antovolk
04-19-2013, 12:54 AM
UPDATED 19/04/2013:

Well, like I did with The Dark Knight Rises Trailer 3 last year, from a digital cinema packaged version of the new Man of Steel trailer...

The new English DCP I got my hands on today has virtually no SFX, apart from the damn echo at the start... so it's completely lossless now for the FLAC version. :)

Download (v3 thanks metrotokyo!):
FLAC (https://mega.co.nz/#!vsYhmZ4K!D4jj5kdAiRaaZQSsZinxe0cPQ5pM9FjGuIRZZ36 F3IU)
MP3 (https://mega.co.nz/#!XwY13SwI!Y7tNSToEpXec10scnVax2VVuS6YTpr-3-kMyDJqDsgA)
(mirroring greatly appreciated)

Listen to it on SoundCloud (http://soundcloud.com/antovolk/hans-zimmer-man-of-steel)

Runtime: 3:00

Enjoy!

G
04-19-2013, 01:11 AM
Thank, antovolk.

it2007
04-19-2013, 01:49 AM
I personally think Zimmer nailed it. He went the exact opposite direction of Batman, which speaks volumes. The percussion buildups and the soft intro just are just what the doctor ordered. Quite possibly Zimmer's most optimistically triumphant sound in years. There's even a nod to the classic Williams theme in there. Absolutely cannot wait for this one.

On that note, anyone know what the difference is in the two editions of the soundtrack? Both are 2 discs, apparently, but what else comes with the deluxe?

xjapangau
04-19-2013, 01:53 AM
thx for the great work you did!!

slickflix
04-19-2013, 02:11 AM
nice...

scoremaniatic
04-19-2013, 03:12 AM
I know this comment that i`m going to make is going to be a shock for most, seeing that he is liked here so much.

Personally i`m very dissapointed that he got this assignment, i never like this individual with his electronic and sinthesysed oriented scores, it`s a real shame that new Directors in Hollywood seems to have the same tastes, and choose to go with him, or with any of his gang for his movies.

It is my personal opinion, don`t take it the wrong way, maybe it`s just me, i dislike him a lot and it`s a real real shame this situation, when John Williams it was the perfect man for this job, if not posible then Alan Silvestri, James Newton Howard, Christopher Young, John Debney or Patrick Doyle would be a better choice.

Anyway, i`m so sad :(

ribonucleic
04-19-2013, 03:32 AM
Thank you for the share. Here (http://mir.cr/T4CV0MZE) are mirrors for the FLAC.

Zimmer has his uses - though his influence on the art has been baleful. But this piece seems very much his standard product, I'm afraid. I'm not counting out the score yet, but my hopes have been tempered.

Since Snyder seems to be going for gravitas, I would have recommended Desplat.

gururu
04-19-2013, 03:42 AM
"So what? Big deal." Hans dusted of the major mode and took it out for a spin. But, hey, drums….

BBGrunt
04-19-2013, 04:55 AM
Many thanks, Antovolk. Tip: imagining the Buzzkill Brigade's posts being read by Terence Stamp makes them more fun.

tony555555
04-19-2013, 06:01 AM
o gosh~ u made it :colbert: yeah

DAKoftheOTA
04-19-2013, 06:16 AM
I know this comment that i`m going to make is going to be a shock for most, seeing that he is liked here so much.

Personally i`m very dissapointed that he got this assignment, i never like this individual with his electronic and sinthesysed oriented scores, it`s a real shame that new Directors in Hollywood seems to have the same tastes, and choose to go with him, or with any of his gang for his movies.

It is my personal opinion, don`t take it the wrong way, maybe it`s just me, i dislike him a lot and it`s a real real shame this situation, when John Williams it was the perfect man for this job, if not posible then Alan Silvestri, James Newton Howard, Christopher Young, John Debney or Patrick Doyle would be a better choice.

Anyway, i`m so sad :(


Zack Snyder is no new director. Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen, Legend of the Guardians (the owl movie). He's no newbie. And Christopher Nolan trusted Hans for his Dark Knight trilogy. Gore Verbinski trusted him with the PotC films (and even Rob Marshall for OST), Michael Bay for The Rock and Pearl Harbor, I could go on and on. And your opinion is your opinion, it is absolutely fine that you don't like him. But maybe Hans has quite an impressive resum� because he's one of the best. It seems all John Williams does these days is Speilberg films. Just my two cents

Plutopurto
04-19-2013, 07:30 AM
It is a great piece, but in my opinion (if this is indeed the new main theme?) it isn't going to be as instantly recognizable as the John Williams theme. Why, oh why does Zimmer always go the synth way? Why not use real strings instead of the synthetic ones and perhaps real brass instruments. The only real instruments I could hear was the piano. :(

JDow13
04-19-2013, 07:38 AM
Say what you want about Hans Zimmer...Like him or not...That's pretty much normal. But in my opinion (and really I'm not a dyed-in-the-wool Zimmer fan who thinks his work in the 80s and 90s is pure genius), Hans Zimmer revolutionized the scoring world.

He did!

Say what you want, but ever since the Rock his music has saturated the industry to the point of absurdity...

And now, fast forward almost 20 years later? It's practically a standard.


Like it or not, it is what it is...The synth has finally made its mark on the scoring world, and it's now practically mandatory.

What else can I tell you man? We now have about 7 years of dubstep arguably and partially thanks to this man's work...

Plutopurto
04-19-2013, 07:54 AM
Dubstep is the be-all and end-all of shite.

It is composers like John Williams who use full orchestras to realize their music, John Powell, Michael Giacchino, Danny Elfman and many more still use predominantly full symphonic orchestras.

StRuPiE
04-19-2013, 08:49 AM
It is composers like John Williams who use full orchestras to realize their music, John Powell, Michael Giacchino, Danny Elfman and many more still use predominantly full symphonic orchestras.

Well, these composers are all 'classically' trained musicians and know how to work the full package. Zimmer however, doesn't know shit about orchestration. He has his longtime friend and orchestrator Bruce Fowler, doing that job for him, collaborating on all movies Zimmer worked on since Bird on a Wire (1990). Wiiliams, Horner, Goldsmith, Giacchino,... all know (knew) how to direct a full symphonic orchestra, how to get the best out of it. Zimmer can only give directions to Fowler. Does that make him a worse musician? No, it does not, to me at least. And that's what I love about Zimmer, he creates from his feelings, knows how to put music on emotion/action, whatever is on screen, just by looking inside him and let feelings guide him. I understand completely why people diss him for that. But for me, that's the exact reason why his music works for film.

benuit
04-19-2013, 09:21 AM
Zack Snyder is no new director. Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen, Legend of the Guardians (the owl movie). He's no newbie. And Christopher Nolan trusted Hans for his Dark Knight trilogy. Gore Verbinski trusted him with the PotC films (and even Rob Marshall for OST), Michael Bay for The Rock and Pearl Harbor, I could go on and on. And your opinion is your opinion, it is absolutely fine that you don't like him. But maybe Hans has quite an impressive resum� because he's one of the best. It seems all John Williams does these days is Speilberg films. Just my two cents

Unfortunately, this is not entirely true. It was (POTC, Pearl Harbor, ...) Jerry Bruckheimer's decision. Michael Bay clearly favored Steve Jablonsky, Gore Verbinski tends to Alan Silvestri.
Well and Christopher Nolan? The best passages in the Dark Knight trilogy are those written by James Newton Howard.

It is probably simply a cost - benefit analysis. A good composer takes time and costs money. An orchestra? Hmm costs.
Quality is definitely not the criterion. Hans Zimmer is certainly good to find talents, but he is not a good composer.
Beyond the pale is the right word.

wimpel69
04-19-2013, 09:57 AM
It is my personal opinion, don`t take it the wrong way, maybe it`s just me, i dislike him a lot.(

Believe me, it's not just you. The piece in the trailer is completely forgettable and disgustingly mundane. A real composer should have handled that assignment.

Rocklegend2000
04-19-2013, 10:18 AM
Unfortunately, this is not entirely true. It was (POTC, Pearl Harbor, ...) Jerry Bruckheimer's decision. Michael Bay clearly favored Steve Jablonsky, Gore Verbinski tends to Alan Silvestri.
Well and Christopher Nolan? The best passages in the Dark Knight trilogy are those written by James Newton Howard.

It is probably simply a cost - benefit analysis. A good composer takes time and costs money. An orchestra? Hmm costs.
Quality is definitely not the criterion. Hans Zimmer is certainly good to find talents, but he is not a good composer.
Beyond the pale is the right word.


Well done couldn�t have put it better myself....well said.....

As for the music in the new MOS trailer...well it�s god damn awful.....but it�s what I expected from Zimmer......but hey the kids these days love and it�ll be declared an epic score and the greatest thing since slice bread....

iBug
04-19-2013, 10:38 AM
Unfortunately, this is not entirely true. It was (POTC, Pearl Harbor, ...) Jerry Bruckheimer's decision. Michael Bay clearly favored Steve Jablonsky, Gore Verbinski tends to Alan Silvestri.
Well and Christopher Nolan? The best passages in the Dark Knight trilogy are those written by James Newton Howard.

It is probably simply a cost - benefit analysis. A good composer takes time and costs money. An orchestra? Hmm costs.
Quality is definitely not the criterion. Hans Zimmer is certainly good to find talents, but he is not a good composer.
Beyond the pale is the right word.

Peacemaker, Lion King, Crimson Tide, Prince Of Egypt, and I can go on. Zimmer has tons of impressive scores on his resume. He's a great composer. Just that his body of work in the last decade doesn't have much to show for it. He has maybe 5 good recent scores, including the first Sherlock, but lately he's taking on way too many projects and isn't spending enough time on each of them.

Rocklegend2000
04-19-2013, 12:44 PM
Peacemaker, Lion King, Crimson Tide, Prince Of Egypt, and I can go on. Zimmer has tons of impressive scores on his resume. He's a great composer. Just that his body of work in the last decade doesn't have much to show for it. He has maybe 5 good recent scores, including the first Sherlock, but lately he's taking on way too many projects and isn't spending enough time on each of them.


All those score you listed are awful and could be composed by a monkey with the exception of Lion King.....Zimmer�s scores haven�t changed a bit in the last 20 years.....he still refuses to write for an orchestra....from what I�ve heard Zimmer doesn�t write the scores for the movies he works on...he writes the themes....His minions fill in the blanks under the guidance of Zimmer....

iBug
04-19-2013, 12:56 PM
All those score you listed are awful and could be composed by a monkey with the exception of Lion King.....Zimmer�s scores haven�t changed a bit in the last 20 years.....he still refuses to write for an orchestra....from what I�ve heard Zimmer doesn�t write the scores for the movies he works on...he writes the themes....His minions fill in the blanks under the guidance of Zimmer....

Well, at this point, there's nothing to argue since you can't be more wrong. All those scores are quite impressive, and are as good as Lion King. He does write for orchestra every now and then, and what you heard is not true. He has ghostwriters working on most projects, but Zimmer writes scores, not just themes, where ghostwriters can help with certain small themes are motives, but the score is always written by Zimmer in the end. And that is a rather recent thing, Zimmer didn't have anyone helping him when he wrote Crimson Tide or Peacemaker, which are both milestones in synthetic film scoring and have been copied to death, mostly by Zimmer himself. Prince of Egypt is melodically as diverse as Lion King with some brilliant orchestral passages. If you have not listened to Chariot Race, then you missed one of the best orchestral action tracks Zimmer has written ever.

