There is not perfect game nor it s there anything that is "perfect" in this world but still I don't get why this game is hated. Granted, I didn't get the game back in the nineties but still this game is great with cool characters and an engaging story so I don't see why this game is hated by very amny fans who think it is overrated. Is it the fact tha game is overrated? r to old school fans irked that this is supposedly the first Final Fantasy game to many fans because the previous Final Fantasy and Square Enix games didn't apparently exist prior to FF7? Or the games sequels, prequels and spinoffs that Square Enix is whoring out? Or is it just because this game is that terrible that they bash on it endlessly?

Is it deja-vu or was this thread already made before?

He made one about X. Guess he realized we were right and he meant VII.

Well ok copying from other thread:


Well to be honest I don't hate any of them.

I dont think its a bad game at all.

I don't think VII is a bad game perse, I played through it recently and it was a blast. It was just so overhyped.

FFVII is one of my favorite FFs. I don't understand why it's so hated. What's to hate? Last time I checked, it was rated as one of the best video games of all time, yet FF fans actually hate it??

i for one think its a fantastic game.
however, the number of fans that it atracted, specially the emoyaoi fanboys that dream of sephiroth/cloud anal every second of their lives is what gave 7 the negativity it has in the gaming community.

i liked 7 and AC, but im not going to cosplay about it or begin to understand sephi's motives or whatever.
i played the game, watched the movie, and thats it, time to go play something else.

I don't hate the game, nor think the game is that bad. Sure it has it's flaws and some aweful plotholes.

What I hate the most (and I know for a FACT, that I speak for most people here when I say) is the fucking stupid fanbase. People who haven't played an actual game or people who dare claim that Final Fantasy is the best game ever, without ANY arguement to strengthen their claim. Cloud is like the best hero ever, Sephiroth is the best villain ever, etc

I hate the people who blindly stare upon FF7 claiming that it is the best game ever, without any real reason to back up their claim.

I think it may have to do with it's popularity. With popularity comes unquestionable devotion by a select few and hardcore fans begin resenting them for the fact that they don't appreciate the other games in the same way. People who shout "Sephiroth pwns" make hardcore fans want to hate FFVII and then they can become kind of pompous in the fact that they believe they are better because they played FF before VII came out. That's just what I think anyway, personally I really like the game, it's probably my third favourite FF game. Still I can see where people come from, it's so annoying when people claim Cloud is "uberkwl"

I think it may have to do with it's popularity. With popularity comes unquestionable devotion by a select few and hardcore fans begin resenting them for the fact that they don't appreciate the other games in the same way. People who shout "Sephiroth pwns" make hardcore fans want to hate FFVII and then they can become kind of pompous in the fact that they believe they are better because they played FF before VII came out. That's just what I think anyway, personally I really like the game, it's probably my third favourite FF game. Still I can see where people come from, it's so annoying when people claim Cloud is "uberkwl"

Can i possibly ban that word "uber" and i bet the germans are ashamed of themselves for making a word that is used by every chav and low I.Q moron in the world?
i wanna ban pwns too, someone obviously typo'd owns and its just stupidity within the internet slang run riot.

FF7 is probably one of the greatest magic systems ever created, materia was just a damn good idea, no doubting it whatsoever, even its execution was good, ATBs were improved, limit systems were improved, graphics improved. The only 2 things new were materia and the story.
It had 2 great achievements, one (no not sephiroth) the music, and two, they avoided the perfect ending scenario. Aerith was still dead, the reunion would happen again as told by hojo and midgar was ruined.
FF8 had the perfect happy ending everyone wanted, guy gets girl, beats bad guys, learns his past and why the way he is, and puts it all to rest. thats why ff7 had sequels and ff8 can only have cameos.

I think it's exactly what has been said. I don't hate FFVII, in fact, I rather like FFVII. The problem is, there are so many people that love FFVII, eee FFVII is the best, etc. I think even GamePro magazine, which I used to like, gave FFVII 5/5 and rated it the best ever, or something. And it's not. There are other FF games that are better, IX being my personal favorite.


FF8 had the perfect happy ending everyone wanted, guy gets girl, beats bad guys, learns his past and why the way he is, and puts it all to rest. thats why ff7 had sequels and ff8 can only have cameos.
Well, unless you believe the whack theories out there that the Squall seen in the ending was a ghost, or that Rinoa is Ultimecia.

yeah, i wont mock your beliefs, if you like 9 more then, yay you. but yeah, im glad u didnt say 9 is better than 7, u just said its ur favourite.
my favourite is still 8, the R1 trigger system was used in so many things later when it came to ATB battles, it was even used in that XBOX game i forget the name of (mostly coz the story sucked and i found it dull) but the battle system wasnt bad at all.

Time to polish the old reading comprehension skills. As written, his sentence means that FFIX is his favorite of the games in the series that are better than FFVII.

I think most of the hate towards ff7 is down to the simple fact that square-Enix have decided to over-milk the 'Final Fantasy VII' brand. Personally ff7 will always have a special place with me because it was the first ff I played & it is my favourite by far. But I do feel the way square-enix decided to expand the story and in effect the 'brand' has only spawned more hatred for the original title.

Devoting a CGI film + re-releases, 4 average games & various ff7 cameo's in other square-enix games only shows favouritism towards a particular entry in the ff series. Its this devotion of resources & favouritism towards one entry in the series that people probably cant stand. Prior to this, (correct me if im wrong) square-enix never did anything along the lines of extending a certain ff entry to this extent.

I think its these actions on square-enix part that have caused a surge in hatred toward ff7, because its seems like square-enix themselves think ff7 is the best game in the franchise. When really there is no overall 'best final fantasy', its down to individual tastes and what ultimately works for you. ff7 is my personal fav, someone else may feel ff8 is their personal fav. Do I really care? no.

Sometimes I think some things really should be left alone so their legacy remains intact - ff7 should have imo been left alone. Sadly its a common thing nowadays to milk something dry (as long as it prints money) - even if it means that the original titles' reputation gets tarnished in the process. FF7 was just a victim of square-enix's desire for more money.

I think most of the hate towards ff7 is down to the simple fact that square-Enix have decided to over-milk the 'Final Fantasy VII' brand. Personally ff7 will always have a special place with me because it was the first ff I played & it is my favourite by far. But I do feel the way square-enix decided to expand the story and in effect the 'brand' has only spawned more hatred for the original title.

Devoting a CGI film + re-releases, 4 average games & various ff7 cameo's in other square-enix games only shows favouritism towards a particular entry in the ff series. Its this devotion of resources & favouritism towards one entry in the series that people probably cant stand. Prior to this, (correct me if im wrong) square-enix never did anything along the lines of extending a certain ff entry to this extent.

I think its these actions on square-enix part that have caused a surge in hatred toward ff7, because its seems like square-enix themselves think ff7 is the best game in the franchise. When really there is no overall 'best final fantasy', its down to individual tastes and what ultimately works for you. ff7 is my personal fav, someone else may feel ff8 is their personal fav. Do I really care? no.

Sometimes I think some things really should be left alone so their legacy remains intact - ff7 should have imo been left alone. Sadly its a common thing nowadays to milk something dry (as long as it prints money) - even if it means that the original titles' reputation gets tarnished in the process. FF7 was just a victim of square-enix's desire for more money.

Your last paragraph i can't help but agree with since im playing "Tenchu - shadow assassins at the moment, oh dear god, i know the days of retro are over, but when did it become okay to release crap?
Sure a fat plumber trying to save a princess is a poor story, i didn't like mario in the first place. But Sonic, Streets of Rage, FF titles, Metal gear solid.
Theirs no originality anymore, i have to rely on the same series just to find a good story or just good gameplay eg. Dynasty Warriors and Metal Gear Solid.

Also can i add to this, FF12 has a DS spin off, and so did FFX. Spin offs are just a REALLY bad idea for Square Enix, and they gotta stop. Jesus, I'd start a petition if i thought I'd get enough signatures, one that allows a remake of FF7 but requires all the original team to get back together and really plan it out for two years from the storyboard stages AND stops any more spin offs unless they actually submit a good reason why Sephiroth or Jenova would come back and get 3/4 of their fanbase to agree with them. (Face it, it was said theirs always going to be reunions, it can't be stopped.)
FF7 is going to have to end with both Cloud and Sephiroth dieing, thats the only way to please ALL the fans. But again, with reunions, Sephiroth will keep coming back and will win be default, i don't think Cloud will do much fighting at 70years old.

Oh and can i just say, if anyone has a PSP get DW Strikeforce and then closely watch Dissidia's battles. I personally love strikeforce, and i think Dissidia will be the first successful spinoff that i wont be able to mock in any way (Apart from the fact Jecht is on the evil team, which honestly, it should be Tidus, Seymour and Auron thats it for FFX.)

On that note, does anyone know if the EU release will include Zack as an added special character for the slow overdue release? i know they put Vann in it (Wasn't a fan of 12 so i forget his name)

STOP IT! FFVII IS JUST ANOTHER GAME! THERE ARE BETTER AND WORSE GAMES OUT THERE. DEAL WITH IT!

Its simple, really. FF VII is not hated for what it is, but for how it is treated by its fans and how overrated it is.

Jesus, I'd start a petition if i thought I'd get enough signatures, one that allows a remake of FF7 but requires all the original team to get back together and really plan it out for two years from the storyboard stages AND stops any more spin offs unless they actually submit a good reason why Sephiroth or Jenova would come back and get 3/4 of their fanbase to agree with them. (Face it, it was said theirs always going to be reunions, it can't be stopped.)
FF7 is going to have to end with both Cloud and Sephiroth dieing, thats the only way to please ALL the fans. But again, with reunions, Sephiroth will keep coming back and will win be default, i don't think Cloud will do much fighting at 70years old.


Please, no.

FFVII was the first Final Fantasy I did play (just because all the FF's that my cousin had were hand-me-downs. He only had 7-10 and I was anal and wanted to play them in order) and I did enjoy it a bit. But it never became my favourite and I guess I moved on... once I played 9 and 10 that is.

