coming back to life. And also, you say, "But this is FF7 we're talking about, not blablabla yadayadayada." Well guess what, that just proved that you can't even fight back what I had said to you. Which means you're wrong. So stop living in the past.

Pwned.

And what's funny is these quotes are as official as you can get. Yet many Cloriths try to prove it wrong.

Tifa: "So this is why you left"

Tifa: "He's not here anymore"

Marlene: "Did he leave because he's sick?"

WCM: "I heard you've been living with the orphans"

Cloud: "Let's go home"

Double pwned. Can't counter that.

We are talking about ffVII not AC. If that's your proof, post it in AC, not in here. Cloud and Aeris are the couple of ffVII.

::laughs as off::

ROFLMAO!

Okay then, if you want proof, then here it is:


Everyone left to find what they're fighting for.

To that, Tifa stayed. I don't have to look for what I'm fighting for, Tifa taught me that----

Everyone came back. Barret too, Cid too, Red13 too. Midgar's (I forget the job title) Cait sith too. I was surprised Vincent came, he didn't seem to care of things. At last was Yuffie.

(a pep talk) To the northern crater!

I hope everything works out, and Aerith's prayer reaches the planet.

Ooooooh daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang.

Aeris at Gongaga:


Her initial attraction to Cloud apparently was "maybe, just maybe Cloud could be Zacks and everything would be as it was". It's only in Gongaga that Aerith realizes Cloud and Zacks are two different people.

It makes a lot of sense. Aerith is forward with Cloud, expecting so much out of him even though she doesn't know him and he doesn't know her.

"Turns out, it was my bad."
"But, Cloud is Cloud."
"But Cloud, is pretty slow."

It ends with her thinking that Cloud has taken very much to Zacks' ways but is still a dull/slow guy (that's the real Cloud).

Think of how Cloud could only answer to Aerith with things like "I dunno" or "Nothing much", completely oblivious of her feelings. Apparently Zacks was more lively and relatable for someone like Aerith. If Zacks was asked "what do you think of me?" I don't think he'd stare off into space like Cloud did.

And another interesting thing I found out was that, in the German version, Aerith says this:
well in my version [German Version] they talked about her early love [Zach] and then she said: "I want to be with you....."
Cloud said: "But I'm with you!"
She said in her mind: "I know......".

That's the scene. she just saw Zach in Cloud, she wanted to be with Zach.

Pwnt again.

Are those two things the only evidence you have? Hm, if I were to point out every little mistake Aeris had made during the game, it means they're not the couple doesn't it? No. Tifa has made mistakes too. It's almost like the election. Everyone points out the bad in other people, to make them look good. Why not just say the good in yourself, and people will like you for that. My point is, you can't just point out a few little slip-ups that Aerith has said, and use them against her saying that Cloud and Tifa are a couple.

Well miss, they aren't the ONLY Evidence, but if I had common sense, I would be smelling the Roses right about now. 0_0 Noboy's talking about the damn election. It's a videogame. That's what happened. Aerith died, what would've happened if she lived or not is anyone's guess, but she sure as hell isn't so um gee.....

I enjoy necrophilia.

Well miss, they aren't the ONLY Evidence, but if I had common sense, I would be smelling the Roses right about now. 0_0 Noboy's talking about the damn election. It's a videogame. That's what happened. Aerith died, what would've happened if she lived or not is anyone's guess, but she sure as hell isn't so um gee.....

I enjoy necrophilia.

You're sick...

Yeah, this thread seems to be pretty popular, but soon there won't be any more that you can say about Cloud and Aeris, so one of the mods will close it. =(
I won't say it's completely like that well about aeris in the movie how do you suppose that she's there also in ff tactics wierd she seems to travel to different time same as cloud...

sucks for me, since im inbetween the arguments. Yet as much as I think square wanted Aerith and Cloud to be together (and therefore made them 'official' as 'official' can be) Tifa and Cloud had the much stronger connection. I am a cloti fan, but I accept the cloriths and i can see what they are saying,
Cloti Side:
but when i first played the game, i seriously wanted Tifa and Cloud to be together in the end. The problem with childhood crushes is that is goes away, but the actual crush can develop and grow stronger in the end. From what ive seen, many people who grew up with a friend ended falling in love with them .. Tifa and Clouds relationship is sorta like that, he remembers her when he sees her, he remembers the promsie, she helps him out in his concious, the lifestream sequence, the highwind.

what of aerith though? when he first crashes the ceiling of the church and he sees her you are given those two options, either you remember her or you dont. From what I see, I think square wanted you to choose the direction of the love story. I think I can understand, that when Aerith saw cloud she thought of zack.. such as when they sit in the playground she speaks of her first love, cloud must have stirred some memories of zack in aeriths brain.
Clorith Side:
but aerith and cloud share that spiritual connection. when sephiroth kills her, he begins saying how he will never hear her laugh, get angry, or anything. even before that when they leave the Ancients Temple, and cloud wakes up in gongaga (or somewhere around there) did he not have a dream of Aerith in the Forest? He decided to follow her, because he knew she was searching for something. I wouldnt call this actual love, but I would call it a connection of some sort, that could lead to love depending on your view. When she dies, cloud lays her down in the water and continues the journey to save the planet to fuffill aeriths path. but what of it? its a connection.. can it actually be love though?


I dont know, but I still like TifaxCloud so much better..

Guys Guys stop arguing! Okay believe what you wanna and duke this out over pm.

Okay I'm sry evryone on my buddy list and TMA but..... well how shall i put this...

TIFA SUCKS!!!!!!!! RECOGNIZE MY NAME?! She's a girl with big breasts and just wants to be wit cloud. Aeris liked cloud and didi ysa notice cloud cried!!!!! He grieveing so get over it TMA,

I don't wanna hear a notha word from you anymore. Talk to the hand. Don't go there girlfriend, *snap, snap* imhm.

LMFAO omg that was funny!

ahh so tifa has big breasts?! so what! Aerith must have something under that dress also right?

Guys Guys stop arguing! Okay believe what you wanna and duke this out over pm.

Okay I'm sry evryone on my buddy list and TMA but..... well how shall i put this...

TIFA SUCKS!!!!!!!! RECOGNIZE MY NAME?! She's a girl with big breasts and just wants to be wit cloud. Aeris liked cloud and didi ysa notice cloud cried!!!!! He grieveing so get over it TMA,

I don't wanna hear a notha word from you anymore. Talk to the hand. Don't go there girlfriend, *snap, snap* imhm.

Wow... :laugh: Go Aerisfreak :)

and Solaris, yes, it was quite funny. :)

Guys Guys stop arguing! Okay believe what you wanna and duke this out over pm.

Okay I'm sry evryone on my buddy list and TMA but..... well how shall i put this...

TIFA SUCKS!!!!!!!! RECOGNIZE MY NAME?! She's a girl with big breasts and just wants to be wit cloud. Aeris liked cloud and didi ysa notice cloud cried!!!!! He grieveing so get over it TMA,

I don't wanna hear a notha word from you anymore. Talk to the hand. Don't go there girlfriend, *snap, snap* imhm.
your talking like tifa is evil...

sucks for me, since im inbetween the arguments. Yet as much as I think square wanted Aerith and Cloud to be together (and therefore made them 'official' as 'official' can be) Tifa and Cloud had the much stronger connection. I am a cloti fan, but I accept the cloriths and i can see what they are saying,
Cloti Side:
but when i first played the game, i seriously wanted Tifa and Cloud to be together in the end. The problem with childhood crushes is that is goes away, but the actual crush can develop and grow stronger in the end. From what ive seen, many people who grew up with a friend ended falling in love with them .. Tifa and Clouds relationship is sorta like that, he remembers her when he sees her, he remembers the promsie, she helps him out in his concious, the lifestream sequence, the highwind.

what of aerith though? when he first crashes the ceiling of the church and he sees her you are given those two options, either you remember her or you dont. From what I see, I think square wanted you to choose the direction of the love story. I think I can understand, that when Aerith saw cloud she thought of zack.. such as when they sit in the playground she speaks of her first love, cloud must have stirred some memories of zack in aeriths brain.
Clorith Side:
but aerith and cloud share that spiritual connection. when sephiroth kills her, he begins saying how he will never hear her laugh, get angry, or anything. even before that when they leave the Ancients Temple, and cloud wakes up in gongaga (or somewhere around there) did he not have a dream of Aerith in the Forest? He decided to follow her, because he knew she was searching for something. I wouldnt call this actual love, but I would call it a connection of some sort, that could lead to love depending on your view. When she dies, cloud lays her down in the water and continues the journey to save the planet to fuffill aeriths path. but what of it? its a connection.. can it actually be love though?


I dont know, but I still like TifaxCloud so much better..

You have some really great points there, thanks for expressing your opinion nicely. :)

I know what you mean, of Cloud and Tifa, because they knew each other as children. But, would you want to fall in love with someone who hung out with a group that made fun of you, and never let you in, or even gave you a chance to prove yourself? I'm not pinning this on Tifa, but if you were Cloud, would you not think twice about it, when they never thought twice of you?

Aerith and Cloud did have a spiritual connection, but could it have been more? Cloud's mom says he needs someone older, well, Aerith is older. Cait Sith says they're compatible, and Aerith's death caused Cloud to have emotion. He cried, and it made him lost, because Aerith gave him hope, before. She was always there to guide him. After her death, he said he didn't know what to do, because Aerith wasn't there with him anymore. :( Plus, she has a great personality to counter Cloud's coldhearted personality. Not that Tifa doesn't have a warm hearted personality, but she's just too shy for Cloud.

sry guys if way too harsh. i thought i had a moment hehe no, i just don't like tifa, sry if harsh to any Clotis

Don't make fun of me!!!!

hey jiro i go wit you too i hate sephiroth too. for the same reason.

I suppose everyone has a character they hate like me hating sepiroth for killing aeris..

Guys Guys stop arguing! Okay believe what you wanna and duke this out over pm.

Okay I'm sry evryone on my buddy list and TMA but..... well how shall i put this...

TIFA SUCKS!!!!!!!! RECOGNIZE MY NAME?! She's a girl with big breasts and just wants to be wit cloud. Aeris liked cloud and didi ysa notice cloud cried!!!!! He grieveing so get over it TMA,

I don't wanna hear a notha word from you anymore. Talk to the hand. Don't go there girlfriend, *snap, snap* imhm.