Joseph
04-19-2013, 01:19 PM
Unfortunately, this is not entirely true. It was (POTC, Pearl Harbor, ...) Jerry Bruckheimer's decision. Michael Bay clearly favored Steve Jablonsky, Gore Verbinski tends to Alan Silvestri.
Well and Christopher Nolan? The best passages in the Dark Knight trilogy are those written by James Newton Howard.

While Zimmer was not Verbinski's first choice to score Pirates, the two have developed a close working relationship ever since. Not only did Zimmer score the other two movies Verbinski did for the Pirates series, but he was also brought on for Rango, and now he's on The Long Ranger. Clearly, Gore enjoys working with Hans.

benuit
04-19-2013, 01:35 PM
While Zimmer was not Verbinski's first choice to score Pirates, the two have developed a close working relationship ever since. Not only did Zimmer score the other two movies Verbinski did for the Pirates series, but he was also brought on for Rango, and now he's on The Long Ranger. Clearly, Gore enjoys working with Hans.

One question: And who produced these movies? Jerry Bruckheimer


Unfortunately, this is not entirely true. It was (POTC, Pearl Harbor, ...) Jerry Bruckheimer's decision.

StRuPiE
04-19-2013, 01:47 PM
While Zimmer was not Verbinski's first choice to score Pirates, the two have developed a close working relationship ever since. Not only did Zimmer score the other two movies Verbinski did for the Pirates series, but he was also brought on for Rango, and now he's on The Long Ranger. Clearly, Gore enjoys working with Hans.

AND Spielberg has always stated that he greatly enjoys Zimmers music and probably would be using him in future films would Williams ever retire/finds his resting place. And this comes from one of the best directors so Zimmer most be doing something right to impress.

As for MoS, I must admit, I'm not convinced... like many of you, yet. But I'm sure it will fit the movie, as it always does with his music.

Everan Shepard
04-19-2013, 02:32 PM
I remember the time when you enjoyed something and enjoy it, or if you didn't like it, you'd move on without debating too much.

Ahhh, good times.

ribonucleic
04-19-2013, 03:36 PM
Spielberg has always stated that he greatly enjoys Zimmers music and probably would be using him in future films would Williams ever retire/finds his resting place.

This is too horrible for me to accept without proof and a cursory Googling found none. Can you link to such a statement?

Assuming it's true (and when have you ever lied to me?), could it just be lip service to a major Dreamworks collaborator?

Keep in mind that Spielberg would be speaking from an unimaginably sheltered perspective. For his entire 40 year career, he's been able to use the greatest living composer. (And the one time he didn't, 30 years ago, it was with the second greatest!) So he hasn't had to shop around.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the end of Williams's career marked the end of his own. He's in his late 60s now. His immortality is insured. [Though nothing he's made in the last 15 years will be mentioned in his obituaries.] He's richer than God. He's got his Oscar. And producer activities would be more than enough to keep him busy and feeling important.

And while we're on the subject of directors not always getting their first choices, I always wondered how Branagh was able to get Patrick Doyle onto Thor. I can imagine that he might refuse to work without him. But what clout does Branagh have? Was Marvel so eager for the respectability of his name that they would give him carte blanche with the score?

Joseph
04-19-2013, 03:48 PM
One question: And who produced these movies? Jerry Bruckheimer

Jerry Bruckheimer did not produce Rango. He also didn't produce "The Weather Man", another post-Pirates Verbinski movie that he collaborated with Hans Zimmer on. Oh, wait a minute, what is this I see on IMDb? "The Ring"? Directed by Gore Verbinski. No producer credit for Jerry Bruckheimer. And who composed the score? Why... Hans! And a whole year before Pirates! So Gore Verbinski has actually had more collaborations with Hans Zimmer than with Alan Silvestri. Not to mention that when you direct a movie that makes as much money as "Curse of the Black Pearl", the director typically get carte blanche. (For example: When "Iron Man" became a surprise hit, Jon Favreau got to bring in his original first choice, John Debney, to score the sequel.)

It seems you just can't wrap your mind around the notion that maybe directors commission a Hans Zimmer score because they, y'know, like his music.

Rocklegend2000
04-19-2013, 03:55 PM
This is too horrible for me to accept without proof and a cursory Googling found none. Can you link to such a statement?

Assuming it's true (and when have you ever lied to me?), could it just be lip service to a major Dreamworks collaborator?

Keep in mind that Spielberg would be speaking from an unimaginably sheltered perspective. For his entire 40 year career, he's been able to use the greatest living composer. (And the one time he didn't, 30 years ago, it was with the second greatest!) So he hasn't had to shop around.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the end of Williams's career marked the end of his own. He's in his late 60s now. His immortality is insured. [Though nothing he's made in the last 15 years will be mentioned in his obituaries.] He's richer than God. He's got his Oscar. And producer activities would be more than enough to keep him busy and feeling important.

And while we're on the subject of directors not always getting their first choices, I always wondered how Branagh was able to get Patrick Doyle onto Thor. I can imagine that he might refuse to work without him. But what clout does Branagh have? Was Marvel so eager for the respectability of his name that they would give him carte blanche with the score?


well if you listen to the Score from Thor Marvel made sure Doyle comply to the Zimmer way ;( and the score imo in lesser for it.....I�m more surprised that Marvel allowed Brian Tyler to go full on Orchestra on Iron Man 3

ribonucleic
04-19-2013, 04:02 PM
There are not many places where not only does everyone know who Hans Zimmer is but where his merits (or lack of same) will provoke passionate debate.

Group hug!

comicbookguy90
04-19-2013, 04:05 PM
Thanks a bunch antovolk! It's a great rip, I love it. The music is pretty awesome!

GrannyGooz
04-19-2013, 04:08 PM
Whats the big fuzz over this thread? This ain't even a clean sample of what should be and btw after having the chance to listen to the Trailer if that's the music for this re imagining of Supes well, honestly I'm not impressed. But to be fair I would reserve my full opinion till I heard the rest of the his music and I hope it's not a hybrid of something that would remind me of Batman and not Superman. Fingers crossed.

benuit
04-19-2013, 04:16 PM
Jerry Bruckheimer did not produce Rango. He also didn't produce "The Weather Man", another post-Pirates Verbinski movie that he collaborated with Hans Zimmer on. Oh, wait a minute, what is this I see on IMDb? "The Ring"? Directed by Gore Verbinski. No producer credit for Jerry Bruckheimer. And who composed the score? Why... Hans! And a whole year before Pirates! So Gore Verbinski has actually had more collaborations with Hans Zimmer than with Alan Silvestri. Not to mention that when you direct a movie that makes as much money as "Curse of the Black Pearl", the director typically get carte blanche. (For example: When "Iron Man" became a surprise hit, Jon Favreau got to bring in his original first choice, John Debney, to score the sequel.)

It seems you just can't wrap your mind around the notion that maybe directors commission a Hans Zimmer score because they, y'know, like his music.

That was not the point of the discussion. To me it does not matter which director which composers favored and why. Please read my first comment.
I'm not going to get involved here on any pointless discussions of some HZ groupies. Bad music is bad music, no matter by whom. Point.

Enjoy the music or not. The universe does not care.

Rocklegend2000
04-19-2013, 04:23 PM
That was not the point of the discussion. To me it does not matter which director which composers favored and why. Please read my first comment.
I'm not going to get involved here on any pointless discussions of some HZ groupies. Bad music is bad music, no matter by whom. Point.

Enjoy the music or not. The universe does not care.

Hear,Hear....again well said

Kadron
04-19-2013, 04:31 PM
That was not the point of the discussion. To me it does not matter which director which composers favored and why. Please read my first comment.
I'm not going to get involved here on any pointless discussions of some HZ groupies. Bad music is bad music, no matter by whom. Point.

Enjoy the music or not. The universe does not care.

Yes because your opinion on which music is bad is what decided which music is bad, right?

mgm5215
04-19-2013, 04:40 PM
It's clearly obvious that the music from the trailer is a mock-up, a suite that Zimmer created for the trailer and not related to the final score. Comments of the people who saw it says that the music is slow and emotional in some moments, and sweeping and epic in others.

About the "John Williams was the right man for the job", that was 30 years ago. The Superman that became known with Richard Donner's films was, like Williams mentioned, fun, theatrical, and not meant to be serious. No matter how iconic his Superman theme is, it's attached to Richard Donner's Superman. Nolan and Snyder's Superman is serious and realistic, and Williams's theme doesn't fit, especially since that it's a complete reboot of the franchise, and a new take on the original comics.

I think that Zimmer wrote a theme that feels heroic, but not bombastic and cheesy. A theme that it's not only supposed to enhance Superman's new heroics, but also, his emotional side.

And Superman, like Batman and Spider-Man, already had new themes written in several animated movies of the character. Unfortunely, most of film (and film music) fans are narrow minded old farts who think they're still living in the 70's.

benuit
04-19-2013, 04:58 PM
It's clearly obvious that the music from the trailer is a mock-up, a suite that Zimmer created for the trailer and not related to the final score. Comments of the people who saw it says that the music is slow and emotional in some moments, and sweeping and epic in others.

About the "John Williams was the right man for the job", that was 30 years ago. The Superman that became known with Richard Donner's films was, like Williams mentioned, fun, theatrical, and not meant to be serious. No matter how iconic his Superman theme is, it's attached to Richard Donner's Superman. Nolan and Snyder's Superman is serious and realistic, and Williams's theme doesn't fit, especially since that it's a complete reboot of the franchise, and a new take on the original comics.

I think that Zimmer wrote a theme that feels heroic, but not bombastic and cheesy. A theme that it's not only supposed to enhance Superman's new heroics, but also, his emotional side.

And Superman, like Batman and Spider-Man, already had new themes written in several animated movies of the character.

Also, in my opinion, John Williams would have been the wrong choice for this movie. His score is somewhat "fallen out of time."
I found John Ottman's Music for "Superman Returns" fantastic, modern, wild and yet as "a return home".

A little more courage would certainly not hurt. Why not Elliot Goldenthal, Alexandre Desplat or Christopher Young?

Rocklegend2000
04-19-2013, 05:06 PM
It's clearly obvious that the music from the trailer is a mock-up, a suite that Zimmer created for the trailer and not related to the final score. Comments of the people who saw it says that the music is slow and emotional in some moments, and sweeping and epic in others.

About the "John Williams was the right man for the job", that was 30 years ago. The Superman that became known with Richard Donner's films was, like Williams mentioned, fun, theatrical, and not meant to be serious. No matter how iconic his Superman theme is, it's attached to Richard Donner's Superman. Nolan and Snyder's Superman is serious and realistic, and Williams's theme doesn't fit, especially since that it's a complete reboot of the franchise, and a new take on the original comics.

I think that Zimmer wrote a theme that feels heroic, but not bombastic and cheesy. A theme that it's not only supposed to enhance Superman's new heroics, but also, his emotional side.

And Superman, like Batman and Spider-Man, already had new themes written in several animated movies of the character. Unfortunely, most of film (and film music) fans are narrow minded old farts who think they're still living in the 70's.

The music heard in the trailer ain�t a mock-up....it�s from the actual score....Although I believe the Brass are synths but have been replaced by real Brass (I hope).......also I believe that�s Supermans theme we hear in the trailer.....

