Sarah
10-08-2005, 03:26 PM
http://nintendo-revolution.blogspot.com/2005/10/revolution-to-be-least-powerful.html

that seems really shocking to me. if they can pull it off, there's really no doubt in my mind that it'd really start to make major changes in the video game industry. if they can manage to make cheap, consistantly fun & innovative games, it could really start to influence the non-stop drive towards photorealism with the same gameplay that's really just... tiring.

in other words: yay for nintendo.

Prak
10-08-2005, 03:30 PM
I'd leap for joy if this seemed credible, but considering this is just speculation on some random person's blog, I won't get my hopes up.

Sarah
10-08-2005, 03:34 PM
it's been reported in other places as well, although none of it's official of course. which makes sense: even if they are working on this, they probably wouldn't want to make that public unless they know for sure they can pull it off.

I think launching at sub-100$ would just have a huge psychological advantage personally, and probably result in tons and tons more sales.

couple that with cheaper games (there's no reason they can't offer this- revolution games will cost much, much less to develop than state of the art playstation 3 and xbox 360 games) and they're really going to be starting a whole new market practically.

MossY
10-08-2005, 03:35 PM
The Revolution is looking pretty revolutionary. The DS started aiming games towards those who don't play them and it worked well. If they get the balance right here, there's no reason why Nintendo couldn't attract more non-gamers with affordable hardware, innovative games and a completely different controller. It's refreshing to see they aren't hyping up processing power and graphical capability etc.. Although these are important a console is only as good as it's games.

Elvanna
10-08-2005, 03:37 PM
that would be amaizing!!! hurray for nintendo!!!

FurrY
10-08-2005, 04:01 PM
This is going to pwn! They are going to earn huge of money when it releases! :D Weee ''cheers for nintendo!''

hb smokey
10-08-2005, 04:47 PM
Five different colored Revolution systems = $500
PS3 = $500

Awesome.

Django
10-08-2005, 05:03 PM
http://www.nintendo.com/status

Denny
10-08-2005, 05:09 PM
IF is true. I`m pretty pleased indeed.

CRUNCH BAR
10-08-2005, 08:47 PM
Lots of places on the internet say that it'll be around 150 or 200 at the US launch...

measter yazoo
10-08-2005, 09:05 PM
That would be great if they sold the revolution for $99 because it wouldnt be that much over here in Ireland. But it will probably be at least the price of the gamecube. Which was �130

FurrY
10-08-2005, 09:07 PM
Came to think about it, im glad that i didnt buy GameCube...

MossY
10-08-2005, 09:14 PM
That would be great if they sold the revolution for $99 because it wouldnt be that much over here in Ireland. But it will probably be at least the price of the gamecube. Which was �130
You've inverted the currency exchange. If they retail it at about �55-60 that would be about right but I'd say it'll be �75 here, provided this is true of course.

measter yazoo
10-08-2005, 09:33 PM
Came to think about it, im glad that i didnt buy GameCube...

Why are you glad. The Gamecube had so many amazing games like Baiton Kaitos, Tales of Symphonia, Crystal Chronicles and Mario Power Tennis :mad:
You can get a Gamecube for at least �40 now so you can get it for a price of a PS2 or Xbox game what isnt their to like

CRUNCH BAR
10-08-2005, 09:41 PM
Why are you glad. The Gamecube had so many amazing games like Baiton Kaitos, Tales of Symphonia, Crystal Chronicles and Mario Power Tennis :mad:
You can get a Gamecube for at least �40 now so you can get it for a price of a PS2 or Xbox game what isnt their to like
You forgot about the Biohazzard games, Biohazzard Zero was pretty awesome...BH4 too...

measter yazoo
10-08-2005, 09:51 PM
You forgot about the Biohazzard games, Biohazzard Zero was pretty awesome...BH4 too...
Oh yeah but in ireland their called Resident Evil which i think dosen't sound as good thanks for reminding me about them

Swedish Fish
10-08-2005, 09:54 PM
Is that really possible? I'm all for it, but it seems kinda too good to be true...

measter yazoo
10-08-2005, 09:58 PM
Is that really possible? I'm all for it, but it seems kinda too good to be true...

