Overrated Video Game Music 24: Dancing Mad Part 4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPHFj0j2DXg)

Wtf man? is everything from ff6 overhated?
Seems like the ff7 fans are going out of their way to hate on it,i mean:its way more complex than one winged angel.
Seriously:WTF? dancing mad is a work of art.

I don't think these kids have even a miniscule idea of the complexity of that piece.I mean:Every single part of dancing mad is completely different.Thats not attacking course one winged angel,its good,but i vastly prefer ff9's soundtrack over ff7's soundtrack.

Overrated Video Game Music 24: Dancing Mad Part 4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPHFj0j2DXg)

Wtf man? is everything from ff6 overhated?
Seems like the ff7 fans are going out of their way to hate on it,i mean:its way more complex than one winged angel.
Seriously:WTF? dancing mad is a work of art.

I don't think these kids have even a miniscule idea of the complexity of that piece.I mean:Every single part of dancing mad is completely different.Thats not attacking course one winged angel,its good,but i vastly prefer ff9's soundtrack over ff7's soundtrack.

As a musician myself I'll say the following:

1st - Complexity does not Qualify as a factor that instantly makes a work of art effective or better than the simplest one. It gives merit to the Composer's Level of Knowledge for the most part.

2nd - While Dancing Mad is an astoundingly Piece of music, mixing some of the best Prog Rock ever (Very Reminiscent of Emerson Lake and Palmer). It has it's weaknesses:
The Church Organ segments are overly long, a little repetitive in some fragments. and difficult to go through.

3rd - One-Winged-Angel while it has a catchy melody, it does not mean that it's any more simpler than Dancing Mad. The play with the Chorus and the Multi Insturmented Orchestrated Interludes and Passages are short, complicated on their own arrangements and effective at the best, with a multiple changes of pace and rhythms, it keep the Music fresh. It's an Orchestrated Aria thoughtfully created in a Heavy Rock basis.

4th - Lastly but not least, Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder

On a personal take, I agree that the both pieces are a overrated.
Although, the Arragement of Dancing Mad made by the Black Mages, cutting almost like 6 minutes of the original song found in the SNES and adding a Great Guitar Solo as the Finale for the song, was the best they've could've done with the Piece.

The thing is:I was reacting angrily because i was seeing people on youtube in a video titled:Dancing mad overrated.
There were people saying its shit and owa is da best song evarr.

Overrated Video Game Music 24: Dancing Mad Part 4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPHFj0j2DXg)

See the title? he claims that it isn't the best ff song or best this and that.

What makes dancing mad amazing,is that the entire song is 3 entire pieces.
My least favorite,is the church part of the music.I saw a link of a review of dancing mad,and the guy who made it was explaining what it symbolizes.Also:While dancing mad is popular,its not as popular as:owa.Owa is a good song,but i prefer dancing mad and dark messenger over owa.Something becomes overrated usually,because it has a lot of popularity and is made out to be something its not.I have an appreciation for music.I think that dancing mad gets just enough appreciation honestly,but i think some go to far to hate on it,while owa i feel gets too much appreciation.I also like the theme for barthandalus in FFXIII.It feels really grand and epic.

I feel that i'm appreciative at least towards music.
I enjoy good music very much,and i very much enjoy nobuo uematsus work,but i also think that there are other composers who have done pieces just as good as heh as,for an example:The guy who did the music for suikoden 2,was really good.I also think that the guy who did crisis core music was brilliant.Another great one:Dragon quest 8,journey of the cursed king.Absolutely beautiful pieces of music.I absolutely adore some of the dragonquest music.

One thing that really annoys me,is that sometimes people don't really appreciate a musical piece,and just like whatever heavy metal piece there is,or whatever.The music post ff5,i feel is more and more complex,with better array of instruments.

FF6 ff7 ff8 ff9 FFX FFXIII have real instruments,and seemed to go from rock to something along the lines of classical music.Oh yeah:did you see the quality change in ff3 ds? i'm talking about ff3 japanese,not american ff3 which is really ff6.The game that was once on the nes,has some really lovely town music that gets often overlooked.

i hated the third act. electric insturments? what the flying FUCK?

then again, i got accostumed to the godly remix from sega fantasy 6. granted it had modern drums and cimbals, but come on, epic organ is fucking epic.

i hated the third act. electric insturments? what the flying FUCK?

then again, i got accostumed to the godly remix from sega fantasy 6. granted it had modern drums and cimbals, but come on, epic organ is fucking epic.

