Reading some posts it seems that some posters here don't even like Final Fantasy games anymore.

:: raises hand ::

I love Final Fantasy with a passion. But I dunno about the games for the XBOX and PS3. I can't afford to buy either system, so...

It's true. A lot of us have outgrown the games. I, for one, dislike them because they mostly utilize archaic and inefficient gameplay systems, as well as for their absurd insistence on hiding about half of each game's content to make you buy a guide. There's also the fact that the storytelling in the games is badly outdated, severely repetitive, and often completely amateurish on top of that.

There are lots of better games these days, and I'd rather spend my time playing something that I won't feel like I've seen over a dozen times before.

I, for one, dislike them because they mostly utilize archaic and inefficient gameplay systems, as well as for their absurd insistence on hiding about half of each game's content to make you buy a guide. There's also the fact that the storytelling in the games is badly outdated, severely repetitive, and often completely amateurish on top of that.


Can I partially translate that as - I liked FFXII?

No, I hated FFXII more than any other since FFVIII for pretty much all of those reasons.

Hehe, for me it was the reverse. Not that I hated any of the previous ones but I did enjoy XII more than any other since VII.

VI, IX, I. That's about it, now~

I, for one, dislike them because they mostly utilize archaic and inefficient gameplay systems, as well as for their absurd insistence on hiding about half of each game's content to make you buy a guide. There's also the fact that the storytelling in the games is badly outdated, severely repetitive, and often completely amateurish on top of that.



I hated FFXII more than any other since FFVIII for pretty much all of those reasons.

What are you talking about? Archaic system? Inefficient maybe (mostly because you have to spent hours to level up and gather loot blah, blah�) but archaic?
And can you really accuse FFXII of having outdated or repetitive storytelling especially in comparison to the old ones? You surely must have noticed that none of the previous FF had the style and quality in writing that FFXII had. And it really didn�t focus on a plot of the epic proportions of older titles which is another difference FFXII had comparing to the previous ones. There was nothing amateurish and outdated in it. Saying you didn�t like it is fine with me. But saying you didn�t like it because of the things you stated, are you sure we�re talking about the same game?

It's true. A lot of us have outgrown the games. I, for one, dislike them because they mostly utilize archaic and inefficient gameplay systems, as well as for their absurd insistence on hiding about half of each game's content to make you buy a guide. There's also the fact that the storytelling in the games is badly outdated, severely repetitive, and often completely amateurish on top of that.

There are lots of better games these days, and I'd rather spend my time playing something that I won't feel like I've seen over a dozen times before.


I see what you are saying, especially about half the game content being hidden. I, myself found that I needed to buy the guide for FFXII to fully enjoy it (a purchase I regretted later on). I have to disagree with you about the gameplay though, I find it enjoyable. It may be "archaic" as you put it but I still find it fun and that's the most important thing. Each to their own I guess.

I too find that there are better games out, for example I have recently completed MGS4, a game that I found cried of excellence. However, I still very much like the FF series and IX is still one of my favourite games.

I see what you are saying, especially about half the game content being hidden. I, myself found that I needed to buy the guide for FFXII to fully enjoy it (a purchase I regretted later on).


Why don't you guys just download the walkthroughs from a site like gamefaqs or something? They may not be official but most of them are pretty good plus you don't have to pay anything.

Why don't you guys just download the walkthroughs from a site like gamefaqs or something? They may not be official but most of them are pretty good plus you don't have to pay anything.

I don't know. I guess I just trust the official guides more and they have maps and stuff.

What are you talking about? Archaic system? Inefficient maybe (mostly because you have to spent hours to level up and gather loot blah, blah�) but archaic?

Yes, archaic. Real-time party-based combat had been done in western RPGs, and in far more refined forms, nearly a decade earlier. There is a definite gap between Japanese-developed games and western-developed games now, with the Japs on the losing end. Many of their own big-name devs (Hideo Kojima, for one) have said as much.