OMG LYKE REALLY?!!?!1111 BuT ClOuD wAS fOrGiVen By aERith

Here's a nice pic of Cloud and Aeris

Sexy :) Cloud looks young. o.o?

I know what you mean, of Cloud and Tifa, because they knew each other as children. But, would you want to fall in love with someone who hung out with a group that made fun of you, and never let you in, or even gave you a chance to prove yourself? I'm not pinning this on Tifa, but if you were Cloud, would you not think twice about it, when they never thought twice of you?
Dude, it wasn't the children of Nibelheim that rejected Cloud. Cloud had this ego problem. He longed for acceptance and closeness but he also strived to be the best, which, tore him from the group. He says all this shit himself in the lifestream sequence. The kids picked on him because of this.


Aerith and Cloud did have a spiritual connection, but could it have been more? Cloud's mom says he needs someone older, well, Aerith is older. Cait Sith says they're compatible, and Aerith's death caused Cloud to have emotion. He cried, and it made him lost, because Aerith gave him hope, before. She was always there to guide him. After her death, he said he didn't know what to do, because Aerith wasn't there with him anymore. :( Plus, she has a great personality to counter Cloud's coldhearted personality. Not that Tifa doesn't have a warm hearted personality, but she's just too shy for Cloud.
When Aeris died, Cloud still wasn't himself. She wasn't always there to guide him, either. Who doesn't get emotional when someone close to you dies? Was Cloud the only character that was pissed off/sad/confused about what to do next? And, Cloud doesn't have a coldhearted personality. Cloud with Zack's SOLDIER mindset does.

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Nevermind on all that!

So what do you think will happen at the end of AC?

You have some really great points there, thanks for expressing your opinion nicely. :)

I know what you mean, of Cloud and Tifa, because they knew each other as children. But, would you want to fall in love with someone who hung out with a group that made fun of you, and never let you in, or even gave you a chance to prove yourself? I'm not pinning this on Tifa, but if you were Cloud, would you not think twice about it, when they never thought twice of you?

Aerith and Cloud did have a spiritual connection, but could it have been more? Cloud's mom says he needs someone older, well, Aerith is older. Cait Sith says they're compatible, and Aerith's death caused Cloud to have emotion. He cried, and it made him lost, because Aerith gave him hope, before. She was always there to guide him. After her death, he said he didn't know what to do, because Aerith wasn't there with him anymore. :( Plus, she has a great personality to counter Cloud's coldhearted personality. Not that Tifa doesn't have a warm hearted personality, but she's just too shy for Cloud.


Well think about it, it wasnt really Tifa's fault was it? When your at that age you really dont pay attention to who your hurting. Tifa still wanted Cloud to be part of the group right? She still acted nice to him when the other guys werent around, and she just went with the flow so as not to loose popularity. Like in mt. nibel there was a scence that cloud kept going foward and everyone else went away, only Tifa continued to go with him. She wasnt that bad as many people put her out to be (not saying you).

Sure, Aeriths personality is nice and warm, but sometimes not even the warmest personalities can penetrate coldheartdness. Tifa is just as optimistic, though she is more pensieve and seems to way out the pro's and con's. Thats, what I believe, the only real fault of Tifas, she overanalyzes everything and tends to feel vicitimized. But Tifas will is pretty strong, considering the one she loves may love her best friend. And what of Cait Sith? Its a fortune.. do all fortunes come out to be true?

And when Sephiroth slashed Tifa, Cloud had just as much emotion no? He took zacks sword and went to attack sephiroth, even if he was weaker. I think that amounts to something.

No, you're right, it wasn't Tifa who did it, but picture it through Cloud's eyes. He didn't know Tifa very well, all he knew was that she was beautiful, and hung out with the group which he wanted to belong in. Cloud didn't know what kind of person she was, at first. I'm only saying, Cloud may have judged her by who she hung out with.

Tifa has little faults, but so does Aeris. True, Tifa is just as optimistic, but she sometimes has troubles expressing her feelings, like most normal human being tends to do once in while. I just think, a more outgoing person would be more suitable for Cloud.

Cloud reacted to Tifa's slash with emotion, as well as Aerith's death. For Tifa, he was thirsty for revenge, for everything Sephiroth had done. Tifa was the only one who listened to him, when he was a left out child. This hurt him. Tifa's slash was the icing on the cake, to all of what Sephiroth had done. Of course, I don't say Cloud doesn't love Tifa, just that, he has more of a romantic relationship with Aerith. Through the whole game, Aerith's and Cloud's relationship continues to increase, and then, her death, is sort of like a climax of the story. Everything falls from there, Cloud loses hope, the party is sad. But, there is one person to bring them back up again, who is Tifa. That's why I consider Tifa to be like a sister to Cloud, because she's there for him when he needs her, but there isn't really a passionate romance between them.

Well put. That is so true.

No, you're right, it wasn't Tifa who did it, but picture it through Cloud's eyes. He didn't know Tifa very well, all he knew was that she was beautiful, and hung out with the group which he wanted to belong in. Cloud didn't know what kind of person she was, at first. I'm only saying, Cloud may have judged her by who she hung out with.

Tifa has little faults, but so does Aeris. True, Tifa is just as optimistic, but she sometimes has troubles expressing her feelings, like most normal human being tends to do once in while. I just think, a more outgoing person would be more suitable for Cloud.

Cloud reacted to Tifa's slash with emotion, as well as Aerith's death. For Tifa, he was thirsty for revenge, for everything Sephiroth had done. Tifa was the only one who listened to him, when he was a left out child. This hurt him. Tifa's slash was the icing on the cake, to all of what Sephiroth had done. Of course, I don't say Cloud doesn't love Tifa, just that, he has more of a romantic relationship with Aerith. Through the whole game, Aerith's and Cloud's relationship continues to increase, and then, her death, is sort of like a climax of the story. Everything falls from there, Cloud loses hope, the party is sad. But, there is one person to bring them back up again, who is Tifa. That's why I consider Tifa to be like a sister to Cloud, because she's there for him when he needs her, but there isn't really a passionate romance between them.

Cant Aerith seem like a sister also? I mean she seems to bring him out of darkness and stick by him. Somehow in the way ive been raised only family can really do that. Aerith has just as much trouble expressing her feelings, since she never openly expresses that she loves cloud. I think Tifa has more openly expressed her feelings, since childhood and afterwards.

he has more of a romantic relationship with Aerith.

Erm....No. >_>

I'm glad TMA finally made a Cloti thread. I hope this will stop the bashing of Clorith. And I still think Cloud and Aeris are meant to be.

Okay. But guys...Instead of arguing about it you should like, be posting pictures and discussing..stuff.

play the game and you'll see cloud sniffing and jacking tifa's panty..
I don't know if your'e pulling straws out of mid air or anything but cloud was not trying to sniff or jack tifa's underwear. That underwear could of came from anywhere.

Ha, and I found it "interesting" that Cloud laughed while telling the story...while jacking Tifa's undies.

The choice of finding Tifas underwear was totally optional and it was ment to be funny it was 'orthopedic underwear' nothing sexy

I don't know if your'e pulling straws out of mid air or anything but cloud was not trying to sniff or jack tifa's underwear. That underwear could of came from anywhere.
he did twices in the story he was telling and when he came back to get tifa's final limit final heaven

but that doesnt prove anything at all! he could have sniffed Aerith's underwear if they put it in the game!

True Solaris. Besides, I'm petty sure that looking at the underwear is optional... but it doesn't matter, because it doesn't have anything to do with this thread.

Bring up better evidence people, besides the optional things!

OMFG
you guys seriously need to shut the hell up about the orthopedic undies, especially since they belong to...tifa!
did aeris have those!
no. hell no.
i suggest you get back on topic of the stupid convos on how cloud and aeris are "trully meant to be..."
*hurls lunch*
pansies.

*Blushing* thanks i've never been called funny ( even kinda funny) before...

A Tifa/Yuffie, interesting idea......

i reckon it would be and it shines a whole new perspective on it just cause it wasnt played out doesnt mean it is not true like maybe barret and aeris or vincent and tifa could have been perfect couples who klnows the only reason this debate takes place is cause they play on that with aeris tifa cloud.

Oh yes. If you wanna bring those optional stuff, you might as well talk about Cloud keeping his sexy colgone,his bikini briefs or how about his silky shimmering blue dress along with the tiara. Oh yes, maybe Cloud likes to crossdress or how about him getting in the tub with a bunch of guys. Gawd, he passed out and got his first kiss from a guy.
if you wanna talk about optional stuff, you might as well bring this up too, then, since all of those are for funny/fun factor of which gets the story rolling and the gamer not bored.
Selphie, interesting perspective.
But you know, it was thought out with the Cloud/yuffie thing and other pairs and yet got bombard by others and BS by. I'm all open to those ideas since I would find it interesting.

Yeah....And when soon find out in Cloud's flashback that he's always had a crush on Tifa...That's meaningless...Uh-huh.
Of course it's meaningless now! It was 5 years ago. So if you have crush on someone would that mean you will have that same crush for 5 years. It's more likely you outgrow that crush.

But in Cloud and Tifa's case that is not so...For you see, they made love underneath the highwind while Aerith watched from above.

Really, you don't know what happened under the highwind... alright? Even if Tifa just slept, leaning on Cloud, she could have been embarrassed about being seen. Tifa is shy, and easily embarrassed. I really don't think they made love under the highwind...

that's true. you don't know what happened that night.
besides Cloud was a wimp when it came to girls so he probably just minded his own business.

maybe he doesn't deserve any of the girls.

