Atenzor
03-04-2009, 02:57 AM
My friend shared this with me, he went to the Festival
and got it! So, all thanks to him, but thanks to me for upload!

From the "Info.txt" file:


Final Fantasy: Origins of Darkness (Works)
ファイナルファンタジー:闇の起源

Year: 2000
Composers: Nobuo Uematsu, Atsuhisa Hiruyami
Tracks: 8
Length: 30:53
Quality: Good (MP3-VBR) 128-256kbps
Catalog Number: N/A

Tracklist (English):

01 Legend of Fantasy
02 Calm before the Storm
03 Attack on Midgar
04 Sad Departure
05 Darkness Rising
06 Battle of Fate
07 Fate
08 Origin of Darkness

More Info:

This soundtrack is classified as Works, meaning it is not released
officially. This album was made available to limited number of people
at the "Music From Japan Festival 2000".

Not a lot is known for this album than the info in this file...
Thanks for reading and enjoy this release!

-n8&-

Link: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5TYMO7MJ (MP3 Version-38MB)
Link: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6387TRAO (FLAC Version-146MB)
NO PASSWORD!
Enjoy! ;) Great Music!

-Atenzor-

tatsuya1221
03-04-2009, 03:46 AM
Thank you very much for the upload!

karyuudo
03-04-2009, 04:24 AM
Thanks man!

Myrkul
03-04-2009, 02:16 PM
Could you give more information about this...

I'd say it's bullshit because if you scan it with EncSpot:



Who'd be idiot enough to rip such a release with 3 different codecs and bitrates...
So even if it was a real deal on this festival, what your friend (or you) are offering is NOT the real thing.

bravefencer17
03-04-2009, 03:02 PM
It's actually a pretty sweet soundtrack. I wouldn't say it's final fantasy per say but there is some pretty epic and beautiful tracks here that seem to tell a partial story in a way. I would download it just to give it a listen, even if it may not be Uematsu himself doing the tracks.

Leon Scott Kennedy
03-04-2009, 03:13 PM
Could you give more information about this...

I'd say it's bullshit because if you scan it with EncSpot:



Who'd be idiot enough to rip such a release with 3 different codecs and bitrates...
So even if it was a real deal on this festival, what your friend (or you) are offering is NOT the real thing.
Meh... at least it got shared. I wouldn't complain too much.

@T.'s author:
Thanks for the upload. Can you request to this friend of yours a better quality rip?

Atenzor
03-04-2009, 08:29 PM
If you guys can wait, I will come back with 3 things:

1) More info from my friend
2) Better quality (FLAC)
3) More tracks...???

Thanks

Atenzor
03-04-2009, 10:32 PM
FLAC Version (146MB):
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6387TRAO

I think my friend is working on an even better quality version.
There are no additional tracks known. Modified "Info.txt" file:


Final Fantasy: Origins of Darkness (Works)
ファイナルファンタジー:闇の起源
FLAC VERSION (FLAC-encoded rip)

Year: 2000
Composers: Nobuo Uematsu, Atsuhisa Hiruyami
Tracks: 8
Additional Tracks: 0 (None)
Length: 30:53
Quality: Perfect (FLAC-VBR) 1,411kbps(CD)
Catalog Number: N/A

Tracklist (English):

01 Legend of Fantasy
02 Calm before the Storm
03 Attack on Midgar
04 Sad Departure
05 Darkness Rising
06 Battle of Fate
07 Fate
08 Origin of Darkness

More Info:

This soundtrack is classified as Works, meaning it is not released
officially. This album was made available to limited number of people
at the "Music From Japan Festival 2000".

Not a lot is known for this album than the info in this file...
Thanks for reading and enjoy this release!

-n8&-

Well, that's all for now. And btw "Myrkul", it's not bullshit.
Anyways! Enjoy! ;)

-Atenzor-

Myrkul
03-04-2009, 11:16 PM
I tend to believe on things you can have or find informations about.

But i searched like 30 minutes on the whole net and could not find anything related to this.
I could not relate that album to anything of the following:
Music From Japan Festival 2000
english album title
japanese album title
english tracklist
japanese tracklist

You must admit that putting an album with 4 different bitrates feel suspicious, like a gathering of tracks from here and there.

