I did this sort of thing when The Dark Knight Rises came out, and since people still seem to be jizzing all over this score, I thought it was time to make a mega-thread for this score. People, this is appalling. I know it is now at the point that members continue to post the score only for shits and giggles, but this is ridiculous. Perhaps this thread can also be used for those of us who wish to express frustrations, complaints, and otherwise bitchy comments about this score and its release. Oddly enough, no iteration was posted on June 10. Wonder why that would be.

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This is a real MAN OF STEELmania........looooooooooool....thanks for this thread :)

"Next human to post a MoS thread gets kicked through a building."

indeed ribonucleic.......its getting too much with Man of Steel......I think the janitor of this forum should sweep and clean up the forum and restricting it to only one thread relating this theme.......

Holy cow of cows. That's a lot of steel.

WOW. More than I thought.

I haven't posted my 128kbps rip yet that will be forthcoming.

MAN OF STEELmania........yeah..........looooooool

Too much time on your hands....

I haven't posted my 128kbps rip yet that will be forthcoming.

I forgot I had a 64kbps version that I've been meaning to upload. Sounds soooooooo much better than any rip out there. ;)

That 64kbps will sound real good on my Playskool MP3 player with mono speaker.

Ohhhwww.....and I forgot to mention one of the best versions of this....the 8 kbps version interpreted by Bob and his garage bagpipe gang.......and its even more completier than other editions as here also are every fart, sneezing and coughing of good ole Bob and his mad fellows including exploding bagpipes etc.........will be uploaded soon.........xD

That's a lot of steel... You should call this thread "The Cutlery Set"

"Next human to post a MoS thread gets kicked through a building."

Hmmmmmmmm, if it means meeting her and it's her I may just do and a 8bit version of the soundtrack ala-NES ;)

I have got to post my version of man of steel :)

I guess the DTS Neo: X 11.1 Headphone mix is next.

I guess the DTS Neo: X 11.1 Headphone mix is next.

There's also film order versions (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/man-steel-deluxe-edition-hans-zimmer-2013-a-135412/4.html#post2375160) in store.

Well because this score is so 'hot' in scoreland almost all scores in the next 3 years will sound like this one.

That is until a new hyped Zimmer score comes out :)

Hmmmmmmmm, if it means meeting her and it's her I may just do and a 8bit version of the soundtrack ala-NES ;)



Well, you would have to get her OUT of that armor first, before you did anything else, because wearing that armor, she looks really THORNY! Hehehehehee :)

William

And I have trouble to decide if the worst soundtrack ever is inception or man of steel, i'm confused... All day to see the same ** men of steel...

Well, you would have to get her OUT of that armor first, before you did anything else, because wearing that armor, she looks really THORNY! Hehehehehee :)

William

She certainly does look thorny William ;)

If you think it is bad now, just think what will happen if the sessions ever leak?

Jesus Christ, this is un-fucking believable

What kind of man of steel is this when he has not the courage to wear his red underpants on the outside.

WTF, another Superman?

If you think it is bad now, just think what will happen if the sessions ever leak?

"This is my personal take on the score, designed to achieve a certain flow..."

If you think it is bad now, just think what will happen if the sessions ever leak?

I am actually quite surprised that more people haven't opened individual threads for the Inception sessions. I don't expect it'd be much more different from that.

So many links to such an awful score... Go figure...

I am still giving TDK 5/5 for the best deluxe release i have EVER listened in my life....

This score honestly does not deserve multiple threads or even a mega thread, was there even a real orchestra used with this score? I don't see people freaking about many other scores, that were by far, WAY better than this. It was one thing when elfman's theme wasn't used in the batman series, but this is superman. It has one defining theme, zimmer made his score close enough where william's theme could've merged and worked very nicely. Even Giacchino used the original star trek theme in parts of his score. I may like zimmer, but I'm not impressed here. Shame, Iron man 3 (film wise, the score was awesome) was terrible, Die Hard 5 was god awful (but again good score) and now man of steel, who's even the guy that plays clark kent? At least we knew who Bale was from batman. Just watch, I'm waiting to find out this film is actually very good and it seems that as of late either a movie is awesome, but the music sucks, or the movie sucks, and the music is awesome. I just saw Cloud Atlas recently, and was blown away, both the film was excellent and the music fit PERFECTLY, and also used a REAL ORCHESTRA.

If this is the direction where modern day film music is headed, I want nothing to do with it. :/

Thanks and appreciation to uploaders, it's not you I'm ranting about, it's the score.

Things use to be so good a few years ago, now it's just a rarity.

End of rant. Not looking to start any fights, I don't intend to change my mind, and if you love this score, I don't intend to change your mind either. I'm merely voicing my opinion, something I've rarely done here lately. To each their own, as they say.

amen.
why does zimmer's stuff have to sound so fake?
good call on cloud atlas, too.
stunning film and my pick for best score of 2012... recorded perfectly.
zimmer's scores ALL sound like samples- digitized instruments with no human at the bow...
painful.
such beautiful themes and lush atmospheres, but no authenticity...
oh well, still love this stuff...
will grab the 'sessions' as soon as they leak.

elmanisgod.

There could be a million fuckin Man Of Steel threads but it still doesn�t alter the fact that Zimmer is a fuckin hack and his music or noise is a fuckin abomination of the highest order...... The amount of threads for this shit is worrying .... when you consider the amount of fantastic music by great composers don�t get this much attention..... Fuck me I�m stunned......

and now man of steel, who's even the guy that plays clark kent?

Why does the film needs a known actor for the role, where Reeves and the other actors who played Superman we're totally unknowns before getting the role? Also, music is supposed to be a part of the film, not trying to be better than the film.

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There could be a million fuckin Man Of Steel threads but it still doesn�t alter the fact that Zimmer is a fuckin hack and his music or noise is a fuckin abomination of the highest order...... The amount of threads for this shit is worrying .... when you consider the amount of fantastic music by great composers don�t get this much attention..... Fuck me I�m stunned......

It would be better to pay more attention to the music of these composers, instead of paying attention to bash one.

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amen.
why does zimmer's stuff have to sound so fake?
good call on cloud atlas, too.
stunning film and my pick for best score of 2012... recorded perfectly.
zimmer's scores ALL sound like samples- digitized instruments with no human at the bow...
painful.
such beautiful themes and lush atmospheres, but no authenticity...
oh well, still love this stuff...
will grab the 'sessions' as soon as they leak.

elmanisgod.

It's true. Not only for Zimmer. The mixing of scores are terrible in these days. Check JNH's last scores, the sessions have a better sound and balance of the instruments than the music released on CD.

Why does the film needs a known actor for the role, where Reeves and the other actors who played Superman we're totally unknowns before getting the role? Also, music is supposed to be a part of the film, not trying to be better than the film.

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Point taken

It would be better to pay more attention to the music of these composers, instead of paying attention to bash one.

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It's true. Not only for Zimmer. The mixing of scores are terrible in these days. Check JNH's last scores, the sessions have a better sound and balance of the instruments than the music released on CD.




Point taken

Mega threads like this and Transformers and other major blockbusters should get stickied for a month.

Shame, Iron man 3 (film wise, the score was awesome) was terrible

Tyler is a genius! I was so dissapointed when I heard he wouldn't have the time to score F&F 6.

But I don't understand all the hate against Zimmer. I've been listening to "If you love this people" on repeat for the past 30 minutes. I just like the drums in it :D And I can imagine, in my head, without even seeing the movie yet, Superman flying around and kicking ass :D

Everyone wants a real orchestra with real people playing and real themes shitting all over the speakers.
It's not like that genre is dead.

This archetypical subgrenre of score Zimmer does isn't for everyone.
It's for me.

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Although, to be honest, Mr Fate.
You should have just named it "Man of Steel [MEGATHREAD]".

English isn't everyone's language. I imagine there's going to be quite a few people who will just skim past those words and not really care to put two-and-two together.
I just skimmed past it and didn't want to waste any effort on the play on words.
I need more coffee. Look what you made me do.

But I don't understand all the hate against Zimmer. I've been listening to "If you love this people" on repeat for the past 30 minutes. I just like the drums in it :D And I can imagine, in my head, without even seeing the movie yet, Superman flying around and kicking ass :D

Unless youre not reading anything posted in this and all former thread dedicated solely for this (drum rolls please) ..Doomsday err Man of Steel score than you'll know why. Oil rig btw with the overamplified drums in it fits a martial arts/mortal combat fight scenes rather than the scenes that should have evoked intensity, tense and heroic moods rather than the flat drumbeats. Yes the film is kickass! But the film score sounds dumbass for a major comicbook icon comeback.

What?!? The dyslexia version isn't listed?

Despite all these threads, I don't believe there has been one yet "properly" ripped in FLAC with .LOG & .CUE files in the package.

So I guess there is still room for another post, which I would love to have actually...

I was thinking about all these versions and if any were in fact ripped with AccurateRip using EAC.


I was just thinking of this score when I was doing the dishes. It occurred to me while washing my stainless STEEL bowl.
There's a very blatant "steel" theme for this movie.
I hadn't seen the movie so I can only go so far with it.

The movie is titled "Man of Steel" not "Faster than Speeding Bullet" or "Superman". But deliberately incorporated the word "steel".
The posters and pictures revolving around our beloved caped superhero has a very distinct "metallic" design.
The costumes of the Kryptonian homeworld are largely "metallic" in design.
Hell, the trailer shows that a lot of the shots seem to have some sort of "metallic" saturation included as a color overtone to the film. The blues, greys and pretty much even the golden lights all share this same "metallic" saturation.
Now, even, the score has a nice "metallic" or "steely" vibe to throughout the whole score.
Is this not, maybe, a coincidence?

Was there a heartfelt exchange of dialogue at the end of the movie about the villain saying "You're the Man of Steel -- Your heart should be, too." "NAY, VILLAIN! IT'S HEART OF GOLD!" "Then let me rip it out and show it to you! :mad:"

See where I'm going with this?

Well because this score is so 'hot' in scoreland almost all scores in the next 3 years will sound like this one.

That is until a new hyped Zimmer score comes out :)

Sadly, that's already the case. EVERY major Hollywood action film, with a few exceptions, from the last few years has been Zimmer-esgue unlistenable noise. I used to find at least a dozen new orchestral scores a year that I loved, now that number is down to 2 or 3 a year, as the rest of the scores are electronic "must sound like Zimmer" crap.

I like the music. ;-)

EVERY major Hollywood action film, with a few exceptions, from the last few years has been Zimmer-esgue unlistenable noise

Captain America, Thor, The Avengers, Iron Man 2/3, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Rise of the Guardians, Brave, The A-Team, Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol, The Hobbit, The Adventures of Tintin, The Amazing Spiderman?

That's a pretty big exception list for being a few.

People should realise that there was other people besides Zimmer who use electronics in their scores. After all, people didn't used to call Goldsmith the "king of synths"? Didn't Herrmann and Jarre used electronic instruments like the theremin before the 70's? I do think that people on this days wants everything to sound like Zimmer or Williams. And Desplat, Powell, Giacchino, JNH, and a few others are the exception.

This score honestly does not deserve multiple threads or even a mega thread, was there even a real orchestra used with this score? [...] It was one thing when elfman's theme wasn't used in the batman series, but this is superman. It has one defining theme, zimmer made his score close enough where william's theme could've merged and worked very nicely. Even Giacchino used the original star trek theme in parts of his score.

I don't believe a full traditional orchestra was used on any of the cues; Zimmer is quoted somewhere as wanting to entirely avoid a Williamesque approach due to his own inferiority. I could be wrong about that, but I don't hear it. The sound of Zimmer's score seems to be rooted in ambient rock, almost post-rock.