Uh-huh. This is really coming out of nowhere of where there's no evidence to indicate that Cloud and Tifa made love. For all it is, she basically poured her heart and feelings to Cloud, trying to get a reconfirmation from him that he feel the same way. Yes, she even cry with a sniff sniff but what did Cloud really do, nothing I can say as he was quite far from her. And in the morining, Why would Tifa comment on how lonely the Highwind is? It might as says that Cloud is not interested in her anymore and sees her as a friend, so she's hiding that embarressment from Cloud. And don't give me she's embarressed cause they made love thing. That's the lamest excuse ever and doesn't portray the state she is is. Like shinobiyuffie said, there's at least 2 or 3 versions to this and the default is the correct one. That correct one is where Cloud and Tifa comes to an understanding of who is in Cloud's heart and how he doesn't feel the same way as Tifa.
Sheesh. Someone mention about the "Dating" thing and how Tifa is the main one and Aeris and everyone else is optional. Really, I guess when hundreds of other player played, and then got Aeris first, because she's the default one, set in motion by SE itself to get the story rolling. Her story was the true scenario and the true date. You might as well been mean to Aeris and got Tifa and then try to claim that she's the true one. Uh-huh. That reasoning need work since its not even true. Of how about being mean to both girls and get Yuffie. You might as well say that Yuffie is the true date too or Barret.
There's a difference, and the default choice is always the correct one or mode. Play other games and see it for yourself. I've played enough to know that all others are for the fun factor or challenge.
And really, using the same arguement of Cloud is Zack and Aeris only like Cloud because he look like Zack is really...getting old. Is it like, everything that was talk about and vital got picked apart and only the info. you want get posted into your agrument. Try better. As Cloud confuse some of his memories with Zack but yet he still remembers Tifa and everything else in his life. Confusing some of your memories is not the same as trying to act as someone else. He thought he was Soldier, he thought he came that day to Neilbihelm but soon found out that it wasn't him. Can Cloud be blame for that? No. He had a lot of Mako poisioning which really mess him up and confuse some of his memories with Zack. But then again, who wants to feel like a loser when you didn't make it into Soldier, so Cloud might as well borrow a few memories to not look like a loser.
Instead of trying to tear it apart, pay attention to every detail as Aeris admitted herself to Cloud the difference between Cloud and Zack. She saw similarities but realize the difference that Cloud and Zack are two different people. Cloud reminded her of Zack, so Aeris saw Zack in Cloud but later on realize that they are two different people.
Really, set it straight as most of it is really..nonsense.

Really, you don't know what happened under the highwind... alright? Even if Tifa just slept, leaning on Cloud, she could have been embarrassed about being seen. Tifa is shy, and easily embarrassed. I really don't think they made love under the highwind...

Exactly, We arent sure what happened on the highwind so its best not to assume things. But for anything, I think at the moment when they were under the highwind, from what you see they had a pretty touching moment together. Sharing old feelings you know?

And as aeriscloud say, maybe it was a hint that Cloud was distancing himself from tifa. as not to hurt her to much, knowing that he loves aerith...

ok, and im sorry im jumping from side to side. but I think square wanted Cloud and Aerith to be together. But I am a cloti fan.

Uh-huh. This is really coming out of nowhere of where there's no evidence to indicate that Cloud and Tifa made love. For all it is, she basically poured her heart and feelings to Cloud, trying to get a reconfirmation from him that he feel the same way. Yes, she even cry with a sniff sniff but what did Cloud really do, nothing I can say as he was quite far from her. And in the morining, Why would Tifa comment on how lonely the Highwind is? It might as says that Cloud is not interested in her anymore and sees her as a friend, so she's hiding that embarressment from Cloud. And don't give me she's embarressed cause they made love thing. That's the lamest excuse ever and doesn't portray the state she is is. Like shinobiyuffie said, there's at least 2 or 3 versions to this and the default is the correct one. That correct one is where Cloud and Tifa comes to an understanding of who is in Cloud's heart and how he doesn't feel the same way as Tifa.
Sheesh. Someone mention about the "Dating" thing and how Tifa is the main one and Aeris and everyone else is optional. Really, I guess when hundreds of other player played, and then got Aeris first, because she's the default one, set in motion by SE itself to get the story rolling. Her story was the true scenario and the true date. You might as well been mean to Aeris and got Tifa and then try to claim that she's the true one. Uh-huh. That reasoning need work since its not even true. Of how about being mean to both girls and get Yuffie. You might as well say that Yuffie is the true date too or Barret.
There's a difference, and the default choice is always the correct one or mode. Play other games and see it for yourself. I've played enough to know that all others are for the fun factor or challenge.
And really, using the same arguement of Cloud is Zack and Aeris only like Cloud because he look like Zack is really...getting old. Is it like, everything that was talk about and vital got picked apart and only the info. you want get posted into your agrument. Try better. As Cloud confuse some of his memories with Zack but yet he still remembers Tifa and everything else in his life. Confusing some of your memories is not the same as trying to act as someone else. He thought he was Soldier, he thought he came that day to Neilbihelm but soon found out that it wasn't him. Can Cloud be blame for that? No. He had a lot of Mako poisioning which really mess him up and confuse some of his memories with Zack. But then again, who wants to feel like a loser when you didn't make it into Soldier, so Cloud might as well borrow a few memories to not look like a loser.
Instead of trying to tear it apart, pay attention to every detail as Aeris admitted herself to Cloud the difference between Cloud and Zack. She saw similarities but realize the difference that Cloud and Zack are two different people. Cloud reminded her of Zack, so Aeris saw Zack in Cloud but later on realize that they are two different people.
Really, set it straight as most of it is really..nonsense.

I completely agree with aeriscloud. There is no evidence that Cloud and Tifa made love under the highwind. Tifa could have been embarrassed for many reasons. One being, embarressment of Cloud not feeling the same way she does, another being, she was snuggling up next to Cloud, which may have embarrassed her. Anything couldhave happened. Aeris is the defult date of the game, because that's the way the story is supposed to lean. Square intended for Aeris and Cloud to be together. The reason they wanted you to get attatched to her, was so that you could feel Cloud's pain, when she was killed. It was his true love, and then, she was torn away from him... Aeris didn't just see the Zack in Cloud!! Maybe, her first impression was "hmm, he kinda looks like Zack..." That isn't why she liked him. She saw Cloud as Cloud, nothing else. When does it say anything about her liking the Zack in Cloud?

@Solaris: Its good, to be in between. It shows you understand the game, and admit it differs from your liking. :)

Blablahblah. I assume none of you can take a joke then. Well, Cloud and Tifa did do somthing naughty, and then they quickly put their clothes back on...so that's why you think that they didn't do anything.

geez tma. u love to assume things even though u have no proof for them.

Yep, that's me. ::rolls eyes::

well everyone here knows that at the end cloud went to the promise to see aeris right just imagine what happen since the movie is not out yet...

Hmmm....no. That's only assumptation. If he ever did went and found the promise land, wouldn't the movie not be about him giving up his life ? Or thinking that everything is hopeless? That's where parts of some of the scenes contradict what you're saying. Yes, its true he wanted to see the Promise Land because that is where he can meet her. And yet, I find it odd that many Cloti will consider that to be Cloud and Tifa promising to meet her. Really? I guess the facts were ignore when Cloud kept looking forward, didn't even acknowledge Tifa when she said they were going together because Cloud spoke as himself and himself only. He never say "Let's go" or "Tifa,let's go together". His dialogue was in first person only and talks about himself. Please, Cloud is not a normal human as most assume. He had merge with a lot of Mako but yet he still felt Aeris's presence, Sephi.'s presence, Aeris being in danger and her prayer not getting through. If he was a "normal" human, he would not be able to felt such things.
Please, TMA,
Is that all you can do? Trying to act like little ms. Innocent now? 'I don't flame or called people names..blah blah blah...stop arguing.." I guess you didn't learn from your first mistake and if you wanna claim that your so called posts are ripping cloriths points apart, think again of how lame your posts are and got shredded by two. Oh, yet again you skipped over the most thoughtful, intellectual post that actually proves points and support and come with BS. really, try harder or do you need a hint of how lame some of your posts were and got shredded in two. Try the "Why FF7 isn't so great thread", Gawd. It got shredded in two because you don't know how to grasp the concept and try to be, what, control freak type 2, someone who thinks they know everything and assumes this and that and think they're so right. Oh yes, if you wanna slang at me, try harder because I don't need to know how lame so your posts were to know that it got shredded. And please, trying to claim that Cloriths are using fan magazines, how hypocrite are you, when you're using those same so called "fan magazines" for your little argument. In fact, did you already see the movie? What, you can see the future that's why the movie is screaming Cloti?Gawd, really try harder. Since you can't do neither, try to say that Cloriths are doing assumptions on the movie when you, yourself are doing it. If you wanna gave your little Cloti interpretation, any neutral can see its in between. Or do you not know how trailers work? Bit and pieces with dialogue doesn't really prove anything and the movie is like what, 70% complete or something, so the movie can turn out to be different. If you wanna say that all trailers end up the way you want to see it, try harder. It doesn't always work that way.

argh, this debate is tiresome...

all the necessary evidence has been put forward, the Cloud/Zack thing, the date, reactions at certain points in the game, and all of it makes sense.

1. Cloud had failed as a SOLDIER, this embarassed him , so he utilised Zack, Zacks memories and manerisms to portray a member of SOLDIER, Aeris obviously saw this, thats why she says " I want to meet the real you"

2. Clouds hole reason for joining Soldier was to get Tifa to notice him, he might not have joined if he relised that Tifa only ignored him because her mother had recently died.

3. at gongaga both Tifa and Aeris react strongly, Tifa because of the Nibelhiem incident, Aeris because she loved Zack.

4. Clouds reaction to Aeris's death " my eyes are burning...my mouth is dry...my hands are shaking" he probably would have said that if it had been Tifa, he cared for BOTH of them.

5. just because Aeris dies does not automatically mean Cloud ends up with Tifa is true, but if Aeris had lived then a Cloud/Aeris pairing is equally uncertain

6. who knows what happened under the Highwind, there are a number of possibilities as to tifa's embarrasment, but it can be twisted to suit either side. tifa and Cloud may have gotten closer, they may have become further apart

7. the gold Saucer date scene is unreliable, you can end up with any of the characters just depending on how you play the game, so to use that as a reason is illogical

8. Aeris will only make Cloud open up IF YOU WANT HIM TO, again this evidence is only down to how you play the game..

there are more points still but i hope my message is across

Your message is. Both pairings are uncertain.

