I like the majority of FF games and FFX was my absolute favorite. FFX-2 was a bit of a shocker when it came out but in all honesty i didnt mind playing it, putting aside all the charlies angels bull crap.

Anyways the debate i have is over "How you would redo FFX-2 if you didnt like it or if you think it could have been better?"

Answer: In my opinion. I think instead of doing FFX-2 through the point of view of the gullwings, and the after story, it should have been done with a prequel of Braska's adventure along with Auron and Jecht. A lot of their story seems untouched and it would be great to play a game that goes through their sides of the story. not to mention you could use the final aeon in the end as well as braska's abilities and Jecht's. This is just my opinion however but i would like to hear anyone elses as well

as we already know how that comes out.

I quite frankly don't know what else the game could be about but what it was about.You could argue that maybe they should have included some guys in the party even as temporary guest party members and maybe had Leblanc be more of a hard core villian along the lines of Ultimecia as opposed to the goofball she was.

I was never a fan of FF X, but I think the sequel was fun, I mean I think it's a game you really can't take extremely seriously. I had fun playing it, even played more than once. But yeah it would have been nice too use KImahri for a while, or Wakka or whoever, maybe even someone like Nooj/Baralai/Gippal or EVEN Lucil or Elma or SOMEONE. I mean having only 3 characters gets kinda boring after some time.

I just have 1 question on the Braska/Jecht/Auron thing, cuz I played FF X soooo long ago and can't really remember some stuff: is it ever explained how the F did Jecht get to Spira?

I just have 1 question on the Braska/Jecht/Auron thing, cuz I played FF X soooo long ago and can't really remember some stuff: is it ever explained how the F did Jecht get to Spira?

The fayth...or something. Tidus just says that Jecht went on a ship and never came back. I think it had something to do with the fayth in Dream Zanarkand dreaming up Jecht and Tidus so that Tidus could finally defeat the final aeon and Yu Yevon and finally bring them to rest. Don't quote me on that though, I'm not an expert.

As for the topic of the thread, I think that the only sequel that I'd ever want to see would be the prequel of Braska's journey. But that too would probably only be three controllable characters. And again, we'd have a stupid dunce from Zanarkand who didn't know anything about Spira, and Auron and Braska would just be teaching him the same things we already found out in FFX. Plus, we know how all three meet, we know how the relationships between them pan out, and we know how the situation ended, so it's kind of unnecessary. We know that they wouldn't be able to beat Sin. They'd probably have to create another side enemy (as Seymour was in FFX), and that probably would just seem arbitrary. I think that the real FFX-2 was fine, even though I thought the whole Vegnagun/Shuyin thing was completely contrived. I like the idea of a prequel, but like Angrywolf said, it is kind of unnecessary--although probably a lot of fun gameplay-wise.

Final Fantasy X-2 set several precedents in the Final Fantasy series aside from being the first direct sequel in video game form and the second sequel in the franchise, after the anime Final Fantasy: Legend of the Crystals. It was the first game in the series to feature only three playable characters, an all-female main cast, and early access to most of the game's locations. Additionally, it featured a variation of the character classes system�one of the series' classic gameplay concepts�and is one of the few games in the series to feature multiple endings. Finally, it was the first Final Fantasy game in the series that didn't have any musical contributions in it from longtime composer Nobuo Uematsu.

This should be in the FFX-2 subforum, not general FF. In any event, X-2 should be thrown into the abyss and never referred to again.

This should be in the FFX-2 subforum, not general FF. In any event, X-2 should be thrown into the abyss and never referred to again.


I actually think it's a very solid RPG. The battle system is amazing (much better than FFX) and harkens back to the FFV job system via the dress spheres.

Yes the story was shit, the characters were no different. But I still have a major crush on Balarai and enjoyed grinding out everyone and aiming for 100%


...Then again I think whoever thought of combining Gears of War and RPG (otherwise known as Mass Effect) should be shot :P

the Battle System was amazing, no doubt probly the best I've seen out there (along with X and IX). yeah Baralai was awesome :P

And regarding the job system, I kinda liked it more as it was for example in FF IX, each character had a set job and couldn't drift away from it, it was amazing.

I actually think it's a very solid RPG. The battle system is amazing (much better than FFX) and harkens back to the FFV job system via the dress spheres.

Yes the story was shit, the characters were no different. But I still have a major crush on Balarai and enjoyed grinding out everyone and aiming for 100%

X-2 was a damn abomination... and there was nothing special about FFX for it to warrant a sequel. Fan service was what sold X-2, nothing more, nothing less.


...Then again I think whoever thought of combining Gears of War and RPG (otherwise known as Mass Effect) should be shot :P

... are we going to have a arguement over this?

...Then again I think whoever thought that Mass Effect was the combination Gears of War and RPG should be shot :P

Fix'd...