I really liked the whole song the most in the final fantasy final boss themes so far,followed by the grand effect of barthandalus has to be one of the most epic boss themes,and kuja's millenium theme is really epic as well.

Dark messenger is pretty epic.Its the kind of song that would have made zeromus epic and a lot more evil.

I really like nobuo uematsus work,i really do.I was listening recently to owa from advent children version,and i think its better than the original one.

i was talking about the orchestration from a symphonic play in sydney.
everything was godly until the third act where it was mostly played with modern instruments.

I liked some of the orchestrated version,but in some ways i prefer the original.

What i loved about dancing mad,is the sense of the apocalypse coming.When i hear of the first part,i think of a holy armageddon lead by kefka.It really brings this sense of the world being in trouble.Each piece of boss music for me,brings a different feel.
For me,kefka's music fitted perfectly,because he was in the 1800's or late 1700's.The music fits in more than heavy metal,because of the era it was in.The second part wasn't as good as the original,because they messed up the organ scene.I heard that the classical keyboard part was the very hardest part of the song.So the song starts out with the coming apocalypse,when the statues are moved,and then it changes into a theme that represents that kefka has godhood,and he is a real threat,because he is burning down the world.The second part represents him being a holy bastard who is evil as shit.The third part represents that you have to fight for everything,or else the world will be destroyed completely,so it fits perfectly.One guy said that the sad part of part 3,represents that kefka is afraid and accepting death because he kicks and screams that he is losing,but there is nothing he can do about it,except accept it.

Sephiroth was in the modern era,so rock and roll and heavy metal fit perfectly in the game.

Kuja's boss theme is rock and roll,but also has organ in there too.Its beginning sounds like we will rock you,and follows by having really epic theme that reminded me of why i liked zeromus theme so much.

This is the best Arrangement of Dancing Mad People...

The Black Mages - Dancing Mad (Final Fantasy VI) FULL VERSION - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdt74rarv4g)


12 Minutes of Pure WIN

Toppoz,the thing about dancing mad:Is each part is extremely symbolic.

The first part for an example,represents kefka coming into power and the coming of the apocalypse.It represents a time where the world will be brought to ruin.The second part of the first song represents kefka already having power and is burning down the world.And that you shouldn't underestimate him because of it.

The second part represents his holyness,and him being a god worshipped in the tower of fanatics as he burns down villages and separates continents.

The third part represents for me that he is destroying the world and that you must stop him or the world will end.Or at least that is what the sad part felt to me.It was like:You are the world's last hope,kill him or damm the entire universe in complete anhilation.

Did you listened that track?

Did you listened that track?

Yes i did,and there were pieces that were better than the sydney orchestra,especially the all organ part which is basically:Church music.

Its a really good rendition of the piece.That wasn't my point though,i was pointing out the symbolism of the song itself.I don't think the electric guitar fits though.Its kind of too modernised for the actual era,since ff6 takes place in the late 1700's music piece.

This is the best Arrangement of Dancing Mad People...

The Black Mages - Dancing Mad (Final Fantasy VI) FULL VERSION - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdt74rarv4g)


12 Minutes of Pure WIN

Great arrangement, but I very much prefer the Distant Worlds II rendition (www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMFCM0SKbnY). I can't stand Black Mages' cheesy 1990's synths =/. especially the choir synth. ewwwwwwwww

However I will say, that guitar at the ends is maaagniiiiiificent

electric guitar doesn't go with dancing mad,its too modern.
Also:is that a horn i hear at the beginning? The singing is perfect though.

Great arrangement, but I very much prefer the Distant Worlds II rendition (www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMFCM0SKbnY). I can't stand Black Mages' cheesy 1990's synths =/. especially the choir synth. ewwwwwwwww

However I will say, that guitar at the ends is maaagniiiiiificent

At first listen I didn't liked the Synth Choirs of Black Mages, but at the end of the day I ended up liking it because it has the flavor and charm of the SNES music.

And yeah, the Guitar for the Finale is superb.

