2012 - Alexander Complete Score (� 2012 Cimmerian Records - CRCD013) [Hi res MP3 sources decoded to WAV unfortunately---posted that for reference on the thread]

As pointed out by gururu (http://forums.ffshrine.org/member.php?u=251706) this should most likely be a 320kbps decode to WAV.

I did not have the time to check if all the cues are indeed edits off the official and the Academy promo since I am currently restoring three lost Alexander boots. And if gururu is right about the sources it can be redone in lossless format.
But I need some time to make it properly. I am sort of remaking some better edits for what arrived to us as:

2004 - Alexander - The Complete Score (mixed 128kbps MP3's and WMA's with the wrongest tagging ever)
2004 - Alexander - The Lost Tracks [a sort of rehash of the previous release anyway] (mixed 128kbps MP3's and WMA's with wrongest tagging ever)
2009 - Alexander [Expanded Score]-Lost Scores (OGG format)
2011 - Alexander [Storm Records] (MP3)

I cannot be sure if what made it to us is the actual content of the releases in question. But I did try to salvage what I am having for future reference. So expect a definitely better pretend-version of the above boots in the next posts! :)

Oh, by the way: The Francesco Andromeda boot is just another fake WAV that is currently being sold on eBuy... I did upload that a while ago and took it down for that very same reason.
Thanks for trying. Some might share a better version one day hopefully.

Some collectors I met during the years did have the original WAV's and even provided snippets of audio to confirm that they were having the real deal... but they might want to bring them in their coffins perhaps... So I cannot blame them really. Plenty of celestial music to listen to in the afterlife! Not sure if the top people there will allow for iPod's and smartphones though... :)

Well I�m pleased to have it anyway. If releases are not shared then only the privileged few even get to discover whether something is worth having or not. I do of course understand the drive to get 'perfect' copies of music but in my experience it is very difficult to know the absolute quality of anything that is shared. Files can be converted, re-converted, remastered, even missing material/frequencies can be replaced by modern software, so there is never any guarantee of what you are getting. Even official CDs have been released which are not properly mastered or have been remastered to the detriment of original quality. Given that many of Vangelis's soundtracks can sound rather rough, even on Blu-Rays, due to all the different processes between original studio recording and commercial duplication, I have learnt to be appreciative of anything I can get hold of!
If others do have other Andromedas, or other rare bootlegs, please don�t let the fact that they might be less than 'perfect' put you off sharing because there are many genuine Vangelis fans who would be glad to hear them if only to compare them with what they already have. Spreading knowledge of what exactly is out there beyond the few who get privileged access can only be a good thing and it helps to prevent people paying large sums for dodgy physical bootlegs.

Thanks Steve, has anyone got the 'fake artwork' to go with Francesco please ?

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2012 - Alexander Complete Score (� 2012 Cimmerian Records - CRCD013) [Hi res MP3 sources decoded to WAV unfortunately---posted that for reference on the thread]

As pointed out by gururu (http://forums.ffshrine.org/member.php?u=251706) this should most likely be a 320kbps decode to WAV.

I did not have the time to check if all the cues are indeed edits off the official and the Academy promo since I am currently restoring three lost Alexander boots. And if gururu is right about the sources it can be redone in lossless format.
But I need some time to make it properly. I am sort of remaking some better edits for what arrived to us as:

2004 - Alexander - The Complete Score (mixed 128kbps MP3's and WMA's with the wrongest tagging ever)
2004 - Alexander - The Lost Tracks [a sort of rehash of the previous release anyway] (mixed 128kbps MP3's and WMA's with wrongest tagging ever)
2009 - Alexander [Expanded Score]-Lost Scores (OGG format)
2011 - Alexander [Storm Records] (MP3)

I cannot be sure if what made it to us is the actual content of the releases in question. But I did try to salvage what I am having for future reference. So expect a definitely better pretend-version of the above boots in the next posts! :)

Oh, by the way: The Francesco Andromeda boot is just another fake WAV that is currently being sold on eBuy... I did upload that a while ago and took it down for that very same reason.
Thanks for trying. Some might share a better version one day hopefully.

Some collectors I met during the years did have the original WAV's and even provided snippets of audio to confirm that they were having the real deal... but they might want to bring them in their coffins perhaps... So I cannot blame them really. Plenty of celestial music to listen to in the afterlife! Not sure if the top people there will allow for iPod's and smartphones though... :)

Very true, but what they don't know is there aren't any charging points lol :)

Oh, by the way: The Francesco Andromeda boot is just another fake WAV that is currently being sold on eBuy... I did upload that a while ago and took it down for that very same reason.
Thanks for trying. Some might share a better version one day hopefully.


I have no idea of the origin who long ago passed me the FLAC, I pulled the covers, it seemed odd that he provided, it's me that I put in the wrong place.

