I have seen many people who don't like various final fantasies. All except one. FFVI. So I ask you, do any of you hate it?

As for me, I rank it no.3 in my FF list and no.9 in my favorite games of all time list. Basically I love it.

There's someone who hates FFIV? ;_;

puddles123 hates FFVI.

FFVI is amazing; I picked up my GBA copy to play and instantly hooked myself (whoops.. I was working on XII.. Not anymore!) I really don't see how anyone could dislike it. V I could understand, simply because it feels like it's a step backward from IV, but IV and VI, what the hell is there not to like?? They're, in my opinion, the best of the series until IX.

There's someone who hates FFIV? ;_;

puddles123 hates FFVI.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like that guy ;)

Whoever disses/dislikes FFVI should be Meteo'd.








Then Ultima'd repeatedly.

Whoever disses/dislikes FFVI should be Meteo'd.








Then Ultima'd repeatedly.



x2!

ff6 was an amazing game.. it is a shame that in the original game there was no real monsters that were a challenge. I picked up some patches that people did where they added omega weapon and things. that was pretty sick. gave the game another play through for me

it's an alright game.

Did someone say Meteo?

lol

I'm Rydia of the Mist, bitch~

is that anything like Guerillas in Tha Mist, by Ice Cube or who ever? It'd be Rydias in The Mist, Bitches.

I'm Rydia of the Mist, bitch~

You spoony bard!

...
Then Ultima'd repeatedly.

Damn. That pic makes me kinda want to replay FFVI again.

As it is, I'm waiting for my deadbeat brother to give me my damn ps2 memory card because I'm thinking about giving FFXII another try.

Me... well I don't actually hate it. I like it a lot as a game, I enjoyed it a lot.
But there are many more things that I don't like about that game. So hate would be a little harsh, dislike is more appropriate to how I feel about VI, but I don't dislike it, because I have some respect for the game, so there are many mixed feelings.
To me VI is an "OK" game, not great or a masterpiece.
Feel free to cast Ultima or Meteo. IMO IV is MUCH MORE BETTER than VI.

That's cool. Not everything is for everyone.
It happens.

Hehe, I don't hate FFVI at all.

But I have made a few posts questioning why people love it so much, which is why I am apparently infamous for 'hating' it, lol.

The reasons I don't like it as much as most people here regard more my negative impression of the characters and villains within it compared to other Final Fantasy games. But I won't rehash what I've said already in this subforum.

In any case, Final Fantasy VI is my third favorite game after FFIV and FFVII. So, no, I don't hate it.

On a separate note, I imagine I come off more as an FFVII fanboy than anything given my penchant for defending that game's good name more than anything else that I do on these forums.

Ah well, such is life. ;)

Hehe, I don't hate FFVI at all.

But I have made a few posts questioning why people love it so much, which is why I am apparently infamous for 'hating' it, lol.

The reasons I don't like it as much as most people here regard more my negative impression of the characters and villains within it compared to other Final Fantasy games. But I won't rehash what I've said already in this subforum.

In any case, Final Fantasy VI is my third favorite game after FFIV and FFVII. So, no, I don't hate it.

On a separate note, I imagine I come off more as an FFVII fanboy than anything given my penchant for defending that game's good name more than anything else that I do on these forums.

Ah well, such is life. ;)

See, there really is no one who hates FFVI. :D

And if you're a fanboy of FFVII, you're the best kind.

See, there really is no one who hates FFVI. :D

And if you're a fanboy of FFVII, you're the best kind.

To each their own opinion.

For many people between 20-30, FFVI was their first FF experience, and that is a huge generation, but FFVI really was the cream of the crop on that system, and for that alone, it deserves its praises. It capture a whole generation of gamers, and not just RPG lovers.

I love it. Though i must admit of all the series it has the most grim and depressing atmosphere. X comes in a close second place in that regard.

The music. One of the best albums I will ever possess. Especially Mystic Forest theme.

You spoony bard!

in Neg's case it would be, "you SPOONING bard!".

in Neg's case it would be, "you SPOONING bard!".

Oh, burn.

With you and you alone, Jere baby ^^

I didn't care for it either, especially the Magitek's walking thru the snow in the intro...

FFVI is amazing; I picked up my GBA copy to play and instantly hooked myself (whoops.. I was working on XII.. Not anymore!) I really don't see how anyone could dislike it. V I could understand, simply because it feels like it's a step backward from IV, but IV and VI, what the hell is there not to like?? They're, in my opinion, the best of the series until IX.

second that :)

With you and you alone, Jere baby ^^

tease! lol you're a funny motherfucker, bro.

I wouldn't say I hate it but I don't like it either. It is so overhyped among the FF fanbase that it is ridiculous. FFVI is to Final Fantasy fans as FFVII is to the mainstream. And what's the deal with Kefka? He is a shell of a character who can easily be described in two words: Crazy clown. That's it, there is nothing more to him. He is just the generic mindless villain reminiscient of Jason Vorhees or Michael Myers, except he talks.

/rant

I wouldn't say I hate it but I don't like it either. It is so overhyped among the FF fanbase that it is ridiculous. FFVI is to Final Fantasy fans as FFVII is to the mainstream. And what's the deal with Kefka? He is a shell of a character who can easily be described in two words: Crazy clown. That's it, there is nothing more to him. He is just the generic mindless villain reminiscient of Jason Vorhees or Michael Myers, except he talks.

/rant

LOL, I read somewhere in a gamespot forum once...
"I prefered Kefka when his name was Joker, he did a much better job back then."

I agree with you man but I like the game even though as much as I hate Terra & Kefka...

I agree with you man but I like the game even though as much as I hate Terra & Kefka...

Why don't you like Terra?

I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just curious.

Why don't you like Terra?

I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just curious.

It's all right...

I don't like Terra just because she's a whiny character that I have to stand her whining 90% of the game, the story of the character is good, it's the personality that shocks me.

I friking love FF VI!!!!!

LOCKE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!