Distant Worlds issue is that they slowed down the Tempo way too much. It lacks Power and Attack IMO.
The Mix is horrible also IMO, the Organ barely can be listened.
The best of Distant Worlds is the Choir Section and the Brass.

At first listen I didn't liked the Synth Choirs of Black Mages, but at the end of the day I ended up liking it because it has the flavor and charm of the SNES music.

And yeah, the Guitar for the Finale is superb.

Distant Worlds issue is that they slowed down the Tempo way too much. It lacks Power and Attack IMO.
The Mix is horrible also IMO, the Organ barely can be listened.
The best of Distant Worlds is the Choir Section and the Brass.

The choir part also Dancing Mad (Orchestral Version) Part 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib6ZySkP4_0) of the orchestra version is beautiful.Sounds just like what you would expect,because orchestra fits religious songs very well.

Dancing Mad (Orchestral Version) Part 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uTDwipqshA&feature=related) Part 2:04,where the organ starts playing with the choir,sounds just right for the tune.I don't like the first part that much,but its not bad.

Dancing Mad (Orchestral Version) Part 3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY3pylw5RTM&feature=related) This one doesn't sound anything like dancing mad,instead it sounds mostly like an orchestra version of kefka's main theme.I admit,its pretty damm cool,and this song would work great in a remake of ff3 for 3ds,but thats just wishful thinking.

Dancing mad overrated? 3 words that don't belong together...

Whoever came up with this word combination is an idiot & ignorant.

Admittedly, I love this song too. I also like OWA. I used to like OWA more, but I think now that I've heard it enough times, I'm just getting bored of it. I think the reason I didn't pay nearly as much attention to it before was the limitations of the original sound from the SNES. Now that they've got Dancing Mad in orchestra, a version done by the Black Mages and Distant Worlds, they got to do with it what they couldn't in the original. In fact, the Black Mages interpretation inspired me so much, that I felt this picture just had to be drawn (even though I realize it's not quite completed):





(I'm still unsure if his final form has makeup or not. Thoughts on that are welcome. If it's not relevant to this topic, feel free to PM me about it instead.)

When I first heard the Black Mages, I thought it wasn't very interesting compared to the original, until it hit the guitar solo at the end, and then I was all like, "Holy crap, what song is this!?" And I think what they wanted to do there was emphasize the sad part by sticking that guitar solo in there; it wouldn't have been as easy to do with the original SNES version of it. I didn't think much of that until I heard the Black Mages interpretation of it. But I love that version anyways. Just because of that one guitar solo at the end.
There are also things I liked about the Distant Worlds II (the returning home one is slightly different) version, and things I didn't like about it. As people have said, it is a bit slower, but that works out fine for the sad part. In fact, I find it's sadder than the Black Mages one, with it being slower and having the choir in there. The Black Mages one just sounds more "painful" than sad.

Coincidentally, I happened to look at the GameFAQs ratings of the Final Fantasy games except for 11, and I doubt it's going to affect much anyways, but apparently, the SNES version of Final Fantasy VI has the highest rating of any mainstream Final Fantasy game. It seems to me that after 7, there's been a steady drop in the score, and it seems fanservice and fancy graphics and sound are taking over from there. I mean they're still all great, and there's nothing below a 7 on average, but it doesn't compare to the 8 and 9 averages from previous games. I think we all know, however, that a game being good doesn't necessarily mean it will be popular. There's significantly more attention drawn to fanart and fanfiction of FF7, 8, 10 and so on than there is for 6, even if it is considered by most people to be the best FF game.

According to Wikipedia, Kefka is considered to be one of the best antagonists in video games in general. So that's probably one of the reasons why it has such a good storyline. A good antagonist is important.

I like the orchestra one as well in some bits,but i prefer the original or black mages version in other parts.

It has to do,with this song being meant to be sort of classical,with outlines of rock.This music is supposed to represent kefka as a god,and heavy metal doesn't portray those parts very well,because metal is non religious in a lot of senses.

I once heard a version,that turned the second part of the first verse,into a samba.It was more like a brazilian dance tune than anything else,and i was like:This absolutely sucks.

What Dancing Mad Should Be Like - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8G4-2OSMDk)

The organ version is great in this version,but the rest of the song sucks in this version.