I saw you added that entry to vgmdb, i hope someone will confirm it.
You know, one of the biggest proof ever, is a scan of the CD...

edit: i'd like to add that my messages are not meant to be agressive or anything.. i am just tired of seeing crap about VGM
(wrong tracklists, imaginative albums titles, incomplete albums, badly encoded ones)
So i try to fix and advice anything/anyone i can for a better preservation and respect of this music.
I'm more than happy when i discover new things and when someones proves me i am wrong ;)

Atenzor
03-04-2009, 11:41 PM
What kind of CD scan you are talking about? Thanks!
I will try to find more info on this too.

Leon Scott Kennedy
03-04-2009, 11:58 PM
This album was made available to limited number of people
at the "Music From Japan Festival 2000".

It's fair to believe this Album was released on a disc. Don't you have an image of the actual CD, or cover? Just to prove that this is not fake.

Aero
04-08-2009, 09:42 PM
These three covers can't be serious: http://vgmdb.net/album/12451

Myrkul & me have the same point of view when talking about fidelity in the information. Crediting it to Nobuo Uematsu in a release (and doing it also on a site like VGMDB), is something serious when talking about respect for the people interested in music. I hope, atenzor, that you want to be serious about this kind of submission. Your friend owns the MiniDisc?

The stats that Myrkul added, not only shows different kbps for the MPEG cofidication, but also different LAME codec for some of the files. This means, at least, that some of those tracks may be coded in different dates, if not from different discs. Experts in FLAC could confirm too if the source form the FLAC files was a Linear PCI source, or a file with major compression rate (MP3 for example). Unfortunately I don't have that ability.

In this thread, you said it's a Compact Disc. Into the VGMDB, you said it's a MiniDisc. If there's info for Composition, and Track Titles, there should be something to scan then on the release.

I honestly don't know what to believe, and the tracks credited to Nobuo Uematsu doesn't contains his touch. Whatever, I like Track 02... if greatly fits a film soundtrack.

And, of course, as Myrkul also stated, my point of view is just from looking for the truth & fidelity about information, not to sound rude or have anything against anybody.

tofu
04-08-2009, 11:46 PM
thanks!!

Myrkul
04-08-2009, 11:51 PM
[...]
And, of course, as Myrkul also stated, my point of view is just from looking for the truth & fidelity about information, not to sound rude or have anything against anybody.

Yes, exactly my point of view.
I mean.. it's just hard to believe a disk with a composer like Nobuo Uematsu is completely unknown of the whole wide web.
And like me, staff of vgmdb was rapidly suspicious on this album..
The covers you provided saved it from but i could not help myself thinking this kind of pics does not prove much.

Now, the whole vgmdb crew does not know everything, and there are lots of albums we have nearly no info about, generally it's promo or very limited edition disks or gifts given away on such events (festivals, E3, conventions..)

Once again, the best proof ever you could provide is a scan of the disk itself.
I mean.. you must think about it, you (or your friend) got a disk no one heard about on the net, i would scan it asap and share as much informations as possible.

I still would like to know the reason why in the very very first place, you gave us this strange rip with different bitrates and codecs...
Once again, if this disk is so rare, there would not be 10 different versions around the web.

I can tell there's under 10 albums on the whole vgmdb database that are "suspicious" cause they are unconfirmed.
This album is one of them.. and with a name like Nobuo Uematsu on it sounds weird.

If anyone have more informations, please do not hesitate to let us know about it.

Atenzor
04-09-2009, 01:22 PM
I will try to find more info then! :)

Thanks for your replies guys!

EDIT: Oh and, how do you scan a disc? yes, I am a noob...

-Atenzor-

Aero
05-07-2009, 07:21 PM
This is a time-frequency analysis of the FLAC signal of Can't Say Goodbye To Yesterday, from the album Metal Gear 20th Anniversary ~ Metal Gear Music Collection, released on Konami under the catalog number GFCA-53:




The file covers all the frequencies from the Compact Disc release for that album and song (for those that doesn't know, the Compact Disc standard.. the Red Book, follows the 16 bit / 44.1 KHz specs. so that means the max. frequency is 22050 Hz). On the picture, you can easily appreciate that the analysis detects sound from 0 Hz until more than 21000 Hz. That's the power of a lossless codification as FLAC, Monkey's Audio and many others, when getting the best of a source like Compact Disc.

