Which is funny cause I hardly consider your presence here as contributing to anything remotely positive.

And you have? And I never claimed to be a great member in the first place. Sorry to disappoint you, O great one.


And since you're so fast to point out that other people are ignorant instead of looking at your own faults (Which are more then plenty!)

Gee, I have flaws. No way, this is news to me Mr.Spock. I believe this comes with being human.

I have not been in chat regularly for a very long time, it is hardly surprising that I feel alieniated and 'out of the loop', or whatever. Frankly, I still go here because ive been around 3 1/2 years and it's pretty much a habit now. I would love to know how you can tell how 'plenty' my flaws are without actually knowing me, at all.

And I can't really recall the last time I 'pointed out someone is ignorant'. I've moaned about Swami alright, but thats about it really and I doubt I will ever bring up the topic again. Lately i've just been posting in the football thread on GD, updating the music rumble and posting in various FF stuff.


I hardly consider you to be in a position to judge people as being a moron. Cause, so far, you're the one acting like one.

Why, because I think FFS is at a low point in its history? Maybe the fact so many regulars have stopped coming here might suggest something to you.


But hey, maybe no one will notice your posts being so weak if you end every single one of them in a snappy, kthx? Actually, no. No thanks. And no, it's not ok.

lawl.

Ebichu is a valued member here at Final Fantasy Shrine, with posts always aimed to help or entertain. While he may direct some insults towards some members deserving of them, he is always one who understands the beauty of life. And whether such beauty is a hooker from the streets of Burma or the musings of a teenager or adult on various subjects ranging from video games to politics, that beauty is always something Ebichu wishes to maintain. Perhaps no one is more valued than Ebichu, a Gold Star member of Final Fantasy Shrine.

So now we come to Bryan, also known as Hex Omega, a possible pedophile after his encounter with Twilight, a much less valued member of Final Fantasy Shrine in the eyes of many - though that many isn't as many now since this site is on life support. His stay is still a welcomed one to some, with posts ranging from subjects of real football to Final Fantasy. Still, he grew through the ranks as a jackass - one who sought to attack others for reasons both good and bad. One can't deny that certain members, notably Theta Sigma and The Master, deserve what's coming their way, but Bryan has chosen to berate both the deserving and undeserving throughout his stay. As Pat would say, "Bad boy". Perhaps an interesting member to some, but his value was never any more than a quarter of a Toyota Corolla.

And so we see Ebichu, giving Bryan what I feel is a welcome taste of justice - to dish out such criticism that Bryan would normally deliver to others in a much more inappropriate fashion. Perhaps Swami is a huge jackass, but I am not one to care since he Brawls with me. And Ebichu, in his first argument, brought the heavy ammo. No contribution, he believes, is brought by Bryan. Bryan largely and wholly agrees, and goes on to employ sarcasm to highlight an ill-conceived notion that Ebichu is of the same uncultured, unwelcome ilk. One can only look at Ebichu and his Pimp Daddy name, and see his wondrous contributions. From his excellent moderating of the #ffshrine chat-room, to his Metal Gear Solid 4 appreciation - he truly shines above most. And Bryan is not this shining beacon, by his own admission.

And so Ebichu continues, expressing his disgust at Bryan for his hypocrisy in how he insulted those with rhetoric that could very well be said about him. Bryan immediately combats this with oft used but very true argument, that "to err is human". And so true is that, Bryan and Ebichu both of human flesh, with passions, joys and frustrations - but Bryan's mention of this seems misplaced. Ebichu must understand he is human and thus flawed, but his flaws are not the same as Bryan's, and thus Ebichu feels justified in mentioning Bryan's shortcomings. Bryan then goes on to mention feelings of alienation - ones that he believes stems from his long hiatus in chat, perhaps even spurred by then half-op anyname's kick of Bryan for his homophobic comments. Bryan explains how he is simply a creature of habit and still posts regularly in some portions of Final Fantasy Shrine, with no understanding of how Ebichu could see his imperfections. Bryan contends that Ebichu can't see these flaws simply because he is not a friend, but fails to understand that he himself has already left behind a great impression of who he really is. One does not spend hours in chat, and time each day posting with some regularity without showing the public at least a glimpse of who he is.

Ebichu goes on and further questions Bryan's hypocrisy, asking him how he could call others moronic when he himself is posting just as, if not more, moronic than any poster here at Final Fantasy Shrine. Instead of outright answering the question, Bryan tells Ebichu something he already knows - that Final Fantasy Shrine is dying. Trying to use common sense as an insult, he fails miserably to battle against Ebichu's claim, and only bolsters it, falling to the intellect of this Gold Star member. And Ebichu would finish by telling Bryan his view of the Omega posting style, one that he feels is "weak" and definitely not "ok". And Bryan, perhaps realizing that he cannot simply respond with a "kthx" followed by meaningless banter, instead chooses to "lawl" it off. As if that were any different.