Don't get me wrong I like some characters and occasional story moments but it just doesn't stand out as being as legendary as is claimed.

I unfortunately missed out on the original SNES version of FFVI (well, a friend showed me how to download an emulator and a ROM for it, which I deleted after finishing it because it felt wrong to me to play it without paying for a legal copy of the game), so I wasn't able to play it until about four years ago. At the time I first played it, I remember the whole game feeling a lot more genuine in its overall presentation than most anything I'd played on PSX, N64, or other systems. I mean, you had the Dreamcast, Xbox, Gamecube, PS2, all'a that. But yet I sat down before my screen and became more immersed in FFVI than anything I'd played on those systems. FFVI and FFIV both just seem to be the most natural-playing FF titles imo. Things never get too complicated, but yet there's plenty to keep you entertained for as long as you could possibly desire. Whenever you're lost, there's always something to do, somewhere to go, someone who has some task for you. And both games offer a story that is just so pure in the fantasy department that you can't help but love it. Say what you will about Kefka, he's more of a villain than most serial killers. He loves mass-genocide, torture, and just good old terrorism. He's the ideal villain; he's the character you love to hate. He always strikes when you don't want him to, and ruins things that you grow to love, such as General Leo, whom you learn to respect; just when he's winning you over as a character, Kefka comes along with a knife for his back. All the elements of Kefka's character help you to build up your disliking for him, until the final, conclusive battle lets you end his destructive rampage and see peace returned to the world. I dunno, it just feels like one of the best games I've ever played (or not played). The cast is full of diverse and interesting characters, all with their own addition to your battle tactics. I could go on and on about how much I love FFVI, but all I can say is, it is truly one of the defining video games of . . . video games, and for good reason.

He always strikes when you don't want him to, and ruins things that you grow to love, such as General Leo, whom you learn to respect; just when he's winning you over as a character, Kefka comes along with a knife for his back.

You know, when I was playing the game & I said "Wow, Leo VS Kefka... Interesting"
Then when kefka wins I said... "Bah.... Lame..."

For many people between 20-30, FFVI was their first FF experience, and that is a huge generation, but FFVI really was the cream of the crop on that system, and for that alone, it deserves its praises. It capture a whole generation of gamers, and not just RPG lovers.

Said perfectly.

The only Final Fantasy's I hate are IV and XII. IV being because I despise the music and the storyline, and XII because, well it's complete crap.

But VI is actually the game what got me into the series. I played a demo of FFVIII beforehand, and, well that didn't go well at all. It was my very first time with an RPG, so I had no idea what I was doing.

The only Final Fantasy's I hate are IV and XII. IV being because I despise the music and the storyline.

Despise the music of IV'? wow, that's something new, at least to me...

The only Final Fantasy's I hate are IV and XII. IV being because I despise the music and the storyline.

The only thing I can really say I disliked about IV was level grinding, I abhore level grinding. Even with that, IV is still one of my favorite FF's.
What was it about the storyline that you didn't like?

The only thing I can really say I disliked about IV was level grinding, I abhore level grinding. Even with that, IV is still one of my favorite FF's.
What was it about the storyline that you didn't like?

Yeah, sadly most rpg's from that time, screamed grinding.

Probably he hates the fact that the story was just too simple... But I think that the story was great either way, because achieves it's purpose without any flaw.

FFIV set the standard for almost everything–video game, anime, what have you–that followed. Its character archetypes, themes, plot supplements and plot twists are some that have been emulated in many forms of media since. Gaignun Jr must be too familiar with modern forms of media that has adapted FFIV's inventive elements and done them to death. No biggy, lots of people don't know this little secret.

I love all types of FFIV.

FFIV set the standard for almost everything�video game, anime, what have you�that followed. Its character archetypes, themes, plot supplements and plot twists are some that have been emulated in many forms of media since. Gaignun Jr must be too familiar with modern forms of media that has adapted FFIV's inventive elements and done them to death. No biggy, lots of people don't know this little secret.

Yep, that's the main reason that I think IV is the best classic FF & also I have a lot of respect for the game, because you can clearly see what was the objective of the game & it achieves it perfectly & probably that's another reason that it's the most acclaimed Classic FF that spawned a lot for ports & remakes.

Okay topo, now ya done it, I need'a sit down and play me some FFIV now before bed ;)

The only Final Fantasy's I hate are IV and XII. IV being because I despise the music and the storyline, and XII because, well it's complete crap.

But VI is actually the game what got me into the series. I played a demo of FFVIII beforehand, and, well that didn't go well at all. It was my very first time with an RPG, so I had no idea what I was doing.

Your opinions suck.

Gaignun Jr just has different tastes, I suppose.


(But yea, they do suck. Royally.)

The only Final Fantasy's I hate are IV and XII. IV being because I despise the music and the storyline, and XII because, well it's complete crap.

That's your opinion. I disagree with it, but that's your choice to say that. Personally I enjoyed FFIV a bit more than FFVI, but only just.


But VI is actually the game what got me into the series. I played a demo of FFVIII beforehand, and, well that didn't go well at all. It was my very first time with an RPG, so I had no idea what I was doing.

FFVI is a great game, as I found it easy to form attachments with the characters, even that crazy nutbar Kefka.

Yea, I just started playing VI (seriously going to beat it this time!) again, and I just got to the point where you pick one of 3 character groups to follow for a short time period (not that far into the game), and it's part of the game I've never played. Instantly there's a pull to the game, I can see why it's so many peoples' favorites.

It's one of the last FF's I've played, but if it keeps it up the rest of the game, it'll be one of my favorites in my whole game library. :D

it'll be one of my favorites in my whole game library. :D

I promise you, it will! :D

I promise you, it will! :D

I want to go home and play it, but I was crusing gamefaqs earlier and found a rekindled urge to play Legaia 2: Dual Saga again.......I don't know what I'm going to do!