I think that too but it still will be cheap...ish because nintendo always do new generation consoles a resonable prices

Swedish Fish
10-08-2005, 10:23 PM
True dat. But, my question is why Nintendo would lower the price of the Revolution to a price lower than that of the Gamecube. I mean, a next-gen console that costs less than the previous console? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Calgar
10-08-2005, 10:29 PM
the reason they would do that is so more people will buy it because its cheap

Django
10-08-2005, 10:29 PM
yeh
tho i do hope it will b around that price it will most definitly be around 250$
S/Nes, N64, Gcube al came at that price so

Calgar
10-08-2005, 10:31 PM
i wont be buying it because nintendo only ever get the kidish games unlike playstation and xbox

MossY
10-08-2005, 10:42 PM
i wont be buying it because nintendo only ever get the kidish games unlike playstation and xbox

If by kidish you mean highly innovative, original, entertaining and a social gaming experience, I couldn't agree more. It's that narrow-mindeded view that stops the GameCube from being succesful. If you looked at WarioWare you'd probably say haha that game is for kids, wheras if you played it with a few friends you'd find yourself crying with laughter and playing it throughout the night.

Sarah
10-08-2005, 11:09 PM
True dat. But, my question is why Nintendo would lower the price of the Revolution to a price lower than that of the Gamecube. I mean, a next-gen console that costs less than the previous console? Doesn't make much sense to me.

it makes a lot of sense. the money has never been made on the consoles themselves: it comes from the software. more people having the system means more people buying the software (and not to mention additional periphery hardware, which also makes a bundle)

hb smokey
10-08-2005, 11:19 PM
yeh
tho i do hope it will b around that price it will most definitly be around 250$
S/Nes, N64, Gcube al came at that price so
The NES, SNES, N64, and Gamecube all debuted at an American price of $199, not $250.

Django
10-08-2005, 11:23 PM
bloody yanks ;__;
over here all ofm 250�

Rapture
10-09-2005, 12:13 AM
Well, as mentioned - such a low price would be amazing, especially since the Xbox 360 and PS3 are set at at least �200.

People are being VERY negative about it's controller though :(

Django
10-09-2005, 12:31 AM
just wait my friend
teledildonics will take over the world.

Sarah
10-09-2005, 01:14 AM
Well, as mentioned - such a low price would be amazing, especially since the Xbox 360 and PS3 are set at at least �200.

People are being VERY negative about it's controller though :(

it really depends on who you talk to. personally I'm pretty damn excited about it, as a long of other people at ffs seem to be !

Rapture
10-09-2005, 01:17 AM
Yeah, I realy am too. I haven't really spoke to many people about it on here, but inthe controller thread pretty much everyone seems to be skeptical about it. I say we give it a chance.

FurrY
10-09-2005, 01:36 AM
Me to! I've heard that you can plug in Game Cube's controller in to the nintendo rev to! So yeah...

hb smokey
10-09-2005, 01:38 AM
Me to! I've heard that you can plug in Game Cube's controller in to the nintendo rev to! So yeah...
It's for the backwards compatibility, in which you can put Gamecube games directly into the Revolution and play them.

Shinryudan
10-09-2005, 01:57 AM
Hey, if this is true, I'll jump for joy. But sadly I doubt it will be down to that price for quite awhile. Even if the console gets down to that, extra memory, controllers, and some games will eventually pump the tab back up another $100-$200.

Sarah
10-09-2005, 02:29 AM
Yeah, I realy am too. I haven't really spoke to many people about it on here, but inthe controller thread pretty much everyone seems to be skeptical about it. I say we give it a chance.

that was mostly before we saw the video <333

Swedish Fish
10-09-2005, 03:15 AM
i wont be buying it because nintendo only ever get the kidish games unlike playstation and xbox

JESUS!!! Why the fuck does it matter if it's childish?! Mario and Zelda are still one of the best line of games out there. Just because Mario or Zelda doesn't have boobs and blood, that doesn't mean that they aren't fun. And who knows, mabye Nintendo still has a few tricks up its sleeves?

Sarah
10-09-2005, 03:28 AM
if they're tricks that don't involve running over prostitutes we don't care, obviously.

Raidenex
10-09-2005, 04:16 AM
Until I see this on a trusted news site, i'll take it as pure speculation =/

Sure, everyone would love to see the Revolution launch at US$99, but it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Considering the costs of the Xbox 360, and the potentially staggering costs of the PlayStation 3, they could release at their normal price of US$199 and still have a decent price advantage over the competition.

