Hi all,

I've been browsing various posts and information on Final Fantasy games, and I've seen a large amount of people who think Kefka of Final Fantasy IV/VI to be the greatest villain of all the FF games. I was wondering if somebody could explain to me, why? I've played the game, although not recently, and I thought he was the most annoying one-dimensional villain of them all. He seemed just like a silly old villain from the old Sunday cartoons, twiddling his mustache malevolently as he plans the heroes' demise. I thought this was lazy writing and boring at the time. So why does this portrayal not bore all these people who played the game and now think he is the best villain of them all?

Based on what I saw in these various posts, people seem to think he is amazing precisely because he has no shades of gray, which confuses me. I've always found the villains whom you can empathize with to be the most compelling villains of them all. And Kefka is simply not that. He's an annoyingly crazy clown who basically messes up the plot whenever he shows up (not in a good way). While he does change the face of the FFIV/VI world halfway through the game, this is hardly an original concept. You see similar things happen in games like Zelda, and FFVII arguably handles it better with the sense of foreboding and despair you get as meteor descends from the skies (pursuant with Cloud giving Sephiroth the black materia).

Anyways, I'm not trying to flame, I'm just trying to understand what it is about Kefka that makes him so appealing to so many people who played the game. I wish I had time to play it through once more so I could try and see that facet of his character. Please, somebody fill me in on this.

I dont know what everyone else thinks, but I believe hes a more of a stature because he actually pulls off what he set out to do, yes he is defeated at the ending, but he does conquer the world at top of his tower, I think that is unique but whateva.

Another thing it could be is, FFVI is very well respected and some people will just convince themselves that the entire game is 100% perfect, I think Kefka is kind of annoying too, but FFVI is my favorite FF. You see what I mean i'm sure.

Also, he is only FFVI, not IV/VI. Have nice day.

He's a great villain and very underrated. The guy's simply just a goofy & twisted son of a bitch, not very hard to grasp he's a sicko with that in hand. I'm guessing the clothes he wears bothered you.

SPOILERS: If you haven't played VI then I suggest you don't follow the link below.

This is why Kefka's the shit!

While he does change the face of the FFIV/VI world halfway through the game, this is hardly an original concept. You see similar things happen in games like Zelda, and FFVII arguably handles it better with the sense of foreboding and despair you get as meteor descends from the skies (pursuant with Cloud giving Sephiroth the black materia).

:seriously:

Meteor hangs in the sky for hours/days/weeks. It's just a few pixels in the sky. The destruction of the world in VI is swift, brutal, and quite frankly, delightful.

The sense of desolation you feel by finding yourself alone on the island, Cid possibly dying, and having to find the few points of hope left in the world for one final assault?

:fabulousbatman:

Locke_FF36 - Yeah, I understand that. I guess it just based on preference for dramatic plot changing events. To bring up FFVII once more, I felt more affected by Cloud's complete loss of his sense of self as he gave Sephiroth the black materia (which brought on the meteor in the latter third of the game) than the wasting of the FFVI world by the sadistic clown. I don't even remember the FFVI world being all that memorable (not that FFVII's was). Hence, my relative lack of caring for that event engineered by Kefka.

ABeatingBlackWing - His obvious insanity and utter lack of remorse does make him unique among FF villains. Although, come to think of it, Sephiroth is also insane with visions of godhood and doesn't really give a shit about anyone but himself. They just manifest themselves differently. Doesn't Kefka strike you as a bit of a caricature of the Joker from the Batman comics? And, by the by, his boss design is definitely cool and elaborate, if completely nonsensical. That is a sweet pic.

Neg - Yeah, I suppose the reason Kefka has more appeal to some is that we actually see the world that is devastated by him, and walk around that apocalyptic wasteland (as much as can be rendered with the graphical capabilities of the day). However, I would add that (Advent Children/Square Enix money grubbing ignored) we don't actually know whether the world of FFVII survives or not at the end of the game. You get that cinematic of the meteor hitting the planet, but it is completely open-ended and unknown if the lifestream and/or the power of Holy manage to push it away, or something.

Exactly, the money grubbing movie let us know that it was indeed repelled.