Admittedly, I love this song too. I also like OWA. I used to like OWA more, but I think now that I've heard it enough times, I'm just getting bored of it. I think the reason I didn't pay nearly as much attention to it before was the limitations of the original sound from the SNES. Now that they've got Dancing Mad in orchestra, a version done by the Black Mages and Distant Worlds, they got to do with it what they couldn't in the original. In fact, the Black Mages interpretation inspired me so much, that I felt this picture just had to be drawn (even though I realize it's not quite completed):





(I'm still unsure if his final form has makeup or not. Thoughts on that are welcome. If it's not relevant to this topic, feel free to PM me about it instead.)

When I first heard the Black Mages, I thought it wasn't very interesting compared to the original, until it hit the guitar solo at the end, and then I was all like, "Holy crap, what song is this!?" And I think what they wanted to do there was emphasize the sad part by sticking that guitar solo in there; it wouldn't have been as easy to do with the original SNES version of it. I didn't think much of that until I heard the Black Mages interpretation of it. But I love that version anyways. Just because of that one guitar solo at the end.

The Recording is superb on the Black Mages Version and that makes up for it sound to be amazing, the Solo at the End is great as well, it really culminates in an interesting passage through stricking and memorable melodies and reduces a lot of the repetitveness that the SNES version suffers. That's why it makes it so amazing.



The Black Mages one just sounds more "painful" than sad.

And this is better, because it suppose to represent madness in the Violent way.




This music is supposed to represent kefka as a god,and heavy metal doesn't portray those parts very well,because metal is non religious in a lot of senses.


You Really don't know much about Metal do you?

You Really don't know much about Metal do you?[/QUOTE]

I know abougt music,and metal doesn't fit religious songs that well,when it is a certain period of time music,like:Classical music.
Soft rock:Maybe,but heavy metal guitars don't fit.I am not talking about the regular string version,i'm talking about electric guitar version strings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8G4-2OSMDk&lc=o6cpYYDsNQDfAA2g6AzmqpB_N7cexfjdzrvsBuSYqIw&feature=inbox

This version simply is flawed.The first part of this song is too fast,and not apocalyptic enough,and the second verse sounds far too catchy and brazillian,and not threatening enough.Its like something you would dance to.

The third part,where you get the religious overtone,is quite good.It shows you both versions.
The orchestra works very well because dancing mad is very strong in the religious overtone.I believe its as strong,if not stronger than owa.It sounds like bach basically,and bach is very very religious joyous music,but kefka isn't joyous at all,and kefka is an evil bastard burning down villages while people worship him in the tower of fanatics,so what the fuck are you talking about toppoz?

Some genres of music mixing simply don't work.Bjork experiments a lot,and has a very underground sounding music,but not everything is amazingly good.Heavy metal is awesome,but it doesn't work in dancing mad.It doesn't work that well either in owa,but the rest of the songs fit perfectly with heavy metal,and sound natural.Just look at fight on:It sounds better with heavy metal than it does with the first version.Jenova's theme sounds even better with heavy metal.

I know abougt music,and metal doesn't fit religious songs that well,when it is a certain period of time music,like:Classical music.
Soft rock:Maybe,but heavy metal guitars don't fit.I am not talking about the regular string version,i'm talking about electric guitar version strings.

Well, you certainly haven't listened to Symphonic Metal.

Haggard - Herr Mannelig - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1held3PDOE)

Therion - To Mega Therion - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvIW2dVv8GU)

Haggard - Awaking The Centuries - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iTlu3STCdI)

Therion - The Khlysti Evangelist [Subtitulada] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iQCk6YLNG0)

Therion - The Rise of Sodom and Gomorra - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqLYjRn--GI)

Rhapsody - Symphony of Enchanted Lands - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTfpN9919K4)

Rhapsody - Riding in the Winds of Eternity - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V2Sm6R7yw4)

Bonus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3pJa0flBo0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaN3pwBsRf8

Those are light metal,not really heavy heavy metal sounding songs.Also:I'm talking about a religious song.

Bach - Cello Suite No. 1 in G Major BWV1007 - Mov. 1-3/6 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwHpDOWhkGk&feature=fvst.This) is bach from a certain period of music,that is why its called classical period music.Heavy metal guitars did not exist 50 years ago,nor did it exist 100 or more years ago.You are talking about a modern music that became more popular in the last 30 years.