I think that US$150 is far more likely, however - and probably yes, a reduction in price to US$120 after about 18 months. This would be pretty similar to what they have done with the DS, and it's a strategy that worked for them there.

In short, when customers see a Nintendo Revolution on the shelves for US$150 next to a US$300 Xbox 360 and a US$500 (if we're lucky) PlayStation 3, the price difference already speaks for itself. Nintendo won't take a larger loss per unit any earlier than is necessary.

Rapture
10-09-2005, 04:18 AM
$500 for the PS3 is stupid. Seriously.

Raidenex
10-09-2005, 04:30 AM
Check out my point here.

Thread 25540

It's pretty justified for the capability the PlayStation 3 has.

measter yazoo
10-09-2005, 08:33 AM
Yeah, I realy am too. I haven't really spoke to many people about it on here, but inthe controller thread pretty much everyone seems to be skeptical about it. I say we give it a chance.

They will probably change it but if they dont it will probably be easy to get used to

Neo Xzhan
10-09-2005, 10:20 AM
The low price tag will pull people over the edge when they are deciding to buy a Revolution or not. Alot of people have two consoles at home (I'm one of those) and when you can buy an X-Box 360 and a Revolution for less then a PS3, then that's more then a tempting idea. Besides, $99 is pretty much the price of the DS I think these days.

Nintendo is upholding it's new console name, it will be a revolution, the controller itself is noteworthy. And if you are indeed able to play those old school games with a "normal" controller, then for $99 you get way more then what you pay for. I wouldn't go for a PS3 untill the price would have been about halved, untill that time, I'd gladly buy a Revolution to fill up my time.

measter yazoo
10-09-2005, 10:44 AM
The low price tag will pull people over the edge when they are deciding to buy a Revolution or not. Alot of people have two consoles at home (I'm one of those) and when you can buy an X-Box 360 and a Revolution for less then a PS3, then that's more then a tempting idea. Besides, $99 is pretty much the price of the DS I think these days.

Nintendo is upholding it's new console name, it will be a revolution, the controller itself is noteworthy. And if you are indeed able to play those old school games with a "normal" controller, then for $99 you get way more then what you pay for. I wouldn't go for a PS3 untill the price would have been about halved, untill that time, I'd gladly buy a Revolution to fill up my time.

If you can play with an old controller why would they make a new controller. Now that is stupid

Sarah
10-09-2005, 10:56 AM
... because the new controller offers a new take on gameplay and probably game mechanics, while the gamecube controller serves as both assisting in backwards compatability as well as offering a more traditional controller for games that warrant using such?

MossY
10-09-2005, 11:35 AM
They will probably change it but if they dont it will probably be easy to get used to

Why would they change it? Nintendo have always said that their controller for the next gen would be something different and controversial. They've put a lot of money into it's development and, as I said, it's designed to be controversial. If they changed it to something more tradational it would be the biggest step-back in the history of gaming imo.

Neo Xzhan
10-09-2005, 04:26 PM
Personally I'm getting more and more interrested in the Revolution, I have to admit that I didn't think very high of it first, but I have to revise my opinion.

Elvanna
10-09-2005, 04:40 PM
nintendo has thought about everything....or almost to make us happy!

Neo Xzhan
10-09-2005, 04:50 PM
If you can play with an old controller why would they make a new controller. Now that is stupid

The new controller is meant for a new generation kind of games, I've seen a few movies about how it works, and it's nothing like you'd play any of the current excisting games. The Revolution will have 2 kinds of controllers, the new one for the "interactive" games, and an old style one, for games like we have now.

Jagged
10-09-2005, 06:25 PM
I seriously doubt it will be $99. That would be around 60 quid here in the UK. That's cheaper than how much the DS launched for! But I am really excited about the controller and the new gameplay possibilities, and won't mind paying upto 200 quid for it.

rezo
10-09-2005, 11:32 PM
If it's $99, it'll probably be 99 quid too. Maybe you should just buy a US version if that happens.


But yeah, I also don't think it'll be $99

CRUNCH BAR
10-09-2005, 11:55 PM
More like 204,000 won(approx.)(about a USD for 1023 won right now), almost double the price!

April
10-09-2005, 11:55 PM
If it's $99, it'll probably be 99 quid too. Maybe you should just buy a US version if that happens.