The truth. You can find it in the post above. ^

Hmm that was quite a read. I'm not sure if those were true sentiments or if there is an insider and/or sarcasm that flew over my head so.... yeah.

Whoa fucking owned.

Woah, just woah Garamond.

Here's the video of when it was revealed.

Link (http://kotaku.com/5026902/relive-the-thrill-of-final-fantasy-xiiis-xbox-360-announcement)

:)

Dammit Denny lol

I wonder why they chose to include the ginger one from Girls Aloud.

Whoa, how did i get brought i up in that?

Whoa, how did i get brought i up in that?

are you kidding me? That was legendary.

It will be on the PS3 first so no worries for me. :p

I personally like Bryan better than Ebichu. Just thought I'd say that, since I think it's a little unfair some of the treatment he's getting in this thread.

I don't mind Ebichu, though, and none of the forum regulars are that bad that they justify some of stuff said in this thread.

wow, final fantasy 13 goes 360, it was expected.
though i remember square announced a versions of 13 to every single system... expcet the wii and ds, which is stupid, why deny a final fantasy to a money making machine?

Because the Wii is only really a money making machine for Nintendo. Look how little third party support it has; it's mainly shovelware or nothing. The problem with the Wii is that while it's sold a lot of units, it's who it's been sold to that's the issue. A large proportion of Wii owners will only buy a few games a year, if that. The Wii has the lowest attach rate out of all the currently running consoles.

Not to sound condescending... but where are these statistics coming from?

Just look at game sales. The Wii attracts a much broader audience than the other consoles, a good portion of which are basically Wii Sports/Wii Fit/Wii whatever type people, who won't buy anything else and aren't interested in any other kind of games. They make money off the actual console so I doubt Nintendo really cares all too much. I wouldn't doubt it if the highest selling game next year is Wii Sports Resort - actually, I'd probably be surprised if it isn't.

It will be on the PS3 first so no worries for me. :p

No it won't. Both games are getting released on the same day, worry. PS3 fanboys please do some research before you post.

Anyway. You guys are forgetting the main reason FFXIII can't go on the Wii. It doesn't have the graphic capabilities. All the Wii really is, is a Gamecube with a gimmick.

Maybe he can read Japanese and is importing it!

Or he lives in Japan.

Maybe he can read Japanese and is importing it!


Or he lives in Japan.

From chat:
SVX-Zexion> No
SVX-Zexion> IM AMERICAN!

No it won't. Both games are getting released on the same day, worry. PS3 fanboys please do some research before you post.

Anyway. You guys are forgetting the main reason FFXIII can't go on the Wii. It doesn't have the graphic capabilities. All the Wii really is, is a Gamecube with a gimmick.

ff13 for cellphones beg to differ.

when i said they were making VERSIONS to anything than can handle games, i literally meant VERSIONS.
and while its true the wii has few third party support, this is not a valid reason to not make a version for wii.
money making machine + money making game = gazillion of fijillion of billions of munnies for both companies.

Sorry guys I'm late... I've not been able to really "contribute" much to the FFS and pretty much everything I've posted has been met with some type of negativity or has been completly ignored but I expect that. I'm a new guy and not well known yet. I've been gaming since Atari 2600 to present, and don't care what anyone thinks. We all can't be winners at this game called life. (Wish I had a GameShark for it though.) oh and DOWN WITH 360, LONG LIVE PS3.

You are my hero tdkryu.

We all know that putting FFXIII on the 360 is a genius plan from Sony and square-enix. People with a 360 will buy FFXIII love it and then they will find out that FF vs XIII is a PS3 exclusive and they will rush and and buy a PS3 so that they can play it. It's is foolproof MWAHAHAHAHA.

ff13 for cellphones beg to differ.

when i said they were making VERSIONS to anything than can handle games, i literally meant VERSIONS.
and while its true the wii has few third party support, this is not a valid reason to not make a version for wii.
money making machine + money making game = gazillion of fijillion of billions of munnies for both companies.

I really don't think the Wii gamers would accept an inferior version of the game, the 360 and the PS3 gamers will get, and it would be inferior. So why bother?

tdktyu: I was with you until you made that fanboy comment at the end.

Harkus: Dream on. Square-Enix has no loyalty to Sony. Business is business, and S-E is giving Sony a warning. Either the PS3 pick up momentum, or we'll do business elsewhere. Remember Tecmo was with Sony until Rygar: The Legendary Journey completely flopped, even though it was a good game. If it wasn't for that PS2 just might have gotten Ninja Gaiden and DOA3. And don't say the PS2 couldn't handle those games, because it could easily.

just a little bit more info

http://www.gamestop.com/browse/search.aspx?N=0&Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=inal%20Fantasy%20Versus%20XIII

There now taking pre-orders for 360

BECAUSE GAMESTOP IS ALWAYS ON THE BALL WITH INSIDE INFO, MIR?! FORGET WAITING TO HEAR SOMETHING OFFICIAL FROM SE LET'S ALL CHECK THE GAMESTOP SITE!

