Now, I hope this isn’t spamming… I don’t think it is… But anyway, I’ve penned up a Final Fantasy VII Remake petition and wanted to invite everyone here to sign it… It’s only got a few signatures now but I’m hoping it’ll grow.
Here’s the link: http://www.petitiononline.com/ps3ffvii/petition.html
I hope you guys sign this and don’t worry if you do, I’m not one of these people who writes up a petition and then ignores it. I’m freaking dedicated to this game, heh.
Only days ago the head honch of square (i think the big cheese) said about it. but he never stated that it was not being remade.
And i think it was either tetsu nomura or the square president who said "at the end of the compilation of final fantasy VII there will be something big".
this can only lead consumers to believe that the game is being remade. and i would think that sony would pay square millions to make it, as it would guarntee the sales of thousands probs millions of PS3’s as FF VII has one of the largest fan bases ever. i would only pay $1000 AU for a PS3 if there was FF VII.
FF XIII can wait till the console reaches a reasonable price (650).
Plus this begs me to ask would FF VII be remade in 1080P or 720P?
you know, it is possible for there to be more than one petition for the remake of FFVII.
THEY HAVE ALREADY SAID IT OVER A MILLION TIMES. THERE WILL NOT BE A REMAKE!!!!
Oh and the tech demo just showed us what it WOULD HAVE looked like IF there was one……:-0 wow there ya go everything wrapped up in one big post……..so plz, i LOVE FF7 too, but if their not making a remake, their not making one unless like everyone in the world asks for one. So wait until that happens , then join the world and send your petition ok….?
http://www.petitiononline.com/ff7remke/petition.html
8065 people signed it
and
http://www.petitiononline.com/dq5f2355/petition.html
4585 people signed it
I signed all of them, and the one posted in this topic.
I dont think any game made is worth $1000.
I’d, personally, say this is worse:
I LOVE THIS GAME!! Even if i couldn’t get a PS3, I would still get the game just for the sake of having it. Make a remake plz!!!
So this guy would have the game so he could… what, idolize the box cover? Include it in his shrine to Sephiroth?
Tetsu? You mean Tetsuya Nomura right? Ok good because I wasn’t aware it’s entirely ok to drop the last 2 letters of someones first name. My name must be Gi.
i would happily pay 1K to play Final fantasy 7 in 1080P (please 1080p not 720p)
but then i would have to spend another 6K to buy a tv that supports 1080P. man that sucks.
And the money hungry square would remake the game. i mean come 7 parts to FF VII. the game itself did not leave much to be answered (vincent, yes, zack not really) and if you check square-enix’s profit drop by like 6% even with FF XII sales.
it would be cool if they made a cloud/sephiroth type game on the wii. where you could battle with those massive swords.
Ohh i can agree with the guy who said about buying it even if he did not have a ps3. i mean my collection is getting pretty big and i have some games that i do not have the console for anymore.
not any more absurd than people that spend thousands to upgrade their system to play one or two games.
imho, the reaction to this guy’s initial post irked me more than the post itself. flaming people mindlessly doesn’t help anything.
Here’s a link to the little scanned article:
And yeah, the reaction was pretty extreme since endsdawn wasn’t exactly being a total nitwit or anything. Sephiaya, on the other hand, is a prime example of complete insanity.
And there are also a few other titles i would want so that wouold also be another reason to buythe console.
i mean i spent about 1K on my 360 on launch (i got 7 games though) and i have not regretted it since. i also bought an LCD so i could run High-Def.
And i would imagine that by the time any FF VII remake camo out the PS3 would have already price dropped :).
Here’s a link to the little scanned article:
Response of Square on the ff7 remake rumor. Taken from the same site the pic is from.
"We have confirmed that Final Fantasy XIII is in development, but have NOT confirmed a FF7 remake at any time. The remake has been a popular subject for rumors, but that’s all they are. Obviously the Best Buy listing was made in error"
THEY HAVE ALREADY SAID IT OVER A MILLION TIMES. THERE WILL NOT BE A REMAKE!!!!
Oh and the tech demo just showed us what it WOULD HAVE looked like IF there was one……:-0 wow there ya go everything wrapped up in one big post……..so plz, i LOVE FF7 too, but if their not making a remake, their not making one unless like everyone in the world asks for one. So wait until that happens , then join the world and send your petition ok….?
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Sorry noob but you should pay attention to the news, petitions just piss Square off
Not Cowboy Bob Orton.
…because there are many FFVII fanboys/girls out there?
Do you actually like any Final Fantasy games??
Your a strange one, clearly VII was the best ones, it had a least annoying characters in it. I can`t believe you actually liked FFIX, the ability system was dire, Garnet didn`t even get her summons til the 2nd disc, you couldn`t arrange your party til the 2nd disc. I mean the plot was okay for FFIX but I would much rather play with a dried dogshit.
You obviously haven’t read the debate threads where several of us have proved pretty conclusively that FFVII was a mediocre game at best, along with a detailed explanation of why it has such a rabid following even though it doesn’t deserve such attention.
Also, you have shit reasons for not liking FFIX, just like most people who don’t like it.
The FFVII debate has raged through numerous threads in this forum, so it shouldn’t be hard to find a thread devoted to the subject on the first couple pages or so.
Look here, noob! (Thread 28803)
And FTR, FF9 was much more playable then FF7, the ability system is actually a good thing. I assume you’re only marking it down as a weak point because you never bothered to utilise it properly
Compared to when every time you equip a materia, it lowers your character’s stats?
What? That makes very little sense.
The game picks your team at the start for you, most of which are Marcus and Blank who you can`t even equip yourself.
All the FF games do pretty much the same thing at the beginning. Try again.
Yopu lose Steiner for a huge chunk of the game and when you get him back he`s ten levels lower than everyone elso.
I assume you’re referring to the period where he and Garnet have run off back to Alexandria? The game is designed so that isn’t detrimental. It never puts you at an unfair disadvantage because of it.
Quina keeps vanishing and randomly reappearring whenever it suits him.
So? Quina is an optional character for about half the game.
The trance system is stupidly inferior to the limit break system.
That’s nice. Now back that up by telling how it is inferior rather than simply different.
Garnets trance is ultimately useless til the 2 nd disc,
Maybe that’s a legitimate complaint, but it’s pretty minor without a lot of other justifiable gripes to tie into. And I’m not seeing any.
Garnet becomes a useless character for 2 hours of the game
Boo hoo. It’s a single character who can easily be replaced by Eiko suring that period. You’re really reaching if that’s the best you can do.
and all the characters a vastly dislikeable.
And why is your opinion about the characters more valid than those of the myriad people who thought the characters were better than those in the previous two games?
Maybe, just maybe I might have wanted to use Steiner at that point rather than letting him get weak.
So? Quina is an optional character for about half the game.
Why would I want optional characters.
That’s nice. Now back that up by telling how it is inferior rather than simply different.
Maybe that’s a legitimate complaint, but it’s pretty minor without a lot of other justifiable gripes to tie into. And I’m not seeing any.
Boo hoo. It’s a single character who can easily be replaced by Eiko suring that period. You’re really reaching if that’s the best you can do.
Eiko sucks.
And why is your opinion about the characters more valid than those of the myriad people who thought the characters were better than those in the previous two games?[/QUOTE]
I feel like my opinion is just as valid as yours and all I can see are your opinions.
Lol, sounds like you want them to just make another sequel.
Personally, I think the battle system and materia were great for the game. I realize figuring out good materia combinations, what weapons and armor to use for the materia slots, and leveling the materia are all vastly annoying aspects of the game. But that’s a good chunk of what makes Final Fantasy VII what it is. Without those annoying little balls of magic, almost 20 hours of gameplay would be shaved off, what with not having to mess around with them. You wouldn’t want that now would you? 😛
And how would they change the battle system? Updating the graphics would be good, but that’s a given.
Polishing the plot. I’m assuming you mean making things more clear in spots and maybe adding side quests. Cuz if they changed the plot, it wouldn’t Final Fantasy VII anymore, now would it?
I’m done rambling.
That`s the problem with you, you think your opinion is fact, poor you.
You obviously haven’t read the debate threads where several of us have proved pretty conclusively that FFVII was a mediocre game at best, along with a detailed explanation of why it has such a rabid following even though it doesn’t deserve such attention.
Also, you have shit reasons for not liking FFIX, just like most people who don’t like it.
Hahaha you guys didn’t prove shit. It was your opinion not fact. Just because four kids who spent half their life on a forum say something doesn’t mean it’s true
Manga just ignore them, they would never admit they were wrong.
And i bet money i know how their going to reply to this
You think so? Try taking us up on it. Your puny fanboy opinions are no match for the power of objective analysis.
Manga just ignore them, they would never admit they were wrong.
Well thats just sad.
To know that you would actually have to go outside every now and again and I can`t imagine you would do that been as you probably spend all your time forming opinions, oh I`m sorry I`m mean forming facts about you things you pretend to know about.
Care to reiterate that in proper English? I don’t speak Moron.
Haha yesss. I won the bet. I knew i should actually bet money.
