Here's the link : LA LA LAND RECORDS, Batman Returns (http://www.lalalandrecords.com/BatmanReturns.html)

Err, isn't here supposed to be a full-cd download link?

Anyways, Shadow of Doubt... (Alternatve) is beautiful... ♪

*Edit*

Some moderator please put this thread in the film music request thread. Thank you.

Thanks for nothing.

Yes there are full cd's from Batman Returns around the web but those are all bootlegs with SFX this soundtrack does have some unreleased tracks without SFX on the ablum.

Edit : sorry guys, didn't look where to post this thread, as stated before can some moderator please move this thread

cant wait til this is out :D

And where is the links??????

In the first post. Go and buy it.

Come on people - you are shameless. The soundtrack just came out yesterday. I'm sure sooner or later (rather sooner) it will surface somewhere on the internet. At least you should exhibit just a little bit of patience and last those few days without asking in public for the download links.

In the first post. Go and buy it.

Come on people - you are shameless. The soundtrack just came out yesterday. I'm sure sooner or later (rather sooner) it will surface somewhere on the internet. At least you should exhibit just a little bit of patience and last those few days without asking in public for the download links.

Yeah I agree too, the people asking the most is those who won�t buy and support the label.
New stuff shouldnt be allowed to be posted here, and only after it has gone oop or atleast been out for a while it should be posted.
Soon we wont have any labels that will release anymore music because of this.
Atleast have the courtesy to wait for it to be posted and even out (it was released mere 24 hrs ago)

well...yes it's supposed to be a DOWNLOAD link forum...

Yeah I agree too, the people asking the most is those who won�t buy and support the label.
New stuff shouldnt be allowed to be posted here, and only after it has gone oop or atleast been out for a while it should be posted.
Soon we wont have any labels that will release anymore music because of this.
Atleast have the courtesy to wait for it to be posted and even out (it was released mere 24 hrs ago)

Agree too.

Unfortunately once again, one stupid teenager who wants to appear like a hero will upload and post it here soon, I bet. Also I'm suspecting the original poster of this topic KNOWS that there will be always someone stupid enough to do so, and found his way to make this "anticipated" request.

We will soon be at the end of the Piracy years, but then we may be at the end of the simple opportunity to download anything freely too, what is all another point ! Thank you very much !

@MadmanMARZ, @Arial
I am sure there will be links for the mp3 and lossless versions of the score. I think it's nothing unnatural but asking for it the next day it goes into sale is just... Just not ok. I wouldn't mind if it happened lets say in two-three weeks time but it's too early right now.

Yeah... 2 or 3 weeks... Just time for people to know about this release and receive it from LaLaLand...! Come on, you must be joking.

Given the interest it generated it might be sold out by then. Everything ends up on the net so I'd rather it took those few week instead of 2-3 days.

Fine, but LLL is not a forbidden title, and so is free to be posted. This is a pirating site, and a download forum. If you have problems with those activities, I suggest you may be frequenting the wrong site. If I find any of these new releases before they end up here, you can rest assured I will most def post them, until mods tell me otherwise, since they are the only ones who can dictate to me what to or not to post....sorry, just my personal opinion.

A release like this should not be posted until it's been out for several months AT THE VERY LEAST or until it's OOP. Posting these specialty releases so quickly not only hurts those companies but also this forum; the small labels can't absorb many losses like the big guys and they will fight tooth and nail. The new each-link-gets-its-own-thread system makes it a lot easier to tell when something's been uploaded and if this kind of thing keeps popping up, it's only a matter of time before the Shrine gets shut down.

Not to mention that asking for something like this for free on the second day of release betrays an absurdly heightened sense of entitlement. If you want it, either support the label and buy it or wait until the label has had a chance to recoup its investment.

Oh, I agree, asking for it now is...wrong. Folks have been begging since a week or two ago. But, I figure once it is in a person's hands, and they post it, well, then that is that. I don't agree that we wait til it is "appropriate". That is not a rule of this forum yet. Yet. But it will get shared. Unstoppable was on The Paradox and Vagos at 6 am my time today, and about three others too. By noon, their were two posts of it here. My point is, it will show up within days elsewhere, so how is not posting it here helping? It is just going to cause regulars to start going elsewhere for the music they want. So your plans will eventually turn this into a barren site with no new music, and endless discussions on how moral we were. No thanks, I just want the music, and unless Sarah tells me otherwise, I will continue to see to it that it gets posted.

i will download it when I see it I also ordered a copy yesterday

Fine, but LLL is not a forbidden title, and so is free to be posted.

If you need the someone to decide what should be forbidden or not to justify your acts, it means you need rules and laws. The one you'll be crying about in a more or less near future. That's your choice.


This is a pirating site, and a download forum. If you have problems with those activities, I suggest you may be frequenting the wrong site.

I understand. I've downloaded exceptionnal stuff from this site a couple of years ago as some bootlegs and complete scores. As long as not only I have the soundtracks but I also have the DVDs (the film companies own the coyrights of the unreleased material, unlike the soundtrack companies) I've been acting fair all the way as long as it was the only way to get unreleased stuff. The amount of scores I have downloaded and preserved on CD's are about 7 or 8, FYI.


If I find any of these new releases before they end up here, you can rest assured I will most def post them, until mods tell me otherwise, since they are the only ones who can dictate to me what to or not to post....sorry, just my personal opinion.

"What the others do is the worst excuse to justify yourself"... Mods or not.

Cheers.

Look, I understand you guy's point of view, and to a certain degree can agree. But, every new thread now seems to have a brigade of protesters saying "don't post that!", or "take this down". That is not what this site IS. It is here to share the music, and I really feel that going around badgering the posters--and insulting them (teenagers with hero complexes?) is wrong. We are free to post what we like until Sarah or Jessie say otherwise. And, again, I am not a "teenager", nor do I need to be a "hero". I simply enjoy sharing what I can, and helping. Many around here know that. Its just....well, it ALMOST seems as if some of you are doing FSM's work for them. Trying to stop the sharing of these labels. It won't matter much to me soon, as I am going off line, but til I do, I do not feel the need to worry about the labels. I tried, guys, but I REALLY don't give a dang, just want the music...sigh. :b I know, "sociopath".......

[...] it will show up within days elsewhere, so how is not posting it here helping? It is just going to cause regulars to start going elsewhere for the music they want. So your plans will eventually turn this into a barren site with no new music, and endless discussions on how moral we were. No thanks, I just want the music, and unless Sarah tells me otherwise, I will continue to see to it that it gets posted.

People elsewhere are shooting each other in the face, but I think you'd agree that it's better to abstain from such behavior. ;)

You're right, everyone is free to post what they will within forum rules. But FSM is already on notice about this place, and by extension, La La Land and Intrada are as well. I guarantee they're watching the forums and if they're convinced that this place is costing them money, they're going to do something about it.

Look, if someone grabs Batman Returns and discretely shares it with a few buddies through PMs or something, I couldn't care less. But posting it on the forum while it could still be considered a new and hot item and attracting hundreds of posts, and thus attention, is exactly the kind of stupid and arrogant behavior that is going to get this place shut down for good.

EDIT: For example, typing "batman returns limited edition download" into Google will net this thread as the second result.

I dn't "need" the mods, I just play by their rules. I download dozens of scores and albums a day. I have got THOUSANDS of scores, most from other than here. I preserve many on cd, and it does not bother me. I do not care about playing fair. This is not a "play fair" site. You are always free to express your opinion, but I doubt you are changing any minds, or behaviors. Oddly, I do respect your feelings about this, I just don't agree much, is all. But, ah well.

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Ya, they are aware of us, but I GUARANTEE someone will post it as soon as they find it. Ok, it won't be me. Fine. But, it WILL get posted. You just can't change that fact.

Look, if someone grabs Batman Returns and discretely shares it with a few buddies through PMs or something, I couldn't care less. But posting it on the forum while it could still be considered a new and hot item and attracting hundreds of posts, and thus attention, is exactly the kind of stupid and arrogant behavior that is going to get this place shut down for good.

I second that

As an example, I have found a site that has spoken word recordings to share. In that forum, there is a thread for Big Finish and BBC Audio stories. There are over 30 postings of stories, and I have them all now. Been a busy week.....point is, I have no feeling of guilt or remorse about snagging those, including some of the newest. I only feel extreme happiness that i have them now, and for finding such a 'trove" of material. In that way, I am substantially different then some of you guys, I suppose. Sorry.

I doubt you are changing any minds, or behaviors.

Ya, they are aware of us, but I GUARANTEE someone will post it as soon as they find it. Ok, it won't be me. Fine. But, it WILL get posted. You just can't change that fact.

I have little doubt that you're right on both counts, and, if so, this place is unfortunately on borrowed time. It has become too big and popular for its own good.

@ babydoll

... You don't need to feel like beeing "attacked". True that I find your justifications depending on what the mods are allowing here quite thoughtless.

Also I don't want to spoil you reading here. You'll notice the way to put my (our) point(s) of view and feelings about all this is certainly not as you say, by saying "DO NOT". I haven't used these words ;)
I just let my heart speak in front of all this, no mental building of argumentation to spread.

Perhaps, but people have been predicting that all year, after the Varese problems. LLL, and Intrada were made aware of us by the same person who contacted varese. So far, I have not heard of either of those labels contacting Sarah. In fact, FSM did not either, at first. Varese did follow those chanels. Which is why they got the response and results they did. We debated all of this last summer, when folks rebelled against the varese ban. I employed many of the same arguments you are using now. But, I guess my feelings about this site changed. I concluded that very few here are the friends I thought, and the personal attacks on whomever continue all the time. Not as bad at FSM, but the insults hurt more here, as I once felt it was my safe place. I ranted about not endangering the site, and got smacked repeatedly for doing so. I probably just gave up at some point, as the majority of members make it quite clear by their actions that they do not care what happens to this place. The responses I got--from long time members no less-- was big deal, I will just find another site. That just wore me down I guess. But, by all means, give it a shot, let's see if it has any affect.

Wow ! You're beeing over-sensitive !

PS: true that I don't care about this place, sorry to say. Just lurking what have been released whenever it happened.

Ariel, I am fine with you. I hope you can make them see reason. I would like to see mods put a ban on the new small labels and such. But, It has been asked before with no response. I hope you can make a difference, and as a show of belated support will not post Batman, ST V, Home Alone, or First Blood openly if I find them.....

EDIT:

Ya ovrsensitive. But, I am not referring to anything said in this thread, just stuff that has happened over the summer. :D I do care about this place, I just feel it may be a lost cause.....

I'm going to side with Babydoll on this one. If someone wants to post it on here, fine, that's their choice. Download it or not, but don't insult the uploader. Me, I do download things on here, including a few new releases, but I also like to support the labels and buy some of the new stuff. SOME, not every single one - sorry, just can't afford it. And the truth is, there are a LOT of great new scores all coming out at the same time. Just sucks that one has to be choosy and can't buy them all.

Now, as for asking for a new release a day after it comes out - that's ridiculous and just plain greedy. People need to be patient. By ASKING for this so soon, it's just putting a bigger target on our backs.

I definitely sympathize, babydoll. I wasn't very active last year when the shit hit the fan, so that somewhat eludes my own experience. I do think the Ron Jones box was a much larger shit hitting a larger fan, but that's almost irrelevant. Watching the Avatar debacle and the Conan thread has definitely hurt my opinion of this place as a whole. I honestly primarily care about the Orchestral thread... and that's about it. Everything else is either peripheral or a pleasant surprise.

@dsguardian: Can't really disagree with anything you said. I'm not suggesting everyone buy everything; that's certainly beyond my own reach. But the situation around here has really gotten out of hand lately; people need to have the patience to wait a bit.