You dumbass.

BECAUSE GAMESTOP IS ALWAYS ON THE BALL WITH INSIDE INFO, MIR?! FORGET WAITING TO HEAR SOMETHING OFFICIAL FROM SE LET'S ALL CHECK THE GAMESTOP SITE!

You dumbass.

WTF YOU TALKING ABOUT DUMBASS, IM JUST SAYING THAT THERE ALREADY TAKING PRE-ORDERS, THIS PRETTY MUCH CONFIRMS THAT ITS COMING TO 360, EVEN THOUGH SE ALREADY CONFIRMED IT TO THE WORLD "OFFICALLY".

AND YES GAMESTOP IS USUALLY ON THE BALL WITH EVERYTHING MAINLY BECAUSE THEY BRING MORE MONEY TO SONY AND MICROSOFT MORE THAN ANY OTHER GAME PLACE.

FFXIII coming to 360 IS official. Not only was it stated during Microsoft's E3 press conference, it was also stated during Square Enix's E3 show. The only thing is that SE mentioned that they're not going to start working on the 360 version until after they've finished the PS3 one. MS handily forgot to mention that.

IM JUST SAYING THAT THERE ALREADY TAKING PRE-ORDERS, THIS PRETTY MUCH CONFIRMS THAT ITS COMING TO 360, EVEN THOUGH SE ALREADY CONFIRMED IT TO THE WORLD "OFFICALLY".


So how many times does it have to be confirmed to you to consider it confirmed? Maybe we really need to confirm if it's confirmed that Gamestop is taking pre-orders so as to confirm that it's coming to Xbox and finally to really confirm that what SE officially stated is confirmed beyond doubt. It's gonna be a hell of a confirmation this one.

You are my hero tdkryu.

We all know that putting FFXIII on the 360 is a genius plan from Sony and square-enix. People with a 360 will buy FFXIII love it and then they will find out that FF vs XIII is a PS3 exclusive and they will rush and and buy a PS3 so that they can play it. It's is foolproof MWAHAHAHAHA.
One, NO WAY IN HELL. S-E is not a child and does not collaborate with system developers in a conspiracy to make more money. Now if Sony is willing to shed a few 100,000 more to make it exclusive that's merely coincidental. Also no person in there right mind will pick up a console with barely any exclusives for one exclusive game. Visually the PS3 and 360 are on par (roughly), I'm not gonna pick up the other for one game.

FFXIII coming to 360 IS official. Not only was it stated during Microsoft's E3 press conference, it was also stated during Square Enix's E3 show. The only thing is that SE mentioned that they're not going to start working on the 360 version until after they've finished the PS3 one. MS handily forgot to mention that.
One I'd like tangible proof please, please a link or something. And pleas make the source a good one. Also developing a game earlier doesn't mean they will be released at different times. There is a good chance both versions will be released simultaneously even if the PS3 version is officially finished first.

Jeff, a quick google search confirms that FFXIII will be made on the PS3 first... in Japan.

Localization will then move to US and Eur, followed by the 360 port and finally a simultaneous release.

So far, Versus XIII still PS3 exclusive.

I have my reasons. The BOX may have exculve titles, and Halo is all about online play. The only reason I got the first BOX was KotOR I & II and Conkers L&R. Most of the games I want to play are ported for both.
Gamestop make more money because they are ripoff artist. Plus they own EB Games and the like. I still shop there only cause there is no other game places. Gamestop dude told me XIII is360 bound. Also told me Force Unleashed was cancelled(it's not)

Jeff, a quick google search confirms that FFXIII will be made on the PS3 first... in Japan.

Localization will then move to US and Eur, followed by the 360 port and finally a simultaneous release.

So far, Versus XIII still PS3 exclusive.

what is localization?

A.k.a - Americanize/(?)Europeanize(?)

Straight translation would still make some things difficult to understand as they do shit differently in Japan.

Well you don't "Europeanize" something since Europe is made up of 48 different countries all with their own languages and cultures. I mean, really, we in the UK would find the US localisation more fitting to us that, say, the French one (not least because America speaks our language!)

Jeff, not only was it openly announced at E3 by Microsoft it was also openly announced by Square Enix at E3. Just google for a video of MS's E3 press conference. It's also on every single site that mentions FFXIII - try Wikipedia, Gamefaqs... Hell, ANY site that has FFXIII listed on it. It's not mentioned on the Square Enix site (as far as I could see) but then FFXIII isn't mentioned on the SE site period, for PS3 or 360.

No I mean that they will be released in the USA at different times I haven't heard anything say that.

Rather the people in Japan get the game first is irrelevant. Because they always get Square-Enix RPG's first. The question is will the PS3 game get released first, before the 360 version in the USA, and Europe?

The answer is no.

Edit: Speaking of PS3 exclusives. Eight Days, The Getaway, and Heavenly Sword 2 are rumored to be canceled, according to the latest issue of Game Informer. For people who don't remember Eight days, it's the game with the desert shot out at the diner trailer. The trailer ends with them blowing the diner up after one of the guys lights a match.

