This thread is created so people do not have to go to different threads to download the set. All the links that have been posted will be posted here. I feel like it'll be of some use/come in handy for downloaders as they'll only have to come to one place to download & uploaders so they will only have to upload to one thread rather than create their own unless of course they want to. But once I find the links, I'll post them here anyway. I'd appreciate of anyone can help with this as I do not visit this site lately as much as I'd like to due to college. Please post in order as I have

All thanks & credit go to the uploaders, not me. SO please give them a proper thank you for their work instead of asking/complaining about anything. If you wanna ask, kindly thank them then kindly ask.

To any uploaders or anyone who reuploads dead links (when there are any): Please upload/reupload here in order as I have. Thank you.

links by bud-arc:

Disc 1: Pee-Wee's Big Adventure - Thread 88145

Disc 4: Edward Scissorhands - Thread 88259

Disc 6: The Nightmare Before Christmas - Thread 88323

Discs 14-17: Exclusive Tracks - Thread 88161

links by konio775:

Disc 1 - Thread 88172

Disc 13: Alice In Wonderland OST) - Thread 88487

my only gripes with the set after waiting so long for one (If I am wrong, please correct me politely. Thank you):
1. No expanded scores.
2. No film version tracks.
3. Corpse Bride is missing.

ENJOY!!!!!


btw, FrankV was kind enough to provide the link to where everything that is on the box set is listed. - http://www.burtonelfman.com/

So if you're wondering anything about the set, please go here before asking as some people apparently have problems with people asking what they can find on the net easily which is a very valid point but not something to have a problem about in my opinion. Yeah that offends me because those people aren't being honest or so it seems as since they talk as if they never asked anything before that they could have easily found the answer to on the net themselves.

If there's something on that site you do not understand, feel free to ask about it here kindly. Thanks FrankV!

You missed Alice, which is posted. I believe it and Nightmare both are expanded.

Alice is there under konio755's links lol.

if i misunderstood by the word "missing", can you specifically said what I missed about Alice?

my only gripes with the set after waiting so long for one (If I am wrong, please correct me politely. Thank you):

1. No expanded scores.
...
3. Corpse Bride is missing.



... Funny, after a glance on the tracklists a few months ago I thought they were all more or less expanded (meaning each disc + the bonus discs).

Alice is substantially expanded. Nightmare too. There is more of the score for nightmare. Sorry, I did not see the Alice link up there.

Alice is substantially expanded. Nightmare too. There is more of the score for nightmare. Sorry, I did not see the Alice link up there.

It's a shame Nightmare was substantially expanded. It wasn't even a favorite of Burton & Elfman's. I was hoping Alice, Batman Returns, and Edward would have been expanded.

It's a shame Nightmare was substantially expanded. It wasn't even a favorite of Burton & Elfman's. I was hoping ... Batman Returns... would have been expanded

>> LLL

Alice does have unreleased tracks, not counting demos. So, it IS expanded....

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But Batman, Batman Returns, and Mars Attacks have all had substantial expanded/complete releases in the last few years. What else did you expect to see on them?

What else did you expect to see on them?

For the very few I heard and checked myself, no clipping would have been the best way to "complete" the music.

All I want to know is what those "worktape" and demo recordings are on Batman and Batman Returns since those are exclusive to this, not on the expanded releases.

Unreleased Alice tracks:

MAIN TITLES/OPENING
ALICE AND MOM/SNIFFING
HATTER RECITAL
BAYARD AND THE WHITE QUEEN
CASTLE PROBLEMS
SAVING THE HATTER
VORPAL SWORD
ALICE REVEALED
EXECUTION
ALICE UNDER PRESSURE
DRAGONS AND SWORDS

All are there, they just are presented as "bonus" tracks, at the end of the album. I want to know if anyone knows the film order of the tracks, including these?

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All I want to know is what those "worktape" and demo recordings are on Batman and Batman Returns since those are exclusive to this, not on the expanded releases.

From what i have been told, they are exactly what they sound like, demo versions of the score. I was offered links, but did not dl them, as there is no new score...finished score, anyway.

@ Ariel..I hear you, but I think that this is the new standard for albums these days, unfortunate though that is.

I haven't looked carefully on this set, but aren't all these scores at least expanded at some point, that is with more music than the original soundtrack release, or there are some scores that have exactly the same music included first in the original album?

The demos are demos. Things composed on Danny Elfman's personal system without the use of additional musicians. Some are quite elaborate, some sound like noodling with a Casio. One of them actually begins with Elfman humming the tune. They're for completists. All of them are expanded over their original releases. Corpse Bride was part of the set and will turn up eventually.
JonC

Batman, Batman Returns are the same. On Batman, one track is labeled differently, attack of The batwing or something, but it is said to be the same run time as LLL's Batwing II/III. Mars Attacks apparently has one track thatis more film version, than the earlier release, but that's it. I can't speak to the others. Most of them do have demo tracks and stuff.