Well, the exaggerated pleading---I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed it pleeeaaaaaaaaaasseeeeee help crap is annoying anyway. But, when it is clearly posted an item is not to be released for another week, to ask for it anyway is just silly. And the day after? Greedy. Patience, and all usually ends up being shared somewhere, somehow. Even here, via pm. Ya know, I once pointed out that the original Hunt thread was designed to hunt down and share those rare and oop scores that you could not find anywhere else. Boy, did I get it for suggesting that......

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Well look. These are the same people who complain when they don't get that score how they wanted it.

MP3 is not music: where's the FLAC....

Dammit, where's the art. I want the booklet, scan that in for me.....

It's not tagged. AAAAAUUUUGGGHHH...

I hate MU and RS. Upload to an entirely new server, so I can get what i want......

You know....

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tHE ONES WHO demand flac, WITH hq DIGI SCANS OF THE COVERS, TRAYS, AND BOOKLET? tHEY ARE NEVER GONNA BUY THE SET, THAT'S WHY THEY WANT ALL THAT....

I find it strange that I got the Lord of the Rings Rarities Archive CD a week before it came out and I got it early someone posted it on the last week of September

tHE ONES WHO demand flac, WITH hq DIGI SCANS OF THE COVERS, TRAYS, AND BOOKLET? tHEY ARE NEVER GONNA BUY THE SET, THAT'S WHY THEY WANT ALL THAT....

Of course. My position is that they are free to look elsewhere. Simple as that. After all, is such a person likely to contribute something of their own? I doubt it. In my view, no big loss.

... I'm not suggesting everyone buy everything; that's certainly beyond my own reach. But the situation around here has really gotten out of hand lately; people need to have the patience to wait a bit.

Would I dare adding that some people need to understand and accept they can't HAVE everything ?

"To HAVE is not to BE", or it's beeing someone else!... That is the answer. ;)

True, but if those things are presented to you, right in front of you, for free, with no VISIBLE repercussions to you...? I want to say I wouldn't, but I obviously do.....

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Of course, I guess what makes me a true pirate is that I don't just get tempted by something posted, I spend a lot of time actively hunting down items, and go out of my way to find the things being requested, and posting them. i'm an enablder.. :D

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I don't thik it makes me a bad person per se. Yes, the sense of I want therefor I take is prevalent in our society these days, and IE sites like this, music and video sharing, are a large cause. It does not feel like stealing, not like snagging a cd from a store, and the repercussions are not easily seen. The damage to the labels is very often a far distant thought, if a thought at all. I dare say it won't change except for the worse....

For what it is worth... The only way you can solve the issues of piracy is to get rid of the internet! something that isnt going to happen, so we just have to suffer the consequences of our own actions!
Or put a ban on programs that allow us to convert CD's to MP3 (etc) which aint gonna happen.
Or put a ban on CDR recorders to prevent us from making illegal copies... which aint gonna happen.
No matter how hard you try, there will always be a method of madness that will enable someone; with good intention for most part, to share something with someone for free over the net, whether we.. The consumer or The Labels in question like it or not! Its just way to convenient now and on a big scale, to which score collectors are in the minority of this, to download what we want for nothing!
Waiting for the release to be out for several months or actually become OOP will not solve the arguments either as may on FSM thread have stated that.. And i quote *not paraphrase though* ''If you cannot afford it, you cannot have it..'' fair enough i say! But no one that cant afford it is going to take the blindest bit of notice of you!

If FFShrine goes, lets face it, another one will spread its wings... There are already loads of spectrums out already! From Demonoid to Pirate bay to GFF to Soulseek to name a few! I think it is fair to say that the majority of users here, if not 100% of them, go to another forum to get stuff too and indeed post stuff here from said forums/blogs etc!

I am not sure of the red tape, hassle or costs... but maybe it could be worthwhile to have some kind of FTP (thinking more along the lines of Labels) and create a semi *iTunes* scenario where upon, for a smaller cost, the consumer can actually download MP3, or Wav or whatever is easiest from the site themselves... So technically make the Discs limited, so they actually have their collector value and the physicality of owning such things, but, at the same time, allowing people that download have a chance at buying a download, for a marginal cheaper cost. and in all fairness, its the only way practically possible to put a slower angst on things... of course that wont stop the issue... but then FFS, if selling CD's at an insanely cheap price (as LLL are at the moment with their sale) and they still cant sell it! then you cant sell it, simple.. But surely in this day an age. It may be marginally better to attempt to meet those that *Power-Download* in the middle somewhere by offering a download service themselves?

Yep, I agree notably with the last point. The music industry should have made this effort since long and unfortunately the piracy matter only serves to install more liberticide laws all over the place that have no relations with piracy itself...

This thread's gone to hell real fast. :-(

If LLL didn't charge so much money for their CDs, and if they didn't use such a primitive distribution method, I'm sure they'd have a bigger audience. As it is, $30 is just way too much to ask for music in this day and age. A $10 to $15 digital release would be more reasonable, and they wouldn't have to limit their releases to a few thousand copies. What they do is noble, but how they do it is self-defeating.

This thread should have never been born... :D

why should we support the label? they took so damn long to put this out & on top of that, its LIMITED. least they could do is not make it limited & high priced. and on top of all that, how do you know ALL the music from the film is in it? Just cause its expanded doesn't mean all the music is featured. And the ones that are featured may not sound like they do in the film. in conclusion, i say this. buyt it if you are a Batman collector. but if youre just a fan like me, wait cuz it'll be on the net sooner or later & u can get it FOR FREE.

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scoreman & spaceworlder: I agree with u both. the internet will never die. as technology grows, the net will be bigger & better. and with that will come more p2p programs & ways to obtain music (and other things) for free. i think people prefer to download as it means they will get it for free & not have to pay $30 or something. makes sense because today, that is just impossible. If the set is $30, at least throw something in to make people buy it. you have to attract customers because it is the customers who keep you in business. businesses & companies who do NOT realize this or realize it & fail to follow this will ultimately eventually cease to exit & rightfully so.

Is Batman returns--and ST V--really 30 dollars just for the set? With shipping, then it will be closer to 40, and I will not pay that, just on principal. I guess I will have to hope a friend sends me the links......

They're $30 each, which amounts to a ridiculous sum when you add shipping. It doesn't help that I bought the original release pretty recently, too. :-/

You know, guys, the more I read this kind of discussion(s), the more I get "angry" with this community... I don't see such a fuss show up when a new game/anime soundtrack is posted (sometimes even in lossless on the same day)... I realize that some of you might simply don't care about what happens in the game scene (rightly so, mind), but as an "outsider which likes both sides of the medal" I find the whole picture slightly ironic/hypocrite [please, don't give me the crap "game/anime stuff gets sold out quickly and import costs are pricey!"... Well, guess what, even Lala-land/Intrada/etc.. tends to sold out pretty easily, and they cost a bit, too...] Anyway, as someone already said, if something is not banned from this place (keep an eye on this thread, in case some of you don't know the what and what-not: Thread 49829) users have all the right to post such thing, and you are not allowed to insult them.... If the staff is fine with it, just accept it. If you don't like what they've done, ignore, buy your legal copy and be happy with the knowledge you've supported the label. It's not like this place is the first choice when it comes to movie-related stuff, in most cases what shows up here comes from elsewhere...

Between STV, Home Alone, Batman Returns, Family Plot and Haunted Honeymoon, I'm pretty much just waiting to see what looks like it might sell out first, then go from there. Honestly have no idea, although I think it might possibly be Home Alone or STV. Could be wrong.

(Sigh... Just remembered that Intrada has 4 new titles coming out on the 14th. Damn... If I didn't love film music so much, I'd really start to hate this game right now.)

Yea, it's a golden age of score releases, if you're Bill Gates that is. I just can't do that. Hmmm, a silent plea for pm's...?

Seconded. (And sadly, I'm not Bill Gates. Not even his gardener.)

See, now the folks on the FSM board would say if you can't afford it, tough, you can't hear it. But, since I am not that strong, I have to decide, whether to pirate or buy. I can't buy, so I will damn well snag it on-line at some point. I want to support the labels, but this is pushing me towards sharing, pure and simple.

agreed. asking for it before or day after things come out is selfish & greedy esp. if youre gonna download it & not share & its even worse when theyre not saying thanks.

and again, if the price wasnt so high OR something worthy was thrown in to attract me to pay $30, i'd GLADLY support them. to prove this, i always amazon.com my stuff because its so affordable on there & some of that $ goes to the company who released whatever it is i bought from there. Neither Batman cd is on there yet but hopefully soon so im holding out. but once my holding out is out so to speak, ill get it online. my patience is usually pretty strong & im loyal to a fault/highly over sensitive all the time so i can wait long.

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.......hopefully. if i dont wait long, this will be my 1st time giving in fast & u know what they say, 1st time 4 everything.

Fine, but LLL is not a forbidden title, and so is free to be posted. This is a pirating site, and a download forum. If you have problems with those activities, I suggest you may be frequenting the wrong site. If I find any of these new releases before they end up here, you can rest assured I will most def post them, until mods tell me otherwise, since they are the only ones who can dictate to me what to or not to post....sorry, just my personal opinion.

Hallelujah to that.

It's not about downloading it free, I want to 'have a piece' of the product, before I buy it. I'm a long-time Batman fan, and I would buy it if I found it somewhere, but it's companies like this that make limited edition things and make not 'everybody' have what they want.

I think that free-downloading is USED and ABUSED by many, but most of the free-downloaders just download the product and see/hear or just enjoy their product by themselves or with friends. I myself download music for my media player and I don't go around and make copies and sell them for my own good. I have a job to make the money that I need.

All in all, with a comment like 'wait people', 'buy the product' is that you are just being a hypocrite. You did download stuff from here and you didn't buy it or bought it later. So don't go around and tell us what to do, and as Babydoll said, maybe you are in the wrong place.

Piracy will ALWAYS be around as long as there's internet. So, we might aswell just live with it.

Look, if someone grabs Batman Returns and discretely shares it with a few buddies through PMs or something, I couldn't care less. But posting it on the forum while it could still be considered a new and hot item and attracting hundreds of posts, and thus attention, is exactly the kind of stupid and arrogant behavior that is going to get this place shut down for good.

EDIT: For example, typing "batman returns limited edition download" into Google will net this thread as the second result.

EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!!!
It�s stupid to share this new titles as soon as they are released. Esp�ecially on an open forum like this where everyone can find it.
We stand with one foot in the grave already as what we do is illegal, and now we are pushing us forward more by this??
As we havent enough eyes on us already
Some companies are already forbidden here and how long until the others will follow if we continue like this??
Wake the F up!!! share older stuff and oop titles but not the newest stuff!!!!!!

I guess it is pretty simple to sum up. IF the continuation of this site means anything at all to you, be more discreet. Not don't share, just do it quietly. IF you don't care what happens to the site, then share whatever willy nilly. What deflates me, depresses me, is we all know what that answer will be. There is a majority of people who use this site only to snag new releases. See the recent postings on the hunt thread. Giant cover pictures and pleading for albums that have been out for only one day. Despite all the words of patience. It will get posted, all of it will. I guess I am just to a point where I figure just get what I can while the getting's good, cause the more....social aspects of this site seem to mean nothing to the vast majority, and the survival is a non issue to them. There are, after all, many sharing sites, so they figure big whoop. I guess it all just wore me out.


I still personally have no issues with pirating. And, personally, feel that we can share whatever we want within Sarah and Jessie's rules. I would hope common sense would be involved, but it seems not. So.....dunno. I doubt there will be a meeting of the minds here. A solution I see would be the banning of posting new releases for...what, a few months? Some time anyway. That would anger and drive off a number of users, but, may ensure the overall survival of the site?

What we all have to remeber guys is that if we dont buy this stuff, then it will end up like the old days in which we never get hold of gems like Batman Returns & Star Trek V The Final Frontier complete scores. Those who only ever download and never buy jepordise the release of material. We all download, lets be honest about that, but taking the piss, only downloading and never being is taking the piss, and is definately wrong and unjustifiable.
So get out and buy, I hear Star Trek V is below a 1000 copies left as of yesterday.

EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!!!
It�s stupid to share this new titles as soon as they are released. Esp�ecially on an open forum like this where everyone can find it.
We stand with one foot in the grave already as what we do is illegal, and now we are pushing us forward more by this??
As we havent enough eyes on us already
Some companies are already forbidden here and how long until the others will follow if we continue like this??
Wake the F up!!! share older stuff and oop titles but not the newest stuff!!!!!!
What the fuck are you talk about never heard of torrents news groups p2p ,i,ll bet if it,s shared here you will download it too!
and if i find it i will shared it to with other users! this is not the only place for the newest stuff,you have no idea how big the internet is.
For example the first Batman was the same day online thanks to IntotheStorm,that have it from the comic con,dont talk hypocrite bullshit!! users as you and a few others are a pain in the ass,and making this forum a living hell.not everyone is rich and can afford it! this forum will never die

**doesn't think the forum is a living hell**

It is simple enough now, to look at the main list, see what is new, grab the link and go. Nothing posted in the hunt thread should be there without a dedicated seperate post. SO, in theory, one could peruse all new postings without HAVING to read shit like this here. IF you choose to read it anyway, then that is on you. The problem is these things always end up too heated, things get said, and drama ensues. They know you can get new releases elsewhere. that is sort of their point. If you know where else to grab Batman returns, then why does it still have to be posted here? If other places are satisfying those needs for you, then why is it you still hang here. You as in a hypothetical you, not anyone in particular, mind you. Obviously, something about this place keeps people coming back, and if the new stuff is being had elsewhere anyway, then what is it here that is being sought out? See, if the forum closes up, something...special..will be lost. And don't say it will never happen. I can imagine there may be only so much crap Sarah would be willing to put up with. She got a bit of it with FSM. So it is possible this site could fold. Sharing sites will continue, but as people keep returning here, other sites are apparently not totally satisfying?

ORDERED :)

I bought official soundtrack cds all my life. I must have more than 500 of it! Nowadays I just can't buy it anymore because I don't have enough money since I am married man with a daughter to rise. So, I download it thanks to the nice people of this and other places who share it.

I am not harming the labels since I wouldn't be able to buy their albums anyway, but thanks to the sharing I can still hear the music I love so much...

Does it still made me a thief? I hope not...

I hope i speak for all when i say this, not just for the minority.
The main reason why most come to this place, is because it is a *Community* It is a warm, open fired public bar where people chat, make friends and have a beer or 2.
The thing is where the scores are concerned. There is obviously a lot of attention to this forum over others and the question is... why..? a lot of the forums i go to share scores and all the scores that are not permitted here and are not getting any flack at all. Answer there is obviously something or someone leaking the info to the companies...
But just with other Bars that close due to whatever reasons, if this specific bar gets closed, the locals will venture to others... Of course it will be a big kick in the teeth for all that are locals here that dont download stuff... There are almost 370,000 members here at FFS... i doubt for a second every single one of them are film score collectors... and if they are, then FSM and the rest of them have really it a knock for releasing a score and limited it to 5000 (maximum) when they reap the benefits from these guys and sell 370,000 of them... But no. Its quite clear that there is a select few that download/upload collect film scores...

You want my honest opinion....!?

well, im gonna give it to you even if you dont!

Its quite simple how to keep this place alive and redeem itself from any backlash from companies and that is for Sarah to get rid of the download section and someone here set up another secret forum, a sister site, where those that are only interested in downloading, can do it to their hearts content without even giving any knowledge of its existance.. If others can do it and keep off the radar, then surely another one can. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, its called freedom of speech! voicing your opinions is how things get sorted. But there comes a time where you give way to attraction to people you may not want to!
So in conclusion...

ASk someone to set up another forum dedicated to score sharing (both vgm and film scores) delete the section for it here and be done with it. That way, the arguments with people that do ot agree with download, dont need to be part of it!

What the fuck are you talk about never heard of torrents news groups p2p ,i,ll bet if it,s shared here you will download it too!
and if i find it i will shared it to with other users! this is not the only place for the newest stuff,you have no idea how big the internet is.
For example the first Batman was the same day online thanks to IntotheStorm,that have it from the comic con,dont talk hypocrite bullshit!! users as you and a few others are a pain in the ass,and making this forum a living hell.not everyone is rich and can afford it! this forum will never die

No I wouldn�t because I support the labels!
If something goes oop or an elder title that you cant find anymore, i think its OK to share.
What pisses me of is all the leachers that wants stuff and only download, never gives back and then have the stoopidity to ask for titles that is as fresh and new as Star Trek 5 and batman Returns...They "can not afford" or "will not buy" the titles, but are the first to cry "HELP CAN SOMEBODY POST". If the title is so damn important that they can�t wait until it shows up here (probably a few days anyway) and instead must have it the minute it is released, I have a big fucking problem with those people...

a member like babydoll, I have NO PROBLEM with , because she shares alot and gives back alot, but look what those asking for Batman Returns and Star Trek shared...NOTHING!!!
and the soundtracklabels are working very hard to shut us down. Ofcourse there will always be bootlegging as long as Internet exists, but what is doing here is adding fuel to the fire and not trying to be subtle and smooth about it instead.
A few labels have already silenced us, and its a ticking timebomb here. IF you do not understand this, then you are the guilty one whos sending this forum to hell as you cant see the point and only looks as long as your nose gets you...comprende?

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I hope i speak for all when i say this, not just for the minority.
The main reason why most come to this place, is because it is a *Community* It is a warm, open fired public bar where people chat, make friends and have a beer or 2.
The thing is where the scores are concerned. There is obviously a lot of attention to this forum over others and the question is... why..? a lot of the forums i go to share scores and all the scores that are not permitted here and are not getting any flack at all. Answer there is obviously something or someone leaking the info to the companies...
But just with other Bars that close due to whatever reasons, if this specific bar gets closed, the locals will venture to others... Of course it will be a big kick in the teeth for all that are locals here that dont download stuff... There are almost 370,000 members here at FFS... i doubt for a second every single one of them are film score collectors... and if they are, then FSM and the rest of them have really it a knock for releasing a score and limited it to 5000 (maximum) when they reap the benefits from these guys and sell 370,000 of them... But no. Its quite clear that there is a select few that download/upload collect film scores...

You want my honest opinion....!?

well, im gonna give it to you even if you dont!

Its quite simple how to keep this place alive and redeem itself from any backlash from companies and that is for Sarah to get rid of the download section and someone here set up another secret forum, a sister site, where those that are only interested in downloading, can do it to their hearts content without even giving any knowledge of its existance.. If others can do it and keep off the radar, then surely another one can. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, its called freedom of speech! voicing your opinions is how things get sorted. But there comes a time where you give way to attraction to people you may not want to!
So in conclusion...

ASk someone to set up another forum dedicated to score sharing (both vgm and film scores) delete the section for it here and be done with it. That way, the arguments with people that do ot agree with download, dont need to be part of it!

well spoken and I totally agree with you!
Now it is to easy to find this site and the best way to survive is to have a forum where you have to prove yourself worthy by sharing before downloading, then you have shown that you are a "pirate" that wants to share music. Ofcourse there will always be hunters out for these sites, but I think the shrine has become to big nowdays and has been made attention on FSM etc where they ofcourse sees us as a threat and rightfully so as WE are thiefs, stealing and jeopardize their label (you see that I said WE as I�m no better at it but I know what I am, but some people dont see that they do something wrong)

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I am not harming the labels since I wouldn't be able to buy their albums anyway, but thanks to the sharing I can still hear the music I love so much...

Does it still made me a thief? I hope not...

Yes it does in their eyes...they do not care if you cant afford their CDs, but I understand that you also wants to enjoy the music, but it is still theft (equall it with taking a candybar in a shop as you do not have money for it, but you want to eat it)

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I REST MY CASE

http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/film-score-hunt-thread-v2-78573/141.html

What we all have to remeber guys is that if we dont buy this stuff, then it will end up like the old days in which we never get hold of gems like Batman Returns & Star Trek V The Final Frontier complete scores. Those who only ever download and never buy jepordise the release of material. We all download, lets be honest about that, but taking the piss, only downloading and never being is taking the piss, and is definately wrong and unjustifiable.
So get out and buy, I hear Star Trek V is below a 1000 copies left as of yesterday.

Just out of curiosity, where did you read that it's less than 1000 copies? I've been searching the FSM message boards and the La-La Land site like mad, but I don't see anything about a low stock alert on that one. (Although I did see that some idiot over at FSM posted "less than 1000 copies" of STV the morning that it came out (even before it was up for order). Really reeeally funny.)

No I wouldn�t because I support the labels!

Yes it does in their eyes...they do not care if you cant afford their CDs, but I understand that you also wants to enjoy the music, but it is still theft (equall it with taking a candybar in a shop as you do not have money for it, but you want to eat it)

I REST MY CASE

http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/film-score-hunt-thread-v2-78573/141.html

Hummm... I don't think downloading music virtually and taking a chocolate bar from a store are the same thing. You see, the music shared comes from a legal CD which was bought by someone who decided to transform it's content into virtual database and share it with others. One cannot do this with a chocolate bar - yet, but maybe it will be possible in the future!

For something to be considered a theft it must imply that someone's products are being taken without being paid! That's simple not the case.

The fact is that we entered in a new era of virtual technology and the record companies' executives did not follow it properly. They still wanna make the same absurd money they did in the past! And so they don't make any move to try and change the laws to acomodate it to this new reality. This means that there are still a lot of people who actually pay for a CD, otherwise they would try to evolve!

Why a record label like FSM or Varese Sarabande don't try to sell the music from a CD in the virtual format for, lets say, $ 5? I could aford that!

But, NO! They just want to continue selling their CDs for $20 or $30 and those who cannot aford it just go fuck themselves! And if they try to download it from someone who bought the actual product and decided to share, they will just call everyone a thief and threat lawsuit!

So what can we do? Times have changed. We, the costumers evolved, but the record companies refuse to do the same and wanna keep things like they were before the internet! It's just impossible!!

That's my two cents... Thanks for the attention.

maybe this thread should be locked until the album actually hits the net.

The thing about the companies that release film scores that we need to try and remember is that on the whole they don't shift the units that mainstream companies will. These people do it for a love of film music and to be honest for a 'dying' medium we are in the middle of a golden age of score releases. Now, I know very little about this but I'd imagine limited runs are as much to do with licensing fees than they are with telling those that can't afford it to go an fuck themselves. A licence to sell 1500 will be a lot less than a licence to sell 15000 and so on. I'm not taking a moral stance whatsoever, but the people behind Intrada, FSM and La-La Land Records are running businesses - I can see them being angry as Hell and I can understand that. I have no idea how much it costs to licence downloads either - but it won't be cheap.

Personally I tend to download anything OOP and expanded just because I love film music - I buy more than I download and yes, it seems that every month we are given more and more great film scores that we might want to own.

I have more of a problem with fuckers that buy 100 copies of something like Predator and then sell them on via eBay for huge mark ups. They are a blight on film score collecting and possibly one of the reasons behind pirating, not a huge one but still they do deprive many people the chance to own scores at the original price.

I make no judgement on anyone here but I do think the anger being delivered towards the companies that produce these albums is unjustified and unfair - we are all stealing from them. It doesn't matter how you look at it that is what we are doing.

How you feel about that is a matter for you and you alone but the whole culture of people sitting telling the people who go and buy the product that they NEEEEEED any score is a bit much. No-one needs a score, you might want a score but it's not food or clothing. Your life will go on pretty much exactly as it did before Batman Returns the full score was released.