Once I joined this forum and met the fanboys is when I actually started disliking the game more and more. And now since I am aware of fanboys, mostly everyone I meet is in LOVE with FFVII and continously talk of how great it is. =/

Please, no.

FFVII was the first Final Fantasy I did play (just because all the FF's that my cousin had were hand-me-downs. He only had 7-10 and I was anal and wanted to play them in order) and I did enjoy it a bit. But it never became my favourite and I guess I moved on... once I played 9 and 10 that is.

Once I joined this forum and met the fanboys is when I actually started disliking the game more and more. And now since I am aware of fanboys, mostly everyone I meet is in LOVE with FFVII and continously talk of how great it is. =/

At least I'm not one person who just said, "yeah bring it back, sephiroth and cloud battles rock!". I mean really, i just want it to end as much as anyone, but that door for a sequel or rerelease will always be open till the fans slam the door shut on it. I hate dirge of cerberus, i hate everything to do with FF:AC that isn't the sephiroth - cloud battle.
Funny thing is, if they gave us a good battle system, extended story with better sub plots in the background, you could've had your sequel to end ALL SEQUELS with advent children as a game.
(The story is too weak at the moment, but if it were developed more at the time, who knows?)

They just shouldn't develop anything more based on FF7.

And yet, they will. They totally will and people will buy it too.

Bunch of savages in this town :rolleyes:

And yet, they will. They totally will and people will buy it too.

;-;;

On that note, does anyone know if the EU release will include Zack as an added special character for the slow overdue release? i know they put Vann in it (Wasn't a fan of 12 so i forget his name)

That's news to me. As far as I was aware the only secret characters in FF Dissidia were Shantotto from FFXI and Judge Gabranth from FFXII. Wouldn't surprise me though if Zack did appear in it, seeing as how all they would need to do would change Cloud's head around (I mean, they did the same thing with Ehrgeiz on the PSX).

But yes, getting back on topic, Square Enix will continue to release spin-offs and tie-ins for FFVII for as long as fans continue to buy them. It's the old 'supply-and-demand' thing.

I think a PS3/360 remake would actually push the original ff7 further into the shadows. Part of the charm of the original was the pre-rendered backgrounds ,blocky character models and lack of voice acting. I think ff7s humble approach to storytelling really worked well and should be left that way. Although I found the ff7 PS3 tech demo impressive, I think remaking the game with fully realised character models and corny voice acting would ruin the experience.
I remember Hironobu Sakaguchi once saying that the name 'Final Fantasy' also represented the idea that everything that went into a particular ff entry was "final" (during that time period) i.e. the technology, characters, story concepts etc. Square enix should really return to this ideology and stop with this idea of 'developing storylines further' with damn spin offs.

I think this explains everything...

FF7 is overrated: a Video Essay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkxR4p7P74Y

I think this explains everything...

FF7 is overrated: a Video Essay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkxR4p7P74Y

This speaks the truth although I would liked if he were a bit more objective with the rant instead of coming of with overgeneralizations most of the time. Although I can sense that this guy's hatred is toward the fanbase and not the game itself, I'd ask that he ease up a bit but then again rants wouldn't be rants if they were they were easy on the thing they were ranting on.

This speaks the truth although I would liked if he were a bit more objective with the rant instead of coming of with overgeneralizations most of the time. Although I can sense that this guy's hatred is toward the fanbase and not the game itself, I'd ask that he ease up a bit but then again rants wouldn't be rants if they were they were easy on the thing they were ranting on.

If you watch his follow up vid he kind of explains more.

Sorry if i revived this. but i was on the floor the whole fucking time. It was hilarious tanis. HILARIOUS.

Mentioning SH2 = Auto Win
Mentioning SH2 and bringing up VI constantly, hmm, I've gotta sex that guy up~

QFT baby

Sorry if i revived this. but i was on the floor the whole fucking time. It was hilarious tanis. HILARIOUS.
Yeah, I think it's pretty good too.
It's an auto post in any anti/pro FF7 thread for me.




Mentioning SH2 = Auto Win
Mentioning SH2 and bringing up VI constantly, hmm, I've gotta sex that guy up~
:ohgod:
He's on the MSVGF sometimes, that's where I met him.

You should check out his other profile with some vids:
THE BEBOP RELOADED:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNrkjIpW-io

In my opinion and as a wild guess... The game is hated because:
Too many fans,
Too many overly obssessed fans (for example, Sephiroth, how many chicks obssesses over him?),
Too many derived products (like movies, other games, etc)
Too many theories...

And the list goes on, really.

I looked forward to Crisis Core because when I played VII I always wondered what the back story was with Zack, Ehrgeiz sort of fueled that for me as well, I think most people found Zack pretty intriguing as well when they did their run through the game. This game in my opinion is like DOC, not in terms of game play, but in terms of split decisions on whether the audience accepts it or not.

A lot of people I know hated both of them, I was on the other hand and found them both thoroughly enjoyable because I'm a new content whore, I like to see the stories expand. I thought some of the new characters were a really groovy addition to the character roster. Problem is video games are kind of like records you'd buy to listen to music, some of the fans might not like the direction the music is going, & in this case it would be game content.

Edit: I just realized you were talking about VII's first installment, reason for hate would be hype in my opinion. Or the fact everyone & their mother generally rave about & it makes people cuckoo.

No, plenty of us hate it for reasons entirely unrelated to hype. For instance, the utterly juvenile story and strictly archetypal characters, its numerous design flaws, etc.

its numerous design flaws, etc.

Yep, those chicken bone pixie stick arms are bangin'!

for me, the reason why is hated is because for the obsessed fan, who think that FF VII is the best RPG and always compare it with other games. I love FF VII, it�s my favourite game, but i know there are better games out there.

I don't think VII is a bad game perse, I played through it recently and it was a blast. It was just so overhyped.

This is what I agree with I loved 7 back when I had a PS1 and I was like 8 I just find it ridiculous that all these fan boys can say they love Final Fantasy and all the do is talk about how great Cloud and how bad ass he is. Please. If you ask me it's a great game just way to overhyped. Personally I like the less overhyped ones like 10 and 9. 8 is also great and when you go back to the first couple they're amazing as well I've never really played one I didn't like *cough* 12 *cough*.




"I think I was born in the wrong era" - Ben Johnson/ Me

See it as you would religion:

It's not god I hate, it's his fanclub that I can't stand.

I don't think FFVII is hated, more like ALOT of people call it the best and some aren't satisfied but my favourite is really XII.

it's his fanclub that I can't stand.

That�s true, the fanboys always compare FF VII with others RPG and never accept there are more great games (and this doesn�t apply only to FF VII, also you can see it with the Nintendo, Sony, Xbox, Halo, GTA, and the list goes on)

I completely agree with the ppl between my two posts

i don't think it is so bad ,i must say that it is the best RGP game.and you all can't miss it.

Care to state your reasoning to the above claim?

Begin rant.

Contrary to popular belief, I don't hate FFVII per se... what I do hate is all the bullshit some people spout about how great the game is, and if you don't agree with it, then you are a target for them to try and crucify.

FFVII is a good game. Not great and certainly not the perfect game people try to 'persuade' others to think. All the sequel/prequel stuff aggravated the hell out of me and reading/hearing people go on and on and on about the game, as if they are the ones who discovered it... or complain about the graphics etc and want a remake... those 'people' (if you want to call them that), they are the ones I hate and loathe. Because of those twits, much of the love I had for FFVII has waned.

I still do have my copy of it (It was the second game I ever bought for my PSX), and I still do have fond memories of the game itself. But what some people don't realise is this: There are other RPG's available, some which may or may not be better than FFVII. Instead of basing all RPG's off of FFVII (I've seen posts here on this forum over the years and on others to that effect), play one with an open mind and not be biased towards it because it aint FFVII, therefore it sucks!

End rant.

I will put it in a simple quote of Spoony.

"FFVII is not bad for what it is, it's a pretty good game, but it's bad for what it did to gaming culture"

It's simple as that, to me, I love this game... can't deny it. But there are better things outhere than simply worshiping, ranting or even asking why this game hated, because I think it's pretty clear why.

Spoony is love.

Simple, it's not FF6.

iawtc

Simple, it's not FF6.

And thank god it's not FF6 *covers himself*

And thank god it's not FF6 *covers himself*
http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/trolls.JPG

I lol'd.

BECAUSE IT SUCKS

You call me emo and you're the one that likes X? OH TEH LOLS.

Listen up, no one is to take this as an excuse to flame each other and become uncivil.

TM and I are professionals. Never forget it.

Simple, it's not FF6.

http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/trolls.JPG


And thank god it's not FF6 *covers himself*


http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/trolls.JPG


Epic TROLL family!!! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

See it as you would religion:

It's not god I hate, it's his fanclub that I can't stand.

Good one, haven't read anything like that before.

As for FFVII being hated i don't think it's anything like that. I mean i don't see a point in liking a game less just because of its fanbase. You either like it or you don't. Let the fanboys yap. You can either ignore them or make fun of them. It's up to you. But no reason to hate the game because of them.

Now as for sequels/prequels etc. I don't think that even that should affect anyone's opinions of the original. You can hate the fact that the game you love is getting less attention, you can hate the newer games/movies etc, you can hate the new and improved fanbase of even worse yapping etc etc(a lot of hate lol). No reason to hate the original. I just don't see the point.

I like FFVII. No matter how much squeenix milks it, I think i'll always like it.

Newton explains why this game is hated:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction"

Action - Massive popularity and fallating by fanboys
Reaction - Massive hatred and ranting by idiots.

FF7 is a good game. It's not the best but it's good. But some think it's the best and want to tell everyone about it. So the people who might have thought "eh it was okay" slowly descend into "this is the worst game ever!!!" out of sheer irritation at those aforementioned people.

7 was my first FF and yet I still love the classics and think IX is the best of the entire series. It's still a good gmae though, like I said.

