Fans of Basil Pouledoris� scores to Arnold Schwarzenegger�s Conan the Barbarian (1982) and Conan the Destroyer (1984) had a reason to be excited when the Tadlow label recorded the City of Prague Philharmonic performing the complete score to each film (the first score has already been released, the second is forthcoming). The late composer had expressed disappointment with the original film recordings (particularly that of Destroyer), and his family participated in the release in full. Plus, with the persistent notion that the original master recordings were missing from Universal�s vaults, this new recording was very likely the most complete performance fans would hear.

Imagine the surprise, then, when Intrada�s Roger Feigelson announced on Monday that not only were the masters not lost, but were being utilized for new CD presentations of the score! (The original Conan scores were released on LP by MCA Records released on CD by Varese Sarabande in 1992.)Label honcho Douglass Fake further confirmed matters, reporting that the original 24-track masters boasted material never heard in the finished film. While there�s certainly room for debate over which set is most worth your money (fan consensus seems to be in favor of Tadlow�s impending Destroyer re-recording over the original film score, which Pouledoris all but disowned), our hats are certainly off to Intrada for making two of the composer�s most popular scores available as they were originally recorded.

While neither title has a release date set, Conan the Barbarian is expected to be added to the label�s unlimited MAF collection, with a limited Destroyer expected to follow.

For non-score fans, it is worth noting Fake�s comments when an Intrada forum poster suggested a 5.1 surround mix from the Conan elements:

I must admit the multi-channel CD around our parts is pretty much a dead animal. I realize my view comes from just our narrow little corner of the movie music world but � at least for Intrada � the complaints about the audio quality of Varese�s THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY far outweighed any compliments it received. I don�t recall any major feedback on TIMELINE but during that era we sure got a lot of comments from customers saying they preferred to listen to music in a two-channel stereo format rather than anything multi-channeled. We recorded JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS in the Genex 5.1 format (as well as a live two-track format) with the plans to do a multi-channel release and found very limited interest at the time. The economics vs. the potentially dismal sales prospects made our decision process simple. I�m just not convinced there�s an audience willing to support the extreme finances of mixing, mastering and manufacturing a multi-channel disc for either of the two CONAN scores. I�m guessing people would prefer the efforts be made to produce the best possible stereo CD, then if the expenses warrant it, include alternate takes, perhaps a rehearsal of the main title or some of the battle music, maybe some mixes without the chorus and so forth instead. But keep in mind� I don�t know. I just work here.



let the frenzy begin....

I don't know what to say so I can't believe it. Thanks very much for the info !

There shall be...no...frenzies. Seriously, no sense getting worked up until release dates are even announced, yea?

There shall be...no...frenzies. Seriously, no sense getting worked up until release dates are even announced, yea?
Agreed and besides it's no news really.....

There shall be...no...frenzies. Seriously, no sense getting worked up until release dates are even announced, yea?

yeeesss....master :|

Yeah, 5.1 is not a major market. Score alone is not a major market.
So the prospects for multichannel in score, while it has its fanbase, is extremely risky.
That, and I think most people don't want to bother with a proper setup.
For the multichannel releases I see around the internet, the most popular comments are "how do i play this?" "how do i burn this to cd?" "why is there a static noise?"
The technology for multichannel and the delivery is quite complex. There's so many different approaches.
It depends if you want to play it on your hardware/stand-alone players connected to a receiver/amp, or if you want to play it on your computer/laptop.
Or both.
There's so many things you can do once you rip the multichannel audio. You can convert it to other mediums, based on the hardware/stand-alone players you have.
(whether it's xbox 360, ps3, dvd-a, dts-cd, multimedia player)
Heck, you can even split the tracks into individual channels (6 mono wav files, 1 for each channel) and do your own editing, just for fun.

All this really requires proper digital setups, otherwise everything gets downmixed to stereo.

I would, personally, enjoy a 5.1 mix of the soundtrack.
If it's discreet 5.1 and not upscaled from stereo source, that is.
I never really enjoy upscaled surround sound. You just can't hear the difference.

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Agreed and besides it's no news really.....

it's news to me...............................................

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There shall be...no...frenzies. Seriously, no sense getting worked up until release dates are even announced, yea?

my frenzy is mostly about the multichannel aspects ^__________________________________^

There's so many things you can do once you rip the multichannel audio. You can convert it to other mediums, based on the hardware/stand-alone players you have.
(whether it's xbox 360, ps3, dvd-a, dts-cd, multimedia player)
Heck, you can even split the tracks into individual channels (6 mono wav files, 1 for each channel) and do your own editing, just for fun.


Like David Lee Roth says...

If I die today, I die a marginally happier man.

;-;

Definitely worth the purchase in the future! Really looking forward to this. The Prague symphony version is great and can tide me over until the real masters are released.

If I die today, I die a marginally happier man.


Ah ? You don't want to wait and hear it before ?

it all sounds great and amasing but let's wait until they get released.

See, now this is why sharing here is fun...

The Prometheus release of the re-recorded Conan was cool--technical issues aside. Hearing the orchestration intended is great. So, the Destroyer will be fab too.

**But**, having the original score, as heard, is great too. But, There is no way I can get all of them.....

There is something very "right" about the original soundtrack recording. The performance is technically flawed but the recording is superb, and there's something about the rough, undernourished, underrehearsed orchestra that just works. Not that the recent re-recording doesn't work but, well, hearing the full Conan as conducted by Poledouris himself is going to be really, really wonderful.

I heard somewhere they made a mistake while mixing Conan the 1st time: the percussion were put behind when the orchestra had them ahead (or is that the contrary?).Don't know if that's true but it appears to be a happy mistake.

Anyway, I hope they won't kill the grain and relief like the good but too pristine Robocop.

I would rather take the re-recorded version as the Prague Philharmonic performed the score flawlessly. It might have had some slight mixing issues; however, I did not notice them. Then again, my speakers aren't the greatest. I look forward to their next release... Conan the Destroyer :).

I also liked the performance conducted by Poledouris himself. It adds to that feeling of ancient fantasy that the films dealt with. I was young and naive when the movies were released and I thought the recordings were done this way on purpose.

I'm not so sure I'll get the complete recording of Conan. I mean, the re-recording by Prague is fantastic, and it was Poledouris' original vision. Why would I want the complete of something when I have that which is the superior product?

Destroyer is a first day buy, of course.

I don't agree at all with "superior product" or "flawless" performance speaking of the Prague Philarmonic.

The original performance is barbaric indeed (and the releases not perfect)... The Prague's one sounds like a school work to me: they took no risk, there's no intentional in the music, no try to give it more "balls" when it needs (what they failed to try giving it back with loudness, digitally spoiling the sound).

I do believe what I read from this guy here in the wait: Intrada Soundtrack Forum • View topic - The Two Conans (http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4297) . We'll see the real difference then, and you'll beg for it ! :)

I don't agree at all with "superior product" or "flawless" performance speaking of the Prague Philarmonic.

The original performance is barbaric indeed (and the releases not perfect)... The Prague's one sounds like a school work to me: they took no risk, there's no intentional in the music, no try to give it more "balls" when it needs (what they failed to try give it back with loudness, digitally spoiling the sound).

I do believe what I read from this guy here in the wait: Intrada Soundtrack Forum • View topic - The Two Conans (http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4297) . We'll see the real difference then, and you'll beg for it ! :)



Would you prefer the version of a movie released to theaters in 4:3 (Pan and Scan) (because the theater couldnt handle it), over a superior 16:9 (Widescreen) version?

In the end, having the original soundtrack and the re-recording, will be like to have the best of both worlds, and both can be enjoyable to anyone that likes the score.

Would you prefer the version of a movie released to theaters in 4:3 (Pan and Scan) (because the theater couldnt handle it), over a superior 16:9 (Widescreen) version?


I'm asking you the same...

I would prefer widescreen.

and if the score was meant to be heard that way, but was dumbed down because of the limits of the orchestra, I would prefer the non-flubbed version.

I'm all open and waiting for a demonstration of these limits you're talking about for "Conan The Barbarian"'s performance by the Orchestra & Chorus of Santa Cecilia & the Radio Symphony of Rome... Final mixing differences aside of course.

Problem with the Prometheus release is that the guys in charge swear it was "what the composer exactly wanted" and most people take their word for absolute truth... However it appears now that this unsatisfaction was more concerning Conan The Destroyer (yeah, each year we learn a little more). This is a nice intend though, but what the composer would really say about this re-recording and the final product ?... I'm smiling when thinking about it for a few seconds.

The Prague performance is very nice; obnoxious mastering aside - but I have to agree with Arial; it's missing some of the energy and grit that made the original soundtrack recording so compelling. Perfection isn't everything; a flawed diamond is more valuable than a perfect diamond, because the flaw is unique. The original performance was technically not great, and the orchestra was inadequately sized, but what they lacked in technical proficiency and scale they more than made up for in effort and power. It was a very, very human performance. In the Prague recording, I find myself impressed by the orchestra - but in the original recording, I find myself impressed by the music.

Both have a right to exist, and both have their pros and cons. Let's not kill each other over which is better; the music is great - the original soundtrack recording and the Prague recording are interpretations of the score and both are valuable in their own way.

... You always put it far better than I do Tango. You totally get it speaking of "human performance". Ideal for a human adventure.

I've heard bits and pieces of the Prague Philarmonic version. From what I now, this orchestra is quite talented (If I remember correctly, Hisaishi worked with them on Princess Mononoke's symphonic suite, or regular score, can't remember). but the versions I heard lack one thing: a real backbone. It's technically very good, but it lack power, it lacks heart and it lacks that little something that makes you chill when you normally hear this score.

So I'll keep my original CD. And the bootleg I downloaded of the web. because the flaws of the original are what give it its "soul".

I've heard bits and pieces of the Prague Philarmonic version. From what I now, this orchestra is quite talented (If I remember correctly, Hisaishi worked with them on Princess Mononoke's symphonic suite, or regular score, can't remember). but the versions I heard lack one thing: a real backbone. It's technically very good, but it lack power, it lacks heart and it lacks that little something that makes you chill when you normally hear this score.

So I'll keep my original CD. And the bootleg I downloaded of the web. because the flaws of the original are what give it its "soul".

Why keep the original CD when you can have the complete score being released, remastered, and STILL the original recordings

...So I'll keep my original CD. And the bootleg I downloaded of the web...

... Tout � fait d' accord sur tout les points, notemment en ce qui concerne l' "�me" de l' original, but have you seen we're speaking about a new coming release of the original performance ?

edit: well, Faleel beat me there.

Hisaishi recorded the Mononoke Symphonic Suite with the Czech Philharmonic Orchestra, not the City of Prague Philharmonic. The original score was recorded in Tokyo with the Tokyo City Philharmonic. :)

Going after the new, remastered release of the original soundtrack recording for Conan is a no-brainer. Since they have located the master tapes at last (not to mention the original Varese album being short and sounding awful) you know this is going to be a massive upgrade. Finally, we will be able to fairly evaluate the original - frankly I think a lot of what people don't like about it is due to the uneven mix. Going back to the multitrack master and remixing the whole score from the ground up is going to be a revelatory experience, for sure.

Arial: Bonjour - vous etes Francais?

Arial: Bonjour - vous etes Francais?

... Euh... �a d�pend des jours !... :D.

Tango, going for the master tapes will be great but i hope the guys of intrada won't screw up in the production. Remember the wrong speed of King Solomon's Mines, and the recent Battlestar Galactica Vol.1, with the justification that the masters were recorded very "hot".

Hisaishi recorded the Mononoke Symphonic Suite with the Czech Philharmonic Orchestra, not the City of Prague Philharmonic. The original score was recorded in Tokyo with the Tokyo City Philharmonic. :)

Going after the new, remastered release of the original soundtrack recording for Conan is a no-brainer. Since they have located the master tapes at last (not to mention the original Varese album being short and sounding awful) you know this is going to be a massive upgrade. Finally, we will be able to fairly evaluate the original - frankly I think a lot of what people don't like about it is due to the uneven mix. Going back to the multitrack master and remixing the whole score from the ground up is going to be a revelatory experience, for sure.

Arial: Bonjour - vous etes Francais?

I stand corrected on the mononoke Hime thing :)

@ Faleel, Arial and others: My mistake. I had understood it was a re-recording. My bad ;). I too hope they won't f**k it up. I guess this will be one of those "Intrada signature special, out of stock in less than a day after being available...:notgood:. Ah well. I'll keep an eye for this. I might invest for once.