Mass Effect is the best series that BioWare ever pulled.

... are we going to have a argument over this?

Not at all. You hate X-2, I loathe Mass Effect. That is all.

Not at all. You hate X-2, I loathe Mass Effect. That is all.

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. However, speaking as someone who has finished both with 100% complete, Mass Effect is superior to X-2 in almost every way. X-2 didn't need to be made at all, as all it was is fan service (and if people think otherwise, that's their choice but to me, they're just deluding themselves). If Hironobu Sakaguchi was still with SE at the time of X-2, he wouldn't of allowed it to be made, same with the FFVII/XII compilation, as he envisioned each FF to be a whole story in themselves, with no need for prequels/sequels etc.

At least Mass Effect was original (in a sense) and as a western RPG/ARPG, I felt it was aimed at a more mature market, as JRPG's haven't changed much over the years. Young moody protaganist, joined with a bunch of misfits, with some vague goal to accomplish. Don't get me wrong, I did enjoy JRPG's when I was younger... However over the years, I've grown disenchanted with JRPG's as a whole, and do prefer WRPG's (With some exceptions... couldn't get into Elder Scrolls... But I admit, I'm a fan of BioWare and their games).

Still... to each their own. The FF series, to me that is, went downhill with X... the FF series needs to be taken out behind the shed and put out of it's misery, as the recent installments (not including XI or XIV.. as they are MMORPG's, and they're a different beast altogether), haven't been as good as the earlier ones.

Come on, FF12 is way better than FFX, so the series is hardly just getting worse as time goes on. And Hiranobu Sakaguchi's opinions count for nothing these days, if Lost Odyssesy is anything to go by.

I also disagree that FFX-2 is just fanservice. I *hate* FFX with an absolute vengeance, but I love FFX-2. It actually seems that most people either like one or the other of FFX and FFX-2. The only fanservice moment that I remember is that you can resurrect Tidus - which I earned the right to do, but then refused, as I despise that character!

The fans of FFX are the ones who complain the loudest about FFX-2. And I'm not unsympathetic to them, because the tone is so different, and the new direction Yuna is taken in, is quite drastic (I think she's much better in X-2, but again I'm not a fan of X). So as much as I like FFX-2, I do wonder how I'd feel if a sequel to a game I liked was released, with such drastic alterations.

Oh wait, no I don't - I already know, because I've played Mass Effect 2...

That's your opinion that the series ie getting better, and that's fine. An opinion is like an asshole, everyone has one (if you have more than one, seek medical help immediately). Speaking solely for myself, I disliked all the PS2+ generation of FF's (though some moreso than others... Yes XIII I'm glaring at you!!), as I much preferred the SNES/PSX generation of FF's. I forced myself to finish X-2, in the vain hope of it redeeming itself... except all I get is a obvious attempt by SE to link the universe of FFX/X-2 with that of FFVII's!!

X-2 IS fan service... and I hated every minute of it. No game is 100% universally accepted as being 'Perfect', because that kind of perfection doesn't exist... Unless you're Borg. Each person has their own opinion of what is perfect, and to me... the FF series has declined since the PSX generation.

... Why bash ME2 eh? Haven't we done so enough already lol.

But its more like Anti-Fanservice surely, seeing as how it had the opposite effect (i.e FFX fans hated it, and people who disliked FFX-2 thought it was better than the original).

And I didn't say FF was getting better as it went along (I like FF13 more than many here, but its still not in my Top 5). I just don't think the series is on a purely downward curve. I thought FF9 and FF10 showed the series trending downward, but then 12 came along and restored my faith.

The series' installments are basically just standalone games, connected by the loosest of thematic concepts. They don't have the same characters, worlds, systems or stories, so each new installment has the same chance of being something great or awful, no matter how much time passes. The only factors that matter are the budget available and quality of staff working on them.

All the old games from the golden era of popularity (from about FF7 through to FF10 or so), had different directors. So its really just pot luck. The series has stagnated (IMO) primarily due to using the same director too many times recently (the guy who did FF13, also did FFX-2, FF12: Revenant Wings and was a senior contributor for FFX). I think he's also doing FF13-2.

That's where they're going wrong for me - they need to go back to using different guys for each installment. That way, you avoid them looking the same, feeling the same etc.

And my bashing of ME2 knows no satiety - I have no forgiveness in my heart! :D

The best thing about X-2 is that it is not a part of the primary FFX game; it's merely a sequel, plus X's ending rather nicely summed up the storyline. With that in place, I think they knew they could get a bit crazier with it. I gave it a chance, and hated it; I'm just glad I gave it a chance at all. IMO, none of the sequels in the series were necessary; IV didn't need any expanding, VII benefited from Crisis Core despite the massive retconning (it gave a tad more character to Zack, as well as a few others who IMO had not as much personality in the first game, or their personalities weren't fleshed out as well), X did not need X-2, XII didn't need Revenant Wings, and . . . not that it really matters; SE is making money, and a lot of people like them. Just IMO, these stories were fine with the endings they had -_- Some series' get better with sequels to the installments; FF is not one of them.