I also completely disagree that Williams's theme would have fit with Snyder's film or Zimmer's score. It's too bold and mythic; Man of Steel was all about Clark Kent/Kal-El finding himself and his place in the world, a much more subdued approach. Not better, just different. And the Star Trek situation is different because, even though the Abrams films are also a reboot, they're recalling the original '60s show and somewhat reveling in nostalgia; in a way, the Abrams films are almost parodying Star Trek in that tonally they're very tongue-in-cheek. Snyder/Nolan/Goyer were going for a complete break with any previous iteration of Superman, and reusing Williams's theme obviously would be in violation of that choice. I do agree that Williams's music is a better fit for the general concept of Superman, but Zimmer's music is far more appropriate for this film.

Having seen the film today, I really enjoyed it; fave movie of the summer so far. I even teared up at a couple moments. The action did go a bit overboard at the end and the scale of devastation strangely glossed over, but overall I thought it was pretty solid and much superior to Superman Returns.

(I'll also add that Cloud Atlas was my favorite film and score from last year. A metastory woven out of six different genres, just the type of film I dream of writing, and the music was gorgeous. Shamefully underrated, but hopefully it's reputation will grow as the years pass.)

People should realise that there was other people besides Zimmer who use electronics in their scores. After all, people didn't used to call Goldsmith the "king of synths"? Didn't Herrmann and Jarre used electronic instruments like the theremin before the 70's? I do think that people on this days wants everything to sound like Zimmer or Williams. And Desplat, Powell, Giacchino, JNH, and a few others are the exception.


Yeah but I agree......but those other composers used synths tastefully and not beat you over the head with them.... Those synths were used to enhance the orchestra and music not hide the composers obviously lack of talent

..but those other composers used synths tastefully and not beat you over the head with them.... Those synths were used to enhance the orchestra and music not hide the composers obviously lack of talent

Bingo! Sad and harsh but speaks truth...truth hurts doesn't it.

A truth based on subjective opinions is not worth much at all

but hey that works both ways

so when I say I like this score, you can say thats not worth much either

This is an honest and detailed review of Zimmer's mess:


Man of Steel soundtrack review | Hans Zimmer | movie-wave.net (http://www.movie-wave.net/?p=3683)

A truth based on subjective opinions is not worth much at all

but hey that works both ways

so when I say I like this score, you can say thats not worth much either

Perhaps. But that's the beauty of having an opinion for it merits to question one's belief over the other. And that's what MATTERS!!

well sure, question all you want. Its not gonna change the actual opinion most of the time

well sure, question all you want. Its not gonna change the actual opinion most of the time
And that is not even my foremost reason. The point is we say what we think or believe that alone is my point. Neither do I care if it changes others point of view or not.

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well sure, question all you want. Its not gonna change the actual opinion most of the time
And that is not even my foremost reason. The point is we say what we think or believe that alone is my point. Neither do I care if it changes others point of view or not.

I was thinking about all these versions and if any were in fact ripped with AccurateRip using EAC.


I was just thinking of this score when I was doing the dishes. It occurred to me while washing my stainless STEEL bowl.
There's a very blatant "steel" theme for this movie.
I hadn't seen the movie so I can only go so far with it.

The movie is titled "Man of Steel" not "Faster than Speeding Bullet" or "Superman". But deliberately incorporated the word "steel".
The posters and pictures revolving around our beloved caped superhero has a very distinct "metallic" design.
The costumes of the Kryptonian homeworld are largely "metallic" in design.
Hell, the trailer shows that a lot of the shots seem to have some sort of "metallic" saturation included as a color overtone to the film. The blues, greys and pretty much even the golden lights all share this same "metallic" saturation.
Now, even, the score has a nice "metallic" or "steely" vibe to throughout the whole score.
Is this not, maybe, a coincidence?

Was there a heartfelt exchange of dialogue at the end of the movie about the villain saying "You're the Man of Steel -- Your heart should be, too." "NAY, VILLAIN! IT'S HEART OF GOLD!" "Then let me rip it out and show it to you! :mad:"

See where I'm going with this?

finally, a sensible and to the point comment. good to see not everyone's foaming at the mouth against Zimmer. Who managed a magnificent score once again.

I have written this many times before: the conductor Leonard Slatkin once wrote the most interesting music for orchestra was coming from Hollywood, and that Jerry Goldsmith was the first composer to experiment with syths.

Goldsmith used electronics sparingly for the most part. It didn't always work. It was Vangelis who took it all to town with Chariots of Fire and Blade Runner. Opening the doors for others to experiment even further. I think it is exciting that new things are being tried. Kaczmarek's gorgeous scores that are anchored by piano turned into something all together different for LOST SOULS when he used electronics and ambient plugs yet resulted fascinating. David Torn's very unconventional score for THE OTHER is bizarre and mesmerizing.

I tend to parse out music. First it washes over and then I take it apart, marveling at the orchestration. I'm still working on Man of Steel but with each listen I am discovering more and more. This is a heavily layered score. It may just take time to sink in. My neighborhood has been intrigued since I play it full volume.

As for Cloud Atlas: When released on DVD last month it was the top seller. This film is the finest cinematic event of 2012. The critics killed it. The same happened in 1982 with Blade Runner. The day will come when Cloud Atlas is fully appreciated- a film that improves and surprises with repeated viewing. And its score just a masterpiece of music, hands down.

Now remember this one very important fact: Phiddy is always right. ;-)


(James Newton Howard used synths in The Advocate, King Kong, Peter Pan, Atlantis, Snow Falling On Cedars)

Now remember this one very important fact: Phiddy is always right. ;-)

:D
i love that....

A thread for only the original soundtrack Hali! the POTC thread is better?

This is an honest and detailed review of Zimmer's mess:

Man of Steel soundtrack review | Hans Zimmer | movie-wave.net (http://www.movie-wave.net/?p=3683)

Makes perfect sense. Thanks for sharing the link.

I don't really have a dog in the Zimmer fight. While his historical influence has been baleful, I don't take it so personally that I can't listen to MoS on its own merits. And it does have some. The one-star reviews from MovieWave and FilmTracks strike me as pique. As an accompaniment for the Zach Snyder movie it was commissioned to accompany, it gets the job done. It even, occasionally, squints towards something more. 3 stars out of 5.

(wimpel69 acolytes & opinions & references are all best when used to clean the toilet bowl)

Man of Steel is a new film. A new take on the tired old theme. Not a remake of the Christopher Reeve film. If it had been an attempt at the later the grumpiness would be even more so. So the new film gets a new kind of score. That about sums it all up.

Now I am looking forward to the new Maggie Smith film 'Quartet' coming out on DVD this Tuesday. (Pssst! She uses a very naughty word for the first time ever in a film... think that will stir up a debate?) ;-)

I was about to start one of these threads for every reason mentioned.
Thank-you Fate.

As for Cloud Atlas: When released on DVD last month it was the top seller. This film is the finest cinematic event of 2012. The critics killed it. The same happened in 1982 with Blade Runner. The day will come when Cloud Atlas is fully appreciated- a film that improves and surprises with repeated viewing. And its score just a masterpiece of music, hands down.\

Hmmm. I'm one of those folks who found it insipid and outright laughable and, unlike Blade Runner, would never consider sitting for another viewing. And "masterpiece" gets tossed around here like confetti to be rendered meaningless so, no, I don't think the soundtrack is the umpteenth iteration of the Second Coming either.

Different strokes and all that….

Insipid? Really. Your bar is set enormously high when something as unique as Cloud Atlas doesn't cut it for you... but... that is okay, as you say different strokes... I found the first Matrix film an abomination, a disgusting ballet of violence. Because of that opinion people danced around tossing ferrets at me. I mean, I LIKE ferrets but not as projectiles (and I doubt they are too thrilled about such a role their furry little selves!).

Insipid? Really. Your bar is set enormously high when something as unique as Cloud Atlas doesn't cut it for you... but... that is okay, as you say different strokes... I found the first Matrix film an abomination, a disgusting ballet of violence. Because of that opinion people danced around tossing ferrets at me. I mean, I LIKE ferrets but not as projectiles (and I doubt they are too thrilled about such a role their furry little selves!).

Gun fetishism is as American as Mom's apple pie, didn't ya know? So it should come as no surprise that the celebration of gun violence and the men who dish it out have always been a cornerstone of the Hollywood production mill; and, yes, I would agree, The Matrix goes to great lengths to make killing people look aesthetically pleasing, if not down right sexy.

Back to Cloud Atlas: I'd just maybe, maybe have been willing to hold my nose from the stink of the two-bit, Deepak Chopra level meta-spirituality dross the story is built upon if the execution were not so clumsy and the casting choices not so embarrassing (OK. I'll admit it. I've never liked a Tom Hanks performance, except for perhaps his hapless suburbanite role in The 'Burbs).

Why not deleting all Man of Steel-threads? They are only boring and too many......damm guys stop with this mess......why the heck are all so mad about this score...? The music is only synthesizer crap and has no orchestral feeling.......its completley crap so as the movie is.......oh yes.....that movie can be burnt as its only a worthless mess to go in........as many movies in the last years.......sorry this is fact.........may Hans Zimmer be a good composer but he only repeats and reuses similar styles many times......so please delete every thread related to this theme......thanks

No Fun Allowed

Why not deleting all Man of Steel-threads? They are only boring and too many......damm guys stop with this mess......why the heck are all so mad about this score...? The music is only synthesizer crap and has no orchestral feeling.......its completley crap so as the movie is.......oh yes.....that movie can be burnt as its only a worthless mess to go in........as many movies in the last years.......sorry this is fact.........may Hans Zimmer be a good composer but he only repeats and reuses similar styles many times......so please delete every thread related to this theme......thanks

But then Mr. G what would we have to talk about?

BUNNIES!!!!!!!! ;-)

Too many old farts complaining here. Don't like it, don't visit the thread and that's it. For better or worst, we have a new Superman, with a new theme, a new director, and a new actor. Deal with it. 99% of the people are whining because of Williams, like they did with Harry Potter, Jurassic Park 3, Superman Returns, and the next Star Wars trilogy (if Williams decides not to do it).

Too many old farts complaining here.

How old is "old"? Past puberty?

I remember the time when you enjoyed something and enjoy it, or if you didn't like it, you'd move on without debating too much.

Ahhh, good times.

Too many old farts complaining here. Don't like it, don't visit the thread and that's it.

To be fair, this entire thread is a complaint.

Too many old farts complaining here. Don't like it, don't visit the thread and that's it. For better or worst, we have a new Superman, with a new theme, a new director, and a new actor. Deal with it. 99% of the people are whining because of Williams, like they did with Harry Potter, Jurassic Park 3, Superman Returns, and the next Star Wars trilogy (if Williams decides not to do it).

I completely agree with you.

To be fair, this entire thread is a complaint.

NO! YOU LIE!!!!!

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I know one thing, based on what has been said about this score, I could do a better job. Actually, I know I can!

I know one thing, based on what has been said about this score, I could do a better job. Actually, I know I can!
Oh, very original. I think the score's pretty great, but I look forward to your version!

Oh, very original. I think the score's pretty great, but I look forward to your version!

LOL. Nah, I appreciate any film score. Even if it is bad.

Oh poopy-darn! I was hoping to live long enough to be an old fart and say, "Before he was an over-night successful film score composer, I knew Brandon O'Brian when he was just an apoplectic hamster on an Internet forum."