And can you really accuse FFXII of having outdated or repetitive storytelling especially in comparison to the old ones? You surely must have noticed that none of the previous FF had the style and quality in writing that FFXII had. And it really didn�t focus on a plot of the epic proportions of older titles which is another difference FFXII had comparing to the previous ones. There was nothing amateurish and outdated in it. Saying you didn�t like it is fine with me. But saying you didn�t like it because of the things you stated, are you sure we�re talking about the same game?

What FFXII had was atrociously bad pacing, inexcusably poor character depth for pretty much any sort of adventure game, and a plot with all the originality of a typical summer popcorn flick. If you like it, fine. I'm not saying it doesn't have its appeal, but compared to a great many other games Ive played, its story could reasonably be called pathetic.

I sort of agree with Prak... but I still like the FF series. It was the first RPG I ever played, and I guess I'll always remain a fan... Unless some other HUGE game comes along, and I don't mean in content only.

I've been a cautious fan of Final Fantasy for around a decade and while I've loved some entries, I've disliked just as many. These days I don't really care about new FFs like XIII, however, I'd play it given the chance and I still might make the effort to buy it.

Point is I haven't tired of FF. Personally, I'm a bit more tired of the discussion. For every sensible gamer, there seem to be fifteen sheepish fanboys who can't stand when you criticize even the smallest aspect of an FF. It's a headache.

I still like them, although I'm not going to argue with Prak because I know he'd respond by saying how western games are so much better, and I've never played most if not all of the games he holds to be the best RPGs around, so the debate would be pretty pointless.

Yeah, as I grow older I might opt for games with more depth, but I think FF games will still have their appeal because they offer the casual gamer something that's easy (and fun) to pick up and play. And to be honest, in terms of RPGs, I am probably a casual gamer. Most of my money that is spent on gaming goes on sports titles, with RPGs a distant second, so I think I will continue playing FF games for a while yet.

As far as the new ones are concerned, I have liked pretty much every one since VIII. At first I hated X-2, as I found it to be far too light-hearted bordering on downright silly, but that dislike has gradually faded the more I've played it.

There's an old joke around here that I'm the only member of the Shrine that still either likes or plays Final Fantasy games...

It's true, Agent ^_^

Come into the DNS downtime party thread, please! I missed you, last time :sad:

FINAL FANTASY SUCKS

SUIKODEN RULES!

VI, IX, I. That's about it, now~

Plus V, IV thats about it

Allen, I think we've successfully revealed our ages to these whippersnappers~

Oldschool represent.

Represent!

There's an old joke around here that I'm the only member of the Shrine that still either likes or plays Final Fantasy games...

haha, I like FF aswell.

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I still enjoy the series alot..the new ones are starting to get boring..well, most games in general are getting boring..anyhow, I still love FF VI, VII, VIII, IX and really like IV, V and XII.X was ok...Still better then western RPGs

I'm sure I won't be playing any Final fantasies after X!!. I really don't want to shell out the money for n Xbox and Sony is dead to me.

I really liked X!!.

I liked the characters more than any Final Fantasty. Mainly because they weren't so overbearing with the obligatory roles.
ie irritating hyper active girl and the moody 'bad ass' with a big sword.

Unfortunately there was almost no interaction between any of them. That I really did not like about the game.
I also do not like the 80+ hours required to get all of the best equipment and side quests.

Just because I like to play games does not mean I don't have other things to do.

I still play Final Fantasy and I still enjoy it. I mean, I'm not a big gamer, and I really don't go out to buy new games. It's more of a pasttime for me and FF really passes the time. Easy, simple, and fun.

I'm outgrowing/ have outgrown the series in my opinion, but I don't want to. :(

I own 1-12, and I want the games to have the same appeal to me that they did when I was 10.

It slightly reminds me of the first day of year 3.
My best friend and I didn't like primary school, so we ran back to the infant school and asked the teacher if we could stay.
We could not. /cries

i like final fantasy.
some spin-offs have been so much fun, like crystal chronicles (yes, we managed to play it in 4 player mode... it was awesomely insane)

I, myself, liked most of the older and the more recent Final Fantasies, like IV, V, VI, VII, IX, X, including III.