Manga those 4 twats (you’ve only met 2) will never admit to being wrong. They think your opinions are false and their opinions are facts. Just ignore them.
lmao
Admit it, you are just getting warmed up for me :-*
Ill leave the sheep to the wolves .
christ. not only are you shitting up the forums and putting out trollbait, you’re encouraging other people to do this same. this is not how things work. don’t listen to this, guys, please ;-;;
if you see someone mindless flaming and ruining threads, PM me.
I hear that.
Reason being is because VII and VIII are all about 1 character. i mean there is every characters story but it is insignificant in comparisson.
FF IX envolves every character, if you notice it is not always about cloud, or Squall; it changes from character to character, and even though you ues zidane throughout the game you become more familar with everyone. There is also a lot more character devolpment with FF IX. Like in Final Fantasy VI, Terra is the main character but Celes is envolved almost as much, and everyone shares an equal part.
And the Sole reason FF VII sold so well (it was a great game) but it was because it was marketed like a bitch. FF VII was everywhere (like halo 2 was).
and who cares if you cannot use Eidolons till the second disk. i mean it is not like you need them. there are pleny of alternertives. And the option of Abilities is great. (sucks for mages though, they don’t get enought ability points)
And Final Fantasy X was one of the most pathetic RPG’s i have ever played. the story was great, but it did not feel like fantasy to me. i did not even finish it as i was so upset. And Tidus what a wank. Anyone notice that square are starting to use more Japanese names now. That sucks to.
i would much prefer names like sabin, celes, locke, zidane, vivi ECT.
All in all final fantasy VII is great but it is pretty much equal with FF IX i would say. But Final Fantasy IX had much cooler characters in the game. i mean who does love Master Vivi, he is so dam cool.
Quoted for truth. Also, good post.
I would much rather play with a dried dogshit.
So… is playing with a dried dogshit something you enjoy then?
I was compelled to point this out.
Reason being is because VII and VIII are all about 1 character. i mean there is every characters story but it is insignificant in comparisson.
FF IX envolves every character, if you notice it is not always about cloud, or Squall; it changes from character to character, and even though you ues zidane throughout the game you become more familar with everyone. There is also a lot more character devolpment with FF IX. Like in Final Fantasy VI, Terra is the main character but Celes is envolved almost as much, and everyone shares an equal part.
And the Sole reason FF VII sold so well (it was a great game) but it was because it was marketed like a bitch. FF VII was everywhere (like halo 2 was).
and who cares if you cannot use Eidolons till the second disk. i mean it is not like you need them. there are pleny of alternertives. And the option of Abilities is great. (sucks for mages though, they don’t get enought ability points)
And Final Fantasy X was one of the most pathetic RPG’s i have ever played. the story was great, but it did not feel like fantasy to me. i did not even finish it as i was so upset. And Tidus what a wank. Anyone notice that square are starting to use more Japanese names now. That sucks to.
i would much prefer names like sabin, celes, locke, zidane, vivi ECT.
All in all final fantasy VII is great but it is pretty much equal with FF IX i would say. But Final Fantasy IX had much cooler characters in the game. i mean who does love Master Vivi, he is so dam cool.
I see that you know how to express your opinion. I agree on almost everything. Btw people who started with ff7 would probably not like the world of ff9, as it is completly difference than ff7s.
Reason being is because VII and VIII are all about 1 character. i mean there is every characters story but it is insignificant in comparisson.
FF IX envolves every character, if you notice it is not always about cloud, or Squall; it changes from character to character, and even though you ues zidane throughout the game you become more familar with everyone. There is also a lot more character devolpment with FF IX. Like in Final Fantasy VI, Terra is the main character but Celes is envolved almost as much, and everyone shares an equal part.
I think FF7 involved all the characters on equal par with each other (with the exception of Vincent and Cait Sith). Each character had his own storyline and you to see them all in small bits much like Lost. I`m not saying FF9 was a bad game, in fact with all the new Final Fantasy games on the horizon its one of the few I would even still play, I`m just saying don`t hate FF7.
Not really. i mean throughtour FF IX the story changes, it may go from say vivi, to garnet, then back to vivi. FF VII just had Barret, cid cloud ECT. it had a basic story about each character and then focused on Cloud. it did not really get into that characters story.
And no chance that the Character in FF VII shared an equal part.
Yuffie: 45 min (in her town)
Barret: 1 H start of game
Cid:1 Hour in space
Vincent: 3 mins with his chick
Tifa: has a fair part
cat sith: nothing really
Red XIII:1-2 hours
Aeries: has a fair part for the start of the game
CLOUD remainging hours. (which is about 20-22 hours)
Now that is not an equal part, i mean the main character should have more but that is a lot more. And i mean in FF IX there are little bits of Zidanes story throughout the game, and only at the end is his story told in one big hit. Not big cloud climax, Red XIII, Cloud climax again.
And i don’t hate FF VII. if anything i am a fanboy of it
(i have about 1.5 K worth of stuff, just FF VII). Just that i also love FF IX and i do not like people ragging on the game when they don’t have good evidence.
And it is just that the world in Final Fantasy IX is much more fantasy. Like in the older games before VII they had like a medievil sort of setting. (VII,VIII had a more modern setting), which made the game not as enjoyable. Examples are like castles, knights, ect.
Plus the reason the characters are cooler in FF IX are because tetsua Nomura did not exactly design the character, nor did he have mauch part i believe.
so we did not see belt clips and zip and spiky hair. we saw basic but great characters, who had that lovable feeling about them.
That is also why none of the characters from FF IX or VI have stared in any KH games. Tetsua does the character design for KH.
You know how it starts off with the words "Final Fantasy VII Technical Demo for PS3"? Massive fucking clue right there.
Dude any hope of a remake died about 1 week ago, when sony announced that both FF VII and VIII would be on the PS1 emu. If square was gonna remake VII they would not have these for the PS1 Emu.
And why isin’t FF IX going to be on PS1 Emu for PSP. Could it be that square thinks that it is such a good game that they are going to remake that instead. lol
What I don’t understand is that enix has no problem with making cheap mediocre add-ons to FF VII (DoC, AC, etc) but remaking FF VII would probably be the most successful out of all of them and their still not doing it
How about FF VII on wii. you could use the wii mote as a buster sword. lol
How about FF VII on wii. you could use the wii mote as a buster sword. lol
FF VII or any FF game on the Wii would be ungodly fun.
As for the PS3 I think Sony’s going to pull it off somehow, they usually do
i mean 360 use 720P which was a big ask of gamers, i myself ended up buying and LCD soley for this. But i would not go out and buy 1080P for PS3. plus i do not want blue-ray anytime soon, for the moment upscaled DVD’s look great on my TV.
Also I agree with Viper, if they were to do it and went with a complete remake and not just updating the graphics, this would turn out to be an amazing game. Explaining the story alot more with some extra scenes and flashbacks so I actually understand everything would be first on my list, and improving the battles would also help. If they do it right, this would really work.
Back on FFVII:
The game shouldn’t EVER be remade.
I can argue about this for hours. DoC, AC, BC, CC, these are already bad enough.
I beg of SE, please no more FFVII.
Back on FFVII:
The game shouldn’t EVER be remade.
I can argue about this for hours. DoC, AC, BC, CC, these are already bad enough.
I beg of SE, please no more FFVII.
But that just depends. If they remade it well and not did a slop job like they did with DoC, AC, BC, CC, then it would actually be great. I don’t really see how you could be against them if they remade and tried. We all know that when enix trys, their going to produce a pretty damn good game.
But that’s the main point, is <B>when</B> they try. Don’t do the job half-ass and put out a product that is below average that I’m sure I won’t like at all either and will just hate the series even more. Spend a good amount of time on it with a lot of people, remake it as best as possible without really making it a totally different game, and I’m sure I’ll like it.
But I wouldn’t want to them to remake the game because there is nothing that NEEDS to be remade.
FFVII made its point, and a very good one that kept people talking for so long, that SE thought "Hmm, they love it so much let’s milk this game for all its worth."
And it honestly ruined FFVII
so anything further on the game would suck.
And if they DID remake it I could tell you I would prefer the original over the remake anyday.
No matter how flashy graphics were, or how awesome Sephiroth looks, or how the music sounds.
There should only be one.
But I wouldn’t want to them to remake the game because there is nothing that NEEDS to be remade.
FFVII made its point, and a very good one that kept people talking for so long, that SE thought "Hmm, they love it so much let’s milk this game for all its worth."
And it honestly ruined FFVII
so anything further on the game would suck.
And if they DID remake it I could tell you I would prefer the original over the remake anyday.
No matter how flashy graphics were, or how awesome Sephiroth looks, or how the music sounds.
There should only be one.
You miss the point completely. FF VII was good, it wasn’t perfect. They wouldnt just edit graphics, sound, and "making sephiroth look cooler"
Read the quote.
I think FFVII was actually very good until your party leaves Midgar, it just dies for me after that. If they honed the game, fine-tuned it a bit, cleaned up the story line, re-vamped the Materia system, it could turn it to be an excellent game.
Also if they changed the battle system and added some decent voiceacting it would be great. Their is nothing wrong with remakes. Nintendo DS lives off remakes and they all actually kick ass. If FF VII was remade it would give the game a whole different feel.