And for what it�s worth....this movie doesn�t look anymore serious than Donner�s version esp Donner�s version of Zod who was murdering people left right and center in the white house in Superman 2 (Donner Version).....
The only seriousness I can find in MOS is that Superman might have Daddy issues ;)

In saying that I�m really looking forward to The Man Of Steel

Rocklegend2000
04-19-2013, 05:08 PM
Also, in my opinion, John Williams would have been the wrong choice for this movie. His score is somewhat "fallen out of time."
I found John Ottman's Music for "Superman Returns" fantastic, modern, wild and yet as "a return home".

A little more courage would certainly not hurt. Why not Elliot Goldenthal, Alexandre Desplat or Christopher Young?

Or Don Davis.....but it would never happen especially with Chris Nolan as Producer....that guy hates music in Films.....hence why the Music in the Batman movies by Zimmer were shite.....

benuit
04-19-2013, 05:27 PM
Or Don Davis.....but it would never happen especially with Chris Nolan as Producer....that guy hates music in Films.....hence why the Music in the Batman movies by Zimmer were shite.....

unfortunately true ...

antovolk
04-19-2013, 05:56 PM
Got my hands on the English 5.1 LPCM, which makes for a MUCH better rip...uploading new links...

GrannyGooz
04-19-2013, 06:08 PM
I'm not going to get involved here on any pointless discussions of some HZ groupies. Bad music is bad music, no matter by whom. Point.

Enjoy the music or not. The universe does not care.

Honest and brutal. Truth hurts. Ouch! LoL

mgm5215
04-19-2013, 06:10 PM
Or Don Davis.....but it would never happen especially with Chris Nolan as Producer....that guy hates music in Films.....hence why the Music in the Batman movies by Zimmer were shite.....

Even James Newton Howard's orchestral and thematic contributions? Please. If Nolan hates music in his films, then he wouldn't bother to hire a composer to score them. He wouldn't bother to write notes in the CD booklets talk about the music, the composer, etc. And certainly, he wouldn't have bothering to ask Zimmer to write a choral theme for Bane, performed with people from all the world, to make them being part of the music.

antovolk
04-19-2013, 06:10 PM
OP UPDATED WITH BETTER QUALITY (and proper full FLAC for the entire duration) RIP FROM NEW ENGLISH SOURCE!!!

Also don't know if already posted but a comment from Zimmer on another forum -


The music is actually from the score. A little bit recut - the tune is actually a bit longer in it's development. What you think of as synth sounds are 8 pedal steel guitars. Best organic pad sound yet The perc is the session I did at WB and Fox with 15 drummers:
JR Robinson
Jason Bonham
Josh Freese
Pharrell Williams
Danny Carey
Satnam Ramgotra
Toss Panos
Jim Keltner
Curt Bisquera
Trevor Lawrence Jr
Matt Chamberlain
Ryeland Allison
Sheila E
Bernie Dresel
Vinnie Colaiuta
with the amazing JunkieXL conducting (There is something to be said to get a drummer who is a star of EDM and knows how to get a crowd of twohundred thousand people dancing at his shows to liontame and energise this lot!)
But of course the real plus is the lack of sound effects...which gets us back to that other thread about dubbing music loudly
I'm glad you liked it!
-Hz-

http://www.vi-control.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3695752#3695752

GrannyGooz
04-19-2013, 06:23 PM
well if you listen to the Score from Thor Marvel made sure Doyle comply to the Zimmer way ;( and the score imo in lesser for it.....I�m more surprised that Marvel allowed Brian Tyler to go full on Orchestra on Iron Man 3

This is a bit off. Zimmer is not the sole or the first to introduced and played with score utilizing synthesizers and the likes. I don't know but I haven't heard of Zimmer in the Thor's score by Doyle. It's a bit insulting to say the least and I would take any Patrick Doyle score anytime of the day post Gladiator Zimmer score.

gururu
04-19-2013, 06:45 PM
No matter how iconic his Superman theme is, it's attached to Richard Donner's Superman. Nolan and Snyder's Superman is serious and realistic, and Williams's theme doesn't fit, especially since that it's a complete reboot of the franchise, and a new take on the original comics.

For the sake of your long term emotional development � but more importantly for the sake of any individual or individuals with whom you will one day be intimate � I would strongly suggest you reevaluate your usage of the adjectives "serious" and "realistic" when comparing the merits of two children's films that recount the exploits of a humanoid who can defy the laws of physics.

wimpel69
04-19-2013, 06:59 PM
If Nolan hates music in his films, then he wouldn't bother to hire a composer to score them.

He does hate music in his films. That's why he keeps hiring Hans Zimmer.

wimpel69
04-19-2013, 07:09 PM
While Zimmer was not Verbinski's first choice to score Pirates, the two have developed a close working relationship ever since.

Jerry Bruckheimer, a tasteless piece of dreck who never produced a worthwhile film in his life, made those films. Case closed.

Everan Shepard
04-19-2013, 07:55 PM
No need to be aggressive guys, it's fine if you don't like Zimmer for whatever reason, just don't act like you're acting, it's disgraceful.

talent
04-19-2013, 08:09 PM
Is it me or does this trailer have a hint of the Smallville TV score in it?

dkj
04-19-2013, 08:24 PM
He does hate music in his films. That's why he keeps hiring Hans Zimmer.

Nonsense.

Inception without the score. I can't even get my head around that one.

Joseph
04-19-2013, 08:31 PM
Even James Newton Howard's orchestral and thematic contributions? Please. If Nolan hates music in his films, then he wouldn't bother to hire a composer to score them. He wouldn't bother to write notes in the CD booklets talk about the music, the composer, etc. And certainly, he wouldn't have bothering to ask Zimmer to write a choral theme for Bane, performed with people from all the world, to make them being part of the music.

Not to mention that his Batman movies never had any of those dreadful "music inspired by the movie" soundtrack albums. Well, okay, Batman Forever's pop album was off the hook, but most of the time those things suck and don't really have anything to do with the movie!

Joseph
04-19-2013, 08:35 PM
Jerry Bruckheimer, a tasteless piece of dreck who never produced a worthwhile film in his life, made those films. Case closed.

Michael Mann's "Thief". Watch it. It's good shit.

HansCastorpMM
04-19-2013, 08:50 PM
well just my 2 cents...i don't understand why so many of you regard John Williams as an icon, actually. Ok, the man makes perfect themes, I agree, you won't find any better. But that's about it...except themes, i found it hard to listen to one of his scores in its entirety...they sound boring, not many of those on my 160 GB ipod. i can't establish an emotional connection to his music, not like i can for, let's say, Newton Howard or Horner, much better composers than Williams IMO. And, yes, Zimmer too. Call him however you want, but, for me, thin red line and last samurai are the two best movies scores from the over 1000 i've listened to.

scoremaniatic
04-19-2013, 10:21 PM
Well it was my personal opinion, i respect the people who do like him, like i respect people who like Justin Bieber, it is only a matter of taste, it was never my intention to make so much fuzz about it, still it is nice to know that i`m not the only one who don`t like this guy and all his buddies, i was feeling that i was a Martian or something, but benuit is wright bad music is bad music here and in Mars ...

metrotokyo
04-19-2013, 10:36 PM
well i'm not going to get into the Zimmer argument, but that was the best trailer i've seen this year. however, all of the amplitude changes in the original file were distractingly annoying, so i fixed it. thanks antovolk for the rip.

V2 FLAC (https://mega.co.nz/#!vsYhmZ4K!D4jj5kdAiRaaZQSsZinxe0cPQ5pM9FjGuIRZZ36 F3IU)

V2 MP3 (https://mega.co.nz/#!XwY13SwI!Y7tNSToEpXec10scnVax2VVuS6YTpr-3-kMyDJqDsgA)

for those who care, enjoy it.

StRuPiE
04-19-2013, 10:37 PM
This is too horrible for me to accept without proof and a cursory Googling found none. Can you link to such a statement?

source: IMDB (Hans Zimmer - Biography (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001877/bio))

One of his biggest fans (after first hearing Crimson Tide) is director and producer Steven Spielberg, whose friendship and loyalty toward John Williams is perhaps the only reason why Zimmer has not become a regular for Spielberg-directed films.

I also seem to remember an interview with Spielberg, where he talks about Zimmer and how he admires his work. Can't remember where I've seen it though...

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
04-19-2013, 10:40 PM
Well I have my opinions too.

antovolk
04-19-2013, 10:41 PM
Thank you Metrotokyo! :D

OP/SoundCloud link updated accordingly :)

k_bacon
04-19-2013, 10:46 PM
My problem with Zimmer is that his sound is extremely limited. The same two-note string ostinatos all the way, it's got to a point where I am embarassed to listen to any of the Nolan Batman scores. Now that would not be so bad if he hadn't spawned a whole plethora of scores and composers reproducing (or being forced to rreproduce) the exact same sound for about 75% percent of today's blockbusters. I also think that his "style" is more or less just an excuse for lazy and unimaginative composing. I remember when Zimmer bullshitted his way through interviews by selling his one-note Joker "theme" as a creative composition... I know the "Zimmer/Williams" comparison is a) tired and b) inappropriate, but I wonder if most people still know what constitutes a real musical theme.

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
04-19-2013, 10:52 PM
Dawn of the Dead

Is his best film, imo.
He was really experimenting with things. There wasn't as much slow motion in that film as there was in Watchmen or Sucker Punch.
He really allowed much more to happen and convey the message without going Inception on every scene.

But it's usually Tyler Bates and Zack Snyder.
I was surprised to find out it was Zimmer and Snyder until I remembered that it was Nolan and Snyder.

pottyaboutpotter1
04-19-2013, 10:55 PM
I personally think Zimmer nailed it. He went the exact opposite direction of Batman, which speaks volumes. The percussion buildups and the soft intro just are just what the doctor ordered. Quite possibly Zimmer's most optimistically triumphant sound in years. There's even a nod to the classic Williams theme in there. Absolutely cannot wait for this one.

On that note, anyone know what the difference is in the two editions of the soundtrack? Both are 2 discs, apparently, but what else comes with the deluxe?

It may be the same as The Hobbit soundtrack. Two discs for both but the Deluxe has longer tracks and Bonus Tracks. If this is the new standard for Warner Bros soundtrakc releases I couldn't be happier.

JDow13
04-19-2013, 11:10 PM
Honestly? if you listen to the Man of Steel trailer theme....

Again...As if this really needs to be addressed:

It's just the At World's End theme from Pirates with piano and a little re-tooling...

Think of the basic theme for At World's End...Did you catch it yet? That's THREE notes you're really hearing there.

me? I love that theme...But I cant deny it sounds identical to it.

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
04-19-2013, 11:37 PM
Michael Mann's "Thief". Watch it. It's good shit.

I like "Heat" better.
The shootout scene on a 5.1 system. :awsm:

Faleel
04-19-2013, 11:45 PM
Zimmer in Major Mode *Yawwwwn*

JHFan
04-19-2013, 11:57 PM
Nonsense.

Inception without the score. I can't even get my head around that one.

Would be a better movie. I despised the score in it. Still don't get why so many drool over it.

One thing I've learned lurking around film music-based boards is that Zimmer and his Remote Control bots have the most die-hard fans anyone is capable of attaining, I'll give them that.

Outside of the Batman films and The Simpsons Movie, I can't call myself one of them.