Really metal sounds like death metal and themes from metal groups from the last 10 years doesn't clash too well with musics that are supposed to symbolize a holy god that wants to destroy the world,like kefka.It wouldn't work in barthalamus either.Also,rock and roll was only invented like:What 60 years ago?

Ok:Lets make it clearer ok?

Imagine if they were doing a movie about shopan or mozart,and gave it a death metal or heavy metal feel to it like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1nOVr_CQnU with similar or same singing right? It wouldn't fit,because classical music doesn't have a beat,and heavy metal riffs didn't exist,so it doesn't fit because:some songs aren't designed to have those kind of riffs.

Some modern songs of classical music mesh together light rock overtones,but its a light guitar string,and not a really really heavy electric guitar riff.

Another example:Imagine if sephiroth's boss music was 50 cent:People would feel different about the whole image if it was some rap song that didn't fit.

Obviously when you reduce it to that it's easy to make things look stupid.



Those are light metal,not really heavy heavy metal sounding songs.Also:I'm talking about a religious song.

You obviously haven't listened to neither of those links or just stayed with the first seconds of each or something like that. And you have a clear misconception about what is Light or Heavy Metal.

Awaking the Centuries lasts 9 minutes.
The Divine Wings of Tragedy last 20 and The Odyssey 23.
Symphony of Enchanted Lands 13 Minutes.

You have plenty of examples there to how blend together without losing the Theme of the song.

And song that has a lyrical content speaking of a Religion whatever may be. It's a Religious song.

You want some Operatic Religious Choir blended with Metal Riffing?

I already gave ya To Mega Therion.

here's another one: Heavenly Damnation - Haggard (Awaking the Centuries) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAJh6AQ3q-s)



bach from a certain period of music

Yeah, it's from the Baroque Period. Not the Classical One.



Imagine if they were doing a movie about shopan or mozart

It's Chopin, dawg.


classical music doesn't have a beat

If by beat you mean like BEAT, from the definition itself, the pulses within any musical Piece. You are certainly mistaken. Every piece of music has beat, independently of it's genre.



,and heavy metal riffs didn't exist,so it doesn't fit because:some songs aren't designed to have those kind of riffs.

Yeah right, Summer from Vivaldi's Four Seasons, Specially the Storm movement has something that can be considered a heavy metal Riff. The difference only is on the instrumentation. So compositionally speaking they are almost the same thing.




Some modern songs of classical music mesh together light rock overtones,but its a light guitar string,and not a really really heavy electric guitar riff.

Ritchie Blackmore, Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai, Jason Becker, Michael Romeo, Luca Turilli or any Power Metal or Neo-CLASSICAL Guitarrist, would certainly have a word with you.



Another example:Imagine if sephiroth's boss music was 50 cent:People would feel different about the whole image if it was some rap song that didn't fit.

A very extreme and stupid example, they obviously won't match up because Rap music does not have it's roots on Classical or Academical Music.

NO:You don't get it.

Beats,as in:Rythm.Black culture brought blues,then jazz and then finally:Rock and roll.Before that,you had a totally different type of music.

Have you ever heard a drum beat in an old classical music piece? Probably not,because it didn't exist.As i said in an extreme example:Imagine if you had justin bieber singing sephiroth's theme with a techno beat instead of an orchestra.You say that it won't matter? But it does matter.Sweeping music can make emotional scenes 1000 times better,and a bad music can make the scene far less so.

I even asked my mother who knows more than i do,and she agreed with me:Classical music and death metal/really heavy riff electric guitar don't mix.

I learned from her,cause she has more years of experience than either of us.She was around when rock and roll was new thing,and when the beach boys were hip in the 60's.Girshwin is also a bit different,cause its modern classical music.Even then:it still has a sweeping orchestra,but no electric guitar.I wonder why:OH I KNOW!! its because electric guitar didn't exist.

I am talking about electric guitar,not acoustic.Acoustic works in some cases,because it has a different sound than an electric guitar.

Grunge existed back in the 60's,but rock and roll itself has probably existed maybe:60 years?
Back in the classical era,you had kettle drums.Percussion came from africa.

