Zin_LG
04-26-2008, 07:18 PM
Probably to no one's surprise, though.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/869/869541p1.html

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/869/869381p1.html

http://www.gtagaming.com/forums/oxm-uk-review-10-10-t101930.html?s=
b6fd0e58c2af3da002a4e72d0d41e330&p=1772627

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/grandtheftauto4/review.html?om
_act=convert&om_clk=tabs&tag=tabs;reviews

Apparently the PS3 version as better loading, less pop up, and better anti aliasing while the 360 version has more vibrant colors.

"For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in.

While GTA IV is pushing the PS3 and 360 to the limit, it also runs amazingly well. Sure, there are framerate hitches here and there and (particularly on 360) there is some texture pop-in, but it actually runs better than I expected.

The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often."

If you like GTA then it looks like you can't go wrong with either version. Now all we need to know is what this episodic content is for the 360.

KREAYSHAWN
04-26-2008, 07:31 PM
I was going to say shock

or some such!

J. Peterman
04-26-2008, 07:50 PM
me too!

i am in absolute shock!

grand theft auto and quality, these two normally do not go hand in hand!

Prak
04-26-2008, 08:06 PM
I'd take it with a grain of salt. The game is too heavily advertised to trust reviews on the major sites and publications.

RikkuYunaRinoa
04-26-2008, 08:14 PM
NO WAI MAN!!!!

IDX
04-26-2008, 08:23 PM
I figured as much. I'm more interested in the online play. It'll be hard to get worked up in such a free roaming environment compared to games like Halo and CoD4.

Goren
04-26-2008, 09:50 PM
:loldata:

DaKine
04-26-2008, 10:29 PM
I hated San Andreas. Hopefully this won't be a let down.

Denny
04-26-2008, 10:40 PM
I'd take it with a grain of salt. The game is too heavily advertised to trust reviews on the major sites and publications.

I agree.

Then again, that isn't to say that I don't think Rockstar won't deliver the goods. I really can't wait until I get my mitts on this. A day before release no less!.

Hynad
04-26-2008, 11:43 PM
The only thing I was interested in, as far as reviews go, was the comparison between both versions. I couldn't care less about downloadable content since I already have a hard time completing (as in get 100% of the game) all the games I buy anyways. So I'm going to get the less technically flawed version which in this case is the PS3 version.

As for the notes, I agree with Prak. There are some "best game EVA!!!" reviews for games every few months. Give the game a few weeks and you'll see players figuring out more flaws then were sited in the many "BEST FRICKIN THING SINCE THE MAN WALKED ON THE MOON! ZOMG!!!:O" reviews.

J. Peterman
04-27-2008, 12:13 AM
BRAWL!

Sobye
04-27-2008, 12:17 AM
Well there's a surprise.

execrable gumwrapper
04-27-2008, 01:25 AM
Can't wait for Wednesday.

Prak
04-27-2008, 06:22 AM
So I'm going to get the less technically flawed version which in this case is the PS3 version.

I don't really think that's a fair statement. From what's been said, it would seem that neither version has any real graphical flaws unless you consider anything less than perfect photorealism to be substandard, in which case you'd be insane. It's just a case of each version having its own unique strengths over the other. If you own both consoles and have a huge 1080p TV that'll show the differences clearly, you'd probably be better off with the PS3 version, whereas someone with a smaller TV would likely never see a notable difference, and therefore would probably give the edge to the 360 version for its DLC.

execrable gumwrapper
04-27-2008, 06:29 AM
JFTR the PS3 will have DLC. The 360 just has 2 exclusive episodes.

Raidenex
04-27-2008, 06:38 AM
I'm probably going to go the PS3 version, as I can import it for half the price of the 360 version. And get the uncut version too, since R* gimped the Australian version.

execrable gumwrapper
04-27-2008, 06:46 AM
See you on the multiplayer, Raiden.

Hynad
04-27-2008, 12:46 PM
I don't really think that's a fair statement. From what's been said, it would seem that neither version has any real graphical flaws unless you consider anything less than perfect photorealism to be substandard, in which case you'd be insane. It's just a case of each version having its own unique strengths over the other. If you own both consoles and have a huge 1080p TV that'll show the differences clearly, you'd probably be better off with the PS3 version, whereas someone with a smaller TV would likely never see a notable difference, and therefore would probably give the edge to the 360 version for its DLC.