Just like the end of FFVI lets us know that the party has indeed defeated Kefka and undone his misdeeds. But before Advent Children, FFVII's ending wasn't as clear cut. You didn't know if all your actions had been useless and overruled by Sephiroth badassery and a massive hunk of burning rock.

But it I recognize this is a silly argument.

Yes, the vague ending is another point against VII, it's true.

Ambiguous! Leaving room for interpretation and making you exercise your brain a little bit above the norm!

Is that what you call all plot holes?

Blade Runner, The Thing, and No Country for Old Men are all good stories/movies that end with ambiguous endings. As for FFVII plot holes, I don't recall any although I've seen posts elsewhere in this forum that decry their existence. I hesitate to sidetrack this thread completely in that direction though. Do you know any good threads/websites that explain and point out these so called plot holes?

I know Prak. I think that counts.

And what is Prak?

A member here. I can't think of plotholes for VII off the top of my head, either, but the last time I played it seriously was over a decade ago, and I was pretty braindead at the time.

I'm pretty braindead now, but I'm a bit better at being critical.

I last played FFVII 5 years ago and I can't remember any plot holes. And I played FFVI only like 2 years ago. I thought the fighting system to be pretty addicting and the story decent, but I still find it completely impossible to take Kefka seriously as a villain, hence the thread.

I suppose we'll have to wait for this legendary Prak to discover this thread so I can learn all about FFVII's plot holes.

I hope he does, I've been honestly wanting to know what they are. I remember when Ktulu started listing off some for Revenge of the Fallen and I was like, man, I knew it was horrible, but jesus I hadn't even thought of most of the ones he came up with.

Sometimes I honestly wonder how much I do shut off my brain.

Hehe, I think I'll make a new thread in FFVII to see if we can get some feedback on this. I keep hearing about plot holes but have never seen anyone point them out.

Oh oh, good idea!

See, you're even doing my job for me! I'm theoretically supposed to be telling you that VII talk belongs in the VII forum and/or move the thread :D

Doesn't Kefka strike you as a bit of a caricature of the Joker from the Batman comics?

I've never looked at it that way but when I think about his mannerisms & methods I can see it, for example the mind control crowns, him and Seph have very different levels (types?) of sadism.



Is that what you call all plot holes?

lol.

Slightly off topic: Btw Blade Runner has to be my fav flick!

Well, its your feeling, can't argue with that.

I've been seeing some other threads 'bout that, and a lot of people say Kefka is a great villain because he actually enjoys destroying the world, and he actually succeeded. I think so too. ^_^

Except Kefka didn't actually destroy the planet. He just messed it up very badly. If he had actually destroyed the planet then it would have been impossible to walk around it in that later portion of the game, and you would not have been able to go to his funky tower to defeat him.

But, like you said, it is merely my opinion and I have little hope of swaying others to it given different impressions of the game and Kefka. But it is certainly interesting hearing why people think that way, and for that I am thankful for the replies.

I think Kefka is a lame villain, is the Final Fantasy version of the Joker and the guy has no reason to do what he does in the game, in my opinion kefka is the principal factor that makes the storyline absurd, a character can be destructive, but always with a reason. If you're just evil, because you are evil, no point to value, you are just another one in the big crowd and I don't think it's underrated, in fact I think it's overrated, But overall FFVI is a good game, great concept, good music, not so good characters, great gameplay. That's just my opinion, just wanted to share it. ^_^

Peace and love for everyone. =D

Kefka was evil because the Empire did experiments on him. While it didn't affect Celes and Leo (I think? Not sure if there was anyone besides Kefka and Celes, but somewhere in the corner of my head it says Leo was too) so bad as Kefka, I think he was the very first to get those experiments on him, and I'm pretty sure that getting experimented on you drives you crazy. Sure, he does the things he does out of the fun for it, but that insanity is based on the story.

I don't recall anything about that in the game, I've finished the game 4 months ago but memory can fail to anyone xD, although I checked the Final Fantasy wikia.

"Kefka became the apprentice of Cid del Norte M�rquez, and agreed to be the first experimental test subject for Magitek infusion." <--- there's something before this.

Early Life
"Warning: The source of the following information is unclear. As such, it may or may not be official canon."