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https://mega.nz/#!TlozRQiQ!ruoYBPoamNdbK5us7_QJaS6IQImUoMUn-ytmVDbqN1A

According to Antas there are 2-3 versions of the Andromeda bootleg. The first is a single disc AM0102 and the second/third ones AM0103 and AM0103B are expanded 2 disc versions. The second one had a glitch which I believe was put right on the third one.
This download is a 2 disc version but haven’t had time to properly investigate it yet.

Indeed : Andromeda has released both versions (AM102 & AM103) on 2002 (at the same date). The AM103 version (I mean original copy) is definitely impossible to find.
Andromeda has re-released a new version of the AM103 (AM103B) last year, but in a very few quantity (20 copies in black CD). artwork is almost the same except on the CD. I think they are still available for collectors (in private circles).

... in my experience it is very difficult to know the absolute quality of anything that is shared. Files can be converted, re-converted, remastered, even missing material/frequencies can be replaced by modern software, so there is never any guarantee of what you are getting.

It might get tricky to determinate a source if you are using a never heard 320 kbps MP3... but when you are having the original CD of one of the sources used then the difference will show on any spectrum. AccurateRip might come in handy when understanding if your cd has issues or not simply comparing the CRC's of a given section of the TOC data on the CD. It did save my day plenty of times. And when it could not help, I did get a different copy of the same CD to test those CRC's.
But it might not be easy for most people perhaps.

Mmmhhhmmm... I'm afraid missing material/frequencies cannot be satisfactorily replaced by modern software. Repaired sometimes. But once you trim the frequencies to a WAV file and you are left with an MP3 there's no turning back with any software.

Having said that both the original BR Esper release and the BR 20th Anniversary Edition did use some MP3's edited along the WAV sources. :)

There are two versions of "Memoires 7" for example. Both have perfect covers. They are simply identical. One is just a MP3 burned on disc. For most collectors they are both worth 100 euros each. But one is just a clever replica made before forums like this were around. And they were paid the same money.

Some bands I met at some point had damaged DAT masters and cd backups. Especially the old CDr's like the ones that most of the initial Vangelis private releases were pressed onto.
They ended up using the MP3 versions they had sent out to friends hopefully. But that's different.

SO IF YOU OWN ANY OF THOSE PLEASE DO MAKE SAFETY COPIES. DAT tapes might lose sync over the years. CDr's might lose some data if not burned properly or being of a good brand.


If others do have other Andromedas, or other rare bootlegs, please don’t let the fact that they might be less than 'perfect' put you off sharing because there are many genuine Vangelis fans who would be glad to hear them if only to compare them with what they already have. Spreading knowledge of what exactly is out there beyond the few who get privileged access can only be a good thing and it helps to prevent people paying large sums for dodgy physical bootlegs.

Most of those bootlegs come from the low quality MP3's shared long ago when bandwidth was indeed an issue. But do keep posting 'em! A nice surprise might pop out the hat for a chance! :)

Granted that no audio software (yet!) can make a WAV quality file from a lossy file, but I personally have used it to make some amazing improvements. Yes they are repairs, but when you only have poor quality audio to start with any improvement is worth it. Actually the more general point I was trying to make is that audio file quality is a very complicated issue and is only partly represented by a spectrogram.
The quality of any audio starts off with how well it was recorded/captured and can never be bettered after that. Thereafter it is dependent on mixing, mastering and duplication. All of these processes affect the audio, various artistic and technical choices have to made (and sometimes compromises), and this is only up to the official commercial release. Once this and unofficial material gets into the hands of fans who add their own manipulations, the audio can be some way from the original intention. Then there is the issue of whether most people can actually hear and appreciate higher resolution audio even if the difference is clearly shown by a spectrogram.
It is natural to feel that we want the best quality audio we can get but I think it is often helpful to remember that in the real world 'pristine audio' is a bit of a fallacy and not necessarily something we can have. This is certainly the case when you listen to shared audio coming from a mysterious source with no trusted information.
However, for me the main thing is being able to hear music by my favourite composers/performers in satisfactory quality, rather than not having access to that music at all. Not everyone is an audiophile, especially in 2019 when the majority of people are very happy listening to music files that are 256 Kbps or worse, and that�s for recordings using the latest studio technology. Many of Vangelis's pre-80s recordings and soundtracks are often lacking in sound quality compared with more modern recordings, some even in mono, but musically they still have that Vangelis magic and that is a very positive thing!

... but when you only have poor quality audio to start with any improvement is worth it.

That's what people in forums like this usually do... until they get to the point of precisely exchange the exact sources for the better ones they might have got during the years.
Once I was going to fix the only 128 kbps version of Memories 4 we had since for a rip of the original I was asked for the rarest soundtracks masters ever in exchange. If you ask 'me' Vangelis or John Williams masters I cannot possibly have them.
Someone posting here was kind enough to share his original copy and I went on working onto different things that ended up around these pages.


However, for me the main thing is being able to hear music by my favorite composers/performers in satisfactory quality, rather than not having access to that music at all.