Yea, Bud-Arc has not posted it all yet. He may not. He seems...conflicted. Just give it time. Let him enjoy his treasure.

For Batman & Batman Returns, the LaLaLand are the way to go: very well managed (excepted for the sound of four tracks on Batman CD1), and may I ask: where you've seen elsewhere than the LLL Batman that both album masters and filmixes are presented ? Nowhere I guess. And the BR source is 1st choice: the original digital recording. You just can't ask more. These LLL releases are 1st class and I thank this forum for having brought these to my knowledge !

Ok. I gave a quick look at the tracklist on soundtrackcollector and all the scores are marked with previously unreleased tracks. I think it's safe to assume that they are all expanded.

Danny Elfman & Tim Burton 25th Anniversary Music Box, The- Soundtrack details - SoundtrackCollector.com (http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=92155)



For Batman & Batman Returns, the LaLaLand are the way to go: very well managed (excepted for the sound of four tracks on Batman CD1), and may I ask: where you've seen elsewhere than the LLL Batman that both album masters and filmixes are presented ? Nowhere I guess. And the BR source is 1st choice: the original digital recording. You just can't ask more. These LLL releases are 1st class and I thank this forum for having brought these to my knowledge !

Agree, LLL soundtrack versions of Batman & Batman Returns are the definitive editions, and i would add Mars Attacks as well.

Yes, but i am telling you, Sanico, that the only "unreleased" music from Batman Returns are the work tapes and demos. As for batman, attack of the batwing is listed as expanded and unreleased, but it is two tracks from lll, edited together, and again, demos and work tapes. I have talked to Bud-Arc and others, this seems confirmed.

I hope those Batman and Batman Returns worktape / demo tracks make it out because (I think) they're important from a historical point. That old story of Elfman humming the Batman theme into a recorder during a flight, it's funny and significant. Not sure if that's included but regardless those are still interesting.

Agree, LLL soundtrack versions of Batman & Batman Returns are the definitive editions, and i would add Mars Attacks as well.

Now I must say I love "Mars Attacks!" score and is of the rare ones from Elfman I'm still listening (OST), and I have been very curious about the LLL release. I wanted to download it to have an idea but each time the LLL expanded of it is presented somewhere you find what seems to be the Red Planet record. I already ripped the DVD score, and even with some EQs revision it's not that great...

For the very few I heard and checked myself, no clipping would have been the best way to "complete" the music.

The only clipping I heard was in the main titles song for Batman. The sources for the film version may not have been damaged at that slight point. Also, the track "Charge of the Batmobile" on disc 1 of the LLLR set is actually the original album version. The actual film version is programmed at the end of the second disc. The quality is obviously different but it blended with the sound of the sources used for disc 1.

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Now I must say I love "Mars Attacks!" score and is of the rare ones from Elfman I'm still listening (OST), and I have been very curious about the LLL release. I wanted to download it to have an idea but each time the LLL expanded of it is presented somewhere you find what seems to be the Red Planet record. I already ripped the DVD score, and even with some EQs revision it's not that great...


Also, the Mars Attacks album is expanded based on the tracklisting. The entire film version of the landing and first attack sequence is apparently there despite being trimmed down heavily on all album releases so far. Only time will tell though.

hey phenomangel , u forgot to add Beetlejuice to the list . here's the link

Thread 88415

Is that from the new set? And what is the bit rate?

yup , it's from the box set + the uploader custom rip . the bit rate for the box set is 320kbps while the custom rip is 192kbps

When I heard this I was expecting "Alice Decides" Track to sound like the film version since I like that One more. -Sigh.- Can't get what you want i guess.

@ezanie: thanks for Beetlejuice. Didn't see it on the forum. Either it wasn't posted at the time, just posted or I don't know lol.

Are any unreleased tracks from any OSTs heard in the respective films?

I'm nit surprised NBC is substantially expanded. May not be a favorite of Elfman/Burton but the film & music is popular among fans so I guess it was expanded 4 them which is nice.

Am I right about Corpse Bride - that it's missing from the box set? If it is there, is it expanded?

Am I right about Corpse Bride - that it's missing from the box set? If it is there, is it expanded?
No, you're wrong. It's included and includes 9 unreleased tracks and 3 demo and work tape tracks. It also includes the piano cues without dialogue. BTW, if you want to know what's included on the set go to The Danny Elfman & Tim Burton 25th Anniversary Music Box (http://www.burtonelfman.com).

I'm surprised at the level of confusion over this re: expanded/not expanded and what is/isn't included. All info is and has been present on burtonelfman.com for months now. Everyone who's unsure, go look it up. You're using the internet to be here on this board, use it to do a little research.

I'm surprised at the level of confusion over this re: expanded/not expanded and what is/isn't included. All info is and has been present on burtonelfman.com for months now. Everyone who's unsure, go look it up. You're using the internet to be here on this board, use it to do a little research.


I'm not surprised that someone who decided to make such a thread doesn't know a damn thing about it ...

... Actually I'm rather f*cking amazed !!!