The main reason this game gets so much hatred (imo) is that it came out a long time ago, and was a damn near perfect game, at the time!!! And now when people continue to talk about it, it gets compared to newer, more flash-than-storyline games and people seem to disrespect it.

There would be no VIII, IX, X, XI, XII, or upcoming XIII without VII. (Fact, even though that line is about to be dominated by internet sarcasm). :)

Personal FFVII ranking: 10/10, and 4th favorite game of all time.

:imout:

Oh, sorry, I just read the entire thread, took me a while to sift through the inside jokes and all that stuff, and I realize my use of the words 'damn near perfect' without a reasonable explanation would cause you to such an extreme as to post a Seinfeld clip and lag my computer when I'm at work.

So let me butter it up for you? :)

FFVII, and I say this again, at the time, was a marvel. Everything the fans wanted from a FF game came to the Playstation.

Storyline - Intruiging at the start of the game. The first thing you do is assault a Mako Reactor? Yeah, it grabs your attention. Then it, sometimes slowly, builds and expands and reveals the complete story, and it's not until about 5+ hours into the game (Kalm) that most of it is revealed. It took a certain amount of patience for it to really unfold, but once it did, it was wonderful.

Characters - Many characters, leading to many combinations for gamers. The non-perfect hero, the mercenary that is caring for the child of a friend he watched die, and of course the bad buy who is out for revenge against.....everything because of his heritage. Those are engrossing, very emotional characters, not just a bunch of cookie cut heroes.

Graphics/Sound - The music, as in most FF's is fantastic. Yes, I believe, it was synthesized, but it still came out strong in most scenes. And yes, the graphics.....at the time looked very good. This IS 1997 we're talking about.

Battle System - An easy to use, hard to master Materia system allowed the player to set up their characters any way they liked, allowing full customization. And even though you had Cloud in your battles for 95% percent of the game, you had complete control over what kind of fighter he came out to be. (and yes, I will say that each character had their strengths as fighters, and their weaknesses, that's what sources were for).

That is why I feel that FFVII was so good. Not perfect, just damn well near it for the Playstation.

Expanding on why people hate it, part of it has to be people just hate FF, or even RPG's in general. A lot of gamers seems to flock to shooter and sports game over RPG's because they can be beaten in a matter of hours, rather than taking days and weeks.

Expanding on why people hate it, part of it has to be people just hate FF, or even RPG's in general. A lot of gamers seems to flock to shooter and sports game over RPG's because they can be beaten in a matter of hours, rather than taking days and weeks.

I agree on all of your points except for this one, I mean yeah maybe that's one of the minimum points, IMO i think it's more hated among the circle, by this I mean RPG players, because it has a solid fanbase and that kind of tires people repeating you how great a game is to the point you wanna put a punch on his liver. And that's how it gave birth the "overrated" side of opinion & the trolls etc...
But whatever, many people have personal reasons.

I don't really hate the game. Though it is pretty easy to attack.

I just think it's the most overrated TBRPG thus far.
Never mind the fan base is rabid and stupid (how else can you praise FF7:AC or FF7:DoC or FF7:TLO or FF7:CC?).

Yea, the fanbase is a little......brain challenged? But any game would eventually be that way if it had a big enough fanbase. I will admit there have been a few too many other things for 'Final Fantasy VII' attached to them lately. (Although I do own Advent Children). But I'm not gonna hold anything against SE for making a few extra extra over the top extra dollars off of their franchise.


IMO i think it's more hated among the circle, by this I mean RPG players,

Didn't see your reply at first Top, and I agree with you, the hatred is more in line with RPG gamers rather than other genre fans. RPG gamers would certainly take a more direct hit with the question 'Have you played (RPG Game) yet?!'

Oh, sorry, I just read the entire thread, took me a while to sift through the inside jokes and all that stuff, and I realize my use of the words 'damn near perfect' without a reasonable explanation would cause you to such an extreme as to post a Seinfeld clip and lag my computer when I'm at work.

So let me butter it up for you? :)

FFVII, and I say this again, at the time, was a marvel. Everything the fans wanted from a FF game came to the Playstation.

Storyline - Intruiging at the start of the game. The first thing you do is assault a Mako Reactor? Yeah, it grabs your attention. Then it, sometimes slowly, builds and expands and reveals the complete story, and it's not until about 5+ hours into the game (Kalm) that most of it is revealed. It took a certain amount of patience for it to really unfold, but once it did, it was wonderful.

Characters - Many characters, leading to many combinations for gamers. The non-perfect hero, the mercenary that is caring for the child of a friend he watched die, and of course the bad buy who is out for revenge against.....everything because of his heritage. Those are engrossing, very emotional characters, not just a bunch of cookie cut heroes.

Graphics/Sound - The music, as in most FF's is fantastic. Yes, I believe, it was synthesized, but it still came out strong in most scenes. And yes, the graphics.....at the time looked very good. This IS 1997 we're talking about.

Battle System - An easy to use, hard to master Materia system allowed the player to set up their characters any way they liked, allowing full customization. And even though you had Cloud in your battles for 95% percent of the game, you had complete control over what kind of fighter he came out to be. (and yes, I will say that each character had their strengths as fighters, and their weaknesses, that's what sources were for).

That is why I feel that FFVII was so good. Not perfect, just damn well near it for the Playstation.

Expanding on why people hate it, part of it has to be people just hate FF, or even RPG's in general. A lot of gamers seems to flock to shooter and sports game over RPG's because they can be beaten in a matter of hours, rather than taking days and weeks.

The reason I posted the Seinfeld 'Smilie' (if you look at the top of the message box, when you are posting a response, there is a tab called 'Smilie'. The Seinfeld one is 'I'm out'.) is because I've discussed before in numerous threads here over the years about why I have negative feelings to FFVII. Hence the Seinfeld 'Smilie'.

Now, to reiterate my feelings/opinion of this game....

FFVII was the second game I ever purchased for my PSX (First being Transformers Beast Wars, though the less said of that the better) and at the time, yes it was a good game. Not great and most assuredly not perfect.

Yes, I did like/love the game back in 1997. I'm not denying that.

Over the years though... the spinoffs/sequels/prequel/whatever as well as all the incessant fanboys/girls going on and on about the game as if it's the second coming of Christ or they've found something 'new and never before reported, so they have to spread the word' to everyone about it.

Them... them I hate, and yes, my hatred of those imbecilic pieces of donkey excrement, rolled up and pressed into the shape of a donut and then fed to idiots like Uwe Boll who'd take a crap and then say it's the best script for a movie ever... THEM I hate.

FFVII as a stand alone game, doesn't need the bs advent children, crisis core etc, IS a good game. All the rest, done by different development teams, does not have the same feel as the original.

As Neo Xzhan succinctly put it

See it as you would religion:

It's not god I hate, it's his fanclub that I can't stand.

I happen to agree with that.

I think the bigger question is, what makes this outdated-looking, blocky game with clunky controls somehow BETTER than other games in the series? I guess I'm just a little lost on why fans worship VII, but then bash games like IX and X with far superior graphics, gameplay, music, story, characters, EVERYTHING. Same goes for the first six games in the series. VII is not a bad game, but it is so overhyped it makes me sick :S In the meantime, other games in the series are completely ignored :(

And Xiahou Dun, my friend, I couldn't have said it any better ;) Bravo!

I think the bigger question is, what makes this outdated-looking, blocky game with clunky controls somehow BETTER than other games in the series? I guess I'm just a little lost on why fans worship VII, but then bash games like IX and X with far superior graphics, gameplay, music, story, characters, EVERYTHING. Same goes for the first six games in the series. VII is not a bad game, but it is so overhyped it makes me sick :S In the meantime, other games in the series are completely ignored :(

And Xiahou Dun, my friend, I couldn't have said it any better ;) Bravo!

It's probably 95% nostalgia 5% hatred toward something new and different

It's mostly the crazed fanatic "Twilight"-type fans that irk me not the game itself. It's a great game....my 2nd favorite out of the bunch, it's just too praised and a few others aren't praised enough. I love VII, so by all means, I think it's just the hype around it.

How the fuck did you work Twilight in here?

It's getting to the point 'Twilight' can be worked into anything nowadays by fanatics.

Star Wars ----->Final Fantasy VII----->Twilight.
(The progression)

Game over man, GAME OVER!

I dislike it for multible reasons

Guns
High tech world
No "fantasy" theme
Language

Other reasons are it's battle system annoys me, only 2 characters allowed at a time, and it's just boring to me.

no fantasy theme... Gigantic swords, people with guns instead of arms, Chicken horses, Huge RPG fantasy world, Magic COME ON!!!!

How the fuck did you work Twilight in here?

haha.....that's how a good amount of the VII fanatics act. Only difference is Twilight actually really sucks horrendously and FFVII is pretty good, which makes the craze all that more unbearable.

haha.....that's how a good amount of the VII fanatics act. Only difference is Twilight actually really sucks horrendously and FFVII is pretty good, which makes the craze all that more unbearable.

I'm pretty sure there is more than only one difference.

:whatislove:

I dislike it for multible reasons

Guns
High tech world
No "fantasy" theme
Language

Other reasons are it's battle system annoys me, only 2 characters allowed at a time, and it's just boring to me.
no fantasy theme... Gigantic swords, people with guns instead of arms, Chicken horses, Huge RPG fantasy world, Magic COME ON!!!!

I think he's really referring to how it's not a cliched Tolkien rip-off swords-and-sorcery setting, which appears to be the limit of his idea of 'fantasy'.

FFVII is fantasy. Technofantasy to be specific, but still fantasy nonetheless.

And in case you still don't agree, refer to the game's title. ;)

I think he's really referring to how it's not a cliched Tolkien rip-off swords-and-sorcery setting, which appears to be the limit of his idea of 'fantasy'.


Nice Observation

Well "fans" can carry on and hate it to their hearts content.