It isn’t perfect but no game is flawless.
It’s like how FFI was soooo good.
And when they re-released it they totally changed around the magic system to "make it better" and it totally ruined it.
There is nothing wrong with FFVII to remake it.
Damn, good point. forgot about that
Every FF had room for improvement. But that doesn’t mean they ALL should be re-made
Well, I don’t know why I bother posting in this, beacause a remake isn’t going to hapapen anyway, so there really is nothing for me to complain about.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t you going on and on about every FF being remade? Granted, I can understand I-VI’s rereleases. But seriously, why bother with remaking the others, especially when Squeenix can spend their resources on far better things?
VII was an excellent game and it should be left where it is. i mean FF AC was just something cool that was for the fans, but then SE Milked the Fu*k out of it by making like 7 stories. some of which are not gonna be in English.
they should leave FF VII where it is now, i mean it is pretty much still regarded as one of the best, if not the best RPG ever made.
I agree that FFVII should be left as is. So should the rest of the FF’s. But only idiot mainstream magazine writers and fanboys would publicly regard FFVII as one of the best RPG’s ever.
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No, I don`t think so, I think it is just lazy remaking games. Can`t people come up with new original ideas?
Everything that has been remade, including movies, never did better (or as good) as the originals.
FFVII one of the best RPG’s ever?
You have to be joking. FFVII never deserved anything more than itself.
And only idiots state opinions as if they were facts. In my opinion, FF VII was my favorite RPG of all time (Not counting the Kingdom hearts series since they were a blend of rpg and action)
‘]So basically with that statement, it is reasonable for SE to re-make FFI-FFIX?
Yes.
‘]I mean you have to look at the history of remakes.
Everything that has been remade, including movies, never did better (or as good) as the originals.
FFVII one of the best RPG’s ever?
You have to be joking. FFVII never deserved anything more than itself.
The fact is when Enix trys, they always succeed. You are miss out on so many factors on remaking games. Nintendo for an example, which relys on remakes alot, usually always does an excellent job at remaking. It all depends on the company.
Again, don’t think FF VII is the best rpg of all time, thats your opinion, but don’t go stating it as a fact because their is a lot more evidence (as in # of people) that it is then it isn’t.
The fact is when Enix trys, they always succeed.
Please explain yourself.
You can’t really compare Nintendo to SE, for many reasons.
Mainly because they operate like two completely different things.
I said it once I’ll say it again
And as for Lion, the first sentence you said is pretty incompetent. more Fans=more money, common sense. And believe me Enix has a shitload more than "nothing else to do". According to the shitloads of FF VII fanboys, FF VII is the best and since fans=more money, they are what count.
I see your point, but there’s a bit of a flaw in your reasoning. Mario 64 was an entirely different game from say, Super Mario World. A revamped FFVII would still be FFVII.
Dude look all over the net, most people still regard Final Fantasy VII as one of the best RPG’s ever made. i mean it was revolutionary for it time. And yes it was a mainstream game, not like the older FF games. but you foget Mario bros was alos a main stream game and that managed to sell over i think 40 million copies.
VII was much better than VIII and X(X-2). i mean come on X-2 all women WTF, that is not a true final fantasy, and X don’t get me started. VIII was great but just did not live up to VII, also after VIII FF died down a little.
Remakes can be great, but how many RPG remakes are good. i mean the only new thing to offer is superior graphics. ports can be good some times, but remakes can destroy a game. And basically VII was a landmark For RPG’s and should be left where it is.
First off, it doesn’t matter what you and other fans think, there is really no way to prove that FFVII was the greatest based off of gameplay. (It is all opinion.)
If you are relating it to sales, then maybe.
X-2 not a true FF?
The only thing that seperates this game from the rest was the fact that it was a direct sequel from another FF. Something Squaresoft never never did before.
Other than that, it was also marketed as a mainstream game, and had every aspect of a FF.
And your reference to all girls, bad thing does make you sound like a douche.
Now, many people on these forums probably think I’m a sexist dumbass based off the FFXIII thread.
But I’m not.
Just because X-2 had all girls, definately doesn’t take away its FF title.
I think the only thing I can agree with you on, is your statement about not remaking the game.
I got FF X-2 (i got 3 sealed ones for 50 AU each) and turned it on. i was pissed when there was no CG intro (start up), and i did not even start a file, as i friend told me that the final mission was not on this version and that it was not as good as X. Plus Every FF game needs a male character. He is the character that always assumes the postiion of the hero of the story.
now i am not sexiest, but when it comes to FF there should always be a male character. i just find it less realistic when a women takes on the world. (plus the fact that i am a massive fan of Meele attacks). And the characters were slutty as hell. i mean come on look at what they wear.
Look on the net, and search around people still think FF VII was up with the greats. i can still remember when the game came out, it was everywhere and it was what people were talking about.
it is like defining a genre.
Platformers: EG. Mario, Sonic ECT
FPS: EG. Counter Strike, Halo ECT
RPG’s: Final fantasy VI,VII Vagrant story. ECT
Final Fantasy VII is regarded as one of the best, and is know by most gamers (even by a lot of newcomers.) But it does not deserve a remake, port to protable, Hell Yeah (PS1 emu for PSP). But i just got my NDS lite so i guess it is jist FF III for me
Right.
FFVI, FFVII, Vagrant story.
Are you assuming that these are the best RPG’s ever?
Just give me a yes, or no answer.
Ohh and FF X-2 used that exact same sphere grid like X. there is a reason they took that out of FF XII
Ohh and defining a genre would be this for RPG, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest
And for that second sentence, could you please clarify and not sound like a dumbass?
I believe that FF X-2 used sphere grid for level ups. that was not like by a lot of RPG fans, and that is the reason why square took it our of FF XII. Plus that fact that X and X-2 did not sell as well as its predesesors
Ohh and did you know that FFVII was goona originally be on SNES CD.
Rubbish. What about Terra and Celes in FFVI? A male character is not a neccisity for ANY game.
now i am not sexiest, but when it comes to FF there should always be a male character.
You clearly are with that kind of attitude.
i just find it less realistic when a women takes on the world. (plus the fact that i am a massive fan of Meele attacks). And the characters were slutty as hell. i mean come on look at what they wear.
Slutty as hell? What kind of an arguement is that? That isn’t an arguement against the game, that’s an arguement against testosterone.
Look on the net, and search around people still think FF VII was up with the greats. i can still remember when the game came out, it was everywhere and it was what people were talking about.
Do you know why? Because, it was one of the most marketed games in gaming history.
I believe that FF X-2 used sphere grid for level ups. that was not like by a lot of RPG fans, and that is the reason why square took it our of FF XII.
Rubbish. I loved the dress-sphere system. It is well-thought out, original(Dark Knight, Samurai, Trainer etc) and easy to use and master. Also, it elimanates the need for an army of playable characters. The reason it’s been ‘taken out of FFXII’ is something called variety. SE always change the battle system.
Yeah, but it wasn’t and never will be that doesn’t change any point to your arguement at all.
eh, it probably wouldnt have an impact like from Mario 2d-mario64, but the game would probably have a whole new feel to it, if they did it well that is.
If Squeenix did it right, yes; I agree there. However, my "irons in the fire" point stands. Squeenix just can’t do it at this point in time.
Look on the net, and search around people still think FF VII was up with the greats. i can still remember when the game came out, it was everywhere and it was what people were talking about.
People like who? Doing a quick google search, the entirety of "best game ever" or "best rpg ever" reviews were either done by raving fanboys or folks trying to sell the game. At any rate, I can remember when FFVII came out, too. It just happened to have the biggest marketing blitz ever. Quite a few blockbuster flims have had smaller ad campaigns than FFVII. No wonder "it was what people were talking about."
Did you have a point? For one thing, most people have not even heard of the game, I would wager. You are massively overestimating the game’s popularity. It simply has one of the most rabid and outspoken fanbases in the history of gaming. That’s because its fans are typically younger and had relatively little gaming experience prior to playing FFVII. Young and immature kids are usually very outspoken about things they like.
It was also not revolutionary in the slightest. 3D games had been done before, and done better. CG cutscenes were being done by umpteen different games around that time, so it wasn’t unique or groundbreaking there. The gameplay was nothing new. It wasn’t the first game to have a story behind it. All it had going for it was a huge marketing campaign.
VII was much better than VIII and X(X-2). i mean come on X-2 all women WTF, that is not a true final fantasy, and X don’t get me started.
Now this is just retarded. X-2 is not a true Final Fantasy game because all the playable characters are women? Not only is that absurdly sexist, it’s full of a completely deranged form of arrogance.
]First off, it doesn’t matter what you and other fans think, there is really no way to prove that FFVII was the greatest based off of gameplay. (It is all opinion.)
No, there are solid standards that can be used to compare games and determine their quality. It is not all based on opinion, regardless of what those whose opinions are wrong would have you believe.
]The only thing that seperates this game from the rest was the fact that it was a direct sequel from another FF. Something Squaresoft never never did before.
Not correct. The first example of a Final Fantasy sequel was a 4 episode anime series called Legend of the Crystal that was based on FFV. FFX-2 was, however, the first sequel to appear as a game.