Well you don't "Europeanize" something since Europe is made up of 48 different countries all with their own languages and cultures. I mean, really, we in the UK would find the US localisation more fitting to us that, say, the French one (not least because America speaks our language!)

Jeff, not only was it openly announced at E3 by Microsoft it was also openly announced by Square Enix at E3. Just google for a video of MS's E3 press conference. It's also on every single site that mentions FFXIII - try Wikipedia, Gamefaqs... Hell, ANY site that has FFXIII listed on it. It's not mentioned on the Square Enix site (as far as I could see) but then FFXIII isn't mentioned on the SE site period, for PS3 or 360.

The text is also translated to English English (alongside various other european lanuages) before it's released in the UK. Although of course we always get the American voice actors, but thats ok because we're used to that.
Before this generation the game would be made to work on a pal signal and sometimes be optimized to Pal too, but that isnt the case anymore.

Square Enix said that they won't start working on the 360 version till they've finished the PS3 version. They said that at E3 so look for info on Square Enix's presentation at E3. It' just speculation that the 360 version would come out later than the PS3 version in the west, but it's speculation based on the fact that the PS3 localisation will have a massive headstart over the 360 version.

What they might do (again, more speculation) is do a sort of disembodied localisation, not applied to PS3 or 360, and then time it so they finish that localisation at the same time as SE of Japan finish porting FFXIII to the 360. Then they can apply the localisation to both games at once. Again, it all depends how long the port takes.

They said that they'll be releasing the games at the same time for the American/European releases during the Microsoft conference. It's possible that the US/European release of the game may be pushed back a couple months more than it could've originally been released due to porting issues and wanting to have a simultaneous launch, but we'll likely never know that since Square-Enix will likely never tell us if that's the case.

Either way, I don't really care. PS3 losing Final Fantasy exclusivity in itself isn't the problem, it's that a lot of major PS2-exclusive franchises have gone multi-platform and they haven't really found a way to stop that.

I still like the Wii the most - Disgaea 3 could possible change that if I'm willing to shell out the cash for the PS3. I'm still deciding.

I can see PS3 & 360 release at the same time, just imagen crusin' the local Best Buy on one side you have PS3 the other side 360. You look left, you look right and on both sides you see FFXIII. Oh well I'll pick the PS3 port to rock my PS collection of FF then pick Burn Out Paridise.
Really, you say Halo, I say Killzone.

So.. like the GTAIV release?

You won't have to imagine it when the game's released in the States since that's what it is going to be like. Still, I understand why some people would be mad after spending up to $600 for a console spurred mainly on one game when you don't have the cash to buy more than one console per generation given their costs now. But hey, at least the 360 is only $299 now so you can probably save up and get it if you really want to. And you'll still be able to play FFXIII, which will probably play somewhat better on the PS3 since it is being made for that system and there are bound to be some minor issues with a port. I AM JUST GUESSING.

Hi Ebichu.

OMG HI JP!

EBICHU YOU ARE THE BEST!

So.. like the GTAIV release?

hmm... pretty much but better... it will be FFXIII...

One, NO WAY IN HELL. S-E is not a child and does not collaborate with system developers in a conspiracy to make more money. Now if Sony is willing to shed a few 100,000 more to make it exclusive that's merely coincidental. Also no person in there right mind will pick up a console with barely any exclusives for one exclusive game. Visually the PS3 and 360 are on par (roughly), I'm not gonna pick up the other for one game.


Definiton of the word Joke (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/joke)

Definition of the word witty (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/witty+).

The lack of wit made your joke not funny.

The fact that you took my post serious made me lol.

GTA sells more than Final Fantasy.

Like GTA San Andreas was like 17 million on the PS2, the most a Final Fantasy has sold is around 9.8 million with Final Fantasy VII.

So um like GTA release but worse.

GTA made me buy a 360. I don't think FF would ever make me buy a console

GTAIV was a letdown. I didn't really like it.

Final Fantasy (any but VI) was a letdown.

Why is VI so acclaimed? I really wasn't that interested in it... I'm fine with 8bit games but people keep swooning for VI I don't see why.

GTAIV was a letdown. I didn't really like it.


I really liked it. Although I do understand all the critique on it. It just didn't bother me.

I really enjoyed it at first but then the missions became a little repetive and dull. Plus there wasn't much to do except shoot things when not doing missions.

ffxii was dull
ffxi was a mmorpg so obviously repetitive/dull
ffx was dull
ffix was a charming little game
ffviii was crap
ffvii was crap with "WOW LOOK AT ME THIS IS COOL GRAPHICS FOR 1997!"
ffvi was good
ffv i liked because of job classes
ffiv i liked
ffiii i liked because of job classes
ffii is the worst game ever made
ffi was good back then but now it really seems to be a pile of rubbish

the series is completely overrated i should post at realgm

So far I agree with 2, 5, 6, 7, some of 8, and 11.

ok here is my FF experience. haha

FFVII - haha I don't remember a fucking thing. It's like 11 years ago, gimme a break.