I for one, love this game. And have done since i first played it in the 90s. :)

There is not perfect game nor it s there anything that is "perfect" in this world but still I don't get why this game is hated. Granted, I didn't get the game back in the nineties but still this game is great with cool characters and an engaging story so I don't see why this game is hated by very amny fans who think it is overrated. Is it the fact tha game is overrated? r to old school fans irked that this is supposedly the first Final Fantasy game to many fans because the previous Final Fantasy and Square Enix games didn't apparently exist prior to FF7? Or the games sequels, prequels and spinoffs that Square Enix is whoring out? Or is it just because this game is that terrible that they bash on it endlessly?

...Who said they hated it?

...Who said they hated it?

I did. And I'll say it again because you weren't there the first time.

I hate this game because it's garbage. It's boring as hell and Cloud's an emo git! Okay, that's not exactly what I said, but you get the point.

...the game sucks ass.

Cloud's an emo git!

Squall too :P

Squall too :P

But unlike Cloud, Squall gets out of that. And most importantly; Squall gets the girl where as Cloud doesn't even say if he likes girls.

People hate the games that broke away from the fantasy setting. Steampunk, Manufactured Magic, Robots etc.

But unlike Cloud, Squall gets out of that. And most importantly; Squall gets the girl where as Cloud doesn't even say if he likes girls.

Squall does NOT come out of his Emo Git phase. He also never gets the girl. Sure, they cuddle, but that doesn't mean dick.

Cloud overcame his "lolwhoami" phase and even fucked Tifa for everyone on the Highwind to see. Pretty sure he even gave Barret a brofist.

Squall does NOT come out of his Emo Git phase. He also never gets the girl. Sure, they cuddle, but that doesn't mean dick.

Cloud overcame his "lolwhoami" phase and even fucked Tifa for everyone on the Highwind to see. Pretty sure he even gave Barret a brofist.

Considering I've never beaten VIII (I'm working on about a sixth playthrough to try and finish it this time the right way though) I'm gonna have to agree with you there.

But . . . huh? From what I remember, Cloud and Tifa don't show even as much affection as Squall and Rinoa do, which isn't much.

(Note: the last [and first] time I actually played all the way through FFVII was in about '06, so if my FFVII observation is way off, it is fair game to anyone who wishes to laugh at and mock it. 'kthnxbai')

I think Cloud shows plenty of affection for Tifa, more so than Squall ever showed Rinoa. They kinda seemed lumped together towards the end 'just cause.'

I think Cloud shows plenty of affection for Tifa, more so than Squall ever showed Rinoa. They kinda seemed lumped together towards the end 'just cause.'

I agree, that's why I think that the so acclaimed love story of VIII is plain stupid among the other stupidities in the rest of the storyline.

I just viewed Cloud as being such an emo for no apparent reason; he may sort of come out of his shell a little bit, but he never really changes, per se. He's still the same somber soul at the end as he was at the beginning, and just felt like the type who'd ditch all his allies in an instant if he became as powerful as Sephiroth. I dunno, maybe (and most likely) it's just me.

In the beginning of the game cloud is not an emo, he starts being emo after he gave the black materia to sephiroth, but then you play with the character a little while until the crater, then you don't see him after a lot. After you learn about the past of the character you say, okay... he's was picked on his childhood & now he overcomes the "lolwhoami" as gumwrapper said. Then it ends pretty well to me, he doesn't whine after that.
I think everyone says he's emo mainly because of advent children rather than FFVII the game itself.

I think everyone says he's emo mainly because of advent children rather than FFVII the game itself.

This

Emo is a genre of music and also Cloud wasn't even all that angsty in the actual game.

Let's say he was "disordered".

Why some people hate it? Hm, guess it's common in our time to hate things that many people like, to me VII also is still the best of all ffs I've played.

Let's say he was "disordered".

Why some people hate it? Hm, guess it's common in our time to hate things that many people like, to me VII also is still the best of all ffs I've played.

How many have you played?

ilu, CC

threads like this refuse to die

lol Neg ;) Does that mean you'll come play RE5 with me?? Yes, it's grown on me, FYI :P

Also, threads like this are mainly a big red target to new members (or obscure members who've been here for years and never bothered to post anything until FFVII is 'dissed') who can't be bothered to post in relevant ones.

VII may be overrated but one fact remains...

VII > VIII

VII may be overrated but one fact remains...

VII > VIII

VII may be overrated but one fact remains...

VII > VIII

Yea the fact remains VI>VII>VIII

FF6:
North America - 11 October 1994

FF7:
North America - 7 September 1997

FF8:
North America - 9 September 1999


So, like, omg...duh

Glad we established this and I am counting > as the mathematical symbol for greater than (excluding Kratos's post of course)

What game are we talking about again?

FF VII (you knew it was true) and in fact that greater than sign (>) will continue all the way to XI, skip XII and straight on to XIII

IX > VIII

I have no idea what the hell we're all talking about now. But until somebody grants this thread's death wish and closes it, I'll contribute in the only manner I see fit.

Peanut butter and Hershey's chocolate sauce sandwiches > Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches

Seriously, try it. It's like a Reese's cup, only a whole sandwich. Yum.

Penis > FFVIII

VIII > VII
VI > Everything in the wurld

Spoony made me realize how much I love VIII, TM. It's true. It's a completely illogical love, but that's sorta how love works, mir?

Spoony made me realize how much I love VIII, TM. It's true. It's a completely illogical love, but that's sorta how love works, mir?

LOL!!!! XDDDDDD

Spoony made me realize other things that sucked about the game. Besides the other ones that I didn't liked xD.

My crusade is against blind worship. I love a lot of weird stuff, but I can still admit that it’s flawed. I don’t care that you love Doctor Who, but don’t try to claim that it’s never sucked. It has. It does. But real fans can still love something in spite of– no, because of its flaws.

That’s me. I love you guys, and you’re a load of flawed, screwed-up weirdos. But that’s okay. I am your king, and you are not alone.

I’ve raged against furries and weird transgender moogle porn, but damn it, this is America! You want to jerk off to Filthy Multitasking Quistis, hell, throw that picture on the ground, huddle up, and I’ll put five bucks on whoever can bust a nut on her face first. You are not stupid for seeking people you identify with. You are not an idiot for finding friends and feeling like you have somewhere you belong. Your particular brand of happiness might be pretty fucked-up, but you’re not fucked-up for pursuing that happiness. As long as you’re not hurting anyone, wave that freak flag high.

Final Fantasy VIII may suck, and you may suck for liking it, but I’m the captain of this suck-filled leaking failboat, and I’m not going to have some jerkoff movie critic who’s never cracked a Player’s Handbook in his life call my homies STUPID.

AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

In Spoony we trust

me = Mrawesomesexgod

Mrawesomesexgod > ZE WORLD

The responsible ones for much scorn at this games are certain parts of the fanbase. The fanatical, irrational ones. I played Final Fantasy 7 for the first time last year, and it was an enjoyable game, but I don't put it on a pedestal of console RPG games nor do I have a strange fixation on its characters.

Well I didn't like FF VII because I just found it boring, I can't explain why (especially since I last played it years ago and I made the mistake of letting a friend borrow it, in which he never gave it back and then moved! So I don't remember everything) I also didn't like it's graphics as well as that shade of blue for the menu.

I do think it is overrated as well, but only because it's the only game alot of people will talk about and they act as if its the only game in the world and that every other game sucks. I just find that people talk about it a bit too much.

I think it just had an impact so strong, it blinded people to see things that are far superior to it.

FF VII is a good compilation. Nice and enjoyable with and engaging story if you are the type who likes those kind of games. It is not the best but it isn't the worst. Let's just put things in perspective here. FFVII has strong points and weak points. End of story.

Maybe if people hadn't blown it completely out of proportion it wouldn't have been the object of such disgust. All those fanatics of the FF VII Compilation just ended up pissing other people off by heralding it as the best RPG in the world and comparing it with other popular titles.

A note to all hardcore fans of FF VII: Moderation in all things.

@ Galaroval: Exactly. See, I value each FF title equally. Some I may get more enjoyment out of, but there's just something I love about each one that does not detract attention from one while giving it to another. Each is great for a different reason; FFII is great for its versatile battle system. FFX is great for its engaging storyline. Each, I think, has mutual strongpoints, such as graphics, music, characters, and design. Not every FF has a great story; for instance, FFV has a rather tired and uninspired story, whereas IX has an amazing and epic story. But I still don't love V less than IX. You may see me praise IX quite often around here, which I do; it's simply because it's one of those that I obtain more enjoyment out of as a whole. It's tough to describe, really. But with all that established, inevitably that means I love FFVII too. Not in a fanboy kind of way either, like a lot of people do (not trying to say you're that way either). But as you said, VII has been blown waaaaaaaay out of proportion. It's just impossible for some people to imagine that VII has any weaknesses or any faults. Too many fanatics hail it as the pinnacle of achievement; ZOMG FFVII IS TEH 2TH COMING OF CHRIS! Well, it's not. And while it is an amazing game that I love just as much as every other FF title, I don't love it like a wife, like too many do. It honestly surprised me when I first started hearing other peoples' reactions to it (before which I really didn't care) that they considered it to be such a masterpiece. No FF is perfect. In fact, they are all quite imperfect. And I think that's one of the things that makes them so fun for me. Each one has its flaws, but each one also has a huge array of good points as well. So all in all, fans of FFVII need to also remember to be fans of IX, of VIII, of XII, IV, VI, and the rest of them too. I guess I just felt the need to say that because my previous post misleads its reader to believe I don't like VII, which I do.

To CC: Nicely put :)

Thanks! I get so long-winded sometimes :O

Yeah it's difficult getting a point across with only a couple of words.

I would like you to post the strong points of crap fantasy 7 because I try to think of some and simply can't. The story was shit. Moved very slowly and found myself falling asleep during what many would call "key points". The music was just terrible. Ended up sounding like a lullaby because that too would put me to sleep. Hated how the graphics were so that was extremely annoying for me. Cloud was some idiot who was in love with Sephiroth. And Sephiroth looked like a woman when you had to fight him with his shirt off. While playing it, it felt like watching Brokenback n' Mountin'; if I watched/played more I felt like I would go gay. Not something you want to watch/play when anyone else is in the room. If you would like to experience this feeling without the fear of turning gay while playing this game, play through the Atlantica world in Kingdom Hearts II.