@ Arial: Et au fait, �a fait plaisir de croiser un compatriote !

I guess this will be one of those "Intrada signature special, out of stock in less than a day after being available...:notgood:. Ah well. I'll keep an eye for this. I might invest for once.

Thats because its so popular.

I'm going to check Intrada's website everyday, just to be sure I get one ! :p

Oh...300th post ! cool !:p

The King Solomon's Mines cockup was 14 years ago, and the Battlestar Galactica stuff wasn't their fault; the master tapes were indeed recorded hot. The sound quality problem on that release is entirely indicative of analogue tape distortion - I believe they transferred those tapes as well as was physically possible. I wish they'd been a little more straightforward about it (ie, talk about it in the promotional material - NOT in the booklet which, if you're reading it, means it's already too late - you've bought the thing) but apart from that no complaints. I'm not aware of any other things they've done that was confirmed their fault.

I think their recent track record is really exemplary. I don't doubt for a moment that this is going to be one CORKER of an album... :)

... CORKER...

... Ok... where's my dictionnary ?...

edit: ah, I see. I like that definition: "an irrefutable remark that puts an end to discussion". That's exactly what I'm expecting indeed.

A french would say that he expects it to make a a hole in your ass. lol. (the news about it already do).

LOL! That isn't actually how I meant it...

cork�er (k�rkr)
n.
1. One that corks bottles, for example.
2. Slang A remarkable or astounding person or thing.

Haha. Yeah. These two definitions were there too. But when it's "outstanding and remarkable" it usually puts an end to the discussion. ;-)

I guess this will be one of those "Intrada signature special, out of stock in less than a day after being available...:notgood:. Ah well. I'll keep an eye for this. I might invest for once.

I believe Douglass Fake mentioned in that Intrada thread that it would be more be than likely a MAF release (like Alien/BTTF), and it would likely be unlimited.

Which makes complete sense because the Varese is OOP.

I'm also looking forward to upgrading since it was one of the first CDs I bought.

This will sell like hotcakes, no doubt about that.

Indeed, talk to ANY body (at least in France) about the music from "Conan the Barbarian" : everybody will answer "yes of course, gorgeous"... Even when they don't know anything about film music. How many people around me knows it while they have totally no connection with film scores. Certainly this was one of the first CD's I bought too while I really didn't care of any cine scores.

Cult !

Indeed, talk to ANY body (at least in France) about the music from "Conan the Barbarian" : everybody will answer "yes of course, gorgeous"... Even when they don't know anything about film music. How many people around me knows it while they have totally no connection with film scores. Certainly this was one of the first CD's I bought too while I really didn't care of any cine scores.

Cult !

QFT. Personally I really like the recording by Prague Philarmonic, but the original is the best.

I believe Douglass Fake mentioned in that Intrada thread that it would be more be than likely a MAF release (like Alien/BTTF), and it would likely be unlimited.

Which makes complete sense because the Varese is OOP.

I'm also looking forward to upgrading since it was one of the first CDs I bought.

Haha ! That would be wonderful if that was the case. I really hope so.

From Douglas Fake on the Intrada forum thread:



Lots of fabulous responses here... and enough questions to fill those oceans that drank Atlantis! Here're a few answers that may satisfy.

The original MCA albums to both movies are true OSTs. They're not re-recordings. Both albums used cues from the actual soundtrack sessions, selected by Poledouris and his engineers as representative of the highlights and mixed down for release. Since we have the actual 24-track session elements, we're able to newly remix everything and allow solo lines and other colors to exhibit more clarity than possible back in the two-track stereo mixes made in '82 and '84 respectively.

Both albums used those original two-track mixes. The Varese CD to CONAN THE BARBARIAN was expanded solely because Poledouris had retained some additional cues on his own 1/4" 15 ips copy. Having been scored in Italy, there were no AFM restrictions on inclusion of the extra cues on a CD. But that expansion was limited to the handful of extra cues Poledouris retained, and the audio was necessarily limited to the two-track mixes.

We have a significant amount of alternate and rehearsal material, some interesting, some not. What makes portions interesting are the ones such as the main titles (Anvil Of Crom), where Poledouris starts with his French horns up an octave, then discards the idea after the first take. Hearing stuff like that from gestation into what we know and love is actually quite exhilarating. Listening to him develop the scraping sound of the tam tams or whatever for later takes of his "Wheel Of Pain" sequence is also of significance. Much of this score is a progression not of literal notes played as written but of creating sounds, percussion colors and whatnot right there as composer and musicians combine to create genuine primal energy, all fortunately while those 2" tape reels are spinning. (And how wonderful all those reels survived over the decades intact!)

Anyway, whether including this work-in-progress stuff becomes a matter of economics, of course. These are important film scores - the first one certainly one of the greatest ever - and one could easily end up with a massive box set chronicling the history of this incredible music, from the rehearsals and first takes to the tweaks and changes that ultimately created this genuinely powerful music. Maybe I'm a masochist, but for me, hearing Basil ask his bass drum and tympani players to try several different patterns until he gets just what he's looking for is fascinating. But, big surprise, every additional tidbit that might be fun also has licensing and mechanical fees - of course. What would the world be without fees.

Lots of wild info gets tossed around with projects anxiously sought such as this. For the record, Poledouris told me he was excited about the raw energy he got with the recordings, and how crisp the actual sound was. His disappointment came largely from the budgeting that wouldn't allow any multi-channel sound mixes, requiring what he called "rough" two-track mixes for the records and mono mixes for the movies themselves.

I gets lots of emails asking whether I prefer the "originals" or the "re-recording(s)". The quick answer is that both serve a wornderful function. The latter allows one to examine under a microscope years later the printed music as edited and polished, the former allows one to hear the raw emotional power of that same stuff actually being created. For specifics, however, in previously unreleased cues such as the "Pit Fights", I prefer the incredible savagery and piercing brass performances of the original to the clinical playing of the re-recording anyday. And nothing beats that original recording of those pounding percussion rhythms, followed by the unison French horn players literally being unleashed. Nothing. (But that's me.)

Oh, and for those multi-channel CD enthusiasts (which appear to number less than 7), we are most assuredly keeping the separate 24-track session masters intact, should anyone ever convince me that sales of 5.1 CDs would warrant such expenses.

As a post-scriptum, it's certainly exciting to find the new Blu-ray release of CONAN THE BARBARIAN taking advantage of the 5.1 audio at long last. And the music gets favored in the mix, too. Bravo! Basil's legacy is at work!
--Doug

http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=51964#p51964

Got my extra large drool bib on - I think this will be a must - good as the re-record is I would like to hear it as it done by Basil....

Douglass needs to stop the marketing campaign and start to say all the important details, that is, price, track list program and the release date.

Price - expensive. Track list - everything. Release date - soon.

There you go, who needs Fake? ;)

... Track list - everything...

Unfortunately they won't release the whole recorded material...

I discovered speaking of important details there was another thread there where this guy asks people's opinion about the sequencing: Intrada Soundtrack Forum • View topic - Yes... A New CONAN Thread. (http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4308)

There's a post where he explains what the masters really consist of, and it makes me sick to think we won't be able to hear all the "sound construction" recorded Poledouris worked out with the orchestra...

I would really go for a special "recording sessions" set, a 2CD listenable piece for everyone to be pleased with + a 3rd CD (at least!) with the recorded evolution of the score. Kind of archival set once for all !

The hype surrounding this is incredible. Conan is such an inspiring score that i'm sure the re-release will live up to everyone's expectations.

There you go, who needs Fake? ;)

Was this a play on words ? :D

(Who is he btw ?)

I think this is my favorite score of all time. There are a few -- Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Star Wars, The Fellowship of the Ring, Raiders of the Lost Ark -- that come very close, but I think if I absolutely had to name a #1, this'd be it.

So, yeah, I'll be buying this new version as soon as humanly possible.

Still haven't listened to this score yet, even though I have both the Varese and the re-recording, but I'm so glad to hear that the original complete recordings have been found. Cannot wait to hear them.

Hopefully by the time this is release I'll have finally watched the film and listened to the score!

I warn you then this is not just a "score" or a soundtrack. This is a 20th century masterpiece. It totally blows Orff's Carmina Burana if this can give you an idea.

The whatsa what? Never heard of "Carmina Burana", you call it?

The whatsa what? Never heard of "Carmina Burana", you call it?

Think John Boorman's Excalibur.

To put it bluntly - Jown William's scores to Star Wars (original trilogy) Got placed in the Classic archives along with Tchaicovsky and Bach - This is also where CTB SHOULD be! it changed the face of composition giving each instrument a new lease of uniqueness - Creating sounds on the spur of the moment - This is composition at its ultimate best! This is classic and almost 30 years on, you can still listen to it with the same reverence as you did when you first heard it! - I would compare it to Stravinskys Le Sacre Du Printemps' (The Rite of Spring) Whereby Stravinsky bought a new approach to composition that almost split the listeners opinion on this new found style! That is what Poledouris has done with CTB, not split the listeners opinion, but bought something fresh and new to the table!

The whatsa what? Never heard of "Carmina Burana", you call it?

I think you know it, but you don't know you do. lol.

Think John Boorman's Excalibur.

Hahaha. Again, another film that (while I have seen it), it was many, many years ago, and the only thing I remember about the film is the boobies. So I still have no idea what you are talking about (even though I do own the score).

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I warn you then this is not just a "score" or a soundtrack. This is a 20th century masterpiece. It totally blows Orff's Carmina Burana if this can give you an idea.

So, this is a little off subject, but I just listened to O Fortuna and quite liked it. I'm interested in listening to all of it. However, there's probably thousands of recordings of this. Which one do you (or others) think is one of the best versions?

Wikipedia reccommends a couple. Are any of these notable?

Eugen Jochum with the choir and orchestra of the Deutsche Oper Berlin and Gundula Janowitz, Gerhard Stolze, and Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau. Recorded October 1967 in Berlin's Ufa-Studio, released 1968 (Deutsche Grammophon). This version was endorsed by Carl Orff himself and was the first choice of the BBC Radio 3 CD Review "Building a Library" review in 1995 [1].

Riccardo Muti with Philharmonia Orchestra and Chorus and Arleen Auger, John van Kesteren and Jonathan Summers. Recorded 1979 (EMI), featured in the top three of BBC Radio 3's review and is also recommended by Classics Today [2]

Leonard Slatkin with Saint Louis Symphony Orchestra and Chorus, RCA 09026 61673-2, featured in the top three of BBC Radio 3's review

James Levine with Chicago Symphony Orchestra and Chorus and June Anderson, Phillip Creech, and Bernd Weikl. Recorded 1984 (Deutsche Grammophon). This version won the 1987 Grammy Award for Best Choral Performance.

Christian Thielemann with the choir and orchestra of the Deutsche Oper Berlin and Knabenchor Berlin. Released 2003 by Deutsche Grammophon GmbH, Hamburg. Named "Editor's Choice" by Gramophone.

Charles Dutoit with the Orchestre Symphonique de Montr�al & Saint Lawrence Choir (Beverly Hoch (s), Stanford Olsen (t), Mark Oswald (bar). 1997, Decca 028945529028. High quality recording technically (balancing orchestra and choir).

Or maybe one of these?

Amazon.com: Orff - Carmina Burana / Oelze, Keenlyside, Kuebler; Thielemann: Carl Orff, Christian Thielemann, Christiane Oelze, Simon Keenlyside, Chor und Orchester der Deutschen Oper Berlin, David Kuebler: Music (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000JSAM/qid=1123255840/sr=8-14/ref=pd_bbs_sbs_14/102-1276763-3978541?v=glance&s=music&n=507846)
Amazon.com: Orff: Carmina Burana: Kevin McMillan, Carl Orff, Herbert Blomstedt, Vance George, San Francisco Symphony Orchestra, Lynne Dawson, John Daniecki: Music (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000041YC/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/)
Amazon.com: Orff: Carmina Burana: Carl Orff, James Levine, Chicago Symphony Orchestra, June Anderson, Bernd Weikl, Philip Creech, Chicago Symphony Chorus: Music (http://www.amazon.com/Orff-Carmina-Burana-Carl/dp/B000001G5X)

Again, sorry for going off-topic.