What I was referring to was that in listening to Vangelis music at the given same quality, you prefer doing it in the original MP3 version running at 128 kbps (about 70 megabytes in size) or in a WAV box containing the 128kbps version (about 500 megabytes in size)! But yes. I do agree about that of course. :)


Many of Vangelis's pre-80s recordings and soundtracks are often lacking in sound quality compared with more modern recordings, some even in mono, but musically they still have that Vangelis magic and that is a very positive thing!

What has leaked to us often lacking in sound quality, it is still available as hi quality master tapes somewhere. But, unfortunately for us, it was chose to keep it like that. :)

For Sirius and anyone else interested, I have just found these Francesco Andromeda inserts:

https://mega.nz/#!UU5WSSQT!EwfcgFVkhoYl_ul5NwhA_wLQ_DJfKb5afHKmhLMkUrw

Vangelis - Francesco - The Complete Edition [� 2002 Andromeda Music - AM0103] (https://mega.nz/#!IgEFiCST!hCigGgnIor753_kK3vssr_5UQ4SbplguujTK265jStU)



Disc 1

1. Main Titles 2.01
2. Assisi 1226 1.13
3. The Beginnings Of Francesco 2.45
4. Leaving All 0.54
5. Winds Of Death 1.15
6. A Message Of Justice 2.31
7. Chiara's Charity 1.28
8. The Advenimient Of A Vocation 7.52
9. The Embraced Of A Different Life 1.01
10. The Life Of A Beggar 1.48
11. Tears For A Little Soul (Part I) 3.30
12. Flute Of Hope 1.09
13. Silence Of The Night 0.47
14. Blessed Be The Lord 2.17
15. Take The Cross And Follow Me 0.45
16. Sharing With The Poorest 2.10
17. The Meaning Of Fraternity 1.27
18. The Gift Of God 2.39
19. Another Son Of Charity 1.20
20. Tears For A Little Soul (Part II) 2.52

Disc 2

1. Chiara, Pilgrim Of The World 4.31
2. Prosecution To The New Faith 1.55
3. A Vow To God 1.33
4. Following The Footprints Of Christ 2.53
5. 'Novae Gratie Verbum' (The Word Of A New Grace) 3.39
6. Peace Is Everything 2.39
7. Blessed Are The Poors And Lepers 3.00
8. Bells Of Assisi 2.39
9. Pray For Us 3.01
10. The Rain Of Leper 1.15
11. The True Is In The Gospel 2.23
12. The Wind Of Eternity 4.13
13. A Soul Walking To Heaven 2.34
14. 'Deus Mihi Dixit' (God Spoke To Me) 4.56
15. The Doors Of Heaven 1.16
16. End Titles 7.27

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Informations : (http://www.vangelis-rarities.com/index.php?methode=methode1&id=57)

Original Music Composed and Performed by Vangelis in 1989.
This is a special limited edition release and is not licensed for public sale.
Copyright 01-2002 Andromeda Music Ltd. All rights reserved.
This version contains minor Fx but no dialog.

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Storyline : (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097383/)


Francesco (1989) - Director: Liliana Cavani

The life of St. Francis of Assisi (1181-1226) as related by followers who gather after his death to tell stories so that Leone can record them: a privileged and virile youth, a prisoner of war, an heir who turns away from his father and gives all to the poor, a beggar for others, and an inspiration to friends who accept the Gospels' life of poverty. He seeks the Pope's blessing, and he endures persecution at the hands of the family of Chiara Offreduccio (1194-1253), who becomes St. Clare. Many join the order he has established and then rebel at his expectations. In near despair - and ill - he writes a Rule to take to the Pope; then, the Lord sends him a message. He dies smiling.

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Notes :

This double AM0103 is a more limited and expanded version of the single AM0102 release. None of those 50 collectors ever shared a better encoding of it.
On the black market copies are easy to obtain at quite affordable prices, but the majority of them comes from the best encode ever shared. Period.
It is hard to tell a lossy cd when the source must have been not so good to start with and nothing that good so to compare with anyway.

Glitches can be cured sometimes, but it will make only sense on the original.

Be responsible in giving back what you had for free. Consider sharing back what was shared of old if you care. We are only left with what we share eventually. The more accurately (read properly) the better for the peers-to-be.

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For Sirius and anyone else interested, I have just found these Francesco Andromeda inserts:

https://mega.nz/#!UU5WSSQT!EwfcgFVkhoYl_ul5NwhA_wLQ_DJfKb5afHKmhLMkUrw

Many thanks Steve, much appreciated as always of course :)

Here's the version of AM0103 that I got back in 2012. FLAC+log+cue, with art and other stuff. Have always assumed it's legit lossless. Please advise.
� https://www99.zippyshare.com/v/cmOrA0MP/file.html

I'm afraid that link is not working for me. I'm getting a 403 Forbidden.