Let's just wait for AC and see who Cloud really ends up with. These debates are tiresome >_< they lead to nowhere

Anyway, i just wanna share this super nice fanart of Cloud and Aeris! They look great together, don't they? :)

http://tinypic.com/mlu7l

Hmmm....no. That's only assumptation. If he ever did went and found the promise land, wouldn't the movie not be about him giving up his life ? Or thinking that everything is hopeless? That's where parts of some of the scenes contradict what you're saying. Yes, its true he wanted to see the Promise Land because that is where he can meet her. And yet, I find it odd that many Cloti will consider that to be Cloud and Tifa promising to meet her. Really? I guess the facts were ignore when Cloud kept looking forward, didn't even acknowledge Tifa when she said they were going together because Cloud spoke as himself and himself only. He never say "Let's go" or "Tifa,let's go together". His dialogue was in first person only and talks about himself. Please, Cloud is not a normal human as most assume. He had merge with a lot of Mako but yet he still felt Aeris's presence, Sephi.'s presence, Aeris being in danger and her prayer not getting through. If he was a "normal" human, he would not be able to felt such things.
Please, TMA,
Is that all you can do? Trying to act like little ms. Innocent now? 'I don't flame or called people names..blah blah blah...stop arguing.." I guess you didn't learn from your first mistake and if you wanna claim that your so called posts are ripping cloriths points apart, think again of how lame your posts are and got shredded by two. Oh, yet again you skipped over the most thoughtful, intellectual post that actually proves points and support and come with BS. really, try harder or do you need a hint of how lame some of your posts were and got shredded in two. Try the "Why FF7 isn't so great thread", Gawd. It got shredded in two because you don't know how to grasp the concept and try to be, what, control freak type 2, someone who thinks they know everything and assumes this and that and think they're so right. Oh yes, if you wanna slang at me, try harder because I don't need to know how lame so your posts were to know that it got shredded. And please, trying to claim that Cloriths are using fan magazines, how hypocrite are you, when you're using those same so called "fan magazines" for your little argument. In fact, did you already see the movie? What, you can see the future that's why the movie is screaming Cloti?Gawd, really try harder. Since you can't do neither, try to say that Cloriths are doing assumptions on the movie when you, yourself are doing it. If you wanna gave your little Cloti interpretation, any neutral can see its in between. Or do you not know how trailers work? Bit and pieces with dialogue doesn't really prove anything and the movie is like what, 70% complete or something, so the movie can turn out to be different. If you wanna say that all trailers end up the way you want to see it, try harder. It doesn't always work that way.

Oh, gawd. Just STFU already. I have evidence from the movie. EVERYTHING POINTS TO CLOUD ATLEAST LIVING WITH TIFA. Why is it even so hard to acknoledge that they are friends? Simple, Clorith see it as a threat, and please, save your whiny ass bitching arguments for another thread. So now you're suddenly saying, "Let's wait till the movie is over." Your arguments are weak. And when the f**k was I getting my info form old outdated magazines? Get your info straight. It's growing tiresome. I win, you lose. Look who's backed up in a corner now. I beg to differ that it's me. I BEG TO DIFFER.

Tifa Martial Artist, you're beginning to get into my nerves. I think you're being insultive already. U already made your cloti thread, right? why are u still posting your stupid rants here? U should learn to accept other people's opinions whether they're true or not. Stop insulting the cloriths, or better yet, stop posting here. Cos no matter how hard you try, u CANNOT break the aeris&cloud fans, okay? So just shut up already. This thread is pro-Cloud/Aeris. Bear with it!

Oh, well. Bear with me please. So it's not okay for me to give facts and proof, but it's okay when Shinobi Yuffie flames me? Well too bad. I won't stop because I want to watch your pride slip away.

Krystle, I'm gonna say the same thing to you that I've said on many other occasions. A discussion is worthless if everyone agrees. However, I must say that TMA is a disgrace to the very concept of a debate because of her "I made my point so shut up! The discussion's over!" attitude. The disrespect she shows the other side makes it almost impossible to take her seriously as an opponent.

For the record, I don't give a damn about the Cloud/Aeris/Tifa thing, so it doesn't matter to me which side is right, assuming one is even correct.

Hey, If I'm right I'm right. All I'm saying is they flame me for my info.

But if you're right, then you should try to make people see it. Don't just say, "I'm right, so STFU."

That kind of disrespect is the reason you get flamed. If you stay civil, you can use that to force others to do the same. If someone still flames you when you've called them on it, they discredit themselves.

OMG Prak can I bare your children?



If that doesn't work go to www.aerisonline.com

hawt

Prak: I know. this thread would be worthless if there are no debates. But I just think TMA's hitting most of the clorith fans below the belt. And I totally agree w/u that she doesnt know how to respect others' opinions.

TMA: When it comes to flaming, i think you're the champion. Shinobi may have bashed you but what you did to her, and to the other members was worse. Actually, now, I can fully understand why u were banned in another forum. Maybe there's really something wrong w/u and u need to change. If you'll continue flaming the Cloriths, what's the purpose of your Cloti thread? No ones forcing u to stop posting here, but for you to call people names and insult them is just too much. Remember, this thread is for Aeris/Cloud discussion and nothing else. I dont think lines such as "save your whiny ass bitching arguments" are necessary. And now, I can see that Prak's your new target. When will u grow up. Lastly, someone like you will never win and will always end up a loser. Accept that.

But I just think TMA's hitting most of the clorith fans below the belt.

Ewww gross.


Actually, now, I can fully understand why u were banned in another forum.

No you can't. I never participated in any LT debates. I would just spam constantly, but that's when I was a n00b.

Yes, I suck so bad. I flame everyone.

Here's an example of my rudeness...lesse...I make a joke about Cloud and Tifa having sex under the highwind..And then it's OMFG INsUlT T_M_A!11 Then Shinobi Yuffie started attacking me. So no, it wasn't my fault.

how old are you? really?

What does that have to do with this topic? I'm 13...why?

has everything to do with your arguments against cloriths. 13 and already a fanatic.
you should get a life and wait till the movie is out. kind of useless spreading all your evidence now just to make a point that isn't all that important.

You obviosuly came just to insult. I correct what you said. I'm only a 13 year-old fanatic. But you're already 18 and still a fanatic. Get a life. You probably don't even have a job yet.

heheh nice try. but why am i a fanatic? because i like games? then millions of people are fanatics because of that. i used to debate about this too but i realized that it's pointless to do so especially with people like you

and see what i mean when i say your age has everything to do with it? the arguments you come up with are all sad and miserable. especially when you try to insult others

I'm lost...CARE TO ELABORATE?

actually no. if you don't get what i'm saying it's not my problem

god is dead: i have a strong feeling she wont stop flaming and spamming cos she wants this thread closed because she despises the cloriths too much. hehe. tough luck. i just hope she wont get banned AGAIN.

get a life TMA. and face it, u cannot rip the cloriths piece by piece. not even in ur dreams. just post your worthless rants in your beloved cloti thread.

heheh i think you're right. i really like picking on little kids like her. makes life more fun

actually no. if you don't get what i'm saying it's not my problem

It will be in the near future when you interact with real people. When they try to understand your point.


get a life TMA. and face it, u cannot rip the cloriths piece by piece. not even in ur dreams. just post your worthless rants in your beloved cloti thread.

OMG I'M SO SCARED. Turns out I have been ripping the Cloriths apart, yet they deny the Clotiness. I don't have a life. OMFG I DON'T. It seems that's the most common insult anyone can come up with. Why resort to personal attacks when you don't even know the person? Plus telling them that is a lame excuse for their good arguments that they throw in your face.

i get the feeling i interact with real people more than you do. you're probably just one of those lonely people nobody likes and so you come here to vent your frustations and try to make a point. when you grow up a little maybe life'll get easier for you *pats head*

Unfortunetely, no. I'm sure normal people your age wouldn't waste their time joining forums when you could be working, haha...idiot.

And I do get human interaction. I'm not the one with zits on my face.

You should ask that to yourself TMA. Why are u insulting and attacking other members when u dont know them personally. If u didnt do that, no one would bash you. You started it. So dont go telling 'dont attack me cos u dont know me personally' when you're doing it yourself. Stop being a hypocrite.

you don't know if i have a job or not so assumptions like that will get you nowhere. that's the second time you try that. you really are a desperate loser.

and i bet you get human interaction "look there goes the freak nobody likes"

and btw there are older people than me in foruns. this is an alternate way to interact since life sometimes can get hard or simply boring. oh i'm sorry you wouldn't know anything about that yet.

You should ask that to yourself TMA. Why are u insulting and attacking other members when u dont know them personally. If u didnt do that, no one would bash you. You started it. So dont go telling 'dont attack me cos u dont know me personally' when you're doing it yourself. Stop being a hypocrite.

How am I being a hypocrite? He started it. So I'm just throwing him a peice of his own medicine.


you really are a desperate loser.

Uh-huh. I go picking fights on web-forums for absolutely no reasen.


and i bet you get human interaction "look there goes the freak nobody likes"

That's why I have friends. That's why I have an AB average. And that's also why I have the intelligence to debate properly.


and btw there are older people than me in foruns. this is an alternate way to interact since life sometimes can get hard or simply boring. oh i'm sorry you wouldn't know anything about that yet.

But you just said I'm one of those people that goes to web forums to vent my frustrations out. Twisting your words, eh?

there's too many reasons why someone would join. yours is that of a kid who has no life, i picked on you because i know what you are like in here and as for the intelligence to debate properly... LOLOL

you're the one twisting words when you have nothing else to say.

o_O Okay I understand some of it.....But once again, personal attacks are just lame.

there... my post count has gone up and i had some fun... my work for today is complete

Can we get back on track now, unless of course you want this thread closed.

LOL, congrats on that, God is dead. Everthing that was said I'll have to agree. And please, TMA, you claim to know how to debate, uh-huh, try harder. You can't grasp the concept. And please, you're ripping the Cloriths apart. All of your so call non-bias posts screams BIAS cloti. Everything is about Cloti, Cloud never gave a damn about Aeris. Oh yes, try harder, you bias Cloti. Trying to nit-pick the things you want and ignoring, what, that's right, all the vital parts and events, doens't even prove your so- called debate. Hah! Don't make me laugh since your so-called it proves everything argument has been nit-picked and shredded apart by other members. But wait, that's right, you ignore it, skipped over it, and trys to come up with something new out of your desperation and frustration proving that its ripping others discussion posts out, when in fact, OMG, it was countered out and you can't come up with anything new. So if you wanna claim your so-called glory of shredding everyone's post, you made a fool outta yourself. Anyone can agree with that, even those on "FF7 not so great" thread.
Hey, aeriscloud,
I have a question for you. You been studying Japanese for 4 years and still is, can you tell me what this FF7 Dismantled is? These so called non bias Cloti who are bias have been shoving it up and saying it screams Cloti all over it. But I have my doubts and want to know if you know what it is.

let's just say that cloud went to the promise land with tifa to see aeris and imagine what happen then or watch the movie well I think aeris is there but it's not really her but a reincarnation of her I think she also dies..