99% of the major shares here are from those composers and that's why I don't give two shits about 99% of them. Howard's presence was indeed missed on "Rises", which is a pale, cheap imitation of the superior scores for the first two Batman films. Beyond his own thematic contributions, he also made certain that there was a real orchestra underneath all the synthesized brass and strings. To call this trailer music (which I've not downloaded, I just watched the trailer itself) mock-up sounding isn't an insult because that's just what Zimmer's music sounds like and we all know that already. Many people thought the same of Rises and that's why so many attempts to make the "Return of the Batman" sequence are floating around, because the score was replaced in the film with pieces from the first two.

As for the 'old farts still living in the 70s', well at least composers in the 70s had to use their brains to write music and not computers. Old fart 70s-era music sounds like it was written by a person. With intelligence (and not artificial intelligence). With notes written on paper. Performed by musicians.

Guess I'm stuck in the old days, and I don't even like John Williams (and can't stand his Superman theme at all).

It's very telling that a list of 15 drummers made up of people like Pharrell Phucking Williams was put out there. Creates a lot of buzz to know some hip-hop dickhead is 'performing' on a Superman score. Doesn't say anything about the music, just makes for some lame hype.

JHFan
04-20-2013, 12:07 AM
My problem with Zimmer is that his sound is extremely limited. The same two-note string ostinatos all the way, it's got to a point where I am embarassed to listen to any of the Nolan Batman scores. Now that would not be so bad if he hadn't spawned a whole plethora of scores and composers reproducing (or being forced to rreproduce) the exact same sound for about 75% percent of today's blockbusters. I also think that his "style" is more or less just an excuse for lazy and unimaginative composing. I remember when Zimmer bullshitted his way through interviews by selling his one-note Joker "theme" as a creative composition... I know the "Zimmer/Williams" comparison is a) tired and b) inappropriate, but I wonder if most people still know what constitutes a real musical theme.

Bolded emphasis quoted for truth.

Zimmer is more of a salesman and celebrity than a composer, and in addition to the Joker theme stuff (and his complete and utter dogshit line of saying Danny Elfman's Batman theme was "jolly", for Rises he said he was finally going to 'unleash' his full Batman theme after only hearing a build up to it in the first two films, claiming Batman hadn't earned it yet. Of course he never delivered on that but he sure made it sound like something to anticipate.

As for who knows what makes for a genuine theme, it's an interesting question. I've never really considered any of the Nolan Batman films to have obvious themes, instead more atmospheric ideas. The characters have "sounds" rather than "themes" if that makes sense.

joene
04-20-2013, 12:20 AM
Awesome! Im a big fan of Hans Zimmer, so I really enjoy this!

p0llux
04-20-2013, 01:28 AM
The trailer was excellent and the music was a good accompaniment. Excited to hear what Zimmer has to bring to the table.

In regard to the Williams vs Zimmer debate:

Zimmer is an atmospheric composer. Williams is a thematic composer.

Zimmer uses synthetic/electronic sounds mixed with strings and brass. Williams uses almost exclusively a symphony orchestra.

Zimmer writes simple and effective music. Williams writes complex and effective music. Williams can also do simple and effective. What's important here is that they both write effective music for film. However, only one composer here can write music that requires a high level of technique to perform.

Who's better? Well, it's purely subjective. However, composing for a symphony orchestra is often regarded as the epitome of musical expression. I have yet to hear Zimmer compose for this medium. So I'm going to give the slight edge to Williams because he's able to write virtuoso music for the orchestra. I still enjoy Zimmer's music tho.


Also, in my opinion, John Williams would have been the wrong choice for this movie. His score is somewhat "fallen out of time."
I found John Ottman's Music for "Superman Returns" fantastic, modern, wild and yet as "a return home".

A little more courage would certainly not hurt. Why not Elliot Goldenthal, Alexandre Desplat or Christopher Young?

Why do people seem to think that Williams is unable to deliver an acceptable score for a modern blockbuster film such as Man of Steel? Williams is a chameleon composer that can adapt to whatever's on screen and demands from the director. It's extremely ignorant to say that his score has "fallen out of time". He does not write every score the same way.

GrannyGooz
04-20-2013, 03:12 AM
JHFan - Zimmer is more of a salesman and celebrity than a composer, and in addition to the Joker theme stuff (and his complete and utter dogshit line of saying Danny Elfman's Batman theme was "jolly", for Rises he said he was finally going to 'unleash' his full Batman theme after only hearing a build up to it in the first two films, claiming Batman hadn't earned it yet. Of course he never delivered on that but he sure made it sound like something to anticipate.

As for who knows what makes for a genuine theme, it's an interesting question. I've never really considered any of the Nolan Batman films to have obvious themes, instead more atmospheric ideas. The characters have "sounds" rather than "themes" if that makes sense.

Agreed!


pollux - Why do people seem to think that Williams is unable to deliver an acceptable score for a modern blockbuster film such as Man of Steel? Williams is a chameleon composer that can adapt to whatever's on screen and demands from the director. It's extremely ignorant to say that his score has "fallen out of time". He does not write every score the same way.

Glad someone gave this a thought, just what I had in mind so I agree!

And the best part about Shrine is that we have people who speaks their mind boldly and is not afraid to let their voices be heard and not just be a member of the Zimmer-bandwagon.

p0llux
04-20-2013, 03:15 AM
well just my 2 cents...i don't understand why so many of you regard John Williams as an icon, actually. Ok, the man makes perfect themes, I agree, you won't find any better. But that's about it...except themes, i found it hard to listen to one of his scores in its entirety...they sound boring, not many of those on my 160 GB ipod. i can't establish an emotional connection to his music, not like i can for, let's say, Newton Howard or Horner, much better composers than Williams IMO. And, yes, Zimmer too. Call him however you want, but, for me, thin red line and last samurai are the two best movies scores from the over 1000 i've listened to.

As a musician, I can't understand why you don't have an emotional connection to Williams' music. Horner and Williams compose in the same vein. If you enjoy Horner, then you should have no problem with Williams. It saddens me as a musician that you have these kinds of opinions on one of the greatest composer of our time. I wish I could educate you on music so you can appreciate how brilliantly Williams orchestrates and composes music.

JHFan
04-20-2013, 03:18 AM
As a musician, I can't understand why you don't have an emotional connection to Williams' music. Horner and Williams compose in the same vein. If you enjoy Horner, then you should have no problem with Williams. It saddens me as a musician that you have these kinds of opinions on one of the greatest composer of our time. I wish I could educate you on music so you can appreciate how brilliantly Williams orchestrates and composes music.

I'm perhaps Horner's biggest fan around, and I do not enjoy and I have never had any emotional connection to Williams' music. They don't compose in the same vein as far as I'm concerned. They are very different composers with very different styles. I connected very profoundly with Horner's music, but Williams has always left me cold.

People tend to lump Horner and Zimmer together, though they have nothing musically in common. The only thing they have in common is that when people don't like their music, it's not that they don't like it, rather that people REALLY hate it. They just have a punching bag commonality.

GrannyGooz
04-20-2013, 03:31 AM
Both Williams and Horner had their great scores to their sleeves but like most or all composers they also have the not so inspiring ones and to simplify it to a lay mans terms "Boring" scores I could go on for hours to lists them but that won't be necessary after all nobody is perfect.




People tend to lump Horner and Zimmer together, though they have nothing musically in common. The only thing they have in common is that when people don't like their music, it's not that they don't like it, rather that people REALLY hate it. They just have a punching bag commonality.

I think so too.

Faleel
04-20-2013, 03:36 AM
I'm perhaps Horner's biggest fan around, and I do not enjoy and I have never had any emotional connection to Williams' music. They don't compose in the same vein as far as I'm concerned.


There is a difference between composing in the same vein, and sounding exactly the same.

I do think there is a little something in each composer, that makes them sound unique, even if they are writing in a similar style as each other.

JDow13
04-20-2013, 04:23 AM
FYI I could have sworn Zimmer DID create a hero theme for Batman in the last film...

But not only was it more underwhelming than the theme he did in part 2, again it's a third ascending note strikingly reminiscent of the At World's End theme.

You didn't hear it in the movie cuz they cut it from the film, but if you heard the Bruce Wayne suite, there it was - 4 minutes of THE TRUE BATMAN THEME in all its synthy GLORY....I actually liked it and wish he used it in the film, but they went for a rehash of the ending theme for the Dark Knight instead, which was...meh. Tolerable, but meh.

That was the only time I ever preferred the demo recording pieces over the final product...

JHFan
04-20-2013, 04:42 AM
There is a difference between composing in the same vein, and sounding exactly the same.

I do think there is a little something in each composer, that makes them sound unique, even if they are writing in a similar style as each other.

I obviously know that, and I maintain that no, they don't sound alike and they don't have a very similar style, beyond the fact that they (as most composers) go for a full orchestra and have very melodic music. If they did have a similar style or approach, maybe I would have a better response to Williams instead of one that is basically a polar opposite to Horner. It's just not my thing. Nothing wrong with it, it's just not something that resonates with me.

Zimmer is a very unusual composer to me, because it's as if he's three different people, and one of them gets a movie at a time:

1. The composer who writes for soloists and a real orchestra for lighter films like "As Good As It Gets" or "The Simpsons" - the composer who is basically in the same vein (to keep that phrase going) as other composers who write more traditional melodic and orchestral fare

2. The keyboard / electronica guy who hammers out 'Power Anthems' and endless rhythms over action movies to the point of nauseam (though this is the side of him that got him his fans it seems, and this is the side that gets copied in dozens of other action movies)

3. The 'Overproducer' / 'Overseer' who crafts maybe one or two themes and farms the rest out to others who imitate his style because he's either too busy to score a movie himself or...well who knows why he does that compose-by-committee thing.

Bioscope
04-20-2013, 05:38 AM
I miss the Zimmer of BACKDRAFT, LION KING etc. He is fully capable of themes. Nolan is very influencial in that his films' composers all wrote music that leaned more towards ambience (THE PRESTIGE).

I just hope that he realizes that MAN OF STEEL requires some hopeful Americana as this film may have pseudo-religious tones. Certainly, there is an apocalyptic scene according to the trailer and BATMAN CHASED just won't work here.

Petros
04-20-2013, 08:43 AM
Thanks!

HansCastorpMM
04-20-2013, 09:37 AM
As a musician, I can't understand why you don't have an emotional connection to Williams' music. Horner and Williams compose in the same vein. If you enjoy Horner, then you should have no problem with Williams. It saddens me as a musician that you have these kinds of opinions on one of the greatest composer of our time. I wish I could educate you on music so you can appreciate how brilliantly Williams orchestrates and composes music.


It is true that we might hear and feel things differently, since I am just a listener, amateur, and not a musician. I don't have any training in this. but Horner cand give me chills and raise the hairs on the back of my head in almost every score he writes, while Williams, except some moments on the Star Wars scores and his collaborations with Perlman or Yo Yo Ma on various scores, can't do that. i just don't feel connected to his music. For me, Williams could never come close to writing something as deep, intense, emotional, harrowing as the themes from Braveheart, for example...

Kadron
04-20-2013, 10:03 AM
I like Williams myself

but sometimes he can just be too much
(In War Horse I constantly felt that his music was just telling me how to feel)

Amanda
04-20-2013, 10:34 AM
I like Horner and Williams about the same, but in different ways. He and Horner do NOT write similar ways though. The signature of Williams is that he writes themes for every character. Liet motifs (?) I think it's called, similar to opera. He takes these themes and develops and intertwines them as the story progresses. Adding layers and depth. Horner does not work that way. Goldsmith did though. I think that we cannot judge the whole score of Man of Steel based on a short snippet for the trailer. And also keep in mind that Zimmer's job is to create a score that works within the film first, as opposed to a pleasing stand alone album. That is the way his work is judged by the business. If we do not like the current trend of scoring, it is due largely to the style of film making. Composers have to adapt to newer film styles, and to director's wishes. After all, that is how they get payed.