It is a fair statement, since the better loading, less pop up, and better anti aliasing are things you can easily notice even on regular CRT screens.

I'm not saying the 360 version isn't good. I'm just saying that since I have both systems, I'm going to pick the version that is graphically superior. And I already stated that I don't really care for the DLC.

Prak
04-28-2008, 01:20 PM
It is a fair statement, since the better loading, less pop up, and better anti aliasing are things you can easily notice even on regular CRT screens.

The loading is essentially a non-issue. If an infrequent load takes a few seconds longer on the 360, that's hardly a major point. The pop-in is just a matter of textures loading more slowly, not entire building appearing out of thin air a block from your current position. Not exactly a deal-breaker, especially if you're in it to play a game instead of looking at all the pretty scenery when most people would be hauling ass and shooting stuff. As for the anti-aliasing, that is the big advantage for the PS3 version, but you have absolutely no basis for claiming the difference would be just as big on a CRT.


I'm not saying the 360 version isn't good. I'm just saying that since I have both systems, I'm going to pick the version that is graphically superior. And I already stated that I don't really care for the DLC.

And I'm not trying to talk you out of anything. Just clarifying for the sake of more hapless people who might otherwise never see things described as clearly as I've done.

Hynad
04-28-2008, 02:56 PM
Here's from the IGN review of GTA IV:


For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud.

Now I don't know your basis for that texture loading you talked about, but as you can see, IGN is quite clear about it.

As for the anti-aliasing issue, on a HDTV, if the anti-aliasing is bad, you'll get jagged edges and blurry details. While the jagged edges aren't really noticeable on CRT TVs, the blurriness is. I've seen the difference in the past in games like PGR3 and FF XII, both running on a regular CRT tv and having (!!!) slight jagged edges (in FF XII, you could fix that by turning on the filter option) and blurryness. Even if the issue isn't a deal breaker like you said, and won't be noticed by most people, I still had to say it can be noticed if you look for it.

Prak
04-28-2008, 03:55 PM
I stand slightly corrected (by my own research) in that it seems some objects will noticeably pop in. Nothing huge and distracting like entire buildings (I'm looking at you, GTA:SA) but cars and trees do appear out of thin air fairly often in both versions when moving at high speed. It is a bit more pronounced on the 360 version, but you'd never notice the difference unless you're specifically looking for a nitpick.

You might find this interesting. Here's the first real comparison of the two versions (http://kotaku.com/384422/which-version-of-gta-iv-should-you-buy-we-compare-the-ps3-and-360-versions). I'm not going to hold that as absolute truth until a concensus develops, but it is interesting.

Denny
04-28-2008, 04:19 PM
ftr my copy just came in the door :D

execrable gumwrapper
04-28-2008, 07:10 PM
WTF DENNY?! DAY EARLY? LUCKY BASTARD!

Harkus
04-28-2008, 07:44 PM
ftr my copy just came in the door :D

You cock! I want my copy now!

Wattson
04-28-2008, 07:44 PM
I'll go with the version that has an actually comfortable controller and more content. Isn't that the obvious choice?

Goren
04-28-2008, 07:45 PM
I'm going to get mines in a while...

Harkus
04-28-2008, 08:07 PM
I'll go with the version that has an actually comfortable controller and more content. Isn't that the obvious choice?

Well if nsb is right then the 360 only has two more episodes, hardly worth the money microsoft spent on it if you ask me. The 360 controller is pretty bad tbh, the ps3 one is way more comfortable.

Prak
04-28-2008, 08:17 PM
Two more episodes with an extra 10-15 hours of content apiece is a pretty big deal.

And as for the 360 pad, it's much less cramped and good for people with larger hands; people like, y'know, adults.

Harkus
04-28-2008, 08:20 PM
And as for the 360 pad, it's much less cramped and good for people with larger hands; people like, y'know, adults.

Nah my hands are about the same size as anybody elses.

Prak
04-28-2008, 08:24 PM
Too dumb to catch the potshot, are you? No matter.