I always liked Kefka because he was crazy. And because he beat the heroes. For a year at least. The heroes basically gave the hell up and went on with their lives till Celes decided to put the band back together.

Sure, he's not deep or riven by some inner tragedy, but that doesn't mean he's a bad villain. Just means he's not a deep one. Just like the Joker. What was it that movie said? "Some men just want to watch the world burn". I think that's appropriate.

Like puddles says earlier, ambiguity can be a strength. And I think it's a fine trait to incorporate into a villain given the much ballyhooed 'fear of the unknowable' among our basic instincts. Besides, it's pretty obvious that Kefka has no reasons besides the nihilistic urges to which a sane man probably would not submit. By contrast, I think it's VERY clich� these days to try to analyse every villain you encounter like they must have the most complex of motives.

I don't recall anything about that in the game, I've finished the game 4 months ago but memory can fail to anyone xD, although I checked the Final Fantasy wikia.

"Kefka became the apprentice of Cid del Norte M�rquez, and agreed to be the first experimental test subject for Magitek infusion." <--- there's something before this.

Early Life
"Warning: The source of the following information is unclear. As such, it may or may not be official canon."

Here it doesn't have the warning:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Celes_Chere#Story
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Magitek

I'm pretty sure that it's stated in the game that Kefka has gotten the Magitek infusion alongside Celes, but the whole other story (like with the orphanage and whatnot) is not secure to be canon.

Kefka is able to cast magic, thus that's kinda proof for that aspect of the story. Celes has her Runic ability, too. That's all told either in the Magitek facility or at the beginning of the WoR, I forgot.

Sherlock: Thanks for the data, I will play it again someday and confirm it.

DoomJockey: Maybe nowadays could be that way, but in order to find that kind of villain you have to search for it, and if you see cliche that kind of character, kefka still is cliche, pick up any villain from the "golden era of the comics", besides that quote about "the dark knight" is from the joker made for that movie, in the comic book "The Killing Joke" written by Alan Moore, we see a Joker with it's origins about his madness. But in the end is always a matter of tastes. xD

What does it matter where the quote is from or that it's recent? It's about the Joker. His characterization hasn't changed. He's just been analysed differently. The basic archetype is intact. And "The Killing Joke" isn't even considered to be a true origin story. The Joker admits it in the story and that element of his mania, his uncertain memory of how he got the way he was is carried over into the film and later comics. Why?

Because it is not trite and there is far more power in the mystery than the explanation. Ask the people writing Lost. They abuse the privilege constantly.

I say this because although there isn't much to Kefka's characterization beyond crazy, he's not some Golden Age Snidely Whiplash as you say. Kefka isn't Megatron or Spider-man's The Looter. Those guys weren't crazy. They were transparent, greedy egomaniacs. Insanity is a lot more effective because it's inherently not as well understood.

But sure, keep disliking it.

Out of curiosity, does anyone remember how exactly Kefka manages to remain a prominent 'officer' (although not the head of) the Empire in FFVI? It just occurred to me how strange that is. The guy is clearly insane and does some completely lunatic shit, so how does he manage to retain his job despite this? Any sensible person would have gotten rid of him/fired him... particularly an empire bent on dominating the world. Crazy genocidal maniacs tend to cause lots of collateral damage and make everyone look bad.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, "Golden Age Snidely Whiplash" <- that was just great XD, I agree about mystery and explanation, but I don't see the mystery when a characters do an action that in the end he has no reason to ever done that and say something like "he did it because he's mad or evil, period." it's just so empty for me, no one is mad because it borns that way, someone is made that way. I like more the mystery that wears the mask of truth.
Sorry if I'm not too explicative on this but... what can I say, it's still a good game worth to play.
My deepests blessings to you DarkJockey, you've proven to be a great person to debate, it's really fun to be here really. =D

Out of curiosity, does anyone remember how exactly Kefka manages to remain a prominent 'officer' (although not the head of) the Empire in FFVI? It just occurred to me how strange that is. The guy is clearly insane and does some completely lunatic shit, so how does he manage to retain his job despite this? Any sensible person would have gotten rid of him/fired him... particularly an empire bent on dominating the world. Crazy genocidal maniacs tend to cause lots of collateral damage and make everyone look bad.