That's one more "Giv'me giv'me giv'me" thread ! I hope the owners of the box will keep their stuff for long, even though I'll be delighted when I'll be able to reach the Nightmare Before Christmas instrumental tracks in Flac.


(* Yeah, a little censor as it seems there are a lot of children around)

The only clipping I heard was in the main titles song for Batman. The sources for the film version may not have been damaged at that slight point. Also, the track "Charge of the Batmobile" on disc 1 of the LLLR set is actually the original album version. The actual film version is programmed at the end of the second disc. The quality is obviously different but it blended with the sound of the sources used for disc 1.

Hey man, speaking about clipping I was talking about this current music box:

The 4 first track I checked on the bonus disc (n�17) when it was posted on this site were all damaged with huge clipping. It sounded seductive, but not that great, due to that I guess.

Hey man, speaking about clipping I was talking about this current music box:

The 4 first track I checked on the bonus disc (n�17) when it was posted on this site were all damaged with huge clipping. It sounded seductive, but not that great, due to that I guess.





Really? I never noticed. I'll check it.

Really? I never noticed. I'll check it.

At first Glance, Nightmare before Christmas doesn't look all good neither... It looks mostly compressed and a closer look show some clippings, not as much as it looks from here, but it has anyway.

(right click + show image)

I've seen the the clipping word on this thread more than once. In terms of this box set, what does the word mean? Whether it's a good or bad thing & i;m thinking it may be bad, hopefully it is not on the entire box set.

@Arial: I created this thread & the ''That's one more "Giv'me giv'me giv'me" thread'' sounds like creating this thread was wrong because I just wanna receive everything on one site. If you read the top of the first page, you'll see that's not the case as I already got this box set ordered for my bday by 2 close friends who combined their hard earned cash of theirs for me which I am very appreciative of therefore I do not need to download it. In return, I am spending my hard earned cash on them for their bday which is coming up shortly. My point here is that I do not take take take or ask to be given given given. I know uploading & reuploading is a lot of work. And I thank everyone who does (as I also stated on top of the first page) or say I understand if they can't. So if you felt like I was just demanding to be given everything on one thread to make it easy on myself as I'd only have to go to one place for everything, I hope I have cleared it up & convince you that you misunderstood & are wrong.

On the other hand, if you didn't mean anything mean by it, then I have nothing to be upset about & we have no problems.

@RottingApples and Arial: And we ask for help because we're allowed to. There's no law or rule on this site that states we can't. And it's not harmful to ask nor is it causing trouble so what's the problem with asking? I'm surprised by that comment seeing as how you have probably asked questions before that you could have easily found the answers to on the internet. If you say you never have then I'd bet you're lying because honestly, who hasn't done that at least once or twice if not more? So why are you goin around making a comment like that? Just so you know, there are people who'll be offended by that comment and this thread was NOT created for problems. Again, just so you know. And I'm not saying your point is wrong. It's a valid one. But you talk as if you've never done it before.

I've seen the the clipping word on this thread more than once. In terms of this box set, what does the word mean? Whether it's a good or bad thing & i;m thinking it may be bad, hopefully it is not on the entire box set.



Basically what clipping means, if you see the pics above, the peaks appear to be clipped at the top to where they all look even (pay careful attention and you'll notice the higher peaks kind of clip off and look kind of flat at the tops). People speak of it as if it's the worst thing in existence but really there is no real significant problem with it unless you have a good enough ear to be able to tell. It doesn't sound as good as sound bootleg recording sessions or expanded scores where the peaks and all remain untouched and the peaks all kind of have spikes at the ends of them rather than dull edges. It's a common thing they do with most albums for quite a few years but honestly unless you have something to compare it to, you won't notice the difference AT ALL. Same with lossless. If you compare a 320kbps MP3 to lossless you really won't notice anything but the bass sounding a bit cleaner. I can tell the difference but it's just not really that distracting to me.

Really? I thought lossless meant more than that. I thought lossless meant just that, lossless quality. I thought it was like having the actual cd in terms of quality w/o having the physical disc.

My ears are good so i'll def notice.

I'll read up on peaks & clipping to lean more cuz I ave no idea what you're talking about. Appreciate the info though so thanks for it.

That iS what lossless is. And if you have even decent equipment and ears, you can notice. I can't play FLAC, as I mostly listen on cheapie headphones via the ipod. So, for me, 320 will do fine. But yea, lossless is pretty much the disc.