While i really like rock and roll,i know that some genres simply do not go together.
The reason it works:is because it was already a rock and roll theme,and it also fits the era perfectly.
Take ff7 for an example:Fight on is a rock and roll song with heavy metal influence that can clearly be seen.The song was designed from the start to be like that,and it fits the era perfectly.When you enter a battle in crisis core,the music accentuates the scenes so well,that its literally a pleasure to hear that,and i keep thinking:Crisis averted.

Imagine ff4 world with rap and techno and death metal.Doesn't work does it? Of course not! the era is completely off.In a battle,it doesn't matter as much,but the towns and such are mid evil era,so the classical music like instruments with harps fit perfectly.

NO:You don't get it.

I do get it.



Beats,as in:Rythm.
Then I was right...
Definition: The beat is the basic unit of time in music, the pulse of the mensural level[1] (or beat level).
In pop Culture it refers to: "a variety of related concepts including: tempo, meter, rhythm and groove".




Have you ever heard a drum beat in an old classical music piece? Probably not,because it didn't exist.

In fact, I did and they do exist:

Timpani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timpani)



I even asked my mother who knows more than i do,and she agreed with me:Classical music and death metal/really heavy riff electric guitar don't mix.

This have gone beyond ridiculous...

But as I've putted many examples in my posts above with songs that mix Classical Music with Death Metal Riffing and Growls. If you really want to push it. You can always have some Dimmu Borgir, one of the best Symphonic Black Metal from the 90's.
If you wish to Ignore all the links that I've posted be my guest.

Respects to your Mother.
But, here's Antonin Dvorak's Symphony of the New World 1st Movement with Heavy Metal Riffing as a base.

Rhapsody - The Wizard's Last Rhymes - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L95MNCQzD-A)

And there's a Solid and numerous base of Metal Listeners and Proffessional Musicians that will disagree with your view.

Check this Documentary: Metal: A Headbanger's Journey (Part 1/7) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae_6lYRdu74)



I learned from her,cause she has more years of experience than either of us.

I'm really skeptical of that.



She was around when rock and roll was new thing,and when the beach boys were hip in the 60's.Girshwin is also a bit different,cause its modern classical music.Even then:it still has a sweeping orchestra,but no electric guitar.I wonder why:OH I KNOW!! its because electric guitar didn't exist.


And the Instrumentation has nothing to do with the Musical Form if it follows the structure of the Composition.

If Electric Guitar exists or does not exist on the time period of baroque music has nothing to do if a Musical Piece can be mixed with several genres.

Vitalij Kuprij - Piano Overture (with Michael Romeo) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY3u0LbAd0Y)

And to Close my statement.



4th - Lastly but not least, Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder

God you are annoying .

When i was listening to mozart or:shopin(Thanks for the correction) I did not hear a drum beat.You did have some stringed instruments,but its also more than just an instrument:Not everything works.I said this a million times,and it won't get through:It has a massive effect on the game.HEY!! remember nobuo uematsu? why not have britney spears make all final fantasy music? that way you can listen to crappy music,and then when all of the music sucks,you can run up to me and apologize because the music is out of context and doesn't fit the scenes and just plain sucks,am i getting through yet?

Do you think resident evil would be as scary,if you had some sort of happy music for killing zombies? NO!! it wouldn't.
Its more than just about instrumentation:Its about fitting the scenes with the perfect music.Good music can make a scene more epic,or plain ruin it.Listening to a musical piece while not playing the game can lead to a person not really knowing if it fits or not.
Imagine if you play some really happy music when aeris dies,ok? did you feel sad? The musical piece is important for scenes,and contributes to the overall feel of a game.Kefka is a god,and all metal removes that feel of religious baroque era feel.Heavy metal doesn't work,because it isn't considered church music.When i think of church and mid evil era,i think of organs playing and classical music like bach.

Ignoring all your baseless arguments and assumptions aside, I did find and understand the basis of your argument though.


God you are annoying .

I'm Amazing.



When i was listening to mozart or:shopin(Thanks for the correction)

It's Chopin.



The musical piece is important for scenes,and contributes to the overall feel of a game.

This is the basis of your argument. But you're not having in mind that the Arrangements were not made with the game in mind. They were made with the intention to make a rendition to the piece and listen to it outside the game.