Never played that one before :( I'm tellin' ya, in the grand scheme of things, I'm a total RPG noob. Sucks :( But now that you and topopoz have me in FFIV and FFVI mode, I'm going to lie down and enjoy a bit of both before drifting off to dreamworld :D

I want to go home and play it, but I was crusing gamefaqs earlier and found a rekindled urge to play Legaia 2: Dual Saga again.......I don't know what I'm going to do!



I got a replacement copy of Legaia 2: Dual Saga a couple of months, due to my first copy being broken by one of my idiot cousins...

Decent RPG and, imo, better than:



But both are good games.

Gotta love oldschool PSX graphics :D

Yea, Legend of Legaia is my favorite! :) It was the very first RPG I played. I came home last night and started up Legaia 2, and the graphics are solid ps2 graphics, but something put me off about it, and I soon quit. It did kind of make me want to play the original again.

Chrono Cross has AMAZING graphics for its time. man, that game is so freaking good. i dunno why I put it back on my shelf when I was younger. I'm now on disc 2, having just beaten the big giant dragon lookin' thing in Terra Tower.

Chrono Cross has AMAZING graphics for its time. man, that game is so freaking good. i dunno why I put it back on my shelf when I was younger. I'm now on disc 2, having just beaten the big giant dragon lookin' thing in Terra Tower.

You're almost at the end.... I think.

I just beat it about an hour ago. I see 2 things to choose from. New Game +, and Continue +.

If this is the first tiem you beaten Chrono Cross, New Game+ will let you replay the whole game, with most equipment (not the Ultimate Weapon for Serge, hope you forged a backup), let you put a third person in a battle to replace Serge, and recruit the characters you didn't in the previous game.

It takes 3 playthroughs to unlock every character, and you can compile your saves so you have them all on one save file when you're done. Pretty Sweet.


But as for the thread here, I haven't picked VI up since I got to Figaro Castle, I want to, it's just everytime I go to play it, I lose the motivation. :(

But as for the thread here, I haven't picked VI up since I got to Figaro Castle, I want to, it's just everytime I go to play it, I lose the motivation. :(

VI is a boring shit until you get Cyan, so don't be surprised about that.

If this is the first tiem you beaten Chrono Cross, New Game+ will let you replay the whole game, with most equipment (not the Ultimate Weapon for Serge, hope you forged a backup), let you put a third person in a battle to replace Serge, and recruit the characters you didn't in the previous game.

It takes 3 playthroughs to unlock every character, and you can compile your saves so you have them all on one save file when you're done. Pretty Sweet.(

OH snap, that is AWESOME. I'm gonna replace Serge with like, Fargo, Kid, and Irenes.

VI is a boring shit until you get Cyan, so don't be surprised about that.

Lies!! Take it back, man! Take it back! You can't mean this!

Lies!! Take it back, man! Take it back! You can't mean this!

Ehm.... I won't... =D

I actually liked Edgar the most. His Tools ability helped a lot, specially Air Anchor... when it hit lol.

Edgar's chainsaw was cool, as was the crossbow.... I might be thinking of the hack I played, but in the game when you used the crossbow, it spread outward.

Edgar's chainsaw was cool, as was the crossbow.... I might be thinking of the hack I played, but in the game when you used the crossbow, it spread outward.

The Auto Crossbow is my favorite!

The game that spawned an impossible dungeon to get a character back
Mystic Tower

The impossible to aquire equipment
Paladin Buckler

The 1 hit win boss
Chupon

so yeah, it even had P0rn
Maria's Painting

The game that spawned an impossible dungeon to get a character back

:ohgod:

:ohgod:

Oi you!

:autobots:

lol

C'mon, reign it in guys. We're just getting crazy, now.

It's spelled pr0n, okay? XD

Hey guys.

I never post here and I thought I'd just say hi.

I sure wish VI had a ending where Kefka turned out to be a robot piloted by a dog.

I'd play it if it did.

HAI!!

ow si goin?

Kefka was a dog, didn'y you hear his laugh????

WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF
WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF
WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF
WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF
HATE HATE HATE HATE!

It all makes sense....

Now you get it!

The greatest mystery of FFVI has been uncovered.

Yep, by me!
Did you also know gogo was a pole dancer? read between the lines!

I dunno Daryl seems pretty no-nonsense. Not saying she wouldn't privately for Setzer, mind you.

I dunno Daryl seems pretty no-nonsense. Not saying she wouldn't privately for Setzer, mind you.

She's also quite fond of yellow and red.

WAIT~

Gogo is secretly Emperor Gestahl.

No, Daryl is Gogo. Note they never found her body

I think that's because she got Diabeetus.

I think that's because she got Diabeetus.

They never found her because she escaped the crash. remember her biggest skil was


mimicry

Aha! She's the only one Gogo could be. I wondered about that for years, but it only makes sense to think it must be Daryl. Guess that shoots down my Banon and Gestahl theories :( But I think it's safe to say getting tossed from a floating continent after being fried by lightning is gonna put a slight damper on any living plans, and most likely Banon was too busy using his wussy healing spell and died a miserable death like he did roughly fifty times against that goddamn bloody purple octopus Ultros. After all, if you can barely stand up to something that can smash you with its tentacle, it's gonna be difficult to survive the end of all things.

Now I'll have to remember to try out various things with Setzer and Gogo together in my party :D

Just remember she can mimic EXACTLY which slot technique he uses, when the slot ability is based on chance. You'd need to have known him to do that.

Very good points; I can see you're an observant one. I adore FFVI and tried all sorts of things to ration out who Gogo could be, and never arrived at a concrete solution. But your analysis makes perfect sense! I always kinda hoped there'd be some way to get a secret ending where Gogo reveals his/her true self, but the mystery of it is really what makes it all the more worthwhile to try and figure out yourself. Kind of like the Shadow/Relm relation; I had that figured out long before reading about it online and seeing my suspicions confirmed.

Very good points; I can see you're an observant one. I adore FFVI and tried all sorts of things to ration out who Gogo could be, and never arrived at a concrete solution. But your analysis makes perfect sense! I always kinda hoped there'd be some way to get a secret ending where Gogo reveals his/her true self, but the mystery of it is really what makes it all the more worthwhile to try and figure out yourself. Kind of like the Shadow/Relm relation; I had that figured out long before reading about it online and seeing my suspicions confirmed.