I got FF X-2 (i got 3 sealed ones for 50 AU each) and turned it on. i was pissed when there was no CG intro (start up), and i did not even start a file, as i friend told me that the final mission was not on this version and that it was not as good as X. Plus Every FF game needs a male character. He is the character that always assumes the postiion of the hero of the story.
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. FFX-2 did have an opening CG.
Also, you completely misunderstood your friend. The "last mission" your friend referred to was some extra content added to the international version of the game. The version you got was still complete.
now i am not sexiest, but when it comes to FF there should always be a male character. i just find it less realistic when a women takes on the world. (plus the fact that i am a massive fan of Meele attacks). And the characters were slutty as hell. i mean come on look at what they wear.
It sounds to me like you’re very sexist. Why is it less realistic for a female to be a protagonist? I suppose you hate Tomb Raider for the same reason, don’t you?
And who really gives a damn what the characters are wearing? Are you some kind of muslim freak who thinks women should wear really thick clothes that don’t show a single square inch of skin?
Ohh and FF X-2 used that exact same sphere grid like X. there is a reason they took that out of FF XII
Again, you have no idea what you’re talking about. FFX-2 used a completely different system. The dressphere system was a variant of the job system originally used in FFV. It was not the sphere grid used in FFX.
Plus that fact that X and X-2 did not sell as well as its predesesors
Again, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Final Fantasy X was the second best-selling FF title to date. Around 8 million copies of it have been sold. FFX-2 has sold well over 5 million, making it a massive success also.
Yeah that is basiclly what I meant.
I could shred this, but i’ll leave to Prak as he can do it much better then I can.
And the packaging alone wasn’t enough to tell you that it wasn’t going to be more of the same? Frankly, if you can’t enjoy something on its own merits just because it isn’t enough like something else for you, then you don’t deserve any consideration in the first place.
Besides, many of us make an effort to learn about things before we buy them. Games are too big an investment to spend haphazardly on them. If you can’t be bothered to read up on a product before you pay money for it, you have no right to complain when the content surprises you.
The whole argument of FFX-2 not being a ‘true’ Final Fantasy is crap. It’s a sequel to a critically acclaimed title in FFX, it’s still got a lot of the core aspects that appear in most of the prior titles, you spend a lot of time playing through the game, etc. You may argue that it’s not a true title to the series because it is mission-based, but so is FFT: Advance, and that turned out to be quite a great game.
Remakes can be great, but how many RPG remakes are good. i mean the only new thing to offer is superior graphics. ports can be good some times, but remakes can destroy a game. And basically VII was a landmark For RPG’s and should be left where it is.
Not really. Take FFIII DS for example. They are completely rehashing the graphics of course, and the only thing they are basically leaving untouched is the storyline. Everything else you can think of is getting a touch up. FFIV Advance has the entire dialogue re-written, the music was re-done a little bit, and you really couldn’t notice the graphical update.
Nah it was just that FF X was really a let down. i mean when i finally got X i had just down a marathon type thing of FF VI,VII,and IX in almost a week. so my expectations were really high, and i played X to be nothing but disappointed. i played for about 25 hours, and then turned it off and haven’t touched it since. (2003)
First off, it’s pretty ridiculous to try and finish three Final Fantasy games in a week. Heck, even one is way too much, considering you’d probably have to average 5-7 hours everyday of the week to accomplish one title. If you had played FFX after taking a break from the series, I bet you would have finished it because you weren’t burned out from playing three prior titles consecutively like that.
I got FF X-2 (i got 3 sealed ones for 50 AU each) and turned it on. i was pissed when there was no CG intro (start up), and i did not even start a file, as i friend told me that the final mission was not on this version and that it was not as good as X. Plus Every FF game needs a male character. He is the character that always assumes the postiion of the hero of the story.
That’s a pretty lazy reason to not give it a try, really. I never listen to my friends concerning if I decide to try a game or not. It’s due to the fact that they usually don’t have any real reasons to give me except ‘oh i dont know it’s pretty cool and sweet’, plus the fact that I make my own opinion. Sure I look around and read reviews to get an idea, but by then I’ve already made a decision if I’m going to give it a go. That’s what you need to do.
now i am not sexiest, but when it comes to FF there should always be a male character. i just find it less realistic when a women takes on the world. (plus the fact that i am a massive fan of Meele attacks). And the characters were slutty as hell. i mean come on look at what they wear.
Now I’m not racist, but black people need to learn some serious communication skills and quit saying ‘ya kno’ every 5 seconds when they speak.
Seriously, what you said is sexist. Just because the vast majority of people who play Final Fantasy are male doesn’t mean all the characters should be male. FFX-2 was hoping to bring in more female players to the series to hopefully make the series even more popular.
Look on the net, and search around people still think FF VII was up with the greats. i can still remember when the game came out, it was everywhere and it was what people were talking about.
Yes, and I’ve already explained why it was everywhere and it was what people are talking about. And I said it had nothing to do with the quality, or lack thereof, of the game. Plus, ask just half of the people who say FFVII is so great, and they won’t be able to come up with any good reasons.
I believe that FF X-2 used sphere grid for level ups. that was not like by a lot of RPG fans, and that is the reason why square took it our of FF XII. Plus that fact that X and X-2 did not sell as well as its predesesors
I believe you’re a dumbass. FFX-2 doesn’t have a sphere grid. You may be thinking of a garment grid, but then again, I think you’re just that ignorant. You level up in FFX-2 like most of the games in the series, by earning exp. points. And if you haven’t noticed, FFX/FFX-2 have been Greatest Hits titles for a while now. Also, there’s a reason why they haven’t sold as much as those games you mentioned. I’ll point if out if you really can’t figure it out, but I hope that for both our sakes, you know why already.
EDIT: I just noticed the sales numbers that Prak gave, so that pretty much disproves your point. I knew they sold well, but those are pretty damn high numbers considering they have only been out for a few years.
Also, a little tidbit of information I’d like to throw out. Famitsu readers, one of the most popular Japanese magazines to date, voted FFX as the best game ever a few months ago.
Ohh and did you know that FFVII was goona originally be on SNES CD.
N64, not SNES
i just find it less realistic when a women takes on the world. (plus the fact that i am a massive fan of Meele attacks). And the characters were slutty as hell. i mean come on look at what they wear.
Is this because woman are less capable of saving the world when they should be cooking for their husbands and taking care of the kids all day? Is it because they should be talking on the phone all day with their girlfriends, and going to the mall to frollock and such? Seriously, your comments have sexism written all over it.
And regarding the clothing they wear, my good friend brought up a good point. What’s the difference between what they wear, and what characters in Dead or Alive: Beach Volleyball wear? Just because you expect volleyball players to wear material like that, doesn’t exclude it from what you’re trying to say. I would say that what the players in that game wear is worse than what Yuna/Rikku/Paine wear, because the developers purposefully gave all of them breasts the sizes of their heads, then gave them the skimpiest clothing possible to get males to salivate over it and sell the game. But you really don’t hear a damn thing about that being too slutty, now do you? Of course not, but once a portion of that strikes a Final Fantasy game, it’s an automatic red light that the characters are lesbians and sluts.
What in your eyes is a "true" final fantasy? I think every game in the final fantasy series is atrue final fantasy. There are no true or fake ffs as far as they are made from the same company.
I can understand only a different meaning from the phrase "true final fantasy".
A game in the final fantasy series that gives you the feeling of the classic ones. (ex:IX). So VII and VIII are for sure not "true" final fantasy games. And X is way more "true" than vii and viii in that way.
VI was great, but do not forget it wasn’t a ban of 12 women, more than half the characters were male (and they assumed the position of heroes, Edgar,Sabin,Locke). As for the clothing, it is just that it is almost like square are trying anything to sell there products (which is natural). But i mean it is much more enjoyable when you use a respectful character like Terra or Celes, Not a sleezy big breasted character. And i am not a muslim, or one of those extremist.
And As for DOA volley ball, yeah they should be wearing bikins, as it is a volleyball game, not a game where people walk around in society. Volleyball is played at the beach. RPG’s are meant to show a world. now aside from the women part.
FF X was just not fantasy. i mean the world is a fantasy world, but it is just to real, which ruins the feeling of the game. It is a good game, but in my opinion it was nothing worthy of the name final fantasy. (XII makes up for that though)
Besides, many of us make an effort to learn about things before we buy them. Games are too big an investment to spend haphazardly on them. If you can’t be bothered to read up on a product before you pay money for it, you have no right to complain when the content surprises you.
5547 posts since June 2004, strikes me as a bit sad.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt the first time, but not again. It was never going to be made for the SNES CD. You are mistaking it for the N64, dude.
The rest of your post was pretty much pointless. Also, mind responding to my points?
Insulting someone over their post count, because you cannot respond to their arguement, strikes me as a bit sad. Ftr, Prak averages around 7 posts a day I believe. I find it utterly hilarious that Prak is ALWAYS the target of abuse from angry noobs. Without fail.
You’re making it very hard for us to believe you aren’t sexist.
First off, what’s wrong with a woman being on command?
Secondly, I could see where you are coming from with Rikku, but you see, her outfit reflects her bouncy (and arguably carefree and ditzy) personality. As for the rest of the crew of femme fatales, I see nothing objectionable about their attire, what brings you to the conclusion that they are "slutty"?