Though, I feel the series may be slowly going downhill, due to most of the original staff had already left, and the agonizing FFVII Spin-offs.

Perhaps, the series should actually be put to rest, I could never get into XII, it only bored me, I considered, giving it another try, only to have it drag back that lingering dullness.

I still like Final Fantasy!

My love for it hasn't really altered throughout the years, really, still especially FFIX and FFVI are games I can never get tired of. ^^
And there's pretty much always something in every FF game I've played so far that makes it so good for replayability, !

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I almost don't play videogames, but I still love final fantasy but don't see myself playing any of the past games again.

I love FF for what it is. A series with fun gameplay and a good story (for a video game). I just recently got into the series so that's why I haven't gotten tired of it, yet. I liked XII and it story because while it's a game it has a very good story overall. But it's not Tolkien, it's not Shakespeare, like some people make it out to be (fanboys mostly). In another forum someone said that Rinoa's and Squall's love story was even better than Romeo and Juliet. How ridiculous is that? Comparing a simple video game story with one of the most famous and deep plays in history? Anyway. For a media not particularly known for literary value FF's stand out in my opinion because they have stories with at least nice themes to them. Btw, Prak, which games have you recently played that you liked and would say are better than FF? (It's just a question out of curiosity).

For a media not particularly known for literary value

Try western RPGs. (Planescape Torment, Witcher, etc)

Archer chick, you really should try playing some western adventure games from the past ten years. The gameplay is less repetitive than those Jap games (puzzle solving works so much better in adventure games than fighting monsters that always conveniently stand in a row) and the storytelling is much more effective. I'm not going to throw out any recommendations because you're probably not going to heed my advice anyway, and on the off chance you do, you're better off finding stuff on your own because there's no guarantee the things I know of will suit your tastes.

As for games I've played recently that are better, I can name dozens. You might want to refine your question a bit because it doesn't limit genres and goes into some awfully subjective realms.

I don't play much anymore (with the exception of FFT on PSP), but I still listen to, and love the music of pretty much every game in the series.

I don't know if I'd enjoy the games as much if I went back to replay them, and that's partly why I don't.

Archer chick, you really should try playing some western adventure games from the past ten years. The gameplay is less repetitive than those Jap games (puzzle solving works so much better in adventure games than fighting monsters that always conveniently stand in a row) and the storytelling is much more effective. I'm not going to throw out any recommendations because you're probably not going to heed my advice anyway, and on the off chance you do, you're better off finding stuff on your own because there's no guarantee the things I know of will suit your tastes.

As for games I've played recently that are better, I can name dozens. You might want to refine your question a bit because it doesn't limit genres and goes into some awfully subjective realms.

Well, I'm interested in two genres mostly: adventure and RPG. Don't recommend any shooters because I hate that genre. But if you could mention two or three western games from the past ten years in either of the genre I mentioned that you find particularly good, I'd be happy to investigate more about them and see if it would viable to try them out. Also if you could indicate some reasons as why you thing those specific games stand out that would also be helpful.

Oblivion and the Witcher are the most obvious choices. Going back a bit further, the Baldur's Gate (I and II + expansions), Neverwinter Nights, and Diablo (I, II, LoD) are all awesome.

Also, if Oblivion doesn't suit your fancy, Morrowind might.

I don't think Oblivion is really a good one to start with. I've noticed a lot of people try to get into WRPGs after playing nothing but JRPGs and get completely put off because they chose a TES game. Sandbox action RPGs aren't for everyone and not really a good representation of most of the other games in the genre anyway.

I played XII and thought it was okay (not so sure it was worth the delays). If anything the music was the highlight of the game (for me anyway). Nowadays, games like SW KOTOR and Fable have caught my interest, filling the void FF left behind (although I do enjoy playing the classics I-VI from time to time.)