Yea but you can have lossless music on your ipod like I do via the WAV format. It does take up a lot of space though but for my 160gb ipod, not a big deal as I'm getting lossless. Apple Lossless is obviously as the name suggests also lossless & takes up less space that WAV so......

but if you have cheapie headphones, doubt you'll notice.

you can ebay or amazon decent headphones at decent prices. I got the Sony street style neck band headphones which are great considering the price. Got em a year ago on ebay so don't remember price exactly. Around $16 or $20 I think????

my insulin is 25 a bottle, I need at least three. Can't afford that, so my little cheapies have to do. I know wav will play, but too much room for too little difference on my stuff. Plus, I take frequent trips to the hospital, for 5 or so days at a time. So I keep as much loaded on the ipod as possible, and keep it charged, as it is my life-line there. I carry bits of all of you with me...:D

Clipping is something that happens when you're mastering too loud. It started happening alot since the loudness war. Companies want their cd's to be mastered at the loudest volume possible but sometimes they go over the normal sound limit and you'll get clipping on tracks. The audio will sound distorted at some points and it might not be correctable with replaygain.

Dunno if that made any sense.

''my insulin is 25 a bottle, I need at least three.''

''it is my life-line there.''

''I carry bits of all of you with me''

sorry but huh (to all 3) lol??!!

i am diabetic, and take insulin which is expensive. I cannot afford it, so I really can't spend on good headphones.

While in hospital, I listen to the ipod, it gets me through while there.

As most of my music I have loaded was given to me here, I have a little of all of you with me....

i am diabetic, and take insulin which is expensive. I cannot afford it, so I really can't spend on good headphones.

While in hospital, I listen to the ipod, it gets me through while there.

As most of my music I have loaded was given to me here, I have a little of all of you with me....Well good news is, you probably won't need any expensive headphones, as most people won't hear the difference between lossy and lossless.

If you'd hear the difference, then it's probably not that much. Most people can only hear the difference between 128kbps and 320kbps. Anything above 128kbps is meant to be transparant and most people are totally fine with the settings vbr -v2.

So yeah, I wouldn't even recommend buying expensive headphones. Just save it for an external hd or something more useful.

If you want lossless music on your iPods, use Apple Lossless instead of WAV. smaller files for the iPod that way.

Clipping is something that happens when you're mastering too loud. It started happening alot since the loudness war. Companies want their cd's to be mastered at the loudest volume possible but sometimes they go over the normal sound limit and you'll get clipping on tracks. The audio will sound distorted at some points and it might not be correctable with replaygain.

Dunno if that made any sense.

I love your depiction of the loudness war. This is just that !

About the "lossless" or not deal, lossless is called such for everything that hasn't been compressed to lower bitrate or amator's tinkering.

... However, between a hugely compressed and boosted (and clipped) release � la Varese, and a mp3 promo version of the same release with no mastering messing up, I sometime wonder wich is the more lossless !

Would be cool on this forum to have a technical sticky thread to figure out the REAL quality of the releases.

The LLL release of Batman was short-changed ever-so-slightly:

"Joker Flies to Gotham / Batwing I" is the complete cue on this box set while the LLL version simply fades out like in the film.

The LLL release of Batman was short-changed ever-so-slightly:

"Joker Flies to Gotham / Batwing I" is the complete cue on this box set while the LLL version simply fades out like in the film.

Really? No shit! Now I have to download this... I always loved that cue and was fairly disappointed to find it faded out like that on the LLL release. Thanks for the DL!

It doesn't really continue long after, but it does have an actual ending to it.

It doesn't really continue long after, but it does have an actual ending to it.

Hey yeah, just an actual ending will be awesome. I'm not big on film score cues that fade out.

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The LLL release of Batman was short-changed ever-so-slightly:

"Joker Flies to Gotham / Batwing I" is the complete cue on this box set while the LLL version simply fades out like in the film.

Now that I think about it, the LLL release wasn't really short-changed. It is, after all, a representation of the "film mix". In the film it DOES fade out (into Princes "Trust" IIRC). It's a minor, yet important distinction.

yeah, I had to say "ever so slightly" because it's really minor, but I remember them saying they had to actually use the film mix of the cue with the missing ending because it was all they could use - listen closely to the ending of this version and you'll notice the snare drums suddenly shift to the left, meaning it was tacked on.

listen closely to the ending of this version and you'll notice the snare drums suddenly shift to the left, meaning it was tacked on.
I did notice that actually... just a few moments ago while converting it to AAC on my iTunes.

i am diabetic, and take insulin which is expensive. I cannot afford it, so I really can't spend on good headphones.

sorry 2 hear that. yeah medicine is expensive. my thoughts are with you. my dad is too.

While in hospital, I listen to the ipod, it gets me through while there.

thats good. just don't charge too much. ipods have lithium batteries that will die sooner or later but the more u charge, the more you're killing your battery and thus, the sooner your ipod will die.

tips for saving ipod battery:

1. do not charge often 0 its almost like overcharging.

2. do not overcharge - as it esceed the time. in other words, if you have a 160gb like me, it takes 4hrs to completely charge. if you're ipod is connected to the cpu over 4hrs, it's overcharging.

3. create playlists - doing so will mean u don't have to browse for a certain song or songs. this will give u something fun to do at the hospital (in addition to listening to music)

4. don't shuffle - this overworks the ipod thus drain batteries.

5. backlight should not be on much - in the options menu, my backlight is set to 2 seconds. idk how it saves battery, but it definitely does.