Bioscope
04-20-2013, 10:56 AM
True, true. Williams is great for identifying characters and aural storytelling, while Horner plucks at the heartstrings. Even Horner's action scoring seems to plead, while Williams' action cues lean towards motion. Ok, motion vs emotion. Interesting.

I think that the trailer score is just the tip of the iceberg, and it was written just for this trailer, as I don't notice any odd placed editing. One can only anticipate.

Amanda
04-20-2013, 11:23 AM
Remember too that when Horner, Williams and Goldsmith came onto the scene, big sweeping orchestral scores were just coming back into style, partly (mostly) due to Williams' work with Star Wars, and Goldsmith's TMP. But, films were big and majestic....cinematic then as well. It is a totally different feel today, and the score styles have to reflect that. A traditional Willims score from the late 70's would not fit with any modern film I can think of. This to me points to a distinct decline of quality films, especially in the action/fantasy/sci-fi vein.

bgray1016
04-20-2013, 11:28 AM
I can't believe that this trailer music has sparked a four-page thread with everyone either complaining or defending Zimmer's music. This is dumb. Just listen to his great music or move on. Tired of people complaining about what others may like. We all have different preferences. If you don't like this, okay, move along and go back to your crap Horner orchestrations or whatever. That is all.

tom_1984
04-20-2013, 11:45 AM
Bolded emphasis quoted for truth.

Zimmer is more of a salesman and celebrity than a composer, and in addition to the Joker theme stuff (and his complete and utter dogshit line of saying Danny Elfman's Batman theme was "jolly", for Rises he said he was finally going to 'unleash' his full Batman theme after only hearing a build up to it in the first two films, claiming Batman hadn't earned it yet. Of course he never delivered on that but he sure made it sound like something to anticipate.

As for who knows what makes for a genuine theme, it's an interesting question. I've never really considered any of the Nolan Batman films to have obvious themes, instead more atmospheric ideas. The characters have "sounds" rather than "themes" if that makes sense.

Couldn't agree more. Zimmer make stupid statements/promises and nothing comes out of them.
His glorious days are over, I think.

This track is a disappointment.


This year, Brian Tyler IM3 will sweep all other scores. Massive theme and REAL orchestra - at least some people say this after hearing the score.

wimpel69
04-20-2013, 11:50 AM
I don't think Tyler is a role model for other composers to follow either. While he has the craft that Zimmer so obviously lacks, his scores are mostly distinguished by unmemorable melodies and bland/routine development. Much of his music cannot stand on its own, and I have yet to hear a truly memorable score of his (and yes, I keep listening to them).

Symphonic music can manipulate a viewer's impression of a scene in a manner that electronic music cannot, because electronic sounds do not resonate with human beings in the same way, and orchestral colors (if handled by a master, not Zimmer) can me much more exquisitely "moulded". Orchestral music NEVER gets old. Synthesizers do.

Kadron
04-20-2013, 11:56 AM
again, thats your opinion
I mean I can see where you are coming from, but I myself have no problem with synthesized music

wimpel69
04-20-2013, 12:12 PM
I mean I can see where you are coming from, but I myself have no problem with synthesized music

Sigh. That's not what I was saying. I don't have a "problem" with synthesized music, it's just not as differentiated as acoustic instrumental sounds. Violins e.g. have overtones, each is made of natural woods, each piece with its own "vibration dynamics", and each and every one has an inimitable "voice".

Kadron
04-20-2013, 12:50 PM
I understand that, I was just saying that it doesnt make it objectively better music
while I do prefer natural instruments, I myself wouldnt say 'synthetic music' gets old to me. But thats just me

Amanda
04-20-2013, 01:04 PM
Memorable Brian Tyler....Transformers Prime. (At least for Me)

Doublehex
04-20-2013, 01:05 PM
I can't believe that this trailer music has sparked a four-page thread with everyone either complaining or defending Zimmer's music. This is dumb. Just listen to his great music or move on. Tired of people complaining about what others may like. We all have different preferences. If you don't like this, okay, move along and go back to your crap Horner orchestrations or whatever. That is all.

What is dumb is that you have a problem with intellectual debate. The discussions going on in this thread are fine.

tom_1984
04-20-2013, 01:50 PM
Memorable Brian Tyler....Transformers Prime. (At least for Me)

Children of Dune, Far Cry 3.

Amanda
04-20-2013, 02:05 PM
I can't believe that this trailer music has sparked a four-page thread with everyone either complaining or defending Zimmer's music. This is dumb. Just listen to his great music or move on. Tired of people complaining about what others may like. We all have different preferences. If you don't like this, okay, move along and go back to your crap Horner orchestrations or whatever. That is all.

I think the topic has progressed from just the trailer score. Of course we can't say this score will be good or bad based on a 2 minute snippet. But we can have a discussion about various composing styles and the changes happening now. I don't see anything wrong with that, and I had sworn not to participate.

JHFan
04-20-2013, 02:12 PM
Tired of people complaining about what others may like. We all have different preferences. If you don't like this, okay, move along and go back to your crap Horner orchestrations or whatever. That is all.

Then stay the fuck out of these threads if you don't like other's preferences. No one is complaining here. Go back to your crap Casio keyboard-sounding Zimmer computer sounds or whatever. That is all.



What is dumb is that you have a problem with intellectual debate. The discussions going on in this thread are fine.

Indeed they are. Of course he has a problem with an intellectual debate. Many of Zimmer's most die-hard fans who cum in their pants over these things are usually plagued with a term Amanda likes to use:

Butthurt.

Everan Shepard
04-20-2013, 03:26 PM
Everyone here should just take a chill pill, it's gonna get out of hand

Plutopurto
04-20-2013, 03:52 PM
I can't wait to have to wait for the Recording Sessions, permitting that's if I like the score.

Compos_JSJ
04-20-2013, 04:32 PM
Let's make a request thread for 'em, eh?

EDIT: Damn, got ninja'd by haha123...

Lockdown
04-20-2013, 04:35 PM
There's a clean version on YouTube.

Lockdown
04-20-2013, 04:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYVO2iydS2I

DjawadiFan
04-20-2013, 05:46 PM
Perfect..1080p..

antovolk
04-20-2013, 05:56 PM
There's a clean version on YouTube.

They only thing they "cleaned up" was the piano opening. They still used the same source, as there are still changes in volume level where there's supposed to be speaking - the stuff Metrotokyo fixed in my rip. Also, audio is 192k at best :)

theodred27
04-20-2013, 06:11 PM
For those who want a cover with it.

Lockdown
04-20-2013, 07:43 PM
They only thing they "cleaned up" was the piano opening. They still used the same source, as there are still changes in volume level where there's supposed to be speaking - the stuff Metrotokyo fixed in my rip. Also, audio is 192k at best :)
It probably changes in volume level because they had to make the music softer in order for you to hear the words throughout the trailer. I mean it is technically 'background' music, right?

antovolk
04-20-2013, 08:10 PM
Obviously :) Could've been worse though, the Star Trek Into Darkness one (one of the trailer tracks is not available to the public) is horrible..

hahah123
04-20-2013, 08:20 PM
A cover for Man of Steel:
(Sorry for awful quality, but that was what was avalable:))
(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/689/443426manofsteelsun.jpg/)

gururu
04-20-2013, 08:34 PM
A cover for Man of Steel:
(Sorry for awful quality, but that was what was avalable:))

Perhaps one with the Man of Steel out of his costume instead then?

hahah123
04-20-2013, 08:36 PM
Perhaps one with the Man of Steel out of his costume instead then?

Perhaps!

theodred27
04-20-2013, 08:37 PM
Perhaps one with the Man of Steel out of his costume instead then?

This one is approved by Shirtless Jurassic Goldblum, the real man of steel !


hahah123
04-20-2013, 08:39 PM
LOL!

gururu
04-20-2013, 08:51 PM
This one is approved by Shirtless Jurassic Goldblum, the real man of steel !

Loose the brillo pad mullet…and maybe.

foxtown
04-20-2013, 11:14 PM
here's some input from hans zimmer himself to the trailer

v.i. control forum • View topic - Man of steel Trailer [ Guest ] (http://www.vi-control.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31102)

he also said, that the "demos" will be released... but where and when.. i don't know

chiefbigsnake
04-20-2013, 11:33 PM
Thanks!!

Nightmare27
04-21-2013, 12:33 AM
Thanks. Han's composition sounds more triumphant compared to Batman's moody theme. I like it.

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
04-21-2013, 05:56 AM
About John Williams VS Hans Zimmer...

Man of Steel Trailer 3: John Williams Re-Edit/Re-Score
G Sensat

Someone edited and rescored the trailer on youtube.
Published on 17 Apr 2013
I was asked, so here it is: I've edited and re-scored the latest Man of Steel trailer (trailer 3) using the John Williams main theme and other movements from his work for Superman. I was able to subdue most of the trailer's embedded music, but it got muddled towards the end (so I left out the dialogue). I also added in some sound effects to fill in the quieter moments. I would have added more, but had to move on to something I was actually getting paid to do!

One note/disclaimer: I actually love Hans Zimmer's film score work, and this is not a swipe at him. I don't envy his having to step into such an established "musical identity," and wish him the best (as I'd imagine Williams does, too). That said, the John Williams themes are irrevocably tied to Superman for me (and many others). Enjoy!

G Sensat 5 hours ago

I appreciate all the kudos on the edit. To those who have been "offended" by this edit: if you read my description, you'll see this is a tribute to John Williams and his mastery, not a slam on Hans Zimmer. Still, if you wish to comment on the choice of composer (not the point of this video...but okay), I ask that you disagree without being disagreeable.

Man of Steel Trailer 3: John Williams Re-Edit/Re-Score - YouTube (http://youtu.be/-DUiXZj1c7M)


it sounds okay.
but the placement is extremely off.
the main theme really punches on a scene that shows the villain.
no extra editing was involved to make the music suit the trailer any better.
Can't blame him too much though...

but had to move on to something I was actually getting paid to do!

JHFan
04-21-2013, 06:24 AM
Of course Zimmer fans would be offended. Very typical.

Once he took over Batman, they started to despise Elfman and his "jolly" theme.

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
04-21-2013, 06:42 AM
Of course Zimmer fans would be offended. Very typical.

Once he took over Batman, they started to despise Elfman and his "jolly" theme.

I'm a Zimmer fan and not offended.
Bigot.

Amanda
04-21-2013, 07:01 AM
For my money, the best Batman score, and the best use of Elfman's theme was Walker's work on the animated series.

JHFan
04-21-2013, 07:27 AM
I'm a Zimmer fan and not offended.
Bigot.

Well you should be, just to be stereotypical!

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
04-21-2013, 07:56 AM
Well you should be, just to be stereotypical!

To ease your existence?

benuit
04-21-2013, 09:22 AM
well just my 2 cents...i don't understand why so many of you regard John Williams as an icon, actually. Ok, the man makes perfect themes, I agree, you won't find any better. But that's about it...except themes, i found it hard to listen to one of his scores in its entirety...they sound boring, not many of those on my 160 GB ipod. i can't establish an emotional connection to his music, not like i can for, let's say, Newton Howard or Horner, much better composers than Williams IMO. And, yes, Zimmer too. Call him however you want, but, for me, thin red line and last samurai are the two best movies scores from the over 1000 i've listened to.