Now lets take the MiniDisc standard in mind (credit notes that were submitted for this release declared this release was a promotional MiniDisc). The MiniDisc uses ATRAC as format (or Linear PCM too on the Hi-MD models). If I'm not wrong, taking them at their lowest resolution, the ATRAC on its ATRAC1 mode for example, gets also frequencies until 22050 Hz (through two stacked quadrature mirror filters which split the signal into 3 parts), and the Linear PCM goes to 8 bits / 44.1 KHz when talking about the poorest mode, so it gets also frequencies above 22 KHz. That's totally normal since those codifications and formats are focused on what human's ear listens, and those are sounds until frequencies like 20 KHz. Now you can see a time-frequency analysis of the 1st track os this album, Legend of Fantasy, from the FLAC file:





Frequencies above 16000 Hz are clearly killed, as normal on MP3 files. Now lets remember what our friend Myrkul shown us time ago.. if you all remember correctly, the 1st track was one of those at 128 kbps but the last one was for example the one at the higher bitrate (256 kbps). Lets see now a time-frequency analysis of the last song, Origin of Darkness, from the FLAC file:

URL of the IMG: http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=track8.jpg
(I don't know why this 3rd picture can't be shown on the post)

On it you can see richer parts. Don't be confused with the new amount of frequencies since that depends of the instruments from the song, the sounds that you can listen and so on.. but taking that apart, you can see more vivid colors on some parts too and that's simply because you've a little bit more of bitrate. Anyway, it's killed above 16000 Hz too in this case like any MP3 would be.

What means this?. This means that the FLAC codification posted on this thread is totally useless. It may be simply because they were done from the MP3 files posted above, or just because the original MiniDisck didn't include better audio than that (but for that, the only way is that the MiniDisc was including the audio only on MP3 through SonicStage, as a Hi-MD). I can't think of a promotional Nobuo Uematsu MiniDisc on that quality. Anyway...: credit notes said it was a Linear PCM Mini Disc recorded at 1411.2kbps, so no MP3 files on that MiniDisc. But now lets do a bit of maths:

If we've a Linear PCM recording of 1411.2 kbps, and we see it only gets until 16000 Hz (if I'm not wrong this is not usual for Linear PCM, but lets follow...) it means it has to be done at least at the double of Hz, so that's 36 KHz. If you have a recording of 36 KHz that gives 1411.2 kbps (equal to 1411200 bps), on Stereo (2 channels), you have the next: 1411.2 kbps = 36000 Hz * 2 channels * "?" bits. So, if you do that equation, you get that the "?" value is 19.6 bits. Linear PCM allows samples of 8 bit, 16 bit, 20 bit and 24 bit, and since it was -+ 16000 Hz in audio at the analysis, lets take this may be a recording of 20 bits / 36 KHz... but as I said.. this is not usual, and I can't think of Nobuo Uematsu using synths or instruments that produced sounds only until 16000 Hz. Just take a look at the time-frequency analysis and those cuts at 16000 Hz are produced like by the MPEG equation.

So, if we start from what's submitted to VGMdb on the Notes (MiniDisc at Linear PCM 1411.2 kbps), the only reason to see specs. like the ones we see at those screens on our FLAC files, is simply because they were done from a previous MP3 codification. I don't know if the FLAC files were done from the MP3 files posted above (a simple poor useless conversion then), and those at their time could be done from a proper Linear PCM MiniDisc. That may be possible, so the MiniDisc may still be real. But why on the earth someone do a MP3 codification from a Linear PCM 1411.2 kbps MiniDisc, at different MP3 bitrates.. (in the poorest ones, the 128 kbps ones, loosing more than 1200 kbps of sound) and later when asked, do a FLAC codification not from the original source, just from the already compressed audio files (MP3 ones)?