6. the more brightness u have, the more the battery drains. don't put brightness high unless u need to. leave it at 50 at the highest whenever u can.

7. don't rewind or fast forward through a song or from song to song.

8, don't overuse. this one should be obvious. the more its used, quicker it'll die.

on my first ipod, i was really careless with saving the battery. i didnt know there was any way to save it from draining. now i know why it died so fast. it got stolen. now with my second one, im more careful about the battery and use all the tips above & it helps a lot. doesn't die as fast as my old one did. it lasts a lot longer. i mean A LOT LONGER.

As most of my music I have loaded was given to me here, I have a little of all of you with me....

wow. thats awesome lol!

Thanks so much for everyone's hard work on this thread

I have 2 Ipod's in my two vehicles that are both hooked up to Alpine Head Units, they display the artwork and all the file information in color on the screen.
I only take them out if I want to delete music or add music, been doing that for three years or so and haven't noticed any problems with battery life etc.
I use a cheapo Sansa MP3 player when I am inline skating or listening to OTR at night as I go to sleep.

I find if funny that so many of you use iTunes and yet still claim to care about audio quality.

... And the music industry find it convenient.

I don't use Itunes, I do however use Ipods, I could care less about FLAC~Ape and other Lossless formats but anything under at least 192Kbps is brutal.
That being said I don't listen through headphones, my Alpine units in my cars have 24-bit Burr Brown DAC's which brings a bit more life to the music.
When I stream from my PC to my home stereo the sound is great too.

I find if funny that so many of you use iTunes and yet still claim to care about audio quality.

You'll have to explain that, because iTunes is a program, not a file format. It can play WAV just as easily as it can mp3.

Hey yeah, just an actual ending will be awesome. I'm not big on film score cues that fade out.

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Now that I think about it, the LLL release wasn't really short-changed. It is, after all, a representation of the "film mix". In the film it DOES fade out (into Princes "Trust" IIRC). It's a minor, yet important distinction.

According to the track title in the archive of this set t's an unused cue so the fading would not reflect the film version either way. Either way, the fading out at the end always did kind of annoy me.

According to the track title in the archive of this set t's an unused cue so the fading would not reflect the film version either way. Either way, the fading out at the end always did kind of annoy me.

Actually, the "Joker flies to Gotham" part of is unused, not the "Batwing" section. It was only dialed out so the Prince song "Trust" could finish in the following scene.

Quality...

Here again, the Batman from the box is too loud (wich happens to create a certain loss of dynamic range, trust me)


Shot 1: the LLL versions of the Main Title (CD1 above, CD2 below)... And the CD1 version is already too loud for my taste.




The Box's version (wich I qualify for myself as "unlistenable")




...

See also how all is at the same level on the box version, when there's so much variations on the LLL ones. Silence is part of the music remember.
... Without it, it's all noise.

You'll have to explain that, because iTunes is a program, not a file format. It can play WAV just as easily as it can mp3.

Yup! Whever there's an album I want in Apple Lossless (which plays on iPods!) I turn it from FLAC to WAV so that I can upload to iTunes, then I just convert to Apple Lossless. As for the comment on the irony of iTunes users and quality, I prefer to download lossless because it doesn't create those 0.5 second gaps that ripping in MP3 does. For example, there's two gapless tracks on the Edward Scissorhands score that were ripped in MP3, but because they were ripped that way, some sound file was eliminated, and they now create a small crack when joined together. Lossless is just easier to manipulate. And it's pretty much the ultimate quality.

According to the track title in the archive of this set t's an unused cue so the fading would not reflect the film version either way. Either way, the fading out at the end always did kind of annoy me.
Partially correct... The first half (The Joker Flies to Gotham) was never used, however, the second part of the track (Batwing I, underscoring the first appearance of the vehicle) was used... and DID fade out in the film.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't notice JHFan beat me to it!

When I heard this I was expecting "Alice Decides" Track to sound like the film version since I like that One more. -Sigh.- Can't get what you want i guess.

This is what I mean by "expanded" lol. Even though Alice was expanded. I just wish they'd include the small cues. And as for Batman Returns, I didn't know the LLC was the most complete set to date (not including the demos). I'm just wondering if it's in the quality of the one on the boxed set (which I would guess is in the best quality, much like the Edward Scissorhands one from the set).

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Yea but you can have lossless music on your ipod like I do via the WAV format. It does take up a lot of space though but for my 160gb ipod, not a big deal as I'm getting lossless. Apple Lossless is obviously as the name suggests also lossless & takes up less space that WAV so......

tips for saving ipod battery:

1. do not charge often 0 its almost like overcharging.

2. do not overcharge - as it esceed the time. in other words, if you have a 160gb like me, it takes 4hrs to completely charge. if you're ipod is connected to the cpu over 4hrs, it's overcharging.

3. create playlists - doing so will mean u don't have to browse for a certain song or songs. this will give u something fun to do at the hospital (in addition to listening to music)

4. don't shuffle - this overworks the ipod thus drain batteries.