Drat. ;-)

I actually am working on being a composer soon.

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Please don't spoil the movie. I haven't seen it.
Use spoiler tags.

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I know one thing, based on what has been said about this score, I could do a better job. Actually, I know I can!

Although that seems like a purely subjective, and awkwardly, indefinite statement, I wouldn't mind hearing samples.

How old is "old"? Past puberty?

Hard to say, hard to tell but admittedly as my signature says I am an old fart. :p

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I actually am working on being a composer soon.

Glad to read that. Music is the greatest art of all. So stop hangin' 'round us old farts complainin' and start composin'!!!!

And if you want something Zimmerish controversial, visit my thread that offers another different approach on a soundtrack. Don't thank me. Just send chocolates.

Thread 135767

To be fair, this entire thread is a complaint.

Tazer coming from you I find that hilarious...6 plus years of membership and 20 posts and you are registering a complaint?

Unfortunately, I can't offer any samples of my music, but a few users on these forums have heard my music.

indeed Wildwood.....you're absolutley right.....I was talking about some of the Men of Steel threads as they are repetitive........I took a listen to the score and its the same Hans Zimmer stuff as usual.......nice but nothing extraordinary ........and he has proved that he can do better....xD....and Brandon....you're doing good work :)

indeed Wildwood.....you're absolutley right.....I was talking about some of the Men of Steel threads as they are repetitive........I took a listen to the score and its the same Hans Zimmer stuff as usual.......nice but nothing extraordinary ........and he has proved that he can do better....xD....and Brandon....you're doing good work :)

Thank you! :)

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mr.garibaldi is one of the few who has heard my music.

I say thank you. It is good to know that you're not alone in the universe.

Best review: Leitmotiv? (http://www.movie-wave.net/?p=3683)

I say thank you. It is good to know that you're not alone in the universe.

Best review: Leitmotiv? (http://www.movie-wave.net/?p=3683)

I agree with every word....an abomination of a score....

Tazer coming from you I find that hilarious...6 plus years of membership and 20 posts and you are registering a complaint?

Merely wryly commenting on the irony of complaining about complaining on a thread the very subject of which is a complaint, so I'm very glad you were able to find humor in it.

I didn't complain. I'm a lovely person. And this is FAR from an abomination of a score. Remember the ROCK score for the beautiful Medieval film Lady Hawk? Even film critics cited that as a whopping mistake. Jerry Goldsmith was to score it, but he was too busy working on LEGEND. Oh the irony. ;-)

I didn't complain. I'm a lovely person. And this is FAR from an abomination of a score. Remember the ROCK score for the beautiful Medieval film Lady Hawk? Even film critics cited that as a whopping mistake. Jerry Goldsmith was to score it, but he was too busy working on LEGEND. Oh the irony. ;-)


Indeed....Andrew Powells score for Ladyhawke on its own is not bad.....but together with the movie it ruins it completley......Ladyhawke is really an excellent beautiful fotographed movie but its film score ruins it completley......a very bad experiment of the movies producers......a classical more orchestral score � la Jerry Goldsmith or John Williams would have done better......

I believe the critics of the time said the score 'sabotaged' the film. It was a shame. A lovely film and suddenly your teeth began to grind uncontrollably. It isn't the first film to have a counter intuitive film score... but few notice film scores... except the elitists that gather in forums with white jackets that strap up the back. Yes? ;-) ;-) ;-)

.Ladyhawke is really an excellent beautiful fotographed movie but its film score ruins it completley.....

actually nothing is able to ruin that movie for me.... ;)

I believe the critics of the time said the score 'sabotaged' the film. It was a shame. A lovely film and suddenly your teeth began to grind uncontrollably. It isn't the first film to have a counter intuitive film score... but few notice film scores... except the elitists that gather in forums with white jackets that strap up the back. Yes? ;-) ;-) ;-)

Oh I knew where to put that term "elitists" where it should fit perfectly, certainly not for the people here who showed discontent or disgusts over this score on this particular thread ;-)
A hint?...Nah it's in the open in this forum. :p

(dirty)

(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/n2k.png/)

You would think that with all his money Hans Zimmer could bleach his teeth to match his beard at least.

TSK. First rule of Photoshop: Use Hue & Saturation to take down the yellow levels on EVERYONE'S TEETH.

So that is Zimmer, huh? Seems a happy fellow.

TSK. First rule of Photoshop: Use Hue & Saturation to take down the yellow levels on EVERYONE'S TEETH.

Fixed that for ya.

I ve been listening to that score 5 or 6 times and I dont see the point in comparing it with Williams but I do compare it with Zimmer's early talent.
- Where has gone the transcendentalism of a Thin Red Line?
- Where is the emotional power of a Last Samurai?
- Where is the epicness of a Crimson Tide?
- Where is the nostalgia of a Lion King?

I haven't seen the movie, but come on Hans, after all these years what the hell is that? Sure the score has to fit the movie but could it, at least sound great? That guy now seems to only rely on computer generated sound rather than an orchestra. Sometimes I wonder if his only wish is to enter in the record book in the section "most powerful sound ever recorded" answer? => Man of Steel 2013 and his 500 drummers

I've recently seen the film, and as I suspected the film mixes on a bunch of cues are far superior to how they appear on the album. I knew something was up for example with the second half of "Flight" when I first heard the album. I knew something was missing and not only was it inaudible, it's not there at all. The "string section" is awesome in that track. I instantly said to myself upon hearing it in the film "there you go! I get it now". The same can be said for other cues, the string section again are far more prominent, as is choir on occasions.

I really hope the recording sessions are leaked and we have the cues as they appear in the film. Hearing tracks like Flight now without that powerhouse string section is very disappointing. Not to mention the mastering of the tracks, as they appear on the album (Deluxe included) isn't very impressive either. Too much DC, not enough fidelity. It all sounds rather flat. Strange, considering past Zimmer albums have been bombarded with bass. They still sounded better overall though. Let's see what the very possibly RS leak will bring us.

well considering previous leaks, there might always be the chance that those strings were added post-recordings

but we will see

That is a possibility. However, there are times pieces on album have strings present which are barely audible, where as in the film they can be heard much more noticeably, even with the sound effects track layered over them. It could be they used alternate takes from the initial sessions in the final film. That wouldn't be a first. This says to me it's unlikely it was down to a last minute decision to add in additional string sessions post-recordings.

'Superman reacts to Hans Zimmer's Man of Steel score' Superman reacts to Hans Zimmer's MAN OF STEEL score! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X18u6gZhBis)

Unfortunately, I can't offer any samples of my music, but a few users on these forums have heard my music.

Isn't that typical.


- Where has gone the transcendentalism of a Thin Red Line?

Overused, way too overused. Angels & Demons received heavy backlash for "ripping off" Thin Red Line.
Same hyperbolic use of the strings in Last Samurai as well in the end of the movie.

OZ: The Great and Powerful is a wonderful film with a weak score.
I couldn't get past all the exaggerated "mystic and wonder" of the adventure in the first half of the film.
But the score goes nicely with the film. As a stand alone album, it sucks.
Worse than all the claims against this Zimmer score.
I can't even believe that at one point I even listened to Elfman. Not even sure I want to listen to any Oingo Boingo after this GREAT AND POWERFUL atrocity.
Blech!

Has anyone been able to sort out a sort of chronological order for the tracks (obviously not including the Sketchbook track)?

Here's what I've come up with:

Look To The Stars (opening)
Arcade (stealing the codex)
Goodbye My Son (some of this also used after "Tetraforming")
Ignition (Zod arrives at Jor-El's launch site)
I Will Find Him (phantom zone)
Krypton's Last (Krypton destroyed/ship to earth)
Oil Rig
Are You Listening, Clark? (super-hearing/x-ray flashback #1)
I Have So Many Questions (under the ice)
Flight
Tornado (Flashback #3)
General Zod ("my name is General Zod") (possibly an edit in the movie)
You Led Us Here (a vision of the future)
Launch ("Launch the world ship")
Terraforming (terraforming begins)
You Die Or I Do (final fight, pt 1)
If You Love These People (final fight, pt 2)
This Is Clark Kent ("I wish he had seen...", "He saw" - Flashback #5) - (not 100% on this one, may be an edit in the movie).
What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World? (lead up to/start of end credits)

Unsure:
(Hans' Original Sketchbook)
DNA (Not sure, think some of this may be used when Clark saves Lois after escaping Zod's ship)
This Is Madness! (not sure on this, think it may be used during the Smallville steet battle?)
Sent Here For A Reason (Think this may be in flashback #2 after the bus crash)
Earth (not sure this is really used in the movie?)

Obviously there are parts of some tracks re-used for some of the first Clark/Zod battle in smallville, but think these are in the order they appear mostly complete in the movie, Anyone got any other thoughts?

How old is "old"? Past puberty?


I guess everybody beyond 20 is an "old fart" for him, lol !

Speaking about this dreadful noises badly called score, too many pages are being wasted on this, but at the end of the day the fact is that Zimmer sucks !!!!!

I was thinking about all these versions and if any were in fact ripped with AccurateRip using EAC.


I was just thinking of this score when I was doing the dishes. It occurred to me while washing my stainless STEEL bowl.
There's a very blatant "steel" theme for this movie.
I hadn't seen the movie so I can only go so far with it.

The movie is titled "Man of Steel" not "Faster than Speeding Bullet" or "Superman". But deliberately incorporated the word "steel".
The posters and pictures revolving around our beloved caped superhero has a very distinct "metallic" design.
The costumes of the Kryptonian homeworld are largely "metallic" in design.
Hell, the trailer shows that a lot of the shots seem to have some sort of "metallic" saturation included as a color overtone to the film. The blues, greys and pretty much even the golden lights all share this same "metallic" saturation.
Now, even, the score has a nice "metallic" or "steely" vibe to throughout the whole score.
Is this not, maybe, a coincidence?

Was there a heartfelt exchange of dialogue at the end of the movie about the villain saying "You're the Man of Steel -- Your heart should be, too." "NAY, VILLAIN! IT'S HEART OF GOLD!" "Then let me rip it out and show it to you! :mad:"

See where I'm going with this?

There's even steel sculptures used as percussion in the score. So, yeah. I think that Zimmer wanted to brought more like an alien but human sound to Superman, than the patriotic and cliched american sound from Williams. It's not for everybody's taste, but it's not generic like most of the people are saying. There's much more dedication here, than in Zimmer's scores for Batman (exluding JNH's contributions). Checking the photos of the booklet shows that they spended lots of time working on the score. Few composers would have got the balls to redefine the sound of one of the most iconic figures in pop culture which it had one of the most iconic scores in film history.

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I've recently seen the film, and as I suspected the film mixes on a bunch of cues are far superior to how they appear on the album. I knew something was up for example with the second half of "Flight" when I first heard the album. I knew something was missing and not only was it inaudible, it's not there at all. The "string section" is awesome in that track. I instantly said to myself upon hearing it in the film "there you go! I get it now". The same can be said for other cues, the string section again are far more prominent, as is choir on occasions.

I really hope the recording sessions are leaked and we have the cues as they appear in the film. Hearing tracks like Flight now without that powerhouse string section is very disappointing. Not to mention the mastering of the tracks, as they appear on the album (Deluxe included) isn't very impressive either. Too much DC, not enough fidelity. It all sounds rather flat. Strange, considering past Zimmer albums have been bombarded with bass. They still sounded better overall though. Let's see what the very possibly RS leak will bring us.


An that's the reason of why I haven't listened to the CD before watching the film. Listening to Zimmer's CD arragements it's like watching a film in CAM quality.

