Hello. I love the film War of the Worlds (2005) and it's music by John Williams. I've always wanted the prologue cue without the narration, but every cue I come across that doesn't have the narration has SFX in it, like the sound of birds flying for example. If someone knows a place where I can find this cue with these conditions, please let me know. If not, could someone please tell me how to rip scores off films and what software I'll need to remove dialogue and SFX as I'm interested in doing myself? Thanks.

could someone please tell me how to rip scores off films and what software I'll need to remove dialogue and SFX as I'm interested in doing myself?

This has been asked several times before.
It requires precise software and proper sources.

Firstly, the source needs to be right.
The movie is on bluray in DTSHDMA, so no need for a DVD.
And if you're going to download, you have to make sure it's got the DTSHDMA audio.
And not the lossy core. A lot of people think because it's HD or whatever, that it will be DTSHDMA.
A lot of public torrent sites don't usually provide the original bluray audio (unless it's AC3 source or other lossy source).
It's a common and big mistake.

The other mistake is using the wrong software to rip the lossless, original bluray audio in bit-for-bit precision.
Bit-exact ripping isn't as easy you think.

DVD Audio Extractor is garbage. Don't listen to anyone who tells you otherwise.
Me and several others have tried DVDAE and each time, it produced random results, not bit-exact.

eac3to + Arcsoft decoders are what you need.
But, that's no walk through the park to learn.
You actually need to take a day to read and re-read everything before you even think you know what's going on.

It's not for someone who wants a one-click solution or no patience or competence to go through with learning every thign once (or twice).

After the first few tries, you get the hang of it and it becomes easier with each time you do it.

Better than riding a bike.
The only thing you hurt here is your ego.



I actually never bothered to check the sound mix for this movie.
But, you can easily remove the center channel to remove Morgan's soft, soothing and forshadowing narration to get the music.

Some music is echoed into the center channel, but you can live with not having that.

This should be relatively easy to do.
I'll tack it to the ever-growing list of things I'm currently doing right now.

I've been meaning to get the end credits to this ripped, as well as working on ring tones for the tripods bellowing horns.

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Still have the movie playing with the center channel muted (MPC-HC + FFDShow).

What a fun way to listen to it while you're doing stuff.
The lightning sfx are snazzy.

So where can I find the eac3to + Arcsoft decoding software? I've been unable to find them.

Er... wouldn't the recording sessions be what you are looking for?

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In 320 MP3, sure.

But why not go for 24/48 FLAC?

Er... wouldn't the recording sessions be what you are looking for?

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That album contains SFX in the prologue cue.

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In 320 MP3, sure.

But why not go for 24/48 FLAC?

Where can I find the FLAC version?

Where can I find the FLAC version?

After I finish editing it some time this week.

Thanks.

How can I tell a DVD or Blu-ray is on DTSHDMA? By the way, where can I find eac3to or Arcsoft?
This has been asked several times before.
It requires precise software and proper sources.

Firstly, the source needs to be right.
The movie is on bluray in DTSHDMA, so no need for a DVD.
And if you're going to download, you have to make sure it's got the DTSHDMA audio.
And not the lossy core. A lot of people think because it's HD or whatever, that it will be DTSHDMA.
A lot of public torrent sites don't usually provide the original bluray audio (unless it's AC3 source or other lossy source).
It's a common and big mistake.

The other mistake is using the wrong software to rip the lossless, original bluray audio in bit-for-bit precision.
Bit-exact ripping isn't as easy you think.

DVD Audio Extractor is garbage. Don't listen to anyone who tells you otherwise.
Me and several others have tried DVDAE and each time, it produced random results, not bit-exact.

eac3to + Arcsoft decoders are what you need.
But, that's no walk through the park to learn.
You actually need to take a day to read and re-read everything before you even think you know what's going on.

It's not for someone who wants a one-click solution or no patience or competence to go through with learning every thign once (or twice).

After the first few tries, you get the hang of it and it becomes easier with each time you do it.

Better than riding a bike.
The only thing you hurt here is your ego.



I actually never bothered to check the sound mix for this movie.
But, you can easily remove the center channel to remove Morgan's soft, soothing and forshadowing narration to get the music.

Some music is echoed into the center channel, but you can live with not having that.

This should be relatively easy to do.
I'll tack it to the ever-growing list of things I'm currently doing right now.

I've been meaning to get the end credits to this ripped, as well as working on ring tones for the tripods bellowing horns.

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Still have the movie playing with the center channel muted (MPC-HC + FFDShow).

What a fun way to listen to it while you're doing stuff.
The lightning sfx are snazzy.

How can I tell a DVD or Blu-ray is on DTSHDMA?

DVD's won't have DTSHDMA or Dolby TrueHD.
They only carry AC3, DTS (the lossy core), and LPCM audio.
:erm: and MP2 in some really old, poor authoring jobs.


By the way, where can I find eac3to or Arcsoft?

I've got a bundle I've been meaning to put up for others.
You've got a really long ways to go yet before you get your first project done.