And finally, Terra and Celes from FF6, Lenneth Valkyrie from Valkyrie Profile, The Girl from Secret of Mana and Lise from Seiken Densetsu 3 pretty much proves wrong your argument that females are incapable of taking on the world. 😛
Also, the Final Fantasy series is far from genre-defining in the Console "RPG" department. It still has the Tales of, Grandia, Dragon Quest, Ys, Star Ocean, Xeno, Dynasty Warriors and the Sa.Ga series to compete with, not to mention the whole slew of formidable standalone titles like Skies of Arcadia, Legaia Densetsu, Legend of Dragoon, Tail Concerto, RYGAR and Radiata.
FF VII was never gonna be on N64 it was gonna be on SNES CD.
And if you were to define a genre for RPG in 1 game series, It would be Final Fantasy. It is the most well know and sold RPG series ever made.
The only RPG to come close to final fantasy is dragon Quest. But FF definently defines the genre.
Now what i meant by women taking commad, was more of an all women thing. for example ff VI has terra and Celes, but it also has male roles as well (locke,sabin,edgar ect). Now sorry if i offended anyone for my last posts.
Off that subject, Final Fantasy VII will not be remade.
Dude N64 started being made after nintendo and sony disagreed about the SNES CD. here is a link that shows that FF was gonna be on SNES CD http://www.nintendoland.com/home2.htm?snes/snescdr.htm
There wasn???t many games announced for the ND…
The adventure game 7th Guest ported from the PC by Virgin and a game called Gdleen from Seta was on the way though. Other titles that were planned were Robocop and Cosmic osmo. These both titles later ended up on the PC format instead. Also a new Final Fantasy game was rumoured to be released to the ND. A new Zelda, Mario and a Street Fighter sequel was also rumoured.
FF VII was never gonna be on N64 it was gonna be on SNES CD.
And if you were to define a genre for RPG in 1 game series, It would be Final Fantasy. It is the most well know and sold RPG series ever made.
The only RPG to come close to final fantasy is dragon Quest. But FF definently defines the genre.
Now what i meant by women taking commad, was more of an all women thing. for example ff VI has terra and Celes, but it also has male roles as well (locke,sabin,edgar ect). Now sorry if i offended anyone for my last posts.
Off that subject, Final Fantasy VII will not be remade.
Dude N64 started being made after nintendo and sony disagreed about the SNES CD. here is a link that shows that FF was gonna be on SNES CD http://www.nintendoland.com/home2.htm?snes/snescdr.htm
Are you sure? I find it hard to understand how Square developed a 3D game which was planned to be on a 2D console.
The site yougave out says:
Also a new Final Fantasy game was rumoured to be released to the ND.
That means it was never officialy told that a ff game was developed for ND. (stands for Nintendo Disk)
Btw you should try Star Ocean 🙂
This is an absolutely ridiculous claim. It’s not worthy of a retort because it’s obviously incorrect without me pointing that out, but it’s worth saying something.
5547 posts since June 2004, strikes me as a bit sad.
My average number of posts per day is only one higher than yours. Hang around for two years and post at the same rate you are now, and you’ll have annoying people like you popping up at random times to say you’re sad for having a high post count. Then you’ll realize what a cunt you look like now.
And if you were to define a genre for RPG in 1 game series, It would be Final Fantasy. It is the most well know and sold RPG series ever made.
Not correct. In Japan, the Dragon Quest series is marginally more popular than the FF series. It just depends on the region and the exposure each franchise has there. Also, the FF games are not true RPGs. If you really insist on using the misnomer, could you at least call them CRPGs?
The ND mentioned in the link was actually the disk drive that was planned for the N64, unless I’m horribly mistaken, which I seriously doubt. After Nintendo scrapped the project, Sony carried on development and turned it into the PlayStation.
FF VII was never gonna be on N64 it was gonna be on SNES CD.
And if you were to define a genre for RPG in 1 game series, It would be Final Fantasy. It is the most well know and sold RPG series ever made.
The only RPG to come close to final fantasy is dragon Quest. But FF definently defines the genre.
Now what i meant by women taking commad, was more of an all women thing. for example ff VI has terra and Celes, but it also has male roles as well (locke,sabin,edgar ect). Now sorry if i offended anyone for my last posts.
Off that subject, Final Fantasy VII will not be remade.
Dude N64 started being made after nintendo and sony disagreed about the SNES CD. here is a link that shows that FF was gonna be on SNES CD http://www.nintendoland.com/home2.htm?snes/snescdr.htm
Dude, I’m going to be the second or third person to tell you this, but nowhere in that link does it say that FFVII was originally going to come out for the SNES CD. And you better not even try to weasel out of it when you said ‘FF is going to be on the SNES CD’. You went ignorantly against the fact that FFVII was slated for release on the N64, and for who knows why, you now realize how wrong you were by claiming what you did. Now, I can give you a link that tells the correct information, but I’ll pass.
lol
And on a world wide scale not Japan, if you were to define the rpg genre with 1 game it would be final fantasy. and i think it stupid to argue against that.
it is like defining the platformer series, Mario.
And on a world wide scale not Japan, if you were to define the rpg genre with 1 game it would be final fantasy. and i think it stupid to argue against that.
it is like defining the platformer series, Mario.
Respond to my points.
And on a world wide scale not Japan, if you were to define the rpg genre with 1 game it would be final fantasy. and i think it stupid to argue against that.
Do you understand the meaning of role-playing? By your standards, any game where you have an avatar onscreen (such as Metroid or Super Mario Brothers) is a role-playing game. No, I’m afraid the only thing the FF series have in common with RPGs is a few conventions born in real RPGs, namely those of levelling systems and interchangable equipment. Those, however, did not define the genre and to call something an RPG simply because they have those elements is wrong.
Making your character open a chest and equip the item inside is not playing a role. Making a choice whether to have your character do the right thing or betray an elderly woman for a few extra coins is playing a role. True role-playing games are all about defining the character you’re playing as. If the character’s personality and actions are already predefined, it’s more like an action/adventure game.
And how did the term get applied to games that don’t warrant the use of it in the first place? That’s easy to answer. The title was assigned by different people from those who defined the term. It was hijacked by people who probably didn’t even fully understand its meaning, who proceeded to twist and pervert it. The term as you use it is nothing but a misnomer, and it will remain a misnomer until people wake up and start using the proper definitions.
Because all these threads end up the same?
It wasn’t remake footage, it was a technical demo, to demostrate the capability of the PS3.
It wasn’t remake footage, it was a technical demo, to demostrate the capability of the PS3.
This made me laugh. 😀
I said it once I’ll say it again
Actually the only reason I said that is becaue Clouds response was closely smiliar to mines, so i reposted it.
Besides, many of us make an effort to learn about things before we buy them. Games are too big an investment to spend haphazardly on them. If you can’t be bothered to read up on a product before you pay money for it, you have no right to complain when the content surprises you.
Its not like you`ve got anything worthwhile to say anyways.
He’s got every right as you do to comment on the subject matter. Just because he isn’t wanting a remake under the current circumstances, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any helpful input.
We’ve got a winner here folks!
Its not like you`ve got anything worthwhile to say anyways.
What’s that old saw about a kettle being called black?
Believe me, Squares got plenty to do (XII, XIII, Versus XIII, Dirge, etc.). And saying 7 isnt good is your own opinion, not everyone elses
And, article. (http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/finalfantasyversus13/news.html?sid=6149412)
So I’d say it’s another story, but in the same world as XIII.
But they all have the same base behind them [the crystal]
Yup yup yup. It’s true. Same thing here
You can basiclly read about all the bullshit here.
If you get away from the WAAH ITS NOT FF7 REMAKE factor for about three seconds, you’d see that’s actually a pretty neat idea. Unfortunately, the FFXIII’s are the only titles I’ve seen for ps3 that interest me.
I’m just thinking SE has enough on their plate, and I just hope that they don’t turn out half-assed.
Otherwise, yeah I like the idea of the Crystal and all that jazz.
Are you kidding me I didn’t really care for seven which is why I wonder why people thought it was soo great. And personally I think they milked FF7 dry now tooo many expansions, honestly who gives two shits about Vincent.
I will dedicate my next two toilet trips to the disproving of your point.
Seriously, though, FFXIII pleases me a lot more than any crappy FFVII addon could.
Even moreso if they link FF’s world KH stylee.
Wow. Congratulations.
Never in my life, have I heard such a horrible idea.
Also, FFXIII looks like I will hate it at least as much as FFVII or FFVIII. Any hopes I might have had for it being decent were totally dashed when one of the S-E people said the main character was modeled heavily after Cloud. Yet another example of the company sacrificing artistic integrity in order to appeal to mainstream morons who want nothing more than more of the same in a shinier package… I can’t comment on the Versus XIII game yet because I don’t know anything about it.
I suppose if you didn`t laugh you`d only cry though.
You mean you cry cos you realise your a weasly little internet nerd that never leaves the house and the only woman you`ve ever seen naked is your mom.
Seriously, brat, you fail at life for making such a poor attempt at an insult.