Oh God don't. I have an NTSC Gamecube and it's been the biggest nightmare ever, it still only plays in black and white 'cause the cord to play it in colour costs almost as much as a new 'Cube.

Jagged
10-10-2005, 03:22 AM
If you have a 60 Hz TV then there shouldn't be a problem right?

Raidenex
10-10-2005, 07:49 AM
It depends - the best bet is to check your users manual. Most TVs released since 2002-ish are both PAL and NTSC compatible. It's best to check before importing though.

pedo mc tax me softly, black person (whom i love)
10-10-2005, 01:18 PM
Rofl.

I've been giving serious thought to buying a Gamecube the past couple days, they're promoting a bundle with it and SSBM and memory card/whatever and a couple controllers for $99 at a local store I was at last week.

Raidenex
10-11-2005, 02:40 AM
I'd highly suggest it - it's a pretty awesome machine. There are quite a few exclusives that are well worth playing: Eternal Darkness and the Metroid Prime games. Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes is also fantastic if you're a fan of the series.

And of course, Super Mario Sunshine :D

Venom
10-11-2005, 05:24 AM
The new controller is meant for a new generation kind of games, I've seen a few movies about how it works, and it's nothing like you'd play any of the current excisting games. The Revolution will have 2 kinds of controllers, the new one for the "interactive" games, and an old style one, for games like we have now.
So there will be only some games that use the new controller, and normal type games will use a normal controller? I'm confused.:-$

Sarah
10-11-2005, 05:48 AM
that's certainly a possibility, yes. it's also possible that there may be a traditional cradle for the new controller that sort of emulates traditional controllers.

Jagged
10-11-2005, 03:17 PM
I think most games on the Rev will use the new "3D mouse" controller, while some will use the "traditional" controller.


I'd highly suggest it - it's a pretty awesome machine. There are quite a few exclusives that are well worth playing: Eternal Darkness and the Metroid Prime games. Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes is also fantastic if you're a fan of the series.

And of course, Super Mario Sunshine

Let's not forget Resident Evil 4. I know it's coming to the PS2 soon but the graphics on the GC version are way better.

Django
10-11-2005, 03:44 PM
well since you all started this..

FZGX - still the purest racer avaiable, only for those who got skill and reflexes like a monkeh on crack(seriously, by the end of the 2nd tournament this game turns survival horror on your ass)

Waverace Blue storm - another great racinggame ignored by the masses again because of the difficulty(i'l agree that the tricks etc suck donkeyballs but the racing was flawless, and the watereffects still havent been beaten by anything on any platform incl PC

Donkey Konga - anyone who ever had a deep love for 2d platformers will feel right at home with this baby
i never liked the original donkey kong platformers till this came along

KREAYSHAWN
10-11-2005, 04:52 PM
Sure, everyone would love to see the Revolution launch at US$99, but it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Considering the costs of the Xbox 360, and the potentially staggering costs of the PlayStation 3, they could release at their normal price of US$199 and still have a decent price advantage over the competition.

yeah, but the difference in specs is pretty drastic this time, which should make marketing it at a sub-$100 price much more feasible. plus they would be likely to make way more money in the long run with that tactic.

I am getting way more excited about the revolution than any of the other next gen consoles on the way ^^

pedo mc tax me softly, black person (whom i love)
10-11-2005, 06:20 PM
Not I, cos PS3 mod possibilities we've been discussing.

TK
10-11-2005, 06:23 PM
that's certainly a possibility, yes. it's also possible that there may be a traditional cradle for the new controller that sort of emulates traditional controllers.

It's not a possibility, they already said they are making it.

Jagged
10-11-2005, 09:26 PM
They also said that they may bring out an actual standard controller rather than a "cradle" for the remote to fit in. They still haven't confirmed which idea they're going with... not like it will matters much since it won't be much different either way.


Donkey Konga - anyone who ever had a deep love for 2d platformers will feel right at home with this baby
i never liked the original donkey kong platformers till this baby came along
Donkey Konga is a musical rythm drumming game while Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat is the platformer that you're talking about. I gotta say though, Jungle Beat is an awesome game, it was the most fun I had with a game all year (except Resident Evil 4). I never thought a pair of bongo drums could make such a big difference to a platformer!