I've been playing it for about 4 days straight now. Already has Paladin Sheild.

i just thought it was too easy. i beat kefka without knowing it was the end of the game...Really now.

I beat Kefka without wanting it to be the end of the game. So HA!

yeh, gave me no warning it was the final battle, unless i over read it. Didnt get all the characters:(

Is that Daryl/Gogo rumor still flying around the internet? When Daryl crash landed from her ship into a worm and onto a giant pile of laundry, declaring herself queen of the worm?

It's a fun theory to think about. I'm pretty sure it's just another one of those loose ends that never get tied up, like the entire plot of Xenogears.

Im playing through ff6 currently, iv got as far as the Magitek research facility, i dont know if thats very far in or what.
I like the game, but so far im not feeling the magic so to speak like i did with ff7,8 and 9. I realise this game is very popular and arguably the most important ff, but i just dont think the game is enthralling me like other ff's have. sorry guys.

I'm guessing someone didn't grow up with a SNES.

For me, it was harder to get into compared to 4-9, but once I got so far in, I couldn't put it down.

Also the lack of any definite lead character also makes the game a little more unique but I knew that going in. VI is a very special kind of game that you don't find often :)

I will necro the thread.

It is a highly overrated FF imo. Kefka, was an OVERRATED boss. there were so many plot holes in the game that it was laughable. All he had, was a weak pathetic laugh. He did one thing...poisioned the water. after that, he miracuously becomes unstoppable...As far as evil bosses go and the evil things they did...X-Death, Kuja, and Sephiroth, were by far worse. If Kefka did not just magically become god awfull powerful for no reason...it would have been bumped up a few points.

I will it give it props for opening menu music, still one of my favorites.

I dont get why the espers were so saught after, when Kefka, can just magically become stronger than any of them for no apparent reason. Not to mention, the 2nd half of the game is one big "lets go find everyone allllll over again" side quest.

It is a highly overrated FF imo. Kefka, was an OVERRATED boss. there were so many plot holes in the game that it was laughable. All he had, was a weak pathetic laugh. He did one thing...poisioned the water. after that, he miracuously becomes unstoppable...As far as evil bosses go and the evil things they did...X-Death, Kuja, and Sephiroth, were by far worse. If Kefka did not just magically become god awfull powerful for no reason...it would have been bumped up a few points.

I will it give it props for opening menu music, still one of my favorites.

I dont get why the espers were so saught after, when Kefka, can just magically become stronger than any of them for no apparent reason. Not to mention, the 2nd half of the game is one big "lets go find everyone allllll over again" side quest.

Absolutely agreed... LOL

FFVI was the easiest of all the series to me.

But I still like the game though. xD

i would have maybe enjoyed it, if kefka didnt just randomly become a bad ass...and maybe if all the fanboys of it didnt talk about how it was classic and 7 ruined everything. they were both steam punk, just 6 had castles. oh well, i beat it, and will not play it again probablly.

7 ruined everything.

VII gave rise to the prepubescent fanatical fanboys/girls who treat VII as the second coming of Christ, and when you add in the prequels/sequels/etc has just fed their ego's to the point that they'll flame anyone who says otherwise. In person the FFVII fanboy/girl is even worse, as if you're even buying another RPG and they see it (Or Hell... any other game for that damn matter), they'll swoop on the individual in question and berate/belittle them for not purchasing FFVII (or any other FFVII game).

As a fellow shriner here said in a thread:

Neo Xzhan: I liken it to "It's not God I hate, it's his fanclub"

I don't hate FFVII, as I do consider it a good game, but it is NOT the greatest game ever that some seem to think it is and I hate/loathe the idiot FFVII fanboys/girls who say: FFVII IS DA GREATEST EVA!! IF YOUSE DUN LIKE IT, YOUSE A IDIOT!! (Sadly... a direct quote from one of these 'people' (and I use that term loosely) I encountered at my local game store).

Anywayz... this isn't the thread to discuss FFVII. To discuss FFVII, post in the FFVII subforum.

RETURNING YOU TO YOUR ORIGINAL THREAD DISCUSSION

since it isnt a FFVII forum, ill just say i agree w/ revan lol. fanboys ruin shit for other fans, in every area of life, not just FFVII


EDIT: but i guess to clarify. Yes there are people who hate FFVI, (also, its b/c of VI fanboys that i basically just cant stand it.)

When I have the time, I'll play both VI and VII and see what the hype is about.

When I have the time, I'll play both VI and VII and see what the hype is about.

Take your time getting to VII, lol :) VI should be your priority.

from what iv seen final fantasy 6 fanboys are more spiteful and bitter than final fantasy 7 fanboys. also they are the older generation of ff player so they should know better. i mean its sort of like adults bullying kids just because theyre enthusiastic about a new toy or whatever. kid "wow this rubix cube (ff7) is the best, its awesome" adult "you fucking faggot fanboy, i bet youve never even heard of cup and ball (ff6), you dont deserve to live you scum".....you get the idea

good comparison 1xPerson.

Personally:I think ff6 is a fantastic game.
I think some people give it far too much hate.

Actually, I thought it was really bland to begin with. But when I got to the part where you defend Narshe I got completely hooked. Fantastic game, absolutely. I wish more people picked this game up now like I did.

I personally love ff6 and hate ff7.

I consider the ff7 fanbrats to be the most annoying fanbase/cult ever,aside from maybe fps fanboys.

I wish people would shut the fuck up already and enjoy the game and give it due credit.
the game is 16 years old now,thats really really old.

The first 3d rpg game on playstation came out in 1994.

For their time,they mostly did what they could.
I personally felt that ff6 did a great job at introducing the characters,because a lot of people fell in love with those characters.(I am one of them)

And don-t compare secret of mana,because that game had almost or no story at all.
If anything:compare secret of mana to secret of evermore.