I have fun taking bloody shits than looking at anything that deals with the horrible compilation to this stupid game.

I would like you to post the strong points of crap fantasy 7 because I try to think of some and simply can't. The story was shit. Moved very slowly and found myself falling asleep during what many would call "key points". The music was just terrible. Ended up sounding like a lullaby because that too would put me to sleep. Hated how the graphics were so that was extremely annoying for me. Cloud was some idiot who was in love with Sephiroth. And Sephiroth looked like a woman when you had to fight him with his shirt off. While playing it, it felt like watching Brokenback n' Mountin'; if I watched/played more I felt like I would go gay. Not something you want to watch/play when anyone else is in the room. If you would like to experience this feeling without the fear of turning gay while playing this game, play through the Atlantica world in Kingdom Hearts II.

I have fun taking bloody shits than looking at anything that deals with the horrible compilation to this stupid game.

This is a quality post. I wish more people posted like this valued member of the community does. Everyone needs to take notes on him.

The hell? I have a spectacular aura about? When did that happen?

For some reason my sarcasm detector is tingling.

I would like you to post the strong points of crap fantasy 7 because I try to think of some and simply can't. The story was shit. Moved very slowly and found myself falling asleep during what many would call "key points". The music was just terrible. Ended up sounding like a lullaby because that too would put me to sleep. Hated how the graphics were so that was extremely annoying for me. Cloud was some idiot who was in love with Sephiroth. And Sephiroth looked like a woman when you had to fight him with his shirt off. While playing it, it felt like watching Brokenback n' Mountin'; if I watched/played more I felt like I would go gay. Not something you want to watch/play when anyone else is in the room. If you would like to experience this feeling without the fear of turning gay while playing this game, play through the Atlantica world in Kingdom Hearts II.

I have fun taking bloody shits than looking at anything that deals with the horrible compilation to this stupid game.

Hey, ur saving teh planetz. That's y it's sew gud.

You save the planet in Halo. And look how THAT game turned out.

Oh the horror... now why'd you have to go and remind me of the Atlantica level in KH2? The absolute worst part of an otherwise excellent game?

Because it's the only example that came to mind when doing something that you don't want other people see you doing (damn developers making me play it for that secret ending!).

I have fun taking bloody shits than looking at anything that deals with the horrible compilation to this stupid game.

You really find it that bad huh? Well let it out man, can't bottle it up forever. I'm sure you'll find plenty others who would agree.


For some reason my sarcasm detector is tingling.

Mine did too after a this point. Would you credit that? I wonder why that was so?

You save the planet in Halo. And look how THAT game turned out.

*Takes a huge risk here*. . . .

. . . I don't like Halo :O

*Takes a huge risk here*. . . .

. . . I don't like Halo :O

Who does? When FPS's started copying Halo 3 in 2007, they officially hit an all-time low. Yup, no more Half-Lifes, Bioshocks, Serious Sams, Soldier of Fortunes. Just a bunch of space marines with regenerating health.

I'm not talking about the setting of the game. In terms of story, I think it has a lot of potential. The gameplay and community on the other hand is a different story. The only thing that I will play Halo for now is the campaign. Sure it may be a cliche storyline, but I still find enjoyment in progressing through it (except for ODST. What a waste of time). The only time I will even play Halo 3 now is if Rocket Race is on. Ever since they got rid of that playlist, I never touch it anymore. Halo 2 was great. Halo 3 was simply a mistake.

Halo 2 was great. Halo 3 was simply a mistake.

To quote this guy:



Halo 2 superior. Halo 3 inferior.

Back to topic at hand:

FFVII as a stand alone game is a good game. Not great, but good. It's what FFVII has become which a lot of people hate. The mindless fanboy/girl fanatics who think it's the 'bestest evar made and if youse dun like it, too bads'.

As I said earlier in this thread:


Now, to reiterate my feelings/opinion of this game....

FFVII was the second game I ever purchased for my PSX (First being Transformers Beast Wars, though the less said of that the better) and at the time, yes it was a good game. Not great and most assuredly not perfect.

Yes, I did like/love the game back in 1997. I'm not denying that.

Over the years though... the spinoffs/sequels/prequel/whatever as well as all the incessant fanboys/girls going on and on about the game as if it's the second coming of Christ or they've found something 'new and never before reported, so they have to spread the word' to everyone about it.

Them... them I hate, and yes, my hatred of those imbecilic pieces of donkey excrement, rolled up and pressed into the shape of a donut and then fed to idiots like Uwe Boll who'd take a crap and then say it's the best script for a movie ever... THEM I hate.

FFVII as a stand alone game, doesn't need the bs advent children, crisis core etc, IS a good game. All the rest, done by different development teams, does not have the same feel as the original.

As Neo Xzhan succinctly put it

See it as you would religion:

It's not god I hate, it's his fanclub that I can't stand.

I happen to agree with that.

Who does? When FPS's started copying Halo 3 in 2007, they officially hit an all-time low. Yup, no more Half-Lifes, Bioshocks, Serious Sams, Soldier of Fortunes. Just a bunch of space marines with regenerating health.

At least Dead Space is awesome ;)

Because the people that played other RPG game first think of it as a mediocre game when they try it. I played 8 first, loved it and then when I played VII, I can't finish it... it is just not that good in my opinion. There is nothing revolutionary about it other than the graphics at the time when it was out.

Why is the game hated by a lot of fans
Hey, did anyone notice that the initial question doesn't actually make much sense?
If they were fans then they wouldn't hate it would they? lol.

Fans of Final Fantasy in general. Sorry, but, that's kind of a duh.

Final Fantasy VII is one of the best pieces of media I've ever experienced. I'm still waiting on playing some of the other FF's (I've played FFX and although it was amazing i didn't think it was as good), but for now I've played nothing better.

The thing is that FFVII was one of the earliest games I ever played, ever since I first got a games console. But I never completed it untill 2009. All the early stages of FFVII are just so ingrained in my mind now. To me every scene is iconic, every piece of music, every character etc. And playing the later stages so recently I got to experience most of the storyline, and can appreciate it more now that I'm older combined with the suspense/anticipation that comes with having never played the later stages before, so I think doing what I did made it that much more exciting; like I was completing a story that had excited me for years (I lost the game in 1999 and never got a replacement untill 2009.) The furthest I ever got to was Corel Prison. So imagine playing through all of midgar, learning about the nibelheim incident, listening to aerith talk about the promised land in that cell, finding out about Jenova and Sephiroth, and all the amazing stuff in the early part of the game. Then imagine waiting 10 years to find out the answer to all those questions spinning in your mind whenever something reminded you of the game, wondering what the promised land will look like, wondering what happened in Nibelheim that Cloud couldn't remember, wondering why Sephiroth went insane, wondering what the deal with Aerith and her ancestry was, etc. and you can probably appreciate why I found the game so amazing when I completed it.

I suppose it falls to everyone's experience with the game. For most people, FFVII was the first FF they ever (The first I ever played was IX, but only like the first 10 minutes of gameplay) played and so it holds a special place. Plus, it does hit some pretty epic notes with the characters and story even if technically it might not be the #1 FF game. I think the hype annoys most people. It doesn't bother me, but it does annoy alot of people.

(The first I ever played was IX, but only like the first 10 minutes of gameplay)

:(

:(



Lol. At that time I was like 6. My older brother (who was 22 at the time) brought down FFIX for me to play on my new PS1, claiming it was "the best game ever." I played it untill the bit where the prima vista crashes in the forest and loved it, and he offered to buy me one of the FF's for my birthday. My logic was that I would ask for the earliest one he could buy and then play them in order as I assumed it was a series. The earliest one on the playstation at that time was FFVII so that's what he bought me. I remember being well disappointed when I found out it was a completely different game and the graphics were poorer.

I was very very wrong :P

Lol. At that time I was like 6. My older brother (who was 22 at the time) brought down FFIX for me to play on my new PS1, claiming it was "the best game ever." I played it untill the bit where the prima vista crashes in the forest and loved it, and he offered to buy me one of the FF's for my birthday. My logic was that I would ask for the earliest one he could buy and then play them in order as I assumed it was a series. The earliest one on the playstation at that time was FFVII so that's what he bought me. I remember being well disappointed when I found out it was a completely different game and the graphics were poorer.

I was very very right :D

I'd like to meet your older brother. :)

Well I've never played IX since so. I might enjoy it more ^^ But I deffinitely found VII better than X, although X was still one of the best games I've ever played in my life. We'll see when I get IX next week, it's on order so I'm just waiting for it to arrive.

Nice. Well, I hope you find yourself liking it much more this time around. Me, I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE it! I guess I'm more a sucker for the 'true fantasy' feel of it. I can't pinpoint it exactly, but it's definitely one I will always defend to the death. IX' my lucky number :)

XI's my lucky number.


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:(

You know, I have to admit I completely misread that initial quoted post I frowned at. I made the frown face because I read it as, "I only like the first 10 minutes of gameplay," rather than, "I only played like the first 10 minutes of gameplay". Don't I feel silly now :-/. Carry on. . . .

LOL, well then I have to feel silly too, because I misread it the exact same way. texico-- I hope you enjoy IX, it's an excellent game and my personal favorite Final Fantasy.

Fans of Final Fantasy in general. Sorry, but, that's kind of a duh.

Ooooops sorry; but hey since we're all misreading things at the moment, can I jump on the band wagon too? It was just a misinterpretation on my part.
My bad :(

Heh, yeah, sure. Welcome to the bandwagon.

Happens to the best of us, Agent. Also, just a brief off-topic question I feel the need to ask, how are you liking XIII? Maybe tell me in a visitor message if you want so as to keep the thread on-topic :)

You may now resume with your regularly-scheduled programming; this concludes my test of the ask-Agent-how-he-liked-XIII system.