FFVIII - I didn't like the setting nor the characters. Didn't care much for the battle system either. Played all the way up to the final boss but couldn't beat her cause not at a high enough level. Didn't feel the need to go grind again. w/e

FFX - It was ok. I dropped it for months. Only reason I finished it a year later was cause I finished college and had too much time on my hands.

FFXI-2 - lol wut? played like 3 hours or so. I eventually ended up watching all the cutscenes on youtube.


Yeah I'm not much of a FF fan nor a JRPG or RGP fan in general I guess.

I liked the music though

ebichu should i get a ps3 mgs4 bundle?

yeah but only if you get a free Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom cabinet with it.

man i dunno

maybe i should have paypal account money sent to me

otherwise i would stuff hard time yo

ffxii was dull
ffxi was a mmorpg so obviously repetitive/dull
ffx was dull
ffix was a charming little game
ffviii was crap
ffvii was crap with "WOW LOOK AT ME THIS IS COOL GRAPHICS FOR 1997!"
ffvi was good
ffv i liked because of job classes
ffiv i liked
ffiii i liked because of job classes
ffii is the worst game ever made
ffi was good back then but now it really seems to be a pile of rubbish

the series is completely overrated i should post at realgm

I really must be missing something big cause for the life of me I can't figure out why certain people who have the most dismissive attitude towards the FF series have signed up in a forum called Final Fantasy Shrine. Can someone please enlighten me on the subject?

This is Foo Fighter Shrine, n00b~
Shout out to Mandi <333

Alright!

XII-liked it at first, but meh.
XI-like it alright, but wouldn't play again
X-really dislike it
IX-a-soom
VIII-when I was an emo kid, I really dug it. Now, not so much.
VII-really couldn't care less now
VI-My favorite game
V-I don't like job games that much
IV-really dislike this one too
III-see V
II-Worst game ever, holla Gara!
I-I still find this one to be charming~

I really must be missing something big cause for the life of me I can't figure out why certain people who have the most dismissive attitude towards the FF series have signed up in a forum called Final Fantasy Shrine. Can someone please enlighten me on the subject?

Downloads, probably.

To be serious about the topic, while you may have come here initially for FF, many find their way into General Discussion and the friendships to be had there.

That happened with me, at the very least~

i like 9 the best.

Holy Mackerel!Yes final fantasy on the xbox.This is the best,take that ps3.Ha.This is the best.Yes XBOX 4 Life.PS3 is dead.We get everything.I think Sony should give up because their console is not as popular as the 360 in Europe or America and it does not have superb exclusives like bomberman:act zero.I've had my xbox 360 since it was made and it has not broken down.Yes take that fanboys.I don't want blu-ray.

oh look, a 360 fanboy


Yes take that fanboys.

oh teh irony.

Anyname, that's not a 360 fanboy. That's a PS3 fanboy doing a piss-poor job of trying to make fun of 360 fanboys and looking even dumber than the worst halofags I've ever seen could manage.

INCORRECT!

Then you just piss on everything for the fun of it?










I can respect that.

I wonder if anyone seriously believes the loss of FFXIII exlusivity in USA/Eur will kill the PS3.

From what I gather from this forum...ditto

Have you read the petition that was linked near the beginning of this thread? Have you watched the video of that guy that I commented on? They ALL can't be serious, but some of them likely are =/

People are fuggin' crazy, yo.

IV-really dislike this one too

Never post again. FFIV is a genuine classic. It's the second best Final Fantasy in the whole series.

OT: Judging by how Sony acted at the press conference at E3, losing FFXIII exclusivity was a major blow. They was still trying to convince people that the PS3 was the SYSTEM for exclusives.

LOL. Same to you, buddy <333

I wonder if anyone seriously believes the loss of FFXIII exlusivity in USA/Eur will kill the PS3.


I would wager that AllSeeing does,

I'd bet you 4 tacos, a denver breakfast bowl, and a nacho cheese chicken sandwich.

Sorry, if my post up setup PS3 owners, but that's what you'll read from someone who doesn't have an investment to protect.

Seriously, you are a moron All Seeing. Please, stop acting like FFXIII is the end all be all of games to decide the console wars.

I'm not acting that way at all, but I find it funny that you and other PS3 owners are thinking this way.

No the end and be all of Console wars has not yet been decided, but you're delusional if you think FFXIII going multi-platform didn't cause an impact.

Guys, the console war really is decided. There's no room for dispute at this point.

Nintendo wins.

Sony and Microsoft trail behind at an approximately even rate, neither gaining any sort of definitive advantage over the other due to superior software sales on the 360 and lower manufacturing costs offsetting the PS3's slightly higher brand recognition-driven console sales. It's a tie, and neither is going to suddenly leap out in front of the other.