Here's the version of AM0103 that I got back in 2012. FLAC+log+cue, with art and other stuff. Have always assumed it's legit lossless. Please advise.
• https://www99.zippyshare.com/v/cmOrA0MP/file.html

Thanks for this but ISP's in UK block Zippy :(

To me for the same result, 403 Forbidden

Here's the version of AM0103 that I got back in 2012. FLAC+log+cue, with art and other stuff. Have always assumed it's legit lossless. Please advise.
� https://www99.zippyshare.com/v/cmOrA0MP/file.html

whoop - would you be willing to upload to Mega? Thanks.

Folks, you can use a proxy service/website to bypass the block. There's no need to re-upload.

Folks, you can use a proxy service/website to bypass the block. There's no need to re-upload.

What about those of us who don't know how to use a proxy service/website? If whoop is not willing to re-upload then maybe someone who does know how would be kind enough to re-upload to Mega or another service that isn't blocked?

What about those of us who don't know how to use a proxy service/website? If whoop is not willing to re-upload then maybe someone who does know how would be kind enough to re-upload to Mega or another service that isn't blocked?
Go here (https://www.proxysite.com/). Paste the Zippyshare link into the text-field where you can see "Enter Url", then click on the "Go" button. The Zippy page should load, but pay attention now: on the top of the page there will be some kind of ProxySite toolbar, too, make sure to uncheck Allow Cookies, then start the download from Zippy.

There are other websites that can allow you to do this sort of thing, but here you go.

Go here (https://www.proxysite.com/). Paste the Zippyshare link into the text-field where you can see "Enter Url", then click on the "Go" button. The Zippy page should load, but pay attention now: on the top of the page there will be some kind of ProxySite toolbar, too, make sure to uncheck Allow Cookies, then start the download from Zippy.

There are other websites that can allow you to do this sort of thing, but here you go.

I appreciate the reply but it won't download without me giving it permission to install browser extensions and I don't install anything I don't fully trust. Any other way that doesn't involve installing anything? Thanks.

I appreciate the reply but it won't download without me giving it permission to install browser extensions and I don't install anything I don't fully trust. Any other way that doesn't involve installing anything? Thanks.
Those are ads/pop-ups that would originally open on Zippyshare itself, it has almost nothing to do with the proxy website. Sadly, using a proxy service often means you don't get the protection granted by pop-up+ad-blockers you may have installed in your Web browser.

https://workupload.com/file/2hbaPESa

For the record, Zippy also started blocking Italian ISP's months ago.

Those are ads/pop-ups that would originally open on Zippyshare itself, it has almost nothing to do with the proxy website. Sadly, using a proxy service often means you don't get the protection granted by pop-up+ad-blockers you may have installed in your Web browser.

https://workupload.com/file/2hbaPESa

For the record, Zippy also started blocking Italian ISP's months ago.

Leon,
Ok, thanks so much for the explanation and especially the link. Much appreciated!

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Here's the version of AM0103 that I got back in 2012. FLAC+log+cue, with art and other stuff. Have always assumed it's legit lossless. Please advise.
� https://www99.zippyshare.com/v/cmOrA0MP/file.html

whoop
Unfortunately the files are exactly the same as the ones Ophonax has so they are definitely not lossless.

Unfortunately the files are exactly the same as the ones Ophonax has so they are definitely not lossless.

Confirmed. Approx. 128kbps.

DELETED

File A w/ 16kbps cutoff (aka 128):

(https://imgur.com/6pppLyc)

File B w/ 20.5 cutoff (aka 320):

(https://imgur.com/DKKnN2R)

The source itself is crap with low dynamics, so it isn't surprising the 128 is practically indistinguishable from the 320—there isn't anything in the source above 16kbps a 320 transcode would improve upon a standard 128 transcode.

The only difference between the two is that Ex.B is nearly 3db louder.

File A w/ 16kbps cutoff (aka 128):

(https://imgur.com/6pppLyc)

File B w/ 20.5 cutoff (aka 320):

(https://imgur.com/DKKnN2R)

The source itself is crap with low dynamics, so it isn't surprising the 128 is practically indistinguishable from the 320�there isn't anything in the source above 16kbps a 320 transcode would improve upon a standard 128 transcode.

The only difference between the two is that Ex.B is nearly 3db louder.

Interesting gururu.
Just to say that both files have the same integrated loudness of -14 LUFS, a loudness standard used by Spotify and others.

"One of these things is not like the other…"

Ex. A:
(https://imgur.com/3814BsK)

Ex. B:
(https://imgur.com/zi1IxQ5)

gururu,
Of course there is a difference between the two files - there wouldn�t be any point to this experiment if they were the same. File B looks different because it has larger peaks which is a clue to its source. But perceived loudness doesn't depend on peaks so waveform displays can be misleading, just as spectrograms can be misleading regarding perceived quality. I did say this experiment is about which file sounds better. Forget about what your eyes see, as this is music you need to use your ears!

No argument intended. Just providing additional visual reference.

gururu,
I wasn�t having a go at you and I really do appreciate the fact that you have taken time to provide input. It's just that the point I was trying to make was dependent on listening rather than analysing. Many thanks anyway.