Excuse my grammar, I'm not english native. Just trying to clear out these things a bit more since we still don't see more answer to this thread. Any correction will be welcome. Full gallery of the time-frequency analysis at high resolution can be seen here: http://img6.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=metalgearcantsay.png

p0llux
05-07-2009, 07:39 PM
jesus fuk. we got ourselves an audio nerd here. just download the tracks and enjoy it. don't give a fuck if it's real or not. it's free music, stop whining son.

Aero
05-07-2009, 07:42 PM
jesus fuk. we got ourselves an audio nerd here. just download the tracks and enjoy it. don't give a fuck if it's real or not. it's free music, stop whining son.
A bit of respect. Don't try to understand or listen things when maybe don't have the knowledge, the equipment, or the love for it. This is something that Myrkul and me were discussing when it was a serious thing since it was related to Nobuo Uematsu and it was being submitted to databases like VGMdb. If you still don't get it, I highly suggest you to read the whole thread before anything while trying to change that attitude.

p0llux
05-07-2009, 07:46 PM
don't try piss people off by saying something's not real. dude has the courtesy to share something you don't have. show a little appreciation here. it's because i love music that i don't whine about the so called "fidelity" of this album here. k im done with this. came in here to download some music, not to argue. have a nice day.

Aero
05-07-2009, 07:55 PM
don't try piss people off by saying something's not real. dude has the courtesy to share something you don't have. show a little appreciation here. it's because i love music that i don't whine about the so called "fidelity" of this album here. k im done with this. came in here to download some music, not to argue. have a nice day.
I'm pissing nobody. That's an idea the people usually have when somebody talks about fidelity on the audio or on the release's credits. I'm not saying that this music is not worth (we already said we liked some songs) and I'm not saying anything bad to the author. What I'm doing is trying to clear out things when talking to those FLAC files. The fact of being related to Nobuo Uematsu makes this is a release that moves hundred of people just because of that name. And of course this is not to argue.

I thank who shared this not because of being a Nobuo Uematsu related audio, just because it was audio I liked and because his action to share it with us. I hope you can understand this point of view, have a nice day you too.

Anyway, apologyzes is the post bother somebody. I was just trying to understand why that audio on those files. Nothing related to the author of this thread, just related to this release on the net.

karyuudo
05-07-2009, 08:16 PM
LOLing at this thread.

Billie781
05-07-2009, 08:26 PM
Please not fight, btw. interesting information, thanks Aero (i understand not all, but a little bit XD) ^^
Thank you very much Atenzor for this beautiful soundtrack m(_ _)m

Jessie
05-08-2009, 01:35 AM
jesus fuk. we got ourselves an audio nerd here. just download the tracks and enjoy it. don't give a fuck if it's real or not. it's free music, stop whining son.


don't try piss people off by saying something's not real. dude has the courtesy to share something you don't have. show a little appreciation here. it's because i love music that i don't whine about the so called "fidelity" of this album here. k im done with this. came in here to download some music, not to argue. have a nice day.

I honestly don't think he was trying to piss anyone off or whine, he's trying to prove that this is a fake or an official release which is what we collectors really want to know.


And, of course, as Myrkul also stated, my point of view is just from looking for the truth & fidelity about information, not to sound rude or have anything against anybody.

^ This quote shows this.

There is no need for any hostilities.

Atenzor
05-08-2009, 04:36 PM
Anybody found some clues about this release?

Myrkul
05-08-2009, 05:00 PM
The whole explanation is given at vgmdb (http://vgmdb.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8289#post8286)

I did not search long to find the Composer's private email.
I am glad he answered my friend so fast.


Now you can at least enjoy a release that should never have seen the light.
It's still ripped like an ass... and the Lossless are still fake.

I'd say we were both right in our convictions, and i hope this story ends nicely, let's keep it this way.

Atenzor
05-08-2009, 05:01 PM
Sorry for double posting this, but the truth has been revealed over at VGMdb.net forums, thanks guys!!!

Myrkul wrote:


Ok, so here's the final and only truth about this "album".

I personally found Atsuhisa Hiruyami's email, and i asked a friend to email him with a few questions..