However, we must remember that we might be the beast that eats itself - companies make less money on something and that means they can't afford to buy the same amount of licence rights that they may have wanted for...oh I dunno, say a two disc release of Die Hard 2...this means they can licence 1000 copies rather than 2000, this could eventually go on until FSM, LA-La Land, Intrada just don't see any real financial point in continuing and then - 'poof' - it all goes and other people who thought about doing it see it's financially unviable and then we are left with 45 minutes of music from whatever Hans Zimmer score comes next.

Just a real idoits guide to what a thief is or not! so maye this can be cleared up.

If i break and enter a house and steal, say a Sony Blu Ray player, A Sony 40" widescreen flatscreen TV and say a Sony Hi fi.... Have i stolen from the person that bought the electricals...or Sony?

See, when you use the word *Theif* you have to be careful on what you are implying. If i stole all that equipment, i think it is fair to say i stole it from the person that bought it. Not sony (and yeah, i am gonna get ripped for *Sony are a big business and yadayaydayada, FSM and the likes are small and do this for this and that and that and this yadayaday) but isnt the principal the same?

I dont think the people that download the scores are theives..

Let me give you a fucked up analogy!

If YOU bought the new lalanad releases, and i broke into your house and stole them... have i stolen them from YOU or LALALAND!! - Yeah, i know the answer...its the same prinicipal that has been hit on already...

If i was a county court judge, or a high court judge and on Friday i have 2 cases to be presented to me to judge! One, a mass child abuser rapist and the other someone that illegally downloaded 100 limtied edition film scores.

On friday morning, i was presented with a dillema, i have only one prison cell.. o can only send 1 of the perpetraitors to jail... which one do i send?

I could of course justify it by sending the child rapist to jail and then give a fine to the downloader... but am i really to expect that someone that cannot afford $30 for a cd that he or she could afford a $30,000 fine

A Dillema that i will let those that accuse the criminal and do the crime..

*sigh*... are we really gonna keep trying to argue with people... This thread was created to just start problems again..please close it down -_-

Gee. All I meant to say was that I'm pissed off at those who cry "Share it" when the album just came out. I do not despise those that actually share the music... Sorry if anyone misunderstood me...

an argument on;y breaks out when someone disagrees or agrees with someone or someones views...someting that only one person can not have any control of it. Someone will no doubt had a disagreement with you about people arguing, its the way of the world, the only way to stop it is to remain instrumental in your views... but isnt that our right to view an opinion, good or bad! the facts remain the same as my point a few posts ago... the only way to stop it from happening here is to remove the download section adnd allow someone to set one up somewhere else and only invite those that wish to upload/download to their hearts conten in the humblest ignorance to those that do not agree with it! ....... SIMPLES!!!

Theft is the taking of someone elses property without that persons given consent - I buy a CD I am not also buying licening rights, I am entering a very specific contract and that is the CD is for personal use. Can uploading it for a world wide audience to download for free be called personal use. Well I am personally doing it but I'm releaing it into the public - who then can take it and not have to pay. The CD and Jewel Case are my property, the music contained within isn't my property - I have no claims to it other than the contract that I entered into by buying it.

Technically if any of us download a score without paying the licence or rights owner then we are stealing.

This isn't a judgement - as I am in no position to judge - it is a fact though

I think think the thread should remain, now it is here. These feelings have been simmering, and as long as the discussion remains civil, might as well have a place to air them out some....

All I want to say is that record companies - small or big - should try to take advantage of the new technologies available and stop trying make people go back to the time these technologies doesn't exist. Plain and simple.

Make the new Batman Returns available to download for $5 bucks on LLL website and I will paid it! Since I only one option - pay $30 for the real CD - I will continue to download it for free since someone is kind enough to share with us...

Just a real idoits guide to what a thief is or not! so maye this can be cleared up.

If i break and enter a house and steal, say a Sony Blu Ray player, A Sony 40" widescreen flatscreen TV and say a Sony Hi fi.... Have i stolen from the person that bought the electricals...or Sony?

See, when you use the word *Theif* you have to be careful on what you are implying. If i stole all that equipment, i think it is fair to say i stole it from the person that bought it. Not sony (and yeah, i am gonna get ripped for *Sony are a big business and yadayaydayada, FSM and the likes are small and do this for this and that and that and this yadayaday) but isnt the principal the same?

I dont think the people that download the scores are theives..


If you buy a TV you pay for it once, then it is yours, if you pay for a CD or a DVD etc it�s yours, but yours only as acording to the law it is forbidden to copy and share that CD or DVD to someone else. I didnt write that law, but that is the truth. You can sell your TV in second hand and you can sell your CD/DVD in second hand, but making a copy of the cd/DVD you may not (atleast not to spread amongst others) a TV is alittle difficult to copy...

The music on the CD is owned by the label and the artists and they ofcourse makes money of every cd/DVD that is sold, but for every CD/DVD that is copied and shared, they do not, but the people who gets that CD/DVD without buying an original gets it (often)for free (and that material is licenced to someone). its called copyright theft and the thieves in this case are the ones who breakes the copyright (the sharers)
No matter what...sharing music (if it isnt public domain) is a crime...I didnt write the Book of Law and I do not follow it either, but people must see that it is ilegal what we are doing...then again I am not the saint myself (otherwise I wouldnt be here *LOL*)

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All I want to say is that record companies - small or big - should try to take advantage of the new technologies available and stop trying make people go back to the time these technologies doesn't exist. Plain and simple.

Make the new Batman Returns available to download for $5 bucks on LLL website and I will paid it! Since I only one option - pay $30 for the real CD - I will continue to download it for free since someone is kind enough to share with us...

Yes this they could do as I understand that not everyone has that kind of money...

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I could of course justify it by sending the child rapist to jail and then give a fine to the downloader... but am i really to expect that someone that cannot afford $30 for a cd that he or she could afford a $30,000 fine


What is that Baretta tune...
Dont do that crime if you cant take that time...dont do it... *LOL*

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*sigh*... are we really gonna keep trying to argue with people... This thread was created to just start problems again..please close it down -_-

Ofcourse we may have a discussion as this is an importent subject...most of us here are into downloads and hopefully we are adults that takes responibility for our own lives. But what I do not understand is that some people think it is fully justified to do this without knowing it is a crime we are commiting.

The subject got sidetracked as this was from the beginning people asking for something that almost hadnt gotten a release before asking for it.
If it is THAT importent to those eole, why dont they buy it??
i see you have it on your wishlist, are you buing it then? (Yes I did)

and yes , this thread could have been started by a troll to stir up discussions again and get the FSM people back here again...who knows??

Ya, but this discussion pops up in a lot of threads now, so may as well have it.

Of course the sharing is a crime. I admit that. It is just easier to ignore that fact, when there are no "real" people involved. If I were to start mugging people for cash ( for my meds---needed to live), I would have to deal with them, see the harm I was doing. Taking music for free, or offering it for free, I see nothing but a pc screen, so the concept feels foggy, and distant...ie, what's the harm? But make no mistake, music sharing IS illegal.

The thing about the companies that release film scores that we need to try and remember is that on the whole they don't shift the units that mainstream companies will. These people do it for a love of film music and to be honest for a 'dying' medium we are in the middle of a golden age of score releases. Now, I know very little about this but I'd imagine limited runs are as much to do with licensing fees than they are with telling those that can't afford it to go an fuck themselves. A licence to sell 1500 will be a lot less than a licence to sell 15000 and so on. I'm not taking a moral stance whatsoever, but the people behind Intrada, FSM and La-La Land Records are running businesses - I can see them being angry as Hell and I can understand that. I have no idea how much it costs to licence downloads either - but it won't be cheap.

Very true.
Soundtrack speciality labels like FSM, Lalaland, Intrada, etc., who are nothing but a small company in the whole music industry and focused in a niche market that is soundtracks, payed all the costs in order to get a license from the studios and to produce the CD's. Basicly the movie studios who have the recording tapes in their vaults, say to the labels to paid them to obtain a license or get off. So a license to sell 1000 units will be less of 2000, and so on.
Not only that but also the costs for the soundtrack labels to produce a CD (transfering, mastering, editing, graphic design, writing the liner notes, printing, etc.), which involves a lot of people who doesn't work to the labels for free. I don't know how much it costs to release a CD, but i suspect that it isn't cheap.

Yes, it is illegal - but only because big record companies made lobbies with politicians all over the world to make it illegal.

This is the big problem with capitalism: it works fine for those who have the money. For the rest... well, just make laws to assure they can be fucked without any chance to complain.

But now the internet make us all "criminals" simply because we want to listen to the music we love and don't have the money to spent on EVERY new real CD they launch in the market!

So I say: it's time to change the laws to incorporate the new technologies available istead of forcing people to live like if they still are in the vinyl era! Laws CAN (and SHOULD) change. Remember: slavery was LEGAL not too long ago...

Of course the sharing is a crime...

Regardless all qualifications such as "illegal", "crime", piracy", "copyright infrigement" ect...

What shocks me the most around here is the abuse. Just the abuse. (Look at this member posting his whole soundtrack collection for instance). All this seems definitely related to the addiction of a few ones, and the rest only follow.

Anyway, very interesting discussion. ;)

We are all here to share and/or download illegal material, so lets not jump in the back of a high white horse and start judging people, because it's just hypocritical.

The record companies - big and small - should be worried in how to reinvente itselves to adapt to the new virtual downloading era instead of trying to force people to live in medieval times.

if people who have it regardless from where they got it from wanna share it, thats their choice & they have the right to do so. if u contact the company, they wont care. at best, they just say "I am Sorry sir/ma'am. You may try to purchase when the price goes down. But we cannot lower the price at the point & time". After waiting for days through email or hours o nthe phone, thats the best they got. And I know that from experience. Call me and/or my statement crazy or stupid if u want to. i dont care one bit. my statement is this:

I believe the vast majority of (who knows? Maybe all) people who share released material on here know it is wrong in some way shape or form even if it was unintentional. I think they share for different reasons. For uploaders who got it for free: they got it originally simply because it was music they wanted & they were able to get it without paying a nickel. They want others to have that gratification. The gratification of getting the music they want for free just like the uploader(s) did. I see nothing wrong with that.

If someone wants to share their collection, let em. thats not abusive. if they were forced to, yeah then its abusive. i believe people uploading their stuff are sending a message to these companies with freedom. theyre uploading/downloading to say "We don't need to pay $30 for your stuff cuz we can get it here for free. We'll buy when you lower the price". No in today's economy can pay $30 for a 2 disc set? People don't have jobs. And the ones who do have their own expenses that they understandably must pay more attention to. This is 2010. We are in a very big, a major economical crisis. With or without college, it is VERY DIFFICULT to obtain any job, much less a stable one. Add to that, the power of technology, like it or not, admit or not, even accept it or not, the reality is: there will be alternatives. And that alternative is the internet. Itunes Store may be another. But (1) that is not as big as the net as not everyone has itunes & (2) to get itunes, you need the net so it ties into (1) & (3) most prefer net over itunes because itunes will charge & it does not have everything like the net does. Example: Either itunes won't have the band (HIM - they have them now but at one time for a long time, they did not) u are looking for or they don't have the specific album (Expanded Archival Collection of Batman.....).

I will write more as more thoughts come.

We are all here to share and/or download illegal material, so lets not jump in the back of a high white horse and start judging people, because it's just hypocritical.

I'm not judging (or perhaps when I talk of some abuse), I'm shocked and I try to understand. "Addiction" is one of the possble reason... "addiction" and of course the "I don't have a life" matter. And if I observe there are a handful of people who need their computer and Internet to maintain the illusion they are somebody, I'm not judging neither.


The record companies - big and small - should be worried in how to reinvente itselves to adapt to the new virtual downloading era instead of trying to force people to live in medieval times.