Why hate on the classics? I loved the first FF's more than the new ones.
They might not have fancy graphics etc. but their story-lines are awesome!

Also; hating a game for its fans is no reason whatsoever.

Also; hating a game for its fans is no reason whatsoever.[/QUOTE]

Only whiny brats who won't shut up about the game,and worship it.
Then again:FF8 pisses me off,but i don't hate the actual game,but damm does that bitch that i was supposed to look for annoy me.
You remember whats her name who we end up looking for who was the adopted by laguna? That little cheating bitch pisses me off.
On the moon,she starts using every card rule in the book,and then i am forced to use it.Worse yet,that bitch known as the card queen.If it wasn't for those two,i would have no problem.

Hahah true that! (': Ellone's the name. And yes, I hated that Card Bitch way more.. Supposedly Queen. UGH!

Hahah true that! (': Ellone's the name. And yes, I hated that Card Bitch way more.. Supposedly Queen. UGH!

The card queen is also a bitch.

She caused me to reset the psx more times than i can remember,and it drives me into a fit of rage.Do you remember that she bitch,when she was supposed to go to dollet,and instead went to galbadia? wasn't that pleasant having to repeat the game and reload 10 billion times?

What about trying to get a rare card,but only to lose one or more rares with elleone?

The story:I didn't mind the story.The forced romance was actually so corny that it was fun to watch,in the way its fun to watch a movie that is so bad that you actually get entertainment out of laughing at the awkward scenes.That scene where rinoa asks for a hug,and squall just crosses his arms and looks away,i'm like:LMFAO!! Yeah right,you might as well ask a lion to become a vegeterian.And the corny scene in the ragnarok,where the corny love song plays.Dammit,now i am laughing just thinking of that scene.
I actually got angry at the game for a moment,because i was hoping it would try to be a little serious,but when squall smiled,i couldn't hold out my laugher at the sheer idea of squall smiling.In overall:Its a pretty bad love story.The movement from squall being a non social awkward person,to romantically interested in rinoa happens too fast,and because of it,there is not enough momentum to actually breathe it in and make it believable.The scenes with zell were stupid mostly,and i didn't get a reaction out of it.

I think that Edea was easily one of the most over the top villains i have seen in a final fantasy game,and thats saying a lot.Some villains go under the radar,while others really stand out.Standing out doesn't always equate to good either.I mean:MY GOD!! she is like something from a comic book.She goes out,and goes:MWAHAHAHA now i'm going to conquer the world and starts killing the president of galbadia.She then starts giving a speech like:Foolish people,you voted for me,and yet i am obviously evil.Even her final speech was laughable.

The ending was better than ff7's ending though.I actually enjoyed the whole scene were squall is stuck in between realms,and is trying to make sure he doesn't forget rinoa.It makes you wonder what would happen if you were stuck outside the space time continuum,and had to find a way back inside the space time.I still don't understand why doc odine created a machine for sorceress edea to be able to send her mind into the past,so she could possess someone.It was a pretty dumb move,because he doomed all mankind.In a way:He created a machine with some of Elleone's powers to send people into the past.

I enjoyed Triple Triad far more than Tetra Master in FFIX. True the rules were annoying, but you had to think and actually plan when you saw your cards. While I can understand why a lot of people dislike FFVIII, I can't understand some with genuine hatred towards it.

Edea wasn't really the villain though. Ultimecia who took over Edea was.
I actually loved FFVIII and still do. Perhaps because I was only 10 when I first played it..
But for many reasons it's still my favorite, I've played the game many many times. I just love roaming around doing side-quests in my awesome Ragnarok *wooooshhh*.
Yes, I do lol at some of the scenes when playing it now. But not for the same reasons you do though ;)

Also, their love going too fast? Love is something that happens really fast, especially under the circumstances they were in at the time.
But hey, I'm a girl so perhaps that is why I'm not really bothered by the love-story q;

On Odine's creation: People create destroying things, that's what we're good at.. Perhaps that was their deeper meaning lol ^~

BTW; I totally agree with Darth Revan. Triple Triad held my attention at least, Tetra Master I got bored of quickly.

But what i meant was:When the sorceress ultimecia was posessing edea,and even at the end when we face ultimecia,she has the most clich� dialogue i have ever seen.Man is that corny.
The airship music is actually really good in ff8.For some reason,the music reminds me of the movie shreck.Also:Has anyone noticed that ultimecia castle has a very catchy tune?

Other annoyances:FF legends 3:Why was this game so easy? This game was way too easy.In ff legends 1 and 2,i couldn't breeze through it without actually training a little.It was a sign of having to prepare for getting ahead in the game,and if you messed up,it meant you wouldn't be able to get ahead to the next area without training.

I'm yet to tackle FFVI. I must say though, after recently joining the forums and reading so much hype about it, I'm excited to give it a whirl.

Its an old game,but still a good game.

Old games like that have limited content,and some of the content is not as much so as newer games.
Also:The game has a lot of exploitable glitches.Its a good game,but obviously not flawless.Some of the issues are ironed out in later games though.The gameplay may be a little too slow,and getting espers takes a while into the actual game.

Just finished my 5000th playthrough of IV and I have to say it was just as fun as the previous 4999 times I played it. If you do not like FF IV, then your rights to play video games and to live on planet Earth should be revoked. All you are doing is taking up precious space and wasting valuable resources. I do not care how elitist or pretentious this sounds. It should be mandated by law.

I've never gotten around to play it. I've played pretty much all of Final Fantasy, but never really found a copy anywhere locally.

Really? There's been multiple versions of IV and VI released, both in original form and remakes/rereleases - the most recent release for FFIV was part of the 'Complete Collection' release with it's sequel The After Years for PSP, plus they're both available for download on the Playstation Network and the Apple Store (I think there's even Android versions available too).

If you're looking for the original SNES releases though, that indeed might be difficult, although eBay is your friend in this regard.