Hmmm.....I see your point but that's not exactly how it was. But then, that's how you feel. O:]
There are flaws to that. Throughout the game, it was only Cloud that felt Aeris's presence and Sephiroth's. So until someone comes up with a good supporting point to counter that out, Tifa can't necessary go to the Promise Land because she wouldn't make it. She couldn't felt Aeris's presence nor Sephiroth's, so Tifa really has no chance to make it there.
It's funny how many would claim that Cloud offered Tifa to come but that's not necessary true. He never did offer nor asked Tifa to come with him to the Promise Land. Like I said, only Cloud can felt Aeris's presence, so there's no way for Tifa to be able to find it, let alone go with Cloud. But again, Cloud only talked in "about himself". He never confirmed nor answer Tifa that they should go together, so that possiblity is ruled out. As someone stated, he kept looking forward and never even acknowlege her once. So that was Tifa's idea as she came to an understanding to what Cloud was saying.
Funny you should ask me that, shinobiyuffie. FF7 dismanteld, huh. Its really just an Ultamania or how shall you said, fan guides. It may have the official logo on it but the only thing that gets credit is the interviews. Neither of the original staff work on writing those scenarios, so its just some author who's doing it, hired by Square, stamped by its logo and presume by fans to be official when its really not so. I saw that someone posted some quotes, claiming that its in favor of Cloti but in reality,is that person even sure ? It seems many of these so called quotes have been cut to a person's liking as there was more to that. Probably got it from a Pro-Cloti site called Loveless since I saw some similar quotes that was quoted here, claiming in favor and showing how it proves its Cloti but that person needs a reality check since its in neither Cloti nor Cloris favors. A neutral transalator also saw the same thing too while translating it, so its really just picking apart what proves the point and claiming it when the book is for neither sides. Really, don't come hashing at me if you never even collected Fan guides or Ultamanias from Japan. I have plenty and they all work in a similar way.

Yeah right. Sory to disagree with you there, AerisCloud, but you're wrong. All Cloriths claim it as "un-official". Trust me, it's not.

Well later ya'll! Can't convince Shinobi Yuffie cuz' her cranium is too thick.

Thanks for the info. aeriscloud.
Funny you should say that TMA, since you couldn't grasp the concept of what aeriscloud said. Really, you study Japanese and know a lot more than aeriscloud? Gimme a break as you don't. Or did you missed the part where aeriscloud says that both sides can nit pick the parts they want? Oh, how about the entry where Cloud mention a sentence or two about settling his past, to be his self and anything above else, to unfreeze her smile. And who's smile is that? Tifa. Please, its Aeris.
You have nothing to back it up besides some 'it's all cloti' when there are some dialogue missing from that monologue. She also mention that a neutral translator saw the same thing too, so its neither for Cloti nor Clorith. Wish whatever you want, as again, your so called evidence been shred in two, trying to prove something when it isn't. No, I'm not ignoring that book but as it is back up by neutral translators, your so called evidence is nothing to believe in. And please, aeriscloud did say to collect fan guides and ultamanias to see what its like, but knowing you, yeah, grasping straws outta mid air again, aren't you. She's more belivable than you.

Have you ever considered that Aeris may have of only been in love with the Zack that was in Cloud. After all Cloud did use Zack's past as his own in an attempt to cover his past.

It's been considered, by many, but it can't be proven. What evidence is there that she only fell in love with Cloud for Zack? Cloud didn't realize he had made up his past, of someone else's. He'd gone through a majority of his life, believing that he had done everything Zack did, because he was messed up from the Jenova Cells, number one, and number two, Tifa always talked about her childhood with him, which made him believe it even more.

Cloud just considered his (or zacks) past correct because of what Tifa said. So no, Tifa was not trying to convince him that he was something hes not. He assumed from what Tifa had told him that it was true.

And I support what aeriscloud said on Tifa not going to the promised land. When He pulls himself and tifa up he said 'i think i can meet her there' but he never mentioned anything with her, she just added herself in.

You know funny you should say that, Shinobi Yuffie. But you're wrong, once again. Here's another debate about that:


Actually, CIML on the subject of your Dismantled thread, Shiva's been very busy lately and doesn't even know it's there yet(I actually just informed her). But I'll respond to it here.
Whoever it is that has translated it is LYING.
Oh really? I�ll have you know that what that person translates is being cited by many people throughout the net. Rinoa is not lying. Where is your proof she is? Where are your �true� translations? Please do provide them. Rinoa and the ones working on the translations actually translated it directly from Japanese to English. She can give you the exact quote in Japanese translated into English. I�ve never seen anything of the sort posted by you or the neutral fan who�s not so neutral, Vilaeth. Provide us with your translations then and prove that Rinoa is lying. Right now, there is nothing more than baseless assumptions and accusations coming from your part.


Someone posted about it awhile ago posted these translations around. A neutral fan(meaning he prefers neither couple, he actually got very insulted when I mistook him for a Cleris fan) tried to inform them of their mistranslations, but unable to get any kind of a response he posted about it in a Cleris forum.

Well, when he was contacted about it on another forum, this is what he said about Dismantled:


The closest I did was saying that how much weight you think the monologues have depends on how official you think it is, since I didn't remember the credits for it. Since I found the credits and now know it was supervised by Square, I don't have any problem with it- valtiel (Vilaeth on that forum)
Seems like your official translator approves of Dismantled as well.

By which I only meant those parts I mentioned looked different than what I see in the book (but as I said before, it only looks like a summary and could just be how it's edited).- valtiel

In fact, this translator said he only skimmed through it and he could be wrong. :shifty:




Now, keep in mind that this fan is NEUTRAL and simply wanted the truth be known.
BTW, Dismantled isn't "as official as it gets" because all of those monolouges were written by Benny Matsuyama. Yes, it was approved by Square. But it's not as "official" as it gets.

ALL information that�s included in Dismantled is provided by the staff. All information is approved by the staff and if they did not agree they wouldn�t have put it there. And this person has done other such work for Square for other FFs. So unless you can provide us with some proof that Square considers that book unofficial, it is very much �as official as it gets�. Too bad if you don�t like it. -_-



If you yourself are capable of reading Japanese and you see someone has just completely mistranslated passages from the book, why not start translating it yourself?

That I would very much like to see. Accusing others without proof means squat.


Ok, so denzel's tiny frame blocked off a bit of Cloud's arm. Wheee... erm..why are we talking about his arm being obscured in the first place?

I should be asking that. I provided the picture as an addition to all the other info that Tifa was living with Cloud yet people picked at Cloud�s (barely visible) expression. :)



lmao, you're quite funny yourself. If you're not using it as evidence for cloud x tifa, why mentioned it in this 'love triangle debate'

You misunderstood, dear. Read above. That�s what I used it for.


Oh well, nevermind, if you say so. We all know Tifa and Cloud contacted each other in AC. Thanks for telling us the obvious

My exact words were �had been in contact and living together�-_-


But I have a feeling Cleris will emerge the winner if you go scene by scene.Don't shout at me now... it's my feeling.

Is that supposed to sound intimidating? Cause it�s not working so far. :rolleyes:


Nope, like you said, Cloud contacted Tifa is AC. Don't contradict your previous post
If you are going to quote me, do it properly. Don�t take half my sentence, it doesn�t make you look any better. ^_^

Just a quick point. If you talk to the elders in Cosmo, one of them says that the promised land is a place that only Anciens can go to, Cloud isn't an Ancient, so how could he meet Aeris there?

Exactly. Show me facts from the game. Then I'll believe it.

Exactly. Show me facts from the game. Then I'll believe it.

Ever heard of fate?

besides which facts from the game make you say for certain that he belongs with Tifa?

besides which facts from the game make you say for certain that he belongs with Tifa?

Good point. Alot of people assume that. He'll probably end up alone.

yeah i'd like that

you know TMA, everywhere i go where i see your posts, they're always rude and mean. if you want to go bothering more aeris fans then go make a website, i'll be sure to flame it. you're nothing but a lowly-graded, rude, mean, stupid, idiotic, imbecile.

hey Angelic Aeris i'm with you all the way =)

I Think If spheroth didn't kill aeris cloud would be with aeris but tifa is cool
And she fits in with the picture All i know is tifa & cloud are now a couple i think.....Of course i'm a dumbass



Hope if the first step on the road to dissapointment

you know TMA, everywhere i go where i see your posts, they're always rude and mean. if you want to go bothering more aeris fans then go make a website, i'll be sure to flame it. you're nothing but a lowly-graded, rude, mean, stupid, idiotic, imbecile.

Oh no my ego has been tarnished. :sad:

would you just do us a favor and go away?


hey Angelic Aeris i'm with you all the way =)

thank you! =) =)

you know TMA, everywhere i go where i see your posts, they're always rude and mean. if you want to go bothering more aeris fans then go make a website, i'll be sure to flame it. you're nothing but a lowly-graded, rude, mean, stupid, idiotic, imbecile.
Why don't you just quit being such a whinny bitch?

Why don't you just quit being such a whinny bitch?


why don't you stop being an idiot?

Why don't you stop being so gay. x_X

how do you know i'm gay?

guess you want another fight

funny how you only reply here. why not in your own thread? afraid it might get closed?

OMFG it's only a game! Why are you arguing over which two characters are most likely to hook up!!!???!!!

Aeris is dead so cloud will probaly end up with tifa Daysa vu

tifa didn't wnna hurt him and confuse him more he was already messed up
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"heroes of Tarnag we have benn betrayed by the imperium and every we hold dear to us is in danger for now is our time to fight" general cassowak


sorry replie to something said earler

how do you start a thread

OMFG it's only a game! Why are you arguing over which two characters are most likely to hook up!!!???!!!


no one was arguing, its debate. but some people have taken it way to serious. honestly..

Cloud and Tifa- Childhood friends, most probably childhood sweethearts and closest friends. Cloud left Neibleheim, and left tifa there. They met up through Avalanche in Midgar some time later, and they shared their sappy moments. Though if you play the game again, it seems as though they would have just probably actually been "best friends" and maybe something more, the kinda friends that would do anything for each other. I have an inckling that Cloud maybe did love tida. but that was a DID. not does.

Cloud and Aeris- They met in a street, then, in the church, after cloud is appointed as her new bodyguard... He protects her, through thick and thin. Aeris has a certain angelic like quality that accompanies her, something that Cloud couldnt see in Tifa, as tifa was more bouncy and fiesty. The barmaid from 7th Heaven. Aeris was the quiet flower girl, in the church. Cloud stayed with her right to the very end. Even though these two situations seem alike, somehow, theyre not. Theres a certain something with Aeris and Cloud, and I cant quite put my finger on it. Aeris opens up this whole new world to Cloud, who was as cold hearted as the next SOLDIER, even though Cloud was special himself. She made him feel what no body else has...Even though aeris is dead, it doesnt mean at all that he will immediatley shack up with Tifa, as you just cant move on so quickly, and surely he will never forget about her.