The fact is that different people will naturally find different pads more comfortable. Your personal dislike of the pad does not make it bad, just like the fact that I and numerous others dislike the dualshock does not make it bad.

Harkus
04-28-2008, 08:28 PM
Too dumb to catch the potshot, are you? No matter.


No, I got the potshot, my post wasn't meant to be serious. You're getting a lot nicer do you know that prak ;-)

eltonjohn24
04-28-2008, 09:09 PM
GTA IV will be different from the previous GTA. There will be real sex with the hookers in the car. You can select between BJ, Hand Job or Sex.

Prak
04-28-2008, 09:18 PM
I may not be allowed to delete this guy's posts yet, but I can sure as hell remove his sig (in case you haven't seen it, it's a couple of advertising links) when he posts shit like that.

Wattson
04-28-2008, 09:23 PM
Well if nsb is right then the 360 only has two more episodes, hardly worth the money microsoft spent on it if you ask me.

Who cares if it's worth the money Micro$oft spent on it? At the end of the day, the 360 version will be a bigger game. A bigger game with more content is worth a few minor technical details... as annoying as the pop-ins are (but that's been a problem in every 3d GTA game).

execrable gumwrapper
04-28-2008, 09:33 PM
Who cares if it's worth the money Micro$oft spent on it? At the end of the day, the 360 version will be a bigger game. A bigger game with more content is worth a few minor technical details... as annoying as the pop-ins are (but that's been a problem in every 3d GTA game).

Also, be aware that as of yet no one knows what the content will have, so as far as I'm concerned, it's rather arbitrary.

Hynad
04-28-2008, 10:26 PM
Just a note... I know that it's likely different for everyone... But anyone saying the 360 controller is bad and uncomfortable is clearly out of his mind.


Also, I highly doubt the DCL will add 15 hours of gameplay, when the original run of the game is supposed to be around 30-40 hours if you don't free roam.

Sackboy
04-28-2008, 11:54 PM
Well if nsb is right then the 360 only has two more episodes, hardly worth the money microsoft spent on it if you ask me. The 360 controller is pretty bad tbh, the ps3 one is way more comfortable.

As a PS3 owner, I think the 360 controllers is way more comfortable then the PlayStation controllers, imo. As for the downloadable content, extra episodes or maps can be worth it if it means several extra hours of game play for just a few bucks.

execrable gumwrapper
04-29-2008, 12:28 AM
TBH... Everyone wins.

J. Peterman
04-29-2008, 12:52 AM
I win the most.

RikkuYunaRinoa
04-29-2008, 12:59 AM
I heard denny had alot of fun. Here is the story of the game so far..

Ha, i wouldnt do that

discodan
04-29-2008, 01:16 AM
See you on the multiplayer, Raiden.

Hitmeup 2, methinks im getting it 2nite at 12am, wallyworld has per their electronics dept.

Not that im a huge fan of the series, but going w/ friend who is and im wearing out Medal of Honnor online in desperate need of a new game.

execrable gumwrapper
04-29-2008, 01:23 AM
No doubt.

Sackboy
04-29-2008, 01:39 AM
noskillbassist, I'm kinda now thinking about getting GTA4. But I'm not sure still. Vice City was fun, but it got old real quick. I'm hoping this wont be the case since it'll also have online gaming.

Hynad
04-29-2008, 01:45 AM
I didn't play a GTA game since the third one. So I'm not too concerned about being bored with IV. It's been a while since I've played a GTA game so I'll have to catch up with the many things that they improved gameplay-wise since the third game.

execrable gumwrapper
04-29-2008, 01:53 AM
noskillbassist, I'm kinda now thinking about getting GTA4. But I'm not sure still. Vice City was fun, but it got old real quick. I'm hoping this wont be the case since it'll also have online gaming.

After viewing about 4 video reviews and reading up a lot on it, I have a feeling the gameplay won't get stale. Besides the massive single player immersion, the multiplayer looks very promising. I plan on playing Cops 'n' Robbers, Team Deathmatch, and Free Mode the most, though Free Mode will most likely be with friends only.