I do wonder if in the sessions, the "uh-oh" bit that was recorded from Zack Snyder's daughter in the scoring sessions will be included, Patrick Doyle did something similar in Rise of the Planet of the Apes with the choir performing "I've got a cookie for you" xD But that wasn't included on the sessions.

I do wonder if in the sessions, the "uh-oh" bit that was recorded from Zack Snyder's daughter in the scoring sessions will be included, Patrick Doyle did something similar in Rise of the Planet of the Apes with the choir performing "I've got a cookie for you" xD But that wasn't included on the sessions.

Which track was that now? I know I didn't listen to 2 or 3 of the tracks :/

Or maybe I just forgot xD

Also where is the uh-oh in man of steel? :P






I wonder which will show up first, man of steel sessions or star trek into darkness sessions... lol

My tracklist

01 - Look To The Stars
02 - DNA
03 - Goodbye My Son
04 - Ignition
05 - Launch
06 - I Will Find Him
07 - Krypton's Last
08 - Oil Rig
09 - Are You Listening, Clark?
10 - Sent Here For A Reason
11 - I Have So Many Questions
12 - Flight
13 - Tornado
14 - This Is Clark Kent
15 - General Zod
16 - You Led Us Here
17 - You Die Or I Do
18 - Arcade
19 - Terraforming
20 - You Die Or I Do
21- If You Love These People
22 - What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World?
23 - Zimmer Sketchbook

You Die Or I Do, I placed two times since I remember listening to it when Kal and Zod fight, both in Smallville and Metropolis, there's even a clip in the internet of the Smallvile attack. I palced the sketchbook at the end as sort of a credits suite, Earth and This Is Madness are gone since they're more of a demo tracks, but don't know if they played at the credits.
The tragic part of General Zod plays with Krypton's Last, before the ship with Kal hits Earth.

My tracklist

01 - Look To The Stars
02 - DNA
03 - Goodbye My Son
04 - Ignition
05 - Launch
06 - I Will Find Him
07 - Krypton's Last
08 - Oil Rig
09 - Are You Listening, Clark?
10 - Sent Here For A Reason
11 - I Have So Many Questions
12 - Flight
13 - Tornado
14 - This Is Clark Kent
15 - General Zod
16 - You Led Us Here
17 - You Die Or I Do
18 - Arcade
19 - Terraforming
20 - You Die Or I Do
21- If You Love These People
22 - What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World?
23 - Zimmer Sketchbook

You Die Or I Do, I placed two times since I remember listening to it when Kal and Zod fight, both in Smallville and Metropolis, there's even a clip in the internet of the Smallvile attack. I palced the sketchbook at the end as sort of a credits suite, Earth and This Is Madness are gone since they're more of a demo tracks, but don't know if they played at the credits.
The tragic part of General Zod plays with Krypton's Last, before the ship with Kal hits Earth.

I dunno, I don't usually say this, but perhaps we can spoiler scene specifics and/or plot details?

Also, who is ahead now? Tastes Great, or Less Filling...? :awsm:

I'm ahead. Because I like this music. Great fun late at night, sit back in the chair, open all the windows to share with the neighbors and blast it. I haven't seen the film. Spoilers do not bother me. I'm just listening to the music and creating my own images, my lil' puddin-pop!

I wouldnt put it passed the movie to have certain tracks play multiple times

I mean how many times did TDKR play a variation on 'Gothams Reckoning?'

Well, I just saw the film over the weekend, and I have to say that Henry Cavill is no Chris Reeve, to be sure. I just could NOT see him as Kal-El, and, as much as I LOVE Amy Adams, her Lois Lane was way out in left field somewhere, don't know why, I guess everyone can have an off day, or an "off movie". I won't even begin to mention Lawrence Fishburn as Perry White (OMG)!!! And where the HELL was Jimmy Olsen??? The whole plot seemed to be sort of like a "Jean Claude Van Damme" movie, where he gets the stuffing kicked out of him for 3/4 of the movie, and then somehow comes back to defeat all the bad guys. Makes you sit in the darkened theatre and say "WTF??"
Add to that, the fact that it took Kal-El something like 30 years to come to terms with his various powers and abilities, yet all of General Zod's people seemed to get them all at once! Would have been better if only SOME of his people, including Zod himself had only a portion of SOME of the powers, that would have made the fight a little less one sided! And I watched the fight scenes wondering why Kal (as he was known in the film) just didn't punch the bad guys in the throat, or chop them across the "adam's apple", or kick them in the balls, or just snap their freaking necks, or just SOMETHING! Real fighting is never as one sided as that. I liked the fact that Kal-El was made more human in his youth, and why he had to hide his powers as a boy (So, no "Superboy" movies for the future, huh?)

All in all, it would have been ALOT better if they had kept the young man from "Superman Returns" along with THAT Lois. Just because a script is horrible, you don't just throw away the whole cast and start over, THAT movie was produced by Jon Peters, as this one was! Why did he get to come back, and not remain loyal to his cast? Nice one, Jon!

that's my two cents.

William

Can't wait for your first screenplay!!!! ;-)

Which track was that now? I know I didn't listen to 2 or 3 of the tracks :/

Or maybe I just forgot xD

Also where is the uh-oh in man of steel? :P






I wonder which will show up first, man of steel sessions or star trek into darkness sessions... lol

Oil Rig. I would say that it's much more likely for the STID sessions to come out, since that they're already out there.

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And where the HELL was Jimmy Olsen?

She was in the movie. And yes, I said SHE.


All in all, it would have been ALOT better if they had kept the young man from "Superman Returns" along with THAT Lois. Just because a script is horrible, you don't just throw away the whole cast and start over, THAT movie was produced by Jon Peters, as this one was! Why did he get to come back, and not remain loyal to his cast? Nice one, Jon!

Superman Returns was all about making a love letter to Donner's films than making a new Superman for new generations. Also, they had a script for the sequel, but involved Superman killing his own son to stop Brainiac. Also, Nolan was brought here. Cavill was no Reeves, because he did his own version of Superman.

And let us not forget the most important part of this new Superman film. Cavill takes off his shirt. That has been a BIG selling factor. That is not to say he is not a good actor. But I have already seen him naked and the Superman mythos doesn't much interest me.

However, have I mentioned i like the music? ;-)

I need "mp3 320" version please!

All links are down... :(

And let us not forget the most important part of this new Superman film. Cavill takes off his shirt. That has been a BIG selling factor. That is not to say he is not a good actor. But I have already seen him naked and the Superman mythos doesn't much interest me.

However, have I mentioned i like the music? ;-)

Naked, or shirtless. Cause we really need to know, is he indeed a **man of steel**?


I need "mp3 320" version please!

All links are down...

Really?. I mean **seriously**?

Really?. I mean **seriously**?

Hahahahahahaaaaa. Had a glorious laugh at this one.

Well, I just saw the film over the weekend, and I have to say that Henry Cavill is no Chris Reeve, to be sure. I just could NOT see him as Kal-El, and, as much as I LOVE Amy Adams, her Lois Lane was way out in left field somewhere, don't know why, I guess everyone can have an off day, or an "off movie". I won't even begin to mention Lawrence Fishburn as Perry White (OMG)!!! And where the HELL was Jimmy Olsen???

That seems to be the reason that people dislike this, because it's not the Superman established by Richard Donner's version, which is good but not entirely faithful to the comics, neither does it stand up to modern effects for things like the powers of flight and the battling superbeings.

I for one loved it, though i agree it does get heavy on the special effects as it goes on, but you couldn't do a superman movie without them, it just wouldn't look right without the carnage that we see in the movie.

I need "mp3 320" version please!

All links are down... :(

Really???? Seriously???? You've got to be kidding me. Hahahahahahaha!!!!!! XD

(take off your shirt)

The Donner film is way off canon as far as the origin story and such are concerned. Or were. DC did s reboot of Supes in the 80's didn't they? Making it visually at least more in line with the Donner versions. There have been a metric ton of re-inventions for the origin. Everything from the very "by-the-book" Georges Reeves tv series through and up to Smallville and this film. Besides, Superman 1 and 2 had a very large issue. That being the icky super date rape/close encounter of a creepy kind. The Lois/Kal coupling, that he magically makes her forget ever doing. Returns actually amplifies this by having Supes Jr. Does she not wonder how **that** happened? So, instead of addressing this stuff, they broke new ground, just like the Dark Knight trilogy. And besides, who isn't tired of LEX as a villain on-screen? Also, Superman Unbound came out just before, right, and has Brainiac. Aside from those 2, what other villain could really work within an origin retelling? I have a severe social anxiety thing, and so will likely wait for home viewing. But if anything lures me out so far this year, this is it. And I am tired of origin re-do's. But, Dark KNight worked. Amazing Spidey worked. The avengers flicks worked. We need a Superman for the times. To remind us of just how awesome the one and only first Superhero is. Though I do hope the core of the character remains true to the roots,and that they show a character with those values can still be interesting and relevant in these times.


Still not a fan of the album though....:)

It is just a comic book, Amanda, not gospel. It is just a popcorn adventure film which has done BIG box office. It is just suppose to be fun.

None of this is the comic books I read & collected in the 1960s.

I doubt anyone is looking to model themselves on 'a Superman for our times'.

Now take off your shirt.

You'd be surprised. A lot of people take the comics far more seriously than that, these days. The closest in "feel" to their 60's heyday for me were the Fantastic Four films. They got the feel just right, and then thoroughly tanked.

I've taken off far more than a shirt, if you know where to look.

I agree, I found the new Superman to be like the new Spider-Man, a much more fresh and realistic take on the comics. Even Goyer, Nolan and Snyder said that they approeached the film as how does Superman would be treated in real life. I agree about Lois and Clark's relationship in the Donner films. I'm glad that Lois Lane was much more useful in this new version, and the fact of having Amy Adams, was even better.

About Luthor, there's some theories of having him on the sequel, where he would be rebuilding Metropolis and blaming Superman. In the film, there's some glimpses of LexCorp. About the score, half of it is uninteresting, the rest is good. My favorite cue is If You Love These People, old-school Zimmer.

The SCORE.....Went Good with the movie i Thought for the new ERA......!!!....:-)...Hail'S

Cavill takes off his shirt. That has been a BIG selling factor. That is not to say he is not a good actor. But I have already seen him naked and the Superman mythos doesn't much interest me.



Naked as in you know? without the (Super red) underpants? Oh If that's the case then I wouldn't mind listening to Zimmer's Man of Steel all day or all night If that's the scene to see :D
To be fair though I think Cavill did his best to portray Superman on how he should be like from this era. If there's really one that should be "Man of Steel" it should have been Lois in this version, the girl seems to be falling from all over the places yet refuses die (she could be an alien too for all we know) LoL.

For now, you'll have to settle for his chubby butt.

Henry Cavill Tudors Naked Scene - Video (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/513245/henry_cavill_tudors_naked_scene/)

With the possible exception of John Hamm, has a pair of men's underwear ever been the subject of debate by so many men? Although, come to think of it, didn't Brandon Routh's package come under massive scrutiny too?

I like this music! ;-)

I like this music! ;-)


I can�t believe you!

I once told blaarg that I will never comment anything on one of this threads, but this coming from you is quite surprising, I thought that you had good taste, and that you were selective, but maybe I�m wrong...

I can�t believe you!

I once told blaarg that I will never comment anything on one of this threads, but this coming from you is quite surprising, I thought that you had good taste, and that you were selective, but maybe I�m wrong...

Easy, now. Taste is relative. He likes it, he likes it. Just because you don't does not mean his taste is in question...I would still have utmost confidence in anything he suggested I listen too.