I have the first one presented on the following site and between all the versions I had it "may" well be the best:

Prescribed Ensemble Work � Carmina Burana � Music Solo Performance at Braemar (http://mrcowall.edublogs.org/2010/05/20/prescribed-ensemble-work-carmina-burana/)

Choir and Orchestra of the German Opera Berline conducted by Eugen Joachum, Deutsche Grammophon 447 437 2

Hi.
Some words for GreyEdwards:
Carmina Burana by Orff directed by Jochum is considered the best version (authorized by the composer too). This for direction, singers, chorus and orchestra (sound is fine too). This doesn't mean that other editions are not great, but the Jochum is the classic reference edition. Please, note that the original Carmina Burana, were medieval poems, then Gregorian Songs and only in the XX century a work by Carl Orff. Not all the music is thundering like ''O Fortuna'', and sometimes it has a ''cabaret'' sound a la Kurt Weil, but it is always fine. Orff wrote other music with the same taste for chorus (Wikipedia may be more useful for a search).
Missa Glagolitica by Leos Jan�cek is in the same taste too.
And, of course, some parts of ''The Lion in Winter'' by John Barry.
Being an admirer of Milius and Poledouris works, I also must say that without Ėjzen�tejn�s and Prokofiev's "Alexandr Nevsky'' No Conan The Barbarian (movie and score) would exist.
Greetings.
Forgive my English please!

conan intrada lossless ?
please

conan intrada lossless ?
please

I'm sure someone will post it once Intrada releases it - currently they have not given a release date.

prometheus lossless ?

The music is so powerful, it transcends the movie, almost as if it was made without any scenes to play to.

Actually, I like the Carmina Burana as heard in "Young Sherlock Holmes" score!

William

The cue from Young Sherlock is openly inspired from... But this is not Carmina Burana.

... There's a terrific copy of Carmina Burana in Joseph DoLuca's American Gothik (not the episode 1 pilot boot, but the 40 track "best of" boot - it's the final track on it). I recommand you have a look, it blows ! :) LoDuca is good with that kind of inspiration (all the orchestral/choir cues from Xena blow too).

RE: CARMINA BURANA:

I used to play the Muti interpretation on EMI/CAPITOL to death when I still worked in a cd chain store. I never liked listening to any other interpretation after that for some reason. It's kind of like listening to RCA/VICTOR pressings of TCHAIKOVSKI's 1812 with real cannons and the full choir bits included in the intro and towards the end. Every other version seemed to want to run away with itself.

Eugene Ormandy and the philadelphia Orchestra.....A genius of the Romantic period.

Any news on a release date? or even when/ if you can pre-order this one! Thanks

I recommand you have a look, it blows ! :) LoDuca is good with that kind of inspiration

So is it bad or good? because "blows" usually means that it sucks.

I made an edit of the Orgy Battle music sometime ago where our Heroes grab the Princess and Conan battles Rexor and Thorgrim before escaping. I've tried to upload it but the internet hasn't been kind but will post it when I do upload it.

Uploaded to this thread...

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This music is included in the correct scene on the album. There IS no missing score now.

Have you heard anything about the Intra Conan release?

Nothing heard yet. Still can't wait for it though.

And that rawness adds to the cinematography of the entire movie, it is a match made in haven.
I don't quiet remember if The Blair Witch Project (1) had a musical score but i doubt it.
What i am getting at even extends to screenwriting, with how-to guides like "Fast, Cheap and
written that way". You want rawness, you need to keep the edges, not fake them.
Tarrantino is at a point where he's just faking it - Inglorious Bastard indeed. Creating Cult is
impossible. You need be cheap first, so that's a nod to you, Terminator :)

Checking in again, if anyone has any info please post it here.

Would you prefer the version of a movie released to theaters in 4:3 (Pan and Scan) (because the theater couldnt handle it), over a superior 16:9 (Widescreen) version?

In some cases, I'd prefer that .
Let's say I'd prefer to see Clash of the Titans (the original from 1981) in 4:3 than the ridiculous 2010 remake in 16:9
Same goes for Conan , 1982 version, on TV in 4:3, than the lousy 2011 remake in 16:9.
You guys can't hear the difference between a student and a master if you say the Prague version is technically perfect: it's less than scholar, it's uninspired , the tempo is wrong, it's simply lousy, most of the time. Only some very scarce moments on the CD remind you the orchestra is pro, but if you had made me listen to the rerecording in first place without telling me which orchestra was performing, I would have said "a local amateur group of musicians with expensive recording material"

In some cases, I'd prefer that .
Let's say I'd prefer to see Clash of the Titans (the original from 1981) in 4:3 than the ridiculous 2010 remake in 16:9
Same goes for Conan , 1982 version, on TV in 4:3, than the lousy 2011 remake in 16:9.
You guys can't hear the difference between a student and a master if you say the Prague version is technically perfect: it's less than scholar, it's uninspired , the tempo is wrong, it's simply lousy, most of the time. Only some very scarce moments on the CD remind you the orchestra is pro, but if you had made me listen to the rerecording in first place without telling me which orchestra was performing, I would have said "a local amateur group of musicians with expensive recording material"

Ugh, that's a bit tough to say. The rerecording is pretty awesome and anything but uninspired. Surely it also is a different interpretation and I like the roughness of Poledouris original recording in Rome too. It is an impressive score and hard to pull off and I would never say that the Prague recording was done by what you call a "local amateur group of blabla ...". That's pretty insulting to say, honestly. And a pretty stupid comment as well, sorry dude, but this was the most stupid thing I have read today ...

Ugh, that's a bit tough to say. The rerecording is pretty awesome and anything but uninspired. Surely it also is a different interpretation and I like the roughness of Poledouris original recording in Rome too. It is an impressive score and hard to pull off and I would never say that the Prague recording was done by what you call a "local amateur group of blabla ...". That's pretty insulting to say, honestly. And a pretty stupid comment as well, sorry dude, but this was the most stupid thing I have read today ...

When someone plays as if he were a zombie, when the direction is flat like a blackboard and when the rewriting of the sheet music is sublevel , paced down and poorly arranged, well it's not an "insult", it's just me noticing it when you're incapable of doing so.
I'd say the Prague version is "inspired" only for those who have no notion of quality in terms of classical playing, sad to say but true. Look at X-factor, people applaud constestants who sing in tune as if singing in tune was something exceptional, when in a conservatory, almost everyone at a certain point sings "in tune", beacsue if you don't you fail and they don't let you repeat failure after failure in most serious pro music schools.
So the performance of Nic Raine and his Czech friends is simply average in places, interesting in some scarce moments and very uninspired in the long run on the rerecording.
The solo flutists give out the flatest sound I ever heard, no vibrato no feeling whatsoever.
The harpsichord player is reading a book while playing, the strings sound like a synth, very uniform, not enough feeling in their touch and so on. The direction is really not impressive neither, robotic.
You didn't notice the SLOOOW pace? Poledouris never wanted that, suffices to hear all of his recordings (I mean all the other non Conan OST) , none are played as slowly, the execs at Prometheus are simply justifying their choice of sheet music arranger, and all their urban legend about Poledouris being so "mad" about the first Conan ost recordings.
What we know for sure is he wanted a fuller orchestra, but saying he didn't like the Rome Symphony's playing is nothing but speculation, wind.
Should I say the sheet music for the 2011 rerecording wasn't Poledouris' nor that of the orchestrators but rewritten?Read the booklet! That being said, read my posts where I show the mistakes in the rewrite, in the thread of the FLAC version of the Destroyer's rerecording. Shifting the pitch a half tone lower RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PIECE for instance ( a sudden and unmusical transposition!!) in Dragon's Head cannot be forgiven, I feel as if I were listening to a student orchestrator proposing some crappy ideas .
Time will tell, these rerecordings have an exceptional sound that will pklease the easily impressed, but the playing is floating between below average and merely acceptable.

As to you telling me my comment is stupid, I'll simply say you have absolutely no notion of what professional execution means, and that's where we differ, because I trained professionally and you didn't or else you wouldn't be defending such a lousy performance.
Proof is, many easily impressed fans speak of the Ubeda performance: sadly it was a disgrace to Poledouris who didn't know where to hide, poor guy, I felt sorry for him and his great music. Need proof? Watch the video and see when the choir is LOST and when the choir members look at each other IN GUILT because they're a few beats OFF. Yeah, a few beats off...how could they dare disrespect the composer's music in front of him while he's conducting it?
The choir isn't synchronized with the orchestra, they just wanted to show off. Besides that, when some pieces were relatively well played, the playing was in certain aspects better than what the Prague philharmonic offered. I said only in certain aspects and in certain moments, especially the feel.
Go learn about orchestration and playing classical instrument then come back telling me "my comments are stupid".

In some cases, I'd prefer that .
Let's say I'd prefer to see Clash of the Titans (the original from 1981) in 4:3 than the ridiculous 2010 remake in 16:9
Same goes for Conan , 1982 version, on TV in 4:3, than the lousy 2011 remake in 16:9.
You guys can't hear the difference between a student and a master if you say the Prague version is technically perfect: it's less than scholar, it's uninspired , the tempo is wrong, it's simply lousy, most of the time. Only some very scarce moments on the CD remind you the orchestra is pro, but if you had made me listen to the rerecording in first place without telling me which orchestra was performing, I would have said "a local amateur group of musicians with expensive recording material"

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I'll let only one thing "flow through me" : the idea that soon true remasters of the originals will be released , to wash away the bad taste of the rerecordings !

Go learn about orchestration and playing classical instrument then come back telling me "my comments are stupid".

Actually monsieur, I do write classical music and a couple of classical composers HAVE indeed made positive remarks about my sense of orchestration. So what? Does that qualify my opinion, or my knowledge about the fine differences of classical performance?

I'm sorry if I put my remark in a way that wasn't maybe that polite. But the response you gave me just shows, that you were waiting for a moment like that to show off how qualified your opinion is.

Good day and stay awesome!

Actually monsieur, I do write classical music and a couple of classical composers HAVE indeed made positive remarks about my sense of orchestration. So what? Does that qualify my opinion, or my knowledge about the fine differences of classical performance?

I'm sorry if I put my remark in a way that wasn't maybe that polite. But the response you gave me just shows, that you were waiting for a moment like that to show off how qualified your opinion is.

Good day and stay awesome!

Yeah ,sure man, you're a composer and perhaps even a distant cousin to Mozart, Karajan and the Pope himself.
So because I'm professionally trained, you repeat the same thing to legitimate your newbie analysis, how interesting. "Me too, Meeee Toooooo!!!!"
Your opinion on "how great" the Prague Orchestra played and was directed when in fact it was a real flatliner in both rerecordings and your refusal to speak of the mistakes I pointed out in the rewritten and arranged sheet music for the Destroyer rerecording says it all.
If we speak of olympic games next time, you'll tell me you're an ex olympic gold medalist too won't ya?

This being said the real culprit is the production , far too concentrated on the promo, secondly the extremely lousy re-writing and the direction ,ex aequo. The orchestra members are the last to be blamed,since a good director and producers with good taste would have kicked the asses of reluctant half asleep instrumentists.

Yeah ,sure man, you're a composer and perhaps even a distant cousin to Mozart, Karajan and the Pope himself.
So because I'm professionally trained, you repeat the same thing to legitimate your newbie analysis, how interesting. "Me too, Meeee Toooooo!!!!"
Your opinion on "how great" the Prague Orchestra played and was directed when in fact it was a real flatliner in both rerecordings and your refusal to speak of the mistakes I pointed out in the rewritten and arranged sheet music for the Destroyer rerecording says it all.
If we speak of olympic games next time, you'll tell me you're an ex olympic gold medalist too won't ya?

This being said the real culprit is the production , far too concentrated on the promo, secondly the extremely lousy re-writing and the direction ,ex aequo. The orchestra members are the last to be blamed,since a good director and producers with good taste would have kicked the asses of reluctant half asleep instrumentists.

Newbie analysis? Dude, please .... So far I didn't "analyse" anything, but the way you backed up your statements. Seems in regards to that I must have hit a sensitive spot.
I didn't reply to your indepth master analysis because what should I reply to it? I totally don't have the same feeling towards it - plus I don't own a copy of the Destroyer recordings as I am no great fan of the composition and the movie itself (Poledouris to me is a great composer and I admire him a lot, but not this score). Also while you totally bash the rerecordings, the originals have their flaws as well. But why have a discussion with someone who has a very unpleasant way of stating his opinion and putting it above anyone elses? You don't know me and put yourself up to be a professional with awesome credentials while diminishing me to being an idiot with a keyboard claiming to write little tunes all day and calling himself a composer (next to being a gold medalist ... one of my scores won a price, but me running? not yet, but some day - maybe :D). I 'm quiet happy not being a relative to the three people you mentioned, because they showed some very serious character flaws, which makes me think about what type of ego might run in your family line.