I received this version, "Francesco complete edition 2 CDs" in FLAC.
I don't know if it's a true FLAC or FLAC obtained from another source, i don't have the tools to check it. I not have front and back cover.

LINK REMOVED. REASON: FAKE WAV (https://mega.nz/#F!fpZUkAja)


Here's the version of AM0103 that I got back in 2012. FLAC+log+cue, with art and other stuff. Have always assumed it's legit lossless. Please advise.
LINK REMOVED. REASON: MP3 TO WAV (https://www99.zippyshare.com/v/cmOrA0MP/file.html)


LINK REMOVED. REASON: ALREADY NUKED (https://workupload.com/file/2hbaPESa)

A part of me would kindly ask to edit the links away (the way I did at least) since "that" particular fake FLAC version clearly originates off the one it was eventually posted here (Thread 94478) to quit the confusion and also because it was the source used to make the bootleg sold on eBuy and that was nuked for a reason.
I would also kindly advice the ones who download it to label that as NUKED/FAKE WAV/MP3 TO WAV. Take your pick at that. Do take care to add the one recently posted in the very same folder though.
Then it is up to you all. If ever in doubt, do exchange a PM with the people who might surely help first. I trust you got the message! :)


For those who are interested in audio quality, I have setup a little experiment.
This download link will give you two versions of the Francesco Main Titles taken from two different sources. Both are FLAC files with exactly the same sample rate, bit depth, integrated loudness, etc. (apart from the processing to make them comparable no other processing has been applied by me). This means that both are on a level playing field and you can judge accordingly - which one would you keep out the two because it sounds better, A or B?
If enough people bother to take part the results should be interesting!

https://mega.nz/#!BNgHTIrb!ngyh-zrTBuU0o1K2AocH0hKULr9XiQvcq8lHzN4g4fw

Andromeda version of "Francesco's Main Titles" Test B runs at a different speed (faster) compared to the version of Test A. Music is the same of course, but the sources are different. Test B has a fuller spectrum and you can tell from the 16+ dB extra detail on the upper frequencies. Test B does present a more 6+ dB spectrum on the mid frequencies though. I could not locate Test A source, so I am afraid I will have to keep both until a better encode will surface! :)

Test A source by the way?

And now some good news and a relatively bad one. I was able to locate all the sources for the Francesco and Alexander bootlegs. So all of the existing boots about the subject can be re-made at infinitely better quality. Like we did with Blade Runner. Bad news is that I am currently busy in everything life and it will take me some time before I can get back at it and eventually making the happiness of all the bootleg sellers in posting the FLAC's of that!

OH... DO FEEL FREE TO SEND A LINK TO THE UNCOMPRESSED DISC IMAGES OF ANY DVD VERSIONS YOU MIGHT BE HAVING IF YOU WISH. IT MIGHT DEFINITELY HELP. I TRUST YOU WILL KNOW HOW TO DO THAT! ;)


Alexander Part II - Unreleased Music [VANCD - 032]
Alexander Expanded Score [CD65251]
Alexander The Lost Tracks [OWM 2004-01]
Alexander The Complete Score [255 861-3]
Alexander Promotional Score [SK 92943]
Alexander [Storm Records]
Alexander (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) [SK 93610]
Alexander (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) [SK 92942]
Alexander - Academy Promo Score

I was able to locate all the sources for the Francesco and Alexander bootlegs.

Forgive me but how on earth did you suddenly locate all these sources, or am I forbidden to ask?

Forgive me but how on earth did you suddenly locate all these sources, or am I forbidden to ask?

Someone posting on this very forum kindly sent a link to the 5.1 audio streams of both "Francesco" (Italian) and "Alexander" (French and English theatrical cut). And there the music was. Hidden in the rear channels as it was in Blade Runner. :)
He cannot tell in which version of the DVD the 5.1 audio streams of "Francesco" were, since the one he always had does only have a 2.0 audio stream for example. But I am assured somewhere there should be a version having the 5.1 audio he got.
Alexander audio steams can be found on any DVD or Blu-ray disc widely available on the market. I was advised to investigate further, just in case a cleaner version might be present on a different language edition rather than the English one.

If anyone having access to any version different than the ones I was sent and would care to help please send a PM. :)

Someone posting on this very forum kindly sent a link to the 5.1 audio streams of both "Francesco" (Italian) and "Alexander" (French and English theatrical cut). And there the music was. Hidden in the rear channels as it was in Blade Runner. :)
He cannot tell in which version of the DVD the 5.1 audio streams of "Francesco" were, since the one he always had does only have a 2.0 audio stream for example. But I am assured somewhere there should be a version having the 5.1 audio he got.
Alexander audio steams can be found on any DVD or Blu-ray disc widely available on the market. I was advised to investigate further, just in case a cleaner version might be present on a different language edition rather than the English one.