Maybe someday they will be re-united as the FF7 Couple..:) Who knows? :)

Maybe. Maybe.

So wait are you saying he didnt give a crap??

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I give men dreams and men are lead by dreams: lord solar machuris

why don't you stop being an idiot?
Okay.


I don't see any romance at all between Aeris and Cloud. All this proof you guys are providing doesn't mean anything. Aeris cared about Cloud, but that was most likely because her sacrificing herself would mean nothing if Cloud and Co. didn't follow through. She needed their help to stop Sephiroth and Meteor. There's no love shit between Aeris and Cloud in the game. Perhaps some attraction here and there but I don't see any profound soul mate evidence.

And, just like everyone says, Aeris knew her fate. Why would she, if she even did have a thing for Cloud, try to pursue it? She knew she was going to die. What's the point in falling in love when you know you're going to die?


Look, people. It's like this. The 'special'/'spiritual', (or whatever), bond that Cloud and Aeris had was because of seven years prior to the beginning of the game, Zack and Aeris dated for a short time and she obviously cared a lot about him. How do I know? Because of the reaction Aeris had to Cloud, or should I say Zack's memories, persona, and general appearance, in the form of Cloud. She showed compassion toward him, showing that she cared much for Zack. (This can't be proven, as it is not written down, but if you think about it, it ties into all of the other facts that show real evidence that Cloud and Tifa are the true couple.)

Cloud's reaction to Aeris was kinda awkward and nervous. This is where all of you people who think that Aeris and Cloud are the true couple, think you see true love, but it's not-it's all a delusion. At this point in the game, you're not supposed to assume that Cloud has taken on someone else's memories, but he has. Take a look at Cloud in the beginning of the game: He has a badass, "kill 'em all, and fuck the world" attitude, just like how an exSOLDIER should act, or so he thought. But then, along comes Aeris. Where's his composure now? Like I said before, you're not supposed to know yet, but Cloud isn't himself. That's why he's all nervous when he meets this girl who is giving him all kinds of crazy vibes due to his 'aquired' memories.

During the time Cloud and Aeris are together, he is still partially living with Zack's memories subconsciously inside him (the stories Zack told him about his life/career/relationship with Aeris, most likely, when they were on the run together from ShinRa). So, the part of him that was Zack drew him to Aeris,
and probably drew Aeris to him in some way.

Remember when they go to the Gold Saucer on the date, she makes some cryptic references to "meeting the real Cloud"? Yeah, well after she goes off and dies, Cloud rediscovers his true self. He remains fond of Aeris, but he also rediscovers his true, long time love of Tifa, now that he is able to have his OWN memories, not Zack's, who loved Aeris, not Cloud.

There's your proof. And it's all straigt from the storyline.
*pisses on god is dead's face*

lol!

Oh, and um, Cloud said he was going to have sex with Aerith's dead body. He said he was. It's love beyond death, right?

hey check it out everyone. the freaks made a team. one member that's into bestiality since he'd love to see Red screw Aeris and the other is a kid wh probably still has a curfew and thinks it's cool to imagine Cloud fu***** Tifa because she imagines it's her.

Aeris is dead so cloud will probaly end up with tifa Daysa vu

It's spelt d� ja vu

hey check it out everyone. the freaks made a team. one member that's into bestiality since he'd love to see Red screw Aeris and the other is a kid wh probably still has a curfew and thinks it's cool to imagine Cloud fu***** Tifa because she imagines it's her.

Tsk, tsk. What a bad imagination for such a young mind.

Coming from you?

Tsk, tsk. What a bad imagination for such a young mind.

imagination? who's imagining? this is all true...

wow TMA, you've really caused a riot, you deserve an "I'm a idiot" award. as for the others who think since aeris is dead so cloud HAS to go with tifa, you're wrong. he doesn't all of the sudden go with someone because the other one died. what kind of a person does that?

Ok thats it this is getting WAY tiring! its just turned into mindless blabbering. Cloud may not end up with either Tifa or Aerith so there is techinaclly no point debating it so only he ( OR SQUARE since it is A GAME) can decide.

now stop acting like children and grow up already ok?! thats for everyone who has been arguing! its tiring and now I cant even read the debates because its just flame, flame, flame, flame!

GAH! stop acting like idiots and debate like normal people. and keep all the beastiality and necrophilia away! we dont need to know your private business

imagination? who's imagining? this is all true...
Acutally, It's not true at all. I hate TMA.


...As for the others who think since aeris is dead so cloud HAS to go with tifa, you're wrong. he doesn't all of the sudden go with someone because the other one died. what kind of a person does that?
You're wrong. Because he did. Dumbass.


Ok thats it this is getting WAY tiring! its just turned into mindless blabbering. Cloud may not end up with either Tifa or Aerith so there is techinaclly no point debating it so only he ( OR SQUARE since it is A GAME) can decide.

now stop acting like children and grow up already ok?! thats for everyone who has been arguing! its tiring and now I cant even read the debates because its just flame, flame, flame, flame!

GAH! stop acting like idiots and debate like normal people. and keep all the beastiality and necrophilia away! we dont need to know your private business
No.

seriously, grow up.

impossible request i'm afraid. i think his tiny brain has grown all it could. into the mind of a 6 year old.

hopefully a mod would close this thread, and end this stupidity. it used to be interesting. it isnt anymore.

that's what tma wants...

well then she is right for once. honestly, all the damn flaming.

It's not like the people you aren't agreeing with are doing all the flaming, Solaris.

impossible request i'm afraid. i think his tiny brain has grown all it could. into the mind of a 6 year old.
And don't tell me what to do. 'Cause I wont listen.

but those who are, are invading the thread.

Well, what now?

Really. No one wants to debait. Only flame. I agree with solaris, I hope this thread gets closed.

http://aerisfails.ytmnd.com/

O:]

okie this thread seems a little dull^_^ well I'll put this to lighten up people

She led me into one of the many dark little rooms that were carved into the canyon. It was empty, and she pulled the thin curtain that served as a doorway shut once we were inside. My heart rate increased. We got only a few moments alone during the day; it was always exciting to finally have her to myself.

� Cloud,� she�d said in a gush, pulling me to her, kissing me in a implicative kind of way, � I feel like I�m floating.� Her eyes sparkled, and she snuck her hands under my shirt, running them over my chest like she was discovering it for the first time, � And you,� she said, pressing her body against mine, shutting her eyes, � Feel like heaven.�

� Aeri,� I�d said, trying to keep my head, � You haven�t shared the �peace pipe� with any of those elders, have you?� She laughed.

� No,� she said, rolling her eyes and leaning back against the canyon wall. � I just feel so alive here! I can speak with the planet, Cloud. You have no idea what that�s like,� she shut her eyes and ran her hand over the red rock of the canyon like she had my chest.

� You�re right,� I said, stepping forward and putting my hands on her waist, � I don�t.�

� Its like being thrown up into the sky with the stars,� she mused, capturing my lips for a moment, � It feels . . . infinite.�

I started to kiss her again, but she pulled away, her eyes fiery.

� Make love to me, Cloud,� she said, fumbling with my belt while keeping her eyes on mine. � I want you inside me,� she whispered, � I want you to know how this feels.�

I nearly finished just at hearing her say those things, but I managed to contain myself for a moment. Our first time together didn�t last long, but it was almost better that way. It was a perfect burst of something spectacular, something infinite. I wasn�t sure if I was feeling exactly what she felt that night, but it sure as hell felt good, either way.

� Aeri,� I�d moaned when we were done, zipping and buttoning before we found our way back to our room at the Inn. �Are you okay? Did it hurt?�

� Yes,� she�d admitted with a tiny smile, kissing my cheeks, � But, in a good way? Do you know what I mean?�

� I guess so,� I�d said, taking her in my arms, � I�m sorry.� She laughed.

� Don�t apologize!� she�d said, hooking her arm through mine. � You can make it up to me, though. Let�s get our own room,� she�d suggested, � I�ll help you pay if you don�t have enough gil.�

� I�ve got enough,� I�d said, even though I needed to save so I could buy weapons on the way out. But I�d do anything. � I�ll take care of you,� I promised as we made our way to the Inn.

� I know you will,� she�d hugged me, � My bodyguard!� She winked. We stayed up all night in our beloved private room, me alternating making love to her and cooing in her ear afterward, so afraid that I�d hurt her in even the smallest way. But Aeri was strong, and she knew what she wanted. She told me something that night that made me feel like a million gil, more important to me than any First Class rank I might have earned in SOLIDER.

She was lying on her back when she said it, looking up at me as I doted over her, reaching up to stroke my forehead, smooth my hair. She cocked her head and looked at me, studying my face, narrowing one eye and considering me seriously.

� You,� she said, � Make me feel close to the planet.� I was taken aback � the ultimate Aeris compliment.

� Why?� I had asked, grinning.

� Because I love you so much,� she�d answered honestly, � I think it�s the most significant, natural thing a human on this planet can do. Loving you makes me feel like . . . I�m on the right track.�

She led me into one of the many dark little rooms that were carved into the canyon. It was empty, and she pulled the thin curtain that served as a doorway shut once we were inside. My heart rate increased. We got only a few moments alone during the day; it was always exciting to finally have her to myself.

� Cloud,� she�d said in a gush, pulling me to her, kissing me in a implicative kind of way, � I feel like I�m floating.� Her eyes sparkled, and she snuck her hands under my shirt, running them over my chest like she was discovering it for the first time, � And you,� she said, pressing her body against mine, shutting her eyes, � Feel like heaven.�

� Aeri,� I�d said, trying to keep my head, � You haven�t shared the �peace pipe� with any of those elders, have you?� She laughed.

� No,� she said, rolling her eyes and leaning back against the canyon wall. � I just feel so alive here! I can speak with the planet, Cloud. You have no idea what that�s like,� she shut her eyes and ran her hand over the red rock of the canyon like she had my chest.

� You�re right,� I said, stepping forward and putting my hands on her waist, � I don�t.�

� Its like being thrown up into the sky with the stars,� she mused, capturing my lips for a moment, � It feels . . . infinite.�

I started to kiss her again, but she pulled away, her eyes fiery.