Here's a copy paste of the whole mail log:
(this is his answer)

which is followed by the mail log from Atsuhisa:


Hi, thanks for contacting me :)

Let`s go through each question:

1) Q: You mean THE Nobuo Uematsu, the huge Final Fantasy game's composer ?
A: How many Nobuo Uematsu`s do you know... haha, YES, "him"!

2) Q: Could you tell more about your collaboration and your
compositions with Nobuo ?
A: Actually, that "little album" is the only collaboration I had with
him. I learned some
composition skills with him too.

3) Q: Did you meet him ?
A: Yes, in a way. I went to a local music studio, can`t remember now,
that was like 10
years ago and I saw him, I was like: OMG, is that HIM??? Then, I said
I was a huge fan
and that I compose music myself, however I am not even close to be
good as him. So,
he somewhat agreed that we worked on a private little album.

4) Q: How did you work with him?
A: It was based in that music studio I mentioned above. He wanted to
compose 8 pieces
of music, where I just provided additional music, since he actually
wrote all 8 pieces.
We worked on 2 synthesizers and one real piano and that`s about it.

5) Q: Could you tell me more about the 8 tracks with him?
A: Hmm, well, he wrote all 8 first, then asked me to "add" or "modify"
some elements
from them. At first, I liked how they were and they didn`t need much
change. However,
since he wanted to see what I can do, I worked on some tracks, like
"Calm before the
Storm`" where I added the piano part, while tracks like "Battle of
Fate", I just added a little
bit of action in there. It`s nothing complex.

6) Q: Did you release a CD with these titles ?
A: No, as far as I am concerned, NOTHING was released for this, it was just
a private album that was recorded (I don`t know how or by who), but I
don`t think
it was released as a public thing. I was the only one to have a copy,
maybe Nobuo too.

7) Q: Was it published ?
A: It was composed in 1999 and never published, it just was under a
private record label,
nothing more.

8) Q: Can we buy it ?
A: That would be nice, but I think they didn`t release it, so it`s
impossible to buy it.
Sorry.

NOTE: I saw a few days ago a strange case on Internet, regarding this album.
Here is how to solve it:
It seems, there are 3 problems to this album. First, how was it
published on the Internet?
To tell you the truth, I have no idea. I gave my copy to a fan of
Nobuo, and perhaps
he released it??? Not sure. Then, it seems the info says that the
publisher is "Music From
Japan Festival 2000", this is not true, I am not affiliated with them
and I would have known
if they did release, besides they are not the ones who recorded it. By
the way, the album
was published on VGMdb, however, it has NOTHING to do with Video Games...
Finally, it seems the album was recorded under different bitrates and
seems fake? Well,
first, it`s not fake. The reason why it has different bitrates and an
ugly photoshop album art,
which doesn`t even exist, is beyond me... perhaps that same person
released it that way
to confuse people... no idea, really! I hope this answers lot of
questions about this release.

Thanks, and reply if you need more answers. :)

That sure explains it all!

Aero
05-08-2009, 05:25 PM
The whole explanation is given at vgmdb (http://vgmdb.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8289#post8286)

I did not search long to find the Composer's private email.
I am glad he answered my friend so fast.


Now you can at least enjoy a release that should never have seen the light.
It's still ripped like an ass... and the Lossless are still fake.

I'd say we were both right in our convictions, and i hope this story ends nicely, let's keep it this way.
Thanks for that hard work Myrkul. I was surprised with the e-mail from Hiruyami.

Unfortunately on the e-mail he doesn't mention if they though about a name for that private work, so we don't know if they desired to name it in relation to Final Fantasy (as they did with some of the songs using words used also on Final Fantasy), or if the release title wasn't real. The song titles seems to be real judging by what Hiruyami told about the last one.

What is even more amazing is the fact that you Atenzor laughed at the covers when they were submitted to VGMdb by yourself.

Myrkul, in my personal opinion, since it includes words used on Final Fantasy and was done by Nobuo Uematsu initially, it may be included on VGMdb (without the covers since those are not real) including the useful info you posted to make it clear. At the end of the day it's a real work. On the other hand, it has nothing to do with videogames more than the words in connection with Final Fantasy and Nobuo Uematsu, so I understand it to be removed if the case.

Happy to see we finally have a real explain for this.