In the city, I really can't wait to see the many mini-games. The comedy club looks promising and the strip club should be a good laugh. I also read the drunk driving is crazy and I can't wait to try that. All in all though, first thing I will do is mess with pedestrians and checking out the Euphoria engine. I'm really excited for this game.

Harkus
04-29-2008, 07:44 PM
This game is pretty darn good. It's never been more satisfying to fight an innocent bystander, unless of course that bystander happens to beat the shit into you then shout insults at russians while you're on the floor :/

Goren
04-29-2008, 09:28 PM
Cover your eyes Harkus your too young for this game...

Harkus
04-29-2008, 09:29 PM
Cover your eyes Harkus your too young for this game...

I was expecting prak to post something like that lol.

Goren
04-29-2008, 09:38 PM
:/

Raidenex
04-30-2008, 02:22 AM
One of my friends got the game yesterday, so i'm planning on going around his house this weekend to play it.

I'm too broke to buy it for the next month or so ;_;

Ngrplz
04-30-2008, 02:25 AM
Whilst tempting...I have WoW...and unfortunately World of Warcraft makes every other game suck :(

Raidenex
04-30-2008, 03:43 AM
I was running through Kara the other day, and I realised that every Raid is like its own self-contained game in a larger series. I mean, every major patch adds hours of gameplay - Patch 2.4 shows how much goes into Wow's free content.

I swear, if anyone bitches about having to pay for WotLK, i'll slap them.

Still, WoW has its fair share of shortcomings. I wouldn't call it the best game in the world, but it's definately the best value for money.

IDX
04-30-2008, 03:53 AM
How the hell do you get on multiplayer with this damn thing? The website says all the different shit you can do but not how to even get on the damned thing?

Ngrplz
04-30-2008, 03:56 AM
I was running through Kara the other day, and I realised that every Raid is like its own self-contained game in a larger series. I mean, every major patch adds hours of gameplay - Patch 2.4 shows how much goes into Wow's free content.

I swear, if anyone bitches about having to pay for WotLK, i'll slap them.

Still, WoW has its fair share of shortcomings. I wouldn't call it the best game in the world, but it's definately the best value for money.


I <3 Karazhan.


Epic staff from Curator ftw!~

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khaz%27goroth&n=Ngrplz

mr. patterson
04-30-2008, 04:38 AM
How the hell do you get on multiplayer with this damn thing? The website says all the different shit you can do but not how to even get on the damned thing?

if you're referring to gta 4 you use your phone to go to multiplayer, but you should probably save first.

i was up horrifically early to buy this game, and i've been playing it for about 12 hours straight and its pretty awesome. the cover system works well and the euphoria engine makes killing pedestrians disturbingly satisfying (i especially like shooting them down stairs and laughing as they roll).

only problem was that it took me about 1 hour to take a corner without spinning out of control, not sure why they had to mess with the driving, but i got used to it eventually.

its also nice to see its as hilarious as the rest of the games, which is nice.

execrable gumwrapper
04-30-2008, 05:03 AM
Multiplayer is kinda not working, atm.

Wattson
04-30-2008, 08:33 AM
Patch 2.4 shows how much goes into Wow's free content.


$15/month


...granted that some of that goes to server maintanence but I'm sure it also goes to funding teams for patching. Things like the last Diablo II patch show off what amazing effort Blizzard occasionally goes through for their fans, though.

J. Peterman
04-30-2008, 08:35 AM
wattson smash bros cost $0/month but $50 to start

mesalgear
04-30-2008, 08:59 AM
I was going to say shock

or some such!

hi dude

Raidenex
04-30-2008, 12:41 PM
$15/month


...granted that some of that goes to server maintanence but I'm sure it also goes to funding teams for patching. Things like the last Diablo II patch show off what amazing effort Blizzard occasionally goes through for their fans, though.

I meant 'free' as in not retail, not free as in beer.

I mean, when Burning Crusade first came out, I was pissed at spending another $60 on a game I bought for $50 in the first place and pay $15 a month for - until I realised BC added so much it may as well have been a full-blown sequel.

The 2.X patches (and the 1.X patches before them) might not add as much, but they're of equal quality. I think Quel'Danas is one of the best designed areas in Azeroth.