Sarah
10-12-2005, 02:08 AM
It's not a possibility, they already said they are making it.

really? I thought that was just ign's speculation.

that is kinda weird. it seems like they haven't decided between using old GC controllers and the new cradled controllers for conventional games on the revolution then.

Django
10-12-2005, 07:12 AM
agh i forgot the name and i used the word "baby" 2 times

i'm gettin old <_>

rezo
10-12-2005, 07:23 AM
really? I thought that was just ign's speculation.

that is kinda weird. it seems like they haven't decided between using old GC controllers and the new cradled controllers for conventional games on the revolution then.

Gamecube controller can be used for Gamecube games.

Sarah
10-12-2005, 07:33 AM
I swear they also mentioned gamecube controllers being used for more traditional games !

Jagged
10-12-2005, 05:57 PM
They're bringing out a seperate "traditional" controller (or cradle) for the more traditional Revolution games.

CRUNCH BAR
10-12-2005, 07:32 PM
I swear they also mentioned gamecube controllers being used for more traditional games !
Yes they did... I like the Gamecube controllers too.

J. Peterman
10-13-2005, 04:49 AM
Let's all boycott the MLB in protest of this price drop thingie Nintendo is pulling.

TK
10-13-2005, 05:04 AM
Yes they did...

I don't think so. I will not believe this until I see a link.

pedo mc tax me softly, black person (whom i love)
10-14-2005, 05:24 PM
Yeah, I know, but it came up on the Google search. (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1509691/20050915/index.jhtml?headlines=true)


Llewelyn pointed to the system's sockets for GameCube controllers to explain how gamers might control games from that system on Revolution. She said control solutions for playing Super Nintendo and Nintendo 64 games on Revolution are still being worked out.

measter yazoo
10-17-2005, 06:41 PM
True dat. But, my question is why Nintendo would lower the price of the Revolution to a price lower than that of the Gamecube. I mean, a next-gen console that costs less than the previous console? Doesn't make much sense to me.

It all matters about manufacturing prices and shipping prices. Oh how much i hate the new controllers

Prak
10-18-2005, 09:10 AM
Oh boo hoo. Nintendo are such jerks for trying something new when they should have just made the exact same thing as always, but with prettier graphics, exactly like their competition is doing. After all, something new is never good and should never be given a chance, should it?

Neo Xzhan
10-18-2005, 12:05 PM
I'm sorry but photo realistic graphics being revolutionary? Come on, it's just an evolution proces. What are the biggest changes we've seen through out the years in terms of consoles? Better graphics, better sound and from cartridge to discs. That's hardly noteworthy, just a natural process if you ask me. Eventually graphic development -will- stagnate and better then a home theatre set won't be equalled with full digital 12348632.1 surround sets if you ask me.

So Nintendo really supplied us with a revolution here, the way of games being played. And it doesn't have to be expensive, why is it that you think that only something expensive can be good? And Maester Yazoo, your arguement is a petty one, you're judging a book by it's cover, please be a little more thorough.

Raidenex
10-18-2005, 02:28 PM
I'm sorry but photo realistic graphics being revolutionary? Come on, it's just an evolution proces. What are the biggest changes we've seen through out the years in terms of consoles? Better graphics, better sound and from cartridge to discs. That's hardly noteworthy, just a natural process if you ask me. Eventually graphic development -will- stagnate and better then a home theatre set won't be equalled with full digital 12348632.1 surround sets if you ask me.

So Nintendo really supplied us with a revolution here, the way of games being played. And it doesn't have to be expensive, why is it that you think that only something expensive can be good? And Maester Yazoo, your arguement is a petty one, you're judging a book by it's cover, please be a little more thorough.

(i think Prak was being sarcastic)

measter yazoo
10-18-2005, 05:32 PM
(i think Prak was being sarcastic)

I think so to he would have to be crazy to say what he is saying
The controller will be awkward to play with though thats my problem

Prak
10-19-2005, 12:11 AM
I was being extremely sarcastic before.

Also, why do you think the controller will be awkward? It's a very strange design that's completely unlike anything you've used before. There's no way you can possibly know how it will feel until you try it. Therefore, your misgivings are just due to fear of change or something. Give it a fair shake and you may be very pleasantly surprised.

J. Peterman
10-19-2005, 08:53 AM
It looks funny so I don't want to play with it because it will make everybody LAUGH at me.

Nintendo should retire and let somebody take its place. It has been in the main-event long enough.