As for Routh's tightie reddies, yes there was much discussion. Mostly because the trunks went from trunks to mankini....

I can�t believe you!

I once told blaarg that I will never comment anything on one of this threads, but this coming from you is quite surprising, I thought that you had good taste, and that you were selective, but maybe I�m wrong...

I LIKE YOU, TOO!!!! ;-)

(take off your shirt)

Does anybody know if a video of the end credits can be found anywhere? I would love to try and reconstruct them, but have zero reference to use. And my memory is not even close to being good enough to remember the piece. I found one Youtube video but it isn't allowed in the ,US.
I do remember a chunk of Arcade was in it, but that is about it.

Thanks!

Easy, now. Taste is relative.

Quality isn't.

THAT, sir is still an opinion. The perceived quality of the score is debatable. The quality of phideas' character is not.

Anyhoo. I do not like the score. I feel it is low quality. But he likes it. Sparky likes it. Both men are of good character and taste. Does their having an opinion different than mine make them wrong? No. So the quality of this score (any art piece) is relative to the pleasure it brings to the viewer (in this instance).

No. You're once again confusing personal appreciation with judgement of quality.

And I wasn't referring to Phideas's opinion of the score.

You cannot possibly state in any sort of fashion the score is of one quality or another. Who decides that? you? How?

**can't believe i am defending the damn thing**

Quality isn't.


may not be. but it is a difficult thing to define in a way that most people agree to that definition.
as i might prefer "a" quality of something, and i might not care (and hence judge it un-important for me) for something, someone sais is a general definition (that coincidentally does not cover my own priorities)

definition of quality in my opinion is equally delicate as for example definition of intelligence.

Ok, the only thing Ive really learned from this thread is that I'm apparently the only member of the FFS who didn't care one bit for The Amazing Spider-Man movie!

Ok, the only thing Ive really learned from this thread is that I'm apparently the only member of the FFS who didn't care one bit for The Amazing Spider-Man movie!

Hey, I didn't either. It was awful.

So, I'm probably in the minority with this opinion, but I thought Zimmer's score was better than Man of Steel itself (which left me feeling with a "Just Okay". It's a mess of a film with good and great ideas, but clumsy execution and pacing). Most the things that occurred in the film never felt like they earned the grandiose personality of the score, which felt out of place in a lot of scenes. Other times it didn't and that was usually in the action sequences that hinged on "Zod's Theme".

Now isn't THAT an interesting opinion (turn of events), my little bunnies! ;-)

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I can only comment on the music for this film and Cavill's bare butt; however, the conjunction aside, I still find the music to be multi-layered: bombastic and gentle in emotion. The orchestration is typical Zimmer- all over the place- but I do not care. If he can accomplish as much with accordions and a Mr. Potato Head I would be just as satisfied.

And hey- how about a warm, all around applause for Amanda being so diplomatic on a topic with which she confesses to be dislocated. ;-)

"You might very well think that; but I couldn't possibly comment."

-Francis Urqhart/House of Cards

So when did this become "trash the comic book movies" thread?

It seems to me a lot of people have gone into this (and went into Amazing Spider-Man too) with expectations of what they want a superhero movie to be based on the previous versions, and then moan and complain because they didn't get THEIR version of the movie.

Personally, I preferred both The Amazing Spider-Man and Man Of Steel to their previous incarnations of their characters (though I did enjoy the original Donner Superman and the Raimi Spider-man) - while both of them may not have been outstanding movies, both were entertaining, and focused more on the character than their predecessors. If you think Man Of Steel didn't do this, then what were you watching for the hour after the Krypton opening? There was more than enough character true to the comics before the action was ramped up for the lowest common denominator, and even when that happened, it was faithful to how it should have been from the comics. No way there wouldn't be mass carnage when two superbeings are thrashing each other around like that, and you could only achieve that with effects.

Ok, the only thing Ive really learned from this thread is that I'm apparently the only member of the FFS who didn't care one bit for The Amazing Spider-Man movie!

Make that 2

So when did this become "trash the comic book movies" thread?

It seems to me a lot of people have gone into this (and went into Amazing Spider-Man too) with expectations of what they want a superhero movie to be based on the previous versions, and then moan and complain because they didn't get THEIR version of the movie.

Personally, I preferred both The Amazing Spider-Man and Man Of Steel to their previous incarnations of their characters (though I did enjoy the original Donner Superman and the Raimi Spider-man) - while both of them may not have been outstanding movies, both were entertaining, and focused more on the character than their predecessors. If you think Man Of Steel didn't do this, then what were you watching for the hour after the Krypton opening? There was more than enough character true to the comics before the action was ramped up for the lowest common denominator, and even when that happened, it was faithful to how it should have been from the comics. No way there wouldn't be mass carnage when two superbeings are thrashing each other around like that, and you could only achieve that with effects.

Well said.

Ok, the only thing Ive really learned from this thread is that I'm apparently the only member of the FFS who didn't care one bit for The Amazing Spider-Man movie!

I too didn't like it. I just couldn't stand the film and the only shining element of that film for me is the score. It was really awful! Oh but I mention the connection between the score and the film eh.

I liked Amazing more than I expected to. I still like the previous incarnation better in most ways, but I was overjoyed to have non organic web shooters once again. I really did not like or dislike the scores for any of Spidy's films. Elfman or Horner. Both left me feeling more or less generic.

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I can only comment on the music for this film an Cavill's bare butt; however, the conjunction aside, I still find the music to be multi-layered: bombastic and gentle in emotion. The orchestration is typical Zimmer- all over the place- but I do not care. If he can accomplish as much with accordions and a Mr. Potato Head I would be just as satisfied.

And hey- how about a warm, all around applause for Amanda being so diplomatic on a topic with which she confesses to be dislocated. ;-)

"You might very well think that; but I couldn't possibly comment."

-Francis Urqhart/House of Cards

**new meds** :)

But of course, if we all liked or did the same things, there would be no variety. I still feel...yes, wimple, feel, that the true worth or quality of music, or visual art is the pleasure it brings to a person. What other measure can there be on something so subjective. How can you take feeling and pleasure out of an equation on art's merits?

but I was overjoyed to have non organic web shooters once again.
Yeah I appreciate that part where the web shooter was used but other than that...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :D

And without variety- and independent films rich in quality (can we say CLOUD ATLAS?)- we would be very bored. Artists learn to pander to the masses in order to make big bucks... but occasionally art doesn't have to be amount the masses or money. That often results in something very different. I like different. I am a tough audience. As well as a lovely person. ;-)

Now, let me tickle your tummy for some of those meds... PUH-LEEZE!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry I haven't seen Cloud Atlas yet can't say much to that but Phideas1, thank you for showing the back shot of the moon of Cavill's. Ah, the Moon of Steel!! :D

There were buns? I didn't see any buns? **pout**

Phideas, you don't want these meds. They even me out, but kill all sponteneity, personality, artistic feeling, sexual feeling.....Zombie Goddess is here...:? **Le Sigh**

Sounds like you swallowed wimple69.

CLOUD ATLAS is now available to purchase or rent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's with Cloud Atlas???
Is it a super hero movie like Man of Steel???
Did Hans Zimmer do that film???

I'm not interested in seeing it. Dream-state slushies don't sit well with me.
I couldn't finish The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus without taking a drug test.

So when did this become "trash the comic book movies" thread?

It seems to me a lot of people have gone into this (and went into Amazing Spider-Man too) with expectations of what they want a superhero movie to be based on the previous versions, and then moan and complain because they didn't get THEIR version of the movie.

Hmmm…. Seems to me your judging a whole lot of people based on your assumptions of what a superhero movie ought to be. I mean, in all honesty, the only thing I remember about The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) is how much of a douche-bag he was and that the characterization of Peter Parker as yet another annoying emo kid in a hoodie just made me feel like punching him in the face. But, then again, the only Spider-Man I would reference would be the '60's cartoon (which has the best Spidey theme and music ever, by the way), and I was watching that a long, long time ago.


Personally, I preferred both The Amazing Spider-Man and Man Of Steel to their previous incarnations of their characters (though I did enjoy the original Donner Superman and the Raimi Spider-man) - while both of them may not have been outstanding movies, both were entertaining, and focused more on the character than their predecessors. If you think Man Of Steel didn't do this, then what were you watching for the hour after the Krypton opening? There was more than enough character true to the comics before the action was ramped up for the lowest common denominator, and even when that happened, it was faithful to how it should have been from the comics. No way there wouldn't be mass carnage when two superbeings are thrashing each other around like that, and you could only achieve that with effects.

Notice how you've used "the comics" in global terms? Well, as I'm sure you are well aware, the Superman comic goes back to the 1930's and clearly Man of Steel (2013) does not emulate either the tone or content of that period or even that of the '40's through to the '80's. So when you cite "the comics" it would be prudent to specify which period of "the comics" you are making comparison to. Because, you know what? There are people still alive who grew up reading Superman comics before you were even born and stopped reading them when they, you know, grew up, so obviously the only Superman they know is the one they actually read or witnessed in popular media throughout the time Superman was of any interest to them.

Ultimately, your mopey "mass carnage" Superman is and will never be somebody else's quaint but charming "truth and justice" Superman.

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I still feel...yes, wimple, feel, that the true worth or quality of music, or visual art is the pleasure it brings to a person. What other measure can there be on something so subjective. How can you take feeling and pleasure out of an equation on art's merits?

I see you are still pedaling that anti-intellectual guff.

? I do not even understand that remark? How can enjoyment of art, of music be purely intellectual? If it does not touch you, what's the point? Now, this score does not, in fact, move me, which is why I say, for myself, I do not feel it is a very good piece of music. But obviously, it HAS touched others. So which great intellectual criteria shall we use to discredit whose "feelings"?

Hmmm�. Seems to me your judging a whole lot of people based on your assumptions of what a superhero movie ought to be. I mean, in all honesty, the only thing I remember about The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) is how much of a douche-bag he was and that the characterization of Peter Parker as yet another annoying emo kid in a hoodie just made me feel like punching him in the face. But, then again, the only Spider-Man I would reference would be the '60's cartoon (which has the best Spidey theme and music ever, by the way), and I was watching that a long, long time ago.



Notice how you've used "the comics" in global terms? Well, as I'm sure you are well aware, the Superman comic goes back to the 1930's and clearly Man of Steel (2013) does not emulate either the tone or content of that period or even that of the '40's through to the '80's. So when you cite "the comics" it would be prudent to specify which period of "the comics" you are making comparison to. Because, you know what? There are people still alive who grew up reading Superman comics before you were even born and stopped reading them when they, you know, grew up, so obviously the only Superman they know is the one they actually read or witnessed in popular media throughout the time Superman was of any interest to them.

Ultimately, your mopey "mass carnage" Superman is and will never be somebody else's quaint but charming "truth and justice" Superman.

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I see you are still pedaling that anti-intellectual guff.

If you go back and read, what i ACTUALLY said was "character true to the comics". The character is one of the things that's always stayed central to "the comics". Don't put words in my mouth and "generalise" for me. What they did well was have it set present day in a real world scenario with Superman's principles as the basis and central to his character, and they did that with Amazing Spider-Man too.

Why does the film needs a known actor for the role, where Reeves and the other actors who played Superman we're totally unknowns before getting the role? Also, music is supposed to be a part of the film, not trying to be better than the film.

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It would be better to pay more attention to the music of these composers, instead of paying attention to bash one.