Considering the game is exclusive in Japan, I doubt the impact is large.

Considering the game is exclusive in Japan, I doubt the impact is large.

Tell that to all the angry PS3 owners bitching on a petition website, and making angry Youtube videos.

Prak maybe right about Nintendo creating the perfect family fun console and winning because of it, but I still see a battle between Sony and Microsoft happening. It's far from over.

OK, history lessons. Come on don't be lazy guys. All FF up to 6 were released in Nintendo's consoles. 7 was supposed to be released by a Nintendo console but for better or worse Nintendo chose to go with cartridges instead of CDs something that didn't allow Square's developers to do what they had in mind blah, blah... And so the series moved on to Playstation. Did Nintendo or N64 die? Nope. But FF was not the only series that changed camps. From the top of my head I remember the third Breath of Fire also going to Playstation when the first two were released on the SNES. SNES also had Star Ocean. Star Ocean 2 was released on the Playstation as well. But even other RPGs that didn't belong to a series that was previously on NES/SNES seemed to find in Playstation the definitive system for them. Did N64 died? No. Did Nintendo die? No. It managed to pass two whole generations from then just like Sony. And these were systems whose difference in capabilities was huge. And now let's get back to the future where a new FF does not change camp but only goes multiplatform. And then you have other RPGs that were on PS2 and became exclusives in 360 as well as having other games (from different genres) to choose 360 over PS3. Will PS3 die because of that? I don't know but I think Sony has more funds than Nintendo did to support it's newest console regardless of whether the Xbox sees more exclusives or not. If Nintendo has managed to still be around I believe so can Sony.

Anybody who says Sony is dead is probably exaggerating themselves. They just lost this console war to Microsoft and Nintendo.

That petition has a few thousand people, most of which aren't even taking it seriously at all, with their joke names and silly comments and so on. Now consider that as of a few months ago, the PS3 had sold over 12 million units. So that's about 2700 of more than 12,000,000. That's 1 in 4444 (.44 recurring) and even then that's assuming that the same people didn't vote twice or more.

I was reading some comments on the petition and there were people saying that the ps3 was shit and stuff. I lol'd.

Anybody who says Sony is dead is probably exaggerating themselves. They just lost this console war to Microsoft and Nintendo.

Each console generation lasts at least 6 years. How many years has it been now, 2 more or less? The consoles are still at their dawn. No console has a big enough library yet to judge the outcome of the "war". On top of that enough of the exclusives (for any console) are still under development. For some of them maybe most there's not even a release date announced. So what war did Sony lose? The war of impressions? It did lose that. As for the other war Sony still has plenty of time to pick up the pace and realize that by sitting on its butt won't change anything.

The Sony guy at E3 did have a good point when he listed all these various games that the PS2 is famous for and said "At this point in the PS2's life, those games were one or two years away".

I would wager that AllSeeing does,

I'd bet you 4 tacos, a denver breakfast bowl, and a nacho cheese chicken sandwich.

Noskill, you owe me some tacos!!

richard wagner is my idol

The Sony guy at E3 did have a good point when he listed all these various games that the PS2 is famous for and said "At this point in the PS2's life, those games were one or two years away".

But what he fails to mention is that the PS2 had already secured the top spot in the market. If you look at the history of console sales, trends had always been established by this stage, and no software releases have ever turned those trends around. Sony will not magically jump ahead because of upcoming releases, just like they did not magically jump ahead when MGS4 was released, or when any of their previous so-called "system sellers" have been released. The same applies to Microsoft, as well as Nintendo. The former won't leap ahead and the latter won't simply die, regardless of the path software development takes in the next couple years.

I'm really curious to see how a port to the 360 will be handled.

History teaches us that the 360 to PS3 conversions haven't been the best things to happen.


Now, what about the other way around?


I can't wait to see.

This thread is stupid. I like the PS3. I like Final Fantasy. But I fucking hate the FF and PS3 fanboys. So what if FF13 is going to be on the 360, Sony still has several other games out now and soon to come, including FF13, that still make it a wonderful system.

This "console war" is far from over and at this point I think all 3 brands are tied because they're doesn't seem to be an end to there marketing. Prak, I agree with most of what you say, but at this point I honestly can't say Nintendo won because even with the millions of systems they've sold, the gaming shelves are still pleaged with shovelware. I believe Sony and Microsoft kill Nintendo in the software fight which evens things out. And if it wasn't for Wii sports (which was genius), I don't think Nintendo would be where they're at now.

lol relevance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfmBzllkbUM)

All three brands aren't tied because they've all been established for a couple years and all have different user bases. The Wii has drastically outsold the PS3 and 360, so it's basically a fight for number two between the PS3 and 360 at this point.