I can see where the wind blows. For the ipod listening experience Remote Control is of course the better way. The easy listening experience is the Hans Zimmer way.
The thin red line and the last samurai are the best examples. Wonderfully unobtrusive way to listen to them or to smoke a joint or to ride in the elevator.

John Williams: And yes, it is sometimes hard to hear, because it is complex music, harmonious, discordant, differentiated, that is his great art.
James Newton Howard is more or less the middle ground. Simple, effective music, melodramatic, sometimes discordant, mostly compliant.
And James Horner? Best example Troy vs. Troy rejected by Gabriel Yared.

The problem is not yet the synthesizer. Jerry Goldsmith was a master of both worlds, experimental, loud, quiet, harmonious and disharmonious. Someone who has loved the music.
For him, music was not a job or a commodity, he wrote from conviction. And, unfortunately, all that does not apply to Mr. Zimmer from Frankfurt.

xphile7777
04-21-2013, 09:40 AM
Thanks for sharing! :)

Plutopurto
04-21-2013, 11:32 AM
Would love to have heard James Newton Howard's or James Horner's takes on this world. They can keep the magic alive and rarely disappoint.

JHFan
04-21-2013, 04:08 PM
John Williams: And yes, it is sometimes hard to hear, because it is complex music, harmonious, discordant, differentiated, that is his great art.
James Newton Howard is more or less the middle ground. Simple, effective music, melodramatic, sometimes discordant, mostly compliant.
And James Horner? Best example Troy vs. Troy rejected by Gabriel Yared.


If that's your so-called 'best example', you sir are piss-poor at making examples.

A score written over the course of an entire year versus a replacement score written AND recorded over the course of 10 to 13 days....moronic comparison.

JHFan
04-21-2013, 04:09 PM
To ease your existence?

Ease my existence? I have no idea what you mean by that. I don't care.

JDow13
04-21-2013, 05:03 PM
Just gotta wait to see what the rest of his score sounds like...

foxtown
04-22-2013, 09:42 AM
this edit is really good, no voice:
Man of Steel Trailer #3 Music (2013) - Hans Zimmer Score HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYVO2iydS2I)

benuit
04-22-2013, 11:30 AM
If that's your so-called 'best example', you sir are piss-poor at making examples.

A score written over the course of an entire year versus a replacement score written AND recorded over the course of 10 to 13 days....moronic comparison.

The amount of insults does not increase the correctness.

The quality of work is crucial and not how long you work on it. James Horner has not left his comfort zone for a long time, and you can hear it unfortunately.
Gabriel Yared's score was too complex (to the ears of the producers), this is not James Horner's fault. Only the result is not very satisfying.

robga
04-22-2013, 02:24 PM
Wow great theme. Thank you antovolk for your efforts. Is there any chance you could share this dcp of the trailer? I would love to see and hear it in lossless quality.

wimpel69
04-22-2013, 02:25 PM
Great theme? There's hardly a theme to speak of. Only for those inert enough never to have listened to ANY memorable theme AT ALL in their lives may this appear to be a theme of any consequence.

JHFan
04-22-2013, 03:30 PM
The amount of insults does not increase the correctness.

The quality of work is crucial and not how long you work on it. James Horner has not left his comfort zone for a long time, and you can hear it unfortunately.
Gabriel Yared's score was too complex (to the ears of the producers), this is not James Horner's fault. Only the result is not very satisfying.

Still, a comparison that simply does not make any sense.

Of course quality and time play a role, as does the demands of the score regarding its use in the film. Besides, of all of Horner's scores which are infinitely better than "Troy", it remains a poor example of what Horner has done and therefore your point remains unproven. The only reason you chose it was to single him out. Nothing more. Lame examples don't prove anything when the examples just don't make any sense.

jaroshulk28
04-22-2013, 03:50 PM
Thanks!

Everan Shepard
04-22-2013, 03:50 PM
Can the debate be taken to a separate thread please?

JHFan
04-22-2013, 04:13 PM
Can the debate be taken to a separate thread please?

I have no more interest in a debate. Not to go all school boy, but he started it and I responded. I'm done. Whether he's done or not is of no concern to me.

robga
04-22-2013, 04:15 PM
Yes please. Great lack of respect for other people's opinion in here.

wimpel69
04-22-2013, 04:21 PM
People who think that this kind of music is "great" or "marvellous" or whatever do not have an opinion. What they have is a conspicuous lack of taste, musical instinct and not even the faintest idea of how music works as an adjunct to drama (as opposed to a faceless wallpaper).

Faleel
04-22-2013, 04:27 PM
People who think that this kind of music is "great" or "marvellous" or whatever do not have an opinion.

I don't think this music is great, (I like Williams and other orchestral composers) but I do like certain Zimmer scores in a guilty pleasure fashion.

GrannyGooz
04-22-2013, 04:29 PM
People who think that this kind of music is "great" or "marvellous" or whatever do not have an opinion. What they have is a conspicuous lack of taste, musical instinct and not even the faintest idea of how music works as an adjunct to drama (as opposed to a faceless wallpaper).

While you may speak of truth and such but the glaring reality is what is perceived to be cool and the current norm of the moment dictates the majority of those who rather joins where there are many as opposed to those who rationalize for quality and lack of quality of his recent works. Question, is that he's real work? or someone from his pool of underlings doing the magic? Hmmmm.

Everan Shepard
04-22-2013, 04:30 PM
Great, you can't think if you like this now. Seriously.
I liked this theme, I also love Williams work on Superman too, and his Star Wars scores. I'm a big fan of Carter Burwell, Clint Mansell,, Jerry Goldsmith.
But I like this theme, so I can't have an opinion, so I'm retarded or something. Really?

If you don't like it, leave! Go enjoy something you do love instead of staying here.

GrannyGooz
04-22-2013, 04:56 PM


Ironic isn't it? a little too ironic...



Yeah I really do think..

Bogus123
04-22-2013, 05:15 PM
Wow. The level of hate is astounding. You don't like it, fine, you think Zimmer is a hack or whatever, well you're entitled to your opinion, but do you really have to pat each other's backs for how intolerant you appear for the last few days ? Jeez. Move on.

JDow13
04-22-2013, 05:24 PM
You know what I don't understand the arguing over this...

The reason is because despite what people say negatively about his work, Hans Zimmer is a very popular choice for film scoring...The majority of viewers love it or at least find his music acceptable. If the majority did not, he wouldn't be a big presence at all in the media. Therefore the arguments are pointless.

If someone says they don't like him or they criticize him, how and why would that cause a Zimmer fan to feel compelled to defend him? As if Zimmer's career is in danger and he needs any defense for his work at this point in the game!

lol

robga
04-22-2013, 05:31 PM
People who think that this kind of music is "great" or "marvellous" or whatever do not have an opinion. What they have is a conspicuous lack of taste, musical instinct and not even the faintest idea of how music works as an adjunct to drama (as opposed to a faceless wallpaper).
I think your black and white thinking is so 16th century, but I really like your passion. Let us stop arguing about taste, because beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Let's enjoy music instead!

Amanda
04-22-2013, 05:50 PM
People who think that this kind of music is "great" or "marvellous" or whatever do not have an opinion. What they have is a conspicuous lack of taste, musical instinct and not even the faintest idea of how music works as an adjunct to drama (as opposed to a faceless wallpaper).

This is an insane statement. Of course it is an opinion. Music is art, and art is always subjective. What one likes, another will hate. I dislike the style Mr. Zimmer uses on most of his scores. I have no opinion about the man himself, or his worth as a composer. All this hate, one way or the other. It's not healthy. And this was an interesting conversation for just a bit, and has now degenerated, as it seems all such discussions do. I'm out also.

jaroshulk28
04-22-2013, 05:51 PM
well i'm not going to get into the Zimmer argument, but that was the best trailer i've seen this year. however, all of the amplitude changes in the original file were distractingly annoying, so i fixed it. thanks antovolk for the rip.

V2 FLAC (https://mega.co.nz/#!vsYhmZ4K!D4jj5kdAiRaaZQSsZinxe0cPQ5pM9FjGuIRZZ36 F3IU)

V2 MP3 (https://mega.co.nz/#!XwY13SwI!Y7tNSToEpXec10scnVax2VVuS6YTpr-3-kMyDJqDsgA)

for those who care, enjoy it.

Can we get mirror links for this? I can't download anything from that site.

GrannyGooz
04-22-2013, 06:45 PM
Wow. The level of hate is astounding. You don't like it, fine, you think Zimmer is a hack or whatever, well you're entitled to your opinion, but do you really have to pat each other's backs for how intolerant you appear for the last few days ? Jeez. Move on.

"hate" could be a bit of an exaggeration. More like being passionate in expressing ones opinion that is. And having one's opinions to be heard or discussed is not even bad but rather healthy so why be so badly hurt with coinciding opinions or contradictions we go through it and live with it like it or not.

benuit
04-22-2013, 07:31 PM
I feel the lack of respect very unfortunate. Discussions live from the exchange of arguments, insults are not particularly helpful.
Criticism is not a personal attack, deals exclusively with the work. The reactionary behavior of some fan boys makes no sense.
Disagree? Please explain.

drhousetapachula
04-22-2013, 07:32 PM
MAN OF STEEL TRAIMER 3 MUSIC (AN IDEAL OF HOPE)

LINK:

Download links for Man_of_Steel_-_Trailer_Music___3_(Hans_Zimmer_-__An_Ideal_of_Hope_).mp3 - Mirrorcreator - Upload files to multiple hosts (http://mir.cr/1JNFHYAN)

foxtown
04-22-2013, 07:42 PM
it's the music from this link?
Man of Steel Trailer #3 Music (2013) - Hans Zimmer Score HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYVO2iydS2I)

try downloading the 1080p file, the music there has a better bitrate ;)

gururu
04-22-2013, 07:45 PM
The reactionary behavior of some fan boys makes no sense.

Fanboys by definition are inordinately bias and therefore cannot be sourced for rational opinion.

benuit
04-22-2013, 07:47 PM
Still, a comparison that simply does not make any sense.

Of course quality and time play a role, as does the demands of the score regarding its use in the film. Besides, of all of Horner's scores which are infinitely better than "Troy", it remains a poor example of what Horner has done and therefore your point remains unproven. The only reason you chose it was to single him out. Nothing more. Lame examples don't prove anything when the examples just don't make any sense.

For (http://sonicbrilliance.com/2011/11/troy/) The (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2004/09_Jun---Gabriel_Yared_Troy_Reviewed.asp) Ultimate (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/17575) James (http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/troy.html) Horner (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFD3C241F4149F184) Fan (http://www.soundtrack.net/content/article/?id=120)

benuit
04-22-2013, 07:49 PM
Fanboys by definition are inordinately biased and therefore cannot be sourced for rational opinion.

Unfortunately true...

antovolk
04-22-2013, 09:15 PM
Most if not all of the rips on YouTube were sourced from this thread:

http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/hans-zimmer-man-steel-trl-3-ideal-131402/6.html

Killgrave
04-28-2013, 08:15 PM
Antovolk: thanks for the music. Can't tell you how many times I've listened to it.