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It's true. Not only for Zimmer. The mixing of scores are terrible in these days. Check JNH's last scores, the sessions have a better sound and balance of the instruments than the music released on CD.

Thank you for this... Not everyone hates the score, or what Zimmer does. It is all about personal opinion and taste.

And I agree about the sessions being better than the official album... Why don't they just release the sessions, and entice us all to buy it?

1) Last night I listened to Zimmer's effort with head phones. There is an orchestra in there. Strings, solo violin, solo electric violin, solo (mouth closed ala Ralph Vaughan Williams Flos Campi) female voice, solo piano, his signature synthesized chorus and natural chorus. a great deal of drumming (check the score for Rapa Nui if you want MORE drumming in a score) and his own electronic effects that we have come to love and adore. John Williams it ain't. But it certainly is a panorama of sound that cried out: Soundtrack. I like it. I don't like all his stuff. But when I am in the mood for something different, I put away my Korngold and spin Zimmer to blast the hell out of my neighbors.

2) I like the mythos established in the 1960s for various comic books. Never cared for Spiderman, Batman, Superman, Captain America- but I greatly collected Fantastic Four, Thor, The Avengers and especially Dr. Strange. Other than an animated version of Dr. Strange's origin story that I greatly enjoyed, all the other films have disappointed me for a myriad of reasons- mostly because they strayed from the stories and visuals I enjoyed when I was 'younger'.

3) I read there was a special viewing of Man of Steel on the Isle of Jersey from which Henry Clavill hails. That is nice. All three main actors showed for the premiere. I wonder if the ghost of Lillie Langtry (Lillie Langtry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillie_Langtry)) would approve- or be jealous? ;-)

1) Last night I listened to Zimmer's effort with head phones. There is an orchestra in there. Strings, solo violin, solo electric violin, solo (mouth closed ala Ralph Vaughan Williams Flos Campi) female voice, solo piano, his signature synthesized chorus and natural chorus. a great deal of drumming (check the score for Rapa Nui if you want MORE drumming in a score) and his own electronic effects that we have come to love and adore. John Williams it ain't. But it certainly is a panorama of sound that cried out: Soundtrack. I like it. I don't like all his stuff. But when I am in the mood for something different, I put away my Korngold and spin Zimmer to blast the hell out of my neighbors.


2) I like the mythos established in the 1960s for various comic books. Never cared for Spiderman, Batman, Superman, Captain America- but I greatly collected Fantastic Four, Thor, The Avengers and especially Dr. Strange. Other than an animated version of Dr. Strange's origin story that I greatly enjoyed, all the other films have disappointed me for a myriad of reasons- mostly because they strayed from the stories and visuals I enjoyed when I was 'younger'.

3) I read there was a special viewing of Man of Steel on the Isle of Jersey from which Henry Clavill hails. That is nice. All three main actors showed for the premiere. I wonder if the ghost of Lillie Langtry (Lillie Langtry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillie_Langtry)) would approve- or be jealous? ;-)


Say what?

Once again my friend, is like you like all the Greatest Rock Groups in History, like The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Cream, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Rush, Kimg Crimson, etc... and all the sudden you say I enjoyed the last album of the Jonas Brothers, what�s even more, I heard it trough my head phones, and there is an Electric Guitar, a Bass Guitar, Drums, hey, and they sing too!

So, if you like something you consider bad, you're an idiot, and if you hate something others hate, you're a genius.

Can't believe Kal- El would actually save us so we can continue on this.

Say what?

Once again my friend, is like you like all the Greatest Rock Groups in History, like The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Cream, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Rush, Kimg Crimson, etc... and all the sudden you say I enjoyed the last album of the Jonas Brothers, what�s even more, I heard it trough my head phones, and there is an Electric Guitar, a Bass Guitar, Drums, hey, and they sing too!

I'm sorry I disappoint you so much, Erich. Should I join a lemming convention and sail off the top of the Himalayas? No, I didn't think so (I am deathly afraid of heights and sherpas). King Crimson I listened to in high school. None of the others. I no longer listen to it. I've grew out of that phase into something called classical music while in college... I have not enjoyed any of Zimmer's early work. What he did for those awful/abysmal Batman movies doesn't resonate with me in the least. What he did for those awful/abysmal Dan Brown novels as films I did enjoy.

I am open to possibilities but I am also open to closing the door on music or any other art that I find dissatisfying. I am not here to DEFEND my tastes.... only to herald music that I enjoy or moves me deeply. Feel free to grab your wax Phiddy doll and stick pins if you wish- but I adore Gerald Finzi's work... Kaczmarek's music can be so rewarding on many levels... I just discovered Franz Schreker (mistaking his Prelude for a drama as a Korngold piece) and have not stop listening to his work. But you will just have to clench your teeth, draw up your testicles, and wince in knowling on occasion I listen to a Zimmer score.

Now.... wasn't Lillie Langtry pretty? ;-)

PS. Clovie, I want to bear your babies.

;-)

Now that escalated quickly :D

So, if you like something you consider bad, you're an idiot, and if you hate something others hate, you're a genius.

Can't believe Kal- El would actually save us so we can continue on this.


Is not what others hate, in my case I�ve never liked any of the Media Ventures "composers", but in the case of P1, his post took me by surprise knowing him a bit, that�s why in the first place I commented something in here, that�s why I didn�t want to do anything with these threads, this is my last.

Oh and btw, taste, it�s what it define us in life, you may have good taste or bad taste, period.

“People who like this sort of thing,” as Abraham Lincoln said, “will find this the sort of thing they like.”

Taste is relative.

As my old art history professor said so often when a specific image was unexpectedly projected on the wall: "Hmmmm.... one should not speak ill of the dead. Next slide please." ;-)

I'm sure a lot of you had already read a bunch of articles but here's one from LA Weekly that tells us he used a sledgehammer and a train.
How Does Hans Zimmer Keep His Film Scores Fresh? He Invents New Instruments - Page 1 - Film+TV - Los Angeles - LA Weekly (http://www.laweekly.com/2013-06-20/film-tv/hans-zimmer-lone-ranger/)

^ No matter how you come to a result... Only the results counts. The blah blah about it is only for intellectuals who need arguments as well as something to excite their imagination (when the music doesn't !).

That's why I never watch "makings of".

And just WHAT did Gil Melle use in his unorthodox score for The Andromeda Strain? I believe a bowling alley and buzz saw were used in that score.... And Jerry Goldsmith used a series of bowls and pans for POTA. I think if we took a croquet mallet to wimple69's skull the result would be a satisfying and delicious 'ping'. ;-)

Haivng finally seen the movie, I do feel now that the score fits the movie
(Most of the time, its rather too bombastic for its own good at a few moments)
Terraforming is still the standout moment for me

Oh and btw, taste, it�s what it define us in life, you may have good taste or bad taste, period.

in some centuries it is defined good taste what later ( or earlier) was defined bad taste.
one normally has taste, in that i agree.
whether it is considered good or bad, often enough depends on a variety of factors.... and it can change (the "judgement"...oh well, taste itself too, actually, of course). it is no constant in the universe, sort of ;)

to me, it seems relative to the society you live in, to the time you live in. :)

...Ah, the Moon of Steel!! :D

That one ??!...

who need arguments

It wasn't for arguments sake. It was for the ones who like the score enough to learn more about it.
Just like Beltrami using teeth from the skulls of feral pigs in World War Z.
Which, I like, btw. Listened to it last night and got a thrill out of it.

I've been asked via PM by somebody to remove the previous Rhino picture because... "It kills the thread".

I want to say here that the picture has nothing to do with John Williams score's Rhino release ! Case over.

Please move along, and keep on topic, wich is as usual just about music, heart, and Art. ;)

How can enjoyment of art, of music be purely intellectual?

I don't recall making such a claim. Citation, please.


If it does not touch you, what's the point?

A ludicrous proposition which presumes the subjective experience of the end use listener is the sole arbiter of value, completely disregarding the expertise of anyone who engages with music on an analytical level: composers, performers, producers, academics, students and aficionados.


Now, this score does not, in fact, move me, which is why I say, for myself, I do not feel it is a very good piece of music. But obviously, it HAS touched others.

Your subjective experience may be suitable for discussion of a composition's entertainment value but would be irrelevant to any discussion concerned with objective analysis of its technical or scholarly merits.


So which great intellectual criteria shall we use to discredit whose "feelings"?

I can't even deduce the rationale for laying claim to such a bizarre supposition.

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If you go back and read, what i ACTUALLY said was "character true to the comics". The character is one of the things that's always stayed central to "the comics". Don't put words in my mouth and "generalise" for me. What they did well was have it set present day in a real world scenario with Superman's principles as the basis and central to his character, and they did that with Amazing Spider-Man too.

Well, something's not kosher, otherwise all these kerfuffles wouldn't break out across the intertubes with each and every iteration of these characters. I seem to recall heated arguments over the characterization of Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man/Peter Parker, and Man of Steel has been met with mixed response, many citing the morose tone and unprecedented violence as counterintuitive to their impressions of the character, whilst the new kids on the block can't get enough of the "massive carnage" and "Batman from Krypton".

I'm going to see Man of Steel this upcoming week if it makes any difference whatsoever.

Ok. I'm done here. Being called ignorant and ludicrous because I prefer to just enjoy music? Because if I find something pleasant, I consider it good. Bye.

isn't this just another thread that just adds on to the already obscene amount of duplicate threads of the same topic, varying in qualities though.

I'm sure a lot of you had already read a bunch of articles but here's one from LA Weekly that tells us he used a sledgehammer and a train.
How Does Hans Zimmer Keep His Film Scores Fresh? He Invents New Instruments - Page 1 - Film+TV - Los Angeles - LA Weekly (http://www.laweekly.com/2013-06-20/film-tv/hans-zimmer-lone-ranger/)

Pity the music on the page … OOPS … sorry, screen, wasn't as fresh as the gimmicks.

I don't recall making such a claim. Citation, please.



A ludicrous proposition which presumes the subjective experience of the end use listener is the sole arbiter of value, completely disregarding the expertise of anyone who engages with music on an analytical level: composers, performers, producers, academics, students and aficionados.



Your subjective experience may be suitable for discussion of a composition's entertainment value but would be irrelevant to any discussion concerned with objective analysis of its technical or scholarly merits.



I can't even deduce the rationale for laying claim to such a bizarre supposition.

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Well, something's not kosher, otherwise all these kerfuffles wouldn't break out across the intertubes with each and every iteration of these characters. I seem to recall heated arguments over the characterization of Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man/Peter Parker, and Man of Steel has been met with mixed response, many citing the morose tone and unprecedented violence as counterintuitive to their impressions of the character, whilst the new kids on the block can't get enough of the "massive carnage" and "Batman from Krypton".

Such usage of profound words almost gave me a headache trying to grasp the ideas you've just presented and I can't help but state that for me as a comparison it's like a potpourri of various ingredients adding to the whole element to make up a delicious meal or in this case arguments that to fully appreciate it, one has to fully understand your point. I don't know if i make sense with that but you do.

A ludicrous proposition which presumes the subjective experience of the end use listener is the sole arbiter of value, completely disregarding the expertise of anyone who engages with music on an analytical level: composers, performers, producers, academics, students and aficionados.


i do not know about ludicrous, but i have experienced for example books, or take a carefully cooked meal, a picture (painting), that was wonderfully constructed from a technical point of view, so on an analytical level there is nothing wrong with.
it still does not appeal on a subjective level, maybe, the whole is more than the sum of its parts.
so, the analytical level - to me - often does not seem to be the decisive or critical element.
a perfectly well written book can still be boring.

we cannot dismiss the more analytical level, but i for my part know it is not decisive for me.