Oh jeez, don’t even start throwing around insults again. Especially first grade ones. Just leave it alone and try to talk about the topic.
Seriously, brat, you fail at life for making such a poor attempt at an insult.
And that hasn`t proved me wrong at all, it wasn`t an insult, more a fact.
How pray tell are people gonna do that you fucking loser?
Quoted before the edit.
quoted for truth.
Damn good come back imo.
Your still here then and still not grown up and what the fukk does necro-posting mean??
Oh right.It’s really tiring.
The famous argument if FF7 is a great game or not.
Well, personally FF7 is one of my favorite games so I’d love a remake.
And I sincerely hope that this will be the last FF7.
I love it. But enough.
prak…i’ve only begun to frequent these forums, but i can already tell we’re on the same wavelength….FFVII is a dated game that does NOT deserve a remake…..they should be focusing to doing more with what they have to make NEW games that would blow sorry pieces of shit like this out of the water
f.y.i. guys, enix is bigger than square, so there is no square head-honcho…it’s really all up to enix…..and if you ask me, getting a billion petitions every year from diluted fanboys/girls would get annoying…so those guys at SquareEnix wouldn’t be exactly thrilled to go through them all (if they even decide to do so) and would promptly move on to better things
OMFG…laughin my ass off at this big arguement in this thread….fukin awesome…you know, we should just get you guys and shove you in a hexagonal cage and let rip!!
i say….HELL YEAH, I’LL TAKE ‘EM ALL ON!!!!!!
most of these guys hoping for a remake are probably so indulged in their sessions jacking off to Tifa, Aeris, or Barrett hentai that the only muscle they have is on their right arm
don’t you guys go and say "violence only proves ignorance" or some whack arguement like that, if you’ve got the balls to come out and verbally/textually attack someone, then you sure as hell better have the guts and brawn to back it up in a REAL fight
f.y.i. guys, enix is bigger than square, so there is no square head-honcho…it’s really all up to enix…..and if you ask me, getting a billion petitions every year from diluted fanboys/girls would get annoying…so those guys at SquareEnix wouldn’t be exactly thrilled to go through them all (if they even decide to do so) and would promptly move on to better things
i say….HELL YEAH, I’LL TAKE ‘EM ALL ON!!!!!!
most of these guys hoping for a remake are probably so indulged in their sessions jacking off to Tifa, Aeris, or Barrett hentai that the only muscle they have is on their right arm
don’t you guys go and say "violence only proves ignorance" or some whack arguement like that, if you’ve got the balls to come out and verbally/textually attack someone, then you sure as hell better have the guts and brawn to back it up in a REAL fight
ha – suck up!
just because i agree with him and not afraid to admit it doesn’t make me a suck up
tell me one instance that can be legitimately labelled as brown-nosing
i’ve been involved in similar discussions on other forums and got sick of all the whiny bitches that cried "MOMMY!!!" when they ran out of things to copy-and-paste into their replies as arguements
there is only one sentence in the entirety of my previous post that could even have an inkling of brown-nosing, and it was not intended as such if you viewed it that way, all i was saying was that there’s one more person who browses these boards that agrees with him you fucking accusational whore
What happened…? (Did we finish already?)
Welcome, z.zetsumei! (Is your song named after an ending theme? >> << >> Because I’ve heard an ending with lyrics that sound like that)
What happened…? (Did we finish already?)
Welcome, z.zetsumei! (Is your song named after an ending theme? >> << >> Because I’ve heard an ending with lyrics that sound like that)
naw, it’s not from a song…..at least for the reason why i used it
it’s jap for Death….a name that i often used back in my days as a Counter-Strike beta player =P
Mm, and Prak, I guess we have. >>
But I still feel unsatisfied….
Maybe it might not matter that I enjoy the game…since me enjoying the game wouldn’t make it a good game….
But if there was this game that was, quality-wise, the best game in the world, and I didn’t enjoy it…what use would that game be to me…?
FF7 is NOT the oldest game they have…..even if they consider it…think about other game companies….they don’t go and remake Street Fighter II, King of Fighters, or Metal Gear…..why?….if you put yourself in their shoes…wouldn’t you be afraid of messing up a game loved by a mass of people?….wouldn’t you like those mindless masses to leave you because you didn’t do EXACTLY what they expected?….game companies aren’t just trying to make a quick buck, they want to squeeze as much out of the consumers as possible while gaining a large and loyal fanbase to continue to support them in the newer titles that they release
I think they wouldn’t have an FFVII remake until like, the next PS console that isn’t backward compatible, or when their company is in trouble or something……
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But if they ever came out with one before then….=]] Yey
it started with Final Fantasy (the title came about because it was their last shot before they had to formally announce bankruptcy), which was a knock-off version of Dragon Warrior
just to let you know, Enix was bigger than Square in Japan…and just because their name comes first doesn’t mean that their titles are doing well…so IF SquareEnix gets into trouble, they’re more apt to look to a successful Enix title to pull them through in Japan FIRST…not the losers across the Pacific
As big of a let down as FF7 was how worse can you get? Unless you hate things that are exceptional, which if you like FF7, makes sense.
FF7 was the most advertised, well-timed, mainstream title that Square released….if you call all of that grounds for being "exceptional"….then you’re right….it’s release was exceptionally executed….though that doesn’t mean that the game itself was exceptional
Mm….
=]
And even if they didn’t do a remake, I might want to start one, just as a tribute to the original, rather than saying that the original wasn’t a masterpiece….but then maybe later I’ll get shut down by Squeenix after I’m halfway done because they don’t like me and have copyright problems with me….
(>> *looks at Chrono Trigger*)
lmao!! – tbf – ur probably right there! lol
they have the means…but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re gonna make their future releases better….cheaper is a more appropriate term
since they pretty much have a cockhold on a good portion of gamers…they can release total bullshit that cost them pennies when profits are compared to production costs….just take a look at Dirge of Cerberus and the hundreds of thousands of copies that were sold…if you take a look at the game itself, it wouldn’t tax a game company heavily to put aside even a handful of quarters to make that catastrophe…but they did it because they knew that those pathetic, spineless wimps would buy it anyway
That’s the biggest load of crap I’ve read since Iceberg’s last poke at the FFVII-haters. zetsumei has a great point; Why would Squeenix bother to create excellent titles now that they’ve legions of raving fanboys to exploit? With that in mind, sales figures and reviews mean very little. You know the "best game ever" quote on the back of FFVII’s case? The magazine responsible for that quote was pretty much a front for a chain of gaming stores in California.
you’re right….a game is a game….it’s just that there’s so many games that are better than FFVII….before and after its release
Speaking of which, I’d personally like to see a remake of Live-a-Live for the SNES.
And Earthbound.
<< Don’t forget Vagrant Story!
And yes, the praise this game gets is ridiculous. The hate this game gets is also the most I’ve ever seen for any game, too….XP
I don’t think the people who praise the game are trying to harm anyone….
But maybe the people who are hating on the game aren’t really trying to harm anyone, either….they’re just trying to say that other games deserve praise more, or those things….
In any argument, any fight, or any war….both sides are always defending something….whether it’s their life, their beliefs, their pride, their love…even their future safety or happiness….
There is never anyone completely, solely offensive….
People only get into fights because there is something they want to protect….
True. I haven’t played most of those games though. But that’s because I simply don’t have a lot of time on my hands these days. Even though I probably would never have touched an RPG game unless I played FFVII back when I was 9.. maybe 10.. back in 1999/2000. But also, I never had exposure to great games such as Chrono Trigger. I’m actually glad I started posting here, because I found two things:
1) There are more Final Fantasy games than just FFVII. (Which I didn’t know because I was so young..)
and…
2) Final Fantasy ISN’T the only RPG game out there..
First of all, Sony does not develop the Final Fantasy series, that is Square-Enix.
Second, they are most likely remaking the games because the originals are all on obsolete and outdated consoles.
They are also probably doing this on Nintendo systems because the originals were on NES and SNES so Gameboy Advance is the easiest to transfer them to because it is basically a handheld NES.
1) There are more Final Fantasy games than just FFVII. (Which I didn’t know because I was so young..)
and…
2) Final Fantasy ISN’T the only RPG game out there..
don’t forget to add this one
3) There are games that are better than FFVII
There are always games better than a game, and there are always games worse than a game….
Every game is beautiful in its own way…
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Right?
and IF things could be so ugly that they’d be beautiful, FFVII would give some games a run for their money…but it’d definitely be king of suck-ass RPGs
I suppose you’re the kind who goes "WTF" at a modern art museum…..
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(ah…uhm…well, I’m like that too…
But some people find them beautiful….
Maybe there’s beauty in them that I just can’t see…XP)
So fucking what, a software companies main priority is to get their product out the masses and sell as many copies as possible.
You really think Squareenix could give 2 shits on whether the people on these forums think that the games are selling too well. It`s all about the money and not the nerdy, cult fanbase that you people seem to crave with these games.
So fucking what, a software companies main priority is to get their product out the masses and sell as many copies as possible.
You really think Squareenix could give 2 shits on whether the people on these forums think that the games are selling too well. It`s all about the money and not the nerdy, cult fanbase that you people seem to crave with these games.