Now, I am sure, that I am not the greatest composer around (something I feel pretty ok with), but at least I don't let my profession get in the way and behave as arrogant as you do. If orchestras and professional musicians of your stature weren't funded by governments, you could enlighten other people with your opinion while driving them around in a taxi cab. This high-brow attitude is something that has kept me away from the classical world for a reason.

But, I see your point. It's hard for a rerecording to live up to the feelings one had while listening to the original, which is why I am not listening to many covers of Beatles songs, even those that stay close to the originals. I find the performances of the Prague Philharmonic to have a ceraint character. Something that not all people might not get along with. In the case of the Conan soundtracks, it serves the emotional aspect of the composition and what it was made for very well. As does Arnold Schwarzeneggers bad english - makes his role as a Barbarian much much more believable. But emotionality seems to be something lost to your impressive classical training, what's not written on the sheet has no place in a performance. Speaking about sheets, who says that the way they performed it was not to Poledouris intend? Do you own a signed copy of Poledouris scores, coupled with a complete breakdown as to what he wanted?

As Bernard Herrmann put it in one of his last interviews - you can check it, somebody posted it here - music is a living art and it's good that no two performances of the same piece sound the same. Otherwise music would be a very dead art.

Just take it outside the thread, both of you, please

Just take it outside the thread, both of you, please

Oh, look -- I found where it should be posted:

Oh, look -- I found where it should be posted:


point taken XD

Justin Boggan, instead of throwing oil on the fire, could you give your opinion?

Now that you've posted a picture of your THRONE (a toilet bowl), will you post a picture of your SCEPTER ( a toilet brush) ?

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Newbie analysis? Dude, please .... plus I don't own a copy of the Destroyer recordings as I am no great fan of the composition and the movie itself (Poledouris to me is a great composer and I admire him a lot, but not this score). Also while you totally bash the rerecordings, the originals have their flaws as well. But why have a discussion with someone who has a very unpleasant way of stating his opinion and putting it above anyone elses?

But, I see your point. It's hard for a rerecording to live up to the feelings one had while listening to the original, which is why I am not listening to many covers of Beatles songs, even those that stay close to the originals. I find the performances of the Prague Philharmonic to have a ceraint character. Something that not all people might not get along with. In the case of the Conan soundtracks, it serves the emotional aspect of the composition and what it was made for very well. As does Arnold Schwarzeneggers bad english - makes his role as a Barbarian much much more believable. But emotionality seems to be something lost to your impressive classical training, what's not written on the sheet has no place in a performance. Speaking about sheets, who says that the way they performed it was not to Poledouris intend? Do you own a signed copy of Poledouris scores, coupled with a complete breakdown as to what he wanted?

As Bernard Herrmann put it in one of his last interviews - you can check it, somebody posted it here - music is a living art and it's good that no two performances of the same piece sound the same. Otherwise music would be a very dead art.

I will answer to each of the points you mentioned:

-First of all, if you don't own the Destroyer re-recording, it's no excuse not to check the mistakes I pointed out. You would lose 3 minutes of your precious life learining something new, but you simply refuse.

-I never said the original recording of the Barbarian didn't have flaws. Did I ever say that once?? But now that we're talking about it, the flaws are not about tempo, because POLEDOURIS WAS CONDUCTING, so unless the Rome Symphony decided to ignore him on 20 or so tracks, which is not realistic, saying the tempo on the first recordings was too fast is only commercial hype thrown to us by communication department ofPrometheus records, to justify their stupid choice of pacing down like hell the original tempo. That's just the tempo. now what about the playing...well it's leagues better than what the Prague orchestra and it's director, Nic Raine, have offered us.

-My classical training? I mentioned it because your arguments gave me and many others the impression that you had no notion of how an orchestra works and how a piece should be played. Your poor appreciation of nuances and the unneeded appraisal of a very mediocre playing -that of the Prague orchestra- speak volumes of your "tastes".

-I'm too emotional about the first recordings? Wake up man. At least Poledouris himself conducted. I was upset about the recordings being mono, the grainy sound at moments, and a few other details who today are DWARFED by the ATROCIOUS rendering in the rerecording by the Prague Orchestra , the poor rewriting of the score and the crappy direction by Nic Raine.

-you claim that I say that what isn't "written on the sheet music has no place in a rerecording" ?? What have you smoked, Aot? A film score has to be interpreted -when recording a NEW version- in a manner that corresponds to the movie, not in some paced down fashion to suit the lousy commercial campaign by Prometheus' execs to promote their rerecordings.
What has been said has been extrapolated from the SAYINGS OF A DEAD MAN (Poledouris), shame on Prometheus records!!
what proof do I have? Simple as that: I already gave my proof, the numerous other OST recordings conducted by Poledouris. Should I mention them? Robocop, Flesh+Blood, and so on. Is the pace slow as hell? NEVER. Did Poledouris supposedly complain about the orchestra or other details for each of his recordings? No. Are the scores of Robocop and Flesh+Blood ( which I just mentioned because of a similar style) consistant and coherent in terms of playing and execution with those of the two Conan movie scores? ABSOLUTELY.
LKisten to the interviews, read about Poledouris, he never bashed the Rome Symphony, and never did he intend the pace to be so SLOW as in the rerecordings, OR ELSE ALL OF HIS PUBLIC PERFORMANCES WOULD HAVE BEEN SLOWED DOWN COMPARED TO HE RERECORDINGS, BUT IT HAS NEVER BEEN THE CASE, simply check out on video his public performances as a conductor.

Prometheus Records' sheet music arranger, rewriting his scores to the new standards of the record label, with crappy arrangements that were totally not necessary, ALTERING the TEMPO making it slow as hell and introducing a 1/2 tone transposition in the f*cking middle of a piece for example is sufficient proof for me and anyone who trained profesionally to say that Prometheus records' arranger is an INCOMPETENT person.

All in all, why did Prometheus' producers insist so much upon claiming they followed Poledouris' personal recommandations when the end product differs so much of all of his public and recorded renderings? Poledouris only complained about insufficient credits that obliged the studios to record in MONO and the fact that the orchestra couldn't give out the full potential of his score due to REDUCED NUMBER of INSTRUMENTISTS. HE -never- said they played poorly, check out the interviews and the books about him.

If you refuse to listen to interviews of Poledouris,refuse to read books about him, refuse to listen his other OSTs... and prefer to believe the word from mouth of the record label producers, too bad for you !

-Art? If you justify a turd by saying it's "art", that's your choice, but I can smell and see a trud when I see one, and these rerecordings are mediocre. You're trying to start a new debate about what is "art" and what isn't to avoid the main culprits.

Since you know so much about my tastes and my knowledge, please indulge me, what are they?
Where exactly do you take the knowledge from that I don't know how an orchestra should perform? And please, you have mentioned that since you have a classical training you know and that since i found your manner of presenting your arguments at first, which are that you find it crappy and nothing else, offensive and stupid. Now I have said my answer was unpolite and that I am sorry for it. Yet you just go on saying you just mentioned your training, because by me writing two sentences I have showed you that I know next to nothing about orchestral music. And in the next sentence you try to make an idiot out of me, because I mentioned that I compose music. Well, I am so sorry, that I make a living out of it and I am having fun doing so. Writing music for orchestral instruments is a wonderful form of expression and I take a lot of delight from having all these wonderful instruments interact with each other.

Where do I refuse to do something? You are reading stuff between the lines, that simply don't exist just to make your point again and again, which is that you hate the rerecordings and anybody who says otherwise is stupid and doesn't know anything about orchestral matters. I have read a lot of interviews with Poledouris, listened to his music and no, I didn't read that much press statements from Prometheus since I don't give too much about press statements, I like to make up my own mind.

I never claimed that Poledouris complained about the Rome recording - there are various sources who say he did and some claiming he didn't, but in interviews I have seen with the guy he comes across pretty happy with his music and the way it was performed.
IMHO either everything is art nor nothing, every other use of the word is just meant to separate something and put it above scrutiny. I was just citing Herrmann and he used the word art not me. Now, why would I argue about the usage of a word with one of the greatest film composers of the 20th century?

This whole argument is getting pointless. I have no problem with you personally and that you have gotten a classical training and I guess you have your point, but you just present it as here's fact, it's fact because it comes from you. I said something about the way you said it and whoa my whole credibility goes down the drainage, because I liked the performance of the Prague Philharmonic. I never defended it above everything else. Maybe Poledouris wanted the part to be performed with less vibrato or he made up his mind afterwards, I don't know.
But you just have to spit out sentences like, next time I'll tell you that I'm a olympic athlete when we come to that discussion. What kind of professional argumentation is that? You just back up your arguments with some insults against me, from two sentences i've written, and that tells me a lot about your "tastes". No matter how accomplished your knowledge about orchestral matters is.

See you at the next olympic games!

What the hell? I would ta
ke the time to read all of this, but I have a feeling I know where it is going...This type of extended "discussion", which will go nowhere, is really discouraged in the dl sections. We have a film music discussion thread in General Discussion just for that.

Personally, I am not trained in music, so I am free to enjoy my re-recording without stress or shame. :awsm:

I came, I saw, I read....

My comments to it all... Big fat hairy bollocks... (Checks) Yes, Big fat hairy bollocks... Thats all... Carry on!


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I lied, I didnt read.. But I bet my comment would be the same, even if I did lol :P

Now I will say i do prefer the original recording to the rerecording for conan. I like the faster temp, yes. The only issue is that the original leaves ofg the music I most want. What I have done is take the extended original release and added the missing tracks from the rerecording on a playlist to get the best of both. Sortaq a Mandi mash-up...err...:erm:

I prefer the new album to the original for Destroyer though. If you have heard the recording sessions I posted, you'll know that the rerecording is way better.

AMANDA (looks at avatar) you changed girl, you need put some lotion on yo skin mama (looks at own Avatar) OMG... When yo done, give me some dat lotion!!!

Scoreman, I was upping all the Zilla scores, and changed the Avy appropriately. I am inna Aliens mood now, since almost all og the Lizard stuff is posted. Need to think o something new. But, I will **always** be ready and willing to lotiona you up.....:awsm:

(some of my most wanted list was filled by your posts when I first joined, and I will be forever grateful. So, I will lotion anytime).

OOOOOh ... Im like on next flight to you...ill even bring extra lotion :D:D:D:D - And perhaps my score HD as currency lol!!

Since you know so much about my tastes and my knowledge, please indulge me, what are they?
Where exactly do you take the knowledge from that I don't know how an orchestra should perform? And please, you have mentioned that since you have a classical training you know and that since i found your manner of presenting your arguments at first, which are that you find it crappy and nothing else, offensive and stupid. Now I have said my answer was unpolite and that I am sorry for it. Yet you just go on saying you just mentioned your training, because by me writing two sentences I have showed you that I know next to nothing about orchestral music. And in the next sentence you try to make an idiot out of me, because I mentioned that I compose music. Well, I am so sorry, that I make a living out of it and I am having fun doing so. Writing music for orchestral instruments is a wonderful form of expression and I take a lot of delight from having all these wonderful instruments interact with each other.

Where do I refuse to do something? You are reading stuff between the lines, that simply don't exist just to make your point again and again, which is that you hate the rerecordings and anybody who says otherwise is stupid and doesn't know anything about orchestral matters. I have read a lot of interviews with Poledouris, listened to his music and no, I didn't read that much press statements from Prometheus since I don't give too much about press statements, I like to make up my own mind.

I never claimed that Poledouris complained about the Rome recording - there are various sources who say he did and some claiming he didn't, but in interviews I have seen with the guy he comes across pretty happy with his music and the way it was performed.
IMHO either everything is art nor nothing, every other use of the word is just meant to separate something and put it above scrutiny. I was just citing Herrmann and he used the word art not me. Now, why would I argue about the usage of a word with one of the greatest film composers of the 20th century?

This whole argument is getting pointless. I have no problem with you personally and that you have gotten a classical training and I guess you have your point, but you just present it as here's fact, it's fact because it comes from you. I said something about the way you said it and whoa my whole credibility goes down the drainage, because I liked the performance of the Prague Philharmonic. I never defended it above everything else. Maybe Poledouris wanted the part to be performed with less vibrato or he made up his mind afterwards, I don't know.
But you just have to spit out sentences like, next time I'll tell you that I'm a olympic athlete when we come to that discussion. What kind of professional argumentation is that? You just back up your arguments with some insults against me, from two sentences i've written, and that tells me a lot about your "tastes". No matter how accomplished your knowledge about orchestral matters is.

See you at the next olympic games!