It's a portable program with no installation.
Just download archive, extract to any folder you want and remember where you put it.

Primarily, it's a CLI (Command Line Interface), so you'll be using the Command Prompt console window.
Oh, and it's most definitely a Windows program. Not usable on Mac. Maybe Linux? :confused: I doubt it.

There are Front-Ends, GUI's and AOI (All-In-One) bundles that make it easier if you don't fancy CMD.
Since it's CLI, you can also do batch scripts easily with it.



But, since you've still yet to learn how to identify the source, I'd worry more about that right now before moving on to eac3to.
DVD's are not likely to have a source you want to work with.
Some DVD's will have LPCM, so that would be okay to work with.
Some DVD's will have DTS audio. Which will always be a lossy DTS source, so that's not good to work with.

BD's are what you want to work with.
Unless, the audio is AC3, then it doesn't matter what you use.
Some old movies will sometimes contain AC3 only, the first release to The Road Warrior.
Then, there was the trilogy boxset in a tin case that was released that gave everything a good remastering. The Road Warrior got upgraded Bluray audio to DTSHDMA.
Some really nice distributors will give you an old movie with LPCM audio, which is nice. Doesn't matter if it's mono or just stereo. The original audio is what you really want.

But, that's not the end of it.
Some movies will have different audio formats in different countries.
For example, The Last Samurai in North America has AC3 (lossy) only. WB does this a lot to accomodate the hundred language dubs they provide.
In some European countries, the audio for The Last Samurai (in English) is TrueHD (lossless).
You'll want to get your hands on that imported version (or domestic if you're from the regions that sells it with TrueHD).

You also have to worry about 7.1 audio, as it's mostly a marketing gimmick and not a powerhouse audio format.
You'll see old movies get remastered to 7.1 when it was always 5.1 audio.
Se7en was first available in 5.1 and decent video transfer. Then a special remastered edition came out with excellent picture quality and 7.1 DTSHDMA.
In Canada, we had an interlaced bluray with AC3 and an additional LPCM track, all in 5.1.
The remastered Se7en might be cooler, you think.
But, the mixing is total garbage. It's been upscaled to 7.1 and if you use eac3to on it, it will say "7.1 (strange setup)".
Strange Setup is not easy to transcode to other formats. It ways drops volume by -3dB or so. And it's not a linear volume change either.
I found that it completely warps the audio. It gives a horrible listening experience.
You have to use MakeMKV to convert to FLAC, as it works with the Arcsoft decoder on an API level while eac3to does not.
Even knewest movies will be upscaled. The Maze Runner was 7.1 strange setup, and so was X-Men: Days of Future Past.

DTS doesn't always mean "awesome".
DTS can be lossy most of the time.
The only lossless format is "DTS-HD Master Audio".
DTS-HD HR (High Res/High Resolution) is a lossy DTS format.
DTS-ES is a lossy format.
Just plain "DTS" is a lossy format.
Plain DTS is found on DVD's. And is the core audio, subset, of the DTSHDMA format.
With the lossless DTSHDMA audio, you can extract the lossy DTS core, if you want.

FFMPEG, Audacity and others will always read the DTS core only.
eac3to will too, if you don't have the Arcsoft decoder registered to your Windows system.

So, that's a crash course on identifying the source.

Getting it is another thing.
You might be vague in saying you know where to get it, but you'll probably download from a public tracker with words like "HD" and "108p" and "BDrip" and "BRrip".
Which most public torrent sites (and direct download forums, too) will only provide the lossy core.
"remux" is what you really want to look for, as it will contain the original BD audio. But, it may be 20-35GB in size.
Some nice groups/scenes will have the lossless BD audio in their encodes.
But you have to read the info and get to know the names of these groups/scenes before commiting your bandwidth to a download.
They won't always say what the audio format is. They're not expecting the downloaders to care.



There'll be a download of the eac3to bundle Soon™. Others are expecting an update for some time now.


And, for future reference, you don't have to quote the entire post. You can just quote the keywords you want to talk about.
Or not at all and just use @sparktank.


Every time you quote a full post, 10 trees die in vein.
:smrt:

Do you know of any programs similar to eac3to or Arcsoft that will work on Macintosh? I don't have a Windows computer. If you do, can you please tell me? I've also read that I need a program like Nero 7 to run a program like eac3to. Is that true? By the way, what do you mean by, "Bundles?"

That album contains SFX in the prologue cue.

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I'm confused, I thought the recording sessions that were released in that thread were free of SFX, including the prologue.

Do you know of any programs similar to eac3to or Arcsoft that will work on Macintosh? I don't have a Windows computer. If you do, can you please tell me? I've also read that I need a program like Nero 7 to run a program like eac3to. Is that true? By the way, what do you mean by, "Bundles?"

1) Mac, I don't know anything. They probably wouldn't be bit-perfect either, tbh.

2) Nero 7, true only if you are to work with AAC.
But, you can easily pipe to/from eac3to.