EDIT SLIGHTLY ON TOPIC: I'll probably be picking up GTA4 tomorrow, thanks to a trade-in deal at JB Hi-Fi... assuming they have any copies left. Fingers crossed.

Ngrplz
04-30-2008, 10:57 PM
The Isle of Quel'Danas is the greatest "free" addition to the game.

I love logging in and doing my dailies and easily making 150-200 gold in an hour.

ON TOPIC: Doubt I'll get GTA4.

Sackboy
05-01-2008, 01:54 AM
I sold out to the media. I picked up GTA4 today. Go figure. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a202/nine_fenrir/robot%20faces/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Ophiel42
05-01-2008, 08:30 AM
I should've taken a few days off and just sat with GTA IV. If I had been more organised, I'd have stocked up the fridge, threw out the cat, locked the door and had a full GTA week!

Shumagaki
05-01-2008, 06:25 PM
While GTA IV is pushing the PS3 and 360 to the limit, it also runs amazingly well.
"Pushing the PS3 to the limit"? Does anyone really believe that? It's only been out for about a year.. I doubt any of the developers are using it to anywhere near its full capability yet.

Prak
05-01-2008, 06:56 PM
1: You misinterpreted the quote. Whether developers are getting the greatest results possible from the machine yet or not is irrelevant to the quote. The quote simply says that all of the machine's power is being used.

2: Ignoring the fact that the 360's situation is pretty much the same isn't cool. It's like you're trying to say "zomg PS3 si teh ubar sistem and 360 dusn't compair" or some other fanboy bullshit.

Sackboy
05-01-2008, 09:32 PM
zomg PS3 si teh ubar sistem and 360 dusn't compair

Prak, I just don't know you anymore. lol.

Raidenex
05-02-2008, 04:38 AM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90102764

Click 'listen now' at the top and wait until Jack Thompson calls up around 7 minutes.

It's hilarious, as always.

Sackboy
05-02-2008, 07:10 AM
Jack Thompson is quite the character. I hope he has some kind of evil, nasty secret hidden away that becomes public some day. That would be great.

execrable gumwrapper
05-02-2008, 07:26 AM
It's really kind of sad though, that people are dumb enough to listen to him.

They need to realise it's the parent's fault, not the game industry's. But that's America now. Ban everything not suitable for children.

Raidenex
05-02-2008, 03:06 PM
So, I arrived home around 5pm with my shiny new Xbox 360 copy of GTA4 (sorry Marvin and noskill - DLC and impatience won the day, as did 720p > 630p).

My greatest fear: a repeat of what happened with Grand Theft Auto III when I bought it on the Xbox, and GTA San Andreas when I got it on the PS2 - aka, complete boredom and frustration after an hour or so playing.

This did not happen.

I just turned my Xbox off after a 7 hour play session. I was completely drawn into the story - hell, for the first couple of hours I even 'roleplayed' Niko (not stealing cars, not beating up people for cash, not running from cops 'cause fun). The characters are interesting and well written, and the game is just...awesome.

Only con so far? I don't think that i'm ever going to finish Lost Odyssey now.

EDIT: Before the inevitable BUT THE PS3 VERSION LOOKS BETTER, I think they both look better in different ways. The Xbox 360 version is slightly sharper and the textures are slightly clearer, while the PS3 version has better anti-aliasing which gives the city a softer look. It's seriously personal preference. Personally i'm the sort of person who turned off smoothing in SSBB, so the 720p sharper 360 version appealed more to me than the 630p AA PS3 version.

Sobye
05-02-2008, 05:56 PM
Does anyone else have any problems with the PS3 version being horribly dark sometimes? I had the same issue with San Andreas back in the day, maybe it's my TV. But regardless, GTA IV is OMG awesome.

execrable gumwrapper
05-02-2008, 10:47 PM
Wtshit Raiden? Everyone has said the PS3 looks sharper. And ftr it's 640p, not that the 80p difference really matters, anyway.

Also I just finished the story. I'm going to do it again with different choices.

Paedo, I noticed it too. What I did was max the contrast, put the brightness at 80-85%, and tweaked the saturation.