5. backlight should not be on much - in the options menu, my backlight is set to 2 seconds. idk how it saves battery, but it definitely does.

6. the more brightness u have, the more the battery drains. don't put brightness high unless u need to. leave it at 50 at the highest whenever u can.

7. don't rewind or fast forward through a song or from song to song.

8, don't overuse. this one should be obvious. the more its used, quicker it'll die.


I SWEAR YOU'RE LIKE ME!! I have a 160GB too, and I rip (some albums) in Apple Lossless. I have 'The Social Network', 'Resident Evil: Afterlife', 'TRON: Legacy', and a few concert albums in Apple Lossless. It's weird because for me, I can definately tell the difference between 320 VBR mp3 and Apple Lossless, like on concerts and 'The Social Network'- and I have the iPod headpones!! I guess it just comes to the ear of the listener.

I keep my backlight at 2 sec. and 0% brightness, and the iPod will last me a week without charging (and I use this A LOT through the day, and I have to scroll over 4165 songs, and rarely watch music videos or TV shows.) Do you know approximately how long an iPod's battery will last until you have to replace it (or buy a new iPod)??

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So I keep as much loaded on the ipod as possible, and keep it charged, as it is my life-line there. I carry bits of all of you with me...:D

Lol, same here! If I forget to bring my iPod to school, I'll just be in a terrible mood. I have to (almost) always have to be listening to it.

Vogue88, take it from one whom owns it... The LaLaLand release of Batman Returns is THE definitive release. The sound is extraordinary, as is the composition itself.

This recent release from the Music Box is merely a remastered edition of the original 1992 OST with a sprinkling of (hardly worthy) "bonus cues". Get the LLL version for the complete score AND the best sounding version.

Vogue88, take it from one whom owns it... The LaLaLand release of Batman Returns is THE definitive release. The sound is extraordinary, as is the composition itself.

This recent release from the Music Box is merely a remastered edition of the original 1992 OST with a sprinkling of (hardly worthy) "bonus cues". Get the LLL version for the complete score AND the best sounding version.

I got it :) I kinda reworked it so that it features the theme, and mostly tracks where Catwoman is featured (seeing as she's the second most reason as to why I love this film, the first being that it's a dark Burton film with an Elfman collab). I just didn't know the quality differences (seeing as the Box is newer, I thought it'd be further re-mastered). Do you have any of the bonus tracks (from the box?). In the end, I guess that's all I care about from this box: Unreleased tracks.

I got it :) I kinda reworked it so that it features the theme, and mostly tracks where Catwoman is featured (seeing as she's the second most reason as to why I love this film, the first being that it's a dark Burton film with an Elfman collab). I just didn't know the quality differences (seeing as the Box is newer, I thought it'd be further re-mastered). Do you have any of the bonus tracks (from the box?). In the end, I guess that's all I care about from this box: Unreleased tracks.
Well, as far as I can tell the new disc sounds as good as the LLL tracks. And really you can only "remaster" so far.

And yes I do have the bonus tracks from the Music Box. There are threads containing links to downloads of each disc here in this forum silly!

Well, as far as I can tell the new disc sounds as good as the LLL tracks. And really you can only "remaster" so far.

My biggest surprise came when listening to some of the bonus tracks on the Batman disc from the box set and noticing how they cleaned up alot of the hiss but because the volume is jacked up, some dynamic range is lost.

On a side note, since the first 1000 or so orders made for the box set you got the limited edition for 500. You would think since the limited edition is sold out and they are still giving those who wanna buy a chance to get it, they knock down the price considerably since it would still be limited but just as kind of a second chance offer without the fancy limited edition numbering.

I cannot be sure the specifics of how the deal was structured, but limited editions are not about being dicks to music lovers.

It's a very complicated legal problem, involving royalties to dozens, if not hundreds of musicians, as well as music publication rights scattered across many studios and music publishers. The gist is the only way to get a project like this to work at all is to guarantee that it will be released in limited numbers for die hard collectors. To issue it larger numbers, certainly to issue it in larger numbers than originally agreed upon, would trigger a series of legal and financial complications that would make the set impractical.

As for the remastering, newer is not always better. There have been many complaints about mastering issues of re-releases, including the Star Wars Anthology, the 1997 Star Wars CDs, the 25th Anniversary Battlestar Galactica, and so on. (The first Beatles CD's for that matter.) Arial has printed specific wave comparisons, which shows that the volume on the box set hasn't just been boosted, it's been blown through the roof. I do not consider myself to be a high level audiophile, but even before his posts I had noticed that, compared with the earlier releases of the same tracks, the box set versions seemed to be...off.

What is clear in reading the discussions of such matters is that there is a lot of cross talk, miscommunication and general ignorance. It will probably be months before a definitive analysis of the box set's pros and cons appears. (It might be out already - see above, general ignorance.)
JonC

Word!/\/\/\

...I do not consider myself to be a high level audiophile, but even before his posts I had noticed that, compared with the earlier releases of the same tracks, the box set versions seemed to be...off.