Nintendo's also won the software fight, it's just that third-party games haven't sold well. Most of Nintendo's own first party games have sold extremely well, with Wii Fit selling like 13 million, Galaxy, Brawl and MK Wii selling about 6-7 million each and so on. The best selling PS3 game so far has been a multi-platform one - GTA IV - and that's sold maybe like 4-5 million on the PS3 and probably like 5-6 million on the 360. The 360 has seen better software sales that Sony, and has pretty good software sales throughout, but it's really nothing compared to what Nintendo's been getting from their own games on a console that has been sold for profit ever since its release.

Really, at this point it's basically the PS3 versus the 360 to determine who is going to be number two. I'd be incline to say the 360 just because it's a hundred dollars cheaper and has a more established gaming library with exclusives in the future that just seem to be more appealing that most of the PS3's. There are some good games coming out for the PS3, no doubt, but it's likely by the time they do come out people will have made their choice with a 360. The younger market usually can't convince their parents to buy them three consoles when their costs are rather large.

I don't really care though since I have all three. Metal Gear Solid 4 is a good game. You should buy it if you have a PS3.

Marvin, the Wii may have more shovelware, but it was the same with the PS2, as well as every leading console before it. The developers looking to make a quick buck always choose to release their garbage on the best-selling system, especially if it's easy to develop for.

Wasn't the PS2 a bitch to develop for initially, because of the new DVD technology?

The type of disc a game is stored on doesn't make any difference in terms of development. Whether it's a CD, DVD, BD, or whatever else, all that's coming off the disc is the raw data that the other components have to process and render.

lol relevance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfmBzllkbUM)

Nice video. It might prove to be true. We'll see.

Lolling over this hilarious stupidity.

Anyone with half a brain knows that Versus XIII's exclusivity will depend on how XIII performs on 360. That's why development resources were shifted over to XIII in the first place, to get that game out first and test the waters before completely committing to multi-platform development.

Also, PS3 owners don't get FFXIII first. It's getting a simultaneous launch.

And yes, you are a fanboy. Only a fanboy would spout Sony propaganda without checking to see if it's true first.

Too bad that your wrong because I'm not spouting Sony propaganda. Simultaneous release? Where's the source? You do see the arrogance of the Microsoft following? Or has the radiation of your own arrogance blinded you?

http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/finalfantasy13/news.html?sid=6193730&mode=recent "Not only is the game coming to the console, but it will arrive on the same day and date as the PlayStation 3 edition of the game, with no timed exclusivity of any kind."

I believe almost any gaming site will tell you this too.This doesn't apply to japan where it will see no xbox launch.(not immediately anyway.)....................................Are you some kinda inbred or are you just stupid son!?

In all seriousness I doubt that an Xbox FFXIII will see the light of day in Japan. It just wouldn't be worth it.

This is the best thread in these forums right now, Ebichu.

I applaud you for your wonderful posting style and ability.

But Gara, Bryan said Ebichu isn't quality poster!

oh noes!

Oh but I said something and he ignored it because he thinks it is spam or because he thinks I am stupid.

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Too bad that your wrong because I'm not spouting Sony propaganda. Simultaneous release? Where's the source? You do see the arrogance of the Microsoft following? Or has the radiation of your own arrogance blinded you?

Since the guy right behind you already proved it, I won't bother with posting the 50 sources I usually would to make you feel like the moron you are.

What the hell, I'll post it here too. FFXIII on PC too. (http://kotaku.com/5028961/of-course-final-fantasy-xiii-is-pc-bound)

How could you do this to us Square?!Priceless yet again

What the hell, I'll post it here too. FFXIII on PC too. (http://kotaku.com/5028961/of-course-final-fantasy-xiii-is-pc-bound)

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That's right FFXIII is going to the PC too. I'll still get a 360, unlese SO4, GOW2, and other games end up being on the PC too. I know GTAIV is going to the PC as well. It looks like spending my money building a custom gaming PC will end up paying off after all.

Currently playing Devil May Cry 4.

I think you guys should go back and read the rest:

Update: We contacted Square Enix, and according to the company, "The game is being built using PC-based development tools, but that doesn�t mean it�s being created for the PC platform. Our current plans are to release FFXIII for the PS3 and Xbox 360 only. Sorry for the confusion!" So to recap, it's being created with PC-based dev tools, but with plans only for PS3/Xbox 360 console release.

And you trust SE? They also said the game was a dedicated PS3 exclusive, that would never got to another platform. If the game is being made with PC development tools, the game will see a PC release. It might not happen on the same day as the PS3/360, but it will happen. Last Remnant is going on the PC after all.

I think they'll wait some time before releasing it on PC, if they do. If it came out at the same time I'd say it'd actually cost them money - think of all the people that would just torrent the PC version rather than buying one of the console versions. It's far easier to pirate for PC than a console. Even if they release it much later on PC, it'll still get heavily pirated but at least it won't cost them countless PS3 and 360 sales.

And you trust SE? They also said the game was a dedicated PS3 exclusive, that would never got to another platform. If the game is being made with PC development tools, the game will see a PC release. It might not happen on the same day as the PS3/360, but it will happen. Last Remnant is going on the PC after all.