OWw come on. The point was all about not believing the hype and urban legends around the rerecordings that Prometheus records was spreading. If you don't believe it, good. It was also about being easily impressed by a nice and clear sound as it is often the case today with expensive productions, but no as much effort put into the score arrangement, the execution and the direction, and if you really like the way it was played -in a fairly lifeless fashion- by the Prague Orchestra, your standards to reach satisfaction while appreciating a performance must be relatively low, that is my conclusion about it, and I'm sure many music lovers will find it realistic.

About Poledrouris not wanting vibrato, if he didn't we wouldn't be hearing it in the recordings where he conducted himself, so there goes that shit argument to defend the Prague orchestra's flat and slow rendition. Plus the fact that he's dead and never listened to the rerecording because ti was released years after him passing away.
You want to listen to an interview? Watch the video of the performance in Ubeda and the interview in the Destroyer DVD, it's a start if ever you're really interested.
If he was still alive, this kind of messing up wouldn't be happening and even if some crap still managed to happen it would be minimized since he would be conducting a rerecording, at least. Unfortunately it will never be the case .
How could you ever like a rendition where vibrato is completely absent and the pace slowed down, ONLY CROM KNOWS!!
Just know that when your arguments failed to convince, you claimed to never put them forth, anyways it's the past and we'll be all listening soon to the remastered originals of both Conan movies, and you'll be able to compare quality with poor imitation.

Have a good day.

**too late for that**

You are aware that your statements above can be applied to any of us who liked the thing, and are fairly smug and insulting? I mean you know that, right? If the two of you want to argue this, do it via pm, and leave the rest of us alone for God's sake, especially since it is clear I am a moronic waif who will never aspeire to your level of musical appreciation, and all that. Yeesh,

**too late for that**

You are aware that your statements above can be applied to any of us who liked the thing, and are fairly smug and insulting? I mean you know that, right? If the two of you want to argue this, do it via pm, and leave the rest of us alone for God's sake, especially since it is clear I am a moronic waif who will never aspeire to your level of musical appreciation, and all that. Yeesh,

I never said once you were a "moronic waif", but if you feel bad about appreciating a piece of crap like the prometheus rerecordings, don't worry it's normal. You simply didn't study classical music, but hey we're not all "obliged" to learn it to listen to orchestral music and so on huh! But if you wish to ARGUE on technical points, well YES you MUST have studied or else your opinion means zilch.
Would you for example go and tell a famous tennisman that he did'nt move correctly if you never once learned tennis rules and techniques? Well why would you do it concerning orchestrating then? Don't like analogies with sports like the other forum member? Tough buns lady. Either you understand certain things either you don't.
Perhaps we'll meet on another forum , speaking of a completely different subject where you'll be a lot more of an " expert" than me and I'll be the one asking for advise! Who knows!

the thing is , the rerecordings were CRAP, even the booklet covers were CRAP, what the heck was that 20$ chinese fantasy wallhanger sword with CGI smoke for the cover of the Barbarian rerecording? When I think there were some alternate paintings by Casaro for the movie and PRometheus just sat in peace producing this shitty cover, it's a shame.
Concerning the music, it's a question of friends, the produce, the conductor, they just decided to impose to an easily impressed public their rerecording as being "the best there will ever be" and supposeldy following the wishes of passed away composer Poledouris. I'm so glad they're not producing tshirts , g-strings and whatnot crap merchandising with Poledouris' name on it, it's so COMMON and DISRESPECTFUL to use urban legend assertions from a dead man to justify a commercial campaign!
Something tells me we'll be a lot more lucky with the remasters and this arguing wil be long forgotten when it's released. Well if Intrada doesn't start messing things up of course.

You are beginning to be a real P I T A !!!

Two people claiming to be "knowledgeable" in the arts of music... too bad you didn't learn manners instead. But then again, isn't that the way it is nowadays? Generally speaking: Unless people agree with your point of view, you raise your voice. And if they still don't agree - you raise your voice even more. Flaming, screaming and being obnoxious in general. Kinda takes something away from the claim of being a scholar in something...

Sorry for this post, since it's OT. Let me just finish by saying that the score discussed is definitely among the top three, ever (in my humble un-scholared opinion). I think this new release by Intrada is probably THE most anticipated release for me. And i will agree with Amanda:


Personally, I am not trained in music, so I am free to enjoy my re-recording without stress or shame.

so i will also enjoy the Prometheus release in the meanwhile.

Two people claiming to be "knowledgeable" in the arts of music... too bad you didn't learn manners instead. But then again, isn't that the way it is nowadays? Generally speaking: Unless people agree with your point of view, you raise your voice. And if they still don't agree - you raise your voice even more. Flaming, screaming and being obnoxious in general. Kinda takes something away from the claim of being a scholar in something...

Sorry for this post, since it's OT. Let me just finish by saying that the score discussed is definitely among the top three, ever (in my humble un-scholared opinion). I think this new release by Intrada is probably THE most anticipated release for me. And i will agree with Amanda:



so i will also enjoy the Prometheus release in the meanwhile.

Somewhere I do agree that people should not be "obliged" to study music to appreciate it, yet we must observe that most people who didn't learn music and who really appreciate music end up one day learning music one way or another, not always by learning an instrument (some people are experts in music history for example).
The sad part is where you see all kinds of obnoxious commercials on blogs and forums to promote something that is lacking of taste, but we see al sorts of funnies yelling it's fantastic, it's great and so on as if it were ssome sort of epiphany when really it isn't. Im' even wondering if we have a false impression of the reality as many fans who've been absolutely NOT impressed simply didn't take the time to post on forums to which dergree they were disappointed, as they would simply like to forget all about this. Like many of my friends who don't know theyr asses from their elbolw in music, yet have a very good taste and despite their lack of musical instruction can detect poor execution from vivid performance...ohhh did I mention they had ...TASTE?
People are easily impressed with all sorts of things: sexy/classy outfits, celebrities performing, expensive quality recording material, limited editions....but when it comes to pure instrumental execution, only true artistic taste (which cannot be learnt, either you have it or you don't) will prevail, not diplomas, and that's what makes a connoisseur.

Some people think Vanessa Mae is the most technical and brilliant violinist while others will say she's full of it and wouldn't even be worth kissing the feet of Itzakh Perlman. Guess which type of public is gifted with good taste in this example!!

It is even SADDER when I speak of the rerecording of Conan the Destroyer, in a particular piece, Dragon's Head, where the piece suddenly and without notice is transposed (or perhaps the track has undergone tone shifting ) one half tone lower, which is highly unmusical. Suuurprise..... NO ONE HERE dares to check, some even tell me they don't give a damn and I end up insulted by people who claim boldly the rerecording is great....
Same thing goes for the lack of Vibrato in the pieces where the flute is proeminent...it doesn't seem to bother anybody.
Has anyone ever listened here to one CD of flute in his life? Vibrato is the key to a colourful interpretation, if you play blandly it sounds like an analog synth .....I'm not even going into the slowed down pace nor the rewriting f-ups territory...
Now if that isn't a proof of TONE DEAFNESS and DYSMUSIA by some people who are incapable to appreciate music , I don't know what else it could be. If they appreciate the relatively good sound of the rerecording -audiophile wise- , not many will disagree apart from sound engineers who will always prefer this or that other method, but concerning the rewriting and the instrumental execution of the score, it's sloppy-land, DOT. People who learned music and those who didn't but who possess a "musical ear" will always notice it.

On the other hand, speaking of the cover:
Has anyone noticed the 10 buck made in Taiwan photoshopped wallhangers held by some amateur muscleman on the CD covers of both rerecordings? A shame when there ar so many neat examples out there of unused Conan art...once again my comments are ignored by Prometheus label fans who in their great state of ignorance, do not even know that the original painter of the Conan the Barbarian poster -Renato Casaro- actually painted 2 alternate covers/posters. Suffices to check it on google to see what Prometheus just blew like opprtunity, but seeing what a poor execution it has been, I hope they'll use these usued paintings for the REMASTERED ORIGINALS instead of crappy photoshop garbage.

Xaaaa is clearly a genius, the likes of which we rarely see on these boards. Please do continue to spread evidence of your intellect and ineffable character.

Sorry Xaaaa, but for a person to enjoy or not any certain piece of music it is not required that him/her have any honorary degree on music, nor any particularly refined musical taste that can only be commonly shared by a few.

And yes this re-recording is great, but then i'm an ignorant that is easily impressed. Not a bad thing to be ignorant, because when i go hear a live concert they only ask me at the entrance the tickets of the concert, not if i know what is the C major scale as a requirement to be admitted of listening the music at the concert!

Well, for those masses who have not posted their opinions, the solution is very simle. DO NOT BUY IT. Now, I realize it was too late with the first album

The thing about these albums is that it is the first time we have had the missing music free of fx, or muffled sound. For me that was the selling point. However, I have not played it for a while. I took the Varese expanded release, and supplemented the missing cues with the rerecording when needed. But over two thirds is the original score. But just because I prefer the original does not mean I can't appreciate the rerecording for what it is. As I understand, it was following Poledouris's own musical notes, and was implementing the things he had beeb forced to do without during the first session. The specifics of that are fairly well setablished I think. What he privately thought, we, was private. In that way, I enjoy hearing what could have been. Concerning the Destroyer album, you cannot possibly believe the original recordings are better? The original scoring was an obvious dissapointment, especially for Poledours. So bottom line got me, when (if) the Intrada sts arrive, I will absolutey buy THE Barbarian, but will likey stick to my rerecording for Destroyer. People like what they like, and sometimes there just is no rational explanation. It either touches you or it doesn't and technical merit has nothing to do with it.

I have something to ad to the conversation.

Vanessa-Mae is hot. That's all.

I'll kiss her feet and we'll just leave it at that.

Well, for those masses who have not posted their opinions, the solution is very simle. DO NOT BUY IT. Now, I realize it was too late with the first albu. But after hearing it, then why buy the second, knowing what it will likely sound like?

Bingo.

I like the re-recording. I currently prefer it to the Varese release of the original, mostly relating to sound quality. When the Intrada comes out, I will consider buying it, although it won't be an essential purchase. I have no interest in any version of "Destroyer." This is all, of course, based on my musically-ignorant taste.

That said, someone who assumes the original is precisely according to the composer's wishes simply because the composer conducted the sessions is clearly ignorant of the realities of film production.

Any news on the Intrada release?

Any news on the Intrada release?

Funny you mention that. Some strong clues given for the one (only one this week apparently) title being annoucned by Intrada this Monday night fit real close with Conan i think. Check the site forum for speculation. Keep an eye out guys.

Awesome, thanks!

It will be definitely NOT Conan on Monday, 7th ;)

Correct, it will be North by Northwest. Maybe in two weeks.

Thanks for the updates, as the time gets closer this should be a hot topic.

Xaaaa is clearly a genius, the likes of which we rarely see on these boards. Please do continue to spread evidence of your intellect and ineffable character.

TazerMonkey , the pretentious post you've just written about me simply proves you don't have one single argument. Continue being a true pedant, it amuses me.

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Sorry Xaaaa, but for a person to enjoy or not any certain piece of music it is not required that him/her have any honorary degree on music, nor any particularly refined musical taste that can only be commonly shared by a few.

And yes this re-recording is great, but then i'm an ignorant that is easily impressed. Not a bad thing to be ignorant, because when i go hear a live concert they only ask me at the entrance the tickets of the concert, not if i know what is the C major scale as a requirement to be admitted of listening the music at the concert!

Sorry Sanico, but you didn't even READ my post, it is very clear. A simple reminder that prioves you didn't even take the time to read and understand, the first paragraph:
"Somewhere I do agree that people should not be "obliged" to study music to appreciate it, yet we must observe that most people who didn't learn music and who really appreciate music end up one day learning music one way or another, not always by learning an instrument (some people are experts in music history for example)."
Good night, Sanico. And don't forget to read my other posts, you'll learn something strange by comparing the versions of the Destroyer (Raine vs first recording), there are true differences in the sheet music vs the arrangements (supposedly originals by Poledouris and MCRitchie but in fact arranged lately by the orchestrators hired by Intrada), putting the execution issues aside. Check it out and tell me what you think about it.

.....?!

I have never ever seen anyone question Sanico on her taste in music. And since she is moderator of this section, I think it more likely than not that she did indeed read your post. It just seems she disagrees with you fundamentallly. And that just seeme to rankle you.