I find it interesting, how varied definitions can be and can develop. Even the analytic ones, btw.
The way we perceive things changes.
The way we think changes.
And ultimately that can change our criteria too.
"Subjective" is difficult to measure. That is what makes it... kind of dubious maybe.
Unreliable, but maybe that is just because we do not understand it yet.
Analytical on the other hand sometimes just SEEMS reliable.


Sorry. Just had one cup of coffee.
babbling over.

When I first saw this thread, I was tempted to start a new thread called "Man of Steel" and inside was a quote "No score just a pic of Iron Giant cosplaying as Supes" and a pic of Super Iron Giant below that. I didn't think the joke would go over well so decided not to. :p

Analytical listening/reading/looking-at is not the only response one will have towards music, literature and art - but it's the only one worth reporting. Comments like "This is a fantastic score, I recommend it" or "I loved/hated it" have no meaning and no value, because they're purely emotional and will tell everybody else absolutely nothing about the work of art in question. Typically, in a film music forum, the discussion goes like this:

A: This is a great score, I loved it.
B. It's not a great score. It has no distinctive themes, the music does not stand on its own because it is shapeless.
A: I loved it. You cannot persuade me otherwise.
B: I did not intend to. Well, why do you think that it's a great score.
A: I loved it.
B: I see. [Sigh]

....i agree both levels are important, both in their own way.

i do not agree it is the only one worth reporting.
If "A" cannot get himself or herself to describe what made score loveable a tad more, that very possible, but no automatic reaction. often, it is absolutely possible to describe what you liked or disliked.
the way the drums accompanied the violin (not describing something real here) for example. or the mix of slow moments with faster ones. they way drums and violin were used might still be "bad" from an analytical point of view, though.

Pity the music on the page � OOPS � sorry, screen, wasn't as fresh as the gimmicks.

Your inability to write comprehensible sentences lead up and down blind alleys. Simple declarative that make sense. Practice that. But like Amanda, I have grown weary of this thread that has become just garbled nonsense.

Your inability to write comprehensible sentences lead up and down blind alleys. Simple declarative that make sense. Practice that. But like Amanda, I have grown weary of this thread that has become just garbled nonsense.

Like this?: Bye!

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maybe, the whole is more than the sum of its parts.
so, the analytical level - to me - often does not seem to be the decisive or critical element.
a perfectly well written book can still be boring.

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.

Analytical listening/reading/looking-at is not the only response one will have towards music, literature and art - but it's the only one worth reporting. Comments like "This is a fantastic score, I recommend it" or "I loved/hated it" have no meaning and no value, because they're purely emotional and will tell everybody else absolutely nothing about the work of art in question. Typically, in a film music forum, the discussion goes like this:

A: This is a great score, I loved it.
B. It's not a great score. It has no distinctive themes, the music does not stand on its own because it is shapeless.
A: I loved it. You cannot persuade me otherwise.
B: I did not intend to. Well, why do you think that it's a great score.
A: I loved it.
B: I see. [Sigh]

Because if there's one that defines Zimmer's critics on this board, it's a complete lack of emotion. Right. You keep trying to present your opinion as being inherently, empirically superior to those who disagree with you, but what you say there is itself objectively untrue. There are distinctive themes in this score. That's just a fact. I'm sorry you don't like the score, but saying it's because you have a higher understanding of music is incredibly condescending and only makes you look bad.

why the hell would someone disregard emotions when it comes to music?

Because if there's one that defines Zimmer's critics on this board, it's a complete lack of emotion. Right. You keep trying to present your opinion as being inherently, empirically superior to those who disagree with you, but what you say there is itself objectively untrue. There are distinctive themes in this score. That's just a fact. I'm sorry you don't like the score, but saying it's because you have a higher understanding of music is incredibly condescending and only makes you look bad.

Persecution complexes aren't pretty.

From my reading wimpel69 was only addressing the banal content of most film music discussion he/she comes across. That's all. Or will even that give you the sadz too?

You all noticed I'm the only one to be right around here, isn't it ?


On a sidenote, why nobody warned it wasn't with real actors ??? ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQG6F76On-M )

I can�t believe you!

I once told blaarg that I will never comment anything on one of this threads, but this coming from you is quite surprising, I thought that you had good taste, and that you were selective, but maybe I�m wrong...

Yes i have to say i am quite surprised as well, specially when this kind of "music" is very well liked by youngsters who really do not know anything about film music, although they think they do ...

Maybe he is joking :)

^ I've counted the points so far in this thread and Phideas is actually winning. Deal with it.

What you are talking about ? how is he winning ???

How can he win with such an AWFUL score !!!!!!!!

(http://picturepush.com/public/13378575)

What you are talking about ? how is he winning ???

How can he win with such an AWFUL score !!!!!!!!


Exactly as Superman as well as Zimmer do: HE's the law.

Edit: but he doesn't need the score actually.

Six days, eight pages, and over 4000 views?...Ah, then it would seem that everything is going perfectly according to plan.

*laughs maniacally*
*rubs hands together*

This is quite incredible and it really does reveal the rather barbaric and callus nature of many of the Shrine's denizens. I'll bet psychologists could learn a lot from these 8 pages--a lot about what, though, I haven't a clue.

Please, do continue your drivel and flawed arguments.

First: Taste is an emotionally-related perception.
Second: Opinion is based on experience and coarse facts. More emotion, than fact.
third: Criticism is based on facts, it is a strict comparison. Nothing emotional. It is an analysis.

Insults are emotional expressions, therefore completely irrelevant.

You like that kind of sound? Ok. Only this is not a justification.


A: This is a great score, I loved it.
B. It's not a great score. It has no distinctive themes, the music does not stand on its own because it is shapeless.
A: I loved it. You cannot persuade me otherwise.
B: I did not intend to. Well, why do you think that it's a great score.
A: I loved it.
B: I see. [Sigh]

Further in the text: I have seen the movie and, well, the prologue is quite fun... without that creepy sound- music something.
Danger danger. Now comes a justification. And please do not start crying or offend again. I just ask a few questions.

Why is he writing a theme which he then does not use? "This is Clarke Kent" Use, not constantly repeat.
Why this esoteric female voice? "Look to the stars", "Kryptons Last", "Goodbye My Son". Is that a Jesus movie? You know, this one from Nazareth.
Why Ennio Morricone (bassline) and Steve Jablonsky (percussion)? Not enough ideas? All tracks, for example... ahh... all tracks.
Why so generic? Why so boring? Why so predictable? Why so uninspired? All tracks.
Why the choir? Why the electric guitar? Why the standard 90's action music? "If you love this people". All action cues.
Why always loud in places where you should be quiet? Destruction of Krypton, flight of the capsule to Earth, ...
Why all this Steve Jablonsky "Transformers" action cues? "Launch", "Terraforming", ...


Oh man, now I'm pretty hungry and tired. Shitstorm ahead? Hope not. See you.


And before anyone asks: no, emotions are not bad.. Only criticism is not interested in emotions. Only on facts.

...
Why this esoteric female voice? "Look to the stars", "Kryptons Last", "Goodbye My Son". Is that a Jesus movie? You know, this one from Nazareth.
...

Did it took you 60 years to understand Superman is the "Hoolywood's Jesus" ?

Let's call it the "faithless" version (... comic books)

... Unfortunately, the Hollywood version does not care about the roots of a conflict. The "real version" did. Note that I'm not even christian neither catholic, but there's a bit of History to learn or search about.

Fortunately there's no calendar with years before / after Superman... Well, not yet !

Did it took you 60 years to understand Superman is the "Hoolywood's Jesus" ?


Does that mean we'll get rid of him for something like two or three thousand years someday ? Because his boy scout, never wrong attitude is so....

boring. just like this score, from what i've heard of it.

Six days, eight pages, and over 4000 views?...Ah, then it would seem that everything is going perfectly according to plan.

*laughs maniacally*
*rubs hands together*

This is quite incredible and it really does reveal the rather barbaric and callus nature of many of the Shrine's denizens. I'll bet psychologists could learn a lot from these 8 pages--a lot about what, though, I haven't a clue.

Please, do continue your drivel and flawed arguments.

Each one his own: some are just here to meet and discuss, not necessarily about ... about what already ?
I think the thread you started has nothing to do with what you could expect of it to be. Thanks btw.

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Does that mean we'll get rid of him for something like two or three thousand years someday ?

... You mean: Will this fashion never end ?...

If so I approve your post.

What you are talking about ? how is he winning ???

How can he win with such an AWFUL score !!!!!!!!

Not everyone knows me on here, a few have messaged back and forth with me a bit more, but most of you will at least be aware of me from postings and uploads (which I do when/if i can). So if you know me, you should also know i am an extremely tolerable person, it takes something ridiculous to get my blood boiling (unless i'm in caffeine withdrawal) or i'll generally keep quiet.

For once, I truly believe the number of people with a stick up their ass is the lesser of the two sides on this occasion. But even one of them is more than enough.

Seriously, is there any other way to explain a group of people who bitch and moan about a piece of music they don't like but have obviously listened to more times than they could count on all their fingers and toes just so they can pick it apart and bitch and moan more about it?

Here's an idea for anyone who doesn't like Hans Zimmer, or any other composer just because he does blah, blah, blah (use your own words here) music, you know those things called titles, and descriptions that tell you IT'S A HANS ZIMMER (or enter appropriate composer's name) SCORE, here's an idea for you to consider... "Move the f*ck along... nothing to see here". Then you can not only save yourself from having to endure the indignity of listening to a musical score that you hate 27 f*cking times, and you can save us the indignity of having to hear you all bitch and moan a hell of a lot more times than that.

In other words: "You don't like it...? Then for your sakes and ours... LEAVE IT THE F*CK ALONE".

On a side (read: in need of sleep) note, because of a type, i just noticed that all a composer needs to do is have a T to become a composter. Happy gardening! (Yes, that is an intentional attempt to end the posting with a bit of odd humour).

Peace. Out.

... On a side (read: in need of sleep) note, because of a type, i just noticed that all a composer needs to do is have a T to become a composter. Happy gardening! (Yes, that is an intentional attempt to end the posting with a bit of odd humour).

Peace. Out.

Ah, come on, let them moan.

... Oh ! And I just noticed "Hans Zimmer" sounds (... and taste?) close to "hamburger" !

Good appe... bwwwarrrhhaar... slurp... eerrmm... tite.

:D

Haha, well, I can boast I haven't listened to it actually. But I can plan things twenty years in advance, no hurry. Though I've seen a "Green Lantern" dvd lately for nothing, and I was still not attracted. With time you just forget about these things. But I like posting in a fashioned thread. ;-)

Sheesh. Talk about moaning!

Good. Use your aggressive feelings. Let the hate flow through you. All of you.

Soooo...yeah...has anybody seen the movie enough times, been able to record the credits or have a fantastic enough of a memory to perhaps deconstruct the end credit sequence score-wise?

I might see it again this weekend and try to get the music on my phone so I can try editing it together at home myself. Just wondering if anybody else on here has.

And yes, the score was a little disappointing for me on the first listen. But, it has admittedly grown on me quite a bit now after multiple hearings. I remember back in '05 I had the same feelings about Batman Begins' score. And then eventually ended up loving the whole DK trilogy scores. Although, I am not so sure this will resonate with me sonically as much as those scores did.

Favorite cues: Look to the Stars/Launch/Arcade/General Zod & the entire Sketchbook cue.

Personally, as far as superhero movies go, I would rate the movie a 7 out of 10. The score...probably the same. Good, but not great by any means.