Sackboy
05-02-2008, 11:34 PM
:holdit:

Now I'm really confused. The back of my game case says 720p, 1080i & 1080p. What did I miss?

TM
05-03-2008, 12:12 AM
It's weird how I got my mits on San Andreas as soon as I could, but I don't care much for GTA IV. I think the series has worn off on me.

Wattson
05-03-2008, 06:48 AM
Wtshit Raiden? Everyone has said the PS3 looks sharper. And ftr it's 640p, not that the 80p difference really matters, anyway.

Where'd you get 640? I also thought it was 630. Oh well, that's irrelevant.

The reason the PS3 seems to look smoother (you and raiden are using sharper in different ways I think?) is that, even at a lower resolution, the increased ant-aliasing in the PS3 version makes up for it. Of course, given the fact that color wise the PS3 verison is darker (hence brightness issues), I think the 360 outweighs it but I'm very biased. ^^


Marvin, apparently people have discovered that most games don't actually run at what they advertise to run at. Halo 3 and GTA4 are a couple examples - they actually run at smaller resoltuion (630-720) and then are upscaled to 1080. I don't know how they discovered it or why it matters, though.

J. Peterman
05-03-2008, 07:04 AM
I am 3000p

Raidenex
05-03-2008, 07:16 AM
I don't know how they discovered it or why it matters, though.

In Halo 3's case, someone actually counted the fucking pixels using the jagged edge on a 1080p huge TV using the assault rifle.

I assume someone did something equally retarded with GTA4.

execrable gumwrapper
05-03-2008, 11:18 AM
I looked it up and was taken to a discussion between rabid fanboys on the GameTrailers forums and they were redirected to this tech forum where some guy supposedly is so keen with his eyes that he can look at an image and tell within 2 minutes if it's 720p or not.

And if we're talking about games that run on low res, did ya know CoD4 runs on 600p?

Raidenex
05-03-2008, 02:27 PM
In answer to marvin- the reason why it still says 720p and 1080p on the case is because the game is upscaled from its native resolution to match your set res. All in all, it doesn't matter- it's a fantastic looking game on both consoles.

execrable gumwrapper
05-03-2008, 11:04 PM
Yay! GTA4 known to fuck up your system. Now mine freezes after only MINUTES of play. After beating the game once and getting halfway through again, this rather annoys me. I lost about 60 hours of play time.

Go R*...

DaKine
05-04-2008, 09:47 PM
Probably shouldn't be using GameShark then.

execrable gumwrapper
05-04-2008, 10:35 PM
Do Gamesharks exist for PS3? I'm unaware of them if they do.

Prak
05-08-2008, 09:42 PM
I took the plunge yesterday and bought a 360, as well as GTA4. My first-hand impressions are forthcoming if I manage to put down Mass Effect and the Orange Box down long enough to put it through its paces.

Misterio
05-08-2008, 10:47 PM
The game is fun. Somebody dents my ride in traffic I pull a gat shoot 'em through the windshield then their limp body falls face forward on the steeringwheel blasting the horn.

Sackboy
05-08-2008, 11:45 PM
I took the plunge yesterday and bought a 360, as well as GTA4. My first-hand impressions are forthcoming if I manage to put down Mass Effect and the Orange Box down long enough to put it through its paces.

I really need to get the Orange Box. However I've also been overwelmed with several games at the same time. My companion cube will have to wait.

Back to the topic, I'm enjoying GTA4. There are so many little things that make this game so loveable. I've had one freeze up when it was trying to load the game, but I think that new patch took care of it.

DaKine
05-09-2008, 04:26 AM
I really need to get the Orange Box.

Yes. Yes you do.

Sackboy
05-09-2008, 05:02 AM
Yes. Yes you do.

So are you suggesting that my companion cube can't wait? I held off on getting it because I was waiting for a patch for the PS3 version to fix the bugs, which they did come out with in March, but I've been procrastinating.

execrable gumwrapper
05-09-2008, 07:50 AM
TEAM FORTRESS 2 ZOMG


Fuck Portal...

Raidenex
05-09-2008, 08:25 AM
No one badmouths Portal. NO ONE.