I get your point of the differences in orchestration. You have stated that clearly many times now. But for most of us who enjoy the Prometheus set, we just don't really care too much. It IS interesting, and may have a bearing on any decision I make to purchase more of their stuff. But the original ost sucked. And at the time, this was the only way to hear a complete set for Destroyer.

The basic issue to me is that you SEEM derisive towards those who just wanna enjoy the set without putting on the sleuth hats and hunting down every last note. I would like to know the truth of the matter. The written scores may indeed be vastly different. But I seem to recall Prometheus claiming theat Poledouris was initially involved to some degree with the written score for this project. The claim is that these are notes arranged according to Poledouris's personal preferences based on conversations had with him before he passed. We will not ever know the truth of that since the only persons witnessing those conversations are the very persons you claim are lying.. So, how do you **prove** they did not consult Poledouris. How do you *prove* he did not approve of (or even suggest) these changes? I don't see how you can. Certainly, if what Prometheus is claiming is a lie, then they should be called out on it. But they admit openly that there orchestration changes made, but with Poledouris's input.

prioves

*proves.

Show me the definition of "prioves" and I shall revoke this message.

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**prove**

:bearclap:

Where are the Three Billy Goats Gruff when you need them?

Will you lot give it a rest FFS. You've both hijacked a good thread so thanks very much.

I agree, make a hate tread if you want to fight about it.

*proves.

Show me the definition of "prioves" and I shall revoke this message.


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Hey kiddo , "i" and "o" follow each other on the azerty keyboard I was using at that precise moment. Hoooly somkes, an "i" just appeared when pressiong "o" in "proves" , by accident. Death penalty for making a typo mistake?

BIG NEWS, Amanda's original message , BEFORE final editing, had " you SEEM deisive " in her reply. Of course it's "deRisive" now.

Moderators will approve my claim, because that is the version I received in my email.

**DEISIVE** ?? I bet when she read my typo mistake, she quickly corrected hers. HA HA HA HA.

Worse, how the hell is THIS sentence written, O great grammar expert? "But they admit openly that THERE orchestration changes made "

Looks like you and Amanda will have to SWALLOW that pride of yours, and stop this stupid spelling war, because I'd never point out something such as a typo goof to discredit someone's arguments on a precise point, but still you guys make mistakes too and you still dare point me with your puny little finger. THANKS. (end of rant)

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[QUOTE=Amanda;2055756].....?!

I have never ever seen anyone question Sanico on her taste in music. And since she is moderator of this section, I think it more likely than not that she did indeed read your post. It just seems she disagrees with you fundamentallly. And that just seeme to rankle you.

I get your point of the differences in orchestration. You have stated that clearly many times now. But for most of us who enjoy the Prometheus set, we just don't really care too much. It IS interesting, and may have a bearing on any decision I make to purchase more of their stuff. But the original ost sucked. And at the time, this was the only way to hear a complete set for Destroyer.

The basic issue to me is that you SEEM derisive towards those who just wanna enjoy the set without putting on the sleuth hats and hunting down every last note. I would like to know the truth of the matter. The written scores may indeed be vastly different. But I seem to recall Prometheus claiming theat Poledouris was initially involved to some degree with the written score for this project. The claim is that these are notes arranged according to Poledouris's personal preferences based on conversations had with him before he passed. We will not ever know the truth of that since the only persons witnessing those conversations are the very persons you claim are lying.. So, how do you **prove** they did not consult Poledouris. How do you *prove* he did not approve of (or even suggest) these changes? I don't see how you can. Certainly, if what Prometheus is claiming is a lie, then they should be called out on it. But they admit openly that there orchestration changes made, but with Poledouris's input.

I'll reply to each of the underlined parts

1) If you do not care for serious mistakes such as the whole piece going down HALF A TUNE WITHOUT WARNING, everything is said about your appreciation of music.

2) "the original OST SUCKED" Ah so mein Fuhrer? You simply decided that it sucked, but unlike me explaining why, you simply and boldly declare that Poledouris conducting and supervising the first recording of the score ..."sucked". Are you speaking of the orchestra's performance? The audio quality "sucked" only (and if so , did you only have access to a warbly bootleg tape abadoned on a sunny beach)?
IF you think you were obliged to have Prometheus' version, the only understandable excuse would be completism and or curiosity, but not saying it was the only way to have the complete score, because it is NOT the original score as it was written, just a modern version by some guys who want to IMPOSE this as siome sort of "legacy" by Poledouris, when in fact it is only THEIR version, not HIS.

3) PROOF.... ah when I see the word "proof" I laugh. Prometheus simply created an urban legend about the final Prometheus CDs being the "result" of Poledouris' latest notes to rearrange his initial score.
The truth is that probably some people DO have access to Poledouris' personal notes, and probably he may have been contacted by them for future projects concerning Conan OSTs (but now abandoned for obvious reasons) , but if he were really "in the works", Poledouris would HAVE BEEN MENTIONED IN THE "ARRANGEMENT" CREDITS, BUIT HE IS ACTUALLY NOT.
Proof is available buy reading the damn booklet : it is said ion Prometheus' Destroyer booklet
" Orchestrations by Greig McRitchie, Jack Smalley and Steven Scott Smalley ;
New Score and Parts preparation by Tony Mikulka;
Final Score Proof Reading : Leigh Phillips "

NEW SCORE & PARTS means exactly what it means: new parts have been arranged and re-orchestrated /rearranged according to the TASTES of Prometheus executives and perhaps even Raine.
Final score proof reading means that the rearranged score has to be revised, in other words, Poledouris' version orchestrated by McRicthie & firends is NOT in use here (it was ALREADY proof read in the past), it is the NEW version which needs proof reading , but even then something weird happened and the original tempo just disappeared amongst other oddities.

What startles me, is that you didn't read this proof, either because you had access to the downloadable version or perhaps you simply never gave a damn about reading the booklet.

Oh and for your info, Prometheus NEVER publicized nor "admitted" to rearrange the score, quite the opposite, again for legal reasons, they do "admit" in some way, but only in the credits, by not citing Poledouris for the new arrangements and by citing the people really responsible for this mess , without any commentary , OF COURSE.

4) "new orchestrations made with Poledouris' INPUT" ? If he had ANY input whatsoever, he would be in the credits for the new orchestrations, in the lines of "with the HELP of regretted B.Poledouris" or "BASED ON IDEAS by B. Poledouris" or "BASED ON ORIGINAL NOTES by B. Poledouris"
For LEGAL reasons, Prometheus did NOT write this in the credits, guess why.
Commercially you can claim all kinds of things especially concerning deceased artists , but what is important in court is what's mentioned in the official "credits" (or on the "ingredients" label, there are all kinds of examples in the food supplement industry).
"YES, we asked the BEST to participate in this laborious project, we had to cast all kinds of people during decades only for your pleasure and the artist before dying told us this and that" and finally in the credits we recognize no one famous in the who's who of orchestrations , only some pal of the execs who "did the job" an no sign of Poledouris anywhere except in the original OST used as a role model before rearranging, and worse, the pace proposed in the new versions does not coincide with ANY version ever played live by Poledouris , you can check this with anyone who's collected his performances on VHS or youtube etc. If Poledouris wanted the OST played much slower, he would have instructed himself the musicians during his live performances in various countries.

PS: I do make mistakes when typing , but look at yours, miss, it's written in bold letters. Where did "were" disappear, did you eat it?

With all due respect, I really think Xaa is right when he says that Prometheus created an urban legend. Poledouris never stated he was unhappy with BARBARIAN. Ford Thaxton and James Fitzpatrick are clearly lying. And, if not, they are being disrespectful to Poledouris' memory by exposing this information.

That said, I confess that I enjoy a lot the rerecording (thank you, Amanda!) especially because of the 'unreleased' cues - the rerecording also offers a new light and perspective, but a few weeks ago I made a selection from the Prometheus' BARBARIAN with exactly the same tracklist of Varese and, guess what... the original performance sounds to me very superior.

I'm pretty sure Intrada's CONAN will be the last word. Only Poledouris can beat himself.

BIG NEWS, Amanda's original message , BEFORE final editing, had " you SEEM deisive " in her reply. Of course it's "deRisive" now.

Moderators will approve my claim, because that is the version I received in my email.

**DEISIVE** ?? I bet when she read my typo mistake, she quickly corrected hers. HA HA HA HA.

Worse, how the hell is THIS sentence written, O great grammar expert? "But they admit openly that THERE orchestration changes made "

Looks like you and Amanda will have to SWALLOW that pride of yours, and stop this stupid spelling war, because I'd never point out something such as a typo goof to discredit someone's arguments on a precise point, but still you guys make mistakes too and you still dare point me with your puny little finger. THANKS. (end of rant)

I don't recall ever really dogging anyone for typos or spelling errors. I make them all the time. Sometimes I catch them and edit, sometimes not. I don't see what that has to do with anything. I haven't posted (or read) this thread for weeks. WTF?

I....really have no other opinion. At this point I don't see the point of the argument, and don't understand the anger. I had not read whole post previously, but I ...typos, caps lock? Nothing new. I said nothing ragarding your grammer, so I just don't get the anger?

Its funny Xaa (or however many fucking A's it is), you have good points but then you make yourself into an asshole between every point.

Xaaaa, you've made your point and we all understand that. Some agree with you and there are others who disagree, it's normal on a message board, even more in a conversation over a subjective thing in which music is.

But you don't need to remind us again always in every 1-2 weeks, repeating the same things and worse than that, doing it on a personal level.
You can give your opinion(s), but there's a line that separates valid criticisms to flame posts, but you most of the times break that line doing it in a rude and uncalled level towards other members, even when you have some good points on your side.
You are free to have your opinion, but you need to accept others opinions too the same way as you would want others to respect yours, otherwise no one will hear you.

I think it's time to move on, and this applies to all of us, is that it's not worth the time when a conversation is at this point reached on so negative levels that there's not much more to say that has not already been said before.

To finish in an advise, and now speaking as a moderator, i won't tolerate anymore and anyone on this topic more flaming posts, insults and rant, otherwise the ban button might start rolling.

I am amongst the grammatically incorrect typo-ists, what people did i get myself into with?!!?
Ah, yes. The ones who also have a liking for "Pontypool".

FFS, TAKE IT ELSEWHERE PEOPLE.

News from the Doug Fake:


Hear ye, one and all. Nothing to lose sleep over. EVERY piece of music in the movie appears on our 3-disc set, all delivered under Poledouris' baton in a reading of raw intensity and primitive fury unmatched in any other performance. We're talking some 110 minutes or so of actual soundtrack music, newly-mixed from the complete 2" 24-track session masters PLUS numerous cues deleted from the re-recording such as: the striking tam-tam, low piano and percussion pieces ("Freedom Council" where Conan is turned loose from captivity, "Warpaint" where he prepares for battle), the drinking music before he's summoned to Osric ("Indulgence/Mettle") and the fire music prior to meeting the "Wolf Witch". You'll also find both Basil's original unused music for the snake fight, based on his gladiator "Pit Fights" music and Milius' preferred film version of "Las Cantigas De Santa Maria" that was used instead.

If that's not enough you'll find an early unused "Prologue", three different percussion loops written as alternates for the council meeting, a rejected and strikingly different "Anvil Of Crom" with trumpets doubling the horns in extremely high registers, an alternate "Battle Of The Mounds", unused versions of the entire "Children Of Doom" sequence written for mezzo-soprano with chamber orchestra as well as for female choir with harp (including a gorgeous, never-before-heard bridge passage for woodwinds), a complete re-construction from Universal's paperwork of the film-edited version of the kitchen battle ("The Defilers") and the similarly edited "End Title" music, the complete original Poledouris album assembly for MCA Records...

AND...

An "extra" of the complete "Prologue/Anvil Of Crom" sequence featuring our beloved Mako speaking that immortal opening, "When the oceans drank Atlantis... ." We wouldn't dream of leaving that off. You dear listeners get to have your cake and eat it, too.

(Oh, and yes, you get Arnold on the cover.)
--Doug

P.S. And patience, please, as we dot the 'i's" and cross the "t's" in our packaging. We're as anxious as you to play this beauty. (Ok, yes, we can play it now... but we want you to be able to play it, too.)

This is going to be the best fuckin' release in years and I'm so looking forward to this. I love it that they'll have the instrumental prologue as well as with Mako's narration.

This one can't come soon enough! If there is any one score i will buy, THIS is the one.

I dare say this will be most everyone's and my number one for sure.