Good point sir, in the wikia of final fantasy says that he was a "brilliant tactician and led the Empire to several victories in battle" <- but that's in the part of the unclear source of information.

puddles, I can only assume it's because Kefka is one of the few Magitek Knights the Empire were able to create. Also, despite his obvious lunacy I'd think the Emperor considers Kefka's ruthlessness a great boon in executing his cruel orders such as the assault and poisoning of Doma and the genocide at Thamasa.

If you'll notice, he's really the only general able to serve in that capacity. Although Leo and Celes have likely done questionable things in the name of the Empire, both are regarded as basically honourable and decent people.

So then, speculatively, he serves the function of the Secret Police or the intimidation branch of the Empire. Hmm... Ok. Seems like he is too loose a cannon to do this effectively, but it is a good point nonetheless.

I will look into this further when I play through it again soon.

puddles, I can only assume it's because Kefka is one of the few Magitek Knights the Empire were able to create. Also, despite his obvious lunacy I'd think the Emperor considers Kefka's ruthlessness a great boon in executing his cruel orders such as the assault and poisoning of Doma and the genocide at Thamasa.

If you'll notice, he's really the only general able to serve in that capacity. Although Leo and Celes have likely done questionable things in the name of the Empire, both are regarded as basically honourable and decent people.

This.

He's a clown and actually manages to destroy the world. Odd combination provides and epic win.

What do you mean, "has no reason", topopoz? Of course he has a reason. It's fun and effective to poison drinking water.

What I mean when he has no reason, is that there's no part in the game that explains why or how the becomes insane adding that reaches the highest ranks in the empire's army. The game explains the background for almost every character except kefka. This has already been discused, once i play the game again, I will provide with a more consistent opinion, until now, kefka is another villain to me.

Actually if you go into the bar in Vector a soldier tells you that Kefka went insane from being the first one to undergo a magic infusion before it was perfected. He was probably already high in rank before the insanity.

Actually if you go into the bar in Vector a soldier tells you that Kefka went insane from being the first one to undergo a magic infusion before it was perfected. He was probably already high in rank before the insanity.

Thank's for the data =D

I think Kefka is a lame villain, is the Final Fantasy version of the Joker and the guy has no reason to do what he does in the game, in my opinion kefka is the principal factor that makes the storyline absurd, a character can be destructive, but always with a reason. If you're just evil, because you are evil, no point to value, you are just another one in the big crowd and I don't think it's underrated, in fact I think it's overrated, =D

Whoops, sorry, not end of story. I've been doing some thinking and I think the reason Kefka's so frigginly evilis to emphasize the pointlessness of life when you're just gonna die anyway. To the point that he went absolutely lunatic.

To those whom I burst their bubble, my apologies. To the others, just remember, this is my opinion.

Whoops, sorry, not end of story. I've been doing some thinking and I think the reason Kefka's so frigginly evilis to emphasize the pointlessness of life when you're just gonna die anyway. To the point that he went absolutely lunatic.

To those whom I burst their bubble, my apologies. To the others, just remember, this is my opinion.

I respect your opinion, but you know,the way they put it in the game is lame, in SAW movies 1 & 2, they put that emphasis in a much better way. Kefka could have been a good villain to me, but he isn't, that's what I think now.

I am currently playing Final Fantasy 6 and I am nowhere near through with it but I have played every Final Fantasy other than 6. And I find Kefka the best villain in all the Final Fantasies and I haven't even got to the point where he blows up the world.

The reasoning behind this a multitude of reasons stemming from Kefka's pure evilness. He is extremely brutal, merciless, cold and lecherous. If I can elaborate, the example I am particularly thinking about is him poisoning the water to kill the castle people. No other villain in Final Fantasy save Kuja does things on this caliber where it makes the player actually feel outraged. Other than this, Kefka is manipulative and extremely treacherous, which makes him an excellent villain.

About your empathy argument, I would say that it is difficult to empathize with Kefka because it is extremely hard to people to be so cruel. I think he's a great villain.