You know what game annoys me a little enkidoh? ff3 on the nes.The final dungeon is so long, and the game forces me to grind.There is no way around, and you end up over levelled.Terrible game logic, but at least the final boss was challenging somewhat, unlike emperor palomecia, who was a pushover.

VI is great! I would say it needs a remake, but really it doesn't. It's awesome just the way it is.

I would say so. FFVI is my LEAST favorite. The FFs before that were simple but I liked them for what they were. Everything I experience continued to be simple so I only expected simplicity from the game. It's hard to say someone I hate Tetris because it has a bad story. I just want to throw blocks in slots to make a complete horizontal row so I am awarded points and and then the blocks disappear where I am granted space to complete more rows of blocks. Never once do I wonder why the blocks are falling or want to know more about each of the different blocks.

Early FFs had next to no story but because they didn't I never expected them to as I was playing. As I play FFVI I notice all of a sudden the developers of the game tried to add depth to the story while introducing A LOT of the characters in a short amount of time. I feel they don't develop any of these characters very much and I couldn't stand it.

Kefka is less developed than Gau. No reason why he's so crazy. Why is he crazy and Celes not? It isn't present clearly if it is anywhere at all. Many scenes are displayed to show how evil, destructive, and insane Kefka is, but that's it. An that is as serious as destroying the world by a human should have some explanation for my personal preference. Some people like simplistic evil I suppose because all they need is an enemy to hate and a protagonist(s) to have developed instead. But some like me want to understand why the villain has become so evil.

However if the villain isn't developed most agree that other characters should. The playable characters do not have much connection between each other except some need to save the world. The game constantly shifts between what characters could I play and whom are developed in the storyline. As I played I was now thrown down a story toilet portal where I was spiraling in circles playing different characters but had to stop playing them... to then play a different character set disrupting and stopping anything that could be considered fulfilling in the prior character development. There are no strong protagonists. Mostly all the heroes just hate Kefka for destroying and killing people in the world. Some are just plan bizzare that just decide to accompany the character just because .

Besides the story the game has gameplay of course. Often the play through helps develop story for example when you have to sneak through the town with Locke and escape with Celes. It uses this town level to its fullest with NPCs that play significant rolls in becoming obstacles, objects required to overcome obstacles, or simple hints.

There are brief points where they start to make strong level designs such as this and actions well in juncture with the story. however there are many towns that have no purpose except to stop in there and but items and sleep as tho its an old final fantasy. An entire castle Doma is made with nothing really to do except a few chests and to play empire trying to enter the castle and the water poisoning scene. The castle is big and has a ton of rooms with nothing.


All in all I dislike FF6 the most because it starts to offer more development in the level design combined with the story as tho it would continue but instead the game jumps around starts too many story lines without significant development and the game-play jumps from well designed levels (dungeons and towns alike) with much significance to level designs that are much inferior in complexity and importance from map to map.

I think FF6 is so loved by original FF fans for the same reason I dislike it. It plays like a basic FF game but ATTEMPTS to offer more sporadically from time to time. This way old fanboys aren't offended that the simplistic game system they loved originally isn't changed too much and on top of that the game developers were able to add more to the game without destroying that old simplistic system.

FFVII is the best in my opinion of the more complex games. Old fanboys cry that it's overrated due to the praise it gets and how much of the old system was changed. The old system was changed so much in FFVII to make a high balance in its design depth. Scenes are drawn out with characters talking, camera angles are made to give a greater feel, and the level design & interaction is longer and more complex for each area. These decisions are more are made by developers and these decisions ultimately made each element of the game more complex while connecting each game design element in each map and scene carefully without making the game convoluted. This creates a great game that a wider demographic can appreciate but also cripples the old simplistic final fantasy composition.

I think FFs 1 - 6 offer a different kind of experience than FFVII and up are trying to offer, but to me FF6 is more of an awkward teenager phase.
Among them I like FFIV the best I have a hard time comparing FFVII and FFIV.

And of course its hard to compare any of the Final Fantasies after 10 as the name was just slapped onto a game to sell it as an MMO. Of cource MMOs aren't popular unless its a massive amount of people play simultaneously and what other way to do that than use a popular title...

Final Fantasy has a serious fanbase thanks to even FFVI for those caring mostly for the old basic system.

I enjoyed VI a lot, but I'll always have a soft spot for IV.

There is nothing to me to hate ff6.Sure there are people who hate ff6, but the ones i know is because of rivalry between ff6 and ff7 fanbase, and i don't really know why.Then there are the people who legitimately dislike it, and prefer other games, which is fine since they don't hate it for some stupid irrational reason.Same goes for the people who stupidly hate irrationally ff7 as well.

How could anyone hate the game, it's soundtrack or anything else about it. I still play it, in it's SNES FF3 GLORY. I still think the Opera is one the the greatest video game sequences EVER! PERIOD!

People are opinionated and some people can't see past their bias towards games.

People are opinionated and some people can't see past their bias towards games.

I see we share a similar sense of sarcasm. My capitalized PERIOD always gets a reaction. There's a 28 Days Later joke in there somewhere.

I don't mind if people say a game is their favorite.What I don't like, is when someone will say something sucks and then put in front another game that has less story and involving gameplay, like comparing secret of mana which is kiddy friendly like Crystal chronicles, and no story.This only leads me to believe that those people are either:A Little kids too young to appreciate games from the bygone era, which most people who's first game was Ffx was, or people who are small minded people who can't get past the console war things, like razorfist is, and some others.There seems to be a sentiment to attack old games by some, and to accuse them of aging badly.I see some do this with ff7.I saw razorfist and I saw another guy too do this.Sure graphically it hasn't aged well, but who cares? It's ps1 era rpg that was relatively mid term, and se was new with the tech.Beauty won't make the story or gameplay better.The crowd who also accuse ff6 of being bad because all the story based moments aren't in cutscenes also aggravate me, as it is so mind numbingly dumb thing to say.