Raidenex
10-19-2005, 10:56 AM
It looks funny so I don't want to play with it because it will make everybody LAUGH at me.

Nintendo should retire and let somebody take its place. It has been in the main-event long enough.

you have seriously made 354 posts of idiot.

Either get off the drugs, or get off my forum. Your call.

measter yazoo
10-19-2005, 07:02 PM
I was being extremely sarcastic before.

Also, why do you think the controller will be awkward? It's a very strange design that's completely unlike anything you've used before. There's no way you can possibly know how it will feel until you try it. Therefore, your misgivings are just due to fear of change or something. Give it a fair shake and you may be very pleasantly surprised.

It will probably be pretty akward to play with 2 hands because it isn't in the style of that type of controller

Django
10-19-2005, 07:12 PM
i think it will b akward when we get the first league of interactive porn games

A WILD SNORLAX APPEARS
10-19-2005, 09:04 PM
i think it will b akward when we get the first league of interactive porn games
they already exist yo

Django
10-19-2005, 09:50 PM
nah not like this

we have an analoge controller that you can hold in one hand
a remote control we can shuv up our ass
and still have a free hand free to do "anything"

i cant wait to bitchslap peach after all these years and kidnap her myself

Raidenex
10-20-2005, 12:15 AM
nah not like this

we have an analoge controller that you can hold in one hand
a remote control we can shuv up our ass
and still have a free hand free to do "anything"

i cant wait to bitchslap peach after all these years and kidnap her myself

seek professional help.

And keep in mind that with that sort of opinion, you will never get any girl, unless it's disease-ridden pussy you've overpaid for.

Django
10-20-2005, 12:29 AM
i.. i dunno what to say to this

Raidenex
10-20-2005, 12:45 AM
Removing the word 'bitchslap' from your vocabulary might be a start.

I don't really care whether you're joking or not. I've had to deal with too many assholes lately who treat women like shit, and i'm not going to deal with cyber pimps.

Django
10-20-2005, 02:02 AM
ow shit
an equal rights activist
altho my silly ass was just joking for the fuck of it i might as well ride this bitch now
i grew up cursing and thus i curse
nuthin to do with dumb women getting dominated by men or whatever your mind is getting fed up with..
i can understand people getting putt of by the excessive amounts of it but still.. i was joking :]

Raidenex
10-20-2005, 02:24 AM
ow shit
an equal rights activist
altho my silly ass was just joking for the fuck of it i might as well ride this bitch now
i grew up cursing and thus i curse
nuthin to do with dumb women getting dominated by men or whatever your mind is getting fed up with..
i can understand people getting putt of by the excessive amounts of it but still.. i was joking :]

eh, whatever. I couldn't give a fuck about you swearing.

I would argue the point if you were talking about a real person, but it's a mario character for fucks sake.

Sorry man. I've just finished a load of uni stuff, and i'm kinda edgy o_O

Sarah
10-20-2005, 02:37 AM
i can understand people getting putt of by the excessive amounts of it but still.. i was joking :]

see, the point is that it's unfortunate that you actually find misogynist "humor" to be funny. be fair to the women. demean blacks instead.

Django
10-20-2005, 03:25 AM
i aint a mysogonist or whatever you might think
i'm just bored outta my fucking mind xP
tho i do have a rather sadistic sense of humor sometimes i dont really think i disriminate anyone on purpose unless they ask for it
and i already stated that i constantly pull shit outta proportions to entertain myself but i get the point so i'l just quit the crackass talk

and Raidenex dont take me so seriously.. i dont deserve that xD

TrekkiesUnite118
10-25-2005, 02:24 AM
Nintendo should retire and let somebody take its place. It has been in the main-event long enough.

Why? they are in a good financial position and they are not losing money and they dominate over 90% of the handheld market and have some of the most popular multiplayer games on there current console. Nintendo isn't dying and is actually no where near death. Sorry if this sounds biased but I'm just sick of this rumor and mentallity.

And I agree with Raidenex, you have posted 356 posts of idiotic BS and everyone on this forum is now dumber for reading them.

hb smokey
10-25-2005, 06:00 AM
you have posted 356 posts of idiotic BS and everyone on this forum is now dumber for reading them.
Oh, the irony.

TrekkiesUnite118
10-26-2005, 01:03 AM
Oh, the irony.


*Glares at smokey*