Also, you say he messes up the story wherever he appears. I am playing the game for the first time through it and to this point (I am at the point where you beat Kefka after finishing the 3 side quests and defend the esper on the mountain) Kefka never messed up the plot. He doggedly chased my party and is actually a threat. He never allowed my party to rest and forces the rebels and my party to always be on the run. In fact, he is so persistent and dedicated to his cause that I see him everywhere I go in 3 different story branches wrecking faces. I don't see how he ISN'T one of the best villains in any game. I actually hate that fucker. I never hated Sephiroth or Golbez or Zeromus or that random final dude in FF9 or Seymour. Sure I didn't LIKE them, they were asses...but I never hated anyone like i hate Kefka. And that makes him the best.

The reasoning behind this a multitude of reasons stemming from Kefka's pure evilness. He is extremely brutal, merciless, cold and lecherous. If I can elaborate, the example I am particularly thinking about is him poisoning the water to kill the castle people. No other villain in Final Fantasy save Kuja does things on this caliber where it makes the player actually feel outraged. Other than this, Kefka is manipulative and extremely treacherous, which makes him an excellent villain.


Really?....You know I found it funny, I laugh when Kefka does anything. Because he acts like a stupid blondie/child that don't have his candy. I don't remember him manipulating anything, I remember him not paying attention to his superiors. Pure evilness? I don't think so. I found Freddy Krugger more evil than this guy. Ultros is more evil xD.

It truly is a matter of opinion. I personally found that I agree with topopoz's assessment. I found Kefka to be a joke, and hard to perceive as a threat to the party even after the point where he shatters the world. If he had come after the party like some dark cackling demon of destruction then I would've been more alarmed, but all he does is chill in his tower until you decide to go take him down (from what I remember).

In essence, Kefka = http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StupidEvil. At least, that is how I perceive him.

I like Kefka for the fact that he was a mere human and grew stronger as the story progressed. If I was in his shoes I'd betray my leader too in order to get power. What human in the FF series stayed human almost all the game or wasn't born with some god-like power? He might have been insane but he was smart in a way.

'Cause he's a real motherfucker that laughs MIDI.

Honestly, I liked him because even though he was such a sick Magitek-infused bastard, most of his liners and cutscenes were he was present felt like the highlight of the game to me. He was a fun villain.

Because he destroyed the world and is in FFVI.
No other reasons really. Had he not done the first or been in the second I have my doubts if he'd be anything more memorable than Evil Tree.

Again, he's a villain who actually destroys the world, unlike the typical one who plots to do so, takes forever to implement his plans or whatever, then gets his ass kicked by the "good guys."

That and he's a frickin lunatic, and a simple villain. He's a monster, straight up, not some confused retard with some inner tragedy/trauma. I think this kind of villain is one of the best, though I'm not saying that every such simple villain is good either.

I found Kefka's personality to be far more appealing as the main villain than most of the other Final Fantasy games. Sephiroth, while having a great character design, seems to fit in the archetype of a stoic warrior with a stained past, he's betrayed, seeks vengeance, and is hell-bent on carrying it out. He's silent, to the point, and rather formulaic. Not to mention he already seems God-like from the beginning, his power is placed on a pedestal above mere mortals. Kefka, on the other hand, is unquestionably human at the start, and builds his power. He starts off as a sniveling, thieving narcissist and slowly builds into a power-hungry maniac. He brings a certain wit and hilarity to his role that other villains don't.

If anything, I praise Kefka for bringing a sense of nihilistic comedy into his role. Other villains in the series feel sort of rooted in the more classic good vs evil role, taking the situation very seriously (sometimes overly so). With Kefka, he seems to be evil for the sheer thrill of it rather than the sake of pursuing some kind of lofty vengeance or higher destiny. Rather than a hanging monologue, he gives a shrill laugh. The way he treats the situations are hilarious, and in a way, you just can't wait to be able to beat him. With other villains, I always wondered why they simply didn't kill you from the start (would've been a short game I suppose). With Kefka, it actually seems a little more....believable (it's a stretch) because he starts from a very low position and gradually builds more and more power. There are many times in the game when he's clearly outmatched and runs away to fight another day.

Some people might say that he's simple, but I don't agree with that assessment. The normal approach seems to be to tack on a motive for the villain; he's a relative, he wants revenge, it's his destiny, etc. In this case, Kefka just finds a sick sense of enjoyment out of torture. He thrives on pain, which makes him a more fascinating character.