That's what amazes me the most: there's really no need to be a hard audiophile to appreciate sound quality in general. We can only hope people to take care educating their ears more with time, taking notably into consideration the mixing (orchestra separation/merging), the (re)mastering (Sound quality, "does it sound natural?" + dynamic range); and why not to take a closer look at sound enginering history: The recording and who did it and how/where it has been done may give an idea of what you can get too as a final product... but we shouldn't need to dive into it so far of course, assuming the professionals would do their work properly... (*FAIL*) �_*

I've just caught a vinyl rip of a LSO recording of Stravinsky's "The FireBird" in 24bit that sounds as if you were there, with an amazing equilibrium... Calm, powerful and pristine. It's a recording from... 1960!

Also, let's not confuse "conservationism" and "preservationism" ! :) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preservationist)

With ripped files, there is an extra element, the rip itself. Not just losseless vs. lossy, or bit rate, but the program used to do the rip and the settings used. When you first posted your notes about Batman, I ran them through audacity to see for myself. And to be sure it wasn't just the ripper, I compared it with the version on the Bonus Disc, which I believe to have been ripped by someone else. Still jacked up.
But my ears aren't that good. I still regularly listen to the Star Wars Anthology, and I haven't had a problem with it.
What's more amazing is that you have a very special, very expensive, very limited release like this box set that someone felt the need to master it using the same logic as a top forty album. I don't know which would annoy me more, that the engineer was asleep at the switch. ('setting look good, man,') or a executive who doesn't understand what was being made, ('It's good enough for Britney, it's good enough for Danny.')
JonC

With ripped files, there is an extra element, the rip itself. Not just losseless vs. lossy, or bit rate, but the program used to do the rip and the settings used. When you first posted your notes about Batman, I ran them through audacity to see for myself. And to be sure it wasn't just the ripper, I compared it with the version on the Bonus Disc, which I believe to have been ripped by someone else. Still jacked up.

Of course. I used Lilu's EAC versions for the LLL (I swear I have bought mine though, haha), while the box version is the mp3 USB version. If the spectre should be totally different due to that, the waveform wouldn't be, unless they would have only boosted the USB version, what I don't think as the previous Disc 17 rip has shown the same... "crime".

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So, as an ancient Elfman collector, what would be really worth in this set IMO, would be only:

-Everything unreleased that might be interesting: means for me, only the Nightmare ones with the orchestral version + maybe the Corpse Bride ones
- BeetleJuice, for the new mixing so much the first release is poor. But will I listen to it so much anyway ?

Does the Sleepy Hollow worth it ? Maybe better playing with your equalizers on the 1st release. I don't listen to that score anymore.

thanks for the Nightmare :)

thanks for the Nightmare :)

Let me guess... you've bought the box and just read our discussion.

Let me guess... you've bought the box and just read our discussion.

exactly ;) heard how good the collection is and seen the pics, just had to have it :)

... GOSH! You've misinterpreted the pics !

@WildwoodPark: you'll start to notice soon just like i did.

@Vogue88:

''Yup! Whever there's an album I want in Apple Lossless (which plays on iPods!) I turn it from FLAC to WAV so that I can upload to iTunes, then I just convert to Apple Lossless. As for the comment on the irony of iTunes users and quality, I prefer to download lossless because it doesn't create those 0.5 second gaps that ripping in MP3 does. For example, there's two gapless tracks on the Edward Scissorhands score that were ripped in MP3, but because they were ripped that way, some sound file was eliminated, and they now create a small crack when joined together. Lossless is just easier to manipulate. And it's pretty much the ultimate quality. ''

I prefer lossless too because that's just what it is, lossless while mp3 is very lossy. i never could tell the diff till i used itunes. but why convert from flac to wav then apple lossless? it'd save u time to convert from flac to apple lossless. what converter do u use to convert to apple lossless? see if it can just convert to that from flac that way u dont have to bother converting to wav. i use dvdvideosoft & foobar as my converters. videosoft converts flac to m4a but do not know if that is apple lossless exactly because anything on tunes is m4a. when i say anything, i mean apple lossless tracks as well as itunes store purchases which are NOT lossless because they're 256kbps. i could never get used to dbpoweramp for some reason.

''I SWEAR YOU'RE LIKE ME!! I have a 160GB too, and I rip (some albums) in Apple Lossless. I have 'The Social Network', 'Resident Evil: Afterlife', 'TRON: Legacy', and a few concert albums in Apple Lossless. It's weird because for me, I can definately tell the difference between 320 VBR mp3 and Apple Lossless, like on concerts and 'The Social Network'- and I have the iPod headpones!! I guess it just comes to the ear of the listener.''

that is EXACTLY ME lol! except i dont use the earphones that comes w/the ipod. omg. the new dre's just blows that away! especially the jumbo sized one. i used my friend's for a while and man......as i can say WOW! much as i love it though, too expeensive for headphones so wouldnt look to buy one myself but nice to borrow every now & then. otherwise i use my sony headphones with those things that attach to your ear so they can't fall off. they're the street style ones which sound pretty decent. u should also play around with the equalizer. i heard diff in songs that brought "new life" so to speak to overplayed songs.