That's why there are going to be times that they obviously going to sound not fitting to the game, because you're not supposed to play the game while listening to the arrangement. Mostly beacuse the arrangement does not exist in the game.

Wether you like or not the Arrangements, it's only up to the listener. Whether you find the genre combination fitting or not fitting in any piece of music. It's also up to the listener.

EDIT: :imout:

But the arrangement,might not be suitable even for the remake.

Classical music and grunge,don't mix.There are some really cool songs of metal that work in other types of games.Sure:You could put rap and techno,but it might not really fit.The grunge metal of the electric guitar,leaves a feel of van halen jimmy hendrix feel of modern guitar.In games like:brutal legend.
brutal legend+metal and rock+jack black=mega super awesome.But:When you have a classical music piece that is very symbolic,and you shove in something that may or may not fit,because you love it:You risk the loss of the symbolic feel.I wouldn't call dark messenger heavy metal,and it definitely is rock.Even dancing mad has rock and roll,but it is weaved very carefully together to mesh just right.
I think part of what makes dancing mad so sucessfull,is that the song captures the fight,and magnifies it to an epic proportion.If you think you are better than nobuo uematsu,and some of those,then why don't you go make a game music piece?

Shoot,i didn't want to do this.

Well really, I think it all depends on opinion. I happen to like classical orchestra works being mixed with heavy metal, but I admit that's really a matter of taste. When you say they don't mix, that's because you don't like how they sound together. I could say the same with rap. I don't appreciate it, and the majority of the lyrics aren't really to my taste (in fact, I think a lot of it is stupid and tasteless), but I recognize that some people will still like it, and there are occasional rap pieces that don't piss me off. I just don't like the genre in general.

I think what's actually more important is not that someone had the idea to put metal and orchestra together, but rather how they did it. I'm sure there are numerous remixes made by fans for popular songs from video games and anime, and some of them don't sound all that great. I find arrangements of video game music from earlier consoles done by the original composers are usually done well; they know what they're doing. So some genre hybrids can end up sounding badly, and some of them will sound great. It just depends on the creativity and the talents/skills of the person arranging it.

You may believe Dancing Mad should have been about classical music, and should only be about those religious themes. I never actually believed that about it. I recognize it is primarily an organ piece, but organ music doesn't have to be limited to religious works. Even Bach made secular organ works. I just felt the use of the guitar solo in the Black Mages version was adequate. It has a different quality from the organ that makes the wailing, screaming sound more believable. Which is why I said it was more painful than sad, and I think it works in that respect. There aren't a lot of religiously themed instruments that can achieve that kind of effect.

I think what's actually more important is not that someone had the idea to put metal and orchestra together, but rather how they did it. I'm sure there are numerous remixes made by fans for popular songs from video games and anime, and some of them don't sound all that great. I find arrangements of video game music from earlier consoles done by the original composers are usually done well; they know what they're doing. So some genre hybrids can end up sounding badly, and some of them will sound great. It just depends on the creativity and the talents/skills of the person arranging it.

You may believe Dancing Mad should have been about classical music, and should only be about those religious themes. I never actually believed that about it. I recognize it is primarily an organ piece, but organ music doesn't have to be limited to religious works. Even Bach made secular organ works. I just felt the use of the guitar solo in the Black Mages version was adequate. It has a different quality from the organ that makes the wailing, screaming sound more believable. Which is why I said it was more painful than sad, and I think it works in that respect. There aren't a lot of religiously themed instruments that can achieve that kind of effect.[/QUOTE]

It has to do with the overtone of the music,and how it relates to the fight.Also:I heard several fanworks of nobuo's songs,adn they would literally ruin it by making it purely heavy metal.I heard black mages songs that made me shake my head,and think:I simply can't get into this.Others that make me think:HOLY SHIT!! this is actually better than the original,like fight on version from crisis core and advent children sounds better,because heavy metal somehow just works better than orchestra.

As i said earlier:It depends on the scene,and the person making the music.The version listed did keep most of the roots of the song,but i heard a version that turned the second half of verse one,into a brazillian dance theme.

This is the best Arrangement of Dancing Mad People...