I already agreed on that a bunch of posts back, and I'm still doing. You said it very well in one of your last posts.

downloading for free is seen as stealing. stealing, as a law is wrong. NOT THAT SIMPLE. laws are broken all the time. cops who enforce laws, who arrest people for breaking them, break their own laws because they have POWER. well uploaders & downloaders have POWER to obtain material for FREE. Example: If people steal food, it is wrong in terms of the law. but if they do it because they cannot afford food & if you google, you'll see a vast majority of people, even countries can't, then they steal to survive which is a good reason to steal. you need to survive. Survive by any means. This is the same concept. And don't give me music is not food, you can live without music. WRONG. People NEED music. im not saying they particularly need film/game music, but fact is, MUSIC IS NEEDED. As least I believe so because I believe music purifies the soul. You can dance to it, sing along, hear it in the background while talking, having fun, etc. It is everywhere. If people find that need in film/game music, well hooray. Good for them. Then to them, this kind of music is their food. I am in love with classical music. Any classical music. It just so happens that the majority of classical music I love is from films/games/tv, etc. But i'd love it just as much if it wasnt. I love it so much, I'd marry it if it were a person. Yet it isnt. It gives me so much relaxation that this music is my best friend, seriously it is. If I can get it for free, oh hell yeah I will!! Because friendship is & always should be PRICELESS.

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"We are all here to share and/or download illegal material, so lets not jump in the back of a high white horse and start judging people, because it's just hypocritical."

No disagreement from here. I find any & all judging bad & hypocritical because people who say it is bad & shouldn't be done do it themselves. I think we are all like that. We judge & take things for granted all the time even though we know it is wrong & shouldn't be done....especially after seeing all the poor people who have nothing. That is hypocritical of us. And if you say you don't do any or one of these things, you're lying. And that's a fact.

The album has finally been posted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uZr3JWYdy8). FLAC, VBR, scans, etc. etc.

I think that discussion has given enough material for each one to consider his own acts and path. Each one has his point of view, his life, and with all these differences some still meet and some don't...

I'll reach my own conclusions far from the noise. ;-)


Edit: .........What's that damn small smiley ???!!! ^

"The album has finally been posted. FLAC, VBR, scans, etc. etc."

U linked us to a youtube video of PaintRoll'd which was uploaded by a user named ihasmario. lol that has nothing 2 do with Batman.

And don't give me music is not food, you can live without music. WRONG. People NEED music. im not saying they particularly need film/game music, but fact is, MUSIC IS NEEDED. As least I believe so because I believe music purifies the soul. You can dance to it, sing along, hear it in the background while talking, having fun, etc. It is everywhere.


Music is everywhere - buy a cheap radio and you'll hear music.

I am only being Devil's Advocate but the most recent LA-LA Land releases or Intrada releases are not a need and to compare the downloading of music to a starving person stealing a loaf of bread is a cheap sounding argument. Is anyone's lives really going to be significantly better quality now that these scores have been released? Will people die without owning Star Trek V? No, of course they won't.

I love film music - I buy film music - I download rarities and get a rush when I get my hands on something that I didn't know existed and download it or when I find that it is OOP (and while I will buy CD's I won't buy something from a profiteer) - I absolutely understand the reasons for coming here. I don't agree with all of the justifications that sometimes get used to 'excuse' downloading. I steal music on occasion and accept that's what I do - I have no moral or legal excuse to justify that.

A starving human being is very different from a human being that doesn't own a complete score no matter what is said.

"Music is everywhere - buy a cheap radio and you'll hear music.

I am only being Devil's Advocate but the most recent LA-LA Land releases or Intrada releases are not a need and to compare the downloading of music to a starving person stealing a loaf of bread is a cheap sounding argument. Is anyone's lives really going to be significantly better quality now that these scores have been released? Will people die without owning Star Trek V? No, of course they won't.

I love film music - I buy film music - I download rarities and get a rush when I get my hands on something that I didn't know existed and download it or when I find that it is OOP (and while I will buy CD's I won't buy something from a profiteer) - I absolutely understand the reasons for coming here. I don't agree with all of the justifications that sometimes get used to 'excuse' downloading. I steal music on occasion and accept that's what I do - I have no moral or legal excuse to justify that.

A starving human being is very different from a human being that doesn't own a complete score no matter what is said. "

Agreed but I was using a starving person to illustrate a point. Perhaps I used a wrong example. I accept that as I'm allowed to make mistakes. My point(s) are music is essential & stealing is not wrong. If stealing was wrong, NO ONE would do it on the street unless they are idiots who are basically asking to be arrested. Get my point? Say what u will but long as u get my point, good.

If stealing was wrong, NO ONE would do it on the street unless they are idiots who are basically asking to be arrested. Get my point? Say what u will but long as u get my point, good.

If stealing was not wrong, we would call that another word... Like "sharing" for exemple. See ? ;)

I'll just comment on the "abuse and addiction" thing. And I am not really sure you are wrong there...

A year ago, I had no PC. I had no IE. I was not aware that any of these small labels existed, or composer's promos or anything. If I wanted music, it was from Wal-Mart, or Best Buy. And we all know how pathetic the score sections in stores like that are. So, when I discovered this place, and others like it, it was like being a kid in a candy store, with unlimited access and no rules. I have downloaded TONS of stuff, often just as a whim. These days I also share, and hunt down albums for people. I have posted lists of my collection, and will share anything I have with anyone. I do not personally believe it is abusive. I just want to give back to a community that opened my eyes, and provided many--most--of my personal Holy Grails. All with grace and openess. And some of you (Ariel) already know how much that music has meant to me the past few months. Now, am I addicted? Perhaps. I pend a lot of time on this, and it is the main reason I have maintained IE access. I may not for much longer. I am dearly hoping for these albums to post, before I shut down. But the reason I share, is that so many here shared with me. I feel that if I can help, then I ought to. A sort of "pay it forward" thing. So to me, not abuse.

Actually, sacrifices cannot be made. I go to no movies, no restaurants. I live on Social Security, and meds costs range close to a thousand a month, which I cannot pay. I do not have access to meds to save my life, so "trimming" a few things is not the issue. Even the IE access is going by the end of the month. I could not buy even one product from you, let alone all. So, sharing is the only option if I want to hear the set. And I do, and I will. That simple.

As an aside, cd's usually cost between 15 to 20 in the store. 30 is too high. Plain and simple.

HOHOHO NICE DICKS!!!!! DO JEW HAVE TIT IN FLACCOES?!?!?!??!

Edit: oh god i drank too much tonight eh?

All I can say is that thanks to the nice people who had the hard work to share their soundtrack albuns virtually I was able to finally listen to music that I love and was never able to buy or discover other works that I would never buy even if I had the money.

To record companies's executives, worried ONLY by the amount of profit their products will bring to them not the artist, you can be "criminals" - but to me you are heroes.

Hi everyone! I co-produced this album, edited it and assembled it and worked closely with John Takis on the liner notes. It breaks my heart to put so much hard work into this and seeing people willing to steal it. If you like this kind of release, buy it. Go to two fewer movies per year. Go to the supermarket instead of a restaurant a few nights. $30 for a quality product (and make no mistake about it, this is a great album) is not a lot to ask and sacrifices can be made. Budget accordingly and it can be yours. Downloading it illegally is not the way to support releases that you enjoy. It hurts everyone. It's not victimless, no matter how you spin it to suit your entitled way of thinking.

As for if you can't buy it, you can't have it, you will never succeed in getting that message to stick in this day and age. But, good luck with that though.

The small companies cannot sell their CDs for a smaller price because of the lobby made by big record companies' executives who are worried in make more profits to buy a new Mercedes Benz or something like it.

If you can download it download it and not sell it, buy it and not sell it but rip it and share it with your friends.

EVERYONE WINS!!!!!! "throws confetti"

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If you can download it download it and not sell it, buy it and not sell it but rip it and share it with your friends.

EVERYONE WINS!!!!!! "throws confetti"

EDIT; sorry need sleep now

That's all you needed to say. You just think it's too expensive in general. As I said, you can spin it anyway you like, but what it comes down to is an inflated sense of entitlement. "I want it, but it's too expensive but I won't let that stop me." I bet if it was $10 you'd still think it was too much and would still illegally download it.

But it doesn't matter. Any links I find will be immediately sent to my contacts at Warner Bros. They don't take kindly to their copyrighted material being given away and will pursue this. I worked too hard to make this album great and want people to enjoy it properly.

Neil


Won't stop the sharing though. There are dozens and dozens of sites with the Ron Jones project, yelling at people here only seemed to inflame interest in finding it. As for pricing, it is a minor aside. I have no money, so it is a moot point. But, yes if it were say, 15, in a store , I would be sorely tempted to just not buy insulin instead.But it is not in stores, it is not 15, and it is a limited edition, so slowly saving bits over a few months, not really the option either. Report links, it is your right. Go directly to Sarah and ask for links to come down. I do not know the process, but there is one. But so far, there are no links. So far, it has not been posted. So, just having a discussion in general here. Getting angry at folks just for discussing their personal thoughts about the situation is silly. Talk to us, don't talk to us. But lectures anger and such...silly.

It still shock me on how arrogant these people who work with record companies can be.

We live in a new age of virtual exchange of data that was not possible a few years ago and those guys want all of us to continue to spend 30 bucks for a CD, when you can record more then 5 ALBUMS in on CD on mp3!

I made some rapid mathematics here and I would spend something like US$ 1.890 if I bought all the CDs I wanted just in the last 3 months!

But if they were all available to download at US$5 I would pay it gladly... But since they only gave me ONE option - BUY THE REAL CD OR FUCK YOURSELF! - then I say: fuck them! I will download it "illegally"!

Can someone please delete this fucking thread?

It's pissing me off seeing it at the top of the page everytime I visit here.

Don't mean to derail... but I keep seeing OOP in this thread. What does OOP stand for?

Ok, but the general public, your consumers don't know or care about that stuff. They only care about the bottom line, especially right now. Generally, for most families, buying music, movies etc is an expense that can be trimmed. But, they will still grab it for free if it is presented. That is the era you are trying to do business in. People want quick, easy, and cheap. Generally. There will always be those collecters who want the "deluxe" deal. The packaging, and actual discs, but i think it is obvious via itunes' success that a vast majority of consumers are just fine without any of that. They only wanna download to their ipods and such. Going out and saying you can't produce a product for less is not gonna register.

babydoll, you are right. But, BEWARE! He will contact his men in Warner Brothers to tell how bad we are because we don't have US$30 to buy the real CD!

So just fuck us and the rest of the people who can't aford it! Capitalism rules!!

oop means out of print. Many newer releases are limited runs, and older ones just aren't being made anymore. The theory here goes, if an album is oop, then the companies are no longer profiting buy it, so sharing is ok......

@ guntheri:

the response to that is, you have to choose which product you want. You can't have them all......telling him to fuck himself won't help anything btw, just makes things worse.

Hi everyone! I co-produced this album, edited it and assembled it and worked closely with John Takis on the liner notes. It breaks my heart to put so much hard work into this and seeing people willing to steal it. If you like this kind of release, buy it. Go to two fewer movies per year. Go to the supermarket instead of a restaurant a few nights. $30 for a quality product (and make no mistake about it, this is a great album) is not a lot to ask and sacrifices can be made. Budget accordingly and it can be yours. Downloading it illegally is not the way to support releases that you enjoy. It hurts everyone. It's not victimless, no matter how you spin it to suit your entitled way of thinking.

Sure you did. If you are really who you say you are, why don't you tell your bosses to consider digital distribution. Get with the 21st century.

I own the original "Batman Returns" release, by the way. While "your" new album seems pretty spiffy, three tenners plus shipping is too much to ask for 20 minutes of extra music, a second disc that's half filler, and slightly different sound.

EDIT:

I'm betting this guy is fake. No way an album producer would go trolling some random 'net forum.

He's going to do so anyway. He is already on the warpath, and it isn't even posted. But last I checked, just talking about things was still not illegal...well, in the US anyway.....

What shocks me is the way these people from record companies act like 21th century Torquemadas!