� Make love to me, Cloud,� she said, fumbling with my belt while keeping her eyes on mine. � I want you inside me,� she whispered, � I want you to know how this feels.�

I nearly finished just at hearing her say those things, but I managed to contain myself for a moment. Our first time together didn�t last long, but it was almost better that way. It was a perfect burst of something spectacular, something infinite. I wasn�t sure if I was feeling exactly what she felt that night, but it sure as hell felt good, either way.

� Aeri,� I�d moaned when we were done, zipping and buttoning before we found our way back to our room at the Inn. �Are you okay? Did it hurt?�

� Yes,� she�d admitted with a tiny smile, kissing my cheeks, � But, in a good way? Do you know what I mean?�

� I guess so,� I�d said, taking her in my arms, � I�m sorry.� She laughed.

� Don�t apologize!� she�d said, hooking her arm through mine. � You can make it up to me, though. Let�s get our own room,� she�d suggested, � I�ll help you pay if you don�t have enough gil.�

� I�ve got enough,� I�d said, even though I needed to save so I could buy weapons on the way out. But I�d do anything. � I�ll take care of you,� I promised as we made our way to the Inn.

� I know you will,� she�d hugged me, � My bodyguard!� She winked. We stayed up all night in our beloved private room, me alternating making love to her and cooing in her ear afterward, so afraid that I�d hurt her in even the smallest way. But Aeri was strong, and she knew what she wanted. She told me something that night that made me feel like a million gil, more important to me than any First Class rank I might have earned in SOLIDER.

She was lying on her back when she said it, looking up at me as I doted over her, reaching up to stroke my forehead, smooth my hair. She cocked her head and looked at me, studying my face, narrowing one eye and considering me seriously.

� You,� she said, � Make me feel close to the planet.� I was taken aback � the ultimate Aeris compliment.

� Why?� I had asked, grinning.

� Because I love you so much,� she�d answered honestly, � I think it�s the most significant, natural thing a human on this planet can do. Loving you makes me feel like . . . I�m on the right track.�
cool^_^ is that a poem?

here is something that brings back memories we all will remember....

She led me into one of the many dark little rooms that were carved into the canyon. It was empty, and she pulled the thin curtain that served as a doorway shut once we were inside. My heart rate increased. We got only a few moments alone during the day; it was always exciting to finally have her to myself.

� Cloud,� she�d said in a gush, pulling me to her, kissing me in a implicative kind of way, � I feel like I�m floating.� Her eyes sparkled, and she snuck her hands under my shirt, running them over my chest like she was discovering it for the first time, � And you,� she said, pressing her body against mine, shutting her eyes, � Feel like heaven.�

� Aeri,� I�d said, trying to keep my head, � You haven�t shared the �peace pipe� with any of those elders, have you?� She laughed.

� No,� she said, rolling her eyes and leaning back against the canyon wall. � I just feel so alive here! I can speak with the planet, Cloud. You have no idea what that�s like,� she shut her eyes and ran her hand over the red rock of the canyon like she had my chest.

� You�re right,� I said, stepping forward and putting my hands on her waist, � I don�t.�

� Its like being thrown up into the sky with the stars,� she mused, capturing my lips for a moment, � It feels . . . infinite.�

I started to kiss her again, but she pulled away, her eyes fiery.

� Make love to me, Cloud,� she said, fumbling with my belt while keeping her eyes on mine. � I want you inside me,� she whispered, � I want you to know how this feels.�

I nearly finished just at hearing her say those things, but I managed to contain myself for a moment. Our first time together didn�t last long, but it was almost better that way. It was a perfect burst of something spectacular, something infinite. I wasn�t sure if I was feeling exactly what she felt that night, but it sure as hell felt good, either way.

� Aeri,� I�d moaned when we were done, zipping and buttoning before we found our way back to our room at the Inn. �Are you okay? Did it hurt?�

� Yes,� she�d admitted with a tiny smile, kissing my cheeks, � But, in a good way? Do you know what I mean?�

� I guess so,� I�d said, taking her in my arms, � I�m sorry.� She laughed.

� Don�t apologize!� she�d said, hooking her arm through mine. � You can make it up to me, though. Let�s get our own room,� she�d suggested, � I�ll help you pay if you don�t have enough gil.�

� I�ve got enough,� I�d said, even though I needed to save so I could buy weapons on the way out. But I�d do anything. � I�ll take care of you,� I promised as we made our way to the Inn.

� I know you will,� she�d hugged me, � My bodyguard!� She winked. We stayed up all night in our beloved private room, me alternating making love to her and cooing in her ear afterward, so afraid that I�d hurt her in even the smallest way. But Aeri was strong, and she knew what she wanted. She told me something that night that made me feel like a million gil, more important to me than any First Class rank I might have earned in SOLIDER.

She was lying on her back when she said it, looking up at me as I doted over her, reaching up to stroke my forehead, smooth my hair. She cocked her head and looked at me, studying my face, narrowing one eye and considering me seriously.

� You,� she said, � Make me feel close to the planet.� I was taken aback � the ultimate Aeris compliment.

� Why?� I had asked, grinning.

� Because I love you so much,� she�d answered honestly, � I think it�s the most significant, natural thing a human on this planet can do. Loving you makes me feel like . . . I�m on the right track.�


That was pretty good!

hehe...ya gotta love Fanfiction.net for weird CloudxAeris fics...

cloud and Aeris make a great couple if you go on kingdom hearts they get together in the end

Yeah Fanfiction.net comes up with some bizzare stuff

yet here's another

Couldn't agree more 'bout Cait Sith's fortunetelling result......

1) Cloud+Aeris=Perfect couple :)
2) Cloud+Tifa=Lousy couple :(
3) Cloud+Barret=*Ahem* :o

Hmm Caits fortune telling ability was near useless

1. As far as i can tell he only made 1 accurate prediction. "What you persue will be yours but you will loose something dear" - this is obviously refering to Cloud finally settling his score with Sephiroth and Aeris's death

2. nearly every other prediction he makes is codswallop, Aeris and Cloud having a long relation ship, the junky predictions he makes when he first meets Cloud

Any way getting back on topic. AerisxCloud is just an opinion so is TifaXCloud, there is ample in-game evidence to support both claims ( I have already stated this, with valid points)

Please someone Close this thread..... the same arguments are being repeated over and over.. its going nowhere now

I agree with you Kemtach2999 the same arguments are being over and over and everyone has already stated and supported their argument. Theres nothing left now... really... because neither claim can be proven right.

This is a description of Aeris' death I read on a website pasted to an image:
THE TRUTH OF AERIS' DEATH

Question:Why did Aeris die?



The main director of the game lost his mother a few years prior to the making of the game.He was so saddened and angered that he wanted to share his pain with others. Not with his family, the whole gaming world. So he created FF7. In an interview he talked about the death of his mother, and wanted to make FF7 based on the theme of life and death. He created this in a way that people would come very colse to a sweet, loving girl named, "Aeris", and in the middle, we lose her. In the dramatic 2 minute sequence, we, the players, encounter the most dramatic and saddening cinema of all time, mixed with some of the saddest music in gaming history. In this scene Aeris prays to God and Sephiroth shoves a sword through her back. But in the end, she was there, she came back. Aeris was killed in cold blood by the director of the game, not Sephiroth.

So, as you can see, Cloud still has a reason to fight and still love her at the same time. There is nothing wrong with being a Cloti fan, I accept your thought, but this is the truth. Aeris belongs to Cloud.

here is something that brings back memories we all will remember....


stop it jiro you are going to make me cry. :sad:

Even though i'm Aerisfreak91, I still think The movie won't have Cloud and Aeris back 2gether again.

I HOPE THEY DO THOUGH!!!!!

SQUENIX DON'T YOU DARE MESS THIS MOVIE UP!!!! :mad:

psssssssst, BizzaroSephiroth you got that off aeris Shrine.

Well, anyway. They won't be together. Sorry, but it's the truth. Cloud and Tifa are alive. Aeris is dead. Do the math here people.

Well, anyway. They won't be together. Sorry, but it's the truth. Cloud and Tifa are alive. Aeris is dead. Do the math here people.
that's just cruel well at the end tifa and cloud did say they'll visit aeris in the promise land

How is it cruel when it's the truth?

wait a sec did aeris love zack as well?well zack is still alive also didn't tifa like him too^_^

Well, anyway. They won't be together. Sorry, but it's the truth. Cloud and Tifa are alive. Aeris is dead. Do the math here people.


are you so sure that Cloud and Tifa are going to end up together?

by the way you talk you seem pretty sure

are you so sure that Cloud and Tifa are going to end up together?

by the way you talk you seem pretty sure
people has there opinion but we'll find out when the movie comes out

are you so sure that Cloud and Tifa are going to end up together?

by the way you talk you seem pretty sure

Umm..yeah. I mean, not to sound like a know-it-all. But Aeris is DEAD. She wants Cloud to move on. And Tifa is alive. And she loves Cloud. And you can't say Cloud doesn't care about her at all.

i know she's dead and i know that Cloud cares for Tifa. but you don't know if he cares in the way you want him to. he can consider her just a friend. just because Aeris is dead doesn't mean he's going for the girl that survived.

and i'm not saying that he loved aeris either. at least not in that way.

the film will enlighten us all i hope.

Zack died, he gets shot by Shinra upon his and Clouds return to midagar ( theres a special fmv, when you return to Hojo's lab in nibelheim during disc 3) and I don't think Tifa really knew Zack.

You probably thought that because of her reaction in Gongaga. This is understandable, but I think she reacted like that because it threw doubt into Clouds earlier tale

Zack died, he gets shot by Shinra upon his and Clouds return to midagar ( theres a special fmv, when you return to Hojo's lab in nibelheim during disc 3) and I don't think Tifa really knew Zack.

You probably thought that because of her reaction in Gongaga. This is understandable, but I think she reacted like that because it threw doubt into Clouds earlier tale
once again a person that's wrong sheesh how many times do I have to say this zack is not dead want proof go to the slums and you'll meet him and later at the junkyard sheesh I hope that shows you guys you're all wrong!^_^

He is dead though, thats correct, he was shot by shinra soldiers, and Cloud took up his identity.

Couldnt have cloud seen aerith as a good friend also? just like tifa?

He is dead though, thats correct, he was shot by shinra soldiers, and Cloud took up his identity.