If anyone having access to any version different than the ones I was sent and would care to help please send a PM. :)

Ok, thanks for that. So the audio will be from video streams from rear channels - I take it they will still include some sound effects then?

I take it they will still include some sound effects then?

I've ripped Alexander myself to investigate the front and rear channels (can't recall from which iteration of the film) and neither was free of sfx.

Ok, thanks for that. So the audio will be from video streams from rear channels - I take it they will still include some sound effects then?

I'm afraid both "Francesco" and "Alexander" do include sound effects. I had the time to have a quick 'look' at "Francesco" and I can confirm that dialogue is only present on the center channel. Sound effects are present in all channels but can be rendered less intrusive via automation I trust. As you will notice it is surprisingly similar to the Andromeda frequency content somehow! ;)

He cannot tell in which version of the DVD the 5.1 audio streams of "Francesco" were, since the one he always had does only have a 2.0 audio stream for example. But I am assured somewhere there should be a version having the 5.1 audio he got.

The DVD released by Istituto Luce contains the Italian 5.1 track.

As a side note, Film Movement released the 133-minute version of the film on Blu-ray, and that contains an English 5.1 track.

Can anyone please have the front and back covers of the following albums:
Memoires 8 - L'Arbre de Vie (FIC 1999),
Memoires 9 - The Man and is Music (FIC 2000),
Memoires 10 - set 3cd (FIC 2001),
Memoires 11 -Missing Complete Score (FIC 2001)
Thanks a lot in advance

Can anyone please have the front and back covers of the following albums:
Memoires 8 - L'Arbre de Vie (FIC 1999),
Memoires 9 - The Man and is Music (FIC 2000),
Memoires 10 - set 3cd (FIC 2001),
Memoires 11 -Missing Complete Score (FIC 2001)
Thanks a lot in advance

There are some reworks, but I have never seen an original scan floating here... except Missing. That I should have someplace. :)


The DVD released by Istituto Luce contains the Italian 5.1 track.

As a side note, Film Movement released the 133-minute version of the film on Blu-ray, and that contains an English 5.1 track.

Most of the versions only have the 2.0 track. Both of the versions you are referring to are out of print and available as online rent. I was able to track down the 120 min Monolith Video Polish version that has a 5.1 English track and the Film Movement DVD mainly sold in US. But that will obviously run slower compared to PAL and only has Italian. Let's see how it turns. :)

Can anyone please have the front and back covers of the following albums:
Memoires 8 - L'Arbre de Vie (FIC 1999),
Memoires 9 - The Man and is Music (FIC 2000),
Memoires 10 - set 3cd (FIC 2001),
Memoires 11 -Missing Complete Score (FIC 2001)
Thanks a lot in advance

Hi Ophonax,
I am not sure if I have these but will check later and let you know.

Can anyone please have the front and back covers of the following albums:
Memoires 8 - L'Arbre de Vie (FIC 1999),
Memoires 9 - The Man and is Music (FIC 2000),
Memoires 10 - set 3cd (FIC 2001),
Memoires 11 -Missing Complete Score (FIC 2001)
Thanks a lot in advance

Ophonax,
As promised, I have had a good look through my image collection but unfortunately I only have these in small sizes or poor quality. Hopefully someone else will be able to help you.

And now some good news and a relatively bad one. I was able to locate all the sources for the Francesco and Alexander bootlegs. So all of the existing boots about the subject can be re-made at infinitely better quality. Like we did with Blade Runner. Bad news is that I am currently busy in everything life and it will take me some time before I can get back at it and eventually making the happiness of all the bootleg sellers in posting the FLAC's of that!


Thank you! Will be waiting for your "Alexander" with a great pleasure.
In my opinion, "Alexander" is great masterpiece, one of the best from Vangelis and one of my all time favorite soundtracks.
Theatrical cut of film presents cut-version of Vangelis' music. Complete version presents only in "Alexander: Revisited - The Final Cut".
I tried to make my own custom soundtrack for several times. Of course, there are SFX. But I know that 5.1 Surround and DTS audio tracks contains hidden pieces of sound without any SFX, only clear music - sometimes on Left and Right channels, sometimes on Left Surround and Right Surround.
For example: young Alexander and Philip talking about myths in the cave; Alexander and Hephaestion talking about Phobos before Gaugamela battle; Alexander reading Olympia's letter, etc.
But with or without SFX, "Alexander" is truly wonderful musical work.