J. Peterman
05-09-2008, 08:35 AM
I never played Portal because I hate FPS in general.

Bioshock is the only one I liked.

Aside from older ones like Doom and Heretic and Wolfenstein like way old back when I was like 4 or 5

I also hate what are known as Western RPGs.

I understand some of the games like Mass Effect and such are good but I just can't get into them.

I am more of an action jackson man myself.

execrable gumwrapper
05-09-2008, 06:07 PM
No one badmouths Portal. NO ONE.

Who's badmouthing? I am badtyping. ;)

Landlord of Sector 7
05-09-2008, 08:14 PM
i had same problem with ridiculous darkness on ps3 version, but changing the in-game display settings fixed it right up.



are you guys satisfied with the driving engine? i don't think i am...


that's seriously about the only bad thing i can say about the game right about now though. if you ask me, ign's 10/10 was well deserved.

Denny
05-09-2008, 08:32 PM
As far as the driving goes at first I really didn't like it. However, once you get used to the fact that you really need to pay more attention to handling rather than speed you settle into it. In some missions, unlike previous GTAs, I take corners slowly instead of just holding down accelerate and it pays off.

The driving is very different, yes, but different for the better imo.

Oh at at the moment I've only gotten to the second (top) island. Taking it slow. :)

Prak
05-09-2008, 08:42 PM
Well, I've played enough now to post some basic impressions.

As far as gameplay is concerned, I really can't think of anything to complain about. Everything works about as well as I could want it to, at least so far as I've played, with the single exception of camera control. I feel like it should makes more automatic adjustments than it does. I'll probably get the hang of working the camera constantly after I've played it some more, but it's a bit irritating at this point when I'm trying to get a car turned around and have to take it laboriously slowly because I'm having a hard time seeing what I might run into half a second later.

On a side note, this game has actually accomplished something I never EVER thought possible. I'm actually finding myself obeying the traffic laws as often as not, just because it feels novel that I can. I suspect it probably isn't quite as easy to control your speed in the PS3 version as the 360's triggers make it, so a lot of you may not have any idea what I'm talking about.

And speaking of differences between the consoles, what the hell is anyone doing poking at any sort of graphical issues? The game is beautiful. End of story. The pop-in I've seen (which isn't much) is limited to unimportant building textures and tall grass. Everything has a crisp look to it that stronger anti-aliasing would blur, which I would actually fault the PS3 version for (being the sort, like Raidenex, who turned off smoothing in SSBB) but that comes down to personal taste. As far as I can tell, there is no basis whatsoever for saying either version looks better than the other.

Also, it's nice to have a main character who is not a complete cunt for once.

Hynad
05-09-2008, 09:05 PM
Sure, Prak, the game looks quite good on both systems. That isn't the question at all.

The game runs at a smoother frame-rate on the PS3, and although you think the pop-ins are not annoying (to which I agree) the fact still stands that there are less of them on the PS3. As for the controls, having the chance to play it on both systems, I can say the triggers on the PS3 work just as good as on the 360.

I mentioned these little differences because I wanted to take the version that had the least flaws. Having both systems, I think it is justified that I would take that approach. But I would have been content no matter what version I had chose, since no matter those small details, the game is just marvelous.

Prak
05-09-2008, 09:18 PM
I don't see how you can say that about the framerate. I haven't seen a single hiccup from it yet. Of course, I have no intention of arguing something so obviously irrelevant, so don't consider your point challenged.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, a little bit more barely-noticeable pop-in is an easy trade for sharper textures. In a nutshell, I wouldn't call either version more flawed than the other, and I actually like the look of the 360 version more because of its clarity.

Sackboy
05-09-2008, 09:55 PM
The graphical difference are so minor I can't seem to understand why its even a big deal. Because at the end of the day, while your getting a lap dance or running over pedestrians while blood is splattering all over the road, who's actually turning off the system and saying, "THIS FUCKING GAME IS PISSING ME OFF! I HATE ALL THESE OCCASIONAL POP-UPS AND MINOR ANTI-ALIASING!!! DAMN YOU IGN FOR POINTING THEM OUT!!!"