Why aren't they investing in digital distribution? Sell the real CD for $30 bucks, ok, but sell it for $5 or 8 bucks for download in mp3!

How's that so difficult????

But no, they still are in medieval times, so all the rest of mankind must be in it too!
I whish he said this to my 17 years old nephew who never, NEVER, bought a single official real CD in his entire life!

Mybe, or maybe not. We have generated a lot of attention lately. He has made two other posts btw, both in the thread the FSM ers had. He seems to have popped in from there.

EDIT:

I've changed my mind. This thread's gold!

The guy in question nsb123 is Neil S. Bulk, long time FSM-er, JWfan-er, etc, who in recent times has been elevated to a producer of these albums, so while you may not agree with him, you can be pretty sure of his involvement in these projects.
While I do understand his point, it does bother me slightly when people like him & Lukas K, etc, have a wealth of recording sessions in their possession, which they probably shouldn't have but still cry foul at the distribution of the commercial releases they work on.
I don't think that pretentious, hypocrite, cowardly wannabe guard dog LeHah from FSM would see the difference in the two, you think Neil?

I love all these guys and girls from FSM, LLL, Varese, Intrada, etc.
If I have a lot of money I would buy ALL their CDs! Honestly!
But I have not and I still love the music!
Can't you people think in a way to help the poor ones to get access to your releases withou having to spent 30 or 20 bucks to buy the real CD?

I've changed my mind. This thread's gold!

If Neil doesn't feel insulted, and if few here can watch their behaviour it can be a great opportunity to share ideas on new ways of distribution...

I must say one thing that disappointed me on the Batman Expanded (that I bought) was especially the liner notes: describing scored scenes from the film or dismembering the cues telling you such theme appears here or there... That's really something I disapprove since M. Matessino Star Wars SE releases... So a lossless digital copy at lower price isn't so bad idea.


PS: the graphics were terrible btw... Please contact me next time, I'm not too expensive. But I'm damn good !

I remember way back when (a long long time ago in an internet far far away) when there was several sites that traded film scores... the one that i was paarticularly drawn to (and this shows my age and how longi have been collecting) Was *Henks* that soon became *ScoreTrader* It was the best way and to get the rare stuff... I think at that time, the only main contenders of score releases of a limited release were FSM and Varese (perhaps Intrada too)
Long gone are those days of freedom. I totally agree with the fact that these guys pay their good money to get these scores released, despite what they may or may not have in their possession and its only fair they make their money back. Its all official, above board and legal.
My quote, some months back ala the Ron Jones set (which was totally miscostrued and misinterpreted) is paramount here. It isnt Lukas that owns the rights to the music, it isnt even the composer for most part... It is typically the Producer of the movie that holds the rights, well, at least 50% of it, with around 30% of it being owned by the distribution company (WB etc) and the remainder being divided between the investors (unless the investors are the executives at the distribution companies or the actual production company of the film)
Its only rare occassions that the composer will be given the rights to the film in turn of an extentual payment of their work, which of course gives them the right to do with it what they please )for promotion use, iTunes release, small limited release company like MSM, FSM, etc etc etc)..... I am sure my figures & percentages are a little (or possibly a lot) off! as it really depends on the major producer of the film on how the monetary value of the production gets distributed! My train of thought with that info is: Despite FSM etc not actually owning outright the rights of the music (unless they could actually afford it)! They pay for *Licencing* of their music... which is what a producer of a trailer would do if he wanted to use music composed by Two Steps From Hell *for example* But even on that level... When They sold the music to Sony to release, it becamse property of Sony (see where i am going with this)

It is totally unfair to put a bounty on the heads of those that release the music as they have no real control of what is released and of course, they have to pay for that licence (or copyright) to release it. Otherwise they will be like a like a lot of other *traders* out there and keep the scores to them selves and it never sees the light of day.. For that i personally am eternally grateful!...

For some , it is nice to hold the physical contents of a purchase in all its glory... But of course there are loads of people out there that cannot come up with the money in this crisis monetary climate.. and for those that produce it to say that if we cant afford what they ask for, tough, we cant have it.. kinda hits their potential future customer base with the attitude of *Fuck You Then* (some tides do turn and those that cannot afford it now, may well do in the future) But we had to admit and so do the producers of the releases of the *limiteds* have to realise how tempting it is to download it once it is offered for free!

I am not saying that everyone that downloads a score will be a Murderer, Rapist, Armed Robber in the future, o making the comparison is just useless ranting! But not everyone, at this tage (baring in mind most here that actually are on the defensive) are college goers/university goers/out of workers (which as commented on, will of course change in the near future) and for those money is limited and what they get, especially here in the UK where now the fees for going to college has gone up (hense the outrage over it over here) Is hitting them and putting them in more debt before they finish college/university. So it is tough for them to make ends meet as it is.. And of course, their moral aptitude may be of which is, they cant afford it right now, but when they can they will buy.

My last attempt at reaching out to both sides (as i have just morally been on the side of both) is to release digital downloads of said releases, leaving the cd's for hardcore collectors...Offer it in wav and release the artork too.. You know as one has already said, he has worked so hard on the bloody things that he wont let sleeping dogs lie... so with the billions of people out there in the big wide world that possibly do not even know these companies exist yet.. Some times word of mouth is the best way to get noticed for your hardwork.. And wouldnt it be nice to get noticed and recognised for your hardwork by more than the 1000/2000/5000 people that are fortunate enough to purchase the cd's... Cos i am guessing more people would be inclined to buy it, rather than download it if they knew they could get it as a download, for a fraction of the price, from the companies and be morally bound and dutiful, then illegally download it and get a criminal record, along with their enormous debt to society for actually wanting to make a living when they leave education!... It also broadens the market factor and potential customer base. Even have a link to the download section here and all other forums like this one to actually promote the concept and the whereabouts of downloading it! To me, it is a win/win situation!

I am positive that between those that do download and those that put in the hardwork and cash can come to some mutual agreement that lifts the friction and arguments of something that can be solved!

PS, forgive my dreadful grammar. it is almost 4am here, i have a bad sinus problem and drugged up with Olbas Oil - YAY ME!

My question is simple: why they don't sell their albuns also virtually on mp3 at a very low price like US$5?

They don't think it's commercially viable?
Or is it because of some legal issue?

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My question is simple: why they don't sell their albuns also virtually on mp3 at a very low price like US$5?

They don't think it's commercially viable?
Or is it because of some legal issue?

I am sure there is a lot of red tape we dont know about! it may well be the companies (as mentioned... either production company/distribution company) or other that lends its attention and input on how many are allowed to be released and it may be those in question that dont see the catchment of the process that is Digital Download.. So it is not drafted up in the Licencing agreement contract! there are so many facets to actually take into account... Its like when Take That release an album, it can cost up to (and sometimes over) 1 Million to actually promote/viral the album so the producer has to take that gamble in releasing it in hope it actually makes the money back!

Well, regardless the reason why they don't sell it to virtual downloading, they should let us know what they think about it instead of this "CAN'T BUY THE CD THEN PISS OFF" atitude!

I agree! Not that they need to or have to, but as a consumer that has openly stated that digital downloads is a way forward. It would be generous of those that claim it isnt worthwhile, for whatever reason, to be willing to divulge that information to us (perhaps then we could be a bit more understanding about the reaosn, if we knew about it)

I am sure that virutal downloading is something they are possibly considering anyway! i mean a lot of the RIAA related companies are doing it via iTunes... I mean lets just sit back a bit and think on how many times the Beatles collection has been released and bought (and no doubt downloaded for free by many many people) Yet they release it as a digitial download... there has to be a very tactical reason why they would do that! and it is to SELL SELL SELL more... over the last 40 years (1970 when the beatles split) the MILLIONS of people that would have bought/downloaded the 13 commercial albums is totally staggering! by releasing it digitally, they can only expect more... and i bet they will too!

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You know what the most mind boggling thing is.... If it wasnt for the internet revolution, i personally wouldnt know FSM/VCL and the likes would actually exist.... They may say (we sell if you call us with our PHONE NUMBER) which is great... But i need to head to your webpage in order to get your number and for that, i require the internet... so they are already using the means possible to sell teir product, it will only be a matter of time before the new dawn catches up with them.

They should stop looking at us as "criminals" and start looking as "potential new customers"...

Like I said, I have more than 500 LEGAL CDs in my collection. I stoped buying because I simple cannot afford it anylonger! So they lost me forever and don't care?? And now I became a criminal just because I'm using other ways to get access to the great music they're releasing?

This simple makes no sense at all!

... If it wasnt for the internet revolution, i personally wouldnt know FSM/VCL and the likes would actually exist....

Ditto. And ironically, I wouldn't have known about Lala Land without FFshrine (I remember when a couple of years ago I thought Lala Land was a bootleg label! lol).

nsb: your signature says Neil. What is your last name? I know a Neil who LOVES Batman. I wonder if you are him. His last name is Benjamin. He composed music for the game, Chrono Trigger. Never played it so idk how many there were or which one specifically he composed music for. Couldve been all for all I know.

"If stealing was not wrong, we would call that another word... Like "sharing" for exemple. See ?"

No I do not. So you think stealing is wrong? Did you ever "steal" an album from here? If so, then you're deliberately over the boarder hypocritical. Because you "steal" albums & then tell someone else that it is wrong to do so. I don't see you point above because it is illogical. What are you a cop, a law enforcer, the president? That is an exact quote they would say. In fact, they already have to me. The laws are created by ignorant people who have to much power & don't know how to follow the laws they make yet they can say it's wrong for others to disobey them. I refuse to buy a 2 disc cd that is $30. You can all me cheap, retarded, I do not care. Say what you will. With new technology, companies will fall unless they adhere to customer's demands because IT IS THE CUSTOMERS TO GIVE THEM & KEEP THEM IN BUSINESS.

Don't mean to derail... but I keep seeing OOP in this thread. What does OOP stand for?

"Out of Print."

No I do not. So you think stealing is wrong? Did you ever "steal" an album from here? If so, then you're deliberately over the boarder hypocritical. Because you "steal" albums & then tell someone else that it is wrong to do so....

I don't think we know each other. I already replied to this question though, in this same thread. All is not "black" or "white". Take it easy.

I give the WWE a LOT of credit. They have been criticized & whatnot on the net for YEARS. But business wise, 9x out of 10, they are pretty smart. Their newest album, Vol.10 was on Amazon MP3 for only $2, the entire album! I bought it on its first day! THis a very good example of the old saying, "Less Is More". Less money means more money. People were attracted by the $2 & the album, as far as I know, was the best sales in music they has since Vol.3 which was out in 98. Why can't they use Amazon MP3 or Itunes to release their stuff - I mean La-La, Intranda, GET DIGITAL IF U WANT SALES! IT IS 2010! MODERN TIMES! USE OUR TECHNOLOGY!

And now I became a criminal just because I'm using other ways to get access to the great music they're releasing?

This simple makes no sense at all!

How does this not make sense to you? I tell you what, you work all week, and I'll come collect your paycheck at the end of the week from you, and you just worked for free. Is that alright?

Obviously a stretch, and I'm wasting my time even posting this and am going to be shunned by hundreds, but don't really care. Downloading media that is commercially available is ILLEGAL, so yes, this makes us all criminals, technically. I'm not washing my hands, because I've gotten my fair share of stuff from here. But I don't bitch and whine like a spoiled child when someone says I can't have something I didn't pay for, because guess what, I SHOULDN'T be allowed to have something I didn't pay for. I consider each score I get from here a blessing, and to be honest with you I end up buying all the ones I like and deleting the ones I don't. I use it as a demo service. Doesn't make it "legal", but I'm ok with it.

The only case I make an exception is when I find promo scores on here that they never made commercially available. That's my favorite stuff to find on here, stuff that was never released, and I don't feel sorry for anyone in those cases because they had the chance to make a dollar and they passed, so by all means, fuck 'em.