Because it's popular. Popular things often get unwarranted hate from "underground", edgy hipsters.

No. Just because something is popular doesn't mean that it's perfect. Maybe there are some that hate it purely because it's popular, but there are those that have good reasons.

I would like to replay IX since because I'm older than when I first did, I might notice things in the story a lot more than when I did. Only problem; the 4th disc is MIA D:!!

Because it's popular. Popular things often get unwarranted hate from "underground", edgy hipsters.

Just like people who don't automatically lavish popular things with unwarranted love are automatically hipsters.

Because it's popular. Popular things often get unwarranted hate from "underground", edgy hipsters.

Meh... FFVII was good back in the day. Now it's old and dated... yet people still rave on about it like it was just released.

I can still sit down and play FFVII from start to finish again and again as though it were my first time, but I can at least recognize that bigger and better things have since come along and pounded it into the dirt.

Only way I could do that is under extreme circumstances. After I beat it that one time I highly doubt I'll go back and play it again. It was a chore just playing it the first time and I don't really feel like going through that again.

It's always a thrill for me, but no different than IX or X or IV are, or any of 'em. But I admit, my willingness to play it all the way through isn't as strong now as it used to be. The game's easy as hell, too. The only boss that ever gave me an ounce of trouble was the Materia Keeper in Mt. Nibel my first time through, but every time since I pwn his ass somethin' fierce.

It's always a thrill for me, but no different than IX or X or IV are, or any of 'em. But I admit, my willingness to play it all the way through isn't as strong now as it used to be. The game's easy as hell, too. The only boss that ever gave me an ounce of trouble was the Materia Keeper in Mt. Nibel my first time through, but every time since I pwn his ass somethin' fierce.

Sometimes it's very hard replaying games that you particularly enjoyed in the past. Maybe FFVII has run its course for you and is not the stimulating game it once was; you have just moved on from that stage in your life.
Remember, things never happen the same way twice.

Well snap...
It's jealousy for the most part.
I like the game although I don't consider myself a rabid fanboy.
Too..some fans may have been obnixious and turned off other people.

The game is STILL one of the best FF games ever made in my opinion.Ony FFVI and Tactics might be better and then it might just be my taste in games.

Certainly better written and a more cohesive plot/interesting characters developed as opposed to FFXII and FFXIII for example.

shrugs.

Not in favor of a remake but I do believe the game will be remade eventually and a lot of the people who pan it will buy the new version of it and make Square a lot of money.

Not in favor of a remake but I do believe the game will be remade eventually and a lot of the people who pan it will buy the new version of it and make Square a lot of money.

Good for them, huh?

Not in favor of a remake but I do believe the game will be remade eventually and a lot of the people who pan it will buy the new version of it and make Square a lot of money.

Unfortunately that may happen. The majority of people screaming for a remake, want it with better graphics, altered story parts (IE Aeris not dying) etc etc.

You have those who are FFVII fans, who do enjoy the game etc. Then you have the rabid, insane fanbase, who compare every game with FFVII and say FFVII is superior no matter what genre of game is being used.

I'd gladly take the remake if it's not as boring as the original.

Then you have the rabid, insane fanbase, who compare every game with FFVII and say FFVII is superior no matter what genre of game is being used.

lol, You make them sound like drooling mongrels! :D


Unfortunately that may happen. The majority of people screaming for a remake, want it with better graphics, altered story parts (IE Aeris not dying) etc etc.

If they altered FF VII's storyline, wouldn't they then have to remake AC, as the stories wouldn't exactly compute with each other? Jeez, it would turn into a holy mess!
Anyway Aerith's death was an important sacrifice in the game, to leave it out would be to 'nambie pambie' it up. At this rate why don't they remake CC and let Zack live too, or even let Sephiroth stay on the 'goodies' side??? What these fanboys/girls ask for just keeps getting even more ludicrous! "If it aint broke, leave it alone"........or in this case "Leave it alone" huh?

If they altered FF VII's storyline, wouldn't they then have to remake AC, as the stories wouldn't exactly compute with each other? Jeez, it would turn into a holy mess!
Anyway Aerith's death was an important sacrifice in the game, to leave it out would be to 'nambie pambie' it up. At this rate why don't they remake CC and let Zack live too, or even let Sephiroth stay on the 'goodies' side??? What these fanboys/girls ask for just keeps getting even more ludicrous! "If it aint broke, leave it alone"........or in this case "Leave it alone" huh?

Reboots are popular among developers these days. If they remake FFVII I wouldn't be surprised that they'd alter the storyline.

Reboots are popular among developers these days. If they remake FFVII I wouldn't be surprised that they'd alter the storyline.

That would be bad. The story isn't that clear to begin with! If they start messing with it, no one will have a hope in hell understanding it. Unfortunately though, me thinks you're spot on.

If anything, they'll probably add an "in-game device" where they can at least have Aerith in the party for battles but keep her dead. Maybe have it as a Gold Saucer award or something where they can even add Sephiroth to the device. Pretty much makes a hologram of the character that you can use for battles. But they should just keep the story the same for reasons already stated above.

If anything, they'll probably add an "in-game device" where they can at least have Aerith in the party for battles but keep her dead. Maybe have it as a Gold Saucer award or something where they can even add Sephiroth to the device. Pretty much makes a hologram of the character that you can use for battles.

Gods, would they really do something like that??? That just makes my blood run cold, would the fans accept something as apparently lame as that?.......hold it; back track a bit there, the fans would accept anything SE threw at them and herld it as the greatest thing since the beginning of creation right? Am I being harsh or realistic?

That's the thing... most fans don't know what they want. Just blindly follow others lead and see where it goes.

That's the thing... most fans don't know what they want. Just blindly follow others lead and see where it goes.

*Baa baa Black Sheep.......!*

*Baa baa Black Sheep.......!*
Why's it always gotta be black with you?

Gods, would they really do something like that??? That just makes my blood run cold, would the fans accept something as apparently lame as that?.......hold it; back track a bit there, the fans would accept anything SE threw at them and herld it as the greatest thing since the beginning of creation right? Am I being harsh or realistic?

I figure they'd do that so the stupid fanboys would shut up about Aerith's death because they can at LEAST play as her still. And to further milk it, add Sephiroth to it just so they can cream their pants. But you're are being realistic because I can see it happening.

Isn't there precedent for that? Can't you control a whole bunch of different characters in battle in X-2 International and Last Mission?

That's the thing... most fans don't know what they want. Just blindly follow others lead and see where it goes.

QFT.

Isn't there precedent for that? Can't you control a whole bunch of different characters in battle in X-2 International and Last Mission?

Actually I have no idea. I've never played it :(. Maybe someone made an English patch...let's find out!

Reboots are popular among developers these days. If they remake FFVII I wouldn't be surprised that they'd alter the storyline.

Genesis, Shelke, Shalua Rui, Weiss, Nero, Angeal, Lazard and others will all show up in any potential remake.

Genesis, Shelke, Shalua Rui, Weiss, Nero, Angeal, Lazard and others will all show up in any potential remake.

Genesis, Shelke, Shalua Rui, Weiss, Nero, Angeal, Lazard and others will all show up in any potential remake.

Not that it's a good thing, mind you. But you know it'll happen. It will. And you know. That it will. And you know. It will.

Not that it's a good thing, mind you. But you know it'll happen. It will. And you know. That it will. And you know. It will.

Wait a minute CC, are you trying to tell us that the remake will indeed happen???? :D

Considering how the latest games released by SE have sucked, they'll need to recoup their losses... so as much as I hate to admit, they may decide to do the unthinkable...

SE has always said it's simply a matter of when, not a matter of whether or not they're going to do it.

I just think SE should work on newer titles, instead of remaking older titles.

Considering how the latest games released by SE have sucked, they'll need to recoup their losses... so as much as I hate to admit, they may decide to do the unthinkable...

Final_Fantasy_The_4_Heroes_Of_Light for the NDS has been rather fun...

Final_Fantasy_The_4_Heroes_Of_Light for the NDS has been rather fun...

That's a spin off, not a mainstream FF game. While that may be a good/fun game, others SE has made/produced/developed/etc are lackluster, boring and generally a waste of time and money. I could list some examples if you want.

That's a spin off, not a mainstream FF game. While that may be a good/fun game, others SE has made/produced/developed/etc are lackluster, boring and generally a waste of time and money. I could list some examples if you want.
It may be, but you wrote "latest games released by SE have sucked", that's a fairly open statement.

I could list some as well like FF13, but there's still a few games they're releasing (maybe not developing) like Legend of Kage 2 and the new Front Mission (Okay, so it's not FM3...but still).

I know it's a 'fairly open statement', and I still stand by it. IMO, SE has lost the know how, when it comes to making a great game. There may be some exceptions (Front Mission Evolved for one), but they are few and far between.

What do you think of their Valkyrie series????? I thought SE did a good job at that. It's a bit like the Acteraiser of old; back when it was just Enix....maybe that's part of it, I dunno.

Valkyrie Profile was fun for the first 2 dungeons. The unlockable characters were a nice gimmick... But then, the game becomes pretty boooooooooooring & repetitive. I couldn't finish it because it won against my patience. I've reached Ragnarok, the enemies out there were outrageously hard to kill & the fights were almost always mandatory if you fall of a cliff.

That game isn't very good. It pretty average.

What about Valkyrie Lenneth?

I've never even touched the PSP version...

If this is going to turn into a big off-topic conversation about non-FF games, then I'm going to end the thread. Please take it to PM.

Ok then, well imo SE haven't completely lost their touch, maybe if their future FF titiles had a more fantasy rather than sci-fi storyline then it might be better all round.
Or what they could do is have a happy medium between the two, a bit like FF IX. I still think that they make good RPGs, 'cause let's face it there aren't actually that many out there ratio wise to other video game genres. I'm not in any size, shape or form, saying that they are the gods of the RPG world; rather that they contribute nicely to it.