Here's possibly more info than you'd want but - yes - playing just the horn tracks during "Anvil" was chilling but, keep in mind, while 24-track masters do have individual instruments (flutes on one track, tuba on another, so forth) and various positions (overhead, left orchestra, right orchestra, etc.), the instrument assignments to their respective mikes also reflect the seating arrangement within the orchestra. As such, while you primarily hear oboes on their own track you also hear the instruments immediately to the right, left and back of them as well. You can re-mix everything and get certain details otherwise not evident with a mix from some thirty years ago, but you can't do crazy exaggerated things without damaging the overall orchestral sound as originally captured.

Raising the trombones during the battle music might seem like a cool idea but it would also raise the trumpet players right behind them, and the tuba player to their left, throwing stuff out of balance. Yes, you can draw a little more out of them, but you still need to take the overall positions into consideration, which means your model is still what Basil and his engineers initially captured. In other words, please don't listen now for flute players to get up and walk over to the right or triangle players to move up in front of the orchestra and stuff like that... unless the engineers seemed to want that effect.

Okay, truth be told, in a few places we couldn't help but subtly raise the level of the contra-bassoon and metallic percussion in a couple of key spots on some of the previously unreleased cues since the resulting sound itself was so awesome. But you can figure this is still "Basil's mix." All we did was blend all of those individual tracks into brand new two-track stereo mixes that are quieter and crisper, if you will, compared to what the analog mixes achieved back then. But the raw power and intensity of those sessions, especially the unique sounds from the variety of live percussion effects, was always on the tapes. Perhaps not quite as vivid as they are now but they were there. A better way of putting it is that we just "enhanced" their clarity.

One major advantage with 24-track elements, of course, is that if a snare drum player bumps a stick against the stand, you can work on reducing the noise just on that track alone without adversely affecting the overall sound. In this regard, it is possible to remove unwanted room noises and even patch and replace wrong notes for single instruments... but it still requires judicious thinking or we'd just be trying to re-do the performance. Perish the thought.

Of course, going back to the original multi-tracks also means you're using the actual first generation tape stock that was used to record the sessions. It doesn't get any better than going back to the actual source.
--Doug

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Anything new? Anyone??/

Anything new? Anyone??/

No, nothing :(

This is killing me...the waiting...

Looks like this next Tuesday, the 27th, Intrada will finally release the 3CD set.

Check out this site - some info a trio of samples:

Conan chez Intrada : extraits et tracklisting �UnderScores : le magazine de la musique de film (http://www.underscores.fr/index.php/2012/11/news-conan-chez-intrada-extraits-et-tracklisting/)

YESSSS!!!!! :D :D :D Finally the wait is over!!

I'm looking forward to it :D

After Hook, Ben-Hur, Star Trek TMP, North by Northwest and now Conan, arguably any of them an highlight of each composer, 2012 marks as the best year for soundtrack releases in my opinion.

I must buy this. Hope they don't run out before I'm able to

ALL HAIL CROM!!! SWEET!! (Happy Dance)

I must buy this. Hope they don't run out before I'm able to

It's one of Intrada's "MAF" releases (Mary Ann Fake), meaning: unlimited.

27th? SWEET. Off to Tower Records on Tuesday, then!

See, now this is why sharing here is fun...

The Prometheus release of the re-recorded Conan was cool--technical issues aside. Hearing the orchestration intended is great. So, the Destroyer will be fab too.

**But**, having the original score, as heard, is great too. But, There is no way I can get all of them.....

AGREED!!!! just try to imagine listening to a "re done" version of Horner's Battle Beyond the Stars....Yes it COULD sound better done by people who know how to play their instrments, but would it REALLY give you the feel of the movie....not likely.....give me the originals, warts and all!

You wouldn't have to worry about them running out, anyway. Intrada's new policy is to produce as many as meet the demand. If an album undersells, they cancel it. If it oversells, they'll make more. Either way, if you want one, you'll get one. You don't have to worry about stalking the site Monday afternoons anymore to get an album the second it gets posted so that you don't miss it.

They change their policy because of what happened with Goldsmith's The Explorers. They posted it on a holiday, when many people weren't at a computer to order it, and it sold out immediately, angering many people who couldn't get on the net to order it. They immediately announced they would make more, and changed their policy to prevent that from happening again.

Well, a re-recording of BBtS, with a larger and more competent orchestra, has arguably already been made; it's called Star Trek II. ;)

Having said that, I really don't give a toss about the feel of the movie; especially if the movie is crap. If I want the feel of the movie, I go to watch the movie.

What I want is for the music to be presented in the best possible light. BBtS *is* great music - regardless of its regurgitation in just about every subsequent Horner score, and regardless of the monstrosity of a "film" it was written for. Conan, likewise, is a great score - that is, notes on manuscript paper - and stands perfectly well when divorced from its film context.

I think I will, however, end up preferring the Intrada. For all of its flaws, it's a powerful and spirited performance and, even in the original notoriously poor quality release, a respectable recording. The CoPP recording is unlistenable for anybody with more than a passing concern for technical quality. The performance is undeniably better than in these original recordings, but technical mastery isn't everything.

Rough around the edges but spirited, well recorded performance, conducted by Poledouris himself... versus technically immaculate but lifeless and clinical, atrociously engineered disaster, mastered by an idiot, produced by a deaf man, conducted by skilled but unremarkable jobbing freelancer... Well, no competition, really. Bring on the Intrada.

They may have changed their policy, but it has not stopped titled from going OOP quickly. All it's done is reversed things.

Whereas before things people wanted sold out quickly and others that were poorer sellers, lingered, no popular ones linger and poorer sellers go away quickly from Intrada simply discontinuing titles that aren't selling enough. They've done this almost as much as in the previous limited number era. Different approach, same difference.

Recent titled that's being discontinued there on December 4th: "Brotherhood of the Bell" (Goldsmith).

Guess a great score like that can't pull in the same numbers as a Les Baxter bore.

Thanks for the info on the release-type of this one. Whew, not limited. Good news!

It's available to order now for those who want to buy it. Luckily, it is a MAF title, which means it will be around for awhile.

CONAN THE BARBARIAN (3CD) (http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.7716/.f)

Ordered.

Ordered! :)

Bought !


... No, I'm joking. A must buy anyway. I hope it is good. I'm not fully convinced by what I've heard from the samples so far. Not bad, but still. Looks like the sound is designed like their Robocop release, so I'm still wondering about the now usual claim that it "sounds as it is supposed to sound"...

Now, very good tracklist, but here again I'm amazed that with 3-CD's, rather than offering a compilation of the old album almost every one has anyway, they haven't provided the wonderful construction of the score through many alternates takes as they stated they found. A bit like an ultimate archive collection.

The will to please everybody makes weird things happen.

They may have changed their policy, but it has not stopped titled from going OOP quickly. All it's done is reversed things.

Whereas before things people wanted sold out quickly and others that were poorer sellers, lingered, no popular ones linger and poorer sellers go away quickly from Intrada simply discontinuing titles that aren't selling enough. They've done this almost as much as in the previous limited number era. Different approach, same difference.

Recent titled that's being discontinued there on December 4th: "Brotherhood of the Bell" (Goldsmith).

Guess a great score like that can't pull in the same numbers as a Les Baxter bore.

Brotherhood of the Bell was a year old if I remember correctly. Plenty of time for you to decide if it is some thing you want and order it. The point of the new policy was to avoid things like Explorers when the release sells out in a day or two. It isn't like the secondary market is particularly strong anyway. So if you missed something like Brotherhood of the Bell you can still get it on Ebay without paying too much.

Still yes, Conan isn't going to be gone in a week and will most likely be around for quite some time.

Ordered. Been looking forward to this for awhile.

I can't get this one yet because I'm in Australia and moving house very soon and it won't get here before I move. I'll order it in the new year though because it's not a limited edition so I am safe there.

I'm not fully convinced by what I've heard from the samples so far. Not bad, but still. Looks like the sound is designed like their Robocop release, so I'm still wondering about the now usual claim that it "sounds as it is supposed to sound"...

Well, I think setting one's expectations too high will cause great disappointment; particularly with this release.

The fact is that this score, in every area with the exception of composition, was an exercise in low budget corner-cutting penny-pinching. No amount of remastering can (or should) disguise the piss-poor, under-rehearsed orchestra. It's not going to suddenly sound like it was recorded by Eric Tomlinson at Abbey Road, nor is the Italian Alcoholics Amateur Municipal Band conducted by Les Dawson going to suddenly sound like the London Symphony Orchestra. It is what it is; a cheap, atrociously performed score recorded with a Z-list orchestra in inadequate studio facilities.

I still think it's going to beat the living daylights out of the Prometheus... :)

By the way, I wholeheartedly approve of your avatar. :D

Ordered!!!

CONAN THE BARBARIAN (3CD) (http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.7716/.f)

... and ordered :D

Man, that was harsh...

Just orderd mine...AT LAST!
Hope I�ll get it beferore X-max here in Germany.

Just gave a listen to the excerpts on Intrada: Holy shit! This is the right stuff!!!
Great!!

Best
stn

ordered...!!!

Well, I think setting one's expectations too high will cause great disappointment; particularly with this release.

The fact is that this score, in every area with the exception of composition, was an exercise in low budget corner-cutting penny-pinching. No amount of remastering can (or should) disguise the piss-poor, under-rehearsed orchestra. It's not going to suddenly sound like it was recorded by Eric Tomlinson at Abbey Road, nor is the Italian Alcoholics Amateur Municipal Band conducted by Les Dawson going to suddenly sound like the London Symphony Orchestra. It is what it is; a cheap, atrociously performed score recorded with a Z-list orchestra in inadequate studio facilities.

I still think it's going to beat the living daylights out of the Prometheus... :)


... I don't know. I'm listening to new samples (see Big E's link below your post) and it looks it depends on the tracks. Wait and see then. Sometimes noisy and grainy, sometimes neat.

But I'm sure newly (and 1st time!) backed up 24-track should allow high standart sound restoration... But what am I asking there ?!!! Silly me !

EDIT: wow ! Big difference between the mp3 I first heard and the M3u from the site. Ok, no doubt there's a convertion fukwit here. Can't wait to listen to the real CD then.



By the way, I wholeheartedly approve of your avatar. :D

Gosh ! Yours always bugged me, and I was sure I knew that kind of drawing and character. Only yesterday I stood up of a stroke when I saw your avatar and stretched my arm into my DVD's just above my head... Haha ! I never found the time to watch those GR series. So, both a wink to you and a reminder for me. ;)

I was sure that wasn't a man, but had no proof, lol.

... Wow ! haven't seen that. Best choice, definitely approved.





Kudos.

I did not ordered...yet. I'll be waiting when the new Home Alone 2 will be available for order on SAE, and then buying the two sets. Hope i'll get them before Christmas.
I never had Conan and HA2 on CD before, so i'll be getting these two and i'm done of buying any more CD's this year.

I'm not worried about the mastering. The rough sound of the original recording is one of the things that makes this score so unique. It's as if an old record from a long lost civilixation was discovered, if that makes any sense :p
Sure that there's always a risk that in the mastering process the sound is pushed to the loudness, but at this point i can trust Intrada. They've been working on this for quite some time to make everything correct.

So far the only letdown for me is the place where the track 'Las Cantigas De Santa Maria' is located.
I really like that track on the re-recording, but on that set the track comes earlier between 'Hopefuls at the Tower Of Set' and 'Infidels', while in the Intrada edition it is placed at the end of disc 2 as an extra track, but probably there's a reason for this.

So far the only letdown for me is the place where the track 'Las Cantigas De Santa Maria' is located.
I really like that track on the re-recording, but on that set the track comes earlier between 'Hopefuls at the Tower Of Set' and 'Infidels', while in the Intrada edition it is placed at the end of disc 2 as an extra track, but probably there's a reason for this.

The Clemencic recording just sounds awesome as usual, and I doubt they'd dared touching it, no reason. What I hope is that they provided the choirs / chants for that track.

... It's possible both of us won't be disappointed, cause the 5'48 timing of the CD1 "Tower of Set" cue matches rather with the film version. The bonus one is shorter, like on the unused version heard on the re-recording if I don' mistake, but maybe I do. So maybe they just provided the original Clemencic version as a bonus. Dunno.

Gonna wait until January, hopefully some birthday money can go towards the purchase.

I'm curious as to what their sales are on this? And to see if/when they'll do Destroyer...

Same.


Gonna wait until January, hopefully some birthday money can go towards the purchase.

Gonna wait until January, hopefully some birthday money can go towards the purchase.

I'd prefer it gift-wrapped, for obvious reasons. ;)

I'm curious as to what their sales are on this? And to see if/when they'll do Destroyer...