The other crowd which annoys me, are those who hate ff6 because they say there is no main character.Having no main character has its advantages and disadvantages.Take ff4 for an example:Good leading character, good side characters who are strong in character.Disadvantages:Some games minimalize the character development of side characters, like in ff7 and ff8 and Ffx and for an example:FFXIII.I think if you want your world to be immersive, so should the characters.

Having no central character has the disadvantage of if you don't put enough development, you just have blank characters with no personality.Chrono from Chrono trigger had very little personality.

Furthermore:You can tell people are small minded, when they turn towards abusing the other person by throwing insults at him.

Since we are not going to get rid of these elitist, all we can do is ignore them.To argue with them only brings us down to their level of intelligence.

You can tell people are small minded, when they turn towards abusing the other person by throwing insults at him.

Since we are not going to get rid of these elitist, all we can do is ignore them.To argue with them only brings us down to their level of intelligence.

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Well said. I agree.
I suppose my age precludes me from being able to compare some freebie mobile game that's been out for a week to an original 8-bit game (for example) that took years to make and has been treasured for decades!
The recent content is being pile-driven at us at such a high rate, and as you mentioned, most don't have a central character or motif to hang onto, making the game fairly obsolete after one play or two.
Chrono never did it for me either. That's why MOST of the FF games have survived the years; ask any great filmmaker what the most important element is...story, story, story, script, script, script. The rest falls into place if what's on the paper is solid.

You forgot characters.Part of what makes dragon age origins endearing to me, is the characters.The story itself isn't anything new, but the characters are really good.

I have to say, I am liking mass effect due to not its story, but the whole Sci fi ship thing with tons and tons of alien races to talk to and chalk full of info on all the races.I can't stand shooter games most of the time, but exploration and Sci fi elements I love.

I think a lot of kids are too impatient.They want everything to happen now now now.Some expect to be entertained with action, which is why we have the huge surge of fps and turd person shooters.Kids don't care if it's mindless action.Others are obsessed with how shiny their game is.

I wouldn't call indie gamed automatically bad, but definitely taste is involved.I do think I haven't gotten into that many indie games.There are some I really want to purchase, like mark the ninja and child of light.Others I have seen on Xbox aren't that good, and in my eyes don't warrant purchasing.

Part of me likes platforms, but I think it is just because I am very picky about what games I like and want to play.
The whole reason I held off on mass effect, is because I played the demo of mass effect 2 and 3 and thought:Ph great, more space marines murdering aliens, boooring.I am also very very picky about my RPGs, because I have read reviews and played demos of some RPGs I didn't care for.

As for most ff games: I think past Ff7, the ff series started to plummet into the abyss.Ff7 in my opinion was the beginning, because with the rise of popularity, means more sales expectations, and square is a company who cannot afford to not get more fans with such huge budgets in marketing and graphics designers and all the crew.I understand you want to ensure your survival so you can make enough to make more and have enough for a rainy day, but they messed up big time with XIII, and x could have been better.Endgame was unbalanced, and super easy because every character was the same mostly.Only:Tidus,Rikku,the football guy And auron were worth taking.The others could be used, but why bother? They are just flavor and offer no difference.Early on, there was enough reason to take lulu, but endgame? Why bother? You can learn all her spells and beat bosses.On top of that, the game was pretty linear and not many places to explore.Also, the monster design was the worse.Id take any of the previous games, even 7,8 and 9 over Xs monster design, even XIII.

I also think the story started to get stale.Little teenagers trying to save the world is the most bland and boring story ever.You can have teenagers saving the world if the characters are actually good.

Obviously tastes vary, but I literally can't understand how someone could argue that FF VI isn't a great, groundbreaking, influential game from a critical perspective. The sheer ungodly amount of content, the incredible and ambitious and unbelievably varied soundtrack, the beautifully dark tone and story line...it's just one of those games that is basically perfection.

I think the worse crowd, are the ones who pretend to be different, like guys getting tattoos and piercing, which I compare to flocking to a game and pretending to be original when a whole lot of people are already there, and it's immensely popular.Want to not be in the crowd? Be yourself instead of trying to be someone cool.ff series is mainstream.You want to really try something out? Go find some indie game and try it out.

Let's just say that I agree with ale triad that ff7 is a good game, and leave it at that.I have gotten tired of the fighting myself.Some days I find myself on the ff7 fan side when I see someone stupid post something obnoxious, and then when I see a fanboy of ff7 who never played it when it come out hate it, I find them obnoxious too.The game is 21 years old, so a lot have missed out by many years.If you are 20-21, then it's likely you never played it when it came out because you were a newborn baby, and playing it when it came out for that era is important.

Wow, 21 years? Jesus, it doesn't feel like that long to me!

Yeah the people who remember ff6! aren't that young.If you were 5 when you played ff6, you would be 26, so minimum 26 years, and that is being generous.That is why a lot of the really ancient ff fans are in their 30s now.Ff1 come out 28 years ago on nes, so if you were around then, and remember it, you would automatically have to be over 30 years old, and games like that which are so old, don't touch well with the youth, because the times have changed so much, which is why I pretty much just go with the flow and don't care much about the wars.Times have changed and ff6 was from a different era, which things reflected differently on what the technology was, and th interest.Only way I can see people getting interested in ff6, is if it has a decent remake.Heck even people complain about the graphics of ff7, and that is already 18 years old, which is really old, and older than most teenage gamers interested in the new age jrpgs with anime in it, so they have nothing to relate to in ff7 of old, but do relate to tales of vesperia.Ff7 and 8 told a lot of their stuff through dialogue rather than cutscenes, and there was no voice acting at all.People who are 15 aren't going to be used to that at all, or younger.Heck:I bet a lot of the young kids who played call of duty never played the original silent hill or resident evil games.

I probably won't be gaming much longer anyways.I don't have the fire I used to have, and I get more bored easily with the typical teenagers saving the world crap that is around in new games, unless it is something special.Gaming for this long has its disadvantages, and once you start seeing that the stories in these games repeat themselves, you will realize that you are wasting time, plus:Not a teenager, and haven't been for quite a long time anyways, so these kind of stories do not appeal to me.I think they stopped appealing with ff7.