That's not the issue that I have with the post VII FF games(with the exception of XII a game that I liked).
Putting the gameplay aside, the setting is not the problem at all... The problem is the fucking characters & a bit of the Art design.
The protagonists got annoying, the link with the Secondary characters is almost non-existent now, there's almost no flavor or backstory to support their personalities.
The Villains, well they're just villains now & that's it.

The art design in IX was really awkward, ugly, I didn't liked it at all. In VIII was OK. In X was just ridiculous & laughable, the clothes & the hair stylist of Spira had issues.
In XIII appears to be a combination of X & VIII.

SE needs to go back to their roots, and hopefully the next FF title will be a reflection of one of the earlier titles. I agree with topopoz regarding how the recent titles have failed with Character design and the rapport between them, that there's practically none and that they appear to be thrown in just for the sake of it. I admit, I used to love FF but the direction SE is seemingly taking it now...

Anyway, back to topic...

FFVII for it's time was a great game and I know some people who consider it to be the one game which brought the RPG genre from the niche market it was in, into the mainstream audience. So yes, it is due some congratulations. However, the amount of people who flock to it and bow to it like it's the God of every game available... true that may not be the game's fault but rather the fault of some of the fanbase, but also the fault lies on SE for spawning the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII, and just adding fuel to the fandom fire to gain more money. Which, from a company stand point, isn't a bad way to rake in the $$$ but at what cost?

true that may not be the game's fault but rather the fault of some of the fanbase, but also the fault lies on SE for spawning the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII, and just adding fuel to the fandom fire to gain more money. Which, from a company stand point, isn't a bad way to rake in the $$$ but at what cost?

Especially considering that the only people who value the game's integrity, those who criticize the compilation, are the minority. From a corporate standpoint, the worst they will do is not buy the game and try (unsuccessfully) to convince others via online Final Fantasy forums that the game sucks - or, worded differently, that it has an unwarranted fanbase.

And can someone tell me if the people who buy the new FFVII "ripoffs" are the same people who were so profoundly moved by the initial game's release, or if it's a bandwagon on which everyone has jumped?

I enjoyed Crisis Core much more than FFVII. The main reason: I didn't find it boring. Sure there were a few parts in the story that seemed like it kinda dragged on, but not nearly as bad as FFVII was. And I rather enjoyed the music (even if it was mainly just a bunch of different variations of the same song. FFX was like that too and I also enjoyed that music). But as many of you already know, I'm not a fan of FFVII.

Crisis Core is probably the only part of the FFVIICompilation that actually feels like the same world as the original game. It looks more realistic and detailed, but it does actually feel as if I'm in the same Midgar, the same Shinra Mansion, the same everything, whereas Dirge of Cerberus and Advent Children feel like an entirely different universe all together. However, it could also have to do with the viewpoint technique, crafting the feel of each game to match the way the central character sees it all. Dirge of Cerberus has a very dark and foreboding feel, much as Vincent probably sees it. Crisis Core seems a little more bright and promising, such as how Zack feels about it. And Advent Children is just emo fest emo fest emo fest, hence Cloud being the lead.

It's called alternate endings.

FFX-2 has alternate endings although most FF players seem to pan those.

Some of the Ogre battle games, some of them made by people who now work for Square have alternate storylines based upon whether you follow the good path or evil path.

Square has never done anything like that in an FF but there's always a first time.
Some thing along those lines could enable you to keep Aerlith alive.

I do expect Square would tweek the game beyond mere improved graphics.

Some thing along those lines could enable you to keep Aerlith alive.

Aerith's death was integral to FFVII's story.

Crisis Core is probably the only part of the FFVIICompilation that actually feels like the same world as the original game. It looks more realistic and detailed, but it does actually feel as if I'm in the same Midgar, the same Shinra Mansion, the same everything, whereas Dirge of Cerberus and Advent Children feel like an entirely different universe all together. However, it could also have to do with the viewpoint technique, crafting the feel of each game to match the way the central character sees it all. Dirge of Cerberus has a very dark and foreboding feel, much as Vincent probably sees it. Crisis Core seems a little more bright and promising, such as how Zack feels about it. And Advent Children is just emo fest emo fest emo fest, hence Cloud being the lead.

You have to remember that AC and DoC take place in Edge. I haven't beaten DoC but in AC Cloud obviously goes into Midgar a few times.

Aerith's death was integral to FFVII's story.
Seconded. But if a VII remake were actually made, there are tweaks that would be worthwhile, besides obvious graphical or game engine improvements:

- All grammatical error corrections made in the PC version retained and other tweaks to the script.
- Yuffie and Vincent included in the game's ending, obviously.
- Enhanced sidequests at the Gold Saucer / chocobo
- A journal system like in Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy XIII that would allow players to keep track of the game's sometimes meandering storyline
- Skippable cutscenes are a must, especially for things like the Nibelheim flashback in Kalm Town

There's actually an interesting thing about the Aerith's Death being integral to the Storyline. There are patches & Gameshark codes & screenshots that show that Aerith had some dialogs after the Forgotten Capital ride.

Anyway it doesn't matter to me, I prefer that the game stayed the way it is, with Aeris dead.

I agree with the tweaks that Agent offers.

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There's actually an interesting thing about the Aerith's Death being integral to the Storyline. There are patches & Gameshark codes & screenshots that show that Aerith had some dialogs after the Forgotten Capital ride.

Anyway it doesn't matter to me, I prefer that the game stayed the way it is, with Aeris dead.

I agree with the tweaks that Agent offers.

I've already mentioned that. Apparently it wasn't the original idea that she was going to die and that's why she did. In fact, Tifa wasn't even a character then.

There were multiple teams working on FFVII, and there was miscommunication between, hence the extra dialogue for Aeris after her death.

If there ever was a remake, I'd rather have FF6 in HD myself, I think they at SE need to make Yuffie and Vincent have a better stake in the story.

Something that makes them part of the story and not just 'extra stuff for the hell of it'.

I agree; Vincent is a far more integral part of the overall plot than just an extra character thrown in. Say you play through VII and never find him, then immediately go on to Dirge of Cerberus and the WTF Light comes on over your head, and you think, 'What the hell did Cloud do to his hair? Oh wait, this is a cool guy, not a confused emo.' And Yuffie, although I can't stand her, should also probably be mandatory to at least encounter; nobody ever said you had to keep her around.

The problem is that Vincent is an awful character & Yuffie is even worse.

True....as far as Aerlith's death being integral to the storyline.
But if you believe in alternate threads you might change things.

shrugs...

Whether Square would offer fans a chance to undue her death remains to be seen...as well as what the ramifications of that would be.

You seem to be one of the fanboys/girls we loathe. There is no reason why she needs to live. Give me a legitimate as to why you think it's a good idea to keep her alive besides her having a useful limit break.

I don't care if you loathe me fella.I don't consider myself a fanboy I have already said I am against a remake. A fanboy would want a remake.So you obviously haven't been reading my comments.

I never said I wanted her Aeris/Aerlith to live.I said Square might want to consider a game with alternate storylines and/or alternate endings.

True....as far as Aerlith's death being integral to the storyline.
But if you believe in alternate threads you might change things.

shrugs...

Whether Square would offer fans a chance to undue her death remains to be seen...as well as what the ramifications of that would be.

Seems to me that you're heavily implying that you would want her to live. And I'm no fanboy but if the remake is much faster paced than the original I'd much rather have that. At least then, I would be inclined to play this game again. But for now, I won't because I don't want to put myself in that situation again.

Wow IDX, FF7 is to you what FF9 is to me.

Seems to me that you're heavily implying that you would want her to live. And I'm no fanboy but if the remake is much faster paced than the original I'd much rather have that. At least then, I would be inclined to play this game again. But for now, I won't because I don't want to put myself in that situation again.

I don't care.Like I said, I am not in favor of a remake but I expect one because it would be financial windfall for Square.

Since the fans seem so down on Square I wondered if doing something like having alternate storylines might juice up the franchise for the doubters, people who have lost faith in Square.

Wow IDX, FF7 is to you what FF9 is to me.

I didn't really like IX either though. But I was like, 12 or 13 when I beat that one so I might have a different opinion if I play it now. But I can't because the 4th disc is missing :(. I find it pointless to play it knowing fully well at some point I won't be able to continue.


I don't care.Like I said, I am not in favor of a remake but I expect one because it would be financial windfall for Square.

Since the fans seem so down on Square I wondered if doing something like having alternate storylines might juice up the franchise for the doubters, people who have lost faith in Square.

But they won't simply because it's just....stupid.

I don't care.Like I said, I am not in favor of a remake but I expect one because it would be financial windfall for Square.

Since the fans seem so down on Square I wondered if doing something like having alternate storylines might juice up the franchise for the doubters, people who have lost faith in Square.

If they did that then everyone would loose respect for them. Unless of course they made an incredibly good job out of it........which I sincerly doubt anyone could, with something as lame as 'alternetive endings'. Judging by what yourself and IDX are saying, a remake is a really bad idea unless SE can guarentee a 100% improvement from the previous plot. How they could carry this off, I don't know.

I think the plot itself is fine even if that kind of story has been around forever. They just need to quicken the pace with extra stuff to do to further the plot, make the music more exciting in areas that would put me to sleep (there's a few towns where the music just needs to be better but can't think of them at the moment), and more side-quests. The ones they did have were pretty stale.

They should just start this game from scratch. Alter a few scenes to be more exciting (Aerith needs to die) or something. If the remake is released and it's just as bad as the original...well then, I would have to say that FFVII itself just sucks because they obviously screwed up the second time.

This coming from a kid who thinks VIII had a great story and characters :rolleyes:

They should just start this game from scratch. Alter a few scenes to be more exciting (Aerith needs to die) or something. If the remake is released and it's just as bad as the original...well then, I would have to say that FFVII itself just sucks because they obviously screwed up the second time.