FF7 was neither brilliant nor is it an RPG, it just got popular because it appealed to the lowest common denominator AND the whiny angsty teenbrat movement that’s been taking root on the internet and society at that time.
Hailing it as the greatest game of all time is in the realm of fools. While it’s true that Square only cares about making a buck, this isn’t the subject of the discussion.
i seriously cannot understand what you’re saying when you’ve got FFVII fanboy cock in your mouth…swallow before you answer this question:
How do you crave with a game?
Hailing it as the greatest game of all time is in the realm of fools. While it’s true that Square only cares about making a buck, this isn’t the subject of the discussion.
They why, pray tell is it not an RPG?, it got popular cos it was good and in your heart of hearts you know it is. I`m not gonna hail it as the best game of all time cos clearly that was Resident Evil 2.
If it`s not an RPG than what is it?, a fucking driving game?, you really do spout off some shit.
I don`t know why your moaning about the whiny, teen angst internet society cos after reading your posts, it seems your clearly a member.
…and if you think that you’re in any position to speak for the rest of the world about the quality of this crappy mediocre game, then you’re out of your fucking mind…if you have any at all.
You also fail at ad hominem attacks, which places you on the "sun-baked whale cum" level of stupidity, which would make your mother want to abort you before you got the chance to breathe if she only knew.
….keep going i like it!!
…and if you think that you’re in any position to speak for the rest of the world about the quality of this crappy mediocre game, then you’re out of your fucking mind…if you have any at all.
You also fail at ad hominem attacks, which places you on the "sun-baked whale cum" level of stupidity, which would make your mother want to abort you before you got the chance to breathe if she only knew.
No, I`m not speakling for the rest of the world and neither are you. Like anyone in this world even gives a shit who you are and what your invalid opinions are.
You should be glad clairvoyancy isn’t a skill humans have, there’s no other way to explain you existing this long without being aborted.
there is…it’s called Liberalism
were it left to others, he would have been put out of his misery and his parents slapped for spawning such a travesty
You should be glad clairvoyancy isn’t a skill humans have, there’s no other way to explain you existing this long without being aborted.
Are you speaking for yourself?, or the rest of the world?
I think your speaking for a handful of agorophobic, weak willed little internet shits like yourself. I`m kinda glad you`ll probably never breed cos one of you is enough.
It is really lame that the wittiest comeback you can arrive at is to mock someones spelling, try harder next time.
I is disapointed at you.
Also, learn to read nigger. Not only am I mocking your spelling, I am mocking your horrible lack of literacy, genetically-stunted intelligence and emotionally stunted reactions to our previous mocking, not to mention your pathetic use of ad hominems as your only defense.
I give a shit. ^____^
Also, fix’d invalid to valid.
Can we petition for all the remake retards to be muzzled and kept away from any and/or all computers?
I second this motion!
Also, learn to read nigger. Not only am I mocking your spelling, I am mocking your horrible lack of literacy, genetically-stunted intelligence and emotionally stunted reactions to our previous mocking, not to mention your pathetic use of ad hominems as your only defense.
Like it really matters that I do it all the time, do the veins on your temple throb everytime you see it?
Does it upset you so much that you have to waste your time correcting it?, do you really have to put so much thought and effort into it like your fucking life depends on it.
Why don`t you try and get a life?
Like the spelling and illiteracy is so bad that you can`t read it.
Does it really matter?, does it?
Cos if it does then your sadder than I thought.
Lollin, seriously lollin.
Kill yourself and give everyone some peace.
FF7 is not an RPG. FF7 is not the best game ever. Now run along, so you don’t waste all the stupid in the universe.
See this is the point of this whole she-bang.
Leave my punctuation and spelling alone and just acknowledge what it is that I am saying.
This is a debate forum for people to debate what they do and don`t like in the Final Fantasy games. I shall accept yours and everyone elses opinions on these games but what I don`t want is people trying to change my views and opinions to yours or every fucker elses.
What would be the point if we all thought the same like some sort of hive mind.
Your views, I don`t agree with but so what.
See this is the point of this whole she-bang.
Leave my punctuation and spelling alone and just acknowledge what it is that I am saying.
This is a debate forum for people to debate what they do and don`t like in the Final Fantasy games. I shall accept yours and everyone elses opinions on these games but what I don`t want is people trying to change my views and opinions to yours or every fucker elses.
What would be the point if we all thought the same like some sort of hive mind.
Your views, I don`t agree with but so what.
Aww, I’m flattered. Seriously. Your opinion is wrong, by the way. Now make like a paraplegic and run along.
Touch a nerve did I?, you ever hear of freedom of speech?
Just ignore me and go someplace else.
Just ignore me and go someplace else.
Don’t get arrogant. I’m fairly certain you’ve shown no cause to think as such… We can’t help it you’re a moron. But it’s a fact of life I suppose we all must deal with. Morons come and morons go. But look on the bright side. There is actually someone on these forums more inept in intelligence than you are. So, you do have that going for you. But, you’re gaining ground…
But yet I am still talking, curiouser and curiouser.
That lack of freedom of speech on the internet must`ve been a lie.
That lack of freedom of speech on the internet must`ve been a lie.
Congratulations, you’ve gained ground, by saying ‘curiouser’ twice in the same post.
Thanks, you know, you may be one hell of an arrogant twat who spouts endless reems of bullshit but at least your likeable.
Well, I am an arrogant twat, LOL. But my high level of intelligence combined with my utter contempt for your stupidity sort of gives me the right. So… Geez, thanks man!
You don`t want arrogance and contempt. It`s that sort of shit that makes people not like you.
People like me just fine. Then again, the people who like me tend to have legitimately survived Natural Selection, so… I can’t speak for folks like you, I honestly wouldn’t know.
That`s fair enough, I don`t want to make any of this personal cos I already did that earlier with Joan Michele but only cos she/he got personal first.
What really is the point?, we`re all the same technically anyway. I can`t really be arsed arguing anyways.
yeah…i should get my friend’s horse to ass rape him just to shut his fuckin’ mouth up
hey Manga Legend, you’re only a legend in your own mind…so go spout your useless dribble somewhere else
not Manga Legend, his physical capabilities are too low even for the Special Olympics
Mmmmhmm….
But I can’t say that you haven’t been doing the same, either.
Though there are insults thrown into his posts, the point of all of his posts were "Leave me alone".
So you guys are talking to each other, but neither of you are listening to one another….
That’s why it’s an argument….
That’s what an argument is.
But I can’t say that you haven’t been doing the same, either.
Though there are insults thrown into his posts, the point of all of his posts were "Leave me alone".
So you guys are talking to each other, but neither of you are listening to one another….
That’s why it’s an argument….
That’s what an argument is.
dude…you need to get a reality check here…he sounds more like a whiny bitch getting gangbanged than someone who’s saying "leave me alone"
one more thing Norse…an argument is where you present evidence to support your claims in a logical and orderly fashion…the word you’re looking for is quarrel
and if Manga Legend wanted to be left alone, he’d post something that something along the lines of "leave me alone"…instead of attacking back on other posters
and if Manga Legend wanted to be left alone, he’d post something that something along the lines of "leave me alone"…instead of attacking back on other posters
XD
I’m female… >> But that wasn’t the point–
Mm, he is being insulting to you guys, too…>< So it’s understandable that you guys are arguing back….
I can’t expect you guys to just "take" the insults either.
But this has to be resolved some way…! Maybe…this is what passes your time….
But I can’t sit by and watch people when they’re trying to express themselves, but can’t, when they’re drowning themselves out with their own insults….><
In every post, past all the insults, is a message they want to communicate. Manga Legend, and you guys both have something you really do want to tell the other side, excluding all the insults….the insults are getting in the way of the message, though….
But I can’t say that you haven’t been doing the same, either.
Though there are insults thrown into his posts, the point of all of his posts were "Leave me alone".
So you guys are talking to each other, but neither of you are listening to one another….
That’s why it’s an argument….
That’s what an argument is.
Nothing’s gone over my head. I’m fully aware of his point. The difference is, I don’t care… LOL… He has repetedly shown that he cares about what we’re all saying. That’s what makes him even more funny than he even should be given credit for. Well, that, and his intellect is that of a low-IQ chimpanzee.
Lol. FTW.
Did I say they should remake FF IX?, musta done if this guy is quoting it back to me.
I`ll take that back cos it was shit to start with.
Krellian, your fully aware of my point, remind me what it was.
here’s your post buddy
And personal? Ha! You barely even nicked the surface!
And NorseFTX, quit being a pussy.
And personal? Ha! You barely even nicked the surface!
And NorseFTX, quit being a pussy.
Why do you have to be such a nasty, bitter, twisted, wreck of a human being?.
Why do you have to constantly belittle everyone on here just cos they don`t agree with your fucked up views?.
You are just a waste of time.
Pardon me.
Nothing’s gone over my head. I’m fully aware of his point. The difference is, I don’t care… LOL… He has repetedly shown that he cares about what we’re all saying. That’s what makes him even more funny than he even should be given credit for. Well, that, and his intellect is that of a low-IQ chimpanzee.
Yes, that’s my point!
He does care what you think about him.