Destroyer will be released but only in a limited edition:
While neither title has a release date set, Conan the Barbarian is expected to be added to the label�s unlimited MAF collection, with a limited Destroyer expected to follow.

Check the Intrada announcement in the original post :)

Thanks Sanico for the 411

Ordered last night :)
I'm glad to have both, Prometheus one for the my ears and to feel the original monumental epicness of Polidouris' intentions, and this one for the nostalgia.
Both are essential for Conan fans I think

ordered also :)
but shipping to Europe takes a horrible loooooooong time ! :(
The first one who posts this als FLAC's (320 kps mp3 is also good) here, i will kiss his/her feet !!!!!
:) :)

The first one who posts this als FLAC's (320 kps VBR mp3 is also good) here, i will kiss his/her feet !!!!!
:) :)

:this:

Has anyone received his copy yet? If so, can you post it in FLAC? Sorry, but I just can't wait to listen to this. Since I live in Europe it will take a couple of days more to reach me here :D

Has anyone received his copy yet? If so, can you post it in FLAC? Sorry, but I just can't wait to listen to this. Since I live in Europe it will take a couple of days more to reach me here :D

Patience is a vertue ;) I'm in Europe too. not knowing when I'll get it is part of the pleasure for me... if it's not too long though

I'll kiss their feet whatever they post because I have a foot fetish.

I'll probably regret posting that tomorrow but fuck it, I'm drunk and depressed, so what the hell.

Crom, grant me one request. Make someone post FLAC of new INTRADA release soon :D

I'll kiss their feet whatever they post because I have a foot fetish.
.

What about high-heeled shoes? Would you kiss high-heels too?
That is also a nice type of fetishism to boot.....

:erm:

:awsm:

What about high-heeled shoes? Would you kiss high-heels too?
That is also a nice type of fetishism to boot.....

I'll kiss whatever you want dear !!! :) :)

I'll kiss whatever you want dear !!! :) :)

First of all I am not a woman (haha!) and secondly I don't have Intrada's Conan.
I just suggested high-heeled shoes fetishism because it's simply neat (aside from the foot fetishism)!



I would lick the shoe-sole of these divine GML pumps squeaky-clean, if someone was to provide a VBR V0 rip for Conan!!!
Gianmarco Lorenzi stiletto - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHIWWkzGOWE)

Yes that is right folks, I am contended with a VBR V0 rip.....

Crom says: Rip it and post it.

What about high-heeled shoes? Would you kiss high-heels too?
That is also a nice type of fetishism to boot.....

Hell yes, although I'm more interested in what's in the heels rather than the heels themselves. :P

On another note, please buy this bloody thing, folks. It's not like you don't know what Conan sounds like. This release has been so much work for Intrada and we've all been waiting for it for years.

It arrived today, and I must say the difference in everything I have heard up to this point...pales in comparison. This is without a doubt the finest soundtrack I own, Anvil of Crom alone will shake you to your very core...I am just amazed. 30 years and well worth the wait indeed.

Hell yes, although I'm more interested in what's in the heels rather than the heels themselves. :P


Brother you're da man!
Actually I am interested in both, as long as the feet are clean, with natural beauty and unpolished toenails (French pedicure or somethin). I really don't dig polished nails in general, as much as I don't dig dirty feet in divine high-heeled shoes......

Track 13 of the 3rd disc is new release and not on any previous release. It is the
13. Prologue (W/Narration)/Anvil Of Crom 3:39


Can anyone post it?

---------- Post added at 02:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:58 PM ----------

Also the 3rd disc is a reprint of the original Milan publication NOT the banned Varese Sarabande release. Milan is 12 tracks and Varese Sarabande is 16.

Want !

Want !


Posted! In 320m in a dedicated thread, and on the hunt thread. Op also has FLAC via pm. Go fetch.

Track 13 of the 3rd disc is new release and not on any previous release. It is the
13. Prologue (W/Narration)/Anvil Of Crom 3:39


Can anyone post it?

---------- Post added at 02:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:58 PM ----------

Also the 3rd disc is a reprint of the original Milan publication NOT the banned Varese Sarabande release. Milan is 12 tracks and Varese Sarabande is 16.

The intro was previously available. It is on the 2010 re-recording.
The 2010 re-recording was made with a well-rehearsed orchestra that was big enough to handle the size and complexity of the score (which Poledouris said wasn't the case in the '82 sessions). And I have heard the Intrada release - at best it provides a few cues not previously available (but the intro isn't one of them), but the quality of sound, clarity and just plain power doesn't compare to the 2010 re-recording. That doesn't mean it isn't a special release.

But music is far too subjective for us to take sides. The best we can do is share our feelings. I am happy for those getting so much enjoyment. For me, the 2010 re-recoding had changed how I viewed scores from that point on. It is a masterful recording of my favorite score.

It is an interesting side by side listen. The main thing is that all of the unreleased material, previously only on the re-recording, are here in all their original glory. And, there is material not on the 2010 release as well. The 2010 release is technically better, I agree. But it dos not sound as...aggressive as the original. The 2010 set feels like Conan laid back. I would be hard pressed to choose only one to have. The 2010 release may be clearer and more proficient, but certainly the original is more powerful, to me.

It is so good reading people sharing their feelings about the music here. :)

I haven't DL'd it, and you know, the lack of patience of some is killing the world enough. The "I want it now" thing is also what kills this forum...


Amanda, I've read an unanswered question from you about the track from "Las Cantiguas de Santa Maria" (and not "Catigas" please ! :)). I don't know if I'm answering to it the way you want it though... The full track used in the film, with choirs added to the Clemencic Consort recording (1977 I think) is an edited version with a huge part of it looped. It is not that noticeable as the choirs themselves evolute through the cue. I read you speak about different sound quality, but I don't know. What I can say is that those rare recordings from Clemencic Corsort (wich I own) have been digitally released by Harmonia Mundi in the late nineties and it was the only time we could witness their awesome sound on CD for it. But the version of the film uses a vinyl recording (or does it comes from the vinyl master ?) over wich the choirs have been recorded. Unfortunately this was done on the original Conan master (wich should be the one you find here) on an altered speeded version of the Clemencic music... old material !... So we could only hope they would remaster the isolate choirs with the edited digital version of this recording, wich can be still tricky cause you'd have to alter the speed of the choirs to paste them precisely.

So if you have a "bad sounding" sounding track of 6'20", as I think you stated, this is the master recording of the choirs + bad analogue transfer from that time, with its huge part looped (wich makes it longer than the original... It still has an edited out part around the end). To do it... well... "well"... I would have proposed to alter the digital recording from Harmonia mundi to preserve the choirs as recorded, and would have delivered it that way, "remastered". Speed alteration for speed alteration, at least it would sound pristine unless the choirs wouldn't fit at all sound-wise, wich the engineers should have adressed in addition. Anyway, I only hope the choirs are in stereo and not in mono, because inded that would sound very bad.

... hope it answers.

Greetings everyone!

I, like many of you, am an enormously gigantic Conan the Barbarian (film) fanatic! So it goes without saying that upon hearing of the new Intrada release that I would gladly tackle old ladies to the ground in hopes of getting my hands on the 3 Disc soundtrack. While I absolutely love the complete and remastered music I couldn't help but feel a tad disappointed in ONE track. "The Defilers" had the potential to be astonishing but I found myself whispering "What the f*ck"...while listening to it. Why would they simply tack on the full version of "Anvil of Crom" to what was supposed to be a reprisal battle cue? Sure it might have been edited the way we hear it in the film during post production but I would've preferred Intrada omit that track entirely if that's what they were going to do. It simply ruins the flow and should have been edited the way it was heard in the film. The Prague Philharmonic Orchestra got THAT right on their release.

Anyway, I LOVE the Intrada release beyond words but I took the liberty of editing a more DEFINITIVE version of what we're all familiar with.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SchLEij70r4

Greetings everyone!

I, like many of you, am an enormously gigantic Conan the Barbarian (film) fanatic! So it goes without saying that upon hearing of the new Intrada release that I would gladly tackle old ladies to the ground in hopes of getting my hands on the 3 Disc soundtrack. While I absolutely love the complete and remastered music I couldn't help but feel a tad disappointed in ONE track. "The Defilers" had the potential to be astonishing but I found myself whispering "What the f*ck"...while listening to it. Why would they simply tack on the full version of "Anvil of Crom" to what was supposed to be a reprisal battle cue? Sure it might have been edited the way we hear it in the film during post production but I would've preferred Intrada omit that track entirely if that's what they were going to do. It simply ruins the flow and should have been edited the way it was heard in the film. The Prague Philharmonic Orchestra got THAT right on their release.

Anyway, I LOVE the Intrada release beyond words but I took the liberty of editing a more DEFINITIVE version of what we're all familiar with.

Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBYOU6xDYbQ

Yes, that's the version ! :)
i also was a little bit concerned abot the editing on the Intrada release ! Good Work.
Any possibility to get your Version as Flac or mp3. Would be awesome !

@ Dungeon Mud...you must post this edit. Outstanding editing job!

Did nobody noticed the album on CD3 sounds awesome ? Looks like they restored it... It is flawless next to the MCA/Milan CD's while these flaws are still on their counterparts on CD1 & 2. Exemples: the saturated 2nd part of Battle of the Mounds, the scratch @ 3'31 of the Wheel of Pain, and so on... The mixing looks so good on this short album now.

I guess another thing that I'm sort of disappointed with regarding the Intrada release is that the "Anvil of Crom" tracks don't sound the same as they do in the movie. I'm not sure if Basil Poledouris conducted and recorded all the music tracks a second time for the purposes of the album but the versions in the movie are a tad faster and far more bombastic and ferocious than the slower version heard on all the CD releases. Again, this is probably something that was done in post production but it still would've been nice to have the version heard in the film. I feel like I'm nitpicking about gold here.

... Faster ? Are you sure you don't compare with a Pal version ?


I feel like I'm nitpicking about gold here.

Not at all, you're right asking questions. I've got a load too, mostly about the mixing. Like for exemple the averag-ish to poor stereo image on this 2-CD next to the album (the best exemple being the Orgy).

Here's another edit I made for Battle of the Mounds/Day of Doom as heard in the film.

Conan the Barbarian: The Definitive Score - Battle of the Mounds/Day of Doom - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKYAruk_BPM)

Hi Dungeon Mud,
Wow. I haven't yet listened to the score in full yet and was wondering what you were on about so I just played The Defilers and....WTF? Why would Intrada do this?

Several years ago I made a film version of what is now "The Defilers" and I will be keeping this and using this in place of Intrada's version. I'll repost it shortly as a seperate track and with The Kitchen And Orgy as well.


Greetings everyone!

I, like many of you, am an enormously gigantic Conan the Barbarian (film) fanatic! So it goes without saying that upon hearing of the new Intrada release that I would gladly tackle old ladies to the ground in hopes of getting my hands on the 3 Disc soundtrack. While I absolutely love the complete and remastered music I couldn't help but feel a tad disappointed in ONE track. "The Defilers" had the potential to be astonishing but I found myself whispering "What the f*ck"...while listening to it. Why would they simply tack on the full version of "Anvil of Crom" to what was supposed to be a reprisal battle cue? Sure it might have been edited the way we hear it in the film during post production but I would've preferred Intrada omit that track entirely if that's what they were going to do. It simply ruins the flow and should have been edited the way it was heard in the film. The Prague Philharmonic Orchestra got THAT right on their release.

Anyway, I LOVE the Intrada release beyond words but I took the liberty of editing a more DEFINITIVE version of what we're all familiar with.

Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBYOU6xDYbQ

I was going to upload the the links for my track edits of The Defilers however Rapidshare has changed and I can't work it out now.

I was going to upload the the links for my track edits of The Defilers however Rapidshare has changed and I can't work it out now.

Try Zippyshare.com - Free File Hosting (http://www.zippyshare.com/)

Thanks for the tip, Calidoran. Here's the link to my film version edits of The Defilers.

Zippyshare.com - The Kitchen, The Orgy and The Defilers.rar (http://www14.zippyshare.com/v/89282724/file.html)

There are actually 2 files here. One with just The Defilers by itself and another with it combined with The Orgy.

Thanks for the tip, Calidoran. Here's the link to my film version edits of The Defilers.

Zippyshare.com - The Kitchen, The Orgy and The Defilers.rar (http://www14.zippyshare.com/v/89282724/file.html)

... and i'm on it :) thanks

When will they use the word "Complete" fairly ?...

Conan -Czech version - music cue - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx62qCH_WI4)