Just sayin'. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a202/nine_fenrir/robot%20faces/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Hynad
05-09-2008, 09:56 PM
Prak, if you didn't see a single hiccup, you probably didn't play enough to notice it yet.

As for the other half of your comment, where did you get the chance to compare both versions side by side? Just wondering...


Marvin, as I mentioned a couple of times already, I only worried about those minor differences because I needed to choose which version of the game I was going to take.


Keep in mind that I didn't say yet what version I went for. :P

Prak
05-09-2008, 10:00 PM
I didn't compare them side-by-side. I just have a photographic memory for insignificant detail. Yes, I mean that. My visual memory is practically perfect, even if I do have a hard time remembering conversations from time to time. I saw the PS3 version the day after launch when I was at the home of a friend who has one.

Hynad
05-09-2008, 10:11 PM
Good thing you have that. I happen to have the same kind of photographic memory (good thing to put to use when you're an illustrator:P)

The texture quality is a bit better on the 360, there's no denying it. Not that's it really that worse on the PS3. You're not likely to notice the difference if you don't play on a really big set.

I compared both games at my dad's place using my 32" 1080p Sharp LCD and again both on a 51" 1080i Toshiba rear projection TV. They both looked as good on both sets as far as textures goes. The PS3 had darker colors that I thought made the game look more realistic in tone, while the 360 had brighter colors that really looked amazing when at dawn or dusk) The only time I could notice a real difference as far as textures go was during some close up of the faces during some cut-scenes. And that was only noticeable on the 51".

Then I plugged everything side by side using my Aquos and my dad's 32" Samsung and we both played with our respective copy of the game. And it was easy to notice the difference in frame rate (especially at high speed in the Algonquin part of the city... I didn't have access to the helicopters at the time).


Again, not telling what version I actually own. :P (which should be obvious, now that it's the second time I tease it. )

Denny
05-11-2008, 04:53 PM
For the record, I have it on the 360 and I think all this talk about minor differences is silly really. This differences, if any, are so minor you'd really need to be doing your best to look out for them. I've been playing it since the release date and I've come across no problems in the frame rate or otherwise.

It all just stinks of a fanboy type argument that really makes me rethink the industry I want to get into eventually. Jusy enjoy the game.

Hynad
05-11-2008, 06:57 PM
OK then. I'll say it once and for all, since Denny seems to think I come accross as a fanboy, I bought the 360 version of the game. My dad got it for the PS3, and that's it.

I took it for the 360 mainly because more friends of mine are going to play online on it, and I'll give it a try with the free month of Live bundled with it and see if I'll give the whole online gaming on Live a go or not.

I was going to buy it for the PS3 at first, but some friends of mine convinced me to get it for the 360. I don't regret my choice, but the details I pointed out are there and noticeable, even if they don't make the game any less enjoyable on the 360.


So that "fanboy type argument" thing is moot as far as I'm concerned.

Denny
05-11-2008, 10:11 PM
I don't think I called you a fanboy but OK.

Hynad
05-11-2008, 10:39 PM
You didn't imply it explicitely, so I wasn't sure if you pointed your remark towards me. That's why I responded the way I did up there.

KREAYSHAWN
05-11-2008, 10:44 PM
implying something explicitly would be complete nonsense, though.

...

Hynad
05-11-2008, 10:54 PM
Yeah, if you take the sentence that way.

But what I mean is that he implied that the argument about the versions' differences is a fanboy one, while not being explicit about who he was replying to. Since I'm one of the people who mentioned the differences between both version, I thought he was referring to me.

KREAYSHAWN
05-11-2008, 10:59 PM
i dont think there was anyone else he could have been addressing but okay!

J. Peterman
05-11-2008, 11:58 PM
XBOX 360 IS 10 MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN PS3

execrable gumwrapper
05-12-2008, 12:08 AM
FANBOY

Sackboy
05-12-2008, 08:45 AM
For the record, I have it on the 360 and I think all this talk about minor differences is silly really. This differences, if any, are so minor you'd really need to be doing your best to look out for them. I've been playing it since the release date and I've come across no problems in the frame rate or otherwise.

It all just stinks of a fanboy type argument that really makes me rethink the industry I want to get into eventually. Jusy enjoy the game.

qft.