Interesting isn't it how one trailer, one very well done trailer, and its music have gotten people excited about MOS. Until trailer #3 there was a lot of doubt about the tone and direction MOS would take: would it be like Superman Returns, or The Dark Knight or, dear God like it never come to that, Batman and Robin. Would Snyder deliver a movie along the lines of 300 or would it be another Sucker Punch - visually interesting but narratively weak. And would Zimmer be able to match John Williams score, which if I had to choose only one score, I would choose, with difficulty, Superman. (There was talk about Zimmer working in the minor keys, etc).

Now all that doubt is gone and if I had one must hear score of the sumer, MOS is it.

Amanda
04-28-2013, 08:19 PM
I admit I am curious to hear the score. I seriously dislike the score for Superman Returns (and the film for that matter). But I am still not optimistic about the movie. We'll see.

jaroshulk28
04-29-2013, 02:03 AM
I admit I am curious to hear the score. I seriously dislike the score for Superman Returns (and the film for that matter). But I am still not optimistic about the movie. We'll see.

Yeah, I'm not really a big fan of Supes, but the latest trailer for the film has made me interested.

sgtfbomb
04-29-2013, 02:16 AM
Criticism is not a personal attack, deals exclusively with the work. The reactionary behavior of some fan boys makes no sense.


I agree. It's one thing to have an opinion, but to make such a disrespectful, condescending attempt to pop other people's balloon, so to speak, is not simply about intellectually voicing an opinion. It's just an aggressive display of narcissism and perhaps even one's nihilistic side rearing its ugly head. Either way, I prefer enthusiasm -- whether you like something or hate it -- over stubborn cynicism, if not for the simple fact that such expressions feel honest, open, and handed with a matter of respect.

Hans, I can take or leave his work. I really love a lot of his scores, such as Backdraft, The Lion King, The Dark Knight films, Crimson Tide, and so on. But even his lesser work I find decent and listenable. I think he tends to get a bad rap because of his lesser "imitators." His work tends to fit the tone of the films he generally works on and the aesthetics of the filmmakers, such as Christopher Nolan, that he usually works with. I am looking forward to hearing his score for this film, as well as seeing the film itself. :)

Lockdown
04-29-2013, 02:18 AM
I would say the trailer made me more intrigued to see the film itself, not the score as much.

JDow13
04-29-2013, 02:33 AM
See that's where I differ. I think Zimmer's earlier works before/during the Rock era were just synthy blah...There wer certainly other composers who were doing what he was doing at the time, so I never really saw any difference UNTIL he turned his music into something else.


But you're not gonna see me telling someone else they suck because they dislike or like Zimmer's work...That's just idiotic.

Honestly? I don't see much of a difference between this Man Of Steel clip and his 3 ascending note At World's End theme for the Pirates films...It practically follows the same structure when I listen to it....and I don't really like the guitars or the gimmick he is employing this time where for DKR it was the million sampled voices for the Rise Chant, now it's a million professional percussionists doing the percussion for Man of Steel....

I know Zimmer's game. I get his limitations and his modus operandi...And I'm fine with it.

Still, doesn't mean he sucks...

Lockdown
04-29-2013, 02:39 AM
Here listen to this JDow13: Hans Zimmer - Rango Returns | Rango OST - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lh-Rt5MG7c)

Then after, listen to this: 8- Parlay (Pirates of the Caribbean At World's End) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXEAp021_cU)

Joseph
04-29-2013, 04:12 AM
People who think that this kind of music is "great" or "marvellous" or whatever do not have an opinion. What they have is a conspicuous lack of taste, musical instinct and not even the faintest idea of how music works as an adjunct to drama (as opposed to a faceless wallpaper).

Insane Troll Logic - Television Tropes & Idioms (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsaneTrollLogic)

Joseph
04-29-2013, 04:47 AM
Zimmer is more of a salesman and celebrity than a composer, and in addition to the Joker theme stuff (and his complete and utter dogshit line of saying Danny Elfman's Batman theme was "jolly", for Rises he said he was finally going to 'unleash' his full Batman theme after only hearing a build up to it in the first two films, claiming Batman hadn't earned it yet. Of course he never delivered on that but he sure made it sound like something to anticipate.

To the best of my knowledge, you're misrepresenting what Hans Zimmer said. The whole bit about Batman earning his theme was actually said shortly after "Batman Begins" came out. During an interview done around the release of "The Dark Knight", he said that he ultimately scrapped those plans because what he had in mind didn't gel with the second movie. As for the "jolly" comment, Zimmer was apparently paraphrasing what other people were asking him. I don't think he meant it to be a slam on Danny Elfman, and, really, the Elfman Batman march is rather jolly. (Contrast it with his morose Penguin theme in "Batman Returns".) Coincidentally, the interview with the infamous "jolly" comment was also the one where he declared that he scrapped the "theme" he was promising to build on.

Sunderella
04-29-2013, 05:54 AM
Listen to this: Avatar - Track 12 - Gathering All The Na'vi Clans For Battle - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK2UacvRp6E&feature=youtu.be&t=2m49s)

then this: Gladiator Soundtrack : "The Might of Rome". - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fedRyexbFHQ&feature=youtu.be&t=2m10s)

What do you say?

Rocklegend2000
04-29-2013, 08:12 AM
See that's where I differ. I think Zimmer's earlier works before/during the Rock era were just synthy blah...There wer certainly other composers who were doing what he was doing at the time, so I never really saw any difference UNTIL he turned his music into something else.


But you're not gonna see me telling someone else they suck because they dislike or like Zimmer's work...That's just idiotic.

Honestly? I don't see much of a difference between this Man Of Steel clip and his 3 ascending note At World's End theme for the Pirates films...It practically follows the same structure when I listen to it....and I don't really like the guitars or the gimmick he is employing this time where for DKR it was the million sampled voices for the Rise Chant, now it's a million professional percussionists doing the percussion for Man of Steel....

I know Zimmer's game. I get his limitations and his modus operandi...And I'm fine with it.

Still, doesn't mean he sucks...



IMO Zimmer is nothing but a giant Gimmick......

geraldo_horner
04-29-2013, 09:46 AM
My two cents: I think it helps remembering that film scores are "Gebrauchsmusik". Music, made for the purpose of working inside a film or movie. For no other part of filmmaking we demand that it works completely out of the film it was made for but for the music we do. How could the music to this sequel/reboot/whatever sound anything new or different, when the film looks exactely like all the other superhero movies of the last years. I think there was no room for Zimmer (no pun intended) to make anything extraordinary in this one. Nor would it have been for anybody else, since there is a simple task to fulfill, making a score for blockbuster movie that distracts not to much attention from the action so that no twelve-year-old is overwhelmed.
Second thing: My favorite directors make one movie in maybe two years but my favorite composers are doing one every two months. So I won't expect all masterpieces but I will pick the cherries, no matter if it's Zimmer or Shore or Martinez. After spending years disliking Zimmer I began to have some respect for him after realizing that he makes shallow blockbuster scores (because that is what producers pay him for) but inside his niche he tries to explore new sounds and integrates influences from popular. To me that is a good thing because it just wouldn't fit in anymore to work only with a 19th century symphony orchestra and scoring in Wagner/Tchaikovsky style. I am no Zimmer fan, but I like some of his work, I love some of William's scores. But remembering when film scores were really fresh of ideas, always Bernard Herrmann comes to mind. Still it is fun to listen to his science fiction and fantasy scores like Gulliver's Travels or The Day The Earth Stood Still. He tried so many things in orchestration and he would have been the first one to work with synthesized sound, if they would have been available to him.

So my conclusion is (if anybody read this to this point): Stop the hating, just ask: Is this a good piece of music that works for outside a movie? Does it give me something I haven't heard? Do I want to listen to it again?
Well, for myself I can answer all these questions with "no". But I was curious enough to listen to it and read seven pages of discussion. So, thank you very much for the work, antovolk!

Sunderella
04-30-2013, 12:24 PM
I made a video from some of the samples and edited them to a suite. No good edit, but I did it for fun.. it's quite hard to fit the short tracks.

Man of Steel Soundtrack Suite - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cDo54JGClc)

eglia
04-30-2013, 01:07 PM
I admit I am curious to hear the score. I seriously dislike the score for Superman Returns (and the film for that matter). But I am still not optimistic about the movie. We'll see.

I think John Ottman's score is amazing, would have loved to hear his ideas if they ever did a sequel but this upcoming film will be the superman film and score we've all wanted because no matter what Hans Zimmer always comes through.

DjawadiFan
04-30-2013, 02:26 PM
MOS SAMPLES..................... kick Here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CKZX0AA/ref=sr_1_album_1_rd?ie=UTF8&child=B00CKZX7M6&qid=1367310116&sr=1-1)

Killgrave
04-30-2013, 03:08 PM
Superman Returns wasn't a bad film, Singer had the right tone for the film. The problem, as I see it, was Singer was trying to make a sequel to Donner's 1979 Superman: The Movie and that just didn't work in the 21st century. Your villain has to be at least as strong or smart or stronger or smarter than your hero otherwise its a foregone conclusion as who is going to win. (Not that the winner of MOS is in any doubt, the question is how will Supes win and what will that cost him?)

Portraying Lex Luthor as a real estate swindler was a mistake. Singer should have referenced the animated series and made LL the head of LexCorp. A surprising mistake from the man who finally elevated super heroes with X-Men and X2 from the funny to the serious. (Burton started that process but Schumacher pretty much destroyed the advances Burton made.)

Chris Nolan completed what Singer started and I think if MOS works it will be in large measure to Nolan, his brother Jonathan and David Goyer who all understand the importance of making sure your movie has a script with actual dialogue, (a series of one liners does not constitute dialogue), a well constructed plot (something other than explosions every 15 minutes) and people acting like adults as opposed to overgrown children.

Singer's been on something of a losing streak with Superman Returns, Valkyrie and Jack the Giant Slayer. Hopefully he recovers his mojo for the next X film.

RadikKolacek
05-01-2013, 07:11 PM
Excellent work :)
MoS Music - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUbFZHsvtk0&feature=player_embedded)

divisi
05-01-2013, 08:36 PM
I know this comment that i`m going to make is going to be a shock for most, seeing that he is liked here so much.

Personally i`m very dissapointed that he got this assignment, i never like this individual with his electronic and sinthesysed oriented scores, it`s a real shame that new Directors in Hollywood seems to have the same tastes, and choose to go with him, or with any of his gang for his movies.

It is my personal opinion, don`t take it the wrong way, maybe it`s just me, i dislike him a lot and it`s a real real shame this situation, when John Williams it was the perfect man for this job, if not posible then Alan Silvestri, James Newton Howard, Christopher Young, John Debney or Patrick Doyle would be a better choice.

Anyway, i`m so sad :(
So true. I guess the music is measured at the Box Office.


Superman Returns wasn't a bad film
I liked it actually.

Amanda
05-01-2013, 09:16 PM
Superman Returns wasn't a bad film, Singer had the right tone for the film. The problem, as I see it, was Singer was trying to make a sequel to Donner's 1979 Superman: The Movie and that just didn't work in the 21st century. Your villain has to be at least as strong or smart or stronger or smarter than your hero otherwise its a foregone conclusion as who is going to win. (Not that the winner of MOS is in any doubt, the question is how will Supes win and what will that cost him?)

Portraying Lex Luthor as a real estate swindler was a mistake. Singer should have referenced the animated series and made LL the head of LexCorp. A surprising mistake from the man who finally elevated super heroes with X-Men and X2 from the funny to the serious. (Burton started that process but Schumacher pretty much destroyed the advances Burton made.)