I'm not trying to knock on the other games, or the other villains of the series here. I love most of the Final Fantasy games, and VII is amazing. I just feel like the more "serious" villains in the series tend to be more cliched. Sephiroth is cool, but he seems to be more of a common archetype. Characters like Golbez and Exdeath kind of fit with the more illustrious, grand villains--dark knights with immense power (although obviously in Golbez's case there's more behind it, whereas Exdeath is simply an all powerful being). With Ultimecia, I kind of lacked the sense of conflict, most of the game just felt like figuring out who she was and how to get to her. As for Kuja...well, he was great, actually. He reminded me more of Kefka and I enjoyed his presence. His insanity reminded me of characters like Kefka (but the ending/final confrontation of IX angered me to no end).

Kefka is just a sick villain that enjoys his job and laughs along the way. When he backstabs the Emperor, poisons the river, absorbs the Eidolons, or just trashes the "hope" speeches the main characters make, he comes off as a comedic evil. Not "pure" evil though, in my book.

Kefka is the perfect villain because he's one that you love to hate.

And what is Prak?

prak mor liek prik lolo

He's not the mysterious unknown bad guy, instead he's around a whole lot

Kefka was driven insane by magitek infusion or something like that. Before that he was a mild-mannered person. I think that's a shade of gray.

Mofo ended the world, all that needs to be said.

I disagree that Kefka is stupid evil. But I'm not going to repeat what everyone else has said either. I also disagree that Kefka is a good villain simply because he is insane, conquers the world, and is a God. In fact, Kefka is only a good villain because he is a parody of a villain and since he's not actually a REAL villain, but instead just a pretend one, you hate him. This is exemplified very well in Thamasa when Kefka kills all of the Espers. He says, "I'm all-powerful! Hee, hee, haw! I'm collecting Espers! I'm extracting magic!" It's almost as if he's just poking fun at the whole matter. Obviously he is collecting Espers and obviously he is extracting magic, he's just saying it out loud as if to say, "Look at me! Aren't I so bad?" If this were Sephiroth, he would have just torched the town, stole the Espers, and left without saying a word. But Kefka, on the other hand, isn't a real villain. He's just a parody of the archetype. He laughs maniacally, rubs his hands together when things go his way, and pitches temper tantrums. On top of all that, he's a clown. His entire existence is just one big joke that shouldn't be taken seriously. He does bad things simply because they're bad and then tells people about it. In comparison, that would be like a little kid stealing a cookie from the cookie jar and then running to mommy to tell her about it while still holding the cookie in his hand. The mom would just say, "put it back," however, then the kid eats the cookie in front of her. Obviously the kid is just trying to be a douche bag. He did that on purpose just to piss off his mom. That's how Kefka is. He's just a douche bag. So, why is Kefka a good villain? It's because you hate him, he does thing simply to piss you off because he's not a real villain, he's just a parody of one or a 'mock' villain.

Isn't that also why everyone loves Earthbound? It's not a serious RPG. It's just a parody of one. It's hilarious and it follows every archetype of an RPG while making fun of it at the same time. So, I wouldn't call Earthbound a serious RPG, I'd call it a parody of an RPG. That's what Kefka is, he's not a real villain. He's doing everything right, laughing insanely, killing for no reason, etc: he's following the archetype perfectly. But, people seem to miss the fact that what makes him so good is that he doesn't take himself seriously. What other villains in the Final Fantasy series are a parody of themselves? Certainly not Sephiroth, he's as serious as they come.

I liked him better when his name was "The Joker"

Isn't that also why everyone loves Earthbound? It's not a serious RPG. It's just a parody of one. It's hilarious and it follows every archetype of an RPG while making fun of it at the same time. So, I wouldn't call Earthbound a serious RPG, I'd call it a parody of an RPG.

You apparently never got very far in that game...


What other villains in the Final Fantasy series are a parody of themselves? Certainly not Sephiroth, he's as serious as they come.