I don't think Oblivion is really a good one to start with. I've noticed a lot of people try to get into WRPGs after playing nothing but JRPGs and get completely put off because they chose a TES game. Sandbox action RPGs aren't for everyone and not really a good representation of most of the other games in the genre anyway.

Actually, that's a good point. I wouldn't start with an Elder Scrolls game. I stand by my recommendation of BGI/II/Diablo/NWN games, though.

what a bunch of intellectuals in this thread

I don't hate Final Fantasy, but I'm starting not to get as attached as I used to be. After FF X-2 I just stopped playing. I saw a couple of FFXII screenshots. It looks cool, but I've never actually played it so I don't have any decent input. I have also never been a person to stay with one particular thing... I like spreading my gameplay through different games. Although I liked final fantasy, I guess i'm just moving on. I guess that's kind of weird still being on a Final Fantasy forum

I still like the FF series. The only difference is I dont love like I did when I was younger, because theres so many other series out there now. So I wouldn't say i've outgrown them, theres just other stuff to play, like the Suikoden/Lunar/Star Ocean/ Series.

what a bunch of intellectuals in this thread
Pick any other Shriner in this thread, any one.

Now take their intelligence, take away 2, and divide it by 3.

They're still much smarter than you'll ever be.

Y'know, since i've been playing the SNES versions on my Advance, i can forgive Square for being totally faggotshit. We need a sequel to Final Fantasy 6, not a complication of FF7. Also, make the FFIV sequel for a console/handheld. Not a damn mobile phone.

Y'know, since i've been playing the SNES versions on my Advance, i can forgive Square for being totally faggotshit. We need a sequel to Final Fantasy 6, not a complication of FF7. Also, make the FFIV sequel for a console/handheld. Not a damn mobile phone.

Please don't suggest a sequel to FFVI, It's good just the way it is.

Please don't suggest a sequel to FFVI, It's good just the way it is.

Well, not a video game sequel, i mean what they did with Final Fantasy V: Legend of the Crystals. Not fucking CGI either, for the love of christ.

It's true. A lot of us have outgrown the games. I, for one, dislike them because they mostly utilize archaic and inefficient gameplay systems, as well as for their absurd insistence on hiding about half of each game's content to make you buy a guide. There's also the fact that the storytelling in the games is badly outdated, severely repetitive, and often completely amateurish on top of that.

There are lots of better games these days, and I'd rather spend my time playing something that I won't feel like I've seen over a dozen times before.

For many of these reasons, I adore Final Fantasy games. As per recompense to Final Fantasy, not many games are unique now. I would rather play a franchise I've enjoyed for the past 13 years than dive into a "new" adventure only to find that it's mollified with glitches and what works is borrowed from Final Fantasy anyway. Prak calls the gameplay systems "archaic" and "inefficient" whereas I say they're thoroughly play-tested.

I can think of a hundred RPGs worse than a Final Fantasy game.

Please provide that list of 100.

I enjoyed playing final fantasy vi and I miss Wedge and that other guy that die at the beginning, lol. The music was great and I've always admired the visuals in Final Fantasy games. However, I prefer Chrono Trigger in terms of the plot.

The characters in ffvi were great but I guess I've been put off from later ff titles because of the overdone coolness (if that makes any sense) oozing from them (example, their hairstyles and overly large swords, etc). I guess that's not what I'm into.

Anyway, as mentioned, the visual effects and creativity in final fantasy games is something I have always admired.

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I love your nickname and avatar.

I love your nickname and avatar.

Wait Skunk I dont get it?

I think I like more classic games than any of the new releases. The three most recent games I bought were ThunderForce II, NBA Jam Tournament Edition, and Super Mario Bros. I did play through XII and am currently playing it for a second time, but my point is some people prefer the "archaic" gameplay. I have to admit some of the plot in XII was a little sub-par, but still very fun and I still wanted to play it just for the story.

As for any new FF titles, I probably won't purchase them. Unless they redo VII without any detours from the original and just upgrade the graphics and maybe put some overdubbing in there.