Soooo...yeah...has anybody seen the movie enough times, been able to record the credits or have a fantastic enough of a memory to perhaps deconstruct the end credit sequence score-wise?

I might see it again this weekend and try to get the music on my phone so I can try editing it together at home myself. Just wondering if anybody else on here has.

And yes, the score was a little disappointing for me on the first listen. But, it has admittedly grown on me quite a bit now after multiple hearings. I remember back in '05 I had the same feelings about Batman Begins' score. And then eventually ended up loving the whole DK trilogy scores. Although, I am not so sure this will resonate with me sonically as much as those scores did.

Favorite cues: Look to the Stars/Launch/Arcade/General Zod & the entire Sketchbook cue.

Personally, as far as superhero movies go, I would rate the movie a 7 out of 10. The score...probably the same. Good, but not great by any means.

But, is not the sketchbook cue essentially most of what has been heard on the tracks just before it, more or less? I did not seem much different to me?

A lot of it is very similar, and yes, the same basic themes are heard in the rest of the album. But the first 4 minutes alone on the Sketchbook cue is very much different. A guitar is used and a different composition of the theme is heard. I think it's basically like a long demo track essentially. But I feel as though it is different enough, at least for me, that it is worth listening to.

For those that did not really like the score, I suppose it is not worth their time.

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By the way, forgot to mention Terraforming is also a favorite of mine on the score.

Such an irony for a mediocre at best score to a pop icon character to receive this much attention but that's how it is...
"The music we deserved, but not the one we needed!!" Unless your a die hard Zimmerites who hails and praise anything with Zimmers' or RCP seal on it.

Such an irony for a mediocre at best score to a pop icon character to receive this much attention but that's how it is...


My attention goes to the discussion with some nice people in this thread. ;-) ... Only that.

... And it seems I haven't "deserved" that score, unless my brother runs at me with the CD in his hand shouting "hey bro, listen to that !"... Wich I doubt reading around.
But for sure the question itself has been treated long and large.

I think the funny thing in this thread is the difference of appoach with, to exagerate a bit, two extremes: 1/those who post tranquilly with a good mind, whatever the tone they give to their posts; 2/those who post with the belief there is some kind of "post war" in here, with deeply thought phylosophical argumentation ! lol Those later are the more reactive.

... When simple feelings spoken around when you are able to reckon them are just enough to understand what is that industrial product even though you wouldn't have heard a second of it.

:)

Just peace. (What Supermoan is meant to bring).

My attention goes to the discussion with some nice people in this thread. ;-) ... Only that.


I think the funny thing in this thread is the difference of appoach with, to exagerate a bit, two extremes: 1/those who post tranquilly with a good mind, whatever the tone they give to their posts; 2/those who post with the belief there is some kind of "post war" in here, with deeply thought phylosophical argumentation ! lol Those later are the more reactive.



The golden rule of forum discussion has always ever been: discuss the post not the poster. Anecdotal evidence would suggest that flame wars (as amusing as they sometimes may be) erupt when one or more posters contravene this rule and incite an argument about the poster(s) instead of the post.

The golden rule of forum discussion has always ever been: discuss the post not the poster. Anecdotal evidence would suggest that flame wars (as amusing as they sometimes may be) erupt when one or more posters contravene this rule and incite an argument about the poster(s) instead of the post.

... Agreed... Except when the post is totally ironical, wich you can only guess when you know the poster, or followed the discussion (what a bunch of dudes poping in haven't).

For only instance: when the melomaniac cat says "I LIKE IT !" a few pages back, I'm not taking litteraly the post content. I'm taking the cat's spirit.
Then your golden rule, as fair as it is, makes things a little too literal for some. ;)

Chronological Order
sorting not ok at 100% (if you have informations...)

Look To The Stars
DNA
Goodbye My Son
Ignition
Launch
I Will Find Him
Krypton's Last
Oil Rig
Are You Listening, Clark?
Sent Here For A Reason
I Have So Many Questions
Flight
Tornado
General Zod
You Led Us Here
Arcade
Terraforming
You Die Or I Do
If You Love These People
What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World?
This Is Clark Kent
Bonus Track : Man Of Steel (Hans' Original Sketchbook) Demo
Bonus Track : This Is Madness! Demo

Is it my imagination or have all Zimmer scores gone downhill after The Dark Knight?
I was expecting the music from Man Of Steel to be as epic as Batman Begins, which I consider to be one of the best scores ever made, just because it was a reboot of the entire franchise.
It's alright, but from what I'm hearing, I don't know if it's as bad as TDKR's score. Or worse.

Favourite songs off the album: What Are You Going To Do..., If You Love These People, Ignition and Arcade. The others sounded like ambience/noise (especially Oil Rig).

If there's one thing I've never enjoyed about Zimmer's official scores, it's how most of his songs sound like they're just getting started and end abruptly. It happened a lot with the "Crysis 2" soundtrack that he collaborated briefly on with Borislav Slavov (the primary composer) and something I really noticed when folk started uploading longer versions of the tracks that continued on in a manner that felt more like a natural progression than the actual official releases ever did (I.E., "SOS New York"). It's led me to believe he's never certain about where he wants to edit his songs at all.


Favourite songs off the album: What Are You Going To Do..., If You Love These People, Ignition and Arcade. The others sounded like ambience/noise (especially Oil Rig).

Those are pretty much my favorite tracks as well. Those and "This is Clark Kent" and "Flight".

Is it my imagination or have all Zimmer scores gone downhill after The Dark Knight?
I was expecting the music from Man Of Steel to be as epic as Batman Begins, which I consider to be one of the best scores ever made, just because it was a reboot of the entire franchise.
It's alright, but from what I'm hearing, I don't know if it's as bad as TDKR's score. Or worse.

Favourite songs off the album: What Are You Going To Do..., If You Love These People, Ignition and Arcade. The others sounded like ambience/noise (especially Oil Rig).


you may thank James Newton Howard for the epicness of Batman Begins

you may thank James Newton Howard for the epicness of Batman Begins

I wish JNH would sign on for other Nolan flicks like Inception, TDKR and the upcoming Interstellar. Would love to see both of them working together again on a score...

If there's one thing I've never enjoyed about Zimmer's official scores, it's how most of his songs sound like.

Songs?

you may thank James Newton Howard for the epicness of Batman Begins

Exactly.


... About the loudness war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war) thing on Zimmer's releases, my own take is that remote controlled stuff assemble too different material to master together. So, the most simple and cheap treatment is to boost everything off the roof for you don't notice the differences between tracks and stuff. That's what happens and if you prepare for yourself a more quiet mix for some sound restoration, all those differences become incredibly obvious...

Not mentionning the simple fact that Loudness War is so... cool ! :(

... About the loudness war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war) thing on Zimmer's releases, my own take is that remote controlled stuff assemble too different material to master together. So, the most simple and cheap treatment is to boost everything off the roof for you don't notice the differences between tracks and stuff. That's what happens and if you prepare for yourself a more quiet mix for some sound restoration, all those differences become incredibly obvious...



Unfortunately for a place like this one, most of us here are very much accustomed or familiar with a least a dozen or more composers--- their own styles, works and other trademarks when it comes to composing that we tend to easily recognize them for whoever they might have belong to and no matter how loud they boost the cues or music just to make them sound different, to most of us it's never gonna work you'll still recognize where it fails or becomes a pale version of one of their earlier works or as less brilliant pastiche of other composers masterpieces. And then again should Superdude had not been a major pop culture icon with no easily recognizable theme then this hotly contested thread may not have been in flight all this time with flying colors coming from both camps who either love the score or hated it, or from at least those who posted in this thread and bother to make their opinions be heard.

Thanks for the chronological order, darth2602. But where is "Earth"?

Is it my imagination or have all Zimmer scores gone downhill after The Dark Knight?
I was expecting the music from Man Of Steel to be as epic as Batman Begins, which I consider to be one of the best scores ever made, just because it was a reboot of the entire franchise.
It's alright, but from what I'm hearing, I don't know if it's as bad as TDKR's score. Or worse.

Favourite songs off the album: What Are You Going To Do..., If You Love These People, Ignition and Arcade. The others sounded like ambience/noise (especially Oil Rig).

Hans has gotten fat and happy literally and figuratively, hell the guy has a net worth of over 100 Million Dollars and frankly I think the creative spark has been extinguished.

... And then again should Superdude had not been a major pop culture icon with no easily recognizable theme then this hotly contested thread may not have been in flight all this time with flying colors coming from both camps who either love the score or hated it, or from at least those who posted in this thread and bother to make their opinions be heard.

Maybe the only occasion in your life you may thank Superdude then !... :D

Hans may be pissed off that has become the main thread for his new stuff. (No doubt he knows about this place... and don't tell he doesn't care).

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Hans has gotten fat and happy literally and figuratively, hell the guy has a net worth of over 100 Million Dollars and frankly I think the creative spark has been extinguished.

I'm not pushing the "like" buton on your post, only by respect and because I've been well educated. It's unpolite to show someone with your finger... Even when it sounds right.

Hans has gotten fat and happy literally and figuratively, hell the guy has a net worth of over 100 Million Dollars and frankly I think the creative spark has been extinguished.

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Now it just looks silly reading this thread.

Exactly.


... About the loudness war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war) thing on Zimmer's releases, my own take is that remote controlled stuff assemble too different material to master together. So, the most simple and cheap treatment is to boost everything off the roof for you don't notice the differences between tracks and stuff. That's what happens and if you prepare for yourself a more quiet mix for some sound restoration, all those differences become incredibly obvious...

Not mentionning the simple fact that Loudness War is so... cool ! :(

The sole purpose of remote control brickwalling their music is that it�s only to appeal to the iPod generation ( Kiddies.....that�s where the dollars are)..... gone are the days when music was listened to on decent gear.......

The sole purpose of remote control brickwalling their music is that it�s only to appeal to the iPod generation ( Kiddies.....that�s where the dollars are)..... gone are the days when music was listened to on decent gear.......

Yes, but the economy done on the care of the music and sound quality is also very consequent. What you say is just one more reason. Loudness War is not new, mate. Hence I gave you the Wikipedia link to its definition (very well exposed).


Now it just looks silly reading this thread.

... Only when you log in.

That I could agree with.

Zimmer doesn't release his music in conventional means at all.
He'll give us Dolby Pro Logic encoded files because he knows no one will download a few gigs of actual 5.1 discreet surround sound audio in WAV.
And had he put it in DTS-WAV no one would have proper decoders and end up with static.

Inception's Blu-ray was about the most sensible thing he can do.

Now he's screwing around with future technology that is only available to a much smaller fraction of a fraction of people.

He's sheltered, he didn't even follow up on the reception of his Blu-ray release for Inception.
Mind you, it's not like everyone that does reviews for DVD/BD or even the movie itself ever brings up the score or even the special features.

Blu-ray.com, High-def magazing, etc is riddled with reviews for the picture/sound quality itself and hardly boasts about the special features.
The reviewers only mention the soundtrack but don't really say anything besides its presence.
Hardly do we ever get to know the full technical specs. DTS? If DTS, what DTS? HD Master Audio? HD High Res? Express?
Is it TrueHD? Is it AC3???? :itsmystery:

I don't like reviews so much since they're so limited in opinions.

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.. Only when you log in.

I see only shit in the this thread now.
The endless back and forth.
It's not going anywhere.

Fuck off, now.

Thank you ! :)


... And more sincere thanks for giving your interesting point.

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Edit: ... Oh, and post reported btw, for the sake of peace.

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For fuck's sake