Somehow I've a feeling that if there was a remake, it would be completely different from the original. I'ld say that the only similarities would be the name of the characters, the main protagonist and antagonist. The characterisations of each person would be closer to the CC and AC versions. As an up shot of this, the plot might be a lot more coherent and consistent to the other installments. Since the original director, Sagaguchi, is no longer working on the franchise, Nomura and Co. will have the freedom to change it to their liking. I see this as a potentially good thing, however I would feel that a remake at this time would be kinda pointless as the franchise has moved on from this point to a different slant.
SE may feel though, that they have a very good concept that hasn't been extrapulated on enough, thus cheating themselves out of big money. Definitely there is a potential to make this one of their best but I think that the delivery of this remake would be a bit too late for any great sales. I could be wrong of course (most likely I am) but imo the fanatics of the previous version ruined any enthusiasm for this supposed remake.
The general conscenses would be to leave well enough alone and to go on to make bigger and better titles.


This coming from a kid who thinks VIII had a great story and characters

FF VIII is a good game; and if he thinks it is then so be it. Far be it from you to judge, you nimrod.

I've got nothing against a remake. But if they're gonna make one, then all I ask is that Sephiroth should have a chainsaw instead of a katana. That way Aerith's death would be more epic.

The whole game would be worth replaying just for that scene.

Holy cowzermonjonsicals, this made me about die laughing :D


I've got nothing against a remake. But if they're gonna make one, then all I ask is that Sephiroth should have a chainsaw instead of a katana. That way Aerith's death would be more epic.

The whole game would be worth replaying just for that scene.

:objection:

Square Enix is not kidding when they say that it would be extremely expensive and time consuming to make a Final Fantasy VII remake (at least for the PS3 like everybody wants). They're not betraying their fans, it's just good business. The only thing I can see happening is a remake for one of the handhelds.

And see, I'd enjoy that. In keeping with their tradition, I think it only makes sense to make it for PSP along with VIII and IX (and maybe even a X port one day, that'd be nice.).

Somehow I've a feeling that if there was a remake, it would be completely different from the original. I'ld say that the only similarities would be the name of the characters, the main protagonist and antagonist. The characterisations of each person would be closer to the CC and AC versions.

This is the truth & that's the main reason that I'm completely against it. NO REMAKE IT'S BETTARRRRRRRRRRR

This coming from a kid who thinks VIII had a great story and characters :rolleyes:

That's your opinion. There are people who do enjoy FFVIII for a multitude of reasons, and yes I'm one of them.


Somehow I've a feeling that if there was a remake, it would be completely different from the original. I'ld say that the only similarities would be the name of the characters, the main protagonist and antagonist. The characterisations of each person would be closer to the CC and AC versions. As an up shot of this, the plot might be a lot more coherent and consistent to the other installments. Since the original director, Sagaguchi, is no longer working on the franchise, Nomura and Co. will have the freedom to change it to their liking. I see this as a potentially good thing, however I would feel that a remake at this time would be kinda pointless as the franchise has moved on from this point to a different slant.
SE may feel though, that they have a very good concept that hasn't been extrapulated on enough, thus cheating themselves out of big money. Definitely there is a potential to make this one of their best but I think that the delivery of this remake would be a bit too late for any great sales. I could be wrong of course (most likely I am) but imo the fanatics of the previous version ruined any enthusiasm for this supposed remake.
The general conscenses would be to leave well enough alone and to go on to make bigger and better titles.

Quoted for truth

There are people who do enjoy FFVIII for a multitude of reasons, and yes I'm one of them.

Hopefully not because of the story or characters lol :P.

I haven�t read all comments, but I think people hates VII because envy is free, and they talk by the mouth as they have been playing to RPGs since 198x. (I don�t really like the others FF, but that�s not reason to talk s***)

Final Fantasy has been and will always be the best RPG series for videogames, no matter which title is better or worse. They are into the same world of fantasy, with their own characthers, magics, etc... They�re belong to the same family, and must be respected for what they represent to.

I haven�t read all comments, but I think people hates VII because envy is free, and they talk by the mouth as they have been playing to RPGs since 198x. (I don�t really like the others FF, but that�s not reason to talk s***)

Final Fantasy has been and will always be the best RPG series for videogames, no matter which title is better or worse. They are into the same world of fantasy, with their own characthers, magics, etc... They�re belong to the same family, and must be respected for what they represent to.

I . . . think I agree :D Assuming I read all that correctly. . . .

I haven�t read all comments, but I think people hates VII because envy is free, and they talk by the mouth as they have been playing to RPGs since 198x. (I don�t really like the others FF, but that�s not reason to talk s***)

Final Fantasy has been and will always be the best RPG series for videogames, no matter which title is better or worse. They are into the same world of fantasy, with their own characthers, magics, etc... They�re belong to the same family, and must be respected for what they represent to.

To each their own.

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I think, instead of the original FFVII remake for PS3, they should remake the Before Crises for the DS. I bbelieve the game was only available in Japan on cellphones, so it would cost much less for SE to make with. Also, beacuse not too many people have played Before Crises before, it would be vieved opon as another prequel to the storyline and many people would purchase it giving SE a huge profit. They would not have to risk the VII remake being a total failure and losing mollions of dollars.

*A bunch of Engrish nonsense*

Are you on crack?

Are you on crack?

Sensitive Troll shit whatever man... Or Crack. =D

Just when I think I don't have enough fans around here some random troll comes along and calls me 'the forum's most stupid user'. Now I feel special ;D

That's because you're special Basch fon Ronsenberg, everyone loves special people.

Just when I think I don't have enough fans around here some random troll comes along and calls me 'the forum's most stupid user'. Now I feel special ;D
It's quite simple, really. It's because you are Vash the Stam- er, I mean, Basch fon Ronsenberg.

Lol you guys, now I feel appreciated again ;)

it's probably cuz of it becoming overrated. I do think it's one of the best rpg's to ever come out, but I also want to humbly say that I have this opinion after looking deeply into the games aspects. I dunno how it really is, but i think the general fans of this game only like it because it got popular or "trendy" to like FFVII. so i think people started hating on the game due to the fact that it became somewhat "popular" for stupid reasons. It became hard to see who the true fans and people who truly appreciate the game are now. But you have to admit, when it first came out for the PSX, the graphics and stuff were revolutionary.

Lol you guys, now I feel appreciated again

Hey man, no sweat! We love you, you know that! Trolls like that will enevitably have to bow down to your greatness one day, you just wait and see!....Those inferior dullards, take now heed of the big meanie!

A typical analysis of the Forum Troll.

ROFL, I can't begin to tell you who that reminds me of :laugh:

I love the game, but it's overrated.

What I like most are the Materia mechanics. Love both VII and X though, maybe because they are the first two FFs I've played.

FFVII is one of my favorite FFs. I don't understand why it's so hated. What's to hate? Last time I checked, it was rated as one of the best video games of all time, yet FF fans actually hate it??

agreed 110% ... anyone who hates this game just simply has no taste

agreed 110% ... anyone who hates this game just simply has no taste


I know she's got some big tits, but that milk you're drinking is making you pants on head retarded.

agreed 110% ... anyone who hates this game just simply has no taste

It's not the game I hate... it's the rabid fanbase I hate.

The unlockable characters were a nice gimmick... But then, the game becomes pretty boring & repetitive. I couldn't finish it because it won against my patience.

I know she's got some big tits, but that milk you're drinking is making you pants on head retarded.

oh look, one of the 8 billion tifa hentai flash games. at least that one was decent.

I think it's an awesome game to be honest. Not the best game ever, not even the best Final Fantasy ever but still pretty damn good. The fans are like a bunch of gay piranha though... that's why it's (unfairly) hated.

Hello.

I am a final fantasy fan and i can't stand ff7 due to the fan service hype it gets and the amount of milking ff7 and characters get.

From ff tactics to those 3 disney games which always have cloud and sephiroth,its just so tired and old now.

When i first found out about this game,i was in my late teens and a preson i knew at school was raving about ff7 and a game called alundra.

I eventually got the game and played it a lot beating it,over the years i developed a kind of presonal dislike for cloud more than sephiroth.
The sephiroth hate from me came later when the fanboys wouldn't shut the hell up about him and i got sick of hearing about sephiroth and cloud,i was like:can't you talk about tifa? or perhaps:cid? or barret? any other character but cloud and sephiroth.

Part of the problem with ff7,is that the game concentrates on 1 character instead of multiple like ff6 and so the characters aren't as strongly portrayed.

FF6 does have its weak characters as well like mog umaro gogo,but they are extra characters.

Going back to ff7.

It seems to center more around cloud than any other character and for my personal taste,i really prefer ff6 style which develops every other character.

I really liked the materia system and ambigious directions of going around the world. There are a lot of extra stuff that was really fun, like going through Golden Saucer with Red XIII instead of Aeris or Tifa. FF7 was just an enjoyable experiance for me. I liked the characters but the music is what really stood certain once out. I mean Aeris theme really created an outstanding atmosphere for that event. Now I also didn't like Cloud very much till after he recovered his memories since at that time you find out what really happens. Off topic time: My favorite character in the game is Red Xiii because well he was cool and who doesn't like a talking tiger lion mix(liger)? Now it is annoying if people are like omg this game is the best. Same thing occurs with the CoD series and Halo. Now because of all the spin-offs, i'm kinda done with the shooting series for a long time. Holy cow do I not keep on topic.

Summary: Great game I liked it, not the best in the world, but was an amazing experiance to play which had someone influence on me of what a good game looks like.

FF6 does have its weak characters as well like mogYou say this now, and then you feel absolutely terrible for him in the world of ruin. All of his friends are killed and he sees his girlfriend's charm on the wall. Umaro and Gogo are gimmick characters, but Mog actually had a reason to fight in the World of Ruin.

You say this now, and then you feel absolutely terrible for him in the world of ruin. All of his friends are killed and he sees his girlfriend's charm on the wall. Umaro and Gogo are gimmick characters, but Mog actually had a reason to fight in the World of Ruin.

You know what makes me feel like a criminal? in ff tactics.

When those stupid chocobos keep breeding,and then when i tell them to go,they give me those sad chocobo eyes and a sad speech.
I'm like:DAMM YOU CHOCOBOS!!