PRETTY SURE ALL GAMES ARE MADE ON A PC.

The theory for later porting the game to PC/mac makes sense (more money obviously), but then why didn't they release 9, 10, and 12 for the computer?

Plus it would increase the longevity of the game. No one I know still plays ps1, but I have had the old pc FF7 on a computer for over 9 years, and it still works fine from windows 95 to windows xp (haven't tried vista).

I think they'll wait some time before releasing it on PC, if they do. If it came out at the same time I'd say it'd actually cost them money - think of all the people that would just torrent the PC version rather than buying one of the console versions. It's far easier to pirate for PC than a console. Even if they release it much later on PC, it'll still get heavily pirated but at least it won't cost them countless PS3 and 360 sales.

Since Last Remnant is going too the PC as well as the 360 and it's a SE game, I don't think they're worried about Piracy that much.

L O L

Still is waiting for 360 Versus.

still waiting for a wii version and DS version.

I'm sorry for what I did. I doubt i need an introduction but an any case, I am a111. And yes, all the horrible stories you heard about me are true.

But Im sorry. okay.

In all seriousness I doubt that an Xbox FFXIII will see the light of day in Japan. It just wouldn't be worth it.

It IS only being released for the XBOX 360 in North America and parts of Europe. Because the Japanese know what they are doing more so than we are.


Wasn't the PS2 a bitch to develop for initially, because of the new DVD technology?

I wouldn't think it was any different. The only difference really between CDs and DVDs for data is that one holds more, and reads slightly different. I would think that the jump from cartridges to CD would have been more difficult.

But, releasing games on CDs was cheaper than on cartridges. Which is why the Nintendo 64 didn't get Final Fantasy VII. I would think, by the way, that it would have been impossible for them to release Final Fantasy X for the Game Cube... the discs that Game Cube games are on couldn't possibly contain enough data.

But, releasing games on CDs was cheaper than on cartridges. Which is why the Nintendo 64 didn't get Final Fantasy VII.

Yeah, imagine how many n64 carts you would need to fit the frickin' game on.
Besides, the game had crappy enough graphics. On the 64 it would burn one's retinas.

The flaw with the N64 was its storage capacity, not its graphical power, which was actually far superior to the PS1.

I agree with Prak, graphically the N64 is more powerful than the PSX, however the "fogginess" of N64's games always annoyed me.

MAN U GUYS DUNNO WUT UR TAWKIN ABUT N64 GRAFIX WERE LIEK BEST EVAR.

HAV U SEEN GOLEDNYE?

Oh no... another Nintendo 64 fan boy....

*loads gun whilst whistling*

MAN U GUYS DUNNO WUT UR TAWKIN ABUT N64 GRAFIX WERE LIEK BEST EVAR.

HAV U SEEN GOLEDNYE?

Perfect Dark >>> Goldeneye

in my opinion about this ps3/360 debate and people bitching and bitching about FFXIII coming to 360 is so "terrible". honestly it is a smart move for Square-Enix and yes its true alot of ps3 owners will be heart broken because its not"exclusive" but seriously so what! its not like its 360 exclusive,its going to be multi-platform which means BOTH 360 AND PS3 OWNERS WILL HAVE A TASTE OF FFXIII,as a person who will be getting a ps3 not for one game but for many in my opinion am not devastated by this multi platform choice. its not like im not going to be able to play it ever,it jsut means ill be able to play it and gives me a good topic to talk to a 360 owner on what differences(if there will be any that is) FFXIII will have between both versions,the reason i choose the ps3 over 360 is well none at all i just decided id like ps3 and give it a shot plus there was little big planet that caught my eye aswell as MGS 4 and Valkyria Chronicles,the 360 has some interesting games too and both have there own technical problems(red ring of death anyone?)so its not like they are better then each other they are just different,like theres sonic 06,the last remnant and etc that are coming out as multi-platform games which i find is good because "I" am getting a ps3 and wont be missing out on it at all, yes i hear the 360 is better for fps's and i for one am not a big fps gamer, but about these fanboys and there console wars theres no point in crying or fighting over a game thats going multi or even an exclusive that you wish wasnt,i for one dont get all pissy because of that so what if a miss out on a good game its not the end of the world and maybe later on in the future ill play it or maybe it will go multi. to end my big messeage here all i have to say is "theres no use crying over spilt milk,when you can jsut go get another glass full" and in a fanboy type of style "theres no crying over a game going multi or exclusive,it doesnt stop you from still getting it jsut because its a different system"

to all i bid you a goodnight*pushes the shiny red button and explodes* ^^"

I have no problems with it being ported to the Xbox 360. I just hope they actually don't cut out any content or dumb it down because of the 360. Seriously, Lost Odyssey took 4 discs and that game is hardly that long compared to the Ps2 Final Fantasy games and had only had a few cut scenes. I own a 360 but not a Ps3 so I'm not butthurt like the Sony Suckers but if they make a real Final Fantasy game then I'll be happy.