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06-16-2011, 12:41 AM
Okay, so I've seen some dvd-a, sacd and vinyl rips done to FLAC.
But I've noticed some comments that people prefer "the original wavs" compared to the "flacs".
I haven't seen too many DTS-HD MA to FLAC releases (as there hasn't been too many isolated scores).
Someone did a custom rip of Tron Legacy and edited (better than working with dvd-rips).
But I thought the whole thing about "lossless to lossless" was that you don't "lose" anything in the process.
I've worked with DTS-HD MA before to FLAC and the only thing I see different is the bitrate...
The process so far is...
I decrypt the movie to the HDD and work with that to break the movie into smaller MKV's (chapters).
(saves the disc drive from reading constantly until the project is finished)
With the MKV chapters (remux mode), I use eac3to (with ArcSoft decoder) to convert the DTS-HD MA to WAV. (It converts the DTS-HD MA track and not the DTS Core)
(MKV files in smaller chapters will produce WAV files that are within 2-4GB standards; not sure the max delaycut can handle for WAV)
Then I listen to it and take notes when and where the music starts and stops.
I convert the times to read as milliseconds (60*X+mmm; X=whole integer of minutes, mmm=the remaining milliseconds; e.g. 60*2+215=12215ms).
(okay, the math for that doesn't make sense, but somewhere in there you multiply the whole integers of minutes to 1000's and add the remaining milliseconds)
I use delaycut to break the WAV file into smaller WAV files (hence the milliseconds).
The new WAV files serve as music tracks.
The 5.1 surround sound, 24bit depth and 48Khz sample rate is retained from the original MKV file (containing the DTS-HD MA). At this point, the bit rate shows as CBR@6,912 Kbps (1,152x6;1,152 per channel).
Then I convert to FLAC.
The 5.1 surround sound, 24bit depth and 48Khz sample rate is retained from the original MKV file (containing the DTS-HD MA)
However, the bitrate shows less than what the WAV shows (since FLAC is VBR and WAV is CBR).
Everything looks identical in Adobe Audition (in all views available, normal viewing and spectral view).
(Sample cut down to a few chapters, reading with MediaInfo v0.7.44)
DTS-HD MA inside MKV
Audio
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 12mn 52s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 026 Kbps / 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Language : English
MKV to WAV
(eac3to source.mkv 2: output.wav)
Audio
ID : 0
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 00001000-0000-0100-8000-00AA00389B71
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 12mn 52s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 6 912 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Stream size : 636 MiB (100%)
WAV to WAV
(Using delaycut to cut the file into a smaller file)
Audio
ID : 0
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 00001000-0000-0100-8000-00AA00389B71
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 2mn 30s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 6 912 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Stream size : 124 MiB (100%)
WAV to FLAC
(After using delaycut to cut the file into a smaller WAV)
Audio
Format : FLAC
Format/Info : Free Lossless Audio Codec
Duration : 2mn 30s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 3 306 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Stream size : 59.3 MiB (100%)
Writing library : libFLAC 1.2.1 (UTC 2007-09-17)
With comments about having the WAV is better than having the FLAC files, it makes me wonder...
Is all that I'm doing a waste of time?
Should I keep the WAV files and ignore the FLAC process?
What is the actual difference between WAV and FLAC?
Or are these people being worrisome without cause?
I know for some people, it's all a psychological state of mind having the original WAV files.
It makes me think that "lossless" is not entirely "lossless".
Any thoughts?
Amidoingitright?
(PS: It's Big Trouble In Little China blu-ray isolated score rip; it's in DTS-HD MA/5.1/24bit/48Khz; so it's better than the CD releases)
Also: What is the preferred length of silence before and after the music?
Right now I'm aiming to keep the silence around 300ms before the music starts.
I know some players tend to have a slow buffer and will cut off the music if the music starts right away without any preceding silence.
But I've noticed some comments that people prefer "the original wavs" compared to the "flacs".
I haven't seen too many DTS-HD MA to FLAC releases (as there hasn't been too many isolated scores).
Someone did a custom rip of Tron Legacy and edited (better than working with dvd-rips).
But I thought the whole thing about "lossless to lossless" was that you don't "lose" anything in the process.
I've worked with DTS-HD MA before to FLAC and the only thing I see different is the bitrate...
The process so far is...
I decrypt the movie to the HDD and work with that to break the movie into smaller MKV's (chapters).
(saves the disc drive from reading constantly until the project is finished)
With the MKV chapters (remux mode), I use eac3to (with ArcSoft decoder) to convert the DTS-HD MA to WAV. (It converts the DTS-HD MA track and not the DTS Core)
(MKV files in smaller chapters will produce WAV files that are within 2-4GB standards; not sure the max delaycut can handle for WAV)
Then I listen to it and take notes when and where the music starts and stops.
I convert the times to read as milliseconds (60*X+mmm; X=whole integer of minutes, mmm=the remaining milliseconds; e.g. 60*2+215=12215ms).
(okay, the math for that doesn't make sense, but somewhere in there you multiply the whole integers of minutes to 1000's and add the remaining milliseconds)
I use delaycut to break the WAV file into smaller WAV files (hence the milliseconds).
The new WAV files serve as music tracks.
The 5.1 surround sound, 24bit depth and 48Khz sample rate is retained from the original MKV file (containing the DTS-HD MA). At this point, the bit rate shows as CBR@6,912 Kbps (1,152x6;1,152 per channel).
Then I convert to FLAC.
The 5.1 surround sound, 24bit depth and 48Khz sample rate is retained from the original MKV file (containing the DTS-HD MA)
However, the bitrate shows less than what the WAV shows (since FLAC is VBR and WAV is CBR).
Everything looks identical in Adobe Audition (in all views available, normal viewing and spectral view).
(Sample cut down to a few chapters, reading with MediaInfo v0.7.44)
DTS-HD MA inside MKV
Audio
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 12mn 52s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 026 Kbps / 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Language : English
MKV to WAV
(eac3to source.mkv 2: output.wav)
Audio
ID : 0
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 00001000-0000-0100-8000-00AA00389B71
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 12mn 52s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 6 912 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Stream size : 636 MiB (100%)
WAV to WAV
(Using delaycut to cut the file into a smaller file)
Audio
ID : 0
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 00001000-0000-0100-8000-00AA00389B71
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 2mn 30s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 6 912 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Stream size : 124 MiB (100%)
WAV to FLAC
(After using delaycut to cut the file into a smaller WAV)
Audio
Format : FLAC
Format/Info : Free Lossless Audio Codec
Duration : 2mn 30s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 3 306 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Stream size : 59.3 MiB (100%)
Writing library : libFLAC 1.2.1 (UTC 2007-09-17)
With comments about having the WAV is better than having the FLAC files, it makes me wonder...
Is all that I'm doing a waste of time?
Should I keep the WAV files and ignore the FLAC process?
What is the actual difference between WAV and FLAC?
Or are these people being worrisome without cause?
I know for some people, it's all a psychological state of mind having the original WAV files.
It makes me think that "lossless" is not entirely "lossless".
Any thoughts?
Amidoingitright?
(PS: It's Big Trouble In Little China blu-ray isolated score rip; it's in DTS-HD MA/5.1/24bit/48Khz; so it's better than the CD releases)
Also: What is the preferred length of silence before and after the music?
Right now I'm aiming to keep the silence around 300ms before the music starts.
I know some players tend to have a slow buffer and will cut off the music if the music starts right away without any preceding silence.