The mere fact that 95% (or more it seems) of the people on here seem to think that they are entitled to free shit sort of baffles me. And then coming up with excuses like "Oh they're rich, they don't need the money" or "They shouldn't charge so much" is even more confusing. Do you not stop to think for just a few seconds that if these companies decide they are wasting their time because they aren't recouping their losses that they won't even release the scores anymore? Then where are you going to get it? Nowhere, because it won't exist. If you aren't willing to pay for it eventually, even later on down the road, then you shouldn't be allowed to have it. Do you walk into Target or Wal-Mart and just take shit off the shelves because you're entitled to eat, or watch movies?

I'm not trying to make any enemies here, though I'm sure I will. I just get tired of reading post after post of the attitude that "I love music, so I'm entitled to it for free. FUCK THE MAN!!" I like driving and eating too, but these services cost money, because someone had to make the product that I'm using/consuming.

I might agree with you, MIGHT, that some things are overpriced. I didn't enjoy shelling out $30 or whatever for Star Trek Deluxe, but I did. Or $20 or more for LOST: Last Episodes, but I did. And I also agree with you that it would be in their best interest to make it available a lot cheaper to people who don't want to physically own it. That's great, iTunes away!! But that's not the argument here, the argument is the people who believe they deserve everything they want when they want it and dammit they aren't paying for a damn thing, because "the economy sucks". Give me a break, if it were 4 years ago right before the economy tanked, you probably weren't paying for shit then either.

Just think of each share as a blessing, not something you deserve because you exist and breathe and "like music". And this is all academic anyway, because someone very soon will probably post "Batman Returns" or whatever the hell else it is that someone "can't live without" next week, and all will pounce on it like a crack whore in heat.

End rant, and I fully expect everyone to tell me I'm a pretentious asshole. But owell, it is what it is I always say.

Oh and by the way, the "you" in this is a collective "you" not one person. I've been reading complaints like this one more than one thread, and I've finally exploded.

"All is not Black or white. Take it easy."

Wow lol. I know it isn't. I was trying to explain that earlier in this thread. Whether I sued the right example or a good example or neither is another subject. Someone felt I was wrong. User's entitled to their opinion as am I. maybe he should be told to take it easy lol.

...and to be honest with you I end up buying all the ones I like and deleting the ones I don't. I use it as a demo service. Doesn't make it "legal", but I'm ok with it.

The only case I make an exception is when I find promo scores on here that they never made commercially available. That's my favorite stuff to find on here, stuff that was never released, and I don't feel sorry for anyone in those cases because they had the chance to make a dollar and they passed...

Exactly the same for me (what replies more precisely to phenomenangel).

Besides I wonder how the hard soundtrack collectors who post on FSM - for instance - can pretend ignoring and being indifferent to such stuff (complete, promos and recording sessions), I mean even Lukas Kendall, the other producers and the "straight" posters, when I'm even not myself a BIG soundtracks fan! (I'm still wondering what J. Debney music looks like, if you see).

Also I completely agree with your whole post here. ;)

Arial - ''Exactly the same for me (what replies more precisely to phenomenangel).''

I am not sure exactly what you are referring to & whether you agree with it or not. I have many comments here as you can see.

Thanks for your hard work nsb123, ive bought a copy and cant wait to here. We got snow over here in the UK right now and id love to listen to this score while walking in the snow one late evening. :)

Cerberus, your analogy makes no sense at all. One thing is work all week to get a check, another is to produce a record and put it on the market. I already stated that I am not buying ANY CD in the last 3 years or more. So record companies are not losing any money just because I am getting the music via virtual downloading. In the end you are just making a passionate defense of the capitalist system which are now proved to everyone be a terrible one.

I understand this is a complex matter and involves legal issues, but laws can be changed to benefit the majority of the people and not just a few greed executives which still want to live in medieval times when they could say: "Buy the record or piss off!".

One cannot stop progress and now we all can share our music with others via internet. If the law say it's illegal, well them those who think are losing money because of this should force politicians to change de laws to acomodate the new technology available in a way they could make profits by using it!

Why FSM doesn't sell Outland score via downloading by a fair price is beyond my comprehension!

Well yes, you alone not buying CDs isn't going to affect anyone's bottom line. That's common sense, and I'm glad to see you practicing it because a lot of people don't these days. But if everyone were to do the same thing that you (we? I'm guilty too) are doing, then yes, I think it would start to eat into their profits a little. And Capitalism doesn't work now? This is news to me, when did this occur? Overnight? It has it's problems, and those problems do stem from the greediest of the bunch, I can't argue that point. Even I have issues with CEOs and their inflated bonuses and the like, but it's a far superior system to anything else I've seen, such as Communism or Socialism. You can't take nothing and spread it amongst everyone, doesn't work that way. It LOOKS good on paper, but everyone would stop working hard because the people that don't still get to enjoy the same benefits as them, so why bother working harder? This is a separate topic though, so back to the original one...

In the end, I CAN support you on your argument that it should be made available for a lower price for those that don't care about owning the physical product. I can agree with that. I personally enjoy owning a tangible product, but I realize I'm in the minority these days. I cringe at the thought of a digital only world where we never have anything to physically hold, but that's another story entirely. But for anyone just assuming that they deserve free music because they like listening to it, no. Not at all. That amounts to the same amount of logic as saying I can take money out of someone's register because I've got bills to pay.

Man does this thread BURN! :p

C'mon guys, let's just keep this as a request and let this convo be. Sometime soon, maybe not here, somebody WILL leak this and we'll get it. No matter what WE say, or what a-suppossed-person-involved-in-this-soundtrack says.

So, let's not get off-topic and talk about they way we 'do-things'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUFT35S7Jb4&feature=related

Really. :p, just stop it.

You're right, I got carried away in my own opinion. My apologies.

Guntherl says ''I understand this is a complex matter and involves legal issues, but laws can be changed to benefit the majority of the people and not just a few greed executive. One cannot stop progress and now we all can share our music with others via internet. If the law say it's illegal, well them those who think are losing money because of this should force politicians to change de laws to acomodate the new technology available in a way they could make profits by using it!''

Wooo! Did you lay it on Cerberus. This I most definitely agree with! Part of this goes back to my comment about buying WWE from Amazon MP3. Perfect example right there!

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and in all seriousness, im sure some are glad as am i that u understand what Guntherl was trying to say Cerberus. Good job. to show u how much respect i have for someone seeing things they way i feel they should be seen, i respectfully withdraw & take back the "Wooo! Did you lay it on Cerberus." as im feeling sensitive right now towards it.

At the attempt to rile no one, have there been any updates on this front in the last few days?

At the attempt to rile no one, have there been any updates on this front in the last few days?

Thanks to Ietwietwatje,it will this never show on this download section,if someone have it please pm me

Thanks to Ietwietwatje,it will this never show on this download section,if someone have it please pm me

great.......

i'd appreciate a PM if it turns up online, if not, i guess they'll be a torrent for it.....

it was never my intention the way things where going in this thread, i was looking for a thread for this album and because there was no thread about it i decided to make a thread with the intention to let everybody know that the soundtrack would be availible

Ps : sorry for my bad english, i hope you all can understand me

I'm begging somebody to please upload this. I've already made my order (god knows when it'll get here after last time) and since I've burned out the original Batman album I really need my Batman Returns fix since most of my favorite cues were cut from the original album and until my order arrives, I'd like to get a sample. Even if it's through a PM that works, too. Thanks in advance.

I'm begging somebody to please upload this. I've already made my order (god knows when it'll get here after last time) and since I've burned out the original Batman album I really need my Batman Returns fix since most of my favorite cues were cut from the original album and until my order arrives, I'd like to get a sample. Even if it's through a PM that works, too. Thanks in advance.

I can only second this request!

*begs with big cat eyes*

I'm requesting this too. If not via thread/post, then a PM would be most appreciative. But it is still too early to expect one. The Batman 1989 Limited Edition was posted here quite a while after the release. Returns just came out. As the old saying goes, "Patience is a virtue" Virtue is a reward. It'll show up sooner or later. If not here, then via torrent like Funkster said. Seriously, with modern tech, how can it not turn up?

I'm requesting this too. If not via thread/post, then a PM would be most appreciative. But it is still too early to expect one. The Batman 1989 Limited Edition was posted here quite a while after the release. Returns just came out. As the old saying goes, "Patience is a virtue" Virtue is a reward. It'll show up sooner or later. If not here, then via torrent like Funkster said. Seriously, with modern tech, how can it not turn up?

Actually the Batman score was released after Comic-Con (since LaLaLand was selling them early during that time) was over but still uploaded prior to the day you could order it. Believe me.

I can only second this request!

Third...ed. Please someone upload it!

"Actually the Batman score was released after Comic-Con (since LaLaLand was selling them early during that time) was over but still uploaded prior to the day you could order it. Believe me."

Perhaps so. I was not aware of that. However, was it the same with Batman Returns? If not, I wouldn't expect it to appear here anytime soon, if ever.

"Actually the Batman score was released after Comic-Con (since LaLaLand was selling them early during that time) was over but still uploaded prior to the day you could order it. Believe me."

Perhaps so. I was not aware of that. However, was it the same with Batman Returns? If not, I wouldn't expect it to appear here anytime soon, if ever.

Nah, Batman Returns wasn't released to anyone until November 30. I'm beginning to think nobody is gonna upload it. If they don't by the time I get mine, I'll upload it. I'll only share to people who really really desperately want it.

I think a lot of people here are waiting for the score to sell out before they post a rip, as a gesture of support for LLL. If you decide to upload it, it'd be wise to distribute the link/password via PM.

"I think a lot of people here are waiting for the score to sell out before they post a rip, as a gesture of support for LLL. If you decide to upload it, it'd be wise to distribute the link/password via PM."

Couldn't agree more. In fact, I very strong suggest & recommend this be done.

I'd like this uploaded as mp3, FLAC, ALAC, so that people who want it in either format may very well take it. I'd personally tale ALAC as I can put it in my ipod at lossless quality
. I swear to Gold or as God as my witness, however you wanna say it, that if this was on Amazon digital MP3 download or the Itunes Store, I would have pre-ordered it the very forst time I saw a pre-order link anywhere. Same with Batman 1989 & just about every music cd, score, ost, game, whatever that has officially & commercially been released. And that is a FACT. A proven FACT as I bought the Batman Begins soundtrack among many other stuff off Itunes Store & bought WWE: The Music Vol.10 from Amazon MP3 (already bought Vol.3, 4, 5 from retail store when it was released as in before Amazon MP3 or Itunes Store existed)

If someone is sending out a code via PM, please PM me as I would consider myself one of the very desperate to get it! But I do think everyone should be allowed to enjoy it if somebody has a link. Star Trek V has shown up on the film score board so I'm not quite sure why Batman Returns has not popped up yet, I don't think anyone is blocking it.

Nah, Batman Returns wasn't released to anyone until November 30. I'm beginning to think nobody is gonna upload it. If they don't by the time I get mine, I'll upload it. I'll only share to people who really really desperately want it.

Thanks man! i want it so bad.

Thanks man! i want it so bad. Me too :)

Posted by codyap09
"Nah, Batman Returns wasn't released to anyone until November 30. I'm beginning to think nobody is gonna upload it. If they don't by the time I get mine, I'll upload it. I'll only share to people who really really desperately want it."

This is DEF me. I am totally in need for this....very desperately!!! When will you receive it? Please PM a FLAC version to me if you can. THANKS!!!

Posted by codyap09
"Nah, Batman Returns wasn't released to anyone until November 30. I'm beginning to think nobody is gonna upload it. If they don't by the time I get mine, I'll upload it. I'll only share to people who really really desperately want it."

This is DEF me. I am totally in need for this....very desperately!!! When will you receive it? Please PM a FLAC version to me if you can. THANKS!!!

I placed my order a few days ago. Should be another few days. Hopefully.