And you don’t care….right….? You don’t listen to him, even though he’s listening to you.
But then…why were you continuing to talk to him?
If you’re still talking…there’s something you do care about that’s happening, whether it’s being impressive and giving "public service" for "ownage" of this person that you claim has "utter stupidity".
I don’t think that showing that you’re better than someone that you claim is horribly idiotic or stupid is anything impressive…
You’re…showcasing that you’re more intelligent than a stupid person…
Also, get your pronouns right, dumbass. You =/= everyone.
I also keep thinking Joan-Michele is female.
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Are you?
I’m in no obligation whatsoever to entertain your delicate sense of humour, I do it for personal amusement. (That previous message was addressed to Manga Nigger BTW.) Moreover, your useage of the posessive "your" instead of the contraction of "you" and "are", "you’re" makes you quite lacking in credibility.
So yeah, insert more coins and try again.
Norse : Yes.
I’m female, too…XD
You reminded me of someone else I know….
But alright! Back to the argument.
"Credibility" and correct grammar do not hold on the same level–
Messages have meanings…regardless of grammar or spelling. Correct grammar and spelling were standardized in order to help others understand what another means…but it also makes the message easier for the reader to read through, and may also reflect on the writer’s writing-skill….
But grammar and spelling isn’t the only factor to determine intelligence!
So this started when Manga Legend talked about how FFVII was actually a great RPG, and that the comments on its mediocrity and how it’s "selling too well" don’t matter….
And then…
Joan-Michele replied with saying that it wasn’t great or brilliant, and that it only was popular because it appealed to the ‘lowest common denominator’….
I think there is greatness in a game’s ability to appeal to a wide audience.
Not every game should be a treat for the critics. Though those games usually are the most deep, and by a critical eye, the highest quality…the depth of some may drive many people away. You may say that they’re too simple-minded or dumb to appreciate it…and that may be true….
But a game that’s only "elitist" or "esoteric" isn’t a very flexible game.
That’s why Google is so wonderful! It’s very simple…but the creator’s somewhere in the billions or so….
So this started when Manga Legend talked about how FFVII was actually a great RPG, and that the comments on its mediocrity and how it’s "selling too well" don’t matter….
And then…
Joan-Michele replied with saying that it wasn’t great or brilliant, and that it only was popular because it appealed to the ‘lowest common denominator’….
I think there is greatness in a game’s ability to appeal to a wide audience.
Not every game should be a treat for the critics. Though those games usually are the most deep, and by a critical eye, the highest quality…the depth of some may drive many people away. You may say that they’re too simple-minded or dumb to appreciate it…and that may be true….
But a game that’s only "elitist" or "esoteric" isn’t a very flexible game.
That’s why Google is so wonderful! It’s very simple…but the creator’s somewhere in the billions or so….
Excellent. An A+ for you:smrt:
You seem to be doing a good job at it, you have made 1,889 so far.
If memory serves, I haven’t had the honour yet… so I’m still a newbie.
Your time will come then just pretend to care, I think it makes her feel better.
If memory serves, I haven’t had the honour yet… so I’m still a newbie.
Not strictly true..to be fully fledged youd probably have to kiss a few assess as opposed to whooping a few…
what do you define as fully fledged? over 1000 posts? Respect?…all have to be done by the person doing the posting really doesnt it? To be fully fledged in this scenario…one would have two choices…
a) admit that the posts were utter crap – and has been since about 5 pages ago….then scurry off and post more crap elsewhere
OR
b) Tell everybody to hold hands…bend over and take it like a real man…
…btw – i was very bored when i wrote this…….veeeerrry bored!
Norse got it right, and it’s a sad paradigm of the dwindling intelligence and taste in the gaming industry.
I remembered back in the days when sales reflected on the overall quality of the games. Today, we still get idiots hailing FF7 as the greatest game of all time without paying so much as a word of honor towards games with much better design, execution and implementation. Games like Legend of Legaia, Vagrant Story, Star Ocean 2, Tales of Eternia, Grandia are all examples of games that are clearly superior in every way when compared to FF7. (Well, I wouldn’t say that about Legend of Legaia’s craphics.) I’d go so far as to say that even Beyond the Beyond, of all games, is superior in quality to FF7.
really sorry but Manga has started something now – to make the above statement true…hes gonna have to do a shit load of editing….i wonder if he can?!?!
Top of my game, lay off the caps lock.
what do you define as fully fledged? over 1000 posts? Respect?…all have to be done by the person doing the posting really doesnt it? To be fully fledged in this scenario…one would have two choices…
a) admit that the posts were utter crap – and has been since about 5 pages ago….then scurry off and post more crap elsewhere
OR
b) Tell everybody to hold hands…bend over and take it like a real man…
…btw – i was very bored when i wrote this…….veeeerrry bored!
This place is turning more into a popularity contest every day….
Norse got it right, and it’s a sad paradigm of the dwindling intelligence and taste in the gaming industry.
I remembered back in the days when sales reflected on the overall quality of the games. Today, we still get idiots hailing FF7 as the greatest game of all time without paying so much as a word of honor towards games with much better design, execution and implementation. Games like Legend of Legaia, Vagrant Story, Star Ocean 2, Tales of Eternia, Grandia are all examples of games that are clearly superior in every way when compared to FF7. (Well, I wouldn’t say that about Legend of Legaia’s craphics.) I’d go so far as to say that even Beyond the Beyond, of all games, is superior in quality to FF7.
You really do love yourself don`t you?, was Vagrant Story actually any good then??
dude…note the sarcasm in his thread
You really do love yourself don`t you?, was Vagrant Story actually any good then??
vagrant story was a good game…as were Star Ocean 2, Valkyrie Profile, and Grandia (all of which were superior to FF7 in terms of gameplay, story, graphics, and music)
Take that back, probably will play Vagrant Story at some point.
But I’m the kind that gets obsessed over any sort of weapon-system in any kind of game…
KEKEKE
I’ve spent 4 of my 10 hours so far trying out different weapon combinations… >=]
But I think I know what you mean, Manga Legend–
The success of simple games isn’t something that someone needs to be sad about. I think it’s wonderful, that a game is able to touch so many people…
But I’m the kind that gets obsessed over any sort of weapon-system in any kind of game…
KEKEKE
I’ve spent 4 of my 10 hours so far trying out different weapon combinations… >=]
But I think I know what you mean, Manga Legend–
The success of simple games isn’t something that someone needs to be sad about. I think it’s wonderful, that a game is able to touch so many people…
Was gonna play that game when it was new but it kinda slipped under my radar a tad.
Oh. Oops. I feel bad.
…
Oh…uhm…but if you were being sarcastic….
Shame on you!
true….
….true
Yes, it’s basically Secret of Mana, hopped on steroids. It’s complicated, action-oriented, requires on-the-fly-strategic thinking and it’s challenging.
Legend of Legaia is the first game that utilizes the CBS engine for gameplay. It also features the innovative combo system in which Arts can be learned. The basic arts are learned, while the more powerful arts are discovered by trial-and-error. The enemies are also quite tough, but not unbeatable.
Star Ocean 2 has action-oriented chaotic battles that would blow away anyone who isn’t used to the system. In addition to that, a storyline that varies on a lot of player decisions. Private actions which can unlock characters, items and quests. There’s also a skills system which is quite complex and can affect a lot of aspects of gameplay and item creation, which is another unique feature.
Grandia has a very endearing storyline with quite a few twists and a good share of amusing moments. The battle system features a lot of strategy, placement and timing and it plays out in real-time. The weapon and magic building system, although somewhat broken, is a pretty damn good idea which I am sad to see gone in the later games.
Tales of Eternia is an example of a game that is done well, and almost entirely in 2-D. It features a lot of design implementations that turned out pretty ace. There’s 3 different ways you can go about learning techs for the characters and only one of them work for each character. Considering that there’s 6 PC’s in the game, you get 2 PC pegged to each skill acquisition method. Well-rounded imo. One of them is fringing, which gives 2 of the characters different skills based on the different combinations of craymels they have, as such, it’s a zero-sum game. Having one Craymel artes available usually meant sacrificing 2 or more other craymel artes. The cooking system is also very well done, it involves the acquisition of recipes from chefs, the purchase of food, and the creation of the dishes. The sucess rate of making a dish depends on the character’s skill in cooking that dish. The sucess rate increases with every attempt, and mastering a certain combination of dishes also means learning a combination dish. The combat system in this game is also it’s high point, it’s side-scrolling, plays like a fighting game, everything is in real time and better performance in battle meant better rewards. The best part is, players can freely switch the difficulty in combat between normal, hard and mania, defeating a boss in mania mode usually means better rewards too. There’s also lots of sidequests that would keep the player occupied outside of following the storyline.
Beyond the Beyond has a timing system which increases or decreases damage from an attack depending on how well the button is timed.
What does FF7 have to offer in terms of gameplay in comparison to that? If you liked FF7 the best then that’s fine, but to place it above the other games in terms of quality is an insult to any self-respecting gamer.
If you’re interested, in any of the above, I can easily set you up with ISO rip torrents of those games for download. You just have to provide the PSX emulator/plugins or CD-Burner/CD-R/Modded PSX yourselves.
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