Sephiroth is not a serious villain. He's not even evil, he's just a confused coward who has to hide behind his mommy. <_<

Kefka is good because he is pure evil. Not the Sephiroth kind of evil who just wants to kill everyone because he's scared, not the Ultimecia kind of evil who just wants to rule the world for no apparent reason. Kefka is a good villian because he is insane. A madman, a murderer, a deranged psychopath. He doesn't hide behind petty reasoning, he doesn't answer to anyone, and... he... just... kills...

We already got pure evil on IV, V, wow... I've just realized, SNES FF has only pure evil villains... Damn... So that's why VI get's lame in that aspect...

I liked him better when his name was "The Joker"

I think its cause...

He poured poison into a river and poisoned a whole f***in town.

If my memory serves me right.

But I agree with one of the above comments.. about how he actually accomplished what he set out to do.. and that was take over the world.

Sephiroth is not a serious villain. He's not even evil, he's just a confused coward who has to hide behind his mommy. <_<

Nahhh bruh, lol

Sephiroth is THAT dude

And he looks the coolest.

I think that counts for something.

A long silver mane, a fabulous leather coat and a sword to overcompensate something... Iunno. :<

Also, he whines about being super-human, I mean wtf.

Man, I used to really like Kefka. But I do think that Topopoz has an excellent point. Quite frankly, he was better as The Joker. However, who is a better evil villain than Kefka in the Final Fantasy franchise? Honestly, the Final Fantasy villains are kind of just meh. People said that Kuja is pretty awesome but I wouldn't know. I thought that Final Fantasy IX was ridiculously boring and stopped after Disc 1.

Man, I used to really like Kefka. But I do think that Topopoz has an excellent point. Quite frankly, he was better as The Joker. However, who is a better evil villain than Kefka in the Final Fantasy franchise? Honestly, the Final Fantasy villains are kind of just meh. People said that Kuja is pretty awesome but I wouldn't know. I thought that Final Fantasy IX was ridiculously boring and stopped after Disc 1.

Agreed on IX boredomness... Disagreed on Kuja's Awesomeness.

Better than Kefka in FF Franchise?, Golbez/Zemus/Zeromus.
Sephiroth, Yeah he's a pussy, etc... *FFVII Haters Slash*, but kefka has nothing to sustain & my complains on VI are mainly his fault, Sephi at least did most things right.
Kuja was better than Kefka, except that his Artistic Design was just disgusting & a plain big FAIL.
Cid/Vayne/Venat, most people didn't understand how the role of these characters worked on XII & they slashed the game storyline as bullshit, because, they aren't really villains, they are just antagonists, it's not the same...
That's my opinion, I hope it answers your question.

Anyway, this thread is kinda old...

an old thread....

Kefka was not only insane but treacherous.

That made him awesome.

There was a post here, Moderators Erase this.

I think its the greatest villain too. He was the only villain that you can really hate, not only that FF6 is one of the few games that does. The problem with Sephiroth was like you can do and do it for a bad very good, although I was still very cool admin..

I think its the greatest villain too. He was the only villain that you can really hate, not only that FF6 is one of the few games that does. The problem with Sephiroth was like you can do and do it for a bad very good, although I was still very cool admin..

Um . . . what? You lost me at Sephiroth. . . .

Glad you feel the same toward Kefka as I do though :D

He was insane, treacherous and all power. He is the greatest villain in the FF series.
*Although Ex-death seemed a little harder for me lol*

Golbez will forever be one of my favorite villains because FFIV was my first FF experience, but I'd rank Kuja and Kefka close seconds.

Wow.....
old thread but a very cool discussion about one of the greatest RPG bad guys, ever.

You know Now with the Dissidia Games out. In which the cast of characters through 1 to 6 are given some more depth to them.

I Think I'm gonna Revive this Thread. & see where the direction & the Thoughts about Kefka will go to.

Don't revive dead threads. Check the date of the last post, and if older than 6 months DO NOT REVIVE. Unwritten Forum Rule... make a new thread about the discussion, if you feel it's warranted.. The main majority of people who posted in this thread (even the OP), don't come here anymore...

Cool discussion yes, but as Revan said, this thread is old. If you want to post on this subject, make a new thread about it please.

So... to this thread I say, using a cue from Kefka himself, " And you old thread, TAKE A HIKE!" ;)