I still love final fantasy but, square-enix is taking it in the wrong direction. why on earth are they making mediocre remakes of the classic golden age final fantasies!? im playing through IV knowing that unlike the GBA version i can never get edward, palom and porom back. its kinda like going backwards.

While ill still devote myself to final fantasy for ages on end, if XIII doesn't make it, theres gonna be alot of unhappy people. and what is it with the constant VII spinoffs!? and i believe that square-enix has been getting thier targets wrong or just epicly failing.

X-2, the official ff sequel which was aimed to bring in more women to the fan pool just scared them all away =\. while it did bring a great gameplay and musical pieces, it was just... misconceived. does every girl really want to play that kind of stuff? of course not, thats why many are playing WoW.

Instead of remaking their classics, square-enix needs to relfect upon how and why those final fantasies are forever doused in greatness. Right now its a hit and miss and this year, they're pulling out quite alot of games. Games such as FFTA2, the world ends with you etc are elements we can identify that square-enix is doing something right. at least for me that is.

whatever square-enix will do in the future, i'll stand by as a fan. I hope they will stop 'selling' final fantasy and start to 'make' final fantasy again. bringing up a small pointer that XII was hollow in story but massive in gameplay. stop reading reviews and start reading your writer's stories. thats what i have to say =)

I WILL LOVE FINAL FANTASY TIL THE END OF TIME...

FOR ETERNALLY, FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE...

And I've promised to.



I think every series of FF have their own good and bad points.
And there're so many things that the other games don't have...
(I don't know...but sometimes, FF can really make me cry - laugh - smile - exited - surprised and whatever...)


WE LOVE YOU!!!

^ lol

If anyone was wondering why Final Fantasy fans are a laughingstock among gamers these days, that's why.

Don't lump us all in with the 'tardish fankids, Prak. :(

I'm just saying that kind of thing gives all of you a bad name.

I WILL LOVE FINAL FANTASY TIL THE END OF TIME...

FOR ETERNALLY, FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE...

And I've promised to.



I think every series of FF have their own good and bad points.
And there're so many things that the other games don't have...
(I don't know...but sometimes, FF can really make me cry - laugh - smile - exited - surprised and whatever...)


WE LOVE YOU!!!

FINAL FANTASY, FUCK YEAH!

True about outgrowing these games, repetetiveness, the story, but to me its what makes this "series" a series worth coming back to. With FF, you know what your going to get. I'm not looking for a life changing experience in gaming, just 70-100 hours of solid and hopefully challenging entertainment.

This type of person makes me embarrassed to admit I enjoy anything in any form.

FINAL FANTASY VII, FUCK YEAH!

Fix'd :smrt:
Just because I know how much you love FF VII.

I'd say I lost a lot of faith in the franchise after FFX. And now, after finishing Lost Odyssey, I'm beginning to have little faith in JRPGs altogether.


I really liked X!!.

I liked the characters more than any Final Fantasty. Mainly because they weren't so overbearing with the obligatory roles.
ie irritating hyper active girl and the moody 'bad ass' with a big sword.

Rikku. Auron.


As for games I've played recently that are better, I can name dozens. You might want to refine your question a bit because it doesn't limit genres and goes into some awfully subjective realms.

I'm curious as to some of your favorites.


^ lol

If anyone was wondering why Final Fantasy fans are a laughingstock among gamers these days, that's why.

But s/he'll probably grow out of it.

I'd say I lost a lot of faith in the franchise after FFX. And now, after finishing Lost Odyssey, I'm beginning to have little faith in JRPGs altogether.






How come loads of people don't like X? I really liked it personally.

I WILL LOVE FINAL FANTASY TIL THE END OF TIME...

FOR ETERNALLY, FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE...

And I've promised to.



I think every series of FF have their own good and bad points.
And there're so many things that the other games don't have...
(I don't know...but sometimes, FF can really make me cry - laugh - smile - exited - surprised and whatever...)


WE LOVE YOU!!!

u h4v b1n "

If I didn't I wouldn't be here