Couldnt have cloud seen aerith as a good friend also? just like tifa?
gosh sheesh look at the place I told about and you'll meet the guy sheesh he has mako poisoning

thats not zack though, thats just some old man. I mean if you go on later in the game hes not there anymore

thats not zack though, thats just some old man. I mean if you go on later in the game hes not there anymore
you really wanna know why cause he left for a journey he should be in the junkyard that's where I met him also he has the tatoo on his hand and he is not an old man

I get it but i don't
dude, this is out of hand
this is gonna escalate to world war 3 if you give it year,(i think the gov. has something to do with ac)

Note: the gov. thing is bullshit.

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P.S. TMA how many times are you gonna try to drill the truth to the people, if they don't get it now they never will.

"They see us as heretics yet we say the same about them, men we're all assholes here" assasination specialist Cormus before the assasination atemp of Inquistor Gerion (note: he was pissed)

First of all, if people do turn this into WW3, it would be the most immature war of all time. Come on, it would be like killing people over characters that aren't even real. It would be like someone yearning to turn their own personal opinions into facts. That would be very immature indeed. Before they do turn a Cloti and Clorith war into WW3, I would think damn hard if I were them, before using violonce over pixels.

Thank you


AND YES I'M AN NERD AND INSANE

YOU CAN NOW PUT ME IN AN INSITUTION
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No sayings today folks

Hmm...funny thing is, that's what we see in Cloud's memories, when he regains it. Zack was killed, trying to protect Cloud. So unless there's more evidence to back up that the man near the junkyard is Zack, its been proven, otherwise, by going back to Shinra's mansion in Nielbihelm, having Cloud go back to memory lane and seeing how Zack's life ended and how close they were to Midgar. That's also how their dreams ended abruptly.
There's really no point in boasting that AC is the truth who the couple will be or who Cloud will end up with if its just from trailers. Reading what Jinchuu said in the other thread, they all are speculations and assumptions as either side can tear the parts they want into their liking. Just how websites and magazines do it, speculating and creating assumptions from one little scene. Each scene is up to your own interpretations. What you see or how you feel about it can be interpreted in so many ways. If you think about it, that is true.
When it comes to Aeris loving Cloud only because of Zack or how Aeris never knew the 'real' Cloud, that's a really narrow minded interpretation. The vital parts were there in the game, I think its just a matter of preference, so you can choose to ignore the vital parts said and done if it doesn't go with your liking. Aeris did clearly stated that her relationship with Zack was in the past as they weren't serious. Although Cloud had that "Zack-ness" surrounding him, she didn't find interest in Cloud because of Zack. Aeris stated in the date scene that Cloud wasn't Zack. Aeris also knew quite a bit about Cloud because she asked Marlene about him, she talk to Cloud, asking him questions and trying to break down Cloud's cold exterior that he presented to the world. Cloud was never initially Zack, he had some of his memories confused with Zack. But why wouldn't he? It was Cloud's dream to be First Class Soldier, so of course, he would feel ashamed of not making into it. Cloud never did become Zack. If he did, Cloud would be a ladies man, like Aeris said and very outgoing. But Cloud never was. He was very introverted and cold and never acted like Zack. The only 'Zack' that Cloud took was the memory of being a First Class Soldier when he wasn't. So the 'real' Cloud was there the whole time, in front of Aeris and everyone, that whole time.

Hmm...funny thing is, that's what we see in Cloud's memories, when he regains it. Zack was killed, trying to protect Cloud. So unless there's more evidence to back up that the man near the junkyard is Zack, its been proven, otherwise, by going back to Shinra's mansion in Nielbihelm, having Cloud go back to memory lane and seeing how Zack's life ended and how close they were to Midgar. That's also how their dreams ended abruptly.
There's really no point in boasting that AC is the truth who the couple will be or who Cloud will end up with if its just from trailers. Reading what Jinchuu said in the other thread, they all are speculations and assumptions as either side can tear the parts they want into their liking. Just how websites and magazines do it, speculating and creating assumptions from one little scene. Each scene is up to your own interpretations. What you see or how you feel about it can be interpreted in so many ways. If you think about it, that is true.
When it comes to Aeris loving Cloud only because of Zack or how Aeris never knew the 'real' Cloud, that's a really narrow minded interpretation. The vital parts were there in the game, I think its just a matter of preference, so you can choose to ignore the vital parts said and done if it doesn't go with your liking. Aeris did clearly stated that her relationship with Zack was in the past as they weren't serious. Although Cloud had that "Zack-ness" surrounding him, she didn't find interest in Cloud because of Zack. Aeris stated in the date scene that Cloud wasn't Zack. Aeris also knew quite a bit about Cloud because she asked Marlene about him, she talk to Cloud, asking him questions and trying to break down Cloud's cold exterior that he presented to the world. Cloud was never initially Zack, he had some of his memories confused with Zack. But why wouldn't he? It was Cloud's dream to be First Class Soldier, so of course, he would feel ashamed of not making into it. Cloud never did become Zack. If he did, Cloud would be a ladies man, like Aeris said and very outgoing. But Cloud never was. He was very introverted and cold and never acted like Zack. The only 'Zack' that Cloud took was the memory of being a First Class Soldier when he wasn't. So the 'real' Cloud was there the whole time, in front of Aeris and everyone, that whole time.
Like I keep saying zack did not die he was found laying on the ground by some person forget who it was but he saved zack from dying also zack lost his memories and has mako poisoning like cloud did in the game a man that leaves at the place near the church that old barrel zack live there knowing he might find answers later he decides to leave and search for answer the guy near the junkyard is zack also when you first talk to him when you and aeris were together aeris saw a tatoo saying no.1 just like sepiroth a mark for a first class soldier it is believe in the japan version you actually do get him well it's a rumor but that man was zack for certain remember when aeris said he needs medicine or something cause he's sick and later he's gone when you come back

Ugh. ><

Well, I made a little tip on how to revive Aeris. It's true. I'm actually serious about this, so don't mock me.

Cloud Revives Aeris
This is the truth! This CAN happen, and it�s quite simple. But you MUST be on disk 3. Go to the Wall Market and purchase the vitamin drink thing from the hotel. Drink 25 bottles of it. Then decide to go visit Aeris� watery grave in the City of the Ancients. Once there, Cloud will stare into the lake. You MUST sit your game over the day and it has to have waited there for 24 hours. Once your game clock is 24 hours after you arrived at the lake, Cloud will scream, �I HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM!� He will look around and he doesn�t know where to go. In desperate need to relieve himself, he pees in the lake. A strange yellow glow will emit from the lake and Aeris� body will slowly rise to the top. She jumps out into Cloud�s arms, who hurriedly zips up his pants, and she tells him, �Cloud! My darling, you have brought me back. I had the choice of staying dead, or, coming back to this world spelling faintly of piss. I choose life, Cloud. And you helped bring that to me!� They embrace.

Ugh. ><

Well, I made a little tip on how to revive Aeris. It's true. I'm actually serious about this, so don't mock me.

Cloud Revives Aeris
This is the truth! This CAN happen, and it�s quite simple. But you MUST be on disk 3. Go to the Wall Market and purchase the vitamin drink thing from the hotel. Drink 25 bottles of it. Then decide to go visit Aeris� watery grave in the City of the Ancients. Once there, Cloud will stare into the lake. You MUST sit your game over the day and it has to have waited there for 24 hours. Once your game clock is 24 hours after you arrived at the lake, Cloud will scream, �I HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM!� He will look around and he doesn�t know where to go. In desperate need to relieve himself, he pees in the lake. A strange yellow glow will emit from the lake and Aeris� body will slowly rise to the top. She jumps out into Cloud�s arms, who hurriedly zips up his pants, and she tells him, �Cloud! My darling, you have brought me back. I had the choice of staying dead, or, coming back to this world spelling faintly of piss. I choose life, Cloud. And you helped bring that to me!� They embrace.
yes you're right there was also a rumor in the japan version about that just like caitsith

But um..this is true. DUH.

I cant believe how long this topic has gone on for.
It seems we will never reach a conclusion...?

They have. That's why I think Cloud and Tifa are cuter because they've been more through together. And that's also why I like Zack and Aerith.
Really. Tifa and Cloud go through more 2gether. Whatever. Tifa had a normal life. It was Cloud and Aeris who went through hell. Cloud was the one who was being bullied all the time when he was a kid. Not only that his mom died and his dream was crushed. Aeris parents both died and she was also chased by shrina. Yeah yeah. So Tifa mom died. So what? she was still the most popular girl in her town and she had tons of friends. She didn't even feel one bit lonely. She wasn't even the one who was being chase.


your talking like tifa is evil...
It's more likely she's selfish.

Yes, and now its posting nonsense, like Aerith's revival rumors. Fact is, it won't work unless you have a gameshark. That's the only way to revived her with glitches. Anything else, are just rumors and nonsense.
Listen to aeriscloud,
Jiro,
Either find more evidence to back that up or you just got contradicted by the memory lane scene that Cloud did. You did get that far,right? Go back to the mansion in disk 2 or 3, and you'll see that what aeriscloud says is right. Just like many other who says that its not Zack. But you say it yourself, its just a rumor. So what is the point of keeping it up and telling other people that they're wrong if you said it yourself,"well it's a rumor".
aeriscloud,
Great analysis. And thank you for the comment. Its good to find that you agree with that. Its merely just speculations and assumptions right now, so the boasting that "its evidence" and name calling just show how lame it can get. What some don't realize that it can be tear apart and interpreted in so many ways, but its really up to that person only. So, there is no right or wrong answer. If they can figure out that magazines do that, they really are no better than the mags.

Really. Tifa and Cloud go through more 2gether. Whatever. Tifa had a normal life. It was Cloud and Aeris who went through hell. Cloud was the one who was being bullied all the time when he was a kid. Not only that his mom died and his dream was crushed. Aeris parents both died and she was also chased by shrina. Yeah yeah. So Tifa mom died. So what? she was still the most popular girl in her town and she had tons of friends. She didn't even feel one bit lonely. She wasn't even the one who was being chase.


It's more likely she's selfish.


Tifa did feel lonley. It is possible to feel alone in a huge crowd. She longed for love and a different type of attention. Dont you believe she had just as many problems? with sephiroth? her mother? everything?

I agree that these two should be together. But I honestly don't think they are the TRUE couple of Final Fantasy 7. I do believe that Tifa and Cloud have loved each other for a long time just scared to confess.