I placed my order a few days ago. Should be another few days. Hopefully.

Finger crossed.

What I on't quite get, is all the hissy fits over posting Batman Returns.....ahhhh, LaLa Land is a small company...ahhh.....but no one has said anything about the posting of Star Trek V in at least two different threads on this forum....?

I guess it's out of respect. I mean fans have been begging for the Danny Elfman Batman complete scores for years and since Batman Returns seems to be a bigger release than the original Batman the main posters wanna show LLLR a little respect by not posting it and encouraging people to go out and buy it because honestly who expected we were gonna be lucky enough to get an official complete score for BOTH Danny Elfman scores? Star Trek and Home Alone were kind of big releases but apparently not as big as Batman. I think it's kind of funny how many James Horner fans we've got and I haven't seen even one request for the Jade album. Lalaland has done quite a bit to cater to the fans and with their release of the Batman scores they've put in a lot of work to make the once impossible possible. In respect to what the main posters are doing on here, I backup my claim that I will only share this score via PM to those very desperately in need of it with the advanced knowledge not to share it anywhere else until it sells out. I never actually stopped and considered the importance of what Lalaland has done by releasing these scores until I saw the mass wave of hysteria it has created on this forum. My copy has not arrived in yet but as soon as it does I'll let everyone know.

Well, I do want it also. I have not found it anywhere else. And, I do want Jade, but it is not as deep a desire as Batman. I have heard bits of the score, and though I am a Horner girl, I don't really feel much towards it at all...

In respect to what the main posters are doing on here, I backup my claim that I will only share this score via PM to those very desperately in need of it with the advanced knowledge not to share it anywhere else until it sells out. I never actually stopped and considered the importance of what Lalaland has done by releasing these scores until I saw the mass wave of hysteria it has created on this forum. My copy has not arrived in yet but as soon as it does I'll let everyone know.
Yeah it,s one of my favourite childhood movies ever,it,s my holy grail ,you are my last hope.in the mean time I continue my Search for this master piece if i found it i will share it directly by pm to all users in this thread ,but wat Babydoll says its,not leaked yet on the internet,it,s very surprising but we don,t give up.

I guess it's out of respect. I mean fans have been begging for the Danny Elfman Batman complete scores for years and since Batman Returns seems to be a bigger release than the original Batman the main posters wanna show LLLR a little respect by not posting it and encouraging people to go out and buy it because honestly who expected we were gonna be lucky enough to get an official complete score for BOTH Danny Elfman scores? Star Trek and Home Alone were kind of big releases but apparently not as big as Batman. I think it's kind of funny how many James Horner fans we've got and I haven't seen even one request for the Jade album. Lalaland has done quite a bit to cater to the fans and with their release of the Batman scores they've put in a lot of work to make the once impossible possible. In respect to what the main posters are doing on here, I backup my claim that I will only share this score via PM to those very desperately in need of it with the advanced knowledge not to share it anywhere else until it sells out. I never actually stopped and considered the importance of what Lalaland has done by releasing these scores until I saw the mass wave of hysteria it has created on this forum. My copy has not arrived in yet but as soon as it does I'll let everyone know.

I totally agree with your points. I will buy Batman Returns either way cause is one of the films, if not the one, that I love the most, the music is beautiful, I've been waiting years to hear some music left out of the original release, and because La-la Land is doing great things that deserve to be supported. But until I get my copy, I'd like to get a digital copy so I can hear it and enjoy it everyday

I ordered my copy too but I don't want to wait for the former to arrive if I can avoid it.
Anyway, why all the fuss?

I dunno, I'm a bit perplexed by it. NO ONE protested the early posting of Batman, but now....

I dunno, I'm a bit perplexed by it. NO ONE protested the early posting of Batman, but now....

I guess we are a bit perturbed that a release this big that isn't a Varese release hasn't hit the scene at all and it's been out for like a week now. Usually new stuff, some huge some not, hits within a few days of the official release date. I look at it like this: it's not the Avatar 5cd release. It's not a bootleg, it's an official album. I don't have to wait around for people to post it. I can actually buy it myself. Whether it gets posted or not will have no overall effect on me in the long run since I've already obtained my copy and even if it's not pre-ripped for me I can rip it myself and enjoy it. Unlike Avatar (a score I wanted so badly but also hated, it's weird) where you have to wait for somebody to upload it. It took a mere month after the 3CD Avatar promo came along and people were protesting that. That was a release for the fans that was worth protesting for because obviously we knew it wasn't ever going to see an official release. Why there is such a protest for this release I'll never know. It's personally a release for the fans and probably should be purchased by the true fans to show their support rather than post it up on a forum so that everyone could download it for free instead of pay for it like true fans. I personally just dislike the process of having to rip the files myself and tag them on my mp3 player. My MP3 player is sensitive when it comes to tags. It's nuts.

I just want to have a digital copy along side my physical copy when I order it. I also want to listen to it before I buy it, so i'm hoping I can get it via PM soon before it sells out. that's just my two cents.

I dunno, I'm a bit perplexed by it. NO ONE protested the early posting of Batman, but now....

That was before the whole FSM Ron Jones thing. And it seems the FSM hypocrites only care about their beloved FSM catalog than other labels.

BTW, I was the one who posted BATMAN before its official release. I have Returns, Jade, Star Trek V, and Home Alone too.

:b

Kidding. It has only been one week. And we are acting overly selfish. YES, I want it. Yes, I am surprised and frustrated it has not shown somewhere. But, that just points out how spoiled we have become. And turning on each other, or having angry thoughts towards members who have this, but not posted is wrong. No one is ever expected to post anything. There are obviously two groups forming here, and I do not like whee these discussions are heading. I have made my personal opinion clear. But, those who feel that somehow they can straddle a line between pirating and not, well then have at it. That is their right.

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Actually, I have only one more thought on this. When it is suggested we not post something like this, in order to keep attention off of the site, or to lessen the threat, those who suggest that get scoffed at. After all, it is said, many other sites post the same albums, right? PLENTY of other ways to get said release, right? I point out that NO other site I have seen has had a whisper of Batman Returns, since it is not posted here. No one had Home Alone either. They do now, and ALL posts of Home Alone are of the same bitrate posted here, which I figure is not a coincidence. Same goes for the new Narnia. So, it looks as if we are in fact the genesis of sharing. It hits here, then gets spread. So, maybe we should consider that those who fear the attention, may be right to do so?

Actually I'm going to be generous and add this Home Alone LA LA LAnd Recording hope it doesn't get pulled or anything

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Actually I'm going to be generous and add this Home Alone LA LA LAnd Recording hope it doesn't get pulled or anything

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Great Jediknight12! It seems the file is bigger than the one posted here (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/film-score-hunt-thread-v2-78573/147.html). What is the bitrate? and most important: pwd?

If anyone can't wait for the new BR, just whip out the original 1992 album and give it a listen. It's still terrific.

That was before the whole FSM Ron Jones thing. And it seems the FSM hypocrites only care about their beloved FSM catalog than other labels.

BTW, I was the one who posted BATMAN before its official release. I have Returns, Jade, Star Trek V, and Home Alone too.

And you wouldn't happen to be so kind as to post BR would you?

I think, probably, had he wanted to, he would have.

I normally would have no problem, but now there is no point because it just causes people to bitch and complain and then get taken off. Every single thing I have ever uploaded in the past is now gone because of hypocrites.

Let someone else deal with the bullshit, I say.

What's the password?

Home Alone is a great post & i thank u 4 it but we need info: audio bitrate, password.

Great Jediknight12! It seems the file is bigger than the one posted here (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/film-score-hunt-thread-v2-78573/147.html). What is the bitrate? and most important: pwd?

Password: smile

Bitrate is VBR V0, btw.

thanks!

I guess it's out of respect. I mean fans have been begging for the Danny Elfman Batman complete scores for years and since Batman Returns seems to be a bigger release than the original Batman the main posters wanna show LLLR a little respect by not posting it and encouraging people to go out and buy it because honestly who expected we were gonna be lucky enough to get an official complete score for BOTH Danny Elfman scores? Star Trek and Home Alone were kind of big releases but apparently not as big as Batman. I think it's kind of funny how many James Horner fans we've got and I haven't seen even one request for the Jade album. Lalaland has done quite a bit to cater to the fans and with their release of the Batman scores they've put in a lot of work to make the once impossible possible. In respect to what the main posters are doing on here, I backup my claim that I will only share this score via PM to those very desperately in need of it with the advanced knowledge not to share it anywhere else until it sells out. I never actually stopped and considered the importance of what Lalaland has done by releasing these scores until I saw the mass wave of hysteria it has created on this forum. My copy has not arrived in yet but as soon as it does I'll let everyone know.

Please PM me if you do end up sharing a link once your copy arrives, I would really appreciate it!

Password: smile

Thanks!

If anyone can't wait for the new BR, just whip out the original 1992 album and give it a listen. It's still terrific.

And that's exactly what I'm doing everyday, until I can delight my ears with the new release ;)

If anyone can't wait for the new BR, just whip out the original 1992 album and give it a listen. It's still terrific.

Indeed!

It's been posted. I don't know who ripped and uploaded it but thanks to them.

>>>RapidShare AG, Cham, Switzerland (http://rapidshare.com/#!download|812tl2|435972319|Batman_Returns__LaLa_L and_.rar|158048)<<<

The link is still up. Grab it quick before it goes down.

So now perhaps folks will settle down and be a little happy. : b

Can anyone upload it in Megaupload?

Thanks a bunch for the link!!

I have been waiting for some of these unreleased Batman Returns tracks for nearly 20 years!!

I'm uploading on Multiload. I'll post the new link. Just a warning, track 4 on disc 1 is not complete. It just cuts off at 2:20.

Good deal.

Now that it's out there, would someone be willing to upload it with the full Track 4 or at a higher bitrate (320 maybe)?

Now that it's out there, would someone be willing to upload it with the full Track 4 or at a higher bitrate (320 maybe)?
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Thank you good sir! I think I'm not the only one who feels this score is FAR superior to that of the original Batman. So much more emotion!

Linkslasher: ''I think I'm not the only one who feels this score is FAR superior to that of the original Batman. So much more emotion!''

idk. i feel this depends on a couple of things.
1. what emotions move you.
2. the tracks you like on both albums.

both are very well done & it's a gift to our society to finally have the complete sets. for both movies, i happen to like the Batman scenes the best so i like all the music that is heard when he or his Batmobile/Plane are shown. those are emotional for me for different reasons - makes me feel energized, actually helps me think of how to do things without rushing (something Batman himself does very well), brings back childhood memories is THE MOST IMPORTANT & SIGNIFICANT ONE. there's other reasons but those are the ones i can think of right now. so i think both albums are good & to me & for me, neither is better than the other.

I'm offering a 320kbps and FLAC rip to those who are interested. PM me for the links. Just a note: the FLAC version is still uploading and it's going to be a bit before that link is available.

(I'm still wondering what J. Debney music looks like, if you see).



...what his music looks like? Probably a bit like this

It appears I missed the download before it was taken down...does anyone have another link? :(

It appears I missed the download before it was taken down...does anyone have another link? :(
LAME3.98.2 V0 VBR mp3+Scans@Multiupload (http://anonym.to/?http://www.multiupload.com/A0C3LSH740).

thanks a ton!

uuu, eehh what is in that link, the album????

I hope so, downloading.........

Any chance of a re up? thanks in advance

It would be nice!

re up please ^^

re up please ^^
it seems there're still active links at http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/batman-returns-2010-1992-danny-elfman-expanded-83514/2.html#post1912923

it seems there're still active links at http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/batman-returns-2010-1992-danny-elfman-expanded-83514/2.html#post1912923

Thanks ^^ but is that the lalaland limited edition one?

Thanks ^^ but is that the lalaland limited edition one?

I didn't check the working links, but according to the cover of the first post and the tracklist... yes, it is