The Black Mages - Dancing Mad (Final Fantasy VI) FULL VERSION - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdt74rarv4g)


12 Minutes of Pure WIN

i beg to differ.
while it may be good in metal/rock/whatthefuckever, i still prefer a classic orchestration. dont try to make me think otherwise.

i beg to differ.
while it may be good in metal/rock/whatthefuckever, i still prefer a classic orchestration. dont try to make me think otherwise.

That's Fine dawg.

EDIT: If you like it orchestrated that's really great. It's your taste. What bugs me is when people come saying that the genre combination or the insertion of another Instrument does not work for the Piece, when it evidently works.

It has to do with the overtone of the music,and how it relates to the fight.Also:I heard several fanworks of nobuo's songs,adn they would literally ruin it by making it purely heavy metal.I heard black mages songs that made me shake my head,and think:I simply can't get into this.Others that make me think:HOLY SHIT!! this is actually better than the original,like fight on version from crisis core and advent children sounds better,because heavy metal somehow just works better than orchestra.

As i said earlier:It depends on the scene,and the person making the music.The version listed did keep most of the roots of the song,but i heard a version that turned the second half of verse one,into a brazillian dance theme.

Yes, it's true some songs do better with certain instruments than others, but I wouldn't base it on what I think has to work. That usually works, but it's not wrong to try other instruments, even if you don't expect them to work out. They might sometimes work anyways.

And it happens with a lot of popular classic songs like Beethoven's fifth and ninth symphonies, a few of his piano sonatas, and just as many from Mozart, Bach, Grieg, Chopin, Debussy, etc. They've been remixed to death by a lot of Japanese gaming companies for music and rhythm games (and the Parodius games from Konami), and while they may not be as epic as the original classic version it was intended to be, it works just fine for the context of the game it's in. They're often intended to be silly, and not really serious.

So ja, perhaps mixing heavy metal into Dancing Mad might not always be the best idea (except for that guitar solo at the end. That was a good idea), if you're so worried about the symbolism being ruined, but in the context of a stand-alone music piece by itself, it does just fine.

At first listen I didn't liked the Synth Choirs of Black Mages, but at the end of the day I ended up liking it because it has the flavor and charm of the SNES music.

And yeah, the Guitar for the Finale is superb.

Distant Worlds issue is that they slowed down the Tempo way too much. It lacks Power and Attack IMO.
The Mix is horrible also IMO, the Organ barely can be listened.
The best of Distant Worlds is the Choir Section and the Brass.

I thought the mix was just fine. I do agree, some of the power was lost because of the slowed down tempo, but I guess I have a bias for orchestral versions.

i hated the third act. electric insturments? what the flying FUCK?

then again, i got accostumed to the godly remix from sega fantasy 6. granted it had modern drums and cimbals, but come on, epic organ is fucking epic.

@Nostalgia gamer

Are you still saying you do not like arrangements of "Dancing Mad" that include post-1800 instruments? Granted all of the instruments are synths in their SNES format, but let's look at what Nobuo intended the instruments to be.... Listen to the fourth movement of the original and tell me you do not hear a drum kit, an electric guitar, and bass guitar. Not only that, but the rest of the FF6 soundtrack has tons of post-1800 instruments.

Depends on the arrangements.

Some artists on youtube did remixes,and one of them made the second half of the first verse into a brazillian beat.
It didn't work at all,because it didn't sound threatening at all,instead it sounded like something you would dance to.

I am merely worried that some instrumentations may cause whatever symbolism the music has to be lost.
I am also a realist:I realize that listening to a musical piece outside a game and inside a game can change the way things work.
What pieces work in concert may not work in the game,and vice versa.Live instruments certainly do sound better than the grainy quality of the snes,and the live orchestra sounds great,but my point was:While experimenting,be careful not to completely change its meaning by altering it so much,that it loses whatever made it great in the first place.

You're right. Maybe I'm a little late for writing this but in my point of view, the first part is about Kefka's time in the empire, the second is about his betrayal (when you hear the 'oh oh oh' part, it sounds like uh oh for Gestahl), the first half of the third part's theme is 'destroying the world and loving it' until people that sounds like self-help books come when the second half plays. And the last part sounds like their fight. The guitar solo really finishes it because it sounds like a dying Kefka reminiscing about his evil deeds and when it's finished, you hear the organ again and then nothing and nothing is what happens when you die.