''I keep my backlight at 2 sec. and 0% brightness, and the iPod will last me a week without charging (and I use this A LOT through the day, and I have to scroll over 4165 songs, and rarely watch music videos or TV shows.)''

haha. also me. only time i put brightness higher is when its sunny. but don't do it much as i have on the go playlists. thats another thing - my ipod is loaded i mean REALLY REALLY LOADED with countless playlists that are updated everytime my ipod is being charged. reason for this? im always getting stuff so when its time to charge, ill have more stuff to put in it.

''Do you know approximately how long an iPod's battery will last until you have to replace it (or buy a new iPod)??''

good Q. hope i never find out via experimenting lol. i was careless with my first ipod. i always overcharged it when i had new stuff to put in. i'd always listen to it, and when the battery logo shows red, i'd charge it and leave it for long time so i can transfer into it & update/create playlists. idk how shortly it died but didnt last long as it should have. im surprised the battery didnt die completely. it should have since i was so careless with it.

my second ipod....not as careless. pretty much same as with the first except it was never overcharged, just plugged in the cpu too many times which in a way is overcharging since i plugged it before the battery ran out. but when i said i didnt pvercharge, i meant i displugged in 4hrs.

to answer your question, i'd contact apple about this. one things for sure, more u abuse/overcharge/overuse it, the sooner it'll die. but considering you're safe like me, who knows? it's likely to last so long, we shouldnt even care when it dies cuz it'll prob be a LONG time. i see why u ask though. i always wondered myself. if u do contact apple, please let me know what they said. this will be useful news for all ipod users.

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"With ripped files, there is an extra element, the rip itself. Not just losseless vs. lossy, or bit rate, but the program used to do the rip and the settings used."

good point. but it also depends where the original source came from.
for example:
if the physical disc was bought from a retail store & the settings to rip are lossless, its genuine lossless quality.

if its bought from amazon (320 MP3) or itunes store (256 m4a) or downloaded in lossy (mo3 or ogg, etc but the settings to rip are lossless, it'll be identified as lossless but it will not be genuine lossless quality.

therefore its hard to tell what the uploader is posting if your ears or headphones aren't good/keen enough to tell the difference. i sya that because the uploader might say its lossless but again like i stated above, depends on your point as well as mine. dont mean to offend any uploader. im just stating what i feel is a honest and valid point.

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@Arial: whats your question?

@jmn77: obviously people can't OR don't read. Reason for this thread is on the 1st page. Don't like it or simply think it's silly, well no one's forcing you to come here. feel free to visit those threads with the links & get em from there. i swear. this is what pisses me off. instead of appreciating someone's work (and if you looks at the 1st page, you'll see the thanks i gave to the uploaders which shows MY appreciation for THEIR work), they have to have comments like "This thread is silly", etc. It's even sillier for you to post a comment on a thread you think is too silly to exist. a thank you for starting this thread so everyone can just come to one place to download would have been nice. i was just trying to help so excuse me for doing something nice.

@jmn77: obviously people can't OR don't read. Reason for this thread is on the 1st page. Don't like it or simply think it's silly, well no one's forcing you to come here. feel free to visit those threads with the links & get em from there. i swear. this is what pisses me off. instead of appreciating someone's work (and if you looks at the 1st page, you'll see the thanks i gave to the uploaders which shows MY appreciation for THEIR work), they have to have comments like "This thread is silly", etc. It's even sillier for you to post a comment on a thread you think is too silly to exist. a thank you for starting this thread so everyone can just come to one place to download would have been nice. i was just trying to help so excuse me for doing something nice.

Whoa buddy, I never bashed this thread! I'm not sure where you're getting that impression, but I think you must have misunderstood one of my posts. The only time I used the term silly was when I told Vogue88 that "he could download the DE/TB Music Box stuff right from this forum" and then called him silly... had nothing to do with you or this thread. :)

''Whoa buddy, I never bashed this thread! I'm not sure where you're getting that impression, but I think you must have misunderstood one of my posts. The only time I used the term silly was when I told Vogue88 that "he could download the DE/TB Music Box stuff right from this forum" and then called him silly... had nothing to do with you or this thread.''

@jmn77: it appears as if i have indeed misunderstood. i apologize for that and for the post.

''Whoa buddy, I never bashed this thread! I'm not sure where you're getting that impression, but I think you must have misunderstood one of my posts. The only time I used the term silly was when I told Vogue88 that "he could download the DE/TB Music Box stuff right from this forum" and then called him silly... had nothing to do with you or this thread.''

@jmn77: it appears as if i have indeed misunderstood. i apologize for that and for the post.
No worries, just wanted to clarify! :)

im glad u did. thanks.

can someone upload just the Batman disc?