Any chances for that release, friends? It's new from Andromeda Music.
http://www.vangelis-rarities.com/index.php?methode=methode1&id=232

Any chances for that release, friends? It's new from Andromeda Music.
http://www.vangelis-rarities.com/index.php?methode=methode1&id=232

Unfortunately, I suspect we've got a snowballs chance in hell of ever get any kosher Andromeda releases :(

Any chances for that release, friends? It's new from Andromeda Music.
http://www.vangelis-rarities.com/index.php?methode=methode1&id=232

As the only way of getting this, as with all Andromeda CDs, is finding the private circles where they are offered and making a payment, there is little chance of someone sharing it on here. Why should they share something they had to pay for and then give it away free?
But just because Andromeda creates a CD with flashy inserts doesn't mean that it is going to be so fantastic that we all have to covert it.
Unless whoever Andromeda is got hold of the original master tapes, which is extremely unlikely, this is just going to be his idea of what the soundtrack should be having taken raw sound channels from DVDs/Blu-Rays and made from them a stereo mix for a CDR package. He then wants financial reward for his work despite the music not being his to profit from.
As we have a fellow Vangelis enthusiast on here (DC) who has already offered to do all this work on the Alexander soundtrack and share it for free, why worry about Andromeda when all we need is a bit of patience.
My view is that all these CD 'bootlegs' are a concept that is now really out of date. Most people rip CDs and play from files anyway. Why do we even need them put on CDs in the first place? For some time internet storage space has been free or cheap, and sharing is easy. It seems to me that making a physical CD package is just a way of someone justifying making profit out of music they don�t own.
It is easy to put a version of commercially unavailable complete Vangelis scores on Mega or elsewhere, put the links on here and share with your fellow fans without having to make it a mystery or asking people to pay for it. I�ve done this, as have many others.
Isn�t it time to stop promoting and buying these physical bootlegs? Instead we can get together to produce our own best-quality digital versions, share them for free and then there will be no market for those who wish to personally profit from Vangelis's music.

SiriusBlack, slbvangelis - thanks for your answers.

Yes, slbvangelis, I'm totally agree with you. And about promoting and about such limited editions (that new "Alexander" - limited to 25), where is any profits here? Couple of people will buy it, listen and then it will be in history... Don't understand motivation.

In 2006 Storm Records made a very big work with Alexander's audio channels. As I know, that release contains all music from theatrical cut of motion picture, compiled in eight movements. That new variation contains nine parts, without bonus tracks. Storm's bootleg is longer than Andromeda's in almost twenty minutes.

I love "Alexander" soundtrack, it's part of my life. So, it is very interesting for me. What was the source? Theatrical cut or Complete Final cut? What does it mean "remixed and remastered"? Is it better than original Storm's version (that was very similar to my custom version, I tried to do), etc. Only interest.

I love "Alexander" soundtrack, it's part of my life. So, it is very interesting for me. What was the source? Theatrical cut or Complete Final cut? What does it mean "remixed and remastered"? Is it better than original Storm's version (that was very similar to my custom version, I tried to do), etc. Only interest.

I understand your interest completely but the thing is that with nearly all of these physical bootlegs there is little or no information about the sources used, how they were used and in fact any details about how the CD was produced. Even people who have bought it can only guess at the content by listening carefully, as without info from the person who created the mix it can only be guesswork.
Also, the person who made them is always anonymous because of the illegality issue and therefore there is no way of getting in touch and asking them. However, if someone puts something together and shares it on here there is usually more info available and of course you can always contact the person to ask questions.
As you say, with Alexander things are even more complicated because of the number of different versions of the film released, each with different edits of the original complete music. Therefore if we are to get a handle on exactly how complete a bootleg is we need to know far more information than just 'remastered and remixed' which tells us absolutely nothing.

I have the German DVD of the 1492 5.1 6ch :)

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I received this version, "Francesco complete edition 2 CDs" in FLAC.
I don't know if it's a true FLAC or FLAC obtained from another source, i don't have the tools to check it. I not have front and back cover.

https://mega.nz/#F!fpZUkAja

Thank you so much for this! :)

This just in:
• https://variety.com/2019/film/news/rutger-hauer-dead-dies-blade-runner-co-star-1203278050/

"Time... to die..."

And about promoting and about such limited editions (that new "Alexander" - limited to 25), where is any profits here? Couple of people will buy it, listen and then it will be in history... Don't understand motivation.

It's not exactly like that... Here we're talking about a limited number of collectors having something specifically tailored for their needs. Read a physical CD. It is not much the money you can make off the 25 copies that are being offered to a limited amount of people... it is the fact that 25 people are having it. That we cannot change. Happiness is being content with what you already have. :)

As far as I am concerned, as slbvangelis has already pointed out, the sources are all there.

With everything happening in between I just never bothered to check on sources and everything. When I did, everything was just there.


In 2006 Storm Records made a very big work with Alexander's audio channels. As I know, that release contains all music from theatrical cut of motion picture, compiled in eight movements. That new variation contains nine parts, without bonus tracks. Storm's bootleg is longer than Andromeda's in almost twenty minutes.

No. It does contains nine movements. I am having it in MP3 format. And that will be in the next post. The newer Storm version should just have different edits of the same movements (or better: a different variation of the same themes in which some themes are longer versions taken fronm the revisited cut). If the longer themes comes from the Final Cut of the movie I cannot tell. I am guessing so. But we can make something very similar I suspect. The blueprints for what we might expect are going to be posted next week.