3) Bundles, as in bundled software that contains: eac3to, ffmpeg, lame, qaac, etc. Mostly just a bunch of existing freeware codecs and encoders/decoders.
For eac3to, I really only prefer and recommend to use a GUI that's designed (and updated) for it.
Other bundled software is okay, but more or less targeted for encoding movies to MKV/AVI/MP4 (so you would use eac3to to decode audio, qaac to encode to AAC, etc).


I'm confused, I thought the recording sessions that were released in that thread were free of SFX, including the prologue.

I'd like to know this for sure, too.

I'm confused, I thought the recording sessions that were released in that thread were free of SFX, including the prologue.

There is the sound of birds in the cue.

There is the sound of birds in the cue.

This could mean several things: Williams wanted the birds as part of the cue (pretty unlikely), or that particular track is just a really good DVDrip, not an encode from the sessions. Or maybe there's some other bizarre scenario I've not thought of.

By the way - very informative posts, Sparktank. They're a nice read.

First off, I'm a huge John Williams fan, but I'm embarrassed to say I'm not very familiar with this score. That being said, I downloaded the recording sessions from this thread:

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I listened to the Prologue cue (with headphones) and I didn't hear any birds or any other SFX (no narration either). Where exactly do you hear birds in the cue?

After I finish editing it some time this week.

When you're finished editing, can you please send me link to it? Thanks.

Sanaa111, are you sure you downloaded the recording sessions and not someone's DVD rip? I compared the prologue from the RS to a "complete score" (DVD rip) that was uploaded here a while back. The DVD rip has very audible sound effects in that cue, but the prologue cue from the RS does not have any birds that I can hear, and I listened to it three times.

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"complete score" (DVD rip) that was uploaded here a while back.

I knew there was a DVD rip somewhere.
That's probably what sanaa downloaded. And doesn't know what RS are, really.

I don't know what RS stands for. Can you please tell me?

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Sanaa111, are you sure you downloaded the recording sessions and not someone's DVD rip? I compared the prologue from the RS to a "complete score" (DVD rip) that was uploaded here a while back. The DVD rip has very audible sound effects in that cue, but the prologue cue from the RS does not have any birds that I can hear, and I listened to it three times.

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I was downloading the recordings sessions.

'RS' stands for Recording Sessions.

Are you sure you downloaded the sessions? Try the link in codyap's thread.

I'm sure and I did try the link in codyap's thread.

So far only one person claims the RS have sfx while everyone else, including Cody, says otherwise.
Cody has a Mega link, so sanaa is probably using an incompatible browser or plugin, or just country-restricted.

I say we just ignore any more of this for now until another person says there's sfx in the sessions.

In the mean time, I should have time tonight to do an HD verison. Don't know if there's going to be birds if you listen closely.
There's definitely no Morgan Freeman.

If the DVD edit has birds in it, it's like the BD version will too.
I just don't listen at a loud enough level to hear all the details and I don't use headphones on the desktop/laptop either.

I used Firefox and Safari. Would Firefox be compatible?

Not sure. They need to update their site or web browsers need to update for their site.

Use JDownloader, it works better.

How do I download the file with JDownloader?

Well, install jDownloader. Then copy the link URL. If it doesn't automatically paste itself into the program, do it manually.

jDownloader does just about everything automatically for you, so it shouldn't be too hard.

JDownloader.org - Official Homepage (http://www.jdownloader.org/)

They got a Mac version, should be the same on Windows.
It has no problems with Mega links.
The only time it does, is if the link is parsed incorrectly on the site. This is usually if the poster copy/pasted the link incorrectly. There's been a few instances.

But, it's all I use for all links.
Make sure to check the options where the download directory will be.

What's the download directory? I downloaded the files with JDownloader and I can still hear that sound of birds in the prologue cue.

I'm listening to the Recording Sessions now.

I don't hear any birds.

Are you sure you've got the right folder?
1-01 Prologue.mp3
320cbr
2:51.909 (7 581 173 samples)
6.71 MB (7,041,024 bytes)

Is it a psychological thing?
Like when you listen to the original trilogy to Star Wars and hear the tie fighters still without them actually being there.

I'm not hearing any birds from Cody's link.
can you pinpoint a time frame where you hear the birds??

Are we being pranked or something? ;)

By the way, thanks, Sparktank, now I'm going to hear TIE Fighters next time I listen to Star Wars. :)

can you pinpoint a time frame where you hear the birds??

Here is the time frame where I hear the birds: 2 minutes and 1 second in.

There are no fx in the prologue, I have listened twice now. On headphones even. Nadda.

There are no fx in the prologue, I have listened twice now. On headphones even. Nadda.

:this:

Not hearing birds.

Sanaa, delete what you have and use that recording sessions.
To find the download directory for JDownloader, check the settings.

Okay. Which settings should I check?

"Settings" is all in one place. Just go through each one and look.

I'm not holding your hand for this. Put on your big boy pants and march, mister.