There are some that appeal to me, and I was happy to try out the new ff legends game, and beat FFX, which I thought was alright.

I think we need a new direction in storytelling in Japan, because it is getting stale.I don't mind if the game has teenagers, but as long as they aren't super annoying like in FFXIII.What I found desirable in the ff legends series, is that monsters aren't all necessarily evil, and they actually live inside towns and talk to you, and have fears of being murdered by other monsters, and by the bad guy gods.Its cool for an example to have different monsters with useful powers.

As for the ff7 thing:I think honestly, it is still a little overrated by people who remember it, and that is because of the psp game and movies, which has allowed it to gain popularity with a younger audience in more recent times.Because of this, those very young audience don't know any better, and have nothing to fall back in, and for them:This is a standard for them in jrpgs of modern time.

Crisis core was released September 13 2007
Dirge of Cerberus was released January 26 2006, which means it is almost 10 years old.
Advent children September 14 2005.

Now for ff6

Android ff6 I think January 16th 2014.
November 30th 2006 in Japan.feburary 5th 2007 in America
Ff anthology September 30th 1999 in Japan.may 17 2002 America.
Then the original in 1994.


You may say:Golly gee, that is a lot of ports, but the game is ancient, and it probably didn't help sell ff6 that the ps1 version sucks.The game is also very very old, and graphically, ports on new consoles to help add stuff is the only way to keep people interested, but ff7 has more material, so there is bias, because it is the most popular one, and squeenix is smart, and knows that milking it will help get money.I also didn't list the port to PS3 of ff7

Then again:both games do need remakes, and are very old.

Also in terms of popularity, it would probably be like this:Ff tactics, ff7, FFX, ff4 and then ff6.

Ff4 is hugely popular, and it is even older.I think dissidia has helped popularize Cecil and Golbeza, plus the DS version, which looks gorgeous and plays great.I am not surprised ff4 is popular, because I have cared about it since the original came out.
I put FFX higher because it got a remake, and has a sequel.Plus:The original game itself is very popular, and sometimes more than ff7.

Finally:Somehow secret of mana is hugely popular amongst some, and somehow, even if it's hugely flawed, with a bad story and hardly any rpg elements, and bad very early limited multiplayer capabilities, it has gained popularity still.
I personally think it is misplaced, and although it can be fun:I think super Mario rpg is a better game.

I think I pretty much agree with every word here. ^

You know what it is? I thought about this, and it is correct:Teenage stories are more favored by teens than adults, and by the time you get to be a bit older, you tire of it because you went though it and are not a teenager anymore, and more so if you are 30 something.

Screechy high voices might be ok if you are very young, but are obnoxious if you are a grown man.I think this is why I am liking lost odyssey:It has adult situations of death and morning and life.Even ff6 had adults in the game:Cyan was an adult, as was Strago, and shadow.I even consider Sabim and Edgar adults.I don't mind th kids in ff6, because the way ff6 handles is not obnoxious.She was lost to being a slave all her life, and then didn't know anything because she was stuck, making Kefka more of a monster, and giving sympathy to her.I think also those whom are lost, can also relate to Terra.It also helped that I was a kid when I played the game, and it is true you have to let yourself get involved in the game to care.

I think also I can never truly go back to feeling the same way.I was the right age and impressionable, and it's harder to pull that off the second time in a row, and even harder to do to an adult with a videogame like that, but not impossible.

2 main reasons I don't like FF6 much
- 2D Effects of Magics looks inferior than 4 and 5
- 3D Illusion when get on the Airship wasn't good. I saw some villages or castles inverted plain squares on the world's surface.

The only main reason I like FF6 is that 2 main protagonists of the game are "female"
And they're all in a form of Knight which is somehow my fetish :D

The dislike I've mentioned above doesn't mean I didn't enjoy FF6. It's still as great as its prequel 4 and 5 were.

The 2d effect thing is just silly.That would be like saying:Ultima 3 exodus pc sucks because it's old.The spell effects are only a small difference and I personally like them.What is really important are the characters story and gameplay.

Also:Age comes into play.What version of ff4 did you play? Original or DS? The ds version looks beautiful.

I'm not sure how anyone could hate on FFVI. The lack of a Coherent main character was what I liked about it. I wasn't a fan of Terra perse, but was glad my Fav char in FFVI Cyan Garamonde was able to take center stage on my game. IMO, if someone hates on ANY FF, then they aren't a true fan of the series. I'm a true fan, I can find something great in every FF. Even the one that is my least favorite FFXIII.

I remember I gave up FFVI on the ghost train because I didn't have any potions or healing items or whatnot. Ended up basically fucking myself over in a save, mandating I start over the entire game. You can call that bad skill on my part but given that I beat FFVII, VIII, X, X-2, and XII, and that the ghost train is so early in the game, I don't really know what to say. Everything hits much harder there and healing items are hard to come by.

I will say that what I've always hated about Final Fantasy games is when you need a strategy guide in your lap to tell you the locations of hidden items. Inasmuch as that's essential to surviving the main storyline, yeah, I hate it.

Cue the "you're dumb, that part's the easiest part, i can beat that any day of the week, go back to call of duty n00b" comments.

I played through FFVI for the first time only a couple years ago.

I went in expecting it to be an overrated game, but I was blown away at how well fleshed out the characters and the world was.
I was taken away in this fantastical world and I was kind of sad when the game actually ended, I can't say I've had this same feeling with many other games.

You want to talk about games I have quit over and over due to stupidity olde? Ultima underworld keep failing miserably on the 9th floor, Wizardry 5th floor and bards tale.People who are used to jrpgs are spoiled by easy games, and games like these and even baldurs gate kick your ass repeatedly.Thing is:I don't think this is a bad thing.For games like wizardry, I have little desire to play it due to not liking mapping out myself, which is why I love ultima underworlds map system.Im kind of spoiled since wizardry and bards take was a time before I was really into pc RPGs, and I wasn't very good then.