Chris Nolan completed what Singer started and I think if MOS works it will be in large measure to Nolan, his brother Jonathan and David Goyer who all understand the importance of making sure your movie has a script with actual dialogue, (a series of one liners does not constitute dialogue), a well constructed plot (something other than explosions every 15 minutes) and people acting like adults as opposed to overgrown children.

Singer's been on something of a losing streak with Superman Returns, Valkyrie and Jack the Giant Slayer. Hopefully he recovers his mojo for the next X film.

Superman Returns was not a "bad" film or score, I am just saying that it didn't really speak to me personally. I have issues with the events in the last half hour or so, from the beating on the new island on, really. I disliked the lack of resistance, and thought his getting shanked in the back was overly cowardly and undignified. I know, Kryptonite island. I think Clark really needs to spend some time with Bruce in the Cave, learning maybe just a few moves not reliant on being a God, ya know? Whenever he gets weakened, it's like he has no skills at all. Anyhoo....

Lockdown
05-02-2013, 05:13 AM
Anyway someone could download this in FLAC from this website, I see the download button, but you have to download a program, I think. I don't understand the website well because it is in Chinese I believe, but this is my favorite! Man of Steel - [An Ideal of Hope] - Hans Zimmer (Remake) 1080p_������Ƶ�ۿ�_��������Ƶ ����֮�� Ԥ��Ƭ ��˹��ĩ �*�� ���� (http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/KzORyzrKweg/?phd=3)

antovolk
05-06-2013, 09:14 PM
The QR code in the new poster (and possibly the Krypronian writing) links to the official version of the Trailer 3 music on SoundCloud posted by WaterTower music-

https://soundcloud.com/watertowermusic/mos_poster/s-LYFjd

If only there was a version higher than 128k...

it2007
05-06-2013, 10:06 PM
Yeah, that was awesome. I noticed that Watertower did not actually give it any title, which sort of reaffirms the notion that it is an edited version not available on the score. It's almost as if they put it out specifically to appease the demand for it after trailer 3 came out.

Which Doctor?
05-07-2013, 12:31 AM
Anyway someone could download this in FLAC from this website, I see the download button, but you have to download a program, I think. I don't understand the website well because it is in Chinese I believe, but this is my favorite! Man of Steel - [An Ideal of Hope] - Hans Zimmer (Remake) 1080p_������Ƶ�ۿ�_��������Ƶ ����֮�� Ԥ��Ƭ ��˹��ĩ �*�� ���� (http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/KzORyzrKweg/?phd=3)

I couldn't figure out how to grab a FLAC version of this. I ended up capturing the video via Freecorder's Video Recorder, which captured it as FLV; the audio was AAC 44 KHz 51 Kbps Stereo. I used FLV Extract, which according to it's info: FLV Extract is a tiny utility that is a perfect solution for this situation. It allows to extract the embedded audio part from the FLV file in the original as it is form. As a result you will not experience any loss in quality because of the re-encoding because no re-encoding is involved at all. . So here is the AAC file:

https://mega.co.nz/#!n0BAzRjC!Tfb1aXL8e-j5MliBjIVoBh_t8OBDgC6o6BB6l7x5uwY

Hope this helps...if anyone has any better ideas, please feel free to share :)

Lockdown
05-07-2013, 12:39 AM
The FLAC version is like over 20 MB's. There's a way to download it, it just brings me to some page in a different language

Which Doctor?
05-07-2013, 12:45 AM
The FLAC version is like over 20 MB's. There's a way to download it, it just brings me to some page in a different language

Yeah, I saw that myself...had no idea what it said so I didn't go that route lol.

Lockdown
05-07-2013, 01:06 AM
Maybe if someone here understands the language on the page they could get it to download and upload it somewhere? Maybe Sanico, I'm not being racist it's just a thought.

---------- Post added at 06:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:02 PM ----------

Oh the link it takes you to the program iTudou allows you to download the video, not the audio. So that's the program it takes you to..

Which Doctor?
05-07-2013, 01:22 AM
This was just posted at FB:

Preview 3 min 8 sec of the new Man of Steel score! Revealed through a QR code on the new official poster, users with a QR scanning app can be connected to the song.

Go ahead and take a listen!
http://f.cl.ly/items/3s0I2K2t200X182Z3b1e/music%20preview.mp3

I right clicked and was able to save it - I believe it's the same 128 bit version that's on Soundcloud. Anyway, here it is if anyone is interested:

https://mega.co.nz/#!u8AHSQLJ!HLvr7zXs6dxqtKgSzIjR3RA0s6wdCSiPSGJhHoE 3oXQ

scrat28
05-07-2013, 09:45 AM
Thank you The 4th!

licenturion
05-07-2013, 02:21 PM
They already sell a track on the US store of iTunes called 'Ignition'.

Oh no not again... I hate is when albums are leaked/released track by track. Dark Knight Rises was already an exercise of patience to collect all the tracks and bonus tracks...

scrat28
05-07-2013, 02:28 PM
Yep, it's silly..... but can someone living in the US please be kind enough to buy & leak that track? :)

I'd be delighted to do it myself but i live in Europe...

DjawadiFan
05-07-2013, 05:05 PM
Ignition - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=crDXwmwbJcc)

MP3-128k: Zippyshare.com (http://www31.zippyshare.com/v/89546430/file.html)

scrat28
05-07-2013, 05:11 PM
Yeah! thank you. I find this track similar to TDKR. I absolutely don't know why they choose to sell this one in particular :p

GauthierG
05-07-2013, 05:53 PM
I want more :loldata:

hahah123
05-07-2013, 05:58 PM
The track Flight from the OST:
Man Of Steel Soundtrack - Experience App - Hans Zimmer - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz0V74eSjKw)

DjawadiFan
05-07-2013, 06:08 PM
The same quality of the track here https://soundcloud.com/dajanksta/mos-app also..... in toggle repeat..

licenturion
05-07-2013, 06:12 PM
I hope this leaks early cause I'm uber excited and it still is more than a MONTH. *dies inside*

A Fire Will Rise
05-07-2013, 06:14 PM
The track Flight from the OST:
Man Of Steel Soundtrack - Experience App - Hans Zimmer - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz0V74eSjKw)

actually it says blocked in my country WTF???

licenturion
05-07-2013, 06:22 PM
No it works for me. Listening now.

haydening
05-07-2013, 08:01 PM
just go to check out the official website of this album, and dont thank me.

Admiral_Young
05-07-2013, 08:02 PM
60 Second samples from the Deluxe Edition score.

WaterTower Music - Man Of Steel: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack - Limited Deluxe Edition (http://www.watertower-music.com/releases_spotlight.php?search=WTM39426)

GauthierG
05-07-2013, 08:06 PM
Download link please. :colbert:

DjawadiFan
05-07-2013, 09:18 PM
Download now; Man Of Steel - Official Soundtrack Preview by WaterTowerMusic on SoundCloud - Hear the world?s sounds (http://soundcloud.com/watertowermusic/man-of-steel-soundtrack)

hahah123
05-07-2013, 09:53 PM
I love those new samples!!!!!!

It seems Zimmer has re-invented himself:)

GauthierG
05-07-2013, 10:18 PM
Uploading it on my channel for mobile users.
Hans Zimmer - Man of Steel extended samples - YouTube (http://youtu.be/-F9aajf2lOg)

dkj
05-07-2013, 10:48 PM
Download now; Man Of Steel - Official Soundtrack Preview by WaterTowerMusic on SoundCloud - Hear the world?s sounds (http://soundcloud.com/watertowermusic/man-of-steel-soundtrack)

So good.

Need a single link for this, stat.

DjawadiFan
05-07-2013, 11:13 PM
I love those new samples!!!!!!

It seems Zimmer has re-invented himself:)

I can not imagine.. Madness-drums-unleashed.. Damn Jxl is a king of drums this year he did a good job huh...

Which Doctor?
05-07-2013, 11:18 PM
I just installed a new app (to me anyway) called I-Sound Recorder. Here is one of the sample tracks - let me know what you guys think - if you like it I'll upload the rest once I get 'em all.

https://mega.co.nz/#!msQDWBQC!I4dCe2ccFxwRHzizLz6aShcRWr8JHeOmbObYpQg LMAo

Constantine1989
05-08-2013, 12:29 AM
I don't know if anyone has done something similar but here is a custom cover I made for this amazing music! Enjoy!

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/maklarenvisuals/8719091626/" title="Man of Steel: Original Trailer Music 2 by Maklaren Visuals, on Flickr">

DjawadiFan
05-08-2013, 12:42 AM
Nice cover and good start!

GauthierG
05-08-2013, 11:46 AM
Hans Zimmer - Man of Steel extended samples - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jo7jnZT3E0&feature=youtu.be)

Which Doctor?
05-08-2013, 12:05 PM
Samples - WAV format:

https://mega.co.nz/#!78RBlCzJ!ej2tKR25TBjq6oIBySoXQjjsAYpf9Miuub0QMew yIEU

JDow13
05-08-2013, 06:30 PM
drums drums drums drums...is it me or are the drums themselves the actual Superman theme with the Clark Kent theme driving it in the background?

gururu
05-08-2013, 07:30 PM
drums drums drums drums...is it me or are the drums themselves the actual Superman theme with the Clark Kent theme driving it in the background?

(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/201/muzak02.png/)

MGDrone
05-08-2013, 07:37 PM
Wish there were more hints of a theme for Zod. Wonder if the track General Zod on the deluxe is a theme suite. Everything else sounds great!

JDow13
05-09-2013, 07:04 AM
Theme for Zod: I do believe the "Zod" theme is that 3 note theme heard in a few of the tracks, but best represented in the track sample Launch....I only say this because that's the only tune I've heard so far that sounds even remotely sinister --- Zod probably doesn't even have a theme, it's just a "Danger" theme...

licenturion
05-13-2013, 02:26 PM
NEW FULL TRACK: https://mega.co.nz/#!UwVHRALR!N_bqGkwH1dIB8cffvz0-x270iytOmHTeSe5R4IKKpTA (DNA)

patolog
07-16-2013, 08:06 PM
very nice! thanks!

Fatjacky
07-16-2013, 11:03 PM
Unless I'm totally mistaken, no version of this track has been provide that's 100% SFX clean. Here is the link to the ACTUAL track, not a youtube rip: https://soundcloud.com/watertowermusic/mos_poster/s-LYFjd

The link in the first post needs to be updated, as it still has SFX in it. This one is clean.

HDlossless
10-25-2014, 06:11 PM
can anyone upload a FLAC copy of the original trailer version without SFX? Thanks!

HDlossless
10-29-2014, 02:55 AM
bump

DAKoftheOTA
10-29-2014, 03:27 AM
can anyone upload a FLAC copy of the original trailer version without SFX? Thanks!


Unless I'm totally mistaken, no version of this track has been provided that's 100% SFX clean.

HDlossless
10-29-2014, 04:10 AM
An Ideal of Hope - Hans Zimmer (Original) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XikFCxAuJSM)

Check this out. This one is 100% SFX-free. It's better than the V3 version posted here a long time ago.
This version was leaked in 320kbps MP3 format. I wonder if I can find its original trailer HD video or FLAC file of this version.
This is the original version, the original theme.
Please someone upload this in FLAC!

rubow
01-08-2016, 10:52 AM
Edit: nevermind, found a new link.

Anybody still have this in FLAC?