Yeah, but how many people really consider any of these sequels to be actual canon. SE may intend them to be canon, but I would say that most gamers don't really consider Revenant Wings to be the true, honest to goodness 'what happened next' to FF12.

I would imagine that FFX fans also feel the same about FFX-2. Many FF13 fans are also questioning how appropriate a time travel story with Serah as the main character really is in FF13-2...

These sequels are almost always by different writers and directors (plus different staff for everything else too in many cases), so the characters, world and story will be being interpreted in a different way. (FF12 actually has this in the original game itself because of the change in directors, and most consider it to have harmed the game).

I said before that I think different directors and writers should be used, but *not* to write sequels. You'll almost always win new fans, but lose all your old ones. And since fans consider that any sequel should really be for them to repay their loyalty and investment in the original, that creates ill feeling.

That's right on the money :) I never got why companies greenlight these abysmal sequels written by people who had nothing to do with the original, then get all defensive and tense when fans complain. I will absolutely stand by the notion that X-2 has a great battle system–hell, I spent several hours leveling and getting genuine enjoyment out of it–but storywise, musicwise and characterwise when you have the reputation of the original to live up to, anyone who would conceive something as offensive to fans as X-2 is downright either a.) high, b.) trolling, or c.) just plain cruel. Revenant Wings kinda retains the feel of Tactics Advance (a game I honestly could care less about) and the original Tactics, but with a story like XII's a sequel just seems to be pushing it. Stories that end on a cliffhanger, blatantly hint at future revelations, or introduce new characters at the end are opening up a homerun shot for a sequel. FFVII's constant churn of new characters thrown into sequels and prequels is just an excuse to milk the franchise; I take the original story and characters far more seriously than I do the highly clich� Genesis of Crisis Core. Concluding things with everyone either happy with the outcome or all conflict clearly laid to rest is not a good socket in which to place a sequel. And I agree 100%; sequels should not be handled by third parties or other teams, unless the original team a.) has no rights to the story any longer, or b.) has been dispersed. Otherwise, prepare for a ruined story >.<

And my bashing of ME2 knows no satiety - I have no forgiveness in my heart! :D

I agree with the rest of your post, but feel compelled to comment on this: Mass Effect 2 isn't a sequel per se, but as the second part of a trilogy, it's a continuation. IIRC, BioWare stated that the story of Mass Effect was completed (ME1-> ME2-> ME3) before ME1 was even finished.

You see this face I'm making? This is my 'I don't believe you, Bioware' face. The retcon to Cerberus alone, is too jarring for that statement to be true. Besides, you should never trust what doctors say - and companies run by doctors, even less.

I believe that they probably had a rough framework, and did intend for the series to be a trilogy. But as I've said many times, ME2 just seems like a massive retcon filled, feet shuffling, waste of time. If it wasn't for the fact that the graphics and beefed up action took the game overground to the mainstream, ME2 would have been the installment that the series forgot, IMO.


Anyway, I think FFX-2 is practically a standalone game and not a sequel at all. Because FFX fans hate it and won't admit it legitimacy, and because most FFX-2 fans don't seem to have liked FFX much anyway, there isn't much evidence that many people view them as 2 parts of the same story, or play them as such. People just choose the one they like, and forget about the other one.

You see this face I'm making? This is my 'I don't believe you, Bioware' face. The retcon to Cerberus alone, is too jarring for that statement to be true. Besides, you should never trust what doctors say - and companies run by doctors, even less.

I believe that they probably had a rough framework, and did intend for the series to be a trilogy. But as I've said many times, ME2 just seems like a massive retcon filled, feet shuffling, waste of time. If it wasn't for the fact that the graphics and beefed up action took the game overground to the mainstream, ME2 would have been the installment that the series forgot, IMO.

To quote Jason Lee's character, Brodie, from Mallrats:

"Oh ye of little faith... have a cookie."

I think any kind of FFX add-on would be super awesome because I am suuuuuch a huge fan of FFX! XD I loved X-2 almost as much as X. I think an "X-3" could be about any of the main characters... Or it could just be set in Spira and be set before Sin (maybe around Shuyin and Lenne's time, but not necessarily about them since I don't like them very much... XD), or after, or something... I wrote a fan fiction starring Paine about her adventures after the eternal calm, and it was turning out pretty good, but I never finished it because I suck at writing XD So yeah, I have a lot of good ideas! x3