What was the source? Theatrical cut or Complete Final cut? What does it mean "remixed and remastered"? Is it better than original Storm's version (that was very similar to my custom version, I tried to do), etc.

When you buy the revisited cut most Blu-rays editions will have the theatrical cut disc as a bonus disc. Some themes are more clean in one cut, others in the other cut. So my guess is that it will be a combinations of the two. Again. We do have both versions. Feel free to send a PM if you wish to have the sources.
Of course it will be remastered! As for everything Vangelis of course! "...remastered and remixed version from Andromeda & Storms Records" versions if you need to know. :)

Will it be sounding better than the 2006 version? As better as "The Dark Side Of The Moon" will going to sound with every remaster I bet! ;)

Will it be sounding better than the 2006 version? As better as "The Dark Side Of The Moon" will going to sound with every remaster I bet! ;)

Well said DC!

No. It does contains nine movements. I am having it in MP3 format. And that will be in the next post. The newer Storm version should just have different edits of the same movements (or better: a different variation of the same themes in which some themes are longer versions taken fronm the revisited cut). If the longer themes comes from the Final Cut of the movie I cannot tell. I am guessing so. But we can make something very similar I suspect. The blueprints for what we might expect are going to be posted next week.

I know about nine movements, the last track is bonus, alternate cut of Gaugamela. I mean physical motion picture score.
I received a letter from friend, about new Andromeda release. It is original Storm Records without loud SFX moments, source is the same.
So, it is Theatrical cut, once more and again. :)

They all comes from the Blu-Ray I am guessing... you can make the SFX quieter... but the sources is that.

Anyone have Cavafy by Vangelis? I am looking for it for a long time. Thank you

Anyone have "Cr�puscule Des Ombres" movie to share don't mind video format but possibly with English subs if it's not in English language. Can't get it anywhere not torrent, nowhere !?

hello. dadadacicici and everyone.

i watched BLADE RUNNER at the movie theater for the first time!
i just, i almost cryed just watched ladd company logo on the huge screen.

here japan, only 2 weeks Sep 6th - 19th 2019 right now
BLADE RUNNER final cut on the IMAX screen.

this was my dream.

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i can't insert images...so links

�Blade Runner Final Cut� was first released in Japan at IMAX.
https://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1197691.html

i watched BLADE RUNNER at the movie theater for the first time!
i just, i almost cryed just watched ladd company logo on the huge screen.

here japan, only 2 weeks Sep 6th - 19th 2019 right now
BLADE RUNNER final cut on the IMAX screen.

When you watch it on a bigger screen there is something that really comes to life with this particular movie... though the same can be said for several other good movies out there...

I think in "very good" movie theaters (like IMAX for example) you can enjoy all the nuances of the camera shots and the visual efx... granted you are not getting the kids next to you crunching loudly ear of corn!

I also went some years ago and it was really a nice experience! Except for the kids crunching and occasionally exchanging comments... when they stated that the movie was from 1985 I really had to speak up my bit of knowledge about the actual date! Then they shut up anyway! :)

https://youtu.be/-fu7jN2_2pE?t=177

Los Angeles November, 2019

https://mega.nz/fm/c08z1KKS

comparto con vosotros esta version de Cavafy, espero que os guste

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https://mega.nz/fm/x00HgYZb
y otro m�s, buenas noches, en este caso de rarezas de vangelis aunque muchos temas ya est�n en otros discos

https://mega.nz/fm/c08z1KKS

comparto con vosotros esta version de Cavafy, espero que os guste

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https://mega.nz/fm/x00HgYZb
y otro m�s, buenas noches, en este caso de rarezas de vangelis aunque muchos temas ya est�n en otros discos

No se cual es la razon, pero no puedo tener acceso al link.

https://mega.nz/fm/c08z1KKS

comparto con vosotros esta version de Cavafy, espero que os guste

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https://mega.nz/fm/x00HgYZb
y otro m�s, buenas noches, en este caso de rarezas de vangelis aunque muchos temas ya est�n en otros discos

Hi,
Your Mega links are incorrect. Please make sure you obtain a full link that includes the file and the related password.
Steve

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https://youtu.be/-fu7jN2_2pE?t=177

Los Angeles November, 2019

So where are all the flying cars, off world colonies, replicants etc.?
Mind you, perhaps it�s good that none of those things have actually materialised. The world has enough problems to deal with as it is!

https://mega.nz/#F!thVgxaKZ!nNzB7v10bz4bKm2mOf31BQ enlace Cavafy
https://mega.nz/#F!58VCXKKT!IbpPMVR9egoHno6pKbrpzQ enlace High In The Sky

Creo que ahora si, lo siento soy muy torpe con esto :)

https://mega.nz/#F!thVgxaKZ!nNzB7v10bz4bKm2mOf31BQ enlace Cavafy
https://mega.nz/#F!58VCXKKT!IbpPMVR9egoHno6pKbrpzQ enlace High In The Sky

Creo que ahora si, lo siento soy muy torpe con esto :)

Many thanks for these two.